Diamonds & Hash: Cannabis Concentrates with The Bubbleman & Diamonds by Douglas

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Also, one thing I wanted to ask you, is it Marcus, do you prefer Marcus or Mark?

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Marcus, okay.

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Thanks for joining us today, Marcus, on the podcast.

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Let's just start off with a little hi, I'm Marcus and this is what I do.

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Take it away.

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Sure, yeah.

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Hey, I'm Marcus Richardson, aka The Bubble Man, and I've been involved in cannabis,
cannabis activism, hash making, and the promotion of all things cannabis for pretty much

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the last 35 years of my life, and I don't see it stopping anytime soon.

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I can relate to that buddy.

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Yup.

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Today, so the focus of our discussion is concentrates.

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So we wanted to talk to obviously someone like yourself who's all about the hash.

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So let's start off with, do you remember the first time you fell in love with hash?

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Well, you know, I thought about that question and because it has been asked to me before
in the past and I think because of the way it's worded, you know, the first time I smoked

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hash and the first time I fell in love with hash were definitely two different times.

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And I would say the first time I fell in love with hash would have been later than some
may think, probably around 98.

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or 99.

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I might've even had a taste of it in 95, but it was, I didn't know what I had seen.

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So I wasn't able to quite have that relationship with it quite yet.

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But I had been smoking so much cannabis in the, in the mid to late nineties, just monster
joints, three, four gram joints, you know, 10 of them a day, just burning constantly.

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Felt bad for my wife.

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She was literally living in a cloud of smoke.

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And when I got turned on to water hash and made water hash and took the first little puff
in a pipe of that.

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I had blown through this ceiling that I had been sort of pushed up against for maybe the
last several years.

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I can see why people might eventually grow weary of using cannabis a lot if they smoked it
the way I smoked it for so long.

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Cause it was just like, I don't know what I was trying to prove.

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I was just smoking and smoking and smoking and smoking.

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And so when I first hit that little dab of bubble and got as high as I did, like just blew
through the ceiling.

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And then later I would learn that each time I hit more, I would go up and up and up.

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And there was no ceiling.

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It was a ceiling-less high, which was something that I was keen on because I really liked
to be high.

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That's probably why I was smoking so much.

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Also, cannabis was pretty much free at that point in time because I was brokering and
selling it.

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And it was very easy to just get like lots of free cannabis.

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So that would be 98, 99 when I really first.

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you know, kind of was like, wow, this is something different.

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And also I would add the best part about it would also turn out to be that there was no
smoke, that I could vaporize it and that like no one else had to live in a cloud of smoke

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because I wanted to get high.

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Nice.

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And by, you know, using the term ceiling, you're, you're obviously referring to, know,
your, the tolerance that you had for cannabis and how using the bubble hash, abled you to

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like, you know, push that tolerance even higher and, and feel the effects even, even more.

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Yeah, I've never tapped it out with bubble.

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Like I've never found the spot where I was like, I'm not getting higher anymore.

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It was always, I know.

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a few dab hits where it's just like, is this actually happening right now?

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Like, you know, a couple of years ago at the, the four 20 days down at English Bay there.

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I had a, bong, display for my Ross Gold stuff.

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And I did a dab at one of these vendors and he lined me up with a big one and I was ready
for it too.

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I was looking forward to it.

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And holy for the next two hours, I thought I needed to like swim out to the buoy and

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decompress, get away from the thousands of people.

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But yeah, sorry for that interlude.

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I just had to like, there is no ceiling when it comes to, you know, solventless hash and,
and the live rosin and all that stuff.

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It's, it's, it's nice to manage it though.

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It's a great way to like, you know, get where you need to get.

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Can I interrupt for one second?

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hearing, I don't know if it's someone's mic or table that's making kind of a thumping
noise or someone like maybe touching their mic while they're talking.

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I don't know.

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I don't hear it right now, but I was hearing it for a second there.

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feel like I'm solid.

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Okay, okay, all good.

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Thank you.

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on the table and not being touched and then...

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Okay.

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All right, good.

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Continue, please.

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Yeah, no, I was just saying like to, to, you know, find that, that perfect, you know,
state, you know, by using bubble hash, uh, you can get there and it takes some time.

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It takes some practice, you know, you have to, you know, get good at it, but, uh, yeah,
it's definitely the way to go.

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It's also nice, what took me a long time to learn is that if you really want to benefit,
like if I saw such a reduction in smoke around my being, imagine someone that is gonna

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smoke 1 50th or dab 1 50th of what I'm gonna dab because you can give out micro dabs to
people who barely smoke cannabis.

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I would kind of give a little PSA warning, like if you're turning someone on to
solventless,

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Please give them way less than you think they need and then give them even less than that
because you can always give them many small dabs, but you can never take back even half of

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one big dab.

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It just makes me laugh because I've been there multiple times and as screwed as it is when
you're there, know, you're like, this is the last time I'm going to do this much.

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It keeps you coming back though.

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Like it, it does take practice.

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so we applaud you for forging the way.

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what that is, is your reaction to intensity.

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And if you can, because that's what it is, the majority of people, they'll take the dab,
they'll be like, whoa, I'm super stoned.

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And then they'll react to that thought in an instant.

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And that's when their heart gets starts beating fast.

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That's when they kind of want to move.

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You know, they just, they do that what's natural, which is kind of like to run out of your
skin, like a fight or flight kind of feeling.

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But in reality, if you can train your mind to, in a much calmer way, experience that and
sit with that and don't try to run away from it and don't try to be afraid of it, it

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sounds strange, but there's a life lesson in that, in how you deal with all intensity that
comes upon you in your life.

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And the introspectiveness of cannabis, especially when you're dabbing live rosin and other
extracts like that, you know, it is intense and I tend to always be in a public situation

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whenever I'm doing big dab hits.

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And so that adds to the intensity and I've gotten good at it over the years, but
definitely finding a nice peaceful, you know, surrounding with, you know, familiar faces

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or even solo, you know, is.

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preferable in my books.

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That's just for me.

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you know, whenever I'm on the road, I always get like 10 times higher than when I'm at
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Everything just is intensified.

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that's the fun of weed, you know?

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It keeps you on your toes.

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Absolutely, yeah, there's levels to it, that's for sure.

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I remember my first time smoking hash and it was with BTs on the hot knives.

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Ooh, okay, thank God.

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Thank God you set off the hot knives.

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Where are you from, like east of Ontario?

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Well this would have been in, gosh, I don't know, I've been between BC and Ontario for
most of my life, so yeah.

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I can't remember where that was.

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It was probably in BC, but no.

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In Ontario, you were far away from Manitoba, closer to Quebec.

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Yes.

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Because the Quebec Quas, do BTs off of cigarettes, and the Manitobans, Saskatchewans,
Albertans, they do BTs off of hot knives.

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Okay, I think the hot knives was in BC now that I think of it.

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But yeah.

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knife burn on my lip, you know, back in the 80s.

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But yeah, so that's completely different than like bubble hash, correct?

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It is, but I will say it's probably for me the most intense hit I'd ever had up until I
smoked Bubble Hash, which was just like a tap tap.

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We didn't mess around with like bottles and ice and cooling.

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We just like went right to the, I just can't even believe that we were doing that.

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Red hot knives dude, 1100 degree dabs.

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hot.

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Marcus, just before we dive into some more questions, I have one just to clarify for our
listeners, the difference between a black hash and bubble hash.

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Cause I think back in the day, was mostly black hash, know, Afghan, you know, stuff from
the middle East that was getting over, you know, here and,

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And then bubble.

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So like, could you just run through the difference between black hash and, and bubble
hash.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So those are traditional hash methods.

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Those are generally single screen.

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So what I would call farmers grade hash.

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If you've ever seen the Moroccans like beating it with the sticks, you realize like, ooh,
like that is going to be contaminated up the yin yang, which is why Moroccan hash was

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probably around, you know, maybe 20 to 30 % THCA instead of like 70 to 80.

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Double doesn't sound like much, but it is substantial.

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Double in the world of extraction and purity is exponential and the graph goes like very
much upward at a 90 degree angle.

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so traditional hash is a single sieve.

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Depending on where you are, it can also be a hand rub, but we'll talk about, you know,
black hash, which is basically like, you know, brick hash, Afghan hash.

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This,

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this style of hash right here with the gold seal and the big thick, creamy goodness.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's a pretty big one.

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So that stuff is made very traditionally.

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They go through a bunch of processes to make it, which is very unique and very unlike what
we do at all.

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Once they get this single, you know, the seed, there's a whole variety of ways in
Afghanistan they use these,

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machines that are just like hammering the hash in a sort of concrete bowl where the things
just coming down over and over and the hash is spilling out and then the guy's just really

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quickly flipping it back in.

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There's YouTube videos that you can watch of this.

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There's a whole series of processes, some involving heat.

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Very different from what we're doing.

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What we're doing is we're isolating just the glandular trichome head.

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So we kind of figured out through science that the glandular trichome head is where the
medicinal components, i.e.

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the cannabinoids and the aromatic volatile compounds like the terpenes and thiols and
thiolates and esters and all of those wonderful things.

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So...

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We just figured out ways to isolate them in a way that had really never been done before
to the purity that we were doing them to, which was 99.9999 % if you were doing it right.

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Pure heads, that's all you see.

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Maybe I can even show you guys real quick, because it's always one thing to say pure
heads, but when you show what it is, and I literally just took like a thousand pictures in

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Barcelona.

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When you show what it is,

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It's so damn beautiful that you're just like, what the heck is that?

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That's purity.

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And if you were lucky enough to practice or to execute purity on someone who produced
quality, well, then you're in for a real treat.

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and like the exact right maturity level too, right, of the trichome head.

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I mean, yes and no.

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That is very subjective of what that would be.

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For some, it would be earlier.

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For some, it might be later.

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For some, could be in the middle.

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There's so many of us.

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We all have so many different opinions that, there'd probably generally be a sweet spot.

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If you did enough people, 100 people, and asked them all, you might find one that was more
popular, but I couldn't tell you where.

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For me, all that matters is that it's expressed itself to the maximum of its genetic
capabilities.

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that everything's been expressed to as close to 100 % as possible.

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And when people ask me, what's your favorite cultivar?

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I always say the one that was grown and expressed perfectly.

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That's my favorite.

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Now I know from using your, your bags, Marcus, you know, there's the different levels of,
you know, there's different screens that they get smaller and smaller and you're isolating

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the heads, as you know, the purity goes up with the smaller and smaller screen.

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What, what's the, what's your view on take down and when you would want it.

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You know, the, continues to ripen after you take down the plant, the live plant.

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And you know, when you do a live rosin or a bubble hash, you know, we it's fresh frozen,
frozen a lot of times and you're kind of like, you know, taking a freeze frame of it in

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time, and then you take it out of the freezer and you run it through the ice water and you
get your, is there a amount of like, what's the color that you're looking for in the

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trichomes on the live plant before you take it down?

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if you're gonna be doing ice water extraction.

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Well, that's a good question.

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It's a very loaded question because...

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First of all, you'd have to be single source in the sense that you'd have to be growing
all your own flower and able to control when you would kind of wanted it to be taken down.

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For me, I'm really mostly, I've grown many cannabis plants, but I think of myself as a
hash maker and a processor.

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And then in that sense, just like I have full faith and trust in my partner, in my
marriage, I do the same thing with the grower.

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I have faith in you.

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You're going to do the best that you can when you give it, when you pass the baton over to
me, I'm going to run it home the best that I can.

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So the color is, if you ask anyone that's in the commercial market and you ask them,
what's the best color that you want those heads to look, the majority of them are going to

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say, well, it's not my personal opinion, what I would want.

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But what the market wants is they want premature

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as light of a color as possible.

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And that's why they also want, and that's why it's such a difficult, it's so difficult to
get like products like Full Melt Bubble Hash to market because they're so volatile.

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There's no cold supply chain and they butter out and they change enough that it freaks an
immature market out, even though they're still going to be as potent and as melty.

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They just,

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It's a very difficult product to get to market, less so in the US where it seems to be
thriving.

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But yeah, for me, I would like to allow the plant to go.

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Generally, if I had enough time with each plant, I would try a little bit early, try a
little bit in the middle, try a little bit later.

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The ones that I found were my more favorites, I would lean into those and go back and
forth from that point.

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you know, even further and maybe a little more back.

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That's a lot of time and energy and work.

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But when you have a lot of labs, those are the kind of fun jobs that you can kind of do to
sift through the data and find, keep in mind, that's also subjective to what I would like.

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The majority of the market is different than if you have an expert, you know, master
grower or a master processor,

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that person's gonna be the anomaly and the things that they like the most will probably
not be the things that the mass of population like the most.

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And that's what I've been having a very hard time wrapping my head around.

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Let me have a quick sip of water.

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No, that's an interesting Marcus, because that's the sort of thing.

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We did a round of outdoor last year for ice water extraction.

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We had a hundred plants and, you know, we didn't have as much flexibility as we wanted.

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We did have some, but there was a lot of talk about when to take it down.

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You know, what color we wanted our end product to be for the commercial market.

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Like what are the masses, you know, as a business, you know, a lot of times we cater to,
you know, what's popular and what's selling.

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And, we ended up letting it go a little bit longer instead of, doing a premature harvest.

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And, obviously the flavor changes one way or the other, the earlier you take it down, the
later you take it down.

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You have a different turf profile and you, know, different flavor and smoothness has a lot
to do with it.

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But what's your favorite grade as far as, you know, you have the multiple bags that sift
out the trichomes based on, on, you know, their maturity and size and so forth.

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What's your favorite grade?

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My favorite micron was really from the beginning, the 73.

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And if you look at my bags, they're 220 and they go, these are all microns, 220 to 190,
190 to 160.

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160 can be good, 190 is generally contaminant, still probably 50 plus percent THC, That
goes into 160, then 120, then 90, then 73, 45 and 25.

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And if you look at all those numbers, look 73, that's an odd year.

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I wonder why he did an off number like that instead of 75 or 70.

219
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And so that was the year I was born.

220
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And that's, that was always my favorite micron because it was just so bomb.

221
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But then years later, as I added the last eighth bag to the kit, which was the 90 micron,
and it took all of this deliciousness that used to fall into the 73 so much so.

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that there was a group of dudes in California that were like refused to use the 90 micron
bag and they called their 73 the real 73.

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Because people in California would be like, oh, yo, dude, I got some 73 micron.

224
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And they'd be like, is it that real 73 micron or did you scoop that 90 out of there before
it dropped?

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So the 90, when it was added, it's really a tie between the 90 and 73.

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Although what I could say is my favorite micron

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is the real 73.

228
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Interesting.

229
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Yeah, well, I'm going to sign up for the 73.

230
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Give it a go.

231
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Can't wait.

232
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One question I had, because you were talking about how it's such a subjective experience
and what you prefer.

233
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It's actually funny that you mentioned the color because you're generally saying that the
public views darker color as not as good.

234
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Is that the kind of...

235
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It depends on the public.

236
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So the public that loved that black hash, no, they love the darker hash.

237
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The sort of younger generation of hash makers.

238
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And I think maybe because it was just such a novelty, the first time you pulled hash out
that was, and you know, maybe freeze dried it and didn't air dry it and it just maintained

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this like super light, light color.

240
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It was kind of neat.

241
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I don't understand what the psychology of it is, but it's definitely real.

242
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The lighter the rosin, the lighter the hash, people seem to be stoked on it.

243
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I personally love like a nice texture to my hash.

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I don't mind ambers and colors and whatnot, but I do have to admit the majority of these
very light colored hashes, because they are like Ross mentioned, I believe, taking a

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snapshot out of time, they preserve an enormous amount of like volatile compounds that we
never used to

246
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use or inhale.

247
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They were always dried off, but we're like flash freezing these things off the plant.

248
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Then we're running them into cold ice water and then we're lyophilizing them in a freeze
dryer and then we're cold chaining it.

249
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Like I literally have a small makeup fridge sitting next to my computer here with my dams
because they need to be 30 degrees Fahrenheit.

250
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ha.

251
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Love it.

252
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That's how much they change.

253
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I also wanted to ask if you can you remember the best experience you ever had or the most
like the tastiest dab you ever had?

254
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Where was it?

255
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What was it?

256
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And like, do you remember anything about it?

257
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Oh, I remember everything about it, in fact, because I would say the best experience I've
ever had smoking hash was when I was finally, and I can't really remember the timeline,

258
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but I'll give you a brief sort of history.

259
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In 94, I was at a hemp symposium in Vancouver, and I saw this gentleman by the name of
David Watson speak on hemp, and people were whispering about him, and he was very elusive,

260
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and he was very sort of,

261
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unattainable.

262
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He was very much the tenured professor that you would be lucky to be able to talk to him
back then.

263
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He was just moving at an accelerated rate in the world of cannabis and really didn't have
time for anything other than forward motion always.

264
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And so by 99, I would start the bubble bag company and I would use this little motto that
was if it don't bubble, it ain't worth the trouble.

265
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And that's because real six-star bubble hash, when you light it with a flame or a
vaporizer, it would boil and bubble these big, beautiful clear domes.

266
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And so that was something I had heard from Robert Connell Clark, the author of Marijuana
Botany and the book Hashish, who I got to meet from 95 on, and he became a friend, I, you

267
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know, inspired by him, a mentor of sorts.

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And he had been...

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really best friends and working very closely with this David Watson, who I would get to
know as Sam the Skunk Man, who was the breeder of Skunk Number One, who had become a dear,

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dear friend and mentor to me for the last 25 years.

271
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And it's great to be able to tell this story because he passed away recently in California
on January 27th.

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he was a...

273
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big part of my life for the last 25 years.

274
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Super awesome, amazing man.

275
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And he shared so much knowledge when it comes to cannabis that we're better off for it,
that's for sure.

276
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So the first time he invited me to his house, now everyone knew Sam's hash was different.

277
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And of course it was different because Sam had some magical way of isolating pure resin
heads into just pure resin heads, nothing else.

278
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He didn't use water.

279
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Nobody knew what he was doing.

280
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He'd been doing it for 15 plus years by the time I met him.

281
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And I knew him for 25 after that.

282
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And so I went to his house and he was a very particular character, hard to describe, but
what he wanted to do was run me through the gauntlet and see.

283
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Because basically how he invited me to his house was when I used that motto, if it don't
bubble, it ain't worth the trouble, I got an email from skunkmansam at yahoo.com.

284
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And I was like, this is interesting.

285
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And the email just said, if it don't bubble, it ain't worth the trouble.

286
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Do you know who saying that is?

287
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And I knew who he was and I knew how particular he was.

288
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So I wrote him back and I just said, I know who you are.

289
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I heard it from Rob.

290
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I know it's yours.

291
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I'll stop using it.

292
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I'll pay you.

293
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I'll do whatever you want.

294
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Just tell me how you want me to proceed.

295
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And that was the right way to respond to him.

296
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we sort of created, he emailed back.

297
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No, that's fine.

298
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I just wanted to make sure you knew who said that.

299
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He was very much like that, you know?

300
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So I always gave him his credit and his credit was vast.

301
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It was an unbelievable amount of credit that you could give this man.

302
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So anyway, I ended up at his house.

303
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And of course, what he's trying to do is kill me because this guy smokes like nothing
you've ever seen.

304
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Like I'm telling you, he had to have smoked 60 plus bong rips in the few hours that I was
sitting with him.

305
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Like literally just every two minutes, the bong was in his mouth taking a giant bong rip.

306
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And I matched them.

307
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So his dry sift was skunk number one.

308
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It was, you know, his product, you know, grown in his greenhouse, bred by him.

309
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And it was the strongest shit I'd ever heard.

310
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And I remember Rob Clark's telling me years ago, said, I left David's house the other day.

311
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I was so fucking stoned.

312
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I was like, how stoned could you be?

313
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Like how stoned?

314
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He's like, maybe one day you'll see.

315
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Anyway, I left this guy's house that night and my left leg was literally not working.

316
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was having to like lift it to make it walk.

317
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I looked like I was like the hunchback of Notre Dame walking down his street late at night
in Amsterdam.

318
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And then I understood there was nothing like it.

319
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was psychedelic.

320
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It was so incredibly powerful.

321
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The first rip that I took got me so uncomfortably high.

322
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that after that I just thought, how much higher could I get?

323
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Even higher.

324
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Yeah, 49 times higher.

325
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Holy sh-

326
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learned there was no ceiling and how to be mindful about your...

327
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No, that's when I learned there are levels to this and I'm not at the top.

328
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That's what I learned.

329
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Humble pie.

330
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There's nothing like the steep staircases in Amsterdam and the cool little hangouts for
smoking, that's for sure.

331
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Yeah, while you're smoking David Watson's pure 99.999 % gland heads that are so potent and
ridiculous that after the first one, all I could think of was like,

332
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As long as I don't throw up, shit myself, piss myself, or pass out, I'm good.

333
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I'm fine.

334
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I should be fine.

335
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And then I was like, I could, I've never had it happen.

336
00:28:23,017 --> 00:28:30,421
And in fact, it's so funny because the next day at the Cannabis Cup, we were at my booth
at the Milk Veg, and this guy was letting us share my booth.

337
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He had these self-hemploid t-shirts, right?

338
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Self-employed, he wrote a little H in there with a sort of spray paint style.

339
00:28:39,278 --> 00:28:47,904
self-employed, and so this guy was a big puffer, hardcore smoker, and Dave was visiting me
and we were smoking some hash.

340
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Actually, we hadn't started smoking hash.

341
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He had taken a rip.

342
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The guy from self-employed said, that smells good.

343
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Dave just like filled him one up and passed it over to him.

344
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And this guy took a hit of this and passed out unconscious on the floor right in front of
us.

345
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And then got up like 10 seconds later, like it was a short one.

346
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really short, maybe shorter than 10 seconds.

347
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It was fine.

348
00:29:11,696 --> 00:29:16,422
And right away he goes, he points to me, he's like, I want you to give him one of those.

349
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And I want to see him fall or something.

350
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And Dave was like, yeah, he doesn't fall.

351
00:29:23,062 --> 00:29:27,845
man, that's happened to me a couple of times at least that I can remember.

352
00:29:28,596 --> 00:29:35,080
man, you get right before you totally pass out, you cannot believe how high you are.

353
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Like you start losing your sight, your hearing goes, you're just like reaching for
something solid.

354
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And then the next thing you know, you're trying to get up again.

355
00:29:44,006 --> 00:29:45,347
It's, yeah.

356
00:29:45,347 --> 00:29:47,138
A couple of times coming back from Europe.

357
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Cause was on the world cup tour and so I wouldn't smoke weed for weeks at a time.

358
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And then would come back to Whistler.

359
00:29:53,412 --> 00:29:55,796
And tolerance was gone.

360
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But I was used to smoking the gagger.

361
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And by the end of the gagger, I'd feel fine.

362
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But then 10 seconds later, I'm like, fuck, I forgot.

363
00:30:02,316 --> 00:30:05,149
It's a thing, tolerance.

364
00:30:06,312 --> 00:30:06,791
Yeah.

365
00:30:06,791 --> 00:30:09,121
I was up on Whistler Mountain yesterday.

366
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My son's been skiing on that mountain for maybe like eight years now.

367
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He's 10 years old now.

368
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And he's at the end of ski school now, at the end of level six or whatever it is going
into maps.

369
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And he's like, dad, I wanna try to snowboard.

370
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So I took him yesterday to the Magic Chair on Blackcomb and he basically taught himself
how to snowboard, dude.

371
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He was doing S turns like an hour.

372
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It blew my mind how quickly children can learn these incredible, just to learn a totally
new thing that you've never done.

373
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Couple of good scorpion face smashes, wha-bam, wha-bam.

374
00:30:46,326 --> 00:30:47,757
It was awesome.

375
00:30:47,898 --> 00:30:48,529
Yeah.

376
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:49,612
chair is great for that.

377
00:30:49,612 --> 00:30:51,517
Love it.

378
00:30:51,517 --> 00:30:54,784
That's definitely good times in Whistler.

379
00:30:55,256 --> 00:30:56,360
Absolutely.

380
00:30:57,455 --> 00:31:03,848
Alright, so on this episode we're going to sort of talk about a bunch of different types
of concentrates.

381
00:31:03,848 --> 00:31:12,412
So I wanted to get your opinion on solventless extraction versus the other kind of
extraction.

382
00:31:13,868 --> 00:31:23,704
Yeah, well, I used to be very much thinking that only one side should exist.

383
00:31:23,944 --> 00:31:27,826
When I was younger, I was just like, why would you do that if you could do this?

384
00:31:28,227 --> 00:31:38,092
But as I met people who specialized in those processes and created very, you know, I would
never engage in them because I just didn't like the whole frequency of it all.

385
00:31:39,534 --> 00:31:40,066
So I...

386
00:31:40,066 --> 00:31:44,518
But I would now definitely fight for the right for both to exist.

387
00:31:44,518 --> 00:31:49,189
That being said, obviously I fall on the solventless side.

388
00:31:49,270 --> 00:31:51,361
I'm not sure why we call it the solventless side.

389
00:31:51,361 --> 00:31:55,712
I mean, I do know and shout out to Nickatee for coining the term solventless.

390
00:31:55,712 --> 00:32:02,535
I have it on the banner right above my, it's the solventless quiver right there,
solventless quiver.

391
00:32:04,436 --> 00:32:09,676
But the majority of the volatile aromatic compounds

392
00:32:09,676 --> 00:32:17,712
like the terpenes and terpenoids and sesquiterpenoids, a lot of them are solvents.

393
00:32:18,793 --> 00:32:25,538
They're hydrocarbons, which is funny because not only are they hydrocarbons, but you know
what else is a hydrocarbon?

394
00:32:25,538 --> 00:32:29,100
Like propane and butane are also hydrocarbons.

395
00:32:29,161 --> 00:32:36,748
So you have this sort of connection that the plant itself can almost not be solventless,
but the process itself,

396
00:32:36,748 --> 00:32:50,067
I suppose can be, now it's a double misnomer because not only are there solvents present
in the plant itself, but we're using water, which is the universal solvent.

397
00:32:50,147 --> 00:32:56,672
And as now we're not using it to extract things from the plant, we're using it as a
carrier.

398
00:32:56,672 --> 00:33:06,118
That being said, if anyone has ever made water hash, please tell me at the end of the
process if your water was clear or if it had

399
00:33:06,118 --> 00:33:18,708
melted things out of the plant into the water, smell the water and tell me if there are
any aromatic volatiles in that water that perhaps might have been water soluble as well.

400
00:33:19,409 --> 00:33:23,512
I think you will find the answer to both those latter questions to be yes.

401
00:33:23,512 --> 00:33:35,916
So I do appreciate the solvent lists or water, if you just want to call it the water and
ice process or the mechanical screen separation, the static tech, which of course was how

402
00:33:35,916 --> 00:33:38,748
Skunk Man Sam was making the pure resin heads.

403
00:33:38,748 --> 00:33:48,676
He had discovered this accidentally in Africa years prior when a friend of his was sitting
down and he was rubbing cannabis over a silk screen.

404
00:33:48,676 --> 00:33:55,712
And when he held his hands up, his hands were full of like black resin, like he had been
rubbing charis from a plant.

405
00:33:55,712 --> 00:34:00,326
And so when Dave saw this, he was like, whoa, I know what's going on there.

406
00:34:00,326 --> 00:34:05,742
He went home, got a screen, threw some resin on it, did this with his hand and all the
heads

407
00:34:05,742 --> 00:34:11,142
stuck to his hand while all the contaminant was pushed through the tighter hole of the
screen.

408
00:34:11,222 --> 00:34:19,562
It was really an incredible revelation that even the guy doing it didn't know what he was
doing.

409
00:34:19,562 --> 00:34:21,342
He didn't put two and two together.

410
00:34:21,342 --> 00:34:29,182
And because Dave did, Dave had like the strongest hash in the world for like 25 years.

411
00:34:29,378 --> 00:34:29,988
Amazing.

412
00:34:29,988 --> 00:34:40,875
I know from washing my own cannabis with the ice water extraction and using your bags that
our water is sometimes like a vibrant purple at the end.

413
00:34:41,595 --> 00:34:42,976
so there you go.

414
00:34:43,423 --> 00:34:48,426
That's anthocyanin and that is a antioxidant.

415
00:34:48,426 --> 00:34:56,941
It's what makes the purple in the blueberry and quite a few flower petals and other purple
things in nature.

416
00:34:56,941 --> 00:34:58,452
it's called anthocyanin.

417
00:34:58,452 --> 00:34:59,672
It can be kind of reddish.

418
00:34:59,672 --> 00:35:00,593
It can be pinkish.

419
00:35:00,593 --> 00:35:04,125
It can be dark purple, but it is water soluble.

420
00:35:04,125 --> 00:35:10,878
So when you wash it, you can pull it out into the water and then I guess you could kind
of, you know,

421
00:35:11,352 --> 00:35:21,300
break that water down to a point where you could actually collect the anthocyanin as a
kind of a crystalline sort of powdery dry structure.

422
00:35:21,499 --> 00:35:22,104
soon.

423
00:35:22,104 --> 00:35:24,113
it sounds like I had a value added there.

424
00:35:24,113 --> 00:35:25,097
You

425
00:35:25,314 --> 00:35:27,499
Yeah, my buddy Tony did it years ago.

426
00:35:27,499 --> 00:35:29,202
I just remember it being really weird.

427
00:35:29,202 --> 00:35:34,964
It looked like a crystal under my macro lens, but when I touched it, it just really broke
into a dust.

428
00:35:36,944 --> 00:35:37,897
Cool.

429
00:35:40,319 --> 00:35:49,751
Can we talk a bit about when you were officially crowned bubble man and your journey
developing the bubble bags extraction kit?

430
00:35:50,894 --> 00:35:51,834
Sure.

431
00:35:53,536 --> 00:35:58,760
I guess around 98, I was helping the BC Compassion Club.

432
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:05,834
My friend, Hilary Black, who was really the only person I knew when I moved to BC from
Manitoba in 96.

433
00:36:06,085 --> 00:36:09,774
And right around then she was kind of like, I'm going to move to California.

434
00:36:09,774 --> 00:36:12,231
I'm kind of in love with this guy, Todd McCormack.

435
00:36:12,231 --> 00:36:17,114
I'm going go live in this mansion in like Laurel Heights in California.

436
00:36:17,114 --> 00:36:19,124
I was like, that's weird.

437
00:36:19,966 --> 00:36:23,207
And then she was like, actually, I'm coming back.

438
00:36:23,207 --> 00:36:24,167
And she came back.

439
00:36:24,167 --> 00:36:33,871
And then when she was here, she was like, should I go back and live with Todd or should I
stay and do my own project here in Canada?

440
00:36:33,871 --> 00:36:37,412
And that project ended up being the BC Compassion Club.

441
00:36:37,412 --> 00:36:44,014
And I was just lucky enough to watch her sort of start manifesting it and do whatever I
could to facilitate it.

442
00:36:44,014 --> 00:36:45,644
So I would help her.

443
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:51,531
get cannabis for the BC Compassion Club back in the day and one time I had gotten some
cannabis.

444
00:36:51,572 --> 00:37:00,834
Well, actually what had happened was she had created such this, I mean anyone that knows
what the BC Compassion Club is or Hillary knows that she's just an angel and what she

445
00:37:00,834 --> 00:37:07,276
created was the greatest thing that Canadians have ever seen when it comes to cannabis
anything.

446
00:37:07,356 --> 00:37:14,978
And legendary, I just felt blessed to be a part of it in the sense of just procuring and
finding them cannabis and you know,

447
00:37:15,298 --> 00:37:18,981
getting it to them at a loss, know, forget about profit.

448
00:37:18,981 --> 00:37:26,246
was like, let's swallow a couple hundred bucks a pound and get it to the club or let's
donate it to the club and we'll just figure out a way to pay for it.

449
00:37:26,567 --> 00:37:30,160
It was really that important, the work she was doing.

450
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:37,516
She chose the most vulnerable people, the terminally ill, the mentally ill, the homeless
and the drug addicted.

451
00:37:37,516 --> 00:37:40,458
And all four of those were usually one person.

452
00:37:40,818 --> 00:37:51,172
So really, really, really vulnerable component of society that she was just engaged in
wanting to help in such a beautiful way that anything we could do, we were doing.

453
00:37:51,172 --> 00:37:59,806
So someone one day drives their car through the front window of the BC Compassion Club and
they try to steal the safe and they even break it open a little bit.

454
00:37:59,806 --> 00:38:04,438
And so the Renee flower that was in there was like reeking up the whole block.

455
00:38:04,438 --> 00:38:05,728
It was so stinky.

456
00:38:05,728 --> 00:38:08,810
I suspect those were thials and not terpenes.

457
00:38:08,810 --> 00:38:10,260
Very funky.

458
00:38:10,472 --> 00:38:16,907
Anyway, the police came, they guarded the safe because Hillary was just an angel, so she
never seemed to get in trouble.

459
00:38:16,907 --> 00:38:23,613
So they guarded the safe with the reeking marijuana smell coming out of it and got it
moved back in and they fixed the front window.

460
00:38:23,613 --> 00:38:31,359
But she called me and said, listen, I have like, you know, a bunch of weed in my safe that
I don't feel safe leaving here.

461
00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:32,910
Would you mind just taking it home?

462
00:38:32,910 --> 00:38:34,201
And I was like, yeah, no problem.

463
00:38:34,201 --> 00:38:40,566
And so I took it home and I got caught at a roadblock.

464
00:38:40,566 --> 00:38:48,628
with it and became the first BC Compassion Club court case in Canada.

465
00:38:48,988 --> 00:38:55,380
And so that was really what led me to the bubble man, bubble bag, bubble hash thing.

466
00:38:55,380 --> 00:39:01,732
And just to shorten it up, I went through all that whole court thing, but in the meantime,
I was like, I guess I'm not selling weed anymore.

467
00:39:01,732 --> 00:39:04,253
Like gotta figure something else out to do.

468
00:39:04,813 --> 00:39:08,874
Long story short, I ended up making these bags with my wife.

469
00:39:08,874 --> 00:39:15,850
I called, we called them bubble bags and I called it bubble hash because when I made the
best hash, it would bubble and boil.

470
00:39:15,850 --> 00:39:18,232
So I was like, well, this is the bubble hash and that's the bubble.

471
00:39:18,232 --> 00:39:25,348
I didn't want to call it hash because hash like that brick I just held up is not what
bubble hash is at all.

472
00:39:25,348 --> 00:39:32,534
I mean, if you look at that brick and then you look at something like, like this,

473
00:39:35,084 --> 00:39:37,475
They don't look any...

474
00:39:38,236 --> 00:39:45,521
One makes your mouth water, and one you could use as the doorstop to your office.

475
00:39:47,232 --> 00:39:48,325
nice bookend.

476
00:39:48,325 --> 00:39:49,048
You

477
00:39:49,048 --> 00:40:00,764
So in 99, a little bit after I got into that trouble in 98, my wife and I started Fresh
Heddies and I coined the term bubble hash and I called the bags bubble bags.

478
00:40:00,764 --> 00:40:02,145
And then I was like, shit, what?

479
00:40:02,145 --> 00:40:11,470
I need to create a name for myself so I can go on Overgrow and cannabisculture.com and
cannabisworld.com and engage and sell these bags.

480
00:40:11,470 --> 00:40:13,911
And so I just chose bubble man.

481
00:40:14,012 --> 00:40:18,730
Clearly not having any idea that like 20 years later I would be like,

482
00:40:18,730 --> 00:40:31,463
in Kingston, Jamaica at this like this, all these medical doctors and the chief medical
officer of the island is like on the podium and he's like, okay, everybody, I would like

483
00:40:31,463 --> 00:40:33,694
to introduce this young man from Canada.

484
00:40:33,694 --> 00:40:36,175
Please welcome the bubble man.

485
00:40:36,175 --> 00:40:38,775
And I was just like, my God.

486
00:40:38,775 --> 00:40:46,397
And then later that day, you know, if you speak at a conference, people will be like, Ross
Ross, could I have a word with you after you've spoken?

487
00:40:46,558 --> 00:40:47,608
People were like, Mr.

488
00:40:47,608 --> 00:40:48,290
Bubble Man.

489
00:40:48,290 --> 00:40:48,540
Mr.

490
00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:52,382
Bubble Man, with the Caribbean accent, it was just awesome.

491
00:40:52,382 --> 00:40:58,036
I was like, my God, this is like a, like a weird LSD movie I've created for myself.

492
00:40:58,196 --> 00:41:04,439
And just Bubble Man, what a stupid name to choose.

493
00:41:04,439 --> 00:41:10,364
Like who would know 26 years later, I'm still rocking this moniker.

494
00:41:10,364 --> 00:41:13,766
Be careful what you, you know, choose.

495
00:41:13,766 --> 00:41:14,446
Be careful.

496
00:41:14,446 --> 00:41:19,695
to say, Marcus, we all love Bubble Man and what you represent.

497
00:41:19,695 --> 00:41:23,540
I personally think it's a perfect moniker for you.

498
00:41:23,874 --> 00:41:27,254
I used to meet people and they'd be like, I thought you would be heavier.

499
00:41:27,254 --> 00:41:29,065
I thought you'd be a little chubbier.

500
00:41:29,065 --> 00:41:30,779
I'm like, what, like a bubble man?

501
00:41:30,779 --> 00:41:32,451
He's like, yeah.

502
00:41:32,573 --> 00:41:33,056
Like,

503
00:41:33,056 --> 00:41:34,148
That's hilarious.

504
00:41:34,148 --> 00:41:35,639
No, it fits perfect.

505
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:37,132
hall artist as well.

506
00:41:37,656 --> 00:41:41,205
True, true, it could be, that would be Bubblemon.

507
00:41:41,772 --> 00:41:42,940
Bubble man.

508
00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:44,093
Bubble man.

509
00:41:44,093 --> 00:41:46,073
funny, oh my God, that's such a good story.

510
00:41:48,093 --> 00:41:53,673
Yeah, also, I just saw that you are on season 11 of Hash Church.

511
00:41:53,873 --> 00:41:56,353
That's incredible, so many episodes.

512
00:41:56,353 --> 00:42:01,373
And I saw that they usually go for like four hours of just kind of chatting with people in
industry.

513
00:42:01,888 --> 00:42:03,739
Yeah, they're completely insane.

514
00:42:03,739 --> 00:42:05,561
Also, I never planned to do it.

515
00:42:05,561 --> 00:42:06,202
How about that?

516
00:42:06,202 --> 00:42:14,230
I just one day, like 11 years ago, I got this email from YouTube and the email said, you
can now go live.

517
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:24,710
And 11 years ago, like going live, like I had been into Kik, Q-I-K, which was a live
streaming device that I managed to rack up $6,000 Rogers cell phone bill when I was in

518
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:27,542
Amsterdam in Germany one time doing it years ago.

519
00:42:27,566 --> 00:42:35,291
But I was on early with the figuring out how to stream live off of a phone, jailbreak
phones that could do it.

520
00:42:35,591 --> 00:42:43,198
This was kind of the first real live streaming, like YouTube, the biggest audience.

521
00:42:43,198 --> 00:42:44,919
was like, whoa, it was Sunday morning.

522
00:42:44,919 --> 00:42:46,440
It was like 8.30 in the morning.

523
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,613
was like, okay, Sunday morning.

524
00:42:47,613 --> 00:42:51,324
I was like, okay, well, I'll call it Hash Church.

525
00:42:51,324 --> 00:42:52,395
It's like it's Sunday morning.

526
00:42:52,395 --> 00:42:54,126
We're going to church.

527
00:42:54,999 --> 00:42:58,721
I grew up Catholic, I had to go to church on Sunday.

528
00:42:59,182 --> 00:43:01,363
So we'll call it Church.

529
00:43:01,703 --> 00:43:03,405
I'm a hash guy, we'll call it Hash Church.

530
00:43:03,405 --> 00:43:05,066
Total spur of the moment.

531
00:43:05,066 --> 00:43:06,887
I do this show, I don't even know how long it is.

532
00:43:06,887 --> 00:43:08,698
You could go back and watch Hash Church one.

533
00:43:08,698 --> 00:43:11,501
I invite people that I don't even know from my social media.

534
00:43:11,501 --> 00:43:19,476
I'm just putting the link out to the actual Zoom or the YouTube chat panel link.

535
00:43:23,842 --> 00:43:24,952
I almost lost my train of thought.

536
00:43:24,952 --> 00:43:26,108
Give me one second.

537
00:43:28,374 --> 00:43:31,115
And within two episodes, do it every Sunday.

538
00:43:31,115 --> 00:43:33,805
like, I do it the first Sunday, then I'm like, I'm gonna do that next Sunday.

539
00:43:33,805 --> 00:43:36,656
And by the third Sunday, I have a panel.

540
00:43:36,656 --> 00:43:40,714
Like I actually have a panel of people who are now gonna come on every Sunday.

541
00:43:40,714 --> 00:43:49,200
I think for at least the next hundred episodes, we end up inviting a ton of cool people
from like Freeway Ricky Ross to like Dr.

542
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:58,082
Lester Grinspoon who ran all the like Harvard Medical to, geez, there was just some real
characters, Ross Ulbricht's mom.

543
00:43:58,082 --> 00:44:02,625
came on and talked about his like three life sentences for starting the Silk Road.

544
00:44:02,625 --> 00:44:11,752
Like it was just a really cool show that just was like, I did it for 167 Sundays in a row.

545
00:44:11,752 --> 00:44:16,768
I remembered 150, my wife pulling me aside and going, honestly, what are you doing here?

546
00:44:16,768 --> 00:44:17,585
Like, what is this?

547
00:44:17,585 --> 00:44:19,717
Like, I don't understand why you're doing this.

548
00:44:19,717 --> 00:44:20,768
Like, what are you doing this for?

549
00:44:20,768 --> 00:44:22,599
I was like, I don't even know.

550
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:27,422
And if you look back at Hash Church and some of the conversations that happened on that

551
00:44:27,512 --> 00:44:31,045
I don't even wanna call it a podcast, because it's really quite something different.

552
00:44:31,045 --> 00:44:42,313
But some of the things that happened on that panel, some of the discussions and moments in
time, literally drove the direction of part of our industry.

553
00:44:42,313 --> 00:44:47,577
Like the whole live hash rosin process, my buddy had released that on his small Instagram
account.

554
00:44:47,577 --> 00:44:55,490
He came on HashChurch and like 30,000 people saw him talking about how to make hash rosin
and flower rosin.

555
00:44:55,490 --> 00:45:02,216
And there were companies a week later after that show that popped up with rosin presses
that you could buy.

556
00:45:02,216 --> 00:45:03,967
It moved fast.

557
00:45:03,967 --> 00:45:08,280
And when we realized that our conversation was doing that, Terpings, right?

558
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,852
Kay from Tri-Comb Technologies hits me up one day.

559
00:45:10,852 --> 00:45:13,305
He's like, I'm sitting here with Sasha Shulgin.

560
00:45:13,305 --> 00:45:24,754
Sasha Shulgin, Alexander Shulgin, the famous chemist who discovered MDA and MDMA and wrote
PCAL, phenethylamines I have known and loved, wrote T-CAL, tryptamines I have known and

561
00:45:24,754 --> 00:45:25,344
loved.

562
00:45:25,344 --> 00:45:27,896
incredible epic chemist.

563
00:45:27,896 --> 00:45:37,841
And he says, listen, we're doing some terpene extractions over here with Sasha in his lab,
in his lab that he discovered MDA in, like what?

564
00:45:37,841 --> 00:45:41,633
And he says, you gotta get the terpenes out of the water.

565
00:45:41,633 --> 00:45:45,986
You gotta get the flavor profiles, those aromatics out of the water and back into the
hash.

566
00:45:45,986 --> 00:45:49,588
And I'm kinda like, I don't really have time to do that right now.

567
00:45:49,588 --> 00:45:53,858
I'm pretty busy, but I've got Hash Church going and I got this Tony Verzura guy.

568
00:45:53,858 --> 00:46:01,264
and I got this Horatio Delbert guy and I tell both of them and they both have terpenes
very shortly after.

569
00:46:01,264 --> 00:46:04,566
That was the introduction to our community to terpenes.

570
00:46:04,566 --> 00:46:06,528
Before that, nobody had terpenes.

571
00:46:06,528 --> 00:46:07,538
Nobody had terpenes.

572
00:46:07,538 --> 00:46:08,789
There was no true terpenes.

573
00:46:08,789 --> 00:46:10,331
It was very, very rare.

574
00:46:10,331 --> 00:46:12,392
Okay, Skunkman Sam had terpenes.

575
00:46:12,392 --> 00:46:15,434
Of course Skunkman Sam had terpenes.

576
00:46:16,149 --> 00:46:17,922
You're gonna get an email.

577
00:46:20,923 --> 00:46:22,424
That's really cool.

578
00:46:25,268 --> 00:46:29,512
And also, so you just got back from Spanibus in Barcelona.

579
00:46:30,273 --> 00:46:34,157
What were your favorite parts of, what were your highlights and big takeaways from there?

580
00:46:34,926 --> 00:46:44,066
Renting a motorcycle for the five days that I was there and being smart enough to bring my
rain gear and boots and be properly full-faced helmeted out.

581
00:46:44,066 --> 00:46:46,266
I drove everywhere on a motorcycle.

582
00:46:46,266 --> 00:46:47,886
went in very few cabs.

583
00:46:47,886 --> 00:46:55,146
It's the only way to see Barcelona if you have a strong foundation of riding a motorcycle.

584
00:46:55,246 --> 00:46:57,286
It was spectacular and amazing.

585
00:46:57,286 --> 00:46:59,586
was definitely my favorite part by miles.

586
00:46:59,586 --> 00:47:02,006
Also, of course, the last spannibus.

587
00:47:02,006 --> 00:47:05,066
I've been going for 21 years since 2004.

588
00:47:05,165 --> 00:47:09,725
So it was bittersweet that La Ferreira Cornelia is gonna be smashed down.

589
00:47:09,725 --> 00:47:11,825
They're gonna just destroy that entire building.

590
00:47:11,825 --> 00:47:22,565
The last ICBC, International Cannabis Business Corporation event that my buddy Alex Rogers
puts on, I spoke at that right before Spannabis and it was awesome as always, just a one

591
00:47:22,565 --> 00:47:28,945
day event, but really like he filters out all tire kickers from a business perspective.

592
00:47:28,945 --> 00:47:32,982
Everyone's like 450 Euro into their ticket.

593
00:47:32,982 --> 00:47:39,504
It's a much smaller condensed business conference, you can really like the people that are
there, they're there to get business done.

594
00:47:39,504 --> 00:47:40,454
That's what they're there to do.

595
00:47:40,454 --> 00:47:42,455
They're not just looking for any particular thing.

596
00:47:42,455 --> 00:47:45,145
They're looking for very, very particular things.

597
00:47:45,145 --> 00:47:53,177
And you can cut out a lot of the, you know, the, the, the fun to have that right before
ICB, right before spandibus is really nice.

598
00:47:53,177 --> 00:48:02,906
Cause you can get, know, three or four amazing contacts, put that in the bank and then go
have this very sort of fun last experience at spandibus, which was,

599
00:48:03,384 --> 00:48:04,545
Yeah, bittersweet, right?

600
00:48:04,545 --> 00:48:16,628
You have a tear in one eye and a glimmer of hope in the other eye for Bilbao in the north,
in Basque Country, where Spanibus will be next year.

601
00:48:16,669 --> 00:48:18,030
So I'll go, I'll check it out.

602
00:48:18,030 --> 00:48:22,094
It won't be Barcelona, it'll be different, but Basque Country is beautiful.

603
00:48:22,094 --> 00:48:25,928
I'm sure it'll still be a special event, maybe just less people.

604
00:48:26,102 --> 00:48:28,285
I'm looking forward to getting to my first one.

605
00:48:28,285 --> 00:48:30,835
I have to ask what motorcycle did you have?

606
00:48:31,286 --> 00:48:34,084
I got the BMW 300 GS.

607
00:48:34,102 --> 00:48:36,704
Nice, that's what I was hoping you were gonna say.

608
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:39,482
Yeah, I didn't get, no, I got a little scooter, man.

609
00:48:39,482 --> 00:48:44,817
I was putting around on a little, no, I like how it feels.

610
00:48:44,977 --> 00:48:51,050
No, I could have rented a 700, but that's unnecessary.

611
00:48:51,050 --> 00:48:53,746
300 is more than enough power.

612
00:48:53,746 --> 00:48:58,770
I just wanna get from A to B and I don't want to come home in a box.

613
00:48:59,180 --> 00:49:02,969
No, no, that's a, that would, that's an amazing trip there.

614
00:49:02,969 --> 00:49:06,266
Spanavis, the last one in Barcelona on a, on a motorcycle.

615
00:49:06,266 --> 00:49:07,539
Yeah.

616
00:49:07,539 --> 00:49:08,690
Sign me up.

617
00:49:09,135 --> 00:49:14,765
I saw that you tried a bunch of different products while you were there.

618
00:49:15,010 --> 00:49:16,581
Any highlights?

619
00:49:16,581 --> 00:49:20,013
Like how does the European hash compare to what we've got over here?

620
00:49:21,046 --> 00:49:23,748
Well, mean, listen, Barcelona's on another level.

621
00:49:23,748 --> 00:49:30,193
First of all, everything over here is over there, as well as in Cali and many other spots,
because it's just there.

622
00:49:31,475 --> 00:49:34,427
That being said, there's also incredible local work.

623
00:49:34,427 --> 00:49:43,965
The nicest dab I had out of the 487 dabs I had while I was at Spanibus, I think that's
what my little machine here said.

624
00:49:45,447 --> 00:49:46,767
My Puffco.

625
00:49:47,108 --> 00:49:49,836
Yeah, this guy from LA.

626
00:49:49,836 --> 00:49:52,266
was like, I brought this little jar and I was like, what is it?

627
00:49:52,266 --> 00:49:53,487
And he's like, you tell me.

628
00:49:53,487 --> 00:49:59,889
And he put it under my nose and I was like, my God, it was like live hash rosin from sweet
skunk.

629
00:49:59,889 --> 00:50:02,850
And I don't mean the sweet skunk cross.

630
00:50:02,850 --> 00:50:11,253
I mean the real sweet skunk, this like super vibrant narrow leaf drug cultivar, sativa,
whatever you wanna call it.

631
00:50:11,253 --> 00:50:16,290
A lot of people are not attracted to sativas because A,

632
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:22,895
It's terpenolene dominant and that dominance of terpenolene is sharp and sort of pissy in
the flavor.

633
00:50:22,895 --> 00:50:29,359
And it also seems to be responsible for anxiety attacks in people that are sensitive to
terpenolene.

634
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:38,446
But with sweet skunk, there's osmine and I'm pretty sure sweet skunk, osmine and
terpenolene are one to one in the sweet skunk.

635
00:50:38,446 --> 00:50:44,750
And it rounds off that sharp flavor of terpenolene and it takes away the anxiety.

636
00:50:44,890 --> 00:50:51,436
I know that for a fact because my wife, who is not a cannabis user at all, always loved
having a little bit of sweet scum to vaporize.

637
00:50:51,436 --> 00:50:53,790
She was just like, that one's special for some reason.

638
00:50:53,790 --> 00:50:58,843
I'm like, yes, I think it's because of the osmine and terpenaline relationship.

639
00:50:58,843 --> 00:51:06,540
But there could be many other things going on below that that we are not perceiving that
are as responsible for the experience.

640
00:51:06,988 --> 00:51:07,792
That's cool.

641
00:51:07,792 --> 00:51:12,671
I know that terpenaline is one of the most rare terpenes.

642
00:51:13,824 --> 00:51:17,791
Well, terpenolene, it's prevalent in sativas.

643
00:51:17,791 --> 00:51:27,718
So if you've got a Where is My Bike or a Lemon Haze or a Super Silver Haze or any of the
Ghost Train Haze, it'll be high in terpenolene.

644
00:51:28,396 --> 00:51:29,283
Nice, yeah, my.

645
00:51:29,283 --> 00:51:30,576
a lot of sativas, right?

646
00:51:30,576 --> 00:51:38,198
Because the grow cycle is not as, or it takes longer to, is that right?

647
00:51:38,198 --> 00:51:38,798
It does.

648
00:51:38,798 --> 00:51:41,539
It's definitely got a much longer flowering period.

649
00:51:41,539 --> 00:51:46,942
you know, first of all, you can grow these sativa, narrow leaf drug cultivars, whatever
you want to call them.

650
00:51:46,942 --> 00:51:50,283
You can grow them anywhere, grow them indoors and control.

651
00:51:50,283 --> 00:51:53,804
can grow them in a greenhouse and control your variables to a degree.

652
00:51:53,944 --> 00:52:04,269
But if you're living near the equator, you can just plant them in the ground and they
just, that one time of year, that long part of the first part of the season, that when you

653
00:52:04,269 --> 00:52:07,660
get six months out of it or whatever, or more, you can

654
00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:10,853
you can grow beautiful, beautiful sativas.

655
00:52:10,853 --> 00:52:13,395
That's kind of my favorite place to grow them.

656
00:52:13,395 --> 00:52:15,757
I have an affinity for hazes.

657
00:52:15,757 --> 00:52:17,008
I do quite love them.

658
00:52:17,008 --> 00:52:23,234
That being said, you know, I love gas and I love fruit and I love all the other flavor
profiles too.

659
00:52:23,234 --> 00:52:26,937
Haze is just probably a notch above the rest.

660
00:52:26,937 --> 00:52:30,370
If I had to choose one, might be the haze.

661
00:52:30,678 --> 00:52:32,751
I love the super lemon haze.

662
00:52:34,035 --> 00:52:35,838
That's one of my faves.

663
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:36,403
Yeah.

664
00:52:36,403 --> 00:52:38,097
my buddy just bought a bunch.

665
00:52:38,521 --> 00:52:39,462
Go ahead.

666
00:52:39,761 --> 00:52:51,318
I was going to say the reason why Ross Terpinalin probably seems like it's rare is because
there just aren't as many sativas on the market, So, or sativa leaning, whatever you want

667
00:52:51,318 --> 00:52:52,096
to say.

668
00:52:52,735 --> 00:52:55,016
Yeah, it's, could be that.

669
00:52:55,016 --> 00:52:58,596
it could be that just, it's not prevalent.

670
00:52:58,596 --> 00:53:10,396
Um, we have a, a strain called, uh, organic mango gold that, our last round came out with
2 % terpenaline and rounds before that previously were only at 1%.

671
00:53:10,396 --> 00:53:12,516
And, uh, that was good.

672
00:53:12,516 --> 00:53:21,360
And so 2 % is, you know, we're kind of like playing off the terpenaline in our mango gold,
um, a lot.

673
00:53:21,408 --> 00:53:34,494
I tend to like it and I'd love for you to try it Marcus and see what you think about it
after talking about the balance between the terpenaline and what was it that offsets it?

674
00:53:35,425 --> 00:53:36,468
Awesome in.

675
00:53:36,488 --> 00:53:37,629
Osemine.

676
00:53:37,931 --> 00:53:38,913
Yeah, interesting.

677
00:53:38,913 --> 00:53:46,287
I'm going to look more into that and see what our CRA say about osemine in our mango gold
there.

678
00:53:46,287 --> 00:53:47,518
It's interesting.

679
00:53:48,273 --> 00:53:50,593
And we're coming to the end of our hour here.

680
00:53:50,593 --> 00:53:53,393
Thank you so much for being here with us.

681
00:53:53,393 --> 00:53:55,633
Do you want to do a little plug for a Bubble Man brand?

682
00:53:55,633 --> 00:53:57,097
What's going on with that?

683
00:53:58,378 --> 00:54:01,289
bubble man brand is operating in a bunch of States right now.

684
00:54:01,289 --> 00:54:03,339
We're in like Maryland.

685
00:54:03,339 --> 00:54:04,790
We're in Missouri.

686
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:05,990
We're in Oklahoma.

687
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:07,080
We're in Illinois.

688
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,821
We're in Michigan.

689
00:54:08,841 --> 00:54:12,362
we're in Colorado and we're in New Mexico.

690
00:54:12,922 --> 00:54:15,563
some of those States are further ahead than others.

691
00:54:15,563 --> 00:54:22,245
Some are just kind of coming along right now, but you can always check me out at BC bubble
man on Instagram.

692
00:54:22,245 --> 00:54:27,366
And that links to all my sort of bubble man brands, projects.

693
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:30,437
Sadly, we can't get it in Canada though, right?

694
00:54:31,364 --> 00:54:33,760
Just the, yeah.

695
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:42,789
Canada, but Canada's market is a tough one if you want to say, just pay your mortgage.

696
00:54:43,525 --> 00:54:43,914
Yeah.

697
00:54:43,914 --> 00:54:44,957
Hahaha

698
00:54:46,841 --> 00:54:51,718
Yeah, yeah, we definitely talk a lot about the difficulties of it on this podcast.

699
00:54:52,492 --> 00:54:54,303
Yeah, it's a lot.

700
00:54:55,124 --> 00:54:57,737
Yeah, yeah, there is a fake account.

701
00:54:57,737 --> 00:55:08,967
If you accidentally only put one B in bubble, which is actually two B's instead of three,
but in the middle where it should be BB, if you write B-U-B-L-E-M-A-N, it's the same

702
00:55:08,967 --> 00:55:11,539
picture, but it's a totally fake account.

703
00:55:11,539 --> 00:55:15,683
I remember hitting up Instagram and being like, hey, this guy's pretending to be me.

704
00:55:15,683 --> 00:55:17,665
And they're like, all right, we'll do an investigation.

705
00:55:17,665 --> 00:55:19,476
Then they get back to me and they're like.

706
00:55:19,968 --> 00:55:21,400
No, his account is fine.

707
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:27,259
I'm like, it's all my pictures and pictures of me and my name minus a B.

708
00:55:27,259 --> 00:55:30,133
Like, what are you talking about?

709
00:55:30,578 --> 00:55:33,258
I'm like, yeah, made me laugh.

710
00:55:34,093 --> 00:55:39,203
Is there anything else you want to chat about before that we didn't touch on, any soap box
you want to get on?

711
00:55:40,518 --> 00:55:51,767
I would let everyone know that if they want to reach out to me at bcbubbleman at
iCloud.com, I am offering sponsorships on my show, Church, for really the first time in 10

712
00:55:51,767 --> 00:55:52,167
years.

713
00:55:52,167 --> 00:55:54,288
We never did it, now we're doing it.

714
00:55:54,469 --> 00:56:02,094
We're pretty picky, so we don't say yes to every company, but feel free to reach out if
you want to engage with the Hash Church audience.

715
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,640
That sounds awesome.

716
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,220
Marcus, hey man, it's been a pleasure.

717
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:14,000
You're a legend in the industry and in Canada and around the world.

718
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:22,500
you know, having you on the show is amazing and yeah, let's get together in the near
future.

719
00:56:23,086 --> 00:56:24,226
Oh, give thanks, man.

720
00:56:24,226 --> 00:56:25,466
Appreciate the kind words.

721
00:56:25,466 --> 00:56:28,026
You're a legend, of course, in your own way, man.

722
00:56:28,026 --> 00:56:28,966
Like, holy shit.

723
00:56:28,966 --> 00:56:31,546
I'll never forget that whole experience going down.

724
00:56:31,546 --> 00:56:33,646
I was just like, wow, look at that.

725
00:56:33,646 --> 00:56:37,126
That was like the best thing you could do for snowboarding.

726
00:56:37,126 --> 00:56:42,432
Like, even though I know at the time it didn't feel like it, was so, it was just so
gangster.

727
00:56:42,432 --> 00:56:43,383
It was a balance.

728
00:56:43,383 --> 00:56:48,972
I knew it was good on one level and maybe not so much on the other side, but I just went
to the good side, man.

729
00:56:48,972 --> 00:56:50,261
I just went to the good side.

730
00:56:50,261 --> 00:56:54,858
at it now, know, snowboarding has never been bigger.

731
00:56:55,618 --> 00:57:06,822
Snowboarding is huge, cannabis is getting bigger and bigger every day and we're gonna work
on those regulations to bring them down, bring the taxes down, make it work so that you

732
00:57:06,822 --> 00:57:08,574
can do your thing.

733
00:57:09,482 --> 00:57:10,243
Absolutely.

734
00:57:10,243 --> 00:57:12,324
I can't wait to see those things come together.

735
00:57:12,324 --> 00:57:22,213
And I'm sure you can't either when cannabis and snowboarding can come together in a real,
I'll never forget being in the back country up on the Pemberton ice caps on my sled.

736
00:57:22,213 --> 00:57:27,006
And there was like, my buddy recognized the guy and they were filming like some night
commercial or something.

737
00:57:27,006 --> 00:57:31,220
And the dude was like, going to go do this like double back flip off like an 80 foot
cliff.

738
00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:36,474
And he was at the bottom and he took a rip out of a vape pen right before they pulled him
up.

739
00:57:36,474 --> 00:57:39,054
And I was like, I was like, did he just take a

740
00:57:39,054 --> 00:57:42,534
rip of cannabis and he was like, yeah, I think so.

741
00:57:42,534 --> 00:57:43,194
What do you think it is?

742
00:57:43,194 --> 00:57:44,034
Like DMT?

743
00:57:44,034 --> 00:57:44,814
No, probably.

744
00:57:44,814 --> 00:57:45,174
Yeah.

745
00:57:45,174 --> 00:57:45,954
I was like, oh, okay.

746
00:57:45,954 --> 00:57:47,514
Well, that's what's up.

747
00:57:47,514 --> 00:57:51,954
And then I remember asking the kid later, like, you know, would you ever consider doing
that?

748
00:57:51,954 --> 00:58:01,914
Like he went and stomped a double backflip off of 80 foot cliff and just like ski skied
down like dude, like eight minutes later, you know what I mean?

749
00:58:01,914 --> 00:58:03,374
Like he hit that vape pant.

750
00:58:03,374 --> 00:58:08,046
He got zipped up and then like, wham, wham, whoosh.

751
00:58:08,046 --> 00:58:11,786
was like, would you ever consider doing that after like, you know, a can of beer?

752
00:58:11,786 --> 00:58:13,726
I was just like, fuck no, dude.

753
00:58:13,726 --> 00:58:15,446
Are you kidding me?

754
00:58:15,446 --> 00:58:16,786
I'd die.

755
00:58:18,738 --> 00:58:20,318
Yes, yes.

756
00:58:21,059 --> 00:58:21,549
Awesome.

757
00:58:21,549 --> 00:58:23,180
Thank you so much.

758
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,802
I'm gonna hit stop here and then it's gonna upload and then we are.