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We're gonna rock and roll with Dr.
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Russ.
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There he is.
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Okay, it must have been 25, 20 years ago that I first learned about Russ Rosen.
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I don't know how.
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I don't know how you came into my world, but as soon as you did, I loved you.
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And we I remember sitting in Barnes and Noble in the cafe during our like discovery call.
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And um I just felt immediately safe with you.
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And we coached together for maybe 10 years off and on.
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And Russ is still one of the people who, when my cup runneth over, he's a go-to for me.
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So one of the greatest minds of the chiropractic profession, I think that ever has been when it comes to educating practice members.
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Um, Russ, please introduce yourself.
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Who are you?
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Where are you?
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What do you do?
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Well, luckily, you are one of my favorite human beings too.
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So I'm so, so happy since uh 20 years going into the game.
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I still love and adore you.
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Um I'm Dr.
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Russ Rosen, and uh right now I'm out here in Northern California.
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Home is Maui, and I'll be there Thursday, which will be wonderful.
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But uh, I'm in uh Northern California for the time being.
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And uh, you know, my main focus is helping doctors who want to help their patients get healthy and stay healthy for a lifetime versus just getting them out of pain.
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I'm not saying I have a problem with that.
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I'm just saying, along the lines of a chart like this, negative 10 is near death, zero is comfort.
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I feel good, but I'm not healthy.
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My tests aren't clear, I'm not functioning well, but I feel good.
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And then there's me as healthy as I can get.
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I work with doctors who want to help people get healthy and stay healthy versus just getting them out of pain and masking their symptoms while they rot to death.
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What if they come to you and they're not what if they come to me and they're not in pain?
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Yeah, whatever their symptom would be.
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So we've got two possibilities.
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A, they have a different type of symptom.
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I have digestive issues, I have hormone issues, I have blah, blah, blah.
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So you would meet them where they're at, and then you would help them understand that those are symptoms, and there's an underlying cause to those symptoms.
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And I don't just want to get rid of the symptoms, I want to help you really get healthy and resolve your health problems.
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Or, like a third of my practice in my last three years came to me saying I have no symptoms whatsoever.
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I just, you know, I was at your talk because the only way to get in, uh, you know, I was waitlisted was to come to the talk first.
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I don't have any symptoms at all.
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I just want to be as healthy as I possibly can, and I like to be as proactive as possible.
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Most of us don't have that going on, although I do have a whole process to get them there.
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But if they are there, then it's just far out.
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Great.
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You don't have any symptoms going on.
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Let's take a look at how you're functioning.
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But for most of us, they came with some type of symptom.
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Tell us about the 400 square foot office where you saw like a thousand people a week.
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I want to hear about your journey in practice.
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I never saw a thousand people a week and I was never in 400 square feet.
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I was six six hundred and for feet.
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Um, I had I had, I think, seven offices uh on Maui in 13 years.
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So I just kept outgrowing them and outgrowing them and outgrowing them.
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And then I had a massive, huge office with two associates, and then we had the big crash.
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We lost uh no fault and work hump.
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And um I got sued.
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I got sued out of that practice.
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So the big like 4,000 square foot that I went down to 685 square feet, my favorite, favorite place I ever worked out of.
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Um, I got I went from five staff to two, and um, I was seeing about 120 people a day and uh 100% cash, fully waitlisted for anywhere from six weeks to three months out, and uh loved it, you know, and it was really people who want to get healthy and stay healthy.
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There are so many people who want that for themselves, they want the small low overhead office, they want to be serving a lot of people in their community.
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What would you say to them?
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Where do they start?
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Oh man, so here's a scoop on this.
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In my world, we start right in between the years.
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So it's philosophy.
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Who are you?
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What do you do?
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Why do you do what you do?
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Why, what don't you do, and why don't you do those things?
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So we got to be really clear about what am I bringing to the marketplace?
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Um, I do brain-based work, I do um hormone, hormone work, I do peptides, I do like what do I do?
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But really, what am I trying to accomplish for them?
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So for me, what I'm bringing to the marketplace is I help people get healthy, stay healthy, and have the best life possible.
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What I always get in response, Jody, is so what do you do?
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And I hear, well, I'm a chiropractor, I'm an atropath, I'm an acupuncturist, I'm an osteopath.
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That's not what you're bringing to the marketplace.
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What are you bringing to the marketplace?
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Well, I help people get healthy and stay healthy for a lifetime.
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How do you accomplish that?
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I do brain-based chiropractic work, I do specific nutrition, I do spit, pee, poop, and blood, I do like these are the things I do so I can help you accomplish your goal of getting healthy and staying healthy for a lifetime.
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So that's Jody's step one.
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So far, so good on that?
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Yeah, I love it.
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So whenever I'm coaching doctors, I'm always looking at two pieces.
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He says, I don't like it.
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I want an adjustment.
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The first piece is getting really clear here.
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Who am I?
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What do I do?
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Why do I do it?
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What don't I do?
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Why don't I do it?
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Et cetera, et cetera, or what I bring to the marketplace.
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And then there are procedures.
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I need to make sure that my procedures are in line with my belief systems.
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And it's like climbing a ladder.
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So procedure belief system, procedure belief system.
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Now, the reality is your belief systems most likely, if you're doing well, will grow and evolve over time.
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If they do grow and evolve over time, by definition, your procedures need to grow and evolve over time because if there's a contradiction, Ayn Rand says, there will be destruction.
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So level of destruction is proportional to the level of contradiction.
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So I don't want any contradictions between what I want to accomplish and how I'm accomplishing it, and do they match?
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Right.
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Yeah.
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In essence, I want to help people get healthy and stay healthy for a lifetime, but all I do is market for symptoms and talk about symptoms.
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There's a disconnect.
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We got a disconnect there.
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So it's really those two pieces.
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So in my five systems, it's what's between the ears.
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System two is how do I run a business and build a dream team?
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System three is how do I communicate with my patients so they see the value of care.
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And that's a big focus for me.
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Um, Pat Giantembo, Chris Kent gave me the Lifetime Achievement Award in 2008 for that.
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Um, then four, system four is marketing, how do I bring in the right people?
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And system five is flow and growth.
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So, how do I how do I schedule all the way up to a how do I bring on associates and everywhere in between?
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Now back to the show.
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And you just you have such a way of making things easy to understand.
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And um I want to talk about the summit for a minute, which is why we're here.
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Uh I would say it's getting dark here in New Jersey.
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There we go.
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I would say a couple of years ago, I did a talk on a fairly popular stage, and the head of Sherman College said, How do we get this message at the school?
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How do we make this happen?
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And we've been working together since then for the past couple of years to come up with a way to create a broad view of marketing for a practice in 2027.
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What does a practice need today, not 20 years ago, that will help the person running the practice, the team running the practice grow in a state of joy?
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And we put together, I grabbed all of my mentors, all of my favorite people in the chiropractic profession, and we're having a virtual experience called the chiropractic summit.
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And you guys will see the chiropractic summit.com underneath this.
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So I wanted Russ to come on and just talk about what are you going to be teaching?
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Again, it's all virtual, it's totally free.
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So there's, I didn't want to have any excuse for people to say, oh, I can't afford it.
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No, it's free, guys.
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What are you going to be teaching at the summit?
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What is your main focal point?
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Yeah, first of all, thank you for doing this.
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Um, look, you've been around long enough.
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You've been around long enough to know.
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Um, it is shocking to me what I'm seeing happen in our profession.
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You've got 56 schools teaching chiropractic.
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Six of them understand what chiropractic is, at least from my mouth.
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Yeah.
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So, so um it it, you know, there's there's uh I'll crack your neck if you want me point where I'll crack it.
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They have no idea of a sublexation, they have no idea of the value of of real chiropractic care.
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So, you know, it's very tricky with all the noise out there to bring in the right kinds of people.
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The thing that I specifically am going to be focusing on, dear Jody, is two things.
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Number one, number one, number one, number number one is how do I get more internal referrals?
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So when I start working with doctors, my goal with them is by the end of the first year, a lot of times earlier, but by the end of the first year, I want them internal referral only.
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That's my goal.
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Doesn't always happen, but it's my goal.
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And the reason is they're the best.
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It's the social proof, the pay they they already get it, they're already referred in by somebody that they trust, etc., etc.
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etc.
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And I want to increase internal referrals.
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It breaks my heart to see so many of us have done things like this.
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Hey, listen, if you happen to know somebody who you think could benefit from my care, would you let them know?
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And we get one out of a hundred response.
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It's just not what works.
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So I have a basic rule of thumb.
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And the rule of thumb goes like this you should never have to ask for an internal referral.
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You should never have to ask for a referral.
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If you do things right, your patients should be saying to you, can I bring my friend in?
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Can I bring my brother in?
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That's what should be happening.
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Once they do that, you need to know how to ask for referrals.
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So the first part of this talk that I'm going to be giving is how to 10x your referrals.
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How do I use the neuroscience of communications?
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How do I speak in a different way to my patients so that they want to refer?
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Right?
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They're emotionally involved, they want to refer, and I can teach them how to refer.
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So the three things we're going to go over is one, how do you open the conversation?
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Two, how do you get them emotionally involved so they want to refer?
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And three, how do you teach them how to refer?
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Because you'd be surprised.
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They don't know how to refer.
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So that's one.
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The second thing I'm going to go through is one of the things I like to offer when I say, here's how you can refer, is I like to offer a free phone consultation or Zoom consultation, telehealth consultation.
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And my experience is this if they if you get on with them, you or a staff member, and you do exactly what I recommend.
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I have an entire module for you on this that you'll be able to download.
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This other one on how to get referrals, because it's going to be a fire hose, right?
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You're not going to get everything all that day.
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I have the entire module for you and a quick start module for you that I'll give to you that I normally sell.
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Like I'll give you everything you need to get referrals.
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And then I'll give you everything you need to do these calls.
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If you have a referral, or all new patients are going to do this call before they come in to see you.
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So either one of those, your CA can do that call for you, or you can do that call, whichever you prefer.
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Of the people that choose to come in from that call, approximately 100% will sign up for care.
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I know that sounds crazy, but here's the deal.
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What we're doing is we're seeing, are they a candidate for care?
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I'm literally trying to push away people who are not a candidate for care.
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I don't want to waste their time, I don't want to waste my time, I don't want to waste their money, I don't want to waste it.
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So I'm really clear in this seven to 10 minute process, by the end of that, they either say, Oh my God, where have you been my whole life?
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I'm excited to come in, and they're going to sign up for care.
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Or you both are going to say, This is not a good match.
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And if so, do your best to point them in the right direction, but but point them away from you because you don't want to see people who are not a good match.
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Right.
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At least from your perspective.
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I love it.
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I we actually in Stafford's practice, we have seven key automations, and one of them is called lead flow.
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And it's just that it's doing a 10-minute telehealth before practice members come in and spend their money and spend their time to make sure we're a match.
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And I'm thinking to myself, maybe I learned that concept from you.
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I probably did.
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So we did a recording on that.
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So I'm not sure if you're still using recording on that recording.
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I don't know that we're still using that recording in the staffless practice academy, but you guys, you're gonna learn so much from not only Dr.
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Russ, but you're also gonna learn from all of the other speakers at thechiropactic summit.com.
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So go over there, get yourself registered.
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You'll also have the opportunity to get on everybody's email list to get all the freebies and goodies that they're all offering after the event.
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Um, I'm excited.
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And so it's October 2nd and 3rd, uh, all virtual, all free.
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And I'm just super grateful that you said yes, Russ.
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Yes, and I'm super grateful that you asked me and you know that you're one of my favorite human beings on the planet.
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I love you, I adore you, and I'm always amazed by you of how much you can do and get done and your vision and your purpose.
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I mean, you're amazing.
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You really are.
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So thank you.
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Thank you.
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I'm just a mirror, buddy.
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Some people look at me and they can't stand what they see.
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So I love that you love what you see.
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And I will see you on October 2nd and 3rd if you guys are watching.
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Thanks for chiming in.
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Go make the world better with great care.
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And Dr.
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Russ, please hang tight.
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Okay, there it is.
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Our amazing community.
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We are so pleased to bring you another great episode of the Staffords Practice Podcast.
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Now, go make the world better with great care.