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All right, welcome, welcome to the pulse beat episode today, sponsored by Cardio Miracle.
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We are so excited to have Stephen Dr.
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Hussey with us.
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At just 34 years old, Dr.
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Stephen suffered a heart attack that changed the course of his life.
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Instead of relying solely on conventional treatments, he set out to understand the true causes of heart disease, ultimately reversing plaque and restoring his heart health without medication.
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Today he's a chiropractor, functional medicine practitioner, best-selling author and speaker who challenges traditional beliefs about cardiovascular health.
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In this episode, Dr.
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Hussey shares his remarkable journey, the science behind heart disease, and practical ways to build a healthier heart naturally.
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We are so excited and honored to have him with us.
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Dr.
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Steven, how are you doing today?
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I'm doing great.
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How are you?
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Awesome, awesome, awesome.
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Thank you very much.
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Yeah, we're we're so excited to talk to you about this.
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So uh, you know, I don't know if you want to jump right into man, having a heart attack at 34, that's gotta be a shocker.
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But was there like what what led up to that?
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Did did you have any warning signs before that?
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It's kind of a loaded question.
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Sure.
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Yeah, no warning signs uh before it.
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Um matter of fact, all my testing looked absolutely perfect according to cardiology.
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Like, so I had a what's called a CAC score done about six months prior to the heart attack, uh, measurement of how much calcified plaque there is in my heart.
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Um, and it was zero, perfect score.
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Um, I had good metabolic health numbers, you know, good lipid numbers.
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We can talk all about lipids.
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I don't I don't think that they're really that relevant, but um, low inflammatory numbers, all kinds of good things.
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They would have told you, you know, aside from me being type 1 diabetic since I was nine, I looked great, right?
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Everything looked good on paper and still had a heart attack six months later.
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So, but yeah, like to give everybody kind of the full backstory is like I um as a kid, I had a lot of inflammatory conditions.
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I used to have like chronic hives break out all over my body.
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I had asthma, terrible allergies, uh, IBS, ill bow syndrome, um, types of things.
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And then in that, with that inflammation, I ended up with autoimmune type 1 diabetes diagnosed at age nine.
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And my parents and I just kind of relied on Western medicine to help us navigate these things.
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And it wasn't until college that I started to learn that I could change the way I live my life and have a direct impact on these conditions.
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And I got rid of most all of them, aside from the type 1 diabetes that was kind of the collateral damage that happened during that time.
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And so that kind of got me hooked on health.
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And so I pursued health in college, health and wellness major, uh, got went to chiropractic school after that, got my master's in human nutrition and functional medicine, and I've always lived a very healthy lifestyle.
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So, yes, it was a shock at 34 years old when um I had this heart attack.
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And so the thing was is that, you know, all my metabolic health was good.
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I always ate a whole foods diet, uh, always exercised regularly, very athletic, played all kinds of sports, um, and avoided toxins, maintained control of my type 1 diabetes, so all that stuff was all good for me, but it wasn't enough to prevent this.
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So it got me thinking much differently and looking very differently into other things.
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Um, because you know, um, after the heart attack, I decided not to take their medications.
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I was aware of a lot of the research on most of them.
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So aside from a blood thinner that I took for six months because they placed a stint, I took, I didn't take any of the medications.
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But what I did uh was I kind of developed my own heart health routine um over time as I kind of looked into it because I had all the you know healthy diet and exercise down pat.
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So I was like, what else was there?
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And I built this routine, and over the next um four months, I my heart completely recovered as far as function.
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Um I prevented heart failure, which they told me I wouldn't be able to do without medications.
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Um, because of the procedure that they did, I developed a 70 to 99% blockage of plaque in my leg because of the heart calf procedure they did.
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And they told me that I would never be able to reverse that, especially as a type 1 diabetic.
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But over a year and a half, I completely reversed it, um, doing things that I I have no idea if these things were the cause of why it reversed, but I did a bunch of different things and it's gone now.
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So, and then based on a angiogram I got about a year and a half ago, my heart arteries are free of plaque.
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Um, so after the heart attack.
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So, yeah, I got some results that modern medicine told me I wouldn't be able to do, uh, but I did something very different than what they do within the walls of Western medicine.
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So um, so yeah, that's kind of my story.
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And now I teach people about what I found along the way, what happened to me, what can we learn from it, and how can I help others who are unfortunately maybe going through the same thing or trying to prevent the same thing?
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Wow, man, that inspiring.
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That is that is huge.
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And so, like, I guess another big, you know, open questions, kind of a loaded question, is is what would you say would be one of the biggest myths out there that you were constantly told about heart health and uh and about this whole thing that you went through?
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Um well, I mean, the most common one that people hear, I would say, is that heart disease is driven by cholesterol levels in your blood.
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Um, I think for me, there's an even bigger one that um, and that is that that heart disease and heart attacks can be largely prevented by diet changes alone.
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I think diet is incredibly important and it's an it's an important aspect of any healthy lifestyle.
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But again, I've always eaten a whole foods diet, and this happened to me.
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Um but we'll address the cholesterol thing first because it's the it's the most popular one, it's the one that everybody has questions about.
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Wolf in the room, right?
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Yeah, definitely.
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Um But you know, in my book, I kind of tell this this story of how this cholesterol theory came about.
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And it turns out there was never any sound evidence for it in the first place.
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Um matter of fact, the um the original you know study or two studies that came out from Ansel Keys were basically associational studies that just looked at the amount of saturated fat, cholesterol in people's diets in six or seven different countries, and they just compared that what the what the association was with um the amount of cholesterol or the amount of uh heart disease that people had in those countries.
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So associational studies have many flaws.
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Um they can't prove causation, they can just show that two things are happening at the same time.
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The biggest issue with what these studies did was that there was data from 22 countries available at the time.
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And Ansel Keys cherry picked the seven countries that gave him the correlation that he wanted.
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However, there were two scientists that repeated that study a few years later and used all the data available, all 22 countries' data, and found there was no association.
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Um, so but by that time, the theory had kind of taken off.
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You know, there's that picture of, you know, the sad bacon face on Time magazine and everything, like President Eisenhower had a heart attack when he was in Oval Office, and so um everybody was looking for an answer.
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And so when Ansel Keys gave us this answer, everybody just kind of jumped on it and went for it, right?
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Even though there was no evidence.
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Matter of fact, there was probably five or six different clinical trials where they removed saturated fat and cholesterol in people's diets and replaced it with unsaturated fat.
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And every single one of those studies shows that the more unsaturated fat people ate, the higher rates of heart disease they had.
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And the lower that people's cholesterol was, the higher rates of heart disease they had.
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But those all those studies were just kind of swept under the rug.
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Um, matter of fact, um, one of those studies, which was Ansel Keys, was the lead author on, um, or he was the lead scientist on, but his name was omitted from the paper.
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And they tracked down the lead author on the paper back in the early 2000s, and they asked them, why did why did you not publish this or why did you uh because they didn't publish it until 16 years later.
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Um and would say, Why did you publish it?
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Right?
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They were like, they said, Well, we didn't publish it because we didn't get the results we wanted.
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That's what they said.
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Wow.
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And so that's the nature of science in general, which is a whole other conversation.
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But, anyways, there's no real sound evidence to begin with that this cholesterol theory or that cholesterol is the driver of heart disease.
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Am I gonna say it's irrelevant?
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Uh I don't know.
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Um, it may be it may be play some role uh along the way in the development of heart disease, but there's so much nuance to this.
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I've discovered so much stuff.
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Um, but the other thing is that the main approach to preventing heart disease uh has been cholesterol or medications for the last, you know, since the 80s, right?
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Um however, heart disease has continued to be the number one killer in the world.
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Um heart disease deaths have come down a little bit, but that's because we have procedures that intervene when someone is having a heart attack that can save them.
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It's the reason I'm here today, right?
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So we're saving people from dying from heart disease.
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So heart disease death has gone down, but we've not really decreased the incidence altogether.
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Um and that uh is it's largely because we're chasing the wrong thing.
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We're barking up the wrong tree as far as cholesterol.
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It's way more convoluted.
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There's way many other changes that have happened over the last 120 years that's led to this epidemic that we have.
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And we've been, you know, I mean, there's studies that show if you take statin drugs, there's all these studies that will show that it's the relative risk is great, right?
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But relative risk is really clinically irrelevant.
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If you look at absolute risk, lower end cholesterol or statins is negligible.
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The effects, the benefits are negligible.
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Um, and they're they're way overblown because it's more marketing for the pharma companies than anything else.
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So um, yeah, there's so much more we can talk about cholesterol, all the ins and outs and everything.
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And what cholesterol actually means, what do you what does it actually mean when you measure that in your blood?
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It really just tells us about metabolism.
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It doesn't tell us about risk of anything.
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Um, there's interesting studies, like one-person experiments where people can manipulate what their LDL is.
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LDL cholesterol is um on a daily basis based on eating more fats versus more carbs.
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Um so if you eat more fats, then your body has you know a choice to burn one fuel source, and that is fatty acids.
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Those fatty acids are delivered via LDL molecules, so your body has to increase LDL molecules to deliver more fats if you restrict all carbohydrates.
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And if you eat carbohydrates, your body doesn't have to deliver as many fats, so it brings the LDL down and you can burn more carbohydrates.
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And there's a really interesting one person experiment um by this guy named Nick Norwitz, uh, who's a uh PhD and MD at Harvard, and he uh um he he did this experiment where he's if he goes on a low-carb diet and eats only fat, his LDL goes way up, like over 300.
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And then what he did was he ate 12 Oreo creaks a day for for uh I think it was 16 days or something like that, or six weeks is what it was, and his LDL plummeted.
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Uh and he could do it on a daily basis.
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It went down over 200 points.
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Uh and then he went off the Oreos and back on his low carb diet, his LDL went back up and took a statin drug for six weeks, took 20 milligrams of a totostatin, I think it was, or substatin.
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And um, and uh his LDL came down, but the Oreos worked twice as good as the statin did.
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Um because this is about metabolism, right?
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We're talking we're we're measuring what the body's metabolizing at the time, and what your LDL was at that time, that snapshot at the time when you took the test is what it was then.
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It probably hasn't been that since, and it's changing all the time, day in and day out, uh, depending on what we do.
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So these numbers are um always changing.
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So there's no way we can get an accurate depiction of what it is by taking one snapshot at a time, and it's just a reflection of metabolism.
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So, yeah, there's a really interesting documentary now called the Cholesterol Code that I recommend everybody go watch.
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It's a friend of mine, Dave Feldman's documentary.
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Uh Nick Norwitz is in it.
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So I recommend that to everybody.
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That's awesome, man.
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No, and I I actually yesterday I was interviewing somebody and they were talking about cholesterol, and I said everyone needs to realize that cholesterol is not the enemy here.
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Like as much as it's been portrayed, I guess.
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So I love that.
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Uh, do you know where people can what platforms that people can find that on?
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Is that it's on Amazon.
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The cholesterol code.
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Okay, cool.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Cholesterol Code.
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Or Nick Norwitz on it, and the cholesterol code movie.
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Um, yeah, it should be on Amazon.
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Awesome.
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I recommend that.
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Awesome.
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Yeah.
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Well, what what we do, what we do, I'm I'm not, I know that you talked to our producer a little bit, but so we have a health supplement called Cardiomiracle that we've got over 58 whole and organic fruits and vegetables in there.
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And what happened in 1998 when nitric oxide was discovered and won the Nobel Prize in Medicine is that the research was completely buried.
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And because it was actually helping people and and getting people to stop going in for triple bypasses and and stuff like that.
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And so that's how the research can get buried and how concerning it is for everybody.
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So um I love that you were able to do all of this naturally, you know, without medication and all that.
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So what what was your your process when you started doing all of this um without without the assistance of medication?
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Yeah, so nitric oxide is is a molecule that suggests there's health of the lining of the artery, right?
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That these these endothelial cells are functioning properly because one of their main jobs is to secrete um nitric oxide um and be healthy into the artery wall and everything.
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So um, so yeah, uh having adequate amounts of nitric oxide or having something that would help produce that um is very useful.
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In reality, if you're giving your body something or you're exposing it to some external thing and it's resulting in an increase in nitric oxide, it's because it's done something to help the health of the lining of the artery.
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Um so yeah, a lot of what I did was was those things, um, even though I didn't have much plaque, you know, in there um aside from the one that was created in my leg by the procedure that they did, um, because they found that this 100% blockage in my LED, and it was an acute clot that happened super fast.
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Everywhere else in my arteries was clean.
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Um, and there was just this clot that formed.
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So there's many different ideas about that.
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And I've sure posted a lot on YouTube and things like that.
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But so the things like what so my LDL levels stayed the same.
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My diet stayed the same after the heart attack.
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My activity levels, as soon as I figured out that I could ride a bike, because because of the thing in my leg that developed, I couldn't, I couldn't walk faster the airport.
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I couldn't run definitely.
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I couldn't snowboard because I would get pain in my leg because it was restricted to blood flow.
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Um, but uh I wasn't able to ride a bike because it wasn't as active in the lower leg.
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It was more quads.
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So my exercise stayed the same.
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Um and the only thing I was aware of at the time, aside from why I didn't want to take those medications, was that there was a lot of research on infrared sauna use and uh preventing or preventing and treating heart failure.
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And so they had scared me in the hospital.
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They're like, oh, you have tissue damage to the septum of your heart, um, you're gonna develop heart failure, we need to prevent that.
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So I was worried about that.
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So I bought a sauna.
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Um, or first I used a friend of mine's in this basement, and then I bought my own.
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And so I was like, so I started thinking, like, well, why is infrared light so useful here?
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And so I just started studying light and researching and everything.
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And so the main things that I changed were I started prioritizing getting more sunlight, um, using an infrared sauna, uh, grounding, putting my feet directly on the earth, or using grounding sheets, grounding mats, things like that, setting my circadian rhythm, which means like sinking your body to the day-night cycle, being very conscious of the light you're exposed to uh before sunrise and after sunset, and getting more sunlight to tell your body it's daytime.
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And I took um four supplements.
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I took magnesium, I took uh taurine, uh, which is amino acid that's you know good for the health of the endothelia.
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Um I took um, what else did I take?
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Uh cereptase, an enzyme that's been noted to break down fibrotic clotting tissue, which is what plaque is.
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Uh, and I took a supplement called uh wabine or strophanthus, which is kind of a is an extract of a seed um from a wallana plant, but it's also something, it mimics something our body makes itself from the adrenal glands, and it increases parasympathetic climate to the heart, which is taking pressure off the heart.
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Um so I took those four things for about a year.
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Um, and then after that I stopped.
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So that was kind of my routine.
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Those are the things that I changed.
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Uh, and then the variables stayed the same, like I said, were the whole foods, like animal foods diet, pretty much, but whole foods, animal-based diet, um, the cholesterol levels, the uh exercise, all that stuff kind of stayed the same.
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And so whether or not this would have gone away on its own for whatever reason, I don't know.
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But I did these things that were different.
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Um, and then I found the mechanisms by which getting sunlight and for a sauna, settings or kitty rhythm, is incredibly healthy for the arteries.
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And I was like, oh, well, this probably played a role.
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Um so yeah, that was kind of my routine and what I did.
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I love it.
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I love that.
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And and I I always say consistency is king, right?
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I mean, I used to be a strongman competitor, so I I was almost 500 pounds, and I've lost uh 225 pounds uh over the past, you know, five years.
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And what I do is every morning I get out and I go for a walk, and I get the first sun rays of the sun that come up, you know, with the sunrise.
00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:18.880
And um I start every day with seven miles, man.
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It's it's been life-changing for me.
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Um and I'm I'm trying to help everybody with getting into a consistent routine that they can do, uh, like yourself.
00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:39.279
You're like, I I usually walk or run or snowboard, and you're like, and and biking was the best for me at the time um because of the lower extremities and whatnot.
00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:50.160
And so as now, as you go throughout your life with your speeches and everything, like what what is a habit that you suggest people do every day that with for a healthy heart?
00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:52.400
Yeah, I mean, I think sunlight is huge.
00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:58.480
Like it when you think about it, like I talk a lot about what's called structured water, which is a whole other conversation.
00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:01.759
We live on a water planet um charged by the sun.
00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:03.839
Yeah, and we are no different than that, right?
00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:06.799
We are we are always told, oh, we're 70, 80% water.
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And that's just by like uh content.
00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:11.920
But if you look at molecular volume, we're like 99% water.
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Yeah.
00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:16.640
Um, so and we are just mostly water and we're supposed to be charged by the sun.
00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:21.920
Water has very unique properties that it's actually um an energy storage form, right?
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So it's a it's kind of a battery.
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So when we get radiant energy to us, we store it in the form of energy um in structured water.
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And it's why like structured water is like a gel-like form of water.
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Um it's it's like it's not ice, it's not uh liquid water, it's kind of like this jello-like, or consistency of raw egg white kind of.
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Um, but it's why I feel like a gel, right?
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You poke me, I just bounce right back.
00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:48.799
Most of the water in our body is in this gel-like state.
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In order to stay in that state, it needs energy.
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And that energy, all energy for life on the earth comes from the sun.
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And so when you think about, like there's there's lots of research by Gerald Pollock and uh many other scientists that talk about this cell-free layer on the lining of the artery, this layer that the cells can't penetrate.
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Um, and that is a layer of structured water that's on the glycosell calids of the lining of the artery.
00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:13.920
Um, and that structured water protects the lining of the artery.
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It um it keeps blood moving so there's not stagnant blood that's more likely to clot.
00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:23.440
It keeps the blood thin from a biophysics perspective, so not like a biochemical blood thinner.
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This is a biophysics way of doing it, because it keeps all the red blood cells and lipoproteins and everything evenly spaced, but also kind of attracted together electrostatically so that they kind of move together like train cars, but not like clumped up, you know.
00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:43.599
Um, and that all happens if we get energy to water in our blood uh and in our bodies in general, and that energy comes from the sun.
00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:59.680
So the number one thing, like when I work with my clients now in my in my um uh coaching program, the first thing on the list uh when I take action is it more infrared light, because infrared is what charges um the inf the uh structured water uh the most, right?
00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:00.799
And it all makes sense, right?
00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:05.440
Because all life on this planet is outside in infrared light all day long, right?
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Anytime the sun is up, it is 40 to 50 percent infrared light.
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The blue light and the green light, those colors change throughout the day.
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It gets higher at noon and then it gets lower near sunset, but the infrared light stays constant.
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And so even if I'm sitting in the shade, the infrared is reflecting off of everything and hitting me.
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And humans, the average human today in the Western world spends about 93% of their times either inside or in an enclosed vehicle.
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We are devoiding ourselves from the stimulus that we once had.
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And it's that means that we're not able to build structured water as much.
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Um, and that means that we're leaving the arteries vulnerable to all the different toxins and things we're exposing ourselves to now.
00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:47.440
Um, you know, all the different heavy metals and plastics and all this stuff, right?
00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:50.559
Um, or wireless signals have been shown to break down structured water.
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So then leaving the arteries damaged, they get they get damaged.
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And then in the face of that damage, we can't we can't um repair it, right?
00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:06.559
Because we have this epidemic of type 2 diabetes, which interferes with growth and repair because insulin signaling is what's needed for that.
00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:17.200
And we have this epidemic of disrupted circadian rhythm, which is what you were talking about, getting that morning light and that kind of stuff and avoiding processed light or uh artificial light before sunrise and stuff like that.
00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:17.599
Right.
00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:21.759
Um, but this disruption of circadian rhythm has undermined our body's ability to heal.
00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.680
We're supposed to heal at night when we sleep.
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If we don't have enough melatonin because we expose ourselves to too much artificial light after sunset, then we're not healing.
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We're not getting in a deep healing sleep when we sleep.
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And that's kind of like, you know, you never took the trash out in your house.
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Yeah.
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You know, three nights of that, probably not a big deal.
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You do that over a lifetime, eventually you can't live in that house anymore.
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And if we're not cleaning house and repairing every single night while we sleep, that's eventually what happens.
00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:55.759
And so that's kind of the recipe for what leads to uh this this build up of plaque in the artery wall um that can, you know, predispose to heart attacks and things like that.
00:21:55.920 --> 00:22:04.400
Um I have different theories about that too, but um, but yeah, the the main Way we protect it is we get infrared light energy to the lining of the artery.
00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:07.359
And so infrared light is also a way that we can get nitric oxide.
00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:07.599
Why?
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Because it's protecting the endothelial cells, making them healthier so they can do the job, which is make nitric oxide.
00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:19.119
There's also a very specific mechanism by which nitric oxide prevents um heart attacks.
00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:23.680
People think, you know, it does dilates the blood vessels, which is something that it does, and that's good.
00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:30.960
But there's another very specific thing that it does that prevents a type of heart attack that modern medicine, I think, doesn't even acknowledge.
00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:33.200
But um, yeah, that's a whole other conversation.
00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:33.680
Yeah.
00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:53.359
Well, they have this new thing that I've I've actually been hearing from a lot of our customers that whenever they go in and they bring in our list of ingredients, and our question that we suggest is well, anything, any of these whole organic fruits or vegetables hurt me uh while, you know, taking this medication or whatnot.
00:22:53.519 --> 00:23:09.759
And there's this new thing in the hospitals, apparently, that you can get a nitric oxide treatment and it's like 250 bucks to even sit there and breathe, and they to claim it's creating nitric oxide while you're breathing this, whatever.
00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:18.960
And so it's just kind of silly that we we even tell people that nitric oxide is not an ingredient, you create it in your body, and it's a flash of cats.
00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:22.319
And so you are so knowledgeable.
00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:22.960
I love it.
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:39.839
And so as you went on your journey to start uh, you know, getting all this knowledge and whatnot, was it was it primarily due to the fact that you had that heart attack so young and you wanted to just kind of take your health into your own hands, or have you always been this way?
00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:41.359
Have you always been this smart?
00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:46.400
Yeah, I mean, I so like I said, I had those kind of health revelations when I was in college.
00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:54.559
Um, but even then, like as being diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at age nine, I've always been told by endocrinologists you have a much higher risk for heart disease.
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Um, so I've always kind of been aware of that and kind of trying to learn about it.
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But then yes, once I had this heart attack, obviously I dug in even further and I was like, okay, what did I miss?
00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:06.240
What else is there?
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Um, and then I got this result that that um that medicine told me I wouldn't be able to get.
00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:17.440
But yeah, I've always been a very curious person, especially about health, um, because uh that's where my life led me, right?
00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:20.960
Those health things I had as a kid put me on this path.
00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:24.480
And so yeah, I just had to dig even further and further.
00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:31.119
And some of the research that I found and some of the scientists that I found whose their life work just flies in the face of what cardiology does.
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:33.440
It doesn't mean that everything that cardiology does is wrong.
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:42.640
It just means that there's a lot of things that they haven't uncovered or they have they don't even talk about or they avoid because they have a system of doing things, and it's a very standardized system.
00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:51.119
It's very funded by, you know, pharma, yeah, uh pharma and medical device companies and hospital systems and insurance companies, like it all drives that system.
00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:56.880
But that system is designed to be profitable, just like anything in a capitalist society, it's designed to be profitable, right?
00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:01.039
And unfortunately, that will that leaves the patients kind of out in the cold.
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:05.839
Like the patients are necessary to be in that system so that the system makes money on itself.
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:13.279
But if the system is not designed to actually find what the root cause of why we have a disease is, then the patients are left with poor results.
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:14.480
That's exactly what we're seeing.
00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:20.400
We have the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but we have some of the poorest health outcomes in the world.
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:26.160
We rank like, I think, 39th in health outcomes last time I looked of all the developed nations in the world.
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:29.440
Uh based on how much we spend in healthcare, that is, that doesn't match up, right?
00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:38.559
If I was, if I was running any sort of business and my results were dependent on that, and I rank 39th because I was spending that much money, I'm like, okay, there's a there's a gap here, something's going on.
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.680
But it doesn't really matter to that system because they're just making money.
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:44.559
Um and we're also dependent on that system for health.
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:50.160
So we really have to kind of take charge of our own, um, have agency over our own health, right?
00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:56.240
And that's it's hard to do because we're all trying to just work in the world and make money and and just kind of make our way.
00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:01.279
And now we have to kind of take a take a step back and be an educated consumer when it comes to something like health care.
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:06.240
Most people think that you can just kind of live your life, and if something happens, oh, medicine's there to save you.
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:09.359
And then most people find out very abruptly that that's not the case.
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:17.680
Like most people are told often that, oh, there's nothing we can do, or this is the best we can do, or we're doing treatments that are actually causing more harm than good.
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:21.119
Um, but I mean, Western medicine in an emergency, amazing.
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:27.119
They can save your life, they can do amazing things if you get in a car accident or whatever, have a heart attack, you know, they can do amazing things.
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:30.960
But from a chronic disease perspective and preventing it, there's no real effort in that.
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:36.240
And so we'd have to be educated consumers, and that's that's the drive that I had, I guess, to figure that out.
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:38.160
And then yeah, I don't know.
00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:44.720
I guess people tell me that I I have a way of explaining things that helps them understand it because these are complex things.
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:52.160
Um, and so I guess I just when I started figuring this out and I wrote this book, people started responding and saying they liked it.
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.359
So I started sharing more, and I was like, oh, the people need this.
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:58.319
Um, there's people that want the same thing that I did.
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:01.279
Um and so yeah, now I'm trying to share it as much as I can.
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:03.359
Um yeah.
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:04.480
It's incredible.
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:07.200
Uh, do you want to can we talk a little bit about your book more?
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:25.039
I mean, when I when I did this, I was talking about the blinders, like people that when they go through the program or they go through like college or whatnot, it's like they can only know what they know and they don't know what they don't know, and they have the blinders on to be conditioned to be taught whatever they they want them to know.
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:27.039
So, so yeah, tell us about your book.
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:28.720
I'd love to hear more about it.
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:34.720
Yeah, so just because you said that, I'll just kind of start off this by saying that it's very interesting to me.
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:36.880
I was talking about this with somebody the other day.
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:45.119
How, you know, in the old days, we used to go learn how to do something from the master, the person who's been doing it for 30 or 40 years, right?
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:47.839
The master blacksmith, the master whatever, right?
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:50.160
Um, we go learn it from them.
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:58.880
Now it's very interesting that in society there's so many things that you go get a degree for four years or something, and now you're the expert in that.
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.000
And like, that doesn't make sense to me, you know?
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:13.119
Um, and even then, let's say that you go get a degree in that and then you do it for 40 years, like you get a cardiologist who's been doing this for 40 years, that makes you an expert in the field of cardiology.
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:15.599
You know, you've been doing that, that's great.
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:22.079
But the field of cardiology and what it's doing now has resulted in heart disease still being the number one killer in the world.
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:23.680
Clearly, they haven't figured it out.
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:24.079
Yeah.
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:26.160
So we need to keep asking questions.
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:32.240
Because I I bring up all kinds of questions, and I'm not saying that everything that I say is right or that it's the absolute truth or whatever.
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:34.079
We all have to find our truth for ourselves.
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:41.119
Um, but we have to keep asking questions until we figure this out, until we figure out why heart disease is the leading cause of death in the world, by far.
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.759
You know, we need to keep our minds open and ask questions and not assume that we have it right.
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:46.960
Um, and that's what I do.
00:28:47.039 --> 00:29:03.279
So that's what I try to do in this book, is just information that I found that's a different approach, a different perspective, a different understanding of the history of heart disease, but also, you know, how there's research that shows that I mean, there's studies that show cholesterol is associated with higher rates of heart disease.
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.200
There's tons of studies that show that cholesterol is not associated with higher rates of heart disease.
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:09.359
So it's like, which ones do we believe?
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:22.880
And maybe, maybe research, even though it's informative and it's information, maybe it's not ever going to give us the complete answer because it's human, human design and human, um, uh human performed or whatever.
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.599
Uh so human conducted, so I should say.
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:28.079
So so yeah, it's just all that's very interesting.
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.799
So what I lay out in this book is just information, right?
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:35.119
I want people to understand that there's different information than what they're hearing from modern medicine.
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.880
And if they want different information, it's their job to choose what they do with it.
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:45.279
You know, so I have very alternative theories as to what causes atherosclerosis, alternative theories as to what causes heart attacks.
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:50.079
That's all based on, I mean, there's like 700, you know, research articles cited in my book.
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.720
So if you need that sort of validation, it's there, right?
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:53.359
Amazing.
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.680
But it we have to kind of open our minds and keep asking different questions.
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:08.000
So um I address everything about cholesterol, um, everything about um heart attacks uh and statin drugs and the newer drugs, PCSC9 inhibitors and all this stuff.
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:09.200
Like, what does all this mean?
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:10.480
How do we get this information?
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.200
You go to your doctor today and they just say, I want you to do this.
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:16.640
And there's very little information given that helps you make that decision.
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:16.960
Right.
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:17.279
Right?
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:20.559
Because whatever decision you make is the right one for you at that moment.
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:22.799
Um my job is just to tell you, give you more information.
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:24.160
And so that's what this whole book is about.
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:30.000
I joke with people like the book came out in 2022, but I could probably make it 50% longer now.
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:40.160
I have so much more that I could add to it, and there's so much more um more uh ideas and then ways of explaining things that I have now, which is why I coach people on this program.
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:45.279
But yeah, I tried to be as comprehensive as I could be at with the information I had at that time.
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:57.200
Um, but even like a history, more history of heart disease, and and like it's very fascinating like how these ideas of how the heart is a mechanical pressure propulsion pump came about, because there's really no evidence for that.
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:01.039
Um, and how it actually operates and what its actual role in the body is.
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:07.920
Um and then yeah, obviously the whole cholesterol stuff and the heart attack things, it's um I address blood pressure.
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:23.119
Um, yeah, it's it's very, very interesting when you start digging into all this and combined with information and and um and where it leads you and and and what I was able to kind of put down in kind of this narrative format that hopefully people can gain from, you know?
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:24.000
Heck yeah.
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:26.240
So on your website I'm seeing three books.
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:28.079
So which one are we referring to here?
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:33.759
Is it the the health evolution um or the pain sense or the heart?
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:35.440
Let's see, what is the heart one called?
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:37.039
The understanding the heart.
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:37.359
Yeah.
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:39.200
Is that is that the one you're talking about?
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.240
I like them all, obviously.
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:40.960
Yeah, no, obviously.
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:42.640
But understanding the heart, yeah.
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:47.200
Understanding the heart is the one that's yes, most specific to the heart.
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:49.680
Um, you know, broader concepts you may get.
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:54.640
So the pain sense book is the book I wrote in response to the opioid epidemic and everything.
00:31:54.799 --> 00:32:02.480
Um, and then health evolution was my first book in 2018 that just kind of gives people a big picture understanding of why we have chronic disease in the first place.
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:07.759
Um, and obviously understanding the heart was a response to my heart attack uh and what I gained from that.
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:11.440
And again, that's that's what I focus on mainly, is that's what I help people with.
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:13.039
So I have so much more I could add.
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:14.240
But um yeah.
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:15.200
It's amazing.
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:16.319
No, I love it, man.
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:41.519
And and the the biggest the the thing is is that I was watching a TED talk recently and they were saying it was interesting that it was saying that um about how, you know, 10 or 20 or even 30 years ago, I don't know, they said you wouldn't hear on a commercial that said, ask your doctor if this is right for you, you know, this like prescription or whatever.
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:54.880
And but now I fast forward to when my mother-in-law, she was just recently in this rehab clinic or whatnot, and the only commercials on TV were pharmaceutical commercials.
00:32:55.119 --> 00:33:03.279
And it's because I believe it's because they can afford to lose money because not many people are watching TV these days.
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:04.720
But it's just wild.
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:22.960
So as far as us, you know, now having so much knowledge, like the more knowledge that we most knowledge that we've ever had in the history of the of our lifetimes, it's like it it's not only helps us be more empowered, but also uh more people are more confused, I think, about which way to go.
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.400
And so, how do you help people like in your coaching pro?
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:32.640
Maybe we can talk about your coaching program a little bit and how you can help people make the best decision for themselves.
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:33.599
Absolutely.
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:38.319
Yeah, so the most common client I get is that yeah, there's all this information out there.
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And they're just like, well, this person says don't worry about my cholesterol.
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And this person says that this is the can kill me tomorrow, right?
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So it's like, what's the extremes?
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Like, where do I believe?
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And where that comes from is us not having a sound health philosophy for ourselves.
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Okay, right.
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So in my coaching program, my main job is to educate you, to give you that philosophy so that you can, when you see that information or you see this person says that, oh, do this and it'll prevent this or that, you'll have a sound philosophy to apply that to.
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So you can make that decision for yourself.
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Because my job is not to sell you a protocol or to tell you you have to do this, it's to educate you so that you have that information, you can make the decisions for yourself.
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And I tell people, whatever that decision is, whether you take the medication or not, whether you do this infrared son or not, is up to you.
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I want you to be empowered in making decisions, which is very different than the modern uh medical uh model, which is fear-based, right?
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It's, oh my gosh, look at this test.
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You have to take this drug or else you're gonna die tomorrow, or you have a much higher risk of heart disease.
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It's not that dramatic, but you know, it's it's that type of fear-based stuff, right?
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Um, because quite honestly, the doctor's in fear.
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The doctor has been told that if this patient doesn't take this drug, this medication, they've been convinced that this patient is gonna die sooner than so the fear is in related to the patient.
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What I want to do is I want to educate you on what the research really says, what um all the side effects of this drug are, what um, you know, what really causes heart disease, why do we have this epidemic of it within the modern world that we live in?
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Because 120 years ago there was not an epidemic of heart disease.
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So what changed?
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Why is it so different now?
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And teach you what that is so that you feel empowered and in control to make these decisions yourself.
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Um that's the big difference for me and what I want for people.
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And I'll be there to guide them through it, right?
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So it's a 12-week program where I bring them in and I teach them all this stuff.
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It takes some effort.
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You have to get in, you have to learn.
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You know, if you want, if you're expecting me to just tell you the answers and tell you to do this versus that, that's not gonna get you the results you want.
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You've got to know this yourself so that you are back in the driver's seat and you have agency over your health again.
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So that's kind of what I tried to create for that.
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Because I I was working with people just like one-on-one calls for a while.
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And I was just like, all right, here's what you gotta do.
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Like based on your situation, here's what you do, right?
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And they go do it.
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They'd always come back to me a few months later, or lots of them would and be like, Yeah, but I'm still worried about having a heart attack.
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How do I know?
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And I realized that in that hour I didn't have time to give them the deeper understanding of why the things I told them to do were gonna be helpful.
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So they were still living in fear about it.
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So I was like, okay, I have to do something better.
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So I built this coaching program where I bring them in and I coach them for a much longer time so that they get it themselves.
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Um and so I didn't realize I would be doing that.
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Um, but that's what happened over time, and now it's what I do.
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Sure, man.
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Evolution, right?
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It's evolution and and you're you're building on what has worked in the past, but then you're making it better and better, which I love because if you're a student of it knowledge is power, it truly is, it seems like with you, is you're so smart, and it's like it comes with the the territory of like your learning from yourself and from your people that have gone through your your stuff.
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And so, where can they find all this?
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What what is your what's your website?
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And can they find you on socials, I'm assuming, and everything?
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Yeah, my website is resourceyourhealth.com.
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Uh and there's a little tab up there that you says work with me as a client or something, um, or book working with your client, something like that.
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They can find it.
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Um, and that's how people can find me there.
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There's also I I very infrequently write a blog, and that's on there too.
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Uh links to my books and things are on there.
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Yes, I'm on social media, so I'm always posting on social media.
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Um, you know, just uh Dr.
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Stephen Hussey, DR Stephen Hussey, Stephen with a Ph.
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Um, and um Instagram is where I mostly post at Facebook.
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I also have a YouTube channel that I've started posting more videos on more recently um and various talks that I've given at conferences and things uh is on there too.
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So yeah, people can find me on social media and reach out there or go to my website and and book with me and we can see if it's a good fit and go from there.
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It's awesome, Doctor.
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Thank you so much for your time.
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Um if you could if you could leave us with a quick um little tagline or 90 second, whatever, like we would love to close out with that and um and then um just promote this as much as we can to get you know your name out there as much as we can do it and help our listeners to to understand their heart better, because that's what we're about.
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We're uh Cardi Miracle, our mission is to save the hearts of mankind, so it's a big one.
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So we this fits perfectly in what we're trying to do.
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So you got you got some final words for us?
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Sure.
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Um I'd say that so one of my favorite quotes is um is by S.
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Scott Fitzgerald, and he said that the the test of the first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in your mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.
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And so I like bringing that up because I I believe it.
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I think that you can uh we don't have the answers, right?
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We don't we may not know them.
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Again, you can have this cholesterol research that shows it causes heart disease, and you have this research that shows that it doesn't.
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So what do we believe?
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Well, we need a better philosophy.
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We're cannot gonna, the the research isn't gonna give us the answer there.
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Um, but I bring it up for people because people come to me all the time and they say, Well, I love my cardiologist.
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He's he can't be doing anything bad for me.
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And I encourage them to understand that just because he's a good person, well-meaning individual, um, treats you well, you have a good relationship with the person, doesn't mean that they couldn't also give you information that could be harmful with them because it's all they know.
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Right?
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Both of those things can be true.
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And and it doesn't mean that we have to get mad at them either or be angry about it in these conversations with them.
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Um we can bring it up nicely and say, what about this?
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And if they don't entertain it or whatever, and it's like, all right, well, you're a great person, you're helping me as much as you could.
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It's time for me to move on, time for me to get new information.
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And that's okay.
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We can do that in a way that's not hostile, right?
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Um, but just acknowledge that two things can be true at the same time.
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This person can be a good person and they can also give you harmful information um because they don't know any better.
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And that's not necessarily their fault that they were taught that way.
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It is their fault for not looking further or questioning, um, which brings me to the second point I want to make is that is that if your education didn't teach you to question your education, it wasn't an education, it was an indoctrination.
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Um, and so it's very, very important that we question everything.
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Um, and which leads me to another, I went full of quotes, but it's that I don't even know who said it.
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It's it's it's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
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Yeah.
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Um that's that's a big one too.
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So keep stay curious, uh, look for more information and find what's right for you and and don't stop.
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Man, I love it.
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Thank you so much.
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It's been such a pleasure.
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Um, it's been very enlightening to get to know you, and I can't wait to follow up with you and and and get some more knowledge and um you know get get as many people as we can to hop on your training program and your coaching program, and and we want to stay curious as a people.
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So thanks so much for your time, Dr.
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Steven.
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We appreciate you so much, and uh, we hope you have a wonderful day, but we'll be in touch.
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All right, welcome, welcome to the pulse beat episode today, sponsored by Cardio Miracle.
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We are so excited to have Stephen Dr.
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Hussey with us.
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At just 34 years old, Dr.
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Stephen suffered a heart attack that changed the course of his life.
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Instead of relying solely on conventional treatments, he set out to understand the true causes of heart disease, ultimately reversing plaque and restoring his heart health without medication.
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Today he's a chiropractor, functional medicine practitioner, best-selling author and speaker who challenges traditional beliefs about cardiovascular health.
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In this episode, Dr.
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Hussey shares his remarkable journey, the science behind heart disease, and practical ways to build a healthier heart naturally.
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We are so excited and honored to have him with us.
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Dr.
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Steven, how are you doing today?
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I'm doing great.
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How are you?
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Awesome, awesome, awesome.
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Thank you very much.
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Yeah, we're we're so excited to talk to you about this.
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So uh, you know, I don't know if you want to jump right into man, having a heart attack at 34, that's gotta be a shocker.
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But was there like what what led up to that?
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Did did you have any warning signs before that?
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It's kind of a loaded question.
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Sure.
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Yeah, no warning signs uh before it.
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Um matter of fact, all my testing looked absolutely perfect according to cardiology.
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Like, so I had a what's called a CAC score done about six months prior to the heart attack, uh, measurement of how much calcified plaque there is in my heart.
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Um, and it was zero, perfect score.
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Um, I had good metabolic health numbers, you know, good lipid numbers.
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We can talk all about lipids.
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I don't I don't think that they're really that relevant, but um, low inflammatory numbers, all kinds of good things.
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They would have told you, you know, aside from me being type 1 diabetic since I was nine, I looked great, right?
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Everything looked good on paper and still had a heart attack six months later.
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So, but yeah, like to give everybody kind of the full backstory is like I um as a kid, I had a lot of inflammatory conditions.
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I used to have like chronic hives break out all over my body.
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I had asthma, terrible allergies, uh, IBS, ill bow syndrome, um, types of things.
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And then in that, with that inflammation, I ended up with autoimmune type 1 diabetes diagnosed at age nine.
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And my parents and I just kind of relied on Western medicine to help us navigate these things.
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And it wasn't until college that I started to learn that I could change the way I live my life and have a direct impact on these conditions.
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And I got rid of most all of them, aside from the type 1 diabetes that was kind of the collateral damage that happened during that time.
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And so that kind of got me hooked on health.
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And so I pursued health in college, health and wellness major, uh, got went to chiropractic school after that, got my master's in human nutrition and functional medicine, and I've always lived a very healthy lifestyle.
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So, yes, it was a shock at 34 years old when um I had this heart attack.
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And so the thing was is that, you know, all my metabolic health was good.
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I always ate a whole foods diet, uh, always exercised regularly, very athletic, played all kinds of sports, um, and avoided toxins, maintained control of my type 1 diabetes, so all that stuff was all good for me, but it wasn't enough to prevent this.
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So it got me thinking much differently and looking very differently into other things.
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Um, because you know, um, after the heart attack, I decided not to take their medications.
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I was aware of a lot of the research on most of them.
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So aside from a blood thinner that I took for six months because they placed a stint, I took, I didn't take any of the medications.
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But what I did uh was I kind of developed my own heart health routine um over time as I kind of looked into it because I had all the you know healthy diet and exercise down pat.
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So I was like, what else was there?
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And I built this routine, and over the next um four months, I my heart completely recovered as far as function.
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Um I prevented heart failure, which they told me I wouldn't be able to do without medications.
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Um, because of the procedure that they did, I developed a 70 to 99% blockage of plaque in my leg because of the heart calf procedure they did.
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And they told me that I would never be able to reverse that, especially as a type 1 diabetic.
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But over a year and a half, I completely reversed it, um, doing things that I I have no idea if these things were the cause of why it reversed, but I did a bunch of different things and it's gone now.
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So, and then based on a angiogram I got about a year and a half ago, my heart arteries are free of plaque.
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Um, so after the heart attack.
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So, yeah, I got some results that modern medicine told me I wouldn't be able to do, uh, but I did something very different than what they do within the walls of Western medicine.
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So um, so yeah, that's kind of my story.
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And now I teach people about what I found along the way, what happened to me, what can we learn from it, and how can I help others who are unfortunately maybe going through the same thing or trying to prevent the same thing?
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Wow, man, that inspiring.
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That is that is huge.
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And so, like, I guess another big, you know, open questions, kind of a loaded question, is is what would you say would be one of the biggest myths out there that you were constantly told about heart health and uh and about this whole thing that you went through?
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Um well, I mean, the most common one that people hear, I would say, is that heart disease is driven by cholesterol levels in your blood.
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Um, I think for me, there's an even bigger one that um, and that is that that heart disease and heart attacks can be largely prevented by diet changes alone.
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I think diet is incredibly important and it's an it's an important aspect of any healthy lifestyle.
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But again, I've always eaten a whole foods diet, and this happened to me.
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Um but we'll address the cholesterol thing first because it's the it's the most popular one, it's the one that everybody has questions about.
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Wolf in the room, right?
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Yeah, definitely.
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Um But you know, in my book, I kind of tell this this story of how this cholesterol theory came about.
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And it turns out there was never any sound evidence for it in the first place.
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Um matter of fact, the um the original you know study or two studies that came out from Ansel Keys were basically associational studies that just looked at the amount of saturated fat, cholesterol in people's diets in six or seven different countries, and they just compared that what the what the association was with um the amount of cholesterol or the amount of uh heart disease that people had in those countries.
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So associational studies have many flaws.
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Um they can't prove causation, they can just show that two things are happening at the same time.
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The biggest issue with what these studies did was that there was data from 22 countries available at the time.
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And Ansel Keys cherry picked the seven countries that gave him the correlation that he wanted.
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However, there were two scientists that repeated that study a few years later and used all the data available, all 22 countries' data, and found there was no association.
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Um, so but by that time, the theory had kind of taken off.
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You know, there's that picture of, you know, the sad bacon face on Time magazine and everything, like President Eisenhower had a heart attack when he was in Oval Office, and so um everybody was looking for an answer.
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And so when Ansel Keys gave us this answer, everybody just kind of jumped on it and went for it, right?
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Even though there was no evidence.
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Matter of fact, there was probably five or six different clinical trials where they removed saturated fat and cholesterol in people's diets and replaced it with unsaturated fat.
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And every single one of those studies shows that the more unsaturated fat people ate, the higher rates of heart disease they had.
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And the lower that people's cholesterol was, the higher rates of heart disease they had.
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But those all those studies were just kind of swept under the rug.
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Um, matter of fact, um, one of those studies, which was Ansel Keys, was the lead author on, um, or he was the lead scientist on, but his name was omitted from the paper.
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And they tracked down the lead author on the paper back in the early 2000s, and they asked them, why did why did you not publish this or why did you uh because they didn't publish it until 16 years later.
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Um and would say, Why did you publish it?
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Right?
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They were like, they said, Well, we didn't publish it because we didn't get the results we wanted.
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That's what they said.
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Wow.
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And so that's the nature of science in general, which is a whole other conversation.
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But, anyways, there's no real sound evidence to begin with that this cholesterol theory or that cholesterol is the driver of heart disease.
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Am I gonna say it's irrelevant?
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Uh I don't know.
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Um, it may be it may be play some role uh along the way in the development of heart disease, but there's so much nuance to this.
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I've discovered so much stuff.
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Um, but the other thing is that the main approach to preventing heart disease uh has been cholesterol or medications for the last, you know, since the 80s, right?
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Um however, heart disease has continued to be the number one killer in the world.
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Um heart disease deaths have come down a little bit, but that's because we have procedures that intervene when someone is having a heart attack that can save them.
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It's the reason I'm here today, right?
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So we're saving people from dying from heart disease.
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So heart disease death has gone down, but we've not really decreased the incidence altogether.
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Um and that uh is it's largely because we're chasing the wrong thing.
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We're barking up the wrong tree as far as cholesterol.
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It's way more convoluted.
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There's way many other changes that have happened over the last 120 years that's led to this epidemic that we have.
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And we've been, you know, I mean, there's studies that show if you take statin drugs, there's all these studies that will show that it's the relative risk is great, right?
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But relative risk is really clinically irrelevant.
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If you look at absolute risk, lower end cholesterol or statins is negligible.
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The effects, the benefits are negligible.
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Um, and they're they're way overblown because it's more marketing for the pharma companies than anything else.
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So um, yeah, there's so much more we can talk about cholesterol, all the ins and outs and everything.
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And what cholesterol actually means, what do you what does it actually mean when you measure that in your blood?
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It really just tells us about metabolism.
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It doesn't tell us about risk of anything.
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Um, there's interesting studies, like one-person experiments where people can manipulate what their LDL is.
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LDL cholesterol is um on a daily basis based on eating more fats versus more carbs.
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Um so if you eat more fats, then your body has you know a choice to burn one fuel source, and that is fatty acids.
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Those fatty acids are delivered via LDL molecules, so your body has to increase LDL molecules to deliver more fats if you restrict all carbohydrates.
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And if you eat carbohydrates, your body doesn't have to deliver as many fats, so it brings the LDL down and you can burn more carbohydrates.
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And there's a really interesting one person experiment um by this guy named Nick Norwitz, uh, who's a uh PhD and MD at Harvard, and he uh um he he did this experiment where he's if he goes on a low-carb diet and eats only fat, his LDL goes way up, like over 300.
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And then what he did was he ate 12 Oreo creaks a day for for uh I think it was 16 days or something like that, or six weeks is what it was, and his LDL plummeted.
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Uh and he could do it on a daily basis.
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It went down over 200 points.
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Uh and then he went off the Oreos and back on his low carb diet, his LDL went back up and took a statin drug for six weeks, took 20 milligrams of a totostatin, I think it was, or substatin.
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And um, and uh his LDL came down, but the Oreos worked twice as good as the statin did.
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Um because this is about metabolism, right?
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We're talking we're we're measuring what the body's metabolizing at the time, and what your LDL was at that time, that snapshot at the time when you took the test is what it was then.
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It probably hasn't been that since, and it's changing all the time, day in and day out, uh, depending on what we do.
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So these numbers are um always changing.
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So there's no way we can get an accurate depiction of what it is by taking one snapshot at a time, and it's just a reflection of metabolism.
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So, yeah, there's a really interesting documentary now called the Cholesterol Code that I recommend everybody go watch.
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It's a friend of mine, Dave Feldman's documentary.
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Uh Nick Norwitz is in it.
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So I recommend that to everybody.
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That's awesome, man.
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No, and I I actually yesterday I was interviewing somebody and they were talking about cholesterol, and I said everyone needs to realize that cholesterol is not the enemy here.
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Like as much as it's been portrayed, I guess.
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So I love that.
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Uh, do you know where people can what platforms that people can find that on?
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Is that it's on Amazon.
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The cholesterol code.
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Okay, cool.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Cholesterol Code.
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Or Nick Norwitz on it, and the cholesterol code movie.
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Um, yeah, it should be on Amazon.
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Awesome.
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I recommend that.
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Awesome.
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Yeah.
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Well, what what we do, what we do, I'm I'm not, I know that you talked to our producer a little bit, but so we have a health supplement called Cardiomiracle that we've got over 58 whole and organic fruits and vegetables in there.
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Uh, we help increase and sustain nitric oxide for 24 hours in your in your blood.
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And what happened in 1998 when nitric oxide was discovered and won the Nobel Prize in Medicine is that the research was completely buried.
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And because it was actually helping people and and getting people to stop going in for triple bypasses and and stuff like that.
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And so that's how the research can get buried and how concerning it is for everybody.
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So um I love that you were able to do all of this naturally, you know, without medication and all that.
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So what what was your your process when you started doing all of this um without without the assistance of medication?
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Yeah, so nitric oxide is is a molecule that suggests there's health of the lining of the artery, right?
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That these these endothelial cells are functioning properly because one of their main jobs is to secrete um nitric oxide um and be healthy into the artery wall and everything.
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So um, so yeah, uh having adequate amounts of nitric oxide or having something that would help produce that um is very useful.
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In reality, if you're giving your body something or you're exposing it to some external thing and it's resulting in an increase in nitric oxide, it's because it's done something to help the health of the lining of the artery.
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Um so yeah, a lot of what I did was was those things, um, even though I didn't have much plaque, you know, in there um aside from the one that was created in my leg by the procedure that they did, um, because they found that this 100% blockage in my LED, and it was an acute clot that happened super fast.
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Everywhere else in my arteries was clean.
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Um, and there was just this clot that formed.
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So there's many different ideas about that.
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And I've sure posted a lot on YouTube and things like that.
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But so the things like what so my LDL levels stayed the same.
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My diet stayed the same after the heart attack.
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My activity levels, as soon as I figured out that I could ride a bike, because because of the thing in my leg that developed, I couldn't, I couldn't walk faster the airport.
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I couldn't run definitely.
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I couldn't snowboard because I would get pain in my leg because it was restricted to blood flow.
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Um, but uh I wasn't able to ride a bike because it wasn't as active in the lower leg.
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It was more quads.
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So my exercise stayed the same.
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Um and the only thing I was aware of at the time, aside from why I didn't want to take those medications, was that there was a lot of research on infrared sauna use and uh preventing or preventing and treating heart failure.
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And so they had scared me in the hospital.
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They're like, oh, you have tissue damage to the septum of your heart, um, you're gonna develop heart failure, we need to prevent that.
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So I was worried about that.
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So I bought a sauna.
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Um, or first I used a friend of mine's in this basement, and then I bought my own.
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And so I was like, so I started thinking, like, well, why is infrared light so useful here?
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And so I just started studying light and researching and everything.
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And so the main things that I changed were I started prioritizing getting more sunlight, um, using an infrared sauna, uh, grounding, putting my feet directly on the earth, or using grounding sheets, grounding mats, things like that, setting my circadian rhythm, which means like sinking your body to the day-night cycle, being very conscious of the light you're exposed to uh before sunrise and after sunset, and getting more sunlight to tell your body it's daytime.
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And I took um four supplements.
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I took magnesium, I took uh taurine, uh, which is amino acid that's you know good for the health of the endothelia.
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Um I took um, what else did I take?
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Uh cereptase, an enzyme that's been noted to break down fibrotic clotting tissue, which is what plaque is.
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Uh, and I took a supplement called uh wabine or strophanthus, which is kind of a is an extract of a seed um from a wallana plant, but it's also something, it mimics something our body makes itself from the adrenal glands, and it increases parasympathetic climate to the heart, which is taking pressure off the heart.
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Um so I took those four things for about a year.
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Um, and then after that I stopped.
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So that was kind of my routine.
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Those are the things that I changed.
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Uh, and then the variables stayed the same, like I said, were the whole foods, like animal foods diet, pretty much, but whole foods, animal-based diet, um, the cholesterol levels, the uh exercise, all that stuff kind of stayed the same.
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And so whether or not this would have gone away on its own for whatever reason, I don't know.
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But I did these things that were different.
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Um, and then I found the mechanisms by which getting sunlight and for a sauna, settings or kitty rhythm, is incredibly healthy for the arteries.
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And I was like, oh, well, this probably played a role.
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Um so yeah, that was kind of my routine and what I did.
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I love it.
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I love that.
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And and I I always say consistency is king, right?
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I mean, I used to be a strongman competitor, so I I was almost 500 pounds, and I've lost uh 225 pounds uh over the past, you know, five years.
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And what I do is every morning I get out and I go for a walk, and I get the first sun rays of the sun that come up, you know, with the sunrise.
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And um I start every day with seven miles, man.
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It's it's been life-changing for me.
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Um and I'm I'm trying to help everybody with getting into a consistent routine that they can do, uh, like yourself.
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You're like, I I usually walk or run or snowboard, and you're like, and and biking was the best for me at the time um because of the lower extremities and whatnot.
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And so as now, as you go throughout your life with your speeches and everything, like what what is a habit that you suggest people do every day that with for a healthy heart?
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Yeah, I mean, I think sunlight is huge.
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Like it when you think about it, like I talk a lot about what's called structured water, which is a whole other conversation.
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We live on a water planet um charged by the sun.
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Yeah, and we are no different than that, right?
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We are we are always told, oh, we're 70, 80% water.
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And that's just by like uh content.
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But if you look at molecular volume, we're like 99% water.
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Yeah.
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Um, so and we are just mostly water and we're supposed to be charged by the sun.
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Water has very unique properties that it's actually um an energy storage form, right?
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So it's a it's kind of a battery.
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So when we get radiant energy to us, we store it in the form of energy um in structured water.
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And it's why like structured water is like a gel-like form of water.
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Um it's it's like it's not ice, it's not uh liquid water, it's kind of like this jello-like, or consistency of raw egg white kind of.
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Um, but it's why I feel like a gel, right?
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You poke me, I just bounce right back.
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Most of the water in our body is in this gel-like state.
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In order to stay in that state, it needs energy.
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And that energy, all energy for life on the earth comes from the sun.
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And so when you think about, like there's there's lots of research by Gerald Pollock and uh many other scientists that talk about this cell-free layer on the lining of the artery, this layer that the cells can't penetrate.
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Um, and that is a layer of structured water that's on the glycosell calids of the lining of the artery.
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Um, and that structured water protects the lining of the artery.
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It um it keeps blood moving so there's not stagnant blood that's more likely to clot.
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It keeps the blood thin from a biophysics perspective, so not like a biochemical blood thinner.
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This is a biophysics way of doing it, because it keeps all the red blood cells and lipoproteins and everything evenly spaced, but also kind of attracted together electrostatically so that they kind of move together like train cars, but not like clumped up, you know.
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Um, and that all happens if we get energy to water in our blood uh and in our bodies in general, and that energy comes from the sun.
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So the number one thing, like when I work with my clients now in my in my um uh coaching program, the first thing on the list uh when I take action is it more infrared light, because infrared is what charges um the inf the uh structured water uh the most, right?
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And it all makes sense, right?
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Because all life on this planet is outside in infrared light all day long, right?
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Anytime the sun is up, it is 40 to 50 percent infrared light.
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The blue light and the green light, those colors change throughout the day.
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It gets higher at noon and then it gets lower near sunset, but the infrared light stays constant.
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And so even if I'm sitting in the shade, the infrared is reflecting off of everything and hitting me.
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And humans, the average human today in the Western world spends about 93% of their times either inside or in an enclosed vehicle.
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We are devoiding ourselves from the stimulus that we once had.
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And it's that means that we're not able to build structured water as much.
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Um, and that means that we're leaving the arteries vulnerable to all the different toxins and things we're exposing ourselves to now.
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Um, you know, all the different heavy metals and plastics and all this stuff, right?
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Um, or wireless signals have been shown to break down structured water.
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So then leaving the arteries damaged, they get they get damaged.
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And then in the face of that damage, we can't we can't um repair it, right?
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Because we have this epidemic of type 2 diabetes, which interferes with growth and repair because insulin signaling is what's needed for that.
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And we have this epidemic of disrupted circadian rhythm, which is what you were talking about, getting that morning light and that kind of stuff and avoiding processed light or uh artificial light before sunrise and stuff like that.
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Right.
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Um, but this disruption of circadian rhythm has undermined our body's ability to heal.
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We're supposed to heal at night when we sleep.
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If we don't have enough melatonin because we expose ourselves to too much artificial light after sunset, then we're not healing.
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We're not getting in a deep healing sleep when we sleep.
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And that's kind of like, you know, you never took the trash out in your house.
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Yeah.
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You know, three nights of that, probably not a big deal.
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You do that over a lifetime, eventually you can't live in that house anymore.
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And if we're not cleaning house and repairing every single night while we sleep, that's eventually what happens.
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And so that's kind of the recipe for what leads to uh this this build up of plaque in the artery wall um that can, you know, predispose to heart attacks and things like that.
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Um I have different theories about that too, but um, but yeah, the the main Way we protect it is we get infrared light energy to the lining of the artery.
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And so infrared light is also a way that we can get nitric oxide.
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Why?
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Because it's protecting the endothelial cells, making them healthier so they can do the job, which is make nitric oxide.
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There's also a very specific mechanism by which nitric oxide prevents um heart attacks.
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People think, you know, it does dilates the blood vessels, which is something that it does, and that's good.
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But there's another very specific thing that it does that prevents a type of heart attack that modern medicine, I think, doesn't even acknowledge.
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But um, yeah, that's a whole other conversation.
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Yeah.
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Well, they have this new thing that I've I've actually been hearing from a lot of our customers that whenever they go in and they bring in our list of ingredients, and our question that we suggest is well, anything, any of these whole organic fruits or vegetables hurt me uh while, you know, taking this medication or whatnot.
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And there's this new thing in the hospitals, apparently, that you can get a nitric oxide treatment and it's like 250 bucks to even sit there and breathe, and they to claim it's creating nitric oxide while you're breathing this, whatever.
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And so it's just kind of silly that we we even tell people that nitric oxide is not an ingredient, you create it in your body, and it's a flash of cats.
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And so you are so knowledgeable.
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I love it.
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And so as you went on your journey to start uh, you know, getting all this knowledge and whatnot, was it was it primarily due to the fact that you had that heart attack so young and you wanted to just kind of take your health into your own hands, or have you always been this way?
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Have you always been this smart?
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Yeah, I mean, I so like I said, I had those kind of health revelations when I was in college.
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Um, but even then, like as being diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at age nine, I've always been told by endocrinologists you have a much higher risk for heart disease.
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Um, so I've always kind of been aware of that and kind of trying to learn about it.
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But then yes, once I had this heart attack, obviously I dug in even further and I was like, okay, what did I miss?
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What else is there?
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Um, and then I got this result that that um that medicine told me I wouldn't be able to get.
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But yeah, I've always been a very curious person, especially about health, um, because uh that's where my life led me, right?
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Those health things I had as a kid put me on this path.
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And so yeah, I just had to dig even further and further.
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And some of the research that I found and some of the scientists that I found whose their life work just flies in the face of what cardiology does.
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It doesn't mean that everything that cardiology does is wrong.
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It just means that there's a lot of things that they haven't uncovered or they have they don't even talk about or they avoid because they have a system of doing things, and it's a very standardized system.
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It's very funded by, you know, pharma, yeah, uh pharma and medical device companies and hospital systems and insurance companies, like it all drives that system.
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But that system is designed to be profitable, just like anything in a capitalist society, it's designed to be profitable, right?
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And unfortunately, that will that leaves the patients kind of out in the cold.
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Like the patients are necessary to be in that system so that the system makes money on itself.
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But if the system is not designed to actually find what the root cause of why we have a disease is, then the patients are left with poor results.
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That's exactly what we're seeing.
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We have the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but we have some of the poorest health outcomes in the world.
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We rank like, I think, 39th in health outcomes last time I looked of all the developed nations in the world.
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Uh based on how much we spend in healthcare, that is, that doesn't match up, right?
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If I was, if I was running any sort of business and my results were dependent on that, and I rank 39th because I was spending that much money, I'm like, okay, there's a there's a gap here, something's going on.
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But it doesn't really matter to that system because they're just making money.
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Um and we're also dependent on that system for health.
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So we really have to kind of take charge of our own, um, have agency over our own health, right?
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And that's it's hard to do because we're all trying to just work in the world and make money and and just kind of make our way.
00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:01.279
And now we have to kind of take a take a step back and be an educated consumer when it comes to something like health care.
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:06.240
Most people think that you can just kind of live your life, and if something happens, oh, medicine's there to save you.
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:09.359
And then most people find out very abruptly that that's not the case.
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:17.680
Like most people are told often that, oh, there's nothing we can do, or this is the best we can do, or we're doing treatments that are actually causing more harm than good.
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:21.119
Um, but I mean, Western medicine in an emergency, amazing.
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:27.119
They can save your life, they can do amazing things if you get in a car accident or whatever, have a heart attack, you know, they can do amazing things.
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:30.960
But from a chronic disease perspective and preventing it, there's no real effort in that.
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:36.240
And so we'd have to be educated consumers, and that's that's the drive that I had, I guess, to figure that out.
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:38.160
And then yeah, I don't know.
00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:44.720
I guess people tell me that I I have a way of explaining things that helps them understand it because these are complex things.
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:52.160
Um, and so I guess I just when I started figuring this out and I wrote this book, people started responding and saying they liked it.
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.359
So I started sharing more, and I was like, oh, the people need this.
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:58.319
Um, there's people that want the same thing that I did.
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:01.279
Um and so yeah, now I'm trying to share it as much as I can.
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:03.359
Um yeah.
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:04.480
It's incredible.
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:07.200
Uh, do you want to can we talk a little bit about your book more?
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:25.039
I mean, when I when I did this, I was talking about the blinders, like people that when they go through the program or they go through like college or whatnot, it's like they can only know what they know and they don't know what they don't know, and they have the blinders on to be conditioned to be taught whatever they they want them to know.
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:27.039
So, so yeah, tell us about your book.
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:28.720
I'd love to hear more about it.
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:34.720
Yeah, so just because you said that, I'll just kind of start off this by saying that it's very interesting to me.
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:36.880
I was talking about this with somebody the other day.
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:45.119
How, you know, in the old days, we used to go learn how to do something from the master, the person who's been doing it for 30 or 40 years, right?
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:47.839
The master blacksmith, the master whatever, right?
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:50.160
Um, we go learn it from them.
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:58.880
Now it's very interesting that in society there's so many things that you go get a degree for four years or something, and now you're the expert in that.
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.000
And like, that doesn't make sense to me, you know?
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:13.119
Um, and even then, let's say that you go get a degree in that and then you do it for 40 years, like you get a cardiologist who's been doing this for 40 years, that makes you an expert in the field of cardiology.
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:15.599
You know, you've been doing that, that's great.
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:22.079
But the field of cardiology and what it's doing now has resulted in heart disease still being the number one killer in the world.
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:23.680
Clearly, they haven't figured it out.
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:24.079
Yeah.
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:26.160
So we need to keep asking questions.
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:32.240
Because I I bring up all kinds of questions, and I'm not saying that everything that I say is right or that it's the absolute truth or whatever.
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:34.079
We all have to find our truth for ourselves.
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:41.119
Um, but we have to keep asking questions until we figure this out, until we figure out why heart disease is the leading cause of death in the world, by far.
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.759
You know, we need to keep our minds open and ask questions and not assume that we have it right.
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:46.960
Um, and that's what I do.
00:28:47.039 --> 00:29:03.279
So that's what I try to do in this book, is just information that I found that's a different approach, a different perspective, a different understanding of the history of heart disease, but also, you know, how there's research that shows that I mean, there's studies that show cholesterol is associated with higher rates of heart disease.
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.200
There's tons of studies that show that cholesterol is not associated with higher rates of heart disease.
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:09.359
So it's like, which ones do we believe?
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:22.880
And maybe, maybe research, even though it's informative and it's information, maybe it's not ever going to give us the complete answer because it's human, human design and human, um, uh human performed or whatever.
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.599
Uh so human conducted, so I should say.
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:28.079
So so yeah, it's just all that's very interesting.
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.799
So what I lay out in this book is just information, right?
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:35.119
I want people to understand that there's different information than what they're hearing from modern medicine.
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.880
And if they want different information, it's their job to choose what they do with it.
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:45.279
You know, so I have very alternative theories as to what causes atherosclerosis, alternative theories as to what causes heart attacks.
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:50.079
That's all based on, I mean, there's like 700, you know, research articles cited in my book.
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.720
So if you need that sort of validation, it's there, right?
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:53.359
Amazing.
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.680
But it we have to kind of open our minds and keep asking different questions.
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:08.000
So um I address everything about cholesterol, um, everything about um heart attacks uh and statin drugs and the newer drugs, PCSC9 inhibitors and all this stuff.
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:09.200
Like, what does all this mean?
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:10.480
How do we get this information?
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.200
You go to your doctor today and they just say, I want you to do this.
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:16.640
And there's very little information given that helps you make that decision.
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:16.960
Right.
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:17.279
Right?
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:20.559
Because whatever decision you make is the right one for you at that moment.
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:22.799
Um my job is just to tell you, give you more information.
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:24.160
And so that's what this whole book is about.
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:30.000
I joke with people like the book came out in 2022, but I could probably make it 50% longer now.
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:40.160
I have so much more that I could add to it, and there's so much more um more uh ideas and then ways of explaining things that I have now, which is why I coach people on this program.
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:45.279
But yeah, I tried to be as comprehensive as I could be at with the information I had at that time.
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:57.200
Um, but even like a history, more history of heart disease, and and like it's very fascinating like how these ideas of how the heart is a mechanical pressure propulsion pump came about, because there's really no evidence for that.
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:01.039
Um, and how it actually operates and what its actual role in the body is.
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:07.920
Um and then yeah, obviously the whole cholesterol stuff and the heart attack things, it's um I address blood pressure.
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:23.119
Um, yeah, it's it's very, very interesting when you start digging into all this and combined with information and and um and where it leads you and and and what I was able to kind of put down in kind of this narrative format that hopefully people can gain from, you know?
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:24.000
Heck yeah.
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:26.240
So on your website I'm seeing three books.
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:28.079
So which one are we referring to here?
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:33.759
Is it the the health evolution um or the pain sense or the heart?
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:35.440
Let's see, what is the heart one called?
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:37.039
The understanding the heart.
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:37.359
Yeah.
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:39.200
Is that is that the one you're talking about?
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.240
I like them all, obviously.
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:40.960
Yeah, no, obviously.
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:42.640
But understanding the heart, yeah.
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:47.200
Understanding the heart is the one that's yes, most specific to the heart.
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:49.680
Um, you know, broader concepts you may get.
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:54.640
So the pain sense book is the book I wrote in response to the opioid epidemic and everything.
00:31:54.799 --> 00:32:02.480
Um, and then health evolution was my first book in 2018 that just kind of gives people a big picture understanding of why we have chronic disease in the first place.
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:07.759
Um, and obviously understanding the heart was a response to my heart attack uh and what I gained from that.
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:11.440
And again, that's that's what I focus on mainly, is that's what I help people with.
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:13.039
So I have so much more I could add.
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:14.240
But um yeah.
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:15.200
It's amazing.
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:16.319
No, I love it, man.
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:41.519
And and the the biggest the the thing is is that I was watching a TED talk recently and they were saying it was interesting that it was saying that um about how, you know, 10 or 20 or even 30 years ago, I don't know, they said you wouldn't hear on a commercial that said, ask your doctor if this is right for you, you know, this like prescription or whatever.
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:54.880
And but now I fast forward to when my mother-in-law, she was just recently in this rehab clinic or whatnot, and the only commercials on TV were pharmaceutical commercials.
00:32:55.119 --> 00:33:03.279
And it's because I believe it's because they can afford to lose money because not many people are watching TV these days.
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:04.720
But it's just wild.
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:22.960
So as far as us, you know, now having so much knowledge, like the more knowledge that we most knowledge that we've ever had in the history of the of our lifetimes, it's like it it's not only helps us be more empowered, but also uh more people are more confused, I think, about which way to go.
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.400
And so, how do you help people like in your coaching pro?
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:32.640
Maybe we can talk about your coaching program a little bit and how you can help people make the best decision for themselves.
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:33.599
Absolutely.
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:38.319
Yeah, so the most common client I get is that yeah, there's all this information out there.
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:41.200
And they're just like, well, this person says don't worry about my cholesterol.
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.839
And this person says that this is the can kill me tomorrow, right?
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.359
So it's like, what's the extremes?
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:46.880
Like, where do I believe?
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:52.880
And where that comes from is us not having a sound health philosophy for ourselves.
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:53.839
Okay, right.
00:33:54.000 --> 00:34:07.519
So in my coaching program, my main job is to educate you, to give you that philosophy so that you can, when you see that information or you see this person says that, oh, do this and it'll prevent this or that, you'll have a sound philosophy to apply that to.
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:09.119
So you can make that decision for yourself.
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:17.760
Because my job is not to sell you a protocol or to tell you you have to do this, it's to educate you so that you have that information, you can make the decisions for yourself.
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:23.679
And I tell people, whatever that decision is, whether you take the medication or not, whether you do this infrared son or not, is up to you.
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:32.639
I want you to be empowered in making decisions, which is very different than the modern uh medical uh model, which is fear-based, right?
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:34.320
It's, oh my gosh, look at this test.
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:38.320
You have to take this drug or else you're gonna die tomorrow, or you have a much higher risk of heart disease.
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.079
It's not that dramatic, but you know, it's it's that type of fear-based stuff, right?
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:45.920
Um, because quite honestly, the doctor's in fear.
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:55.840
The doctor has been told that if this patient doesn't take this drug, this medication, they've been convinced that this patient is gonna die sooner than so the fear is in related to the patient.
00:34:56.079 --> 00:35:08.719
What I want to do is I want to educate you on what the research really says, what um all the side effects of this drug are, what um, you know, what really causes heart disease, why do we have this epidemic of it within the modern world that we live in?
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.679
Because 120 years ago there was not an epidemic of heart disease.
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:12.639
So what changed?
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:14.079
Why is it so different now?
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And teach you what that is so that you feel empowered and in control to make these decisions yourself.
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.159
Um that's the big difference for me and what I want for people.
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.159
And I'll be there to guide them through it, right?
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.840
So it's a 12-week program where I bring them in and I teach them all this stuff.
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:28.719
It takes some effort.
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:30.320
You have to get in, you have to learn.
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:36.559
You know, if you want, if you're expecting me to just tell you the answers and tell you to do this versus that, that's not gonna get you the results you want.
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:41.920
You've got to know this yourself so that you are back in the driver's seat and you have agency over your health again.
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:43.840
So that's kind of what I tried to create for that.
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.880
Because I I was working with people just like one-on-one calls for a while.
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:48.800
And I was just like, all right, here's what you gotta do.
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.199
Like based on your situation, here's what you do, right?
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.079
And they go do it.
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:56.960
They'd always come back to me a few months later, or lots of them would and be like, Yeah, but I'm still worried about having a heart attack.
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:57.679
How do I know?
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:03.599
And I realized that in that hour I didn't have time to give them the deeper understanding of why the things I told them to do were gonna be helpful.
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:05.599
So they were still living in fear about it.
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.760
So I was like, okay, I have to do something better.
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:13.440
So I built this coaching program where I bring them in and I coach them for a much longer time so that they get it themselves.
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:17.119
Um and so I didn't realize I would be doing that.
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:21.199
Um, but that's what happened over time, and now it's what I do.
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:22.000
Sure, man.
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:22.960
Evolution, right?
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:46.079
It's evolution and and you're you're building on what has worked in the past, but then you're making it better and better, which I love because if you're a student of it knowledge is power, it truly is, it seems like with you, is you're so smart, and it's like it comes with the the territory of like your learning from yourself and from your people that have gone through your your stuff.
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:47.840
And so, where can they find all this?
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.760
What what is your what's your website?
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.800
And can they find you on socials, I'm assuming, and everything?
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:56.719
Yeah, my website is resourceyourhealth.com.
00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:02.880
Uh and there's a little tab up there that you says work with me as a client or something, um, or book working with your client, something like that.
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:03.760
They can find it.
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:06.320
Um, and that's how people can find me there.
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.760
There's also I I very infrequently write a blog, and that's on there too.
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:11.920
Uh links to my books and things are on there.
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.199
Yes, I'm on social media, so I'm always posting on social media.
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:16.960
Um, you know, just uh Dr.
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:19.679
Stephen Hussey, DR Stephen Hussey, Stephen with a Ph.
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:24.159
Um, and um Instagram is where I mostly post at Facebook.
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:34.000
I also have a YouTube channel that I've started posting more videos on more recently um and various talks that I've given at conferences and things uh is on there too.
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:42.719
So yeah, people can find me on social media and reach out there or go to my website and and book with me and we can see if it's a good fit and go from there.
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:44.239
It's awesome, Doctor.
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:45.599
Thank you so much for your time.
00:37:45.760 --> 00:38:06.880
Um if you could if you could leave us with a quick um little tagline or 90 second, whatever, like we would love to close out with that and um and then um just promote this as much as we can to get you know your name out there as much as we can do it and help our listeners to to understand their heart better, because that's what we're about.
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:11.519
We're uh Cardi Miracle, our mission is to save the hearts of mankind, so it's a big one.
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:15.119
So we this fits perfectly in what we're trying to do.
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.679
So you got you got some final words for us?
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:18.639
Sure.
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:24.480
Um I'd say that so one of my favorite quotes is um is by S.
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:34.800
Scott Fitzgerald, and he said that the the test of the first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in your mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:39.519
And so I like bringing that up because I I believe it.
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:41.920
I think that you can uh we don't have the answers, right?
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:42.880
We don't we may not know them.
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:47.840
Again, you can have this cholesterol research that shows it causes heart disease, and you have this research that shows that it doesn't.
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:48.719
So what do we believe?
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:50.000
Well, we need a better philosophy.
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:52.880
We're cannot gonna, the the research isn't gonna give us the answer there.
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:58.639
Um, but I bring it up for people because people come to me all the time and they say, Well, I love my cardiologist.
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:00.960
He's he can't be doing anything bad for me.
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:14.000
And I encourage them to understand that just because he's a good person, well-meaning individual, um, treats you well, you have a good relationship with the person, doesn't mean that they couldn't also give you information that could be harmful with them because it's all they know.
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:14.320
Right?
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.400
Both of those things can be true.
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:22.320
And and it doesn't mean that we have to get mad at them either or be angry about it in these conversations with them.
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.719
Um we can bring it up nicely and say, what about this?
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:30.000
And if they don't entertain it or whatever, and it's like, all right, well, you're a great person, you're helping me as much as you could.
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.559
It's time for me to move on, time for me to get new information.
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:33.360
And that's okay.
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:37.039
We can do that in a way that's not hostile, right?
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:41.119
Um, but just acknowledge that two things can be true at the same time.
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:46.880
This person can be a good person and they can also give you harmful information um because they don't know any better.
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.159
And that's not necessarily their fault that they were taught that way.
00:39:50.239 --> 00:40:02.559
It is their fault for not looking further or questioning, um, which brings me to the second point I want to make is that is that if your education didn't teach you to question your education, it wasn't an education, it was an indoctrination.
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:06.639
Um, and so it's very, very important that we question everything.
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.320
Um, and which leads me to another, I went full of quotes, but it's that I don't even know who said it.
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:16.639
It's it's it's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:17.119
Yeah.
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:19.199
Um that's that's a big one too.
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:25.519
So keep stay curious, uh, look for more information and find what's right for you and and don't stop.
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:26.880
Man, I love it.
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:27.599
Thank you so much.
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:29.119
It's been such a pleasure.
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:45.280
Um, it's been very enlightening to get to know you, and I can't wait to follow up with you and and and get some more knowledge and um you know get get as many people as we can to hop on your training program and your coaching program, and and we want to stay curious as a people.
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:47.360
So thanks so much for your time, Dr.
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:47.840
Steven.
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:53.199
We appreciate you so much, and uh, we hope you have a wonderful day, but we'll be in touch.
