Interview: The Regulation Trap Strangling America

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Joining us now is Myron Ebel. He is with fixthepa
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veto dot org and he's been pushing a deregulation agenda
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for quite some time. And as you know, I've talked
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about this, I think the greatest problem that we have
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here in the US in terms of being able to
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grow our economy and being able to have manufacturing all
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the rest of this stuff is the strangling regulations coming
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out of Washington. And probably nowhere is that worse than
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in the environmental regulations. And Myron Ebel was part of
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the transition team and Trump's first administration. I know some
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of the people that were part of that. I had
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worked with them at American Tradition Institute, which now has
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become any News, and so they had some expectations. Some
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good things were done, some things were left incomplete. That's
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kind of the way that it all works. But we're
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going to talk about some of the issues that still
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remain and a major loophole that is there that is
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going to allow, if it's not closed, it's going to
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allow the rapid reassertment of some of the things that
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have been removed. So joining us now is Mayra and email.
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Thank you so much.
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For joining us, sir, thanks for having me. David, Well,
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thank you.
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Tell us a little bit about what you're looking at
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when you talk about a gaping hole in the deregulatory push.
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What are you talking about in terms of the Clean
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Water Act?
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Well, it's there are a number of environmental laws that
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are a problem and that need reform and.
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Making faster.
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But one problem that the Trump administration has not focused
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on is what happens if there is an unfriendly administration
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in the future, a radical environmental administration, and the Democrats
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are moving seemed to be moving further and further to
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the left on these issues, so it's quite likely that
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a future Democratic administration would be more radical than the
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Biden or the Obama administration.
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Well that's so interesting because you know, once they decided
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that they needed to have a lot of power for
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the artificial intelligence data centers, things started to rapidly change.
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I mean that really kind of through a lot just defenestrated.
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A lot of this doom and gloom climate stuff just
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went right out the window when they decided that wait
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a minute, we've got this very powerful use for artificial intelligence.
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We need to clear the decks to get this thing
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in so we can have our police survey on the
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state or whatever. But so in terms of reading the
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tea leaves, they're still talking about moving in a very
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radical environmental way that you're looking at.
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Yes, I think so.
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I think there's a you know that the tech community
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was has has moved over to the Trump side of
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these issues, but I don't think the Democrats have caught
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up with that yet. And so, you know, the Trump
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there's a lot of pressure in Congress to on permitting reform.
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I doubt that the Senate will be able to do anything,
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but there is a lot of pressure because, as you said,
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the deregulation is necessary to be able to build things
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in this country. There's so many layers and it takes
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so long, and there's.
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So much litigation.
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And so the Trump administration in its first term tried
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to address that and made some progress. And in the
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second term, I think they're being much more aggressive. They're
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trying to speed up do everything they can without Congress
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changing the laws. They're doing everything they can to speed
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up the permitting of projects. And we're talking about energy projects,
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mining projects, major infrastructure projects. But speeding all these things
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up is good. But there's something in the Clean Water
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Act that could undo all of the progress that's being
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made to get these projects through the process and let
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the company start building them. And that is called the
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Section four four C veto, and what it means is
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that the Core of Engineers can permit a project for
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a dredge and fill permit, that is digging up dirt
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and rock and moving in and putting it somewhere else.
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They can issue that permit, the investors can start investing
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and building that project. But the Section four O four
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ce veto means that the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency,
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can veto that project after it's being built. And so
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this is a huge threat. And the main point I
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want to make is if you are trying to arrange
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billions of dollars to build a new pipeline or open
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a new mine, to take that risk, if you think
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that after you've invested your money it could just be yanked,
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I don't think so.
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Yeah.
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Recently, I've talked to several people that have been in mining,
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and we've had the bottleneck that everybody's talked about in
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terms of rare earth, and so we've got a lot
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of people out there trying to do it, and they're
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talking about how it takes us twenty years and we're
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still not sure they're going to get this. We've got
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to invest billions of dollars up front, and it's a
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real casino with all that stuff. I think one of
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the things that's happening with this that's different again going
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back to AI and as you point out the tech people,
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we have put so much money into all things digital,
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and yet we don't have the mining and the manufacturing
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and the materials basis to make all this stuff work.
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You know, if they're going to have massive data centers,
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they're going to have to have a lot of copper,
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They're going to have to have a lot of these
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other resources, and there just isn't the pipeline there for
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that does not exist to make sure that we have
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what we need to build that out, assuming that, you know,
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we want to have all these massive data centers, which
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I think is another questions out there, the use that
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it's going to be put to. So it's it's all
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always a question. Whatever their agenda is, they have to
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look at the practical aspects of it. And we really
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have neglected the physical infrastructure throughout our country for everything
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not just for aid data centers, but that's kind of
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thing that's that's really grabbed people in terms of changing
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a lot of people's minds on all the climate hysteria.
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They backed off a little bit on that, and I
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think that's one of the key things that's there. And
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it's just astounding when you talk about the amount of
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time that it takes to get something approved, let alone
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to build it.
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That's absolutely right, David.
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I think you know, there's there's several things that any
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any industry needs. They need material and that softened metals
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and minerals, and they need energy. And the Trump administration
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combined with the shale revolution going back to the twenty
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years now, that opened up these huge new resources of
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oil and natural gas in the rock in shale formations.
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Those and the Trump policies that have allowed that to explode,
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means that the United States is an incredibly good position
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now in terms of its energy. Now, many states are
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trying to hamsterring that, like California and New York by
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with their idiotic climate policies. They want to raise the
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price of energy, not lower it. But the US is
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in a great position on energy, but on other raw
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materials it's in a very bad position. And I'll just
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start with minerals.
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You know, there's.
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Large parts of the United States are heavily mineralized. There's
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a lot of places that can be mined, but a
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lot of those have been closed off. And when companies
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try to open minds, they face ten to twenty years
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of getting through the permitting process before they can actually
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start building the mind and a lot of that the
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permitting process is controlled by litigation. Every agency has to
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go very slowly and take very detailed environmental impact statements
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because they know they're going to be sued in court
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by environmental and preservation groups, so it takes.
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A long time.
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And then even worse than the fact that so much
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of our mining, our minerals are now imported from abroad,
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is that China controls the production of several critical minerals.
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But even more, it controls the processing, the smelting and
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the processing of turning these turning the rock or into
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metals and minerals that can be used. So you know,
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for example, cobalts most of its mind in Africa and
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the Congo, but it's all processed in China. So China
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really has a choke hold not only on our economy,
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but on the entire world economy for a number of
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critical minerals that are used as you mentioned AI and
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these big tech companies cell phones, you know.
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And I was talking to a guy who had a
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company that's trying to do the rare with minerals and
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again they're desperate for for their defense industry in Washington,
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and he was saying, it isn't that these minerals are rare,
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it's just that we don't have the ability to refine them.
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That's all being done in China.
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Now, yep, that's right.
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Yeah, that's interesting. And of course it's the other part
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of this when I look at what is happening with
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these things and look, you know, I mean it's there
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are some things that need to be done, but the
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pendulum can fall way to the extreme of one side.
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And I think that's where we are right now. And
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so when you look at this. I remember when I
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was in high school reading my dad's BusinessWeek magazines, and
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one of the things that really stuck out to me
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was the fact that they talked about how Europe was
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paralyzed with regulation. They called it eurosclerosis, and it was
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kind of a hardening of the artery, so they couldn't
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get anything done, and we have now followed them down
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that same path. We have a kind of sclerosis here
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that has paralyzed us.
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Really, that's right, and a lot of it.
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You know, these environmental laws that were passed in the
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early nineteen seventies, the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act,
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the Endangered Species Act, and several others, including the National
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Environmental Policy Act. All of these laws have never really
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been reformed. There have been I guess you could say
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the nineteen ninety two Clean Air Act amendments that the
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first Bush administration did was the last major reform of
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any of these laws.
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And that was not a good reform.
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That was actually it had some good and it had
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some really bad stuff in it. And so our laws
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have not kept pace with the changes in the world
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and in the way things work. And the second thing
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is that nobody.
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Who passed these laws.
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I think the environmental groups knew, but the lawmakers didn't
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understand how all of these laws could be gained by
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our court system, so that if for example, a permit
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is issued that it can an environmental group can come
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in and sue, and if they lose they can come
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in on some other grants, or some other group can
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come in and sue again, and so these are held
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up now for years and years and years in the courts,
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and instead of having regulators who know something about the issue,
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we hope making the decisions, we have judges essentially making
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our environmental and industrial policy, and many of them really
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are not very favorable. They don't like, for example, the
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shutdown of the timber industry in the Northwest in the
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nineteen nineties and early two thousands, that was all done
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by one federal court judge who essentially took control of
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the timber industry through the Endangered Species Act. And so
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these are the kinds of things that when you talk
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about sclerosis, a lot of it I think is legal,
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and in the courts the agencies are bad, but the
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courts are even worse.
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Generally, well, we're talked about the Pacific Northwest experience that
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I had in terms of a report that I did.
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My son and I went up and we interviewed a
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guy who was a lumberjack and had been up in
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that area. He said, the federal government has basically shut
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everything down, and they've done such a bad job of
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managing the public lands that he had been as part
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of his preparation for his retirement. He had gradually accumulated
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a lot of land and he was going to gradually
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sell off that lumber as he retired. And he said,
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what happened was the mismanagement of the Federal lands because
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they refused to get rid of dead wood and other
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things like that. They would leave this fuel, which is
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what it becomes, fuel on the ground. So we've got
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trees that are dying, trees that have fallen down, and
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it's basically fuel for a fire, even a natural fire.
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And getting out of controlling. He said, it got out
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of control, burned the Federal lands and burned up his
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retirement as well. Yeah, and he said, and look around here,
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he said, there's absolutely nothing left. He said, look at
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all of the different lumber mills and things like that.
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They were all rusted and decaying. It was really sad
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to look at it. We did a long report on it,
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and all the lumber mills were rusted in decaying. And
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he said, there's nobody moving into the area. All the
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businesses have closed. The only thing that is happening here,
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he says, we've got retirees who are moving into the area,
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and we've got the federal government is opening one office
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after the other. Said, that's the only thing that's going
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is the federal government. I thought, what a picture of
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overreach that we have.
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With that.
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Of course, we all want to make sure and this
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is where the EPA started. It started with these super
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fines that had some really horrific places of pollution, and
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they cleaned those up. I don't know if you know
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David Schnair or not, but I worked with him at
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e ANDA. He was E and E and he was
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one of the earliest TPA employees and he was there
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for over thirty years. And when he got out, he
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was so disgusted by the overreach and how this had
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grown into mission creep that had grown in and it
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became not about cleaning up pollution, came about shutting down
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any growth and any reasonable use of the land. And
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so he went to the other side and he started
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opposing what they were doing because it had changed from
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the mission of cleaning things up to a mission of
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making sure that we don't do anything.
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Yes, that's right, and David David learned that from the
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David Schnaiir learned that from the inside and he knew
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how he knew how the beast worked. And of course,
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UH the civil service is meant to be UH experts
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who are who are not politically motivated. But the e
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p A is, you know, one of the worst agencies
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in terms of of of being highly politicized and having
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and I'm not saying everybody who works there is UH
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is on the environmentalist team, but there are enough people,
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especially in senior roles, who are very hostile to development
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and economic growth. They think that those you know, if
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if the economy is growing, the environment must be doing
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being hurt, and in fact the opposite is true. Economic
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growth is what drives environmental health and progress. And if
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you go back to the Clean Water Act, you know,
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huge areas of the country have been designated as federal wetlands,
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and some of the many of them are wetlands.
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If there's a if there's a.
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Swamp that's next to a river, or that the swamp
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drains into the river, that's that's a federal jurisdiction.
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And the federal government can.
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Regulate it even on private land, not just federal land
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or state land, but the claims of what is a wetland.
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It grew so large that most of Arizona was under
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the Obama rule. The wetlands of the US Rule, which
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the Biden administration revived, would be defined as a wetland
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because these desert canyons would have water coming down them
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every few years, and that makes them a wetland. And
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so the Trump administration tried to reform the wetland rule
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in the first administration, but the Supreme Court has done
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an even better job with several decisions, and so the
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federal claims of jurisdiction over wetlands are not nearly as
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big now as they are. Nonetheless, if you are involved
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in any kind of project that moves a lot of
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dirt and rock and you need a dredge and filled permit,
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you are likely if it's a pipeline or a road
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or a mine, you are likely to have a federal
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jurisdiction through the Clean Water Act through wetlands jurisdiction. And
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that means you will have to get a Section four
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or for permit, and that's why it's so important to
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try to speed up the process. But it's also important
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to correct this this loophole that was created that allows
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the EPA to veto the project after it's been permitted
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and is underway.
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Yeah, I remember there was a case. I think the
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Montana is a guy who on his own property and
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only he didn't have a massive rancher any thing. It's
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only something like eight acres or something like that. And
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he had a couple of cows and they dug out
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a little recessed area so they can make their own
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pond for the kids would swim in it and the
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cows would drink from it. That type of thing. And
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the EPA came in and tried to regulate that under
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the waters of the USA Act and say that was
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something that they should regulate. It was all self contained
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in his property. He had created it, and they got
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really they came after him, started hitting him with fines
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and started accumulating and multiplying and adding late charges to it.
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They wound up with an astronomical amount of money and
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as he was fighting it, and then they tried to
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garnish his wages because that wasn't what he was doing
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for a living. It wasn't a farm that he was doing.
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seen in me this kind of stuff, but just shows
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how they have metastasized in terms of their mission, how
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it is creeped out of the confines of common sense.
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They even tried to garnish his wages like it's some
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kind of an income tax thing or something. It was
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absolutely amazing. And the fact that they would extend the
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wetlands to the deserts that it is also a good
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example of how this has fallen off to the other side.
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And again we're not talking about being unreasonable for things.
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Certainly people need to be aware of the impact of
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what it is that they're doing, and there are things
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that can be done, just as we're talking about in
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terms of air quality and things like that. They want
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to shut every thing down. It's this kind of absolutism
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that we see over and over again when the bureaucracies
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and regulators get involved, the same type of thing that
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has been shutting down in many areas, and the types
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of cars that people are allowed to have. You can't
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have a car that's got any kind of a mission.
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So even if the car is predominantly an electric vehicle,
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if it's a hybrid, or if it's one of these
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what they call now an extended range electric vehicle, where
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you've got a small generator there that's going to charge
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the batteries and give you a very extended long range.
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You're not allowed to have that in many areas because
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they've got to have absolute zero emissions. And when you
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look at that kind of absolutism, it always leads to
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a tierney, doesn't it.
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Yes, And I think you know the example of the
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of the landowner group who dug a pond. I think
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that kind of thing is much is handled much better
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at the state and county level.
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East there's lots of water and issue. At the further west,
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you it starts to get dry. And the Western states
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have very well established state water law that controls water rights.
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superior to someone else. Then you you have the first
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right to use the water. And so I think that
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it's been worked out quite well in most states, most
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of the Western states, and I think it works. It
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works pretty well. There's there are disputes, but it's settled law.
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And now we have the federal government has that has
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come in with with the Clean Water Act and has
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really done a lot of damage to to settle law
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in the West, and it's uh.
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And through the Endangered Species Act as well.
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So I think, you know, the federal overreach is a
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problem mostly of regulation. People think of, oh, that the
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taxes are too high, but it's actually a lot easier
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to control taxes than it is to control the growth
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of regulation.
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And right, it's the debt'st it's the big battle for you.
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It's the debt.
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We can't control taxes, that's no problem.
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I'll cut your tax that's is no vote. Just spending can't.
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Spending is very hard to control.
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Yes, that's right. Yeah, And when we look at this,
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of course what you're saying is very true. These things
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are better addressed at the local level. And that was
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really what our constitution was about with the Tenth Amendment,
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is about, uh, that there were very few things that
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were going to be done by the federal government. Now
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the federal government has to have approval and involvement and
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every single aspect of our life. And it's that kind
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of a mind frame that needs to be adjusted because
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they don't have really the authority to do most of
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these things we're talking about even the environmental stuff that
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is there, that's not really something that belongs to the
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federal government. That's something that is really best resolved at
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the local level. You know, when people look at what
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the agenda is for many people on the left, they
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want to have federal zoning law to control what you
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can do with your property. They want to put everything
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at the central and highest level and not do anything locally.
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And so I think there's going to have to be
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really when we look at this, we can fight these
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battles one by one, or we can look at it
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and we can say, here's the foundational problem, and that
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is throwing out the Tenth Amendment. So the federal government
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has to have a say and has to grant permission
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to do anything and everything in our lives, and everything
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is basically forbidden unless they permit it at the federal level.
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That is exactly wrong. That's an inversion of the Tenth Amendment.
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And I think that's really one of the key things.
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What do you see in terms of that type of action.
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Is there any awareness of that in terms of people
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pushing back against this federal overreach.
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In general?
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I think that the Trump administration, the second Trump administration
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has undertaken the biggest deregulatory has the biggest deregulatory agenda
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since regulations really started to get going one hundred and
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ten to fifteen years ago, and so they're very ambitious,
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and I think if you look at a lot of
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what they're doing is they're trying to shrink the federal footprint.
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They're trying to shrink the federal claims of authority over things.
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And unfortunately a lot of this is in law, and
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so they can only take it so far unless Congress
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will reform some of these laws.
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And you know, I agree, Yeah, there's just the sea
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change in my lifetime. You used to me would laugh
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about it, would say, hey, don't make a federal case
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out of it. Well, everything is a federal case.
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Right everything, Yeah, that's right, And so it.
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Has to be a there has to be an awareness
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of the general public that everything should not be a
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federal case, that there are many things that are better
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and it really can only be handled at the state
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and a local level, and even under the constitution, regardless
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of what laws they pass, there has to be an
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understanding that there was a reason that they did it
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that way in the Constitution and by the way the
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Constitution is governing over these laws, and so is that
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an approach that it's being taken. Are they really challenging
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the constitutionality of some of these laws. Are they just
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changing the laws at this point in time, because I
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think that's really going to make it a problem when
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the Democrats come in or somebody who wants to start
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to regulate this stuff. If we leave the idea there
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that the federal government has the right, or the duty
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or the power to do these types of things, then
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it's going to see saw back and forth been the
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Republicans Democrats all the time, unless we can get back
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to a clear understanding of federalism and the idea that
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power is getting granted to the government by the states,
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which is really what the Constitution says historically what happened,
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and now the servant has become a master.
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Yes, that's right. I think.
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You know, Congress isn't passing major reforms of our regulatory laws,
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and the Trump administration is trying to do what are
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called administrative rule makings. That is, you go through a
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process that takes several years and you change the rules
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that implement the law, and these rules can be undone
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by a future administration by going through the same process.
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But it does take several years, and it is subject
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to public comment, and it is subject to litigation. So
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if we can't change the laws, the best thing we
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can do is to reform the rules under which these
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laws are administered, and that's the Trump administration is trying
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to do that in a lot of places. And then
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I would one place where they're not doing enough is
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on federal lands, which is you know, twenty one quarter
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of the country is federal land for a service, Bureau
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of Land Management, national parks.
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But that's it. Yeah, that's a huge problem.
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And I don't think the Trump administration is is doing
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enough on reforming our federal lance regulations.
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But they well, to be fair, they're doing quite a bit.
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But but there's there's a problem, which is that the
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White House, the president doesn't really understand that the federal
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lands are a problem. So it comes up against his
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He looked, he and his two hunting sons, sons who hunt,
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they are very keen on federal lands, and so they
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want to keep them. And I think we should be
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getting you know, getting rid of transferring them to the
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states and getting proving the environmental management of those lands,
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if if the states could get a hold of them
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and get rid of the federal land mismanagement that is
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burning down our forests, as you mentioned. But the other
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thing is that there have been several good Supreme Court
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decisions on these issues, on regulatory issues. One was called
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Low or Bright, another is the Seven County Infrastructure Coalition.
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These decisions are shrinking the federal regulatory reach, and I
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think if we can build on those, and if this
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Trump administration could get some of these cases, more of
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these cases to the Supreme Court, there could be a
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further progress through through the Supreme Court.
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Yeah, that's true. It's good to have you on to
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talk about this because you know, we all have this
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antiquated idea of how things take place. You know, how
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bill becomes a law, the old schoolhouse rock thing. You know,
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I'm a bill, I'm a bill on Capitol Hill. It
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doesn't work that way. As you point out, you have
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these rules and it's really the bureaucracies that are ruling us.
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They're not elected, they're not accountable. And what's even worse
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is that they have taken the position and we see
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this across the board where you're talking about the I
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r S where you're talking about the.
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Drug war.
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If they put out a regulation, then if they want
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to do civil asset for for sure, for example, then
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you don't have any due process. They don't have to
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prove that you're guilty of something. You are guilty and
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have to prove the genison. And we're all familiar with
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that through the IRS. But now we've seen that happening
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with the drug war many other things in terms of
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property rights when it comes to things that have to
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do with the environment, and if the bureaucracy that has
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to do with the environment, the EPA, gets involved in it, well,
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guess what, you don't have any property rights with that either.
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And so there needs to be an understanding that, you know,
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just like Nancy Pelosi said, we got to pass it
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to find out what wasn't that you know, going to
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create these massive guidelines or maybe even a whole new department,
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and then they're going to set all the rules for everything.
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Congress only doesn't do its job anymore. And so, as
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you point out, you have this fight within the executive branch,
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and that causes us to seesaw back and forth between
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Republican and Democrat administrations because they're just setting up arbitrary rules.
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And I think there has to be a fundamental understanding
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change in terms of the way the public sees how
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this is happening, to understand the reality of what's going
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on in Washington, how these missions have creeped out on
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us to control everything. It's really through the bureaucracy, isn't it.
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Yes?
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And you mentioned that Congress doesn't do its job, and
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I think that's the key problem. Congress passes a law
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and delegates authority not to the president so much, but
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to the agency that is going to administer the law,
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to the civil service, the bureaucrat, that's right, and then
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they never do any oversight. And on the rare occasions
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when they do do oversight to figure out whether the
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agency is administering the law in the way that Congress
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wanted and they find out that it isn't, then they
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are unable to pass any reforms. They can't. They can't actually,
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and once they've enacted a law, they can't. It's very hard.
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It's proven very hard for Congress to enact reforms to
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those laws, even when they understand that the law isn't
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working the way it should.
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Yeah, my hearings, and they'll become local heroes and media
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figures complaining about what the problem is. But as you
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point out, they never reform it, they never change it,
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and they leave that power in the bureaucracies. And so
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there really has to be an understanding of the American
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people about how the system actually operates and how Congress
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has abdicated their authority over pretty much everything. They've abdicated
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it to either the bureaucracy or to the executive branch,
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and they really don't do anything except provide us with
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a circus to talk about I guess.
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Yes, that's right, that's right, And you know we need,
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you know, the answers, have better legislators to elect better people.
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But as you know, you can't really tell the way
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our system works. It's hard to tell who's better and
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who's who's worse. And then once they get into office,
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they often many of them quickly become part of the problem,
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not part of the solutions.
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Yeah, go native. Yeah, and then if you got somebody
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who really does stand up to the system, you'll have
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the system. We'll purge them out because the system is
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set up to have legislators who are malleable. They understand.
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That's why they don't do anything. They know that if
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they make any waves, they're going to get taken out.
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And so you don't stand up against anything, the spending
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or anything else. You just kind of quietly go along
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and you'll be fine. And there's a nice pension involved,
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is there. Well, it truly is amazing. Thank you so
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much for trying to do something to fix this. And again,
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I think it's really key for people to understand how
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this system works. The awesome power that has been given
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has been abdicated by Congress to the regulatory agencies. And
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one example of that is the EPA veto that you're
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talking about. And again, people can find out about this
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at FIXTHEPA veto dot org. Thank you so much for
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joining us, Myron, I appreciate that.
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Thanks for having me, David. Thank you.
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The common man. They created common Core, dumbed down our children.
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They created common past, track and control us their comments
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project to make sure the commoners own nothing and the
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communist future they see. The common man is simple, unsophisticated, ordinary,
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but each of us has worth and dignity created in
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the image of God. That is what we have in common.
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That is what they want to take away. Their most
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powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation. They desire to know
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everything about us, while they hide everything from us. It's
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time to turn that around and expose what they want
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to hide. Please share the information and links you'll find
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at the Davidknightshow dot com. Thank you for listening, Thank
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