Our Tournament Experience

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Skyler G:
Welcome, everybody to another
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episode of the Role Phase
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podcast.
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Skyler G:
My name is Skyler G. And joining
me for this beautiful, beautiful
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podcast that we all know and
love is Bill Frosby.
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Skyler G:
Bill Frosby, welcome back to the
show.
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Skyler G:
Hello.
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Skyler G:
Now I say welcome back to the
show because I'm the guy that
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sets up all the equipment.
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Skyler G:
Yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
And then you come into my house.
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Skyler G:
It is your house.
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Skyler G:
So yeah, I guess we are at a bit
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of a conflict here when it comes
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to like the concept of welcoming
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somebody.
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Bill Frosby:
It's a mutual.
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Skyler G:
It's a.
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Bill Frosby:
Podcast.
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Skyler G:
Well, if that's the case, why
don't you give me a nice
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welcome, Schuyler G.
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Bill Frosby:
Hey everybody, welcome to the
the The Role podcast.
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Bill Frosby:
I'm your host, Bill Frosby,
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joined today by, uh, Peter
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Parker.
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Skyler G:
No, don't.
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Skyler G:
No!
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Skyler G:
Don't tell him my secret.
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Bill Frosby:
Oh, Skyler.
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Skyler G:
No, no. It's Spider-Man.
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Bill Frosby:
Spider-Man.
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Skyler G:
Spider-Man.
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Skyler G:
But my alter ego is Peter
Parker.
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Skyler G:
No. No, no. Uh, sorry.
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Skyler G:
The old.
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How does that work?
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Which one's the alter ego?
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Is that the one I'm hiding
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behind or the one that I'm
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secretly being?
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Bill Frosby:
Um.
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Skyler G:
Which is.
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Bill Frosby:
Which?
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Bill Frosby:
Let me Google this.
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Bill Frosby:
Um, it's.
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Bill Frosby:
Oh, you you're, uh.
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Jason.
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Skyler G:
Nobody's gonna get that joke.
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Skyler G:
Jason Statham.
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Bill Frosby:
Jason Statham.
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Skyler G:
Yes, I'm the beekeeper.
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Bill Frosby:
You're the beekeeper, Jason.
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Skyler G:
I can't be the beekeeper.
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Skyler G:
I'm allergic to bee stings.
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Skyler G:
Yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
That's a shame, Peter.
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Skyler G:
It is.
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Skyler G:
And for today's topic, we are
going to be discussing our
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experience within tournaments.
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Now both of us have real life I
r l tournament experience when
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it comes to dice Zone tournament
at our local game store.
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Skyler G:
Uh, but Bill, you're the only
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one with the online tournament
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experience.
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Bill Frosby:
Yeah. Yeah, sure.
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Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
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Skyler G:
You, you have a little bit of
opportunity to, to jump in and
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throw in your two cents.
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And I really won't be able to
match that.
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Skyler G:
Uh, as far as the online
tournament stuff goes.
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But I figure if anything, we, we
start with our, our experience
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in-person tournaments and then
we can discuss your online.
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Bill Frosby:
What if we started.
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This is a crazy curveball I'm
throwing at you at the start.
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Skyler G:
I don't know, I don't know
sports metaphors, dad.
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Bill Frosby:
What if we, uh, start with.
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Bill Frosby:
So we did a lot of tournaments
when we were, um, yeah, uh, uh,
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a lot of one v one tournaments
before we started playing the
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first official ranked season.
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Skyler G:
Right.
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Skyler G:
With our friends.
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Bill Frosby:
And I was going through, uh, one
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of my old, like, just my old
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drive.
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Right.
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Uh, and I found I made a list of
ranking all twenty four
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characters, uh, back this was
back in twenty twenty three.
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So, uh, it's, uh, season one,
season two in Marvel, right?
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Because this is before we.
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Skyler G:
Got X-Men.
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eight sixteen, twenty oh eight,
eight sixteen.
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Skyler G:
Twenty four right.
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Bill Frosby:
Four yeah, that means I forgot
someone.
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Bill Frosby:
Um, well, maybe.
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Skyler G:
We'll be able to figure it out
as we go through.
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Bill Frosby:
Oh, wait, no, twenty four.
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I've got twenty four.
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Bill Frosby:
Oh yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
Okay.
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And so I ranked them um back.
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This was back in twenty three.
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And this was before we knew the
meta.
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All right.
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Uh, and this was me basically
just taking from the experience
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of watching dice drones.
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Skyler G:
Watching us play.
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Bill Frosby:
Watching us play, knowing what
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the meta is playing a lot
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competitively.
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Skyler G:
You just said you didn't know
the meta.
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Bill Frosby:
No, no. Now I know the meta,
right?
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Bill Frosby:
But this was just our meta.
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Skyler G:
Oh, okay.
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Skyler G:
I see what you're saying.
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Skyler G:
Okay.
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Bill Frosby:
And so I thought it'd be funny
if I just.
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Skyler G:
Went.
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Bill Frosby:
Through from twenty fourth to
first.
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Skyler G:
Wow. Okay.
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Bill Frosby:
And just talked about this was
back in and.
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Skyler G:
Obviously I was.
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Bill Frosby:
There and yeah, and this the
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only, the only reference we had
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was our, our once a year
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tournament.
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Skyler G:
Sometimes we did two years.
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Bill Frosby:
Sometimes a year, but it was
just and we also didn't know
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Swiss format was a thing.
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Bill Frosby:
Sure.
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Skyler G:
Yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
That's true.
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Bill Frosby:
So we would do double
eliminations.
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Yeah.
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Also was another factor as well.
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Skyler G:
Which all things considered,
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kind of help with us developing
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a meta because we played a lot
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of games.
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Skyler G:
Yeah, a lot of games.
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Bill Frosby:
So Swiss you play a lot because
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you guaranteed to play all the
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games.
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Bill Frosby:
Mhm.
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Bill Frosby:
Well double elimination once
you're out you're out, right?
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Skyler G:
That's true.
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Skyler G:
But usually, even if people were
out, they went and just played a
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couple games with the other
person that got out.
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Bill Frosby:
So we play a lot anyways.
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Bill Frosby:
Uh, also, but here's another
thing, and this might be the
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more important thing to say.
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We also played whenever we
didn't play those tournaments.
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We played a lot of free for all.
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Yes.
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In a larger group setting.
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Right, right.
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And so when I made this list, I
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think we played more Dice Stones
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free for all than we did
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tournaments.
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And so when I made this list, my
idea of what a good character
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was, a combination of how they
did in one v one and how they
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did in free for all.
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Skyler G:
Interesting, which we usually
did like King of the Hill
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format, King of the Hill.
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Skyler G:
So that's.
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Bill Frosby:
Important. Yeah, I'm prefacing
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this because number twenty four,
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the bottom of this list is
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Pyromancer.
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Skyler G:
Oh, interesting.
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Skyler G:
Because it's very.
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Bill Frosby:
Pyromancer was very squishy.
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Skyler G:
Yes.
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Bill Frosby:
And in free for all is awful
because she just takes damage
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and can't really.
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Skyler G:
She can't focus on one person
alive.
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Bill Frosby:
Yeah, that was a big thing is
like she would get one down
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really quick before she could
have like a couple turns.
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Skyler G:
Yep.
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Bill Frosby:
Uh, and she sucked in freefall
for that reason.
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Uh, and then I, because of that,
no one ever played her in one V
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ones, uh, because of how she did
in free for all.
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And so because of that, our
whole group just saw her as the
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worst character because no one
touched her in one v one.
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I don't think anyone ever played
her in tournaments.
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Skyler G:
That's fantastic.
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Bill Frosby:
Like up to the I made this
thing.
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We had to at least played four
tournaments and I don't think
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anyone played Pyromancer.
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Skyler G:
And however many group plays
that we did.
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Skyler G:
Yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
And I yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
So she was twenty four and so.
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Skyler G:
Wow.
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Bill Frosby:
Now I know that was awful to
say.
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Uh, she's back when it was just
season one, season two.
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And Marvel, she was very strong.
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She would have been like top,
maybe even five.
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Yeah.
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At that point, especially with
newer players.
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Yeah, that's the thing she does
better against newer players.
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Yeah.
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That's where she gets her
strength.
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Absolutely.
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Just people who don't know how
to really stop her, you know,
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slow her down.
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Uh, and so like in our
tournaments with a bunch of
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casual people, um, she would be
dominant in no one player.
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Bill Frosby:
So true.
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Bill Frosby:
That's funny.
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Uh, number twenty three.
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This was also kind of crazy
ninja interesting.
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Uh, ninjas.
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Decent.
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Solid.
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Yeah.
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Like in the actual game.
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I think she's decent, but we
thought she was terrible.
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My reasoning for why I think she
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was all the way down in twenty
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third out of twenty four was
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Bill Frosby:
because.
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Bill Frosby:
I don't know, I don't think
anyone played her.
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Bill Frosby:
And I think that's why I think a
common trait for a lot of the
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players on this list is that no
one played them.
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Bill Frosby:
And because no one played them,
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Bill Frosby:
I didn't have a reference for
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them, so I just threw them at
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the bottom.
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Skyler G:
I, if I remember correctly, what
it always came down to is you
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Skyler G:
had somebody that wanted to play
an edgy character.
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Skyler G:
And there are two options we
always gave them were Ninja and
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Skyler G:
Shadow Thief, and they always
chose Shadow Thief, which to be
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Skyler G:
fair, knowing the meta that we
know now was a better choice by
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Skyler G:
far, but I digress.
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Skyler G:
I think that's what happened
also.
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Bill Frosby:
Yeah, yeah, no, I think you're
right.
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Bill Frosby:
I think it was just like, if you
want to play a shadowy, dodgy
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character, everyone just would
pick Shadow Thief over Ninja.
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Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
And we also knew Shadow Thief
was good, right?
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Bill Frosby:
Like we didn't know.
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Bill Frosby:
It seemed like it worked out
why.
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Bill Frosby:
We just knew thief was good.
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Bill Frosby:
It also makes sense if you're
comparing Shadow Thief and Ninja
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Bill Frosby:
like as your only two
characters, you're comparing one
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Bill Frosby:
Dodge is all damage, while the
other one dodges like has it.
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Bill Frosby:
One's a one hundred percent
dodge, while the other has a
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fifty percent Dodge.
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Bill Frosby:
Sure, that makes sense.
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Bill Frosby:
So then we all probably are
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like, well, that's clearly
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Bill Frosby:
stronger because it's guaranteed
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dodge.
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Skyler G:
So that's fair.
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Bill Frosby:
So, uh, number twenty two was
gunslinger.
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Skyler G:
Okay.
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Bill Frosby:
Interesting is bad.
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Skyler G:
Sure.
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Bill Frosby:
So the fact gunslingers at the
bottom makes sense.
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Bill Frosby:
Not that bad.
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Skyler G:
I'm going to tell you one right
now.
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Bill Frosby:
Competitive dice.
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Bill Frosby:
Stones.
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Bill Frosby:
Stones are gunslingers
regardless.
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Bill Frosby:
Like one of the worst.
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Skyler G:
Really?
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Skyler G:
Yeah. Oh, okay.
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Skyler G:
Fair enough.
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Bill Frosby:
So. But we we always had one
player, always play gunslinger.
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Bill Frosby:
And he always did fine with her.
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Bill Frosby:
So I don't know why.
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Skyler G:
She's got a lot of practice.
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Bill Frosby:
I think I put her low because I
knew she wasn't the best.
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Bill Frosby:
And he was the only one that
played her.
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Skyler G:
So he got all the practice in.
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Skyler G:
He understood the character.
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Bill Frosby:
He also never did good.
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Skyler G:
Whoo!
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Skyler G:
Oh, okay.
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Bill Frosby:
Yeah. Uh, number twenty one was
vampire Lord.
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Skyler G:
Interesting.
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Bill Frosby:
I think vampire Lord was is
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Bill Frosby:
stronger than this spot, for
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Bill Frosby:
sure.
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Bill Frosby:
But it was just the fact that,
like, I don't think anyone
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Bill Frosby:
played it right.
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Skyler G:
That's fair.
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Bill Frosby:
And so I think it was just a lot
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Bill Frosby:
of faltering and just no one
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Bill Frosby:
really touched.
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Skyler G:
Yeah, I think that's a fair
point.
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Skyler G:
I think a lot of losses.
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Skyler G:
I think a lot of people played
her.
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Skyler G:
I think they thought she was
cool, which she is.
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Skyler G:
She is.
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Skyler G:
It's just yeah, like she said, a
lot of losses.
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Skyler G:
They were very unfamiliar with
how how to play her.
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Bill Frosby:
So she has a little higher skill
cap.
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Bill Frosby:
Uh, Captain Marvel, I think she
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Bill Frosby:
just low because no one played
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Bill Frosby:
her.
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Skyler G:
That's fair.
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Bill Frosby:
Noone else.
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Bill Frosby:
I think when I made this, I did
have a decent understanding that
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Bill Frosby:
she had no undefendable damage.
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Bill Frosby:
I knew that was bad.
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Bill Frosby:
I didn't understand how bad it
was.
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Bill Frosby:
Um, but now that I know the game
I know why noone else low.
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Bill Frosby:
But yeah, that's why I put her
low.
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Bill Frosby:
Uh, number eighteen is Black
Panther.
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Bill Frosby:
Black Panther is really not
decently strong as matchup
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Bill Frosby:
dependent for sure.
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Bill Frosby:
But I put him low because I felt
like he was in the same
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Bill Frosby:
department as Pyromancer, where
he gets hit a lot and really
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Bill Frosby:
can't do much to stop it.
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Skyler G:
Yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
Uh.
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Skyler G:
And so I think that's another
instance of we didn't know how
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Skyler G:
to play him correctly.
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Skyler G:
And so it's like, no, no, no, I
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Skyler G:
want to encourage to a certain
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Skyler G:
extent the damage coming in, but
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Skyler G:
I also need to, you know, sort
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Skyler G:
of mitigate it and stuff like
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Skyler G:
that.
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Skyler G:
So yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
Number seventeen Loki.
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Skyler G:
Interesting.
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Bill Frosby:
I think it was just I saw his
board.
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Bill Frosby:
The other characters just did
more than he did.
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Skyler G:
And he's very much like a goof
around kind of character.
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Bill Frosby:
Like no one took him seriously.
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Skyler G:
Yeah. And I think that
definitely hurt.
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Skyler G:
I, I know I played him at least
once in one of our tournaments.
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Skyler G:
It was fun.
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Bill Frosby:
Yeah. No, everyone had fun with
him.
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Bill Frosby:
I just, I don't think anyone
took him serious.
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Bill Frosby:
Right.
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Skyler G:
And also he wouldn't do well in
group play either.
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Bill Frosby:
No, no. Uh, yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
Uh, Seraph is sixteen.
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Bill Frosby:
Okay.
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Skyler G:
I know your criticisms of
Seraph.
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Bill Frosby:
Well, it's just she's weak.
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Skyler G:
Yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
She doesn't hit as hard as other
characters.
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Bill Frosby:
Her defense is pretty bad, and
her flight is very inconsistent
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Bill Frosby:
versus other forms of evades.
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Bill Frosby:
Um, but we put her high because
of Paladin.
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Bill Frosby:
I put her high because Paladin
because we just thought she was
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Bill Frosby:
an off brand paladin.
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Bill Frosby:
And we're like, well, paladins.
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Bill Frosby:
Good.
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Bill Frosby:
So Sarah must be decent, you
know?
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Skyler G:
And it's funny because that's
exactly how I treated her.
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Skyler G:
Well, that's why she's decent
heights.
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Bill Frosby:
Because you were the only one
that really played her.
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Bill Frosby:
And it was for that reason.
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Bill Frosby:
And so I'm like, well, I don't
play her.
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Skyler G:
But I typically.
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Bill Frosby:
Likes the player, so I'll put
her near the middle.
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Skyler G:
I think I won like a good, let's
call it like sixty five percent
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Skyler G:
of the time when I played her.
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Skyler G:
So yeah, if not higher.
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Bill Frosby:
All right. Number fifteen.
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Bill Frosby:
Okay. Spider-Man.
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Skyler G:
Wow. That's a pretty low ranking
for such a cool dude.
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Bill Frosby:
I will say.
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Bill Frosby:
I will say I think.
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Skyler G:
I'm honestly surprised thinking
back to the tournament.
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Skyler G:
Look.
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Bill Frosby:
Um, so this was right around
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Bill Frosby:
after Marvel came out because I
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Bill Frosby:
think Marvel came out early
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Bill Frosby:
twenty three.
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Bill Frosby:
Uh, and X-Men's win the the
patch came right.
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Bill Frosby:
Spider-Man with.
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Skyler G:
The web.
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Bill Frosby:
So Spider-Man being in the
middle without that web change
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Bill Frosby:
actually makes total sense
because it was pretty weak.
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Skyler G:
Sure, I understand that.
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Bill Frosby:
But consistent two extra
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Bill Frosby:
isolated damage is really
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Bill Frosby:
strong.
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Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
That you can do.
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Bill Frosby:
Like you in a typical Spider-Man
game are dealing around eight to
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Bill Frosby:
ten damage with that web you're
putting around that many on the
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Bill Frosby:
on a person makes sense.
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Skyler G:
So that's pretty.
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Bill Frosby:
Helpful.
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Bill Frosby:
Um, samurai was right in the
middle.
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Skyler G:
That's incredible to me.
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Skyler G:
That's incredible.
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Bill Frosby:
Should have been higher.
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Skyler G:
No, I think he should have been
way lower.
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Skyler G:
And I'll tell you exactly why.
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Bill Frosby:
Because you always played him.
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Skyler G:
And I contributed the majority
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Skyler G:
of the numbers of plays on
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Skyler G:
samurai.
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00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:06,039
Skyler G:
Yeah.
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Skyler G:
Lost every single time.
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Skyler G:
I did not win a single game.
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Skyler G:
Bill.
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Skyler G:
Bill, I want you to ask me the
obvious question.
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Bill Frosby:
Yeah. Why?
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Skyler G:
Skyler, why did you continue to
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Skyler G:
play samurai if you lost every
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Skyler G:
single time?
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Bill Frosby:
I wasn't going to ask that
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Bill Frosby:
because I know exactly why,
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Bill Frosby:
because I.
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Skyler G:
I don't know why.
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Skyler G:
He's a cool character.
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Bill Frosby:
That's why I would have done it.
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Bill Frosby:
I wanted I want samurai to be
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Bill Frosby:
good just because I like the
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Bill Frosby:
character.
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Bill Frosby:
That's why I really like we.
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Bill Frosby:
So in that character, when we
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Bill Frosby:
were talking about future
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Bill Frosby:
characters and there was that
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Bill Frosby:
Ronin character we talked about,
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Bill Frosby:
I really hope they make that
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Bill Frosby:
Ronin character and they make it
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Bill Frosby:
fun and enjoyable and good
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Bill Frosby:
because I just wanted fun
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Bill Frosby:
samurai character.
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Bill Frosby:
Yeah, because I play samurai
still.
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Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
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Bill Frosby:
Uh, I usually play him in like I
don't play it in like the, the
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00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,059
Bill Frosby:
Free Hawks penultimate, uh,
because it's too competitive.
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Bill Frosby:
But there's the casual side
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Bill Frosby:
leagues where they kind of like
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Bill Frosby:
switch up the format and do fun
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Bill Frosby:
things.
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Bill Frosby:
Like I thought, I think we
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Bill Frosby:
talked about the arcade with
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Bill Frosby:
like, you pay credits to play
443
00:14:03,700 --> 00:14:04,340
Bill Frosby:
certain characters.
444
00:14:04,340 --> 00:14:05,700
Bill Frosby:
I played samurai a ton in that
445
00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:07,980
Bill Frosby:
one because he's cheap and he's
446
00:14:07,980 --> 00:14:08,659
Bill Frosby:
consistent.
447
00:14:08,659 --> 00:14:09,059
Bill Frosby:
Yes.
448
00:14:09,059 --> 00:14:10,940
Bill Frosby:
So like, if it's not the high
449
00:14:10,940 --> 00:14:12,100
Bill Frosby:
competitive level, but it's more
450
00:14:12,100 --> 00:14:13,419
Bill Frosby:
fun side tournaments, I'll toss
451
00:14:13,419 --> 00:14:15,419
Bill Frosby:
in samurai every once in a while
452
00:14:15,419 --> 00:14:16,700
Bill Frosby:
because I have fun playing
453
00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:17,019
Bill Frosby:
samurai.
454
00:14:17,019 --> 00:14:18,379
Bill Frosby:
I enjoy him, I think he's a cool
455
00:14:18,379 --> 00:14:20,059
Bill Frosby:
character and I love his, his
456
00:14:20,059 --> 00:14:21,139
Bill Frosby:
art, the concept, everything
457
00:14:21,139 --> 00:14:21,539
Bill Frosby:
about it.
458
00:14:21,539 --> 00:14:25,100
Bill Frosby:
So, um, number thirteen
Huntress.
459
00:14:25,139 --> 00:14:29,740
Skyler G:
Interesting. Okay. I feel like
we had one person that really
460
00:14:29,740 --> 00:14:31,769
Skyler G:
played mostly Huntress, so no.
461
00:14:31,570 --> 00:14:33,210
Bill Frosby:
one touched Honduras.
462
00:14:33,210 --> 00:14:36,850
Bill Frosby:
And then our buddy Dylan played
463
00:14:36,850 --> 00:14:39,929
Bill Frosby:
his very first dice game ever
464
00:14:39,929 --> 00:14:41,730
Bill Frosby:
played Huntress.
465
00:14:41,730 --> 00:14:44,370
Bill Frosby:
And this was like our phone, one
of our earlier tournaments.
466
00:14:44,370 --> 00:14:44,970
Bill Frosby:
Right?
467
00:14:44,970 --> 00:14:48,149
Bill Frosby:
And we didn't have our rule for
that tournament where you could
468
00:14:48,149 --> 00:14:50,129
Bill Frosby:
only play one character once.
469
00:14:50,090 --> 00:14:50,690
Skyler G:
Okay.
470
00:14:50,529 --> 00:14:54,429
Bill Frosby:
Uh, we actually do that rule
after this tournament because
471
00:14:54,429 --> 00:14:56,850
Bill Frosby:
our buddy Dylan played Huntress.
472
00:14:56,850 --> 00:14:57,210
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
473
00:14:57,210 --> 00:14:59,450
Bill Frosby:
And it proceeded to only play
Huntress for the rest of that
474
00:14:59,450 --> 00:15:01,090
Bill Frosby:
day because he was new to dice.
475
00:15:01,090 --> 00:15:02,690
Bill Frosby:
So he's like, I'm just gonna
stick with this character.
476
00:15:02,690 --> 00:15:03,809
Bill Frosby:
I like the concept.
477
00:15:03,649 --> 00:15:04,289
Skyler G:
Yeah.
478
00:15:04,289 --> 00:15:06,129
Bill Frosby:
And I'm going to the
championship.
479
00:15:06,129 --> 00:15:07,889
Bill Frosby:
Never lost and won the
championship.
480
00:15:07,889 --> 00:15:09,370
Bill Frosby:
Only playing Huntress.
481
00:15:09,370 --> 00:15:09,769
Skyler G:
Uh.
482
00:15:10,330 --> 00:15:13,289
Bill Frosby:
Which was a crazy run, uh, for a
brand new person.
483
00:15:13,289 --> 00:15:14,529
Bill Frosby:
But I guess his dice were just
484
00:15:14,529 --> 00:15:15,769
Bill Frosby:
rolling hot that day, or he just
485
00:15:15,769 --> 00:15:16,909
Bill Frosby:
really got the concept of
486
00:15:16,909 --> 00:15:17,769
Bill Frosby:
Huntress.
487
00:15:17,769 --> 00:15:22,889
Bill Frosby:
Um, and, uh, that's probably why
she's higher than I would put
488
00:15:22,889 --> 00:15:26,090
Bill Frosby:
her normally, uh, because of
that run, because no one ever
489
00:15:26,090 --> 00:15:27,129
Bill Frosby:
played her otherwise.
490
00:15:27,129 --> 00:15:28,129
Bill Frosby:
I don't, I think he's the only
491
00:15:28,129 --> 00:15:29,399
Bill Frosby:
one to ever play her in one of
492
00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:29,870
Bill Frosby:
our tournaments.
493
00:15:29,870 --> 00:15:31,269
Bill Frosby:
I don't think anyone else
touched her.
494
00:15:31,269 --> 00:15:31,990
Bill Frosby:
No.
495
00:15:32,309 --> 00:15:33,350
Skyler G:
Until after that.
496
00:15:33,190 --> 00:15:33,909
Bill Frosby:
Until after that.
497
00:15:33,909 --> 00:15:35,509
Bill Frosby:
And even then, I don't think
many people.
498
00:15:35,350 --> 00:15:36,230
Skyler G:
Not too many.
499
00:15:36,149 --> 00:15:37,830
Bill Frosby:
When they did, they lost
immediately and they're like,
500
00:15:37,830 --> 00:15:38,710
Bill Frosby:
okay, we're not playing this.
501
00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:39,429
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
502
00:15:39,429 --> 00:15:40,230
Skyler G:
Interesting.
503
00:15:40,070 --> 00:15:41,190
Bill Frosby:
Yeah. So number thirteen.
504
00:15:41,190 --> 00:15:42,669
Bill Frosby:
Number twelve, Scarlet Witch.
505
00:15:42,669 --> 00:15:43,269
Bill Frosby:
Okay.
506
00:15:43,990 --> 00:15:44,470
Skyler G:
Fair enough.
507
00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:47,870
Skyler G:
Yeah. That's a that's a
reasonable place to put her.
508
00:15:47,870 --> 00:15:49,789
Bill Frosby:
Here's the next one's crazy.
509
00:15:49,789 --> 00:15:52,149
Bill Frosby:
Number eleven, black Widow.
510
00:15:52,750 --> 00:15:54,389
Skyler G:
Interesting.
511
00:15:54,389 --> 00:15:58,230
Skyler G:
One of the top the number one
slash two slash two.
512
00:15:58,350 --> 00:15:59,309
Bill Frosby:
Down at eleven.
513
00:15:59,309 --> 00:16:01,870
Bill Frosby:
And I think I was thinking about
this.
514
00:16:01,870 --> 00:16:03,470
Bill Frosby:
And I think the reason she's so
515
00:16:03,470 --> 00:16:04,470
Bill Frosby:
low is because I don't think
516
00:16:04,470 --> 00:16:05,789
Bill Frosby:
people understood.
517
00:16:05,789 --> 00:16:09,549
Bill Frosby:
People weren't using her covert
ops correctly.
518
00:16:09,549 --> 00:16:13,889
Bill Frosby:
Um, I remember way back when,
when I was explaining to someone
519
00:16:13,889 --> 00:16:18,509
Bill Frosby:
why Scarlet Witch is why Black
Widow is good, but I remember
520
00:16:18,509 --> 00:16:23,330
Bill Frosby:
talking about how she was
inconsistent because I was like,
521
00:16:23,330 --> 00:16:27,070
Bill Frosby:
if she gets this one passive
upgrade, she's really strong.
522
00:16:26,950 --> 00:16:27,889
Skyler G:
You told me that?
523
00:16:27,889 --> 00:16:28,289
Skyler G:
Yeah.
524
00:16:28,129 --> 00:16:30,649
Bill Frosby:
I said if she gets it at the
strong of the start of the game,
525
00:16:30,649 --> 00:16:31,690
Bill Frosby:
she's really strong.
526
00:16:31,690 --> 00:16:32,809
Bill Frosby:
But the fact is, you have to,
527
00:16:32,809 --> 00:16:34,450
Bill Frosby:
like, draw into it to get it
528
00:16:34,450 --> 00:16:35,129
Bill Frosby:
right.
529
00:16:35,129 --> 00:16:38,210
Bill Frosby:
I didn't realize that you could
530
00:16:38,210 --> 00:16:40,370
Bill Frosby:
use your covert ops to go
531
00:16:40,370 --> 00:16:42,690
Bill Frosby:
through her deck and just find
532
00:16:42,690 --> 00:16:44,169
Bill Frosby:
it and place it at the start of
533
00:16:44,169 --> 00:16:44,850
Bill Frosby:
the game.
534
00:16:44,850 --> 00:16:46,049
Bill Frosby:
I didn't realize that.
535
00:16:46,049 --> 00:16:48,049
Bill Frosby:
I thought you just had the luck
through.
536
00:16:47,889 --> 00:16:48,850
Skyler G:
It, right?
537
00:16:48,730 --> 00:16:52,769
Bill Frosby:
Uh, I was playing the character
so wrong, so incorrectly.
538
00:16:52,769 --> 00:16:56,649
Bill Frosby:
And because of that, uh, her
value was a lot lower than I
539
00:16:56,649 --> 00:16:57,850
Bill Frosby:
thought it would be.
540
00:16:57,690 --> 00:16:59,090
Skyler G:
Because of that, you not only
541
00:16:59,090 --> 00:17:00,769
Skyler G:
screwed yourself, but also
542
00:17:00,769 --> 00:17:02,330
Skyler G:
everyone you explain the
543
00:17:02,330 --> 00:17:03,610
Skyler G:
character to.
544
00:17:03,809 --> 00:17:05,170
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, very much so.
545
00:17:05,170 --> 00:17:07,049
Bill Frosby:
So that's why I put her at
eleven because I knew she was
546
00:17:07,049 --> 00:17:09,849
Bill Frosby:
strong, especially at the she
had the potential.
547
00:17:09,849 --> 00:17:15,170
Bill Frosby:
Like I truly believed like that
she was top three if she drew
548
00:17:15,170 --> 00:17:17,609
Bill Frosby:
that card in her opening hand.
549
00:17:17,609 --> 00:17:19,150
Bill Frosby:
But if she didn't have it, her
550
00:17:19,150 --> 00:17:20,869
Bill Frosby:
opening hand, I thought, oh,
551
00:17:20,869 --> 00:17:22,369
Bill Frosby:
well, then the only way you win
552
00:17:22,369 --> 00:17:23,569
Bill Frosby:
the game is if you lock into it,
553
00:17:23,569 --> 00:17:24,089
Bill Frosby:
right?
554
00:17:23,930 --> 00:17:24,410
Skyler G:
Right.
555
00:17:24,250 --> 00:17:25,799
Bill Frosby:
I didn't realize it was a
mechanic.
556
00:17:25,799 --> 00:17:28,559
Bill Frosby:
I really just did not understand
the character.
557
00:17:28,559 --> 00:17:32,640
Bill Frosby:
And that's why she's at eleven,
because I was like, she's really
558
00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,359
Bill Frosby:
good if she gets this one card,
but she can't get that card all
559
00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,960
Bill Frosby:
the time, so she's at eleven.
560
00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,359
Bill Frosby:
Turns out I'm an idiot who just
can't read things correctly.
561
00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:41,880
Skyler G:
Fair enough.
562
00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:42,599
Skyler G:
All right.
563
00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:43,799
Bill Frosby:
Top ten.
564
00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:44,240
Skyler G:
Okay.
565
00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:44,920
Bill Frosby:
Number ten.
566
00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,079
Bill Frosby:
Doctor strange.
567
00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,920
Skyler G:
Interesting. I've been told that
Doctor Strange has the highest
568
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,880
Skyler G:
potential for output damage.
569
00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:56,480
Skyler G:
If you're going based on, you
know, not like Uber lucky rolls.
570
00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:57,359
Skyler G:
Basically, he has.
571
00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,319
Bill Frosby:
The highest combo.
572
00:17:58,279 --> 00:17:58,839
Skyler G:
Right?
573
00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,680
Bill Frosby:
Yeah. Uh, him and Wolverine
have, like, the highest damage
574
00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:03,519
Bill Frosby:
combos in the game.
575
00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:06,119
Bill Frosby:
Uh, yeah, I think Doctor Strange
is just really good.
576
00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,599
Bill Frosby:
I think people who played and
played him well and his spells
577
00:18:08,599 --> 00:18:09,279
Bill Frosby:
were a lot of fun.
578
00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:11,000
Bill Frosby:
I think only myself and one
579
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,000
Bill Frosby:
other player played Doctor
580
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,119
Bill Frosby:
Strange a bunch, and whenever we
581
00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,480
Bill Frosby:
did, we had a ton of success on
582
00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:14,680
Bill Frosby:
him.
583
00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:15,039
Bill Frosby:
Sure.
584
00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:15,359
Bill Frosby:
Fair enough.
585
00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,319
Bill Frosby:
Put him at Decent high, but I
didn't put him that high because
586
00:18:17,319 --> 00:18:18,440
Bill Frosby:
no one else was playing.
587
00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:18,839
Skyler G:
Got it.
588
00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,559
Bill Frosby:
I think a big thing that kind of
skewed this was the things at.
589
00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:23,980
Bill Frosby:
The characters at the top are
590
00:18:23,980 --> 00:18:25,259
Bill Frosby:
characters that I saw a lot of
591
00:18:25,259 --> 00:18:25,940
Bill Frosby:
people playing.
592
00:18:25,940 --> 00:18:28,319
Bill Frosby:
And so in my mind, I was like,
these characters are good
593
00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:30,460
Bill Frosby:
because more people are playing.
594
00:18:30,460 --> 00:18:31,859
Bill Frosby:
That's kind of how I view it.
595
00:18:31,700 --> 00:18:33,180
Skyler G:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes
sense.
596
00:18:33,019 --> 00:18:33,460
Bill Frosby:
Number nine.
597
00:18:33,460 --> 00:18:34,579
Bill Frosby:
Barbarian.
598
00:18:34,380 --> 00:18:36,339
Skyler G:
Okay. Fair enough.
599
00:18:36,339 --> 00:18:38,099
Skyler G:
Um, big damage output.
600
00:18:38,099 --> 00:18:38,660
Skyler G:
Uh.
601
00:18:39,059 --> 00:18:42,259
Bill Frosby:
And he doesn't and the and the
thing is like how you beat
602
00:18:42,259 --> 00:18:44,859
Bill Frosby:
barbarian is you just, you
expose his weaknesses, right?
603
00:18:44,859 --> 00:18:45,099
Bill Frosby:
Right.
604
00:18:45,099 --> 00:18:45,940
Bill Frosby:
You take advantage of them.
605
00:18:45,940 --> 00:18:48,099
Bill Frosby:
But when you're newer to the
game, you don't really.
606
00:18:47,940 --> 00:18:48,900
Skyler G:
You don't know.
607
00:18:48,980 --> 00:18:49,700
Bill Frosby:
How to do that.
608
00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:52,059
Bill Frosby:
So he just kind of runs all over
people.
609
00:18:51,859 --> 00:18:54,220
Skyler G:
I'm honestly a little surprised
that he managed to stay that
610
00:18:54,220 --> 00:18:57,500
Skyler G:
high, just for the fact of how
many group tournaments, because
611
00:18:57,500 --> 00:19:00,819
Skyler G:
he really doesn't like super
succeed in group tournaments.
612
00:19:00,819 --> 00:19:04,660
Skyler G:
I think every single group one
that we did, he was in it.
613
00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:07,539
Skyler G:
Yes, pretty much every single
time somebody picked him.
614
00:19:07,380 --> 00:19:08,259
Bill Frosby:
Every game.
615
00:19:08,099 --> 00:19:10,500
Skyler G:
He did, just for the same reason
as Pyromancer.
616
00:19:10,500 --> 00:19:14,220
Skyler G:
He just doesn't do well against
like a group of people per se.
617
00:19:14,059 --> 00:19:16,740
Bill Frosby:
Yeah. Uh, number eight was
artificer.
618
00:19:16,859 --> 00:19:18,059
Skyler G:
Interesting.
619
00:19:18,059 --> 00:19:20,460
Skyler G:
I'm surprised people played him
enough to put him up there.
620
00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:21,769
Skyler G:
I feel like I rarely.
621
00:19:21,569 --> 00:19:22,170
Bill Frosby:
Remember.
622
00:19:22,210 --> 00:19:23,930
Skyler G:
Me. Oh, well, there you go.
623
00:19:23,769 --> 00:19:24,650
Bill Frosby:
I liked him a lot.
624
00:19:24,650 --> 00:19:25,369
Bill Frosby:
I thought he was.
625
00:19:25,170 --> 00:19:25,569
Skyler G:
Really.
626
00:19:25,369 --> 00:19:25,970
Bill Frosby:
Strong.
627
00:19:25,809 --> 00:19:27,809
Skyler G:
So it was more of a favoritism.
628
00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:30,009
Bill Frosby:
To be fair, this was my my.
629
00:19:29,890 --> 00:19:30,609
Skyler G:
List.
630
00:19:30,450 --> 00:19:31,250
Bill Frosby:
So.
631
00:19:31,329 --> 00:19:32,289
Skyler G:
I can't blame you for that.
632
00:19:32,289 --> 00:19:32,930
Skyler G:
That's fair.
633
00:19:32,769 --> 00:19:34,569
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, I think I just like
playing him.
634
00:19:34,569 --> 00:19:35,369
Bill Frosby:
I thought he was good.
635
00:19:35,170 --> 00:19:37,890
Skyler G:
I thought he is a very, like,
more complex character.
636
00:19:37,890 --> 00:19:40,170
Skyler G:
So I can see why you would
really have gone for him.
637
00:19:40,170 --> 00:19:41,609
Skyler G:
I could see Dave maybe playing
638
00:19:41,609 --> 00:19:42,849
Skyler G:
him a couple of times and liking
639
00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:43,329
Skyler G:
it.
640
00:19:43,130 --> 00:19:45,490
Bill Frosby:
So number seven was tactician.
641
00:19:45,289 --> 00:19:48,410
Skyler G:
I was just gonna say that was
Dave's like bread and butter.
642
00:19:48,250 --> 00:19:49,369
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, that's why he's so hot.
643
00:19:49,369 --> 00:19:50,490
Bill Frosby:
I never touched him.
644
00:19:50,490 --> 00:19:51,569
Bill Frosby:
I know you didn't touch him.
645
00:19:51,569 --> 00:19:52,930
Bill Frosby:
I think only Dave played him.
646
00:19:52,930 --> 00:19:54,690
Bill Frosby:
And Dave would always go to like
647
00:19:54,690 --> 00:19:56,130
Bill Frosby:
he would save this guy's like
648
00:19:56,130 --> 00:19:57,650
Bill Frosby:
his semifinals or championship
649
00:19:57,650 --> 00:19:58,809
Bill Frosby:
guy and basically have a
650
00:19:58,809 --> 00:19:59,650
Bill Frosby:
guaranteed win.
651
00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:02,890
Skyler G:
I'll say what I've said before,
which is the one time I went up
652
00:20:02,890 --> 00:20:06,549
Skyler G:
against Dave when he was playing
tactician, I just remember like,
653
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:11,849
Skyler G:
I do my turn, I hand it over to
him and then I'd watch before,
654
00:20:11,849 --> 00:20:13,569
Skyler G:
during and after.
655
00:20:13,569 --> 00:20:15,569
Skyler G:
He's got his little tactician
656
00:20:15,569 --> 00:20:17,049
Skyler G:
tokens, and they're just moving
657
00:20:17,049 --> 00:20:18,329
Skyler G:
all over the place and things
658
00:20:18,329 --> 00:20:19,210
Skyler G:
are happening.
659
00:20:19,210 --> 00:20:22,029
Skyler G:
And I'm sitting there having no
idea what's going on.
660
00:20:22,029 --> 00:20:23,150
Skyler G:
And now I've played him and I'm
661
00:20:23,150 --> 00:20:24,269
Skyler G:
like, okay, he's actually pretty
662
00:20:24,269 --> 00:20:24,670
Skyler G:
fun.
663
00:20:24,670 --> 00:20:24,910
Skyler G:
Yeah.
664
00:20:24,910 --> 00:20:26,990
Skyler G:
And I can see why those things
were moving the whole time.
665
00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:28,349
Skyler G:
But yeah, it's like he's gaining
him.
666
00:20:28,349 --> 00:20:30,750
Skyler G:
He's spinning him, he's getting
this, he's getting that.
667
00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:31,430
Skyler G:
It's wild.
668
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:34,069
Skyler G:
It was a wild, wild thing to
watch.
669
00:20:33,869 --> 00:20:35,190
Bill Frosby:
It's a fun character.
670
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:37,269
Bill Frosby:
Yeah I think I put him seven
671
00:20:37,269 --> 00:20:38,950
Bill Frosby:
under the next next this next
672
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:39,589
Bill Frosby:
character.
673
00:20:39,589 --> 00:20:40,029
Bill Frosby:
Okay.
674
00:20:40,029 --> 00:20:41,789
Bill Frosby:
Number six was Paladin.
675
00:20:41,789 --> 00:20:44,589
Bill Frosby:
And I guess I just was like,
Paladin's good.
676
00:20:44,589 --> 00:20:46,630
Bill Frosby:
Uh, and tactician is just like
677
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:48,109
Bill Frosby:
an off brand paladin, but he's
678
00:20:48,109 --> 00:20:48,589
Bill Frosby:
also good.
679
00:20:48,589 --> 00:20:50,109
Bill Frosby:
So interesting.
680
00:20:50,109 --> 00:20:53,589
Bill Frosby:
The only thing is, I thought
coming into this thing, not
681
00:20:53,589 --> 00:20:56,109
Bill Frosby:
looking at it beforehand, I
thought Paladin would be in our
682
00:20:56,109 --> 00:20:57,549
Bill Frosby:
top five because.
683
00:20:57,390 --> 00:20:58,390
Skyler G:
Yeah, we.
684
00:20:58,430 --> 00:20:59,150
Bill Frosby:
Banned him.
685
00:20:59,150 --> 00:21:01,890
Bill Frosby:
We would have tournaments where
Bans and Paladin was like the
686
00:21:01,890 --> 00:21:03,390
Bill Frosby:
everyone just banned Paladin.
687
00:21:03,390 --> 00:21:06,829
Bill Frosby:
That was just our, our global
ban that we just all banned.
688
00:21:06,829 --> 00:21:08,910
Bill Frosby:
So I'm surprised he didn't make
top five.
689
00:21:08,750 --> 00:21:11,730
Skyler G:
I'm pretty sure the one friend
tournament that we did, the oh,
690
00:21:11,730 --> 00:21:14,049
Skyler G:
we'll call him the unofficial
tournaments, the unofficial
691
00:21:14,049 --> 00:21:18,019
Skyler G:
tournament that I did that I won
the whole thing was Paladin
692
00:21:18,019 --> 00:21:21,220
Skyler G:
Seraph and somebody else.
693
00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:22,920
Skyler G:
I think it was the it was the
694
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,160
Skyler G:
tournament that we did when I
695
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,220
Skyler G:
officially said, I am never
696
00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:29,099
Skyler G:
playing samurai in one of these
697
00:21:29,099 --> 00:21:30,099
Skyler G:
things again.
698
00:21:30,099 --> 00:21:33,779
Skyler G:
And so I cut samurai and I
swapped it with again Paladin.
699
00:21:33,779 --> 00:21:36,059
Skyler G:
That and I don't remember what
the other pick was, and I won.
700
00:21:36,059 --> 00:21:39,700
Skyler G:
And I said, I feel justified in.
701
00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:40,380
Skyler G:
Removing.
702
00:21:40,180 --> 00:21:41,059
Skyler G:
Samurai.
703
00:21:42,059 --> 00:21:43,299
Bill Frosby:
I think you played Loki.
704
00:21:43,420 --> 00:21:45,299
Skyler G:
Maybe that doesn't feel right,
though.
705
00:21:45,299 --> 00:21:46,299
Skyler G:
I'm very thematic.
706
00:21:46,299 --> 00:21:47,259
Skyler G:
You know me.
707
00:21:47,259 --> 00:21:49,460
Skyler G:
Yeah, that doesn't feel right in
the theme.
708
00:21:49,299 --> 00:21:50,099
Bill Frosby:
All right.
709
00:21:50,099 --> 00:21:52,180
Bill Frosby:
Uh, number number five.
710
00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:52,779
Bill Frosby:
Top five.
711
00:21:52,779 --> 00:21:53,339
Bill Frosby:
Okay.
712
00:21:53,339 --> 00:21:54,019
Bill Frosby:
Five.
713
00:21:54,019 --> 00:21:55,059
Bill Frosby:
Cursed pirate.
714
00:21:55,859 --> 00:21:57,700
Skyler G:
We were pretty, pretty good on
them.
715
00:21:57,700 --> 00:21:58,420
Skyler G:
On the money.
716
00:21:58,380 --> 00:21:59,660
Bill Frosby:
I love playing Cursed pirate.
717
00:21:59,660 --> 00:22:01,420
Bill Frosby:
I knew she had a really great
defense.
718
00:22:01,420 --> 00:22:04,799
Bill Frosby:
And, uh, I think I was the only
one that really played her, uh,
719
00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:07,900
Bill Frosby:
because everyone was too scared
of her flipping mechanic.
720
00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:08,500
Bill Frosby:
Yes.
721
00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:09,940
Bill Frosby:
Uh, because that, that full of
722
00:22:09,940 --> 00:22:11,299
Bill Frosby:
games per turn really scared
723
00:22:11,299 --> 00:22:11,740
Bill Frosby:
people.
724
00:22:11,740 --> 00:22:12,019
Bill Frosby:
Yep.
725
00:22:12,019 --> 00:22:14,539
Bill Frosby:
But it didn't really scare me
because I saw on her board there
726
00:22:14,539 --> 00:22:15,240
Bill Frosby:
was ways to get.
727
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,240
Bill Frosby:
to. Oh, yeah.
728
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,839
Bill Frosby:
Uh, so I didn't really bother
me.
729
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,079
Skyler G:
I think that's kind of where I
fell.
730
00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:23,180
Skyler G:
I loved, I played her once, I
loved it, but I was like, I
731
00:22:23,180 --> 00:22:26,759
Skyler G:
don't know this character well
enough to know how to.
732
00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:28,400
Skyler G:
Yeah, because I, I, I was
nervous.
733
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,519
Skyler G:
I was like, okay, when she flips
734
00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:31,200
Skyler G:
over, you're on a time clock
735
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,039
Skyler G:
ticking timer.
736
00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:32,480
Skyler G:
Yeah.
737
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,759
Skyler G:
And I don't know what to do with
that.
738
00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:35,119
Skyler G:
Yeah.
739
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,880
Skyler G:
And so I was like, yeah, I don't
think I'll play her anymore
740
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,119
Skyler G:
because I'm very competitive.
741
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,279
Skyler G:
I want to win this thing.
742
00:22:39,079 --> 00:22:40,480
Bill Frosby:
So yeah, all I would do is I
743
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,799
Bill Frosby:
think all my tactic was
744
00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:43,720
Bill Frosby:
literally, I would just do
745
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,279
Bill Frosby:
whatever I could to keep, keep
746
00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:47,039
Bill Frosby:
as many coins as on myself as
747
00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:47,799
Bill Frosby:
possible.
748
00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:49,599
Bill Frosby:
The balloons on myself as
possible.
749
00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:51,319
Bill Frosby:
So I would never flip and then
750
00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:52,559
Bill Frosby:
just hope I would win out in the
751
00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:52,880
Bill Frosby:
long game.
752
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,599
Bill Frosby:
I think that was my strategy
with her.
753
00:22:54,599 --> 00:22:55,599
Bill Frosby:
I did decently.
754
00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:58,039
Skyler G:
And it's what one of the two
strategies.
755
00:22:58,039 --> 00:23:01,039
Skyler G:
Yeah, literally one of the two
strategies flip immediately.
756
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:01,720
Skyler G:
Yeah.
757
00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:04,839
Bill Frosby:
Uh, number four, uh, this one
makes sense.
758
00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:06,200
Bill Frosby:
He's here.
759
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,559
Bill Frosby:
If you know the history of our,
our, our unofficial tournaments.
760
00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:11,000
Bill Frosby:
Okay.
761
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,079
Bill Frosby:
Before stream.
762
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,869
Skyler G:
Yep. Okay. I know and you knew
he was coming eventually and you
763
00:23:14,869 --> 00:23:15,710
Skyler G:
knew he'd be at the top.
764
00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:17,150
Skyler G:
I'm surprised he's this high.
765
00:23:16,990 --> 00:23:18,549
Bill Frosby:
Actually I'm not.
766
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:22,710
Bill Frosby:
Because I truly believed back
when you did unofficial, that
767
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:26,769
Bill Frosby:
Trent was the single strongest
defensive character in the game,
768
00:23:26,769 --> 00:23:29,990
Bill Frosby:
besides one other character who
I have right above him.
769
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:31,069
Bill Frosby:
But I thought he was like the
770
00:23:31,069 --> 00:23:33,269
Bill Frosby:
best defensive value in the
771
00:23:33,269 --> 00:23:33,549
Bill Frosby:
game.
772
00:23:33,549 --> 00:23:37,549
Bill Frosby:
Sure, that could just out tank
anyone's damage and just slowly
773
00:23:37,549 --> 00:23:38,710
Bill Frosby:
win every game.
774
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:41,589
Skyler G:
I think it's really important
for our audience to have the
775
00:23:41,589 --> 00:23:45,589
Skyler G:
preface to this, which is we
have one individual in our group
776
00:23:45,589 --> 00:23:49,789
Skyler G:
that played, and religiously, it
was the only character he was
777
00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:50,309
Skyler G:
willing to play.
778
00:23:50,309 --> 00:23:51,569
Skyler G:
Obviously, if we did one where
779
00:23:51,569 --> 00:23:52,630
Skyler G:
like, you only get to play the
780
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:54,029
Skyler G:
character once, it'd be in the
781
00:23:54,029 --> 00:23:54,509
Skyler G:
team.
782
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:55,470
Bill Frosby:
But that's funny.
783
00:23:55,470 --> 00:23:59,670
Bill Frosby:
You add that because, uh, yes,
he would play Trent every time
784
00:23:59,670 --> 00:24:00,950
Bill Frosby:
he would, and he.
785
00:24:00,750 --> 00:24:03,589
Skyler G:
Would lose every time.
786
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:04,710
Bill Frosby:
He never won a game.
787
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:08,730
Bill Frosby:
And I think he he record had
like over twenty games on Trent
788
00:24:08,730 --> 00:24:10,150
Bill Frosby:
never won a game.
789
00:24:10,150 --> 00:24:11,559
Bill Frosby:
But the funny thing was the guy
790
00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:13,130
Bill Frosby:
wasn't even bad at dice because
791
00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:13,890
Bill Frosby:
when he would play the
792
00:24:13,890 --> 00:24:15,210
Bill Frosby:
tournaments and we had the rule
793
00:24:15,210 --> 00:24:15,890
Bill Frosby:
where you go and play a
794
00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:17,329
Bill Frosby:
character once, he would have to
795
00:24:17,329 --> 00:24:19,369
Bill Frosby:
play other characters, but, uh,
796
00:24:19,369 --> 00:24:21,089
Bill Frosby:
and he would save for the
797
00:24:21,089 --> 00:24:23,009
Bill Frosby:
championship and he would end up
798
00:24:23,009 --> 00:24:24,690
Bill Frosby:
winning with a lot of other
799
00:24:24,690 --> 00:24:26,769
Bill Frosby:
characters so he could win his
800
00:24:26,769 --> 00:24:28,369
Bill Frosby:
way up to like the semi-finals
801
00:24:28,369 --> 00:24:29,849
Bill Frosby:
before I think he would bust out
802
00:24:29,849 --> 00:24:31,089
Bill Frosby:
his favorite character, which he
803
00:24:31,089 --> 00:24:32,049
Bill Frosby:
always was.
804
00:24:32,049 --> 00:24:32,410
Bill Frosby:
Right.
805
00:24:32,410 --> 00:24:34,049
Bill Frosby:
So it was so funny.
806
00:24:34,049 --> 00:24:37,130
Bill Frosby:
Uh, it was a running joke, but
he was always like, I'm not
807
00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:38,369
Bill Frosby:
gonna win the championship.
808
00:24:38,369 --> 00:24:41,849
Bill Frosby:
If it isn't with Trent, I'm
going to prove the haters wrong.
809
00:24:41,849 --> 00:24:44,450
Bill Frosby:
So I don't know why I put him so
810
00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:47,049
Bill Frosby:
high, because that guy could
811
00:24:47,049 --> 00:24:47,650
Bill Frosby:
never win.
812
00:24:47,490 --> 00:24:50,329
Skyler G:
That's what it blows my mind is
like from the statistics.
813
00:24:50,329 --> 00:24:52,609
Skyler G:
It makes no sense why he
thought.
814
00:24:52,410 --> 00:24:53,569
Bill Frosby:
He played him bad.
815
00:24:53,569 --> 00:24:56,049
Bill Frosby:
Turns out no, I don't think
chance the best.
816
00:24:56,049 --> 00:24:56,690
Bill Frosby:
He's good.
817
00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:59,369
Bill Frosby:
I think part of it is I think he
played him bad.
818
00:24:59,369 --> 00:25:03,009
Bill Frosby:
But yeah, he's not number four,
that's for sure.
819
00:25:03,009 --> 00:25:04,970
Skyler G:
It's a fascinating hero for
sure.
820
00:25:04,970 --> 00:25:07,730
Bill Frosby:
Uh, number three, I called them
the big three.
821
00:25:07,730 --> 00:25:08,210
Bill Frosby:
Okay.
822
00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:11,549
Bill Frosby:
Number three, uh, was monk okay?
823
00:25:12,190 --> 00:25:13,509
Skyler G:
I could see how we'd get there.
824
00:25:13,349 --> 00:25:14,710
Bill Frosby:
Okay, but here's something very
825
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:16,349
Bill Frosby:
important that I need to add
826
00:25:16,349 --> 00:25:17,109
Bill Frosby:
right now.
827
00:25:17,509 --> 00:25:20,029
Skyler G:
You put in the notes that you
don't like his robe.
828
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:25,630
Bill Frosby:
Monk. Okay. One other character
that is still in this victory.
829
00:25:25,470 --> 00:25:26,109
Skyler G:
Okay.
830
00:25:26,069 --> 00:25:32,430
Bill Frosby:
Um, we played with the original
Locksley six box set.
831
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:33,150
Skyler G:
Okay.
832
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:34,470
Bill Frosby:
All right.
833
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:38,630
Bill Frosby:
This was before they redid the
Rerolled version, right?
834
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:40,109
Bill Frosby:
The Rerolled edition.
835
00:25:40,109 --> 00:25:44,970
Bill Frosby:
Uh, and when they did the
Rerolled edition, they buffed
836
00:25:44,970 --> 00:25:48,349
Bill Frosby:
some characters and nerfed Monk
and Shadow Thief.
837
00:25:48,349 --> 00:25:48,950
Skyler G:
Got it.
838
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:49,509
Bill Frosby:
Right.
839
00:25:49,509 --> 00:25:51,829
Bill Frosby:
Monk was a lot stronger.
840
00:25:51,829 --> 00:25:54,029
Bill Frosby:
Like a lot stronger.
841
00:25:53,869 --> 00:25:54,470
Skyler G:
Okay.
842
00:25:54,309 --> 00:25:57,710
Bill Frosby:
Uh, and, um, because of that, I
843
00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:59,910
Bill Frosby:
have monk number three because
844
00:25:59,910 --> 00:26:01,950
Bill Frosby:
this is his pre rerolled
845
00:26:01,950 --> 00:26:02,549
Bill Frosby:
edition.
846
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:03,950
Bill Frosby:
Got it early.
847
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:05,150
Bill Frosby:
Monk was really strong.
848
00:26:04,990 --> 00:26:06,029
Skyler G:
Okay, that makes sense.
849
00:26:05,869 --> 00:26:07,819
Bill Frosby:
So that's why I have him number
three.
850
00:26:07,819 --> 00:26:10,099
Bill Frosby:
Like, I don't disagree with my
851
00:26:10,099 --> 00:26:11,819
Bill Frosby:
placing for monk here, though I
852
00:26:11,819 --> 00:26:13,339
Bill Frosby:
don't think I would have him at
853
00:26:13,339 --> 00:26:14,619
Bill Frosby:
three, but he'd be in the top
854
00:26:14,619 --> 00:26:18,900
Bill Frosby:
ten because pre, uh, monk was
855
00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:20,019
Bill Frosby:
really strong.
856
00:26:20,019 --> 00:26:27,660
Bill Frosby:
Uh, because what made him really
strong was his mini alts and his
857
00:26:27,660 --> 00:26:32,819
Bill Frosby:
fallback to his mini alts didn't
have the original descriptor.
858
00:26:32,819 --> 00:26:39,099
Bill Frosby:
Um. It said raise your stack
limit.
859
00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:44,420
Bill Frosby:
And then it says now is game
like five or six G, right?
860
00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:45,099
Bill Frosby:
That's what they say.
861
00:26:45,099 --> 00:26:47,160
Bill Frosby:
Now back with the original monk,
862
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,140
Bill Frosby:
it said raise your stack limit
863
00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:50,740
Bill Frosby:
and then gain to your stack
864
00:26:50,740 --> 00:26:51,740
Bill Frosby:
limit.
865
00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:55,140
Bill Frosby:
And then I think the fallback to
mini said the same thing.
866
00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:58,900
Bill Frosby:
It literally was just raise your
stack, limit your stack limit.
867
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:03,339
Bill Frosby:
And so people would play that
card and then just chase sixes
868
00:27:03,339 --> 00:27:04,859
Bill Frosby:
the entire game.
869
00:27:04,859 --> 00:27:07,119
Bill Frosby:
Because if you just continuously
870
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,240
Bill Frosby:
raised your stack limit, your
871
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,160
Bill Frosby:
stack limit would rise up and
872
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,119
Bill Frosby:
people were like, they would
873
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,740
Bill Frosby:
take a bunch of damage early,
874
00:27:15,740 --> 00:27:16,319
Bill Frosby:
right?
875
00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:20,680
Bill Frosby:
They'd get down to like fifteen
health, but by chasing sixes all
876
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,759
Bill Frosby:
game and permanently constantly
increasing their stack limit,
877
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:26,960
Bill Frosby:
they're getting into the late
game with like a stack limit of
878
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,359
Bill Frosby:
eleven G, and they're just
consistently gaining to their
879
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,119
Bill Frosby:
stack limit and going up.
880
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,880
Bill Frosby:
And their health pool kept
stacking upwards and upwards and
881
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,200
Bill Frosby:
they're dealing damage.
882
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,319
Bill Frosby:
And it was like, basically
they're making an impenetrable
883
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:46,359
Bill Frosby:
wall that people weren't even
able to get through the key.
884
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,119
Bill Frosby:
Um, because, because they had
885
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,140
Bill Frosby:
more key than you could
886
00:27:52,140 --> 00:27:54,119
Bill Frosby:
physically do damage on your
887
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:54,720
Bill Frosby:
turn.
888
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,440
Bill Frosby:
And so this monk would just save
up this key.
889
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,680
Bill Frosby:
And if they were like, if they
890
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,480
Bill Frosby:
had spare key left over, they
891
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,079
Bill Frosby:
would throw it at you and then
892
00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:03,910
Bill Frosby:
gain up to their stack limit
893
00:28:03,910 --> 00:28:04,230
Bill Frosby:
again.
894
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:06,869
Bill Frosby:
What it was like a little like
an infinite.
895
00:28:06,869 --> 00:28:10,349
Bill Frosby:
Infinite engine kept building on
it, a key engine.
896
00:28:10,349 --> 00:28:11,829
Bill Frosby:
And then they changed that to.
897
00:28:11,829 --> 00:28:14,029
Bill Frosby:
Where they're like, nope, you
gain a hard.
898
00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:16,869
Bill Frosby:
Like you raise your stack limit,
but you only get up to like five
899
00:28:16,869 --> 00:28:17,589
Bill Frosby:
or six, right?
900
00:28:17,589 --> 00:28:17,829
Bill Frosby:
Right.
901
00:28:17,829 --> 00:28:19,470
Bill Frosby:
And they stop there.
902
00:28:19,470 --> 00:28:23,029
Bill Frosby:
That simple change made this
character drop, right?
903
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:25,630
Bill Frosby:
And then people were like, but
you still have to chase sixes.
904
00:28:25,630 --> 00:28:27,670
Bill Frosby:
And the answer is, yeah, we were
chasing sixes.
905
00:28:27,670 --> 00:28:28,869
Bill Frosby:
But the thing was, if you didn't
906
00:28:28,869 --> 00:28:30,009
Bill Frosby:
get sixes, people would just go
907
00:28:30,009 --> 00:28:30,670
Bill Frosby:
meditate.
908
00:28:30,670 --> 00:28:30,950
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
909
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:32,349
Bill Frosby:
And then wait till the next
turn.
910
00:28:32,349 --> 00:28:34,309
Bill Frosby:
And then if they had a couple
sixes, they would just chase
911
00:28:34,309 --> 00:28:37,549
Bill Frosby:
sixes because the fallback, uh,
did the same thing.
912
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:39,390
Bill Frosby:
You didn't care about the mini.
913
00:28:39,390 --> 00:28:42,109
Bill Frosby:
Like if you hit the fallback, it
raised your stack limit and
914
00:28:42,109 --> 00:28:43,710
Bill Frosby:
you're like, cool, this is sick.
915
00:28:43,710 --> 00:28:44,430
Bill Frosby:
Keep going up.
916
00:28:44,430 --> 00:28:46,549
Bill Frosby:
I'm literally just tanking up
for the next turn where I can
917
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:47,269
Bill Frosby:
chase more sixes.
918
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:47,990
Bill Frosby:
That's all you did.
919
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:50,589
Bill Frosby:
You didn't care if I you didn't
deal damage that turn.
920
00:28:50,589 --> 00:28:53,430
Bill Frosby:
Your whole goal was just to tank
up till you got to the very late
921
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:55,470
Bill Frosby:
game, and then you'd be like,
okay, well, you came and hit
922
00:28:55,470 --> 00:28:57,390
Bill Frosby:
past my key and.
923
00:28:59,269 --> 00:29:00,630
Bill Frosby:
I'll slowly kill you.
924
00:29:00,630 --> 00:29:01,490
Bill Frosby:
Sure.
925
00:29:01,490 --> 00:29:02,369
Bill Frosby:
Interesting.
926
00:29:02,369 --> 00:29:03,130
Bill Frosby:
That was early.
927
00:29:03,130 --> 00:29:03,769
Bill Frosby:
Now, what.
928
00:29:03,569 --> 00:29:06,390
Skyler G:
I find fascinating is the fact
that it still managed to get so
929
00:29:06,390 --> 00:29:09,730
Skyler G:
high up on that list, but nobody
in our group was using that.
930
00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:11,049
Bill Frosby:
I was using you.
931
00:29:11,049 --> 00:29:12,849
Skyler G:
Well, yeah, but that hack.
932
00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:14,930
Bill Frosby:
I think I was the only one that
realized that was a thing.
933
00:29:14,769 --> 00:29:15,490
Skyler G:
Fair enough.
934
00:29:15,329 --> 00:29:18,369
Bill Frosby:
Okay. Yeah. Um, it is funny.
935
00:29:18,369 --> 00:29:19,609
Bill Frosby:
I will say this, uh, the big
936
00:29:19,609 --> 00:29:21,650
Bill Frosby:
three, all three characters that
937
00:29:21,650 --> 00:29:22,569
Bill Frosby:
are the, like, the only
938
00:29:22,569 --> 00:29:24,730
Bill Frosby:
characters in history that have
939
00:29:24,730 --> 00:29:25,730
Bill Frosby:
gotten nerfed.
940
00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:26,450
Skyler G:
Oh.
941
00:29:26,609 --> 00:29:27,970
Bill Frosby:
Uh, so you.
942
00:29:27,769 --> 00:29:28,730
Skyler G:
Were on to something.
943
00:29:28,569 --> 00:29:29,569
Bill Frosby:
I caught on that there are
944
00:29:29,569 --> 00:29:30,490
Bill Frosby:
strong because number two is
945
00:29:30,490 --> 00:29:31,130
Bill Frosby:
Thor.
946
00:29:31,289 --> 00:29:32,089
Skyler G:
Oh, okay.
947
00:29:31,930 --> 00:29:35,029
Bill Frosby:
So Thor is the only official
release because technically Monk
948
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:37,589
Bill Frosby:
and Shadow Thief, they weren't,
they were they weren't like
949
00:29:37,589 --> 00:29:38,809
Bill Frosby:
leaflet changes or something.
950
00:29:38,809 --> 00:29:41,049
Bill Frosby:
They were just like they the
Rerolled edition.
951
00:29:41,049 --> 00:29:42,650
Bill Frosby:
That was the fix, right?
952
00:29:42,650 --> 00:29:44,569
Bill Frosby:
Uh, so Monk and Charles, they've
got nerfed in that.
953
00:29:44,569 --> 00:29:46,650
Bill Frosby:
Well, Thor just got the leaflet
change, right.
954
00:29:46,650 --> 00:29:49,730
Bill Frosby:
But yeah, Thor, we, I saw
immediately how strong that was.
955
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:53,130
Bill Frosby:
I was like this freaking the
three electro that draw a card
956
00:29:53,130 --> 00:29:53,970
Bill Frosby:
with so much value.
957
00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:55,930
Bill Frosby:
I was like, this is insane.
958
00:29:55,930 --> 00:29:57,289
Bill Frosby:
Uh, I didn't realize how strong
959
00:29:57,289 --> 00:29:58,910
Bill Frosby:
guard break was, but like a
960
00:29:58,910 --> 00:30:00,400
Bill Frosby:
fifty percent chance to make all
961
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:00,680
Bill Frosby:
attacks.
962
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,440
Bill Frosby:
Undefendable was wild.
963
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,640
Bill Frosby:
And yeah, um, I think I just
didn't understand the true value
964
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,440
Bill Frosby:
of undefendable like I do now.
965
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,960
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, but I could tell he was
966
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,640
Bill Frosby:
just strong, especially since I
967
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,599
Bill Frosby:
knew like three electro for a
968
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:16,079
Bill Frosby:
card and how easily he can get
969
00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:16,640
Bill Frosby:
electro.
970
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,920
Bill Frosby:
And then those cards can be used
to deal more damage.
971
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,880
Bill Frosby:
Like it just, it felt insane.
972
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,799
Bill Frosby:
So the number two and number one
was shout out to you.
973
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,279
Bill Frosby:
Uh, just because we knew shout
was so strong, we.
974
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,079
Bill Frosby:
So this was also like pre or
shadow thief.
975
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:35,799
Bill Frosby:
Uh, the big difference was card
copia, the, uh, pre nerf, uh,
976
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:39,940
Bill Frosby:
shadow thief before the rerolled
was, uh, so cornucopia, the
977
00:30:39,940 --> 00:30:43,039
Bill Frosby:
upgrade that makes him so strong
where you force your opponent to
978
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:44,000
Bill Frosby:
discard a card.
979
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:44,400
Skyler G:
Oh, yeah.
980
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,680
Bill Frosby:
That was on base board.
981
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:46,359
Skyler G:
Oh.
982
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,319
Bill Frosby:
So you could right from the get
983
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:49,599
Bill Frosby:
go, force your opponent to
984
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:51,640
Bill Frosby:
discard a card randomly while
985
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,599
Bill Frosby:
getting cards from the start of
986
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:54,000
Bill Frosby:
the game.
987
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,680
Bill Frosby:
So you're just, you're.
988
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:58,140
Skyler G:
Full economy and you're
eliminating the.
989
00:30:58,140 --> 00:30:59,779
Skyler G:
Your opponent's economy.
990
00:30:59,619 --> 00:31:02,660
Bill Frosby:
Like that card is regarded as
one of the best cards in dice.
991
00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:02,900
Bill Frosby:
Sure.
992
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:04,740
Bill Frosby:
It's so annoying, so strong.
993
00:31:04,740 --> 00:31:06,299
Bill Frosby:
And he just had that on his
face.
994
00:31:06,299 --> 00:31:06,660
Bill Frosby:
Wow.
995
00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:07,900
Bill Frosby:
Like he was so strong.
996
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:10,819
Bill Frosby:
But then also shadows was really
strong.
997
00:31:10,819 --> 00:31:12,619
Bill Frosby:
His CP game was just so strong.
998
00:31:12,619 --> 00:31:13,700
Bill Frosby:
I called him the king of the
999
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:14,740
Bill Frosby:
late game because that's what he
1000
00:31:14,740 --> 00:31:15,220
Bill Frosby:
was like.
1001
00:31:15,220 --> 00:31:18,220
Bill Frosby:
If you go into late game again,
like your goal against Shadow
1002
00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:19,299
Bill Frosby:
Thief, we knew this.
1003
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:20,900
Skyler G:
Take him out fast, kill him
fast.
1004
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:21,660
Bill Frosby:
We knew that was the only way to
1005
00:31:21,660 --> 00:31:22,640
Bill Frosby:
beat Chelsea, because we knew
1006
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,559
Bill Frosby:
once he got to like fifteen CP
1007
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:25,259
Bill Frosby:
you're screwed.
1008
00:31:25,259 --> 00:31:26,180
Bill Frosby:
Like we all knew that.
1009
00:31:26,180 --> 00:31:29,019
Bill Frosby:
So that's why we knew the way to
beat him.
1010
00:31:29,019 --> 00:31:30,339
Bill Frosby:
It was just could you beat him?
1011
00:31:30,339 --> 00:31:33,299
Bill Frosby:
Because we all were like, we
always only rolled shadow
1012
00:31:33,299 --> 00:31:35,180
Bill Frosby:
defense because why would you
roll anything else?
1013
00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:36,460
Bill Frosby:
Because it would give you
defense.
1014
00:31:36,460 --> 00:31:38,819
Bill Frosby:
And then if you're just a couple
sixes, you're blocking.
1015
00:31:38,819 --> 00:31:39,420
Bill Frosby:
And yeah.
1016
00:31:39,460 --> 00:31:40,299
Skyler G:
This is true.
1017
00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:44,420
Bill Frosby:
So anyways, that was the whole
ramble about my ranking of one
1018
00:31:44,420 --> 00:31:48,220
Bill Frosby:
to twenty four from our, our,
uh, unofficial tournaments.
1019
00:32:09,769 --> 00:32:10,369
Skyler G:
So.
1020
00:32:10,170 --> 00:32:10,769
Bill Frosby:
Skyler.
1021
00:32:10,609 --> 00:32:14,289
Skyler G:
Oh, actually, there is one more
unofficial tournament I would
1022
00:32:14,289 --> 00:32:15,730
Skyler G:
like to talk about.
1023
00:32:15,730 --> 00:32:18,009
Skyler G:
Let me see if I can find it here
real quick.
1024
00:32:18,009 --> 00:32:21,089
Skyler G:
Um, so background for this bill
1025
00:32:21,089 --> 00:32:24,210
Skyler G:
and I decided when the X-Men set
1026
00:32:24,210 --> 00:32:26,849
Skyler G:
came out and, and actually
1027
00:32:26,849 --> 00:32:28,349
Skyler G:
showed up on our doorstep, we
1028
00:32:28,349 --> 00:32:29,890
Skyler G:
finally have to talk about this
1029
00:32:29,890 --> 00:32:30,609
Skyler G:
tournament.
1030
00:32:30,609 --> 00:32:32,890
Skyler G:
Okay, this is tough.
1031
00:32:32,890 --> 00:32:36,690
Skyler G:
Um, I a big reason why it's
1032
00:32:36,690 --> 00:32:38,089
Skyler G:
tough is because I cannot, for
1033
00:32:38,089 --> 00:32:39,849
Skyler G:
the life of me find the actual
1034
00:32:39,849 --> 00:32:41,490
Skyler G:
updated files, which is
1035
00:32:41,490 --> 00:32:42,690
Skyler G:
frustrating.
1036
00:32:42,690 --> 00:32:46,210
Skyler G:
Um, but the other reason why it
was tough was I felt like we put
1037
00:32:46,210 --> 00:32:49,450
Skyler G:
together a really cool
initiative and unfortunately, we
1038
00:32:49,450 --> 00:32:51,809
Skyler G:
just did not get the reception
that we were hoping.
1039
00:32:51,650 --> 00:32:53,990
Bill Frosby:
I bet we would have got a lot
more reception if we put it.
1040
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:55,309
Bill Frosby:
Did you put it on Reddit?
1041
00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:56,109
Skyler G:
Yeah.
1042
00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:58,069
Bill Frosby:
I feel like if we would have
1043
00:32:58,069 --> 00:32:59,369
Bill Frosby:
done it on the discord, we would
1044
00:32:59,369 --> 00:32:59,910
Bill Frosby:
have gone.
1045
00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:00,869
Skyler G:
Yeah. Oh, yeah, one hundred
percent.
1046
00:33:00,869 --> 00:33:01,509
Skyler G:
That's true.
1047
00:33:01,430 --> 00:33:03,910
Bill Frosby:
People like if we did polls or
something on it.
1048
00:33:03,910 --> 00:33:04,789
Bill Frosby:
Right.
1049
00:33:04,589 --> 00:33:08,109
Skyler G:
But with that being said, so I,
I really need to, I, I gotta get
1050
00:33:08,109 --> 00:33:08,829
Skyler G:
you all in on this.
1051
00:33:08,829 --> 00:33:09,109
Skyler G:
Okay.
1052
00:33:09,109 --> 00:33:12,789
Skyler G:
So Bill and I, in our excitement
to do the or to get the X-Men
1053
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:18,849
Skyler G:
set, when we received it, we put
together a Marvel versus X-Men
1054
00:33:18,849 --> 00:33:21,109
Skyler G:
dice thrown bracket.
1055
00:33:20,910 --> 00:33:22,390
Bill Frosby:
Yeah. When X-Men was coming out.
1056
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:22,910
Skyler G:
Yes.
1057
00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:23,630
Bill Frosby:
Just dropping.
1058
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:24,789
Skyler G:
Yes, it was just dropping.
1059
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:27,390
Skyler G:
So it looks a lot like if you
1060
00:33:27,390 --> 00:33:30,609
Skyler G:
play or if you do, if you do
1061
00:33:30,609 --> 00:33:30,910
Skyler G:
the.
1062
00:33:30,910 --> 00:33:32,509
Skyler G:
Was it the basketball thing?
1063
00:33:32,349 --> 00:33:33,470
Bill Frosby:
Yeah. Like a March Madness.
1064
00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:35,670
Skyler G:
Thank you. A March Madness
bracket.
1065
00:33:35,670 --> 00:33:37,670
Skyler G:
That's basically what it would
look like, right?
1066
00:33:37,470 --> 00:33:39,910
Bill Frosby:
You have on one side was Marvel.
1067
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:41,950
Skyler G:
Yep. And then on the other side
was the X-Men.
1068
00:33:41,950 --> 00:33:44,789
Skyler G:
So we would we would play all
the X-Men against each other and
1069
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:46,869
Skyler G:
find out who the top X-Men was.
1070
00:33:46,869 --> 00:33:49,829
Skyler G:
Do the same thing for the Marvel
side, find out who the top, uh,
1071
00:33:49,829 --> 00:33:52,369
Skyler G:
Marvel is, and then we would
battle them out together.
1072
00:33:52,369 --> 00:33:54,849
Skyler G:
Now, to be fair, we never did
finish.
1073
00:33:54,849 --> 00:33:58,650
Skyler G:
No, uh, we made this as a
fillable PDF bracket.
1074
00:33:58,650 --> 00:33:59,990
Skyler G:
We posted it online in a couple
1075
00:33:59,990 --> 00:34:01,410
Skyler G:
of places to try to encourage
1076
00:34:01,410 --> 00:34:02,529
Skyler G:
people to send us their bracket,
1077
00:34:02,529 --> 00:34:03,529
Skyler G:
just like you would for March
1078
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:04,410
Skyler G:
Madness.
1079
00:34:04,410 --> 00:34:07,450
Skyler G:
Uh, I think we received like
four.
1080
00:34:07,450 --> 00:34:10,489
Skyler G:
And I think one was for me and
one was from you.
1081
00:34:10,610 --> 00:34:11,170
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1082
00:34:10,969 --> 00:34:12,650
Skyler G:
So only two from other people.
1083
00:34:12,650 --> 00:34:13,769
Skyler G:
So hey, shout out if you're out
1084
00:34:13,769 --> 00:34:14,909
Skyler G:
there listening to this, shout
1085
00:34:14,909 --> 00:34:16,369
Skyler G:
out to you for, for submitting
1086
00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:16,489
Skyler G:
it.
1087
00:34:16,489 --> 00:34:19,769
Skyler G:
If you, if you were one of them,
sorry that we never finished and
1088
00:34:19,769 --> 00:34:20,969
Skyler G:
released the results.
1089
00:34:20,809 --> 00:34:24,369
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, we got caught up and then
did a bunch of other stuff.
1090
00:34:24,369 --> 00:34:24,849
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1091
00:34:24,849 --> 00:34:26,130
Bill Frosby:
And Skylar had a baby.
1092
00:34:26,130 --> 00:34:26,610
Bill Frosby:
Yep.
1093
00:34:26,610 --> 00:34:27,449
Bill Frosby:
That's true.
1094
00:34:27,449 --> 00:34:28,210
Skyler G:
So a lot, a lot of
1095
00:34:28,210 --> 00:34:29,449
Skyler G:
responsibilities kind of came
1096
00:34:29,449 --> 00:34:29,570
Skyler G:
in.
1097
00:34:29,570 --> 00:34:33,550
Skyler G:
Now, the even sadder thing is
the fact that on my phone here,
1098
00:34:33,550 --> 00:34:36,889
Skyler G:
the file that I have is not the
up to date one.
1099
00:34:36,889 --> 00:34:38,250
Skyler G:
And so I'm actually missing.
1100
00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:39,849
Skyler G:
We were so excited to play
X-Men.
1101
00:34:39,849 --> 00:34:41,530
Skyler G:
We played through quite a bit of
the X-Men.
1102
00:34:41,369 --> 00:34:43,130
Bill Frosby:
I thought we got to the
championship.
1103
00:34:42,929 --> 00:34:44,050
Skyler G:
I think we did, we did.
1104
00:34:44,050 --> 00:34:45,050
Skyler G:
I just don't.
1105
00:34:44,849 --> 00:34:46,530
Bill Frosby:
Have that side of the board.
1106
00:34:46,530 --> 00:34:47,849
Bill Frosby:
I know, I remember who won.
1107
00:34:47,849 --> 00:34:48,530
Bill Frosby:
Oh you remember?
1108
00:34:48,530 --> 00:34:48,769
Bill Frosby:
Okay.
1109
00:34:48,769 --> 00:34:49,170
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1110
00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:51,679
Bill Frosby:
So like looking through this is,
1111
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:52,960
Bill Frosby:
uh, things are quite
1112
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,519
Bill Frosby:
fascinating.
1113
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:56,159
Bill Frosby:
We did, I spent, we randomized
the.
1114
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:56,679
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1115
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:57,079
Bill Frosby:
Seeds.
1116
00:34:57,079 --> 00:34:57,519
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1117
00:34:57,519 --> 00:34:59,760
Bill Frosby:
So we had Iceman versus
Psylocke.
1118
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:00,760
Bill Frosby:
Iceman one.
1119
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,320
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1120
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,599
Bill Frosby:
But then Iceman again, storm
storm one interesting.
1121
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:07,440
Bill Frosby:
At the same time we had like
Cyclops versus Jean grey.
1122
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,119
Bill Frosby:
Jean grey one uh, storm.
1123
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:10,880
Bill Frosby:
Oh, sorry.
1124
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,679
Bill Frosby:
Uh, under that we had rogue
versus gambit.
1125
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:14,440
Bill Frosby:
Gambit one Wolverine versus
Deadpool.
1126
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,079
Bill Frosby:
Wolverine one.
1127
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:16,880
Bill Frosby:
Nothing surprising there.
1128
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,960
Bill Frosby:
Uh, Wolverine versus that was a
fun match.
1129
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:19,280
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1130
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,039
Bill Frosby:
We're both doing impressions the
whole time.
1131
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:21,639
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1132
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:22,880
Bill Frosby:
It was hilarious.
1133
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,840
Bill Frosby:
That's what started the, uh, Ben
folds folds bit.
1134
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:26,159
Bill Frosby:
Yep.
1135
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,320
Bill Frosby:
For those that carried on.
1136
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,280
Bill Frosby:
But here's the funny thing is
that people have heard it.
1137
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,519
Bill Frosby:
I think we've referenced it like
1138
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:32,760
Bill Frosby:
once or twice on the podcast
1139
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,559
Bill Frosby:
already.
1140
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:36,519
Bill Frosby:
Anytime Wolverine gets brought
up, they don't have any context
1141
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:37,360
Bill Frosby:
for it though.
1142
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,300
Bill Frosby:
So the context is Skyler and I,
1143
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:41,820
Bill Frosby:
when we were playing the
1144
00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:44,420
Bill Frosby:
Deadpool versus Wolverine match,
1145
00:35:44,420 --> 00:35:46,519
Bill Frosby:
um, we, while we were doing this
1146
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:48,099
Bill Frosby:
tournament, uh, because Skyler
1147
00:35:48,099 --> 00:35:49,820
Bill Frosby:
and I just like background
1148
00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:50,579
Bill Frosby:
movies.
1149
00:35:50,579 --> 00:35:53,380
Bill Frosby:
We were tossing on classic like
anime movies, whatever.
1150
00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:56,059
Bill Frosby:
We watched, like on that first
day, we watched Flushed Away.
1151
00:35:56,059 --> 00:35:56,860
Bill Frosby:
Yep.
1152
00:35:56,860 --> 00:35:58,900
Bill Frosby:
Which was Bill's first time
seeing Flushed Away.
1153
00:35:58,900 --> 00:35:59,539
Bill Frosby:
It was awesome.
1154
00:35:59,539 --> 00:36:00,059
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1155
00:36:00,059 --> 00:36:01,500
Bill Frosby:
Uh, what else did we watch?
1156
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:02,659
Bill Frosby:
Uh oh, whatever.
1157
00:36:02,659 --> 00:36:05,739
Bill Frosby:
Early two thousand anime movies
you're watching early two
1158
00:36:05,739 --> 00:36:07,699
Bill Frosby:
thousand, early twenty tens.
1159
00:36:07,699 --> 00:36:12,440
Bill Frosby:
Uh, and then we watched Over the
Hedge fantastic movie, which is
1160
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,780
Bill Frosby:
soundtracked by Ben Folds, who
was also coming to town to do a
1161
00:36:16,780 --> 00:36:18,380
Bill Frosby:
live concert in our city.
1162
00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:18,860
Bill Frosby:
Yes.
1163
00:36:18,860 --> 00:36:22,420
Bill Frosby:
And so I started a bit because I
1164
00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:24,340
Bill Frosby:
was playing Wolverine, who's
1165
00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:25,139
Bill Frosby:
Hugh Jackman?
1166
00:36:25,139 --> 00:36:26,579
Bill Frosby:
And we just finished watching a
1167
00:36:26,579 --> 00:36:29,159
Bill Frosby:
movie was flushed away with Hugh
1168
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:30,139
Bill Frosby:
Jackman.
1169
00:36:30,139 --> 00:36:34,420
Bill Frosby:
And so I started doing a Hugh
Jackman bit and this bit like.
1170
00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:37,619
Bill Frosby:
So we were started the game with
Flushed Away.
1171
00:36:37,619 --> 00:36:37,980
Bill Frosby:
Yep.
1172
00:36:37,980 --> 00:36:41,500
Bill Frosby:
And then the movie ended and I
1173
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:42,940
Bill Frosby:
was doing the Hugh Jackman
1174
00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:46,409
Bill Frosby:
voice, and then we started Over
1175
00:36:46,409 --> 00:36:47,809
Bill Frosby:
the hedge, over the hedge, and
1176
00:36:47,809 --> 00:36:49,130
Bill Frosby:
then immediately the Ben Folds
1177
00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:51,030
Bill Frosby:
soundtrack just hit my Hugh
1178
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:52,650
Bill Frosby:
Jackman and like the perfect
1179
00:36:52,650 --> 00:36:54,510
Bill Frosby:
like you like to clarify Hugh
1180
00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:56,070
Bill Frosby:
Jackman, Wolverine, Hugh
1181
00:36:56,070 --> 00:36:57,289
Bill Frosby:
Jackman, Wolverine.
1182
00:36:57,289 --> 00:37:00,849
Bill Frosby:
And it hit like they they
perfectly meshed together to
1183
00:37:00,849 --> 00:37:02,090
Bill Frosby:
where the bit was.
1184
00:37:02,090 --> 00:37:07,349
Bill Frosby:
Wolverine's Hugh Jackman was
best friends with Ben Folds and
1185
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:09,050
Bill Frosby:
that Hugh Jackman.
1186
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:12,010
Bill Frosby:
Wolverine helped co-produce the
1187
00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:14,110
Bill Frosby:
soundtrack of Over the Hedge,
1188
00:37:14,110 --> 00:37:16,530
Bill Frosby:
and he did some of the music
1189
00:37:16,530 --> 00:37:19,210
Bill Frosby:
work for all the songs and has
1190
00:37:19,210 --> 00:37:21,489
Bill Frosby:
multiple guest appearances
1191
00:37:21,489 --> 00:37:24,050
Bill Frosby:
cameos all throughout Over the
1192
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:24,849
Bill Frosby:
Hedge.
1193
00:37:24,849 --> 00:37:29,610
Bill Frosby:
And then that bit continued on
because Wolverine kept winning
1194
00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:30,889
Bill Frosby:
in this tournament.
1195
00:37:30,889 --> 00:37:31,690
Bill Frosby:
And so.
1196
00:37:31,690 --> 00:37:34,130
Bill Frosby:
So every time he came back, I
1197
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:35,650
Bill Frosby:
would play Wolverine, and every
1198
00:37:35,650 --> 00:37:37,250
Bill Frosby:
time he'd be like, oh, let's do
1199
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:37,489
Bill Frosby:
this.
1200
00:37:37,489 --> 00:37:38,650
Bill Frosby:
And then we would.
1201
00:37:38,650 --> 00:37:42,769
Bill Frosby:
Then the bit continued because
we.
1202
00:37:42,769 --> 00:37:43,489
Bill Frosby:
Instead.
1203
00:37:43,489 --> 00:37:46,550
Bill Frosby:
Then we would listen to music
instead of watch a movie,
1204
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:47,429
Bill Frosby:
sometimes in the background.
1205
00:37:47,429 --> 00:37:52,550
Bill Frosby:
So whenever, whenever Wolverine
would come on, we would change
1206
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:57,269
Bill Frosby:
the music to just be Ben Folds
playlist on Spotify.
1207
00:37:58,630 --> 00:38:01,710
Bill Frosby:
And as Wolverine, Hugh Jackman,
1208
00:38:01,710 --> 00:38:05,110
Bill Frosby:
I would just add random tidbits
1209
00:38:05,110 --> 00:38:07,269
Bill Frosby:
of information like fun facts
1210
00:38:07,269 --> 00:38:12,150
Bill Frosby:
about past adventures of him
1211
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:14,349
Bill Frosby:
with Ben Folds doing random
1212
00:38:14,349 --> 00:38:17,230
Bill Frosby:
movies together as like cameo
1213
00:38:17,230 --> 00:38:19,369
Bill Frosby:
appearances in the Tom cruise
1214
00:38:19,369 --> 00:38:19,710
Bill Frosby:
movie.
1215
00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:20,949
Bill Frosby:
I think the best part about this
1216
00:38:20,949 --> 00:38:22,670
Bill Frosby:
whole bit was the voice Skylar
1217
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:23,630
Bill Frosby:
just did.
1218
00:38:23,469 --> 00:38:25,750
Speaker 6:
Like, this was the voice I would
use.
1219
00:38:25,590 --> 00:38:27,750
Bill Frosby:
And it sounded nothing like
yours.
1220
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:30,309
Bill Frosby:
I was just doing Batman's voice
the whole time.
1221
00:38:30,309 --> 00:38:31,949
Bill Frosby:
Like, I love Ben Folds.
1222
00:38:31,949 --> 00:38:34,309
Bill Frosby:
You don't understand how many
times I've been in multiple
1223
00:38:34,309 --> 00:38:36,150
Bill Frosby:
movies with Ben Folds.
1224
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:39,909
Bill Frosby:
Do you know we once performed
live in the French theatre?
1225
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:40,510
Skyler G:
The French theatre?
1226
00:38:40,510 --> 00:38:41,710
Skyler G:
Why were you in the French
theatre?
1227
00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:42,579
Skyler G:
of Wolverine.
1228
00:38:42,619 --> 00:38:44,860
Bill Frosby:
Uh, Phantom of the opera.
1229
00:38:44,699 --> 00:38:46,340
Skyler G:
Ben folds, I understand, but
you.
1230
00:38:46,340 --> 00:38:46,980
Skyler G:
Why were you.
1231
00:38:46,780 --> 00:38:46,940
Bill Frosby:
There?
1232
00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:48,139
Bill Frosby:
I was Claudette.
1233
00:38:48,139 --> 00:38:48,940
Bill Frosby:
He was.
1234
00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:50,260
Bill Frosby:
He was the Phantom.
1235
00:38:50,099 --> 00:38:50,860
Skyler G:
Oh, he was in it.
1236
00:38:50,860 --> 00:38:52,579
Skyler G:
He wasn't just like they.
1237
00:38:52,380 --> 00:38:53,739
Bill Frosby:
Were the two leads.
1238
00:38:53,579 --> 00:38:54,219
Skyler G:
It makes sense.
1239
00:38:54,219 --> 00:38:54,619
Skyler G:
And they.
1240
00:38:54,619 --> 00:38:57,139
Skyler G:
I mean, he actually played piano
for this, I'm guessing, right?
1241
00:38:57,139 --> 00:38:57,619
Skyler G:
Yeah.
1242
00:38:57,619 --> 00:38:57,860
Skyler G:
Wow.
1243
00:38:57,860 --> 00:38:58,619
Skyler G:
That's impressive.
1244
00:38:58,579 --> 00:38:59,500
Bill Frosby:
That's how he got the part.
1245
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:00,500
Bill Frosby:
And that's how I got the.
1246
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:02,019
Bill Frosby:
But you didn't play anything.
1247
00:39:02,019 --> 00:39:03,300
Bill Frosby:
I got the damsel.
1248
00:39:03,139 --> 00:39:03,699
Skyler G:
Oh, okay.
1249
00:39:03,699 --> 00:39:05,179
Skyler G:
That's fair.
1250
00:39:05,179 --> 00:39:06,500
Skyler G:
And so you had to dance.
1251
00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:09,460
Bill Frosby:
I had to wear a wig on top of my
mask.
1252
00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:10,980
Bill Frosby:
Oh, so you wore a wig?
1253
00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:11,699
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1254
00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:13,619
Skyler G:
Oh, and what did they do about
your claws?
1255
00:39:13,619 --> 00:39:14,940
Skyler G:
Was that an issue at all?
1256
00:39:14,780 --> 00:39:16,460
Bill Frosby:
No, I, I can retract them.
1257
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:16,900
Skyler G:
Oh, good.
1258
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:17,380
Skyler G:
Okay.
1259
00:39:17,219 --> 00:39:19,019
Bill Frosby:
The dress was uncomfortable.
1260
00:39:19,019 --> 00:39:19,699
Bill Frosby:
Did you?
1261
00:39:19,699 --> 00:39:20,900
Bill Frosby:
My X-Men suit.
1262
00:39:20,739 --> 00:39:23,659
Skyler G:
Did you do a duet on the piano
with Ben Folds?
1263
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:26,179
Bill Frosby:
It was not the first time I've
done a duet with pimples.
1264
00:39:26,019 --> 00:39:27,659
Skyler G:
When was the last time?
1265
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:31,219
Bill Frosby:
When we did the Horse Over the
Hedge soundtrack together.
1266
00:39:31,059 --> 00:39:33,380
Skyler G:
You've talked about that many
times, Wolverine.
1267
00:39:33,260 --> 00:39:36,159
Bill Frosby:
I know they cut my vocals from
the original because they didn't
1268
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:37,500
Bill Frosby:
know I was thinking about that.
1269
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:39,059
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, but I'm.
1270
00:39:39,380 --> 00:39:40,880
Skyler G:
Rocking the suburbs would have
been.
1271
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,719
Bill Frosby:
Rocking the suburbs was a duet,
1272
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,079
Bill Frosby:
and I had my own verse in it
1273
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:45,920
Bill Frosby:
solo.
1274
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,119
Skyler G:
It was a rap, wasn't it?
1275
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:47,400
Bill Frosby:
They cut it.
1276
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:48,840
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, it was a rap, but they had
1277
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,119
Bill Frosby:
to cut it due to time
1278
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:51,320
Bill Frosby:
constraints.
1279
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:54,239
Skyler G:
You know, this song is doing
1280
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,800
Skyler G:
like a montage scene in the
1281
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,079
Skyler G:
movie.
1282
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:57,059
Skyler G:
So yeah, it would be kind of
1283
00:39:57,059 --> 00:39:58,039
Skyler G:
weird to just, like, keep
1284
00:39:58,039 --> 00:39:58,800
Skyler G:
playing.
1285
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,719
Bill Frosby:
They were going to have they
were going to have.
1286
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:03,159
Skyler G:
I don't think a rap would have
fit with that montage scene.
1287
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,099
Bill Frosby:
Ben Stiller's character hammy,
1288
00:40:05,099 --> 00:40:07,239
Bill Frosby:
pretend to rap my section of
1289
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:07,559
Bill Frosby:
the.
1290
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:09,280
Skyler G:
Wait, that wasn't Ben Stiller?
1291
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,880
Bill Frosby:
I thought Ben Stiller played
hammy.
1292
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,000
Skyler G:
I don't think Ben Stiller is in
that.
1293
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,159
Bill Frosby:
I was in that movie.
1294
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:18,199
Bill Frosby:
Okay, I was I was one of the
characters.
1295
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:20,320
Skyler G:
Which one were you?
1296
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,519
Skyler G:
What, the Karen lady from the
HOA.
1297
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,880
Bill Frosby:
I was the rat.
1298
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,000
Skyler G:
There was a.
1299
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,760
Bill Frosby:
Rat. I don't remember the rat.
1300
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:28,880
Skyler G:
I don't remember a rat in Over
the Hedge.
1301
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,199
Bill Frosby:
It was Melvin.
1302
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,679
Bill Frosby:
No, they had to cut him due to
time constraints as well.
1303
00:40:39,019 --> 00:40:42,780
Skyler G:
You know, if they made a sequel
to Over the Hedge.
1304
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:45,840
Skyler G:
And we all know, you know, for
the most part, sequels tend to
1305
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,260
Skyler G:
really kind of suck.
1306
00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:49,820
Skyler G:
They should absolutely add a rat
named Melvin in there.
1307
00:40:49,820 --> 00:40:50,539
Skyler G:
And you know what?
1308
00:40:50,539 --> 00:40:51,420
Skyler G:
It would suck.
1309
00:40:51,219 --> 00:40:53,500
Bill Frosby:
But they couldn't afford me.
1310
00:40:53,340 --> 00:40:54,260
Skyler G:
Oh. Oh, yeah.
1311
00:40:54,260 --> 00:40:56,860
Skyler G:
Well, what if they just took
what they pre-recorded from the
1312
00:40:56,860 --> 00:40:59,539
Skyler G:
first movie and found a way to
splice it into the clever?
1313
00:40:59,539 --> 00:41:00,260
Skyler G:
Yeah.
1314
00:41:00,099 --> 00:41:03,619
Bill Frosby:
So they brought Ben Folds back
to do the second soundtrack.
1315
00:41:03,539 --> 00:41:04,460
Skyler G:
As they should.
1316
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:05,500
Bill Frosby:
Be back in a heartbeat.
1317
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:05,739
Skyler G:
Oh, okay.
1318
00:41:05,739 --> 00:41:07,739
Skyler G:
So it's just really about having
Ben Folds there.
1319
00:41:07,579 --> 00:41:08,260
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1320
00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:10,219
Skyler G:
So anyway.
1321
00:41:10,619 --> 00:41:12,219
Bill Frosby:
So anyways, uh, Wolverine made
1322
00:41:12,219 --> 00:41:12,980
Bill Frosby:
it all the way to the
1323
00:41:12,980 --> 00:41:14,099
Bill Frosby:
championship.
1324
00:41:14,099 --> 00:41:14,739
Bill Frosby:
Dude.
1325
00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:16,059
Skyler G:
I was gonna say the last one I
1326
00:41:16,059 --> 00:41:17,460
Skyler G:
have on here is storm versus
1327
00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:18,019
Skyler G:
Wolverine.
1328
00:41:18,019 --> 00:41:18,340
Skyler G:
Yeah.
1329
00:41:18,139 --> 00:41:19,780
Bill Frosby:
No, he beat one that I just
remember.
1330
00:41:19,780 --> 00:41:21,820
Bill Frosby:
Wolverine made it to the X-Men
championship.
1331
00:41:21,820 --> 00:41:22,460
Bill Frosby:
Yep.
1332
00:41:22,460 --> 00:41:25,860
Bill Frosby:
Uh, now I don't remember how far
we went on the Marvel side.
1333
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:28,380
Bill Frosby:
I think I remember Doctor
Strange went on a run.
1334
00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:28,980
Bill Frosby:
Yep.
1335
00:41:28,980 --> 00:41:31,639
Bill Frosby:
Um, they made the semi-finals,
1336
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:34,179
Bill Frosby:
but I don't remember who made
1337
00:41:34,179 --> 00:41:34,539
Bill Frosby:
it.
1338
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:36,010
Skyler G:
And I've got nothing.
1339
00:41:36,010 --> 00:41:37,210
Skyler G:
I've got nothing.
1340
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:38,289
Bill Frosby:
So I think it was just Doctor
1341
00:41:38,289 --> 00:41:40,090
Bill Frosby:
Strange made it to the semis and
1342
00:41:40,090 --> 00:41:40,809
Bill Frosby:
that was.
1343
00:41:40,809 --> 00:41:41,210
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1344
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:42,969
Bill Frosby:
So he could say theoretically it
1345
00:41:42,969 --> 00:41:44,409
Bill Frosby:
was going to be Doctor Strange
1346
00:41:44,409 --> 00:41:45,489
Bill Frosby:
versus Wolverine.
1347
00:41:45,329 --> 00:41:46,929
Skyler G:
That'd be a fascinating battle.
1348
00:41:46,929 --> 00:41:47,329
Skyler G:
Yeah.
1349
00:41:47,329 --> 00:41:49,929
Skyler G:
I think if you're a
representative for Marvel that's
1350
00:41:49,929 --> 00:41:51,210
Skyler G:
what I want to see.
1351
00:41:51,210 --> 00:41:53,889
Skyler G:
And doing the soundtrack for it.
1352
00:41:53,889 --> 00:41:55,449
Skyler G:
Ben folds oh, sick.
1353
00:41:55,449 --> 00:41:55,969
Skyler G:
There you go.
1354
00:41:55,969 --> 00:41:56,889
Skyler G:
Full circle.
1355
00:41:56,730 --> 00:41:57,769
Bill Frosby:
That's a great idea.
1356
00:41:57,610 --> 00:41:59,889
Skyler G:
It's gonna be beautiful.
1357
00:41:59,889 --> 00:42:00,610
Skyler G:
Um, okay.
1358
00:42:00,610 --> 00:42:02,849
Skyler G:
So anyway, just something I
really wanted to make sure that
1359
00:42:02,849 --> 00:42:03,489
Skyler G:
we brought up.
1360
00:42:03,489 --> 00:42:05,090
Skyler G:
I think we put a lot of work
into.
1361
00:42:04,889 --> 00:42:06,590
Bill Frosby:
Remember we talked about, uh, we
1362
00:42:06,590 --> 00:42:07,849
Bill Frosby:
were, we had no idea what we
1363
00:42:07,849 --> 00:42:08,769
Bill Frosby:
were going to do with this
1364
00:42:08,769 --> 00:42:09,289
Bill Frosby:
episode.
1365
00:42:09,289 --> 00:42:10,889
Bill Frosby:
And we were just going to riff
the whole time.
1366
00:42:10,889 --> 00:42:15,769
Bill Frosby:
I was not expecting the, uh, the
Hugh Jackman Wolverine Ben Folds
1367
00:42:15,769 --> 00:42:16,690
Bill Frosby:
bit to show up.
1368
00:42:16,530 --> 00:42:16,929
Skyler G:
I know.
1369
00:42:16,929 --> 00:42:18,489
Skyler G:
Well, hey, we reference.
1370
00:42:18,289 --> 00:42:18,610
Bill Frosby:
It.
1371
00:42:18,409 --> 00:42:18,809
Skyler G:
A lot.
1372
00:42:18,809 --> 00:42:23,329
Skyler G:
I was gonna say people had to
hear because it out of context
1373
00:42:23,329 --> 00:42:24,409
Skyler G:
makes no sense.
1374
00:42:24,409 --> 00:42:26,050
Skyler G:
What in the world does Wolverine
1375
00:42:26,050 --> 00:42:27,170
Skyler G:
and Ben Folds have to do with
1376
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:27,570
Skyler G:
each other?
1377
00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:28,449
Skyler G:
Context.
1378
00:42:28,289 --> 00:42:29,289
Bill Frosby:
It's such a.
1379
00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:30,409
Skyler G:
It is very random.
1380
00:42:30,409 --> 00:42:33,980
Skyler G:
It's one of those things that,
like very carefully worked its
1381
00:42:33,980 --> 00:42:35,429
Skyler G:
way into a.
1382
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:36,809
Bill Frosby:
Classic inside joke that just
1383
00:42:36,809 --> 00:42:38,230
Bill Frosby:
like it had a moment that
1384
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:39,269
Bill Frosby:
started it and it just kept
1385
00:42:39,269 --> 00:42:40,030
Bill Frosby:
building on.
1386
00:42:39,869 --> 00:42:41,230
Skyler G:
And I'm so glad that you guys
1387
00:42:41,230 --> 00:42:42,309
Skyler G:
are all now a part of it,
1388
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:43,630
Skyler G:
because it.
1389
00:42:43,630 --> 00:42:47,329
Skyler G:
It will probably be referenced
every time the, the deep dive
1390
00:42:47,329 --> 00:42:49,630
Skyler G:
episode, when we inevitably get
to that, we're.
1391
00:42:49,789 --> 00:42:51,989
Bill Frosby:
Gonna do that Wolverine voice
the.
1392
00:42:51,789 --> 00:42:54,190
Skyler G:
Whole time. And I'm, I would be
Ben Folds.
1393
00:42:54,190 --> 00:42:56,630
Skyler G:
I was gonna say, should I try to
I don't even know what a Ben
1394
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:57,630
Skyler G:
Folds would sound.
1395
00:42:57,630 --> 00:42:59,110
Skyler G:
I'm gonna get all the lyrics
1396
00:42:59,110 --> 00:43:00,590
Skyler G:
from Ben Folds songs, and I'm
1397
00:43:00,590 --> 00:43:02,110
Skyler G:
gonna just constantly sneak them
1398
00:43:02,110 --> 00:43:03,030
Skyler G:
in underneath.
1399
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:04,630
Skyler G:
That's gonna be hilarious.
1400
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:07,070
Skyler G:
We're putting a lot of
expectations on ourselves.
1401
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:07,909
Bill Frosby:
It's just.
1402
00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:08,829
Skyler G:
It's gonna be fun.
1403
00:43:08,829 --> 00:43:09,909
Skyler G:
Yeah, it'll be hilarious.
1404
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:11,590
Bill Frosby:
It'll be our special one
hundredth episode.
1405
00:43:11,429 --> 00:43:13,349
Skyler G:
Oh, nice, I like that.
1406
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:14,230
Skyler G:
Um, awesome.
1407
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:16,309
Skyler G:
Okay, so we've done all our
unofficial stuff.
1408
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:19,670
Skyler G:
We did our pseudo official
Marvel X-Men thing.
1409
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:21,349
Skyler G:
Um, let's go into official.
1410
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:24,789
Skyler G:
So our local game store
tournament, uh, we love it.
1411
00:43:24,789 --> 00:43:25,590
Skyler G:
It's a lot of fun.
1412
00:43:25,590 --> 00:43:25,829
Skyler G:
Yeah.
1413
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:28,869
Skyler G:
It's really cool to get to sit
down with people in person and
1414
00:43:28,869 --> 00:43:30,269
Skyler G:
be able to game with them.
1415
00:43:30,269 --> 00:43:31,309
Skyler G:
Uh, we've got some pretty cool
1416
00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:32,539
Skyler G:
people in our community for
1417
00:43:32,539 --> 00:43:33,340
Skyler G:
sure.
1418
00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:37,059
Skyler G:
Made some friends, brought some
friends and some friends we have
1419
00:43:37,059 --> 00:43:37,900
Skyler G:
yet to see there.
1420
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:42,659
Skyler G:
So, you know, if you're out
there and you're listening, this
1421
00:43:42,659 --> 00:43:47,099
Skyler G:
goes out to you who are supposed
to be there, for goodness sakes.
1422
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:48,659
Bill Frosby:
Is it working at Jimmy John's?
1423
00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:51,179
Skyler G:
Dang straight up call out right
there.
1424
00:43:51,179 --> 00:43:54,940
Skyler G:
Um, with that being said, uh, it
is a lot of fun.
1425
00:43:54,940 --> 00:43:58,940
Skyler G:
And, and, and yes, I have not
gone further than actually, I
1426
00:43:58,940 --> 00:44:01,019
Skyler G:
think this last one that we did
might have been the best that
1427
00:44:01,019 --> 00:44:03,340
Skyler G:
I've ever performed because I
think I got fourth.
1428
00:44:03,739 --> 00:44:05,780
Bill Frosby:
Yeah. And you started off with
two losses.
1429
00:44:05,780 --> 00:44:07,619
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, I did the fact you ended
with four.
1430
00:44:07,619 --> 00:44:08,380
Bill Frosby:
Dude, I, I.
1431
00:44:08,219 --> 00:44:11,460
Skyler G:
Was like one to three health
points on both of those losses.
1432
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:11,380
Bill Frosby:
Though.
1433
00:44:11,380 --> 00:44:12,619
Bill Frosby:
That's probably why, you know.
1434
00:44:12,619 --> 00:44:13,179
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1435
00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:14,820
Skyler G:
So it's it's good stuff.
1436
00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:17,780
Skyler G:
A lot of, again, a lot of fun, a
lot of cool people, really great
1437
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:18,739
Skyler G:
community that we.
1438
00:44:18,539 --> 00:44:19,380
Bill Frosby:
Got our last one.
1439
00:44:19,380 --> 00:44:22,519
Bill Frosby:
As of when we recorded this, we
typically had around six to
1440
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:23,780
Bill Frosby:
seven people that show up.
1441
00:44:23,780 --> 00:44:26,300
Bill Frosby:
This last one, we had ten, ten.
1442
00:44:26,139 --> 00:44:27,219
Skyler G:
It was really cool.
1443
00:44:27,219 --> 00:44:29,059
Skyler G:
I really like having that many
people.
1444
00:44:28,860 --> 00:44:29,699
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, that was great.
1445
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:29,960
Skyler G:
I love it.
1446
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,440
Skyler G:
Maybe that sounds dumb, I don't
know.
1447
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,400
Skyler G:
Some people might look at it and
be like, oh man.
1448
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,079
Skyler G:
Fewer people means fewer
competitors.
1449
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:36,719
Skyler G:
I might have a higher chance of
winning.
1450
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:37,719
Skyler G:
No. Screw that.
1451
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:38,079
Bill Frosby:
You're right.
1452
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,480
Bill Frosby:
But that's also less good
competition.
1453
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,679
Skyler G:
Yeah, it's less good
competition.
1454
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:44,519
Skyler G:
It was really cool having that
many people there had some new
1455
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:45,639
Skyler G:
people that were really funny.
1456
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:49,719
Skyler G:
I had one guy that was, uh, very
adamant about chasing sixes.
1457
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,000
Bill Frosby:
You see that single.
1458
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:51,920
Skyler G:
Fascinating.
1459
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,960
Bill Frosby:
Single six and just go six, six,
six six six six six.
1460
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,320
Skyler G:
First of all, love the guy.
1461
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,800
Skyler G:
Yeah, he was fantastic.
1462
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:58,840
Skyler G:
I hope I play him again.
1463
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,079
Skyler G:
Second of all, the first round
when he did that I immediately
1464
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:04,239
Skyler G:
this is gonna sound terrible.
1465
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,360
Skyler G:
Immediately knew I was gonna win
that round.
1466
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,320
Skyler G:
I was like, all right, he's a
six chaser.
1467
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:08,960
Skyler G:
All right.
1468
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,440
Skyler G:
That's great for me.
1469
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,900
Skyler G:
And then I think he proceeded to
1470
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:14,239
Skyler G:
whiff at least one round, maybe
1471
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:14,960
Skyler G:
two.
1472
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,079
Bill Frosby:
It was funny.
1473
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:18,519
Bill Frosby:
Uh, I played against him in the
very first round, and I was
1474
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:21,840
Bill Frosby:
playing Shadow Thief, and this
was the first time I ever
1475
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,480
Bill Frosby:
brought Shadow Thief to this.
1476
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,840
Bill Frosby:
And I don't like bringing them
because I'm not as comfortable
1477
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,030
Bill Frosby:
on Shadow Thief, and I know that
Charlie wants to go late game.
1478
00:45:30,030 --> 00:45:31,190
Bill Frosby:
And so I kind of was.
1479
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:32,309
Skyler G:
That's not really your play
style.
1480
00:45:32,110 --> 00:45:33,429
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, I knew I wanted to play.
1481
00:45:33,429 --> 00:45:36,469
Bill Frosby:
I had to play faster because I
didn't want to go to time.
1482
00:45:36,469 --> 00:45:36,909
Bill Frosby:
Right.
1483
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:37,309
Skyler G:
Oh, true.
1484
00:45:37,309 --> 00:45:37,789
Skyler G:
Yeah.
1485
00:45:37,630 --> 00:45:38,829
Bill Frosby:
So I.
1486
00:45:38,909 --> 00:45:40,150
Skyler G:
Go to my first.
1487
00:45:39,949 --> 00:45:44,190
Bill Frosby:
Turn and I think I did my first
turn in fifteen seconds and I
1488
00:45:44,190 --> 00:45:45,269
Bill Frosby:
just go roll, roll.
1489
00:45:45,269 --> 00:45:48,309
Bill Frosby:
I lock this in and the guy goes,
what?
1490
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:49,750
Bill Frosby:
I lock this in.
1491
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:51,590
Bill Frosby:
He goes, did you already roll?
1492
00:45:51,590 --> 00:45:52,550
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, twice.
1493
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:54,230
Bill Frosby:
I lock the second roll.
1494
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:55,230
Bill Frosby:
Oh yeah.
1495
00:45:55,230 --> 00:45:55,429
Bill Frosby:
Sure.
1496
00:45:55,429 --> 00:45:56,429
Bill Frosby:
That goes through.
1497
00:45:56,429 --> 00:45:57,710
Bill Frosby:
And I went, all right, I'll draw
1498
00:45:57,710 --> 00:46:00,070
Bill Frosby:
two cards from Carter to pass to
1499
00:46:00,070 --> 00:46:01,349
Bill Frosby:
you.
1500
00:46:01,349 --> 00:46:02,590
Bill Frosby:
And he goes, you're done
already.
1501
00:46:02,590 --> 00:46:04,230
Bill Frosby:
And I'm like, yeah.
1502
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:05,389
Bill Frosby:
Oh. So I'm just gonna warn you,
1503
00:46:05,389 --> 00:46:06,429
Bill Frosby:
I'm gonna play fast this whole
1504
00:46:06,429 --> 00:46:07,030
Bill Frosby:
time.
1505
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:09,349
Bill Frosby:
And you went, oh, okay.
1506
00:46:11,989 --> 00:46:14,949
Skyler G:
That's a scary moment when you
realize, I think.
1507
00:46:14,949 --> 00:46:18,349
Bill Frosby:
And then after that game, he
even said to me, he's like,
1508
00:46:18,349 --> 00:46:21,510
Bill Frosby:
because after that first start,
I think I even said, like, I'm
1509
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:23,349
Bill Frosby:
going to play fast, but you
don't have to.
1510
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:23,710
Skyler G:
Yeah, yeah.
1511
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:25,449
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, because I, I, I could tell
1512
00:46:25,449 --> 00:46:26,650
Bill Frosby:
he was newer I was like, I'm
1513
00:46:26,650 --> 00:46:28,849
Bill Frosby:
just gonna play fast because I
1514
00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:30,369
Bill Frosby:
know I need my time for my
1515
00:46:30,369 --> 00:46:31,769
Bill Frosby:
character to play out the whole
1516
00:46:31,769 --> 00:46:32,090
Bill Frosby:
game.
1517
00:46:32,090 --> 00:46:34,530
Bill Frosby:
But you take your time on your
turn, right?
1518
00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:35,929
Bill Frosby:
I'll just play fast on my turn.
1519
00:46:35,929 --> 00:46:36,849
Bill Frosby:
And he's like, oh, okay.
1520
00:46:36,849 --> 00:46:39,210
Bill Frosby:
And at the end of the game, he
even said like, he was talking
1521
00:46:39,210 --> 00:46:42,449
Bill Frosby:
to me and his buddy, he's like,
yeah, he even said I could play
1522
00:46:42,449 --> 00:46:45,489
Bill Frosby:
slower, but I felt like I had to
play faster because he was
1523
00:46:45,489 --> 00:46:46,409
Bill Frosby:
playing so fast.
1524
00:46:46,409 --> 00:46:47,869
Bill Frosby:
And so like, I psychologically
1525
00:46:47,869 --> 00:46:49,570
Bill Frosby:
kind of just got him to play at
1526
00:46:49,570 --> 00:46:50,489
Bill Frosby:
an uncomfortable.
1527
00:46:50,489 --> 00:46:51,449
Skyler G:
Oh, no.
1528
00:46:51,289 --> 00:46:52,369
Bill Frosby:
Which was not my goal.
1529
00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:52,929
Skyler G:
Not your fault.
1530
00:46:52,929 --> 00:46:54,250
Skyler G:
Yeah. I was gonna say, but it's.
1531
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:55,170
Bill Frosby:
Also not my fault.
1532
00:46:55,170 --> 00:46:57,769
Bill Frosby:
And that's actually a tactic
some people will use.
1533
00:46:57,769 --> 00:47:01,329
Bill Frosby:
Interesting, both online and in
competitive I've heard is like
1534
00:47:01,329 --> 00:47:04,550
Bill Frosby:
they'll play fast because when
they're playing newer,
1535
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:08,250
Bill Frosby:
inexperienced players, they will
feel that pressure to speed it
1536
00:47:08,250 --> 00:47:10,809
Bill Frosby:
up gameplay, and it'll cause
them to feel like they have to
1537
00:47:10,809 --> 00:47:12,610
Bill Frosby:
play like it's a psychological.
1538
00:47:12,449 --> 00:47:13,130
Skyler G:
Yeah, that makes.
1539
00:47:12,929 --> 00:47:14,929
Bill Frosby:
Me feel like you have to play
just as fast as them.
1540
00:47:14,929 --> 00:47:15,369
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1541
00:47:15,369 --> 00:47:19,730
Bill Frosby:
Uh, because you're making them
way into their playstyle season
1542
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:20,530
Bill Frosby:
patient in a sense.
1543
00:47:20,530 --> 00:47:21,369
Bill Frosby:
Right?
1544
00:47:21,369 --> 00:47:25,760
Bill Frosby:
I remember when I first started
playing Online competitively.
1545
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,519
Bill Frosby:
Some people would play really
fast and I remember when I was
1546
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:32,679
Bill Frosby:
brand new, I felt extremely
pressured playing against them.
1547
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:35,599
Bill Frosby:
I felt uncomfortable, not
uncomfortable, like I didn't
1548
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:36,159
Bill Frosby:
want to be there.
1549
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:39,280
Bill Frosby:
I felt uncomfortable as in like
I needed to play faster.
1550
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,079
Bill Frosby:
I was playing too slow, stuff
like that.
1551
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:42,599
Bill Frosby:
It was like it made me and it
1552
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:43,800
Bill Frosby:
caused me to make mistakes and
1553
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,599
Bill Frosby:
stuff.
1554
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:49,039
Bill Frosby:
Um, and that wasn't the tactic I
was intending.
1555
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:53,280
Bill Frosby:
I was only playing fast because
I knew I needed to go fast.
1556
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:54,119
Skyler G:
For sure.
1557
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:56,000
Bill Frosby:
I was playing like Paladin or
something.
1558
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,480
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, I know, I need to play.
1559
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,079
Bill Frosby:
The game's going to go late, so
I need to play faster.
1560
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:00,920
Bill Frosby:
To make up for that.
1561
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,239
Skyler G:
I need to be able to eat as many
1562
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:03,920
Skyler G:
rounds basically to cycle
1563
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:04,440
Skyler G:
through.
1564
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,440
Bill Frosby:
On the.
1565
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:07,960
Skyler G:
Unexpected side effect.
1566
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:12,039
Bill Frosby:
Side effect of making my
opponent feel like they have to
1567
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:13,079
Bill Frosby:
play faster as well.
1568
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:13,559
Skyler G:
Interesting.
1569
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:15,000
Skyler G:
Yeah, no, that's fair, that's
fair.
1570
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,239
Bill Frosby:
I was one too.
1571
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:17,599
Skyler G:
Yeah, yeah, he played.
1572
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,599
Bill Frosby:
Twice and.
1573
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,920
Skyler G:
Wow. Yeah. He chased those
sixes.
1574
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,579
Skyler G:
Yeah that's awesome.
1575
00:48:22,579 --> 00:48:23,699
Skyler G:
So worked for him.
1576
00:48:23,699 --> 00:48:26,099
Skyler G:
That must have been why he was
going for it so hard afterwards.
1577
00:48:26,099 --> 00:48:28,019
Skyler G:
He's like, yeah, I did it before
he was playing.
1578
00:48:27,820 --> 00:48:30,699
Bill Frosby:
Moon and moon does have a six
staircase.
1579
00:48:30,699 --> 00:48:31,139
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1580
00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:31,739
Skyler G:
So yep.
1581
00:48:31,739 --> 00:48:32,659
Skyler G:
This is true.
1582
00:48:32,659 --> 00:48:36,699
Skyler G:
Yep. Um, I'm really fascinated
by the guy that you went up
1583
00:48:36,699 --> 00:48:40,699
Skyler G:
against at the finale and the
situation surrounding that.
1584
00:48:40,699 --> 00:48:41,380
Skyler G:
Yeah.
1585
00:48:41,219 --> 00:48:44,260
Bill Frosby:
So that's a, as of recording.
1586
00:48:44,059 --> 00:48:44,820
Skyler G:
Yes.
1587
00:48:44,659 --> 00:48:48,099
Bill Frosby:
We, uh, I made it to the
championship.
1588
00:48:48,099 --> 00:48:49,579
Bill Frosby:
Uh, we played four rounds, so I
1589
00:48:49,579 --> 00:48:50,860
Bill Frosby:
was three and oh, going to the
1590
00:48:50,860 --> 00:48:51,260
Bill Frosby:
last one.
1591
00:48:51,260 --> 00:48:53,639
Bill Frosby:
And there was only one other
dude who was also three zero
1592
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:54,980
Bill Frosby:
going to the last one.
1593
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:58,420
Bill Frosby:
And, uh, we had a different
setup that one.
1594
00:48:58,420 --> 00:48:59,679
Bill Frosby:
And so normally we had two
1595
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:01,480
Bill Frosby:
tables side to side with like
1596
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,440
Bill Frosby:
four chairs at each one
1597
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,659
Bill Frosby:
horizontally aligned.
1598
00:49:04,019 --> 00:49:06,260
Skyler G:
So like one big line, one big
line.
1599
00:49:06,179 --> 00:49:08,619
Bill Frosby:
Uh, but then we got more people
to tend.
1600
00:49:08,619 --> 00:49:10,219
Bill Frosby:
So we had to bring a third
table.
1601
00:49:10,219 --> 00:49:12,619
Bill Frosby:
And so we turned them all
vertically.
1602
00:49:12,619 --> 00:49:15,460
Bill Frosby:
And then we had the eight seats
still at them.
1603
00:49:15,460 --> 00:49:17,980
Bill Frosby:
But then at the, the third
table, we just had two chairs.
1604
00:49:17,980 --> 00:49:21,000
Bill Frosby:
And so we jokingly called that
the championship table were like
1605
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:21,960
Bill Frosby:
the top players.
1606
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,239
Bill Frosby:
So anyways, the championship
match was on the table for me
1607
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,519
Bill Frosby:
was this other guy, and I knew
he had only been playing Paladin
1608
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:29,880
Bill Frosby:
that whole time.
1609
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,360
Bill Frosby:
Uh, and so I felt pretty
comfortable because I had a
1610
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,599
Bill Frosby:
decent Paladin team because I
had Black Panther who does
1611
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:37,920
Bill Frosby:
really well in the Paladin.
1612
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,920
Bill Frosby:
And I had Shadow Thief who does
really well in the Paladin.
1613
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,239
Bill Frosby:
And so I was like, I'm fine with
this.
1614
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:42,679
Bill Frosby:
I'm just.
1615
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:46,639
Bill Frosby:
And he had Pyromancer and I knew
he wasn't going to play Trent
1616
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:48,320
Bill Frosby:
because he'd been playing
Paladin all day.
1617
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,639
Bill Frosby:
And so I'm just like, I'm just
gonna bring Pyromancer and just
1618
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:51,519
Bill Frosby:
go into a paladin.
1619
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:52,559
Bill Frosby:
And so I did.
1620
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:56,099
Bill Frosby:
And then when the match was
starting, um, little context for
1621
00:49:56,099 --> 00:49:56,719
Bill Frosby:
who this guy is.
1622
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,280
Bill Frosby:
He's friends with the sixties
statistics guy.
1623
00:49:59,119 --> 00:49:59,719
Skyler G:
Yep.
1624
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:00,440
Bill Frosby:
Um, and he's friends with
1625
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,500
Bill Frosby:
another guy, but then there's
1626
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:03,000
Bill Frosby:
this other player named Colby,
1627
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,900
Bill Frosby:
uh, who had been coming
1628
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:06,239
Bill Frosby:
regularly to all of our
1629
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,119
Bill Frosby:
tournaments.
1630
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,599
Bill Frosby:
And these were all his buddies
he played dice Stones with, but
1631
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:11,800
Bill Frosby:
they all were busy on Thursdays
when we play.
1632
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,320
Bill Frosby:
So they never had been able to
come.
1633
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,639
Bill Frosby:
But their thing they were
1634
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:16,280
Bill Frosby:
typically busy with was not that
1635
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,000
Bill Frosby:
happening tonight.
1636
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,750
Bill Frosby:
So all of them came to play with
us, right?
1637
00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:22,269
Bill Frosby:
So that's why we had this big
uptick in players.
1638
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:24,250
Skyler G:
Yes. Uh, which kind of sucks to
1639
00:50:24,250 --> 00:50:25,429
Skyler G:
think about because it's like, I
1640
00:50:25,429 --> 00:50:26,230
Skyler G:
don't know if we'll get them
1641
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:26,630
Skyler G:
again.
1642
00:50:26,469 --> 00:50:27,789
Bill Frosby:
I really hope we could see them
back.
1643
00:50:27,789 --> 00:50:30,150
Bill Frosby:
Maybe they can make an
exception.
1644
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:34,630
Bill Frosby:
Anyways, I was playing against
one of these guys who was one of
1645
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:36,909
Bill Frosby:
Colby's friends, who's brand new
to the competitive scene.
1646
00:50:36,909 --> 00:50:39,230
Bill Frosby:
So this was the first time ever
playing competitive dice.
1647
00:50:39,110 --> 00:50:39,710
Skyler G:
Yeah.
1648
00:50:39,869 --> 00:50:42,309
Bill Frosby:
Uh, and he made it to the
championship going three and.
1649
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:44,630
Bill Frosby:
Oh, uh, and I'm going into my
1650
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:46,750
Bill Frosby:
match to play him, and he's
1651
00:50:46,750 --> 00:50:47,550
Bill Frosby:
shaking.
1652
00:50:47,389 --> 00:50:49,750
Skyler G:
I felt so bad, so bad.
1653
00:50:49,550 --> 00:50:50,469
Bill Frosby:
Like his hand.
1654
00:50:50,469 --> 00:50:55,110
Bill Frosby:
He was shuffling his starting
deck and he was shaking and
1655
00:50:55,110 --> 00:50:56,750
Bill Frosby:
couldn't shuffle the cards.
1656
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:58,230
Bill Frosby:
He was shaking so bad.
1657
00:50:58,230 --> 00:51:00,590
Bill Frosby:
And I'm just sitting there like,
oh geez.
1658
00:51:00,429 --> 00:51:02,309
Skyler G:
It's like, it's okay, dude, it's
okay.
1659
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:03,110
Skyler G:
It's okay.
1660
00:51:03,110 --> 00:51:05,829
Skyler G:
This is a very casual we all
have fun here.
1661
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:07,389
Skyler G:
I, it's not I mean, you're just
1662
00:51:07,389 --> 00:51:09,449
Skyler G:
playing for a card that's fancy
1663
00:51:09,449 --> 00:51:10,030
Skyler G:
looking.
1664
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:14,429
Bill Frosby:
I tried to like, make it seem
very casual and just fun, but he
1665
00:51:14,429 --> 00:51:17,489
Bill Frosby:
did make a lot of mistakes that
I could tell he was making
1666
00:51:17,489 --> 00:51:21,570
Bill Frosby:
because he felt pressured due to
the weight of the situation,
1667
00:51:21,570 --> 00:51:22,409
Bill Frosby:
which is fine.
1668
00:51:22,409 --> 00:51:25,690
Bill Frosby:
I remember when I first played
like online, those big
1669
00:51:25,690 --> 00:51:27,170
Bill Frosby:
competitive tournament moments.
1670
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:30,929
Bill Frosby:
And I remember in those big
moments, I remember I won an
1671
00:51:30,929 --> 00:51:33,769
Bill Frosby:
online single day tournament
with like sixteen people
1672
00:51:33,769 --> 00:51:36,210
Bill Frosby:
playing, and he was like one of
my first big online tournaments.
1673
00:51:36,210 --> 00:51:38,650
Bill Frosby:
And I ended up making it to the
championship and winning.
1674
00:51:38,650 --> 00:51:39,849
Bill Frosby:
But I remember how freaking
1675
00:51:39,849 --> 00:51:41,250
Bill Frosby:
nervous I was when I was playing
1676
00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:43,329
Bill Frosby:
that I was shaking and like, I
1677
00:51:43,329 --> 00:51:44,530
Bill Frosby:
was like, having to like, take a
1678
00:51:44,530 --> 00:51:45,730
Bill Frosby:
moment to like, think through
1679
00:51:45,730 --> 00:51:46,730
Bill Frosby:
everything I was doing and
1680
00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:47,369
Bill Frosby:
stuff.
1681
00:51:47,369 --> 00:51:49,610
Bill Frosby:
Um, and so I could only imagine
what he was thinking.
1682
00:51:49,610 --> 00:51:50,010
Bill Frosby:
Right.
1683
00:51:50,010 --> 00:51:52,949
Bill Frosby:
But then on the other flip, I, I
side, I'm just sitting there
1684
00:51:52,949 --> 00:51:55,369
Bill Frosby:
like totally cool, calm and
collected because I've been in
1685
00:51:55,369 --> 00:51:59,610
Bill Frosby:
these moments, I've been in his
shoes and like, I've learned to
1686
00:51:59,610 --> 00:52:03,309
Bill Frosby:
what's the I just grown to be
accustomed to like those high
1687
00:52:03,309 --> 00:52:06,090
Bill Frosby:
pressure situations and just be
like, this is another.
1688
00:52:06,090 --> 00:52:08,489
Bill Frosby:
I just view it as another game
of dice thrown.
1689
00:52:08,489 --> 00:52:10,090
Bill Frosby:
It's no different than any other
game.
1690
00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:11,809
Bill Frosby:
Just play the best game I can,
right?
1691
00:52:11,809 --> 00:52:12,250
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1692
00:52:12,250 --> 00:52:14,960
Bill Frosby:
Uh, and so I wasn't really fazed
by, I was watching him play and
1693
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,079
Bill Frosby:
I was just like, oh.
1694
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,079
Skyler G:
I feel, uh, feel terrible.
1695
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:19,119
Skyler G:
No, it's all good, man.
1696
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:19,840
Skyler G:
It's fine.
1697
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:20,960
Bill Frosby:
Yeah. Uh.
1698
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,480
Skyler G:
But yeah, it's a tough.
1699
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:28,719
Bill Frosby:
one, but, uh, normally the the
cards, the twice as wild, the
1700
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,639
Bill Frosby:
worthy cards, the special cards,
uh, for the people who win.
1701
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:35,039
Bill Frosby:
So they normally hand them out
the first and second.
1702
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:38,679
Bill Frosby:
But I think Josh, the guy who
runs our league, actually ended
1703
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:40,320
Bill Frosby:
up to me at the start.
1704
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,440
Bill Frosby:
And so I think he only has a
1705
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,059
Bill Frosby:
couple left for the last couple
1706
00:52:43,059 --> 00:52:43,920
Bill Frosby:
tournaments.
1707
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,039
Bill Frosby:
So he only gave one to me for
winning that championship game.
1708
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:48,679
Bill Frosby:
And the guy beat took second.
1709
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:50,519
Bill Frosby:
But he didn't get a worthy card.
1710
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:51,559
Bill Frosby:
And I already have one.
1711
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:54,559
Bill Frosby:
I'm holding it right now,
showing Skyler, uh, showing off
1712
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:55,239
Bill Frosby:
and bragging to him.
1713
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,400
Bill Frosby:
He's like, this is your goal.
1714
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,400
Bill Frosby:
Anyways, uh, I won one, but the
1715
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,639
Bill Frosby:
guy I played against didn't win
1716
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:00,960
Bill Frosby:
one.
1717
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,320
Bill Frosby:
I think his name was Ethan.
1718
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,159
Bill Frosby:
And, uh, I felt bad because I
1719
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:06,880
Bill Frosby:
was just like, why didn't he get
1720
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:07,079
Bill Frosby:
one?
1721
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:09,840
Bill Frosby:
He played just as well as me to
get here undefeated.
1722
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,079
Bill Frosby:
And so I just gave him mine.
1723
00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:11,440
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1724
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,739
Bill Frosby:
He thought it was pretty cool.
1725
00:53:12,579 --> 00:53:15,579
Skyler G:
So yeah, again, super fun group.
1726
00:53:15,579 --> 00:53:15,940
Skyler G:
Oh yeah.
1727
00:53:15,940 --> 00:53:18,780
Skyler G:
I mean, our normal group also
very fun, don't get me wrong,
1728
00:53:18,780 --> 00:53:21,539
Skyler G:
but it was really cool to have
all these additional people.
1729
00:53:21,539 --> 00:53:21,980
Skyler G:
Cool.
1730
00:53:21,820 --> 00:53:23,599
Bill Frosby:
So to invite one of our buddies
1731
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:25,500
Bill Frosby:
who was a. And you finally, one
1732
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:27,280
Bill Frosby:
of our friends from our group
1733
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,860
Bill Frosby:
finally was able to come and
1734
00:53:28,860 --> 00:53:29,820
Bill Frosby:
play.
1735
00:53:29,820 --> 00:53:30,860
Bill Frosby:
And he had fun.
1736
00:53:30,860 --> 00:53:33,579
Bill Frosby:
He just like you also started
off.
1737
00:53:33,579 --> 00:53:34,579
Bill Frosby:
Oh and two.
1738
00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:35,420
Skyler G:
This is true.
1739
00:53:35,219 --> 00:53:37,260
Bill Frosby:
And then one his last two games
as well.
1740
00:53:37,059 --> 00:53:39,900
Skyler G:
So I will say technically we had
two of our buddies there, but
1741
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:41,139
Skyler G:
one of them refuses to play.
1742
00:53:41,139 --> 00:53:42,340
Skyler G:
He refuses to play.
1743
00:53:42,340 --> 00:53:43,179
Skyler G:
He'll play.
1744
00:53:42,980 --> 00:53:46,340
Bill Frosby:
So we play on one Thursday in
the month.
1745
00:53:46,340 --> 00:53:49,219
Bill Frosby:
We play a casual league where
it.
1746
00:53:49,219 --> 00:53:53,539
Bill Frosby:
It's the normal tournament
format, but it's casual with
1747
00:53:53,539 --> 00:53:55,940
Bill Frosby:
nothing on the line and he'll
play in that.
1748
00:53:55,940 --> 00:53:59,019
Bill Frosby:
But when it comes to the
official ranked one, he refuses
1749
00:53:59,019 --> 00:53:59,739
Bill Frosby:
to play in it.
1750
00:53:59,739 --> 00:54:00,219
Bill Frosby:
But he.
1751
00:54:00,219 --> 00:54:02,820
Bill Frosby:
But he comes every time and just
watches us play.
1752
00:54:02,820 --> 00:54:05,500
Bill Frosby:
And it has fun just talking to
us and making jokes.
1753
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:06,500
Bill Frosby:
Uh, that's probably why he
1754
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:07,460
Bill Frosby:
probably doesn't want to play
1755
00:54:07,460 --> 00:54:08,019
Bill Frosby:
competitively.
1756
00:54:08,019 --> 00:54:10,434
Bill Frosby:
He enjoys the game, but doesn't
want to take it that serious,
1757
00:54:10,434 --> 00:54:11,250
Bill Frosby:
which is fine.
1758
00:54:11,250 --> 00:54:12,010
Bill Frosby:
To each their own.
1759
00:54:12,010 --> 00:54:12,530
Bill Frosby:
But he.
1760
00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:13,409
Bill Frosby:
But he still shows up.
1761
00:54:13,409 --> 00:54:15,730
Bill Frosby:
He has fun talking to us, and so
I don't care.
1762
00:54:15,730 --> 00:54:19,090
Bill Frosby:
Um, but I know a couple of our
other buddies, Dave.
1763
00:54:19,090 --> 00:54:21,809
Bill Frosby:
I really want to get him at
least to get to the the
1764
00:54:21,809 --> 00:54:23,090
Bill Frosby:
artificer player board.
1765
00:54:23,090 --> 00:54:23,409
Bill Frosby:
Right.
1766
00:54:23,409 --> 00:54:23,769
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
1767
00:54:23,769 --> 00:54:25,449
Bill Frosby:
And then we need to get in
there.
1768
00:54:25,449 --> 00:54:27,250
Bill Frosby:
I know Quinn would love to get
in there.
1769
00:54:27,090 --> 00:54:27,889
Skyler G:
I agree.
1770
00:54:28,170 --> 00:54:29,250
Bill Frosby:
Uh, but yeah, those are that's
1771
00:54:29,250 --> 00:54:31,449
Bill Frosby:
our in-person tournament
1772
00:54:31,449 --> 00:54:31,889
Bill Frosby:
experience.
1773
00:54:31,889 --> 00:54:32,929
Bill Frosby:
We both have a lot of fun.
1774
00:54:32,929 --> 00:54:33,489
Bill Frosby:
Oh yeah.
1775
00:54:33,489 --> 00:54:34,130
Bill Frosby:
It's great.
1776
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:37,130
Bill Frosby:
I'm already excited for, well,
to finish this season.
1777
00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:40,690
Bill Frosby:
I mean, when this gets put out,
we'll probably be well into the
1778
00:54:40,690 --> 00:54:42,170
Bill Frosby:
age of vitality, right?
1779
00:54:42,170 --> 00:54:44,289
Bill Frosby:
Uh, but as of when we record
1780
00:54:44,289 --> 00:54:45,730
Bill Frosby:
this, there's one more month
1781
00:54:45,730 --> 00:54:47,449
Bill Frosby:
left in the age of innovation
1782
00:54:47,449 --> 00:54:48,809
Bill Frosby:
and our player boards are coming
1783
00:54:48,809 --> 00:54:49,010
Bill Frosby:
up.
1784
00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:50,530
Bill Frosby:
So pretty excited for that.
1785
00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:52,489
Skyler G:
I'm hoping I'm going to be able
to make it.
1786
00:54:52,489 --> 00:54:53,489
Skyler G:
Yeah, let's hope so.
1787
00:54:53,489 --> 00:54:54,329
Skyler G:
We'll see.
1788
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:56,570
Bill Frosby:
Um, and then.
1789
00:54:56,610 --> 00:54:58,289
Skyler G:
Then there's your online
tournaments.
1790
00:54:58,090 --> 00:55:00,769
Bill Frosby:
Online tournaments where I've
played quite a bit.
1791
00:55:00,769 --> 00:55:03,289
Bill Frosby:
Um, I've played.
1792
00:55:03,090 --> 00:55:04,090
Skyler G:
He doesn't even have a job.
1793
00:55:04,090 --> 00:55:05,409
Skyler G:
That's what he does all day.
1794
00:55:05,409 --> 00:55:06,769
Skyler G:
I wish, you know.
1795
00:55:06,769 --> 00:55:08,630
Bill Frosby:
I do have a job and I just do
1796
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:10,010
Bill Frosby:
this in my free time in the
1797
00:55:10,010 --> 00:55:10,550
Bill Frosby:
afternoons.
1798
00:55:10,550 --> 00:55:11,510
Bill Frosby:
But I have it.
1799
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:15,590
Bill Frosby:
Uh. I play the penultimate on
Free Hawks Discord.
1800
00:55:15,590 --> 00:55:16,789
Bill Frosby:
Uh, it's a massive tournament.
1801
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:18,550
Bill Frosby:
I talked about it in the past.
1802
00:55:18,550 --> 00:55:21,829
Bill Frosby:
Um, the first season I played, I
barely did good.
1803
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:24,829
Bill Frosby:
I think I had like a thirty five
percent win rate.
1804
00:55:24,829 --> 00:55:26,190
Bill Frosby:
It was terrible.
1805
00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:28,269
Bill Frosby:
But I was like learning the
game.
1806
00:55:28,269 --> 00:55:28,789
Bill Frosby:
Right.
1807
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:30,230
Bill Frosby:
And then the next season I
1808
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:33,550
Bill Frosby:
played, I ended up making
1809
00:55:33,550 --> 00:55:38,809
Bill Frosby:
playoffs, uh, and then went
1810
00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:40,550
Bill Frosby:
against Stella.
1811
00:55:40,550 --> 00:55:45,889
Bill Frosby:
The, the Stella, uh, one of the
best dextrome players online in
1812
00:55:45,889 --> 00:55:47,269
Bill Frosby:
like the whole world.
1813
00:55:47,269 --> 00:55:52,349
Bill Frosby:
Um, great player, uh, really
easy to play against as well.
1814
00:55:52,349 --> 00:55:55,469
Bill Frosby:
I, I think Stella is up there in
my top three most played against
1815
00:55:55,469 --> 00:55:56,710
Bill Frosby:
Karen people online as well.
1816
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:59,550
Bill Frosby:
So it wasn't like a, it was like
as a game, we're like, we know
1817
00:55:59,550 --> 00:56:02,949
Bill Frosby:
each other to the element of
like, I know what I'm expecting
1818
00:56:02,949 --> 00:56:06,210
Bill Frosby:
when I go into magic and Stella
and Stella knows kind of.
1819
00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:10,329
Bill Frosby:
I'm still like, I feel like I'm
in the the whole online world.
1820
00:56:10,329 --> 00:56:13,530
Bill Frosby:
I'm definitely still a newer
personality, but people are
1821
00:56:13,530 --> 00:56:16,449
Bill Frosby:
starting to learn like what my
play style and all this stuff.
1822
00:56:16,449 --> 00:56:20,050
Bill Frosby:
So but at that time, I was still
a newer upcoming player because
1823
00:56:20,050 --> 00:56:22,050
Bill Frosby:
that was my first time making
playoffs and stuff.
1824
00:56:22,050 --> 00:56:24,090
Bill Frosby:
So, uh, I got matched up a still
1825
00:56:24,090 --> 00:56:26,309
Bill Frosby:
in the first round, uh, and got
1826
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:27,730
Bill Frosby:
beat.
1827
00:56:27,730 --> 00:56:28,849
Bill Frosby:
It was supposed to be best out
1828
00:56:28,849 --> 00:56:30,309
Bill Frosby:
of three, but we ended up going
1829
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:31,610
Bill Frosby:
to four games because we tied a
1830
00:56:31,610 --> 00:56:32,369
Bill Frosby:
game.
1831
00:56:32,369 --> 00:56:33,570
Bill Frosby:
So it went to four games.
1832
00:56:33,570 --> 00:56:35,170
Bill Frosby:
So that's how close it was.
1833
00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:36,489
Bill Frosby:
Um, but yeah, with the fourth
1834
00:56:36,489 --> 00:56:37,929
Bill Frosby:
game I lost, um, so I got
1835
00:56:37,929 --> 00:56:38,889
Bill Frosby:
knocked out of playoffs in the
1836
00:56:38,889 --> 00:56:39,489
Bill Frosby:
first round.
1837
00:56:39,489 --> 00:56:43,449
Bill Frosby:
Uh, and not much else.
1838
00:56:43,449 --> 00:56:46,210
Bill Frosby:
I played in other, I've played
in other tournaments as well.
1839
00:56:46,210 --> 00:56:50,610
Bill Frosby:
I played in the infinite gaming
has a discord and they do.
1840
00:56:50,610 --> 00:56:52,610
Bill Frosby:
That's the one where they said
they did the arcade.
1841
00:56:52,610 --> 00:56:53,329
Bill Frosby:
They did the.
1842
00:56:53,130 --> 00:56:53,690
Skyler G:
Side.
1843
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:56,530
Bill Frosby:
Fun. Sure. Not like the fun.
1844
00:56:56,530 --> 00:57:00,269
Bill Frosby:
Like there's like a, it's like a
game mode type tournaments where
1845
00:57:00,269 --> 00:57:02,449
Bill Frosby:
like there's a special catch to
them or something.
1846
00:57:02,250 --> 00:57:03,250
Skyler G:
Yeah, that makes sense.
1847
00:57:03,090 --> 00:57:06,039
Bill Frosby:
Uh, one of them was called the
Masters that I played in, and
1848
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:08,280
Bill Frosby:
the whole catch was like, you
could only play a character
1849
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,159
Bill Frosby:
once, and if you won with them,
you couldn't play them again.
1850
00:57:11,159 --> 00:57:12,159
Bill Frosby:
And so like, I built like a
1851
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:13,400
Bill Frosby:
whole strategy ahead, getting to
1852
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:13,800
Bill Frosby:
the playoffs.
1853
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,840
Bill Frosby:
I made the playoffs, uh, and
lost.
1854
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:17,960
Skyler G:
In the first.
1855
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:18,840
Bill Frosby:
Round again.
1856
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,159
Bill Frosby:
Uh, but that was fun.
1857
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:21,619
Bill Frosby:
And then I also played in a home
1858
00:57:21,619 --> 00:57:22,679
Bill Frosby:
brew tournament where a bunch of
1859
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:23,460
Bill Frosby:
people made home brew
1860
00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:23,960
Bill Frosby:
characters.
1861
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:24,800
Bill Frosby:
Oh, nice.
1862
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,000
Bill Frosby:
And I was like, oh, like, I
1863
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,199
Bill Frosby:
became like a character in their
1864
00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:28,599
Bill Frosby:
community.
1865
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:30,840
Bill Frosby:
I showed up out of nowhere and
then just started dominating
1866
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,760
Bill Frosby:
their tournament, going on like
a, like an undefeated streak.
1867
00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:36,760
Skyler G:
Was it with a homebrew that you
made or one that.
1868
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:37,199
Skyler G:
No, it.
1869
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,199
Bill Frosby:
Was just one that they, I, they
1870
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:39,519
Bill Frosby:
picked, they made a whole list
1871
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:40,039
Bill Frosby:
of characters.
1872
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:41,719
Bill Frosby:
And I found three that I really
liked.
1873
00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:43,119
Bill Frosby:
And I just was kind of playing
1874
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:44,719
Bill Frosby:
them a bunch and was just
1875
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:46,059
Bill Frosby:
tearing it through their online
1876
00:57:46,059 --> 00:57:46,360
Bill Frosby:
thing.
1877
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:47,719
Bill Frosby:
I was like, I had like this
1878
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:49,159
Bill Frosby:
whole aura to me where like,
1879
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:50,480
Bill Frosby:
everyone was terrified to play
1880
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,679
Bill Frosby:
me because I didn't lose a
1881
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:52,599
Bill Frosby:
single game.
1882
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:53,760
Bill Frosby:
And I finally made it to the
1883
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,380
Bill Frosby:
semi-finals, which honestly
1884
00:57:55,380 --> 00:57:57,639
Bill Frosby:
probably know Brian's a good
1885
00:57:57,639 --> 00:57:59,400
Bill Frosby:
player to the semi-finals was
1886
00:57:59,400 --> 00:57:59,599
Bill Frosby:
great.
1887
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:03,480
Bill Frosby:
I faced Amy, who's just like
Stella, but in the home brew
1888
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,340
Bill Frosby:
world is like also.
1889
00:58:05,340 --> 00:58:07,460
Bill Frosby:
Aw yeah, the Amy.
1890
00:58:07,460 --> 00:58:08,940
Bill Frosby:
She's the one who makes all the
1891
00:58:08,940 --> 00:58:10,460
Bill Frosby:
reviews on lines, the guides
1892
00:58:10,460 --> 00:58:12,019
Bill Frosby:
that people read for each
1893
00:58:12,019 --> 00:58:13,300
Bill Frosby:
character, like read on
1894
00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:13,739
Bill Frosby:
breakdowns.
1895
00:58:13,739 --> 00:58:14,860
Bill Frosby:
That's Amy sick.
1896
00:58:14,860 --> 00:58:16,579
Bill Frosby:
So I played against Amy, who's
1897
00:58:16,579 --> 00:58:17,699
Bill Frosby:
got a great knowledge of the
1898
00:58:17,699 --> 00:58:19,699
Bill Frosby:
game and played her in the semis
1899
00:58:19,699 --> 00:58:22,699
Bill Frosby:
and also went to a best of
1900
00:58:22,699 --> 00:58:23,019
Bill Frosby:
three.
1901
00:58:23,019 --> 00:58:26,519
Bill Frosby:
Also, all these playoff losses
I've had were like losses in
1902
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:27,739
Bill Frosby:
like a best of three match.
1903
00:58:27,739 --> 00:58:31,460
Bill Frosby:
So like I, I took them to the
wire just didn't pull it out.
1904
00:58:31,420 --> 00:58:32,300
Skyler G:
Yeah. That's fair.
1905
00:58:32,260 --> 00:58:38,059
Bill Frosby:
Um, but yeah, anyways, um, as of
when recording, it's halfway
1906
00:58:38,059 --> 00:58:42,300
Bill Frosby:
through season eight of
penultimate and I'm already up
1907
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:45,300
Bill Frosby:
in the playoff grouping, so I
just have to hold that spot for
1908
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:49,099
Bill Frosby:
another month, which I feel like
I should easily be able to do.
1909
00:58:49,099 --> 00:58:50,619
Bill Frosby:
Uh, and then I'm into in their
playoffs.
1910
00:58:50,619 --> 00:58:52,679
Bill Frosby:
So when this episode comes out,
1911
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:54,260
Bill Frosby:
we'll know how I did in that
1912
00:58:54,260 --> 00:58:54,780
Bill Frosby:
playoffs.
1913
00:58:54,780 --> 00:58:56,980
Bill Frosby:
But right now I'm hoping for the
best.
1914
00:58:56,980 --> 00:58:58,780
Bill Frosby:
But you know, stay down.
1915
00:58:58,619 --> 00:58:59,539
Skyler G:
You know, we'll probably have
1916
00:58:59,539 --> 00:59:01,250
Skyler G:
posted on socials or something
1917
00:59:01,250 --> 00:59:01,769
Skyler G:
like that.
1918
00:59:01,769 --> 00:59:02,730
Skyler G:
So, so.
1919
00:59:02,809 --> 00:59:06,170
Bill Frosby:
Um, but yeah, that's my whole
online experience overall.
1920
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:07,130
Bill Frosby:
I've loved it.
1921
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:11,289
Bill Frosby:
Uh, the online way is great to
just get more games in.
1922
00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:11,730
Skyler G:
Yeah.
1923
00:59:11,570 --> 00:59:13,489
Bill Frosby:
Uh, instead of having to wait
1924
00:59:13,489 --> 00:59:15,369
Bill Frosby:
once a month to play like three
1925
00:59:15,369 --> 00:59:16,929
Bill Frosby:
games competitively, I can now
1926
00:59:16,929 --> 00:59:18,010
Bill Frosby:
play competitively.
1927
00:59:18,010 --> 00:59:18,610
Bill Frosby:
Like.
1928
00:59:20,449 --> 00:59:24,489
Bill Frosby:
Like I can, I can like five to
six sets.
1929
00:59:24,489 --> 00:59:26,690
Bill Frosby:
So that's twelve games I give
him about a week.
1930
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:29,449
Bill Frosby:
So like, I put in some, a lot of
games during the week.
1931
00:59:29,449 --> 00:59:31,050
Bill Frosby:
And that just helps me really
1932
00:59:31,050 --> 00:59:32,849
Bill Frosby:
keep up the strength and just
1933
00:59:32,849 --> 00:59:33,969
Bill Frosby:
give me more experience, which
1934
00:59:33,969 --> 00:59:34,989
Bill Frosby:
just makes me a better player
1935
00:59:34,989 --> 00:59:35,690
Bill Frosby:
all around.
1936
00:59:35,530 --> 00:59:36,650
Skyler G:
I think it's important to also
1937
00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:39,250
Skyler G:
note that we're we're tabletop
1938
00:59:39,250 --> 00:59:39,929
Skyler G:
gamers.
1939
00:59:39,929 --> 00:59:40,329
Skyler G:
Yes.
1940
00:59:40,329 --> 00:59:41,769
Skyler G:
Outside of dice thrown.
1941
00:59:41,769 --> 00:59:42,250
Skyler G:
Yes.
1942
00:59:42,250 --> 00:59:43,250
Skyler G:
Just to clarify to everybody.
1943
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Skyler G:
So all the people that like at
the beginning of this, when we
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Skyler G:
were talking about how we do our
tournaments with our friends and
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Skyler G:
things like that, you might be
thinking like, well, just, you
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Skyler G:
know, play with, play with them.
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00:59:51,610 --> 00:59:53,010
Skyler G:
We actually haven't done a
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Skyler G:
tournament with that group
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Skyler G:
probably since I think this last
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Skyler G:
New Year's.
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Skyler G:
Yeah.
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Skyler G:
Um, and, you know, it's not one
of those things that like, they
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Skyler G:
don't want to play dice thrown
all the time.
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01:00:03,150 --> 01:00:05,789
Skyler G:
I'm sure we probably might be, I
don't know, I would miss out on
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Skyler G:
some games to some other
different games, you know, and
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Skyler G:
so that's, that's one of the key
things is like, we like to play
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Skyler G:
other stuff too sometimes.
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Skyler G:
And we have, uh, we're also both
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Skyler G:
on the board for our local Sioux
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Skyler G:
City geek con, uh, which has
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Skyler G:
monthly free game days as well
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Skyler G:
as like a big annual, uh,
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Skyler G:
convention.
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Skyler G:
And at the, the game days, I
mean, we pretty much always
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Skyler G:
bring our dice thrown stuff.
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01:00:27,309 --> 01:00:28,510
Skyler G:
I know I do.
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01:00:28,349 --> 01:00:30,670
Bill Frosby:
And we usually play a couple
games before we get into a
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Bill Frosby:
bigger, heavier game.
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01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:33,909
Skyler G:
Exactly, exactly.
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01:00:33,909 --> 01:00:37,550
Skyler G:
So it's like we try not to
overdo it to a certain extent.
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01:00:37,550 --> 01:00:38,550
Skyler G:
Um, but you know, we're always
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Skyler G:
happy to introduce people to the
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01:00:40,070 --> 01:00:40,989
Skyler G:
game and.
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01:00:41,070 --> 01:00:44,469
Bill Frosby:
And try and host a tournament at
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01:00:44,469 --> 01:00:45,690
Bill Frosby:
this convention, our next
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01:00:45,690 --> 01:00:46,789
Bill Frosby:
convention, because.
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01:00:46,590 --> 01:00:49,550
Skyler G:
We were talking about that, or
you were talking about that with
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01:00:49,550 --> 01:00:52,230
Skyler G:
the local game store, about the
possibility of doing like
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01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:54,389
Skyler G:
something official or something
along those lines, which would
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01:00:54,389 --> 01:00:55,309
Skyler G:
be really cool.
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01:00:55,150 --> 01:00:55,710
Bill Frosby:
Yeah.
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01:00:55,949 --> 01:00:58,800
Skyler G:
I think, um, I know I played one
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01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:59,820
Skyler G:
where we tried to put one
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Skyler G:
together once.
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01:01:00,860 --> 01:01:04,219
Skyler G:
Uh, we only had like maybe
probably about six people.
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01:01:04,219 --> 01:01:04,699
Skyler G:
Yeah.
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01:01:04,699 --> 01:01:07,500
Skyler G:
Including ourselves that
participated, which it's hard
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01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:10,059
Skyler G:
because there's a lot of gaming
going on, a lot of stuff.
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01:01:10,059 --> 01:01:11,440
Skyler G:
I mean, you've got there's like
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01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,099
Skyler G:
the whole side of the, the
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01:01:13,099 --> 01:01:14,320
Skyler G:
convention hall where there's
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01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:15,760
Skyler G:
people playing forty five more
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01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:16,659
Skyler G:
success.
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01:01:16,460 --> 01:01:19,579
Bill Frosby:
Doing a convention game is the
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01:01:19,579 --> 01:01:21,539
Bill Frosby:
habit like the officially online
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01:01:21,539 --> 01:01:21,940
Bill Frosby:
and stuff.
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01:01:21,940 --> 01:01:25,099
Bill Frosby:
So people can see it kind of
like when you do a trading card
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01:01:25,099 --> 01:01:27,940
Bill Frosby:
game tournament at the
convention, people will show up
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01:01:27,940 --> 01:01:33,340
Bill Frosby:
because they see it on the like
the they see officially being
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01:01:33,340 --> 01:01:34,860
Bill Frosby:
ran out of this convention.
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01:01:34,860 --> 01:01:35,420
Bill Frosby:
Right.
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01:01:35,260 --> 01:01:37,019
Skyler G:
So fair enough.
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01:01:37,019 --> 01:01:37,940
Skyler G:
I don't know if that's something
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01:01:37,940 --> 01:01:38,820
Skyler G:
that we would probably put
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01:01:38,820 --> 01:01:40,539
Skyler G:
together, but I think another
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01:01:40,539 --> 01:01:41,699
Skyler G:
side of it too, is when you put
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01:01:41,699 --> 01:01:43,380
Skyler G:
a prize up, that's always a big
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01:01:43,380 --> 01:01:43,820
Skyler G:
one.
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01:01:43,820 --> 01:01:45,460
Skyler G:
So, you know, we'll see what
happens.
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01:01:45,460 --> 01:01:48,659
Skyler G:
But yeah, anyway, that's, uh,
that's pretty much all of our
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01:01:48,659 --> 01:01:51,780
Skyler G:
experience so far with or I
guess an overview of our
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01:01:51,780 --> 01:01:55,039
Skyler G:
experience so far with dice
thrown tournaments In.
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01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:55,360
Skyler G:
Game.
2014
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:56,280
Skyler G:
Out of game.
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01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:56,800
Skyler G:
Official.
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01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:57,800
Skyler G:
Unofficial.
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01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:58,760
Skyler G:
So on and so forth.
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01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,880
Skyler G:
So hopefully this guy, uh, kind
of gave you guys an idea.
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01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,159
Skyler G:
Maybe you're looking at, you
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01:02:03,159 --> 01:02:04,840
Skyler G:
know, your local tournament
2021
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,000
Skyler G:
scene, maybe thinking about
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01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,159
Skyler G:
joining, or maybe you want to go
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01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:09,659
Skyler G:
onto the free Hawkes, uh,
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01:02:09,659 --> 01:02:11,320
Skyler G:
discord and maybe join in there
2025
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,800
Skyler G:
and play some play some games
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01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,739
Skyler G:
with some people just, you know,
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01:02:14,739 --> 01:02:15,559
Skyler G:
good encouragement.
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01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:17,440
Skyler G:
We've had really great positive
experience.
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01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,079
Skyler G:
And I, I hope you will too.
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01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:20,880
Skyler G:
Uh, but definitely give it a
shot.
2031
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,559
Skyler G:
Go, go try it out and see what
you think.
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01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:26,199
Skyler G:
So with that being said, we, uh,
we're going to close out this
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01:02:26,199 --> 01:02:28,199
Skyler G:
episode of the Dice Thrown.
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01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:30,000
Skyler G:
My name is Ben Folds.
2035
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:31,920
Bill Frosby:
My name's Hugh Jackman.
2036
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,079
Skyler G:
And we'll see you next time.
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01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:34,719
Bill Frosby:
Hi, guys.
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01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:38,480
Skyler G:
Well, that's a wrap on another
episode.
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01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:39,000
Skyler G:
You know.
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01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:39,920
Bill Frosby:
It's Skyler, but with the real
2041
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:40,920
Bill Frosby:
face, there's always more on the
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01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:41,199
Bill Frosby:
way.
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01:02:41,199 --> 01:02:43,639
Bill Frosby:
We want to say a massive thank
you to all who tuned in and
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01:02:43,639 --> 01:02:45,119
Bill Frosby:
joined in on the roll phase.
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01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:45,679
Skyler G:
That's right.
2046
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:47,039
Skyler G:
And if you enjoyed the show,
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01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:49,119
Skyler G:
please hit that subscribe or
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01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:50,159
Skyler G:
follow button on whatever
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01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:51,360
Skyler G:
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Skyler G:
right now.
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01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:54,590
Skyler G:
It really helps the show climb
through the rankings and get in
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01:02:54,590 --> 01:02:55,869
Skyler G:
front of more listeners.
2053
01:02:55,789 --> 01:02:57,750
Bill Frosby:
And don't forget to find us in
the wild.
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01:02:57,750 --> 01:03:01,849
Bill Frosby:
You can follow the roll phase on
Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok,
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01:03:01,849 --> 01:03:04,469
Bill Frosby:
but we'll keep you updated on
new episodes and even post more
2056
01:03:04,469 --> 01:03:07,150
Bill Frosby:
content following us and our
dice Stone journey.
2057
01:03:06,989 --> 01:03:08,630
Skyler G:
Yeah. Who knows, we might end up
2058
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:10,289
Skyler G:
at a convention near you, or
2059
01:03:10,289 --> 01:03:12,110
Skyler G:
doing an impromptu video about a
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01:03:12,110 --> 01:03:12,989
Skyler G:
brand new character
2061
01:03:12,989 --> 01:03:13,829
Skyler G:
announcement.
2062
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:15,289
Bill Frosby:
Yeah, and if we hit ten thousand
2063
01:03:15,289 --> 01:03:17,469
Bill Frosby:
subscribers slash followers,
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01:03:17,469 --> 01:03:18,670
Bill Frosby:
Schuyler will dress up as his
2065
01:03:18,670 --> 01:03:20,110
Bill Frosby:
favorite dice thrown hero
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01:03:20,110 --> 01:03:21,030
Bill Frosby:
Psylocke.
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01:03:20,869 --> 01:03:21,630
Skyler G:
Wait, what?
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01:03:21,469 --> 01:03:23,909
Bill Frosby:
Oh, and don't forget, we want to
keep the dice Stone community
2069
01:03:23,909 --> 01:03:26,230
Bill Frosby:
growing, so be sure you're also
following the official dice
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01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:29,349
Bill Frosby:
thrown social accounts to help
support this game we all love.
2071
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:30,630
Skyler G:
Yeah. Good idea.
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01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:32,469
Skyler G:
Hey, can we circle back to the
Psylocke?
2073
01:03:32,469 --> 01:03:35,289
Bill Frosby:
You're right Schuyler, the best
way to grow the community is to
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01:03:35,289 --> 01:03:37,269
Bill Frosby:
support the original creators.
2075
01:03:37,110 --> 01:03:38,429
Skyler G:
Yeah, I know, but.
2076
01:03:38,389 --> 01:03:40,869
Bill Frosby:
Until next time, this has been.
2077
01:03:40,869 --> 01:03:41,909
Bill Frosby:
You're supposed to say it.
2078
01:03:41,909 --> 01:03:42,710
Bill Frosby:
Oh, uh.
2079
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:44,429
Skyler G:
The Roll Phase podcast.
2080
01:03:44,269 --> 01:03:46,190
Bill Frosby:
See you all next episode.
2081
01:03:46,030 --> 01:03:47,630
Skyler G:
Hey, I never agreed to.