SEAL Team 6 Operator | Trey Lindsey | Ep. 349

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Special Operations, Cobert.
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SPI and I.
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The Team House with your hopes, Jack Murphy and David Park.
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Hey everyone, welcome to episode three hundred and forty nine
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of The Team House. I'm Jack Murphy on tonight with
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our guest Trey Lindsay. Trey served in the Navy, first
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in law enforcement before he went over to Seal Team
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four and then Seal Team six. Served on deployments around
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the world, and now works as a training organization and
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knife company involved in law enforcement. And also he's the
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guy that I end up working for once or twice
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a year, So that's how we know each other and
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just know him that being all around great guy. And
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we're really happy to have you here on the show today.
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I appreciate it. Brother. Thanks thanks again for having me on.
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Yeah, man, So start at the beginning.
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Tell us a little bit about how you grew up
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and how that took you towards the Navy.
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No, absolutely so.
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I grew up in a small town in rural northeast
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Missouri called Cannon's about two hours north of Saint Louis,
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and I joined the Navy nine days out of high
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school and people often asked me like, Hey, why did
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you you know, how long did you you know before
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you wanted to become a seal or this and that
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where he actually did it. And for me, I was
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twelve years old. I read the book Rogue Warrior by
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Richard Marsenko. The first commanding officer is Steal Team six,
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and I was hooked after that. So I read it
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in between the summer of my six and seventh grade
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years and so yeah, after that, that's all I wanted
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to do in my adult life growing up. So I
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joined the Navy nine days out of high school and
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then the rest is history at that point.
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And so you went in first, you know, before special operations.
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Who went as a Navy police officer? I mean, tell
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us about that.
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Yeah, so again I wanted to be a seal, but
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I guess I always like kind of joke now that
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my recruiter got me pretty good. So after nine to eleven,
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mastered arm rate the Navy cops. They were like a
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critical source rating. So I had to go to my
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first duty station for a year before I was able
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to screen for special programs. So, I mean it all
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worked out in the end, and kind of like I'll
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cover later on in the podcast, you know, I guess
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really how being at Navy cop Mastered Arms has helped
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me a lot with what I'm doing post military life.
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I never dreamt it would actually come come full circle
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the way it has. But it's it's funny how things
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has worked themselves out like that.
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Well, tell us about what that you know profession actually
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entailed that you did for a year before I go
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into the teams.
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Yeah, so it was a very heavy and physical security.
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So obviously, you know nine to eleven had already happened.
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I joined in you know, two thousand and two, you know,
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right out of high school. So Afghanistan was already underway,
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but it was racked and not you know, the invasion
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I racked and happened till March of two thousand and three.
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So little known fact.
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I think the majority of the initial Shakhanah ordinance that
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was that was dropped during the initial initial push initial
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invasion actually came from one of the one of the
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duty stations I was in physical security of, you know,
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at the time, in the in the southwestern Pacific.
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So again it was.
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Just kind of multiple, uh, you know, multiple of shifts.
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You know, we were pulling you know, constantly when they
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were bringing ordinance to the aircraft, you know, to the
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some of the aircraft of the Air Force base, but
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also on some of the carrier battle groups that were
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pulling into port. They would pretty much you know, have
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all these weapons systems stockpiled and they would uh they
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would you know, take off take off from there. Then
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once the initial invasion happened, it was just a steady
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flow of that.
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So very heavy and physical security.
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Uh, some you know law enforcement act aspect of things
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you still have, you know, you know, things you're dealing
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with on base. But really was you know a little
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different than your typical law enforcement job you know in
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the in the civilian world that you know, the men
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and women you know, who are.
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Serving the communities are sworn to protect, have to deal with.
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Yeah, I mean it's super important stuff when you're talking
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about these huge ordnance facilities and we're all aware now
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of some of these like sabotage campaigns that are across
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Europe and you get one bad actor in there and
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the whole thing goes up.
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Yeah, no, exactly exactly, So yeah, very very strategic you
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know location.
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And so you get a taste for Navy life here.
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But your dream since reading Rogue Warrior is still the
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seal teams absolutely tell us about you know, getting into
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Buds and kind of that experience.
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Yeah, so I was fortunate enough where I was at
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there was actually a Naval Special Warfare unit located over there,
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so I was able to do all my screen you
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know testing and like a a little bit of an interview.
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It really wasn't too terribly much of one to go
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to BUDS initially, but was able to get on my
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paperwork squat away passive PT test initially to get my package,
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and then when I got orders, I did one more
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PT test thirty days prior to me transferring. So from there, yeah,
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that pretty much takes me to Cornado, California, you know,
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in uh spring time of two thousand and four.
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How'd that treat you?
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I mean, the.
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Buds has definitely experience where no one wants everyonets to
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relive it again.
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So I mean, looking at it, you know as a whole,
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was just completely overwhelming.
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But when I teach a lot of like the leadership
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and team building versus now I talk about you know,
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just had to like, you know, how to eat an
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elephant one bite at a time. And I always like
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to use the buds analogy, you pretty much take it
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one evolution at a time, make it to your next meal,
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and then just you know, keep you know, always put out,
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be a good teammate, and then just you know, never
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uh you know, never never forget what the end state is,
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the end goal is. So I started with Class two
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five to two, like I said, checked in May of
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two thousand and four. Was fortunate enough to make it
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straight through with that same class. So I got to
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me through like Airborne school, and we still went to
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the Army Airborne School and then SQT and I checked
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in the Seal Team four in the fall of two
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thousand and five.
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So okay, before we move on, favorite Bud story.
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Oh gosh.
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So yeah, one of the uh one of the with
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the leadership and team building stuff I'm doing now. So
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I had this acronym, uh you know, I kind of
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you know, I heard one evening when I was on
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third phase. It's called fitfo It's saying spans for figure
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it you know you know what out you know, fit
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foam mentality. So and the backstory of that is, so
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I was on Watch, you know, twenty years old, you know,
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in third phase out of San Clemente Island, and uh,
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I mean, looking back, I was just I was just
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such a dumb ass at the time, such an immature
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kid still, you know, even though it's you know, get
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ready to graduate buds. But anyway, so I'm on watch
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one eating on the quarterdeck when the classes, you know,
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the rest of the classes asleep, and we're only getting
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maybe four or five six hours at the you know,
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very very most most of the time, it's about three
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to four hours of sleep per night. And so anyways,
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I'm on watch and I get a call from the
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from the instructor lounge, the quarterdeck area. The instructors had
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their own you know barracks, you know, birthing areas, you know,
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where they're kind of a lounge are or they can
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kind of take a little break from students when the
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work was over. And so maybe I get a call
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and it's the senior senior instructor. So uh again, he starts,
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you know, kind of proceeding to give me like an
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order of like, hey, bring so many glasses of orange juice,
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you know, some of the glass.
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And cranberry juice, you know, like ice.
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He starts having as a whole grocery list of items
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he sees want me to bring down there. I think
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they're making cocktails, of course, you know, so you know
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exact what they're doing.
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So having it's having some adult ever did so again
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just me being the dumb ass kid, you know, at.
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Twenty years old at the time, I started just coming
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up with the dumbest questions you could possibly possibly think
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of at the time. And it was as one of
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the senior chiefs, the same rank I retired as, and
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so he was a senior instructor on the on the
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island at the time. And again I started asking him like, well, well, senior,
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like where where where am I going to find those things? At?
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You know, I'm on watch and I have someone relieve me.
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And he stops me mid sentence and he says, hey, look, motherfucker,
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you better figure it.
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The fuck out or else.
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And you best to stop that mindset if you want
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to have any success in this community whatsoever.
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Click so again in that.
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Moment, not want to be the reason the class was
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woken up and putting the surf zone for surf tords here.
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We can talk about surf torture a little bit later.
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But what did I do in that moment I figured
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it the fuck out real quick. Let me tell you
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so again, I was running around, scrambling, trying to find
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stuff as fast as I could and get it over there.
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And so I finally got it all put together, not
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you know, ran it down with the instructor. Lounges, knocked
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on the door, you know, stated my name and rank
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and what I was there for, dropped it off, and
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he's like, get the fuck out of here, go back
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to the quarter deck.
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So I ran back and then enough enough said.
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But again, as funny as that story was at the time,
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looking back still to this day, is probably one of
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the biggest life lessons learned I have. It's basically the
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problem solving mindset, like you know, figuring things out. So
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and that was one hundred percent true as far as
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you have to have the fitfo to figure out the
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fuck out mentality to you know, have any success on
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the seal teams, little alone is in life in general.
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I'm still using the fitful mentality to this day as
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far as getting you know, you know, getting like keeping
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my training company up and running, getting our knife design company,
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you know, uh up over our initial release done, and
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also the some of the collateral duties I have in
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the law enforcement world, get getting my Texas Commission on
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Law Enforcement license as well. So again you we we
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could we could spend you know, hours upon hours talking
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about bud stories. That's probably one of my one of
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my favorite ones. Just as far as what still sticks
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to me to this day, one of the one of
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the life lessons learned.
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I got to ask you, you know, follow up, where
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the hell did you find cranberry juice and orange juice
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and all of this?
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A good place for it, probably of the galley, the
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chow hauling Okay, so okay, a couple are things that
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had to go elsewhere to find it. But it was,
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uh yeah, it was pretty It was more streamlined than
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I originally was worried it was gonna be.
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So uh and then you mentioned surf torture.
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Mm hmmm, yeah, So surf torture all that is it's
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just you know, it's it's a means where the instructors
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can take a little break and they just let the
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elements do the work, you know, for the class as
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far as trying to get uh get get guys to quit.
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But it's an evolution where you just lay in the
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uh lay in the uh you know, Pacific Ocean off
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you know, the the Buds Beach or wherever you're at
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if you're out in San Clemente Island.
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And again, like the water is never warm out there.
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For folks who have been in southern California, it was
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a summer hell week, So, I mean it was a
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little bit warmer, but I think mid sixties was the
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warmest the water ever did get on us. So yeah,
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just again, it's just uh, just a timeframe where the
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instructors can take a little break and just let the
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elements do the work and get guys to quit if they.
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Want to get that attrition rate down exactly, exactly, all right,
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So I won't make you tell bud stories all night here.
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Try that's the We'll both to do a separate one
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just for buds story.
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I got plenty of them, I know. I feel I
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feel like we all have more stories about selection than like,
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you know, Oliver Stone has about Vietnam, you know, yeah, exactly,
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so you check into Seal Team four, uh, tell us
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about that experience.
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other guys, other brand new guys had experienced, just because
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Team four, Uh, Seal Team four was deployed at the time,
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so as me and the rest of my you know,
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classmates from BUDS and SQT, I mean we there was
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literally like I think two seals. There was like a chief,
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you know, it was like the mastered Orange Shock kind
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of doing an administrative work and there was maybe one
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of the guys.
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So we got formed out.
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To uh to trade at the training attachment on the
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East Coast with the different cells. So I ended up
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going to the H one of the Assault sales you
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know on CQB and like the in the also mount
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the Military Operations and Urban Trains South Special Operations in
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Urban Combat. So I got to do several trips with
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them there seeing other Seal platoons from other East Coast
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teams go through.
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So again we always when we.
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Got back to UH, you know, we checked back in,
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you know, to Team four after the you know, the
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guys got back from deployment, it was you know, the
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new guy games all over again at that point, like
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we figured it was gonna be.
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But uh, it was really it was really interesting.
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I think overall, looking back, it was a good experience
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just getting to know different guys from your team and
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it's you know, being a kind of role players out
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for for them and just kind of actually doing some
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of the runs with them as well. So it really,
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at least for me, that definitely helped out just kind
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of get a jump start on at least the assault
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seek be portion.
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A little bit of uh O j T before you
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really started.
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No exactly exactly, so it was good. It was really
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good overall.
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So the guys come back, and at what point do
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you get put on a platoon?
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So almost immediately we were we were pretty much we're
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gonna be slated.
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I knew I was going to three troop and uh
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in a fox drop platoon, so uh sorry echo platoon echotune.
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I ended up switching on my second go round.
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But yeah, so we knew what platoon what you know,
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troop you're going to is called tasking at the time,
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we uh it transferred over to troops right after that.
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But uh again, you know, looking back, it was, you know,
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like the guys came back in for like flate fall
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time frames. We had a couple of months of of
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kind of like you know, the pro dead professional development.
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We didn't have a whole lot going on, and after
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the first of the year we start our UoT our
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unit level training. So we were hitting the road early,
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you know, you know of two thousand and six, you know,
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we were, uh, we were you know, going to Fort Chaffee,
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you know, in other places. You know, it's UNDO our
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ground Mobility out in the out in the Nevada area,
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one of our training sites. So it was just a
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NonStop and it's I mean still to this day, I
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still have a crazy work schedule and you know, with
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what I'm doing and kind of people tell me. I
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asked me like, how do you how do you like,
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you know, travel so much. It's like it's all I've
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known since two thousand and five. I've never been in
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one location more than like six months out of the year. So, uh,
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it's just a constant, a constant flow. It's I guess
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I'm just you know, used to it. So that's all
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I know now. So I don't know what I would
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do if I was, you know, in some place for
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several months. Trade I know, if I was home here,
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I would absolutely drive my wife and saying, you know.
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I want to ask you, you know, like what type
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of dudes land on a seal platoon? Like who are
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some of these guys. You know, you don't have to
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mention anyone by name if you don't want to, But like,
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what are these personalities?
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Like, I mean, it's.
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Definitely type A personalities across the board. You know, that's
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kind of be expected. You know, you have to be,
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you know, a type A to have any success in
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the seal teams. Really, like everyone had, you know, somewhat
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of an athletic background, some more than others. Definitely, everyone
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had like a huge sense of patriotism, camaraderie and just
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wanted to really be a member of the of the team.
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Look down to the individual.
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Shooter level, the platoon level, you know, tasking a troop
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level across the board. So I just, like I say,
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highly motivated, very for the most part, you know, very
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I mean, at what point did you find out where
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you guys were deploying to.
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It wasn't until I want to say, probably springtime.
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We deployed the fall of two thousand and six. So yeah,
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my first one was to Felujah, Iraq.
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So oh wow.
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It was a you know a little a little bit
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like your average you know, a little over six months deployment.
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We had a condensed you know, UoT and.
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PRODEV and also said, you know, let's throat into integrations
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training just because of like kind of the deployment cycle.
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I After that we went back to like the East
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and West Coast teams went back to two year like
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you know, all every six months.
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It was pretty got back from deployments.
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It was pro DEEV, then u l T Unit level training,
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the you know kind of squatter integration training but still
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called that, and then deployment. So but we only we
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were on eighteen month cycles. It was just that much
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that much faster.
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So you guys got to Fallujah, if my uh chronology
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is right, a little bit after the Marines went in there,
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and kind of like cleaned the place out absolutely. So
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what was it like when you arrived in Fallujah sort of?
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What was the atmospherics?
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Well, I mean, the guys that were already in country
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coming to convoy to pick us up, you know, on
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the humbies and other other armory equipment got hit by
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I D and our our lead Turt Gunner got you know,
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fragged pretty good from it. So that was kind of
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a it was kind of like, hey, you know, all
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the new guys, welcome, Welcome to Iraq. You know you're
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in the war zone now this we're playing for keep.
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So that was definitely you know, not that I didn't
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I wasn't already thinking that to begin with, but yeah,
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it definitely kind of was a realization immediately right when
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we uh, right when we permitted at the deck saying
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like hey, you're you know, the guy in the airfield
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had already you know, gotten word you know, some of
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it from our our Joint Operations Center had like let
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them know that, Hey, like a convoy's gonna be late
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because they got hit with an I D and they
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had to do a you know, a cast a back bird,
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you know, casualty evacuation bird for our lead turt.
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Gunner and what was the mission like when you guys
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got there.
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We were training, but it was mostly direct action raids
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we were doing. So they wanted us to have, you know,
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so many Iraqis they would take, we would take out
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with them, or they could take out with us. And
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so they had like a couple of guys doing the
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training of them and another guy. The rest of the
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guys were doing operations, you know, some some like kind
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of sniper over on stuff. It was mostly like it
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was the direct raid, the kill capture operations.
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We were doing.
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Any that kind of stand out in your mind.
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I mean, there were several of them that definitely, uh
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definitely you know, could have got a little little little sporty,
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little spicy, But it wasn't until after I left because
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I was on the first rit bird out and the
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read from Place bird and then so I was like
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probably about half of our platoon or half of our troop,
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other guys from Team ten and contingent.
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That we're gonna be ripping ripping out with us.
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Uh.
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So they uh, they went out on target with the
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rest of our guys, and then a good buddy of
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mine was killed that you know, evening literally like a day.
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After we left.
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So that one, I, you know, I talk about that
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every so often a little bit at that one still
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kind of stings this day as far as you know,
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cause we hit just so many compounds over the UH
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over the course that six months, and then sure enough,
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you know, we lose we lose a guy in one
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of the last ops you know of the UH of
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the deployment, let alone with not even like almost you know,
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almost half the.
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Guys being gone not there for either.
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So uh, you know, kind of looking back, I say,
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if I could have I told this story before as well,
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if I could have one redo in my entire career,
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I would go back and ask not to be on
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you know, the first rip bird flight out because again
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I totally understand like my leadership point of view, because
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I would I would definitely would wanted to. I wanted
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to stay, but I was gonna be going to sniper school,
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you know, within like you know, less than a month
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of getting back, and then straight into lead preacher explosive
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breaching school. So my professional development I was and be
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gone for a good portion of it, so ended up
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ended up you know, taking you being my first deployment
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with a busy prod of being one of the first
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guys that had rip out you know, which again it.
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Was about half of us.
490
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But if I could have you know, I said, I
491
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could have one redo over again, I would turn back
492
00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.279
time and make sure I was on that off for
493
00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:18.279
when everything went down.
494
00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:19.759
Yeah. That sucks, man.
495
00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:21.759
It always seems like it's the last damn mission on
496
00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:22.359
the deployment.
497
00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:24.480
Yeah, exactly.
498
00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:26.359
So, yeah, we had a guy you know, you know,
499
00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:28.200
you get fragged pretty good, you know, from the I
500
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D first, uh, you know first, you know, and one
501
00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:33.720
of the I think maybe the first night we were
502
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in country.
503
00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:36.759
I think it was the second convoy they did overall.
504
00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:39.400
And then yeah, like in the direct action right, they
505
00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:41.440
were going after a group of all kind of militants
506
00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:43.839
that shut down an American helicopter the previous day.
507
00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:46.160
So it was just just bad. But hey, you know,
508
00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:48.480
I'm bringing lessons learned, life lessons learn at that point.
509
00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:51.279
Yeah, man. And so you get back and go to
510
00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:54.079
the Sniper Corps. Is that the one in Indiana?
511
00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:54.920
Yes?
512
00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:56.440
Great, Yeah, so some of it's you know, they do
513
00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:58.160
like the East and West coast will do like they're
514
00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:00.359
again it's different now. I think it's all like one
515
00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:02.920
big school, but like you know picked like photo image capture,
516
00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:05.200
and they had like the scout it's almost like a SNYP,
517
00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:07.880
you know, scout sniper like sniper light and then if
518
00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:09.880
you pass both those then you would go on to
519
00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:15.519
the full you know, sniper training pipeline in UH in Indiana.
520
00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:17.559
And what was the sniper course like.
521
00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:20.119
It was definitely challenging.
522
00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:24.200
I mean, honestly, the shooting itself was was was you
523
00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:26.160
know hard at times, but it was the easiest. It
524
00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:27.960
was like some of the stocking. Just the overall like
525
00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:28.680
field craft.
526
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You know.
527
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I was you know, born and raised, like I said,
528
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in rural northeast Missouri, so I spent plenty of time
529
00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:34.559
out in the field, you know, hunting and into it
530
00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.880
just like my grandparents, you know farm they had UH
531
00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:40.200
in rural northeast Missouri close to where I grew up.
532
00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:43.000
But it just the overall like field craft and like
533
00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:47.559
being you know, you know, covert clandestine about things too,
534
00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:49.279
is probably one of the biggest things.
535
00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:50.680
Again, the shooting.
536
00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:53.960
Stuff was was challenging by all means, but I'd say
537
00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:56.519
like the actual field craft for me, especially some of
538
00:21:56.559 --> 00:21:58.599
the stocking was what I uh, you.
539
00:21:58.480 --> 00:21:59.759
Know, it was the most challenging.
540
00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.160
And at that time where you guys still like building
541
00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:06.519
out the big bear suits, the Gilly suits and oh
542
00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:07.200
yeah yeah you.
543
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Had your Gilly Gilly shawl, your Gilly Gilly suit. You know,
544
00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:12.079
had had several different options depending on what you wanted
545
00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:16.400
to wear. So again, like we were fortunate enough, I
546
00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:18.240
was going through in the summertime frame, so we had
547
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know thick vegetation.
548
00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:20.880
It was a whole lot easier than guys.
549
00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:22.599
That have to go through in the the winter time
550
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with no folage everything else. Of course, we got to
551
00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:27.240
worry about poison ivy at that point in time. I think,
552
00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:29.079
you know, probably two thirds of the class ended up
553
00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:31.799
getting poison ivy really bad. But again just the price
554
00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:33.359
of doing business. It's the nature of the beast.
555
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:37.920
So biggest takeaway from sniper school, aside from stalking, I
556
00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:40.559
guess tactical patients.
557
00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:45.200
Definitely learned tactical patients there, you know, in an extreme way.
558
00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:47.279
So in your you know, doing your stock, you're in
559
00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:49.839
your high sight. You're just waiting for that right moment
560
00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:53.000
to h when you need to uh we need to
561
00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:54.799
execute when you need to do it, do an engagement,
562
00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:58.480
I'd tell yeah, definitely, Tactical patients was the overall biggest
563
00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:01.319
lessons learned in theme from going to snipers.
564
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School, and then I think you mentioned was there a
565
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master Breacher course.
566
00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:07.920
Yeah, so I went to like lead breacher course after that,
567
00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:09.680
and again, like guys were saying, like, hey, that makes
568
00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:11.359
some of the older guys that make no sense, you know,
569
00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:14.119
because usually like the snipers were doing their own thing, breachers.
570
00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:14.680
Would do their own thing.
571
00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:16.880
But again I was just kind of dual trained where
572
00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:18.799
I could be the lead breacher on an op or
573
00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:21.079
I could you know, be the sniper role doing the
574
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:23.680
sniper Overwatch or some of the you know kind of
575
00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:26.200
like longer containment you know, operations.
576
00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:26.039
We would do.
577
00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:28.839
How do you like the breacher course?
578
00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:31.920
It was fun? I mean, explosives are always fun, you know,
579
00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:32.759
no matter what.
580
00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:35.400
So again, really I like the breaching aspect is the
581
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:37.519
problem solving because they go, you know, just you you
582
00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:39.559
truly learned to kind of really like be able to
583
00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:41.799
like read the door when you like to, you know,
584
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:43.799
you do like you you know, calculation of what's charge
585
00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:45.680
you know, our charges you need ahead of time.
586
00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:47.400
You know, I have it, you know, through your specific
587
00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:48.839
you know sps for one and something.
588
00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:50.160
There's a little bit of a you know, a little
589
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bit of leeway on what exactly you could use. So
590
00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:55.599
it was definitely kind of the ultimate you know, problem
591
00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:58.440
solving in the moment, figuring out which charge you use,
592
00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:01.119
how much explosive net weight you have, and then even
593
00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:04.599
what type of explosives and kind of going from UH
594
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from there, just you know, using your uh, using your
595
00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:10.079
trade craft, you know, when you're out out on operations.
596
00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.640
At this point in time, I guess we're still in
597
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like two thousand and six, two thousand and seven. Around then,
598
00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:21.000
was the training starting to move more towards like urban
599
00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:23.680
environment to sort of simulate the environment you guys were
600
00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:25.960
going into or were still like trying to blow down
601
00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:28.079
trees to build an apty and that kind of thing.
602
00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.480
It was definitely heavy in the h the urban aspect
603
00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:33.559
of things, but we still never went away from the
604
00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:36.960
field craft you know aspect as well though, especially what
605
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:39.079
happened in the you know, a summer of two thousand
606
00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:41.920
and five in Afghanistan with the UH you know, the
607
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.680
the loan survivor incident with the you know, the you know,
608
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:48.599
upper Red Wings on that one. So yeah, again, always
609
00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:50.559
lessons learned on that one, because yeah, we were doing
610
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:52.839
a lot of direct action rates and more built up areas,
611
00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:54.839
but we still could find ourselves out in a rural
612
00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:58.039
environment or even a rule into an urban environment, uh
613
00:24:58.079 --> 00:24:59.319
and getting an engagement there.
614
00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:02.480
So definitely definitely.
615
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.480
Had to be proficient in all aspects of the operation
616
00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:05.480
you could come across.
617
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.720
So you're you're moving along at a pretty steady clip
618
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:12.119
here as a young seal going from being doing your
619
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:16.400
first platoon sniper breacher and then going back to your
620
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:19.359
platoon and going through the whole train up cycle again.
621
00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.200
Yeah, correct, And the actually I did an augment with
622
00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:26.039
Seal Team eight as well to Iraq for a little
623
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:27.680
bit when we were doing some of the counter on
624
00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:30.319
rating insurgency stuff you know, back during that time frame.
625
00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:32.640
So yeah, I ended up doing a little bit of
626
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:33.319
an augment with them.
627
00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:36.240
It was a good experience, and then deployed again the
628
00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:39.359
fall of two thousand and eight to back to Iraq,
629
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:43.400
and you know, it was different, different troop than a
630
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:45.519
while I was assigned to initially, but there was like
631
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.759
a contingent of guys from our troop that we're gonna
632
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.079
go augment the guys of our troop, and then our
633
00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:53.319
troop was in kind of doing the Yukom deployment. So
634
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:56.119
that was that was actually again it all worked out.
635
00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:57.720
It would have been nice to stay longer in the
636
00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:00.480
in the war zone and get more experience, but you know,
637
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:02.680
being able to do some of the stuff throughout throughout
638
00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:04.720
Europe and really kind of get get ready for our
639
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:06.960
selection course for for the command coming up.
640
00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:08.480
You know, I started in two thousand and nine.
641
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.079
So tell us a little bit about the counter Iran
642
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:13.160
mission because that's a that's an interesting one.
643
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:13.960
Yeah.
644
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:16.480
So it's I mean, obviously Al Qaida, Iraq, you know,
645
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:18.279
they were the they were the big, you know, big
646
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:20.559
ones there going after. But this had such a negative
647
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:22.839
Iranian influence, especially some of the areas where we were
648
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:25.480
working around, like the you know, the eastern eastern side
649
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:29.039
of Iraq and also even Bagdad itself. So I know
650
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.200
a lot of guys who did uh you know operations
651
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.359
in Solder City. You know, it was pretty much you know,
652
00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:36.240
the slums of Baghdad. I mean, most a lot of
653
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.160
guys that did any work around Bagdat are familiar with
654
00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:40.720
Solder City, UH and it really it was some of
655
00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:45.000
the some of the like the explosives that like they're
656
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:47.400
you know, they were coming up with. The Iranians were
657
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:49.799
coming up with specifically designed to defeat some of our
658
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.720
armor systems. So we were we were on hot and heavy,
659
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:55.799
you know, doing the Accounter Iran Iranian you know, insertaincy mission.
660
00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:57.839
So you guys were trying to like disrupt the i e.
661
00:26:57.960 --> 00:26:58.680
D networks.
662
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:00.880
Yes, that was a biggest thing. You know, we got
663
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:02.599
up a lot of like the financiers and like the
664
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:06.000
senior leaders. But again it's just you know, the more
665
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:07.920
the more you know, operations we would do. It was
666
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:10.680
pretty It's pretty crazy to see just how how some
667
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:13.440
of these senior leaders you know that the counter Iranian
668
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.720
are they the Iranian surgency were tied in with the
669
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:20.000
UH current government in Iraq. It was probably a sticky
670
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:23.279
situation all around, depending on depending on what you know,
671
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:24.359
part of the country you're in.
672
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.119
Yeah, how did the politics interfere with your operation? I
673
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:30.519
mean sort of the local politics, like did they try
674
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:32.720
to like shut down some of these missions or did
675
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:33.519
you run into.
676
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:36.039
That they tried to a little bit, but it seemed
677
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.599
like we were definitely were we were insulated from from
678
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:40.960
a lot of that aspect of things, just because it
679
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.400
was it was so important the time, and like I,
680
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:45.519
RACK had already been kind of spiraling out of control
681
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:47.559
for for a while from probably you know, two thousand
682
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:49.599
and five on, and didn't you know, even if you
683
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:52.359
wantn't call it stabilized, it didn't really didn't stabilize till like,
684
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.480
you know, twenty ten, twenty eleven. And then obviously during
685
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:57.640
the troop wud draw, the whole world saw that under
686
00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:00.279
the UH, under the current administration at the time, when
687
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:01.799
they are going to pull everyone out, and then like
688
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.079
little Isis just came in there and started wrecking shop.
689
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:07.880
And then sure enough, contingent of UH Special Operations were
690
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.880
right back in there saving you know, you know, saving
691
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:13.720
what was left of Iraq at the time.
692
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:20.400
And then you mentioned going over to European Command. Mm hmm,
693
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:23.319
what what were you guys up to over there?
694
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:25.599
So we were doing a lot of like just training
695
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:26.720
operations more than anything.
696
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.720
It's like bi lads, like bilateral exchanges other UH I
697
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.200
can't I can't remember some of the acronyms, but it
698
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:34.960
was basically like working with our.
699
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:36.119
Our NATO allies over there.
700
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.480
So I went to Poland for for a solid month,
701
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:40.880
you know, work with the Polish DROM awesome, awesome dudes.
702
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:42.920
And it went to Estonia for three weeks after that,
703
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:44.799
you know, within a matter of a couple of days.
704
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:46.960
So again, really good experience.
705
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:49.200
And uh you always have like your you know, your
706
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.000
embassy evacuation that could could come up, you know, you
707
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:54.960
could you out of there among other operations, but really
708
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.400
you more than anything focusing on training and then for
709
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.000
me just getting you know, making sure I was in
710
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.759
good shape and right, you know, mindset, getting ready to
711
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.279
start the selection process for the command coming up.
712
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:05.519
Oh yeah, what was it?
713
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:08.079
What was it like working with some of the NATO partners, Like,
714
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.440
I mean, Groham is known to be very professional. The
715
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:13.920
the Baltic States also are known to be pretty hardcore.
716
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:16.880
Yeah, no, like I would, I would deploy with the
717
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:18.519
Graham guys in a heartbeat.
718
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.000
You know, And I was, uh, you know, kind of
719
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.640
fast forward years later, I did a little exchange with
720
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.160
the SBS guys and I was gonna be deployed with
721
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.240
them when I was a team leader at the at
722
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:28.960
the command and one of the squadrons, and I was
723
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.039
having to have one of my of my junior guys
724
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:33.880
go with me as well, but that didn't getting shut down.
725
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.000
Let our shut off last minute, which is a which
726
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:38.200
was a bummer. Like I told guys before, there's again
727
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.519
there's two units I really would like to have deployed with.
728
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.480
Number one is our Delta Forest you know brothers, you know,
729
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.200
our counterparts from the army, and then and then also
730
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:49.920
our our SBS, you know, our UK brothers as well.
731
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.400
So I had like we we had it all lined up,
732
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.680
but at the same timeframe we were gonna be uh
733
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:57.839
you know, having it having a contingent of our of
734
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:00.319
our troop deployed with some of the de boys down
735
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.759
you know, south from where we were at. But again
736
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:04.880
it got with the some of the manning issues and
737
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.759
kind of like the withdrawing of forces. You know, they
738
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.559
didn't even deploy all their guys, so we were the
739
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:12.079
first ones to get cut. But like my number two,
740
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.279
my assistant team leader, he just deployed with the strike
741
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:16.039
for us too, you know, doing like the Iraq you
742
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.319
know in Syria, you know, kind of direct actual age.
743
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:20.799
And now he said that was one of his best
744
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:24.039
deployments he ever had. So the guys were great, super talented.
745
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:26.599
You know, it's just very again looking back, if I could,
746
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.279
I would really like to have, you know, one ended
747
00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:30.519
up deployment with them, and then also deployment with our
748
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.960
our SBS brothers which came close both times, were with
749
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:36.880
both units, but just didn't didn't know. It wasn't quite
750
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:39.559
how the cards were gonna fall for us unfortunately.
751
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:44.319
So it sounds like in this time you're already thinking
752
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:48.960
about screening for the command. You had this you had
753
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.480
this idea in mind really since the moment you joined
754
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:53.559
the Navy. It sounds like exactly.
755
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:54.480
Like I said, like when I from I was twelve
756
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.680
years old when I read read the book Rogue Warrior Senko.
757
00:30:58.039 --> 00:30:59.759
So yeah, I screened in the summer of two thousand
758
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.559
and eight, you know, screen positive. It was made uh
759
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.519
still a team for the rest of my deployment cycle there.
760
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.440
Like I mentioned before, I deployed Iraq and then you
761
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:09.920
come for a little bit and then checked in to
762
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.960
start a start the selection course in the springtime of
763
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:14.039
two thousand and nine.
764
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:17.200
Uh so what was the screening process like.
765
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.880
Again, it's you know, you know, PT is obviously a
766
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.759
big factor on there. But like when when guys you know,
767
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.039
ask me what what was harder? You know, like you know,
768
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.039
a green team, the selection course for development group or
769
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.720
or BUDS uh met personally for me, I would rather
770
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:35.920
do at a minimum, I would do first phase of
771
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.720
BUDS including helliwek again before I did the six weeks
772
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:41.839
of the basic you know, close quarter battles. Fa. Yeah,
773
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.279
just again, it's looking back, it's all the stress you
774
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:46.680
put on yourself, you know again, like it's you're you're
775
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:50.319
not learning anything that it's technically some stuff, it's new, yes,
776
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:53.240
but the instructors are demonstrating and telling you only once,
777
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:55.680
but they're telling you exactly how you want they want
778
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.039
you to do it, and then this perfection is demanded
779
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:00.279
and then so again you're doing you know, hell, just
780
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.240
pets of a morning for you know, a couple several
781
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:04.559
hours and you're just getting right into doing the house
782
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:06.440
run after a house wrong and a run, and then
783
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:08.759
classes divide in the half half guys in the house,
784
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.039
half the guys in the range doing drills, and we
785
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:12.559
would flip flop in the afternoon.
786
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.359
So yeah, I've heard guys say even even dudes that
787
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.720
are not super fond of the Seals, say at Development
788
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.759
Group they have a very robust, you know, counter terrorism
789
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:23.960
CQB program.
790
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.400
Yeah, So again it's it's that's one of the biggest
791
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:28.279
things we are judged on.
792
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:29.720
I mean, yes, you have to have other you have
793
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:30.720
to be confident in other you.
794
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:35.359
Know, core seal skills skill sets, but the CQB aspect,
795
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.000
you know, again like kind of people ask me all
796
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:39.599
the time in the civilian world, what's CK be mean?
797
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.240
Like at this like room clearing, you know, like structure clearing,
798
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:44.519
you know, how to do it safely with potentially you know,
799
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:46.559
you know, heavily armed packs inside there too.
800
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:48.759
And again this you know kind of you know, coming
801
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:49.440
full circle.
802
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.720
Never when I was going through the selection and then
803
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.480
you know, you know, just doing you all, you know,
804
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:56.960
staying on the on the deployment grind at the command.
805
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.359
I never thought, you know, it would it would off
806
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:02.880
the way it has post military life, being able to
807
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.079
do something I'm doing with the civilian law enforcement training.
808
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.559
So again, yeah, it's just kind of funny looking back,
809
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.319
you know, the you know, twenty plus years, all the
810
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:12.279
lessons learned, just kind of how I where I got
811
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:14.440
to where I'm at today, and it's all just kind
812
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:15.519
of the cards is fill in.
813
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.319
Place, you know, one one by one over over the years.
814
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:23.039
So other than the CQB, what other kinds of training
815
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.160
do you go through in Green platoon as you're kind
816
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.960
of getting spun up for you know the top level.
817
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.200
Yeah, so you're doing you're doing you know, integration stuff
818
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:33.880
with the the one sixtieth you know, the helicopter you know,
819
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:37.039
squad of the one sixtieth Special Operations Aviation Regiment. So
820
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.519
again you talk about guys that are the top of
821
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.079
their their tradecraft right there.
822
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:43.039
The guys are absolutely phenomenal, from.
823
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.200
Forty seven pilots to the you know the Hawks, the
824
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.039
little birds, you know, to mention all the adapts, the
825
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:51.079
direct action penetrators, you know crew for the Blackhawks rigged
826
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:53.960
as gunships and also the a's the AH six is.
827
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:56.640
So doing a lot a lot of integration stuff with
828
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.119
them on certain aspects, and then you're doing quite a
829
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.960
bit of a jumping skydiving with certain like military freefall profiles.
830
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:08.559
So against I say probably besides the CV portion jumping,
831
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:10.599
we usually get a couple of guys per class as
832
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.800
well that cannot meet the standards and have to either
833
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.360
get recycled through or they they go back to their
834
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:18.519
you know, their original command, you know, within the sealed
835
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:19.480
teams they came from.
836
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:21.840
What do you think it is that gets them on
837
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:22.840
the free fall course?
838
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.039
Usually it's zing out the exits. And I mean I've
839
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:28.280
told this guys before too. I had a fairly healthy
840
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.559
fear of jumping, like one of the biggest I guess
841
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.360
failures if you want to talk about, you know, I
842
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:35.079
wouldmit during my career, I went to O Tai Lake's
843
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.199
military free fall school that the Navy put on and
844
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:39.079
I failed out of it.
845
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:40.559
So I was ze in the exit.
846
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:42.639
So and that was definitely in the back of my mind,
847
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:44.760
you know, going through our green team the selection course
848
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.239
when we were doing our uh are jumping there.
849
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.000
But again it is just and I.
850
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:51.519
Think I hopefully I was able to help a few
851
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:53.360
guys that were struggling potentially as well.
852
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:54.280
Throughout the years.
853
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.639
It wasn't until I truly understood the relative wind and
854
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.000
how you're exiting the aircraft, whether it's a side door
855
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.039
or a ramp, and either you're symmetrical or you not,
856
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:04.519
and how you like an arch you know, I can
857
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.360
hit the relative wind is what really kind of like
858
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:08.880
it just it just all clicked for me at one
859
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:10.800
point in time. So again I was still you know,
860
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:12.960
struggled a little bit, do you know, during a selection
861
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:14.960
course for the command not doing the jumping stuff. But
862
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:16.840
I was able to end up going making it through.
863
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:18.519
But it wasn't until I got to the squadron and
864
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:21.079
start doing a lot of jumping to where I was like, okay,
865
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.760
it all it's all starting to make sense now as well,
866
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:25.480
and even more so when I went to like freefall
867
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.039
jump Master school and definitely kind of like tied everything
868
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:29.679
in together at me.
869
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:31.440
And so when I was getting ready to turn.
870
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:33.960
Over my team with the incoming team leader actually one
871
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:35.880
of my guys, you know, it was really awesome dude
872
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:36.760
I had a lot of respect for.
873
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:37.960
But I kind of.
874
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.039
Recommended that to him because he was he was you know,
875
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:42.440
he was proficient at jumping, but you can just tell
876
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:45.320
he just was not as confident as I would like
877
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.159
to see him, you know and be. And then so
878
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:48.840
I kind of suggested that to him and say, hey, man,
879
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.400
I would really I would really go, you know, recommend
880
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.039
you go through military you know, the freefall GM at
881
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:55.920
some point in time jump master school.
882
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:59.039
The Command puts on just because I think it will
883
00:35:59.039 --> 00:35:59.960
help tie things.
884
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:01.599
In to do a lot a lot, but you know,
885
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.679
better better for you, and you'll just be more confident jumping.
886
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:06.800
And He's like, and the only reason why I notice,
887
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:08.199
you know, I don't think you have, you know, as
888
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:11.000
much confidence as you could have because I was you about,
889
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:12.639
you know, six seven years prior to that.
890
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.199
So uh, hopefully, hopefully I was a semi positive.
891
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:18.719
Influence on him as far as that that aspect.
892
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:24.199
And after getting through all this training, you signed into
893
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.920
the command. Uh, now you're now you're in the big leagues.
894
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:27.079
Man.
895
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.119
What's it like making that jump from a seal team
896
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:31.480
to development group?
897
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.800
And so people ask me that a lot, like what's
898
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:34.480
the difference? You know?
899
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.280
So you know, I mean Steal Team four versus you know,
900
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.320
like Team five or even you know obviously the command
901
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:39.559
you know de gu Steal Team six.
902
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:40.920
So I would.
903
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:42.880
Say this, So if you have you know, two or
904
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:46.800
three platoons deployment cycles underneath your belt and the you know,
905
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:49.280
the East and West Coast Seal teams or STV Team
906
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.880
one still Delivery Vehicle Team one, you're considered like a
907
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:56.119
very experienced guy, Whereas again I did my two platoons,
908
00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:00.519
you know, started the selection process going through a through
909
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:02.559
Green Team, and then I get to my you know, squadron,
910
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:04.559
and I spent the majority of my career out over there,
911
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:06.159
and I was a brand new guy again.
912
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.719
You know. It's just like literally I was like the
913
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:08.599
least experience.
914
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:11.159
So I just I think it's over all the experience level,
915
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:14.800
just the mission set itself, and just really like the
916
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.920
for the selection process, you know, on Green Team, it's
917
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.840
just perfection is demanded, you know, and it's they have
918
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.440
so many, so many you know, just you know sets
919
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:25.719
of eyes watching you, like you really can't get away
920
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:27.960
with with a whole lot, especially early on doing some
921
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.159
of the the initial readout phase of things.
922
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:31.559
So I'd say just over.
923
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:33.719
Again, it's it's it's like when I was having my
924
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.239
interview board, you know, when I was doing like my
925
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.119
screener initially to try to get orders to go, uh
926
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:41.719
to go to Green Team, go through the Command selection process.
927
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:44.519
I kind of like on my interview paper work, like
928
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.119
I said like, hey, like why do you want to
929
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:48.480
come to Command. I'm like, it's it's the natural progression
930
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.199
for strong operators to to kind of just keep keep
931
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.119
going up in that that trajectory. So again, like the
932
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:56.800
quite a few guys I know on the East and
933
00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:57.519
West Coast team is.
934
00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:59.119
Definitely kind of plateaued out a little bit.
935
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.519
They had the talent level, they definitely could have went
936
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:04.280
to the command and been very successful over there. So
937
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.519
again it's just, you know, it's it's just when one
938
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.840
big competition as far as you know, the trajectory up
939
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.840
as far as experienced level goes. And again it's just
940
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:13.519
you know, you're you're you know, you're one of the
941
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:15.639
tier one units. You know you're gonna be, you know,
942
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:17.480
to be getting the call when things really you know,
943
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:19.000
when shit really hits the fan or some of the
944
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:20.679
higher profile operations happened.
945
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:23.000
And so.
946
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:27.000
What's it like, I mean, you've partially answered this, I think,
947
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.719
but already like, like, what's it like getting to a squadron?
948
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.039
And again, I imagine all of these guys are A
949
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.320
type personalities, like they're super dialed in, super intense all
950
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:36.719
the time.
951
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.000
What's it like hitting the ground running on a squadron?
952
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.440
So even to your point, Jack, even more as far
953
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.559
as hitting the ground running, So like I was just
954
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:48.639
our squadron was deployed when we when we got through
955
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:51.679
our our selection process. So yeah, like the command master chief,
956
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:53.320
he wanted us to take the holidays off, so ra
957
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.360
after the first year, we deployed overseas with a squadron.
958
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:58.960
So uh, again you talk about just being thrown right
959
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:00.760
to the fire and being like you are a Tier
960
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:02.960
one operator like you are, you are expected to know,
961
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:03.400
you know.
962
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:04.039
What's going on.
963
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:09.079
So it's definitely definitely you know a lot of things
964
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:12.880
we've you know, covered some and Green Team, but but
965
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:14.079
not to the extent with.
966
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:15.039
The high level of training.
967
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.119
And again just talk about the experience level you know,
968
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:19.480
from like you know, the troop chief, you know, the
969
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:22.280
team leaders on down. It's just like I've told so
970
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:24.639
many people this before too, Like looking back, it took
971
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.719
me a couple of years to get removed, you know,
972
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:28.360
kind of in the in the civilian world and kind
973
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.679
of looking back and like that, the talent level that
974
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.199
that place possesses is unreal. Everything from like the operators
975
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.280
you know, like you know, the leadership, the you know,
976
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.559
even like the supporting assets you know, all the different
977
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.880
different various departments like everyone at that at that place,
978
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.119
at that command is truly at the the tip of
979
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:48.119
the spear, at the top of their game and in
980
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:51.400
all facets. So if you're not, you can't pull your weight.
981
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:52.159
You have to move on.
982
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:58.760
So all right, So tell us about gearing up for
983
00:39:58.800 --> 00:39:59.599
that first deployment.
984
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.320
Oh gosh, again, it was we went through the selection
985
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:05.679
process and any through and the little time you know,
986
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.119
for the holidays, and then it was it was, you know,
987
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:13.239
I think the second no, it was, it was, you know,
988
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.440
I guess it was a couple of days after the first. Yeah,
989
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.960
we we caught a rotator bird and and I'm over
990
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.679
there and flew over and joined our joined our squadron.
991
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.679
So it was you know, kind of what I what
992
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:25.960
I we were kind of talked about, you know, where
993
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.000
we were told, you know, what was gonna be expected
994
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.239
of us and everything everything else.
995
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.800
So it was it was quite the experience, you know,
996
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:33.239
I mean.
997
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.079
Definitely, you know, just you talk about just you know,
998
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.159
walking in some place where you are just you know,
999
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:40.519
you feel so small, even though you just went through
1000
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:42.159
one of you know, considered one of the hardest selection
1001
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.360
you know courses in the US military, you still feel
1002
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.440
like you don't know anything, you know, when you're there
1003
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:48.119
just because of the.
1004
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:51.960
Talent level of guys that are that that you're working
1005
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.320
with U.
1006
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:57.679
And I mean is again the big jump from the
1007
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.280
sealed teams to development group is that now you guys
1008
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:03.760
are charged with going after like nation level hvts as
1009
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.159
opposed to like these are the bad guys in town.
1010
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:08.840
Yeah, I say, like a lot of like the national
1011
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:10.840
being like one of the national mission forces. It's it
1012
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:13.320
just gets ups the game that much. And also the scrutiny,
1013
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:17.039
the scrutiny that comes with it as well. So yeah,
1014
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:18.719
like I said, like when we were going through Green Team,
1015
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:21.320
perfection was demanded, and yeah I was, you know, perfection
1016
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.360
was demanded in the squadrons, you know, to the to
1017
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.039
the highest extent for ever, from your team leader, from
1018
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:29.079
you know, your your other senior leaders, all the way
1019
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.320
down to you know the guys that were just you
1020
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.239
know a year or two you know ahead of you
1021
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.840
as far as as you know time in the command.
1022
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:37.480
You know, you just you don't you don't let your
1023
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:39.760
teammates down. Like when I talk about some of the
1024
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.519
leadership and team building aspects, you know, I covered in
1025
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:44.840
the civilian world and some of the domestic law enforcement
1026
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.719
world too. But I talk about peer pressure, peer pressure
1027
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:50.039
being the ultimate double edged sword, you know, like where
1028
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.719
you had guys that were you know, like we're negative
1029
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.639
peer pressure completely I saw like just ruined, derailed, you know,
1030
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.840
completely derailed careers you know before that matter. But then
1031
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:04.239
positive peer pressure like okay, you can accomplish extraordinary feats
1032
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:06.639
just because you don't want to let your teammates down.
1033
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:10.159
So again, like Doug about the ultimate ultimate double edged sword. Yeah,
1034
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:11.559
or peer pressure, it could.
1035
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:13.199
Be a be a hell of a hell of a
1036
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:14.920
positive or an extreme negative.
1037
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:19.239
Yeah, there's the pressure, but there's also the aspect of
1038
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:21.599
like you're my boy, Blue, you got this, you.
1039
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:23.519
Know exactly you don't you don't want to let your
1040
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:24.280
teammates down.
1041
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:26.920
Yeah.
1042
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.719
Can you say where you went on that first trip?
1043
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:31.760
It was an East East East Afghanistan. It was one
1044
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:34.000
of the one of the strike forces over there. So
1045
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.559
with the with with the squadron, I was.
1046
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:41.480
In cool and from that timeframe, like now that you're
1047
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.360
in the big leagues, any missions that kind of like
1048
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.519
jump out at you that were interesting or noteworthy.
1049
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:50.000
Yeah, So we did several diployments to Afghanistan. The roys
1050
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.000
could be spicy at a moment's notice. But for me,
1051
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:54.719
I was I was very fortunate if I was in
1052
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:57.880
the troop that conducted the Justin Bichannan hostage rescue raid
1053
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.320
in Somalia in January of twenty two Will though, again
1054
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.280
it was just just how it worked out with the rotation. Again,
1055
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.079
very very fortunate. Everything went very well that night. It
1056
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.880
could not have gone near nearly as well as it did.
1057
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:12.039
And uh, I'm just out of respect for the for
1058
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:14.039
the guys you know, still going in harm's way doing
1059
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:14.400
the job.
1060
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.079
I really don't like to cover very you know, you.
1061
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.599
Know, the specifics of the operation, but I do like
1062
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:21.280
to talk about a lot of the lessons learned. I'll
1063
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.440
do that a lot when I'm teaching in the Law Enforcements,
1064
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:25.360
but I'll just close a little more in a closed,
1065
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:27.760
closed environment to really kind of hit home some of
1066
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.800
the points. But I always like to talk about you know,
1067
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:33.199
I'm doing my initial PowerPoint slide for some of the
1068
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.719
c CB courses I teach, is you know the definition
1069
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:36.559
of advanced tactics.
1070
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:37.840
We heard that in Green Team all the time.
1071
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.679
All advanced tactics are is knowing the basics, knowing when
1072
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:42.199
it makes sense to break the rules and then be
1073
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:44.559
able to articulate why you broke those rules.
1074
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:48.119
So it was definitely like.
1075
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.000
That operation really highlighted because I'll cover again without without
1076
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.199
saying too much. You know, even though we had you know,
1077
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.440
the most state of the art military aircraft, you know,
1078
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.159
Werconstance aircraft overhead, we have the latest and greatest of
1079
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.440
weapons systems optics mbgs.
1080
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:03.880
The wrecked guys had thermals.
1081
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:05.960
But even though we had all that, the tactic we
1082
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.760
used to clear that objective and save those two hostages
1083
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:11.079
was one of the most basic tactics at every infantry
1084
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:13.800
soldier is taught at a young age and every small
1085
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:16.440
unit you know, special operations tactician is taught at a
1086
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:18.480
young age with some of the kind of the small
1087
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:22.599
unit tactics we work on. So that always mentioned when
1088
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:24.679
I'm teaching the courses. As far as I hate, never
1089
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:27.400
interestimate the importance that tactical team leader position. Like when
1090
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.320
when things went very kinetic, you know, very dynamic, very quick,
1091
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.119
I still remember hearing our my true chief's voice in
1092
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:37.000
my ear, like cool, calm collected saying like hey target
1093
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.199
ID damn it, guys, target I d just because your buddy,
1094
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:41.199
shooting doesn't mean needed to be shooting. So again we
1095
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:42.679
got to count, you know, we got to own every
1096
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:44.840
round we send down range because we had two innocents,
1097
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.440
two hostages we were saving. And then also kind of
1098
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:51.320
talk about the the personal SOPs always talk about, you know,
1099
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:56.599
with the courses you know, personal standard operating procedures, they
1100
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:59.280
never miss an opportunity to learn from either your mistake
1101
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:00.960
or somebody else's mistake, whether it's.
1102
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:02.760
A real world operation, training, you name it.
1103
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:07.000
So, uh, my biggest personal lesson learned personal standard operating
1104
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.119
procedure lessons learned from that one is I never left
1105
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.039
the wire from that point forward without some sort of
1106
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:13.400
a handheld thermal because we had zero loom. We had
1107
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:15.760
a thick cloud cover rolled in right the last you know,
1108
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:17.480
you know, like from our from a r p our
1109
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.800
operational rally point, and so we we pretty much you know,
1110
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.400
I had to uh you know, we're you know, kind
1111
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:25.159
of fanned out in a certain you know formation where
1112
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:27.719
we knew the pilots were sorry pirates holding the two
1113
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:31.199
hostages were roughly in the same type of a formation.
1114
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.119
So yeah, the REKI guys were with either their.
1115
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.159
Handheld thermals or their fusion goggles or night vision and
1116
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:41.119
you know thermal combined you know goggles, you know capable. Uh,
1117
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:43.280
they were kind of calling out heat sources, you know,
1118
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.719
with the rough direction of travel and rough distance. But
1119
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.199
it was it was fairly helpless feeling not really being
1120
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:51.480
able to see even like we're we're we're heat segnisures
1121
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:53.599
right out there. So that was my biggest lesson learned
1122
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.760
on that one is I definitely wanted to from that
1123
00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:59.320
point forward, I v left the wire without a handheld thermal.
1124
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.559
And if they dividing because it was because it was
1125
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.880
so foggy you couldn't see anything under night did the again.
1126
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.199
It was zero loom cloud covered rolled in and there's
1127
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.559
a ampient light in the country of Smali, in the
1128
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:11.039
in the in the in the bush, you know, in
1129
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:13.400
the middle of nowhere, and just like the vegetation was
1130
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:16.599
super thick. So again even like looking just underneath your mvgs,
1131
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:18.760
looking at your buddy to your left and to your right,
1132
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.559
you know, or even in the formation, uh, you couldn't.
1133
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.199
You could see like the glow from them and maybe
1134
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:24.719
a little bit of an outline, but you'd have to
1135
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:26.800
shine your laser illuminator to really be able to see them.
1136
00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:29.199
So really I couldn't, you know, most of us could not.
1137
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.119
Tell at all, and you know where roughly even the
1138
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:34.519
you know, heat signatures were coming, you know from distance
1139
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.599
wise and rough location unless you had a thermal capability
1140
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.599
either built in your mvgs or like a little handheld thermal.
1141
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.199
And so you guys pulled Jessica Buchanan and there was
1142
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:45.960
a European national.
1143
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.679
He has a Danish guy out, Paul fisted. Yeah, they
1144
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:52.000
were working for a danishd mining company. When uh, when
1145
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.000
when they were taking hostage.
1146
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:56.360
And I got to ask, like, what's that moment like
1147
00:46:56.440 --> 00:47:01.679
when you repatriate an American and a friendly national hostage.
1148
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.000
I always think of like you know, the Kurt Muse
1149
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:06.440
rescue in Panama, where like all of a sudden, there's
1150
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:09.840
these soldiers there pulling you out and saying we're American soldiers,
1151
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:10.880
We're here to bring you home.
1152
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:12.639
Like that's got to be a good feeling.
1153
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.360
Oh no, absolutely. It was definitely the highlight of all
1154
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:18.119
our careers, hands down. And we were again we just
1155
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:20.000
you know, she ex filled her and the other the
1156
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.760
Danish citizen Paul, They you know took one of the
1157
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:26.320
first heilos out and we didn't you know, didn't hear
1158
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.360
anything else from her for you know, several years. But
1159
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.599
then after the fact, she end up coming back to
1160
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.440
the command and we were able to host her and
1161
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:34.519
kind of like have a big, big debrief.
1162
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:36.519
It tied in a lot of like our questions we have.
1163
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:40.679
Also kind of her you know, her question she had
1164
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:42.599
once we were able to tie the stories together. So
1165
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:44.920
I thought that was very beneficial and like just such
1166
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.920
a sweet girl, such a sweet gal. So that's really cool. Yeah,
1167
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.199
just you know, just a wonderful, wonderful human being.
1168
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:53.440
And I bet it also offered some closure to that
1169
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:54.920
event for everyone involved.
1170
00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.519
Yes, absolutely, Like again, initially we did have like little
1171
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:01.639
meat and greet in one of our commander's conference rooms,
1172
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:04.280
and uh, I mean she immediately like she was gonna
1173
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:06.639
like start talking to begin with, and she completely just
1174
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:08.639
broke down and started crying and like the thing that
1175
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:10.760
she was able to get, you know, word, she was
1176
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:12.639
able to get out, you know, because we like took
1177
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:14.760
her to the memorial wall that she saw the pictures
1178
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.079
of guys that have been been killed throughout the years
1179
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:19.320
you know, at the Command and so yeah, she kind
1180
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:20.960
of like we were barely able to hear her get
1181
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:22.519
it out, the words out. She's like, I couldn't live
1182
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.159
with myself if I would have seen one of you,
1183
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:26.239
one of your photos up there on that memorial wall.
1184
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.400
So again we totally hey, it didn't did not work
1185
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:29.239
out that way, you know.
1186
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.880
So you know, yeah, so hey, everything worked out fine.
1187
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:34.719
We're all here and let's you know it was.
1188
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.880
We also reiterated to her the day it was all
1189
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:40.360
the highlight of all of our careers. So we were
1190
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.239
more than happy and more than willing to go, you know,
1191
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.679
put ourselves in harm's way to bring you back home, Jessica.
1192
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.159
So I think I definitely made her feel feel pretty
1193
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:49.920
good about about things.
1194
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.920
So I think she wrote a book about her experience,
1195
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:55.840
and I have not read it, to tell you the truth.
1196
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:59.920
Yeah, I needed to read it as well. Uh still too. Yeah,
1197
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.679
it's called impossible odds. So I watched the sixty minute
1198
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:07.400
interview she she's done several times, or she did several times.
1199
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:11.079
It was a pretty pretty good interview. Folks have not
1200
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:12.719
seen that yet. So just if you just.
1201
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.840
Googled Jessica Buchannan and Hassa's rescue sixty minutes and it'll
1202
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:17.039
pop right up on YouTube.
1203
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.519
I'll check it out. That is a super cool story.
1204
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.519
I got it man, that's awesome. I thank you. And
1205
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:28.239
after that, what was kind of like the next step
1206
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:30.920
in your career as an operator at this point.
1207
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:36.239
So right after the deployed to Afghanistan again later on
1208
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:40.599
that that year, after we did the Hassa's rescue for Jessica.
1209
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:44.000
But then after that actually was for a pre team leader.
1210
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.159
I did a little a cup of professional development. I
1211
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:49.119
went to our Clandestine Operations squadron, so it's a good
1212
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:51.800
experience doing some of the unilatal surveillance stuff we were doing.
1213
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.320
Then went back to the squadron I was a member
1214
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:57.559
of before and did my you know rotations at assistant
1215
00:49:57.559 --> 00:49:59.320
team leader and team leader, and then I finished my
1216
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.840
career off back at our clandestine operation squadron.
1217
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:03.880
So again I'm.
1218
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.519
Looking back, I really cannot you know, I really can't
1219
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:08.280
ask for too much more as far as you know,
1220
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:10.679
just being able to uh you know, you know, just
1221
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:14.119
getting the various experience of attitudes again talk about everything,
1222
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.159
how it's all comes full circle. The uh sevil uh
1223
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:20.559
from our clandestine Clandestine Operation Squadron, I do quite a
1224
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:23.360
bit of a like surveillance training for domestic law enforcement.
1225
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:26.199
So again between like the tactical training shooting something, they
1226
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:28.280
are like kind of a small unit, you know, small team,
1227
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.960
you know, tactics courses and also the surveillance. It keeps
1228
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:34.320
the schedule pretty full. And one of the gals is
1229
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.119
one of our femail operators at the pro UH at
1230
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.440
the at the our Clandestine Operation Squadron, is a good
1231
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:40.239
friend of mine, Jackie.
1232
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:42.679
She runs a Feenda Defense group. We we uh we
1233
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:43.880
you know.
1234
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:46.800
Team up a lot to to uh host you know,
1235
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:49.519
and put on some of these surveillance for domestic law
1236
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:53.559
enforcement blocks. So again, I know, initially like Jackie was
1237
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:55.199
gonna try, I thought, Jackie, and now we are gonna be
1238
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:57.400
co located, We're gonna be able to both hoping here together.
1239
00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.320
But I can pleatly get my dates mixed up.
1240
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:01.239
And yeah, she's back in California, but we are going
1241
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:03.920
to be linking up again coming up in the Denver
1242
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.280
area here in July for several weeks for some training
1243
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.119
we're putting on. So yeah, definitely recommend her guys to
1244
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:11.559
go check out a Feene Defence group on Instagram and
1245
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:13.400
then she's got a website. It's you know, pretty pretty
1246
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:15.719
well put together too. So she's an awesome gal. And
1247
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:18.159
when we're doing our introductions, I always bring it up,
1248
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:20.800
you know, I kind of say my piece as far
1249
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:22.440
as background is, and I said, he, I don't want
1250
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.280
to steal Jackie's thunder, but who and here has seen
1251
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.920
The Lion this series and usually about half to two
1252
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.679
thirds of the you know, the class, you know, tending raises,
1253
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:32.880
you know, their hands like okay, Like Jackie.
1254
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:33.760
Is your real life version of the Lion?
1255
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.079
Is she was in one of three programs that that
1256
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.679
you know, that that series was written based off of,
1257
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:41.880
so that that always gets guys his attention right away,
1258
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:43.599
you know, when they're like, oh gosh, yeah this guy,
1259
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:47.280
this gual, here's the real, the real deal. So yeah,
1260
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:49.920
just Jackie is an awesome, awesome gal. And yeah, it's
1261
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.000
it's it's a pleasure to work and it was. It
1262
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:54.039
was good to work with her while we're on active
1263
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:55.840
duty together, and it's you know, just as good, if
1264
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:57.599
not better, working in the civilian world together.
1265
00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.840
Yeah, put us in touch and would be more than
1266
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:02.519
happy to have Jackie on this show one.
1267
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:05.199
Day Okay, absolutely, I highly recommend it. Yeah, Jackie is.
1268
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.960
Jackie is awesome. Jackie is I always I always joke
1269
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:09.920
with guys as well.
1270
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.719
So for can I compare Jackie you know, like you
1271
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.000
again being being a female and like pretty much a
1272
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.920
man's world. You know, she's definitely definitely an alcohol in herself,
1273
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:21.360
but as far as as trustworthy and.
1274
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.199
Uh you just you know, you know, a team player
1275
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:23.599
she is.
1276
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:26.760
So I always can make the comparison, you know when uh,
1277
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:29.039
you know you're you're a small, you know, tight knit
1278
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.960
group of a group of friends. I use the u
1279
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:34.920
that movie The Town with Ben Affleck and Jeremy Renner
1280
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.199
when they're h when he goes into when Ben Affleck
1281
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:39.760
goes into you know, the placer's staying at and talks
1282
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:42.599
with you know, Jeremy Renner's character and he's just like, hey, like,
1283
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:44.840
I need your help. You know, you can't ask any questions.
1284
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.360
You know, we're gonna hurt some people. And he says,
1285
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:49.280
you know your your your car are mine? You know?
1286
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:50.920
Or who or whose car are we taking that.
1287
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:53.400
Jackie is in that same category, like Jackie, I need
1288
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:53.800
your help.
1289
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:55.000
You know, we gotta go do some stuff.
1290
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:57.360
It's a little bit questionable, and she would be like,
1291
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.199
all right, be taking your trucker minds, right. So she's
1292
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.840
definitely definitely in the club. You know, she's definitely within
1293
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:04.760
the sister within the brotherhood.
1294
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:04.840
That is for sure.
1295
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.639
Uh So you said you did some time as assistant
1296
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:09.920
team leader and then team leader.
1297
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.519
Yeah, so in the squadron, I spent you know, right,
1298
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:16.960
quite a not quite a decade and uh overall, so yeah.
1299
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:18.159
Again being an assistant team leader.
1300
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:19.599
After being out of the loop for a little bit
1301
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.519
and our Clandestine Operation Squadron, it's it was fairly easy
1302
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:26.039
to come back, and it just again is how funny
1303
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.400
how things work out, Like I keep mentioning, so that
1304
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:32.039
when I came back, the the assault squadrons were actually
1305
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:34.679
taken over some of the uh you know, unilateral surveillance
1306
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.400
mission and our Clandestine Operation Squadron had been doing. So
1307
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:41.039
my troop was designated as the you know, the sensitive
1308
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:43.800
Activity support activities you know, you know, clandestine you know,
1309
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:47.079
capable assault troop. So I was able to help out
1310
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:49.320
a lot, you know, with uh, with some of the
1311
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:52.079
the transition just coming from coming from that world and
1312
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:55.039
then then deploying the same spot, you know, that with
1313
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.000
a with my Assault Squadron that I just deployed the
1314
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.599
previous cycle with with our Clandestine Operation Squadron.
1315
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.480
That's a lot of capability in one troop, isn't it
1316
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:06.760
to have guys that can free fall in and clear
1317
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.360
an airplane if need be. But also he can do
1318
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:11.760
all this sort of quaint DestinE surveillance work.
1319
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:12.519
Yeah.
1320
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.320
So I won't mention his name because he likes to
1321
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.119
keep a very low profile with so many stuff he's
1322
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:19.920
still doing post military life. But one of the most
1323
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.920
well respected operators lace in my time. I was there
1324
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:25.280
set said it pretty good one time. You know, he
1325
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:26.840
was a team leader and one of the squadrons and
1326
00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:29.199
went to our Clandestine Operation Squadron and then went back
1327
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.760
as a troop chief for that same Assault squad and
1328
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:34.840
then finished his career retired out of the clandestin Operation Squadron.
1329
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.000
But give the guys, you know, they would say like, oh,
1330
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:38.400
it's an essay, you know, it's you know, it's a
1331
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:39.639
uniltal surveillance troop.
1332
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:41.840
You know, you know, you know, sensitive activities troop.
1333
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:44.480
But then he's just like, no, no, no, it's an
1334
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:48.320
assault troop with a sensitive activities capability, Like there's a difference,
1335
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.360
you know, so it's pretty much all encompassing, so definitely
1336
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:52.480
a little bit different than just a.
1337
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:54.960
Quote unquote sensitive activities troop.
1338
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:59.079
So no, it's an assault troop with sensitive activities capabilities.
1339
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:03.880
Yeah, and it's also interesting to have like the sort
1340
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:08.119
of continuum of targeting kind of encompassed and all encompassed
1341
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:11.000
in one organization like that that you guys can probably
1342
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:14.199
do the intelligence gathering, the mission planning, and then the
1343
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.000
execution of the mission itself if you were called upon
1344
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:17.440
to do that.
1345
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:18.360
Yep.
1346
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:20.280
So yeah, we would like the kind of the fine
1347
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.760
fixed Phoenix exploit analyze and uh even some of the
1348
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:26.079
deployment cycles before that, and we were doing some of
1349
00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:28.199
like the more of the remote outstations with some of
1350
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:32.400
our you know, inner agency counterparts as well doing like
1351
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:34.639
an assistant team leader you know, you know then also
1352
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.159
the team leader during those rotations where I mean you're
1353
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.280
the senior military guy you know, on the on the
1354
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:41.960
ground on some of these operations as the team leader,
1355
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.159
and really from like the whole aspect as far as
1356
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:47.719
professional development, you know, you couldn't ask for anything more
1357
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:50.519
because you've understood like the targeting aspect of things. You
1358
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:52.719
know how you actually you know, target packages even get
1359
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:56.280
brought up you know from like Intel reports and various locations,
1360
00:55:56.360 --> 00:56:00.280
you know, various even assets if you will, you know,
1361
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.880
you know technical, you know physical, you know, uh, you know,
1362
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.159
human intelligence, you name it. But you really learned the uh,
1363
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:08.800
the whole targeting process from like Okay, we have a
1364
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.559
bad individual we're going after. Okay, we start to build
1365
00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:13.280
a pattern of life on him, you know, and then
1366
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.599
from there package you know, the you know, the con
1367
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.239
op concept of operations goes up and you're you're doing.
1368
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:20.599
All that you know is the guys are helping you
1369
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:22.719
with it. You know, your Intel analyst plays a very big,
1370
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:27.079
very big role and other uh other you know, specialized
1371
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:29.920
positions within the small team you're working with. But I
1372
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:32.920
mean you talk about like this the ultimate professional development.
1373
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:35.639
I mean, you understand the whole process pre damn good
1374
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:37.679
or you have to understand it or you're not gonna
1375
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:38.960
ever gonna get out the get out the door to
1376
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.400
go to the ox if you how the process works.
1377
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:47.280
And then becoming a team leader, I mean, what's that experience, like, uh,
1378
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:48.039
you're in charge?
1379
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:51.400
Right? Yeah? No, definitely, uh definitely the highlight of my career,
1380
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:52.480
you know overall.
1381
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:54.199
So I was I was in our troop chief position
1382
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:58.320
for a clandestine operations squadron for a bit as well too. Again,
1383
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:00.519
it just did that that that would have been, you know,
1384
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:03.480
probably the highlight of my career, but just unfortunately it
1385
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:05.519
was learning like the COVID timeframe, and then it kind
1386
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:07.079
of had like some stuff on the personal side. I
1387
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:10.840
decided to retire, so didn't didn't get to do nearly
1388
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:12.760
as much real world operationally.
1389
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:14.079
I was hoping in that position.
1390
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:16.239
But but as far as you know, being like an a
1391
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.159
team leader of an assault team, you know, it's just
1392
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:21.639
it's again like talk about that the talent of that place,
1393
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:23.760
like just looking like every one of my guys you know,
1394
00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:25.480
from like I was at Echo one down to like
1395
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:27.559
my my Echo seven, you know, at number seven. So
1396
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.159
I just every single dude just was just a phenomenal
1397
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:34.800
you know, physical specimen number one, number two. Just the
1398
00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:38.679
the talent you know, overall, like whether it's like for CQB, shooting, jumping,
1399
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:42.039
you name it, I mean you it's they say, you know,
1400
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:44.159
you know, team leaders should only have to make you know,
1401
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:46.719
at the command like slight course corrections here and there,
1402
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:48.639
you know, and that's that's one hundred percent.
1403
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:49.760
Was my my case as well.
1404
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:51.880
So I know some guys have to deal with some
1405
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.679
problem children that U that causes more h you know,
1406
00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.360
more effort and uh you know kind of uh you know,
1407
00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.199
have more of a more of a negative light. But
1408
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:01.519
you know, it's it's for me at least, I couldn't
1409
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:02.599
ask for any better guys.
1410
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:04.599
You know that work and work I worked with and
1411
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:05.000
when I.
1412
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.679
Was a team leader, so even as the assistant team leader,
1413
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:09.280
I got you know, quit you know, I was one
1414
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:12.480
of this Uh. I think the senior number two is
1415
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.360
senior assistant team leader in the squadron for one full rotation.
1416
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:18.320
So again it was you know, guys would come to
1417
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:19.800
me for a lot. I think, you know, hopefully I
1418
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:23.119
was a positive influence to them. And uh uh.
1419
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:26.079
Again it's just you know, just still still to this day,
1420
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:28.840
just just blows me away, just the talent of that place.
1421
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:29.400
Still.
1422
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:32.320
Yeah, they even I was fortunate enough to uh just
1423
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:33.159
pass January.
1424
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:34.800
One of the cities I'm in quite a bit.
1425
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:37.280
My old squadron was doing an urban training event there
1426
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:38.480
and I was I got to see a lot of
1427
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:40.519
guys and were never mind you guys when I was
1428
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:42.519
an you know, assistant team leader and team leader that
1429
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.960
they are now team leaders are assistant team leaders running
1430
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:45.239
the show.
1431
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.239
So's that was just phenomenal to see.
1432
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:52.039
So and so you finished your career in the Clindestine squadron.
1433
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.800
I know that stuff's like pretty hush, but what what
1434
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:56.079
are you allowed to say about that?
1435
00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:00.920
I just it was our biggest miss set, depending on
1436
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:04.280
where we were at, was like being able to unilaterally
1437
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:08.360
conduct a conduct surveillance where it's physical technical you know,
1438
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:12.599
using other uh, other assets, other electronic means. That was
1439
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:14.920
the biggest thing that our troops specifically, and there was
1440
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.280
other troops that have other other mission sets I won't
1441
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.519
go into, but for ours specifically, it was the ability
1442
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:24.480
to basically you know, target you know, underneath the uh
1443
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:26.159
you know kind of a you know, the you know,
1444
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:29.000
the the cover of something you know, other completely like
1445
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:33.199
non you know, non uh you know action arm type
1446
00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:36.719
of a military you know, element operation where we're referred
1447
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.119
to as But it was it was really just like
1448
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:42.239
the fine fix aspect of things is what we really
1449
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:43.079
concentrated on.
1450
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:48.039
Yeah, and then talk to us a little bit about retirement, Like,
1451
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:50.880
you must have had some moment in your career of
1452
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.360
like surrealism. You know that you went from being the
1453
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:56.880
twelve year old kid reading rogue warrior to being a
1454
00:59:56.920 --> 00:59:59.599
team leader and then you know, master chief, troop chief.
1455
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:04.760
Pretty wild experience. How did retirement take place for you?
1456
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:06.800
When did that moment come where you're like, you know what,
1457
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:08.320
that's I'm ready to move on.
1458
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:10.400
Yeah, well I was a senior chief at a time.
1459
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:14.239
It's actually doing a big surveillance block. But uh, without
1460
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:16.639
going into like actual specifics, I just I just got
1461
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:18.199
to the point where I was, I was on the
1462
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.199
fence say hey, like I really need to figure out, Hey,
1463
01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:22.159
am I going to be retiring because I was coming
1464
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:25.400
up on our I was, I was less than inside
1465
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:26.880
of the year from hitting the twenty year mark.
1466
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:28.760
I was like nineteen years in change.
1467
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:32.320
And uh it was actually, uh, you know where we
1468
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.960
live out now majority of the time in Dallas, Texas.
1469
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.199
We were on a work trip out there of all places,
1470
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:38.599
and just kind of like it.
1471
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:39.960
Just you know, all came to me.
1472
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:40.159
You know.
1473
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:41.960
At once I told my wife, I was like, hey,
1474
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:43.159
you know, I know you said I had to get
1475
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:43.840
there on my own.
1476
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:47.079
Whenever I was going to you know, retire what I
1477
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:47.760
just got there.
1478
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:51.119
So yeah, like after that trip, when I came back
1479
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:54.599
the following week, I put in my retirement paperwork and
1480
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:57.360
then still had the position for like several more months.
1481
01:00:57.639 --> 01:00:59.639
That's why they were doing some maning, shuffling around and
1482
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.039
everything else. But I was starting my uh my prep
1483
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:04.039
to uh to retire at that point, and it was
1484
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:04.800
a long process.
1485
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:05.559
So I'm sure you.
1486
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:07.719
Saw it as well too, where you're you know, separating
1487
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:10.400
out retiring for for everybody, it is it is definitely
1488
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:12.320
not an overnight You're you're not just giving your two
1489
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:14.880
weeks notice and then walking out the door like you
1490
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:17.679
are in the civilian world potentially so. But yeah, once
1491
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:19.599
I was, once I got there, I was. I was
1492
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:21.719
so ready I could have walked out that day, honestly.
1493
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:24.679
So except a hell of a ride, you know, looking back,
1494
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:28.800
you know, when you traded my experiences for anything. But
1495
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:30.800
they say, when you're done, you're done, and you'll know
1496
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:32.719
you when you're done. So I like, I've had several
1497
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:35.639
buddies since then, you know, getting ready to retire, you know,
1498
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.000
or you know, getting really you know, kind of like
1499
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:39.119
on short final they said like, like, dude, me, we
1500
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:41.679
didn't realize what you were saying, you know initially when
1501
01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:44.079
you said, like, hey, when you're done, you're done, but
1502
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:46.400
like we definitely do now. So I know, again, I
1503
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:49.079
hope like get them some good advice during their transition period.
1504
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:51.239
It's really important, isn't it, to like know when you
1505
01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:54.280
hit that point, to identify.
1506
01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:57.119
That, because again, like there's there's definitely guys that I
1507
01:01:57.320 --> 01:01:59.199
you know, still have you know, crazy amount of respect
1508
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:02.639
for that were burn out. They should have retired years earlier,
1509
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:04.800
but they're just like it kind of I wouldn't say,
1510
01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:06.639
you know, you can never get comfortable at that place,
1511
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:09.440
But at the same time, I think guys were just,
1512
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:10.960
you know, they were a point where like, okay, I
1513
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:12.920
can pretty much hit the cruise control and like kind
1514
01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:14.440
of ride this for a little bit longer, even though
1515
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:16.840
I'm you know, they're not really really all that happy,
1516
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:18.679
you know, they they're they're ready to move on. But
1517
01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:20.960
there is again I wouldn't use the word afraid, but
1518
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.159
I think there's just a lot of apprehension with guys
1519
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:25.440
getting out when they back it out, especially when they
1520
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:27.280
have twenty plus years then who.
1521
01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:28.960
Hell wants to say I don't want to be on
1522
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:29.800
the team anymore.
1523
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:32.199
I mean, you actually.
1524
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:35.519
Where you just you lose that fire in the gut,
1525
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:37.239
which I really that was really for me. I was
1526
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:38.960
just like, hey, man, like the juice is no longer
1527
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.079
worth to squeeze. I feel like I was going one
1528
01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:43.400
hundred and twenty miles an hour my entire career. I'm
1529
01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:44.960
just kind of like, you know, when I got to
1530
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:47.079
the point, I was like, well, you know, I think
1531
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:48.519
I'm good. I think I'm ready to move on and
1532
01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:49.920
try something else in life.
1533
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:54.519
That's cool. So you retire and tell us about post
1534
01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:56.639
military life. I mean kind of what are those first
1535
01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:58.280
couple of years like after retirement.
1536
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:01.920
Yeah, so I retire officially in October first of twenty
1537
01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:04.760
twenty two. But I said this before when folks have asked,
1538
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.039
and I'll say it again, like from my experience when
1539
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:09.320
I'm talking to a lot of other guys, I think
1540
01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:12.159
my transition the last you know, X amount of months
1541
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:14.320
I was in and then transition in the civilian world
1542
01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:17.639
was one of the smoothest and easiest really I possibly
1543
01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:21.519
could have could have had again again, we were I
1544
01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:23.760
was fortunateenough to do quite a few urban training events
1545
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:25.639
where we would be hosted by you know, local state
1546
01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:28.199
and federal law enforcement teams throughout the area. So we'd
1547
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:30.039
always been trying to give back either host them at
1548
01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:31.880
the command you know they'd come out and train, or
1549
01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:34.599
even on location we would provide you know, training for
1550
01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:36.039
them depending on what they want to work on, whether
1551
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:39.000
it's shooting, CQB, you know, you name it. So I
1552
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:40.920
kind of had been putting out a little bit of feelers,
1553
01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:43.280
you know, months prior to when I was going to
1554
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:45.880
be dropping my you know, had to make the decision.
1555
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:49.199
And again this happened to be in Dallas when I
1556
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:51.719
finally you know, made that made that decision. And one
1557
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:55.119
of the good buddy of mine, he's worried for Garland PD.
1558
01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:58.320
He's one of the SWAT or the lieutenant over Swatt
1559
01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:00.559
and also he's the current president of the tech Astachable
1560
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:03.400
Police Officers Association. I told him I was going to
1561
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:05.639
be dropping my retirement paperwork. When I got back, I
1562
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:07.239
was ready to move on the first thing he said
1563
01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:08.920
to me. He's like him, man, let me know when
1564
01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:10.599
you just want to start teaching for us, you know,
1565
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:12.119
we'll get you on the on the books as soon
1566
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:14.519
as as soon as you're ready. So I was able
1567
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.239
to get get I started my I'd already had the
1568
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:19.639
idea for my company, the name, you know, everything else
1569
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:21.519
I wanted to be doing, you know, when I was
1570
01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:25.039
doing my undergraduate you know program for my online degree
1571
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:28.920
with entrepreneurship through American Military University, but really wasn't going
1572
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:31.679
to like obviously you know, launch it until I knew like, okay,
1573
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:33.079
this is how much time I had left in the
1574
01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:36.920
military and going from there, so I, you know, submit
1575
01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:40.039
him in Texas. My articles of formation literally like a
1576
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:41.719
couple I think a day or two after I got
1577
01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:44.679
my UH, I got my retirement paperwork approved back from
1578
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:46.239
Big Navy, so I knew, like this is gonna be
1579
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:48.519
my last day. And I really didn't do a whole
1580
01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:51.960
lot with it for several months, but is after I
1581
01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:55.239
want to say, April May ish timeframe of twenty twenty two,
1582
01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:57.920
I put in for like the outside employment through the
1583
01:04:57.920 --> 01:04:59.400
command you know it. So again, if you're on you know,
1584
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:03.000
just burning leave, there's still some employment restrictions where you're
1585
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:04.440
able to do quite a bit of stuff. You just
1586
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:06.440
have to ask permission for it ahead of time. So
1587
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:08.400
I was able to actually start working for myself and
1588
01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:10.960
my company just burn, like excess termal leave. I didn't
1589
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:13.559
do like the skill bridge, none of the transition programs.
1590
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:16.039
Once I had all my VA stuff squared away and
1591
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:18.400
everything else, you know, I even like started working for
1592
01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:21.519
myself even before I had my retirement ceremony, had that
1593
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:24.599
in June of twenty twenty two, and then like literally
1594
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:26.800
just burning, you know, the excess leave I had at
1595
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:28.480
that point in time, just coming a little bit here
1596
01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:30.800
and there in between work trips I had lined up.
1597
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:33.719
So so many people told me, it's like, hey, it's
1598
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:34.320
some big change.
1599
01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:36.639
You know you did you know over twenty years in the.
1600
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:38.960
Military, you know, right out of high school, Like you
1601
01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:40.800
need to take some time off, you know, like six
1602
01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:42.960
months to a year, maybe do a little work here
1603
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.199
and there, you know, and and.
1604
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:46.440
Really kind of figure out what you're gonna do.
1605
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:46.679
Yeah.
1606
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:48.559
I didn't listen to any of that shit. So I
1607
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:49.960
literally got my retirement.
1608
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:52.639
I took my wife into the command for one last
1609
01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:55.559
time on September thirtieth of twenty twenty two, got her
1610
01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:57.400
a dependent you know, retiree ID.
1611
01:05:57.519 --> 01:05:58.639
I had to get rid of. I had to get
1612
01:05:58.719 --> 01:05:59.079
rid out of.
1613
01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:02.480
Several programs in the Clandestin Operation squad and I was
1614
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:04.519
in and then turning my access badge, got my d
1615
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:07.599
D two fourteen, and then went and got my military
1616
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:08.920
retiree ID.
1617
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:11.599
At that point, they gave me a temporary badge.
1618
01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:13.079
You know, I hate this badge out and just leave
1619
01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:15.280
it right on the top of the the badge readers
1620
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:16.320
you're driving out.
1621
01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:19.320
Did that, and literally three days later I'd already had
1622
01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:21.320
it lined up. I did a three week work trip.
1623
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:24.360
That's you know, seventy two hours after I officially retired.
1624
01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:26.400
So I went out to Denver, did some training out
1625
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.599
there for a week, and then went to Dallas Fort
1626
01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:32.039
Word for a week, and then down to Houston for
1627
01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:34.519
a week. Sorry not Houston, San Antonio. I'd already done
1628
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:38.880
a Houston trip previous to that. So yeah, again, like
1629
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:41.760
I totally understand, I totally get white. You know, some
1630
01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:43.960
folks want to do you know, six months a year,
1631
01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:47.000
you know, you know some you know sabbatical, you know, hiatus.
1632
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:48.119
But that was definitely not me.
1633
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.480
Like, literally seven and seventy two hours later, I was
1634
01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:52.320
on the road again, hitting it hard.
1635
01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:54.400
So I've been been going NonStop ever since.
1636
01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:56.880
Yeah, you needed something to do with yourself to keep
1637
01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:01.079
you occupied. Absolutely got your navy veteran hat from the
1638
01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:02.199
p X and you were.
1639
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:04.679
Yeah, well yeah, I got my you know, company logo
1640
01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:05.880
of that wasn't going.
1641
01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:06.639
To get any in that.
1642
01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:12.840
Maybe a name with you exactly, so your company, you
1643
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:15.440
have a training group, tell us a little bit about that.
1644
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:17.679
Yeah, so Galloglass Guardian group.
1645
01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:19.960
And then I get asked all the time the name,
1646
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:21.480
what's like the namesake, you know, what.
1647
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:22.000
Does it mean?
1648
01:07:22.119 --> 01:07:25.400
So so gallo Glass was a term for Scotch Irish
1649
01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:28.199
mercenaries from the thirteenth to sixteenth century from the North
1650
01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:31.159
Norse Gaelic armies kind of where some of my family
1651
01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:33.119
lineage is from.
1652
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:35.679
You know, my dad, Dad's obviously last name Wendesay Scottish.
1653
01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:38.840
My last name my mom was, her maiden name was
1654
01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:42.519
was Brennan for Irish, so kind of had the tribal
1655
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:46.679
the tribal areas of Scotland and Ireland and the family lineage.
1656
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:49.840
So again the Scotch Irish, you know, you know, Galloglass
1657
01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:52.119
warriors were Scotch Irish mercenaries from you know, kind of
1658
01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:54.800
their version of special operations forces during that time. And
1659
01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:57.880
once they would leave service, you know, military service, they'd
1660
01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:00.320
go back to the tribal areas and protect the uh
1661
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:04.480
the chiefs and the uh the tribal villagers from criminal
1662
01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:07.119
elements and foreign innovators, or sometimes they would be hired
1663
01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:10.719
by another foreign uh you know, tribe to help protect
1664
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.719
the tribal areas in the same capacity. So not quite
1665
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:15.719
what I'm doing to the you know, to the tea,
1666
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:18.159
but I mean it's very similar in a lot of ways.
1667
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:20.159
As far as some of the tactical training.
1668
01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:21.800
We do a little bit of security you know and
1669
01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:24.319
assessments and things like that, but really like our bread
1670
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:26.760
and butter is the uh the tactical training for domestic
1671
01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:30.800
law enforcement. We do some uh some kind of civilian
1672
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:32.199
training as well, trying to get a little bit more
1673
01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:33.760
involved with that, and I started doing a lot more
1674
01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:38.000
about leadership team building talks here recently as well various presentations.
1675
01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:39.800
I have a big power point. I can do uh,
1676
01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:42.239
you know, almost a full full day of stuff, or
1677
01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:43.720
I could do like, you know, kind of blocking in
1678
01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:46.840
it's just several hours at a time, just depending on
1679
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:48.960
what the what the clients are, you know, wanting, what
1680
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:49.720
they're asking for.
1681
01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:51.520
And uh.
1682
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:54.960
There's also a knife design company. Oh yes, I actually
1683
01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:55.960
have a couple of them right here.
1684
01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:58.279
So yeah, so TSG Blade so good, buddy, mine I
1685
01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:00.399
knew from uh from Seal Team four or we just
1686
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:02.239
we've kind of been working on this for a while.
1687
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:05.079
And so yeah, we just had our The website is
1688
01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:07.359
not live just yet. It's gonna be TSG Blades. I'm
1689
01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:09.560
actually gonna have a phone call hopefully tomorrow the next
1690
01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:12.159
day to follow up with our web designer. But this
1691
01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:14.640
is our initial initial knife we hadn't made right here.
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01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:18.039
So this is the TSG Blades Overt, the large it's
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01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:20.560
a little over five inches, one hundred percent American made.
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01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:25.159
Our knife manufacturer is out of the Denver, Colorado area, Revo,
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01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:27.359
Indy Nids. And so yeah, it's got you know, the
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01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:30.960
un clip sheath, you know, a whole Kai Dex thing else.
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01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:34.399
So that one, and then we have.
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01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:42.600
Then we have the TSD Blades Covert. That's the smaller one.
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01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.119
So that this one is not beneficially released yet, but
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01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:48.279
the other one is going to be hopefully released on
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01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:49.439
on the website here very soon.
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01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:50.920
I have some of I've been selling in person.
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01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:54.520
That's awesome, man, Yeah they look great.
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01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:56.960
Yeah. And then so the for the third one.
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01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.960
Again, this is literally just a prototype our our manufacturing
1706
01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:03.159
made after we design This's gonna be a folder basically
1707
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:08.159
the size of the this TSG blades, the covert, this
1708
01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:11.239
was gonna be the the clandestine and a folder.
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01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:13.920
So and it's a pretty printed prototype.
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01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.039
But yeah, we're gonna be hopefully starting to take orders
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01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:17.279
for those very soon as well.
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01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:22.079
Cool man. And uh, then let's also talk a little
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01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:25.439
bit about some of the other stuff that you've gotten into, like, uh,
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01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:29.319
there's a bit of your police law enforcement work that
1715
01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:32.000
you're getting into. And then I mean there's also how
1716
01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:35.359
we met doing some security work exactly.
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01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:38.359
Yeah, I guess again I've we've joked before. We got
1718
01:10:38.359 --> 01:10:39.880
to like, you know, start linking up, brother, you know,
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01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:42.239
more than like once a year like work. You know,
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01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:45.159
So either you got to come down when Jaymed comes down,
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01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:47.199
you know some of the boys boys week in North
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01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:49.520
Carolina or meeting Dallas or all hit up head up
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01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:49.880
north in.
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01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:52.079
The you know the NYC to meet you guys.
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01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:56.000
So no, So I'm a fully commissioned reserve deputy in
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01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:58.720
the State of Louisiana through Richmond Parish and again just
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01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:00.439
you know kind of help out with training works some
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01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:02.520
you know coming and going when I'm traveling through there.
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01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.319
But I'm in the process of getting my Texas Commission
1730
01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:06.800
on Law Enforcement license as well.
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01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:09.079
I'll be a reserved through Allen Texas PD.
1732
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:13.840
I again talking about like the the Navy cop Mastered Arms.
1733
01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:16.760
How it all, you know, kind of came full circle since.
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01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.560
I had that, you know that any seed enable listening
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01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:22.000
code in addition to being a seal, I was able
1736
01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:25.439
to get approved by the from the Texas Commission on
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01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:29.359
Law Enforcement to go the Military Police credentialing route. That
1738
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:31.640
really saves a lot of in person academy times. So
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01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:34.199
that would I would normally have to do, even though
1740
01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:36.640
there's a special Operations route. You can go a special
1741
01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:38.920
Operations veteran and then a military police veteran. And I
1742
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:40.960
was able to kind of get shave a shave even
1743
01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:43.359
more time off. So I've already done all my line
1744
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:46.560
so I'm all of my online requirements. I've done all
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01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:48.960
of my in person academy except for I need eight
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01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:51.720
hours two different four hour blocks that I'm getting knocked
1747
01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:55.119
out next next Thursday on June fifth, and one of
1748
01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:58.159
the regional academies in the Dallas Fort Worth area. And
1749
01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:00.600
after that, I put in my my affliction to take
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01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:03.560
the exam and just hopefully knock it out the excuse,
1751
01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:07.199
you know, the first time knock out the the test,
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01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:09.000
you know, then I'm then I'll be be able to
1753
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:11.479
get the fully commissions and license at that point in time.
1754
01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:14.239
So again a lot of guys have asked me, you know, like, hey,
1755
01:12:14.239 --> 01:12:16.159
why why why you doing the law enforcement you know,
1756
01:12:16.319 --> 01:12:18.239
like actual you know, commissioning, Like you don't need that
1757
01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:19.439
in your military experience.
1758
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:21.560
But for me, I'm all about just being like a
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01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:22.640
lifelong learner, you know.
1760
01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:24.319
And again, when I set out to do something, I
1761
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:27.399
really truly intend to try to be of all possible
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01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:29.640
the best in the world at it. And I think like, okay,
1763
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:32.479
how do I how can I set myself apart from
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01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:35.039
other guys doing with similar backgrounds, doing the you know,
1765
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:37.079
the training gig as well. So kind of my my
1766
01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:39.479
thought process was like, hey, if I can have as
1767
01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:43.439
many different credentials and licenses, is domestic law enforcement where
1768
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:45.239
I'm when I'm working a shift, you know, helping the
1769
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:47.800
guys out, you know, guys and gals out, I'm held
1770
01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:49.680
at the same standard, you know, saying you know, like
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01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:52.399
you know use of force, you know in in the
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01:12:52.399 --> 01:12:55.159
same uh, you know, restrictions and guidelines, you know underneath
1773
01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:57.840
the you know, the Texas Commission Enforcement or Louisiana Peace
1774
01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:00.680
Officers standing and training, Like how I got to set
1775
01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:02.880
myself apart, Well, if I have as much real world
1776
01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:05.600
experience as I possibly can, I'll be able to help
1777
01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:07.520
translate that to a lot of the training blocks. We
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01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:09.439
do that much more and kind of put that domestic
1779
01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:12.039
law enforcement spin on things, because I mean I've heard
1780
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:14.840
a lot of times before people compare like, hey, special operations,
1781
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:17.920
you know forces, you know, doing overseas operations versus domestic
1782
01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:21.359
law enforcement. Is is comparing apples to oranges. But if
1783
01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:22.880
you really want to break it down, there's a lot
1784
01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:26.279
there's a whole lot of similarities as well. So one
1785
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:28.199
of the biggest onesdays, Okay, you have, like the military,
1786
01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:30.520
you have your commanders intent, you have your rules of engagement.
1787
01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:32.840
In domestic law enforcement, you have your you know, your
1788
01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:36.159
chiefs intent, your sheriffs, your director, whatever organization you're working for.
1789
01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:40.640
You have your use of force guidelines, the US rule
1790
01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:43.199
of law. So you still have your left and right flanks.
1791
01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:45.279
You have to operate in and again if I can,
1792
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:47.279
if I can, you know, continue to hopefully you know,
1793
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:50.199
help out you know, the you know, local, uh, state
1794
01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:53.159
and federal law enforcement agencies and kind of really like
1795
01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:56.239
you know, curtail even if they don't take exactly you know,
1796
01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:57.920
how we're you know, some of the things we put
1797
01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:00.000
out to them as far as different tactics, techniques and
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01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:02.720
procedures for various operations. If I could just help put
1799
01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:04.800
a little of a spin and more things for them
1800
01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:08.760
and it fits within their department rate seats of policies
1801
01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:11.079
or guidelines and saves one of their life, one of
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01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:13.479
their buddies' lives, or an innocent civilians life. I mean,
1803
01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:16.439
that is worth every second, you know, you know, I
1804
01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:20.000
mean all the effort I'm putting into it. So again
1805
01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:23.119
I have gotten you know, uh, you know, texts and
1806
01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:26.000
phone calls from guys. You know, it's definitely at some
1807
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:27.520
point in time, I really need to do like a
1808
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:30.600
h a testimonials to get the up the website updated
1809
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:32.159
a little bit more. But guys hitting me up saying
1810
01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:33.720
like dude, like some of the stuff you showed us
1811
01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:34.800
literally saved our lives.
1812
01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:35.560
This is what happened.
1813
01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:38.000
So that's a good feeling you talk about like job
1814
01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:40.840
satisfaction at that point. So again, yeah, hopefully if I
1815
01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:42.560
can make you know, I can do that and really
1816
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:44.840
do something I enjoy and make a good, you know,
1817
01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:47.359
good living for myself, you know, my family. That's you know,
1818
01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:50.119
acting on the cake, but literally just receiving text messages
1819
01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:53.720
or phone calls from from guys that's saying like, dude, like,
1820
01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:55.800
I don't know I'm sitting here, Like one guy recently
1821
01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:58.000
was he was involved in two separate shootings. I put
1822
01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:00.600
through multiple courses and he like to hit me up,
1823
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:02.600
you know, two separate events about like you know, two
1824
01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:05.680
years apart, and he hit me up, you know, saying
1825
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:07.560
as hey, I'm sitting here with my you know you know,
1826
01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:09.720
you know young their two or three year old daughter,
1827
01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:11.880
and like my wife is you know, X amount of
1828
01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:14.239
months pregnant. He's like, I honestly don't know if I'd
1829
01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:15.800
be sitting here right now if it wasn't for you
1830
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:17.079
and some of the stuff you put out.
1831
01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:20.079
So so I just wanted to say thank you. So again,
1832
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:21.680
getting getting calls and texts like.
1833
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:24.880
That is like is it just I mean, it's it's
1834
01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:27.880
worth every bit of the uh you know, the effort
1835
01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:30.359
and the struggle sometimes being a small business owner you know,
1836
01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:32.760
running it, you know running you know, you know post
1837
01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:33.800
military life here.
1838
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:36.079
But again, you know, talk about just you know, always
1839
01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:39.159
one of the lifelong lessons learned. Right now. I always
1840
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:40.279
like to break things down, like.
1841
01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:42.840
They just said, the uh you know you know uh,
1842
01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:48.319
you know, tactical, operational, and strategic, uh you know levels
1843
01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:51.079
of things. Right now, I'm really concentrating more on the tactical,
1844
01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:53.479
like the boots on the ground, the end user getting
1845
01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:55.239
a little bit is like operational stuff when you have
1846
01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:57.439
multiple you know units, you know, inner agencies you know,
1847
01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:00.199
working together in a mutual aid capacity. But if you
1848
01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:02.920
have when you want to start bringing are talking about
1849
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.680
the strategic level things those your policy makers and whether
1850
01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:08.399
it be like you know, you know, state or federal
1851
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:11.239
you know, like you know, congressional your members helping get
1852
01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:14.399
legislation you know across or even like you know, senior
1853
01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:17.840
leaders from you know, your various various agencies. You know,
1854
01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:20.840
like you're your chiefs, sheriffs, directors, you know, folks that
1855
01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:24.720
are really like affecting policy and writing policy. So I
1856
01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:26.920
would like to get to the point where I have
1857
01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:29.359
enough experience across the board where I can really start
1858
01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:31.800
hopefully affecting at the strategic level as well, and like
1859
01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:35.680
really really helped kind of set some policies to where
1860
01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:37.840
it would keep officers in the general public, you know,
1861
01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:39.600
say that's really it's all it's all about. It's all
1862
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:42.079
about safety in the general public and safety for the
1863
01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:45.560
for the officers doing the dangerous job trade.
1864
01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:47.479
There's something you mentioned that I'd like to kind of
1865
01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:48.319
key you off of.
1866
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:52.600
You talked about being a lifelong learner, and I'd love
1867
01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:56.000
to ask, you know, someone who worked at your level today,
1868
01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:59.000
what are you still learning about marksmanship? What are you
1869
01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:02.039
still learning about reaching? What are you still learning about tactics?
1870
01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:04.520
They're they always evolved.
1871
01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:07.359
So when I teach in the teaching one of the
1872
01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:10.439
UH one of the like the the CQB portions, I
1873
01:17:10.439 --> 01:17:12.520
always talk about bangs used to like bangs, you know,
1874
01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:14.560
distraction devices, the visionary devices.
1875
01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:16.920
In the civilian the world, we.
1876
01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:18.800
Would call them crashes in the military that I made
1877
01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:20.479
the exact same things. A lot lot of times it's
1878
01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:23.920
exact same manufacturer, depending on UH, which agency is buying
1879
01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:25.520
from which which manufacturer.
1880
01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:27.319
But again talk about just.
1881
01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:29.319
You know, on O J T and always trying to
1882
01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:32.319
like make the course you know, better with with various
1883
01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:36.279
you know, various uh you know kind of critiques you know,
1884
01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:38.039
you know, you know kind of you know, you know,
1885
01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:40.560
aar points guys would come up with. And so I
1886
01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:42.920
remember I was actually down at Houston teaching a course
1887
01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:45.720
for a Region two of the Texas Tactical Police Officers Association.
1888
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:47.560
I do a lot of a lot of work with.
1889
01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:50.520
And again, like it was interagency class.
1890
01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:51.760
You know, he had guys that are like, you know,
1891
01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:54.800
full time swat guys from major metropolitan area. And then
1892
01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:56.920
you had guys that were, you know, you know, within
1893
01:17:57.039 --> 01:17:59.319
like less than two years as a as a police officer,
1894
01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:01.560
they got sent to instructor level of CQB Corps.
1895
01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:04.039
So you have like huge training disparity.
1896
01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:06.840
But so anyways, so when we're talking about implementing bangs,
1897
01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:09.199
and there was like we were doing a deliberate style
1898
01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:10.199
clearance and.
1899
01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:11.800
Like one of the guy, a couple of guys, like
1900
01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:13.680
one guy that was actually the one man in the doorway.
1901
01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:16.119
Guys were getting a little frustration because the gears are grinding,
1902
01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:17.840
not working together. For the first time, I think it
1903
01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:19.920
was the first day when this happened. After we had
1904
01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:23.039
it did like some classroom portions of things and really
1905
01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:24.920
like the one guy you know on the number number
1906
01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:26.399
one man was like, guys, what do you want me
1907
01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:27.880
to do? You want me you know, you're gonna bang
1908
01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:30.199
and want me to hold You want to banging clear deliberately.
1909
01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:31.720
You want to be bang, you know, bang and take
1910
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:34.520
it dynamically. And I'm just like stop right there, you know,
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01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:36.119
like I literally got on my phone. I'm like, I
1912
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:38.319
have to add that to the UH, you know, the
1913
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:41.479
the bang portion of the UH of the calls us
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01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:44.239
you know, you know, the presentation doing the distraction and
1915
01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:47.039
are utilizing the distraction devices. So and that's just one
1916
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:50.359
of like, you know, many many examples I could give
1917
01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:52.840
of our far as just just listening to guys, you know,
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01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:55.319
from from the domestic law enforcement standpoint, how they do
1919
01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:58.000
things and how it's like, Okay, I can totally see that,
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01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:00.079
Like maybe I should like more for a least at
1921
01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:02.439
least cover that in different aspects. You know, it's always
1922
01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:06.960
always you know, evolving and making making the curriculum better
1923
01:19:07.039 --> 01:19:09.279
and better. And again, like I've I've told a lot
1924
01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:13.159
of folks this as well. I'm of the mindset of
1925
01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:15.760
everything I teach, everything I put out in a domestic
1926
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:18.359
law enforcement training course, I need to be able to
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prepare myself and be able to be accountable if things
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do not go right, even if the officers did everything
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correctly things if not they do not go right, I
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could get called to the carpet and get on the
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witness stand, and I have to justify why I, you know,
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put you know, the certain training objectives and the curriculum.
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Why I was covering that. That's why I'm so big.
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It was. It was a lot of work, you know,
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leading up to it.
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But a couple of years ago, the Texas State Legislator
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changed the kind of rules for some of the reporting
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requirements for training.
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Where before it said like if you if the.
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Course got audited, you had to provide a lesson plan
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with like the different training objectives and curriculum ahead of
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time and also the skills test. Then they changed it.
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I want to say it was September of twenty three
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they change it to where like you had to have
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one on file ahead of time. So again it was
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a lot of extra work for me, and I had,
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you know, work in between uh, the work trips, I
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was back here getting some family time in in North Carolina.
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But it really forced me to start making some of
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these you know Texas Commission on Law Enforcement template, uh,
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you know lesson plans where it's like at CQB surveillance shooting, you.
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Know, like a lot of night vision work I do
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as well.
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And so I've I've always passed those off and guys
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want them, you know, like the training coordinator will get
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a copy of it for the reporting standards.
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But there's even other states.
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So I kind of had sent that to guys and
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you know what I've done the course is through them,
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are with them and uh and they've actually been able
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to take it morph it to their state their state
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standards and like it was you know, it's like the
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lesson there they can make their own lesson plan on
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file at that point too.
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So that's that's definitely a benefit.
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And it just kind of has that that that that
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that little bit of extra extra backing to know that like, hey,
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a state governing body is you know at tracking and
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approved through a training coordinator at you that you are
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actually you know, you know, go in by the lesson
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plan and when I whenever I do, hope like it.
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You know, my test knocked out for my Texas Commission
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on Law Enforcement you know license, and I get commissioned
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with ALAN. One of the first courses I'm going to
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go to is the forty hour t COLE Texas Commission
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on Law Enforcement Instructor Training Block. So because after that,
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I'll be able to, like I think it's I have
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my own control number if i'm if I'm not mistaken,
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and I can actually bottom line like lesson plans instead
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of always having to run through you know, like training
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coordinators for a certain department.
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So still a little bit more I got to figure
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out on that.
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As far as if I still have need to run
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01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:36.239
through a department itself, I think that might be the case,
1986
01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:38.119
but I just would be able to take a lot
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of work off, a lot of load off of the
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training coordinators having that qual in addition into my my
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t COLE, you know, like general Peace Officer's license.
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Trey, this has been a pretty wild ride, man. Thank
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you for sharing your story with us.
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And is there anything we haven't gotten to, anything I
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01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:57.079
haven't asked that you'd really like to talk about?
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Yeah, I mean I think we cover the majority of it.
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I mentioned the t t p o A, the Texas
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Tactical Police Office Association a lot I do. I do
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some stuff with the n t l A, the National
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01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:10.039
Tactical Office Association, not as much, but I'm gonna be
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01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:13.359
presenting their conference again this year when they're when I
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01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:14.920
have it in the in the end of August and
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01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:17.640
the DC area, so looking forward to that. I'll probably
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01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:19.880
do it maybe like Onesies, twesdies courses of them. There's
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there's several other state a lot of law enforcement you know,
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nonprofit organizations that I hopefully get more of work with,
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01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:30.239
like the H two A, the Heartland Tactical Office Association,
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01:22:30.399 --> 01:22:31.359
the Kansas City area.
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01:22:31.479 --> 01:22:34.000
That's another another one I've been working on hot heavy.
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I gotta gotta get some stuff excuse me, a schedule
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01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:37.239
through them.
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So that and then I would like to talk just
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a little bit about you know, a nonprofit I'm I'm
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01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:44.800
partner with and do a little Good foundation. They have
2013
01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:47.640
the Dallas Fort Worth area, so I mean, even though
2014
01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:49.960
they're based out of there, they kind of sponsored training
2015
01:22:50.039 --> 01:22:51.720
and other stuff. I mean, if you you look on
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01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:54.600
their website, just d a l G that already to
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do a Little Good Foundation, and you google that old
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01:22:56.680 --> 01:22:59.119
the website will pop up. But now buddy, buddy of
2019
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:01.039
mine started that, you know, years ago, as you know,
2020
01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:04.279
the founder and executive director, Russ Spears is his name,
2021
01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:06.479
and he's just he's just one of the most phenomenal
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01:23:06.600 --> 01:23:08.600
human beings that I've ever met in my entire life.
2023
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:10.840
He's a former Navy veteran himself.
2024
01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:14.399
And then really he has several different several different aspects,
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01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:16.800
you know, different like mission focuses where one is like
2026
01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:20.079
you know, training domestic law enforcement. Two is kind of
2027
01:23:20.119 --> 01:23:22.800
helping with you know, veteran entrepreneurship programs, and three it's
2028
01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:24.920
like a knine like you know, like a you know,
2029
01:23:25.039 --> 01:23:28.239
a service animal for kids that have you know, been
2030
01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:30.079
like an abuse of homes and things like that. I
2031
01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:32.079
know there's other stuff he's getting involved with as well.
2032
01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:34.000
And again if you just go on their website and
2033
01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:35.800
look and they just they just have some just from
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01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:39.039
some phenomenal programs. So definitely wanted to want to get
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01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:42.399
them some more of visibility here this evening as well.
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01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:46.239
We'll have links down the description, and I think we
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01:23:46.359 --> 01:23:48.600
also have a couple of viewer questions for you to Trey.
2038
01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:54.800
Okay, this is from Corbin. How often did fitfull apply
2039
01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:55.680
to c QB?
2040
01:23:56.760 --> 01:24:00.399
Okay, fitful applies to all aspects of life? Tell you
2041
01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:02.560
you know so, But now a lot of it is
2042
01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:03.600
just I don't say, like.
2043
01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:06.600
Hey, a quick decision like our basic tactic you know,
2044
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.479
executed quickly is usually better than an advanced tactic executed
2045
01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:13.479
slowly or poorly. Though again, like you talk about just
2046
01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:16.000
you know, playing pick up basketball, fill and flow, read
2047
01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:18.159
and react, it all means the same thing. You have
2048
01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:20.119
to have a lot of the figure out the fuck
2049
01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:22.520
out mentalities you go. You still want to have your
2050
01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:24.800
SOPs and you want abide by them, so you're not
2051
01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:26.560
you know, breaking the rules. Like I talked about before,
2052
01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:30.000
the definition of advanced tactics, just knowing the basics, knowing
2053
01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:31.520
what it makes sense to break the rules, and then
2054
01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:34.000
be able to articulate why you broke those rules, as
2055
01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:35.159
all advanced tactics are.
2056
01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:40.239
From CB. What's your opinion on the MP seven.
2057
01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:42.760
I've heard comments from other Tier one guys that it's
2058
01:24:43.640 --> 01:24:45.520
not liked and used as much at all.
2059
01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:48.880
Yeah, it's it was not I had one for years.
2060
01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:50.720
I carried it on a few ops, but there's just
2061
01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:53.800
you heard horse stories from guys that if some guys
2062
01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:54.960
had good success when they.
2063
01:24:54.840 --> 01:24:56.359
Had to use it, other guys did not.
2064
01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:58.680
And just the round itself, I think I think it
2065
01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:01.479
could have been a little bit more up, you know, efficient,
2066
01:25:01.600 --> 01:25:04.279
but like some of like the actual bullet designs you know,
2067
01:25:04.359 --> 01:25:06.079
and ingrains would have been a little bit different.
2068
01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:08.199
But again, like this, it's such a.
2069
01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:10.600
Small market, like kind of talking with some of the
2070
01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:14.159
ammunition manufacturers are like, you know, when we try to
2071
01:25:14.720 --> 01:25:18.239
try to get additional, additional you know, rounds with the
2072
01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:20.319
heavier grain bullets for that, just like guys man, there's
2073
01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:22.159
only two units out there that's really using it. It's
2074
01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:24.359
just it's not worth our time for we'd have to invest.
2075
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:26.760
So again, it was super lightweight, it was it was
2076
01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:29.079
freaking so much fun to shoot. I'll give it that.
2077
01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:31.520
But again, like I only carry it, you know a
2078
01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:34.319
handful of times when when I was doing some of
2079
01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:36.319
the Overwatch type missions where I had like a long
2080
01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:38.000
gun on my back, I wanted to try to make,
2081
01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:41.359
you know, be as light as I possibly could be. Again,
2082
01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:43.920
it's just some guys liked it, but the majority guys
2083
01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:46.479
just weren't super super you know, big fans of but
2084
01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:48.520
so I think some better options now, even though it's
2085
01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:50.920
a you know, the pistol caliber versions, but like the
2086
01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:53.119
the MP X, I have one of those three sig
2087
01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:56.279
love that thing, the the Nemo Arms mongoose that just
2088
01:25:56.359 --> 01:25:58.520
came out and just got released. Good buddy of mine,
2089
01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:00.520
we were at the Command for together for quite a bit.
2090
01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:03.479
He works for Nemo Arms. So yeah, just haven't a
2091
01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:05.359
chance to shoot that yet, but just feeling it, you know,
2092
01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:07.279
hands on like I would. I would carry one of
2093
01:26:07.319 --> 01:26:10.840
those before I carried an MP seven for sure overseas
2094
01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:12.439
or even domestically.
2095
01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:18.000
One more, what was your favorite rifle or gun while
2096
01:26:18.039 --> 01:26:19.239
you were in the teams?
2097
01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:22.039
Yeah, so my H and K four sixteen will always
2098
01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:23.640
be near and dear to my heart, just because you know,
2099
01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:25.399
never never let me down when I needed it do
2100
01:26:26.119 --> 01:26:27.560
or it was hoping it did not let me down.
2101
01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:30.319
I should say we got the noveskis.
2102
01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:32.800
I think in twenty gosh, what year was it, twenty
2103
01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:35.439
seventy I was still in our assault squadron, so got
2104
01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:38.760
the Noveskies. Those were definitely you know, a good upgrade,
2105
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:42.800
but again really didn't you know, really didn't get a
2106
01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:44.319
chance to deploy that much with it.
2107
01:26:44.680 --> 01:26:46.239
Enjoyed the hell out of shooting it for sure.
2108
01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:48.399
That phenomenal guns like some of the other awesome you
2109
01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:52.199
know American manufacturer you know AR companies, AR manufacturer companies
2110
01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:55.880
are but I'd say, yeah, just the H and K
2111
01:26:56.039 --> 01:26:58.119
four sixteen will always be near and dear to my heart,
2112
01:26:58.239 --> 01:27:00.199
just because it was. It was the workhorse for the UH,
2113
01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:02.800
for the tiers, for the Tier one organizations for many
2114
01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:04.159
years during the height of the gquat.
2115
01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:09.640
That's it for questions. Try one more time. Let folks
2116
01:27:09.720 --> 01:27:11.399
out there know where they can find you, where they
2117
01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:12.279
can find your company.
2118
01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:16.840
Okay, absolutely, Yeah, So it's my website is uh three
2119
01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:19.479
G Strategic Consultants dot com. This is exactly how it's
2120
01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:23.840
listening spelled out. Also on Facebook, I do some stuff
2121
01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:25.479
work related on there, but yeah, you just look at
2122
01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:27.560
my name, Trey Lindsay, you know, should be able to
2123
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:30.880
send me a free request for Instagram.
2124
01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:32.319
I have Galloglass three G.
2125
01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:36.560
It has my company logo on there as well, so
2126
01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:38.239
I do a lot of like, uh, you know, a
2127
01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:40.560
lot of work work related obviously to the three G
2128
01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:43.840
company on there. Also have a TSG Blade. You should
2129
01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:45.680
be able to look that up on Instagram, but I
2130
01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:47.840
haven't posted a whole lot. I'm waiting for our website
2131
01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:49.600
to go live before we do kind of our official
2132
01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:53.279
online launch, and then also for for Instagram v t
2133
01:27:53.479 --> 01:27:55.840
L three. That's uh, you know, that's just my personal
2134
01:27:55.880 --> 01:27:57.960
one of the walls I usually tag. If I'm sending
2135
01:27:58.000 --> 01:27:59.520
a post on one, I'll tag the other one so
2136
01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:01.479
guys will be able to pick up on that. And
2137
01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:03.840
also guys are interested in getting swag. It's out of
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01:28:03.880 --> 01:28:07.159
the Dallas, Texas area, my swag company just you know,
2139
01:28:07.239 --> 01:28:09.600
on the website three G Merch just you know, it's
2140
01:28:09.640 --> 01:28:11.920
how it's spilled out, like three G then M E
2141
01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:14.680
r c H dot com. It should pop up all
2142
01:28:14.720 --> 01:28:18.680
the different you know, various various you know hats, you know,
2143
01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:21.600
t shirts. Just got some hoodies in as well, got
2144
01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:23.239
a like, you know, like little like you know, kind
2145
01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:26.119
of yetti style you know, koozy cups, and have a
2146
01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:27.920
have a platform of other things we're gonna be.
2147
01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:31.279
Adding as well. So again, yeah, just if guys are
2148
01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:33.239
interested in that, just three G merch dot com.
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01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:35.920
Awesome, Hey Trey, if you want, you can send us
2150
01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:37.760
all those links and they will be in the description
2151
01:28:37.880 --> 01:28:39.439
of this video in the show notes. So if you
2152
01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:42.479
guys want to follow Trey or any or get some merch,
2153
01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:44.079
check out the Knives anything.
2154
01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:45.199
The links are in the description.
2155
01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:46.680
Got it, Yeah, say so?
2156
01:28:46.760 --> 01:28:48.640
The on the on the Knife website, it's gonna be
2157
01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:50.880
We already owned the doname. It's gonna be TSG blades
2158
01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:53.119
dot com. It's just not live yet. We're having our
2159
01:28:53.640 --> 01:28:56.560
web designer do the do the final kind of a
2160
01:28:56.800 --> 01:28:58.000
you know, e commerce, you know.
2161
01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:01.720
All the stuff. He's gotta do it. But definitely sorry.
2162
01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:03.239
TSG Blades on Instagram.
2163
01:29:03.279 --> 01:29:05.520
You'll be able to follow me there, and then TSG
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01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:07.920
Blades you know dot com will hopefully be live within
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01:29:07.960 --> 01:29:09.279
the next week or two and we'll be able to
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start taking orders online.
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Awesome, man, Well, Trey, thank you for doing this interview
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and spending some time with us this evening. Really appreciate it. Man.
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Oh likewise, brother, I appreciate y'all have me on.
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Like like I mentioned before, we gotta we gotta start
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hanging out more than once a year.
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Work like that.
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You're You're welcome up here anytime, man, and come smoke
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cigars together.
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That's awesome. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, like J Man's
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actually coming down here in a uh in in June.
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For a bit, you know, Okay, yeah, yeah, so yeah,
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I was.
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Saying, just just going out there and you can get
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a little, you know, get away for a quick, little
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bros trip. He's coming on Thursday evening. We're gonna be
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doing some shooting and uh hanging out on that Friday.
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Then he's leaving Saturday morning first thing.
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So just out there.
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Yeah, I know, I might have to work that in
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there sometime this year. Yeah, thanks again, Frey, and uh
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for everyone else out there, We'll see you again next time.
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Thanks for joining us. And hey, don't forget to check
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out the Patreon. There's links to in the description as always,
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so we'll see you guys next time.
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Thank you.
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Hey guys, it's Jack. I just want to talk to
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you for a moment about how you can support the show.
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If you've been watching it enjoying it, but you'd like
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to get a little bit more involved and help us
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continue to do this, you can check out our Patreon.
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It is patreon dot com slash the Teamhouse, and for
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five dollars a month, you can get access to all
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of these episodes of the Teamhouse ad free. The same
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goes with our affiliated podcast Eyes On with Andy Milburn,
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of those episodes ad free, and you support the channel
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and the show, and we really appreciate it. The Patreon
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members are literally what has helped this company, this small business, survive,
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especially during our early years, and you are what continues
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to help this thing going even as we navigate the
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turbulent world of YouTube advertising. So we really appreciate all
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of you, guys. There's going to be a link down
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in the description to that Patreon page, and there is
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also going to be a link to our new merch shop,
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so if you guys want to go and get some
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Teamhouse merchandise, we got stickers and we also have patches,
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and I should mention if you sign up for Patreon
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at ten dollars a month, we will mail you this
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patch as well, so we really appreciate that. But they're
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also for sale on the merch shop and additionally, they
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got t shirts up there, water bottles, a tote bag,
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coffee mugs, all that good stuff, so please go and
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check them out and support the show. We really appreciate it, guys.
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Thank you,