The Scene Snobs Podcast Ep 356 | The 36th Chamber with CityonFire & Ambassador Radio | Reviews: Here & Goodrich

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Welcome than podcast.
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What's up, guys, Welcome back to the Scene Suns podcast.
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We have a very special episode for you today. Today
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I'm joined by Trevor Stottlemaio Fro Ambassador Radio and Media,
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and Will maguire. They brought to me a movie to
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check out and we're going to talk about it in depth.
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And it is the thirty sixth Chamber of Chaolin. I
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saw when I was a kid, but I never saw
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when I was an adult and it finally got to
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go see it again because of this and I had
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a great time with it. Definitely need to check this out.
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Let me tell you a little bit about it. The
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thirty sixth Chamber of Shaolinn, directed by Lao car Lewing,
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tells the story of a young man living under the
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oppressive Qing dynasty. After his family and friends are slaughtered
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by the Manchu government, he flees to the Shallin Temple
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seeking refuge and strength to exact refringe. Initially rejected by
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the monks, he gains acceptance and embarks on a rigorous
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journey of martial arts training and is just a truly
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fantastic movie. Stars Gordon Leo as Santi, who is the
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main protagonist of the film who's training throughout all the
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ways of Shaolin, and I have to tell you if
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you have not seen it, definitely go check this out.
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It was made by a martial artist who true love
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for the craft, who really wanted to see it shine
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through in films. So let's get started. We're gonna sit
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down and Will, we're gonna sit down on Trevor and
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talk about it. I can't wait. Make sure you hang
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on for the end because we're gonna do a couple
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of reviews. Remember to follow us over on Patreon, hit like,
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hit subscribe, and hit that belt. Let's get started. Hey, guys,
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thank you so much for showing up for this episode
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of the podcast I have with me today. Two great mommy.
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So we're going to talk about this fantastic movie starting
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with Trevor Stottemarer from Ambassador Media and Radio. Trevor, thank
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you for coming back on the show again. And Will
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maguire is joining us to talk about this fantastic movie,
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the thirty six Chamber of Shanin. That's right, we're gonna
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get into it. But before we get started, Trevor, tell
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us a little bit about yourself and where we can find.
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You well number one on. Thank you again for having
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me on. It's been quite an honor to be you know,
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take it into some of these shows and everything. I'm
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the producer and host of Ambassador Radio, which is kind
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of one hiatus at the moment due to the fact
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that there's some reimagining that hopefully will happen. I've been
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a film lover since.
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I was a child.
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Yeah, that's you know, That's about it. You if I
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have Ambassadorradio dot org.
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You can follow the socials and fun things like that.
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So I love it. I love it and will welcome
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to the show for the first time. Thank you so
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much for joining in. Could you tell us a little
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bit about yourself and maybe how you feel about this movie?
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Absolutely well, thank you very much for having me. My
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name is Will McGuire. I'm senior cinematic correspondent for Forces
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of Geek dot com and a contributing writer for City
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on Fire. And this is one of the four films
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that made me a lifelong Shaw Brothers fan, and it's
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always a real joy to discuss lockhow Lung's work with friends.
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So I'm extremely pleased to be here.
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Thank you so much for coming on, and I am again, Trevor.
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I came to you and asked you to pick out
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a movie for us to watch and discuss like we
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did back in the old days, and you did not disappoint.
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This is one I saw on TV as a kid,
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but seeing it for the really, I would say fresh
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eyes first time and new perspective as an adult. Brilliant film.
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I think everybody should see this. If your cinephile, go
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watch this movie. It's not just again. First of all,
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I don't want to write off any kung fu movies,
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but it's not your what we know of as quintessential
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kung Fu sort of stereotype movies. This has so much
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passion beyond it's so much wonderful choreography in the martial
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arts world, everything, And you, guys, thank you so much
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for again being on to talk about it. Thank you
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Trevor for recommending this movie to discuss. I'm super excited.
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But let's let's start with you, guys. I want to start.
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Let's start with you, Trevor. What is this movie to you?
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First and foremost?
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Well, it's I'll be the first to say I've never
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been a huge fan of Shaw Brothers or the genre,
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but I've always respected it, and there are several movies
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that you know, I hold in high esteem, but it
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was kind of strange. I had seen this movie several times.
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I'd always enjoyed it, but I you know, the mythology
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find this film as it pertains to hip hop and
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Riza and how this particular film assisted him in reimagining
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his life at a time where he basically had to
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say I'm not doing this or I'm going to put
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everything to it. So when I came back to this film,
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it was in a time that was just coming out
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of about a year maybe a little more of severe
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depression at a Hoonia, and just I was in a
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place I had never been before. So when I started
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to actually get rolling a little bit, for some reason,
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it stuck in my mind. I've been a lifelong Wu
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Tang fan, but it kind of stuck in my mind
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how it was helpful to Riza and I don't know why,
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but I decided to put it on and it really
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spoke to me in the fact that it really is
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not the kung fu film, It's not just a Shaw
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Brothers film. It is a film about endurance training, finding
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yourself in something larger and it helped as kind of
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a blueprint for how maybe I can actually start functioning
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as a humor again. So that that's a little bit
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of the background.
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I love and will what's your background with this movie?
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I know it said it kind of and and to
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kind of like, uh ux suppose that this sets you
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off on the show Brothers, right.
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Yeah, So to give you the little background on me
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as a film buff. When I was young, I went
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to see Operation Condor with my father and the Jackie
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Chan film, and it set me as a lifelong fan
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of Hong Kong action. And through Hong Kong action, I
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discovered John Wu and then to Keshi Kitano and then
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Jean Pierre Melville and I was off to the races
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with film. But I've always loved Hong Kong cinema, you know,
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most of all. And for me growing up in college
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and high school, I didn't have experience with Kung fu
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films before Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan other than like
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what was on at noon on Saturdays and you get
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those pandited scanned, grainy sort of cut up stuff on
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network television. And then Dragon Dynasty, which was a DVD
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label put out Shaw Brothers' remastered films, and one of
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the first four was the thirty six Chamber of shell
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In and as Trevor alluded to, because of the Rizza
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and Wu Tang Clanet was the first one that I watched,
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and I was blown away by the character of the filmmaking,
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as you said, by the performances, but also by the
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philosophy that was behind it, because that's the subject I
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was studying in school at the time, and this is
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a film, a key film for me that caused me
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to think deep more deeply about the history of Hong
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Kong filmmaking and about Hong Kong filmmaking before even though
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this film is is after Bruce Lee's death, chronologically thinking
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about the Shaw Brothers as an entity and back into
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the history of Hong Kong cinema as a whole.
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Wow, I mean, I appreciate you sharing that with us,
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and especially because that's something I'd really like to delve into.
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Is not just Asian cinema as it's made, as it's
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been developed, like the evolution of it everything else. Like
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that's such a fascinating idea because we get so much
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about Hollywood and we get other tastes of different countries, Bollywood,
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things like that. But really when it comes to Asia
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and the behind the scenes, it's just man, they were
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on there, especially in the sixties seventies, they were on
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a whole different plane in my opinion, and still to
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this day makes some fantastic films. Now, when it comes
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to martial arts, I want to get more into the
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choreography of this side of it. It's not the first
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martial arts film. It's not the first time we've seen
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really progressively used martial arts in movies, but this has
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taken back to a more ancient time. And one thing
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I really did respect about learning about this was that
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the director, Now I'm gonna butcher his name, so bear
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with me, but it's a I believe it's Lao kr
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loom Is that it and he was a martial arts
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He grew up in a martial arts family from when
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I read, and so this was so important to him
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to bring shall into life, to really show martial arts
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as it is in film, and this is one of
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the first instances to really do it with a more
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fantasy ful side. I guess like I'm more strict to
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the teachings of kung fu, but also with a more
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whimsical and fast and fantaful, fantasy ful side. What do
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you guys think about the choreography and this and any
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insights that you guys can share about it.
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Trevor, would you like to go first?
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This is all you I mean, it's beautiful and this
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but as far as this element as you will.
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Ma caw Long goes back to the very beginning of
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China zach films. From the time of before World War
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Two all the way to about sixty seven, China produced
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very few swordsman films. They were thought to be a
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public danger. After the end of the Civil War, people
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come to Hong Kong and they fell in love with
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this series of short films about Muang fe Hong that
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was almost like television because they didn't have television now
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in the late sixties to try and not overwhelm us here,
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Shaw brothers noticed the success that Japanese Chambara samurai films
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were having on Hong Kong audiences and tried to update
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the Wu Shaw film with some of those films conventions,
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and the first major success from the studio was Cheng
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Cha's nineteen sixty seven film The One Armed Swordsman Dubai
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Dao Wakaw Lung's in that movie film and he's he's
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doing choreography on and three relationship with Sheng She. He
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spreads He's in, It spreads the whole history of Shaw
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Brothers action until a film called Marco Polo where there
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was some falling out between Chang She and La Caa
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Lung where he went off on his own. La Caa
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Lung had developed a Shallin cycle of films for Shangs
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that were all about the burning of the Shallon temple
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by the Monk Chu and revenge taken for it. But
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this is the first time that, as you said, we
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get the training of shall In from the perspective of
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a teacher, a martial artist in his own right. Because
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Chang She and the great directors who proceeded Laka A
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Lung and the Shaw Brothers roster like Sun Chung, they
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were film critics, they were film writers who came in
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in much the way the good Ard or truefo did
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came into the business. La Co Lung came in through
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peaking opera and through choreography. And this is his fourth film.
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All of them were made in the span of a
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year and a half and the polish, the unity of
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message like you're talking about, and the skill of the choreography.
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I personally think in the scenes where Gordon lou is
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challenging the head of the monastery to be able to leave,
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and he comes back again and again with different weapons
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until he sort of figured him out. That's where you
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start to see what lacaw Lung brings that no other
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kung fu director brought at that time. The idea of
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the fight itself can tell the story without words, So
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I hope that that brings a little context to how revolutionary.
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What was revolutionary in this film and where it came from.
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Oh for sure, absolutely for me it was. I mean
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I definitely all of that shine through and I do.
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That's why I love appreciate about the filmmaking, especially again
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Asian cinema. It does show more than it tells, and
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I love that always. That's that is a pinnacle in
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filmmaking in my opinion, Like stop thinking of dialogue couldn't
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turn to no no no, I kid of course, but
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like who of course made a movie that was Gordon
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lew Is in it. I don't kill Bill vyme too.
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You know, he had so much respect for this movie
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as well, So I loved the fight sequence in this.
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I loved everything we get at Shaulin. From the time
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Santi starts or he's taken in until he leaves. Everything
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is training. He never is not, not that he's being tested.
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It's almost that like they're giving him a chance to
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test himself and keep it going. And his drive is fantastic.
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I love the character. I thought it was brilliantly done.
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I did not know that the thirty sixth chamber was
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that he wanted to go out and teach, but I
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do love like that.
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It's the chamber in which you make a decision about
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yourself as it pertains to your teachings. So that's why
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there is no like solid thirty sixth chamber that is
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for the person who is trained to that level to
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hopefully meld into what their teachings helped them understand.
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he's training everyone and he realizes this isn't just about
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going out and taking vengeance. This is this is a
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discipline that needs to be taught, and his character through
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this and the discipline that is not just being shown
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to him, but that he is picking up the montage,
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which I would argue even though Rocky came out a
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couple of years before, that montage was great and it
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continued on in many other films, including the Rest of
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the Rocky. This is a montage that really lies deep,
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and I think this is probably one of the better
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ones that ever came out. And I think that more
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movies need to take not just the idea of the
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montage from this, but the idea of how the montage
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drives the story. That's where I think we suffer here
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in America with montages. They always kind of extend the story,
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they push our hero a little before, but this changes
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completely our hero. We see in his eyes change through
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and I would love to hear you guys think about
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the montage gen overall. Before we get into the full movie, Trevis,
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let's start with you, what on a personal level, what
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is this training sequence mean to you?
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one of the beauties about this film is on a
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technical level, it is a perfect three act drama. And
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I mean, of course, usually when you say training film,
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you think of Rocky, and we're not saying Rocky is
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not a monumental film and a film that exists to
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every generation. But I guess the question goes back to
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you because you just revisited the film.
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Is you know, and this has been pointed.
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Out many places before, is the aspect of revisiting something
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you really really liked or you felt in high esteem,
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but when you revisit it in older eyes, you're kind
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of like, oh crap, what's the deal. This is a
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film that is truly universal and does not need a
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timestamp because it is so focused on the self, but
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also focused on political and social ideas that were poignant
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for that time but are also poignant for any time.
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And that's why this film is so beautiful. And the
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use of I mean, it's a hefty training montage if
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you want to refer to that as versus an act.
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But it's heavy is the big thing. That's why I
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think it it separates itself from a lot of films
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it doesn't. It truly values the aspect of hard work
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and training and you know you will fail, but time
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is very important, and time just helps you understand what
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happened before. So the fact that this is more of
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a lasi daisical training element to the film is so important.
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Oh well, I mean I would say this training, I
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mean this it is a montage overall, because you are
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seeing this man trained into exactly what we're hoping, right.
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But and I compare it to Rocky because America is
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you know, our filmmaking ay that I'll always hold Rocky
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up to a pinnacle. I mean, I think a lot
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of people forget that's how independent that movie was so
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and it's just three x structure in America is way
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different than in other countries. But this, I will say, like,
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even if you take it out first and second act,
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I'm very sure, very short, Like this is the meat
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and potatoes of the movie and the beauty of it
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is very little is said through it. That's why I
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think it holds to that montage so well, like you
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in it, and like we were talking about earlier that
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this story is in the fight and things like that.
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Once we get past that, once he gets to that fight,
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that's a whole different montage. Now this is him taking
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every that's him taking everything we've seen and putting it
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to perfect use.
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Well yeah, and it's the process is never ending. Yeah,
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And that's something that's continued in the following films. But
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even in this film, it's implied because does anybody remember
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what the thirty fifth chamber is? Uh?
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Wasn't it protecting?
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It's called enlightenment. And like he goes up and they're
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just tapping on the the and they're doing sutras because
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they've exited the world. All this is in service of
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a raising of the consciousness. Like you guys alluded to
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his personal revenge that he sees a political sort of consciousness,
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an expansion of it a universality, but there's an even
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higher universality of a spiritual sort of progression and growth.
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And for a Buddhist, all that is unified because it's holistic,
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whereas we tend to like divvy up our categories. And
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that's uh, that's important to remember for Lack how long,
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the hard work is the point. Hard work is what
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actual kung fu isn't Fighting in kung fu is hard work,
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and the fighting is a is a consequence of under
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taking it. And the duty of society is for is
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for us to pass on our knowledge to the next generation,
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to prepare that, which is why student and teacher relationships
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abound in all of his films, and especially in this
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one as well.
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Yeah, and to add to that point, even seeing Santi's
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character and his reactions at every point. So and for
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everybody listening, there's a wonderful scene where when you want
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to go to lunch, you have to you have to
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jump over. It's like this little like pocket of water
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and you have to jump over it. But there's like
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a bundle of logs tied together that everyone's short of
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just using as a stepping stone is to jump over.
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And Santy is looking at it and he's not used to.
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He falls off his first time, and he can't eat
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until he's clean. So like it plays this whole thing.
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What I loved about it is he went and he practices.
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But the thing that really to ed drive this point
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home of like teacher and student is the first time
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he sees the sticks undone. The teachers now watched all
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these students laugh at when he fell in. He has
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now mastered it and he did it, and so they
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take it apart and now they have to teach him.
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But it's never it's never to to mean or diminish anybody.
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It's to strengthen. You guys laughed at him. Now try
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and figure it out. It's harder, and this way you're
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gonna find balance. This way you're gonna find But to
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go back to my original point of this, to add
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to yours, Sante's face when he sees that is what
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he's what we see every single time a challenge arises,
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he is he thinks about it. And that felt like
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such a main principle in this of like what they're
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trying to get through to everybody who's like, think about
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everything that's coming through. Think about it quickly, but think
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about it and you'll find your way out. That's how
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you find your peace. And I really like there's so
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many messages that are just conveyed in this brilliantly and subtly,
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with just so many little things. And I love that
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about this. I appreciate you picking it, Trevor. Now I'd
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like to get into more of the personal side of
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this movie and what it means to you. Will. I
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can see how excited you are talked about it, and
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I know it's really something you love. I'm very passionate
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about too, Trevor. So let's start with you, Will. What
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is what does this movie mean to you?
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I think what when we talk about it being universal
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and when we talk about it being a story that
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resonates without words. What we're alluding to is that human
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It speaks to real human life, and I think that's
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why it has such a connection throughout our pop culture
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and it can speak to different people at different times,
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because we all have to overcome challenge and we all
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strive to get better and we all recognize in ourselves
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our faults and want to put in the work. And
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when we see that process of someone improving over time,
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putting it just like rock putting in the time, putting
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in the effort, it's inspiring because it reminds us that
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we too can grow and change. It's a we're not
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even talking about a modern or postmodern idea. These are
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pre modern ideas. These are ancient ideas, which is why
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they can speak to an African American rapper in Staten
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Island as well as they can speak to the audience
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that it was intended for in Hong Kong I And
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to get a little less maybe even uh, you know,
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philosophical about it, it's just a beautifully crafted film. Even
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some great Hong Kong films, because they're not subject to
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Western three acts structure, can sometimes feel a little alien
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to us. But this is a perfect beat, beat beat.
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We feel right at home in it. The opening sequence
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before he even gets to Shellin where the where the
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carriage is attacked by the general with the giant axe
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and we're introduced to our main villain played by lo
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Le is fantastic. And it's just it's the process of overcoming.
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And I think in our culture, now you get hit,
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you yet knockdown. There's not a lot of unambiguous, heroic
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inspiring stories. We're very cynical about them. And this is
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wisdom and faith about our capacity to get better with
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a little twinkle in the eye. So it's not you know,
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as you alluded to before the scenes where he's messing
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up and training and then he gets it, those can
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be amusing. I just think that it's a profoundly wise
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and uplifting film, and that's what I love about it,
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even as I love so many philp Brothers movies. That's
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what makes this particular one special.
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I love that and I completely agree with you. I
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actually want to jump on this and want and show
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this to my kids, you know, because I really think
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it also teaches you how to be teachable and coachable.
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You know, it's not about and I try to convey
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that to so many people, like especially younger when I'm
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talking to them, and that idea of yeah, you failed
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and that sucks, but that's not it. Keep going, keep practicing,
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keep getting better for yourself. That's what's important. To keep
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getting smarter for yourself. Like all of this is enlightenment,
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and you bring it up with the thirty fifth Chamber
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and the fact that that's their final you know, you
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were finally going to be enlightened. You're going to finally
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get why we do all this and it's not why
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you think it is. But I kind of also like
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that he's you know, he doesn't get to that thirty
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fifth Chamber until yeah.
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Yeah, it's very much brought to his attention and as
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well as stayed out it's done or I ever say it,
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but a very respectable way that when he, you know,
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gets the point that he can even you know, try
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to operate within the Shallon Temple, he's cocky and they
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allow him to do what he says he can do.
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There's it's just very matter of fact, and that's very
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important I think in really understanding the training that you know,
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you cannot make further steps until you are willing to
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take the eye out of it, and you will not
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learn to put your failures to sleep or learn upon
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your actions. And they are not truly failures until you
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allow yourself to let go. And that's why a training
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situation works so well, that's why I fight film or
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you know, as I say, Rocky is the same element here.
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So I like the fight film works is it shows
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you a process. And I mentioned about time. That's when
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I like, you know, mentioned that again that this is
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a great three act structure about thirty thirty and a
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little bit over forty. It is very important that that
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this is one of the few films that really is
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the meat of the film is a training. A lot
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of training is shown inung Fu films, Shaw Brother films,
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et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, but most filmmakers and
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most producers would cut it up into a very tight montage.
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This makes the viewer go on his trip, Sante's trip,
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and makes the viewer slow down because you're packed with
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so much information in that first thirty minutes that it's
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almost hard to take a break. So I think that's
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one of the great things about how this film was
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written and how this film was executed as I think
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it is of the Kung fu films that I've experienced
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my life, the most truly personal.
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Like for me, it was a little bit more. My
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takeaway on it was especially and and and brilliantly mapped
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out in this story. By the time you get to
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the end and he's fighting with the sticks and he's
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fighting this emperor, this warlord, you know, it's he so
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understands he has this beat. He knows he has a beat.
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But his steps, every step he takes, you can see
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on his face he's thinking. He's like, I'm cheating all
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of these people out of the honor of everything I learned.
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I'm only able to do this because I went through
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all thirty five chambers, And to me, that was his enlightenment.
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And like just to see his character from the beginning
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to the end. But he you know, from the beginning,
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I mean, he just wants to go to the shallon
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and be like, come protect us. You don't really have
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an interest in going and being a shal in until
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he gets there and he's hurt and he sees what's
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going on, and just for me like that is brilliant
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writing within a standpoint. This is absolutely Conradian story that
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emphasizes what I think we lose, especially like let's take
486
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Star Wars for example, which is steeped in more Japanese
487
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lawt but very similar in its tone and its methodology.
488
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Though you've got no training with Luke. Luke was in it,
489
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so Luke never really asked questions. And I'm not putting
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so I love Star Wars up putting it down, it's grateful.
491
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Well, what about the Empire strikes back?
492
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Empire strikes Back is a good one to call back,
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but at the time, though, you could call back to that,
494
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but what's now The influence is this movie influencing that now?
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But I think in seventy seven versus seventy eight, you
496
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:17.599
get these two very different movies where it's like this
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young boy has to go out. So they told Luke's
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story in three movies, right, And I know they told
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this one in three movie, But you don't need two
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other movies for this to be a good story, right,
501
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:29.920
And the same with Star Wars. But tell me that
502
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you don't see enough training in Star Wars.
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Right, I think Lucas is so yeah, I think that
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it was Casin's influence an empire that kind of gave
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the otis serious as a film geek.
506
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Well, I would more put it on Irvin Kershner. If anything,
507
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he had a lot he was steeped in that to
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make the story different.
509
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:57.200
Yeah, but like both have a big influence of that film.
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But I think what's interesting is too when you talk
511
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about this movie. The second one is actually a reversal
512
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of this film so in an interesting way, and it
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speaks to something that you said Nick about being coachable.
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A return to the thirty six Chambers. Gordon Lou plays
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a man who is put through the chambers, but he
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finds shortcuts through all of them, and Sante has to
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teach him. He has to be he's too clever, so
518
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.519
for example, the walking up the hill with the water,
519
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he finds ways to lean, he finds like cheats to
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get through it. He's too smart, and he has to
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learn kung fu without realizing that he's being taught kung
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fu by doing the roof of the temple and watching
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all the guys do kung fu. And then he realizes
524
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that he's been training with his movements the whole time,
525
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and the reason I bring that up is because it
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underlines the message in this film. The hard work is
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the point. It can't be passed through, it can't be
528
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skipped through, because the kung fu is the heart is
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the hard work.
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Yeah, when I got from this one as well, and
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I'm actually excited to check out the sequel to see
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that aspect because from what you're telling me that that
533
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and trailor I love to hear your take as an educator,
534
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like there are some students you can't get through. Not
535
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saying that you can, but like in your normal teaching
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habits right, sometimes you got to go outside of it.
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And I would love to see this movie to see
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how they handle that. That sounds so intriguing to me
539
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to take it into that direction.
540
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Also, one thing I wanted to build off what you
541
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were saying, because you pointed out of the beginning, you know,
542
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in the beginning when the guy Uh I think they're
543
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out of meeting of like spies against the Monshoe, and
544
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somebody's like, oh, yeah, I learned it shall in Good
545
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kung Fu. He recognizes from the beginning that shallin Kung
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Fu could be useful to fight the Monshoe. What he
547
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learns is that the kung fu. The fighting is only
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useful in that it develops the sell and that's the
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why it's got to be the thirty sixth Chamber to
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go through to teach this spiritual development and physical development
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that happened together to everybody, to bring to bring to
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raise up everybody else. And you're right, that is his
553
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enlighten He doesn't need Some people need to be monks
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away from the world. Some people need to be in
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the world, and he needs to be in the world.
556
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And now I'm even more excited to check out that
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sequel with that premise him being the perfect person do
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it because he was the one that had to be
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enlightened by going out and seeing different teaching, right, and
560
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that I'm very excited to watch the Restless trilogy. And
561
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as we're kind of, you know, coming down towards the end,
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I want to go over final thoughts of you know,
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each of you about this movie and maybe make a
564
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plea for people to check it out and why get
565
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.079
your different perspectives on that. But let's sorry with you, Trevor,
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how what do you think?
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00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.720
Well, I just kind of wanted to touch upon a
568
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couple things as far as you know, how Okay, So
569
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how would the structure of this film and how did
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this film really kind of affect me as far as
571
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how to get out of a level of mental illness
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that I never thought I would I never you know,
573
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hoped that was possible. So, you know, Santi goes in,
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he does one assistance, but he still is very cocky.
575
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So you can almost kind of view him as you know,
576
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kind of your id your you know, this is this
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is potentially you and how you are viewing things, and
578
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:50.400
with mental illness, it is extremely hard to get the
579
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eye out of it. With mental illness, you can find
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yourself focusing on that because the idea of anybody else
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or what they're thinking at the time is a very
582
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scary thing for you. So when he discovers what the
583
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:12.519
thirty fifth chamber is and basically gets a wake up
584
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call to you know, this is what you're looking for.
585
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It's not all the quick fun kung fu I'm a
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master thing. It's leading to an element of being able
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to you know, free yourself to believe in some The
588
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thirty sixth Chamber is exceedingly important because in this film
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you see that it gets him to actually teach other
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people and things of that nature. But for me, it
591
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:48.119
was coming to a place where you were able to
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empathize with people in a way that you don't automatically
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go to the eye that when you deal with people
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and you communicate with people, there's a reason for why
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they act and they say the things they do. And
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that was the training for me because, as I said,
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with mental illness and you know, I'll be up front
598
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:18.279
on here, a bipolar one ASD and ADHD that I
599
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is all encompassing, but it's not in a narcissistic way.
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It's not in a way you feel better than there was.
601
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It's it's like something is literally just covering you and
602
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:32.319
all you have is I that to be able to
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emerge from that and start processing in a way that
604
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:40.680
doesn't automatically lead you to go this person said this,
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they think that, they think that, they think this, say
606
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they think this. It's like, why did you say that?
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Let me ponder this is a very important way to
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try to just be with other humans.
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So I had one thing I'll also mentioned too about
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his character, and that's a great point to kind of
611
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coincide those two uh uh ways of thinking. Uh Santia
612
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is such a great character and the way he the
613
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.280
way he thinks outside the box, and I'll use that
614
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.519
as a term something different, is also not belittling Tenant.
615
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.400
He's just over there. He's not out there thinking he's
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the best of the best. He's just trying to reach
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his goals. And that's the one thing I really enjoyed
618
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:23.480
about this character was that he seems he is cocky,
619
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:28.119
he seems brash at times he's but when he's in training,
620
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:32.039
he is insanely dis How often do you see somebody
621
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:34.639
after hours of falling in and then having a clean
622
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:36.880
and do all this stuff and being taking a task
623
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a few times, sits there and practices. Those are the
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00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:41.719
ones are going to get through, right, you know, Those
625
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:43.599
are the ones that are really going to Not everybody's
626
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.000
not that nobody's going to get through. I shouldn't say that,
627
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:47.280
but those are the ones are going to get through
628
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quick And you can be the one that gets through quickly.
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And you turn around and you say, but he wasn't
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by that time. By the time you get to it,
631
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:54.559
he's helping people, and they're like, you're not supposed to
632
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:56.920
be helping people. Now you're in trouble. Move on, you know,
633
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because they do understand that, like this is the quality
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that they're looking for in a master. And I really
635
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.119
he thought of every aspect. This director and a writer
636
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.559
thought of every aspect of this movie and what goes
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into these characters and who they have to become. And
638
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:15.079
I appreciate that and a good writing. This is really
639
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.280
well done. I do appreciate how you compared it to
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your mental health and how it's helped you, you know,
641
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:23.639
see it differently that thank you so much for seeing anything.
642
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:24.960
Can I add one last thing?
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Yeah?
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Character, So, the ability of removing or trying the best
645
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:36.159
you can, uh true, to remove the eye out of yourself,
646
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to actually try to understand other people you deal with
647
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and also people outside of your comfort zone is a
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00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:51.639
skill that as a world, as a populace of human beings,
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we suck at. And it's hard. It's very hard, but
650
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you know it's not you know, I still have ups
651
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.800
and downs, I still have issues, but it has allowed
652
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:09.519
me to try to understand myself by truly opening myself
653
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:12.880
up to what makes other people do what they do
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and not ever just flat out, you know, making a
655
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.519
flat generalization on somebody because of black and if for
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no other reasons. So many people do. That is their
657
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.079
default setting it it's very important for them to see
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for people who really want to make a difference to
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at least.
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Try so great point. I appreciate that good message too.
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00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:37.920
Will How about you, man? What does it what this
662
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:39.480
movie mean to you? I know you're very excited to
663
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:40.920
talk about it, but please listen.
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00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.800
If I wanted to give a like sort of elevator
665
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.039
pitch why you should see The thirty six Chamber of Shevelin,
666
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:50.239
I would say you start with this is a beautifully
667
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:54.119
made film. It's well acted, it's well directed, it's well staged.
668
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:56.679
Show brothers back Loot probably never looked better than I
669
00:36:56.760 --> 00:37:00.440
did in this film. So just on that first level
670
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where sometimes because you know Hong Kong filmmaking, sometimes they
671
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.119
cut corners and everything. You may not be ready for.
672
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What a beautiful production this is on that level, but
673
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.800
that on the second level, it's an emotional story that
674
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you will understand and empathize with and get. Everybody is
675
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:24.239
felt like they can't and everybody knows that feeling of
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working towards a goal and achieving it. You know when
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00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.239
you learn to ride a bike. It's something that we
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deal with from childhood till the day we die. But
679
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:40.840
then on that third level, this is a full emotional experience.
680
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:46.360
There's comedy other than romance, there's every kind of emotion
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00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.840
that you would want in a film. It transports you
682
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:53.039
to a different time, a different place, and it helps
683
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:56.159
hold up a mirror to you know how we all feel.
684
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And I also think that this is if you're interested
685
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:03.760
in the martial arts, This is absolutely the martial arts
686
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film if you haven't already seen it, that you should
687
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:11.800
start with, because this is the purest evocation of why
688
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:14.480
people do martial arts in the first place. And for
689
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:19.760
that reason, among others, it's a wonderful gift to world
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00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.119
cinema to be able to watch.
691
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This agreed, Agreed, And for me, we'll we watching it
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again as an adult with adult eyes and learning all
693
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.519
these new things, which is I suggest anybody who's seen
694
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:35.159
something as a kid go watch it with an adult perspective.
695
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It always helps and to see different themes in this.
696
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One thing I really loved about the filmmaking in the
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first act and the third act is they open it
698
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up so like when we get to the village and
699
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:50.239
they're chasing Santia around he is getting to a point
700
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where like like it feels encompassing. He's it's feels in
701
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a mad dash, a getaway. It's outside, it's filmed outside,
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it's very big, the soldiers are there. Then at the
703
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:02.159
end when he has his final fight, it's very big.
704
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It's on a cliff side and look overlooking the ocean
705
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:07.679
and mountains and everything. It's very beautiful. But everything else
706
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.840
in this movie is very contained, all on sets. Even
707
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if the cemetery scene is on sets, and in the
708
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village and everything, you don't you never really get a
709
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:20.519
broad scope of things you and I think that really
710
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helps with the direction of taking in the training more
711
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than when you get out into it. In Santee's either
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running away or he's fighting. In the beginning or the
713
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end of the movie, it is widely open. His world
714
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is now open. You said it's very universal, and I
715
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think that conveys really well. It was universal to begin with,
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then it became contains for his training, and now it's
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universally opening. It brilliantly done, well written, fantastic movie overall.
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Thank you Trevor so much for picking this one.
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I hate to r up, but I just wanted to
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one other thing kind of putting a little bit of
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an idea of you know, Will and I. So while
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and I ended up bonding over Asian cinema, and it
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was specifically John Wu.
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For me.
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It was The Killer, which also introduced me to Chigo
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Fat Donnie Lee uh, but also introduced me to a
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little bit of a different element of you know, philosophy
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I feel. I mean, if you talk to a lot
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of people our age, a lot of them ended up
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dipping their feet into world cinema and actually being a
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full fledged cinema geek with Asian cinema. And I very
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much feel that, you know, see, John Wu didn't just
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open Asian cinema for me. It was Wu and discovering
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Hong Kong that opened my eyes to horror and a
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lot of things that shaped me. So I think that's
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that's a very important element of just Asian cinema, which
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we've gone to all kinds of. But it's also very
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important to understand that this film and other films of
739
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its ilk have been used as training films. These films
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are part of many people's childhood. There is why is
741
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it so important? How did it really you know, get
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into his head and that was because these films were
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distributed to grindhouse and small cinemas for like four film showings,
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extremely hot summer in the inner city. What do you
745
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do with your dad? You sit and you go to
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the movies. And these films were the ones that were
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doing so well. And you know, Buddhism, Machinthoism, all these
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Eastern ideas of thought entered into a whole generation. And
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yet that brings back the idea of to actually be
750
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able to make a difference, to be able to take
751
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a stand, you must be able to take the stand
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for others before it becomes all encompassing of view.
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So yeah, well, there is anything you want to add
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before about the movie before we go on, only that it's.
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A real pleasure to talk about it, and I hope
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that if you see it with an open mind, it
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causes you to look deeper into the Shaw Brothers catalog,
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because there's an amazing repository of great films there that
759
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are just underseen by cinema files worldwide, and then I
760
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:36.960
think are just now getting their due because they've been
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restored and remastered into such beautiful quality. And take the
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time to read my articles about them at forces of
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geek dot com, you plug and city on fire dot com,
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and just enjoy this journey through cinema that we go
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through because there's always something, there's always an undiscovered country.
766
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Exactly I am. And I'm definitely jumping on Luang's filmography.
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I want to see a lot more from him. I
768
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definitely want to see the other two movies in this trilogy.
769
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This is fantastic. I had such a good sign with this.
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I can't wait to check it out again. I will
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be watching this movie again with my kids. Uh. And
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it's just it is like, if I can sell anybody
773
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:20.559
and checking this out, absolutely go do it. It is
774
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a well crafted story, it's a fun story, great characters.
775
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I actually, I think this is one of the only
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ones I can think of where it's completely male characters. Right,
777
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I didn't there are no female characters.
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In this, which I think the miller's got a girlfriend,
779
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but you're right. Other than that, there's not a single other. Yeah,
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that's it's like the thing. It's a it's an entirely
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male film.
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But it's a but. And I don't want to make
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it a sexism thing or anything like that. I think
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of it more along the lines of like the thing
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it was supposed to be that it was meant to
786
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be that, like, it wasn't meant to exclude anybody, It
787
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was just meant to tell this story at this time. Oh,
788
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I'm sure to go oh no no, So for me,
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I again, I appreciate stories that take and I think
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they stand out. They take the chances like that and
791
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things like that and tell good stories for the sake
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of telling a good story.
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And I think that it's worthwhile. Because you brought that
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up to very quickly mention that the earliest wo Shaw
795
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films were they had sort of virginal warrior goddesses who
796
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weren't really like you couldn't you couldn't go up to them.
797
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They weren't like real people. And then after One Armed Swordsman,
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Hong Kong action was almost completely male dominated because that's
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where they shangsh thought the money was. That's what he
800
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was interested in lockhow long through his career as you
801
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:46.480
investigate his filmography brought back women to the four But
802
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also he's the first one who had them in kind
803
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of like if you see My Young Auntie where they're
804
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getting chased by the boys while they're fighting, you know
805
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what I mean there's it's like how to navigate women
806
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and in the martial arts in the modern age as
807
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opposed to kind of the King Hugh woman in disguise
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that no one's actually you know what I mean, No
809
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:12.559
one's actually pursuing for love. So if you're interested in
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those themes that you're watching this cast, definitely check out
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My Young Auntie, which I believe is available on the
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first Shastco volume from Arrow, and the film we've been
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watching is available or talking about is available on the
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second along with its sequels.
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I love it. I'm sorry to keep going. What they
816
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wanted to point out was you mentioned, of course, being
817
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a very male centric film, and it is also at
818
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its core a fight film. So by nature, I mean
819
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how I would view Rocky versus this film. Rocky is
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a celebration of masculinity.
821
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This well, I mean, okay, we're gonna have to do
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another episode, Yeah.
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Just another episode in the fact that so, this film
824
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is about understanding yourself, separate from your instinct. It is
825
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not an anti masculinity film. It is a true film
826
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about personal development and understanding. And you know, a lot
827
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of films, especially in this genre, don't have that element.
828
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That you know, to be enlightened, to be the next
829
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to achieve your personal goals, you must remove yourself from
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yourself entirely.
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Yeah, and I just want I just want to clarify
832
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very quickly, like if it wasn't clear for what I'm saying,
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lack how long is somebody who really believes in meeting
834
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a good woman and having like a wife and children.
835
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And that's how we pass on the knowledge. And that's
836
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part of development, which is why one of his first
837
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film's executioners from Challin is literally about a woman and
838
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.840
man from Shallin who pass on there too, kung fus
839
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to their son who embodies some traits of both of
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them so that he can fight Pie May, who the
841
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character that Quentin Tarantino used in Kill Bill. So yeah,
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I would lean towards what you were sort of mentioning that.
843
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It's just it's like the thing, it's incidental that this
844
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is a completely male movie because that's what Shallon Temple was, Like,
845
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that's just how the story went that time, I know.
846
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So I think it's important to mention too like it.
847
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And when it comes to stories like this, yes, it
848
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is important, you know, to stick to the tradition but
849
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why the tradition is there and what it meant, and
850
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this film does it perfectly. The only thing I will
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hard argue when it comes to Rocky is yes, every
852
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single Rocky film, including the Creed films, is all about masculinity.
853
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Not argue that first one, though, I would argue that
854
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it is one man's fight against the masculine world. That
855
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what she's met. I will agree with that. That's it.
856
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And that's why I think that movie stands out as
857
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a masterpiece is because you have this man much like
858
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we have Sante going and it is about introspective him
859
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in finding himself and what he wants, what's his goal.
860
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Everybody's telling him what he should go for, and then
861
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when he finally does it, he finds that enlightenment within himself.
862
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And that's why I think that is a great movie.
863
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I don't mind all of them, but I'm not crappy.
864
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I think it's a testament to the seventies. Yeah, it is.
865
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American new wave cinema of the seventies, and it does
866
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have all these aspects, but you know, it's it has
867
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a lot to do with the internal story between him
868
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:43.559
and Adrian and everything, and this is a very Okay,
869
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:49.480
you are still functioning, but you you hit a point
870
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where you're no longer battling the eye in Diana.
871
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Yeah, but no, no, I want to say thank you
872
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guys for all of your insights on this film and
873
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:02.679
get me to watch it and then coming on here
874
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:06.079
and talking about it. I absolutely love this film. I
875
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:09.519
cannot wait to catch the rest and really kind of
876
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:13.760
deep dive looking into new stuff, and especially I'm very
877
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.920
excited to see this director's work. So I want to
878
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:18.639
say thank you guys again. We're gonna have all your
879
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links down below, so to make sure to go check
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them out and follow from one of these two very
881
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:24.960
smart men who know in their movies. So go and
882
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:27.320
check them out and hang out with them and be
883
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:28.760
a part of it. I want to thank you guys
884
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:32.639
again for jumping on. Will Trevor really appreciate you. Go
885
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down into links below, go check them out. What's going on, guys,
886
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we're talking about the movie Good Rich. I'm reviewing it
887
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for this episode, and of course starts Michael Keaton Melacunis.
888
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:42.639
Michael Keaton plays an older gentleman who's married to a
889
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younger woman, has two young twins that and a boy
890
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:47.760
and a girl that he has never really been around for.
891
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:50.519
Mela Cunis plays his daughter from another marriage, who he
892
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.039
also neglected as growing up. He was always sort of
893
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a nice guy, but very into his work. He's an
894
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.360
art dealer. But when his wife has to go to
895
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rehab because she finds herself having some problems, he he
896
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thrust in and he has to take over just every day,
897
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day to day life of not only just being a
898
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business owner, but being a single father taking care of
899
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:09.440
two kids that he really doesn't know much about. And
900
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he's trying to connect with his older daughter, maybe have
901
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her help him while she's pregnant herself. And through this
902
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he learns to discover himself and who he wants to
903
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be as a father and as a man. That's right.
904
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:20.199
Michael Keaton did a great job in this movie. His
905
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:23.199
performance definitely stands out. But the movie overall was just
906
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sort of a miss for me. The story just wasn't there.
907
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I didn't think Miila Kunas's character had a lot of
908
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death to her until the very end. That's when you
909
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:32.679
start to really get in there, but it was too
910
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late by that point. And he really did pick up
911
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the pieces and try and pick up and become a
912
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better person. So there was not so much in the
913
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way of drama of like, he really needs to change,
914
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He needed to become more aware of what was going
915
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on around him and his family and everything like that,
916
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:48.920
less engaged in work and starts to really start balancing
917
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out his life. And once he does, it hits its
918
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stride and it becomes really good. Now, when it comes
919
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to certain elements of this movie, like the wife leaving
920
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and her reasons for not talking to him, things like that,
921
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it just didn't really fit well in the movie. It
922
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seemed very jarring. There's no real explanation or closure on
923
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some things. But it wasn't a bad movie. I'd give
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it a two out of five. That's my rating for
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this one. I love to know what you guys think.
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Sound off, let us know. This is our reviews. Of course,
927
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we're doing them a little bit differently, so I hope
928
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:13.360
you enjoy him. Let us know what you think of
929
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the movie. Like I said, sound off in the comments,
930
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:17.079
or you can head over to our discord. But let's
931
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:20.000
get started on our next review. We're reviewing the movie here.
932
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And that's right. The movie just stays in one spot.
933
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That's the whole gimmick of this film. The camera stays
934
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in one spot, follows a room. Now it goes from
935
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the prehistoric days to the Native American days, to Benjamin
936
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Franklin for some reason, and a whole bunch of other
937
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people that live in this house. That's right in a way,
938
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and we see outside the picturesque window. But our main
939
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focus to this story of the Star is Tom Hanks,
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Robin Wright, Kelly Riley, and Paul Bettany. They play part
941
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of this family. Paul Bettany and Kelly Riley play a
942
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married couple right after World War Two. They buy this
943
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house and they raise their family, and we get to
944
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watch that all the way through. How he raises this
945
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one son and his son stays in the house and
946
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his family and kind of like the trials and tribulations
947
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that go to everyday living in this home. It's an
948
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interesting tale. Robert semeckis one of my favorite directors whom
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I love, but in my opinion, hasn't made a really
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good movie since Flight. It's just been sort of a
951
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miss for me. Like this is a very cool gimmick.
952
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It's different, it's within his wheelhouse of sentiment, but also
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giving us some really clever shots and things like that.
954
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Some visual effects that really stand out, But for me,
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it just didn't hit. It was kind of a cheesy
956
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story to begin with. It doesn't really give you too much.
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It cuts way too much all over the place. I mean,
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the Benjamin Franklin thing kind of throws me off. Then
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you get to the Lazy Boy and then some pilot,
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and like, there's just too many stories and I get
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where the themes meet. It's just too many personalities. Try
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and keep track up while you're watching this movie, and
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then when you get into it, you start getting sentimentally,
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you start caring about these characters, and they cut to
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a completely different character. I didn't love this movie. I
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give it for its experimental nature and some very cool
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shots and some really clever stuff and some fun acting
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at times. I give it a two out of five.
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It isn't something that really blew me away. It's nothing
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i'll probably ever check out again. And I did not
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like any of the visual effects when it came to
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the deaging process. But overall, I mean, this has a
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lot of sentiment. I think a lot of people might
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really check it out, So let us know what you think.
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Sound them off in comments or head over to our
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discord check it out. Hey guys, it's time for our
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new Mixed movie pick of the Week and I went
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with one of my all time favorites, who was actually
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given to me the Sea first time, only about five
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years ago, from our guest Trevor Tonight. I absolutely love
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this movie. It's called The Wages of Fear. It's about
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a few South American men who are hired to drive
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trucks of nitel glisser all the way through the mountains
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to get it over to a burning fire that desperately
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needs to be put out. I absolutely love this movie.
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The tension in it is better than anything I've ever
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seen in any movie. I absolutely stand by that it
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was made nineteen fifty three, so go check this one out.
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It has subtitles. It is a foreign film, but it
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is definitely worth it. It's hard, it's heartbreak, it's thrilling,
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and there's so much to it. Let us know what
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you think. We also did our classic film reviews, so
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go check us out on YouTube. Gotta hit like it.
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It's subscribed and you gotta hit the bells. And you
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know when stuff like that comes out. We go a
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little more in depth on those shows and we get
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into the background and such, so I can't wait for
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you to check that out. Remember Wages of Fear everybody
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from nineteen fifty three. Let us know what you think. Hey, guys,
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thanks for watching our show. Really truly appreciate you being here. Guys,
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We'll be doing more in the future for sure, but
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We know you do too, So join this nomination, hit like,
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for some more fun times for Christmas coming up, so
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please let us know what you think. Sound off. We
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can't wait and be a part of it. Until next time,
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remember to be kind, stay classy, and take care of yourselves.
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