What Happens After Death? | Nicole Kerr's NDE & The Veil Between Worlds

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome, I'm your host Paula Scatalone, the founder of Transformative Formanix, the podcast that offers listeners a synthesis of ancient wisdom and modern science.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, listeners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Transformative Formanix, I'm your host Paula Scatalone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today my guest is someone I've known since the 90s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We met when we were both opening the program called Ipono, which was an outpatient program for eating disorders and we were
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of the ground crew that got the program off the ground, we've kept in touch and she's had a lot of life experience as I have during that time, but at this time she is here to talk about a subject that I haven't inkling about when we first met and everything has sort of culminated now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's written a book and she is out there sharing her message with the world
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nicole Curr is an award-winning health expert, a speaker, and a best-selling author.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's appeared on CNN, PBS, CBS, ABC, and the Food Channel, a host of other shows to share her unique perspective on wellness nutrition and now spirituality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today, Nicole is here to talk about very personal subject,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, for the past 30 years, she has worked in many sectors of society, including our government, non-profits, military, academia, healthcare, and institutions like hospitals and corporate settings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She is a registered dietitian and nutritionist, a neuro-emotional technique practitioner in energy medicine, student, and is certified in holistic stress.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Treatment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As a disabled veteran of the U.S. Air Force, Nicole Nail maintains a part-time private practice primarily using neuroemotional technique targeting often overlooked domains of emotional energy and spiritual well-being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to welcome Nicole to this episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that this gets you something to think about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It might be the type of episode that you might want to go back
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[SPEAKER_00]: because we are going to walk into some uncharted territories and topics today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope you enjoy it and I'll see you on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello guests, welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today I am here to talk about a topic that I've had on my mind for a while and been waiting for the right moment to present it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's pieces in the awakening journey that all of us are engaging,
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[SPEAKER_00]: leaf system, and the topic of death is certainly one of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have someone fortunately or unfortunately that I've known and have a personal relationship with, so she's vetted by me and trusted, and she's an authority of her own right from being an author.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to being someone involved in some pivotal changes in Hawaii in the food and health industry to having her own experience and wisdom that comes from being involved in some of the infrastructure of our foundations of our government, working for the government.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's a solid, seasoned soul who's been around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to hear this story, I invite you to find the back of your chair
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[SPEAKER_00]: whether you're driving or sitting to settle in, to take a few breaths, and to ask yourself am I ready to listen to a podcast because we are going to talk about deaf, we are going to talk about some things that might be challenging to hear, but also some beautiful eye-opening expansive pieces to this conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just giving that consent full-body consent before
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[SPEAKER_00]: slowing down if you'd like to on your exhale you can sigh or hum or just give your vagus nerve a little support so that there's some space as Nicole and I
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[SPEAKER_00]: Walk you through a topic that you can have a lot of emotional reactions to and a lot of beliefs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, can be a tender topic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Nicole, I am so pleased to sit with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After so much time has passed between us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We met in Hawaii.
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[SPEAKER_00]: so many years ago when I and you were both on the same clinical team with the need to Johnston, that's why you were the nutritionist and I was the lead therapist and we were creating a program that didn't exist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something from nothing and then you went on from there to be very pivotal in in Hawaii and in real gift to the community there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I left earlier
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[SPEAKER_00]: although in you and Paul were two of the people that I knew I was going to miss when we decided to leave went on my journey but we stayed in touch after all these years and now you're in North Carolina with me in the south we're both like what are we doing here in the south this is crazy
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I hear from your story, you know, that is part of your lineage, you know, your understanding of how people move through the world in the culture, and so it's a perfect place in a way for you to be at this time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, and I'm only 30 minutes from Camp Lijoon, Marine Corps Base, which is where I was born.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have come, letters, and geographically, full circle in my life here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can't make this step up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is good to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to have to say hello, huh?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that greeting to me, I lived it for 17 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it means so much to me in my heart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For those of you who don't know what a low-high is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not only hello and goodbye when you hear that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: compassion it's kindness and it's this mutual respect people have for one another and we definitely have that not only in our career past but in our friendship and we have just do we have a kayak together, canoeed together and so many amazing things and it's so good to reconnect with you and be in the same state with you and you're blazing again another new program
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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like I don't know either where to say like a soul mission, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're following that mission, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know mind's creating the podcast of school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yours is putting these pieces together of your life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know when we met each other that you had a story to tell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I've been on the edge of my seat since we met.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Waiting, what's the story?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I read your book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've given it to several people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's helped so much, especially those that are aging and moving towards death to bring some comfort and to bring some sense of hope to some of what we've been given and spoon fed as, you know, what happens when we transition from the physical body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and because of your unique experience, I just thought you'd be the perfect person to talk about this topic with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely my pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Death is a very difficult topic to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we wanted to just put it off to the side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe we are a depth denial society.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just don't want to think it's going to happen to us, you know, and we
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[SPEAKER_01]: We really don't keep it top of mind and realize, you know, when we begin our day, we just don't know what's going to happen throughout the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we may not see the person that we saw yesterday and, you know, things happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were all, all of us are one phone call away from something traumatic or, you know, or one accident away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we just don't ever know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not that I want people to keep death at the top of their mind all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But be present with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, as you go throughout your day, this may be the last time I talk to this person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So how do I want to leave this conversation?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you see someone, you know, and you know, you hug them, that may be the last time you hug them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is a lot of regret that people have when someone does pass is, oh my God, the last time I saw them, I didn't hug them, I didn't tell them how I felt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't show them whatever it was I wanted to show them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so take the time and be present with that now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And say what you need to say to people, you know, I mean, yes, still have your boundaries and all these other things, but you know start start being in the moment with it and realize that every day really is a yes, none of us are guaranteed tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's really is I'm really hoping to change the narrative around death from one of kind of, you know, most writers talk about it in a doom and gloom and negative kind of way, but my experience and the experience of thousands of other millions of other people that have had near death experiences is really the complete opposite it's this one of love and light and this 100% brilliance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: just of creation, of love, of acceptance, of knowing that you're eternal, and when you come at it from that point and look at the greater context of your life within,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the world and in your soul's evolution, you find so much more peace about it is what I have found.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But one thing that I've had to address and the mission that I was given from the other side directly by an angel was told to not fear death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I came back and remembered that 19 years after my NDE, which was a car crash,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was like, angels come on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big topic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a big topic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a fear death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's so many religions, there's so many denominations to everyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm as a different set of rules to get to have it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is not a, this is a big assignment, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just sitting here going, how do you even tackle this, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the first thing I did was I decided I was going to write a book, you know, and that book is subdued, you are depless.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it took me 13 years people to write this book, you know, I, even though I worked at CDC, I wrote a lot of scientific type of article, someone good writer, but to write something about your own actual experience about what happened to you and do it in an authentic way and not to
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[SPEAKER_01]: not to keep things out of it because I didn't want to offend my parents or I didn't want to offend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to tell my truth, no strings attached and it's not that it didn't care what they didn't think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Spirit basically said, you've got to tell your truth, even if it is, if it disagrees with other people in your family and causes fractures or whatever, you have to speak your truth of what you saw and what you experienced on the other side because that now is my
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[SPEAKER_01]: It caused me to be on this spiritually transformative journey, you know, since my memory came back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just been, you know, it's been a journey about, you know, any of you that are going through it or have been, we're still on it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in different pieces.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's, um, it's a big mission.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to do, and I have been doing my part to help bring the alternative way for people to think about things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to look at things maybe through a different lens and hopefully alleviate the fears because, you know, if you think about it, when you're in fear, you want to control and you want to fix things, right, that's a good sign that you're in a fear say, but a lot of our limiting belief.
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[SPEAKER_01]: causes to proceed things that are not right and that's why it's so important to get it your limiting belief systems and to really unpack them because they activate your irrational fears and that those are what drive you a lot of times in one fear that almost all of us have unconsciously is
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[SPEAKER_01]: fearing death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can tell you from my experience, I did feel fear death before I died.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was pronounced clinically dead at the side of the accident for at least 15 minutes before the first responders got there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The people that saw the crash came out and checked us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't get any signs of life on me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they went in and got a blanket and covered me up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it took you know, EMS a while to get to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that whole time I was under the blanket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was I was to go on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was already on the other side, but the memory of the other side did not come back for another 19 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once the memory came back, that's when I really understood what was what I experienced and why I had felt so honestly depressed and alone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and anxious for the last 19 years because the only sign that I even had in your death experience was these white lights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is Raymond Moody, who is probably like the last saw there of near death experiences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He talks about one of the most shared consistent features of Indie East is this indescribable brilliant white light that most of us experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to me that was the love of God because I felt no fear in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had no pain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had no suffering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was nothing negative at all about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I felt like an astronaut floating around in outer space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just awe and wonder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that really is what I want us to change the narrative of death around is it is the all the wonder of going back home from where we came from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the timeline between the time you die and the time you're on the other side is heat to tangy sweet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, it's like you just like you are sleeping, you wake up, you know, from maybe an operation, you know, they put you under and all of a sudden it's like, okay, this karma skirt wake up, wake up, you know, and I'm going, oh wow, they already did it, you know, and it's, it's that instantaneous, you're just you close your eyes one moment and then you, you know, you're open and on the next and you're in a whole different dimension.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no pain at all attached to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, people asked me that all the time, did you feel the pain?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, no, because my soul left my body before the impact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for, I can guarantee 99.9% of those people that have experienced instantaneous or traumatic type of desks, like a car crash, like I had, when it is that impactful, your soul will
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[SPEAKER_01]: hit the ground.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your body physically experiences all the pain into the stay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's never come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I see you in the pain there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a different story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, actual, when my soul was out of my body, there was, you know, there's no pain because I could look down and see my body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see, I wasn't in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as soon as my soul got back in the body, you know, and reconnected and was conscious again, that's when the pain body should back up, you know, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the cool thing I have to say this because it's really cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing about when I was in my paramedic is the one that really was responsible for this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had to do a sternal knuckle press to see if they could get any sign of life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, he was doing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At that moment, my soul, I was already on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He came back in through that right eye, and they were able to get a blood pressure of 60 over 0.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, that's still in and out of death, right, because you need to be in a better boat, 120 over 80.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I love that, because I heard that saying a lot, and I just thought, why do we say something like that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was the portal, the entryway for the soul to come back in, and they got a heart deco when again after that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just find that means that's the dating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me kind of summarize what because that's so much to take in here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I can't go in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, you got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we've introduced the concept of the fear of death, and that being the premise of what you were given as your mission to come back and to write this book, which you've done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then within that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is also a lot of different belief systems that people have about the other side, about what happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the book kind of walks us through those beliefs and some yours as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that you unpacked through in those years before the memory came back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot about beliefs and how this beliefs influence us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's the death experience itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm wondering if we take this and say okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in that part where you started to remember you were then began to unpack those belief systems, which were the ones that became the the most important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's so many in the book,
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's this element of, you know, I was taught by my soul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, these things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if we can maybe kind of hold that framework and see which belief systems pop up in the conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tyler, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My belief system about God shaped my relationship with death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that it does for everyone because how you're raised in terms of whether you believe in God or don't believe in God are religion that you're raised in, that is gonna shape your relationship with death because they all talk about death because it's the only thing that is going to happen to every single one of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody is gonna get away is gonna get out of this world but that you have to die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of the religions talk about it, but they all have a different theology or a different belief system about what happens when you die or what your experience is going to be when you die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you can take from the majority of the collective indie experiences
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[SPEAKER_01]: God is not punishing on one hand, but loving on the other hand, you know, and that's the way I was raised and that they're set of rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't follow them, then you're not good enough and you won't get into heaven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And all these, these belief, these, these teachings and these rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: get instilled in you at a very young age and they really set up a system of fear in your body operating system of fear about being a good person and doing the right things and seeking forgiveness and it really sets you up with this concept of being a bad person which is really unfortunate because we're you know it's really
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[SPEAKER_01]: I call it spiritual trauma and that's exactly what it is in my opinion is not that our spirit can be traumatized because it can't, but when you believe that you have to have somebody or something external in order to get to God, that causes the fallout between your mind body soul.
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[SPEAKER_01]: alignment because you're now giving your power over to something else to get you to go somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're seeking answers externally and set it internally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I went to the other side, I experienced God or my understanding of God in a whole new light.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and it wasn't just white light.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just so it was really a whole wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have this wrong, you know, or oh my god, this is just not true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was such a eye-opening experience for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's taken me a while to digest that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then how do I operate in
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[SPEAKER_01]: this world with that different belief system because anybody who has an NDE reentry into the earth is traumatic okay because you have these experiences and you have these understandings like we don't die I mean yes are we physically die but our soul lives on we are eternal okay so I was never raised with that concept you know I thought oh when you're gone you're going
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was really a relief to realize that we, our consciousness, our, our soul lives on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was like, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to know, you know, you're going to see your, your friend, your family, friends, your pets on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was taught that pets didn't have a soul.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't going to be on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that just crushed me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They definitely have souls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My opinion is that pets come from the angelic realm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're not angels per se, but they teach us about expanding our capacity for love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are always there for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then sometimes, I think that's another thing is that when you experience it in the EU, you experience this unconditional love, and then you come back to earth, and there's so many conditions around love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's very hard to understand why can't you just put me ahead of your belief system that I have to believe in Jesus in order for you to accept me the way you believe in Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't, and I don't want the relationship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's even when you have that experience that it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: what you do or who you're, I mean, you're unconditionally loved, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a very hard thing to come back and see it play out in real time again when you know that's not who we really are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the biggest pieces of the experience, I mean, everything was big, everything, but it's just a fundamental knowingness in your bones and your body and your psyche in your
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[SPEAKER_00]: And not many people get that have that wisdom, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that that is the gift in the experiences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was free.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was really free and it really helped tamp down the fear to know that I Nicole live on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that I actually, and this blew my mind, I have had other life experiences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and that my soul builds on these life experiences and it evolves and that's part of why we come down here to evolve our soul and to grow and to expand our capacity for love and consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and to learn these
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[SPEAKER_01]: lessons for a lack of a better word that we signed up for, you know, and all of it is about raising our vibration and tuning into who we really are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what I realized is we're all an eternal spark of God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God is not a part from us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God is within us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I told my mother that and she told me that I was being blasphemous because she's they're very religious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Southern
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[SPEAKER_01]: she could not accept the concept of what I experienced because it did not match the religious beliefs that she'd been brought up with and that she had taught us and she can't, she couldn't and to the state, she can understand why I have strayed from the church and the beliefs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is probably the other hardest thing about the beliefs about family is always going to be there and family loves you no matter what, you know, they say it, but then when you go down your own path and light and develop your own beliefs and develop your own experiences that shape your beliefs and they don't align with your family of origin, then all of a sudden, the door closes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Another thing from coming back from NDEs is there's a strain in those close relationships and it can lead the experience or feeling isolated and like the world is hard to relate to because these people who were supposed to be there no matter what are finally saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that can't be true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is not true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're making this up and I really had to deal with that because the the time gap was 19 years before my memory came back and people just said, well, you're making it up, you know, and I
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had to really work with myself and understand what repressed memories were to understand how that trauma had been stored in my body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when I felt safe, and when I felt like I had the resources to help me deal with it because it was so huge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you guys, it totally changed who I was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, everything in my life has changed as a result of that crash, you know, I cannot handle unsensitive to toxins, smoke, alcohol, you know, I just, I just energies with people, you know, I don't like big crowds, I don't like, you know, there's so much in me that
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[SPEAKER_01]: fundamentally changed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's hard to just really accept that you're no way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just can't go along with the crowd anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just can't go along with what others are thinking it's like I have to be true to myself and I have to speak out when you're sitting here telling me this for I just walk away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: don't share the same belief systems everybody else in your neighborhood does, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially in in the south.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this this ability to stand in your sovereignty and in your truth and in your embodied experience regardless is
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think part of what many of us in different ways in yourself in this way is we're cultivating that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to do that and with this topic, I mean, this is a really loaded topic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a one people have a lot of opinions about, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's interesting, yeah, where you're positioned in the world with this message.
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[SPEAKER_01]: not many people get to talk about it's sounding like it's sounding like in the book you are talking about a life review yes yes can you share more well actually that is one of the lessons you know during a life review you're going to have that when you when you cross over and basically for those of you who may not understand a life review is we everything that
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[SPEAKER_01]: how we learn it, what we say, what we do, what we think during our physical life, how it impacts ourselves, others and the world, mother Earth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're going to feel what the other person felt, what mother Earth felt, what the animals felt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, the good and the bad, you know, so it's an important
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[SPEAKER_01]: to start being mindful of your actions, your words, and what you're doing to yourself to others and the world, because if you are hurting others, you are going in that life review to feel that hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you think about people that are very evil and that are hurting a lot of people, even somebody like Hitler, I believe that man is still going through his life review.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All these
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[SPEAKER_01]: time is not linear on the other side, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is no time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard to imagine this, but it can take a long time for somebody who has done horrendous and evil things to get through a life review because they have to feel it for every person that they impact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with their decisions, with their, even though they may not pull the trigger, they're the one that said to do it, you know, all of this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there is spiritual accountability, even if there may not be
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[SPEAKER_01]: physical accountability the way we want justice to work here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's been a really freeing concept for me as well because the guy who was driving the vehicle I was a passenger and was strong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And his dad was a three-star general and he was able to get him off the charges of the vehicular saw driving under the influence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because of his position and his rank in the military.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I felt he didn't suffer any consequences as a result and he's never apologized.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's an alcoholic and I didn't feel like justice was done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So justice to me being done in the world who's been a huge trigger when it's not done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to understand the idea that there's a spiritual justice and I have to allow that to play out has helped me tampon down that trigger and let go of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know how you're getting real frustrated with it all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing that's important to understand on the other side is you're never judged.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was another freeing belief system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, another message that came through that I just really appreciate because I was always taught you're going to be judged on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was better good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've learned
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[SPEAKER_01]: to understand, you know, put good and bad in a context.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll, you know, we'll say something as good and then it's got to have the polarity of bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But on the other side, bad doesn't exist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all good, so you don't have that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's no judgment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want people to try to not even try.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to quick judging yourself, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that is some of the worst,
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[SPEAKER_01]: judgment of ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're so hard on ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that we need to let go of that, because nobody is judging us, except making the ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, others may judge you, but there's no judgment trying you're going to be going to, you know, please.
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[SPEAKER_01]: have compassion on yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please forgive yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please know you're doing the best you can at any moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when we're shaming ourselves and shooting ourselves, I should have done this, I should have done that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tell people, take, should add to your vocabulary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the lowest vibration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: most negative shaming message you can ever give yourself or others when you tell them they should have done this or tell yourself that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you can start with not judging yourself you're going to be able to expand that to not judge others and that's very hard in the times that we're living in right now with the different diversity and polarity and divisiveness that's going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and understand that there's a bigger picture going on here that's needing to happen with the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It needs to be reset, okay, on all levels and that this is having to happen on an order for it to be reset and for there to be respect and equality for all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So please, you're not going to be judged on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So please quit doing it here on to yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Be a good message.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When, so you've got, you have these beautiful lessons laid out in the book, one by one that are sounds like, you know, lessons your own soul went through, like, let's take this lesson a call.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's teach you about legacy trauma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's teach you about how the trauma works and what spiritual bypassing is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a big topic these days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's gaslighting, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and for people in the spiritual community, I mean, there is such a thing as spiritual bypassing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think most of us, you know, I actually talk about it in my book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was, let me see her,
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[SPEAKER_01]: page it was on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, spiritual bypassing is a term that I can never even heard of, but I think it's really important for those of us in the spiritual community to understand that term and it happens when we use spirituality at least in a mental understanding of it to avoid painful feelings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and my book, I say it is no matter how enlightened your beliefs are,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like an example would be a woman recently had told me that she went to visit her family of origin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, how did it go?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she said, you know what Nicole is pretty rough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I lost my temper with my dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't, you know, I just walked out on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't nice to my mother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she said, you know, my best friend said, well, you shouldn't react to him because he's just unconscious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so she's dismissing
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[SPEAKER_01]: the way I handle the situation and just trying to tell me, oh, he's just unconscious and I should just allow that to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's called spiritual bypassing, you know, and it's really subtle, but it happens a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So do you just need to have your antennas up for that one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it, I mean, there's many ways that we deflect from experiencing what's happening in the body and your book talks about that connection and the importance of feeling the emotions which is a big part of your story, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to feel is to heal, and I have to tell you, I think growing up in the South, or maybe just the US, we are an emotionally illiterate country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have about four feelings, bad, mad, sad and loud, you know, and then I just, you know, I really understood it when I got into this, this neuroemotional technique, when I was having these stomach problems, I would just start belching like I had been drinking beer or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like a monk seal is like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and it started in my 50s and I didn't understand what in the world was going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to the gastroenterologist, I went to all these doctors and they said, now you're colon spine, even though you had some issues, but no, there's nothing going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you have something physically going on with you and there's no organic reason that the doctors can find you so why it should be going on, I'm telling you, you gotta look at your emotions, and whether you are feeling them or not or look at your lifestyle and nutrition and what you're doing to yourself there or your environment, but I think a lot of it is emotional repression with people because we are so conditioned to not feel certain emotions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know I grew up with a belief system of you never hurt your mother, okay, to hurt her is like, you just, you know, that's one of the rules you just don't hurt your mother, you know, you'd love her and that's it, even though she may do things to you that are inappropriate or toxic or mean or whatever you still have to love her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Another one is don't get angry, you know, so you push all of these emotions down and you get cut off, you know, and I was very much in my head by whole life, you know, I used my intellect and my mind to get me through so much in life and I was so disconnected and that's what the eating disorder is about a lot of times as well as the disconnection between the body and the mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I did develop an eating disorder as a result of not getting mental health help for the trauma of the car wreck because my parents believed and told the doctor when they said the colonized psychotherapy for her trauma that Jesus was our psychiatrist and psychologists and
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was really hard because I really believed that Jesus was my friend and Jesus was going to be there and Jesus would help me and the eating disorder just got worse and worse and worse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um, back then it was known as compulsive overeating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today, it's binge eating and we got a lot of health for it, but back in the 80s, it was still kind of a new concept and I couldn't understand it and no matter what my willpower was, I couldn't just stop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I talk a lot about this in the book because it plagued me and I say, plague me for 20 years and it wasn't until my memory came back and I understood what happened in the car and on the other side that I was able to let go of hating myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and feeling like I had done something so horrific, you know, by getting in that car with a guy who'd been drinking, you know, makes such a terrible mistake because my parents, and especially my father, told me, you know, you disobeyed me, you got in a car with a guy who'd been drinking, you know, I told you not to date cadets, even though you're going to school with 4,000 guys, you know, I know smoking, you know, drinking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I'm thinking, this is college, this is what we're supposed to do is kind of like push our boundaries a little but no is a good girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't supposed to even do that in 19 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, my whole world and thinking that I was this good girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted a bad thing happen to a good girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All that belief system just crumbled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because here I was, you know, laid up in a bed for four months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not even sure if I could walk again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My whole life changed with that car crash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that, as I look back on it, is what needed to happen, Paula, for me, to bust through all of the layers of conditioning that had been put upon me that I was suffocating under,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was my time to really break through and transform and get this lesson about who God really is there is no fear of dying you just will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: go back to where you came from and you'll reset and if you need to come again to learn another lesson you'll come again and if not you'll stay over there and that you know on the other side it's just beyond beautiful there really is no words to absolutely describe everything over there but i can tell you that spirits and angels
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[SPEAKER_01]: Spirit guides and angels are real.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are on the other side to help us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we need to ask for their help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only thing they ask is they say, you have to ask for our help because we have something called free will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're not going to interfere with that free will unless we ask them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's so important to develop a relationship with your guide, your angels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We all have guardian angels, bird angels, whatever you want to call
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they're not going to leave us until we leave for good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: The way I grew up, I didn't know that that existed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know I could have a relationship with the spiritual side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The entities are the guys, the spiritual realm, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that when you have that, you realize you're never alone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's another message that I want people to understand is even though you may be physically alone, you're not alone because you have so many guides and angels that are working on your behalf
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[SPEAKER_01]: and you can talk to your deceased loved ones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are on the other side and will help you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And your pets are over there as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm delighted to tell everybody because I didn't think our salt pets don't have a soul and it crushed me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they do, of course, they do, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really do, you know, they just, they show us how to,
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[SPEAKER_01]: expand our consciousness of love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They really did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There were little angels and disguises how I look at them, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well let me, let me backtrack just a bit to one thing you just said, which was, and I know how you frame it in the book and how you are sharing the story is that this tragic accident occurred.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was the rebuilding of you who you were, but then
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was the unraveling that began 13-19-19 years ago, okay, and in that unraveling these lessons came.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the lessons was about those on the other side, and that came from your own experience of talking to your mom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And can you tell us a little bit about that night?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was in meditation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The beach in Hawaii is out where it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's when I was talking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was in as a result of this crash I've had ongoing chronic medical issues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My entire adult life and one of them is migraines and from a traumatic brain injury that I received.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was once again in a lot of going through a cycle of being in a lot of pain again, a lot of suffering, and I lived, that Kawaii excuse me, uh, Oahu on the winward side, and I went to walk on the beach one day, and I was really questioning the angels that they're there to help, you know, why am I, why am I still going through all of this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, why is it still so hard?
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[SPEAKER_01]: After all this time and everything I keep processing, it just seems like this should be getting easier, should be getting lighter and
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just finally, you know, I knew I had guides, I knew I had angels, but I didn't really feel I had a connection to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just called it, I said, you know, I need some evidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to know what is your name?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I really want to know what your name is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they typically don't name, you know, angels, but I think they understand where human and we need some kind of evidence to realize that they're there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just heard this voice in my head, I'm Sarah Fina.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, and I was like, what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, that's not a name that's like set a lot, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so when these kind of answers come to you, you really do need to stop and stand back and go wait a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That really is that intuitive part of you, that Claire's whatever you are, Claire,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the spirit realm, communicating with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is how you're going to start interpreting it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was floored.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really was like, I needed evidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you guys, they will give you evidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know people think I am crazy when I ask for a parking space in a crowded lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will ask the angels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, to this day, they have not failed me once.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of times I'll forget, honestly, and then all of a sudden when I can't fight when I go, oh, angels, and sure enough, if I will just be patient, here, or pulls out a card, and didn't put on their lights or something, you know, it never fails.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They will answer, but you have to be open to how they answer, and it may not be in the way that you think it needs to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I also say, I believe in Prater, because Prater is energy,
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's so part of us, it's energy, it's the consciousness, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what we are, that's why you have to protect your energy so much because that's who we are at our essence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been studying energy medicine and that has really helped open up even another realm for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How important it is to make sure that you're zipping yourself up, you know, and that you're taking care of your or, you know, your field, your energy field range and you're protecting that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As you go into situations, especially if you know, there's going to be negative people or toxic people or situations like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it is really helped given me additional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: fortitude around how to manage energy within myself and help direct it in terms of helping mankind as well, which I think that forced collective energy has a,
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[SPEAKER_01]: vibration or presence or, you know, a force behind it that can change things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it really is, you know, the learning is an indie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is the more the more layers we pull the more that's there, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we're just going, oh, there's that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why you got to come back again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: many of them, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, except I don't want to come back and have to repeat what I've done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to know I've been there done that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I put that on my book is my credential feast ED team and they're done that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to get that lesson again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to use that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in in a way that feels manageable because there's so much of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: important story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is all in the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can we just give the listeners a small piece of the story of what happened to you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they know the context of which we're talking about, and just say somebody's had a near death experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if this is part of the podcast that you would prefer to skip over, you can always pause, and because we have given you a little bit of a trigger warning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you can share just a bit that might help set the context for some of the other questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was 19 years old, I had started my sophomore year as a cadet at the United States Air Force Academy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was in one of the first classes actually that admitted females.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was there because my father wanted me to be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was former military and I was
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys, I was such a parent, people, please, or people, please, or a parent, please, or so I would do anything to please my dad and make him proud of me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for me as a woman to be accepted into the prestigious, you know, service academy was a huge, huge thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was so proud of me, because he had been there and graduated in 1960.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I knew for me the day I started boot camp that that was not for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got that clear that my soul was not supposed to be learning how to fight and defend and kill people even if it's for the freedom of American citizens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just not who I was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, but I could never quit because failure in our house was not an option.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I stuck it out even though I was in fear every day of something horrible happening to me or failing out or knowing I was on my not on the right path.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it started my sophomore year, we had a big event with our squadron.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was getting a ride back to the academy from this squadron event, which was at a park outside of Colorado Springs, and my roommate was supposed to take me back, and she wanted to go back with another guy, and he was drunk, because they had provided alcohol at the event.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, she's a nunnacle, I like this guy, I want to take, I want to drive him back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you go back with the other guy over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I said, but he's been drinking and she said, oh, would you get over that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's your father's role, but go have some fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I said, okay, so he had a Corvette convertible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hardly knew the guy, he's like, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's stop at a bar, get a couple beers before we go back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, we have to be back by 7.35.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to get trouble because I knew we had these timelines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, oh, we'll be fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we had two beers, which was the most alcohol I consumed
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, before we got, I remember the bartender saying, are you okay to drive?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we go out and get in his car to go back to the academy, and then Uncle Sinning wants to stop and park and make out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, no, I don't want to do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I said, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we got back in the car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the next thing I remember was waking up in the ICU at Pinterest Community Hospital the next day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the paramedic that arrived on the scene,
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[SPEAKER_01]: He told me later, he came to my hospital room 10 weeks later and told me what happened because I had no memory except for bright white light.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, Nicole, you were in a crash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys hit a boulder, move the boulder, flip the car, and land it on your top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You both were ejected.
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[SPEAKER_01]: people in a house nearby heard it, they came about, called 911.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't get any sign of life in use.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they got a blanket covered you up and just waited for us to arrive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I got there, I could not get any sign of life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the angel I called John Hartling, who was EMT, former Navy SEAL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, no sign of life, no matter what I try to couldn't get it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, so scared, you just weren't going to make it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're making it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he said, I did the only thing I knew you'd love to do was a journal knuckle press, which in the health care field is designed to elicit pain in the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when he did that, he guys the most incredible thing happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he says it, he owns it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're right, I dilated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew you were still alive in the call.
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[SPEAKER_01]: your soul came back in through that right eye.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember that saying our eyes are the window to our soul.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My soul came in through there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, you got a blood pressure of 60 over 0.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, that's still in and out of death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had to do CPR all the way to the
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[SPEAKER_01]: And basically, the extent of my injuries were horrific.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can read about them in the book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to go about them in detail here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Enough to keep me six major operations, formats, and a hospital, you know, got addicted to volume and dimmer all and morphine for being on it for so long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was one thing after another.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a philosophy didn't even know what that was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: it was just massive trauma and massive roller coaster of, you know, in and out of depth, I had two more near-death experiences in the hospital.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But clearly, Spirit creator once me here, you know, his life when you're meant to say they're going to keep you here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, so yeah, that was, um, that's the, the nuts and bolts of the crash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it, they didn't think I'd walk again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They thought I'd have so many more limiting injuries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then 19 years later, when I'm working at CDC is when my memory of the crash came back, to go into Starbucks, like any other day and get my order and all of a sudden, I started remembering exactly how I sat in the Corvette.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand now why I cut out my left foot, you know, because I just had one foot on the dashboard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The other one was over it, kind of laying back in the convertible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just unfolded like a movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was that detailed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I could just see myself going through it in slow motion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then my, I went to my body healer instead of to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was freaked out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know what was going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The use that Nicole, these are repressed memories.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we got to a certain point where I was up in the air and looking down at my body knowing I was dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when an angel came and took me over to the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I could, it's really weird you guys because they don't speak English over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, she could everything through to let it be in vibration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like Casper the Friendly Ghost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have an outline, but we're all translucent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have these bodies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so hard to think of ourselves like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And our eyes, we can see about 45 degrees out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, on the other side of your eyes, you can see 360, the front and the back, and the future, the behind, all at one time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The colors, I came back, I wear bright colors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My house is colorful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I cannot wear black and beige and brown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I always wondered, why do I wear such colorful clothes?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's because on the other side, you guys, they're on more colors than are in the crayola color box.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're, I don't remember them now, but they're more colors than we can even imagine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's things like this that you're just going, oh my gosh, this is unbelievable, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the message that they told me was, you're gonna go back and you're gonna tell people not to fear death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a huge mess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hard and huge, but because we did not like to talk about death here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I was like, oh boy, what's that going to look like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, how am I supposed to do this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really knew, in my soul, I had a write a book, you know, to get it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was, it took me 13 years to write my book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will tell you, that was their beauty for me at one level to tell my story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to not edit it out and to be authentic,
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[SPEAKER_01]: pissed off some people to be honest with you, it's not bear version of Christianity or whatever by experience of love, basically that's the biggest message, is we're all love and we're all oneness, you know, and that's like...
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you pull it down to that, that's pretty all the things that the religion was built on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you just pull it down to that, you don't have to have all that other stuff, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My mother asked me about 10 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I lived in Hawaii, because what's tertiary?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You go to us at church of the beach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to hurt that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, Mom, it's all over town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You should really come in here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The presence of creators, sorts, whatever you want to call it, in nature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where I feel it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where I'm immersed in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I feel the love from Mother Earth, from all sentient beings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why in this human form,
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[SPEAKER_01]: we need to be mindful and to awaken to ourselves, the truth, and to start treating mother earth one another and all sentient beings with respect and equality because it matters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's important and that's what we're resetting our earth to for the next 20-something years it's going to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for sharing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to take a moment to just recognize the potency of your story, the actual event, give people a chance to take a breath a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the ways in which these people come into our lives, we don't always think about, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why does that connect?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I often talk about, you know, when wake up in the morning, each day can be a day where we say, well, I wonder what's gonna happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what magic?
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[SPEAKER_00]: right is going to happen that every little thing and even within a tragedy and a tragedy event, there's still this magic happening in terms of who we're connected to and what's unfolding between us and and if we can live into that it changes, it makes life not as flat, it brings us into a
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[SPEAKER_00]: sense that there is a symphony happening every day amongst us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the symphonies have tragedy and they have tragic and within that tragedy is still something beautiful unfolding and your story is such a testament of that and I love it and I love how in the book you
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[SPEAKER_00]: show the pictures of the people coming back or meeting you later, some of them, you meant later again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a huge piece for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a chapter called Culling All Angels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The angels exist, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's get them on our side in terms of be friends with them, you know, ask for what you want, please.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they not only come in the angelic side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They come in, you know, they show up as people, you know, as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I talk about how that
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[SPEAKER_01]: that EMT John Hartling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was an angel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a former Navy seal, you guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would not take no for an answer, even those advice standards said she's gone, just call the coroner and he's like, no, I'm going to work for myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody tells me how to do my job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I needed someone that was like, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I go to, when I'm the hospital, my lead surgeon that was on call that night,
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[SPEAKER_01]: medical student at Jefferson College in Philadelphia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a fabric for women in terms of medicine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She is the lead team, thoracic surgeon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my, you know, she gets the call at night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm looking at her going, oh my God, this woman is an expert in medicine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even she said Nicole, I believe in indies now because
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[SPEAKER_01]: We lost you three times there and it wasn't my skill set that brought you back, you know, I don't know operating your table and something greater than this universe got your heart going again because we just saw
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[SPEAKER_01]: said time a death is this and called in the nurses, you know, it's just like, no, this isn't our skill sets that are doing this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then so she is one of my angels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, the nurse, oh, Sandy, she's OCD.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was so fortunate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was with me and the ICU and they let her transfer to pediatrics is where they let her transfer me two months later, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: She
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I'm still in touch with all of them, but you guys she's OCD.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she would take my tray, you know, I had broken, severed my wrist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she would take the milk cart and open it up and put the straw in it and put it to my, I mean, she was so detailed oriented and my care needed that because I actually needed two nurses on me at the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was so high maintenance, you know, with all of my injuries and bandages and just stuff going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: never let her guard down in terms of being mindful that I just had this this hospital gown on and trying to keep me covered and to preserve it a little bit of mod to see an issue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that woman to pieces, you know, and I have stayed in touch with all three of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went back 25 years after the crash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I took them all out to dinner separately, and they couldn't believe how tall I was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm 5-11.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was in the bad the whole time they saw me, okay, because I broke in my pelvis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I stood up, they were absolutely shocked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was so tall, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, they all told me, separately, I'm the only person they've ever treated and they're all in different parts of healthcare that is come back to thank them ever, you know, they go we don't do this for thank you, but you guys gratitude is huge in our lives, you know, and not for just the big stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, be grateful that you can breathe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, breathe grateful that your heart is unconsciously going, you're not having to go work hard, work hard, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, all these things that you take for granted that are just going to, you're going to wake up and they're all going to be working, you know, or all these people are going to be around you again tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think that was one of the biggest lessons is don't take things for granted because
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[SPEAKER_01]: think your wife can change it in instant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Lorna's, I didn't think that Sunday night that I wouldn't be back at the academy scared a dad to go do my double engine airing class that I thought I was going to fail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just never, I never did the English paper, I never did it, I never went back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They took all my stuff out and shifted away, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's important to prepare yourself for death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that that is something we don't want to think about, but you have to do the will, all of these pieces, if not, you see what somebody dying unexpectedly and the fallout and the fracturing that can happen within families.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It people don't put their wishes down in paper so that everybody is on the same page.
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[SPEAKER_01]: it can destroy family, it does destroy families.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's so important what you want, you know, is do you want to be cremated?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's not easy to talk about, but it's important, you know, this or my wishes, you know, I, I just recently in the last month was almost into crashes again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my PTSD has slared up and I'm in heaven to deal with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it just reminded me again of how quickly your life can change and making sure you have got your things in order about what you want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If for some reason, hopefully one happened, you know, something goes
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[SPEAKER_01]: sooner than later let's just put it that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well it brings me to back to this idea that we because we fear death we don't talk about and we don't talk about some of those things that are important right so it all kind of builds on each other and so it feels like there's a shift fundamentally in our collective shift to bring back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to bring to think about the passages of life, both how we birth and how we leave differently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as the collective shifts, those are two areas of our life that are probably really going to get a lot of attention right now from those who are able to speak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: of a new paradigm, a new way of holding birth and death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm so pleased we're having this conversation to open the conversation up more broadly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that are
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[SPEAKER_01]: and especially with children as well, you know, it has to be age-appropriate, but it's really important that they understand the concept of death and when you have one parent that passes and you have little kids, you know, the normal thing to do is for the other parent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to go, well, is something going to happen to you, mommy or daddy, whichever parent is love and that parent typically takes on oh nothing's going to happen to me it's going to be fine, you know, and the truth that that is you don't know that it's going to be fine you don't know that nothing's going to happen to you and maybe to to open it up to we, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: None of us are guaranteed anything, but mommy does everything she can to keep herself well, you know, there's no reason to think that, but if something should happen to mommy, you're going to go live with Uncle James in Aunt Nicole and you're going to still be, you know, you may be in this different school district, but it's not your responsibility to worry about the money that's going to be, you know, and to take some pressure and anxiety.
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[SPEAKER_01]: off of the child to think that they have to hold that now, fear that something's going to happen to the other parent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's learning to have those kind of conversations instead of just these answers of, no, I'm going to be fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that, and if that doesn't happen, then they're really left wondering, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's important to change this whole narrative around death from
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, I understand the human part of emotions in the grief and all of that that you feel with it, but to turn that into a one that I'm trying to get the message out of light and love and you are eternal and you can have a conversation with the deceased loved one on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not
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[SPEAKER_00]: death as a passage, a right of passage, and to bridge our understanding of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what for you feels like just the big take home messages for people, if they were to get anything from the book or from this conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the biggest message is we're all love and on the other side when we pass, we're all love and oneness at the end of the day that's what it's about and that there is nothing to fear, you know, that please pull apart your fear and look at what are you fearing or regarding the death of, you know, of leaving your loved ones or whatever it is to try to understand where that is coming from because unconsciously that is really
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[SPEAKER_01]: running your energy system at some level that level of fear is and to free yourself from that because it truly is a gift to be on this planet and to to to to make the most of your time here and if you're in fear, you're not going to truly live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to keep us from fully experiencing life, all the emotions, all the beauty, all the all the pain, but that's part of life, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one's getting out of your mouth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the only way we seem to learn, right, Paula?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just pain and suffering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pain is suffering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I love that we've had this conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a one that's well overdo and the time right now, if we think about how many people are there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: talking about this topic, I love that you are bringing this in in a way that speaks to all of those who have come from an organized religion and they're unpacking, they're unpacking, like what was I taught and how does that serve me now or not serve me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's this invitation, what I love as well because I teach this a lot is this invitation around self-compassion, around self-love, around softening how we treat ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not just about how we treat others, there's so much of our healing right now is about how we treat ourselves as a result of the things that we've done and the choices that we've made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been my pleasure Paula.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Nicole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll keep in touch and maybe I'll absolutely kayak with you second time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're coming down the news forever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
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