Episode 693- Strange New Worlds Exploring the Griffin Incident

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Series. Well, good evening, Shroreki's and Trekkers around the globe.
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It it's Thursday, August sixth, twenty twenty six. Welcome to
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Trek Talking and Beyond, Episode six hundred and ninety three.
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I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. And before we
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go too far, I'd like to introduce my awesome trek Spurts.
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And we're gonna go out to Portland and start off
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with our very own David. He's our miracle worker. How
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are you doing tonight, David?
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Right there?
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Pretty high and then pretty good.
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Excellent, And also out in Portland we have our very
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own toy guy Paul. How you doing, to my Paul,
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I'm doing well.
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It's been an interesting week. It's a lot of craziness
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going on. A lot of quite a bit of wildfire
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smoke in the air out of these parts. So it's
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been a little dodgy and hopefully that's coming to an end.
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But some a large part of the state on fire,
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which is not fun. So we're we are hoping that
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things start to calm down and less of that would
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be my hope.
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That would be good. That would for a.
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Little distraction, a little you know, a little uh departure
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from realities.
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It will so, and that's what we're here for. That's
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what we're here for. We also have with us on
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a very own vs. She's out in Virginia.
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How you doing trying not to spontaneously combust outside? You know,
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it's uh just over over this heat and humidity. I'm
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sure like everybody is.
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I I hear that I'm supposed to go out and
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do a twenty minute walk every day for my heart,
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and the doctor said no, with the fire, with the smoke,
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and the fire is up in Canada and the high
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humidity and the heat, he said, nope, stay inside. So
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no walking for me. Today, so I had to stay
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home and watch Start Trek anyways, you know, and we also,
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I know it's it's it's it's terrible, and we have
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with us. Also Charles, Charles is out in Las Vegas.
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How you doing tonight?
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Charles doing good? We're stuck in the middle of the
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heat warning. So what's todd outside and it feels like
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the monsoons are pushing in a little bit. And the
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kids go back to school on Mondays. The staff is
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already back working away, trying to get classrooms ready for
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the Monday.
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Hectic, hectic part of time. Huh very hecky. Yeah, of
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course Eric isn't with us, but he will be back
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with us next year. Before we go too farlo, I've
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got some really exciting news. You guys are aware that
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The Cell has a new line of Star Trek figures out.
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Paul was kind enough to review a few of those
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for us a couple of weeks ago. I have been
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trying to get Brian Volkwise from the Cell on the
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podcast for well a while now. Guess what it's happening. Yes,
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his people reached out to me. He's currently at Star
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Trek Las Vegas and Charles's neck of the woods where
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they're going to be on veiling some new stuff. As
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soon as he gets through with that, he's gonna get
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back with me. We're gonna get him on the show.
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So I keep your eyes peeled a Trek Talking and
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beyond on our Facebook page and so you'll know when
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that's gonna be. But I'm looking forward to that, and
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I know Paul's looking forward to that as well.
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So that'll be we eat, do we get free? Do
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we each get a cell toy to be able to
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pulled up?
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And you know, well, you know the best way to
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get stuff from Swag is to never ask for it.
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You know, that's we don't want to. We don't want to.
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You know that's that's a you know, Emily Post would
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say that is the best method of proceeding.
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So well, they were to respond to enthusiasm. They're going
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to make it Uncle Jim action figure. So we'll have
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to see with a big.
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Great so at start trek Las Vegas, they have, like
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the Cells get this thing. They have a gigantic mockup
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of a the Cell Star trek box right with a
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big window in it. And for people who are showing
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up at the show you could go into the box
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and have soar in the mock up.
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So go to.
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Instagram check it out. And then they just announced today
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the Cell they do a lot of partnership stuff, and
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they announced today that there was a I don't know
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this show, but there was a show called The Center
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Seat that is in the past, a big kind of
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Star Trek documentarything. They're going to do The Center Seat
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to that they're helping produce. You know, this is Miselle
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here right with Gates McFadden doing interviewing folks with the
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likes of like Alan Rock, Brent Spiner, Malcolm McDowell, Ronaldy Moore,
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you know, you name it. So it sounds like sixty
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years of Star Trek coming to September eighth on you know,
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Prime video, YouTube, et cetera. So it sounds like that's
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a very yet another exciting thing that the Cell is
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involved in. So hopefully that Brian, I'll be talking to
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us about that too. So very cool.
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Aren't they making a Cylon Raider with cylons inside of it? Too?
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Different company? Yeah, that's not in the Cell. The silons
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are more like four inch figures and that's from a
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factory Tainment I believe it is, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah,
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So they're expanding their footprint into the foreign figurings there,
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so it's really cool. Na Cell's right now really focusing
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on the six seven inches style figures and including the Expanse,
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which I'm really excited for if those are coming out
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hopefully hopefully soon, but gonna be worth the wait for sure.
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So they're very busy. Brian's got a lot of irons
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in the five.
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Well, that's that's something we can ask Brian about when
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he's on the show exactly. So anyways, I wanted to
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start off the show with that, guys, because that's some
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pretty big news. You know, there's really two ways that
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thank you so much. Tonight's show, we're going to be
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talking about Strange New World Season four, episode two, the
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Griffin Incident, and as usual, we have our fans shout outs,
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and that's where we thank fans all around the globe
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just like you for being fans of our podcast. We
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also have our Cadet review with Charles, and that's where
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Charles points you in the direction of episodes that are
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related to the one we're discussing, so you can go
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and check it out for more background information. We have
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our fan reactions and episode scores for this week's episode,
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which is a Griffin incident. And what actors do you
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share a birthday with? You can find out on our
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sci Fi Birthday segment and Uncle Jim's Anniversary Birthday Movie
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Pick of the Week. Each week, I'll pick a movie
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that's celebrating an anniversary. We'll play a trailer from it,
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tell you a little bit about it and hopefully it's
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a movie that you either have not seen or haven't
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seen it in a while, and you can go and
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check it out. And the last, but not least, what's
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going on around the Star Trek universe and our Star
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Trek News section, And The's gonna tell us about Pipe
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Captain Pipe and a Muppet, and David is going to
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tell us about a brand new Star Trek horror game
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that's due to come out, And of course I'm going
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to talk about how the Clippens Scorer is big on
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the streaming network. So that's what's going on, and I
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hope you guys stick around and have some fun with us.
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We're gonna dive right into our fans shout outs right now,
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and usually we start off with Eric, but today we're
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going to start off with the so V take it away,
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all right?
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Well, my first shout out goes to Bobby Lee Caskey
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from Kentucky. So hello and thank you to Bobby Lee.
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Then Tom Veach, who is saying hello to us from
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Iowa's West Coast, USA. I'm quite sure what that is,
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but okay, Next Eric, Laura Frederick who says I am
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from Mereda Yucatan, Mexico. So thank you and hello to
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you Eric. And last but not least, hello and thank
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you to Matt Parkins from Cleveland Heights, Ohio. All right,
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so I'm passing the flaming fan shout out megaphone to Tuture.
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Oh okay, why are we lighting the megaphone on fire? Okay,
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let's welcome Joseph Grubon from Mascatine, Iowa, which is about
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twenty minutes from Riverside, the future place birthplace of James T.
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Kirk Ben a trek fast several times when the kids
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were younger. Welcome Joseph. Welcome Nancy Newsham Groan from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
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Welcome Nancy. From Texas. We got David Hammond. Welcome David.
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Hope you're staying cool over there in Texas. And last
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time my list, Mary Eashley Smith from Mississippi. Welcome Mary.
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I'm going to put the fire out, then pass the
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megaphone over to Paul so he hasn't burnt his fingers.
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Well, Charles appreciate that. Okay, let's go global, shall we?
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I think we should. First of all, let's go over
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to the United Kingdom and say how to eat to
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Diane Williams in Lancaster, Lancashire, England. We love England here
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on Trek, talking and beyond all parts of the United Kingdom,
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all adjacent areas of the United Kingdom as well. There's
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something about that climate that we relate to and there's
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a lot of like minded fans there. So Diane, we
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salute you, my friend, thank you for saying hello, and
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thanks for being a fan. Let's say a big hello.
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Flag proudly displayed to our pal Boris Salvador Sanchez Tapia
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and is hailing from chile Mania. Now you might say, oh,
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is that in the country of Chile. Perhaps, No, that
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is not correct. Chile Mania is actually in phenomenal, gorgeous
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Costa Rica, Provincia de Alajuela to be more precise. But
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it's nice to know that in that gorgeous country where
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I've been lucky enough to spend a little time myself,
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Boris is down there representing the enthusiasm of Star Trek
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and science fiction. So thanks for letting us know you're
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out there, Boris. We love to hear from you and
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from nfan. Moving back over to the continent here New
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thoundon Capital c We're going to say hello to Christian
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Alexander spencent Dale from Norway, Scandinavia in Europe, so phenomenal.
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I'm pretty sure that wayward Trexpert Eric might just be
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in your area right now, Christian. So if you see
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somebody like blundering around and looking lost and you know,
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pressing his face up against the glass of like a
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bookstore and you know leaving, you know, trek talking postcards
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on top of urinals, it could very well be Trexpert Eric.
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So just in case I know he's in I've not,
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you know, Scandinavia proper sure is in Norway right now,
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so you know, just keep your eye out, don't call
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the police on him. As messages you'll be tempted to,
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so we'll deal with you our own way when he returns.
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And lastly, we're going to move over to another continent
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real quickly. We're going to go to say Prince Asy
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or Ja Simboro, and I really hope I am pronouncing
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that correctly. Prince from the wonderful land of Nigeria, where
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it's great to know that we have Star Trek fans
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as well, amazing that we have folks all over the
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planet united together by their love of a form of
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storytelling that can help us see into the future, perhaps
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avoid the pitfalls we might step into, and maybe step
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into a brighter future together if we only have a
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chance to figure things out and work together. So let's
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go ahead and move on with our birthday regalia. And
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excuse me, birthday regalia, our fan regalia. I'm just jumping
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ahead of myself. I'm putting the cells in front of
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the saucer section here. That is crazy. Who would do
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such a thing? Uncle Jim sent me straight.
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You're on, Jim.
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It's got so many buttons. He doesn't know what he's doing,
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so we can't hear you with your talking. I'm going
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to talk for you. Would you like me to do
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my Uncle jim imorsonation.
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Then I'm I was, I was. I was titulated for
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In the throes of a paralysis.
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That's all right, Old age is moving in quick here. Well,
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thank you, Paul. I'd like to say hello and thank
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you to Jesse Hammer, who was born in Brooklyn, New York,
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us the American flag. Thank you so much, Jesse. We
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also want to say thank you so much to Andrea Ritter,
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who's in New York City the Big Apple. And thank
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you to Shannon Williams, who's a top fan. Thank you
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so much for being a top fan who's listening to
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us right now. In and last, but not least, we
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want to say hello and thank you to Mark Roberts
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who's listening to us. What could be watching if he's
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a subscriber in Houston, Texas. That, my friends are our
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fan shout outs for this week. If you would like
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Trek Talking and beyond you'll see the livelong and prosper
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Lisa emojis, it gets my attention, Look for heart next
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to your name from yours truly, Uncle Jim, and then
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you will be featured in a fan shout out. All right, guys,
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before we go too far though, Oh yeah, by the way,
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all these awesome pictures that there's me and my family
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all these awesome pictures that are currently on the screen
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that only subscribers can see. Okay, we don't have any
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polls this week, but Star Trek San Diego Comic Con
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and Hall h Paramount dropped a sixtieth anniversary Star Trek
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video and I meant to play this last week, but yeah,
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you know, with the blood flow problems I'm having and
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everything else. If so, I don't want to forget now.
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I'm sorry it's a week late, but better late than never.
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It's a really really good video. And David, do you
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have that queued up?
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Yep?
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Rolling in now?
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All right?
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We are all explorers, driven to know what's over the horizon.
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Well, I used to say a man could fly, he
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have wings, but he did.
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Extra per aspera to the stars through hardship.
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That's boldly going.
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Are we ready? Number one? Ready?
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Captain?
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For sixty years, Star Trek has carried us beyond imagination,
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to galaxies, out of reach, to the very core of
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what it means to be human.
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Of all the souls I have, an encounts human.
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It began with a bold idea that the future could
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be united.
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Ringing with words like duty and honor.
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Many some emotions are universalnnect us.
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All in quite a profound way.
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We crossed star systems and stood beneath alien skies, meeting
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civilizations that revealed our empathy and our hope, all while
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reminding us how far we still.
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Must go.
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For we know at this very moment, somewhere far beyond oh.
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Those distant stars, in the streaming of ours.
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My mind, in your mind.
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Star Trek has never just been science fiction friendship. It
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is hope realized.
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It's okay alone.
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It is connection across divides. It is proof that imagination
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can shape reality. Your reality.
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Huh, you guys look very realistic.
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I'll thank you, family. The journey will never be risk.
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Is all business.
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That's what the starship is all about. So come aboard
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the future.
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He's weird to make.
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Sure history never forgets the name.
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And wow, wow, wow, quite I got it.
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One of the things I really liked about that video
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is that they included Star Trek Prodigy, a show that
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Paramount seems to have flushed down a toilet and totally
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forgotten about. They removed it from their platform. You unless
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you bought a physical copy, you can't watch it, but
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they included it there, which I thought was awesome. They
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also included Scouts Star Trek animated series start for the Academy.
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Every Star Trek was represented in that video, and I
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think that's just so cool. So I wanted to show
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that to you guys last week, but I forgot, so
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I apologize better late than never, I suppose. All right, guys,
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So before we get too far, we're going to be
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talking about this week's episode, which means Charles is going
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to start us off with our cadet training.
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Thank you, Jim, and cadet training kind of just goes
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through and where can I find Easter eggs? You thinks
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related to this episode to other episodes, and definitely was
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a locked quite a few in this one. Let's start
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off with Discovery. Context is for Kings. That's the episode
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where Lorca's informed by an incident Discovery's censorship to Glenn
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where the entire crew is killed and they have to
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go investigate strange New Worlds terrarium. This is actually the
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first time the division such Division twelve is mentioned in
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the series, as Ortega mentions it as an organization who
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kind of deals with strange phenomenons, ghost.
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Stories and such.
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Voyager, the Haunting of Deck twelve. Thought that kind of
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fitting here start a Trek two the Ratha Kan. Why
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do I bring that episode up? Well, this is where
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we actually see Carol, Marcus and David and we have
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many references to them in this episode. Episode that got
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me reminded in this was Strange New Worlds lots and translation.
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This is the season two episode where after we've lost
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Hammer and Hammer appears almost zombie like to speak to
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a Herah, kind of reminding me of some of the
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makeup I saw in this episode and Discovery season one
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they mentioned Epsilon five where Epsilon Outposts five. It's a
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Starfleet outpost and the Beta Quadrant near the Klingon Federation
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Klingon Federation border, and there were some times issues. I
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think that that station has been taken over more than
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once because of from the Klingon with the Klingons, and
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I went to Google and looked up oh, tell me
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about terror in Star Trek and he had had three
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episodes that it focused on. First episode is the Faw
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from Voyager, the second one is Schisms from TNG and
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the third one is Genesis from TNG, and I think
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definitely part of this reminds me of Genesis, because that's
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the one where we saw Barkley in turning into a
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spider and Worf de evolving and hunting in the corridors.
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We got lots of definite horror and a lot of
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stuff that occurred in this episode. But I think then
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Paul wants to probably just discuss and recap this episode.
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Alrighty Charles, thank you so much. I appreciate that. So
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I'm not gonna go to too much detail. I'll get too
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granular because I think folks are gonna have a lot
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of opinions, so I want to get in there and
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hear from everybody as soon as we can. But briefly,
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this is season four, episode two of the Griffin Incident,
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which Spock Lawn and James T. Kirk board the USS Griffin.
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It's a Constitution class long lost starship that's been missing
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with all hands for nine years, and I just want
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to point out briefly, we did not get to see
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Paul Wesley's Jim Kirk in the premiere episode of this
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season four, so this is our first look at him
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here in this second episode of this season, so good
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to have him back. So the ship has been missing
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all hands very mysteriously for nine years. So the three
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of them being aboard this direalctic vessel to try to
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investigate what's happening. The crew. The ship seems curiously preserved
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and there's something very eerie about it that they pick
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up on right from the get go, and they discover
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these very disturbing ships disturbing ship's logs while they're exploring
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the bridge. So a lot of what this discovery and
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investigation of the ship leads to very quickly our psychological
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terrors and what seemed to be hallucinations. Jim Kirk is
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grappling with a lot of guilt over his son David,
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who of course we later find out about in Marathacon
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as Charles mentioned, and he ends up having some haunting,
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auditory and visual kind of grief induced hallucinations about David.
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Lahan of course, becomes very heavily identified with and potentially
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a lot of subjective reactions here, friends, So if you
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interpret what I say differently, you know, that's for you
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to explain what you think, and hopefully our other trexperts
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can do that as well, but she is really connecting
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with and seemingly possessed by the ghost of this former
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Chief of Security Rose Harper, who we discovered these logs
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from Right and Lawn very quickly seems to be sliding
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into both paranoia, violence, and potentially a break from reality.
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I think it could be argued. So that's what's going
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on with Lawan. Spock, on the other hand, is experiencing
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a very long protected series of nightmarish experiences in Sick
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Bay that grow very quickly surreal, a lot of unsettling
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apparitions of his former fiance to Pring that moved quickly
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into body horror territory, and Captain Pike is testing his
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grip on Vulcan logic. So it's all kinds of craziness
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going on there. What ends up happening, Laan excuse me?
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La pretty much succumbs entirely to her delusion, if that's
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what it is, and stabs Kirk aboard the ship seemingly
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fatally right, Spock manages to ground himself a bit more
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by reciting a Vulcan meditation, and he tries to pull
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back from his own hallucinations. But how can they be
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hallucinations if they're actually creating physical damage to you. I
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found that very unclear. There's a frantic rescue mission by
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the Enterprise to say to the surviving crew members, and
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yet the I think the best way to put it
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in terms of leaving this episode is the true nature
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of this entity or phenomenon or whatever it may be
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aboard the Griffin remains a very ambiguous thing that's never
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really defined. It's an unsolved mystery that they say is
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going to be investigated by the Starfleet's Division twelve.
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Right.
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That's kind of the X Files vision of the of
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Starfleet as well, that we've never really seen before. I've
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only heard an oblique reference to them in an earlier episode,
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so definitely strange. In the world's first real foray into horror,
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ohes quite a significant dB to other horror motion pictures,
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I would say, and notably for me, I would say
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the biggest one that came to mind was the picture
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from the nineties event Horizon. Kind a very long shadow
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over this episode, but that's just kind of the short
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and long of it to begin with here. I think
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the rather recapping all the minutia, it'll probably more interesting
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if we jump into conversation as much as possible. So
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that's my take on things. I'll let Uncle Jim coordinate
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who speaks next and who's got an opinion, but I'm
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happy to chime in more with my own opinion than
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a numerical grade later. But I'd love to hear from
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everyone else first and their reactions.
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All right, So every week, if you guys go to
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our Facebook page, Truck Talking and Beyond, I asked the
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question I usually posted around eleven o'clock on Friday, and
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I ask you guys right out there that are listening
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our fans what you thought about the episode, And I
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ask you guys to score it one to ten and
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then we'll discuss the episode and we'll see how close
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we come to the fans. So usually Eric does this segment,
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but I'm going to step in for him. They're big
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maccas is to fill, but I'm going to do my
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damn this to fill them. Okay, First off, we have
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Steve Ramsey, who says I give it a ten for
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well written, directed, produced, and acted, twelve for being so
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creepy and triggering that I will probably never go out
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of my way to watch it again. I would even
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dare say this was on part with Stephen King and
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m Night Shaalan for spine tingling, suspense and shock. Thank
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you for that, Steve. Next, we have Aaron Bittner who
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says this episode was original, memorable, and it kept my
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rapt attention from beginning to end. No, it's not classic
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Star Trek in the Roddenberry mold, but then again, roden
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Berry would be the first to agree that there should
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be stuff out there in the universe that's beyond our comprehension,
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and Aaron gave it a nine. Matt Klaus gave it
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an eight and said it reminded me of Event Horizon.
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Jonathan Finley also gave it eight and he said very
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event Horizon the so that's two people that compared it
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to Event Horizon. Robert Weiner gave it a nine HP
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lovecraft worthy horror story with the gross out, no pronouns,
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no virtue signaling, just a scary story without a scientific
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explanation for why it was great. No pronouns or virtue signaling.
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That lost me, but thank you, Robert. We also have
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James Young, who's a top fan on our Facebook page.
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He gave it an eight. Scary and interesting. Concept would
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have been higher with a better resolution or twist at
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the end as opposed to just leaving it unknown. Well,
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well that's where division twelve would come in, hopefully, James,
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00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:28.920
thank you for your comment. Kim Noble gave it a nine.
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I like where it left the three main characters. John
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00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.799
rum Suckley gave it an eight point five, and there's
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those decimals Paul loved so much. Eight point five. Not
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my favorite episode, but a solid space horror flick. Definitely
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event horizon vibes. There's another one that's three event horizons,
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and I'm going to talk about that a little bit
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when I talk about the episode as well. Chris Hansen
494
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gave it a ten. One of the best Star Trek episodes.
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It was all time superb and terrifying storytelling. Two thumbs up.
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Lee Christopher Aultman says, I don't like horror. I wasn't
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expecting horror, but that was some legit horror. Also section
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twelve to do science regarding paranormal stuff. I actually buy that,
499
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and he gave it an eight. Joshua Fulton gave it
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a nine. The event horizon of Star Trek make it
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so they we're back on the whole event horizon again.
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Stefan Parker a solid nine. I loved it, but I'm
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a big fan of Event Horizon, so seeing Star Trek
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through something like this was interesting. I'd have given it
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a perfect ten if it would have been completely explained,
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but I'll just chalk it up to another question for
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the franchise and try to enjoy what little Star Trek
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remains on the small screen. Thank you, Stefan. Vicky Mitchell
509
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said it was definitely intense and so I give it
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a nine. Henry Hernandez said, on the scale of one
511
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to ten, I give it a ten. It felt like
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the shining in space. It was cool how the episode
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explored the character's deepest fears. I'm with you, Henry, and
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that's a topic I'm going to discuss when I talk
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about the episode. We also have Jennifer sin Siba who
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00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:36.239
gave it a two. Trek is supposed to be hopeful
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00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:40.800
and optimistic watching people self mutilate because of some zombie ghosts,
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00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:45.039
ain't it. Thank you so much, Jennifer. And the last
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00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:48.719
we have Debbie McLaughlin who gave it a five. Too
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scary for me. I don't like or what the acting
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was good. When you add that all up and average
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it out. Our Facebook fans gave it a score oh
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eight point three, so that is where the fans stand.
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Let's see where the truck spirts stand on this one,
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00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:12.400
and I guess we'll start off with you, Charles.
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Okay, they grabbed my notes. I definitely had to grab
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00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:27.840
some notes on this one in the beginning. Definitely Leon
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distracted at the retreat. According to Spock, does this tie
529
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into the last episode?
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By what happened? There?
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Anyblody who plays RPGs, I think I'll understand this one.
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This will comment RPG rule, don't split the party. You
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split the party up and something happens to something happens
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to the two different groups. I definitely had a question
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of illusion when the boarding party showed up. I definitely
536
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was questioning immediately, kind of right off. It's like, I'm
537
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not sure if this crew was real. They didn't seem
538
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quite a little more wooden than I expected them to,
539
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which I think actually fit into the episode foreshadowing Spock's
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00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:44.519
brother talks about let's see someone mentions about Kirk's death,
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Kirk dying alone in space, and then we had someone
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mentioning of David dying to the blade of someone's knife.
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H I'm curious in this episode are we going to
544
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see foreshadowing? Are we going to see the effects of
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what happened with let's say, Spock in Sick Bay, or
546
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how Kirk, how Kirk is worried about his brother. Definitely,
547
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I'm wondering will we see more of this in more more?
548
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Are we going to see discussion of what happened this
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episode in further episodes? And I think as Paul mentioned,
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aberrations in there. Yeah, they definitely were interesting illusions. But yet,
551
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how was Spock.
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In?
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How did Spock had his ears cut? How did Leon
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end up with the blade in her knife? If the
555
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:20.360
illusion really wasn't there? So definitely a lot of questions
556
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.440
this was the illusions, but some of the illusions were
557
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:30.559
rather real. And definitely how the boarding crew showed up
558
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and how they end up reacting and most of them
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dying on that ship. This was definitely to me a
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real thinking episode, a little psychological view which I thought
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was interesting. And I'm going to give this one an
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eight point five. I think they did good well with
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the episode. They could have done a little better with it,
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but I still enjoyed the episode.
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00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.960
All right. There we go eight point five from Charles
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down to David. What did you think, David wake up?
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M uh well, most of everybody knows. I do not
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like a who I'm gonna read at all. This to
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me wasn't a whole lot of horror in my opinion,
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This to me felt very It felt like a dragged
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on to me for some reason. I mean, you see
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people going through the horrors of their fears, so but
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it's almost as if it just they kept coming up
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with like new ways to have a new fear, and
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it just seems like, you know, especially with Fock, I mean,
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he went through like multiple different fears, and of course
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that could be reminitions of him being half human and
578
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half aul Can. I guess maybe volcan humans have different
579
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who knows, But like that picture here, I mean, I
580
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don't know. This episode kind of made me boyed. To
581
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:13.599
be honest, it wasn't really all that scared to me,
582
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but it just there was some disturbing parts. Sure, yeah,
583
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but I mean, I don't know, it just it didn't
584
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click for me. There was one thing though, I did
585
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want to add because I can't remember and I forgot
586
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to actually watch first block the movie, but I was
587
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under the impression that Cook never knew he had a son,
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and I was under the impression that when he found
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out that he had a son, he didn't know. I mean,
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so how did he know that he had a son?
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Here?
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I mean, it was a little bit of a contradiction
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to me. But unless somebody.
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Else to that, man, if it helps clear it up,
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fare go ahead, just just briefly, if you go back
596
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and I had the same thing at first where I
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was very confused. I went and looked at the script
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for Ratha con Right and basically, uh, you know, it
599
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is telling you that Kirk was never around. And one
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of the lines that Kirk has is to Carol Marcus
601
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is I did what you wanted. I stayed away. Why
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didn't you tell him?
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Right?
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So, Kirk knew he had a son, but David didn't
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know he had the Kirk with his dad. Okay, that's
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what That's what I get from that. Gim do you.
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Concur absolutely, I've been having this conversation on our Facebook
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page with all of the cannon flushers that are not
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going to watch in the world. It was never stated,
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Kirk never said ever that he wasn't aware of David and.
611
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I loved that than Rathacn. That was always really realistic,
612
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right this, this whole thing is it's like they gave
613
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enough credit to the audience just from that line to go,
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you know, hey, I did what you wanted. You know,
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I stayed away. I mean that tells you everything you
616
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:10.519
need to know. But I was just like you, David.
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I was confused by that, and I wanted to because
618
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it's been a while since I've watched her at the
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con so I wanted to look that up. But yeah,
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I don't think they broke cannon or nothing.
621
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I think I want to add something here, which I
622
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was going to mention in my review, but this is
623
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a perfect segue for it. They set up the Wrath
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to Cohn perfectly at the end of the episode, when
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the Horror sets up the subspace relay for Kirk to
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talk to Carol because he's concerned about David. He sends
627
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her the message and Carol doesn't respond, and that right
628
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:47.599
there sets up the Wrath of Khan where he doesn't
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hasn't seen David and stays away because Carol refused to
630
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answer him. That's that's the way I took that ending.
631
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But I didn't actually put those together for some minute.
632
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:00.239
I kind of forgot about the old movie for a
633
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.440
while and I meant to watch him. But yeah, so okay,
634
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:08.000
so that cleared that up. Cool in that case. Other
635
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:12.199
than that, yeah, it just dragged on. That's all I'm
636
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:14.360
pretty much gonna say about it. I did like the
637
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.119
picture of the n X clash in that quarters, and
638
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:21.480
there's that picture that Jim we're talking about. But yeah,
639
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other than that, I don't know very boying I found it.
640
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.039
I don't know. I'm trying to give a score. I
641
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:31.519
don't want to give it a too low of a score,
642
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.039
but I'm probably gonna have to. I might have to
643
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:40.199
agree with Jennifer on this. Going around zombies isn't really
644
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:42.440
the weight of the future, So to me, I'm thinking
645
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.960
this is probably gonna be a three on my end.
646
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:48.840
I didn't really enjoy it all that much.
647
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:53.239
Okay, we got a three from David. How about you,
648
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:54.360
V let's jump up there.
649
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:58.719
Well, I I'm glad you cleared up the thing about
650
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:03.079
David because I didn't quite understand that either. Then I
651
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:06.280
you mentioned you know, and now I remember you know.
652
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:11.920
When he encounters Carol and David in Wrath of Khan
653
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.639
and so that makes a whole lot of sense. I
654
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:18.280
just think, you know, Star Trek is great for having
655
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:24.960
absentee dads because there too, you know, was Kirk and
656
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:26.199
Wharf and you.
657
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:26.840
Know, just all that.
658
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:32.280
But anyway, I just I don't know, I just I
659
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:35.000
it's just been kind of a week for me, just
660
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:39.960
you know, in real life. But it was I just
661
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.960
found that I just didn't have the brain power to
662
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:44.239
follow it.
663
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:44.920
So I was.
664
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Kind of confused what was real what was imaginary? Then
665
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.000
I sort of went off on a drift singing what
666
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if I were on that ship? What would be haunting me?
667
00:44:56.800 --> 00:44:58.800
And then that just sent me up down a whole
668
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:05.239
nother rabbit hole oh something, And I forgot where I
669
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:06.719
saw it, and I got to look it up again.
670
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:12.199
Nobody's mentioned that little that little robot that uh was it?
671
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.320
Kirka picked up off the floor. Where did that come from?
672
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:18.679
And what was his story? You know? That will look
673
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:23.039
like a little retro robot? Do you remember that? We'll
674
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:23.599
wind up?
675
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:30.760
Are you asking that little figure was in the that's
676
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:32.920
that little figure was on board that?
677
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:35.400
Yeah?
678
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:43.320
Okay, Yeah. Then Sam was talking about how he had
679
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.840
a whole box full of stuff which reminded me of
680
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:49.920
the Voyager episode, which was like, truly, you know that
681
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:53.480
was the friendship one where they have that little toy
682
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:58.400
that plays some music. But I don't know, I didn't
683
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.960
really have a whole lot to say. So it was scary,
684
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:06.880
it was dark. I think that la On is uh
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00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.039
with with her because I didn't know did she really
686
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.719
stab Kirk? Didn't She turns out she did, And because
687
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:18.199
we explored with the last episode how she you know,
688
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:24.599
infamously punched the dinosaur, So I guess she's grappling with
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00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:28.320
that that part of her that, you know, con side
690
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:32.559
of her that might be coming out. But overall, I
691
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:35.360
just won't I won't babble on. I'll just leave it
692
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:42.320
to uh, to the rest of you. But it seems
693
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:46.079
like the most most people were I really enjoyed it,
694
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.239
So I'm not gonna drag down the score. I'll just uh,
695
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maybe at another time when I'm in a better frame
696
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:57.320
of mind, I'll watch it. I think for it's production
697
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:02.079
value and the acting, I'll give it an eighth.
698
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.239
Wait an eight from me? So wait, wait, you're you're
699
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:06.880
saying that we're just babbling.
700
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.559
No no, no, I said, no, no, no, I said, no, no, no,
701
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:13.239
I said, I don't want to. I want you all
702
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:17.159
to have something worth saying when I'm just going to
703
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.280
be talking and not really saying a whole lot, and
704
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.360
I want to save it for those that do actually
705
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.960
have more to say. That's what I'm mean.
706
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:27.519
I just hope you're not giving it a higher score
707
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.239
than you really feel. If you genuinely didn't care for it,
708
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:33.159
don't feel obligated to it. You know, if you want
709
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:34.880
to lower it down, you should feel you can lower
710
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:36.920
it down. I don't. I mean I will be lowering it.
711
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:42.440
I mean the psychological part of it was, you know,
712
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.079
Like I said, I just I just couldn't keep track
713
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.760
of it. But I just I cannot judge it. I
714
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.400
can't give it a low score for just watching it once.
715
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:54.920
Tell us I'll leave it at an eight and I
716
00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:00.760
will watch it again. And just be clear, Just to
717
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.280
be clear, I'm not saying that you all are babbling.
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00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.239
I don't want to babble. I want to let other
719
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people say more things that are more worthy of the segment.
720
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So there you go.
721
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:16.760
These Sometimes we need to be told that we are battling.
722
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:21.400
I think that that's a valuable service from Babylon. Don't
723
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:23.360
hold back, Yeah, don't hold back?
724
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:25.840
Do I have to?
725
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:26.960
I have to give you a guy?
726
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:28.559
Not sure?
727
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:36.960
All right, so Paul take it away. The microphone belongs
728
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:37.280
to you.
729
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:41.000
Okay, friends, all right, I'm really glad that Stranger in
730
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:43.719
the Worlds is back. Premiere episode was last week. I'm
731
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.400
pretty sure I gave that a ten, you know, just
732
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:50.199
a quality of writing, quality performances, just a phenomen This
733
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:53.199
felt like a huge step backwards for me. I did
734
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:56.760
not care for this episode at all. I am actually
735
00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:59.719
a huge lover of horror when it is done well right,
736
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.480
and you know, there's a lot of bad horror out there, right,
737
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:07.360
this episode prove and when it's really good and well executed,
738
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:09.719
it's great. But a lot of times what people will
739
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:11.119
do is they want to I want to do a
740
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:14.480
horror thing, right, and they just shamelessly cobble from the
741
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:18.239
work of other people. Right. It's almost like literary AI, right,
742
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:21.320
And I really felt this episode was just shameless to
743
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:27.199
that degree. Lifted a ton of just super trophy cliches
744
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:31.119
from many, many, many other horror movies, from David Cronberg,
745
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:36.719
from The Shining and Super liberally from that picture we
746
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.840
talked about earlier event Horizon as well, which has Jason
747
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:43.760
Isaacson and Captain Lorca incidentally, so just to make a
748
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:46.159
little connection there in addition to everyone else on there
749
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:51.239
and the late Sam Neil really graphic, very lovecrafty and
750
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:54.119
horror film, right, and this was sort of their attempt
751
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:56.960
to like distill all that stuff together and in a
752
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.599
very unoriginal way. And you know, there's some stories that
753
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:02.280
have been out there, right, not everything's going to be
754
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.760
an original breakthrough. The a brilliant piece of writing, right,
755
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:08.440
But I think what troubled me with this movie, with
756
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:12.360
this episode was how preposterously inconsistent it was. Right, I
757
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.079
don't need to have everything explained to me, right, A
758
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:19.000
little ambiguity is fine, Right, mystery is good. Let the
759
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.039
viewer have to think for themselves. I have no problem
760
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:27.119
with that, Right, that's fine. But the rules of the
761
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.320
episode are based on what you get to see in
762
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.840
the episode, right, And for me, I just thought this
763
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:36.519
episode was wildly inconsistent. And at one moment everything appears
764
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:39.400
to be a hallucination or a mirage or whatever it
765
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:41.679
may be. At the other moment, though, people are being
766
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:46.320
physically injured and things are happening physically that shouldn't be
767
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:49.119
able to happen given the laws of physics and the
768
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:51.239
narrative laws of what we've seen in front of us.
769
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.320
So to me, just really poor writing on this episode.
770
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:57.039
I think somebody really wanted to do a horror movie
771
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.280
episode and they got all fired up about it, and
772
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.440
they there's certain touchdowns they wanted to make sure to include.
773
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:04.719
And I felt bad for the actors because the actors
774
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:08.400
were gainly doing their best, you know, trying to resonate
775
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:12.599
and depict their emotions and depict their characters fears and
776
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.239
things like that. But I just, you know, I judge
777
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.559
every one of these episodes based on all the other
778
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:22.360
episodes that have come before, right, so you know, I
779
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.360
in terms of the whole what have I seen throughout
780
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:26.599
all the seasons of strange in the worlds, Right, And
781
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:28.800
that's where I draw my baseline. That's why my last
782
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:31.880
week deserved a tent Right. But this was not a
783
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:37.599
good episode, and it was very inconsistent, very lazily done.
784
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:41.400
Not really blaming the actors here. It's not their fault.
785
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:43.239
They did the best job they could, right, They were
786
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.280
trying really hard. It's great set Paul wesnon't back. I
787
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:48.719
really like what he's doing. But and I have this
788
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:51.199
terrible feeling we're going to get more of this later
789
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:53.360
on in this season, because they had a thing like
790
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.239
that last season that they ended up coming back in
791
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:58.559
the finale, right where we ended up finding out that
792
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:03.079
Pike you know, girlfriend slash fiance was really going to
793
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:06.599
be spirited off to become kind of a god guardian person, right,
794
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.440
and that had been all set up previously, and you know,
795
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:13.559
and again another kind of ambiguous part one earlier in
796
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:15.440
the in the season, and I think we're going to
797
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:17.519
get something like that here too, where we finally find
798
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:21.360
out who the mysterious that doll faced girl is, right
799
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:29.559
the ghostly you know, interdimensional you know, senior executive officer
800
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:32.000
or whatever the hell you was. So I found it
801
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:35.199
really an annoying episode, not start Trek at its best
802
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.239
at all. If you're able to find this to be
803
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:39.599
an eight, nine and ten, God love you, you know. I'm
804
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:42.119
super glad you were able to enjoy it. I just
805
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.000
was not a person that could. I don't want to
806
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:45.559
take away from anyone else, but for me, this is
807
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.800
an embarrassing four And I think they should you know,
808
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.639
do better? Gang, write better? This is bad writing, This
809
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:58.400
is not good storytelling. Drove me up the wall. So
810
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:06.880
a four from me, did we lose Jim? I don't know.
811
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:08.159
I see you from.
812
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:13.880
Actually actually, oh that is I just not have been
813
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:16.360
I have not been able to collect my thoughts very
814
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.039
well these last couple of weeks. But the way, you
815
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.199
know what, the way you said it, they just resonated
816
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.119
with me, and it's like, you're, You're absolutely right. I
817
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:27.880
was just trying to be a little more positive. But yeah,
818
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.719
I just you you you put it perfectly.
819
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:34.400
I think, do you want to revise your score?
820
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:36.800
I'm going to give it a let me drop it
821
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.840
down to a six. How about that?
822
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:51.320
Okay, want to go lower because I never received that toy.
823
00:53:52.360 --> 00:54:00.480
Yeah it is, Yeah, it just was, you're because I
824
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:02.639
was just I was I was just talking it up
825
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:06.039
to my brain just didn't compute. And it's like, turns
826
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:09.159
out there was nothing to compute. I didn't realize that
827
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:13.239
until you just put it so distinctly, Paul. So thank
828
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:13.639
you for that.
829
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:16.239
Oh, thank you. I'm very kind of you, you know,
830
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:18.199
And I want to be clear, friends, I love the
831
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:21.079
horror genre when it's done well so much. I love
832
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.840
like John Carpenter and David Cronenberg and you know, HP
833
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.840
Lovecraft stories and you know, the Shining and and Stephen King.
834
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:31.639
This is my bread and butter. I love this stuff
835
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:33.599
when it's done well right as much as I do
836
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:37.440
science fic. It when it's done well being the key
837
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:41.079
thing right, and I love that stuff. I do have
838
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:43.920
nothing against the genre right at all. I really do.
839
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:47.039
But but after this episode was over, you know, I
840
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:48.840
was just like, I kind of feel like I need
841
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:52.400
a shower, you know, I really did. I was just like,
842
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:55.440
this is gross and I feel like really just with
843
00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:58.440
the ears snipping and the finger chopping, like this is just.
844
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.320
Okay. It's like, oh my god, why did they have
845
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:05.599
to do that? That was disgusting. I forgot about that.
846
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:08.360
And a guy I saw somewhere online. I don't know
847
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.199
if it was in our Facebook group or somewhere else,
848
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:12.039
but I was just like, you know, this guy, I
849
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:14.039
appreciate his point of view, right, you know, not that
850
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.559
we have to be you know all, you know, g
851
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:20.599
rated innocuous folks. He was like me because now I
852
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:22.679
feel he goes. I have to pre screen start Trek
853
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.159
before I can share to the kids, right, And I
854
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:27.039
kind of think the guy has a point, right, because
855
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.960
it's like where are we going? And I don't really
856
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:33.000
remember a lot of you know, disclaimers at the beginning
857
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:37.599
of the episode, like warning for graphic violence, so you know,
858
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:40.400
And I'm I'm not against it. I'm just saying it's
859
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:43.440
just it seems it's a little tone deaf and not
860
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:48.800
I think especially it's like they living in I come
861
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:51.000
to start trek for hope and uh and vision and
862
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:55.159
clarity and good writing, and I just didn't get that here.
863
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:58.199
The question is Box snipped his own ears or what?
864
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:02.440
Like I quite okay, I don't understand that.
865
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:03.840
Okay, we don't know.
866
00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:07.960
Because the episode never told us, right, it was left
867
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:09.840
that out a little ambiguous. But how would you even
868
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:12.679
do that? Given how much he's screaming in pain that's
869
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:16.400
not self self uh you know, uh, that's not a
870
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:20.039
self inflicted wound. When he's screaming like bloody murder, where's
871
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.360
your vulcan resolve? It means to see Spot on the
872
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.960
original series, he would just like endure incredible amount of
873
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:30.000
pain and he would never break under any circumstances, almost right,
874
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.320
And for him to be like, he's you know, he's
875
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:34.760
too busy having a new girlfriend every week. This spot right.
876
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:37.280
I mean, it's just I can't even keep trying. So
877
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:40.199
it's just I don't like to come across negative. But
878
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:42.199
like I said, just the bad taste in my mouth,
879
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.480
and they did not care for it. So I'm sorry.
880
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:49.039
I did anyone else think of fucked brain? When he
881
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:50.559
would put on the table for the first time.
882
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:55.199
So bad, so bad, it was good.
883
00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:57.360
We got to hear.
884
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:07.639
I'm I've after my recent medical situation, I've had plenty
885
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:11.199
of time to watch plenty of Star Trek. I watched
886
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:15.960
this episode four times, Oh my god, because I just
887
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:18.840
had to wrap my brain around it. So I watched
888
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:21.159
it four times. And I want to say I'm a
889
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:25.000
fan of horror too, but everybody kept mentioning Event Horizon.
890
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:27.480
Paul mentioned it in our chat. I went and watched
891
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:29.519
it because I have plenty of time now I'm home
892
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:33.480
all days. I get to watch all these eighties movies
893
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:37.880
and stuff, and I watched it. That movie was horrendously
894
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:41.199
I hate that movie was terrible. I just did. It
895
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:45.960
was just uncomfortable to watch, just gory from beginning to
896
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:50.559
I did not care for Event Horizon at all, just
897
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:54.719
just no, they just didn't like it. All the people
898
00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.840
that were comparing this to that I think is a
899
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:03.320
very loose, really loose comparison, simply because we have an
900
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:06.800
abandoned starship with a murdered crew, and that was really
901
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:11.280
the only thing I saw that that would connect the
902
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:15.199
two in my opinion. So so I just wanted to
903
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:17.440
say that there's another movie that I think sums this
904
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:21.000
up perfectly, and that's the Shining. I saw more of
905
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.880
the shining in this than I did in Event Horizon.
906
00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:28.239
I also want to say a while ago, there was
907
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:33.920
some talk of Quentin Tarantino making an R rated Star
908
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:37.559
Trek and people went crazy, you know, cutting off their
909
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.000
vulcan ears out over the whole thing. And I got
910
00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:44.559
to say that after watching this episode, which which by
911
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:46.679
the way, there was a fan of Facebook page that
912
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:50.679
said this that this episode was not shown on Canadian
913
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:55.320
Sci Fi TV because of the graphic nature of the episode,
914
00:58:56.360 --> 00:59:04.000
so all the same, So yeah, this this episode was
915
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:09.840
was more graphic. I think, not as as any means,
916
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:17.880
but still it was graphic. Having said that, I also
917
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:22.559
think that strange in the world has this uh tendency
918
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:28.159
let me put it that way, Tendency two want to
919
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:33.000
do different uh styles and genres of Star Trek rather
920
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:35.480
than just doing Star Trek. You know, they got to
921
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:37.880
give us a singing episode, which I love. By the way,
922
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:41.199
I'm not knocking it. They have to give us a
923
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:44.239
you know, a holid deck episode. They have to give
924
00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:46.079
us a what if episode, They have to give us
925
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:48.599
a mouffet episode. They have to give us, you know,
926
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:52.360
a time period episode that for some reason they can't
927
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:57.079
find their own style, so they feel the need to
928
00:59:57.159 --> 01:00:00.920
continuously make Star Trek episodes in the style of other people.
929
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:06.320
And sometimes that bothers me. I would like to see
930
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.360
them do their own style. This was their attempt at
931
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:12.760
a horror episode, and in my opinion, it worked brilliantly.
932
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:17.320
And I'm going to tell you guys why I mentioned
933
01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:21.320
The Shining and to me, this episode is perfect for
934
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:26.400
The Shining because in The Shining, was Jack Nicholson an
935
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:30.760
alcoholic that was projecting these these apparitions as a way
936
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:35.159
to justify his actions, or was the hotel influencing him
937
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:39.159
in these these apparitions were real. I have watched The Shining,
938
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:43.719
god knows how many times and It's a brilliant movie.
939
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:47.760
And to me, this episode followed the shining a lot
940
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:52.920
closer than Event Horizon. It leaves you wondering was this reel?
941
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:54.000
Wasn't this real?
942
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:54.280
What?
943
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:57.679
You know, does Spot cut off his own ears?
944
01:00:57.760 --> 01:00:57.960
Yeah?
945
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:02.239
I think that he did. Laan, we see the knife
946
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:06.039
on the wall. Laan's the camera shows us the knife.
947
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.719
We see that it's there, and in the very next
948
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:13.079
scene we see Lan stabbing Kirk with the knife that
949
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:17.760
she just looked at on the wall. You know, Kirk
950
01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:21.440
is dealing with, you know, his son. He knows that
951
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.639
Carroll's pregnant, he knows that she's and that he's going
952
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:27.239
to be a father. He's asked her to stay away.
953
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:30.519
He's dealing with the guilt of his family. And so,
954
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:33.599
you know, this is why we see so much talk
955
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:37.280
of David and he's you know, digging into the console
956
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.039
because he sees a baby in there. And to me,
957
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:44.280
the episode was all about the inner strife that each
958
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.639
one of these characters was dealing with and would their
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01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:52.239
inner inner demons take them over and make them someone
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01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:56.199
else or will they defeat these these demons, And to me,
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01:01:56.280 --> 01:02:00.360
that's what the episode was all about. You know, was
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01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:04.760
the Griffin real, yes, was it haunted? When else Spock
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01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:09.719
did detect negatively charged ions and Kirk says, you mean
964
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:15.760
ghosts and Spocks is no negatively charged ions. So was
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01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:19.119
there something on the ship that was making them do
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01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:24.320
these things? You know it could have been. Uh, it
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01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:26.599
was never explained to us, just like in The Shining,
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01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:30.440
it's never explained. It's left for the viewer to decide.
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01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:33.159
And there was enough for me a lot of character
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01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:37.239
development in this episode, like Spock seeing to Pring instead
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01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:39.079
of Chapel, and then when he gets back on the
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01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:43.239
Enterprise and as Chapel fixed his ears, you know they're discussing,
973
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:45.239
you know, why was it to Pring and not her?
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01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:52.320
On me with the captain about his log compleet. All
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01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:56.559
of these things were were then dealing with their inner
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01:02:56.599 --> 01:03:00.639
demons and hopefully defeating them. The only one that has
977
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:03.639
me worried though, on because she still seems to be
978
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:06.960
that maniacal, take over the universe type of person that
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01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:10.079
punches dinosaurs. But we'll have to wait and see how
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01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.960
she plays out by the end of the season. But
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01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:18.239
it was brilliantly shot. Whoever directed this episode was definitely
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01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:21.199
a horror fan because I could see Michael Myers or
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01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:24.079
Jason Horhi's popping out from around any one of these
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01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:28.480
coins at any time. It definitely had the horror vibe.
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01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:32.880
They redressed the Enterprise to look like, you know, a
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01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:37.480
horror ship. The lighting, everything about it screened horror movie,
987
01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:42.840
very well done. The production value was phenomenal. I don't
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01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.079
know if you guys noticed this or not. No one
989
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:48.760
mentioned it, but after watching the episode four times I
990
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:51.840
noticed it, and I wanted to bring this up. When
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01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:55.880
they beam onto the Griffin for the first time, they
992
01:03:56.039 --> 01:04:02.119
used the cage transporter sound effect now and also and
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01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:03.679
I'm gonna come back to that in a minute, but
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01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:07.840
also if you look, well they're beaming down onto the ship.
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01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:13.559
In the far right hand corner. As they're materializing, you
996
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:18.679
will see Chief Security Rose whatever her name is, the
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01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:24.000
zombie faced ghost girl. She's also materializing in the corner
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01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:26.639
of the room at the same time that they are.
999
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:31.800
And one of the things about the cage is it
1000
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:36.760
was all imagine area. The Celosions were creating these visions
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01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.599
for Pike and crew to deal with, and so the
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01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:44.480
fact that they chose to use the transporter sound effect
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01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:48.480
from the cage in this episode, and the fact that
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01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:54.840
you see Rose whatever her name is, materialize as a
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01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:58.360
ghost at the same time that they do got me
1006
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.840
thinking about, you know, the episode. So to me, there
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01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:04.039
was a lot going on in this episode. There was
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01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:06.679
a lot to it. It was very well shot, very
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01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:09.880
well acted. We learned a lot about these characters. And
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01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:13.760
also something else that I think they did incredibly well,
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01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:17.639
which Charles had mentioned. When when Spock sends the message
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01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:20.800
to the Enterprise and An says we only have an
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01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:25.079
hour to get out of here, and then Pike and
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01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:31.199
Una and Ahura and Ortegas appear on the ship, I'm thinking, oh, okay,
1015
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:34.760
and I thought, yeah, they're really here. They're here. They
1016
01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:38.679
beamed onto the ship. They're actually here. I believed that
1017
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:42.559
they were there, even when Pike was cutting off his fingers.
1018
01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:46.280
I'm like, oh Jesus, that's gross, But I still thought
1019
01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:52.559
that they were there. When Laan beams or Tagas into herself,
1020
01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:54.880
which I thought was an homage to the motion picture,
1021
01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:59.760
and Ahora puts her in the transporter buffer, I thought,
1022
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.760
wait a minute, if they kill if they kill or Tegis,
1023
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:06.599
then that's going to ruin the whole illusion. But they
1024
01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:10.280
saved her. So I'm thinking to myself, they're really there.
1025
01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:15.880
Now this is affecting them. When Sam gets sucked out
1026
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:18.559
through that little hole into space and he's floating, that's
1027
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:21.320
when I said, Okay, they're not really there. And I
1028
01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:23.840
don't know if you guys remember there's a really there's
1029
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:25.840
an alien movie that I'm going to mention now that
1030
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:28.960
that was really not good, but I'm going to mention it. Anyways,
1031
01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:36.559
there was an alien movie called Alien Resurrection and the
1032
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:40.079
main alien gets sucked out into space just like Sam
1033
01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:44.519
Kirk did, and that reminded me of that scene. So yeah,
1034
01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:46.800
I was like, Okay, well, now I know they're not
1035
01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:49.760
really there. And that's what broke the illusion for me
1036
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:53.719
was that particular scene with there. But overall, I thought
1037
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:57.000
I really liked seeing the characters dealing with all of
1038
01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:59.840
the situations that were putting them dealing with their inner demons,
1039
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:03.880
Spocks switching to logic, and I also think that to
1040
01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:08.119
something Paul said, this version of Spock is not quite
1041
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:12.679
there yet. This isn't the Spock that we will come
1042
01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:16.320
to know and love on cos he's working his way there,
1043
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:20.360
so he's not fully embraced the logic yet he's not
1044
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:25.000
really there. But I think this episode puts him on
1045
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:28.320
course to be that Spock because he steps back to
1046
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:32.000
logic and he solves the whole illusion with logic. And
1047
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:35.559
the reason why I say that that he self mutilated
1048
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:38.400
himself is because he picks up he has the scissors
1049
01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:40.119
in his hand with the green blood on them, and
1050
01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:42.400
he holds them up and has them in his hand,
1051
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:45.760
and that's what I'm like, Okay, well, you know, he
1052
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.960
obviously had cut his own ears off, and that's the
1053
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:54.119
way I interpreted that scene. Again, just like with the Shining,
1054
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:57.639
there's people that argue it was an alcoholic delusion and
1055
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:00.719
other people that argue that it with those and we
1056
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:03.519
can both be right. That's the beauty of it. So
1057
01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:06.480
to me, I found this episode to be Star Trek
1058
01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:10.000
does Shining more than Star Trek does Event Horizon. I
1059
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:12.400
enjoyed it. Well, I don't want to say I enjoyed it,
1060
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:17.600
but I didn't hate it. Okay, I've seen better episodes
1061
01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:21.079
of the Star Trek, but this just showed me that
1062
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:24.800
Star Trek can be done, are rated, and can be
1063
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:28.079
done creepy and spooky. So I enjoyed it. Was it
1064
01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:31.279
a ten no, it was not a ten by five,
1065
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:37.439
but I'm gonna I'm gonna go with that, you know,
1066
01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:39.560
I'm gonna go with an eight point five like one
1067
01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:44.000
of our fans had given the episode, So eight point
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01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:49.359
five from me. So Charles with our how to the
1069
01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:54.319
Trek Spurts hold up to our fans on our Facebook page.
1070
01:08:55.199 --> 01:09:00.800
Okay, overall our our fans, our fans gave this episode
1071
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:07.560
an eight point three. The Trexperts only gave it a six.
1072
01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:11.680
Wow.
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01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:17.159
Okay, well there you have it all right. So now guys, uh,
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01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:21.399
it's time for our five five birthdays.
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01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:41.079
Yeah, that was not a clemon song.
1076
01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:49.119
Okay, grumpy war if we understand. So I'm attempting to
1077
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:54.680
to shorten our podcast a little bit. So I'm going
1078
01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:57.760
to every week, I'm going to try to get our
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01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:02.279
birthdays down to stand six per person, and I think
1080
01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:05.239
that's totally doable. I'm only going to mention the ones
1081
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:08.560
that are memorable. Now, last week, I apologize. You know,
1082
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:10.119
I had a heart attack. We were out for two
1083
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:12.439
weeks and we had some good ones that I couldn't
1084
01:10:12.439 --> 01:10:14.560
take off the list. You know, we had Harrison Ford
1085
01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:16.319
and you know, we had some good ones. So it
1086
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:18.479
was a little bit long. Hopefully I'll make up for
1087
01:10:18.520 --> 01:10:22.239
it this week. So usually we turned to Charles, I
1088
01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:25.399
mean too Eric for our remembrance is. But this week
1089
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:27.479
we're going to turn to Charles, and Charles is going
1090
01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:30.239
to Savvy and I'll remember those members of our Sci
1091
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:32.720
Fi and Star Trek family who are no longer with us.
1092
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:34.920
So take it away, Charles.
1093
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:36.359
Thank you.
1094
01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:42.000
Jim. Start off with Ted. Yeah.
1095
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:48.399
Ted Cassidy played Rouck in tos's first season episode What
1096
01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:52.920
Are Little Girls Made Out? Also did an uncredited voice
1097
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:58.359
role in The Captain Gorny Arena and Balck's puppet in
1098
01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:02.920
The Carbonite Maneuver. Best known for his betrayal as a
1099
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:08.279
macabre butler Lurch in the TV series Adams Family Back
1100
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:18.079
from sixty four to sixty six. Happy Birthday THEO Marcus
1101
01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:24.840
was the actor who betrayed Corb and t was the
1102
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:33.720
second season episode Cats Paul Happy Birthday Remembrances to Nehemia.
1103
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:40.600
Hears Off was an American actor who played Parlow Top
1104
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:47.319
and TNG Thursdays and episode The Most Toys, and did
1105
01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:49.439
show up in SAT.
1106
01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:53.800
I found it interesting when I was doing this that
1107
01:11:54.279 --> 01:11:59.079
he died at one hundred and two. That's impressive.
1108
01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:05.840
Awesome, that's impressive. And last on my list, I think
1109
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:09.960
the biggest one on my list is a very happy birthday.
1110
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:12.079
Sorry you're not here.
1111
01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:19.039
To Luisille Ball an actress and comedian best known for
1112
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:24.119
her role at Roland I Love Lucy. During the mid sixties,
1113
01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:28.720
she was the owner and chief executive of Desilu Studios.
1114
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:34.319
As such, rememberable for her approving the initial Star Trek production.
1115
01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:40.159
There is a production of Star Trek. Ball founded Desilu
1116
01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:48.439
with her husband Desilu in nineteen fifty but we always
1117
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:51.720
talk her as the first Lady of Star Trek because
1118
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:59.520
she really did help bring Star Trek existence. And now
1119
01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:03.039
I will pass is flaming birthday candle over.
1120
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:09.119
To v Yeah. Finally something that can be properly on fire. Yeah.
1121
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:13.720
So the first happy birthday goes to France Win. She
1122
01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:19.119
played Elon in the TOS third season episode Ilon of Troye.
1123
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:22.680
She was born in Marseill, France, to a French Roma
1124
01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:28.119
mother and a Vietnamese father. Next happy birthday goes to
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01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:33.560
Edward Furlong. He played John Connor in the nineteen ninety
1126
01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:37.079
one film Terminator to Judgment Day. I remember taught in
1127
01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:42.239
the Theater. Born in Glendale, California, he had no acting
1128
01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:46.479
ambitions until he was approached by a casting agent who
1129
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:48.680
was looking for a young actor to play the role
1130
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:52.439
of John Connor and what turned out to be one
1131
01:13:52.479 --> 01:13:57.359
of the biggest box office hits of the nineteen nineties.
1132
01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:02.119
Next birthday to somebody I wish I could have been
1133
01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:06.399
part of interviewing, but because I was, forgot what it
1134
01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:10.880
was anyway, But a big happy birthday to Bruce Korak,
1135
01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:16.000
Canadian actor and artist who portrayed Hemmer in the first
1136
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:20.199
season of Strange New World. He reprised the role in
1137
01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:23.079
an episode of the second season, where he also made
1138
01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:27.880
a guest appearance as Garkog. He's legally blind, having lost
1139
01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:31.840
over ninety percent of his eyesight to childhood cancer. Over
1140
01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:34.520
that does not seem to have stopped him at all.
1141
01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:39.439
Next and me, I gotta say, I just want to
1142
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:42.399
jump in here and say to our listeners, if you
1143
01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:46.439
missed that interview, head over to trek talkin dot com
1144
01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:50.800
and give it a listen, because he was absolutely fascinating
1145
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:53.800
to talk to. He was a lot of fun, and
1146
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:59.000
he's brilliant and the singing, dancing Klingon Oh my god,
1147
01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:01.399
does it Does it get any better than that?
1148
01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:05.319
I have to say no, you know, a week doesn't
1149
01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:07.800
go by that. I just don't threw the fact that
1150
01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:10.000
they got rid of this character, right, I mean, we
1151
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:12.960
got Pellyan now, and it's just I'm sorry, Carol Kane.
1152
01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:16.840
There's just no comparison. This is a great character and
1153
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.560
they should have never got rid of him. He was fantastic.
1154
01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:24.840
I absolutely agree. And Bruce Horwock is a great individual.
1155
01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:28.319
So he was a actor, he really really he brought
1156
01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:32.000
a lot of life from unique perspective. You never confused him,
1157
01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.159
but that the characters he made sense. He was a
1158
01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:38.159
great mentor. It was just it was such a good character,
1159
01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:40.199
and it's just like you hang on the good characters.
1160
01:15:40.199 --> 01:15:42.600
Don't let him throw away like that.
1161
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:44.720
He was the greatest question to me because of his
1162
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:49.840
legally blinded and I am so I agree with the guy.
1163
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:53.880
They shouldn't have gotten rid of him.
1164
01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:57.199
When he was on the podcast, he said that he
1165
01:15:57.279 --> 01:15:59.359
knew that he was only going to be there first season,
1166
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:00.920
and they knew they were going to kill him off
1167
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:03.920
at the end. So I don't know what was going
1168
01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:07.039
through their heads. They should not a good call, not
1169
01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:09.560
a good call. Absolutely not sorry.
1170
01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:12.920
Sorry, no, no, no, that's that's perfectly fine, especially you
1171
01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:16.399
know if you have that connection with him, So no problems.
1172
01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:21.680
The next happy Birthday goes to Catherine Hick and she
1173
01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:26.720
played doctor Gillian Taylor in perhaps one of the best
1174
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:38.279
Star Trek movies ever, Voyage Home, the one with the Whales.
1175
01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:41.039
She is, but she is best known for her starring
1176
01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:46.159
role as Annie Camden in Seventh Heaven. And her husband
1177
01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:50.560
was played by name just went out of my head,
1178
01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:55.560
but he was Decker in Star Trek's emotion picture. Was
1179
01:16:55.640 --> 01:17:00.520
his name Stephen something or another? Yes, thank you in coming.
1180
01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:05.279
So I gotta tell you a little story about her.
1181
01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:10.039
We have this time for an Uncle Jim story. Okay,
1182
01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:13.439
so here's an Uncle Jim story. My wife and I
1183
01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:17.279
drove all the way down to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania to see
1184
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:21.279
her at one of her first conventions, and we get
1185
01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:23.920
down there to meet her. She's a charming lady. She
1186
01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:28.119
was absolutely wonderful. In fact, I sent Charles an autograph
1187
01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:31.239
poster from Star Trek four that I had or sign.
1188
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:33.119
I had her sign a couple of them. But what
1189
01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:35.880
she's up on stage doing her Q and A and
1190
01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:37.520
I'm going to say a bad word here, but I'm
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just quoting her, she says to the crowd. She says, yeah,
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I think that she was a bit of a cock
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01:17:44.600 --> 01:17:48.840
tease when it came to Captain Kirk. She she got
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what she wanted. She came to the future, worked with
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the whales, and then told Captain Kirk bye bye, I
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see you later, dude, and left them hanging hay and drive.
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I thought that was funny, and I think it's nice
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to see the tables turned on, right, So congratulations to
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Catherine Hicks for doing that, and out back to our
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schedule program. The best Star Trek movie ever.
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Yeah, so my last happy Birthday goes out to Melanie Shatner.
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She's a former actress who appeared as a jogger in
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01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:29.880
Star Trek for The Voyage Home, Great Picture, and as
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01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:33.479
the Captain's gilman in some other Star Trek movie that
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01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:34.560
I've never heard.
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Of, The Best.
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Start The Final Frontier. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she is
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the youngest daughter of the shat William Shatner. Happy birthday
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to you, Melanie. All right, and you know.
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What I got to say, congratulations because you got our
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Star Trek five reference in.
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The so now I'm going to get a hurl a
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flaming birthday candle over to Paul. We need a flaming
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or some sort of graphic that goes across the screen.
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That would be great.
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Yeah, a laws rocket would be good. Okay, we'll work
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on that. So let's continue, shall we, friends, and say,
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we got a lot of July birthdays sneaking in here
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01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:27.439
to and we've got one at the end of the month.
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It's the great Michael Bean, American actor, of course, known
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01:19:32.119 --> 01:19:35.640
for his many depictions in the films of James Cameron,
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01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:41.680
most notably for me as Kyle Reese in Aliens or
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01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:46.640
excuse me, no, I've got my'm backwards. I've got reading
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01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:49.960
dyslexia here tonight. It's terrible. Kyle Reese is of course.
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01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:54.000
The first thing he did with Jim Cameron was The Terminator.
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01:19:54.039 --> 01:19:55.760
What am I thinking? I think I need.
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01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:56.560
Coffee or something?
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01:19:56.840 --> 01:20:00.760
But yeah, memorably as the guy who basically you know
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01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:04.560
John Connor's dad, if you will, right, Kyl Reese right, amazing,
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01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:08.920
terrific stuff, really great, indelible first impression. But he ended
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01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:11.439
up working with Jim Cameron so many other times, and
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01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:14.920
for me, you know, corporal Hicks and Aliens. It doesn't
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get any bilder than that. I mean, what a great performance,
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right Hudson, Sir. He's Hicks. I mean, just so great,
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01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:24.359
so many great lines of dialogue. I say we take
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01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:26.439
off and look aside from morbit On a way to
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01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:30.439
be sure. I mean, he's phenomenal, really engaging with folks
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at conventions all the time. He ended up showing up
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01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:37.680
in really great Part two an Abyss for Jim Cameron also,
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01:20:37.720 --> 01:20:40.199
so they just keep working together doing all these different things.
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01:20:40.720 --> 01:20:43.239
But Michael Bean's done a ton of things beyond that
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01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:47.399
as well. Really all over the place. He was in Tombstone,
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01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:52.840
the terrific picture with about the Okay Corral with Kurt Russell,
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01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:55.760
a really really great role in that. For him, He's
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01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:58.000
all over the place. He had a small part in
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01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:01.479
the first season of The Mandalorian. If you have not
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01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:05.239
checked that out, you should. But just a wonderful performer,
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01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:08.359
really great, able to do everything with the Old West
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01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:10.800
of the far future. A big fan of his work.
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01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:14.960
I can't believe I confuse those two characters. But there
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01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:18.680
you go, Michael Bean. We salute you, sir, and do
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01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:22.720
more work. We love seeing you. Happy birthday to original
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01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:28.000
series veterans. Susan Denbergh, German born Austrian chorus dancer, model
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01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:31.319
and actress, who, of course, in the original series first
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01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:37.680
season episode MUDs Women, played Magna Kovacs. Very very cool.
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01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:42.039
Was born in Germany originally then became part of Poland
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01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:45.000
at the end of the Second World War. That section there,
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01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:49.439
but a really memorable role and a very you know,
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01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:53.279
part of that whole mystique of the first original series
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01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:56.079
first season. So very, very striking and very very cool.
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01:21:56.119 --> 01:22:00.720
So Happy Birthday, Susan Denverg. Happy Birthday. Took an actress
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01:22:00.760 --> 01:22:06.640
Evangeline Lily, who portrays Tail the Elf in The Hobbit,
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01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:10.079
The Desolation of Smog and The Hobbit, The Battle of
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01:22:10.119 --> 01:22:13.920
the Five Armies the Peter Jackson Hobbit Movies. There great
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01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:17.119
to see an Elf step to the forefront as a warrior.
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01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:21.920
She also played superhero Hope van Dyne aka the Wasp
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01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:26.680
in the Marvel Cinematic Universe The ant Man Pictures. Notably,
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01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:29.960
there a lot of stuff that she's done. Of course,
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01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:33.319
many of us remember her for her leading role as
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01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:36.760
Kate Austen in the Lost television series People Forget about
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01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:40.960
how Lost was just made such a huge impact, amazing,
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01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:45.239
amazing television show. She got like I think, numerous nominations
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01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:47.399
for her work in that Saturn Awards and stuff. She's
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01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:50.760
just great, so very very cool. Exciting to see her
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01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:54.279
continuing to make an impression. So if you've never seen
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01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:56.239
her and Lost, you should really check out Lost. It's
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01:22:56.359 --> 01:23:00.560
pretty amazing stuff, very very cool. Moving on, Actress Melissa
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01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:05.039
George Okay, who Australian actress who played Vina in Star
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01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:08.640
Trek Discovery second season episode of Memory Serves again. Kind
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01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:12.600
of riffing on the whole cage thing there as Jim
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01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:15.840
was describing earlier, but very very cool to see a
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01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:19.920
different iteration of that character. Happy Birthday goes out to
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01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:23.279
we're just all over MUD's women know in the original series,
1284
01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:25.439
here aren't we? We're just all over the original series
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01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:29.800
Night Luis Sorel, who played Rayna Kopeck in the third
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01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:35.560
season original series episode Requiem for Methuselah. Daughter producer Albert J.
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01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:39.079
Cohen and actress Gene Sorell, made her acting to be
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01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:41.159
back in nineteen sixty three in an episode of Rout
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sixty six. And here's what I can't believe I had
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01:23:44.439 --> 01:23:46.600
managed to steal away from Uncle Jim. It's kind of
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01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:48.439
shocking that I'm getting this one here. It's kind of
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01:23:48.479 --> 01:23:52.399
mind boggling. But we're going to say a huge happy
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01:23:52.399 --> 01:23:58.119
birthday to iconic actress Michelle Yoka, who, of course, in
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01:23:58.159 --> 01:24:02.560
the Star Trek universe we honor for play Philippa Georgiou Georgia,
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01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:06.199
Let's pronounce these things correctly here, as well as her
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01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:11.800
Mirror Universe counterpart Philippa Empress Georgia in Star Trek Discovery.
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She reprised that role in Star Trek Short Takes episode
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01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:20.199
of Pride. A Star needed to buy a few houses
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01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:23.199
and so decided to go ahead and take the role
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01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:27.079
in Star Trek Section thirty one. The less set about
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01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:30.960
that from my perspective, the better, but is an iconic
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01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:33.720
performer and has done so many good things. I could
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01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:37.439
just sit here for hours and hours and hours. Let's
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01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:40.239
first talk about where she really exploded on Western audiences
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01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:43.840
for the first time, in the phenomenal picture Crouching Tiger,
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01:24:44.159 --> 01:24:46.640
Hidden Dragon that if you've never seen it, Holy moly,
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01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:49.119
what are you doing? You should definitely be checking that
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01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:52.239
out everything everywhere, all at once. For which she won
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01:24:52.279 --> 01:24:57.680
the Academy Award. Amazing stuff. She's been all over the place.
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She's done so many different things that are really really
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tremendous good work. She was in the two Wicked movies.
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Really recently, she's been on the Witcher, Transformers, all kinds
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01:25:07.600 --> 01:25:10.319
of stuff. She just does a ton of work. And
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01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:13.560
also a Bond girl. Let's not forget her work with
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01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:18.800
Pierce Brosnan and Tomorrow Never Dies, which is great. I'm
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01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:21.960
really excited though, for I believe it is this November,
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01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:26.000
if I'm not mistaken, She's got the lead role in
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01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:30.960
an upcoming new series that is a blade Runner television series,
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01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:34.800
Friends blade Runner twenty ninety nine. It's going to be
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01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:37.960
a six episode limited series on I believe it's on
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01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:41.880
Amazon if I'm not mistaken, in November. But that's exciting.
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01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:49.439
It's you know, to see Visa. But Michelle yo amazing performer,
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01:25:50.079 --> 01:25:52.159
really cool that she's part of Star Trek. Does a
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01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:54.319
lot of other cool work as well. If you've never
1325
01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:57.479
seen Crouching Tiger Hitten Jag and check that thing out.
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01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:02.199
It's amazing, amazing stuff, tremendous performer, and I think we
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01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:04.079
have a few more here I'll probably clean on too,
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so I better pass it over to Uncle Jim.
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Why thank you so much, Paul, So I don't actually
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have an actual birthday. So each week we have a
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lot of our favorite movies that celebrate anniversaries, and some
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01:26:19.279 --> 01:26:22.279
of them get forgotten, some of them don't. I post
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01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:24.680
them on our Facebook page, and I'll always pick one
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01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:30.439
that I think our listeners and our viewers will appreciate. So, David,
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what is our anniversary movie this week?
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01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:48.159
There's totally yeah.
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On December of the sixth, nineteen eighty, the nuclear Power
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01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:56.359
to Attack Aircraft carrier USS Limits with a crew of
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01:26:56.439 --> 01:27:00.199
five thousand men and a strike force, a mighty aircraft
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01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:03.000
was on a routine mission in the Pacific when it
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01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:09.000
encountered a storm unlike any ever recorded and disappeared.
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01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:18.479
Across the board Antennis check out.
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01:27:18.520 --> 01:27:20.800
But we're up the air anywhere from out destroyers.
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01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:23.479
We're not getting anything except some co transmissions into two
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01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:25.800
hundred meter band. Otherwise we're dead as.
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01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:29.600
A Doornail's all right? That picture right? I showed this class, sir.
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01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:31.439
Can't you see that Russian trawler?
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01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:34.640
I haven't sing them off on but no visual sightings there.
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01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:37.640
All of us know that movement through time is possible.
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01:27:37.680 --> 01:27:40.760
Einstein proved there are forces in the universe which we're
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01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:43.279
only now just beginning to understand. I mean to understand
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01:27:43.279 --> 01:27:44.199
through science.
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01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:46.119
Not superstition. There are black holes in.
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01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:49.800
Space, anti matter, curved space, things that are strange to us,
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01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:51.880
as electricity would have been to people in the Middle
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01:27:51.880 --> 01:27:56.239
Ages or the ship in World War Two?
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01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:01.239
What's happening here?
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01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:02.479
Who are you?
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01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:04.680
Pupil are a war? Is that what happened?
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01:28:10.199 --> 01:28:13.680
Splash the Zeros, I say again, splash the Zeros.
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01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:24.680
We've got an incredible opportunity here.
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01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:26.319
We know where all the mistakes are going to be
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01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:27.760
made in the next forty years, and.
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01:28:27.720 --> 01:28:34.079
You've got the power to correct those. I've got planes out.
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01:28:34.199 --> 01:28:36.039
Those planes give us all a second chance.
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01:28:36.079 --> 01:28:37.119
We're a bunch of damn fools.
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01:28:37.199 --> 01:28:37.760
We don't take it.
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Those men have enough knowledge among them. Gon know we
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at them.
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Bove reached the moon here before it should have happened.
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Is that a terrifying prospect? Captain?
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On December the sixth, nineteen eighty, the nuclear carrier USS
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Nimics disappeared in the Pacific and reappeared December sixth, nineteen
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forty one, off.
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The coast of Pearl Harbor.
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The Final Countdown is about to begin.
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Yeah, so any of the Final Countdown was released by
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United Artists on August first, nineteen eighty. It's a science
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fiction war film about a modern nuclear powered aircraft carrier
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that travels through time to the day before Pearl Harbor.
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It is directed by Don Taylor, his final theatrical film
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as a director. Stars Kirk Douglas, Martin Sheen, James Farentino,
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Katherine Ross, Ron O'Neill, and Charles Derning. It received mixed
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reviews from critics, but was a moderate success at the
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box office. It received Saturn Award nominations for Best Science
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Fiction Film and Best Actor for Kirk Douglas. You guys,
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did you guys see The Final Countdown or have you
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seen it?
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I feel like that was a trailer that I showed
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me the whole movie, so I feel like I just
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saw it again.
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01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:18.520
Yeah that you know that trailer was awful. Yeah, but
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back in nineteen eighty that they had one trailer. I
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saw it when it came out, and I saw everything.
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Back in those days, the first run on Anything New
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was science fiction.
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It was there, and yeah, it's fun. I mean it's
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just like you know, Martin Sheen, Charles Dirning, all kinds
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of great character actors in there. But you know, you
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01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:40.000
know the films for Kirk Douglas, right, so you know,
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01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:42.159
I can't stay away from that. But it's had a
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very long cult life since the heyday of home video. Right,
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01:30:46.319 --> 01:30:49.199
everybody wanted to see this movie, and it's got a wrap.
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01:30:49.359 --> 01:30:51.479
People like it. It's a cult took.
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And while I was researching this movie, I never read
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01:30:55.640 --> 01:31:00.039
the book for the movie, but apparently it was Aliens,
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and they were planning on making sequel. Aliens open up
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the rift that sends the limits back in time, and
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then the Aliens open up the rift and send it
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back in time and the aircraft carrier sees the UFO
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01:31:13.960 --> 01:31:16.600
at the end of the movie. But they cut that
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whole alien connection out and never made the sequel. So
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I don't know if that would have been better worse.
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I don't know, But I like the movie. It was
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a lot of fun. If you guys haven't seen it,
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go and check it out. I think I think you
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will enjoy it. It brings up some interesting questions like if
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you could change the future, would you and what would
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01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:36.840
be the outcome if you did so.
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The final such a mind blower for me is that
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an aircraft carrier's got six thousand poke people on it.
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I mean, my god, that's six thousand people's huge one vessel,
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can you know? I mean, I just have a hard
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time understanding how an object that size can float frankly,
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but you know, it's just that's a lot of people
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to be on a single ship.
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Man, that's a big floating city. Reason, they really are
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until you think my my former husband was in the
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Navy and he was on a smaller ship. But you know,
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01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:12.439
I got to see a couple of aircraft carriers up close,
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01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:15.720
and it's mind boggling, it really is.
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01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:19.840
Yeah, it's we're always on Star Trek. How many people
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in the US's enterprise forier and something right? And just
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01:32:22.760 --> 01:32:25.920
it's worn warner people versus like six thousand, six thousand,
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01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:29.119
an insane number of human beings. I mean, how many bathrooms?
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01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:32.279
How many lot a lot on a regular day. That's like,
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01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:34.960
you know, that's like that's like a couple of hundred
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01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:41.800
thousand toilet flushes a day. I mean it's just that's yeah,
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01:32:42.319 --> 01:32:44.760
I can't wrap my head around it. David it's crazy.
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01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:52.319
Yeah, yeah, ninety ninety six aircraft. That's that's huge as well.
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So yeah, check it out. It's the final countdown. I
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01:32:57.359 --> 01:33:00.520
think you'll like it, all right, guys. So now that
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wraps up our Star Trek birthdays. We got some time
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01:33:02.800 --> 01:33:04.439
for some Star Trek.
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01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:29.039
News, all right, guys, Star Trek News.
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You can find all of these stories in their entirety
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01:33:31.079 --> 01:33:34.159
on our Facebook page, Trek Talking and Beyond. We usually
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01:33:34.199 --> 01:33:36.239
like to start out with a segment called sat and
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01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:39.479
says what, which Eric usually does for us, but we're
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01:33:39.479 --> 01:33:42.520
gonna forego that and we're gonna jump right into V.
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She's got a very good story for us.
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Take it away, right, Star Trek Strange New World reveals
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01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:55.079
Captain Pike as a puppet all right, Yeah, for all
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01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:59.560
my Muppets fans out there. Well as we know, Star
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01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:03.479
Trek Ancient World has built a reputation for unique aches,
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01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:08.760
including a musical episode, an animated crossover with Lower Decks,
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01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:12.600
one of my absolute favorites, a mock documentary. I believe
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01:34:12.640 --> 01:34:17.800
it's called a mockumentary, a clue style holiday murder mystery.
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01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:21.920
But when producers reveal that Pan Diego Comic Con that
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01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:26.720
season four would include a suppet episode featuring the crew
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01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:31.680
of the USS Enterprise reimagined in himself. Oh that just
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01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:35.680
sounds funny. Just say bye by none other than Jim
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01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:40.840
Henson's Preacher Shop. Some fans stopped laughing and started worrying.
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01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:48.079
Executive producers Alt Kirksman and Akiva Goldsman confirms what many suspected.
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It starts with a transporter, because why not. Kirtsman described
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01:34:54.840 --> 01:35:00.479
an unexpected and terrible transporter activist as the meg chanism
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that transforms Spike into a felt version of himself. What
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Season four is doing, Goldman said, is taking that reliable
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01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:13.880
device and using it for something the franchise has genuinely
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never attempted before. The episode is directed by Jordan Canning,
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who previously helms back a mock Charades and Wedding Bell
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Blues across Strange New World's first stream seasons, and all
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01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:33.520
puppet work was created by Jim Jim Henson's Preacher Shops,
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01:35:34.119 --> 01:35:37.079
the same studio behind the Muppets and Fragile Rock, and
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called it Labyrinth, Dark Crystal, et cetera. Goldman made clear
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01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:45.960
that the puppet episode turned out to be harder to
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01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:50.199
make in any episode the show has produced. Fan reaction
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to the original SCCC Seezer was divided, with some fans
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01:35:55.239 --> 01:36:00.880
celebrating the Gonzo ambition really at that, get it the
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01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:06.800
gonto okay, and others pushing back on what they saw
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as the show prioritizing guns over story, whether the puppet
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01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:15.840
episode is the gimmick that breaks so or the episode
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01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:19.720
that proved stranging Worlds may have gone too far. They
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01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:24.119
finally know where it starts, somewhere between this transporter pad
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01:36:24.840 --> 01:36:29.119
and a very bad day for Captain type. Fans will
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have to wait until the fifth episode, Level five transporter
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accident to decide for themselves. All Right, I can't wait
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01:36:37.279 --> 01:36:41.960
because Jim Henson's creature shop, I mean heck y out,
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01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:46.319
muppets heck y out. So I say go for it.
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Yeah, good time.
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And I got to be the first one to say
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here and my truck sports can verify this. When they
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01:36:57.039 --> 01:36:59.239
said they were going to do a musical episode, I
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01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:02.359
was like, no, no, no, that's going to be crap.
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01:37:02.520 --> 01:37:04.960
We don't need it. It's a gimmick, and it turned
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01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:08.840
out to be one of my favorite episodes of all time.
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01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:11.760
So I'm not going to judge anything. I want to
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01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:13.920
see what they do with it, see how it happens,
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01:37:14.119 --> 01:37:17.079
and I'll decide after I watch it, and I hope,
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I hope that Start Trek fans out there feel the
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01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:23.560
same way, and that they give it a chance before
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01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:27.840
they turn around and judge it and hate. So that's
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01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:28.479
my take.
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01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:38.199
Personally. I get hold of it in a muppet.
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01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:39.760
Yes, they'll probably have the cell will probably make little
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01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:40.840
action figures of them.
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01:37:42.680 --> 01:37:47.920
Have to Oh, I'll take him. Then, Oh, I'll take him.
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01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:52.039
Then we'll have to ask Brian volk Wise about that
1509
01:37:52.079 --> 01:37:59.359
when it comes out in the podcast. Hell yeah, absolutely,
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01:38:00.199 --> 01:38:03.199
all right, David, being our video game guy, I thought
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01:38:03.279 --> 01:38:05.000
that this would be a good story for you.
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All right.
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01:38:07.039 --> 01:38:10.479
Well that's one a horror so I'm not really into horror,
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01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:13.760
but I'll do my best, all right. So Star Trek
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01:38:14.119 --> 01:38:19.840
Shadow Frontier, a new horror game. Bluebird Team, a studio
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01:38:20.039 --> 01:38:24.720
behind Silent Hill Too remake and last year's can Quonos,
1517
01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:31.640
The New Dawn and Paramount Game Studio, which recently revealed
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01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:36.239
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles The Last Ronan, have unveiled Star
1519
01:38:36.319 --> 01:38:42.800
Trek Shadow Frontier, a psychological horror game launching next year.
1520
01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:49.239
Revealed during ign Live. Shadow Frontier put players in control
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01:38:49.359 --> 01:38:54.039
of Star Trek the next Generation roll Larn after she
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01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:58.720
crashed lands on a mysterious planet to answer a distress call.
1523
01:39:01.399 --> 01:39:05.079
So Michelle Forbes, who played the character the Next Generation,
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01:39:05.279 --> 01:39:09.199
returns to play the character in the Shadow Frontier, and
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01:39:09.279 --> 01:39:12.800
though only appeared in just a handful of episodes across
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01:39:12.840 --> 01:39:18.399
the series seven series a season, she made an impact
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01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:23.399
on Trekkis, making her reappearance in the first effort Star
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01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:30.479
Tract horror game and making it an exciting one. Okay.
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01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:36.039
The planet roll Laron Lanzon is a spaceship graveyard where
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01:39:36.199 --> 01:39:41.319
nothing is as it seems. A press release reads as
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01:39:41.399 --> 01:39:45.760
she explores the planet corrupt surface and crosses path with
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01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:50.880
other survivors, she must face twisted creatures, a hostile ecosystem,
1533
01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:56.640
and an entity that seeks to envelop her body and mind.
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01:39:58.479 --> 01:40:02.039
Stytrak Shadow Frontier does and have an exact an exact
1535
01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:07.239
relief date, but Bluebird Team and Permount Games said out
1536
01:40:07.680 --> 01:40:15.720
next year on PlayStation five, Xbox, Xbox Series x S
1537
01:40:16.239 --> 01:40:22.680
and PC. So I'm not intruqua, but I probably wouldn't
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01:40:22.680 --> 01:40:26.039
mind playing it if just if we do a podcast
1539
01:40:26.039 --> 01:40:27.680
about it. If you guys want but I don't know.
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01:40:28.920 --> 01:40:32.520
It's uh, I don't know, it's interesting, But what do
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01:40:32.520 --> 01:40:33.920
you guys think?
1542
01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:37.000
Well, I saw that story and I thought of you
1543
01:40:37.119 --> 01:40:39.560
right away, David, and I thought it also went well
1544
01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:42.760
with the topic of today's podcast, which was a horror episode,
1545
01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:45.079
so that's why I put it in there. I'm all,
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01:40:45.199 --> 01:40:51.279
I'm always thinking these things out. I try to anyways, Okay, yeah,
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01:40:51.359 --> 01:40:54.119
I mean anything anything would startsuck. I'll check it out.
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01:40:54.960 --> 01:40:57.039
It'll probably be on Steam, so I can probably pick
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01:40:57.079 --> 01:40:59.439
it up over there nice once it comes out. I
1550
01:40:59.479 --> 01:41:04.399
do although do a PS five, so we'll see. But
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01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:08.840
I'll probably check it out. And since Michelle Forbes is
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01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:12.319
playing the character, you know, I'm assuming she's gonna voice
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01:41:12.319 --> 01:41:13.680
it is what they mean, So.
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01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:16.840
Yeah, it could be probably like an RPTE I would imagine,
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01:41:16.880 --> 01:41:18.600
but I don't know. I've never heard of it.
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01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:24.079
So anyways, all right, guys, and I've got the final
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01:41:24.199 --> 01:41:28.640
story of the Evening. Star Trek's Strange New World's horror
1558
01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:32.319
episode scares up bigger streaming audiences than the season four
1559
01:41:32.840 --> 01:41:37.159
debut Star Treks. Strange New World started its fourth seasons
1560
01:41:37.159 --> 01:41:41.800
strong with quite an entertaining time travel from Mere Dallas,
1561
01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:46.800
Marinaris on July twenty third. Unfortunately, the first Strange New
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01:41:46.840 --> 01:41:51.239
World's episode of twenty twenty six barely cracked Paramount's Top
1563
01:41:51.359 --> 01:41:56.560
ten Shows Now section at number ten last week, but
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01:41:56.640 --> 01:41:59.960
things changed drastically and for the better with the late
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01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:05.720
installment titled The Griffin Incident. The highly publicized Strange New
1566
01:42:05.720 --> 01:42:09.800
World season four horror story came out screaming and scared
1567
01:42:09.880 --> 01:42:13.319
up nearly a top five debut at number six on
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01:42:13.399 --> 01:42:18.199
the streaming service's Top ten Shows Now list, and according
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01:42:18.199 --> 01:42:22.039
to Flick's Patrol, the Griffin Incident is ranked number seven
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01:42:22.119 --> 01:42:27.239
worldwide top ten shows of Paramount Plus as of Friday,
1571
01:42:27.720 --> 01:42:32.680
July thirty. First, Strange New World's second episode also ranked
1572
01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:37.119
as the top content overall, whether it's being shows or
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01:42:37.159 --> 01:42:42.560
films on Paramount Plus in the number of countries including Australia, France,
1574
01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:46.560
Germany and Italy. Meanwhile, the Griffin Incident helped Strange New
1575
01:42:46.560 --> 01:42:51.119
Worlds ranked as the top series in Austria, Canada and Switzerland.
1576
01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:54.760
So how did this surprisingly graphic ghost story fair in
1577
01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:59.000
the United States. Well, Strange New World's landed at number
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01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:03.199
three on the Paramount Plus's Top ten in the US
1579
01:43:03.479 --> 01:43:07.680
as of July thirty, first only behind number ones Criminal
1580
01:43:07.720 --> 01:43:12.600
Minds and number two's South Park. In addition, Strange New
1581
01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:14.920
Worlds and that the number two spot on the top
1582
01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:20.920
ten overall Amazon, with only the number ones Avatar Aim
1583
01:43:21.039 --> 01:43:25.399
The Last Airbender ranking higher, and new episodes of Strange
1584
01:43:25.439 --> 01:43:30.239
New Worlds season four drop every Thursday on Pairmount Plus.
1585
01:43:30.840 --> 01:43:37.680
So that's interesting, which I'm going to bring up here
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01:43:38.119 --> 01:43:43.479
Starfleet Academy because I have to. So they're talking about
1587
01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:48.039
Paramount Plus's top ten shows, not this Nielsen Craft, not
1588
01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:52.119
all this other stuff. Paramount Plus has their own numbers.
1589
01:43:52.119 --> 01:43:54.279
They know what shows you're watching. Every time you click
1590
01:43:54.319 --> 01:43:56.079
on a show, they know you watched it and how
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01:43:56.119 --> 01:44:00.399
long you watched it. So I find it interesting that
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01:44:01.439 --> 01:44:04.479
they canceled Strange New Worlds because it wasn't getting the viewership.
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01:44:04.479 --> 01:44:07.880
But they never we never really saw they never told
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01:44:07.920 --> 01:44:14.159
us anything about it. So that anyway, that my friends
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01:44:14.199 --> 01:44:17.840
wraps up our podcast for the night. What do you think?
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01:44:17.880 --> 01:44:19.920
Did you have a good time? Did everything flow well?
1597
01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:21.239
You know?
1598
01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:22.840
What do you think?
1599
01:44:23.800 --> 01:44:24.039
Yeah?
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01:44:24.800 --> 01:44:30.960
Yeah, online the whole time? Yeah yeah, and he only
1601
01:44:31.039 --> 01:44:34.960
turned blue it was a couple of times. Yeah, with whatever,
1602
01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:35.600
I don't know.
1603
01:44:38.079 --> 01:44:42.760
Yeah, so we will be back, same bad time, same
1604
01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:45.279
bad channel. Eric will be with us next week, and
1605
01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:48.199
I'm sure he'll have all kinds of fun stories about
1606
01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:51.760
leaving business cars on your halls when he gets back.
1607
01:44:51.560 --> 01:44:56.840
From him when he comes back, will he be pining
1608
01:44:57.199 --> 01:44:59.039
for the fewards?
1609
01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:08.399
So I will be talking about the episode which is
1610
01:45:08.439 --> 01:45:12.840
on tonight. I don't remember the name of it, Human.
1611
01:45:12.640 --> 01:45:14.119
Friends or human.
1612
01:45:15.840 --> 01:45:19.079
Yeah. I'm going to go and watch that right after
1613
01:45:19.119 --> 01:45:21.359
the podcast because I don't have to get up for work.
1614
01:45:21.239 --> 01:45:25.720
In the morning, and I'm going to.
1615
01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:29.199
Run over and watch it. So there and we'll be
1616
01:45:29.239 --> 01:45:32.239
talking about that episode next week. Eric will be back
1617
01:45:32.239 --> 01:45:35.399
with us and we're going to have a grand old time.
1618
01:45:35.439 --> 01:45:38.359
So please guys head over to check Talking and Beyond
1619
01:45:38.399 --> 01:45:42.720
on Facebook. Please like and follow us and share our posts.
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01:45:43.159 --> 01:45:45.119
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01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:48.560
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a subscriber. It's only ninety nine cents a month that
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01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:55.640
helps us keep the podcast going. I'm your most excellent host,
1624
01:45:55.760 --> 01:46:00.920
Uncle Jim saying to everybody, please live along in and
1625
01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:03.279
thank you so much to Charles for hanging out and
1626
01:46:03.359 --> 01:46:07.439
trek talking with us. Thank you, Charles, Thank you Jim.
1627
01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:08.159
It was fun.
1628
01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:12.720
Needed the break, and of course then it was. It
1629
01:46:12.840 --> 01:46:15.319
was a fun distraction. And thank you so much to
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01:46:15.399 --> 01:46:17.840
v for hanging out CORECT talking with us as well.
1631
01:46:17.920 --> 01:46:23.159
Thank you, and of course thank you to David for
1632
01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:25.880
making all these awesome videos and hanging out with us
1633
01:46:25.880 --> 01:46:26.920
as well. Thank you, David.
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01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:28.640
I give you a Propa guy nod.
1635
01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:34.560
And of course thank you so much to Paul for
1636
01:46:34.600 --> 01:46:36.600
hanging out and Shrek talking with us as well. Thank
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01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:37.720
you so much, Paul.
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01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:41.279
Brief bonus content coming at you, just to let everybody
1639
01:46:41.359 --> 01:46:44.159
know I was lucky enough to get out there. Check
1640
01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:49.640
what's the latest Spider Man movie? This week at the
1641
01:46:49.680 --> 01:46:53.520
box office? Over a billion freaking dollars in a week
1642
01:46:53.960 --> 01:46:58.960
and deservedly so. It's fantastic, I would say, really really
1643
01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:04.560
good stuff. It's not retreading anything, it's not, you know, boring,
1644
01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:11.680
it's super exciting, amazing cast, and it feels like a legit, solid, reverential, cool,
1645
01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:16.479
action filled smart comic book when you watch it, I
1646
01:47:16.560 --> 01:47:20.079
highly recommend it big screen. Don't wait for home video
1647
01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:23.720
on this thing. Okay, it's a knockout.
1648
01:47:22.920 --> 01:47:25.880
And Paul I actually went to see it as well,
1649
01:47:26.520 --> 01:47:28.840
and I agree with you. I think Marvel has the
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01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:32.159
magic back. They are lacking in a lot of their
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01:47:32.279 --> 01:47:36.039
recent movies, but boy, oh boy, they got it back
1652
01:47:36.079 --> 01:47:40.319
in this one. It had everything that that that you'd expect,
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01:47:40.880 --> 01:47:43.800
a lot of fun and it picks up a lot
1654
01:47:43.800 --> 01:47:46.239
of the threads that had been left hanging in previous movies.
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01:47:46.680 --> 01:47:51.880
I think that Bruce Banner's cameo is awesome. I really
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like the way they use the Black Widow in this
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movie as well.
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And Sadi think is great. Sadie think is terrific. She's
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really really good in this.
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Yeah, and she you know, uh. Punisher was also good.
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And a lot of characters that we've seen from like
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other shows on teas that are popular TV. And we
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have actors from like The Bear, we have actors from Severance,
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a lot of really cool small parts from other actors
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in here. But it just really delivers. It's beautifully made.
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It's super cool. So yeah, if you're even remotely on
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the fence, it's just go see this in the theater.
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You'll have an amazingly fun time.
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It's really good stuff. Glad you enjoyed it, Uncle Jim. Well,
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in fact, back to what you were saying the theater
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was sold out when we went to see it. When's
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the last time he went to was sold out theater?
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Well, like a week or two ago for the Odyssey.
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It's crazy. These two pictures, fascinating thing. Tom Hollins and Daya.
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And I'm always spacing out on his name, the guy
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who plays a punisherr Oh, that's the character's name, but
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you know the guy I mean, right, the apologies that
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I'm forgetting his name, but both all three of those
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guys are in both movies. They're in the Odyssey together,
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and they're in and they're in the Spider Man movie together,
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which is just nuts, right, I need to imagine that.
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You say, yeah, my last two movies collectively brought in
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two billion dollars in like a week. I mean, that
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is just John Barenthal. That's what I'm trying to think of.
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Who plays the Punisher from like The Walking Dead and
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stuff like that. He's got a big part in the
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Odyssey as well. Really, I hate the Punisher because he's
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a big gun guy, right, and so I've never liked
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the Punisher. I love the character in this movie though,
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because he was really engaging and relatable and you know,
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had a soft heart. For the first time, I liked
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The Punisher thanks to John Barenthals. He really did a really, really,
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really good job of not just being a cliche.
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So I need to movies.
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It's super fun. I mean those are both like to
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miss those two movies of anything this year you got
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to see him in the big screen. They're just remarkable,
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I mean, like movie history.
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So I agree, I think that I think him is
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the Man had a really good rapport together. They really
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played well off of each other.
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Yeah, and it's just it's it's just super entertaining, and
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01:50:08.279 --> 01:50:10.319
it's just you know, we're getting our first seeds planted
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for the X Men coming into the Marvel universe. Now
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I am no spoilers, but it's just it's it's it's
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01:50:16.439 --> 01:50:18.239
pretty damn cool the way they do it, and so
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I'm really excited for this is of course, all building
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up to December's you know, Avengers Doomday with Doctor Doom.
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So we're But if it's as good as this Spider
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Man movie is man look at the printing money like
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crazy and nice in December, it's crazy, good sufferings.
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Awesome, really good stuff. All right, guys, Well, I'm Uncle Jim,
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and I'm saying everybody please stay safe and be good
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to each other, and hailing frequencies are closed. Good night,
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everybody not all live long and prosper.
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Eat your vegetables.
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Two and number one, you're the captain.
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M okay, okay, ready for warm sir.
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H.
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M hm.
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Okay. Alright, well guys, that is alright, no big deal.
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All right, guys, we'll see you guys all next week.
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We're going to talk about strange new worlds. You get
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a little bonus ending hair because usually we cut before
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01:52:01.680 --> 01:52:05.039
we leave the studio.
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That's okay, so the fans get to see eat your vegetables.
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All right, guys, thanks a lot of whom you enjoyed
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the show.
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We'll see you, thanks, friends, Bye bye,