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In this episode of Thinking CAAP, host Beck Moore is joined by Hattie McCarter and Ellen Min for a deeply honest conversation about friendship, leadership, boundaries, celebration, insecurity, and what it means to grow without comparison.
Together, they reflect on how their relationship began through CAAP spaces, speaking opportunities, shared values, and honest check-ins that became something much deeper than professional connection. The conversation explores what leaders can learn from healthy friendships: how to recognize what people carry, how to build trust through consistency, how to celebrate others genuinely, and how to name insecurities without shame.
Ellen, Hattie, and Beck also discuss the vulnerability of leadership, the exhaustion of being seen through only one part of your identity, and the importance of surrounding yourself with people who can tell the truth, hold your humanity, and remind you who you are.
This episode is a powerful reminder that leadership is not just about what happens on stage, in meetings, or in public roles. It is also shaped by the relationships that help us stay grounded, honest, joyful, and human.
Discover more about the Thinking CAAP podcast: https://www.thecaap.org/the-thinkingcaap-podcast-blog
