Nightcap - Hour 2: How Michael Jordan ruined the Dunk Contest, Pippen's No Bull Tour, & why SGA is the MVP

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Speaker 2: The crown is yours. So what do you? What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard everything from a three on three tournament to a one on one you get three dribbles Max?

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Speaker 2: What can the league do to fix the All Star game?

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Speaker 1: Forget the dunk context ain't no any because the guys the the name guys Gil when with you and I was growing up, I mean the top guys doctor j Michael Jordan, Dominique Wilkins. You know you had Kenny's sky Walker, You had the guys they Larry Nance, they actually participated.

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Speaker 2: Daryl Griffith, they called him doctor Dunkenstein. Who up there? So guys, I mean, with the exception of Matt McClung and Jaylen Brown.

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Speaker 1: Jaylen Brown is the biggest name guy that we've had in the game in a long time.

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Speaker 2: But for the most part, Gil, I mean, I don't know these guys. Listen, I said it.

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Speaker 3: I said, what happened was this When the NBA was introducing the Dunk Contest, they used.

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Speaker 4: Their stars, yes to it to the world, right, And I said, what happened was Michael Like Steven, they want to say Lebron messed it up.

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Speaker 3: I want to say Michael, Jordan and Dominique messed it up. They messed it up in this aspect who they were when they entered that contest. They were mega stars. Jordan was a mega brand when he was entering the Dunk Contest.

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Speaker 2: So you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Three It taught me average thirty five, average thirty seven, leading the league.

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Speaker 2: And scoring three.

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Speaker 3: He was already a big entity. So him coming into that with that name.

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Speaker 2: Woo, you'd already called it mere Jordan. He'd already gotten a nickname.

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Speaker 3: So once he left and you said all right, everybody, let's enter, you started looking around like, yeah, they're coming in their hot flowers. But they don't have no, they don't have the they don't have the name. That's coming into that. When Kobe came in average sixth, he was average seven points a game. He's a rookie.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: When Kobe was Kobe Bean Bryant, he didn't enter the dunk contest. When finsanity became vinsanity in two thousand and two three four, that wasn't two thousand vince, right.

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Speaker 2: So when we did.

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Speaker 3: Have the dunkers, they didn't have that Jordan brand by hind Us.

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Speaker 2: So Jordan gave us Dominique Wilkins. You're talking.

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Speaker 3: They were, they were creatures, they were NBA elites when they enter. We that we got privileged to that, and that's why we compare. That's why we say the same names every year. When we think about the Dunk Contest, we go.

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Speaker 2: All the way back ninety down.

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Speaker 3: Because those were star players in that dunk contest.

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Speaker 2: Now it's one two, one two year players.

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Speaker 1: But the thing is, Gil, what I think is is that when they started having these no names, and God started missing fifteen dunks before they got one, and people like, God, how many chances he gonna get m I mean, look, you get two chances, you met don't get the you don't get it in the hoop the.

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Speaker 2: First two times.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now your time up, Gil, God will take it six. I mean I'm being unreally when I say fifteen, but.

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Speaker 2: God will take it five.

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Speaker 3: Six opportunities. You can't you can't hold people interest that loan. Yeah, And so when you comes you look at Gordon and Levine, that amazing that I can make the case those were the best dunk cast contests ever, better than Jordan Dominique because what they were doing with the creativity.

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Speaker 1: And the elevation that they were getting so clearly the dunk Contest was alive and well. And guess what Lebron James was still playing. You see, here is the problem that I have because Lebron James has always been in an unattenable situation. Well, he got twenty three because of Michael Jordan, where he did the politics, because of Michael Jordan, where he doesn't do the dunk contest.

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Speaker 2: Why did he do it? He did everything he had life Michael Geordan.

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Speaker 3: You see, he's in an unwin I don't look at Lebron as I look at Lebron as the end game power dunker.

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Speaker 1: Lebron doesn't have the creativity of of a Mac McClung or Aaron Gordon, or Zach Levine or or a Jason Richardson. That's not a bit start.

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Speaker 2: That's not what he is. And that's that is the problem with us as fans. And that's why I said Michael Jordan ruined it.

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Speaker 3: He ruined it because he was the perfect person.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're talking about the dude.

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Speaker 3: With the forty inch vertical, the dude that was a star, He was a score, he was creative in the air. Right, So you had the ten out of ten guy entered the dunk contest, right, There's only been a few of those in this game, right, in this game, and Vince was the next.

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Speaker 2: One who had all the tools.

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Speaker 3: He was the guy that was supposed to be in there three four times, it going and everybody's trying to beat him. Right, we didn't have it. We had it won and done right, Lebron James. What he clicked was die the power the aativity. No, I can tell you the three dunks that he only had, right, he was gonna pull it back real hard, not from the free go line, right, which Jordan gonna have him on that, but he's gonna pull it to the side, right, Other than that he was gonna go in do the rocks Baby, Rock the baby, and then he was gonna do the the old one.

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Speaker 2: Hand up stat your liberty, swing it, bring it back.

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Speaker 3: That was it of that, unless you wanted him to dunk on somebody. Right, All right, shot, you're gonna come out there and you're gonna try to block my shit for real, right, and I'm gonna try.

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Speaker 2: To dunk on you.

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Speaker 3: Other than that, there's some guys who are creative dunkers, and there's some guys who dunk Jaylen Brown, you.

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Speaker 2: Just a dunk on somebody.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you're not a creative dunker. Because he tried to do the deep brown. But you can't do the deep brown once you're laying. You know, the deep brown covered his eyes. He was in the air and you can't put hold on, so I might hold up.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm looking at it. I said, hold on.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Gordon over topofall, Matt mcclub dunk nover shack hell Blake Griffin dunk no a kill he don't. No one guy dunk no k I A. The other guy dunk no k A. I.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell I mean? He look and then you know, and we had Coln the other night. He's been unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: But anybody that's ever seen Kai in person, you and I both know he not five to nine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he's not five to nine. And then you put him in a chair.

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Speaker 1: He even said himself, I thought he was gonna stand me up in the chair.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: You get a guy best vertically challenged and you put him in a chair. So if you put him in a chair, he's half the height that he was when he was standing.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm like, what the hell is this?

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Speaker 3: That was the point, uh, because you can tell he didn't prep for this. He was just out there having son, right, he was out there having fun.

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Speaker 2: But he could have just jumped dunked over Tatum Son. We did just don't over due guests because this point, brother, what you been doing. It ain't that he could have driven the ball.

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Speaker 1: He could have jumped over Cay hell I jumped over two guys back in eighty seven and death sitting in chairs.

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Speaker 3: So that wasn't spectacling about the dunk that he did. And they gave it, and they gave.

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Speaker 1: Him great stores without like no, so you should have punished him for that to let him know, Bro, you can't dunk over a guy his size in a chair and have us reward you for quality dunk because that's not what it was. Look, Matt McClung deserved to be a two time But the fact of the matter is we gotta go get a guy.

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Speaker 2: From the G League. And he earned gil.

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Speaker 1: He earned it a game, he earned it. I mean the guy cleared shot. Are you can say what you want to say, he cleared shot.

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Speaker 2: My thing is this man.

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Speaker 3: The dunk contests, today's kids can do things that we we we we can't believe.

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Speaker 2: Can be done. Right.

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Speaker 3: When Jacob Smith came into the dunk contest right and he wrapped it around the back of his body had dunked it, Everybody's like, what the hell was that these young kids got that? Now, the question is, why wasn't the Thompson Twins in it? Why wasn't Jalen Green in it?

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Speaker 2: Right? Why wasn't like you got these.

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Speaker 3: Young first year kids that got these forty five six inch verticals that do.

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Speaker 2: Sit at home thinking of this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Right, the days of the days of the nineties is gone.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: If you want your impact of your dunk contest.

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Speaker 2: You need to spit out the.

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Speaker 3: Money that's going to impact it because right now most of these got what we do, what they did to Bordon.

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Speaker 2: Everybody watching, yeah right, ah, yeah right.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be a part of something like that, right, So you need to start with the refs.

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Speaker 2: I mean the judges.

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Speaker 3: The judges should be the steph Berry, the Danes, the Lucas, guys who don't dunk.

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Speaker 2: The reason for that is they are not jaded by their ability or what they did or what they could do.

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Speaker 3: They're judging in the real time, right, So someone like Luca can sit there and say, shit, I can't do that. That's the fig right You you have real fair judging because these guys can't do that. You guys have doctor j in there. Doctor Jay's jaded by his jumping ability. He's not judging it. Dominique, it's with every windmill he sees. Yeah, he ain't bringing down like I did.

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Speaker 2: I brought that bag.

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Speaker 3: I really wind mealed it. I ain't do this right here. I brought that bag all the way down. I got a forty nine, goddamnit jigging the fourty seven right right, So that's what ends up happening too, so you have to clean that up. Then from there is when you go, when you're getting ready for the dunk contest, grab out that big old computer in this book and say, okay, this kid forty eight, Okay.

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Speaker 2: He's in it. He's in it. Hey, hey, hey, hey.

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Speaker 3: The guy that's sitting on the end of your bench, spurs can let him know he in the dunk contest. And I don't care what kind of vacation he's going on, right right, And Steven A. Smith said something about a million dollars. You want to go out and give everybody a million dollars these outside how about this, get the NBA players a million dollars.

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Speaker 2: I guarantee that jump over the goddamn backboard.

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Speaker 1: Viz said it was him, T Mac, Lebron and somebody else, but they pulled out. Said the NBA had a million dollars. Now, I don't know if it was a million dollars for everybody or a million dollars to the winner, but I think he said it might have been him.

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Speaker 2: Can't help me out. I think it was him.

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Speaker 1: I think it was T mac, Vince Carter, Tobe and Lebron was supposed to be in the dunk contest. They said that because I said that this, this should have been a I think I think uh uh BC said.

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Speaker 2: It, so it should have been. But this about two thousand fold to that threefold.

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Speaker 3: But but that is that that is the case now right, This is not an image thing you're like the eighties, those guys was forced because of the image. Jordan had a he had an interest, He had a personal interest, his shoes.

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Speaker 1: His bread was the number one thing that sold the shoes because once he took out from the line, he could fly. Now, look doctor Jay and Connie Hawkins, they were the first guys. David the Skywalker. David Thompson was the first guywalker. Then Kenny Kenny Kenny Walker Lady.

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Speaker 2: Got that name.

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Speaker 3: But David Thompson was the first guy. They called him the Skywalker.

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Speaker 1: But when Michael Jordans took out from that free throw line and he held.

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Speaker 2: It out like this, it was over. It was over.

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Speaker 3: Nobody looked for that shoe. So now now so he so he's entering for a force for something that impacted his life. Here they don't have that, So you're gonna have to entice him with something like it was for Jordan, right, you gotta he's got something. There's the money that got so great that Gil again, I'm surprised Jaylen Brown did.

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Speaker 2: Jaylen Brown got a contract for three up seventy million dollars. What the hell they get? Offer me a million? You better? You better, hey, Gil, the day what you go off with me?

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Speaker 3: You better offer me with the badness ig girl two weeks, two weeks straight with the baddest ig girl.

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Speaker 2: That's all you got, you know, you know, the all thar game winner gets the game. It's come much.

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Speaker 3: I played fifty grand. Second player the losing team thirty five grand.

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Speaker 2: Bad that's great money.

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 2: We got the winners for the Pro Bowl ten grand. You know what, the loser got five grand and we.

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Speaker 3: Going to a You take five people to a wife, put him in for the hotel room that's two fifty at night, and feed him for a week and see how much that coach you. But this is but y'all doing that at the end of the season. This is this is this is All Star weekend when we don't want to be there. You're telling me to play hard. If I'm listen, if I make one hundred, two hundred thousand dollars a game. You better jump your price up. You better jump your price up. I make two hundred jump your price up. I got your boss, Vince Carter said.

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Speaker 1: The NBA offered him, Lebron, Kobe, Tracy mcgrador a million each to do the dunk contest. BC said, and I quote I know for a fact a couple of years back that the NBA tried this tactic as far as upping the ante a little bit.

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Speaker 2: A million dollars.

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Speaker 1: They threw around to some names like Bron, Kobe, t Maack, t Mac my name was thrown in there, of course, and a few other people for a million dollars. But you couldn't get a commitment from everyone to do it. And even like they even I was like, eh, I'll wait to see what the feel does. See there it goes.

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Speaker 2: I want to see see if there is a competitiveness in it. If Lebron says yeah, Vince says yeah, If Kobe says yeah, Vince Lebron says yeah. Right, you want to make does right? See so when people say.

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Speaker 3: It's not competitive when it comes to your individual this is the thing that people aren't understanding when it comes to the individual himself. That means I don't have nobody else with me. Oh, let's party. We want to see who the best dunker is.

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Speaker 2: Let's party. You want to see who the best three point shooter is. Let's party.

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Speaker 3: See If I got to rely on nine other players and the coach to come out here and perform, there becomes an issue. Right.

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Speaker 2: But if let's dunk, let me see who's entering? All right, Jay Rinchids or Kobe I'm in. Let's let's put the jumping ability to the test.

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Speaker 3: That's why I said, go one on one, one on one. In the NBA, you can have them pay. Say there's a million dollars for the winner, but you gotta pay the enter. Watch how many players enter that damn thing?

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Speaker 2: And I guess what? He guess what I wanted to make you have a million dollars?

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Speaker 1: You know, like the World Series of Poker when they get to the final two, Uh, they bring they bring the money sitting on the table there, you go down.

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Speaker 2: What y'all playing for? Hey, hey, y'all, you're gonna have, You're gonna have, You're gonna tell you're gonna have.

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Speaker 3: Players who ain't even part of it sitting there doing this, ye baby, baby, but ship you put the money out there and gotten that all look everybody looking too. There's no everybody looking because this this is a matter of your pride, yourself.

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Speaker 2: That that's what it is.

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Speaker 3: Two on two, three on three, Like I wanna do this, Let's say three on three, right, huh, everybody who makes the All Star. Every the twenty four players who make the All Star right, three on three, three on three, you got eight teams of threes right, four on the west, four on the east, four players on east side. You pick your team to compete. Then we have bracket play, right, go to seven. The winner wins this.

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Speaker 2: There's no joking around now, right because now because.

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Speaker 3: Now if I'm bron I'm sitting here like, all right, my first pick. Now I'm thinking about who's gonna go hold? Right, all right, give me a.

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Speaker 2: Give me pook.

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Speaker 3: Right now, you got players really building their rosters. Now were playing, right, We're playing West against West.

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Speaker 2: Then we go against the East. Right now you're three on three.

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Speaker 3: You have different bracket plays, you have a more competitive game, and you still get the same the same twenty four All Stars.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 3: Three on three you're talking about a whole different game, because I'm not gonna You're not just gonna sit there and shoot a half course shot.

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Speaker 2: We're going to seven.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 2: Hell now every position back, and you think about it.

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Speaker 3: Now, let's say Lebron, Lebron, he got cat with him in cash shot two threes and then he's sitting there doing one of these again, like nah man, nah, bro, you got you got a man guard, you get your ass in the posts. That that's what it ended up happening. More probably would be taken if they did it that way, the five and five.

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Speaker 2: Let it go that you ain't getting you ain't getting none out of it no more. The post Dame Aaron. Portland is looking up.

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Speaker 1: The Blazers have lost sixty percent of their local viewership, indicating a significant drop in their fan base. The next biggest drop is Brooklyn, whose local viewership is down thirty eight percent. Sixty percent. What does that say about the importance of stars? That everything every day?

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, we knew, we knew Portland was gonna take a hit, right, you know, the guy everybody came to see was damn right. So we know you you were gonna lose some some fans because of the trade. You're gonna lose some fans because of the record. So one, you have to build a team back up. You have to build the excitement back up. We get that Brooklyn, you guys in New York and you you will hope that just the city itself would have retained retain this fans. Gil you had KD, James, Harden and Kyrie. Now all of those guys are gone. What about they going?

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Speaker 2: They reverted back to what the Brooklyn Nets used to be. They reverted back to New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm not trying to be crass or anything, but it's the fact.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a start.

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Speaker 3: It's a star driven league, and the superstars is what get busted in the sea and get eyeballs on the two.

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Speaker 1: And Brooklyn doesn't have one. The Bortland Trailblazer doesn't have one. The Troyton Trailblazers have Bill.

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Speaker 3: Had Bill Walton foot injuries, he left, They had a Brandon roy injuries.

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Speaker 2: He gone away.

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Speaker 3: LaMarcus Audrey the next place he goes, he goes to San Antonio and now Dame the last guy that has that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we got a guy that injuries and then he doesn't order to leave. We gotta guy and he's like, no, I'm gone.

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Speaker 2: So Portland's like with Damn.

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Speaker 3: The stars that we've had either were forced to retire early or left.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And like you said, Bill, back up, that's a lot easier said than done, because you know what Brooklyn was before they got Kevin dur Redd. Do you know what Portland was? Yeah, they won a few games because of LaMarcus Ardrey was was a very good player. Yeah, but once they got Dame and then it seemed like he I mean here, I think they could.

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Speaker 2: Have been really good if he'd have stayed with Dame, but he wanted to go.

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Speaker 1: You know, they sold him a dream, It's gonna be your team, YadA, YadA, YadA. He goes to San Antonio and it would work, I mean because Kawhi Kawhi was great. But Kawhi hurt that foot against Golden State and then the next year he had that that quad injury.

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Speaker 2: They didn't believe he was injured as much as he said he was. And it just.

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Speaker 3: So, Yeah, when you're in a small market, you're gonna have to have a really big name or really good solid teams. You know, just there's just some teams that can't sustain down sizes like this, like that is surprising. And you know, Portland and Brooklyn have to really look at themselves and look at what they're doing. Because you have a team in Detroit that lost twenty nine straight games and stay in front of you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: They're in front of you because Detroit supports their teams. Right when they were playing Toronto that day, that was a sold out, crowded they own twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: Game losing street.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: But so you don't have anything. You don't have anything, ain't but basketball. You ain't got no hockey team. You ain't got no who, no baseball team. I know Sea Allan's up there, but that's not important. So what the problem is that should be in there? That lord of your tickets?

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Speaker 2: Goddamnit. Hey, hey, right now, you got w NBA prices. How about that?

00:22:16
Speaker 1: Hey, it's a promisable payer. Hey you got Nike headquartered up? He promisable a pair of Nikes. Everybody talking my team to the game. You get a pair of.

00:22:25
Speaker 2: Nikes, air Force ones or some airbaxs or something.

00:22:29
Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, treated like Wendy's. Hey tonight is a full for four special.

00:22:34
Speaker 2: Come and get you four for four.

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Speaker 3: Four tickets, Yeah for real, four tickets, four hot dogs, four Solda.

00:22:43
Speaker 2: And Nacho for for dollars. Come on.

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Speaker 1: Take this night, Gil Scotty, Pippot Hard As Grant Luke Longley go on a tour. Addressing the Last Dance, Pippin and Grant have been vocal about their portrayal in the FESPN Doctor series Hars. Grant was quick to call Jordan a liar for claiming he leaked information to Sam Smith the Jordan Rules, while Scotty went on to say how upset he was at his portrayal and even released a memoir title Unguarded, where he shares stories about dealing with Michael Jordan. The tour is set to begin February twenty third in Tasmania and will be making stops in Melbourne and Sydney. Grant said, well, as you know, I speak my mind and it's going to be no BS tour. Believe me, I'll tell you this the X Factor in the first three and the second three I would have kicked Dennis Robins. You know what, come out, get the tickets. You'll hear a lot now when the last dance aired, hars Grant reached out to me. We hope we're both from Georgia. He's from Middle Georgia. I'm from South Georgia. And he reached out to me because he wanted to clear some things up and he said, there's some other stuff and I said, well, I say, you know, I call.

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Speaker 2: I said, oh, don't.

00:24:07
Speaker 1: I don't really feel like sharing this because but we're in the pandemic at that time. Gil I said, oh, I don't feel comfortable sharing this, but once we get out of the pandemic, if we, I would love to have you on to share this what you're telling me. But I don't feel comfortable because people will say, well, Yeady, you you hate Jordan, and he probably ain't even say that, so they gonna need to hear that come out your mouth.

00:24:33
Speaker 2: And so I'm.

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Speaker 1: Interesting to hear what's gonna come out of his mouth. Is it gonna be similar to what he shared with me? Because that's what I'm interested to see, and so that's why I like. And I was like, oh, I like, you know, but once you know, last dance kind of went away, you know, we kind of moved on and like, okay, let's just let it go.

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.

00:24:52
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna listen to what they gotta say, because look, in a lot of people's eyes, Michael Jordan can do no wrong.

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Speaker 2: He's gone.

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Speaker 1: And I tell people all the time, the first time I met him, I felt like I was meeting and I hate to be blasphemous or sacrilegious, but he seemed like he was elevating. He seemed like he had a light, a shining light behind him, and he was sitting on cloud that's I mean. And you hear a lot of people say the exact same thing when they meet Michael Jordan for the very first time, and they're NBA players, great NBA players, and they feel like this. But obviously he had he had final say on whatever's gonna be in the document series. Uh and so, but I knew early on, but I found out, like I said, you didn't know. I thought he and Scotty were closer, and then come to find out they're not close at all, not close.

00:25:50
Speaker 2: But that was not close.

00:25:51
Speaker 1: They fall apart, like like Sydney and San Francisco. That's how they fall apart. In they our guilt, be honest, I don't want to hear none of this shit.

00:26:03
Speaker 2: Don't want your doning. I don't want to hit none of it. The reason Huck is.

00:26:08
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna speak for the new school. I'm gonna speak for the Kevin Durant and all of them. I don't want to hear the shit about no champion complaining about being a champion, championships and do whatever it takes to win a championship.

00:26:27
Speaker 2: Six time champion, three time champ, three time champ. I'm gonna give.

00:26:32
Speaker 3: Two ships about what Michael Jordan did to help you motherfucker's become a champion, because when people come at.

00:26:39
Speaker 2: You, you do this right here, whatever it took, stand on. Oh, I don't want you complain about how brutal he did. You told me it is it.

00:26:49
Speaker 1: You're a champion, right I thought that all you gotta be portrayed. He gotta be portrayed like a b I t th h. He got people thinking, He got people thinking I'm a guard dude.

00:26:57
Speaker 2: I can't have that. I can't have that. I can't have it. I can't clear my name a six time guarding too.

00:27:04
Speaker 3: Damn.

00:27:04
Speaker 2: I want my restitutions. Listen, listen, the go's the problem. It's a conflict. It kind of makes it look bad.

00:27:15
Speaker 3: You done told us championships or now you're laughing at Charles Barkley. You're laughing that Patrick you win, and then you tell us that you didn't like it.

00:27:26
Speaker 2: He was a bad guy. He was a bad boss. What no, No, you don't like to y'all don't like being champions? Say it ain't so.

00:27:37
Speaker 3: When I said, hey, I'd rather take three hundred million than seven rings, y'all over here like you're crazy. Hey, hey, they're going around talking about no bully. They are rings. They got they got them rings, and they don't seem to happen now. Yeah, I mean, look, everybody wasn't gonna be Michael Jordan. And even if you had a great career, magic doesn't have to take a backseat. Magic is the three time MVP. He got five rings, Finals MVP three times. But everybody wasn't gonna be Jeordan. There's only one Michael Jordan. I don't care who are great.

00:28:13
Speaker 1: Somebody might score a hundred thousand points in their career, they are never gonna be Michael Jordan because.

00:28:18
Speaker 2: Of that shoe, that shoe what say?

00:28:21
Speaker 3: Yeah he was great and I don't know what shut up say no, understand what I'm saying. Prior to that, people wasn't wearing sneakers. Yeah, with top CEOs. People wasn't wearing sneakers with suits. People weren't wearing sneakers to formal offense. He made it a style.

00:28:42
Speaker 2: It is a fashion.

00:28:43
Speaker 1: The sneaker became a fashion statement. His shoe became a fashion statement. And now you have everybody else and the shoe, you get, the Louis Vauton, you get the Gucci, you get the product, you get the g Bon shit, you get all of those.

00:28:58
Speaker 2: But that guy, the You know what, Michael Jordan is.

00:29:04
Speaker 3: Everybody understanding now, especially everybody on Nightcap and Club Shape. J Michael Jordan is to basketball what Kat Williams did on your channel.

00:29:17
Speaker 2: Yes, right, he did it in a style, clever, charisma, funny. Gave you the drama.

00:29:28
Speaker 3: He gave you such a big overaw pack gidget that the field.

00:29:35
Speaker 2: They can't keep up. They're not gonna keep up.

00:29:37
Speaker 3: Because one Kim, who he is, how he moves, is a whole different entity. Yes, so when you here, you can give us the drama. What are you gonna give us a charisma? Are you gonna be clever?

00:29:51
Speaker 2: All right? And that's who that Michael Jordan was to the world. How Cat is.

00:29:56
Speaker 3: So no matter who you got that everybody, we're gonna be judging it all the same, one man.

00:30:02
Speaker 2: And that's why I say, sometimes there comes a force in this world, nothing like him hasn't been seen.

00:30:07
Speaker 3: Before, that does something that just says, oh, what is this. I remember when you said, I think this is gonna go two point five, this is gonna go to the were gonna get about two point five? And somebody said you already got that right now? I had.

00:30:23
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I don't think anybody thought.

00:30:26
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was talking to somebody at the All Star I say, when when you saw Michael Jordan, you faced him in his rookie season. Think I was having a conversation with doctor j I said, you know, he said, no, I thought he was good. I thought he was very good. I thought he's gonna be a great player. But nobody thought he was gonna be that, and you didn't. And as great as as Cat was, and I was hoping for ten to fifteen million views, that's what people don't And I tell people this, I say, do you understand they're not a whole lot of there's not a whole lot of people sitting down having an interview a conversation that's doing that number. Yeah, I Steve, Steve Harvey ended up going over eleven million views. I got a couple of six million views. I said, well, do you understand what ten fifteen million views is? I say a sitcom they get ten fifteen million views to be on for twenty years if they got those numbers once a week.

00:31:23
Speaker 2: And so you telling me that, No, I didn't know.

00:31:27
Speaker 1: No, the only person that knew that he could generate this was Cat because he told me, he said, your life's gonna change.

00:31:34
Speaker 2: You're gonna be in a new realm, a new stratosphere, and people are.

00:31:37
Speaker 1: Gonna wanta gonna want to come on your podcast because you offer a safe space for people to tell their truth. But he said they're gonna come for you. And I was like, come on, Cat, I mean, I'm I just I just you know, I guess they I guess it's like somebody run. I guess I'm harving a fugitive.

00:31:57
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Man, Hey, he came to my house.

00:31:59
Speaker 1: But you you you held him up, you healthyvan cap So they looking at me because Key and Monique said what they said on my platform.

00:32:08
Speaker 2: They hold me cuporable. Now mind you I've done.

00:32:13
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel is my hundredth and tenth. He's up right now. Johnny Manziel is the one hundredth and tenth person different persons, because I haven't had any repeat yet, the one hundredth and tenth person that I've sat down with.

00:32:29
Speaker 2: They judged me on two podcasts. Yep.

00:32:34
Speaker 1: Now, I had DC youngs Lie, I had said Entertainer. I had Ricky Smiley, I had Michael Blaxon, I had Steve Harvey.

00:32:42
Speaker 2: I had Country Wayne, I had Desi Banks. But it's two. I've had Magic Johnson. I've had Floyd Mayweather. I had my brother.

00:32:52
Speaker 3: I had Demarga Rozen, I had lamar Odam, I had Steve Smith.

00:32:57
Speaker 2: It's two podcasts. Oh I mess up?

00:32:59
Speaker 1: So one less than two percent of the podcast that I've sat down with people, that's how you judge me.

00:33:09
Speaker 2: And it's funny because he knows.

00:33:15
Speaker 3: He told you this was gonna happen. To let you know how powerful. He knowed what he was holding in right, He knew his greatness. He knew what he was giving you.

00:33:29
Speaker 2: He knew it. That's why he can call it out. They're gonna come for you.

00:33:32
Speaker 3: There's only a few people that can beat that interview, and one that's them telling them themselves.

00:33:39
Speaker 2: Right, he got did he right? If he did, he come out with a confession's one boom right.

00:33:43
Speaker 3: And then you got the lady with the sexual hirling and whatever the hell that shit was, and she starts telling on. Yeah, those are the only two inted right that can come out and do some damage like that. But as the interview were, when someone says Mannon, I was like, oh, because he's supposed to know, right, he got his answers. I said, Shannon has his playbook. Yeah, came in with his own fucking playbook. So I and my thing was, I was talking, I was talking to my I was talking to someone. I said, So let me ask you this, who that's.

00:34:19
Speaker 1: In my space that do what I do? Would have told Cat Williams, Noah, Cat, we're not gonna. I don't want to I don't want to interview Cat. I don't want to interview Monique. I don't want to hear whatever you said. We don't believe and after he said, because at the end of the day, you might sit down with someone, but you don't have to hear it, and would have said on that, I just want to know, chat how.

00:34:39
Speaker 3: Many people you think that do what I do? From whomever, the breakfast club or whomever.

00:34:44
Speaker 1: Let's just say that five hundred people that's in the space that I'm currently in, how many of them would have cut cat off and not really and even if they do the interview and he said exactly what he said on mind not release it?

00:34:59
Speaker 2: How many many people.

00:35:00
Speaker 1: That's in the space? Monique has done thirteen million views? About what I thought you would get. I remember talking. I said, I believe you'll do somewhere between ten and fifteen million. If you do the break eye clip. She's over fifteen she's over fifteen million, but I thought the entire episode would be somewhere between ten and fifteen. So she's right there. For my dad thirteen million. Probably by the end of the year, she'd probably be at fifteen million. So it'll do what I thought it would do. But when you look at all the people that occupied the space that I occupy, I don't believe I believe they're being disingenuous when they said, oh, I wouldn't let him do this, or I wouldn't have said that, or I wouldn't have even aired the clip.

00:35:42
Speaker 2: I don't believe it.

00:35:43
Speaker 3: They're lying because the problem is they when you're interviewing someone. If I interview a football player right now, right, I only have certain information on the guy right, so he's telling you his truth.

00:35:59
Speaker 2: You don't know what's the truth. What's a lie for you to even call them out on anything?

00:36:05
Speaker 3: And that's why I said, no matter who says something to zero people will not air that.

00:36:11
Speaker 2: Zero people is not gonna air the Cat Williams order Monice because they don't know what. You're just listening to the guy talking boo know what the edit? You don't know because it's their story. They're telling her story. We're listening right. The only people that know that some of this stuff is a lie is that people that's involved.

00:36:32
Speaker 3: Now, the people that's involved, they gotta come and tell their side right now when Cat does.

00:36:38
Speaker 2: It, and then they start telling their signs. Now we're back, we're sitting here doing this.

00:36:42
Speaker 1: And you get to believe I don't try and I didn't say, oh, who can't we try to go to even bublic.

00:36:48
Speaker 2: He said what he said, I move on. She said what she said. I move on.

00:36:54
Speaker 1: Now, the viewing audience, the listening audience, you decide, I think he lied. That doesn't sound like something x y Z would do. That doesn't sound like something x y Z will say. Well, I don't believe that about knowing the person the character that that person is okay, but that's not for me to decide. I had no idea when I sat down with Cat Williams. Unfortunately, guys, I don't follow the comedy circuit that close.

00:37:18
Speaker 2: I don't.

00:37:19
Speaker 1: I just don't because I'm not gonna talk about it. I follow things that I know I'm gonna talk about. I'm gonna follow things that make me money, basketball, football, social issues. I follow stuff like that. I don't know about who likes who, who cool with? Who, Who stole this? Who stole that? I don't know, And I would be the little city in lying if I said I did so. When Cat came off, I knew who Cat Williams was. Helly used to live up in Gainesville. He and I having a conversation before you know, he moved.

00:37:51
Speaker 2: He left.

00:37:52
Speaker 1: He left the state of Georgia. He lives in a totally different state now, so I knew that, But all this stuff is telling me I didn't know. Can I don't follow it like that? That doesn't pay me money. Somebody want to tell me who my favorite I can tell you who my favorite comedians are and who I listened to and who I would pay my money to go see.

00:38:13
Speaker 2: But all this other stuff that he was talking about, I ain't no, I did it.

00:38:19
Speaker 3: Funny, And I'm watching it from I'm watching it from the standpoint of a host, and I'm saying, all right, what would I have cut out right? And I'm sitting here like nothing, What am I cutting out right?

00:38:32
Speaker 2: Right?

00:38:32
Speaker 3: If you know, Cedric the entertainer said this and I allowed it, then I have to give him a chance to respond, Steve Harvey a chance to respond. So these guys, I have to give him a chance to respond on the things that were said about him.

00:38:47
Speaker 2: So there's really nothing I can cut out.

00:38:49
Speaker 3: Without doing him any disjustice because.

00:38:51
Speaker 2: The one thing you don't want to do is you don't want to erase something. And then he calls you like, yo, why do you say this? Exactly? Because everybody say, well, he edited that out that's.

00:38:59
Speaker 1: Not what he's So most of the time, ninety eight percent of the time, ninety nine percent of the time, the interviews ran as an entirety yep.

00:39:11
Speaker 3: Unless they say something that jeopardizes the interview is yes, yes, yes, I'm not gonna lie. Like if I if he called like I said, if he saying something like I said, I didn't think he said anything, but like if he makes some anti Semitic statement or something that I think is gonna not only damage him but damage me also.

00:39:31
Speaker 1: I can't put that out and there, you know, so for me, they're like, well, Shelley, I like bro y'all. Actually, y'all got too much.

00:39:38
Speaker 3: Time with y'all head because shelleon Chllah got five jobs and sheaneon Sheannon is like researching, trying to get ready for first take, trying to get ready for nightcamp, trying to do the best deep dive.

00:39:50
Speaker 1: I can see J and I on guests on Club Shay Shape, but I don't follow it. That coach, I don't know they got beat that ain't got nothing to do with me. Stuff that I'm talking about football and basketball on a daily basis. And occasionally there was a time what during the pandemic that we had, the social issues, and we had to call it Kaepernick. So okay, now I've got to spend a lot of my time, okay, talking about that, dealing with that, researching that, going back to history and understanding the flag and understanding the Blacks and the flag and understanding what the flag represents and what I said, and people got madd say, the flag doesn't represent everything to everybody. It might mean something to him, but something totally different to him. And so because it means that to you, that doesn't mean that you it has to mean that to me. And so I'm researching and understanding the history of that. But this cat thing is like ro I did expect it to get I mean, it's about to hear sixty sixty million views sixty and was it?

00:40:49
Speaker 3: Are you at about three hundred three hundred all together all the impressions and everything, three hundred a million, No, three hundred million, over all the impressions and all, like I know you're over yeah, okay, okay, I was. That's like the all star numbers, right, some of the six just for that, but overall is I mean when you look at hold on, let me see I think I think he's done like one point five million likes or something, which is crazy.

00:41:16
Speaker 2: Let me see what can.

00:41:19
Speaker 1: The biggest problem was it is the Complex ranked you number one, and your stampeding goddamn it down. Just see many you put the goddamn Jordan ones in everybody's face right after so everybody.

00:41:36
Speaker 2: No, goddamn it, Shannon's number one next year too, God damn it. And that's the way it is.

00:41:41
Speaker 1: Got one point five million likes, two hundred and two thousand comments, which is crazy. And I think the thing is, Look, you lose your job in June, and in November December you rank number one sports personality and then you start.

00:42:00
Speaker 2: But I told you, I said I'm coming.

00:42:02
Speaker 1: I said, look, and I think the thing is is that because I was talking to a good friend of mine tonight and I said, I think the thing is what happened is that when I was down and I bounced back, not only did I bounce back quick, I bounced up so high.

00:42:18
Speaker 3: So he had to have done something. He had to have sold his soul. He had to have sold out his people. Even though nobody can tell you what I sold it or who I sold out, but I sold out our community and that's what. And I was like, man, they man, they mad it.

00:42:35
Speaker 2: They mad at me. They upset it me.

00:42:39
Speaker 1: No, they upset it's me that I got the cat interview because I don't believe it with sixty million views. And they know if you're in this space, they know what sixty million mews does. They know the monetary because people have done, people have done things. Trying to say, well, well if he does this much CPM and he gets this much, and he get this many downloads, and he gives this many this and he gives many deaths.

00:43:04
Speaker 3: They're like, hold on you, you you are you are during COVID Amazon right now? Yeah, right, you are, you are Amazon right now for for for content. Right If anybody want to get something out and they know it's gonna go foom, they come into you. If Kevin Hard wants to talk, you gotta come to you. If you are, you are that dude, right, And that's what the problem is. You gotta remember, for for the most part, everyone's haters, right. No one knows how to compete and say, hey, I'm trying to keep up with him. I'm I'm I'm I'm following his drift, right, And so it's like I'm trying to We're trying to take each other off the.

00:43:50
Speaker 2: Road and right, and that's the same thing.

00:43:52
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you know Gil won't put this on his channel, And now that you I said, I don't care.

00:43:57
Speaker 2: I said I won't Gil to succeed.

00:43:58
Speaker 1: I read make sure y'all subscribe to Gil, not only to its boy his YouTube channel, subscribe to his personal page. I want to see Gill win because I saw in the pandemic the US government print money, so I know they got a lot of it. If they run out of it, they'll print more. So I'm not gonna try. I'm not gonna get in the way of Gills making money. If I can help Gill make money, I'm gonna help.

00:44:21
Speaker 2: Gill make money.

00:44:22
Speaker 1: And if somebody comes along and they're better than me, and they do better job than me, and they get more sponsorive advertising and make more money, that's okay. Because at some point in time, I passed somebody up, and I know eventually somebody's gonna pass me up. But that's not gonna stop me from doing great content. I don't expect in my lifetime to ever do another interview like this, and that's okay, this is my thriller.

00:44:47
Speaker 2: I got thriller bad. Was not a bad album. Off the Wall was.

00:44:53
Speaker 1: I believe Off the Wall was his greatest album, even though it didn't have the commercial success it's thriller did.

00:44:59
Speaker 3: I think I've done some great interviews the Steve Harvey all. I think, for the most part, all the interviews that I've done have been very good. I mean, I got twenty four interviews with at least two million at least two million views.

00:45:13
Speaker 1: That's just a full episode, not counting the breakout clips. So to make it seem like all of a sudden, I just burst on the scene. Club Sha Sheane is about to be four years old in September, and I've been doing this and I got one hundred and ten episodes. I think the Johnny Man Sail interview is gonna be it's great. But if you don't think I can interview people, go back and look at some of my work at CBS when that's what was required, that that was their platform, and I gotta go out and I got to like, okay, you say this, well I got to say, well, how I got the stats to say that?

00:45:45
Speaker 2: Because that was that was a different. That was a different genre.

00:45:50
Speaker 1: That was an interview. I'm having a conversation, bro, I ain't asking nobody where you're from, sitting down with Tony Romo or Matthew Stanford somebody like that.

00:46:01
Speaker 2: I ain't what I thought down with Gates and where you from? Come home? Like like you see me when I ring number seven? I'm happy? What?

00:46:12
Speaker 3: Right? Because if you're a real competitor, right, you're looking at what people, what makes people great?

00:46:21
Speaker 2: You're not sitting there saying why them? Nope?

00:46:23
Speaker 3: Right because because asking the question of why them, you already lost.

00:46:28
Speaker 1: You said it.

00:46:28
Speaker 3: You got five jobs, right, You're like at Jamaican in this in this industry, right, that's why he has five jobs. At some point doing what he does, something's going to hit, right, Like I love the country.

00:46:43
Speaker 2: Ways country, Wayne said something, and I thought of you.

00:46:47
Speaker 3: I even hit him in a DM he said he was talking about he spends about two hundred and fifty thousand a month on content, do about three hundred videos. And he says he don't print, and then he prints content right the phones in my pocket and I'm listening to it and I said, wait, what did they just say? I had to rewind I don't print money, I print content. And I said, before I even think about what, I hit him, what did you mean by this? And he broke it down to me and I said, God damn it, I mean, I mean I gotta get my content game on as.

00:47:29
Speaker 2: And the thing girl, they don't see. Okay.

00:47:32
Speaker 1: I was in Indy last week. I couldn't fly back to LA. I flew back to Atlanta because guess what, I'm back in India again. Now I fly back in LA, but I got to turn around and come back to Jersey. Now I can't go all the way back to LA. Gotta stop at Atlanta because I gotta go to Dallas, and then I fled to Then I fly from Dallas to LA and then guess what, a week later, I got to be in Colorado, and then a week after that, I gotta fly back to Georgia.

00:47:56
Speaker 2: So that's what you see. You judging me for where I am, but you don't know where I'm being, and you don't know where I'm going.

00:48:03
Speaker 1: And I don't make. I don't make, I don't know. Let and my sister always say, says, Shannon, don't burn yourself. I shunning you're going you're going at a break next speed, I said, Live. I asked the man above to give me this. I'm prepared for this. I'm prepared for this moment. I've always felt I could do it. I just needed somebody to give me the opportunity. Okay, I created a space. I got people to come with me. Ash the first two people I hired for my company, Shayshed Media well Sij Christian Deer and Ashley. I'm man, I ain't got no job, Ash called me. Says, Shannon, you got a job, No, she said, but I'm still going with you.

00:48:43
Speaker 2: CJ.

00:48:44
Speaker 1: Hey, Shannel, what you're gonna do? I said, c J, I don't know what I'm gonna do, but whatever it is, I want you to be a part of it. He said, Shannon. We created something special. I want to be a part of it moving forward. Just let me know what you're gonna do. I'm paying them by my pocket until I got until Hey, talking to different people, you know, talking to Colin Cowherd, talking to this group, talking to that group. But I know call it a little bit. And I trust Jamie Horwiz because he hired me at the volume. Yep, this is what I believe I can do. We ain't got the nightcap yet. Start talking about nightcap.

00:49:20
Speaker 2: Jamie and I. We sit around coming back. Who you want? I said, I think o Jo Sinko. He's like, huh, he's not doing TV, I said.

00:49:27
Speaker 1: But I said, I need somebody that was really good at football but doesn't take himself too serious.

00:49:33
Speaker 2: He can joke and he can take a joke. I said, that's what you need. That's what you need.

00:49:38
Speaker 1: I say, because we're not going to get a chance, a second chance to get people to tune in.

00:49:43
Speaker 2: We're not.

00:49:44
Speaker 1: So we got the gravel yep, and that's what we did. And so that's what I've done. And instead of you know, but I get it, I didn't. I didn't see it at first. But now after you know, having something to say to Mike and having something to say a few people, and I look at other people. They're creating concient off of what I'm saying. I said, well, I'll well just keep the content for myself and put it up on my own damn page. Your mountetizing, y'all monetized, y'all ain't doing no work.

00:50:13
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, I ain't doing no work.

00:50:17
Speaker 3: You know, you know what you know what you are right now, And this is why you gotta you gotta step back to They don't know your work ethic, but they're judging you from a lens that is not even close to them. Now you see why someone like Kevin Durant andam would be defending himself on burner accounts because if you call, if you say something about Kevin, right, Kevin is probably watching right now, oh sure, because if he ain't watching, he's practicing. If he's ain't practicing, he's watching, he's watching his phone, he's watching the dude, he's watching game tape. So when you when someone comes at you and you defend yourself and people, it's like you'll watch and defending himself. He's not defending himself in the sense of his integrity. He's defending his work ethic. He's defending everything he's put into it. And you making it seem like it's easy. You're making it.

00:51:19
Speaker 2: Seem like what he does is just he wakes up and gets to do that. You just said your next damn.

00:51:25
Speaker 3: Three weeks, and I'm sitting here like shit, that's like seven flights, eight flights, hotel, hotel room. You're moving faster than the NBA team right now, And I still got to do first take, and I still got to do night camp, and I still got to I'm home for two days and I got to sitting down on Tuesday and Wednesdays. Then I'm out back to Jersey data. But that's what they don't see. So when they throw the shots at you, you defending your work ethic, right, Yeah, you can talk about the interview and talk about me personally.

00:51:54
Speaker 2: Don't try to pretend what I'm doing and I'm not putting that that work.

00:52:00
Speaker 3: You sitt behind your computer just taking jabs at me, and I'm sitting here, flying across the country doing my goddamn job. And that's how some of the athletes feel when when people come at it. It's more of like I had to nobody wanted me. I had to build a studio. This studio right here was built to do interviews. When I was thinking about interviewing, I was like, Yeah, when I do interviews and somebody wants me in an interview, I want to set. I don't want to sit there and do my phone and do this, you know, I want to set to make it look professional so they can take me seriously.

00:52:33
Speaker 2: Right, I wake up today three.

00:52:35
Speaker 3: Thirty to look at the words end because we got the one we got the anniversary of the year.

00:52:40
Speaker 2: I'm a three thirty taken notes. Like, so I be on the point. Let me go ahead search this search down because I know what it takes, because I.

00:52:49
Speaker 3: Watch greatness do what greatness does, right, and I think that's what some people doing. The mighty be like yeah, man, you throw shots at Steven and you throw shot and I said, that's just competitiveness. That has not what they the reason I pay attention to everything Like Ulcho.

00:53:07
Speaker 2: When you said o Cho Sinko, I was like, the one person that that should be sitting on the social media all day is Ocho.

00:53:17
Speaker 3: He just has that personality back from twenty ten eleven, he was just funny as hell, and I was like, yo, he's the social media darling, right, Jamie didn't understand that you did, right, somebody else who's who's who's sitting there who can grab numbers is by Marshawn Lynch, Right.

00:53:35
Speaker 2: I look at for the standpoint the same way you look.

00:53:37
Speaker 3: At it, like who's great combos as you know, because sometimes everybody doesn't see it, you know, so like you.

00:53:44
Speaker 2: And Ultra I'll be sitting there dying laugh and it's like these are he makes you feel young.

00:53:50
Speaker 3: And that's the fact he made Mile Like even when I'm watching it, I just automatically just cheeze.

00:53:57
Speaker 2: People think it's easy.

00:53:57
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's easy, everybody could do it, even don't realize I worked on getting Cat for over a year. A year I started reaching out to Cat back in twenty twenty two. Yeah, maybe I think, Yeah, I don't know.

00:54:11
Speaker 2: Probably. Yeah.

00:54:12
Speaker 1: We say I don't like to to really do I don't like to do sit down. You heard him say it. I don't do these often. And to get him to sit down and to get him to feel comfortable enough to open up Monique, to get her to feel talk to Monique. She's like, she's like, baby, I'm gonna need to talk to you. You're gonna need hey, put I'm gonna speak a phone. I talked to her and her husband, MO, I ain't gonna put you in a bad spot. This is your opportunity. You come on here, you speak. I'm not gonna interrupt you. You tell your truth.

00:54:47
Speaker 2: That's it.

00:54:49
Speaker 1: You got a team. I brought a team out first, a whatever you need. Hey, She's like, shall I gotta make up? I got this, I got this. I'm gonna need these people to try no problem. Are these the people that normally travel with you?

00:55:02
Speaker 2: Boom boom boom.

00:55:03
Speaker 1: Gotta take care of it. Do you need a place to stay? We got all that taken care of she said, no, baby, I'm coming in. I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna get back on the floor. Okay, whatever you need. Do we have need to have anything?

00:55:14
Speaker 2: Do we have food? Cater No? Hey, we could. I'm very respectful. I talked a lot of times. I talked to the guests. Uh, you know what are you?

00:55:26
Speaker 1: Are you pitching anything? You have a movie, you got a book, you have something coming out, something you want to promote. I believe everybody should benefit from coming on Club shay Shape, not just Shannon. I believe you should benefit if you got something you want to promote. I got almost three million subs. It's gonna be seen by a lot of different people.

00:55:46
Speaker 3: By the time I put it up on YouTube, by the time I put it up on ig I put it up on Twitter, I put it on my Facebook, we chop it up, put it on TikTok.

00:55:54
Speaker 2: A lot of eyes gonna see this. So I want everybody, I want everything. I look at it. You come into my house and I prepare the table, and I want everybody to feast.

00:56:07
Speaker 3: And that's and that, and that's why everybody mad because you are giving out a one red carpet service and you force everybody to step They damn game up when they wasn't ready to.

00:56:21
Speaker 2: Right you you talking about you, you fly and everybody out you're doing it. They can't do this, they can't do it.

00:56:28
Speaker 3: So so what ends up happening is are we mad? And you're done raise the price and you don't got Lebron James. You done got all these people in your arena. Ticket prices go up. And that's what you said on people's podcasts, right, you put the price a red carpet event now right, So there's a you know.

00:56:47
Speaker 2: So if I want the club, say Shae experience. Goddamn, I gotta go to the club, Say Shane for sure, I can do this. No, Chill gill ain't give you none of that. And I don't. I don't. I'm not. You don't come on my I don't.

00:56:59
Speaker 1: I don't judge. Read like well, you asked, you asked Brittany Renta. I said, I didn't ask Brittany rent anything. She volunteered and said that she and I have a great conversation before I talked to her. I said, Brittany, I'm not trying to put you in no bad spot. She's like, I'm an open book, she says, Shane, I ain't got anything to hide. I've done what I've done, and I'm I'm who I am. Okay, tell what you need from me. She's like, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be out here. I'm gonna be out here in La at this certain time. I say, okay, this is the time that I normally shoot. I can move it up or back, you know, thirty minutes. I will give it to accommodate you. I'm anc commodating the guests. That's why I try to I try to do my I try to do my tapings a gilt on Thursdays and Friday because I'm working. I got Sunday night night Camp. I got a first take, then I got Nightcap again, I got first take, and so what I'm trying to do is like, okay, I don't really have anything. And then you know, Wednesday, I got Nightcap with you. We'll have Thursday again. But okay, I can do so I'm try to do everything. Guests say, Shannon, I can only shoot Monday.

00:58:04
Speaker 2: Okay.

00:58:05
Speaker 1: Chris Brown said, hey, I love I want to sit down with you up man, He said, I appreciate you the support that you're giving me. I can only do it Friday at eight o'clock at my house.

00:58:17
Speaker 3: I'm there t I said, hey, hey, hey, bro I I hey, you know, I want to sit down with a Georgia homie.

00:58:24
Speaker 2: But I can only do Saturday at four o'clock in the afternoon.

00:58:30
Speaker 3: There ain't there's not a time that a guest can say, Shannon, I can sit down in which I will not have that team ready.

00:58:37
Speaker 1: So it ain't no updates. If you work with Club Shay Shape or you work with Nightcap, there is no day off because I called you on you on call like a doctor.

00:58:45
Speaker 2: It's cold. Hey, you on call? I call. It might be a Thursday if I call.

00:58:52
Speaker 1: If I call this team and say, hey, we got an interview tomorrow at two, I guarantee you that thing is gonna be lining up when that guests come in. He's gonna miked up or he gonna get mixed up and be ready to go. That's how we operate. If you don't want to operate on doctor's rulee, doctor's cold on twenty four hours. Notice, Hey, shay shape, media ain't the place for you. It's really that simple. There's only one way we're gonna do things. This is my way right here. And everybody knows as Hey, she's on calls all the time. She's hit me up, shouting what do you think about this? Shouting what do you think about that? A lot of stuff she does, handles like he's not gonna do that. He doesn't want to do any of that. No, he's gonna be mad if y'all do this. But that's the way we operate, Gril. We are a well boiled machine, well oil. And I said, look this is what Look this my team, immediate team. This is way we're gonna take our vacation.

00:59:43
Speaker 4: Now.

00:59:43
Speaker 1: If you need to take a vacation before that, you're probably gonna come back and they ain't gonna have a job. Who s This is the way we're gonna do it. Now, you won't end. I'm gonna pay you a great salary, a great salon.

00:59:57
Speaker 3: I'm talking about great Jordan, You'll a great salary, You're gonna fly you.

01:00:04
Speaker 1: Hey, you're gonna stay a great hotel. You're gonna get everything count. But I'm gonna need you X Y and Z. You want to work out, he loves working out. Don't let work out. Getting awhere of what we got to do. Now if you got to take your answer at midnight and go work out, go work out at midnight.

01:00:19
Speaker 3: But don't you miss nothing. Man the man, I damn it want a job. But but but I hope everybody, I hope everybody is taking notes because you you're asking the question why someone successful and he's telling you exactly why.

01:00:41
Speaker 2: And I'm I'm I'm sitting.

01:00:42
Speaker 3: Here like, okay, So look, I need to get I need to get my ship together right because you know, there there's levels, there's steps to this.

01:00:51
Speaker 2: Right, you know.

01:00:52
Speaker 3: And and having a solid team, you know, is step one. Having one that really believes in the Brandish have one din from there, you know, just putting heads together.

01:01:02
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm always in awe of listening to you know why you're at the top.

01:01:10
Speaker 4: Right.

01:01:10
Speaker 2: We can all sit here and guess and stuff, but there is a machine in.

01:01:17
Speaker 1: Oh we wish oh okay, it ain't no ifs and the bus about it and people like, well you know, and I'm like, hey, well yeah, we think this is a guy.

01:01:24
Speaker 2: I say, well, okay, what's the work as it?

01:01:26
Speaker 3: Nah?

01:01:26
Speaker 1: I said, well, it ain't gonna work. It's not gonna work. I mean, you come up in this thing, were working. We work because people say, people like, well, I want this, this and this, but are you willing to work for it?

01:01:38
Speaker 2: Are you willing to pay the price that it takes to be successful. I am.

01:01:43
Speaker 1: I know what it takes to be successful. I've been successful and damnitar everything that I've done. But there's a price to be paid for that. There's a work ethicic needs to go in. There's a study habit, and hey, I ain't got no problem with working because I work harder for less. So if I could and I work harder for other people, I said, So, if I can work that hard and I'm getting a check, now, I like this marketplace because I can create. There ain't no ain't no, ain't no salary cap on this. I can make as much money as at the content. If I produce great content and people like my content. There ain't no telling how much I can make. But I love that aspect of it. Yes, I love putting it on me because I don't have the luxury of having somebody that's gonna cut me a check. M Okay, Okay, we're gonna eat. We gonna eat, but we're gonna work. You eat what you killed, O, Gil. That's that's a simple plight.

01:02:43
Speaker 2: You eat what you care.

01:02:45
Speaker 1: Well, old Lion's gonna start the RUMs. He's like, damn, we ain't killed another day Friday. What we're gonna do, Well, we gotta.

01:02:53
Speaker 2: Get on our grind.

01:02:54
Speaker 1: We gotta get better at our tactics in which we can corner this animal.

01:02:59
Speaker 2: Well, we gotta get better.

01:03:00
Speaker 1: And I attacked it in which we can create this content in which people want to consume. They want to see it, they want to hear it. That's how we do it, Gil, That's how we do it. And I've got great teammates that want that want to do this, and if they don't, I can't be here. He kill I tell everybody that the same thing my grandfather told my brother and I. He say, y'all ain't got to do nothing, But you just can't do it here. You ain't gotta work hard.

01:03:30
Speaker 2: You just can't do it here. You got to give a I did everything. What you want?

01:03:37
Speaker 1: You want to forward k boom? You want to health and benefits boom. You want to keep what were you making? Okay, I'm gonna give you thirty five thousand more than what you was making. But I'm buried demanding you. You can see my person I am buried demanded. But that's what they want, and that's what we get. We travel good, Jill. Let's get it to your MVP picks. Nikola Jokis twenty six, twelve and nine nuggets, thirty six and thirteen, Shae thirty thirty one, five and a half, six and a half, thirty seven and seventeen, Jannis Attakumpo Greek Free thirty one, eleven, six and a half, thirty five and twenty one, Luka Dancis thirty four points nine rebounds, nine and a half since thirty two and twenty three, and Jason Tatum twenty seven, eight point six five, forty three and twelve.

01:04:26
Speaker 2: Who's MVP right now?

01:04:29
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Shae, okay, And the reason I'm gonna go with Shae is it's the youngest team in the NBA, No one had this team at two at the All Star break. You have a young guy leading a young team and he's putting up the same numbers as.

01:04:53
Speaker 2: Guys who have superstars with them.

01:04:56
Speaker 3: So it's hard for me to give a superstar to benefit of the doubt when he has another player with him, and you have a guy who has not one proven soul following his lead. He is Shannon Sharp in around you, right. I ain't got no job right now. I don't know what we're gonna do, but I know I want you with me, and he's taking them to the Promised Land right now. So it's like, that's who I'm going with. That's the MVP.

01:05:24
Speaker 2: You think you think he could do enough to finish out the season at the MVP.

01:05:31
Speaker 3: To be honest, man, if voters are voting on what an MVP is, if his team is top three, it'll be it'll be wild. Because Minnesota you have you have Man, you have Rudy, you you have Cat right, you know Lake the Clipper Ship, you got damn Neary. Why Paul, George, Harden and h Russell for the champions right, Denver, you are the definition champions, so you should be number one. So the only person in here who does not have a resume or a team that has a resume is Shade, and he's good en up thirty, so it's going to be hard to knock him off like you would have to be so biased and try to justify him not winning it because no one put him in this category here right.

01:06:26
Speaker 1: Believe the Lakers can turn it around after the All Star Game. A Laker Warrior, the elimination game will give the standing, would give the standing give us now, Lakers has considerable work remaining.

01:06:36
Speaker 2: Tod you move up to the ad spot.

01:06:38
Speaker 1: But the Lakers have played much better late and could play even better once than Witty acclimates himself. I think the thing for me, Gil, what I love most about the Lakers is that the way they played when Lebron didn't play, that lets me know that when he comes back, what they're cable of I saw d Lo d Loo has been unbelievable. Anthony Davis been healthy, He's been a monster. He's gonna be on the All NBA team. Austin Reed just gets better, better and better, and I love the Den With the addition, I believe he's gonna get it better and Rui Hottimore, Ruy.

01:07:12
Speaker 2: Been spectacular.

01:07:14
Speaker 1: How high do you believe they can go? Can they get to the five? Can they get to the six? Are they relegated? Do you believe they're gonna remain in the play in? Because right now they're nine. The sixth spot is offer by the Pelicans at thirty three, so they're they're like three games back of the Pails.

01:07:35
Speaker 2: I actually think they can get to six.

01:07:40
Speaker 3: It all, it's all going to really depend on this when they're when they don't have Lebron, it seems like it seems like a student when the substitute teacher gets there, right, they themselves right, they themselves.

01:07:58
Speaker 2: Act like that like I need Ruey and Olim be you.

01:08:03
Speaker 3: When Lebron gets back, get out the fanboy attack, to get out.

01:08:08
Speaker 2: The you know, let Lebron. I need to worry about what Lebron's thinking. Fuck what he's thinking.

01:08:14
Speaker 3: Be you. He will adjust to you. That's what makes guys great. They will adjust to you. He is gonna be looking at all right. You guys are doing this all right? I can I can take a couple of days off, right, and then when you really need me to step up, I can step up, but they have to really go in and and and be aggressive. And if they if they get to come out and be aggressive while Lebron is on that floor, I think they can get six Time Brown last segment of the day where we answer y'all super chat questions.

01:08:50
Speaker 2: It's called Q and A check this gial hey man all right him.

01:09:08
Speaker 1: Underscore nine ten asked do you think the NBA could somehow incorporate Ice cubes Big Three during the All Star weekend?

01:09:16
Speaker 2: If the NBA and Cube could come to some kind of agreement.

01:09:20
Speaker 3: And now that I think about it, I'm kind of mad that I said that because I'm a fan of Cube and I put out the three like.

01:09:28
Speaker 2: You, you know it would be it would be appreciated.

01:09:39
Speaker 3: By retired players in Cube if you try to really incorporate the three on three into the All Star Game and really give it back, not necessarily to Cube himself, but give back to your legacy, because your legacy isn't that doctor J there, Brent Barry is there, you know right, The guys aren't there, so you're not giving back to him. You're giving back to them, right, So to try to incorporate this three on three and they could be the coaches of it, and it'd be for a great story. It doesn't infringe on what the NBA is doing having a three, but like you're retired players who are retiring, they have a place to go.

01:10:21
Speaker 2: You should be part of that. Our Stone said, we need a dunk contest of champions. What you mean and them guys old who what champions?

01:10:36
Speaker 3: Man?

01:10:36
Speaker 2: Mitaeljeordan, how Mike like sixty have been a dunk? No more?

01:10:43
Speaker 1: Man Vince Vince like forty seven? He can dunk still though, Bud, you know, getting up like he once could.

01:10:55
Speaker 2: I think they should do this.

01:10:57
Speaker 3: I think they should put a rule in anybody who entered the dunk contest, right, you pay him and that contract is a three year contract unless they are hurt.

01:11:07
Speaker 2: So now like somebody like a Jayalen Green and you got these dunkers, so.

01:11:11
Speaker 3: Like you know somebody like zac Lavina and them, you have them for three years, and you get to protect your integrity of the dunk contest for at least three years, and you just keep moving into these ends. You know, John Morant, I get him for three years, right the zion I can get him for three and you try to protect it that way where you can, you know, lock him down to a three year contract instead of going each year trying to figure out, you know what I mean, who's gonna participate this year? Uh? Stephanie Warfield asked Gil, how do you feel about women's feet.

01:11:51
Speaker 2: As as for what I'm gonna just put them in your mind? Are they Clinton? Man?

01:11:58
Speaker 3: Unless they got build a goal them, ain't putting them in my mouth. They gotta be paid a PhD. Listen, I'm what they call shallows. I got my eyes, I got my eye on the ball. I'm not I don't care about your finger, nails and neck. Where I'm going is it good? If it's good, I don't care about the grass.

01:12:23
Speaker 2: So now we night camp after dark?

01:12:25
Speaker 3: God dagg, Gil, I was trying to get out of here, and there you go, got this night camp after Lord. Listen, hey, listen, when I walk in and there's roaches on the wall house, the food here, this is the food's good. I get Hey, I don't know, roaches crusting, but it's good. I might need to let you and oos have. I'm hey, I'm gonna kicks some I'm gonna.

01:12:51
Speaker 2: Kiss some cors. Baby.

01:12:53
Speaker 1: One tell you baby, I'm gonna go to the IM. Gonna go to the drawer and get a pair of my socks and put on your feet.

01:13:00
Speaker 2: Hey, socks on.

01:13:01
Speaker 3: Listen if you got your T shirt on because you you cared about your your stretch march.

01:13:06
Speaker 2: Don't get o lord. I'm not here to judge Gil Man Gil saying he's so Gil I couple, gil Joy not judge. I thought you, Gil, I thought you.

01:13:19
Speaker 4: You know.

01:13:21
Speaker 3: Man, here this man said he don't care about nothing. Hey, hey, you might have been a hooper. He might have been a hooper back in the day.

01:13:29
Speaker 2: And he got toes.

01:13:32
Speaker 1: No, but I'm not gonna judge he yeah, old comedy, said Gil. Lie he be on them tools heavy. Now kill saying he be on the toes heavy, yeah, gil Gil say, Gil say he ain't got Gill say, hey, look here, he ain't got no standards, not.

01:13:50
Speaker 3: Not no, this is not no toes and no head listen, Gil say anything toos and fuse freezing powles.

01:13:58
Speaker 2: Hey, everybody looked pretty one in life. Go out to two ten. You know what eight you ain't a lady two ten? Copy in two twenty. I have a minute, Hey two twenty. You just can't get on top. You know what I mean. I'm trying to breathe out. You know what I mean. That's it? Oh Jo say uh uh uh, o Jo say you eat cakes?

01:14:22
Speaker 3: Uh?

01:14:24
Speaker 2: What's the flame? Hunk, that's the flame? I need a water joke up here? What's the flame?

01:14:37
Speaker 3: Man? O Joe, you, you and Gill need to do a segment after dark. I was doing the work clown with you and give take over. Now go a little whooped cream.

01:14:52
Speaker 2: And Oh Joe said you have got cause uh because he that's what he do too. Whoo oh Joe.

01:15:02
Speaker 1: Man Uh Trey saying, hey, guys, love the show caught pneumonia. Could I get a prayer?

01:15:08
Speaker 2: Love?

01:15:08
Speaker 1: Been watching early Undisputed, letting the haters talk and you going up Trade, Bro, I'm glad you're back with us.

01:15:14
Speaker 3: Bro.

01:15:14
Speaker 1: I am sorry because I know that pneumonia get you down, boy and had me down. But I couldn't take no days off, but I had. I had to fight through with Trade. But I'm glad, Bro. I am glad you're better. I'm glad you're back on your feet. Thanks for the support and everybody in the chatter seeing you. Love and prayers. Make sure you feel better. Stay better, Bro, We really appreciate you, d Row asked her. If we keep scoring for thirty days, you a rc who is the cleanest?

01:15:40
Speaker 2: Who wins?

01:15:41
Speaker 3: Man?

01:15:44
Speaker 2: I retired my crown as best the best dress. Many y'all know what I do. May y'all know what I do?

01:15:51
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I didn't get I didn't. I stopped like going overboard with the dress because I didn't want people to take the ball and go home.

01:16:03
Speaker 2: But they know me.

01:16:04
Speaker 1: They know, they know what I bring to the table. They know I keep that thing. Was you like that when you played? The only time I wore suit is when we traveled. I didn't wear suit to the game like a lot of these guys do now. But I dressed up. Uh, you know, had turtlenecks and and you know jeans and had Chelsea boots or you know, different different stuff like that.

01:16:25
Speaker 2: But I didn't.

01:16:26
Speaker 1: I didn't come to the game with a T shirt on like some of these guys, the flip flocks. But uh, I was very presentable. I always cared about how I looked, even when I didn't really have any money. I had Lee jeans and Izard and Fox shirts and your bowls and had all that stuff. So I was one of those guys that always, you know, cared about my appearance and made sure I was, you know, clean, even though you can't tell.

01:16:49
Speaker 2: Now I got to shave in the morning. But uh but no, no, Arcie, you know you can't see me. Who this is?

01:17:02
Speaker 3: Now?

01:17:02
Speaker 2: This man oo to my heat, the best dressed with ease. Listen. I can't compete. I'm not even I don't know if I'm a thirty six or thirty eight. You just you just grabbing it, throwing on her.

01:17:23
Speaker 4: I just.

01:17:25
Speaker 2: Look, hey, y'all, y'all think I'm playing. Look, I get dressed to pretend that my ship together. I got it.

01:17:32
Speaker 1: Listen, I got this on which flipflop? Yeah, but you you, you and you and you and signed. So you good as long as you don't leave your house like that, you straight. I went to the mall like that mercy man. How was at the mall like this?

01:17:51
Speaker 2: Huh m hmm.

01:17:54
Speaker 1: I work, I mean, man, I don't work lip flops. I don't wear saying no more right like if I'm at the house, I wear crocs in the house cause you know, she'dn't say I'm dirty, So I gotta take my shoes off at the door, put the crocs on. I got shoes that I take the dog, got the back with, or I walk the dog rout of the neighborhood.

01:18:18
Speaker 2: So no, but sometimes sometimes Gil when I'm just I've.

01:18:23
Speaker 1: Run to the store. But it's early in the morning. It's like as soon as the supermarket open, it's over at seven. I'm there at seven or two. I'm doing the first guy in there, grab what I got to grab, and I'm up out of that. So I don't get too dressed. But if I'm going and I think somebody might see me, now, the worst they're probably gonna see me with workout closed, because a lot of times sometimes I stop by after work it out and I got workout closed.

01:18:45
Speaker 2: But I ain't.

01:18:46
Speaker 1: I ain't shabby, I ain't I ain't haggardly or anything like that. But I try to be as presentable as possible when I step out.

01:18:54
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay.

01:18:56
Speaker 1: D Love asks, Oh, do you have a clothing line? Nope, but I'm about to get one. We're working on it. We're working on a d Love. We're working on it. We're we're working on it. We put some we've been working on it for now for about three four months, and so I think we're gonna have something here in the next month that I'm very very excited about, very very very very d love excited about.

01:19:23
Speaker 2: You gotta sit in your package. I got you.

01:19:25
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01:19:58
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01:20:06
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01:20:19
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01:20:20
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01:20:54
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