Rob McConnell Interviews - MARK IRELAND - Soul Shift and Finding Where The Dead Go

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Rob McConnell.
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You to investing YouTube, bringing my heart into a million pieces.
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Like you always do.
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And you.
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Don't need to be in about the body.
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How child try to get you there.
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I'm just so hot you do every time you do
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that thing you do.
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TV dot com. My first guest tonight. By the way,
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it is April the ninth. It's a Friday evening is
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Mark Ireland Now. Mark is the author of Soul Shift
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Finding Where the Dead Go, a moving account of his
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personal quest for answers after life after death, subsequent to
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the loss of his youngest brother. Mark is the son
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of doctor Richard Ireland, a renowned mid twentieth century psychic medium.
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While honoring his father's memory, Mark's own path took a
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more conventional trajectory in the field of business. An advertising
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executive turned author, Mark Ireland is also engaged in consciousness
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survival research experiments, collaborating with respected scientists including theorist doctor
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Don Watson, developer of tees and That's the Theory of
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Informed system. Mark contributed an essay to medium Alison Duboise
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we are there Heaven, Why the dead never leave Us?
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He is a nearing completion of a second book on
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parapsychology and mediumship, exploring these topics in greater depth than
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in his present book. Other projects in the pipeline include
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an update and reissue of The Phoenix Oracle, penn by
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his father, renowned psychic to the stars, doctor Richard Ireland,
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along with previously unpublished Your Psychic Potential, a Guide to Development,
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also authored by his father. Mark lives in Scottsdale, Arizona,
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with his wife Susan and Mark. Welcome to the ex Zone.
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Thanks for having me here. I appreciate the opportunity.
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Was your dad your influence into investigating the world of
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the paranormal and parapsychology.
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I would say that was what got me going in
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terms of getting back into this as an adult. It was,
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really but the laws of my son really triggered it.
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So while I grew up seeing these abilities manifest in
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our household on a daily basis, and how amazing they were.
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I kind of shelved. I never really wanted to be
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my father, and I took a conventional path at a degree,
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went into business, got married, and had kids. But it
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was after losing my youngest son that I really went
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back and reflected on the things I saw earlier in life.
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That gave me confidence that then there's more than just
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what we see in.
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The physical world.
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Now, Mark, you and I have to take a two
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minute commercial break. When we come back, i'd like to
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discuss with you your book, Soul Shift Finding Where the
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Dead Go.
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Does that work works for me?
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All right?
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Mark Ireland is my special guest this first hour of
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tonight show Xonation. His website is www dot Soul Shift
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book dot com and Soul Shift Finding Where the Dead
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Goo is also available on Amazon dot com once again.
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exciting news to share with you the Xzonation in the
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next in next week. Yeah, it's all about Paragats. It's
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exciting and we can hardly wait to tell you, and
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it's killing me that I can't today, but I'll tell
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you as soon as I can. I will and that's
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break with Mark Ireland as we continue from our studios
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in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, here in the X Zone.
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In the wagon.
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I'm a traveling show.
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My mama used to dance all the money.
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Whatever.
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Cool, there's your little gospel.
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And Mark Ireland is my special guest this first hour
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of tonight show exce Olnation www dot Soul Shift book
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dot com. Mark, what was your inspiration to write your
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book Soul Shift Finding Where the Dead Go?
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Well, it goes back to the day that I lost
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my youngest son, Brandon, which was January tenth, two thousand
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and four. And I consider myself a normal, average person,
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but I've been traveling the week before that day occurred.
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It was a Saturday, and my son told me he
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was going to go hiking on some mountains behind our
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home along with some friends. And I had an unusual
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kind of premonition thing that morning, and I just I
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almost felt like this presence there. I didn't really hear
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any voices or anything, but I just felt this dire
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sense of concern about my son and tried to talk
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him out of going on this hike, but he ended
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up saying, you know, we're going, dad. He was eighteen
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years old, and there really wasn't any turning him back,
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and he ended up passing away on that hike from
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what we later found out to be a severe asthma attack.
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So subsequent to going through that, it was kind of
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a purging initially of you know, finding things letters and
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essays he'd written for school and different things, and just
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sharing information with people. But there was something that happened
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just a couple of days afterward that kind of started
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the whole ball rolling, and that was that, after Brandon
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had passed, I had spoken to my uncle. Now my
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uncle had similar abilities to my father. He was also
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a psychic medium, but he was not really doing this
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on a regular basis any longer. He was in his
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late sixties and my father had passed by that point
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in time. But my uncle asked if there was anything
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he could do, and I said, well, if you feel anything,
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you can share any information with me. I really appreciate it.
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And it was about two days later, and this is
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several days before we got an autopsy result. My uncle
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called me and I was at the mortuary and he said,
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I've got something to share with you. He said, your
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father visited me last night and he wanted you to
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know that he was there to meet Brandon when Brandon passed,
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and he helped him cross over. At first, Brandon was confused,
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but your dad helped him adjust, and he wanted you
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to know that you're the best parents he ever could
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have had.
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Now.
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What he gave me an addition to that that was
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highly evidential, was he had said that your dad said
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brand had died due to a lack of oxygen and
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then bloodstream that caused cardiac arrest. And at the time
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this had happened, we didn't know what had really gone
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on or what caused his death, because the symptoms were
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unlike any asthma episode or anything like that he'd ever
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had before. But about three days later, I spoke to
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the physician who had conducted the autopsy, and she had
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said that he had suffered a severe asthma attack that
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indeed dropped blood oxygen levels to the point where his
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heart failed. So getting that information my uncle really kind
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of started the whole process. And then after that there
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were just a series of things that happened, and I
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met different people, starting I guess next with Alison Dubois,
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who's the subject of the show medium but the real
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life one, and then met a number of other mediums
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that are fairly well renowned, and then also some people
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involved in the research side of it.
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Tell me about your father, Richard Ireland, who was a
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renowned psychic in the mid sixties to eighties. Can you
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share some of the personal stories about your dad that
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listeners might find interesting.
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Sure, it was almost so commonplace for me as a
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kid growing up to the average person probably couldn't relate
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to those sorts of things. But what I'd say is,
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in terms of demonstrating extrasensory perception in the public setting,
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he would normally cover his eyes with ten strips of
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Johnson Johnson medical tape sealed tightly against the bridge of
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his nose and over his eyes, and then three black
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blindfolds of that and more tape over that, and then
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he would have people in the audience write questions and
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send them up. They could seal them and envelope whatever
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they wanted to do, It really didn't matter. He would
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hold the question and he'd call out the name of
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the person, usually calling first, day and last name more
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of the times than not even answer their question, but
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also go off on to other things. One of the
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I guess kind of the fun stories I can tell
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you was now my wife now today after thirty years
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of marriage, if you go back to nineteen seventy eight.
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On our second date, I had asked her she'd like
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to see my father's demonstration, and she said, yeah, that
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would be great. So we got there a little late,
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and we went in and he was already doing this
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the process i'd mentioned to you, he's giving messages to
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people in the audience. So I encourage her to write
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a question, and so she wrote down her question and
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send it up. And she had asked when will my
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mother get married? Because her mother had been divorced and
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had been dating a man for quite a while, but
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was kind of noncommittal, and my father gets her question
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and he calls her name out and she says here,
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and he says, well, Susie, I think you've asked about
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your mother and when she's going to be getting married.
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But I don't know about that. But you've met the
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man that you're going to marry, and he's with you
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here tonight. And then I chimed up and said, Dad,
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Susie's my date. And he said, oh, my gosh, I
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just married off my own son.
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Now that is interesting.
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Another case, we brought a friend that was a complete
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skeptic named Mike Cusack, and the only way we could
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get him to go was by setting him up with
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a date. So we get there and i'd actually written
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a note to my dad and sent it up all
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he was blindfold and said, my friend Mike is a skeptic.
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Please blow his mind. And so, well, my dad got
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to Mike's message, he started going off on something about
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a young lady in Seattle that he'd spoken to and
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that you know, this probably wasn't a good fit for him,
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and we just saw his jaw drop and we didn't
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know what had happened afterward. Oh and then in addition,
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he had made mention about the woman he was with
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on the date that particular night and how they had
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this crazy chemistry. Well, as soon as as soon as
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he was done receiving the message and the show and
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the demonstration ended, we'd asked our friend, my friend Mike,
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about well, what did my dad say? What was irrelevance?
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And he had told us that he didn't write anything
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about this on his question, but that earlier that day
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he'd been speaking to a girl in Seattle that he
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was interested in, So that just really set him back.
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And then on top of that, shortly thereafter, we were
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driving home and he and the young lady were necking
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in the backseat of the car like teenagers. So it
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was pretty amusing to see that prophecy fulfilled.
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What evidence leads you to believe that our consciousness survives
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the process of physical death?
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Mark, Well, I guess a number of different things. Personal
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experience for me is the most valuable thing, although I
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mean I'm interested in science and research into this sort
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of thing, and there's research going back to the late
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eighteen hundreds through the spr in London, some pretty significant evidence.
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William James, who was a psychologist at that time, had
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conducted a lot of studies of a medium named Ms.
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Piper that were pretty compelling, and then you know, if
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you fast forward to even modern times, there's research done
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recently at the University of Arizona using single double blind studies,
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and now an offshoot to that is the Windbridge Institute,
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where doctor Julie Bischel does up to quintuple blind studies
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and basically asked mediums to give information about deceased individuals
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with no direct contact to a sitter meaning a person
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who is related to or a friend of the deceased,
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and consistently gets high quality information that statistically, you know,
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way beyond what a control group would get. But in
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my personal situation, I've had readings from a number of
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quality mediums that provide detailed information that's pretty much known
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only to my father and my son, things that would
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not readily be able to be researched. And then also,
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my wife had an unusual experience. I've had something similar,
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but hers was I think more profound in that she
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was sitting at the foot of our bed one night
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and felt our son's presence and then saw him as
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a shadow figure out of her peripheral vision. Well The
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very next day, we got a call from a friend
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who described an almost identical situation. He said that he
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was composing music and at the time he was doing this,
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he felt the presence of another person there, and he
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saw a shadow figure out of his peripheral vision, and
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then eventually he felt pretty sure that this was our
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son's presence, and it kind of guided him. That force
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guided him in composing this song.
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All right, But just let me ask you a question
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when it comes to the friend, he did not identify
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what he saw or who he saw as your son.
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Could it be that it was just a psychological link
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that was made to your son, and that it's a
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very touching story that he composed a song based on
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the sighting, But in the realm of reality, that doesn't
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hold a lot of water. Whereas the story that you
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told of your wife that holds in my book. As
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a person who likes to look at both sides of
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the of the sword as holding a little bit more water.
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Well, Whether he whether he came up with the song
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on his own and was inspired to do that, or
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whether he really channeled the content of the song, I
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can't prove that that's what his feeling was, But I
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think what's compelling about that is that he had the
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same experience the next day and he didn't know about
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my wife's experience to be able to sense this presence
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and also see the shadow figure out of his peripheral vision.
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So for me, that's the more compelling part, even than
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the song, although the song is beautiful and I'm touched
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by it.
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What is what is evidence? Where is the scientific evidence
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that there isn't afterlife and that mediumship actually does happen
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and it is real.
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Well, it's you know, the University of Virginia is doing
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studies on this, like I said, the wind Bridge is
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doing studies on this, but mainstream science doesn't subscribe to this.
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They think that's the mind and the brain are the
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same thing, and then when your brain dies, you die
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and there is no soul. So you know, it ties
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back to somebody's being open minded and buying into not
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buying into the materialistic paradigm that we're just simply a
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meat robot, if you will, and that our consciousness is
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nothing but firing of you know, brain function. So the
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evidence comes from studies like I had mentioned, that are showing,
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you know, results that are far beyond chance in terms
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of these mediums ability to provide meaningful So.
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Excuse excuse me. We're running very short on time here
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for the first for this segment here. So are we
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basing all this evidence on statistical analysis.
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Well, some of it. I think that's the best way
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that they can do it today because you can't necessarily prove.
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The best they can do in terms of how to
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approach it scientifically is to see what quality information they're
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able to provide pertaining to a deceased person, And that's
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kind of the measurement. You can't prove that the person's there,
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that their essence is there. There's no way to prove
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that at this point in time. If there's some way
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to necessarily materialize somebody and take a picture of them,
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you know, great, But yeah, Alry.
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Mark stand by. We've got to take our break at
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the bottom of the hour. Mark Ireland is our guess
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And I'm a wanna shot him every new one.
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He Hi.
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This is Ken Elliott.
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When I'm floating around the universe, I always try to
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tune into Rob m Okay.
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Hold there two d dog on Sysing's Creed and I
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want to find out what's going on with you. It goes.
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I listened to the X Zone with Rob McConnel.
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This is Les Corrigan from Target Internet Development.
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You're listening to Rob McConnell on the X Zone radio show.
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This is John ho Prophecy Scholar, and you're listening to
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Rob McConnell in.
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The X Zone. Wilcome to the Exisode, a place where
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fact is fiction and fiction is reality. Now here's your host,
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Robert Connaway.
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Come and tell you all.
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That fuss road.
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Good load it. I've got a tunnelad and when you
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get it, You've got fun. Don't worry, don't con con it.
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Amosol Man, I'm so man, camasol manmosol.
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Mane the holloway Mark, Ireland, does our our guest this hour.
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He is the author of Soul Shift Finding Where the
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Dead Go. His website is www dot Soul Shift Book
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dot com and Soul Shift Finding Where the Dead Goes
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available at Amazon dot com. Mark there's a negative connotation
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associated with the most paranormal phenomenon when viewed through the
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lens of certain religious aspects and certain people, including myself.
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When it comes to certain aspects of the paranormal, I
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think that there's nothing but a lot of fraud and
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deception involved. What's your what's your? You know, how do
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you deal with this?
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Well? It's interesting because I think some of the old
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testimony disparaging remarks made about mediumship are mainly tied to fraud.
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And it's a concern of mine too, because I know
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there are people that are fraudulent that are looking to
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take people's money. I would tell you that my father
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was a minister in addition to being a psychic, and
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I think at the base of his he felt that
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he wanted to convey that his was a gift of
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the spirit and it was something that it was a
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God given ability that was to assist people and help.
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But let me ask you this, Let me ask you
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this question. If it is a god given ability? How
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come God did not give it to everyone?
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Well? Does everyone know how to play guitar? Or is
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everyone a great hockey player?
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Wait a secd hold on here, hold on here? No, no, no,
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we're not you know you said it was a god
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given ability. All right? Picking up a guitar and playing
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it requires somebody to want to do it.
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Did your father want to become a medium? Did your
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uncle want to become a medium? How did they learn
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how to do it?
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Or were they a natural thing?
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All right? It was a natural thing for them. So
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why isn't it if it's a god given gift, why
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isn't this natural ability, this gift given to everyone?
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the latent ability you have and be developed more in
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some people than others. So back to my point about guitar.
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People have more musical aptitude. So while you may be
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able to play three chords on a guitar, you may
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not be Eric Clapton, you know. So in his case,
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he had this manifested naturally at a young age. When
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he was five years old, he was taken to the Columbus,
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Ohio Children's Hospital for corrective surgery on his eyes. After
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the surgery was completed, his eyes were cupped and bandaged,
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and they had actually tied him into a bed so
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he wouldn't mess with the bandages. And nurse felt sorry
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for him and asked him if he would promise not
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to touch the bandages, she would agree to let him out,
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and she did that. She went on her rounds, came
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back on and bouncing the ball against a long catching it,
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but he still had to bandag his on. After that,
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she brought some doctors in to say, look, look at
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this young man. This is unusual, and they did some
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other tests of their own. They put him in bed,
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had one doctor standing at the foot of the bed
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and another at the side and kind of throwing voices
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to see you.
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You know, no disrespect meant to your dad here. But
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how do you know what that's not explaining why there's
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negative connotation associated with paranormal phenomenon.
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Well, let me go back to that, really, because there's
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two You brought up fraud, but you also brought up
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the religious aspect. I think you know, religion in general
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I think doesn't want you to I'd say that it's
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a control issue to some extent. So oftentimes they'll go
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back to Old Testament versus that say, you know, you
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shouldn't do these things, or you shouldn't get involved in divination.
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But they're the same books that say that slavery is okay.
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So my question is it really is that the word
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of God saying that particular thing, or is that you
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know something coming from a cultural perspective of that day.
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If you fast forward to the New Testament, there's all
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kinds of these things happening. Jesus in the story of
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the Transfiguration is said to have been with and spoken
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to two deceased people or three.
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So wait a minute, are you putting are you putting
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psychic mediums in this same category as Jesus.
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Jesus said all the works I do, you shall do
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a greater work than these. So he's saying and in
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other passages he's saying that these are ways to communicate
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and these are tools to be used. That's one.
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That's one interpretation of of of that of that first,
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that's an interpretation.
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I'm not saying that the average psychic medium has anywhere
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near the development from a spiritual or level, or that
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they are like a Jesus that way all I'm saying
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is that that those are phenomena that I believe Jesus demonstrated,
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like clairvoyance with a woman at the well where he
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told her that she'd had five husbands before those, that
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the methodology is the same tool can be used for
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good or bad. Yeah, probably either way, but if someone
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is coming from the right place, it can be a
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very positive thing.
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But once again, how can you compare any medium And
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I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone here, but
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how can you put an everyday mortal medium And then
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I'm giving that the benefit of the doubt in the
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same category as the as an iconic religious figure like Jesus. Like,
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isn't that a little pushing the limit a little bit
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too far?
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I'm not comparing them in terms of who they are.
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I'm all I'm saying is that he said that if
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you have the faith that you can move mountains and
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that you can do these things. And all of his disciples,
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he said, you will know them because they will do
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the worst hie you. And they performed healings and did
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miracles too, So they weren't Jesus either, but they were followers.
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So all I'm saying is that I know spiritual mediums
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who are Christians and they they are trying to follow
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that path and they feel as a tool that's available
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to them to help people.
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When a medium gets information, where do they get it from?
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Well, that's something you can't prove because there's two schools
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of thought. One is the survival theory, which is that
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when we die, we have a soul that lives on
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in a form of personalized energy, if you will, and
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that there is a consciousness associated with that, and that
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soul can impart thoughts to the medium that could be
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symbolic or words or things like that. The other school
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of thought is that there's something called supersi or that
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there's like this field of information that exists that could
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be tapped into by a medium or a psychic and
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then they get the information from that perspective. I think
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some of the evidence that leads me to believe that
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it's actually communication with a discarnate are more subtle things,
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but there are differences in how the medium receives the
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information of that type versus or psychic information. For example,
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they'd note the sense of another presence being there as
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opposed to just like a psychic thought popping into their head. Also,
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there's what are called cross correspondence communications, where mediums can
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pick up information about someone other than who they're doing
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the reading for, and then later on it's validated through
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some independent research. So there's at in a case like that,
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it could be argued that and this current entity intentionally
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sent that, so it's not like you went out and
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reach for it. It was sent in your direction.
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Why do you think that with the what do you
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think that science is going to discover about psychic phenomenon
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with quantum physics and string theory?
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Well, I think if you look at that whole area,
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it does give people a way to look at those
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things to say, maybe there is something to this, and
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maybe there is a way that I could accept this
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as being a possibility. Whereas if you view the world
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as just a bunch of physical objects that are firm
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and fixed, it's hard for you to grasp that. But
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when you do look and you say, okay, everything's made
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up of atoms and under that subatomic particles that really,
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when you get down to the raw level, they're not
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even particles. The vibrating energy sometimes that are going in
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and out of physical existence it changes your perspective at
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what is real and tangible. I know. Doctor Dean Rayden
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recently released a book called Entangled Minds that touches on
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these phenomena and quantum physics and tries to reconcile some
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of those issues.
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What does a person's psychological state have to do with
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the information that they seek from a medium? For example,
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a person who's doing very well and has no problems
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will not be seen with a medium because they are
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not in psychological diar needs to communicate with someone to
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to heal an inner wound. Has a psychological profile ever
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been done on people going to see mediums or psychics?
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Well, first off, let me clarify wanting I'm not a scientist.
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I'm just a lay person who's become interested in them
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and connected with some scientists and researchers, okay, and mediums themselves.
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So I'm studying them from the point of view that
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you might have or the average person I have. I've
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done a lot of reading and I have a reasonable
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understanding of the field, But I can't answer that question. Oh,
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I don't know the background.
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All right, because the way the way that I've seen
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it over the years, not only doing the show, but
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working on television shows exposing psychics and mediums. Is that
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people who go to a psychic or who go to
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a medium are emotionally upset. They're not secure. There's a
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problem that needs fixing, and I cannot understand why in
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today's society people go to psychics and medium instead of
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seeking professional help. And that's what I was asking.
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Okay, I'll answer that from the best perspective I can.
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If you've lost a kid, that's about the biggest trauma
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you could experience it.
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I agree, and honest to God, my heart.
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Is with you.
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Okay. So that being said, we've met other parents who
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have gone through this and it's been really healing to
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meet them and to commiserate, if you will.
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So would you say that going to see a psychic
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or going to a medium in this case is part
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of the the the the grieving, the healing, healing.
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It's part of a healing process. I would say if
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you go to a good one. But if I met
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someone who went to a fraud and that was a
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very damaging situation. So I caution people, don't just you know,
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run out and do this. You need to find out
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from people that you know and trust if you want
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to do this, and I'm suggesting it's for everyone, but
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you need to find out who you're going to. They're
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coming with decent recommendations. So and to your point, yeah,
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mores and not. People probably are going and some of
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them may be more credulis because they didn't want it
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to be so, so I'm not you know, I'm aware
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of that and understood. But I would also say that
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you know, I've seen very specific information conveyed. It's very compelling,
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and there are people I believe have this ability and
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that it's real, and I'm not saying it's everybody out
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there at all.
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Let me let me just throw this hypothesis your way.
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Is it possible that what message the person or the
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medium is giving back to the person that they are
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giving the message too? All right, let me just use
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this way. Somebody went to see your dad or another medium,
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they ask a question, is it possible that the medium
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is actually unknowingly or knowingly reading their mind and that
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is a transference of esp and has nothing to do
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with the other side.
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Well, that that is a possibility because you know, as
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I mentioned earlier, the supersi or cleric vance or telepathy
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with the sitter is one of the argument. So that
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is why some of these labs like Windbridge do tests
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that eliminate that as a possibility. Is best possible, I
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suppose it's probably it's going to be difficult to completely
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rule it out. But if a medium gives a validation
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to something that the sitter's unaware of but later can
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be found to be accurate, that's pretty compelling. And I
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have some cases of that, and I know the researchers
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have found those sorts of things too.
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All right, in your opinion, what is the most compelling
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evidence to support these claims?
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I would say, you know, going back to the research,
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I mean, if you're a science minded person, it's going
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to be research done by the spr the research coming
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out of the lab at the University of Arizona, some
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of which is documented in the book The Afterlife Experiments,
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the research being done right now by the wind Bridge Institute.
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And I know that the University of Virginia about to
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release some results on a study they did in what
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was a double or triple blind study. But for the
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average person, it's going to be experiencing this for yourself
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with a quality medium and noting, you know, objectively, not emotionally,
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you know what information were you provided and how closely
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does that mirror the personality and the things that your
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deceased loved one would know?
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You see you just you just said how closely instead
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of exactly, And that to me raises a red flag
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because if these mediums were so on, it wouldn't be closely.
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They would give specific, undoubted examples and unequivocal pieces of
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evidence that would that would lock it in not closely resemble.
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Well, when you consider the methodology by which they get
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the information, think about yourself trying to communicate with somebody
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with two tin hands and a string pulling them to.
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That's an excuse, that's an excuse, that's not a reason.
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Well, I would say some of them do give highly
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specific information, so to say that it's going to be
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just like I'm talking to you right now this way,
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and it's that clear. It doesn't necessarily work that way
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for everyone, but a lot of the information can be
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very accurate and very specific. So to discount that when
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it is statistically overwhelming compared to a control group that
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can't provide that sort of thing, or even a cold
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reader that wants to come in, you know, and try
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and replicate that or duplicate that. They're unable to.
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Mark standby. We've got to take our final break here.
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Mark Ireland is the guest. His book is Soul Shift
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Do Mark Ireland does our special guests Mark. How do
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people know who a legitimate psychic medium is or a
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legitimate medium is? I'm sorry because there's a there's a
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big difference between the two.
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You're going to have to go to someone that you
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are referred to by someone you trust to know well
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or like I keep mentioning the wind Burge Institute, they
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actually certify medium. So they put them through a battery
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of tests, blind tests, and based on the statistical, you know,
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evidence that they are able to provide meaningful information about
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disease people, they will certify them. There's some other I
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think that for every Forever Family Foundation does something similar
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to but you know, more often not, it's going to
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be relying on someone you know and trust.
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Now, the Windbridge Institute Are they a recognized research towards
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organization or have they just popped up recently?
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Well, it's actually they're an offshoot from the university of
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a doctor Julie Weischel. It looks like my battery and
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my phone here is going. Can I give you an
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offer number?
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No, we're going to have to say so long for now, Mark,
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because there we are having we are having some problems here,
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all right, well, then hurry it up, please, Okay.
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The Windbridge Institute was founded by doctor Julie Weischel. She
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formally worked at the University of Arizona Human Energy Systems Laboratory,
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and she's got a board of respected scientists there, including
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doctor Dean Rating, among others.
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If it seems that we just lost Mark technology, what
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can I say exonation our guest of this hour who
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had a faulty phone, And you know what, when you're
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going to be doing a radio interview, it's not a
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good idea to not check your batteries because it doesn't
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make you look very good or very credible. And you're
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talking about psychic phenomenon mediumship. Shouldn't somebody on the other
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side have told Mark his phone was going to die?
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I have a hard time with this exponation, and I
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don't want to seem heartless. My heart goes out to
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everyone who's lost loved ones, and yes, we all have
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that emptiness, we all go through that grieving process and
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if it's if it's for healing, God bless you all.
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But this boy doesn't buy it. I'll be back on
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