Ana Matronic on Scissor Sisters, Fame & NYC Nightlife

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What happens when you let Enfanturible, now just terrible, Daniel Nardicio, off his leash to say and do whatever he wants?
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The man who has offended everyone is back.
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Along with my brother from another mother, Adam Klesh, we're back with our latest creation, Trigger Warning.
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A podcast that is not for the faint of heart.
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Prepare to be offended, enlightened, and highly entertained.
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Trigger Warning is not a safe space podcast, but answers the questions no one wants to ask.
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Serves deep in vodka and a dash of bitter.
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Each week we'll bring you the highest and lowest in NYC nightlife.
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So buckle up, you've been warned.
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What are you playing?
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So Josh, our um uh our missing uh producer sent me this because he knows I have an obsession with clowns, which is one of the reasons I love Jimbo, but I just love clowns in general.
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And this is a clown hotel that he says that you can stay at for, I don't know, a few hundred dollars a night.
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That sounds terrible.
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Oh, but I this music is so fucking creepy.
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I love it.
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It's not that it's creepy, it's that it's like warpy annoying.
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That's what I love about it.
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This is like what I hear at night when I think about my childhood.
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That's what I think about when I think about Painesville.
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Is this yeah, that is very Ohio.
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That is that is the soundtrack to northeastern Ohio.
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This is Paynesville, Ohio at like 2:35 in the morning when I was a kid.
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My drive home from Rockies after doing like karaoke.
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Oh my god, you and karaoke.
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Of course you did hallelujah.
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Hey, no, I don't even think that song was out yet.
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Um, you're watching and listening to Trigger Warning.
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Now live from the Ice Pals with our new set.
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This is wild.
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I want the lava lamp to work.
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I'm so used to you like aiming low and missing.
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And for you to not even underpromising and over-delivering, underpromising.
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You aim in the middle or low middle, and you go usually and I do aim for the middle of life.
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This took an hour to set up.
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I'm so impressed.
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Well, only because it was the first time.
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I think when I light a match, it'll take less time to take it down.
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And I think it'll take less time to set it up.
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I will say this, Josh.
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I am missing you.
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Never, yeah, Josh, never have I appreciated the work you do more.
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Um, if you watch trigger warning, like the angles are gonna be often different.
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I have no idea what's going on.
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But also, you gotta fucking you would look at it.
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How long do these take to work?
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It's working actually.
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It's working.
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Yeah, it's uh what's it called?
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Lava lamp.
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Yeah, it's a lava lamp.
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Lava impression.
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Maybe it doesn't have enough wattage.
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I just never know with you.
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Like, I never know with you what you're gonna excel at and what you're gonna like fall flat.
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I never know.
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You know, when it comes to the ice palace, it's full go for me.
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I like the ice palace.
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Go, like meaning you're not here.
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On my way to Berlin.
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It's full go away.
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By the way, I have to say, uh, the we're gonna have our guest on in a few minutes, but I want to say last.
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Who I'm so excited for speaking of the ice palace.
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Totally.
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I've been wanting to have her as a guest for a while, but we wanted to wait for the right moment when we actually had listeners.
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By the way, someone came up to me last night while I was standing by the DJ booth and said, I fucking love your podcast.
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He lives in LA.
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And he was like, I listened to it.
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Of course, he was like, I love hearing Adam's voice in my ears while I'm walking through Runyon Canyon or whatever.
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Listener, why don't you write in and tell me whose voice you love listening to it?
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Yeah.
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I mean, he's easier on the eyes, but I think I'm better to listen to.
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You were way easier on the eyes.
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But you come up with those Oh totally.
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That's what I love.
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Like caliper legions.
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Ooh.
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You know, um, no, you uh you're easier on the eyes.
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You know who's got good words?
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Our guest has good words today.
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I won't really say that.
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Oh, totally.
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I totally.
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She's incredible.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um, I love, by the way, we're both wearing weird pants.
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I'm wearing the um, what's weird about my pants?
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What you're wearing, I dream of Weenie is what I call those.
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You know what's funny?
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These are like Japanese engineer pants that are actually like really kind of fat and whatnot.
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Uh-huh.
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And the first time I got them was last year.
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And I was like walking around feeling myself.
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You're like, oh, cute pants.
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Thanks.
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Everyone told me they were cute.
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When you're hooking up the jenny.
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But then I had to come over here.
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They always make fun of him because he always says, instead of generator, he says the jenny.
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And when the genie's hooking up the jenny.
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But no, so I was like, oh, everyone's complimenting these pants.
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I don't want to ruin them.
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And I had to come over here, and we always walk through the rack, and it can get muddy and thorns and whatnot.
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So he tucked him into these boots.
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And when I got to the other side, a lesbian whose fashion I I um enjoy was like, work that look.
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And I was like, Really?
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Wait a minute, let's go back.
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What lesbian?
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Uh her name's Molly.
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Okay.
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You know Molly?
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Molly's a fierce little bitch.
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Oh, Molly from we used to work at Sandcastle.
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I love Molly.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I just love her swagger, and I'm not saying she's coming in like it's a Met Gala, but I mean she's got a she's got a vibe.
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She's totally got a vibe.
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I love Molly.
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She's great.
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Um, I love um the whole staff at Sandcastle is so great.
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I love the orchid over your shoulder.
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It's really so bizarre to me that you did this.
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I love it.
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Literally, I have to go back to the city and do a party.
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We did the underwear party last night.
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Which was a banger.
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Which is our guests spun and opened the season.
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Yes, she spun, and we're gonna talk about her in a minute.
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I can't wait.
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And then you gotta go into the city and do Devil Wears Nada.
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Devil Wears Nada tonight.
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Which I have to do with you.
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We have to do another podcast.
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We have to do another podcast.
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With one of our set it all up.
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I gotta set it all up.
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Doesn't look like this.
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Does not look like this.
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Are we doing a visual?
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I won't even be wearing my genie pants.
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Are you gonna be naked?
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I don't know if we'll do a visual.
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Because I think everyone's gonna be in their their God givens, right?
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Yeah, probably, yeah.
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That's a good point, yeah.
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Devil Wears Nada, yeah.
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By the way, everyone is stealing the name Devil Wears Nada now because the film came out.
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First of all, everyone keep sending me all these things.
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Everyone is stealing the names of everything we do.
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Winter Party had an after hours.
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I used to do a party with Guy Smith and Roberto Montenegro in Brooklyn called Body Shop.
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And they, and it's all like trucker themed, and blah blah blah.
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Winter Party also did a party called Truck Stop.
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And now uh Paul Nichols in Los Angeles, who's like a West Hollywood promoter, which is like which is totally yeah, is now doing Devil Where's Nada.
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You know what's weird about it?
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I'm not I don't even know, I'm not sure if they even heard of the one that I do, but like it it's always so weird to me because I think to myself, like I just always try to think of something like original, right?
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And then like you see stuff where people just kind of like don't even think about it.
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It's just always is weird for me because like I kind of pride myself on not copying anyone.
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Once in a while.
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Oh, by the way, Stella came up with Devil Wars Nada.
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We love that Stella, but she didn't do a party, so I like it.
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And she's also never attended.
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Can you imagine?
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With those big old knockers swinging around, those flapjack.
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Oh, another bottle of water and just flapping them up on the bar.
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She's our listener, by the way.
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When we describe the listeners, we have when we say listener, we're talking to Stella.
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Actually, Jason's also a listener.
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By the way, we have a lot of listeners.
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I just kind of joke around about it.
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But um, yeah, anyway.
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Um speaking of um listeners, how do I describe it?
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Are you going into an intro for our guest?
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Is that what's happening?
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Okay, I thought you were stroking out.
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No, speaking of I don't even know.
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I mean, this is the weird thing about our guest today, because she's uh multifaceted.
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Like, and I'm really fascinated by her because she could be a superstar.
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She could, you know, she could do a million things.
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And um, I'm fascinated by how she chose where she's going and what her decisions were.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Because I think it's always like a happy life decision, is what I've what I get from our guests.
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Because we hang out a lot.
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I'm very fortunate to have our our guest in my life a lot.
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I love that we keep talking about it.
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No one's gonna talk about it.
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Well, you know what really gets me, and I mean I'll I'll praise her when she comes out of the green room.
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Uh her level of intelligence, like this, like this library of knowledge that she carries around with her, yeah, is wild.
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It's it's it's it's also like um she has a nickname I'm gonna get to when she gets it.
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It's like um, it's like gay uh, you know, encyclopedia.
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It's queerdo.
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Queirdo, yeah, totally.
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So should we bring her on?
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Do you want to?
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Yeah, we might as well.
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I mean, do you want to take a break or you just want to bring her on?
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Let's bring let's take a break real quick.
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All right, right back at the time.
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You'll be right back at Trigger Warning.
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Listening, Trigger Warning.
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Years ago, I went into a party at Slipper Room.
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It was called Knockoff.
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Okay.
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And I saw someone perform I'll be your mirror from Nico.
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And I this is so weird.
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I don't say this very often.
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I'm not like someone who's like, you know, I had a premonition that person is going to be famous.
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Don't touch my knobs.
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You don't know what you're doing over here.
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I know.
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I was just like, you just gave Anna more, and she just asked for a little juice.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I just gave away.
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I guess for the listener.
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Anyway, sorry, you're at knockoff.
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You're at knockoff.
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I'm in the slipper room, and and I saw her perform I'll be your mirror from um Nico, and I was like, that person's gonna be famous.
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And I kid you not, a couple years later, um, Sweetie says, I'm working with this band, and I would love to book them for you know, high life, low life.
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And lo and behold, it was for the low life part.
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It was for the high life.
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Yeah, it was totally anyway.
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Let's and I saw her there.
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I've known her for God, it's been a quarter of a century practically.
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Anyway, I'm so excited to have you here.
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I love her so much, ladies and gentlemen, animatronic.
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That's what you gave.
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No, I wanted this one, but I accidentally.
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So this is actually Patty Lapone.
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That's Patty's here.
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Yeah.
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Hi Anna.
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Hi.
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Every podcast we talk about Patty Lapone.
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I was there.
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I saw her.
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I actually have a Patty Lepone impersonation from that night.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Really?
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You want to do it right now?
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Are we putting you on the spot?
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Uh I I need a hat.
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Oh, I've got a hat for you.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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While you do that, uh while you get that, I'll do mine of her.
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Okay, great.
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Don't put me in a bad mood.
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She said in the uh the green room.
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And I don't blame her because we were trying to get a photo, like, you know, in the back in the green room, and um she was like sitting there getting ready to go out on stage, and she was like, Don't put me in a bad mood.
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And that was like really intense.
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But other than that, she was incredibly I mean, I love her.
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Oh, she's amazing.
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I mean, you know.
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This is my Patty Lapone presentation.
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And scene.
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Meanwhile, you know that she nailed it.
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You know that she knew the song she was gonna do.
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Of course.
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Incredible.
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I love she kept pulling songs out, and she was like, this is from a show I was in.
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Yeah.
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Always.
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It's like, well, I was in this show with Steven Son Tom.
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And then and you know, and then the story goes, and then the song goes, and it's amazing.
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And you're, you know, you drink up every moment.
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And uh she's utterly entertaining.
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You know, she knows what she's doing.
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Phone book.
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Give her a phone book, she'll sing it, I'll watch it.
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The best is when Jeff Eason tried to come in and get a photo right before the show.
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That was the impersonation you were doing, and then the actual quote that I love, she's like, Come on, guys, it's showtime.
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Yeah, totally.
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Love that.
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Liza, when I have Liza here with Alan, I'll never forget this.
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Like Alan was singing around.
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Were you here for that too?
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I was not.
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Okay.
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I missed that.
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You were here though for uh Carol.
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I was here the very first time I came to Fire Island was 2013 when Justin Vivian Bond and Carol Channing were performing together.
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And I'm not much of a Broadway person, but I am a massive Carol Channing fan.
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I remember that, yeah.
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Yeah.
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How could you not be?
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Oh, how could you not be?
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And at the end, I was one of six people in the crowd in tears, in absolute bits, in bits.
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When she does that monologue.
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Oh God, I died.
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And and uh and the the she she she goes to leave and then she turns back around and takes another bow.
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And and there were this the like six of us were still like in our seats when and everybody else is filing out and we're just looking at each other, going, right?
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Right?
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Oh my god, right?
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And then I got to meet her, which was it was a moment, yeah.
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It was incredible.
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You know the story, you know the story about that, right?
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But right before um I love Carol Channing, but I also know that she's uh a cunning stage animal, is what I would call her.
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Cunning stage animal, yes.
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You know with the story about this?
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So uh the chairs, there were two chairs here.
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You know this, right?
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Yes, there were two chairs on stage, and during the Justin Vivian Bond went on for uh half an hour, 45 minutes and did a set.
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And then it was Carol coming out to like rapturous applause, and then she was gonna do like a QA with Viv and then you know maybe do a song or whatever.
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And right we're backstage, and right before she comes out, she says, um, boss man, which I just I mean I melt.
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I mean Carol Channing calling me.
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She worked with David Merrick anyway.
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She said, Do me a favor, would you move she said his, she missed you know, whatever, uh, his chair downstage about five feet.
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And I was like, What?
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She had me move Viv's chair downstage five feet so that Viv had to turn around around the entire show.
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But Carol could just sit here like sit there right dead of now.
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That's a professional woman.
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And then I had to tell Viv.
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I was like, by the way, just so you know that Carol had me chair.
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I'm not gonna not Carol Channing could tell me to do anything and I would do it.
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And then the show went on, and and um, and uh Viv said, Um yeah, by the way, Carol, I noticed that you had the chair moved down so that everyone just sees the back of my head.
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And Carol Channing said, Well, it is your best feature.
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I had a girl.
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Oh no.
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No, there it is.
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That's what I was looking for.
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I need to label these.
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I know totally.
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This is my take on that whole thing, and I'm sorry, I know we're we're off on a tangent.
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We'll get to Anna.
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We have so much to talk to you about.
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You're talking about Carol Channing.
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Carry on.
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What I what I what I feel like A legend knows a legend.
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People like her, um, she had to claw and fight her way to get to where she was.
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And they learned how to do it.
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And some were like Dolly, and they kind of like made this sort of persona and it was big tits.
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I mean, Anna, you'd agree, it's like most women in the industry have to claw their way.
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It's unfortunate, but it's the truth, right?
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I mean, there's not a woman in the industry that has it easy, right?
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Well, especially that age, that age.
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Yeah.
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She'd uh, you know, this would be a good thing.
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All of them that came up when they were like 17, 18, you know, and then it's well, and imagine it's starting from what Judy Garland on.
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Hello Dolly was written for her.
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Barbara Streisand played her in the in the film.
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Uh Gentlemen Prefer Blondes.
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She was Marilyn Monroe's character.
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Uh, and was it Gentlemen Prefer Blondes or How to Marry a Millionaire?
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Uh she was Marilyn Monroe's character on stage.
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They brought Marilyn Monroe to the show to see Carol Channing.
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Jesus.
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And then cast her in Carol Channing's role in the film.
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So This is the knowledge I'm talking about.
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We call her Anipedia.
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So imagine, well, and this was another masterful piece of shade from Carol in that show.
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She talked about them bringing uh Marilyn Monroe to watch Carol Channing do the role to teach her how to be funny.
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Because Marilyn, Marilyn famously was not a social butterfly, like holding a room funny person.
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No, I heard she was like the cover girl, and then in Norma Jean was just this kind of Elton said that he would walk down the street with her and she'd go, What you want to see her?
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And she would turn like internally turn a button and like all of a sudden walk down the street and people would notice her.
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Wow.
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She had that thing where she could just be like, I'm gonna her posture, yeah, yeah.
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But anyway, um, that was the first time that you came to the island.
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And I have to say, like um that was one of the first times we really kind of hung out.
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Um, I obviously we worked together a little bit before when you were with the scissors.
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Um we did one of one of the first underwear parties on John Street.
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I remember Oh my god, I remember those.
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2002, maybe?
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Yeah, somewhere.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
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Oh my god, I remember that.
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Did you did you do the the spa parties too, Anna?
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When they were like, what was that?
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Was it done on Gold Street that you did like those weird Russian?
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No, no, no, Scissors never did that.
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I did have Viv do that one time though, yeah.
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But um no scissors uh never did that.
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They did the um Highlight Love Life in Sweetie.
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And uh but what famously would I one of my favorite stories about the scissors and uh was when I had them open for Margarita Prakaton because I thought it was funny at Joe's pub.
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So me, this they weren't that.
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You do a lot of things because you think it's funny, but you're the only one in on the gym.
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Oh, I thought it was funny, I thought it was funny.
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They were hilarious.
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Yeah, they weren't big yet, so it wasn't like I was being, but I thought it was also kind of funny because Margarita Praqueton was like a novelty act.
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Yeah, and here they're so amazing, and um, and that was a fun night at Joe's pub.
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That was amazing.
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I'm so glad that you brought us there because I I probably would have never seen her otherwise.
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And wow.
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Yeah, she was a trip.
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You also did Sweetie stuff.
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Um, you did um what was her party?
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Um the slide?
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The slide, uh, high life, low life.
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But we also did something in the West Village.
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She did something near Gen C60.
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Star Tartare.
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That was I mean, I never went, but the stories Sweetie used to tell about Star Tartar and I went.
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Yeah, on the I did go.
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I remember this now.
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It was like in the meat packing, it was just right on the West Village meat packing where it used to be.
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Yeah, it was like a more like a sex club by you know, day to day.
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And then it was like a cruising joint, like no wheel sound system, no nothing.
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Yeah, it was like a kind of a It was like year one at the Ice Palace.
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It was just like two Mackeys facing outward, turned to 12.
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Totally, totally.
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No, totally.
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But it was that's not for Austin.
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Derek Austin told us exactly what we needed.
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We just couldn't cut the check yet.
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Yeah, but then it like you know, then the weird thing was is that I knew them, you know, obviously a little bit, and we worked together a few shows and stuff, and then all of a sudden it was like one of those things that um you experience once in a while with your friends.
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Boom.
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All of a sudden it was like they're internationally famous.
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It was the wildest thing for me.
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Well, you guys hit in the UK first, right?
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Yes, yeah, totally, yeah.
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We signed our record deal in the UK.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like most big things in the UK.
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To this day, it's really the UK is where you would be better known, right?
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Yes, yeah, yes.
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By the way, last night I was.
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I mean, well known Virgin Radio.
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Virgin Radio Star.
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Yes.
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We were on the BBC for a while.
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Yes, I was on uh I had I had a show on BBC Radio 2 for five years, and I did a lot of work for the BBC um starting in 2013 with the Eurovision Song Contest.
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Oh doing the semifinals.
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How do I love Eurovision song contest?
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Oh, I love Eurovision in the States, and I I had one of my best, best lines.
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The host was wearing this god-awful dress that it was like a mullet dress where it was short in the in the front and long in the back.
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And um, and it was uh it was like velvet and the the but the underskirt was ruched satin.
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And so it I said, uh gosh, is is that how is the host gonna wear that dress for the rest of the night?
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Because I sure hope not.
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I feel like I'm in an open casket funeral for her legs.
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It was really good.
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Because now all I can see is the satin inside of a coffin.
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Yeah, you should just like it.
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I love ruched.
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I heard that word for the first time.
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Oh, I love a ruch.
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I heard ruched, really?
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Yeah, for the first time.
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Like, I think five years ago, my friend's my friend Maddie is uh he's like a just a designer extravagant one.
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I think you know Maddie and Andy.
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And he was like, I love this blouse I'm wearing, but this this ruching in the center just isn't framing my deglotage properly.
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I was like, Juge and Deglotage.
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I was like, yeah, let me juge a rouche.
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Let me juge a rouche.
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So uh you know good to go back to your ascent, um everything took off for you.
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Um uh I always get the feeling with our friendship and our working together that there are obviously uh great things about stardom and being in that world, right?
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But I think we both can agree that like that world is a double-edged sword.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I feel like with you in the time I obviously we've talked, I'm not gonna give up anything we've talked about privately, but like you had that thing that so many people want.
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And you kind of walked away from it.
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And why and you don't have to give like detailed details about like you know, people, but I'm not talking about like friendships or relationships or bandmates or whatever.
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I'm talking about the fame thing.
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Oh yeah.
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You look you you could ostensibly right now kind of parlay into something, you know, but but I don't ever really see you doing that.
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No.
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I don't want that because I've had a taste of it and it's uh it makes me deeply uncomfortable.
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Um is it like the life is not your own?
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Is it the way people are treated?
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Is the direct the way people treat me?
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Um it's so I call it I call it uh upward dehumanization.
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So it's like it's like deification, but it's still like it's still I I don't want to be treated like a goddess or any of that.
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And we do that to celebrities.
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I remember seeing once like a thing on social media.
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Is David Bowie a god?
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No, he's a man.
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No.
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Um I mean I'd worship him, but yeah.
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Yeah, I I my relationship to star uh to stardom and to fandom really changed once uh things got big for the band.
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Um I never but and I never really wanted that level.
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I was never never really um interested in stardom and and in fame.
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Um I my idol and my sort of you know, North Star, muse-wise, creatively, is Anne Magnuson.
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And like who, you know, like barely barely anyone from our generation knows Anne Magnuson and uh nobody younger than us knows Anne Magnuson, and that's a goddamn shame.
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Yeah, no, totally, yeah.
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But I also don't think she wanted that big thing.
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I you know Well, I I mean I think I I don't you'd have to ask her, um, and I'd love to.
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Um she she acted in huge, huge films.
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She was in also in you know, she was in um The Hunger.
00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:14.319
Yeah, she was in tons of stuff, you know Frasier.
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I mean, she was in everything.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Clear and present danger.
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She was in glitter, yeah.
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She was in glitter, she was in Panic Room.
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Yeah, she was the real estate agent in Panic Room.
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She was on Picard.
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Yeah.
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Oh, Picard's another great show.
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Ann Magnuson is super cool, but she also maybe has that fame where she is happy.
00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:47.359
You know, John Waters says that like he has the kind of fame that you want, which is when he comes off the boat here on Fire Island, maybe one of like every ten people recognizes him.
00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:48.319
Yeah.
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Because he's a cult.
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But he's famous enough to fill a room and do what he wants to do, but he's not like, you know, yeah mega famous, which is annoying.
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And you guys were mega famous for a while.
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In the UK.
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But you were doing arena tours in Europe, you know, like filling 20,000, 30,000 seats is is mega famous.
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18.
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Okay.
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18, 20,000.
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Yeah, 20,000.
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I have a problem getting 18 people into my living room.
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:20.319
So do I, trust me.
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But not your bedroom.
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Um sold-out show.
00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:29.359
You know, it's interesting because years ago when uh Kylie came out with Time Bomb, you know, the song.
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I remember that her uh people that gave us a bunch of time bomb crap to throw out here.
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Swag, I think they call it.
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No.
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Or crap.
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Excuse me.
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They were like, you know, she really wants to break America.
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And I always thought that was so interesting because I was like, yeah, Kylie had that kind of amazing.
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Do you mean break into America?
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Break America.
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Well, break America.
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Yeah, break into America.
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Trump's breaking America.
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She had that kind of fame that like I thought was really amazing.
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I remember hearing a story where Kylie would uh was in LA and she was dating that that actor, Olivier uh oh yeah, yeah, that French actor, really hot, and she went to go buy uh a apartment or a house or something, and the realtor was like, You need to get pre-approved.
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:11.119
And she was like, I'm Kylie Monogue.
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:12.559
I'm Kylie fucking Minogue, isn't it?
00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:13.519
Kylie Minogue.
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.319
And the realtor's like, I don't know that, you know, and it was just so interesting.
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:18.400
She's like, do the locomotion, bitch.
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:19.200
Give me the house.
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:22.000
She's Madonna in most of the world, right?
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:22.400
Oh yeah.
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:23.839
And and but she's not, you know.
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:26.319
So any, well, yeah, no, but you know what I mean.
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:33.200
I love I love Kylie, but my point is that she's got this kind of like they wanted to break America, her people.
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:33.440
Yeah.
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.759
And I think Padom did it, weirdly, for her.
00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:42.799
Yeah, I mean, you're talking in like the in the like large general consensus, right?
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:45.519
Because like she had broken the gays in America well, well before.
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:54.720
Yeah, but the gays are really such a small, you know, she couldn't fill high uh Hammerstein like three nights before, but now she's like doing big things because of Padom.
00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:55.920
It's interesting.
00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:57.440
I'm fascinated by that.
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:04.160
But I love that kind of fame when you're famous in England because you can Britain.
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:05.279
The United Kingdom.
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:15.359
The United Kingdom and Ireland of Northern Ireland because you can walk the streets in New York and be relatively but let's fast forward to today's gonna do.
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:15.839
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:19.759
You opened up the uh D World Famous Underwear Party last night.
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:20.400
I did.
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.960
You killed it, you fucking smashed it last night.
00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:25.279
Thank you.
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:26.720
Thank you.
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:28.559
I'm so excited for the rest of the season.
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:33.759
Daniel's put in this nice rotation of DJs and it's so weird because it's so cold, it was so cold last night.
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:35.839
Yeah, I was like, oh my god, I don't even want to go out.
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.480
But I was kind of like when I got in here, it was a really great vibe.
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:52.799
Yeah, I uh have been coming to the underwear party for as long as I've been coming to Fire Island, and I love it, and I love Johnny Dynell and I love Corey Craig.
00:27:52.960 --> 00:28:01.839
Um, and when I got the chance to play the underwear party, I thought, what is my niche?
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:12.319
Because Johnny and Corey have theirs, and I can't I can't you need to play pop, you need to play house, you need to play disco.
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:13.839
We got those unlocked.
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:14.000
Right.
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:23.119
But I thought if I'm being honest, the underwear party needs 100% more hoe tracks.
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:23.920
Yes.
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:30.160
We need I want to see slutty bogue twerking in their panties.
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:30.799
Yeah, exactly.
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:41.039
I was like, and so I I have taken it upon myself to be the brat ho of the DJ roster.
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:41.599
I live.
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.039
So that's my goal.
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:45.119
Well, it it was achieved last night.
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:52.480
I was walking in and I was slut that song called Um From Head to Toe, uh Sweat Through All My Clothes.
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:54.559
Oh yeah, disco tits, Tovlow.
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.160
I was like, oh my god, you said four words.
00:28:58.240 --> 00:28:58.799
She's like, yeah, that's true.
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:01.119
And it's such a fucking sexy track.
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:10.000
Now, and and that is part of my part of my MO for Underwear Party is does it make me want to fuck?
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.759
If the song makes me want to fuck, it goes in the set.
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:30.000
And and um, and of course, you want those pop moments and those hands in the air, everybody singing along, those sorts of things, but it I want it to be sexy.
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:30.400
Right.
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.119
And that's why you used to love like Avenue D, right?
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:38.480
Like guess I just put them in the set for next time.
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:40.960
Yeah, totally.
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.119
And it was just that kind of like, you know.
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:44.000
Shut up.
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:44.799
Yeah, exactly.
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.240
Like that kind of like just because I'll fuck you doesn't mean I'll dance with you.
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:48.960
That kind of vibe.
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:49.680
So amazing.
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:54.400
And like last night, the one, two, three, four, scream if you want some more.
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.440
I'm like, uh, push it, push it, watch me work it.
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:58.160
I'm perfect.
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:00.319
It's just so kids were loose and love it.
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:01.200
But they love it.
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:05.759
Love it because they're in here and they're twisted, and like you you so get the assignment of what the underwear party is.
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:14.000
It's like it's people are in their underwear, so they're already cutting it loose, and they just want stupid slut tracks to be drunk and high.
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:26.559
I agree with you, but the problem with the underwear party, and historically speaking, is I've had DJs that went really dark, like peaches, like kind of like you know, you know, fucked, you know, and then it becomes a sex party.
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.000
And the whole thing, what I love about that party and greeting, it's a meet and greet event.
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.240
You know, it's like it's a dance party.
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:43.920
Yeah, it's like, you know, when you have a thousand people in this room, which you know, we can fit, yeah, um, then you know, really 700 are dancing, and 300 are doing whatever they're doing.
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:48.160
But like there's a hundred doing meet and greet, there's a hundred in a bathroom line, there's a hundred at the bars.
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:49.039
Yeah, and that's what they love.
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:56.640
But the problem I've had in the past is when people go like not dancey sexy, but like, you know what I mean?
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:58.079
They go to, you know.
00:30:58.319 --> 00:30:58.480
Yeah.
00:30:58.640 --> 00:30:59.440
We've talked about this.
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.799
And that's the trick is I want to keep it like happy and fun, but sexy.
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:05.200
You can't get too like vibey, you know.
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:14.079
My whole thing is play when they know, when they don't know, when they know, when they don't know, when they know, when they don't know, and keep coming back to the things that they know.
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:21.359
And and I I think we can trust the trust the audience a little bit more.
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:22.480
I try to.
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:31.599
And I dropped some experiments in my set last night, and I'm really happy to say that they all fucking worked, yeah, which was great.
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:32.720
You're very happy at the end.
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:33.920
You're like, it all worked.
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:36.400
It all worked, and like I'm gonna do it.
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:38.640
My knees, my knees and my hips plays.
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:40.559
What?
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:45.519
Like, I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna throw this in because twigs is huge.
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:50.319
But that's like something we listen to when we're having dinner at Yorin Seth's house, and we're all like into it.
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:52.880
But there's like six of us who are like into that.
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.319
She dropped it for these random underwear kits.
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.039
Everyone was like just killed.
00:31:59.279 --> 00:31:59.599
Yeah, it was.
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:03.039
And it's a and you know, it's a remix and it sounded great.
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:10.319
And I I mixed out of it into Rihanna, only girl in the world, which was fucking great.
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:20.240
And so it I was really happy that all of my all of my sort of experiments where I was like, oh, is this too hard for the underwear party?
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:31.279
But my whole thing is once you go hard, you you you you start to take the pressure off with uh with something uh you know, fun, sexy and up being.
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.039
Yeah, my whole thing is as long as it's happy.
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:41.519
I don't care as long as it's happy because it's like Friday and we're also you know dealing with um question I have um I have two questions.
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:47.359
Uh one is how did you go from animatronic to DJing?
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:54.640
And the second question is last night I thought it was interesting in all the times that we've worked together, you threw on your most famous track.
00:32:55.440 --> 00:33:01.759
And I was really surprised because I well, I've seen you do it at Sam's wedding, and I've seen you do it here once.
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:02.319
Yeah.
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:06.160
But uh it's one of those things that I was standing next to.
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:07.839
It's such a good fucking track.
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:13.039
It was a banger for an entire summer, and Sakuita was the one that played it for me first.
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.200
She performed it, and I was like, oh my god, I love that track.
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:16.640
She's like, It's a sister's sister.
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:18.640
Oh my god, I know the anyway.
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:20.160
Um, it's that's a kiki.
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.799
But my point, it's other listener viewers.
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.279
But the point is, is I've not really seen you.
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:26.640
It's happening.
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:27.119
Sorry.
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:28.400
Play it.
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:36.640
And what was so interesting to me is I was sitting next to this guy and he goes, Um we're talking, and I was dancing.
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:37.759
He goes, You really like this song?
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.640
I was like, Yeah, because that's her song and she's my friend.
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:41.200
Yeah.
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:42.319
He goes, What?
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:43.599
Yeah, I love it when people are.
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:48.160
But that's you.
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:49.200
And he goes, What?
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:51.680
And then he puts his phone out and he goes, This is iconic.
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:53.519
And I thought it's like you just figured it out.
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.000
From not knowing to this is iconic.
00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:57.039
Iconic.
00:33:57.279 --> 00:33:57.599
Yeah.
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:01.359
What is your relationship to, first of all, how did you get into DJing?
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:03.200
And is what is your relationship to that track?
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:06.240
I think you were a DJ before you were animatronic.
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:07.759
Well, you've always loved music.
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:08.320
Yeah.
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:08.559
Yeah.
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:08.800
Yeah.
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:09.760
And gay culture.
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:10.639
We're gonna get to that soon.
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:10.960
Yeah.
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:18.079
I mean, I I started DJing in my bedroom because I used to make mixtapes for my mom.
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:36.400
My mom was a paint, my mom was a painter, and she liked to listen to she either liked to have the home shopping network on, just like noise in the background, or she liked to listen to really high-energy Motown and Stacks like RB from the from the 60s.
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:42.639
Um, and she didn't want to hear ballads, so she wanted all the bangers.
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:46.880
So Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett, Jackie Wilson, all of those.
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:48.719
Um, Jackie Wilson.
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:49.360
I know, yeah.
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.199
Um that's the one.
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:51.840
That's the one.
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:53.440
My mom loves that song.
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.719
And so uh Mitch Ryder in the Detroit Wheels.
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.159
You know, Devil Devil in a blue dress.
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:01.840
Muddy Waters.
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.480
Muddy Waters in Bo Diddley.
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:10.320
And um, and so that what I I started making mixtapes for my mom.
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:12.960
I made mixtapes for my friends, all that.
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:18.639
And then I started DJing before I was in Scissor Sisters, and it was just like rock and roll DJing.
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:27.760
You know, I did it in in uh like East Village, like yeah, and I I mean I did it in San Francisco at fetish parties with like two CD players, like going from one to another.
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:33.360
If you want a good sex party DJ, uh Avatronics a good sex party.
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:38.719
Um that was one of the best texts I've ever gotten.
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:48.639
Was at a at a I'm at a gig, I'm playing at 5 HTP on the beach, and then I get this text from Adam, and then this unknown number.
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:51.599
Hey guys, I think Anna is a great sex party DJ.
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:56.239
I got this text from these boys that we're just like they ran out of the treehouse.
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.519
They're like, we're thinking of throwing like an open door orgy tonight.
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.119
Like, you know anybody that can DJ?
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:03.039
And I was like, let me just group these people in now.
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:06.079
So everybody was like, hey guys, uh, this is Anna's number.
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:07.920
I think she's a great sex party DJ.
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:09.199
No, you didn't say that.
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.559
You just said, hey guys, I think Anna's a great sex party DJ.
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:13.599
No introduction.
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:14.719
That's it.
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.920
And I'm just like Because you were doing you were doing flag it.
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:18.559
Yes, I think.
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:22.000
You were doing flag it here, and Anna basically made this.
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:28.480
We'll get into it, hopefully, but like she made the legendary Ice Palace feel like a San Francisco cruising bar.
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:30.400
Well, that's what I actually want to talk about in a few minutes.
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:33.679
I'm gonna we're gonna come back in a minute, but I want to talk about your break?
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:41.440
Your yes, I want to talk about your relationship to the Ice Palace because you like me, we have very different relationships, but it's it runs deep.
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:41.840
Yes.
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:43.679
So we're gonna take a break.
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We'll be right back in just a moment.
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You're listening to Trigger Warning.
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:51.119
Welcome back to Trigger Warning.
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We're here with Animatronic.
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I'm Adam Flesh.
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:54.079
Hi.
00:36:54.480 --> 00:37:09.440
So now we know a little bit about your history with DJing and music, your love of music, but I'm also really fascinated by your history in terms of gay history as a cis woman, yes, who is arguably as gay as I am.
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:10.159
Yes.
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:20.559
Who also parenthetically has the gayest anthem that the gayest, you know, let's have a kiki, which which is what I wanted to mention before.
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:24.559
What is your relationship to this song?
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:30.639
Like, you know, Jennifer Holliday has, and I'm telling you, Donna Summer has, you know, uh all of the Donna Summer songs.
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:32.960
Yeah, I was gonna say more than one.
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:34.079
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:36.320
Actually, there's a lot of I love her.
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.000
I actually saw her live and she was incredible.
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:40.480
But anyway, Donna Summer has State of Independence.
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:41.360
I'm just kidding.
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:42.800
I'm just kidding.
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:43.679
Joking.
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:45.599
But I fucking love that song.
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:48.800
Um you wrote it, right?
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:49.519
Kiki?
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:50.159
Yeah.
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.719
I wrote it with with Jake and Baby Daddy, yes.
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:53.280
Yes.
00:37:53.440 --> 00:38:01.199
I the the and probably one of my proudest lines ever is bid adieu to your ennui, let's have a kiki.
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:05.599
That I just yeah, shave that lid and will I bid adieu to your ennui.
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:07.280
It's such a banger.
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:08.400
It's such a great song.
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:14.719
And last night I was so happy to see you embrace it, you know, because I've never not embraced it.
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:15.679
I know I love it.
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:17.039
I love let's have a kiki.
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.320
I've never felt like, but you don't really play it that often, which I guess.
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:21.039
Yes, I do.
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:23.920
I play I play it at almost every single set.
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:25.440
Every set she has, she plays it.
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:25.760
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:26.320
Yeah.
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:26.800
Yeah.
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:28.480
Almost every single set.
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:29.840
I can't correct it.
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:30.239
I'm sorry.
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:31.199
Sometimes you sneak in.
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:32.559
And here's why.
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:33.039
Yeah.
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:44.400
Because gays who come see me have a fantasy of dancing to Let's Have a Kiki DJ'd by me.
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:45.119
Usually.
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:45.599
Yeah.
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:47.519
They want that's the song they want to hear.
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:54.320
If they come see animatronic, they want to see animatronic either sing or spin let's have a kiki.
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:56.000
It's it's the thing.
00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:13.679
And every single performer, every performer, every musician, everyone who's working wishes and works and hopes and dreams for a let's have a kiki.
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:15.280
That's exactly what I meant.
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:15.599
Yeah.
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:23.920
And I will always put money in every single performer I see in the subway.
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:25.199
I will give them money.
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:27.360
I will Venmo them if I see their thing.
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:28.639
The buskers, I love the bus.
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:29.360
Always.
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:31.119
Always.
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:35.920
Because those people would kill for Let's Have a Kiki.
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:37.199
Absolutely.
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:38.480
And so that's your relationship.
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:41.199
One of them just won an Oscar.
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:47.760
Um, the the the New York City busker who ended up being the um the blues guitarist in Sinners.
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:48.559
Oh yeah.
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:51.599
Oh god, and what an amazing voice he has.
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:52.960
I feel terrible.
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:54.400
I can't remember his name right now.
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:55.760
I'm blanking on it as well.
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:57.280
He was amazing, wonderful.
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:00.559
And he used to play at 42nd Street, which is where I always get off to go to Red Eye.
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:16.480
So, like there was this amazing man uh who used to busk in the subway with a he would play a bass that was a broom handle on um on an upside-down wash basin with like a like a jug band base.
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:18.079
Like a jug band bass.
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:20.480
And it he was incredible.
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:21.920
He was incredible.
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:32.559
And then another time I was on a crowded six train and this man, and this was way before scissors, this is when I was working, I think, at Estee Lauder.
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.880
And like at the like at a makeup counter?
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:37.440
No, no.
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:41.760
I worked, I worked in the um international fragrance division.
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:43.519
Um we love our stinks.
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:59.920
Assisting two uh two heads of marketing, uh two really, really, really intense Eurofags, one from Germany, one from Spain, Gonzalo and Werner.
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:06.079
Werner looked like um the professor from Powerpuff Girls.
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:27.440
He was so angular and just like not a hair out of place, and really like like so his his uh suits were perfect, but then he was also like had that like freaky German thing, like where he was just like, Oh, I like your boots, and they're like, you know, they're like r this is like or you know, they're kind of like.
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.320
Yeah, I there there was like I was I'm like, oh, you're a secret freak.
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.800
There's uh there's something freaky about you.
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:38.559
Laying in the urine all at Bergheim.
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:39.840
Germans are like that all the time.
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:40.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:42.639
I love that's and that's why I love them.
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:43.920
I love the button-up freaks.
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:49.519
So what interests me is is um your fascination with uh queer culture.
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.119
Well, okay, for first of all, I'm pansexual.
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:53.679
Right.
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:58.639
Uh no, but but I'm I'm gay, and I'm your fascination is beyond mine.
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:02.159
Is that's I'm not saying that it matters if you're yeah, I suppose.
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:05.760
I mean, my I do have half the chromosomes of a gay male.
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:07.119
My father was gay.
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:07.599
Yeah.
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:11.360
Um and uh I realized you had a gay dad too.
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:11.760
Yeah.
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:12.719
Yeah.
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:14.719
Didn't your father He passed.
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:20.800
He died, he died of HIV AIDS uh related pneumonia in 1990 when I was 15.
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:39.760
And so I say this that I uh it's kind of you know, pause posthumously, I think partly me moving to San Francisco was sort of a a desire to understand him or to get to get to sort of know his world.
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:45.920
Although he was not uh he was not the kind of gay who'd be out at the club.
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:47.519
He was not that kind of guy.
00:42:47.679 --> 00:43:02.559
He was he loved musicals and and uh you know really nice dinners and was kind of preppy and and uh you know definitely not a leather queen by any stretch of the imagination, not at all.
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:03.920
Khakis and polos.
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:07.519
Khaki and yeah, uh yeah, and like eyes odds.
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:09.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:10.559
He was double collar?
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:11.760
Yeah, no double collar.
00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:14.880
It wasn't he he died in 1990, so I think that was a little pre-double.
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.840
You missed it by like 11 years, something like that.
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:19.119
Yeah, but anyway.
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.639
Um and uh yeah, he was quite straight-laced.
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:29.199
So I don't think that um, you know, I uh I was always freaky, I was always dramatic.
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:36.079
I was in the drama club, you know, most of the guys that I was attracted to were gay growing up, go figure.
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:37.199
Same here, yeah.
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:37.840
Same thing.
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:40.639
Listen, I blame Duran Duran.
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:42.000
A hundred percent.
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:43.519
I blame the 1980s.
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:54.480
The 1980s ruined a generation of women for uh for heterosexual men because we want them in eyeliner and soupy hair.
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:56.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:56.639
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.599
And okay with dangly earrings and yeah, yeah.
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:00.239
Exactly.
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:02.320
Some sort of interest is one thing.
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:06.400
But your knowledge is encyclopediac.
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:06.880
Yeah.
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:07.599
Is that the right?
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:09.679
Is that you say encyclopedic?
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:12.400
No, and it's a adjective.
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:14.159
It's encyclopediaic.
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:15.039
Whatever.
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:15.760
Encyclopedic.
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:16.880
It's encyclopedic.
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:17.679
All right, whatever.
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:18.000
All right.
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:18.480
Sorry.
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:19.679
I had a drink.
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:20.559
Um, all right.
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:26.880
So your knowledge is so like you know everything from the start of Cherry today.
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:28.880
You know a lot, and that's really intense.
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:30.880
I'm like, I thought I knew a lot.
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:34.239
And then you all of a sudden are saying stuff, and I'm like, oh fuck.
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.039
But often I've heard you credit it to your to your mom, right?
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:38.559
As because she's an educator.
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:40.639
My mom was a teacher.
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:42.800
My mom was an icon painter.
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:48.400
So, like, my mom was, you know, she's into like Byzantine things.
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:53.119
And so she was a nerd, and my father was a nerd.
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:57.599
My dad, number two, also an artist and a nerd.
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.800
I was raised partly by my grandmother.
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:02.800
So she was born in 1904.
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:08.800
So I just had this larger scope of history, you know.
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:12.400
I was 10 years old and obsessed with film noir.
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:13.280
What?
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:16.719
My 10, my 10th birthday party.
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:20.719
I had a private detective fancy dress party.
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.000
And we watched the Maltese Falcon.
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:25.280
What?
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:26.400
10 years old.
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:27.519
10 years old.
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:27.920
What?
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.880
People are like just doing that now for their 40th.
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:31.599
Right?
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:32.960
So bizarre.
00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:39.760
But I was like, I was also the nine-year-old, like cross legs holding court with like my entire family on like current events and World War II.
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:40.320
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:40.719
Oh, yeah.
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:44.719
And we had a cafe next to, I went to a high school called St.
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:46.400
Ignatius in Cleveland, Ohio.
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:50.400
And right across from the football field is kind of where like Ohio City begins.
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:56.159
And we had this little, there's Great Lakes Brewery, and then across the street from Great Lakes Brewery is uh Cafe Noir.
00:45:56.480 --> 00:46:03.280
And you could sit and get those like fishbowl-sized cappuccinos as they played like old silent films and whatnot.
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:08.559
And they had like um a little like uh three rows of four of like old vintage.
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:09.840
Remember the bijou?
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:14.159
They had like these vintage velvet chairs, and you could say, and they were just playing black and white films.
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:18.079
I love it was amazing, and so that I would like everyone would go to the cafeteria.
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:24.159
I'd go to Cafe Noir as like this little 14-year-old flag, like I was watching the latest Charlie Chaplin.
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:34.320
I'd watch Bugs Bunny cartoons with my grandmother, and my grandmother would sing all the songs that are in it because you know, she'd be like, uh, she'd be like, We're in the money, we're in the money.
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:41.840
Because they're they're um all the all the music of Bugs Bunny cartoons is were current pop hits of the day.
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:47.920
So it's like Benny Goodman and uh, you know, Artie Shaw songs and things like that, and uh Cole Porter songs and all that.
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:49.440
It's all like 30s, 40s stuff, right?
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:51.679
All that, all that 20s, 30s, 40s.
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:55.679
And so um, I was really into that growing up.
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:58.480
Oh, tucked it under the apple tree, Andrew sisters.
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.039
Oh, yeah, with anyone else but me, but me.
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:12.400
And um so so I had this really large scope of of history growing up, and I also have a really good memory for things.
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:13.360
Crazy.
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:20.000
I have a cr I have a really weird memory for dates and and names and facts like that.
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.119
So it kind of comes naturally to me.
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:24.480
I this is what I say.
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.599
I'm a pop star with the soul of a librarian.
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:33.920
So which leads me to what yeah, totally, which is leads me to what I wanted to ask you about, which is you know, your podcast.
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:34.079
Yeah.
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:44.639
I'm so fascinated by this podcast because um, have you it's so you listener, watchers like go run Bricktop.
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:49.519
You know, Bricktop is one of those those people that I've always wanted to like do a party, like a tribute to Bricktop.
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:50.159
Oh, yes, please.
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:53.360
But I'm like no one knows these people.
00:47:53.760 --> 00:48:00.800
Yes, that's why I started the podcast because when I'm fascinated by nightlife, I'm fascinated by nightlife history.
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:04.000
How did we get here with with this culture?
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:10.880
And and and we're in the actual space where a lot of that culture happened right now at the Ice Palace.
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:13.679
Which is incredible, and we'll we'll get we'll get to that.
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:28.159
And and when I read about history, all these amazing people show up that can't be categorized neatly into your standard arts and entertainment biography.
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:35.920
So, and I find that we get so wrapped up in in pigeonholing and being very specific.
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:46.800
So your um biography podcasts tend to be people who are artists or fashion designers or um work in cinema in some respect.
00:48:47.119 --> 00:49:16.639
So I wanted to start a biography podcast about um influential people and have it be uh geared mainly toward women, not exclusively, but uh telling the stories about women and and people from marginalized communities who moved the needle of culture in a way that uh you don't get to um you don't get to hear about with your standard arts and entertainment biographies.
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:19.119
There would be no ice palace without regines.
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:21.039
That is correct.
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:23.360
Yeah, without regime full stop.
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:25.920
Without regime full stop.
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:27.280
Explain that to me.
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:28.880
In what way?
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:33.039
So regime started the discotech.
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.159
So when we talk about disco history, I'm gonna hear this.
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:38.559
It comes in two waves.
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:47.679
So discotheque as a as a as a word uh has its origins in the 1940s.
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:56.559
There was a a venue called La Discotech in Paris that uh people could bring their records.
00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:04.719
You you entered with a key, so they didn't need a doorman, members got a key, and you could either you could check out a record to play.
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:05.119
Uh-huh.
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:10.480
And so the it's bibliothek, bibliography and the word discount.
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:11.840
The disc.
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:25.760
And right when record collecting first started being a thing that people could do, when they would market shelves to put your records on, they would call it a discotheque in French.
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:33.039
So here's your your bibliothèque is your collection of books, your discotheque is your collection of records.
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:45.360
So then in the 1950s, the Paris is all about small nightlife spaces, really teeny tiny little boats.
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:47.599
Smoke-filled, beautiful rooms.
00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:50.480
And I love that word, by the way, boats.
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:51.440
Oh, me too.
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.159
That's what we do whenever it's a word that our listeners are.
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:56.079
And it's got that on the over the eye.
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:57.199
Sexy.
00:50:57.280 --> 00:50:57.599
Sexy.
00:50:57.920 --> 00:50:58.800
It's like an umlaut.
00:50:58.880 --> 00:50:59.199
What is it?
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:00.320
It's like the little carrot, right?
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:00.800
What's it?
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:02.159
Yeah.
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:02.639
Anyway.
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:03.599
It's a hat.
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:04.800
It's a little witch hat.
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:05.760
Oh, witch is here.
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:18.880
Um, and um the blots of in the 1950s, they would have live bands, and live bands take up a lot of space.
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:19.440
Right.
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:28.239
And so it was the it the whiskey a gogo in Paris had a jukebox.
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.480
Is that the namesake of the one in Los Angeles?
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:30.960
No.
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:31.599
Yes.
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:33.760
Well, yes, it's the original.
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:34.639
It's the original.
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:37.840
Started by Paul Picini in in Paris.
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:45.760
And it's just like started at the original whiskey go-go.
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:47.440
There were two locations then.
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:53.440
There was one on the Rue de Beaujolais, which is still a speakeasy to this day.
00:51:53.679 --> 00:52:03.119
And um, and then there was the second one uh that Paul Pacini uh ran, which had um like safety deposit boxes.
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:08.159
So you could buy a bottle, write your name on it, and put it in a safety deposit box.
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:20.079
And um, and so Regine took over the original whiskey location, and she put two turntables next to each other.
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:22.079
Yes, now was she the first?
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:27.119
Maybe no, not necessarily, because there were weird zeitgeisty moments.
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:37.679
There's zeitgeisty moments, and there are there's um, you know, in Jamaica, uh sound systems were already going on in the 1950s and 1960s.
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:40.960
But but Regine is 1954.
00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.920
So this is 1954, the original Whiskey of Go-Go.
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:52.800
She puts two turntables next to each other, she puts down linoleum on the dance floor and puts the lights on the dance floor.
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:58.239
And so she really created dance culture as we know it.
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:00.320
Um, kind of endless, endless music.
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:01.760
Focus on the dancing.
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:04.400
Yeah, because one song would end and then the next one.
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.119
And instead of like a jukebox changing it or putting another record.
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:12.400
She hated the sounds of the clinking glasses and the people snogging in the corner and all that stuff.
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:15.760
So she was just like wow, boom, getting rid of it.
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:22.800
Well, it was it was already happening.
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:23.519
It was already happening.
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:28.320
It was already happening, it was happening at Arthur in 1965.
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:33.760
Do you think she found herself like in the French Caribbean at some point and saw that happening and brought it to Paris?
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:34.960
No, no, no.
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:35.920
She no.
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:40.880
Um, I th it was zeitgeisty.
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:44.719
People were I think people were already kind of doing it.
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:47.360
The it was it was very trendy.
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:49.599
Uh not have a break in the music.
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.960
It was very trendy to just start playing records.
00:53:53.119 --> 00:54:00.800
So, so it and we get we're too focused on who was the first, who was the first, who was the first.
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:01.440
100%.
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:14.719
So who cares who was the first, but Regine is the person that I believe every DJ owes a massive debt to.
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:24.320
And she's the person without she opened Regines, the upscale disco, one year almost to the day before Studio 54.
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:29.599
And hers was the first upscale disco.
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:35.920
She is I also responsible for the disco deco thing.
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:41.679
She was retroing Deco in in the 1960s.
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:55.280
It was like her and Biba were the were the I think the the purveyors and the ones who really kicked off that that deco retro thing that that was so popular in disco and and it continues.
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:57.840
I mean, her, yeah, I love her.
00:54:58.079 --> 00:54:58.639
I love her.
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:09.599
And so anyway, I started my podcast to go into this history of nightlife and entertainment.
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:11.599
And the children should know.
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:22.559
And I really wanted to highlight people who were interesting and and um that people should be talking about with more respect.
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:27.760
And um, and in the first season, it was all about nightlife.
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:39.199
It was all about three ladies whose lives basically through tell the story of of the genesis of nightlife as we know it.
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:42.639
So Madam Spivy, Bricktop, and Regine.
00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:49.679
Hey, listen, at this point in the interview, Adam passed out.
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:54.159
So we're gonna have to continue our interview with Animatronic next week.
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:55.440
But I have to go now.
00:55:55.519 --> 00:56:00.480
I'm gonna have to carry Adam to bed now, and I can tell you she's a heavy load.
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:02.480
See you next week.
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