Unspoken Issues #172 - Superboy and the Ravers #1

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Unspoken Issues. All right, here we go, ladies and gentlemen.
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Welcome to the Unspoken Issues podcast. I am Jesse Starcher.
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Over there is Chris Armstrong. Chris Armstrong, 96 number ones,
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rolls on. And we have the July winner to talk
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about today.
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July 96. What a time to be alive.
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So July of 96, man, I'm heavy into collecting comics
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at that point, getting ready to go into my first
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year of college. So I'm right in between. It's the
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summer after senior year for me for high school.
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Yeah.
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So the world is my oyster, and I'm about to
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soon find out I'm not going to have enough money
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to continue to try and collect comics. But that happens
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shortly sometime after I get through at least my first
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year of college. The way that this little project that
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we're doing with 96 Number Ones works is that we
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provide a poll to the Unspoken Decade community and our
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friends over on the Unspoken Issues podcast Facebook, and we
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give them the opportunity to pick from four different... Number
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one issues. A Dark Horse comic, an Image comic, a
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DC comic, and a Marvel comic. So I'm going to
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run down. I've got the poll results here in front
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of me. And feel free to talk about anything that
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kind of stands out to you. I didn't look to
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see which one you picked. I know which one I did.
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So I don't really have any commentary on our last
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place result here, which is Tarzan number one. This was
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the Dark Horse pick. We had two votes for it,
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one of which was Matthew Price, a good friend of ours.
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He's been on the podcast plenty of times. I looked
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over what this was about. There was some kind of
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a plague or something. And for me, I certainly wasn't
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picking up Tarzan from Dark Horse at this point in 96.
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No, not me either. Okay. It's kind of amazing that
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every once in a while... I think even.
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Recently there's the Tarzan comic that's been released. And it's
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like some of these properties, it's just like, who's still
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reading this stuff? Tarzan and the shadow, like those like
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pulp era characters that sort of predate comic books. Like
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they still will get revitalized or people still try to
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revitalize them sometimes. And there was that Tarzan movie like
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10 years ago that I don't think anybody has seen.
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Yeah.
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Maybe it was good. I don't know.
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Was it an all-serious Tarzan movie?
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Yeah, it had.
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I believe Margot Robbie played Jane in it. And the
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guy from True Blood was Tarzan. Alexander Skarsgård.
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Oh, okay.
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I didn't see it. I don't know anyone that's seen it.
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I didn't even know it existed.
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Yeah, I think it was kind of a bomb. It
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may even have been good. I don't know.
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But it's just like, And I know that there are
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especially comic readers. Like, if anybody's going to.
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Care about that era, Doc Savage, that era of.
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Characters is going to be comic book readers. But I'm
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still always kind of surprised when I see a new one.
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And I say that, and I just bought a new
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Zorro comic that was released recently.
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But only because Aaron Lepristi is the artist on it.
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I'm a fan of his. Oh, okay. So I've been
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reading some of those. But anyway, yeah, I did not
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read Tarzan.
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Yeah, I think the last... Tarzan thing that kind of
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almost made me like look at the issue there was
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a Tarzan Planet of the Apes crossover I think and
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the thing is is like both of those properties are
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kind of like probably I don't know if it's the
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best way to say this but they speak to a
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different generation yeah you know what I'm saying like I
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wasn't watching anything Tarzan related when I was a kid
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growing up and Planet of the Apes I remember watching
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the movie and thinking oh man this is a good
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movie but There is a lot more people that are
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diehard fans or bigger fans than I am of both
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of those properties. Anyway, I did crossovers, so I was like, well,
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I wonder, what's the story like? I'd like to check
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it out, but that's probably the last thing that I've seen.
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In the 90s, I think there was a Tarzan Predator crossover.
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Yes, yes there was.
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And I was like, I might actually be kind of
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interested in that. That seems interesting enough. Yeah, yeah. I
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never have read that either.
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All right, our next one on the list coming in
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at third place was Iron Fist, number one. This got
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seven votes. Looks like Evan's among the seven voters there,
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along with our good friend Billy Dee from Magazines and Monsters.
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Iron Fist number one, I didn't get a chance to
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even check the creative team on here. I'll read the description.
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It just says, Danny Rand's mystical martial arts abilities are
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slipping away, and the man responsible is one of his
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most dangerous enemies. I don't remember this comic. I remember,
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what was I reading? I think it was the Heroes
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for Hire. Did we do that one?
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Yeah, we did issue one of that, and I think
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I actually have read this book recently because I've been
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reading that Heroes for Hire series on Marvel Unlimited, and
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I believe there was like.
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A two-issue Iron Fist comic series that.
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Maybe even three or four years in it concerned, I think,
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his long-lost sister. And he was probably the same writer
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as the Heroes for Hire book, although I can't recall
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off the top of my head.
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And then second place went to my vote, which was
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Gen 13, The Unreal World No. 1. And that got
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37% of the vote, 16 votes. I recognize a couple
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names on there. Myself and my good buddy Justin, he...
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voted as well so the reason i picked that is
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just because i'm a big image mark and i don't
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think i've read the unreal world so i was kind
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of curious and i don't know was it a one
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shot i feel like it was.
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Maybe i could be wrong i've read the first like
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six issues of the gen 13 series and i think
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i read like the spider-man gen 13 book that they
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did and that's about it on gen 13 we need
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to cover it at some point though because it was
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kind of a A big book from the mid-90s.
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I think that Dean, Derry, and I did a few
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issues of it, if I remember right. Because Pit ends
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up showing up in there. I think it was Pit
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that shows up at one point. Yeah, Pit shows up. Anyway,
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it was decent. But our first place winner, surprisingly. So again,
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Gen 13 The Unreal World has 16 votes. It had
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16 votes, but the winner walks away with 19 votes,
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and it looks like you voted for this one. Superboy
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and the Ravers, number one. I see Dean as well
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chose this one. What spoke to you about this one?
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I'm a pretty big fan of this era Superboy coming
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out of Raid of the Superman. Yeah. I was reading
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that book. For a while back then, I'd never read
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Superboy and the Ravers.
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Until maybe two years ago, a year and a half,
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two years ago, I was reading through. I had been
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kind of recollecting the Superboy run that I'd never finished
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when I was a teenager. I got to the point
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in the continuity where he actually warranted a spinoff with
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Superboy and the Ravers. And I grabbed a couple of
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those issues. So I had read this about a year
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and a half, two years ago. And I remember liking it.
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I liked the artist, Paul Pelletier. So, mostly just because
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of the character and I like the artist.
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Can I ask you, like, when you look at the
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cover and look at the title, were you expecting something
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specific when you looked at the title?
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I was not expecting ravers to be actual ravers.
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Like, party people.
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I thought it was a team. I was like, oh,
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he's going to be in a team book now. That's
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exactly what I thought. But, yeah, obviously that's not what
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we get here. It's actual, there's a party. And Superboy...
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is sort of invited, and that's kind of where we
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pick things up. So yeah, our 96 number ones winner
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for the July 1996 poll is Superboy and the Ravers.
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I've got everything ready to rock and roll. You got
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any notes or anything before we get into our discussion
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on the actual comic?
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I really like the character and Superboy, that he was
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part of the reign of the Superman, which, hey, one
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day maybe we'll.
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Talk about that. Primity.
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I followed the Superboy solo series once he relaunched into
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his own book for a while in the 90s, and
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I really liked Tom Gromit, the artist on that book,
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and Carl Kessel, I believe, was also the writer of
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that one, and he's the author here as well. There's
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been a lot of different incarnations of 90s Superboy in
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the intervening decades. He's kind of gotten back to his original,
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like in current DC continuity, he's a little more like
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the old Superboy where he's got the leather jacket and
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stuff again.
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But yeah, I just really liked the characters.
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All right, cool.
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That's pretty much it. That early Superboy book is really,
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is really solid.
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All right.
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So.
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We're talking Superboy and the Ravers number one on shelves
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July 24th, 1996. Title of the story is The NeverEnding Party,
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written by Carl Kessel, written by Steve Mattson, Paul Peltier
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on pencils, inked by Dan Davis, lettered by Kevin Cunningham,
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and colored by John Cayley. Now, it was a few
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months back where Dean Derry and myself covered Carl Kessel's
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run on Daredevil, and I feel like it was right
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after this. Give me a second and I will tell
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you for sure. Because it's in 96, I think, he
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comes back on the Daredevil and has this run on Daredevil. Yeah,
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so it was 353, which dropped in April of 96.
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So he's sort of like bouncing back and forth doing
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a bunch of Superboy books. He also did, by the way,
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according to this, Writer in Anger on Spiderboy. Hey-o!
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Yeah.
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What did I say? This dropped in July of 96, so...
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yeah he's doing marvel and dc he's writing marvel and
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dc books at this time which is really cool okay
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all right so let me get down to my notes
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here as we get into this the never-ending party right
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off the bat i feel like this is a little
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bit different from what i was expecting going in we
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kind of already talked about i assume the ravers were
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going to be the superhero team Which they are not.
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The ravers are basically everybody attending this giant intergalactic rave
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called the Event Horizon. We open up with Superboy in Hawaii,
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and apparently he's been in a little bit of a funk.
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He's got a friend that, it's a girl, but it's
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not his girlfriend. Her name's Sparks. She shows up and
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tells them that she's got something that ought to snap
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them out of it. And she takes them to this
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secluded area near the Polly Lookout. And there it is.
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This enormous party filled with metahumans and aliens from all
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over the place. Weird concept, but I like it. I
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think it's pretty neat. Hey, there's an intergalactic party. All
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these people are invited and everybody's getting down, having a
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good time. It's cool.
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I'm instantly thinking, like, why is this happening on Earth?
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Right. It just, like, Maybe that's explained later. I don't remember. Yeah,
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go ahead. I was just going to say, it's convenient.
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It's a comic book. You don't have to.
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Analyze it too heavily, but it just seems odd that
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there's this big intergalactic rave going on, and they decided
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to do it on Hawaii.
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It's very 1996. Look, the first time I ever heard
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the word rave probably was within a year of this
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comic dropping, because... Going to college, you get exposed to
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a lot of stuff that you certainly weren't being exposed to.
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My dumb hick high school.
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Right.
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I'm going, I've got college. I'm mixing it up with
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people that are from big cities. And I remember this
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one guy saying he went to a rave over the
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weekend and been up all night. And I'm like, what
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is that? And so, yeah, shortly after this is when
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I learned what an actual rave is. So this is
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very 1996. We got rave culture, which apparently is what's
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being folded into this DC superhero book. But this is
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a party that travels around the universe. So like you said,
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it's like, well, they picked Hawaii for some reason. And
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I don't know why. He's got some vibes, I guess.
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So they end up there. So neat concepts.
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I like it. Okay.
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Superboy himself certainly feels like he belongs in 1996. The
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leather jacket. He's got the glasses. He's got the attitude.
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The earring.
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Yep, he's got the earring. He's cocky. A little bit flirty,
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I guess. He's a little shy, too. There's some moments
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in here, if I remember correctly, where he sees a girl.
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He's like, who is that? And he's trying to figure
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out how to approach this chick. But he's also about
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five minutes from punching somebody in the face. He's going
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to get into a fight or something. Now, one thing
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I can say about Superboy, as obnoxious as that sounds now,
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he wasn't over the top obnoxious in this book or anything.
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It felt like this is a Superboy that came out
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of the whole... Death and Return of Superman era. This
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is who that character's supposed to be, in my opinion.
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He's supposed to be like this. Not over-obnoxious.
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Hot-headed.
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Hot-headed, yes, perfect. So Sparks wants him to kind of
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loosen up and enjoy himself at this party, but there's
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an immediate problem. Superboy can't understand anybody. Like, nobody, everybody's
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talking gibberish.
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Yeah, nobody's speaking English.
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Nobody's speaking English. They're all talking in some kind of
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alien language. Sparks doesn't really know much more about the
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place herself. She's only been there briefly before, but she
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does have this hand stamp that apparently has something to
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do with gaining access to the raid. Superboy then sees
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this woman across the room who catches his attention and
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will eventually find out that I think her name's Aura.
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And while he's distracted, Sparks disappears into the crowd. And
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this is where Superboy starts doing what Superboy does best,
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getting himself into trouble.
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Yes. He asks this huge.
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Blonde guy where Sparks went, watches the guy touch the
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stamp on his hand and disappear. And now Superboy is
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trying to figure out what in the world is happening. Meanwhile,
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Sparks has gotten herself mixed up with some pretty massive characters.
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This one guy, is it Red Shift? Is that the
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name of the team? Or these guys? This group of guys?
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He's the dude that puts his arm around Sparks. And
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act like, hey, baby.
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Yeah, they call themselves the Red Ship. Okay.
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Okay. All right. So that's this, like, gang that's there.
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I guess they're Khans, which is like a race of aliens.
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In the DC universe. All right.
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While Sparks isn't having any of that, she shocks him
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with her electrical powers. Suddenly, this guy turns into what
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looks like a giant rock monster. Everybody around them starts
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powering up, and now we've got what looks like a
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potential brawl brewing in the middle of the party. Superboy
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jumps in, and at some point, he realizes something strange.
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Sparks can suddenly understand these people. Superboy can't. And because
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Superboy is Superboy, when this big blue guy grabs him,
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Superboy throws a punch, and it does absolutely nothing. This
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guy proceeds to launch Superboy into a nearby stream. Pretty
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funny in my opinion, especially once we learn that this
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guy is literally the bouncer. He is the bouncer of
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the club, so he bounces people. So that's exactly the
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kind of dumb joke that works for me in a
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superhero comic. Let me stop there. We've got our rave here.
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We've got everybody having a good time. Sparks gets into
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a little bit of a confrontation. Superboy definitely gets into
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a confrontation. You got any notes there?
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One thing I want to mention about Sparks, I believe
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that was a character that had shown up already in Superboy.
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When I first started reading this, I thought that was Livewire,
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the Superman villain.
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Oh.
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Which I think that character may not have shown up
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in the comics yet, because I believe that might have
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been kind of like a Harley Quinn thing where Livewire
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might have been in the animated series. Oh, series.
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Okay.
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The comics later, but either way, this is a different character, so. Yeah.
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But yeah, just a series of misfortunes for Superboy is,
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it doesn't help that he can't understand anybody. That's, kind
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of the biggest obstacle he's having to overcome here. Yeah,
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I think Belletier's having a lot of fun, like, just
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kind of drawing.
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A bunch of... Remember when we did that X-Men animated Mojoverse? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And there was a lot of different crazy characters and
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stuff in the crowd and stuff.
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That's kind of what this reminded me of.
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It was just like, he's kind of going crazy and
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drawing aliens and weird people all around in the background
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and stuff.
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Yeah, you could definitely... Gosh, there's no shortage of some
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strange-looking cats at this freaking party. So, yeah, Superboy bounced
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into the stream by the bouncer. Superboy, of course, does
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not appreciate everybody laughing at him. So now he's ready
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to prove that Hawaii is his turf, which I did
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not realize that. Apparently, Hawaii is his turf.
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Oh, yeah. That's his base of operations at this time.
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All right. So he charges back in, runs into another
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guy who has some kind of force field, gets bounced
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around some more, and then meets Hiro. That is spelled H-E-R-O, interestingly,
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which I'm really surprised that I've never encountered a character
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named Hero in superhero comics up until this point. Hero
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is one of the first people who can actually speak English,
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and he seems like he's probably going to be Superboy's
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buddy in the series. He's got his dog Rex with him,
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and his basic job in this scene is to prevent
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Superboy from getting beaten up by everybody at the rave.
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Hero explains that the event horizon is only for metahumans.
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And then eventually, a guy by the name of Kendrin
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Marks arrives. And this guy, for me, made me immediately suspicious.
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He walks in, he's in a suit, there's a rave
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going on, and I never trust a guy in a
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suit at a rave. This guy, okay, everybody else is
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dressed like aliens, superheroes, ravers, whatever, and then there's this
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guy walking around in what looks like a corporate suit.
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He introduces himself, shakes Superboy's hand, and puts the Event
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Horizon stamp on him. Now, the whole idea behind the
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stamp is actually pretty clever. Once you've got it, you
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have an open invitation to the rave. Touch the stamp,
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and it sends you home. Touch it again, and it
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brings you back to the event horizon, wherever the party
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happens to be. And as an added bonus, now Superboy
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can understand everybody there. So, pretty neat way of taking
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something that comes directly out of club culture, which, yeah,
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that's the one thing I was like, everybody had this
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hand stamp on, and I was like, oh, yeah, you
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get stamps so you can go into the club. But
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now it's turned into this kind of cosmic superhero device.
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Now that Superboy can actually communicate, he starts learning a
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little more about everybody. The girl he's been checking out
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is Aura, who's apparently from Earth and part of a
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group called the Fashion Police. And somewhere in the background,
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there's also somebody watching Sparks. We don't know who this is,
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but the book is clearly planning some things that it
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intends to come back to later. And I want to
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stop there because I think we... Is the Fashion Police
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the group you want to talk about today?
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No, actually, I forgot about them.
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The group that I was most curious about is Pyria
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and the Corpse Corps. They're basically kind of like the
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creature commandos, almost. They look like monsters and ghouls and stuff.
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There's a Frankenstein-looking guy, but he's also got a fin
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on his head, so he's kind.
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Of like a fish man, I guess.
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And Pyria seems to be a vampire. There's a ghoulish
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zombie-looking guy. in the group, and then a skeleton warrior,
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I guess. I looked this group up on the DC
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fandom page, and they have like 11 appearances, I think,
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but they're all in the Superboy and the Ravers series.
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So they'll be coming back at some point to, I guess,
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menace or assist Superboy, I'm not sure.
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So we get to meet my favorite character in this
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whole comic, and that's Calibur. Calibur is from QWARD. He's
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wearing this big gold armor and he sees Superboy wearing
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Superman's colors and immediately decides that Superboy is somehow insulting Superman.
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Yeah.
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Superboy tries to calm the guy down. He says he
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tells him to chill. And then this guy gets upset
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because he's like he thought that Superboy literally told him
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to lower his body temperature. So funny stuff. And I
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like this guy reminds me of Drax.
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A little bit.
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Yeah, I can see that, yeah. From the Guardians of
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the Galaxy movies, where he takes every figure of speech, literally.
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So Superboy being Superboy, once Caliber grabs him by the collar,
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that's about all the invitation he needs, he's ready to fight.
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The bouncer steps in again, and Kindred Marks tells them
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there's no fighting inside the event horizon. They've got a problem,
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they need to take it outside. Except, outside doesn't mean
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walking into the parking lot.
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Yeah, outside seems to be its own dimension.
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Yeah.
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Kindred transports the entire rave to this place called the Arena,
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where apparently everybody gets to stand around and watch Superboy
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and Calibur beat each other up. And again, this is
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another reason why I'm looking sideways at Kindred Marks. Like, okay,
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what's going on here? This is supposed to be kind
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of like this peaceful place where metahumans can kind of
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come together and relax, but apparently they've also got a
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designated gladiator pit? It's just a little questionable in my opinion.
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Hey, no rave goes.
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by without a few hiccups there's always going to be
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some drunk jackasses yeah making waves that's right gotta have
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a place for them to settle their beef yeah.
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Okay so superboy and caliber they get the green light
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go for it they start going at it and part
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of me thinks the book probably felt like we've spent
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a lot of pages at a rave you can't just
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make this a party book we're just not gonna have
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a party this whole time we gotta have a fight
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right So somebody needs to punch somebody, and that's what
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we get here. But I think the fight works because
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it also tells us something about both characters. Calibur pulls
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out a weapon, and things get a little dangerous, and
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eventually part of the surrounding rock starts collapsing on them.
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Superboy makes a decision. He could have just let Calibur
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get crushed, but he's a hero. He rushes down there,
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and he saves Calibur from getting killed. And that's one
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of those moments where it's important for Superboy because, yeah,
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he's a cocky little son of a gun, but he'll
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go outside of that and he'll fight you, but he
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ain't going to kill you. He's not a killer, and
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he's a hero. So he saves Caliber from getting killed.
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He isn't trying to kill this guy. He just wants
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to knock some sense into him. And Caliber immediately recognizes
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what's happening and basically says, I've heard of this trick.
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Now we're going to stop fighting and team up.
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Yeah.
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Good stuff.
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Yeah, I like that.
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I'll give a little meta joke in there.
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Yeah. All right. So that's probably what's going to happen.
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And sure enough, that seems what may be on the
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agenda for sure. While all this is going on, Kindred
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Marks gets word that some uninvited guests are approaching the rave.
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His eyes light up and suddenly the event horizon disappears.
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The party's gone and everybody's gone except Superboy and Calibur.
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Superboy figures that's no problem. He's got the stamp. He'll
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just touch it and go back. Problem is, the stamp
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has disappeared as well. And now that it's gone, he
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can't understand Caliber at all. So suddenly these two guys
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who were just beating the hell out of each other
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are stranded together and they can't even communicate. And then
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our cliffhanger arrives. A team called Intercept shows up and
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announces that Superboy and Caliber are under arrest for being
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members of the outlaw operation known as the Event Horizons.
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And that is where we get our ending, which is
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about as 90 as I think you can possibly make
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a cliffhanger. Here's a brand new group you've never seen before.
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They've been surrounded the heroes. They're apparently law enforcement of
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some kind. And now Superboy and the guy he was
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just fighting are obviously going to have to deal with
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them together.
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Well, at least intercept the leader anyway. At least he
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speaks English.
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At the very least.
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All right.
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What's your notes, man?
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Yeah, the only other thing I haven't really covered yet
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is this other group that I thought was interesting, which
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is Intercept, that they show up on the last page
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of the cliffhanger.
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I also looked them up on the wiki, or not
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the wiki, but the.
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Fandom page, and I was curious what, because Intercept, it's inter,
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and then the C-E-P-T-R is.
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Yeah, is it an acronym? It's an acronym.
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Okay.
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Yeah, and it's, so the official team name is Interdimensional
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Cooperative Enforcement Police Team.
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And tell me this is their first appearance, because if they've.
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Been on more series.
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Yeah.
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They also stick around.
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They've got six appearances, according to the fandom page, and
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those are also all in Superboy and the Ravers. So,
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Kessel throwing some new characters at us in this issue,
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setting things up. This series ran at least 19 issues,
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because that's the last appearance of Intercept.
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So, I'm assuming it got at least into the 20s. So,
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it had a pretty good run.
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I'm taking a look here just to see Superboy and
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the Ravers. 19 was the last issue, believe it or not.
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Okay. Wow.
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19 issues, but still a pretty good run for a
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Superboy spinoff in the late 90s after the bubble had
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already burst.
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If you're familiar with Superboy and the comics that were
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being told, I think Kessel's writing Superboy around this time
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as well. So it probably doesn't feel like... And I
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think he might have been the writer on.
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Whichever book he had premiered in, I forget which one,
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if it was maybe.
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Adventures of Superman, I think is the one that maybe
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Superboy was premiered in.
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So, like, Kessel, this was his guy.
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Yeah.
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He knew him well, and.
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It feels like a natural extension of the Superboy regular
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series that was going on at this time.
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Yeah.
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I was going to say, the character doesn't feel out
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of sorts in any way because you've got somebody who's
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written for a very long time just... Doing a spinoff
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series with them in it, which kudos to Kessel for
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doing that, really. Now that I'm looking at it, so
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Kessel writes, June of 96, Kessel does Superboy number 30.
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Do you think Superboy goes on past issue 30? Yeah,
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it does.
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I'm pretty sure it went on for quite a while.
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It did, yeah. All the way up to, it ended
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actually at issue 100. But what's strange is that Kessel
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stops writing... So the Superboy title on issue 30.
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Okay.
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And then picks up. So it goes Superboy issue 30
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in June of 96. He's doing the final night preview
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number one in July of 96. He does Daredevil 356
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in July as well. Showcase 96 number eight. which is
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a Superboy-Superman story in July of 97. Adventures of Superman,
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Superboy Annual No. 3, and then Superboy and the Ravers.
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He doesn't come back to the Superboy title itself until
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issue 50 of Superboy. He stops doing Superboy and the
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Ravers at issue 19 and then goes back to Superboy...
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The next month? Yeah, in January of 98, and then
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goes back to Superboy. So I guess he's just like, okay, well,
546
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I've graduated, I've got my own spinoff series. I wonder
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if he was like, I want to do it, I
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want to take Superboy in a little bit of a
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different direction or something, and they were just like, okay,
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00:27:01.569 --> 00:27:03.730
we'll do this title, you do your own, or something
551
00:27:03.750 --> 00:27:04.390
like that, who knows.
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Or maybe he wanted to explore Superboy with a new
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cast of characters. I think Ron Marsh took over the
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Superboy book when he left, because I remember... When I
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00:27:15.329 --> 00:27:17.890
was reading those Superboy issues a couple years ago, I
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00:27:17.910 --> 00:27:20.119
think I remember Ron Marsh taking over at some point.
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00:27:20.230 --> 00:27:23.039
So that's probably when he started his Superboy run.
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I can tell you.
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Yeah.
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Issue 32.
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Okay.
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All right. Well, I guess with my thoughts on this thing, again,
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never read a Superboy comic aside from what I was
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reading back in the day with Reign of the Superman.
565
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I think this is a fun issue. The other thing
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00:27:39.289 --> 00:27:42.309
that Kessel might have liked to do here is getting
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Superboy out in space. And having him interact with a
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00:27:46.269 --> 00:27:51.569
larger group of different characters, for sure. Fun issue. It's weird.
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It's very 90s. I like the concept. Better than I
570
00:27:54.490 --> 00:27:57.089
expected it to be, to be honest. The Event Horizon
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00:27:57.130 --> 00:27:59.210
gives the writers an excuse to bring in basically any
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metahumans they can imagine from anywhere in the universe without
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being kind of tied down to too much continuity. you
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00:28:06.230 --> 00:28:10.859
got the mysterious kindred marks aura hero caliber somebody watching
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00:28:10.910 --> 00:28:12.519
sparks which we don't know who that is but there's
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somebody watching sparks in a shadowy distance you got intercept
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00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.619
trying to shut the whole thing down there's definitely enough
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00:28:18.660 --> 00:28:20.759
pieces on the board to tell some stories from here
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00:28:20.819 --> 00:28:23.559
on out like they are setting things up for a
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00:28:23.619 --> 00:28:26.269
few issues for sure kessel's definitely setting some things on
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the board here i i kind of wondered how long
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they could kind of sustain the gimmick we obviously got
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00:28:31.849 --> 00:28:33.109
our answer at the issue.
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00:28:32.890 --> 00:28:37.410
19 19 issues i i think at some point this
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does this become the super boy goes to the rave
586
00:28:40.190 --> 00:28:42.970
meets a weird new character fight somebody and then does
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00:28:43.009 --> 00:28:45.109
it all over again next month that party has to
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00:28:45.230 --> 00:28:47.670
end eventually you think at some point but you never
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00:28:47.710 --> 00:28:50.680
know and then there's also the fact that this was
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our july poll.
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Winner it beat gen 13 19 to 16 i think
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is what i said I really expected Gen 13 to
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take this one, even after reading this issue. I'm not
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sure I completely understand why Superboy and the Ravers won.
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00:29:01.890 --> 00:29:05.789
I think it's probably just the popularity of the character,
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even after all this time.
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00:29:07.829 --> 00:29:10.190
It is Superboy, or it's Carl Kessel, something like that.
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00:29:10.769 --> 00:29:12.269
Maybe there are some people out there with a lot
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00:29:12.309 --> 00:29:15.819
more affection for this series than I realized. That's another thing, too.
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I am glad the poll made me read it, though,
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because I kind of understand what this book actually is now.
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00:29:21.700 --> 00:29:21.880
So.
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00:29:23.309 --> 00:29:26.210
It's basically Superboy wandering into the weirdest party in the
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DC universe and immediately getting thrown out.
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Being stuck in space somewhere.
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00:29:30.380 --> 00:29:32.579
That feels just about right for him. His attitude gets
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him in some trouble. So yeah, overall, I enjoyed this thing.
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00:29:35.940 --> 00:29:38.309
All right, man. Let's pick a panel here. See what
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we got. I'll go first. My panel that I had
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00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:47.000
was when he got bounced. He punches that big blue dude.
611
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:49.160
It's the point where he punches. I'll just pick the
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00:29:49.180 --> 00:29:51.430
panel where he punches him square in the face and
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00:29:51.569 --> 00:29:52.450
nothing happens.
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00:29:53.049 --> 00:29:53.369
Yeah.
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00:29:53.490 --> 00:29:54.690
Nothing happens to this guy.
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00:29:54.710 --> 00:29:55.730
Totally unfazed.
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00:29:55.950 --> 00:30:00.059
Totally unfazed. And he just gets sent flying backwards, but. Anyway,
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00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.339
that's the one I'm picking. Superboy punching the bouncer square
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00:30:03.380 --> 00:30:05.539
in the face and nothing's happened. So there you go.
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What do you got?
621
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:12.089
I'm going to go, I think it's page 10, panel 2.
622
00:30:12.089 --> 00:30:16.150
But it's the old corpse core confronting Superboy and the
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00:30:16.190 --> 00:30:17.410
Frankenstein guy.
624
00:30:17.329 --> 00:30:20.400
Pushing over against a tree. So we see kind of
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00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:23.400
the different characters in that group. That is some scary look. Like,
626
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:24.720
when you look at the short.
627
00:30:25.339 --> 00:30:28.069
fat thing from behind it's got all the stuff and
628
00:30:28.309 --> 00:30:30.349
then when you see him from the front it looks
629
00:30:30.390 --> 00:30:32.650
like the blob without eyes and a nose.
630
00:30:32.470 --> 00:30:35.710
Yeah it's scary it's just decaying.
631
00:30:35.289 --> 00:30:38.539
Yeah that's pretty freaky it's a good pick all right
632
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:40.599
there we go well that is super boy and the
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00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.220
ravers number one a worthy choice of the 96 number
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one is july poll we're going to go ahead and
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00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:50.829
get one out of here chris armstrong please tell everybody
636
00:30:50.869 --> 00:30:52.990
what you got going on in the podcast world.
637
00:30:53.819 --> 00:30:57.829
I've got a couple of movie podcasts with my buddy AJ.
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00:30:57.910 --> 00:30:59.930
One is called Small Screeners. We talk about direct-to-video and
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00:30:59.950 --> 00:31:00.849
made-to-TV movies.
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00:31:00.910 --> 00:31:03.049
And the other one is called Because Movies, where we
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00:31:03.089 --> 00:31:05.549
talk about kind of whatever movie stuff we feel like.
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00:31:05.609 --> 00:31:08.380
So find those on your podcatcher of choice.
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00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.599
All right. Well, yeah, as for myself, ladies and gentlemen,
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00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.460
check out the Source Material Comics podcast feed. You should
645
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.680
be able to find this show right here, Unspoken Issues.
646
00:31:18.109 --> 00:31:21.309
We've got like over 100, close to 150 episodes that
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00:31:21.329 --> 00:31:23.849
you can check out. And then we have the source material.
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00:31:23.910 --> 00:31:26.509
It's all 90s comics all the time, everyone on Spoken Issues.
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00:31:27.049 --> 00:31:29.509
And then we've got source material proper, where me and
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00:31:29.529 --> 00:31:32.559
Mark Radledge right now are making our way through Batman
651
00:31:32.940 --> 00:31:35.160
Fugitive and Murderer. So if you want to check that out.
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00:31:35.420 --> 00:31:37.500
And then Evan Bevins, who gets on here every once
653
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:39.480
in a while with us. He and I are going
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00:31:39.500 --> 00:31:42.569
to be recording our Marvel Snap podcast called Snap Material,
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00:31:42.609 --> 00:31:45.569
which should be probably releasing here within the next week.
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00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:47.890
where we talk about Marvel Snap for your mobile device.
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00:31:47.950 --> 00:31:49.730
It's a lot of fun. It's a fun game. So
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00:31:49.769 --> 00:31:51.400
we're getting out of here. Over there is Chris Armstrong.
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00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:52.619
I'm Jesse Starcher. Have a good one.
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Bye-bye.