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Speaker 2: La ten no.
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Speaker 1: Get it.
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Speaker 2: All right before we begin. Sergiomora, former junior middleweight champion, de Zone Broadcast or Contender winner. Do you have an opening statement?
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Speaker 1: I do, and I'm glad you asked Chris Mannix, I want your producer Adam to play my theme music since the single them Ile Weekend. I want the Sante Fernandez Volvo Hit It Evolver Volver at DO podcast.
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Speaker 2: Chris Mannix, ow bad your voices?
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Speaker 1: You know I have a high pitched voice like for certain music. I can actually sing pretty good, like like Prince.
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Speaker 2: It's like comparing yourself favorably to Prince.
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Speaker 1: Now, okay, anyone with a high pitched voice beg's yeah, I got it all right.
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Speaker 2: Well let's stick with the mediocre boxing analysis, shall we. So let's talk. Let's talk about what we have this weekend, because it is a massive weekend, Canelo Alvarez taking on high made Mongia in Vegas. We're recording this on Tuesday, just before we head to Vegas. It's gonna be there all week ser to.
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Speaker 1: You all week all weekend, just music to my ears Tuesday through Sunday. The let table doesn't know what's coming.
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Speaker 2: The most excited I've ever seeing you has been when you were told about a few weeks ago that you could come to New York on Tuesday for Ryan Garcia Devin Haney fight week, and that you could come to Vegas on Tuesday for Kenilo mung No.
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Speaker 1: I've been giddy for some time, mannex. I mean when they told us we were doing Canelo, I was lit. I lit up like a Christmas tree. Then they told us we're doing Subril Matias in Puerto Rico.
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Speaker 2: I said, man, there Tuesday for that.
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Speaker 1: No, I doubt that. But no, it's been a great run. I mean, boxing is winning right now, Forget forget the fact that you know we're doing these great shows for his own Just boxing is winning right now all over the place.
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Speaker 2: It's incredible, and the biggest event is where we're gonna begin searching Mike Tyson, Jacob.
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Speaker 1: Oh Man, Canelo, Canelo, Mungia No.
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Speaker 2: We begin with the big news this week surrounding Mike Tyson Jake Paul, which is going to take place July twentieth on Netflix at AT and T Stadium in Dallas. We have some rules, Sergio for the Tyson Paul event. It is going to be an official pro fight, a sanction pro bout, meaning that the result will go on the records of both these guys. Jake Paul fought last year. Mike Tyson has not fought one of these since two thousand and five. It will be eight two minute rounds. They will fight with fourteen ounce gloves. There will be no headgear. Your reaction to the rules for Tyson Paul.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's not a real fight. It's not a real fight. If you're fighting with fourteen ouns gloves, that's sparring. One. If you are fighting a man that's gonna be fifty eight years old, that's not a real fight. I mean, you're fighting a senior citizen. If you're fighting with your rules in two minutes, that's not a real fight. I mean two minutes, no head of your out. That doesn't make sense a big it's it's a glorified sparring session. And it's a money grab. It's a market it's marketing at its finest. So I gotta give them credit, but no, it is not a real fight. So no matter how you try to twist and turn this, this is not a real, uh sanctioned fight. And well it isn't. And I don't want I don't want to. I don't want to get into the commission and shame on them. That's another thing. It's just how do you how do you call this a real fight? And it's not a real fight. It's a real event, an event that I give credit to Jake Paul and Mike Tyson. They're gonna make a killing great for them, but it don't don't minimize what we do in the rings as champions and and real boxing and what Mike did for so many years. Jake Paul's not doing that.
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Speaker 2: Well, look what it's gonna look like. It's gonna look a lot like the Roy Jones Mike Tyson fight because that fight was I believe eight two minute rounds. That fight had bigger gloves, that was not an official fight, didn't have official scoring by the state of California. This one will have official scoring by the State of Texas. But I think it's gonna look a lot like that. I don't love it that it's going on Mike's record. Like, let's say that Mike, at fifty eight years old, loses to Jake Paul, which I think is definitely possible, right, Like, if he doesn't knock him out in the first round, this could go badly for Mike Tyson. I don't need to see the last name on Mike Tyson's professional box wreck being Jake Paul by decision or something to that effect. That's the only thing about this that disappoints me. I'm really surprised, frankly that the Texas Commission decided to sanction this as a pro fight. I mean, I think I read somewhere We've never had this big and age gap in a professional fight. It's thirty thirty one years between these two guys.
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Speaker 1: That is exactly my point. That's why I started. You can't make this a real fight if you're fighting with oversized gloves, undersized time, because it's not three minutes unless they're women. But they're not women that I know of. And you're fighting up senior citizen Chris Mannox. That's not cool, man, and you know, yeah, you touch on a good point. How embarrassing is it for the legacy of Mike Tyson, not only to get knocked out by guys like Kevin McBride who shouldn't even hold your jockstrap, but now Jake Paul, Jake Paul. Credit to Jake Paul. He's a marketing genius. I'll say it again. This man is making a killing using his name and is following in social media. But now he's now he's he he's coming into a field where it's disrespectful to an icon. Mike Tyson's an icon. He's an iconoclast, and he's I'm sure that's the word.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he's using it appropriately.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's Mike Tyson. Everybody and their grandma knows Mike Tyson, and everybody in their grandma knows Jake Paul. But the difference is one is respected for something that only few men in the world can do, and the other ones not respected.
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Speaker 2: He's just followed well. I think Jake Paul's earned some respect over the years, haven't you Like some of the guys He's fought, fighting real fights, taking his training much more serious than other influencers do.
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Speaker 1: Respect is a strong word. I don't respect him as a fighter. I respect him as a hustler and a businessman, and I respect his passion for boxing. Yes, I do that.
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Speaker 2: We have a lot of time to talk about this in the future. But like, how do you think this fight goes now that you know the rules for it?
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Speaker 1: Uh, the same way that I told you it was gonna go earlier. I think Jake Paul's gonna beat an old man. He's gonna beat down an old man. It's not that Mike Tyson can fight. It's not that he still can't punch hard. It's that he has no he has no legs, he has no agility. Once that first round is gone, once those first two minutes, that's it, he's done. That's all he has. And when he misses, he's gonna fall off balance. It's only gonna take a glancing shot to the side of the head to make Mike feel all of those fifty eight years old. It's gonna be embarrassing. We're all gonna be embarrassed after that fight is done. And then of course you're gonna see Jake Paul on the top rope, you know, celebrating like he just knocked out Mike Tyson in his prime. It's ridiculous and it's utterly embarrassing.
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Speaker 2: I think for the first round or two there's gonna be a lot of intrigue in how that could play out, because I think punch for punch, Mike Tyson is still a bigger puncher than Jake Paul. And look we saw in the Roy Jones fight, which is four years ago, when he winds up and throws, he can still land a decent shot. So I do think it's gonna go Jake Paul's way because the age gap is so significant, and Jake is not some He's not some novice boxer anymore. He's far more developed than some of these other influences. But first couple of rounds, Sergio, I can get excited. I get behind it a little bit, can't you.
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Speaker 1: No, I mean, I'm sure Babe Ruth can still hit a home run and Ruth's dead. Wake him up from the dead.
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Speaker 2: No, that's not gonna happen. Before we move on, what are the piece of breaking news that actually broke last night? We saw Turkey Alaschk, the Saudi official that is behind Saudi Arabia's investment into boxing, announced that Jared Anderson is going to fight Deontay Wilder on August third, a card that is already massive. Now, this is all contingent on Deontay Wilder getting through what is really a fifty to fifty fight with Jean Juleai on June first, and you know, the idea that Deontay Wilder will turn around in two months and fight Jared Anderson seems a little I'm skeptical a little bit of that, but I love the idea. You know, Jared Anderson one of the rising stars in US boxing, Deontay Wilder kind of the last big heavyweight star in US boxing going at it and kind of a crossroads. I mean, I love the idea of that fight.
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Speaker 1: I'm happy for Jared Anderson. He's getting a pay day, he's getting some recognition. He's gonna be in there with one of the hardest punchers ever in boxing a formal world champion. Uh. Great for Jared Evans Anderson. I just think it's not gonna be a good fight. For Stylistically, it's not gonna be a good fight. Anderson's a boxer puncher, while there's a puncher. He wasn't a boxer like he tried to prove to everybody in his last fight. Stylistically, it's not gonna be a pretty fight. Man, even though the names sound good, it's not gonna be like the real fight in that event, and that's Tim Zuo. I'm telling you Tim Zuo, and.
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Speaker 2: Virtually we're into that. But I do think that's the real one here, all right. Why do you think Anderson versus Wilder is not because aesthetically pleasing fight. I mean, it's two big punchers.
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Speaker 1: It's two big punchers. I just Wilder didn't look good in his last fight, and I think I think he's gonna still try to do that off the ayahuasca. At this point of his career. I don't think Wilder is looking to knock anyone out anymore. He's looking to win fights through boxing, and he's he does what fighters do after he does what punchers do after they get knocked out, they try to become more boxers to extend their career and continue you know, making uh money. Uh. And then what boxers become when they get older is punchers because they don't have the legs to do what they used to do. So it's a it's a vice versa when when when when you know you get older as as a fighter. So I think that's what's happening here. While there's not gonna be the puncher. He looked awful trying to box, and Anderson is a little bit of both, but he doesn't take chances either. I just don't think it's gonna be an appealing fight for fans, But name wise, sign me up.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't disagree more about it not being appealing for fans. Look, deanty Wada looked like crap against Joseph.
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Speaker 1: There we go made my point.
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Speaker 2: Buddy's got a chance against Jean Jelay to look good because Jean Jelai is gonna be there. He's very hittable. That's a fight Deonta could win by knockout. If he does that, he gets a lot of his momentum back. And Jared Anderson he handed I think only what two of his fights have gone to a decision. That's and look, we're not even talking about that being the main event. That's probably like the third fight.
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Speaker 1: And that's why it's great that that's the reason here. I mean, you're you're stacking up, you're loading up on the undercard. That's the reason this is one of the greatest cards of all time nineteen nineties. Great. So yes, I'm excited about that. And and credit and a lot of credit to his excellency for putting up the money to do this, and I'm so happy decided to do it in La Yeah, you know, that's that's incredible, you know, taking it out of Saudi but still Saudi backed. People know this is a Saudi event, and it's it's it's a you know, it's all provided by Turkey A Lashk And credit to him, credit to you know, the fans for supporting it and all the promoters who came together to work together, because that's what we need in boxing.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a great atmosphere inside that venue on August third, because you're gonna have you will choose from a lot of different fan bases, right like you know, Isak Cruz has a lot of fans. Terence Crawford has a lot of fans. Deontay Wilder has a lot of fans. Andy Ruiz Southern California guy, he's got a lot of fans. You're I think it's what twenty two thousand that can fit into that venue. I think we'll sell that out pretty quickly, you know, once the tickets are are widely available. So I love that fight as as part of the cart if if Wildly gets through Zang, because wild they could also get knocked out by Zag. Like Dang has got real pop at heavyweight. I mean he dropped Joseph Parker twice with shots that didn't even look like they were that hard, like he just hit him clean. And if Zang lends those kinds of shots on Wilder, you can drop and knock out Wilder as well. So we'll see what happens in that fight. You mentioned Virgil Ortiz and Tim Zuo. Virgil just this past weekend coming off a just one sided destruction of Thomas delomet Lands, a body shot to the mid section of Delrimee that dropped him in the same way that Bernard Hopkins dropped Oscar de la Hoya. That some other great body shots have landed just a picture perfect body shot, ser Joe. We have seen Virgil Ortiz now in two fights above one hundred and forty seven pounds in January against Frederick Lawson and now recently against Thomas Delome. Both those guys are not natural junior middleweights. On August third, he is going to take on effectively a career long junior middleweight who is arguably the top guy in the one hundred and fifty four pound division. I know he lost his last fight, but that had as much to do with a cut on his head as it did with his performance in the ring. So is Virgil Ortiz at this stage ready for a tim Zo.
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Speaker 1: He's ready for tim Zoo. I just think it's going to be a fifty to fifty fight where whoever lands first is going to have the advantage. This fight does not go the distance. I think everyone knows that, and I repeat, this fight will not go the distance. Both men, I will predict, will get hurt, maybe both will go down. This will be a good old haggler hearns. Three fight, three round fight. That's what I'm predicting here. There is no way these guys don't just go to war from the beginning, because stylistically, that's all they know. We know, Virgil Ortiz just goes forward, tries to knock you out, and he loads up on every punch. Tim Zoo, on the other hand, he's like his dad. You know, he'll mix it up with you, but he would rather be on the outside trying to land that straight left right hand. They have one of the most beautiful, well timed straight right hands in boxing. That's the reason my trainer, Dean used to love Costa Zoo. He used to tell me to watch Costa Zoo tapes because you know, we fat urn him. Forrest, Costa Zoo beat him and the amateurs. Costa Zoo would have beaten Oscar de la Hoya because of that right hand. It was laser like. It was incredible. The problem with Zoo is he he had this weird kind of centaur technique where he kept his chin up. You know, he was always looking a punch, and they have such great timing that he got away with his timing. But once that guy breaks that distance, then they get in trouble with their technique. So I can see this being a type of fight where Virgil Ortiz takes advantage of that of that lack of technique and the chin being exposed, dropping hurting someone like Zoo and then going after the kill, then Zoo dropping and hurting Virgil Ortiz. It's gonna be a It's good this fight comes down who takes a better punch. And I said that with Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney, and it was true who takes a better punch? Both men were hurt. Ultimately, Hany Hani Uh, you know, lacked the resistance, Sir, who takes a better punch? And I think that's gonna be Virgil Ortiz. I'll credit him.
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Speaker 2: So two years ago, I probably would have agreed with you, because that was the fight that Tim Zu got dropped in the first round by Terrell Kochet. Though since then I have seen measurable improvement from Tim Zuo against Tony Harrison, who wiped out against Carlosacampo, who he wiped out against Brian Mendoza, a tough guy, big puncher, and Zoo went the distance with him, like beat him up over twelve rounds. The Fandora fight, I think we both agree that would have gone a different way had that cut not happened two rounds in Zoo looked like he was ready to dominate. Uh so, I think Zoo is a much better fighter than the guy you're kind of referencing, didn't.
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Speaker 1: I get you that he has better technique and a better right hand, and normally he passes the eye test. I would go for him normally.
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Speaker 2: Normally you're saying, but I think he's I don't think he keeps his chin up as much as you seem to think, like, I don't think he does that.
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Speaker 1: Watch him fight.
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Speaker 2: He fights like I have watched a fight against him a couple of times.
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Speaker 1: Like he fights exactly like is that even pauses nose?
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Speaker 2: I mean that, betweeah.
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Speaker 1: He keeps his hands really high, and when he's in control, he's unbeatable. The problem is once he starts mixing it up, then he starts opening up his his his his arms, and then he exposes his chin a little bit too high. He fights like a centaur.
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, So you don't think it's too much too soon? Then for Virgelartis, it's kind of what I'm getting at.
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Speaker 1: No, no way. I mean, I think the Kavaloskis fight prepared him for this. If if if he would have fought Tim Zoo before Kavloskis, then I would have easily picked Zoo for this fight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, even though the two guys he's faced at one fifty four or I guess above one fifty four, he's been like a one to fifty five fifty six the last couple of fights. Neither one of those guys is junior midlewaight, so he has never really faced true junior middlewaight power at this point. That's my biggest concern coming in that. You know, yes, at welterweight he faced some decent guys, most notably Kvaloscas, who gave him some trouble you know, came close to knocking him down early in that fight. At junior middleweight and really middleweight, he's fighting guys that are career long one forty sevens forties. Even for Thomas Delormet. I think that's the big question I have coming in. Does is he able to be the same aggressive fighter when you've got junior middleweight power coming back?
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Speaker 1: He knows no other way, and that's the reason this fight won't last long. Because Virgil Ortiz is a natural born fighter. He's not gonna be on the back foot boxing trying to you know, I jab you and go for the distance. That's not his temperament. We haven't seen it. At least. He only knows one way destruction and tim Zoo knows two ways, destruction and survival. And that's the reason I think. You know, when when he starts boxing backwards, he can make it difficult for Virgil. But I just think Virgil takes a better, better punch in my opinion.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're gonna find out because both it's gonna be bombs away both those guys. Virgil said after the fight in the rings say get ready for a war. Basically, I think.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna now if if tim Zu takes that power and beats Virgil or T's we have a new star in boxing.
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Speaker 2: That I'm saying, Where did this fight one way or the other's new star in boxing?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, but it's always it's always a little bit different when you're dealing with like an Australian. He has a whole country behind him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but tim Zu and look, tim Zu even put aside Australia was starting to build his name more in the US. That Keith Thurman fight was supposed to be the big coming out party for tim Zu where he got that name on his resume, I think if he beats Virgil Ortiz, maybe not a pay per view guy, but getting close to it. And I think Virgil Ortiz, who was right there as well on the cusp at welterweight, didn't quite get that world title shot, but undefeated all knockouts, I think he's a superstar if he wins. And by the way, this is easily be a fight that could be repeated. We could want to see this again a second time, a third time, just like we've been talking about.
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Speaker 1: Who's gonna who's gonna put up money for the remagmatics.
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Speaker 2: I don't think the Saudi's going anywhere. By the way, I hope that if Tim Zu and Virgil Lootiz wanted to run it back, that's a main event that you could make with a lesser undercard, like you could do that fight again, no question about it. You couldn't do it in this kind of mega event, but you could certainly do that fight one more time. And I hope that, you know, we get to see that at some point down the line. All right, I want to talk about the Jose Ramirez fight this past weekend. Jose Ramirez making his debut with Golden Boy, former Unified champion fight his fights Rantis Partello me was off for about thirteen months. I think you saw some ring ross on Ramirez early on, got clipped with a bunch of left hands in the first four rounds before settling down, wound up winning a wide decision. How would you grade the performance of Jose Ramirez last week?
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Speaker 1: His performance inside the ring I would say is probably a C plus, and that's being generous. But his effort and his resilience and his strength and the whole event, I will I will give it a. I would give it as honestly, I really I like seeing guys go through fire. Because you know he's a former champion. We know he could take a punch. He took it from Josh Taylor that was on the undisputed championship level. That's his only loss, so there's no shame there. But when you have an older former champion, thirty eight year old Ramsis Bartolomy, rocking you like he did, then it's signs for concern, all right. So it's not just in activity. It signs for concern here. Does he really wanted? Is he's still hungry? Is he's still preparing like he used to. These are all signs. So it wasn't a good performance as far as fighting, it was a It was a great reminder of the will and the resiliency has as as a as a man and as a fighter. So I just think I'm gonna I'm gonna be a little bit more. I want to test him in his next fight. I want to see how he looks in his next fight. If he looks up par again, then I think we've seen the best Jose Ramirez at thirty one years old. But if not, then I just think it was one of those inactive stretches that a boxer goes through. Believe me, I'm the king of inactivity. All my worst performances were after long stretches, So I'll give him pass well.
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Speaker 2: I first want to give credit to Barthelemy, who was a lot more competitive than I thought he was going to be. I mean, I have watched a lot of Rancis Barthelemy over the years, fought a bunch of times on showtimes, A two time champion at one, thirty one thirty five, I've not always found his fights to be aesthetically pleasing. I don't think he is a great television fighter, but he came to fight early on. In this fight. That left hand of his was real, the power behind it was real, and just like with Devin Haney, Sergio Ramirez couldn't get out of the way of it, like over and over again. To the point we're in the third round, I thought there was a realistic shot that Ramira is going to get knocked out. You know, he looked like he was knocked down. I mean, I've watched it a bunch of times since then. I stand by my original comments that should have been a knockdown. But either way, he was wobbled and he was hurt. To Ramirez his credit, he was able to do what Devin Haney couldn't. He adjusted, he kept that right hand up, he avoided that straight left, He was able to slip it, move, duck under it, do all the things that Devin couldn't. Now, going up against a different fighter, different level of speed, that certainly is a factor. But I give him credit for settling down and continuing the attack. And I thought he won nine of the twelve rounds clean in this fight, so I'd probably give him a be as far as as far from grade c plus b. I I think I think the way he shook off that ring rust was impressive. I mean, thirteen months off two fights really in the last three years. I think that had a significant impact on the way he fought early on.
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Speaker 1: I did, and I don't want to see him inactive like that ever. Again. I just think if you know, there's a there's a lot of career left in Ramirez and behind Golden Boy. You know, this was his debut. He wanted to shine. He had the house filled. You know. That's the thing about fighting in Fresno. How many times he fought there, what eight eight times?
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Speaker 2: It's saved mar I think eleven overall, and that was a record crowd.
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Speaker 1: That's my point. It was an incredible night. So credit to Rick Maridgian, his manager, always taking him there. He has something there that that that he should never go anywhere else.
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Speaker 2: Well, yes he should, because there's bigger live.
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Speaker 1: Not if you're the A side. Now, if you're gonna be they're gonna be going to fight another champion, then yeah, you have no choice.
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Speaker 2: No, you treat it like Bud Crawford treats Omaha. You go back there every so often, but you take your bigger events to New York Las Vegas where they have bigger site. Think I think charge more for tickets.
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Speaker 1: I think his promoter, Golden Borer, will disagree. They're gonna be keeping still agree after after what we just witnessed in Fresno. I mean it was crowded, it was live, the fans loved it. He's gonna he sells a lot of tickets there. So either they're Vegas, I can't see anywhere else.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, by all means, do fights on the level of Rancis barthelomy in in central California. But if you wind up in a world title opportunity with like super Al Mattias or against Taffy will Lopez, you go to New York City, Sergio, you go to New York City where they sell tickets at a lot higher prices than they were selling in Fresno.
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Speaker 1: Oh, you're talking about t Femal Lopez. Okay, yes, that one.
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Speaker 2: But even on lesser scale. And this brings me to the next point about what is next for Jose Ramirez because afterwards Oscar de la Hoya said he probably needs one more fight before he's ready for a championship level fight. So you know, this Arnold Barboza that's out there ranked number one by the WBO, Regis Progray is out there. That's a makeable fight. Golden Boy and Mattroum a lot of talent at one forty right now on that kind of B level that Ramirez could make. Who's someone you want to see him in with in his next fight?
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Speaker 1: Well, considering he looked great and he was shaking off Cole Webbs, I don't want to see him in with a HAINI. I don't want to see him in against a Ryan Garcia or any of the top dogs. I want to see him in against a top contender or a former champion. So either Rejas Progra because stylistically that that just makes sense both of them are there in front of each other, or Ernold Barbosa, undefeated guy who's willing to take on all comers, wants to fight the absolute best. Give him an opportunity with a former champion in Romerez, perfect, perfect opportunity for both to shine and then get to the next level. So give me Barbosa on a contender level, give me a Regis program a former champion level.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you're Golden Boy, I mean, does Golden Boy want to make they just signed both these guys. Do they want to put him in with each other right away? That would be the question I have. I actually like the fight because I think that's kind of a not exactly winner go home, but win and you're in the world title picture. Lose and you're probably out of it for at least another year or so. And I like that fight. It's competitive fight. I think it's more a makeable fight too, because for a long time, Ramirez and Barboza have the same manager. From what I was told, Rick Mariggian and Barboza if had a falling out, they're not working together anymore. Now that's a much more makeable fight if someone in the middle is not kind of throwing up roadblocks, so to speak. So I like that fight. Both top five in the WBO, the winner kind of has a mandate to fight to a FEMO for that belt. I think that's the right fight for him next. And you could do that, like I'd probably do that more in Los Angeles where you can charge more for tickets. Maybe do it in Vegas, charge more for tickets, get a sight feed. But if you want to do that fight in cents.
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Speaker 1: No baby, I see it right now, Josse Carlos Romidez versus Arnold Barbarous?
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Speaker 2: Would Barbosa want to go there?
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Speaker 1: Save Mart Center, Fresnel, California.
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Speaker 2: I would Barbosa want to go there?
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Speaker 1: I already told you, Look at all the fans, look at all the people.
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Speaker 2: Money is what matters.
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Speaker 1: You know this.
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Speaker 2: Why do I have to argue with the former fighter about where the most money is. You have fought in Vegas, you have fought in Texas, you have fought in commerce casino in California.
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Speaker 1: I've never fed a commerce casino.
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Speaker 2: What is the kid? What the casino is in California?
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Speaker 1: What wasn't a casino? It is quiet cannon quit.
00:27:44
Speaker 2: It's the same thing.
00:27:44
Speaker 1: It's not a casino, it's a.
00:27:46
Speaker 2: It's also a casino.
00:27:47
Speaker 1: No, it's not all right. You didn't grow up in East La. It's not a casino. Nip nim nuts, nit wit.
00:27:53
Speaker 2: I think you nit with but I think numb nuts stuck in the middle. Either way, you know that ticket price is very right. They're a little different in Qui can than they are in Vegas or even in Texas. I'm just saying, if you're Barbosa, you want to make the most money. You don't need to do it in front of fifteen thousand fans that are all gonna be against you, like, why would you do it? But that's the right fight. Regis pro Gray or Arnold Barbosa August September of this year. Get him back in the ring and then look, he's top five, he's in that position to fight Taffy Malopez.
00:28:26
Speaker 1: Who knows Chris Maybe uh Turkey Ala Chic is a Arnold Barbosa fan.
00:28:31
Speaker 2: Maybe wants to put on a Barbosa fight.
00:28:33
Speaker 1: There you go. Maybe he'll put up the money, I guess, and everyone will shut you up.
00:28:37
Speaker 2: Weird?
00:28:38
Speaker 1: Do you do?
00:28:38
Speaker 2: You have an issue? Like we talked at length with Ramirez before the fight, and it was clear that the last few months, last six months, eight months, have really taken a toll on him, you know, the process of extracting himself from top rank, the process of finding a new promoter, having a layoff of about thirteen months. It was clear from talking to him that it took a lot out of him. That being said, like he left top rank and now he's still looking for that fight with Teafi Ma Lopez. I would imagine it got a lot harder to make that fight happen. He does have an option to maybe fight Mattias because Mattroom is aligned with his own But Mattias, we know he's got other plans. He's got a fight coming up against Limparo, maybe a mandatory against Richard and Hitchins. Isa Cruz, I don't know how you make that fight happen if you're Jose Ramirez. And what am I missing there? The Devin Haynes. He's not going to fight him, at least not for the rest of this year. So I just think Ramirez is in a tough spot in terms of making a world title fight over the next year year and a half, which he says is what he's looking for.
00:29:48
Speaker 1: Every fighter, you know, once they transition from from former champion to you know, two time champion or looking to become a two time champion, normally at that stage career, like in your early thirties, you're gonna move promoters because you've already you've already succeeded, and and and kind of they did everything they can for you. I mean, look look at who left top rank and they split amicably. Miguel Coto left top rank after they did an amazing job. Austin de Laoya left uh top rank after they did an amazing job. Floyd Mayweather left Top Rank after amazing So they do. They're the best promoter in the business as far as making a champion and protecting them and moving them the right way. But then once that fighter, that champion keeps that zero and builds that name and it becomes a free agent, then he goes into the market, you know, and he goes wherever the best money is. And that's exactly what what all champions should do. It's it's it's just a ride of passage. I think Top Rank understands that they made their money. They made their money. They they they did their job, and now it's time for the fighter to branch out.
00:30:52
Speaker 2: And they did offer Rameiras two million dollars to fight ta Fimo. That's not nothing like. That's a real offer to fight for a world title. That's a winnable fight too for Amira. I mean, Taffmo was really good, but we've seen Taffimo look great and we've seen him look very average. I think Ramirez could go into that fight believing he could win. I'm just saying, like I don't know what the pathway to Ramirez fighting for a world title is until like the summer of twenty twenty five.
00:31:14
Speaker 1: I don't think he's in a hurry to fight for a world title next. I think he's he's looking at longevity. The second chapter of his career.
00:31:19
Speaker 2: He's definitely looking a long jevity.
00:31:20
Speaker 1: He's thirty one years old, So yeah, that's what I would be doing at thirty one. I fought, you know, I was in my fourth chapter at thirty one, but I was still thinking a longevity and look, I fought seven more years. Man and Golden Boy was one of the promoters I fought with. I fought with top rank. I went all over the place. I bound, I bounced from promoter to promoter, and thank god, you know, I made really good money. PBC came around, I got another title shot. So you never know what's around the corner. You just got to stay optimistic and and know that there's several chapters in a boxer's book.
00:31:49
Speaker 2: And now you're trying to get into a room with UK to say, can you make more of Manfredo three? Just put up the cash.
00:31:57
Speaker 1: Either either that one, either that one. The trilogy with Manfredo or I'll do a side show with Jake Paul. Either way, I'm still open for a Chris Mannix.
00:32:03
Speaker 2: How many rounds would Jake Paul?
00:32:05
Speaker 1: Did you say I'll do eight minute two runs, I'll do a side show with him. Let's go ahead here or not?
00:32:12
Speaker 2: All right? So we're about a week and a half removed now from the Ryan Garcia Devin Haney fights. We've kind of moved on to the part of the story where we ask what's next for Ryan Garcia. I talked to Oscar de la Hoya on Fight Night this past weekend. He said he actually ran into Devin Haney running while Devin will while they live in the same community in Vegas. So Devon's already out there trying to shake off that loss, get back, get back into shape, but keep working towards his next goal. On social media, Oscar has been pretty negative about the rematch between Devon and Ryan, but in our conversation he said, look, he told Devin to relax, get some rest, bounce back. Maybe next year we can do that fight. So there is optimism. I think that we can get Hainey Garcia two at some point in twenty twenty five but Ryan's gonna want to fight before then, right, Like he's gonna want to do some kind of event before that. As you look at the landscape right now, what's the right fight. He's not gonna fight at junior welterweight anymore. Uh, maybe it's just a full fledged welterweight. Maybe it's somewhere in between. But what is the right fight for Ryan Garson?
00:33:17
Speaker 1: Well, he's gonna be wanting to fight a welterweight, right or some catch weight.
00:33:21
Speaker 2: Around Yeah, I would say.
00:33:23
Speaker 1: Forty seven, Okay, So then let's take the weight in mind. He's gonna fight a welterweight. He's gonna want to fight someone in the Golden Boys stable. And it's not gonna be a big fight, you know, a big name, because there's nothing but killers that win forty It's certainly he's not gonna be east side Cruz because that'll just be suicide.
00:33:38
Speaker 2: So those dad kind of said, you see, his dad says a lot about Pitpoll.
00:33:42
Speaker 1: That dad says a lot of things. I don't think they're gonna want to make that fight next. I think they're gonna want to do after this mega event, a big event that he had with Devan Hainey. Yes, they would love that rematch, but we know how promoters it's very hard to get, you know, Eddie Hern and Delahoy and Barbariam and all these promoters in a room. Let's just for serious money. So yes, I don't think Haney rematches next, even though I would love to see that fight. I think it's gonna be just someone in the Golden Boys stable. It's probably gonna be a stay busy fight with someone like Alexis Rocha. I'll be honest with you. It's gonna be something. It's gonna be something where it's not gonna be a mega fight. It's gonna be a stay busy fight. Uh. Ryan Garcia will still uh you know, make not eight million dollars, but it will still make you know, a few million dollars fighting Alexis Rocha. You put it in LA it's gonna be a popular ticket seller. Roacha sells a lot of tickets. You know, Ryan Garcia fills the house. That probably will make perfect sense in a crypto arena, you know some some you know some La Colisseum, the Forum. It'll do great. So I think that's a good stay busy fight until Hani comes around or he faces one of the big dogs, that one forty.
00:34:44
Speaker 2: What do you think of the buzz about Ryan against Errol Spence.
00:34:50
Speaker 1: I like, I like the Derek James aspect to it. Now. I like that blood, a little bad blood there. I like the way that Ryan Garcia he's really crazy like a fox Man. Just when you think he's crazy, he's smart. So maybe he sees something in Spence.
00:35:04
Speaker 2: But do you think he's big enough to fight?
00:35:06
Speaker 1: Yes, this kid, this kid fills up nicely. He has the height and the soldiers and I'm telling you he looked muscular, so yes, he can carry one fifty four. Uh. Spence has already been beaten down pretty badly twice twice Manx, once by Crawford, the other time by Ferrari or Lamborghini whatever was a car accident.
00:35:30
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the fighters.
00:35:32
Speaker 1: Two bad beatings on his body. You know, he hasn't been the same. So yeah, it's it's it's it's prime picking for Ryan Garcia. So that's what I'm saying. He's maybe crazy and appears like a lunatic and says some crazy stuff, but he is damn damn smart, just just like a marketing Genie is just like Jake Paul. He's kind of like that, but he picks the right style matchup to look good against and it's and it's ah and it's an opponent where people can respect and the truth.
00:36:00
Speaker 2: Nel Spence, I could see Golden Boy going back to the Roly Romero well for this next fight.
00:36:06
Speaker 1: One more thing, one more thing to add on top of that. Put that fight in Texas. How incredible would that fight be?
00:36:12
Speaker 2: The great atmosphere.
00:36:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll sell fifty thousand.
00:36:14
Speaker 2: I mean they probably do it in Vegas, though there's more there's more money in Vegas.
00:36:17
Speaker 1: I get it. But I'm just saying, if you do it where they fought Mikey Garcia and Cowboys Stadium, fifty thousand easily can show up there. But yeah, that's a Vegas fight.
00:36:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about fifty thousand. I think you can get twenty five thirty thousand potentially, But look, it's a good fight. I do think that Roly Romero is going to be an option there really. Of course, the shines come off to him after getting beat up by Isa Cruz, but you can say, hey, we're going to a new weight class. You know that Roly would sell a fight like he would jump up a down and shove each other at pres conference. It would be wild. It'd be a pretty wild scene. So I could see that be considered internally at Golden Boy. But the Spence fight is intriguing, Like if Ryan feels like he can make one fifty four and still be as fast, as strong, as powerful as he's been at one thirty five, and I think that's an fight, you know in Spence. Look, Spence got a ring and challenge Sebastian Fandora, but we know that's not going to happen at least December of this year at the very earliest. If Fandora decides to give him, give Spence that opportunity, So I could see that that that fight potentially happening. Let me ask you though about the the Derek James stuff that broke this past week. You know, Derek of course is looking for a bigger piece of the Errol Spence pie. He was paid three hundred and fifty thousand dollars after the fight against against Terrence Crawford last year. Derek James in his lawsuit has said, look, we had an agreement for ten percent. I found out that Errol Spence made twenty five million dollars for that fight, so I want ten percent of that. I want two point five million as my feet. And in fact I found out as well, I'm paraphrasing Derek James, that he made more money to fight Danny Garcia than I thought, and more money to fight Mikey Garcia than I thought. So Derk James looking for backpay as well as part of this, where do you stand on that? As someone that you know fought for limiting money early in your career, fought for more money a little bit later, where do you stand on what a trainer is owed in these situations?
00:38:18
Speaker 1: And I had issues like that in myself. And it wasn't twenty five million, you know, it's not even It was a lot less, But still I had issues with that too, because you know, whenever a boxer and a trainer link up their kids, their teenagers, it's a handshake deal, man. So when they turn pros, when they turn professional, it's still a handshake deal. So it all comes down to knowing who you did business with. But once money, tens of millions of dollars gets involved, then character and friendship and business and all that goes out the window. Man. That's when you need to have, you know, a contract laid out. You know, if you make a certain amount of money, I make this percentage. If you pass and exceed that, I'm of money, then just give me a flat fee. Look at what happened to Triple G when he got that big money. Abel Sanchez, you know, disappeared. So many fighters have come to this cross row with their trainer once they make tens of millions of dollars. And the ones that stick around, you know, the Canelos, can we never heard of. Canelo and Adie Reinoso have issues over money. And that's because it comes down to character, and it comes down to to friendship before the business. Certain fighters have that and certain fighters don't. So I don't know what to tell you their mannics. It's it's it's a it's a tricky thing because I get I get where Aerol Spence is coming from as a fighter, but I feel bad and I respect where Derek James is coming from. It's a fine line and and and and they should have some paperwork.
00:39:46
Speaker 2: I think there's a middle ground here where I think er dark James is uh deserves more than just the three and fifty thousand that he was paid, but deserves a lot less than two point fights.
00:39:56
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I would, I wouldn't. I would, I wouldn't have give him two part two point five million either.
00:40:01
Speaker 2: It should be a flat fee like Oscar del Hoya with his trainers over the years, negotiated a flat fee. Freddie Roach and Manipackrick negotiate flat fees like that's the mistake that was made, you know, expecting the ten percent rule that you had an oral agreement on when he was fighting for twenty five hundred dollars coming out of the Olympics to still be in place when he's fighting for twenty five million dollars, you know, against Terrence Crawford in the biggest fight of the year. So look, I don't think Derek James is gonna win this because you don't win on a handshake agreement. You don't win on an oral agreement. And by the letter of their agreement, technically, Errol Spence did pay him the ten percent of the two point five million he was guaranteed in that fight. That was the bare minimum that he was going to make. Of course, he made way more twenty five million plus to fight Terrence Crawford. But I don't think he's gonna win that argument. Again, I don't think he should win. I mean, the fighters, they're the ones in the ring, they're the one Errol Spence took the beating that night, not Derek James. Right, not to say dark James didn't put the work in to help prepare Aero Spence for that fight. But you know, whether it's five hundred thousand, seven hundred and fifty thousand, maybe even even million dollars off off that that uh, that purse, maybe that's what he's over two point five million, Sergio, that feels like a.
00:41:15
Speaker 1: Lot that I would have I would have given uh Derrick James at least one million, and and that that's a damn good, you know package. That's a bit aside from the ten percent that was uh uh that was guaranteed and and and agreed upon.
00:41:30
Speaker 2: Be Canelo was not paying Eddie Renoso at ten.
00:41:32
Speaker 1: Per way, no way, not paying Anthony Anthony Josh Anthony Josh Wayne paying you know his trainers that that money either whenever you whenever you cross that that line of like real serious big money, which which hasn't always been the case. You know, these fighters are making obscenes amount of money that's never been seen before. So now when they finally hit that that type of money, they're like, WHOA, what do we do? And then what do you do? You want to hold on to as much as possible bestly if you lost that fight, because if you would have won, it's like, all right, I got another big fight coming, I got another twenty million dollar paycheck. But when you lose like Galofkin, like Spence, like pak yall, then you start thinking, oh, that might be my last one. Let me hold on to all. Yeah.
00:42:13
Speaker 2: But I don't even know about that because the way Derek James has framed it is that he wasn't getting paid the right amount for the other Paperview fights that he won.
00:42:20
Speaker 1: I just hope I don't hear Derek James having the same issue with Ryan Garcia coming up.
00:42:25
Speaker 2: Uh, I think it, So tell me with think about that's going to be the next one. Yeah, But I think it's a lot different when you are taking on an established star, right, Like if you like you were with your trainer from day one. Eerl and Derek James are together from day one. It was ten percent back then when ten percent really wasn't a lot of money. When you go to a new trainer, I would bet there's a discussion to be had about how much you're getting paid. You're not just assuming. If you're Ben Davison, you're getting ten percent of everything. Anthony Joshua make surprise on fight night, You'll be you think that they believe that going in.
00:42:57
Speaker 1: You'll be surprised because once once a fight made a name for himself and he's making all that money, and he's looking for a new trainer. That trainer welcomes a cash cow like that, welcomes in and he'll be glad he's getting to get Absolutely.
00:43:10
Speaker 2: You think Ben Davison believe he's getting ten percent of everything Anthony Joshua was getting. I don't believe that for a split second. Nor do I believe that James thought he was getting ten percent of everything that gets.
00:43:19
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ten percent when it comes to Anthony Joshua money or or Canelo or.
00:43:24
Speaker 2: I'm curious how Canelo does it.
00:43:26
Speaker 1: But five percent is still a lot of money, present a lot of money.
00:43:29
Speaker 2: But you've never heard any disagreement between Canelo and his team about how much they're getting paid. I mean they've been together from day one. It was Cheppo Renoso, Eddie Renos. So it seems like they're all on the same page with this stuff.
00:43:39
Speaker 1: That's character manics got oct there and that man has it. Canelo has a lot.
00:43:43
Speaker 2: Was stuck with his trainers. I actually was one of those people advocating for a training change back in twenty thirteen when Canelo got smoked by Floyd Mayweather. I thought, you're.
00:43:51
Speaker 1: Always you're always asking people to change trainers. I'm always on one that happening to you in your place. He said the exact same thing when Joshua, you know, lost to Ruiz he said the exact same thing.
00:44:00
Speaker 2: No, you weren't right, but okay, they made the change eventually.
00:44:04
Speaker 1: And why is he still bouncing around from trainer to trainer.
00:44:06
Speaker 2: It seems like he's found some with Ben Davison now though.
00:44:08
Speaker 1: Everyone finds something with Ben Davison, one of the best in the world.
00:44:11
Speaker 2: I agree, last thing, we are going to be head to DIVA.
00:44:14
Speaker 1: We finished here, man, this is overtime already.
00:44:15
Speaker 2: It's not overtime.
00:44:17
Speaker 1: It's like six questions already. You told me just three or four.
00:44:20
Speaker 2: We're going to the airport together. What do you want to do with something?
00:44:22
Speaker 1: This is over.
00:44:23
Speaker 2: We're gonna sit on or ask for twenty five minutes before we can leave for the airport. Would you just relax?
00:44:28
Speaker 1: Vegas weights, let's go come We can't get.
00:44:29
Speaker 2: Up there, Let's go. Come on, all right? Canelo against Mungia Saturday, de Own pay per view. Canlo is a big favorite, uh and understandably so. But the more I think about this fight, Sergio, the more of a chance I'm giving Himemongia. Maybe it's because we've seen the improbable happen a lot over the last few weeks, whether it is what Ryan did to Devin, what we just saw Rats Barthelomy almost due to uh uh, to Jose Ramirez. But we've got a good young fighter in him, Mungia that throws a lot of punches, going up against a once great world champion who maybe isn't as great as he used to be. I mean, that's I think that's fair to say. Is is this fight closer than people think it's gonna be? Because the perception is Canelo by brutal knockout, and maybe that happens, but that's the perception. Is this fight more competitive, do you think than people think.
00:45:26
Speaker 1: I'm glad you changed the words from closer to competitive because I was gonna say no, not closer, because it could still be a great and entertaining fight. But it's gonna be one sided. It's gonna be competitive, it's gonna be physical, it's it's gonna be a good old Mexican standoff. Man. I'm talking about Barrera Morales. I mean, I know it sounds like lunas or blasphemy, but that's how good of a chim Mungia has this. He's younger, he's fresher, he's bigger, he's probably stronger, and that's gonna play a part in this. Connelo doesn't take chances anymore. You said it, he's not the great fighter he once was, because man, he has sixty four fights. He's been fighting sase he was fifteen years old. Blah blah blah. All that goes out the window. You don't have the same engine that you once had. You have to fight differently. Mungia only has one engine. He has one gear, for God's sake, and that's forward to try to take your head off. So I would normally pick Canelo and by knockout here. But because because Mungia has that chin, and he's so big, and he's gonna hydrate bigger, and he's motivated, he has enough time to prepare and he's.
00:46:37
Speaker 2: Been groomed for this moment.
00:46:40
Speaker 1: Golden Boy Promotions and everyone around between Mugia has prepared him for this Canelo cash out. If Cannelo would have had him five fights ago, Canelo would have wiped the floor with am easing. But because Mungia has had the Derevin Chenkos and the confidence of knocking out a John Ryder who Canelo could have knocked out. Ignorance may be bliss man, and and and confidence may be soaring for Mungia. But I think this is a winnable fight in the closer. I guess the more I study, I'm with you, and I'm with that other crazy lunatic, Todd Grisham, who called it from the beginning. He was the only one that said I'm picking Mungia in this fight. He was only one, So he's picked Mungia back when we were in a I forget where we were, but yeah we did. Yeah, we did a round table and picked so the closer, I guess, yeah, man, I think Gia is gonna give a lot of issues to Canelo, but I still think Canelo gets them late. Canelo carries his power late, and even though he was struggling with a Keila plant, he was struggling with the covidlet. He finds that way to knock you out. And I think the similar thing happens here, only I think it happens maybe one round sooner in the tenth.
00:47:49
Speaker 2: So the changes that we've seen him Canelo in recent fights are twofold.
00:47:55
Speaker 1: One.
00:47:55
Speaker 2: He doesn't throw the same number of punches that he used to the numbers they backed up second defensively. Yeah, I see that clip on our social media, his own social media at the time of Canello avoiding shots. None of those clips are from recent fights, right, They're from Daniel Jacobs and what he did there and some of his earlier stuff against like Austin Trout and aris Landi Lara like where he slipped punches a lot. He rolled with punches, doesn't do that anymore kind of Parry's more eats them in his gloves. Is a different kind of defensive fighter at this stage of his career. Look, if this fight goes to a decision, I think is gonna win. I think his punch output is going to be vastly more significant than Canelo's. I can see him winning a decision if it gets there. But Mungia's chin is suspect Sergio and what it's suspect? He suspect No, It is because he gets hurt against lesser punchers. He has been hurt against Spiko Sullivan, he has been hurt against Sergei Dervin Schenko. He was hurt at times against John Ryder. You get hurt by those types of punchers, and then you go in with Canelo. Canelo hits like a mule, dude. Canelo hits the body, hits the skull. He hits like a mule. So my concern with Mgia is that he's gonna walk into a massive countershot at some point, the kind of countershot he can't take.
00:49:12
Speaker 1: I think Canelo uh beats him down to the body. I think I've seen Mugia hurt to the body too. I've seen him hurt to Darthaje. Him there with a Sullivan and Terrilla Johnson. Everyone's hurt, you know, rocked. I wouldn't say hurt rocked Mungia.
00:49:26
Speaker 2: But okay, that's all I'm saying.
00:49:27
Speaker 1: I think the body's gonna be the bullseye for Canelo, and then from there he starts, uh, you know, battering him up. And I think speeding explosiveness is on Canelo's side. It's it's a type of fire where it can be stopped late. But Mungia is in this fight. In the first half of the fight, it's gonna be fireworks, man, fireworks. I'm telling you, it's gonna be a great fight for six rounds.
00:49:44
Speaker 2: Do you think that Mongia is gonna fight the same way he's followed everybody else.
00:49:47
Speaker 1: He knows no other way. He knows no other way. He's not gonna come out, He's not gonna come out trying to box on the back foot like Deontay Wilder in Saudi. No way, He's gonna go forward. He's gonna go looking to making Mexican style, and eighteen thousand Mexicans are gonna be cheering them on because, like I said, they built them for this moment and now it's here. Time to cash out. Whether it's cashing out, uh, cashing out with money, but cash out going out on your shield. That's Mungia, and that's Mexican style.
00:50:16
Speaker 2: He's not great defensively, that's my concern. And I think he's gonna get hit with something big. And when Canelo hits you upstairs, one of those shots you don't see coming because he's still really fast. I think that's gonna stop. So give me your official prediction. Then how does this fight end? Canelo Mungia Canelo tenth round knockout. I'm say seventh round knockout. I thin Mungia, to your point, is gonna be fun early on. I think's gonna land some shots. Look, he's gonna try to take a page out of Dmitri bvil playbook, right like, He's going to throw a lot of punches and hope that Canelo puts his guard up and doesn't respond with big shots in return. But I don't think he has the chin of Beebel. He's not a gig.
00:50:47
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a footwork of Beebel.
00:50:49
Speaker 2: I know all those things. Yeah, you can't get in and out. He's just gonna be there to get hit. And I think he's gonna hit with something inside seven rounds.
00:50:55
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, you know who's not gonna get hit Me and Las Vegas. Baby, let's go Roulette, Let's do it all right.
00:51:02
Speaker 3: Paus, thank you so much.
00:51:07
Speaker 2: I go sleep.
Speaker 1: The volume.
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Speaker 2: All right before we begin. Sergiomora, former junior middleweight champion, de Zone Broadcast or Contender winner. Do you have an opening statement?
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Speaker 1: I do, and I'm glad you asked Chris Mannix, I want your producer Adam to play my theme music since the single them Ile Weekend. I want the Sante Fernandez Volvo Hit It Evolver Volver at DO podcast.
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Speaker 2: Chris Mannix, ow bad your voices?
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Speaker 1: You know I have a high pitched voice like for certain music. I can actually sing pretty good, like like Prince.
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Speaker 2: It's like comparing yourself favorably to Prince.
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Speaker 1: Now, okay, anyone with a high pitched voice beg's yeah, I got it all right.
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Speaker 2: Well let's stick with the mediocre boxing analysis, shall we. So let's talk. Let's talk about what we have this weekend, because it is a massive weekend, Canelo Alvarez taking on high made Mongia in Vegas. We're recording this on Tuesday, just before we head to Vegas. It's gonna be there all week ser to.
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Speaker 1: You all week all weekend, just music to my ears Tuesday through Sunday. The let table doesn't know what's coming.
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Speaker 2: The most excited I've ever seeing you has been when you were told about a few weeks ago that you could come to New York on Tuesday for Ryan Garcia Devin Haney fight week, and that you could come to Vegas on Tuesday for Kenilo mung No.
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Speaker 1: I've been giddy for some time, mannex. I mean when they told us we were doing Canelo, I was lit. I lit up like a Christmas tree. Then they told us we're doing Subril Matias in Puerto Rico.
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Speaker 2: I said, man, there Tuesday for that.
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Speaker 1: No, I doubt that. But no, it's been a great run. I mean, boxing is winning right now, Forget forget the fact that you know we're doing these great shows for his own Just boxing is winning right now all over the place.
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Speaker 2: It's incredible, and the biggest event is where we're gonna begin searching Mike Tyson, Jacob.
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Speaker 1: Oh Man, Canelo, Canelo, Mungia No.
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Speaker 2: We begin with the big news this week surrounding Mike Tyson Jake Paul, which is going to take place July twentieth on Netflix at AT and T Stadium in Dallas. We have some rules, Sergio for the Tyson Paul event. It is going to be an official pro fight, a sanction pro bout, meaning that the result will go on the records of both these guys. Jake Paul fought last year. Mike Tyson has not fought one of these since two thousand and five. It will be eight two minute rounds. They will fight with fourteen ounce gloves. There will be no headgear. Your reaction to the rules for Tyson Paul.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's not a real fight. It's not a real fight. If you're fighting with fourteen ouns gloves, that's sparring. One. If you are fighting a man that's gonna be fifty eight years old, that's not a real fight. I mean, you're fighting a senior citizen. If you're fighting with your rules in two minutes, that's not a real fight. I mean two minutes, no head of your out. That doesn't make sense a big it's it's a glorified sparring session. And it's a money grab. It's a market it's marketing at its finest. So I gotta give them credit, but no, it is not a real fight. So no matter how you try to twist and turn this, this is not a real, uh sanctioned fight. And well it isn't. And I don't want I don't want to. I don't want to get into the commission and shame on them. That's another thing. It's just how do you how do you call this a real fight? And it's not a real fight. It's a real event, an event that I give credit to Jake Paul and Mike Tyson. They're gonna make a killing great for them, but it don't don't minimize what we do in the rings as champions and and real boxing and what Mike did for so many years. Jake Paul's not doing that.
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Speaker 2: Well, look what it's gonna look like. It's gonna look a lot like the Roy Jones Mike Tyson fight because that fight was I believe eight two minute rounds. That fight had bigger gloves, that was not an official fight, didn't have official scoring by the state of California. This one will have official scoring by the State of Texas. But I think it's gonna look a lot like that. I don't love it that it's going on Mike's record. Like, let's say that Mike, at fifty eight years old, loses to Jake Paul, which I think is definitely possible, right, Like, if he doesn't knock him out in the first round, this could go badly for Mike Tyson. I don't need to see the last name on Mike Tyson's professional box wreck being Jake Paul by decision or something to that effect. That's the only thing about this that disappoints me. I'm really surprised, frankly that the Texas Commission decided to sanction this as a pro fight. I mean, I think I read somewhere We've never had this big and age gap in a professional fight. It's thirty thirty one years between these two guys.
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Speaker 1: That is exactly my point. That's why I started. You can't make this a real fight if you're fighting with oversized gloves, undersized time, because it's not three minutes unless they're women. But they're not women that I know of. And you're fighting up senior citizen Chris Mannox. That's not cool, man, and you know, yeah, you touch on a good point. How embarrassing is it for the legacy of Mike Tyson, not only to get knocked out by guys like Kevin McBride who shouldn't even hold your jockstrap, but now Jake Paul, Jake Paul. Credit to Jake Paul. He's a marketing genius. I'll say it again. This man is making a killing using his name and is following in social media. But now he's now he's he he's coming into a field where it's disrespectful to an icon. Mike Tyson's an icon. He's an iconoclast, and he's I'm sure that's the word.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he's using it appropriately.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's Mike Tyson. Everybody and their grandma knows Mike Tyson, and everybody in their grandma knows Jake Paul. But the difference is one is respected for something that only few men in the world can do, and the other ones not respected.
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Speaker 2: He's just followed well. I think Jake Paul's earned some respect over the years, haven't you Like some of the guys He's fought, fighting real fights, taking his training much more serious than other influencers do.
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Speaker 1: Respect is a strong word. I don't respect him as a fighter. I respect him as a hustler and a businessman, and I respect his passion for boxing. Yes, I do that.
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Speaker 2: We have a lot of time to talk about this in the future. But like, how do you think this fight goes now that you know the rules for it?
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Speaker 1: Uh, the same way that I told you it was gonna go earlier. I think Jake Paul's gonna beat an old man. He's gonna beat down an old man. It's not that Mike Tyson can fight. It's not that he still can't punch hard. It's that he has no he has no legs, he has no agility. Once that first round is gone, once those first two minutes, that's it, he's done. That's all he has. And when he misses, he's gonna fall off balance. It's only gonna take a glancing shot to the side of the head to make Mike feel all of those fifty eight years old. It's gonna be embarrassing. We're all gonna be embarrassed after that fight is done. And then of course you're gonna see Jake Paul on the top rope, you know, celebrating like he just knocked out Mike Tyson in his prime. It's ridiculous and it's utterly embarrassing.
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Speaker 2: I think for the first round or two there's gonna be a lot of intrigue in how that could play out, because I think punch for punch, Mike Tyson is still a bigger puncher than Jake Paul. And look we saw in the Roy Jones fight, which is four years ago, when he winds up and throws, he can still land a decent shot. So I do think it's gonna go Jake Paul's way because the age gap is so significant, and Jake is not some He's not some novice boxer anymore. He's far more developed than some of these other influences. But first couple of rounds, Sergio, I can get excited. I get behind it a little bit, can't you.
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Speaker 1: No, I mean, I'm sure Babe Ruth can still hit a home run and Ruth's dead. Wake him up from the dead.
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Speaker 2: No, that's not gonna happen. Before we move on, what are the piece of breaking news that actually broke last night? We saw Turkey Alaschk, the Saudi official that is behind Saudi Arabia's investment into boxing, announced that Jared Anderson is going to fight Deontay Wilder on August third, a card that is already massive. Now, this is all contingent on Deontay Wilder getting through what is really a fifty to fifty fight with Jean Juleai on June first, and you know, the idea that Deontay Wilder will turn around in two months and fight Jared Anderson seems a little I'm skeptical a little bit of that, but I love the idea. You know, Jared Anderson one of the rising stars in US boxing, Deontay Wilder kind of the last big heavyweight star in US boxing going at it and kind of a crossroads. I mean, I love the idea of that fight.
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Speaker 1: I'm happy for Jared Anderson. He's getting a pay day, he's getting some recognition. He's gonna be in there with one of the hardest punchers ever in boxing a formal world champion. Uh. Great for Jared Evans Anderson. I just think it's not gonna be a good fight. For Stylistically, it's not gonna be a good fight. Anderson's a boxer puncher, while there's a puncher. He wasn't a boxer like he tried to prove to everybody in his last fight. Stylistically, it's not gonna be a pretty fight. Man, even though the names sound good, it's not gonna be like the real fight in that event, and that's Tim Zuo. I'm telling you Tim Zuo, and.
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Speaker 2: Virtually we're into that. But I do think that's the real one here, all right. Why do you think Anderson versus Wilder is not because aesthetically pleasing fight. I mean, it's two big punchers.
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Speaker 1: It's two big punchers. I just Wilder didn't look good in his last fight, and I think I think he's gonna still try to do that off the ayahuasca. At this point of his career. I don't think Wilder is looking to knock anyone out anymore. He's looking to win fights through boxing, and he's he does what fighters do after he does what punchers do after they get knocked out, they try to become more boxers to extend their career and continue you know, making uh money. Uh. And then what boxers become when they get older is punchers because they don't have the legs to do what they used to do. So it's a it's a vice versa when when when when you know you get older as as a fighter. So I think that's what's happening here. While there's not gonna be the puncher. He looked awful trying to box, and Anderson is a little bit of both, but he doesn't take chances either. I just don't think it's gonna be an appealing fight for fans, But name wise, sign me up.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't disagree more about it not being appealing for fans. Look, deanty Wada looked like crap against Joseph.
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Speaker 1: There we go made my point.
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Speaker 2: Buddy's got a chance against Jean Jelay to look good because Jean Jelai is gonna be there. He's very hittable. That's a fight Deonta could win by knockout. If he does that, he gets a lot of his momentum back. And Jared Anderson he handed I think only what two of his fights have gone to a decision. That's and look, we're not even talking about that being the main event. That's probably like the third fight.
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Speaker 1: And that's why it's great that that's the reason here. I mean, you're you're stacking up, you're loading up on the undercard. That's the reason this is one of the greatest cards of all time nineteen nineties. Great. So yes, I'm excited about that. And and credit and a lot of credit to his excellency for putting up the money to do this, and I'm so happy decided to do it in La Yeah, you know, that's that's incredible, you know, taking it out of Saudi but still Saudi backed. People know this is a Saudi event, and it's it's it's a you know, it's all provided by Turkey A Lashk And credit to him, credit to you know, the fans for supporting it and all the promoters who came together to work together, because that's what we need in boxing.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a great atmosphere inside that venue on August third, because you're gonna have you will choose from a lot of different fan bases, right like you know, Isak Cruz has a lot of fans. Terence Crawford has a lot of fans. Deontay Wilder has a lot of fans. Andy Ruiz Southern California guy, he's got a lot of fans. You're I think it's what twenty two thousand that can fit into that venue. I think we'll sell that out pretty quickly, you know, once the tickets are are widely available. So I love that fight as as part of the cart if if Wildly gets through Zang, because wild they could also get knocked out by Zag. Like Dang has got real pop at heavyweight. I mean he dropped Joseph Parker twice with shots that didn't even look like they were that hard, like he just hit him clean. And if Zang lends those kinds of shots on Wilder, you can drop and knock out Wilder as well. So we'll see what happens in that fight. You mentioned Virgil Ortiz and Tim Zuo. Virgil just this past weekend coming off a just one sided destruction of Thomas delomet Lands, a body shot to the mid section of Delrimee that dropped him in the same way that Bernard Hopkins dropped Oscar de la Hoya. That some other great body shots have landed just a picture perfect body shot, ser Joe. We have seen Virgil Ortiz now in two fights above one hundred and forty seven pounds in January against Frederick Lawson and now recently against Thomas Delome. Both those guys are not natural junior middleweights. On August third, he is going to take on effectively a career long junior middleweight who is arguably the top guy in the one hundred and fifty four pound division. I know he lost his last fight, but that had as much to do with a cut on his head as it did with his performance in the ring. So is Virgil Ortiz at this stage ready for a tim Zo.
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Speaker 1: He's ready for tim Zoo. I just think it's going to be a fifty to fifty fight where whoever lands first is going to have the advantage. This fight does not go the distance. I think everyone knows that, and I repeat, this fight will not go the distance. Both men, I will predict, will get hurt, maybe both will go down. This will be a good old haggler hearns. Three fight, three round fight. That's what I'm predicting here. There is no way these guys don't just go to war from the beginning, because stylistically, that's all they know. We know, Virgil Ortiz just goes forward, tries to knock you out, and he loads up on every punch. Tim Zoo, on the other hand, he's like his dad. You know, he'll mix it up with you, but he would rather be on the outside trying to land that straight left right hand. They have one of the most beautiful, well timed straight right hands in boxing. That's the reason my trainer, Dean used to love Costa Zoo. He used to tell me to watch Costa Zoo tapes because you know, we fat urn him. Forrest, Costa Zoo beat him and the amateurs. Costa Zoo would have beaten Oscar de la Hoya because of that right hand. It was laser like. It was incredible. The problem with Zoo is he he had this weird kind of centaur technique where he kept his chin up. You know, he was always looking a punch, and they have such great timing that he got away with his timing. But once that guy breaks that distance, then they get in trouble with their technique. So I can see this being a type of fight where Virgil Ortiz takes advantage of that of that lack of technique and the chin being exposed, dropping hurting someone like Zoo and then going after the kill, then Zoo dropping and hurting Virgil Ortiz. It's gonna be a It's good this fight comes down who takes a better punch. And I said that with Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney, and it was true who takes a better punch? Both men were hurt. Ultimately, Hany Hani Uh, you know, lacked the resistance, Sir, who takes a better punch? And I think that's gonna be Virgil Ortiz. I'll credit him.
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Speaker 2: So two years ago, I probably would have agreed with you, because that was the fight that Tim Zu got dropped in the first round by Terrell Kochet. Though since then I have seen measurable improvement from Tim Zuo against Tony Harrison, who wiped out against Carlosacampo, who he wiped out against Brian Mendoza, a tough guy, big puncher, and Zoo went the distance with him, like beat him up over twelve rounds. The Fandora fight, I think we both agree that would have gone a different way had that cut not happened two rounds in Zoo looked like he was ready to dominate. Uh so, I think Zoo is a much better fighter than the guy you're kind of referencing, didn't.
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Speaker 1: I get you that he has better technique and a better right hand, and normally he passes the eye test. I would go for him normally.
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Speaker 2: Normally you're saying, but I think he's I don't think he keeps his chin up as much as you seem to think, like, I don't think he does that.
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Speaker 1: Watch him fight.
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Speaker 2: He fights like I have watched a fight against him a couple of times.
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Speaker 1: Like he fights exactly like is that even pauses nose?
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Speaker 2: I mean that, betweeah.
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Speaker 1: He keeps his hands really high, and when he's in control, he's unbeatable. The problem is once he starts mixing it up, then he starts opening up his his his his arms, and then he exposes his chin a little bit too high. He fights like a centaur.
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, So you don't think it's too much too soon? Then for Virgelartis, it's kind of what I'm getting at.
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Speaker 1: No, no way. I mean, I think the Kavaloskis fight prepared him for this. If if if he would have fought Tim Zoo before Kavloskis, then I would have easily picked Zoo for this fight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, even though the two guys he's faced at one fifty four or I guess above one fifty four, he's been like a one to fifty five fifty six the last couple of fights. Neither one of those guys is junior midlewaight, so he has never really faced true junior middlewaight power at this point. That's my biggest concern coming in that. You know, yes, at welterweight he faced some decent guys, most notably Kvaloscas, who gave him some trouble you know, came close to knocking him down early in that fight. At junior middleweight and really middleweight, he's fighting guys that are career long one forty sevens forties. Even for Thomas Delormet. I think that's the big question I have coming in. Does is he able to be the same aggressive fighter when you've got junior middleweight power coming back?
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Speaker 1: He knows no other way, and that's the reason this fight won't last long. Because Virgil Ortiz is a natural born fighter. He's not gonna be on the back foot boxing trying to you know, I jab you and go for the distance. That's not his temperament. We haven't seen it. At least. He only knows one way destruction and tim Zoo knows two ways, destruction and survival. And that's the reason I think. You know, when when he starts boxing backwards, he can make it difficult for Virgil. But I just think Virgil takes a better, better punch in my opinion.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're gonna find out because both it's gonna be bombs away both those guys. Virgil said after the fight in the rings say get ready for a war. Basically, I think.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna now if if tim Zu takes that power and beats Virgil or T's we have a new star in boxing.
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Speaker 2: That I'm saying, Where did this fight one way or the other's new star in boxing?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, but it's always it's always a little bit different when you're dealing with like an Australian. He has a whole country behind him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but tim Zu and look, tim Zu even put aside Australia was starting to build his name more in the US. That Keith Thurman fight was supposed to be the big coming out party for tim Zu where he got that name on his resume, I think if he beats Virgil Ortiz, maybe not a pay per view guy, but getting close to it. And I think Virgil Ortiz, who was right there as well on the cusp at welterweight, didn't quite get that world title shot, but undefeated all knockouts, I think he's a superstar if he wins. And by the way, this is easily be a fight that could be repeated. We could want to see this again a second time, a third time, just like we've been talking about.
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Speaker 1: Who's gonna who's gonna put up money for the remagmatics.
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Speaker 2: I don't think the Saudi's going anywhere. By the way, I hope that if Tim Zu and Virgil Lootiz wanted to run it back, that's a main event that you could make with a lesser undercard, like you could do that fight again, no question about it. You couldn't do it in this kind of mega event, but you could certainly do that fight one more time. And I hope that, you know, we get to see that at some point down the line. All right, I want to talk about the Jose Ramirez fight this past weekend. Jose Ramirez making his debut with Golden Boy, former Unified champion fight his fights Rantis Partello me was off for about thirteen months. I think you saw some ring ross on Ramirez early on, got clipped with a bunch of left hands in the first four rounds before settling down, wound up winning a wide decision. How would you grade the performance of Jose Ramirez last week?
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Speaker 1: His performance inside the ring I would say is probably a C plus, and that's being generous. But his effort and his resilience and his strength and the whole event, I will I will give it a. I would give it as honestly, I really I like seeing guys go through fire. Because you know he's a former champion. We know he could take a punch. He took it from Josh Taylor that was on the undisputed championship level. That's his only loss, so there's no shame there. But when you have an older former champion, thirty eight year old Ramsis Bartolomy, rocking you like he did, then it's signs for concern, all right. So it's not just in activity. It signs for concern here. Does he really wanted? Is he's still hungry? Is he's still preparing like he used to. These are all signs. So it wasn't a good performance as far as fighting, it was a It was a great reminder of the will and the resiliency has as as a as a man and as a fighter. So I just think I'm gonna I'm gonna be a little bit more. I want to test him in his next fight. I want to see how he looks in his next fight. If he looks up par again, then I think we've seen the best Jose Ramirez at thirty one years old. But if not, then I just think it was one of those inactive stretches that a boxer goes through. Believe me, I'm the king of inactivity. All my worst performances were after long stretches, So I'll give him pass well.
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Speaker 2: I first want to give credit to Barthelemy, who was a lot more competitive than I thought he was going to be. I mean, I have watched a lot of Rancis Barthelemy over the years, fought a bunch of times on showtimes, A two time champion at one, thirty one thirty five, I've not always found his fights to be aesthetically pleasing. I don't think he is a great television fighter, but he came to fight early on. In this fight. That left hand of his was real, the power behind it was real, and just like with Devin Haney, Sergio Ramirez couldn't get out of the way of it, like over and over again. To the point we're in the third round, I thought there was a realistic shot that Ramira is going to get knocked out. You know, he looked like he was knocked down. I mean, I've watched it a bunch of times since then. I stand by my original comments that should have been a knockdown. But either way, he was wobbled and he was hurt. To Ramirez his credit, he was able to do what Devin Haney couldn't. He adjusted, he kept that right hand up, he avoided that straight left, He was able to slip it, move, duck under it, do all the things that Devin couldn't. Now, going up against a different fighter, different level of speed, that certainly is a factor. But I give him credit for settling down and continuing the attack. And I thought he won nine of the twelve rounds clean in this fight, so I'd probably give him a be as far as as far from grade c plus b. I I think I think the way he shook off that ring rust was impressive. I mean, thirteen months off two fights really in the last three years. I think that had a significant impact on the way he fought early on.
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Speaker 1: I did, and I don't want to see him inactive like that ever. Again. I just think if you know, there's a there's a lot of career left in Ramirez and behind Golden Boy. You know, this was his debut. He wanted to shine. He had the house filled. You know. That's the thing about fighting in Fresno. How many times he fought there, what eight eight times?
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Speaker 2: It's saved mar I think eleven overall, and that was a record crowd.
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Speaker 1: That's my point. It was an incredible night. So credit to Rick Maridgian, his manager, always taking him there. He has something there that that that he should never go anywhere else.
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Speaker 2: Well, yes he should, because there's bigger live.
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Speaker 1: Not if you're the A side. Now, if you're gonna be they're gonna be going to fight another champion, then yeah, you have no choice.
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Speaker 2: No, you treat it like Bud Crawford treats Omaha. You go back there every so often, but you take your bigger events to New York Las Vegas where they have bigger site. Think I think charge more for tickets.
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Speaker 1: I think his promoter, Golden Borer, will disagree. They're gonna be keeping still agree after after what we just witnessed in Fresno. I mean it was crowded, it was live, the fans loved it. He's gonna he sells a lot of tickets there. So either they're Vegas, I can't see anywhere else.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, by all means, do fights on the level of Rancis barthelomy in in central California. But if you wind up in a world title opportunity with like super Al Mattias or against Taffy will Lopez, you go to New York City, Sergio, you go to New York City where they sell tickets at a lot higher prices than they were selling in Fresno.
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Speaker 1: Oh, you're talking about t Femal Lopez. Okay, yes, that one.
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Speaker 2: But even on lesser scale. And this brings me to the next point about what is next for Jose Ramirez because afterwards Oscar de la Hoya said he probably needs one more fight before he's ready for a championship level fight. So you know, this Arnold Barboza that's out there ranked number one by the WBO, Regis Progray is out there. That's a makeable fight. Golden Boy and Mattroum a lot of talent at one forty right now on that kind of B level that Ramirez could make. Who's someone you want to see him in with in his next fight?
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Speaker 1: Well, considering he looked great and he was shaking off Cole Webbs, I don't want to see him in with a HAINI. I don't want to see him in against a Ryan Garcia or any of the top dogs. I want to see him in against a top contender or a former champion. So either Rejas Progra because stylistically that that just makes sense both of them are there in front of each other, or Ernold Barbosa, undefeated guy who's willing to take on all comers, wants to fight the absolute best. Give him an opportunity with a former champion in Romerez, perfect, perfect opportunity for both to shine and then get to the next level. So give me Barbosa on a contender level, give me a Regis program a former champion level.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you're Golden Boy, I mean, does Golden Boy want to make they just signed both these guys. Do they want to put him in with each other right away? That would be the question I have. I actually like the fight because I think that's kind of a not exactly winner go home, but win and you're in the world title picture. Lose and you're probably out of it for at least another year or so. And I like that fight. It's competitive fight. I think it's more a makeable fight too, because for a long time, Ramirez and Barboza have the same manager. From what I was told, Rick Mariggian and Barboza if had a falling out, they're not working together anymore. Now that's a much more makeable fight if someone in the middle is not kind of throwing up roadblocks, so to speak. So I like that fight. Both top five in the WBO, the winner kind of has a mandate to fight to a FEMO for that belt. I think that's the right fight for him next. And you could do that, like I'd probably do that more in Los Angeles where you can charge more for tickets. Maybe do it in Vegas, charge more for tickets, get a sight feed. But if you want to do that fight in cents.
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Speaker 1: No baby, I see it right now, Josse Carlos Romidez versus Arnold Barbarous?
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Speaker 2: Would Barbosa want to go there?
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Speaker 1: Save Mart Center, Fresnel, California.
00:27:24
Speaker 2: I would Barbosa want to go there?
00:27:26
Speaker 1: I already told you, Look at all the fans, look at all the people.
00:27:29
Speaker 2: Money is what matters.
00:27:30
Speaker 1: You know this.
00:27:30
Speaker 2: Why do I have to argue with the former fighter about where the most money is. You have fought in Vegas, you have fought in Texas, you have fought in commerce casino in California.
00:27:39
Speaker 1: I've never fed a commerce casino.
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Speaker 2: What is the kid? What the casino is in California?
00:27:42
Speaker 1: What wasn't a casino? It is quiet cannon quit.
00:27:44
Speaker 2: It's the same thing.
00:27:44
Speaker 1: It's not a casino, it's a.
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Speaker 2: It's also a casino.
00:27:47
Speaker 1: No, it's not all right. You didn't grow up in East La. It's not a casino. Nip nim nuts, nit wit.
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Speaker 2: I think you nit with but I think numb nuts stuck in the middle. Either way, you know that ticket price is very right. They're a little different in Qui can than they are in Vegas or even in Texas. I'm just saying, if you're Barbosa, you want to make the most money. You don't need to do it in front of fifteen thousand fans that are all gonna be against you, like, why would you do it? But that's the right fight. Regis pro Gray or Arnold Barbosa August September of this year. Get him back in the ring and then look, he's top five, he's in that position to fight Taffy Malopez.
00:28:26
Speaker 1: Who knows Chris Maybe uh Turkey Ala Chic is a Arnold Barbosa fan.
00:28:31
Speaker 2: Maybe wants to put on a Barbosa fight.
00:28:33
Speaker 1: There you go. Maybe he'll put up the money, I guess, and everyone will shut you up.
00:28:37
Speaker 2: Weird?
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Speaker 1: Do you do?
00:28:38
Speaker 2: You have an issue? Like we talked at length with Ramirez before the fight, and it was clear that the last few months, last six months, eight months, have really taken a toll on him, you know, the process of extracting himself from top rank, the process of finding a new promoter, having a layoff of about thirteen months. It was clear from talking to him that it took a lot out of him. That being said, like he left top rank and now he's still looking for that fight with Teafi Ma Lopez. I would imagine it got a lot harder to make that fight happen. He does have an option to maybe fight Mattias because Mattroom is aligned with his own But Mattias, we know he's got other plans. He's got a fight coming up against Limparo, maybe a mandatory against Richard and Hitchins. Isa Cruz, I don't know how you make that fight happen if you're Jose Ramirez. And what am I missing there? The Devin Haynes. He's not going to fight him, at least not for the rest of this year. So I just think Ramirez is in a tough spot in terms of making a world title fight over the next year year and a half, which he says is what he's looking for.
00:29:48
Speaker 1: Every fighter, you know, once they transition from from former champion to you know, two time champion or looking to become a two time champion, normally at that stage career, like in your early thirties, you're gonna move promoters because you've already you've already succeeded, and and and kind of they did everything they can for you. I mean, look look at who left top rank and they split amicably. Miguel Coto left top rank after they did an amazing job. Austin de Laoya left uh top rank after they did an amazing job. Floyd Mayweather left Top Rank after amazing So they do. They're the best promoter in the business as far as making a champion and protecting them and moving them the right way. But then once that fighter, that champion keeps that zero and builds that name and it becomes a free agent, then he goes into the market, you know, and he goes wherever the best money is. And that's exactly what what all champions should do. It's it's it's just a ride of passage. I think Top Rank understands that they made their money. They made their money. They they they did their job, and now it's time for the fighter to branch out.
00:30:52
Speaker 2: And they did offer Rameiras two million dollars to fight ta Fimo. That's not nothing like. That's a real offer to fight for a world title. That's a winnable fight too for Amira. I mean, Taffmo was really good, but we've seen Taffimo look great and we've seen him look very average. I think Ramirez could go into that fight believing he could win. I'm just saying, like I don't know what the pathway to Ramirez fighting for a world title is until like the summer of twenty twenty five.
00:31:14
Speaker 1: I don't think he's in a hurry to fight for a world title next. I think he's he's looking at longevity. The second chapter of his career.
00:31:19
Speaker 2: He's definitely looking a long jevity.
00:31:20
Speaker 1: He's thirty one years old, So yeah, that's what I would be doing at thirty one. I fought, you know, I was in my fourth chapter at thirty one, but I was still thinking a longevity and look, I fought seven more years. Man and Golden Boy was one of the promoters I fought with. I fought with top rank. I went all over the place. I bound, I bounced from promoter to promoter, and thank god, you know, I made really good money. PBC came around, I got another title shot. So you never know what's around the corner. You just got to stay optimistic and and know that there's several chapters in a boxer's book.
00:31:49
Speaker 2: And now you're trying to get into a room with UK to say, can you make more of Manfredo three? Just put up the cash.
00:31:57
Speaker 1: Either either that one, either that one. The trilogy with Manfredo or I'll do a side show with Jake Paul. Either way, I'm still open for a Chris Mannix.
00:32:03
Speaker 2: How many rounds would Jake Paul?
00:32:05
Speaker 1: Did you say I'll do eight minute two runs, I'll do a side show with him. Let's go ahead here or not?
00:32:12
Speaker 2: All right? So we're about a week and a half removed now from the Ryan Garcia Devin Haney fights. We've kind of moved on to the part of the story where we ask what's next for Ryan Garcia. I talked to Oscar de la Hoya on Fight Night this past weekend. He said he actually ran into Devin Haney running while Devin will while they live in the same community in Vegas. So Devon's already out there trying to shake off that loss, get back, get back into shape, but keep working towards his next goal. On social media, Oscar has been pretty negative about the rematch between Devon and Ryan, but in our conversation he said, look, he told Devin to relax, get some rest, bounce back. Maybe next year we can do that fight. So there is optimism. I think that we can get Hainey Garcia two at some point in twenty twenty five but Ryan's gonna want to fight before then, right, Like he's gonna want to do some kind of event before that. As you look at the landscape right now, what's the right fight. He's not gonna fight at junior welterweight anymore. Uh, maybe it's just a full fledged welterweight. Maybe it's somewhere in between. But what is the right fight for Ryan Garson?
00:33:17
Speaker 1: Well, he's gonna be wanting to fight a welterweight, right or some catch weight.
00:33:21
Speaker 2: Around Yeah, I would say.
00:33:23
Speaker 1: Forty seven, Okay, So then let's take the weight in mind. He's gonna fight a welterweight. He's gonna want to fight someone in the Golden Boys stable. And it's not gonna be a big fight, you know, a big name, because there's nothing but killers that win forty It's certainly he's not gonna be east side Cruz because that'll just be suicide.
00:33:38
Speaker 2: So those dad kind of said, you see, his dad says a lot about Pitpoll.
00:33:42
Speaker 1: That dad says a lot of things. I don't think they're gonna want to make that fight next. I think they're gonna want to do after this mega event, a big event that he had with Devan Hainey. Yes, they would love that rematch, but we know how promoters it's very hard to get, you know, Eddie Hern and Delahoy and Barbariam and all these promoters in a room. Let's just for serious money. So yes, I don't think Haney rematches next, even though I would love to see that fight. I think it's gonna be just someone in the Golden Boys stable. It's probably gonna be a stay busy fight with someone like Alexis Rocha. I'll be honest with you. It's gonna be something. It's gonna be something where it's not gonna be a mega fight. It's gonna be a stay busy fight. Uh. Ryan Garcia will still uh you know, make not eight million dollars, but it will still make you know, a few million dollars fighting Alexis Rocha. You put it in LA it's gonna be a popular ticket seller. Roacha sells a lot of tickets. You know, Ryan Garcia fills the house. That probably will make perfect sense in a crypto arena, you know some some you know some La Colisseum, the Forum. It'll do great. So I think that's a good stay busy fight until Hani comes around or he faces one of the big dogs, that one forty.
00:34:44
Speaker 2: What do you think of the buzz about Ryan against Errol Spence.
00:34:50
Speaker 1: I like, I like the Derek James aspect to it. Now. I like that blood, a little bad blood there. I like the way that Ryan Garcia he's really crazy like a fox Man. Just when you think he's crazy, he's smart. So maybe he sees something in Spence.
00:35:04
Speaker 2: But do you think he's big enough to fight?
00:35:06
Speaker 1: Yes, this kid, this kid fills up nicely. He has the height and the soldiers and I'm telling you he looked muscular, so yes, he can carry one fifty four. Uh. Spence has already been beaten down pretty badly twice twice Manx, once by Crawford, the other time by Ferrari or Lamborghini whatever was a car accident.
00:35:30
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the fighters.
00:35:32
Speaker 1: Two bad beatings on his body. You know, he hasn't been the same. So yeah, it's it's it's it's prime picking for Ryan Garcia. So that's what I'm saying. He's maybe crazy and appears like a lunatic and says some crazy stuff, but he is damn damn smart, just just like a marketing Genie is just like Jake Paul. He's kind of like that, but he picks the right style matchup to look good against and it's and it's ah and it's an opponent where people can respect and the truth.
00:36:00
Speaker 2: Nel Spence, I could see Golden Boy going back to the Roly Romero well for this next fight.
00:36:06
Speaker 1: One more thing, one more thing to add on top of that. Put that fight in Texas. How incredible would that fight be?
00:36:12
Speaker 2: The great atmosphere.
00:36:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll sell fifty thousand.
00:36:14
Speaker 2: I mean they probably do it in Vegas, though there's more there's more money in Vegas.
00:36:17
Speaker 1: I get it. But I'm just saying, if you do it where they fought Mikey Garcia and Cowboys Stadium, fifty thousand easily can show up there. But yeah, that's a Vegas fight.
00:36:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about fifty thousand. I think you can get twenty five thirty thousand potentially, But look, it's a good fight. I do think that Roly Romero is going to be an option there really. Of course, the shines come off to him after getting beat up by Isa Cruz, but you can say, hey, we're going to a new weight class. You know that Roly would sell a fight like he would jump up a down and shove each other at pres conference. It would be wild. It'd be a pretty wild scene. So I could see that be considered internally at Golden Boy. But the Spence fight is intriguing, Like if Ryan feels like he can make one fifty four and still be as fast, as strong, as powerful as he's been at one thirty five, and I think that's an fight, you know in Spence. Look, Spence got a ring and challenge Sebastian Fandora, but we know that's not going to happen at least December of this year at the very earliest. If Fandora decides to give him, give Spence that opportunity, So I could see that that that fight potentially happening. Let me ask you though about the the Derek James stuff that broke this past week. You know, Derek of course is looking for a bigger piece of the Errol Spence pie. He was paid three hundred and fifty thousand dollars after the fight against against Terrence Crawford last year. Derek James in his lawsuit has said, look, we had an agreement for ten percent. I found out that Errol Spence made twenty five million dollars for that fight, so I want ten percent of that. I want two point five million as my feet. And in fact I found out as well, I'm paraphrasing Derek James, that he made more money to fight Danny Garcia than I thought, and more money to fight Mikey Garcia than I thought. So Derk James looking for backpay as well as part of this, where do you stand on that? As someone that you know fought for limiting money early in your career, fought for more money a little bit later, where do you stand on what a trainer is owed in these situations?
00:38:18
Speaker 1: And I had issues like that in myself. And it wasn't twenty five million, you know, it's not even It was a lot less, But still I had issues with that too, because you know, whenever a boxer and a trainer link up their kids, their teenagers, it's a handshake deal, man. So when they turn pros, when they turn professional, it's still a handshake deal. So it all comes down to knowing who you did business with. But once money, tens of millions of dollars gets involved, then character and friendship and business and all that goes out the window. Man. That's when you need to have, you know, a contract laid out. You know, if you make a certain amount of money, I make this percentage. If you pass and exceed that, I'm of money, then just give me a flat fee. Look at what happened to Triple G when he got that big money. Abel Sanchez, you know, disappeared. So many fighters have come to this cross row with their trainer once they make tens of millions of dollars. And the ones that stick around, you know, the Canelos, can we never heard of. Canelo and Adie Reinoso have issues over money. And that's because it comes down to character, and it comes down to to friendship before the business. Certain fighters have that and certain fighters don't. So I don't know what to tell you their mannics. It's it's it's a it's a tricky thing because I get I get where Aerol Spence is coming from as a fighter, but I feel bad and I respect where Derek James is coming from. It's a fine line and and and and they should have some paperwork.
00:39:46
Speaker 2: I think there's a middle ground here where I think er dark James is uh deserves more than just the three and fifty thousand that he was paid, but deserves a lot less than two point fights.
00:39:56
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I would, I wouldn't. I would, I wouldn't have give him two part two point five million either.
00:40:01
Speaker 2: It should be a flat fee like Oscar del Hoya with his trainers over the years, negotiated a flat fee. Freddie Roach and Manipackrick negotiate flat fees like that's the mistake that was made, you know, expecting the ten percent rule that you had an oral agreement on when he was fighting for twenty five hundred dollars coming out of the Olympics to still be in place when he's fighting for twenty five million dollars, you know, against Terrence Crawford in the biggest fight of the year. So look, I don't think Derek James is gonna win this because you don't win on a handshake agreement. You don't win on an oral agreement. And by the letter of their agreement, technically, Errol Spence did pay him the ten percent of the two point five million he was guaranteed in that fight. That was the bare minimum that he was going to make. Of course, he made way more twenty five million plus to fight Terrence Crawford. But I don't think he's gonna win that argument. Again, I don't think he should win. I mean, the fighters, they're the ones in the ring, they're the one Errol Spence took the beating that night, not Derek James. Right, not to say dark James didn't put the work in to help prepare Aero Spence for that fight. But you know, whether it's five hundred thousand, seven hundred and fifty thousand, maybe even even million dollars off off that that uh, that purse, maybe that's what he's over two point five million, Sergio, that feels like a.
00:41:15
Speaker 1: Lot that I would have I would have given uh Derrick James at least one million, and and that that's a damn good, you know package. That's a bit aside from the ten percent that was uh uh that was guaranteed and and and agreed upon.
00:41:30
Speaker 2: Be Canelo was not paying Eddie Renoso at ten.
00:41:32
Speaker 1: Per way, no way, not paying Anthony Anthony Josh Anthony Josh Wayne paying you know his trainers that that money either whenever you whenever you cross that that line of like real serious big money, which which hasn't always been the case. You know, these fighters are making obscenes amount of money that's never been seen before. So now when they finally hit that that type of money, they're like, WHOA, what do we do? And then what do you do? You want to hold on to as much as possible bestly if you lost that fight, because if you would have won, it's like, all right, I got another big fight coming, I got another twenty million dollar paycheck. But when you lose like Galofkin, like Spence, like pak yall, then you start thinking, oh, that might be my last one. Let me hold on to all. Yeah.
00:42:13
Speaker 2: But I don't even know about that because the way Derek James has framed it is that he wasn't getting paid the right amount for the other Paperview fights that he won.
00:42:20
Speaker 1: I just hope I don't hear Derek James having the same issue with Ryan Garcia coming up.
00:42:25
Speaker 2: Uh, I think it, So tell me with think about that's going to be the next one. Yeah, But I think it's a lot different when you are taking on an established star, right, Like if you like you were with your trainer from day one. Eerl and Derek James are together from day one. It was ten percent back then when ten percent really wasn't a lot of money. When you go to a new trainer, I would bet there's a discussion to be had about how much you're getting paid. You're not just assuming. If you're Ben Davison, you're getting ten percent of everything. Anthony Joshua make surprise on fight night, You'll be you think that they believe that going in.
00:42:57
Speaker 1: You'll be surprised because once once a fight made a name for himself and he's making all that money, and he's looking for a new trainer. That trainer welcomes a cash cow like that, welcomes in and he'll be glad he's getting to get Absolutely.
00:43:10
Speaker 2: You think Ben Davison believe he's getting ten percent of everything Anthony Joshua was getting. I don't believe that for a split second. Nor do I believe that James thought he was getting ten percent of everything that gets.
00:43:19
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ten percent when it comes to Anthony Joshua money or or Canelo or.
00:43:24
Speaker 2: I'm curious how Canelo does it.
00:43:26
Speaker 1: But five percent is still a lot of money, present a lot of money.
00:43:29
Speaker 2: But you've never heard any disagreement between Canelo and his team about how much they're getting paid. I mean they've been together from day one. It was Cheppo Renoso, Eddie Renos. So it seems like they're all on the same page with this stuff.
00:43:39
Speaker 1: That's character manics got oct there and that man has it. Canelo has a lot.
00:43:43
Speaker 2: Was stuck with his trainers. I actually was one of those people advocating for a training change back in twenty thirteen when Canelo got smoked by Floyd Mayweather. I thought, you're.
00:43:51
Speaker 1: Always you're always asking people to change trainers. I'm always on one that happening to you in your place. He said the exact same thing when Joshua, you know, lost to Ruiz he said the exact same thing.
00:44:00
Speaker 2: No, you weren't right, but okay, they made the change eventually.
00:44:04
Speaker 1: And why is he still bouncing around from trainer to trainer.
00:44:06
Speaker 2: It seems like he's found some with Ben Davison now though.
00:44:08
Speaker 1: Everyone finds something with Ben Davison, one of the best in the world.
00:44:11
Speaker 2: I agree, last thing, we are going to be head to DIVA.
00:44:14
Speaker 1: We finished here, man, this is overtime already.
00:44:15
Speaker 2: It's not overtime.
00:44:17
Speaker 1: It's like six questions already. You told me just three or four.
00:44:20
Speaker 2: We're going to the airport together. What do you want to do with something?
00:44:22
Speaker 1: This is over.
00:44:23
Speaker 2: We're gonna sit on or ask for twenty five minutes before we can leave for the airport. Would you just relax?
00:44:28
Speaker 1: Vegas weights, let's go come We can't get.
00:44:29
Speaker 2: Up there, Let's go. Come on, all right? Canelo against Mungia Saturday, de Own pay per view. Canlo is a big favorite, uh and understandably so. But the more I think about this fight, Sergio, the more of a chance I'm giving Himemongia. Maybe it's because we've seen the improbable happen a lot over the last few weeks, whether it is what Ryan did to Devin, what we just saw Rats Barthelomy almost due to uh uh, to Jose Ramirez. But we've got a good young fighter in him, Mungia that throws a lot of punches, going up against a once great world champion who maybe isn't as great as he used to be. I mean, that's I think that's fair to say. Is is this fight closer than people think it's gonna be? Because the perception is Canelo by brutal knockout, and maybe that happens, but that's the perception. Is this fight more competitive, do you think than people think.
00:45:26
Speaker 1: I'm glad you changed the words from closer to competitive because I was gonna say no, not closer, because it could still be a great and entertaining fight. But it's gonna be one sided. It's gonna be competitive, it's gonna be physical, it's it's gonna be a good old Mexican standoff. Man. I'm talking about Barrera Morales. I mean, I know it sounds like lunas or blasphemy, but that's how good of a chim Mungia has this. He's younger, he's fresher, he's bigger, he's probably stronger, and that's gonna play a part in this. Connelo doesn't take chances anymore. You said it, he's not the great fighter he once was, because man, he has sixty four fights. He's been fighting sase he was fifteen years old. Blah blah blah. All that goes out the window. You don't have the same engine that you once had. You have to fight differently. Mungia only has one engine. He has one gear, for God's sake, and that's forward to try to take your head off. So I would normally pick Canelo and by knockout here. But because because Mungia has that chin, and he's so big, and he's gonna hydrate bigger, and he's motivated, he has enough time to prepare and he's.
00:46:37
Speaker 2: Been groomed for this moment.
00:46:40
Speaker 1: Golden Boy Promotions and everyone around between Mugia has prepared him for this Canelo cash out. If Cannelo would have had him five fights ago, Canelo would have wiped the floor with am easing. But because Mungia has had the Derevin Chenkos and the confidence of knocking out a John Ryder who Canelo could have knocked out. Ignorance may be bliss man, and and and confidence may be soaring for Mungia. But I think this is a winnable fight in the closer. I guess the more I study, I'm with you, and I'm with that other crazy lunatic, Todd Grisham, who called it from the beginning. He was the only one that said I'm picking Mungia in this fight. He was only one, So he's picked Mungia back when we were in a I forget where we were, but yeah we did. Yeah, we did a round table and picked so the closer, I guess, yeah, man, I think Gia is gonna give a lot of issues to Canelo, but I still think Canelo gets them late. Canelo carries his power late, and even though he was struggling with a Keila plant, he was struggling with the covidlet. He finds that way to knock you out. And I think the similar thing happens here, only I think it happens maybe one round sooner in the tenth.
00:47:49
Speaker 2: So the changes that we've seen him Canelo in recent fights are twofold.
00:47:55
Speaker 1: One.
00:47:55
Speaker 2: He doesn't throw the same number of punches that he used to the numbers they backed up second defensively. Yeah, I see that clip on our social media, his own social media at the time of Canello avoiding shots. None of those clips are from recent fights, right, They're from Daniel Jacobs and what he did there and some of his earlier stuff against like Austin Trout and aris Landi Lara like where he slipped punches a lot. He rolled with punches, doesn't do that anymore kind of Parry's more eats them in his gloves. Is a different kind of defensive fighter at this stage of his career. Look, if this fight goes to a decision, I think is gonna win. I think his punch output is going to be vastly more significant than Canelo's. I can see him winning a decision if it gets there. But Mungia's chin is suspect Sergio and what it's suspect? He suspect No, It is because he gets hurt against lesser punchers. He has been hurt against Spiko Sullivan, he has been hurt against Sergei Dervin Schenko. He was hurt at times against John Ryder. You get hurt by those types of punchers, and then you go in with Canelo. Canelo hits like a mule, dude. Canelo hits the body, hits the skull. He hits like a mule. So my concern with Mgia is that he's gonna walk into a massive countershot at some point, the kind of countershot he can't take.
00:49:12
Speaker 1: I think Canelo uh beats him down to the body. I think I've seen Mugia hurt to the body too. I've seen him hurt to Darthaje. Him there with a Sullivan and Terrilla Johnson. Everyone's hurt, you know, rocked. I wouldn't say hurt rocked Mungia.
00:49:26
Speaker 2: But okay, that's all I'm saying.
00:49:27
Speaker 1: I think the body's gonna be the bullseye for Canelo, and then from there he starts, uh, you know, battering him up. And I think speeding explosiveness is on Canelo's side. It's it's a type of fire where it can be stopped late. But Mungia is in this fight. In the first half of the fight, it's gonna be fireworks, man, fireworks. I'm telling you, it's gonna be a great fight for six rounds.
00:49:44
Speaker 2: Do you think that Mongia is gonna fight the same way he's followed everybody else.
00:49:47
Speaker 1: He knows no other way. He knows no other way. He's not gonna come out, He's not gonna come out trying to box on the back foot like Deontay Wilder in Saudi. No way, He's gonna go forward. He's gonna go looking to making Mexican style, and eighteen thousand Mexicans are gonna be cheering them on because, like I said, they built them for this moment and now it's here. Time to cash out. Whether it's cashing out, uh, cashing out with money, but cash out going out on your shield. That's Mungia, and that's Mexican style.
00:50:16
Speaker 2: He's not great defensively, that's my concern. And I think he's gonna get hit with something big. And when Canelo hits you upstairs, one of those shots you don't see coming because he's still really fast. I think that's gonna stop. So give me your official prediction. Then how does this fight end? Canelo Mungia Canelo tenth round knockout. I'm say seventh round knockout. I thin Mungia, to your point, is gonna be fun early on. I think's gonna land some shots. Look, he's gonna try to take a page out of Dmitri bvil playbook, right like, He's going to throw a lot of punches and hope that Canelo puts his guard up and doesn't respond with big shots in return. But I don't think he has the chin of Beebel. He's not a gig.
00:50:47
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a footwork of Beebel.
00:50:49
Speaker 2: I know all those things. Yeah, you can't get in and out. He's just gonna be there to get hit. And I think he's gonna hit with something inside seven rounds.
00:50:55
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, you know who's not gonna get hit Me and Las Vegas. Baby, let's go Roulette, Let's do it all right.
00:51:02
Speaker 3: Paus, thank you so much.
00:51:07
Speaker 2: I go sleep.
