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Speaker 1: The volume. No, Oh my god, how could he do that?
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Speaker 2: Charles Darwin?
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Speaker 3: The nerves is where it's at.
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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody back into Nerves set as always. I'm Carson Brever, and alongside me is Logan Camden Intoday, because it is still basically the All Star break, we have Lakers Hornets returning to action tonight. Yippie. We're gonna take this opportunity to look at basketball history a bit and do an all time all offense draft. I tweeted out my top four tiers of offensive peaks in NBA history the other day, so this kind of got me thinking this could be a very fun exercise. So that's it. Can't reiterate that enough, because I know somebody's gonna look at these rosters and say something about defense. This is literally just offense, imagining that you only play that side of the game, that half of the game. Logan, we have to decide who gets the first pick here. I think we do it with an honorable game of rock paper scissors.
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Speaker 1: Let's do it, all right?
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Speaker 2: What are we shooting? Are we shooting on three? Or are we shooting on one? Two?
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Speaker 1: Three?
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Speaker 2: Go all right?
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Speaker 1: I also say we for audio listeners, I also say we announced just what we do well afterwards?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, okay, all right, okay, okay, I will I'll give you a non verbal clue. All right, rock paper scissors.
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Speaker 1: Shoot, that was.
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Speaker 2: Weird time, and man, that was weird time. And god damn it, I was gonna go rock, and then I said, no, he's gonna go rock, So I'm gonna go paper. All right. So the way that we're gonna do this is instead of doing a snake draft, which would just be kind of weird since it's only the two of us, so we would basically just be going double up picks every time, we're going to do a fixed draft. But then after we get through our starting five, we're gonna flip the order, so Logan will pick first through the first five rounds, and then I will pick first through the remaining rounds and we're just gonna fill out a twelve man complete roster here. So I'm not gonna lie. I think the first pick is a very big advantage, and I am very jealous. But who would you like to take?
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Speaker 1: I do too. I think it's a big advantage, and I'm gonna be taking the Kola Jokic with the first overall pick. The reason I'm gonna take Jokic specifically because I don't know if Yokic would be on my big board. It's specifically the fact that I have the number one overall pick, and I think Jokic's greatness at the center position is the biggest advantage that he has in this draft, his positional value compared to other big men that I could take. Right, Uh, yeah, you look at a dominant big men like Shack right and how he can dominate the interior. Jokic's impact is just so versatile offensively that I don't know how much of that I can really create in the aggregate from any other center. Right Wilt Right at his peak, say, we're getting the peak versions of these guys. Is an elite playmaker and an elite scorer as well. But right, that's why I didn't take Jordan, Because I thought about taking Jordan number one overall here just because he is the greatest scorer of all time, and what is the most valuable skill set in basketball? Scoring the basketball? So I thought about taking Jordan here. But it's specifically the positional value of a Jokich that I'm getting an elite shooter of the basketball that I'm getting an elite mismatch attack or a guy that can get to his spots at will and an elite playmaker at the position. I just think it's the best positional value for a player on the board. And I mean, he's just an all time offensive player. So I'm going to take him number one.
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Speaker 2: I think it's very straightforward. I agree with what you said about the gap between him and any other center offensively. It's just such distinct value that he provides with the all time great playmaking, with the floor spacing that you're getting from him, that none of these other all time great centers compared to you. I also just think it is the highest offensive peak in NBA history period. I think the combination of overwhelming scoring dominance in so many different ways as a roller, as a popper out of the post, completely unstoppable, his off ball ability, his ability to affect the game without the ball in his hands. As a screener, he's so quick and decisive with his touches, He's so overwhelmingly efficient. I think he was an obvious number one pick. I am going to take with my first pick, Steph Curry. And the reason that I'm doing that is because I don't want to reveal too much about my strategy here. But when I'm trying to construct the greatest offense ever and I know that I'm going to be getting a bunch of all time great talents, I want you to fit seamlessly with any personnel combination, and I want dudes who are ceiling raizers. This is what we say about Steph right, he is not the best floor raizer offensively in NBA history, because that has to be a guy who is more ball dominant, who can make every decision for an offense, maybe a little bit more physically imposing. But when you're talking about putting guys who are really good with the ball in their hands, who are really talented offensive players into an offense, the best possible guy to amplify that offense is the dude who is going to consistently draw two defenders away from the ball, who is going to be constantly moving, constantly stressing the defense. The most impactful off ball player ever, the most impactful player ever in terms of spacing right, pulling defenders out thirty five feet, running high pick and roll. That's everything that I got from Steph. So he's actually a pretty easy number two pick for me. Within the context of this draft.
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Speaker 1: I was really hoping Steph was gonna fall to me at like five or seven. Stephan was quick dreaming Steph was fourth on my big board. Okay, it's a really good pick, though, I mean, it's aid malleability man. There's nobody that has a skill set quite like Stephan Curries. That's why I think he's the greatest point guard at all time. All due respect to Magic and his accolades and his accomplishments, I just think there's a different level of impact that Steph has. So I'm gonna take Michael Jordan here at three. I've got the most one of the most dominant offensive players of all time with Jokic, and I'm getting the greatest scorer of all time. I think they'll perfectly compliment each other. It's pretty simple. I thought you were gonna take Jordan with the second pick, so I am very astatic to have Jokic and Jordan on the same squad.
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Speaker 2: Mj would have been my third pick if we were doing a snake draft, because he's another guy who I think is very well suited to scale alongside other great players because he is such an absolute weapon as an off ball score, He's a really good playmaker, but he doesn't have to dominate the ball, and like is just one of the great play finishers we've ever seen, and is literally the best ever in terms of putting the ball in the basket. So I like that pick a lot. I'm gonna take Lebron here with my second pick. The reason that I would slightly prefer MJ to Lebron in this draft is because of the same rationale that I've been talking about. I want ceiling raising. I want dudes who can really impact the game off ball, who have versatility, who don't need to have the ball in their hands a ton, But Lebron is still just incredible. I mean, yes, I think that all go with twenty eighteen Lebron here, just because I think that was the most offensively realized version. That's when he is definitely at his best as a pure mismatch tacker. Just as an absolute bully, he had added so much strength, and certainly when he's his most surgical in the half court, is just an absolute pick and roll genius. But I also think if you put him in an offensive context like this, where there are gonna be a lot of other great offensive players. He can be an effective catch and shooter, he can be really effective as a cutter. He can fill a number of roles, and he can be that sort of lead ball handler, dominant big point guard, and again any team that we're facing, like, I just love his ability to pinpoint the weakest defender on the floor and say I am going to impose my will on you and him and Steph playing together. That combination of rim pressure and playmaking from Lebron with steph shooting and Steph's off ball movement, I mean, it's just an absolute dream.
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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I mean, you just put any amount of shooting around Lebron and you're gonna have an elite offense. I mean, that is as deadly as a combo as they come. The malleability point that you were talking about is why I'm gonna go with this player at five. I'm gonna take Larry Bird.
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Speaker 2: Damn it, Logan, you're cooking. You're cooking. You're taking the same dudes I would have in those spots.
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Speaker 1: We're focusing solely on offense here, and while Larry's a good defender and a rebounder as well, a lot of his value comes from there. I mean, he's such a perfect fit when you think about guys that can just plug and play into any offensive system. There's another guy that I would really wanted this next pick. We'll see if you take him. I got a feeling he's gonna come off the board. But I really value floor spacing and shooting right. Defenders just naturally have to respect you take it for granted. Sometimes with teams that don't have elite spacing right, you'll watch a game and a guy will have let's say, ten clean drives to the paint every game. But that's because the defense has to respect the shooters. In bad situations, I'll use the Pistons as an example last year, where you can just throw two or three defenders at CAD because it's like, who cares Beef stew isn't putting up a three. If he is, I don't care, Right, you can just leave guys. Shooting is so so valuable in the context of offense and how it shakes defense is and what you need to do on top of that, Larry's a phenomenal passer, a phenomenal playmaker. He's fundamentally unselfish, He's a really, really good connecting piece, and I'm a static to get him here with my third pick.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm really really starting to regret that I didn't throw Rock there because you're taking the guys who I want. I think that Larry to me is not, in a vacuum, the fifth best offensive player in NBA history, But he absolutely is worthy of the fifth pick within the context of this draft, just because he makes a case as just the greatest plug and play offensive superstar along with Steph because he just fits anywhere. But Larry's ability to fill so many different roles offensively. He can screen for you, he can run, pick and roll. He's a great cutter, he can post up in his lethal scorer there, he's a very good spot up player, curling around screens. He just does so many things. At a highlight, he's an impactful offensive rebounder in passing. There's two things that I am just trying to stockpile in this draft generally speaking, and it's shooting in it's passing, because those are two skill sets that just amplify your surroundings no matter what, and when you're dealing with elite offensive players like you don't ever step on the toes of the other players by being a great quick decision maker and a selfless passer and a great shooter. You're always bringing value when you have those traits, and Larry Bird has those traits. So it's a really good pick. I really wanted him. I'm gonna take Kevin Durant here. I'm gonna take Kevin Durant because I think we're talking about a guy who brings that a plus shooting, who brings that excellent off ball value, who brings that malleability. Katie checks all those boxes. He's a good playmaker. He's not an elite one, but I don't know that I necessarily need another elite playmaker in my offense right now, and I think I'll be able to get one in the next round two. I think that Kd's skill set at this point in the draft is a little bit more rare than some of the more ball dominant, playmaking first players who I might be considering, So, especially when you think about Katie circa twenty fourteen, who I think is the version that I'll take here, Although there's an argument for him with the Warriors around twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, but with twenty fourteen KD, I get more of that rim pressure. I'm getting to the line a bit more. Just an insane combination of dominant one on one scoring and dominant off ball scoring skill set. So again, I want a stockpile shooting and I'm doing that with KDIE. He just fits so well in any offense that.
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Speaker 1: Was gonna be my next pick. Damn, I really wanted KD. I really wanted KD.
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Speaker 2: The top six dudes on my board have gone in the first six picks.
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Speaker 1: For what it's worth, I'm at a crossroads here.
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Speaker 2: In fact, Logan, I'm not joking. This is my exact big board that I had. I had you, he'll get you one steph too, Jordan three Lebron for Bird five KD six. That's kind of crazy, same wavelength you and I.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this guy's gonna start for me, but I think his overall offensive value is just too much to pass up. Right here, I'm gonna take Luka Doncic at my seventh spot, and I don't know if Luca is gonna start for me, but if he's running my bench unit or if I'm putting him in spot lineups, I just think his talent is a little bit too much to just pass up on right now. So I don't know if he's gonna be in my starting lineup, but I'm getting elite shooting, I'm getting elite scoring. I'm getting elite playmaking and passing. I'm getting a big body dude who can just attack mismatches. And like I said, if I don't want it, because Luca does have a heliocentric style of play, and that's what makes him difficult to gauge in these drafts, I just tend to think he's too talented to pass up at a point like right now, I don't know if there's any other player that I could take right now that has that combination of scoring and playmaking on the board, And that's why I'm gonna take Luca. Again, It's not the most seamless fit, which is why I may bring him off the bench, but I think his ability is just too high to pass up on right now.
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Speaker 2: That's interesting. I kind of thought that there was a relatively clear choice with how you've constructed your roster that you might take and it was not Luca. This is a little high for Luca in my eyes. I mean, he obviously is an incredible offensive talent. I just do think there are guys who are more efficient, who aren't necessarily as ball dominant, or who do have more of a playmaking first mindset. Luca is an all time great playmaker. I just think there's already so much scoring in all of these lineups that, like, again, I want those guys who really have this ceiling raising sort of skill sets, and I don't think that Luca epitomizes that at this level. When you consider some of the efficiency stuff, which is good but not elite at the heights we're talking about with these guys, some of the offensive on off impact metrics, Luca's great seven is a little bit high for me. You put me in an interesting spot, though, because I did think you were going to take somebody else. I'm gonna take Steve Nash here, And just in the interest of full transparency, the guy who I thought you were gonna take and who I'm really considering Nash up against is Magic Johnson, who I think is one of the top five offensive players in NBA history. But again, we're constructing a sort of unique roster here. Magic and Nash have a lot of similarities in the fact that they are both these ball dominant but low volume scoring, super efficient, all time genius playmaker kind of players. Obviously Magic is significantly bigger, but still they have that sort of same core identity and value. The reason that I'm gonna take Nash is basically, just within the context of this lineup, I want a ton of shooting. I want a guy who maybe can be a little bit more effective off ball because of that shooting, which that's not really Nash's game. But also Magic is somebody who very ball dominant. So if anybody's questioning Nash going this high because of the ross scoring or what have you, you have to understand this guy led a run of team offense that is really only rivaled by Magic and Oscar Robertson. He led six number one offenses in nine years, and he led three number two offenses in those seasons. So that's nine top two offenses in nine seasons. And from twenty five to twenty ten, he's giving you seventeen and eleven on plus nine percent relative true shooting. He is the greatest pick and role player we have ever seen, with his ability as a pull up shooter, with his ability to knock down floaters and shots in the lane with his handle, and he's a top three passer in NBA history. And he's just really an underrated scorer when you think about some of what we saw from him in the playoffs, where he could up his volume and he could maintain elite efficiency. He was better than a ninetieth percentile isolation score like every single year of his prime. You look at the two thousand and five playoffs, he averages twenty four points and eleven assists on fifty two thirty nine to ninety two splits. It's pretty simple. I've talked about wanting a stockpile passing and shooting. I'm getting a top three passer ever, I'm getting arguably a top three shooter ever. Steve Nash for his careers forty eight percent from mid range and forty three percent from three. That to me is just the best fit with this lineup. And I do want that sort of lead playmaker. I think Nash compliments the rest of my roster better than say Magic. But like, just think about Nash Lebron pick and roll with Steph off Ball. I mean, we're gonna use Lebron in a bunch of different ways in this offense. It's gonna be a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: I wanted Steve Nash a lot. Steve probably would have been my next pick. This might be surprising, but I really value his skill set. I'm gonna take Dirk Nowitzki here.
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Speaker 2: Wow. I really wanted Dirk a little later, but I really wanted him.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to give you the out. You've got back to back picks coming up, and I didn't want to let him slip through my fingers. Dirk also, I think has an underrated peak and at the peak of his powers. I mean, you know, when you think of Dirk, I think you think of the twenty eleven run, and it's a lot of low you know, post work, the one legged fade away, a lot of the classic dirt stuff. But prime Dirt could handle prime Dirk. He gets to the rack a little bit, and he was leading out of lead offenses as well. Like Dirk's a problem. I think in hindsight, I think he gets a little bit underrated. But I mean I'm getting elite floor spacing here from Dirk. I'm getting a little bit of that handling. I'm getting again, stuff that the defense just isn't gonna have an answer for it. If I want easy points, I can dump it to Yokic on the low block. Guess what on the other block, I got Dirk Novitsky. Like, all right, y'all figure it out. I just think it's a really problematic formula. You're gonna have to respect everybody on the court for me because they're all great shooters, which is gonna open up all this space in inside the art to work. I just really really value Dirk's skill set. It's so so unique when you're looking at the other guys, when I feel like, for example, I'm just gonna use these guys because I think it's a pretty simple comparison. If I was to draft a Shack or Ayannis, who I was contemplating, just because of their interior dominance, there's a counter for those guys, right Like you can sag off of them and HER's your spacing. Dirk is a guy that I just don't think there's a really good answer for. So I'm gonna take Dirk here. I really value his skill set.
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Speaker 2: I like the pick man. Like I said, I was really targeting Dirk as one of my first couple guys off the bench. I do think that he's underrated. Twenty one to twenty eleven, he led a top ten offense every single year. He led four number one offenses. Three of those came with Nash, but one of them also comes post Nash in two thousand and six, and he led eight top five offenses in that span. So I do think he can get a little bit underrated because the scoring numbers are crazy, like for a decade he was twenty five points per game on plus five percent relative true shooting. But it's not the most overwhelming ross scoring peak we've ever seen in terms of the volume. And then he doesn't apparently have a ton of playmaking value. Right wasn't a great passer, but it's the versatility and it's the gravity. With his scoring, it is having a seven footer who can hit forty seven percent of his mid range jumpers and thirty eight percent of his threes. Dirk was just such a monster dude, monster post up player up there for the best isolationist in the league throughout the two thousands, like insane efficiency. Year over, you're just a complete mismac problem with his shooting, with his size, with his underrated agility. At his peak, he was a free throw machine. He's a pick and pop monster. I'm raven about to pick. I really really like the pick. Like I could say that this is a little early, but just when I think about the complimentary skill sets that you want, it's pretty damn good man. I will say, you are lacking some athleticism and you're starting five.
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Speaker 1: We got we got shooters, though we're not.
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Speaker 2: We're no, no, you're not, you're not.
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Speaker 1: Your bet are not missed because we're not getting any offensive boards.
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Speaker 2: Well, yo, kitchen Bird, you actually do have really good size too. Yeah, the thing you're the smallest due So I like the lineup that you've built. But if there's one thing that you are lacking, it would be that that rim pressure, that downhill athleticism. So I'm gonna get rim pressure at a rate that we've never seen in the history of the sport. I'm just gonna take shack at this point because I could look at my lineup and I could say, well, the one thing that maybe I'm missing at that elite level is rim pressure. Outside of Lebron and Young Kdie was pretty good there. But just give me the greatest rim finishing force that we have ever seen. Give me the biggest raw post up matchup problem, automatic double, and he's a good playmaker out of the doubles, and he's got insane shooting all around him, real pick and roll finishing weapon if we're gonna use him that way. Like just the combination of Steph Kdie and Nash's shooting with Shaq as this sort of paint force drawing as much attention as he does. Stephan Shack in the same offense is just overpowered. And then I have Lebron getting downhill, and I have his playmaking, and I have Nash playmaking. I'm feeling pretty good right now, Logan, I'm feeling pretty damn good. Now we flip the order, so I'm picking first because we are into our bench now. I can't think of a better guy to be my bench point guard than Magic Johnson at this point, I just feel like the talent is way too good to pass up on. Like I said, Nash led a run off team offense that is rivaled only by Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson what Magic did throughout the eighties, making the Lakers damn near an automatic number one offense. What he did even after Kareem had regressed from star level and after Kareem had retired entirely like nineteen eighty nine, their number one offense nineteen ninety their number one offense nineteen ninety one. They get to the finals on the back of their elite offense that is led by Magic Johnson. He's just one of the great ball dominant offensive creators that we have ever seen. Ridiculously efficient offensive player, the greatest passer in an history. His raw audacity as a passer, to me is just unrivaled. He's so brilliant, doesn't need any window as a passer to just find the advantage that he can create. Incredible and what I get from him in transition where he is a top two offensive player ever along with Lebron, and I think that he's an underrated score because he didn't have that sort of crazy volume. But he really was a mismatch problem out of the post. You're not gonna find a lot of guards that can deal with six foot nine Magic Johnson with his excellent touch there, pick and roll, getting downhill. There's just so so much to love about Magic and he's an architect of some of the greatest offenses we've ever seen. I get him to run my bench unit. I'm very very happy with that.
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Speaker 1: Magic was my next pick.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure he was not any more Palkeep Freeman.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that size in athleticism. I'm gonna take Giannis on Tetakunmpo here, and we're talking about the most physical players of all time, right the most dominant shack Giannis. And I think Yannis is just getting better offensively right now. Man like the ability that he's reached with his playmaking, with his mid range shooting. And I don't want to show my cards here. I think my bench duo is gonna be Luca and Janis. I think that's the guys that are gonna head my bench, and I'm gonna see if I can find a PG to trot into my starting lineup. I just think that's one hell of a one to two off the bench, And yeah, I need that size in athleticism, I need a rim runner. And that's the beauty of what I've done with my starting five is I think that Yannis could seamlessly fit depending on what lineups we want to run. I think Giannis can fit in with my starting lineup for certain matchups, and you know, just brings a different dimension That's what I wanted to do with this pick more than anything else. I've got a lot of shooting, I've got some playmaking, I've got some scoring. I want a guy that brings a different type of skill set, and Yannis brings that sort of rim pressure, downhill, physical dominant force that again, I put shooters around Giannis. He's gonna amplify those guys too. So I'm very, very happy to get a dominant athletic force like Yannis.
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Speaker 2: This is a little bit high for me, but I see the vision. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I also dating back to when we did a All time Draft a long time ago and Blaze Radio, somehow me and you let Gabe get Steph Lebron Janis in Shack. I just don't want you to get Yannis in Shack both as well.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't need Yannis and Shaq both, that's my take, But I do like that Yannis. Although to me he's not the twelfth best offensive player in NBA history, He's definitely not. He does have a very distinct value out of this group, which is just god tear, rim pressure, and there's no question he's better than he's ever been. Right, He's almost a forty six percent mid range shooter this year. His playmaking now as a driver is really impressive. He does present some spacing issues for any offense, considering that he's not going to be operating as your CEN, and we've seen certain teams, certain individual defenders who are strong enough to really wall him off.
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Speaker 1: I got Dirt to run the five along Janis. I got Jokis to run the five alongside Jannis, Like, we do have floor spacing alongside him. So I don't think that's gonna it is a problem right in general, but I don't think it's gonna be a problem here. Now.
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Speaker 2: Giannis is a monster, but I do think that he is more flawed offensively than a lot of the other dudes in this change. But he also has that god ter ability. I'm gonna take Kobe here. I just think he's another guy who really fits in to a number of different situations just because he's one of those all time great off ball scorers. And that's just such a valuable way to stress a defense when you do have so many guys who do want to have the ball in their hands and who are so effective with the ball in their hands. Like I'm getting a guy who really was a smart mover without the ball who just needs these slight windows as a catch and shooter to knock him down, because he's the greatest difficult shot maker that we've ever scene. And then he can get downhill to the rim. He is someone who can attack from all over the floor. I can give him the ball in the mid post, right, he can kill you as an off ball scorer. He can space the floor and shoot from three at a decently high level at the very least. And he's not a great playmaker, but he is a good one. And again, it's just about how many different ways can you stress the defense, especially when I already have my ball dominant bench player in Magic Johnson, I think Kobe is a really, really great version of that. And he was a great offensive floor raiser and ceiling raizer. I think what he did in two thousand and six it's one of the great floor raising jobs ever, where he's averaging a relatively efficient thirty five plus points per game in improving that offense by like twenty points per one hundred possessions. Give me that version of Kobe in the mid two thousands, really like two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, who was a better three point shooter than younger, more athletic Kobe. That to me is the difference. That's what I want in this offense the most.
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Speaker 1: That's a really good pick. I'm conflicted between two players right now.
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Speaker 2: It's really interesting how needs end up becoming more important than raw talent, because I think that there's two sort of archetypes that are a little bit overly stacked in terms of raw talent, and there's a couple of great, great offensive players who are slipping, but I don't know if I'm dying to pick them.
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Speaker 1: There's two guys. I'm gonna give one of them, I think at the next pick, which is why I'm gonna take this guy. I'm gonna take Oscar Roberts, and he's gonna be my starting point guard. I need a table setter. He's jumbo sized, right, so nobody in my lineup is gonna be smaller than six foot five. I think we've got a real size advantage there. Now I can officially move Luca and Giannis to the bench, so Oscar will slot into my starting lineup. I want a guy who's un selfish, who has some versatile impact, right, I can shoot the ball, a little bit, really well rounded and uh just ahead of his time. I mean, was leading out some of the league's best offenses year after year, and I think with the kind of talent around him, I think Oscar is gonna flourish. I needed that table, and I think pick wise like value pickwise, I think this is a really good get at fourteen for me.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent, dude, one hundred percent, it's a phenomenal get. By the way, fourteen shout out Oscar. Number fourteen. In Cincinnati, Oscar led six number one offenses with the Royals. His career production is twenty six seven and a half boards, nine and a half assists on plus seven percent true shooting. He is like the first example of that utterly dominant score and playmaker guy who makes a case at least for being best in the league at both, who can just single handedly carry you to be an elite offense, absurd efficiency, got to line at a ridiculous rate, got downhill consistently, could beat you as a mid range shooter, and he's got great size, like you said, and he's a really good positional rebounder. That's a really really good pick man. So now I am conflicted between prioritizing raw talent and prioritizing need or just where there is maybe less value to compete with at the position, so the guys comparatively a bit more of a steal. Yeah, fuck it, because there's two guys who I can get at this other position that I would basically feel equally good about. I'm gonna take Charles Barkley here. I think that is one of the most underrated offensive players ever, like just an absolute force. In his prime, led six top five offenses, two number one offenses, was dragging Philly in those later years to still being above average offenses, and then the second he leaves, they go and become a bottom five offense. I really do value that efficiency, and I really do value that versatility. And there is no player in NBA history of significance more efficient than Charles Barkley. Four straight years he led league in true shooting percentage. That's never been done since by anybody else. By the way, speaking of leading the league in true shooting percentage, I said the other day that I thought Bob McAdoo was the only guy to lead the league in both points per game andrew shooting percentage. I forgot of course that's Steph Curry, star of my team, also did that in twenty sixteen. So we've got the efficiency at unbelievable levels, and we've got Steve Nash. We've got the only couple of guards to lead the league in true shooting percentage. Well, Ashley Oscar did it too, So there are three. It's Nash, Curry and Oscar, but I've got two of them. But when it comes to Barkley, Man just crazy efficient, very versatile as a scorer, elite elite offensive rebounder, which is really good value for me. And he's a really good playmaker, which again is something that I want everybody in my offense to be able to do. But I can give him the ball. He's a phenomenal post hub. He's got just this overwhelming strength down low, and he's a skilled ball handler, and he's got this impressive agility and control on the lane. He can push and transition. He and magic and transition. Will be a whole lot of fun with our bench. Legitimately versatile off ball player, cutter, dunker, spot target, decent spot up shooter, gets to the line at an excellent rate, and great playoff performer. Offensively as well, so he's just a guy who is so efficient, who does so many things. Well, it's exactly what I want in this sort of team.
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Speaker 1: It's so funny to me that we're going lockstep because I think we have our eyes on the same two bigs and we're just sure pushing, I suppose. So this has allowed me to get another player that I really wanted to take earlier that I was afraid you were going to take. I didn't know where Chuck was gonna go. I know he was gonna go. I'm gonna take Shay Gildes Alexander right here, and I'm gonna be very very happy with it. I mean, I have the four best players I think on the planet today in Jokich, Luca, Jannis and Sga. Yeah you do. Sga is one of the best scorers I've ever seen. And when I'm thinking about my bench, I've got Luca, I've got SGA, and I've got Giannis. All three of those guys have really good size, and I think they can all be complimentary to one another. It may be a little bit weird with Luca and SGA with this on ball off ball dynamic, because they're both guys that really flourish with the ball in their hands. But yeah, I'm gonna be comfortable with Luca being that table setter and the guy that starts it off for us, and that an SGA and him going back and forth. But I already think SGA is one of the best scoring guards in league history. He can do it from anywhere inside the arc. He's so shifty, he's got such phenomenal footwork, such great touch, and again he's jumbo size too. Really, he's got really good positional size. So we're gonna keep pushing these centers lower and lower down the board. Man, I'm very happy to get SGA, though.
00:32:46
Speaker 2: It's a good pick. The reason that I'm a little bit lower on SGA for this draft than I would be in terms of his raw all time offensive peak is because of what I talked about with really valuing that ceiling raising, versatile off ball skill set. SGA is one of the all time Give him the rock and he will just serve you a bucket kind of guys. I do think he's the best raw scorer in the NBA today, and I think he's one of the great on ball scorers that we've ever seen. I mean, what he's doing almost thirty three points per game on sixty four percent true shooting, improving though, Okay, see offense from being Wizards level to Cavs level just when he's off the floor compared to when he's on it. Incredible, incredible, incredible. The reason that he was a little lower is I just look and I see Okay, Oscar and Nash in magic In Luca and all these guys who are guards who are going to have the ball in their hands a lot. Shay just ultimately didn't grade quite highly offensively to be compared to those other guys.
00:33:47
Speaker 1: That makes sense. He's just so damn efficient, man.
00:33:49
Speaker 2: He's ridiculous. He's ridiculous. And like, maybe you aren't getting the absolute most value out of both him and Luca if they're playing together, because there is some overlap in terms of ball dominance. But also, like you said, I mean, if you're just trading off possessions and it's Luca finding a mismatch and cooking him and then it's Shae finding a mismatch and cooking him, Like that's really, really, really a problem for any defense to deal with. Are we gonna keep playing this game of putting off draft in the bigs. Now I'm gonna take one. The reason that I have been putting it off, though, is because the two bigs are so close to me. Yeah, exactly, I'm gonna take Wilt.
00:34:32
Speaker 1: It's a good picks now.
00:34:33
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take Wilt just because of the ridiculous playmaking and efficiency at his peak, Like nineteen sixty seven, Wilt is giving me twenty four twenty four and eight on plus fourteen percent relative true shooting. I'm getting one of the two most dominant rebounders in basketball history. I'm getting one of the best playmaking centers that we've ever seen, and I'm getting a guy who, when he wants to, can still serve up sixty with really good efficiency. But this version of Wilt was so much more of that playmaking hub. He was a guy who you could run a lot of handoffs through, who could play make out of the post and just made everybody else around him. Then he's also this all time finishing force around the rim. So my bench right now doesn't have a ton of shooting. I have an idea for that. Back to you.
00:35:21
Speaker 1: Mine doesn't have a ton of shooting either. I'm gonna go ahead, and I'm gonna Takekaarhem abdul Jabbar. Here, we'll knock the centers out of the way. The one underrated thing I wanted to mention about Wilt. I think a lot of people when they just imagine Wilt in their head, they kind of imagine this Yannis sort of like role man and like just runner and dunker. Wilt has really good touch. If you go back and water break seams of Wilt, like his touch around the rim is insane, where he can just get to that little fade away or if he's getting any of these touch shots, it's like it's really automatic.
00:35:49
Speaker 2: Well, I mean his fade away was like his signature shot, and then it was just very in vogue back in the day to have like sort of those finger ll flip finishes. If you watch Elgin right, he's got a lot of that. Wilt had a ton of that. So that's another way that you saw his touch. Absolutely really really unbelievably gifted offensive player, and just the physical tools so far surpassed everybody else. The combination of size, strength, agility, speed hops, I mean, it's insane value. Kareem is also insane value though, just in terms of how great these players are It's just we were both looking and like, Okay, I'll be all right if I get either one of these two exactly.
00:36:27
Speaker 1: And ultimately that's why I took Yokic number one, because I think his positional value is so great at the center spot that you know, I just value that over it. But Kareem's gotten unstoppable. Look, he's got the skyhook man, and that's what I really like about my benches. I've just got some stuff that I don't think teams are gonna be able to stop. SGA's change of pace, Lucas mismatch, attacking, ability to create by himself shooting is a little bit limited, and so maybe we stagger some of these looks with Kareem and Dirk and jokicch and Giannis, and maybe we try to mix and match those looks. So we have at least four floor spacers and we don't have two nons on the court at any given time. But I think it's just really hard to stop. I mean, to get Kareem here. I think is is ticket will I wanted Wilt, if I'm being honest, just because of the play making value in totality. But Kareem's a beast Gareem was unstoppable on the low block for a really, really long time, and that's what.
00:37:17
Speaker 2: I'm so I am going to take Reggie Miller here. And I was thinking about maybe waiting to see if I could sneak him in later steal him just because maybe he wasn't so much on your radar, But I just want him too badly.
00:37:36
Speaker 1: I just think you would take Reggie over Clay a one hundred percent on ball creation.
00:37:44
Speaker 2: Apping difference is on ball creation difference is scoring efficiency. Difference is the ability to get to the line at an elite rate. The difference is feel in playmaking. Reggie was legitimately solid there, whereas Clay's lack of passing vision has always been a real limitation of his And I think that Reggie also is another level as an off ball mover compared to Clay. I think that there's a pretty big gap that allowed Reggie to be the number one on a lot of elite offenses, whereas Clay was always better suited to slot into that number two or even number three role. Reggie does have more on ball juices, just got more to his game. So yeah, some people might look at his raw numbers or his accolades or whatever. Reggie Miller is one of the most efficient players in basketball history. Like I mentioned Barkley, Nash, Steph Magic him, I've got a lot of the tier one efficiency dudes that we've ever seen, which is great when I'm putting together a team with so many talented players. And to me, is the greatest off ball mover in NBA history. It's ridiculous. It's an art form what he did coming off of screens, just constantly stressing the defense with his movement. And I think he's the second greatest off ball shooting weapon ever, only two Steph Curry. So I get that guy who again was such an underrated offensive engine. He was the engine of nine top eight offenses in two number one offenses. I want that shooting ability at every level. I want that top tier all time off ball movement and that top tier all time efficiency. I want that craftiness and ability to get to the line. I think that this is a great pick, especially when I look at what I need with my second unit, which is that A plus shooting and just like the combination of shooting that I can get from Steph and Nash and Reggie Miller, and any combination in my backcourt. It just makes me drool.
00:39:37
Speaker 1: Man, this guy wasn't even on my board, but you've kind of talked me into it. I think I'm gonna take I don't know if this is a bad.
00:39:48
Speaker 2: Pick or not. I think I know who you're thinking.
00:39:52
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna take Ray Allen.
00:39:54
Speaker 2: I don't hate it at all. I mean, he was my backup if Reggie.
00:39:57
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here, I want to be clear about something, cause there's a lot of guys that I thought about. I thought about Dwayne Wade, and Dwayne Wade was the first guy that I thought about because of his rim pressure and his play making ability at his apex, because you just couldn't stay in front of the guy, and he's got such a rock solid mid range game. But when I look about the construction of my bench right now, just the guys Luca Sga, Kareem Jannis, I don't love that spacing. And again, we're not gonna run all those minutes together. But fundamentally, if we did a platoon swap and those guys were on the floor together, I would feel less confident about And again, he's an all time player, But it's the same thing with like a Russell Westbrook. I think Russell Westbrook, depending on the players that you put around him in a hypothetical draft like this could really work, you know, specifically, like you put him alongside prime Westbrook with his brain currently with a guy like Jokic, he'd amplify the hell out of him. And of course if you put shooting around him. But again it's just I've put I've already put my chips in on these guys in his lineup, and I just really value Ray's floor spacing. And I think, honestly similarly, Carson, you tell me how you feel about this. When guys reach the Apex and when they win the title, I can feel like we sometimes pigeon hold them into what they were when they were winning at their apex. Terrt Novitsky I used this comparison earlier in twenty eleven, and that's probably the first thing that you think about with Dirk when prime Dirk was about five years previous to that, in in the mid two thousands. When you think about prime Kevin Garnett, a lot of people are going to think about two thousand and eight Kevin Garnett that anchored the defense and was the best player, but you're not you know, you don't think about prime KG from five years earlier. And I think that can kind of happen with Ray Allen, where you maybe pigeonhole him into this just straight up spot up shooter because of these iconic moments the Celtics, the Miami Heat where he's hitting all these big shots right, and I'm getting that. I'm getting that elite shooting ability, but I'm also getting a guy with a lot of on ball juice who can handle and create and it was responsible for leading out elite offenses every single year in Milwaukee in Seattle. Specifically in Seattle, I think they're almost they're top five to top ten every single year with Ray Allen leading the show. And that's where I want to hammer home here, is there maybe guys who are individually just better offensive players and floor raisers. But it's that floor raising versus ceiling dynamic. And that's why when we're looking at FIT, I don't prefer Russ, I don't prefer d Wade here. I really think I value Ray Allen's skill set.
00:42:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have Ray above both of those guys too, And like I said, he was my backup option to Reggie. I think both of these guys are really underrated players because they're shooting and their off ball gravity was so extremely impactful. Like Ray Allen was the best player on four top three offenses between Milwaukee and Seattle. The reason that I prefer Reggie more overwhelmingly efficient, little craftier when it comes to his ability to use pump fakes off the catch, get defenders to bite, get to the line at an elite level, really crafty finisher around the rim. So he ended up being super efficient there even though you know he doesn't have crazy athletic traits. He's a little bit bigger, six seven, got this crazy quick release, and again, raise a great off ball player. I think Reggie does take it up another level though, is his ability to set up his man, his ability to punish overplays with cuts. I think they are two underrated offensive players. I think that they both deserved to go in this draft. Who's scoring big in the NBA this season? You are with all the new ways to get in on the action at DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA. From monster slams to dishing the rock to cleaning the glass, get behind your favorite players and the prop bets you can make on DraftKings, the home of NBA player props.
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Speaker 2: Now, I am in a bit of a predicament. I feel like I have a lot of talent in my backcourt, so maybe you could argue that I shouldn't go there again. But at this point we're looking at the eleventh and twelfth spots. I'm just gonna take the best offensive player who I think hasn't been selected, and that's gonna be Jerry West for me. Jerry grew to be an elite playmaker, always was an elite scorer. Is a guy who can operate as sort of a combo guard for me. Dominant downhill score, really really excellent ball handler for his time, excellent shooter, got to the line at a ridiculous rate, and in the playoffs just got better over twenty nine points per game of his career on plus five and a half percent relative true shooting the playoffs in scoring four times and assists three times. If I'm getting that guy with the twenty first pick of this draft, I'm happy with that, and I'm gonna take the logo.
00:46:12
Speaker 1: I like the pick. I'm gonna take a guy that I mentioned earlier, you know, now that I've got my lineups kind of set, I'm gonna take one backcourt guy, one front court guy. I'm gonna take Dwayne Wade here. And it's specifically just the versatility that I can go with now that I've gotten a guy like Ray that'll fit into the system just certain matchups. I know that d Wade is a guy that can just abuse players on ball, so hard to stay in front of, so freakishly athletic, such a great finisher around the rim, and an elite mid range scorer. Obviously, I think there are lineups that aren't gonna work with d Wade because he's not really an elite floor spacer, and but he does some complimentary stuff too where I think that maybe that goes overlooked, right It's like a backdoor cutter or you know, as an off ball mover and stuff like that. The spacing's a little weird, but I think in certain matchups, I think Dwayne Wade's skill set would be really really hard to stop. If you don't have a guy that can stop him. He's just a guy that can wreck a game. So I want a little bit more athleticism. I want a little bit more interior scoring because I don't have a lot of that throughout my roster. So I'm gonna take d Wade.
00:47:13
Speaker 2: Man. I have quite a decision on my hands here. I have guys who are two spots apart on my board. This guard is two spots higher than this forward. But I'm wondering if I should just take the forward because I do have already more of a guard oriented roster, and like, this is a guy who would be an e leite offensive rebounder for me. He'd be a real imposing athletic force. But I also think if the guard doesn't go in this draft, people are probably gonna lose their minds. And I think that if I get him here, a lot of people would probably view it as the steel of the draft. I'm gonna take James Harden here. I just think he's, in terms of the regular season, the greatest isolation scorer that we've ever seen. I mean, the production is literally unbelievable. I believe it's twenty nineteen when he scores eighteen isolation points per game or maybe it was twenty twenty. Either way, both of those years he's totally lapping the league. And then like the guy with the next most isolation points per game is averaging four point five. It's just completely absurd. He is one of the toughest dudes ever to deal with on an island because his change in pace was so exceptional, so shifty, and then he has the literally unguardable step back three. So if you're just telling me that I can get a guy who was capable of averaging thirty five points per game on really good efficiency and then was also one of the best passers in the league, Like, yes, he's really ball dominant, sure, but my god man, he's just so good. And I'm somebody who's been critical of Harden's playoff resume, I do think it's worth noting that that is compared to the myriad, the meteoric and that he set for himself in the regular season, his offensive production in the playoffs still outpaces a lot of other great players all time. This is an all offense draft. I'm getting a dude who has such a unique and when he's at his best, unstoppable skill set offensively, and he's gonna be my twelfth man. I think it's just too good to pass up on. But I will shout out the guy who I really considered after this, because I'm bummed to not take him. And I do have a lot of guards, but I don't care. I mean, I have enough dudes in my front court. I have Lebron, I have Kdie, I have Shaq, I have Barkley, I have Willed. Kobe can operate as a three. I'm just gonna take the best player.
00:49:37
Speaker 1: I don't really know what I should do with this last pick. I'm I've been thinking about a lot of different guys.
00:49:45
Speaker 2: You want to take a forward? You were saying, I think I want to take a forward.
00:49:50
Speaker 1: I mean I've been thinking about a guy like a Mari Stodhommeyer for a minute, just because, like I was talking about that athleticism and that rim running.
00:49:58
Speaker 2: Can I make a suggestion of a dude who I would just be happy to see?
00:50:01
Speaker 1: Go? Sure? Is it Elgin?
00:50:03
Speaker 2: It's not Elgent? Is doctor J?
00:50:05
Speaker 1: I was thinking about Doctor J two. I just don't know if you know what I will. I mean, I was he was on my short list of guys I was thinking about too hyper athletic I think can fill a roll off ball as well. Like so I was just thinking, like so much of his value does come from defense. But you're getting a special especially those ABA days, early six ers, early nets, doctor J. Man, that's a special, special athlete, a special score, and I think a really just common misconception about a lot of players in this era. Like Doctor J is not a three point shooter by any means, but he can shoot the ball from the mid range.
00:50:39
Speaker 2: As well, so really good passer.
00:50:42
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm really happy with getting Doctor J here.
00:50:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's the guy who I was really debating up against Harden, and I'm just happy to see him go. I mean, the rim pressure for him is absolutely absurd. The combination of the handle and the agility and the quickness at his size for his era, it's just absurd. And he was a really good playmaker. He's really good in transition. And you're getting a guy who for a decade was twenty six ten and four and a half on pretty good efficiency, like plus three and a half percentury shooting for his career. I just wanted to see him go. I think that he's better than the other guys that you were here.
00:51:15
Speaker 1: He was on he was on my short list of guys I was considering with that last pick, but I wanted an athlete. I wanted another forward, and he checks a lot of the boxes for me. Also, he's he's just a little bit more versative on a little more skilled than some of the other guys.
00:51:28
Speaker 2: So, Logan, will you please read off to us your entire all offense lineup? All right?
00:51:34
Speaker 1: My starting five is Oscar Robertson at point, Michael Jordan at the two, Larry Bird at the three, Dirt Noovitski at the four, Nicole Jokic at the five, and then off the bench, I've got Luka, Doncic, Ray Allen, Shai Gilges, Alexander Giannis, Santetukumpo, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Dwayne Wade, and Julius Irving.
00:51:53
Speaker 2: Okay, I have in my starting five Steve Nash, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Lebron James shack Oh. I love the fit of that group. Then for my bench, Magic Johnson, Reggie Miller, Kobe Bryant, Charles Barkley, Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, and James Hardin. So people, let us know who you think had the better drafts. Who are some of the toughest exclusions for you, Logan some of the toughest cuts.
00:52:22
Speaker 1: Honestly, Russell Westbrook was a tough cut for me just because of the floor raising job that he can do. And I know that Russell Westbrook is a really polarizing player and a lot of people have different opinions on him. The only issue and the reason that I ultimately didn't go with Russ is because I think that the mature version, the way I'm thinking about this, the mature version of Russ that understands how to win that we're seeing now in Denver, I'm just not gonna automatically give that to prime athletic Russell Westbrook because I watched a lot of Russell Westbrook and I know the bad decision making and the Yeah, I can't really wash that taste out of my mouth. And I do have a little bit of sympathy for us, and like the MVP season because you look at the offense that he was playing with. There was so little floor spacing around there that I really wonder if they had just put shooting around Russ, how great that offense could have truly been, you know, and that team defense was great, right. That was the concession that they made. Russ is going to be our offensive number one, and we're gonna build a good team defense around him. But there wasn't a lot of shooting, and so part of me goes, well, if we gimmicked up an offense and we put it around Russ and we just put a bunch of shooters and just said hey, go downhill, it would work. But I just don't feel like that's really in the spirit of the draft. And I know Russell Westbrook's play style, and I don't want to take the bad that comes with the goods, so to speak, the bad turnovers, the bad shots election, the consistent playoff dropping of prime Westbrook. But he is an all time floor raiser. He's just not the best fit.
00:53:51
Speaker 2: Nah. I didn't really consider Russ for this draft. I just think he's really not the sort of player I'm looking to take when I have all time greats.
00:53:58
Speaker 1: Every ye, well, come, you didn't take eight danty Man. That's what really the people want to know.
00:54:02
Speaker 2: Because I don't need that ball stopping black hole. Very efficient scorer. But Adrian Dantley did not cross the Old Nogan and Russ. It's just I don't need the sort of meteoric usage rate. Super Bowl dominant, inefficient, gonna put up some bad shots, turn the ball over a lot, my toughest cuts. Chris Paul. I would have loved to get Chris Paul on my roster, you know how I feel about him. But there's just a lot of really good guards, and when it was coming down to Jerry West or James Harden the last couple of rounds, I just think those guys were more of offensive forces at their absolute peaks than Chris Paul was a keem. If I were to have taken a third center, it would have been a cheme, just because if you look at ninety four ninety five, when Jordan is out of the league, he's the best scorer in basketball. Not crazy efficient, but just the artistry, the difficult shot making, the footwork out of the post, and then he was a solid passer at that time. But compared to the guys who we chose, I mean, they either just were more out liar, physical freaks, more efficient, got easier stuff around the rim, like your wilt, your shack, your kareem just being so huge and having such phenomenal touch and really good agility when he was younger, or it's Jokich's just one of a kind. So ultimately I didn't feel like I needed a third center, And a lot of these perimeter players are a bit more impactful because they have that scoring playmaking combo floor spacing, and a little bit more versatile. Often and Rick Barry I considered it would have been hard for me to take him over like a doctor j or any of the forwards who I was really considering, but just a really really awesome player with his playmaking. And I was just watching a game from the seventy five finals and like, he probably hit like six jump passes in that game, and every one of them is electric, So he's pretty great.
00:55:48
Speaker 1: Tell me if I was tweaking for even considering these guys, I really thought about Karl Anthony Towns. I'm not gonna lie, dude.
00:55:58
Speaker 2: Shout out big perr. I mean, you know, I love Kat. It's hard for me to see the case. I mean, I get it because of the A plus floor spacing, but he's just you already had Elkicchen Dirk. You know you don't need another big who can shoot it like that that was the thing.
00:56:11
Speaker 1: He's just gang, a little bit gangling, a little bit goofy sometimes man. But and then I legitimately I didn't take him because I already had Dirk and I already had Jogics. But I did think about our Vita Sabonis for a minute, just because we didn't really get to see like the full prime version of our Vetus until he was older, and I would be getting like young Sabonas. But I've got the floor spacing, and that's why in the back half of the draft, I really focused on getting like a lot of athletes to make up and compensate for some of the shortcomings that we had there. But how do you fall with like some of the old guys like I know you brought up you just brought up Rick Barry, but guys like elgind Baylor in their skill sets, like guys with gaudy numbers, How did you strike that balance?
00:56:53
Speaker 2: I mean Elgin would be on the short list off for me. He was just never the most efficient score but really unique athlete for his time, I mean crazy sort of hang time and finishing ability, and he was a good playmaker. But if I were to choose an offensive forward of not quite that era, but of like sort of the pre merger sixty seventies time. I would have gone Berry over him, and if you're talking seventies, I would go doctor j over both of them. But it was just not far off. And I think it's important to say if anybody looks at this roster and says, oh, you have to any throwbacks or whatever like as always judging these guys relative to their eras. There's no other way to do it, in my opinion. You can't expect somebody to be light years ahead of their time, to be pulling out these sick crossovers when they would have been called carries in their time, to be shooting threes when threes due course, like.
00:57:43
Speaker 1: Kozi would get stripped. He was dribbling the ball like this.
00:57:45
Speaker 2: You know, well, Kuzy is so ridiculous, Bro Bob, Kuzy is so ridiculous. I swear to god. I just talked about watching the Rick Barry game. I've also been watching a game from the sixty three finals. I'm doing this for a purpose. By the way, this sounds like something I would just do for fun, but this time it's a concerted effort for something and it's so ridiculous. Bro, some of like the fakes where it's like he's passed the ball behind his back and then like a full second later he's like, ah, like, oh, what if I was actually spotting a cutter? It's like, all right, Bob Houdini of the Harwood as MF. But yeah, like always judge people compared to their contemporaries, relative to their era. The game evolves, it gets better always, but you got to appreciate the dudes who laid the groundwork. And if you don't do that, then you know, the best guys will just always be the best players from the most recent era. And that's not interesting, and to me, it's not accurate to just the way that sports grow and develop. Everybody should be acknowledged.
00:58:38
Speaker 1: One I can't believe LaMarcus Aldridge didn't go Bro mid Range is snubbed, so subbed. Another guy I thought a lot about was Dame. Honestly, I thought about Dame being an option off the bench.
00:58:49
Speaker 2: Not far off, not far off. Again, it's just like there's a lot of great guards, and am I taking Dame over Prime Harden just purely offensively? No, I'm not, But yeah, I mean the shooting ability alone is so incredibly valuable that he does at least deserve a shout. I'm gonna take one last look at my roster here. I love our passing, I love our shooting. We've got ample rim pressure. We can run in transition. We've got Lebron, We've got Magic, We've got Barkley. We've got Steph sprint into the corner to kill you with a transition three. We've got elite off ball scorers like Kobe and Reggie. Barkley's really good. Their Steph is all time, KT is awesome. And we've got those elite elite on ball playmakers Nash, Lebron Magic. We've got a dominant one on one score James Harden. We've got everything. We've got everything. We've got dudes who can get buckets, playmake score, off ball, fill so many different roles. I love our team. I like your team a lot too, Logan. I think my team wins.
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Speaker 1: I think my team wins. I think we get I think you're getting buckets, but my team is getting bucket buckets.
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Speaker 2: That's an interesting point.
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Speaker 1: Team.
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Speaker 2: That's very good. I have a couple more questions about shooting. I have a couple more questions, maybe about skill set redundancies. That's all I can say. Every time you got a lot of shooting, you don't have as much shooting as I do.
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Speaker 1: With Sam Bay and your ship. Bro.
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Speaker 2: Well, Bro, I'm not playing defense. We're both playing offense against some generic NBA defense.
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Speaker 1: Maybe we look maybe when we do all defense, we'll put our all defense teams against.
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Speaker 2: That's actually a great idea. That's a great idea. I wonder if we could put them in like one of those simulators. I think you can.
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Speaker 1: I think we could.
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Speaker 2: That's a great idea. I want to do an all defense drafts soon. We should do that soon. But today it was all offense all the time. Baby, I had a great time. And the NBA is going to be back soon, is the good news. But we are here no matter what, Baby. We can always yap, And if you want to hear us yap, then you probably know where to find us. YouTube. You can get all of our content, NBA shows, NFL show of course it's more NBA focused now, but that's all on our YouTube channel, as our video essays and film breakdowns where we go more in depth on a specific subject. You can also just listen to the show across all audio platforms, and you can follow us across social media to get more of our content, all of our trivia stuff, graphics from the show. When we do a list like this, you can see it visualized across social and vote on some poll or comment and say who you think won the draft. And of course we also have clips from the show there. So follow us at nerd Sessh on Instagram and TikTok and at nerd Underscore Sesh on Twitter. You can also join our discord if you want to chat with the gang be part of our community there. That link is at the link tree across our social media bios and you can check out our merch if you want. That is also linked in our link tree and at breakingtea dot com. So with that, as always appreciate you guys. I've been Carson
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Speaker 1: Braber, I've been logging Camden and this was nerd Sasha
Speaker 1: The volume. No, Oh my god, how could he do that?
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Speaker 2: Charles Darwin?
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Speaker 3: The nerves is where it's at.
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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody back into Nerves set as always. I'm Carson Brever, and alongside me is Logan Camden Intoday, because it is still basically the All Star break, we have Lakers Hornets returning to action tonight. Yippie. We're gonna take this opportunity to look at basketball history a bit and do an all time all offense draft. I tweeted out my top four tiers of offensive peaks in NBA history the other day, so this kind of got me thinking this could be a very fun exercise. So that's it. Can't reiterate that enough, because I know somebody's gonna look at these rosters and say something about defense. This is literally just offense, imagining that you only play that side of the game, that half of the game. Logan, we have to decide who gets the first pick here. I think we do it with an honorable game of rock paper scissors.
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Speaker 1: Let's do it, all right?
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Speaker 2: What are we shooting? Are we shooting on three? Or are we shooting on one? Two?
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Speaker 1: Three?
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Speaker 2: Go all right?
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Speaker 1: I also say we for audio listeners, I also say we announced just what we do well afterwards?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, okay, all right, okay, okay, I will I'll give you a non verbal clue. All right, rock paper scissors.
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Speaker 1: Shoot, that was.
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Speaker 2: Weird time, and man, that was weird time. And god damn it, I was gonna go rock, and then I said, no, he's gonna go rock, So I'm gonna go paper. All right. So the way that we're gonna do this is instead of doing a snake draft, which would just be kind of weird since it's only the two of us, so we would basically just be going double up picks every time, we're going to do a fixed draft. But then after we get through our starting five, we're gonna flip the order, so Logan will pick first through the first five rounds, and then I will pick first through the remaining rounds and we're just gonna fill out a twelve man complete roster here. So I'm not gonna lie. I think the first pick is a very big advantage, and I am very jealous. But who would you like to take?
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Speaker 1: I do too. I think it's a big advantage, and I'm gonna be taking the Kola Jokic with the first overall pick. The reason I'm gonna take Jokic specifically because I don't know if Yokic would be on my big board. It's specifically the fact that I have the number one overall pick, and I think Jokic's greatness at the center position is the biggest advantage that he has in this draft, his positional value compared to other big men that I could take. Right, Uh, yeah, you look at a dominant big men like Shack right and how he can dominate the interior. Jokic's impact is just so versatile offensively that I don't know how much of that I can really create in the aggregate from any other center. Right Wilt Right at his peak, say, we're getting the peak versions of these guys. Is an elite playmaker and an elite scorer as well. But right, that's why I didn't take Jordan, Because I thought about taking Jordan number one overall here just because he is the greatest scorer of all time, and what is the most valuable skill set in basketball? Scoring the basketball? So I thought about taking Jordan here. But it's specifically the positional value of a Jokich that I'm getting an elite shooter of the basketball that I'm getting an elite mismatch attack or a guy that can get to his spots at will and an elite playmaker at the position. I just think it's the best positional value for a player on the board. And I mean, he's just an all time offensive player. So I'm going to take him number one.
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Speaker 2: I think it's very straightforward. I agree with what you said about the gap between him and any other center offensively. It's just such distinct value that he provides with the all time great playmaking, with the floor spacing that you're getting from him, that none of these other all time great centers compared to you. I also just think it is the highest offensive peak in NBA history period. I think the combination of overwhelming scoring dominance in so many different ways as a roller, as a popper out of the post, completely unstoppable, his off ball ability, his ability to affect the game without the ball in his hands. As a screener, he's so quick and decisive with his touches, He's so overwhelmingly efficient. I think he was an obvious number one pick. I am going to take with my first pick, Steph Curry. And the reason that I'm doing that is because I don't want to reveal too much about my strategy here. But when I'm trying to construct the greatest offense ever and I know that I'm going to be getting a bunch of all time great talents, I want you to fit seamlessly with any personnel combination, and I want dudes who are ceiling raizers. This is what we say about Steph right, he is not the best floor raizer offensively in NBA history, because that has to be a guy who is more ball dominant, who can make every decision for an offense, maybe a little bit more physically imposing. But when you're talking about putting guys who are really good with the ball in their hands, who are really talented offensive players into an offense, the best possible guy to amplify that offense is the dude who is going to consistently draw two defenders away from the ball, who is going to be constantly moving, constantly stressing the defense. The most impactful off ball player ever, the most impactful player ever in terms of spacing right, pulling defenders out thirty five feet, running high pick and roll. That's everything that I got from Steph. So he's actually a pretty easy number two pick for me. Within the context of this draft.
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Speaker 1: I was really hoping Steph was gonna fall to me at like five or seven. Stephan was quick dreaming Steph was fourth on my big board. Okay, it's a really good pick, though, I mean, it's aid malleability man. There's nobody that has a skill set quite like Stephan Curries. That's why I think he's the greatest point guard at all time. All due respect to Magic and his accolades and his accomplishments, I just think there's a different level of impact that Steph has. So I'm gonna take Michael Jordan here at three. I've got the most one of the most dominant offensive players of all time with Jokic, and I'm getting the greatest scorer of all time. I think they'll perfectly compliment each other. It's pretty simple. I thought you were gonna take Jordan with the second pick, so I am very astatic to have Jokic and Jordan on the same squad.
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Speaker 2: Mj would have been my third pick if we were doing a snake draft, because he's another guy who I think is very well suited to scale alongside other great players because he is such an absolute weapon as an off ball score, He's a really good playmaker, but he doesn't have to dominate the ball, and like is just one of the great play finishers we've ever seen, and is literally the best ever in terms of putting the ball in the basket. So I like that pick a lot. I'm gonna take Lebron here with my second pick. The reason that I would slightly prefer MJ to Lebron in this draft is because of the same rationale that I've been talking about. I want ceiling raising. I want dudes who can really impact the game off ball, who have versatility, who don't need to have the ball in their hands a ton, But Lebron is still just incredible. I mean, yes, I think that all go with twenty eighteen Lebron here, just because I think that was the most offensively realized version. That's when he is definitely at his best as a pure mismatch tacker. Just as an absolute bully, he had added so much strength, and certainly when he's his most surgical in the half court, is just an absolute pick and roll genius. But I also think if you put him in an offensive context like this, where there are gonna be a lot of other great offensive players. He can be an effective catch and shooter, he can be really effective as a cutter. He can fill a number of roles, and he can be that sort of lead ball handler, dominant big point guard, and again any team that we're facing, like, I just love his ability to pinpoint the weakest defender on the floor and say I am going to impose my will on you and him and Steph playing together. That combination of rim pressure and playmaking from Lebron with steph shooting and Steph's off ball movement, I mean, it's just an absolute dream.
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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I mean, you just put any amount of shooting around Lebron and you're gonna have an elite offense. I mean, that is as deadly as a combo as they come. The malleability point that you were talking about is why I'm gonna go with this player at five. I'm gonna take Larry Bird.
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Speaker 2: Damn it, Logan, you're cooking. You're cooking. You're taking the same dudes I would have in those spots.
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Speaker 1: We're focusing solely on offense here, and while Larry's a good defender and a rebounder as well, a lot of his value comes from there. I mean, he's such a perfect fit when you think about guys that can just plug and play into any offensive system. There's another guy that I would really wanted this next pick. We'll see if you take him. I got a feeling he's gonna come off the board. But I really value floor spacing and shooting right. Defenders just naturally have to respect you take it for granted. Sometimes with teams that don't have elite spacing right, you'll watch a game and a guy will have let's say, ten clean drives to the paint every game. But that's because the defense has to respect the shooters. In bad situations, I'll use the Pistons as an example last year, where you can just throw two or three defenders at CAD because it's like, who cares Beef stew isn't putting up a three. If he is, I don't care, Right, you can just leave guys. Shooting is so so valuable in the context of offense and how it shakes defense is and what you need to do on top of that, Larry's a phenomenal passer, a phenomenal playmaker. He's fundamentally unselfish, He's a really, really good connecting piece, and I'm a static to get him here with my third pick.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm really really starting to regret that I didn't throw Rock there because you're taking the guys who I want. I think that Larry to me is not, in a vacuum, the fifth best offensive player in NBA history, But he absolutely is worthy of the fifth pick within the context of this draft, just because he makes a case as just the greatest plug and play offensive superstar along with Steph because he just fits anywhere. But Larry's ability to fill so many different roles offensively. He can screen for you, he can run, pick and roll. He's a great cutter, he can post up in his lethal scorer there, he's a very good spot up player, curling around screens. He just does so many things. At a highlight, he's an impactful offensive rebounder in passing. There's two things that I am just trying to stockpile in this draft generally speaking, and it's shooting in it's passing, because those are two skill sets that just amplify your surroundings no matter what, and when you're dealing with elite offensive players like you don't ever step on the toes of the other players by being a great quick decision maker and a selfless passer and a great shooter. You're always bringing value when you have those traits, and Larry Bird has those traits. So it's a really good pick. I really wanted him. I'm gonna take Kevin Durant here. I'm gonna take Kevin Durant because I think we're talking about a guy who brings that a plus shooting, who brings that excellent off ball value, who brings that malleability. Katie checks all those boxes. He's a good playmaker. He's not an elite one, but I don't know that I necessarily need another elite playmaker in my offense right now, and I think I'll be able to get one in the next round two. I think that Kd's skill set at this point in the draft is a little bit more rare than some of the more ball dominant, playmaking first players who I might be considering, So, especially when you think about Katie circa twenty fourteen, who I think is the version that I'll take here, Although there's an argument for him with the Warriors around twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, but with twenty fourteen KD, I get more of that rim pressure. I'm getting to the line a bit more. Just an insane combination of dominant one on one scoring and dominant off ball scoring skill set. So again, I want a stockpile shooting and I'm doing that with KDIE. He just fits so well in any offense that.
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Speaker 1: Was gonna be my next pick. Damn, I really wanted KD. I really wanted KD.
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Speaker 2: The top six dudes on my board have gone in the first six picks.
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Speaker 1: For what it's worth, I'm at a crossroads here.
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Speaker 2: In fact, Logan, I'm not joking. This is my exact big board that I had. I had you, he'll get you one steph too, Jordan three Lebron for Bird five KD six. That's kind of crazy, same wavelength you and I.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this guy's gonna start for me, but I think his overall offensive value is just too much to pass up. Right here, I'm gonna take Luka Doncic at my seventh spot, and I don't know if Luca is gonna start for me, but if he's running my bench unit or if I'm putting him in spot lineups, I just think his talent is a little bit too much to just pass up on right now. So I don't know if he's gonna be in my starting lineup, but I'm getting elite shooting, I'm getting elite scoring. I'm getting elite playmaking and passing. I'm getting a big body dude who can just attack mismatches. And like I said, if I don't want it, because Luca does have a heliocentric style of play, and that's what makes him difficult to gauge in these drafts, I just tend to think he's too talented to pass up at a point like right now, I don't know if there's any other player that I could take right now that has that combination of scoring and playmaking on the board, And that's why I'm gonna take Luca. Again, It's not the most seamless fit, which is why I may bring him off the bench, but I think his ability is just too high to pass up on right now.
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Speaker 2: That's interesting. I kind of thought that there was a relatively clear choice with how you've constructed your roster that you might take and it was not Luca. This is a little high for Luca in my eyes. I mean, he obviously is an incredible offensive talent. I just do think there are guys who are more efficient, who aren't necessarily as ball dominant, or who do have more of a playmaking first mindset. Luca is an all time great playmaker. I just think there's already so much scoring in all of these lineups that, like, again, I want those guys who really have this ceiling raising sort of skill sets, and I don't think that Luca epitomizes that at this level. When you consider some of the efficiency stuff, which is good but not elite at the heights we're talking about with these guys, some of the offensive on off impact metrics, Luca's great seven is a little bit high for me. You put me in an interesting spot, though, because I did think you were going to take somebody else. I'm gonna take Steve Nash here, And just in the interest of full transparency, the guy who I thought you were gonna take and who I'm really considering Nash up against is Magic Johnson, who I think is one of the top five offensive players in NBA history. But again, we're constructing a sort of unique roster here. Magic and Nash have a lot of similarities in the fact that they are both these ball dominant but low volume scoring, super efficient, all time genius playmaker kind of players. Obviously Magic is significantly bigger, but still they have that sort of same core identity and value. The reason that I'm gonna take Nash is basically, just within the context of this lineup, I want a ton of shooting. I want a guy who maybe can be a little bit more effective off ball because of that shooting, which that's not really Nash's game. But also Magic is somebody who very ball dominant. So if anybody's questioning Nash going this high because of the ross scoring or what have you, you have to understand this guy led a run of team offense that is really only rivaled by Magic and Oscar Robertson. He led six number one offenses in nine years, and he led three number two offenses in those seasons. So that's nine top two offenses in nine seasons. And from twenty five to twenty ten, he's giving you seventeen and eleven on plus nine percent relative true shooting. He is the greatest pick and role player we have ever seen, with his ability as a pull up shooter, with his ability to knock down floaters and shots in the lane with his handle, and he's a top three passer in NBA history. And he's just really an underrated scorer when you think about some of what we saw from him in the playoffs, where he could up his volume and he could maintain elite efficiency. He was better than a ninetieth percentile isolation score like every single year of his prime. You look at the two thousand and five playoffs, he averages twenty four points and eleven assists on fifty two thirty nine to ninety two splits. It's pretty simple. I've talked about wanting a stockpile passing and shooting. I'm getting a top three passer ever, I'm getting arguably a top three shooter ever. Steve Nash for his careers forty eight percent from mid range and forty three percent from three. That to me is just the best fit with this lineup. And I do want that sort of lead playmaker. I think Nash compliments the rest of my roster better than say Magic. But like, just think about Nash Lebron pick and roll with Steph off Ball. I mean, we're gonna use Lebron in a bunch of different ways in this offense. It's gonna be a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: I wanted Steve Nash a lot. Steve probably would have been my next pick. This might be surprising, but I really value his skill set. I'm gonna take Dirk Nowitzki here.
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Speaker 2: Wow. I really wanted Dirk a little later, but I really wanted him.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to give you the out. You've got back to back picks coming up, and I didn't want to let him slip through my fingers. Dirk also, I think has an underrated peak and at the peak of his powers. I mean, you know, when you think of Dirk, I think you think of the twenty eleven run, and it's a lot of low you know, post work, the one legged fade away, a lot of the classic dirt stuff. But prime Dirt could handle prime Dirk. He gets to the rack a little bit, and he was leading out of lead offenses as well. Like Dirk's a problem. I think in hindsight, I think he gets a little bit underrated. But I mean I'm getting elite floor spacing here from Dirk. I'm getting a little bit of that handling. I'm getting again, stuff that the defense just isn't gonna have an answer for it. If I want easy points, I can dump it to Yokic on the low block. Guess what on the other block, I got Dirk Novitsky. Like, all right, y'all figure it out. I just think it's a really problematic formula. You're gonna have to respect everybody on the court for me because they're all great shooters, which is gonna open up all this space in inside the art to work. I just really really value Dirk's skill set. It's so so unique when you're looking at the other guys, when I feel like, for example, I'm just gonna use these guys because I think it's a pretty simple comparison. If I was to draft a Shack or Ayannis, who I was contemplating, just because of their interior dominance, there's a counter for those guys, right Like you can sag off of them and HER's your spacing. Dirk is a guy that I just don't think there's a really good answer for. So I'm gonna take Dirk here. I really value his skill set.
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Speaker 2: I like the pick man. Like I said, I was really targeting Dirk as one of my first couple guys off the bench. I do think that he's underrated. Twenty one to twenty eleven, he led a top ten offense every single year. He led four number one offenses. Three of those came with Nash, but one of them also comes post Nash in two thousand and six, and he led eight top five offenses in that span. So I do think he can get a little bit underrated because the scoring numbers are crazy, like for a decade he was twenty five points per game on plus five percent relative true shooting. But it's not the most overwhelming ross scoring peak we've ever seen in terms of the volume. And then he doesn't apparently have a ton of playmaking value. Right wasn't a great passer, but it's the versatility and it's the gravity. With his scoring, it is having a seven footer who can hit forty seven percent of his mid range jumpers and thirty eight percent of his threes. Dirk was just such a monster dude, monster post up player up there for the best isolationist in the league throughout the two thousands, like insane efficiency. Year over, you're just a complete mismac problem with his shooting, with his size, with his underrated agility. At his peak, he was a free throw machine. He's a pick and pop monster. I'm raven about to pick. I really really like the pick. Like I could say that this is a little early, but just when I think about the complimentary skill sets that you want, it's pretty damn good man. I will say, you are lacking some athleticism and you're starting five.
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Speaker 1: We got we got shooters, though we're not.
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Speaker 2: We're no, no, you're not, you're not.
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Speaker 1: Your bet are not missed because we're not getting any offensive boards.
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Speaker 2: Well, yo, kitchen Bird, you actually do have really good size too. Yeah, the thing you're the smallest due So I like the lineup that you've built. But if there's one thing that you are lacking, it would be that that rim pressure, that downhill athleticism. So I'm gonna get rim pressure at a rate that we've never seen in the history of the sport. I'm just gonna take shack at this point because I could look at my lineup and I could say, well, the one thing that maybe I'm missing at that elite level is rim pressure. Outside of Lebron and Young Kdie was pretty good there. But just give me the greatest rim finishing force that we have ever seen. Give me the biggest raw post up matchup problem, automatic double, and he's a good playmaker out of the doubles, and he's got insane shooting all around him, real pick and roll finishing weapon if we're gonna use him that way. Like just the combination of Steph Kdie and Nash's shooting with Shaq as this sort of paint force drawing as much attention as he does. Stephan Shack in the same offense is just overpowered. And then I have Lebron getting downhill, and I have his playmaking, and I have Nash playmaking. I'm feeling pretty good right now, Logan, I'm feeling pretty damn good. Now we flip the order, so I'm picking first because we are into our bench now. I can't think of a better guy to be my bench point guard than Magic Johnson at this point, I just feel like the talent is way too good to pass up on. Like I said, Nash led a run off team offense that is rivaled only by Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson what Magic did throughout the eighties, making the Lakers damn near an automatic number one offense. What he did even after Kareem had regressed from star level and after Kareem had retired entirely like nineteen eighty nine, their number one offense nineteen ninety their number one offense nineteen ninety one. They get to the finals on the back of their elite offense that is led by Magic Johnson. He's just one of the great ball dominant offensive creators that we have ever seen. Ridiculously efficient offensive player, the greatest passer in an history. His raw audacity as a passer, to me is just unrivaled. He's so brilliant, doesn't need any window as a passer to just find the advantage that he can create. Incredible and what I get from him in transition where he is a top two offensive player ever along with Lebron, and I think that he's an underrated score because he didn't have that sort of crazy volume. But he really was a mismatch problem out of the post. You're not gonna find a lot of guards that can deal with six foot nine Magic Johnson with his excellent touch there, pick and roll, getting downhill. There's just so so much to love about Magic and he's an architect of some of the greatest offenses we've ever seen. I get him to run my bench unit. I'm very very happy with that.
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Speaker 1: Magic was my next pick.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure he was not any more Palkeep Freeman.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that size in athleticism. I'm gonna take Giannis on Tetakunmpo here, and we're talking about the most physical players of all time, right the most dominant shack Giannis. And I think Yannis is just getting better offensively right now. Man like the ability that he's reached with his playmaking, with his mid range shooting. And I don't want to show my cards here. I think my bench duo is gonna be Luca and Janis. I think that's the guys that are gonna head my bench, and I'm gonna see if I can find a PG to trot into my starting lineup. I just think that's one hell of a one to two off the bench, And yeah, I need that size in athleticism, I need a rim runner. And that's the beauty of what I've done with my starting five is I think that Yannis could seamlessly fit depending on what lineups we want to run. I think Giannis can fit in with my starting lineup for certain matchups, and you know, just brings a different dimension That's what I wanted to do with this pick more than anything else. I've got a lot of shooting, I've got some playmaking, I've got some scoring. I want a guy that brings a different type of skill set, and Yannis brings that sort of rim pressure, downhill, physical dominant force that again, I put shooters around Giannis. He's gonna amplify those guys too. So I'm very, very happy to get a dominant athletic force like Yannis.
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Speaker 2: This is a little bit high for me, but I see the vision. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I also dating back to when we did a All time Draft a long time ago and Blaze Radio, somehow me and you let Gabe get Steph Lebron Janis in Shack. I just don't want you to get Yannis in Shack both as well.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't need Yannis and Shaq both, that's my take, But I do like that Yannis. Although to me he's not the twelfth best offensive player in NBA history, He's definitely not. He does have a very distinct value out of this group, which is just god tear, rim pressure, and there's no question he's better than he's ever been. Right, He's almost a forty six percent mid range shooter this year. His playmaking now as a driver is really impressive. He does present some spacing issues for any offense, considering that he's not going to be operating as your CEN, and we've seen certain teams, certain individual defenders who are strong enough to really wall him off.
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Speaker 1: I got Dirt to run the five along Janis. I got Jokis to run the five alongside Jannis, Like, we do have floor spacing alongside him. So I don't think that's gonna it is a problem right in general, but I don't think it's gonna be a problem here. Now.
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Speaker 2: Giannis is a monster, but I do think that he is more flawed offensively than a lot of the other dudes in this change. But he also has that god ter ability. I'm gonna take Kobe here. I just think he's another guy who really fits in to a number of different situations just because he's one of those all time great off ball scorers. And that's just such a valuable way to stress a defense when you do have so many guys who do want to have the ball in their hands and who are so effective with the ball in their hands. Like I'm getting a guy who really was a smart mover without the ball who just needs these slight windows as a catch and shooter to knock him down, because he's the greatest difficult shot maker that we've ever scene. And then he can get downhill to the rim. He is someone who can attack from all over the floor. I can give him the ball in the mid post, right, he can kill you as an off ball scorer. He can space the floor and shoot from three at a decently high level at the very least. And he's not a great playmaker, but he is a good one. And again, it's just about how many different ways can you stress the defense, especially when I already have my ball dominant bench player in Magic Johnson, I think Kobe is a really, really great version of that. And he was a great offensive floor raiser and ceiling raizer. I think what he did in two thousand and six it's one of the great floor raising jobs ever, where he's averaging a relatively efficient thirty five plus points per game in improving that offense by like twenty points per one hundred possessions. Give me that version of Kobe in the mid two thousands, really like two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, who was a better three point shooter than younger, more athletic Kobe. That to me is the difference. That's what I want in this offense the most.
00:27:00
Speaker 1: That's a really good pick. I'm conflicted between two players right now.
00:27:09
Speaker 2: It's really interesting how needs end up becoming more important than raw talent, because I think that there's two sort of archetypes that are a little bit overly stacked in terms of raw talent, and there's a couple of great, great offensive players who are slipping, but I don't know if I'm dying to pick them.
00:27:25
Speaker 1: There's two guys. I'm gonna give one of them, I think at the next pick, which is why I'm gonna take this guy. I'm gonna take Oscar Roberts, and he's gonna be my starting point guard. I need a table setter. He's jumbo sized, right, so nobody in my lineup is gonna be smaller than six foot five. I think we've got a real size advantage there. Now I can officially move Luca and Giannis to the bench, so Oscar will slot into my starting lineup. I want a guy who's un selfish, who has some versatile impact, right, I can shoot the ball, a little bit, really well rounded and uh just ahead of his time. I mean, was leading out some of the league's best offenses year after year, and I think with the kind of talent around him, I think Oscar is gonna flourish. I needed that table, and I think pick wise like value pickwise, I think this is a really good get at fourteen for me.
00:28:09
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, dude, one hundred percent, it's a phenomenal get. By the way, fourteen shout out Oscar. Number fourteen. In Cincinnati, Oscar led six number one offenses with the Royals. His career production is twenty six seven and a half boards, nine and a half assists on plus seven percent true shooting. He is like the first example of that utterly dominant score and playmaker guy who makes a case at least for being best in the league at both, who can just single handedly carry you to be an elite offense, absurd efficiency, got to line at a ridiculous rate, got downhill consistently, could beat you as a mid range shooter, and he's got great size, like you said, and he's a really good positional rebounder. That's a really really good pick man. So now I am conflicted between prioritizing raw talent and prioritizing need or just where there is maybe less value to compete with at the position, so the guys comparatively a bit more of a steal. Yeah, fuck it, because there's two guys who I can get at this other position that I would basically feel equally good about. I'm gonna take Charles Barkley here. I think that is one of the most underrated offensive players ever, like just an absolute force. In his prime, led six top five offenses, two number one offenses, was dragging Philly in those later years to still being above average offenses, and then the second he leaves, they go and become a bottom five offense. I really do value that efficiency, and I really do value that versatility. And there is no player in NBA history of significance more efficient than Charles Barkley. Four straight years he led league in true shooting percentage. That's never been done since by anybody else. By the way, speaking of leading the league in true shooting percentage, I said the other day that I thought Bob McAdoo was the only guy to lead the league in both points per game andrew shooting percentage. I forgot of course that's Steph Curry, star of my team, also did that in twenty sixteen. So we've got the efficiency at unbelievable levels, and we've got Steve Nash. We've got the only couple of guards to lead the league in true shooting percentage. Well, Ashley Oscar did it too, So there are three. It's Nash, Curry and Oscar, but I've got two of them. But when it comes to Barkley, Man just crazy efficient, very versatile as a scorer, elite elite offensive rebounder, which is really good value for me. And he's a really good playmaker, which again is something that I want everybody in my offense to be able to do. But I can give him the ball. He's a phenomenal post hub. He's got just this overwhelming strength down low, and he's a skilled ball handler, and he's got this impressive agility and control on the lane. He can push and transition. He and magic and transition. Will be a whole lot of fun with our bench. Legitimately versatile off ball player, cutter, dunker, spot target, decent spot up shooter, gets to the line at an excellent rate, and great playoff performer. Offensively as well, so he's just a guy who is so efficient, who does so many things. Well, it's exactly what I want in this sort of team.
00:31:26
Speaker 1: It's so funny to me that we're going lockstep because I think we have our eyes on the same two bigs and we're just sure pushing, I suppose. So this has allowed me to get another player that I really wanted to take earlier that I was afraid you were going to take. I didn't know where Chuck was gonna go. I know he was gonna go. I'm gonna take Shay Gildes Alexander right here, and I'm gonna be very very happy with it. I mean, I have the four best players I think on the planet today in Jokich, Luca, Jannis and Sga. Yeah you do. Sga is one of the best scorers I've ever seen. And when I'm thinking about my bench, I've got Luca, I've got SGA, and I've got Giannis. All three of those guys have really good size, and I think they can all be complimentary to one another. It may be a little bit weird with Luca and SGA with this on ball off ball dynamic, because they're both guys that really flourish with the ball in their hands. But yeah, I'm gonna be comfortable with Luca being that table setter and the guy that starts it off for us, and that an SGA and him going back and forth. But I already think SGA is one of the best scoring guards in league history. He can do it from anywhere inside the arc. He's so shifty, he's got such phenomenal footwork, such great touch, and again he's jumbo size too. Really, he's got really good positional size. So we're gonna keep pushing these centers lower and lower down the board. Man, I'm very happy to get SGA, though.
00:32:46
Speaker 2: It's a good pick. The reason that I'm a little bit lower on SGA for this draft than I would be in terms of his raw all time offensive peak is because of what I talked about with really valuing that ceiling raising, versatile off ball skill set. SGA is one of the all time Give him the rock and he will just serve you a bucket kind of guys. I do think he's the best raw scorer in the NBA today, and I think he's one of the great on ball scorers that we've ever seen. I mean, what he's doing almost thirty three points per game on sixty four percent true shooting, improving though, Okay, see offense from being Wizards level to Cavs level just when he's off the floor compared to when he's on it. Incredible, incredible, incredible. The reason that he was a little lower is I just look and I see Okay, Oscar and Nash in magic In Luca and all these guys who are guards who are going to have the ball in their hands a lot. Shay just ultimately didn't grade quite highly offensively to be compared to those other guys.
00:33:47
Speaker 1: That makes sense. He's just so damn efficient, man.
00:33:49
Speaker 2: He's ridiculous. He's ridiculous. And like, maybe you aren't getting the absolute most value out of both him and Luca if they're playing together, because there is some overlap in terms of ball dominance. But also, like you said, I mean, if you're just trading off possessions and it's Luca finding a mismatch and cooking him and then it's Shae finding a mismatch and cooking him, Like that's really, really, really a problem for any defense to deal with. Are we gonna keep playing this game of putting off draft in the bigs. Now I'm gonna take one. The reason that I have been putting it off, though, is because the two bigs are so close to me. Yeah, exactly, I'm gonna take Wilt.
00:34:32
Speaker 1: It's a good picks now.
00:34:33
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take Wilt just because of the ridiculous playmaking and efficiency at his peak, Like nineteen sixty seven, Wilt is giving me twenty four twenty four and eight on plus fourteen percent relative true shooting. I'm getting one of the two most dominant rebounders in basketball history. I'm getting one of the best playmaking centers that we've ever seen, and I'm getting a guy who, when he wants to, can still serve up sixty with really good efficiency. But this version of Wilt was so much more of that playmaking hub. He was a guy who you could run a lot of handoffs through, who could play make out of the post and just made everybody else around him. Then he's also this all time finishing force around the rim. So my bench right now doesn't have a ton of shooting. I have an idea for that. Back to you.
00:35:21
Speaker 1: Mine doesn't have a ton of shooting either. I'm gonna go ahead, and I'm gonna Takekaarhem abdul Jabbar. Here, we'll knock the centers out of the way. The one underrated thing I wanted to mention about Wilt. I think a lot of people when they just imagine Wilt in their head, they kind of imagine this Yannis sort of like role man and like just runner and dunker. Wilt has really good touch. If you go back and water break seams of Wilt, like his touch around the rim is insane, where he can just get to that little fade away or if he's getting any of these touch shots, it's like it's really automatic.
00:35:49
Speaker 2: Well, I mean his fade away was like his signature shot, and then it was just very in vogue back in the day to have like sort of those finger ll flip finishes. If you watch Elgin right, he's got a lot of that. Wilt had a ton of that. So that's another way that you saw his touch. Absolutely really really unbelievably gifted offensive player, and just the physical tools so far surpassed everybody else. The combination of size, strength, agility, speed hops, I mean, it's insane value. Kareem is also insane value though, just in terms of how great these players are It's just we were both looking and like, Okay, I'll be all right if I get either one of these two exactly.
00:36:27
Speaker 1: And ultimately that's why I took Yokic number one, because I think his positional value is so great at the center spot that you know, I just value that over it. But Kareem's gotten unstoppable. Look, he's got the skyhook man, and that's what I really like about my benches. I've just got some stuff that I don't think teams are gonna be able to stop. SGA's change of pace, Lucas mismatch, attacking, ability to create by himself shooting is a little bit limited, and so maybe we stagger some of these looks with Kareem and Dirk and jokicch and Giannis, and maybe we try to mix and match those looks. So we have at least four floor spacers and we don't have two nons on the court at any given time. But I think it's just really hard to stop. I mean, to get Kareem here. I think is is ticket will I wanted Wilt, if I'm being honest, just because of the play making value in totality. But Kareem's a beast Gareem was unstoppable on the low block for a really, really long time, and that's what.
00:37:17
Speaker 2: I'm so I am going to take Reggie Miller here. And I was thinking about maybe waiting to see if I could sneak him in later steal him just because maybe he wasn't so much on your radar, But I just want him too badly.
00:37:36
Speaker 1: I just think you would take Reggie over Clay a one hundred percent on ball creation.
00:37:44
Speaker 2: Apping difference is on ball creation difference is scoring efficiency. Difference is the ability to get to the line at an elite rate. The difference is feel in playmaking. Reggie was legitimately solid there, whereas Clay's lack of passing vision has always been a real limitation of his And I think that Reggie also is another level as an off ball mover compared to Clay. I think that there's a pretty big gap that allowed Reggie to be the number one on a lot of elite offenses, whereas Clay was always better suited to slot into that number two or even number three role. Reggie does have more on ball juices, just got more to his game. So yeah, some people might look at his raw numbers or his accolades or whatever. Reggie Miller is one of the most efficient players in basketball history. Like I mentioned Barkley, Nash, Steph Magic him, I've got a lot of the tier one efficiency dudes that we've ever seen, which is great when I'm putting together a team with so many talented players. And to me, is the greatest off ball mover in NBA history. It's ridiculous. It's an art form what he did coming off of screens, just constantly stressing the defense with his movement. And I think he's the second greatest off ball shooting weapon ever, only two Steph Curry. So I get that guy who again was such an underrated offensive engine. He was the engine of nine top eight offenses in two number one offenses. I want that shooting ability at every level. I want that top tier all time off ball movement and that top tier all time efficiency. I want that craftiness and ability to get to the line. I think that this is a great pick, especially when I look at what I need with my second unit, which is that A plus shooting and just like the combination of shooting that I can get from Steph and Nash and Reggie Miller, and any combination in my backcourt. It just makes me drool.
00:39:37
Speaker 1: Man, this guy wasn't even on my board, but you've kind of talked me into it. I think I'm gonna take I don't know if this is a bad.
00:39:48
Speaker 2: Pick or not. I think I know who you're thinking.
00:39:52
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna take Ray Allen.
00:39:54
Speaker 2: I don't hate it at all. I mean, he was my backup if Reggie.
00:39:57
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here, I want to be clear about something, cause there's a lot of guys that I thought about. I thought about Dwayne Wade, and Dwayne Wade was the first guy that I thought about because of his rim pressure and his play making ability at his apex, because you just couldn't stay in front of the guy, and he's got such a rock solid mid range game. But when I look about the construction of my bench right now, just the guys Luca Sga, Kareem Jannis, I don't love that spacing. And again, we're not gonna run all those minutes together. But fundamentally, if we did a platoon swap and those guys were on the floor together, I would feel less confident about And again, he's an all time player, But it's the same thing with like a Russell Westbrook. I think Russell Westbrook, depending on the players that you put around him in a hypothetical draft like this could really work, you know, specifically, like you put him alongside prime Westbrook with his brain currently with a guy like Jokic, he'd amplify the hell out of him. And of course if you put shooting around him. But again it's just I've put I've already put my chips in on these guys in his lineup, and I just really value Ray's floor spacing. And I think, honestly similarly, Carson, you tell me how you feel about this. When guys reach the Apex and when they win the title, I can feel like we sometimes pigeon hold them into what they were when they were winning at their apex. Terrt Novitsky I used this comparison earlier in twenty eleven, and that's probably the first thing that you think about with Dirk when prime Dirk was about five years previous to that, in in the mid two thousands. When you think about prime Kevin Garnett, a lot of people are going to think about two thousand and eight Kevin Garnett that anchored the defense and was the best player, but you're not you know, you don't think about prime KG from five years earlier. And I think that can kind of happen with Ray Allen, where you maybe pigeonhole him into this just straight up spot up shooter because of these iconic moments the Celtics, the Miami Heat where he's hitting all these big shots right, and I'm getting that. I'm getting that elite shooting ability, but I'm also getting a guy with a lot of on ball juice who can handle and create and it was responsible for leading out elite offenses every single year in Milwaukee in Seattle. Specifically in Seattle, I think they're almost they're top five to top ten every single year with Ray Allen leading the show. And that's where I want to hammer home here, is there maybe guys who are individually just better offensive players and floor raisers. But it's that floor raising versus ceiling dynamic. And that's why when we're looking at FIT, I don't prefer Russ, I don't prefer d Wade here. I really think I value Ray Allen's skill set.
00:42:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have Ray above both of those guys too, And like I said, he was my backup option to Reggie. I think both of these guys are really underrated players because they're shooting and their off ball gravity was so extremely impactful. Like Ray Allen was the best player on four top three offenses between Milwaukee and Seattle. The reason that I prefer Reggie more overwhelmingly efficient, little craftier when it comes to his ability to use pump fakes off the catch, get defenders to bite, get to the line at an elite level, really crafty finisher around the rim. So he ended up being super efficient there even though you know he doesn't have crazy athletic traits. He's a little bit bigger, six seven, got this crazy quick release, and again, raise a great off ball player. I think Reggie does take it up another level though, is his ability to set up his man, his ability to punish overplays with cuts. I think they are two underrated offensive players. I think that they both deserved to go in this draft. Who's scoring big in the NBA this season? You are with all the new ways to get in on the action at DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA. From monster slams to dishing the rock to cleaning the glass, get behind your favorite players and the prop bets you can make on DraftKings, the home of NBA player props.
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00:45:07
Speaker 2: Now, I am in a bit of a predicament. I feel like I have a lot of talent in my backcourt, so maybe you could argue that I shouldn't go there again. But at this point we're looking at the eleventh and twelfth spots. I'm just gonna take the best offensive player who I think hasn't been selected, and that's gonna be Jerry West for me. Jerry grew to be an elite playmaker, always was an elite scorer. Is a guy who can operate as sort of a combo guard for me. Dominant downhill score, really really excellent ball handler for his time, excellent shooter, got to the line at a ridiculous rate, and in the playoffs just got better over twenty nine points per game of his career on plus five and a half percent relative true shooting the playoffs in scoring four times and assists three times. If I'm getting that guy with the twenty first pick of this draft, I'm happy with that, and I'm gonna take the logo.
00:46:12
Speaker 1: I like the pick. I'm gonna take a guy that I mentioned earlier, you know, now that I've got my lineups kind of set, I'm gonna take one backcourt guy, one front court guy. I'm gonna take Dwayne Wade here. And it's specifically just the versatility that I can go with now that I've gotten a guy like Ray that'll fit into the system just certain matchups. I know that d Wade is a guy that can just abuse players on ball, so hard to stay in front of, so freakishly athletic, such a great finisher around the rim, and an elite mid range scorer. Obviously, I think there are lineups that aren't gonna work with d Wade because he's not really an elite floor spacer, and but he does some complimentary stuff too where I think that maybe that goes overlooked, right It's like a backdoor cutter or you know, as an off ball mover and stuff like that. The spacing's a little weird, but I think in certain matchups, I think Dwayne Wade's skill set would be really really hard to stop. If you don't have a guy that can stop him. He's just a guy that can wreck a game. So I want a little bit more athleticism. I want a little bit more interior scoring because I don't have a lot of that throughout my roster. So I'm gonna take d Wade.
00:47:13
Speaker 2: Man. I have quite a decision on my hands here. I have guys who are two spots apart on my board. This guard is two spots higher than this forward. But I'm wondering if I should just take the forward because I do have already more of a guard oriented roster, and like, this is a guy who would be an e leite offensive rebounder for me. He'd be a real imposing athletic force. But I also think if the guard doesn't go in this draft, people are probably gonna lose their minds. And I think that if I get him here, a lot of people would probably view it as the steel of the draft. I'm gonna take James Harden here. I just think he's, in terms of the regular season, the greatest isolation scorer that we've ever seen. I mean, the production is literally unbelievable. I believe it's twenty nineteen when he scores eighteen isolation points per game or maybe it was twenty twenty. Either way, both of those years he's totally lapping the league. And then like the guy with the next most isolation points per game is averaging four point five. It's just completely absurd. He is one of the toughest dudes ever to deal with on an island because his change in pace was so exceptional, so shifty, and then he has the literally unguardable step back three. So if you're just telling me that I can get a guy who was capable of averaging thirty five points per game on really good efficiency and then was also one of the best passers in the league, Like, yes, he's really ball dominant, sure, but my god man, he's just so good. And I'm somebody who's been critical of Harden's playoff resume, I do think it's worth noting that that is compared to the myriad, the meteoric and that he set for himself in the regular season, his offensive production in the playoffs still outpaces a lot of other great players all time. This is an all offense draft. I'm getting a dude who has such a unique and when he's at his best, unstoppable skill set offensively, and he's gonna be my twelfth man. I think it's just too good to pass up on. But I will shout out the guy who I really considered after this, because I'm bummed to not take him. And I do have a lot of guards, but I don't care. I mean, I have enough dudes in my front court. I have Lebron, I have Kdie, I have Shaq, I have Barkley, I have Willed. Kobe can operate as a three. I'm just gonna take the best player.
00:49:37
Speaker 1: I don't really know what I should do with this last pick. I'm I've been thinking about a lot of different guys.
00:49:45
Speaker 2: You want to take a forward? You were saying, I think I want to take a forward.
00:49:50
Speaker 1: I mean I've been thinking about a guy like a Mari Stodhommeyer for a minute, just because, like I was talking about that athleticism and that rim running.
00:49:58
Speaker 2: Can I make a suggestion of a dude who I would just be happy to see?
00:50:01
Speaker 1: Go? Sure? Is it Elgin?
00:50:03
Speaker 2: It's not Elgent? Is doctor J?
00:50:05
Speaker 1: I was thinking about Doctor J two. I just don't know if you know what I will. I mean, I was he was on my short list of guys I was thinking about too hyper athletic I think can fill a roll off ball as well. Like so I was just thinking, like so much of his value does come from defense. But you're getting a special especially those ABA days, early six ers, early nets, doctor J. Man, that's a special, special athlete, a special score, and I think a really just common misconception about a lot of players in this era. Like Doctor J is not a three point shooter by any means, but he can shoot the ball from the mid range.
00:50:39
Speaker 2: As well, so really good passer.
00:50:42
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm really happy with getting Doctor J here.
00:50:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's the guy who I was really debating up against Harden, and I'm just happy to see him go. I mean, the rim pressure for him is absolutely absurd. The combination of the handle and the agility and the quickness at his size for his era, it's just absurd. And he was a really good playmaker. He's really good in transition. And you're getting a guy who for a decade was twenty six ten and four and a half on pretty good efficiency, like plus three and a half percentury shooting for his career. I just wanted to see him go. I think that he's better than the other guys that you were here.
00:51:15
Speaker 1: He was on he was on my short list of guys I was considering with that last pick, but I wanted an athlete. I wanted another forward, and he checks a lot of the boxes for me. Also, he's he's just a little bit more versative on a little more skilled than some of the other guys.
00:51:28
Speaker 2: So, Logan, will you please read off to us your entire all offense lineup? All right?
00:51:34
Speaker 1: My starting five is Oscar Robertson at point, Michael Jordan at the two, Larry Bird at the three, Dirt Noovitski at the four, Nicole Jokic at the five, and then off the bench, I've got Luka, Doncic, Ray Allen, Shai Gilges, Alexander Giannis, Santetukumpo, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Dwayne Wade, and Julius Irving.
00:51:53
Speaker 2: Okay, I have in my starting five Steve Nash, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Lebron James shack Oh. I love the fit of that group. Then for my bench, Magic Johnson, Reggie Miller, Kobe Bryant, Charles Barkley, Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, and James Hardin. So people, let us know who you think had the better drafts. Who are some of the toughest exclusions for you, Logan some of the toughest cuts.
00:52:22
Speaker 1: Honestly, Russell Westbrook was a tough cut for me just because of the floor raising job that he can do. And I know that Russell Westbrook is a really polarizing player and a lot of people have different opinions on him. The only issue and the reason that I ultimately didn't go with Russ is because I think that the mature version, the way I'm thinking about this, the mature version of Russ that understands how to win that we're seeing now in Denver, I'm just not gonna automatically give that to prime athletic Russell Westbrook because I watched a lot of Russell Westbrook and I know the bad decision making and the Yeah, I can't really wash that taste out of my mouth. And I do have a little bit of sympathy for us, and like the MVP season because you look at the offense that he was playing with. There was so little floor spacing around there that I really wonder if they had just put shooting around Russ, how great that offense could have truly been, you know, and that team defense was great, right. That was the concession that they made. Russ is going to be our offensive number one, and we're gonna build a good team defense around him. But there wasn't a lot of shooting, and so part of me goes, well, if we gimmicked up an offense and we put it around Russ and we just put a bunch of shooters and just said hey, go downhill, it would work. But I just don't feel like that's really in the spirit of the draft. And I know Russell Westbrook's play style, and I don't want to take the bad that comes with the goods, so to speak, the bad turnovers, the bad shots election, the consistent playoff dropping of prime Westbrook. But he is an all time floor raiser. He's just not the best fit.
00:53:51
Speaker 2: Nah. I didn't really consider Russ for this draft. I just think he's really not the sort of player I'm looking to take when I have all time greats.
00:53:58
Speaker 1: Every ye, well, come, you didn't take eight danty Man. That's what really the people want to know.
00:54:02
Speaker 2: Because I don't need that ball stopping black hole. Very efficient scorer. But Adrian Dantley did not cross the Old Nogan and Russ. It's just I don't need the sort of meteoric usage rate. Super Bowl dominant, inefficient, gonna put up some bad shots, turn the ball over a lot, my toughest cuts. Chris Paul. I would have loved to get Chris Paul on my roster, you know how I feel about him. But there's just a lot of really good guards, and when it was coming down to Jerry West or James Harden the last couple of rounds, I just think those guys were more of offensive forces at their absolute peaks than Chris Paul was a keem. If I were to have taken a third center, it would have been a cheme, just because if you look at ninety four ninety five, when Jordan is out of the league, he's the best scorer in basketball. Not crazy efficient, but just the artistry, the difficult shot making, the footwork out of the post, and then he was a solid passer at that time. But compared to the guys who we chose, I mean, they either just were more out liar, physical freaks, more efficient, got easier stuff around the rim, like your wilt, your shack, your kareem just being so huge and having such phenomenal touch and really good agility when he was younger, or it's Jokich's just one of a kind. So ultimately I didn't feel like I needed a third center, And a lot of these perimeter players are a bit more impactful because they have that scoring playmaking combo floor spacing, and a little bit more versatile. Often and Rick Barry I considered it would have been hard for me to take him over like a doctor j or any of the forwards who I was really considering, but just a really really awesome player with his playmaking. And I was just watching a game from the seventy five finals and like, he probably hit like six jump passes in that game, and every one of them is electric, So he's pretty great.
00:55:48
Speaker 1: Tell me if I was tweaking for even considering these guys, I really thought about Karl Anthony Towns. I'm not gonna lie, dude.
00:55:58
Speaker 2: Shout out big perr. I mean, you know, I love Kat. It's hard for me to see the case. I mean, I get it because of the A plus floor spacing, but he's just you already had Elkicchen Dirk. You know you don't need another big who can shoot it like that that was the thing.
00:56:11
Speaker 1: He's just gang, a little bit gangling, a little bit goofy sometimes man. But and then I legitimately I didn't take him because I already had Dirk and I already had Jogics. But I did think about our Vita Sabonis for a minute, just because we didn't really get to see like the full prime version of our Vetus until he was older, and I would be getting like young Sabonas. But I've got the floor spacing, and that's why in the back half of the draft, I really focused on getting like a lot of athletes to make up and compensate for some of the shortcomings that we had there. But how do you fall with like some of the old guys like I know you brought up you just brought up Rick Barry, but guys like elgind Baylor in their skill sets, like guys with gaudy numbers, How did you strike that balance?
00:56:53
Speaker 2: I mean Elgin would be on the short list off for me. He was just never the most efficient score but really unique athlete for his time, I mean crazy sort of hang time and finishing ability, and he was a good playmaker. But if I were to choose an offensive forward of not quite that era, but of like sort of the pre merger sixty seventies time. I would have gone Berry over him, and if you're talking seventies, I would go doctor j over both of them. But it was just not far off. And I think it's important to say if anybody looks at this roster and says, oh, you have to any throwbacks or whatever like as always judging these guys relative to their eras. There's no other way to do it, in my opinion. You can't expect somebody to be light years ahead of their time, to be pulling out these sick crossovers when they would have been called carries in their time, to be shooting threes when threes due course, like.
00:57:43
Speaker 1: Kozi would get stripped. He was dribbling the ball like this.
00:57:45
Speaker 2: You know, well, Kuzy is so ridiculous, Bro Bob, Kuzy is so ridiculous. I swear to god. I just talked about watching the Rick Barry game. I've also been watching a game from the sixty three finals. I'm doing this for a purpose. By the way, this sounds like something I would just do for fun, but this time it's a concerted effort for something and it's so ridiculous. Bro, some of like the fakes where it's like he's passed the ball behind his back and then like a full second later he's like, ah, like, oh, what if I was actually spotting a cutter? It's like, all right, Bob Houdini of the Harwood as MF. But yeah, like always judge people compared to their contemporaries, relative to their era. The game evolves, it gets better always, but you got to appreciate the dudes who laid the groundwork. And if you don't do that, then you know, the best guys will just always be the best players from the most recent era. And that's not interesting, and to me, it's not accurate to just the way that sports grow and develop. Everybody should be acknowledged.
00:58:38
Speaker 1: One I can't believe LaMarcus Aldridge didn't go Bro mid Range is snubbed, so subbed. Another guy I thought a lot about was Dame. Honestly, I thought about Dame being an option off the bench.
00:58:49
Speaker 2: Not far off, not far off. Again, it's just like there's a lot of great guards, and am I taking Dame over Prime Harden just purely offensively? No, I'm not, But yeah, I mean the shooting ability alone is so incredibly valuable that he does at least deserve a shout. I'm gonna take one last look at my roster here. I love our passing, I love our shooting. We've got ample rim pressure. We can run in transition. We've got Lebron, We've got Magic, We've got Barkley. We've got Steph sprint into the corner to kill you with a transition three. We've got elite off ball scorers like Kobe and Reggie. Barkley's really good. Their Steph is all time, KT is awesome. And we've got those elite elite on ball playmakers Nash, Lebron Magic. We've got a dominant one on one score James Harden. We've got everything. We've got everything. We've got dudes who can get buckets, playmake score, off ball, fill so many different roles. I love our team. I like your team a lot too, Logan. I think my team wins.
00:59:52
Speaker 1: I think my team wins. I think we get I think you're getting buckets, but my team is getting bucket buckets.
00:59:58
Speaker 2: That's an interesting point.
01:00:00
Speaker 1: Team.
01:00:01
Speaker 2: That's very good. I have a couple more questions about shooting. I have a couple more questions, maybe about skill set redundancies. That's all I can say. Every time you got a lot of shooting, you don't have as much shooting as I do.
01:00:14
Speaker 1: With Sam Bay and your ship. Bro.
01:00:17
Speaker 2: Well, Bro, I'm not playing defense. We're both playing offense against some generic NBA defense.
01:00:25
Speaker 1: Maybe we look maybe when we do all defense, we'll put our all defense teams against.
01:00:29
Speaker 2: That's actually a great idea. That's a great idea. I wonder if we could put them in like one of those simulators. I think you can.
01:00:36
Speaker 1: I think we could.
01:00:37
Speaker 2: That's a great idea. I want to do an all defense drafts soon. We should do that soon. But today it was all offense all the time. Baby, I had a great time. And the NBA is going to be back soon, is the good news. But we are here no matter what, Baby. We can always yap, And if you want to hear us yap, then you probably know where to find us. YouTube. You can get all of our content, NBA shows, NFL show of course it's more NBA focused now, but that's all on our YouTube channel, as our video essays and film breakdowns where we go more in depth on a specific subject. You can also just listen to the show across all audio platforms, and you can follow us across social media to get more of our content, all of our trivia stuff, graphics from the show. When we do a list like this, you can see it visualized across social and vote on some poll or comment and say who you think won the draft. And of course we also have clips from the show there. So follow us at nerd Sessh on Instagram and TikTok and at nerd Underscore Sesh on Twitter. You can also join our discord if you want to chat with the gang be part of our community there. That link is at the link tree across our social media bios and you can check out our merch if you want. That is also linked in our link tree and at breakingtea dot com. So with that, as always appreciate you guys. I've been Carson
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