Episode 14 - Skyscraper

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You have entered the PIM Entertainment Podcast. Hello when Welcome
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to an all new episode of the PM Entertainment Podcast.
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And a Shakespeare once said, forsooth, this be a show
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most relentless in its praise of yon spectacles, most fierce
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and furious, wherein bullets fly as bees in battle roundhouse
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kicks do smite with thunderous grace, and chariots explode in
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fiery triumph. Lo jumpsuited heroes dos stride bold ear bathing
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neath the steamy veil, whilst flashback of lustful dalliance dance
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upon the screen. Villains clad in leathered hose do snarl
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and plot as valiant stunt folk leap from heights, most
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perilous are set alite as blazing torches, and steer their
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wheeled steeds through vessels bearing the mark of Bud Dry.
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Of course, I'm talking about the films produced by Richard
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Peppin and Joseph May that lit up every mom and
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pop video store shelf that they graced, although I am
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not sure what influence or input they had on this
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week's film, The Anonikole Smith starring high flying die Hard
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retread Skyscraper. We get into lots of details about the
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movie and our conversation, so I won't retread that here.
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I'm just going to remind you that I'm your host,
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John Crass, and don't forget that. If you like the show,
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us via email well pmentpod at gmail dot com. That's
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PM and T pod at gmail dot com. Much like
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one Keith McAfee did this week, he wrote, just finished
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listening to episode thirteen to be the best also known
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as Karate Tigers, seven amazing guests and killer movie banter
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are reaching an all time high here. It's like listening
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to a vengeful Ferris wheel of Mayhem that keeps circling
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one punch of excitement after another. Thanks for keeping me
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going today. It was awfully hot and muggy and Maine
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in the beer industry during the summer months, it's a
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real killer bouncing between stops. Having the podcast going gave
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me the adrenaline fuel I needed to complete my day.
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Ps Still waiting for a don the dragonflick on the podcast.
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Thanks Keith, McAfee. Well, Keith, thank you so much, sir,
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what a wonderful email. Please do keep them coming. I
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love a good email and I would love to get
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some regular correspondents read out on the show. Just a
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reminder again that everyone can email us at Pmenttpod at
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gmail dot com, pm e Ntpod at gmail dot com,
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just like Keith did, and glad to know that you
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are listening to the podcast. While I presume trucking around
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Maine with lots of beer in the back, that's what
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it sounds like. I don't know. I can think of
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worst ways to spend my days, even in hot and
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muggy Maine. However, if you ever find yourself in equally
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hot and muggy Connecticut, then do look me up and say, hey,
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we'll grab a drink rather than drive them around in
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the back of the truck. Anyway, thanks so much for
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writing Keith. That's a real pleasure. And as for Don
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the Dragon Wilson film, we will definitely be covering one soon.
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I promise that is definitely going to happen, whether we
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get an interview or not. Don respond to my Facebook messages. Thanks.
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Our guests this week have reviewed Straight to Video and
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It's Ty and Brett Barger. Hello, gentlemen, a pleasure to
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have you back on the show.
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Hey, thanks again for having us on.
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Right Schwarzenegger stallone van Damn the Goal Smith Will and
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Cole Smith joined the Pantheon Great Action Stars find out
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on today's PM Entertainment podcast.
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I was right, that was wonderful. That was wonderful. Can
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she can? She joined the pantheon of s named action stars.
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True speaking mean yes, she was born to do this.
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Which is a very kind kind thing to say.
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If we span damn, that would that would that would
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be perfect?
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But but yeah, right, uh well it's I'm glad you
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mentioned that there was a kind thing to say, because
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my whole goal today is not to make fun of
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Anna Nicole Smith.
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Because on a on our review for this I thought
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I went back and read it today, and I also
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went back and watched the movie today, and I thought
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we were a little harsh in our review. So I
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think it's unfair in many ways to kind of make
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fun of her that harshly. So part of this podcast
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for me today is to re you know, to correct
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the record and and find the good and.
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All this you can find the good and one one rocket, Charlie.
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If I can't find the good and one rocket, Charlie,
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what can I find good?
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All Right? We have rocket launchers, car explosions, repeated explosions
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of cars, dumpsters and debris, slow mos, stuntmen, gunfight, multiple squibs,
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blood squib hitting the camera. Stuntman almost toasted alive, possibly
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by accident. Car while on fire, backs all the way
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up and threw a truck, crashing out the other side
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on fire and exploding. Man is shot off the roof
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of a skyscraper. A guard is shot. Another guard knows
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kung fu and fights for a bit before being repeatedly
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punched in the back and collapsing. Another gunfight, cop and
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car taken out by rocket launcher. Flaming and wailing stuntman
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man shot out of window and bullet causes him to
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do an elaborate flip over a balcony railing and he
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falls off the building. Another guard is strangled to death.
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Gunfight in control center. Anna Nicole Smith jumps off skyscraper
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roof with the guff in a suitcase onto a handley
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placed window washing platform. She swings out on a metal
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wire while being shot at for a bit. She crashes
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through a window and narrowly avoids being pulled out of
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the building by a falling winch. Fist fight on the
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back stairs yet another gunfight in which mostly phones and
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computers are hit. Because everyone is a terrible shot, lots
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of sparks go off. Malibu and Anna Nicole Smith fight
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each other's hair. A still further gunfight where mainly notices
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and noticeboards are shot at. Fire rescue workers and fire
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ladder hit with rocket launcher and bursts into flames. They
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blow several windows out of the building. Bad guy in
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leather pants Johnny Hill, is stabbed in the crutch, shut
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in the chest and is propelled out of a window
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and falls down the building for about thirty minutes. A
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few random people are shot throughout the movie. The thirty
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fifth gunfight so far I think is in the loading bay,
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culminates in a little Kung Fu bad guys, then roundhouse
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kicked off the roof of a skyscraper. Graturitous time padding,
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helicopter footage, groturitous adr graturitous multiple men in shades and suits,
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graturs unexpl mcguffin, gratuitous bud dry truck, gratuitous reservoir dogs
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rip off, gratuitous die hard ripoff, graturitu shower scene where
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she appears to become a rouse simply by standing under
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some water, gratuitt to slow motion sex scene, gratuitu's comedy
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side characters, gratuitous flashback to show she's a good shot,
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and gratuitous flashback sex scene. Well well, well, well, well,
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that is an incredible list, quite possibly the silliest list
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we've had on the show so far. Please write to
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us and tell us what you think. Let's start, as
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we always do with the show, before we go off
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on our opinions of the movie. Is I always ask
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my guests to give a quick rundown of the plot.
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Now I understand that the plot is basically die Hard,
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but it's die Hard with a mcguffin, Like Dieard doesn't
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have a mcguffin. I guess the mcguffin in die Hard
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is that everyone thinks they're terrorists and really they're robbers.
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I suppose that's the mcguffin. But in this movie there
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is a mcguffin. Not only is there a mcguffin, but
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there's a mcguffin that are bad guys have to collect
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multiple parts of. So so yeah, give us a give
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us a quick lowdown on the plot of Skyscraper.
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Okay, you want me to do it?
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Okay, sure, So we got to shake shakespeare cording. Villain
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wants the what four pieces of the thing that will
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change the ballance on the earth. We didn't really explain
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too well, but one rocket Charlie carry Wink and Smith,
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uh you know, figures this out and has to save
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some hostages and it all gets very ridiculous.
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Yeah, so she is She is a and I don't
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even know if this is a real thing. I mean,
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I presume it is for the rich and famous. But
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she is a helicopter pilot for basically a helicopter limousine
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service hell escort, right, and she is married to a cop,
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uh Gordon Wink. So the two of them are wink wink, yeah.
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Because their partners are nude nudge, yeah, Right, was wink Martindale?
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That would have been what they He somehow gave them
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his first name as his.
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Last he give be wink wink.
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So wait a minute, are you trying to say that
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the brother and sister.
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Well that's interesting. But and also in the name department,
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I should also point out Dudley right, So who is
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kind of the wacky security guard? So could that be
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a reference to Dudley do right? Maybe the name is
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do you know?
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Well, I mean she doesn't one of his because he Again,
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it's a peman tame of film, So we find out
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lots of innocuous stuff about our characters that we don't
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really need to know. But it's what I call the
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Larry Cohen syndrome, which and I love this, which is
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even the bit parts get a backstory. Right. So the
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security guard who is Dudley Wright is picked on by
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all the other security cards who all get killed by
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the way, so he's the you know, he's the only
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one who survived. Does he survive oh right, all right, Yeah,
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he's a right, but he is like the weedy scrappy
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but he wants to be a cop like he wants
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he wants to be Dirty Harry. But he he looks
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more like the sweet Chuck out of Police Academy, right, and.
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Then yeah, he's kind of he's kind of a little bits.
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If any Deeson played Sweet Chuck in Police Academy, that's
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kind of what Edward Eduardo des Yes, but no, he
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is one of the things. He gets bullied or picked
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on by his fellow security god. Is his name? He is?
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He?
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At one point, I think one of the security gods
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goes Dudley do. Right, he's a mounted policeman from the
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Great North or something like that.
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Right, But then not to get too far ahead of ourselves,
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because you know, you should show up until a bit later.
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Now we also discover the the drama of Carrie Wing's
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fertility issues. Yes, and and you we're talking about quotes
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right before we recorded, and the one I wrote down,
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you know, in case not to to find a you know,
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not to put too fine a point on it. But
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she screams whales at Gordie wink, I want a baby.
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Yes, so yeah, so I was gonna say, I will
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get into this with my general overview of the movie
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in a bit, but yes, the plot that is set
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up about Annonacole Smith Carrywink wanting a baby from Gordon Wink,
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but Gordon Wink is too married to the force.
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Yea, the police department, not me.
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What I think all this is it might be a
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pretext to say, hey, you know, theseletely unnecessary and gratuitous
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sex scenes. They're not for the pleasure of it. It's
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for procreation, for creation, procreation only. So the reason why
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they're showing these sex scenes and you know, Playboy channel
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style detail is just what they're trying to conceive.
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Of course, and and and not because Joseph and Rick said, look,
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if we're going to have to make a movie with
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Anna Nicole Smith, that better be tits in it.
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I mean I think we said that in a review.
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It's kind of like imagine being a kind of a
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teenager and you catch it, or you try to catch
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it on skin a Max or the cable channels or
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your local video store. You would feel so cheated if
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there was no nudity, wouldn't.
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You, right? But I might have preferred the film.
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Oh yeah, maybe no, Yeah, that's that's certainly something we
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can debate and talk about. If you took those scenes out,
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would that uh?
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Well, there is there is a version. There's there's a
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version on YouTube that I believe is the edited for
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TV version US that that does not have boobs in it. However,
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for anyone who doesn't own this VHS and DVD like
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I do multiple times, and I just ordered the Blu
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ray from from Focus Media because this was the and
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this will tell you everything you need to know about
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the enduring fandom for this film and for Anna Nicole
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Smith Focus Media in Switzerland, who have been putting out
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the PM Entertainment Blu rays over the last few months
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and that I've been reviewing on my YouTube channel and
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we've been talking about here on the podcast. The only
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two to have sold out completely of the media book version.
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the only two to have sold out of the media
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book version are the two Anonacole Smith ones, Skyscraper and
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To the Limit.
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Interesting because another question we posed is possibly if you
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took in Nicole Smith out of the equation completely, what
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would this movie be so? Right?
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It would just be golden. Yeah, and I don't particularly
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care for stein Metz either, so or we'll get into that.
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Or you replaced her with someone else, like more like
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someone PM would more typically use, like say Jeff Wincott.
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So let's say it wasn't a Nicole Smith at all
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and it was wind cut. Would that change or how
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would it change the dynamics of the film itself? Like
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is it just stunt casting? Is that all it is?
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Or is there more to it?
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Yes? And all those questions will be asked, okay, good
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and answered down down the road, because what I like
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about what you're saying is a lot of the way
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I felt after I watched this again. I've seen it before,
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but this is probably only my third viewing in the last.
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There's like third viewing in the last ten or fifteen years,
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and I can't say that it's one that had stuck
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with me so well that watching it this time I
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remembered it because I didn't. I didn't remember all of it.
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I remember some of it, but I didn't remember all
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of it. Uh. The thing about the Yeah, A lot
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of the things that I felt when I left this
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movie was to do with the Anonacole Smith of it all,
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not in a a negative way necessarily, but in a
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PM entertainment way. And I'll get into what I mean.
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I just want to finish up the plot for people
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who are listening but who haven't seen it yet. But basically,
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the first half an hour of the movie is you know,
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Anna Nacole Smith is not in it very much. She's
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either flying around in a helicopter, or she's having sex
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with her husband, or she's complaining that they don't have
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a baby yet, or she's sitting it out. Because essentially,
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what we although we introduce the bad guys, we don't
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really know who they are, where they are, why they are,
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or what they are. They're just bad guys and we
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know that. And there's also sort of like two levels
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of bad guys, because there's the bad guys who are
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doing the deals with the government in order to get
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this suitcase. It's like a suitcase satellite interrupter or something.
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I think it like manipulates satellites or something.
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I mean, not that it matters, but yeah, but I
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know what you're saying. There's something very similar at Tie
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is It Crisis with David Bradley. They're looking for something
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very similar.
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Yeah, Forston Nickel and David Bradley.
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Yeah, a generic suitcase mcguffin. I mean that's what it is.
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It's generic suitcase mcguffin. Part eight. And so there's these
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guys who are doing a deal with the government to
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get this suitcase satellite interrupter blah blah blah blah blah.
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And just as they're doing the deal, the other bad guys,
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the bad guys who are going to take over the
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skyscraper and basically essentially become Hans Gruber and his team,
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they intercept with rocket launchers and machine guns, and you know,
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and this is PM saying like, don't worry, guys, I
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know this is an Anna Nicole Smith, you know, softcore.
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Put it on the shelves, get fourteen year old boys
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to watch this, but don't worry. We're going to pack
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it full of ridiculous action as well, so don't worry
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about it. And they blow up an entire alleyway full
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of cars and then they escape with the suitcase thing,
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and then they hire Anna Nicole Smith to take them
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around the city because they have to pick up four
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other bits. You can't just guys, when you get a
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suitcase mcguffin. You can't just open that suitcase and mcguffin everywhere.
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You have to pick up four other little bits of
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what looked like circuit board or little bits of circuit
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board that you need to then stick in your mcguffin
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in order to make it work. Because nothing can be easy.
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So we then essentially again, we're still following the villains. Yes,
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Anaichole Smith is flying them around, but it's not like
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they're engaging with her very much. And what is amazing
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is that when they filmed the helicopter, you would think
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Anaichole Smith was sitting six feet away from the person
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she sat next to, but you wouldn't. I mean, essentially
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she'd be sat more or less right next to them.
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But the way they film it is what's interesting is
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Anna Nichole Smith is never filmed at the same time
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as the other people in the helicopter. It's like they're
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filmed in separate. In situations most.
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Of her lions are like not step by her in
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a close stup. It's from far or like abr like.
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Oh, the whole movie. The whole movie is almost ideodd.
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Yeah, And also the scenes where she's flying the helicopter
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a lot of the shots concentrated on just her hands
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with those crazy nails. Yeah, so you know, they could
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overdub anything they want because there's a lot of nails shots.
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Like it's very like almost like an ad for Lee
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Press on nails. You could you can fly a plane girl?
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Yes, No, I mean, look, it's odd because there is
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so and I wanted to get into this because maybe
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we just talked about it. But essentially I'll finish it up.
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She goes to the skyscraper. She gets in braled in
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the fact that these guys lock down this super high
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text skyscraper. They locked some hostages in with them. No
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one really knows what they're trying to do. They're trying
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to get the suitcase back, right she she took the suitcase,
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so ran away with the suitcase and they're trying to
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get back or something. She put it in a garbage
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cart that a guy was Jamaican garbage handler was pushing
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around this office block. And then yeah, they have to
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get it back and then they have to track it
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down and it basically becomes die Hard in Yeah, it's
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like die Hard. It's it's you know, we for years
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we had die Hard on a plane, die Hard in
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a boat, die Hard in a city, die Hard in
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a hospital, die Hard wherever. We had die Hard clones
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all over the place, and PEM Entertainment showed up and went,
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it's fine, it's like die Hard but in a skyscraper.
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And everyone went, wait, isn't die Hard die Hard in
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a skyscraper? And they went shut up.
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Probably what happened? Yeah, except yeah, this has ended the
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Cole Smith as a helicopter pilot. That's pretty much the difference, right.
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And so the whole thing that's weird about this movie
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from a PM entertainment standpoint is that there is sort
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of especially at this point in nineteen ninety six when
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this movie comes out, right, So there's a whole thing
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in nineteen ninety six. This is the first year, I
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believe it's the first year where they make ten movies
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in one year, right, And so what you find watching
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a lot of those movies is that there are two
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types of PM. There are the ones where they have
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clearly put all the PM all stars on the show
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and they put a lot of time, a lot of energy,
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a lot of effort into them, and it's a big
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PM production number. And then there are ones like Skyscraper,
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where really the only PM regular that is involved in
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Skyscraper outside of obviously Joseph and Rick as producers is
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Jim Halfpenny, who is the composer. He did a whole bunch.
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Everyone else, while they have worked on one or two
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PM films, are certainly not what you would call a
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PM all star. The other one I forgot to mention
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is col S McKay does the stunts for this. He
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is obviously a big PM regular. But when you look
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at nineteen ninety six, we're talking The Sweeper, Skyscraper, Tiger Heart,
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the Silence is Pure Danger, Dark Breed, Riot obviously like Riot,
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Dark Breed, Pure Danger and the Sweeper are all ones
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that they have really backed, like big time with all
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the guys that you want to see. And I said
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it was the first year they did ten films, but no,
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they do eight films. Sorry, in ninety six.
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It's pretty close.
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Yeah, it's pretty close.
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With the Jack Scalia there, you got Dark.
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Right, and they're all they're all great, Like I've seen
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all those other films and they're all like the best
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PM has to Like, Pure Danger is phenomenal, and Riot
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is obviously fantastic, and Dark Breed and Silences are two
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of their best sci fi ones. And the Sweeper, which
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we covered last time, is obviously a great one. And
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so it makes me think about Skyscraper, which is so
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the the director has only made. I think he made
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some very early ones. He made Angels of the City,
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East La Warriors, American Born, and he does to the
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limit with Anaa Cole Smith, which was the first time
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they worked with her, and I believe was dating her
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at the time as well, because I believe this is
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pre marrying a billionaire on his deathbed, Anna Na Cole Smith.
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That Martino, yes, Raymond Martino. And so what I don't
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have the answer to and what I'm really fascinated by
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is did Anna Na Cole Smith demand but just because
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she was having that moment, that zeitgeist, that you know,
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that that thing where it was like for three or
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four years, it's the Annaa Cole Smith years, you know
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what I mean. She wasn't like famous for decades, but
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she was famous for a very key moment in the nineties.
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Is it that Anaa Cole Smith demanded so much money
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to be in the film that everything else needed to
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be low key? And sheep like, for example, there's one
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bit in this movie that was clearly filmed in the
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video vault at the PM Entertainment offices. They just hanged
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plastic couple of the videos. Oh yeah, no, I know, right,
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just in case any blood or squibs, you know, get
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on any of the video casings. They have this plastic
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hanging around. Anyway, it makes no sense whatsoever. So I
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don't know. Is it that she changed so much that
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they were like, you know this, this this doesn't make
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any sense unless we cheap it up. Or is it
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that they didn't have the full belief in her that
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they cheaped out on the movie compared to all the
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other movies I'm making that year, you know what I mean.
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So I don't know what the answer is that question,
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but I think that why I say it to the
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Anna Nicole Smith of it all is and to answer
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one of your questions earlier, I think there is a
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version of this movie, even with Anna Nicole Smith in it,
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that if it was you know, written by Jacobson Hart
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and shot by either Ken Blakey or Rick Peppin, or
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you know, had more involvement from the PM All Stars,
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that the guys that make the movies we all love
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and keep talking about. And if they paired her dialogue
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back and just made just reduced her to like like
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Arnie when he was a terminator, Like they just reduced
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her to one liner's quips and you know, let's go
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over here, you know, like directions. Right, if you just
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reduced her whole character just down so it was more
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Anonacole Smith, the icon and then she but she didn't
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have to do any big heavy lifting. And then you
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surrounded her with you know, great character actors, one martial
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artist that recognizable, maybe like a you know, maybe a
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Jeff Speakman or maybe a Jeff Winkt or maybe a
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one or Zagarino even or or a Lorenzo Lamas or
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someone right, and you reduced her to just like quips
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and one liners and directions, and you made this movie.
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Put a bit more effort, time and energy into this movie.
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Could she have been good in that scenario in a
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PM film, Yes, I believe so. I think there's enough
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in this movie to lead you to believe that if
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they had reduced her acting quote unquote, did she you know,
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running around, you know, talking to a little kid hiding
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under a desk, shooting a gun like she's fine at
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all those things. So those are the questions that I
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left the movie with. I'm like, did they cheap out
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just because they'd spent all their money on all the
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other movies? Did they cheap out because she was requesting
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so much money to be in one of these movies?
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Did they cheap out because To the Limit came out
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before this movie and they were like it bombed? Like
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those are the questions that I have around this movie.
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Over to you guys, Well, what I would say about
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all that is, like all the PM movies at this time,
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it still looks good. You know, it's very bright, you know,
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it's you can see everything, as opposed to a lot
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of movies of today that are very dark. It's very
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well lit, it's very well shot. So I don't think
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they cheaped out in those technical departments.
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And certainly, certainly, except except that Frank harris Is who
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shot it, is not exactly known for phenomenal cinematography. When
474
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you look at this I recently did to be the
475
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:24.319
best which Rick shot in, Rick Peppin shot in Vegas.
476
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:28.400
And while yes, this looks fine for what it is,
477
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:32.519
it's not a patch on if Rick or Kenna directed
478
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:33.880
shot it.
479
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:36.079
I mean, I'm just saying it's it's clear and bright.
480
00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:39.119
I'm not saying he's yes, Rio Storo. I'm basically saying
481
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:42.680
that you can see it and and and PM does
482
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:44.960
have a history of kind of putting people that were
483
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.319
in the zeitgeist in movies. Case in point, Tracy Lords
484
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.000
and O. J. Simpson. Right, I guess a question could
485
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.720
be were PM trying to do with Anna Nicole Smith
486
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:58.440
what they did with Tracy Lords, which maybe you know,
487
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:00.839
put it on box covers, give her like a career
488
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:03.039
after her adult career, and see what happens.
489
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:07.440
She's three of us three, right, Well, she's in two movies.
490
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:12.319
And then they do that Anna Nicole Smith Exposed, which
491
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:16.119
they produced and put out on their label. But it's
492
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:16.799
not a movie.
493
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:18.880
So it could be that they were just trying to
494
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:21.599
do something like that, like try to emulate the success
495
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:24.079
I would imagine as a success. You could tell me,
496
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:28.599
but what with Tracy Lord's and try to replicate that formula,
497
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.240
And they probably felt like they had not a lot
498
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:34.759
to lose. They say, let's try this and we'll see
499
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.839
what happens. And so I think that's a factor, you know, say, Okay,
500
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:40.720
we did it with OJ, we did it with Tracy.
501
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:43.079
Let's let's see what happens with Anna. No.
502
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.880
Completely, I think that's a big part of it.
503
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:47.039
No.
504
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.839
I think the Anna Nicole Smith zeitgey such as it was,
505
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:56.440
and PM being PM. And I think the promise of nudity,
506
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:58.640
which again I don't know if that bumped up her
507
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:01.920
price or something. I don't know. I think I understand.
508
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:06.279
I fully understand why PM made this movie and why
509
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:09.720
they put it out. I also understand why years later
510
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.519
it's essentially the most well known of the PM films,
511
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:17.920
even by people who don't know that it's a PM film,
512
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:23.440
because of riff tracks and because of the you know,
513
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.519
so bad it's good, you know, low budget film watching
514
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.079
of stuff like Samurai carp and The Room.
515
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:31.960
Yeah. I mean I would put this in kind of
516
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.200
a different category personally, But I get what you're saying.
517
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.039
No, No, I would as well. But I'm saying that
518
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:37.599
there are a lot of people out there on Internet
519
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.839
land that that's how they watch this movie, right, Okay, yeah, yeah,
520
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.640
I'm not saying that's how I watch it. I'm saying
521
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.480
that's how I think they watch it, and why it's
522
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.519
still more popular than say some of the ones we
523
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:51.000
truly love but aren't known as well.
524
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:53.720
And the radar of these other like the Sweeper is
525
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:55.519
not going to be on these radars.
526
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:57.400
Right, not like that, not as a thing you can
527
00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:59.079
kind of mock and ride.
528
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.319
I don't mark this one a little bit. I mean,
529
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:04.960
if you go as you go to my notes.
530
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:07.599
While you do that, I have a quick log dad
531
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.519
to John's fire here, which is and Nicole Smith is
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listed as an associate producer. Yes, so that could be
533
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.279
a factor in all this in terms of your questions,
534
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.519
And to paraphrase Katie Perry, she puts the ass an
535
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:24.359
associate producer right.
536
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:27.680
No, And I also think like maybe it was you know,
537
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:31.039
Raymond Martine. And again I haven't looked into these, like
538
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.359
I could research it probably a lot better. But and
539
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:36.519
I apologize to the listening several that I have not
540
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:39.599
done that. But he did a lot of early work
541
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.119
with PM. As I said, Angels of the City, East
542
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.880
LA Warriors, American Born. These are all from like eighty
543
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:49.079
nine to ninety. And it may have been that he
544
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:55.079
started dating her and went to Rick and Joseph and said, hey,
545
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.559
do you want to like get Anna in a movie. Yeah,
546
00:30:58.559 --> 00:30:59.480
because I'm dating that.
547
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.880
I mean, because what is an associate producer? Really, it's
548
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:08.160
just you know, you put your name on it, and which.
549
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.319
They did with Gary Daniels, They've done with Jeff Winktt.
550
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:11.400
Like some of those later movies that those guys were in,
551
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:14.440
they were also down as producer. I think speak Boom
552
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:16.680
was down as a producer on Land of the Free.
553
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.480
I think they well something to be proud of, for sure,
554
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:21.240
right exactly.
555
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:23.279
I just want to mention some of the notes I have.
556
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.480
You know, if you watch There's you know, There's What
557
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:30.519
To and the cole biopics, right, so one as will
558
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:35.400
Afford will Afford and one as Agnus Buckner, and I've
559
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:37.920
seen both. I think you have to The Agnes one
560
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:42.039
mentioned skyscraper, like there's like some like shady producers like
561
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:46.680
water being Skyscraper. I don't know how accurate that is,
562
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:48.720
but at least that one mentioned skyscraper.
563
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.559
Yeah, they don't mention it in the will Afford one, No,
564
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.440
but I mean it's it's you know again, I think,
565
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.400
and I don't know the history or the timeline of
566
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:03.200
their relationship, but even as an actor, Raymond Martino had
567
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:04.599
been in City Lights.
568
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.000
He was in Mayhem in nineteen eighty six, which is
569
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.720
a city Lights movie that Joe did before PM. And
570
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:14.000
he was in La Heat and Emperor of the Bronx
571
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:15.960
and Night of the Wilding like he was in Living
572
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.359
to Die with Wings House. So he's acted, written, and
573
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:23.920
directed a lot of the early PM. He doesn't do
574
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:30.160
much after Skyscraper. He comes back and he writes the
575
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:34.039
screenplay to Exposed Anaa Cole Smith. I thought it was
576
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:35.920
a documentary, so I don't know what the screenplay is.
577
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.599
And he directed one episode of the TV series two
578
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:44.079
episodes sorry of the TV series La Heat, But in
579
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:48.960
general he stops working with PM as a writer director
580
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:50.640
after Skyscraper.
581
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.039
Well, I mean that makes sense. I mean why mess
582
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:57.559
with perfection? I mean, go on a high. Yes, it's
583
00:32:57.640 --> 00:32:59.559
quit while you're on top, but kind of you know.
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00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:01.880
So the move of the opens with a wink's eye
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00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:06.240
view of l A. Yes, you see the city from
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00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.279
the helicopter's point of view, and you see the nails.
587
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:10.960
Then you hear her her voice, which I'm sure it
588
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.279
is her voice. She has a very distinctive voice because
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00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:18.240
it's she's Yeah, she still has her Texas accent, and
590
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:20.880
so I'm sure if there was dubbing, I'm I'm sure
591
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.559
she dubbed herself and uh and complete with pauses, like
592
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:27.279
there's some great pauses I've looked as this tie knows.
593
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.279
I'm a I'm a big fan of quote unquote bad
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00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:33.240
acting or flat acting, and she's a great one. She's
595
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:37.279
really flat, but she's flat with that accent and uh
596
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.039
and even with the pauses like I didn't write down
597
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:41.640
the exact quote, but she's like, what are you doing?
598
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:44.720
And it's almost shot in her ask speaking of land.
599
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.440
To the free William Carvell.
600
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:51.079
Yeah. So, so I just wanted to point that out.
601
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:52.920
As far as her, you know, we're talking about her
602
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:57.000
voice and I enjoy listening to her voice, and I
603
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:01.039
thought that was one of the line He's like, I
604
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:05.839
excuse me for believing against Sunny wats baby. Yeah that's great. Yeah,
605
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:06.680
that's a great one too.
606
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.760
That's the line I think it's like, But.
607
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.840
That's what I mean. In my version of this movie,
608
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:18.599
you would you would strip any of the unnecessary character
609
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.079
stuff with her and her husband and wanting babies and
610
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:26.440
blah blah blah blah blah, Like the only way like
611
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:30.159
the only way to pay off the baby thing would
612
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:33.920
have been if because later in the movie, there is
613
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.880
a woman who is inexplicably dressed exactly like Anna Nicole,
614
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:41.519
same hair, every yah who has blonde hair, and who
615
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.800
for no apparent reason, has brought her eleven year old
616
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.639
son who acts like he's five. That kid is not five.
617
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:51.840
I know, everyone treats him like he's five, but he's
618
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.639
like ten or eleven years old. That kid, who is
619
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.320
much like Danny and the Shining, just riding a trike
620
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.920
around an office building for no good reason.
621
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.840
No whoever expected. There's even a couple of Shining esque
622
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:08.559
low to the ground, big wheel shots that that's a
623
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:10.440
real kid. Yeah, that's a real son.
624
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.199
And I love his I love his life. Beat Deep Road.
625
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:18.159
And that character gets a name. His name is Billy
626
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:18.840
Ray Johnson.
627
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:23.360
It is he has a full full name that he gives.
628
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:25.079
Me like Billy Ray Johnson. I was thinking, well, it
629
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:28.119
was the nineties and Billy Ray Cyrus was very high.
630
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:31.119
The fact that his name is Billy Ray could be
631
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:31.880
a reference to.
632
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:35.320
That, right, and that wait, that's on it, Nicole Smith's
633
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:39.400
real son. Yes, okay, And what's interesting is that, uh,
634
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.360
and I want to see, if I'm right, when was
635
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:43.239
he born? I want to see what age she was?
636
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:43.760
Right?
637
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:44.800
Well, why you do that?
638
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:48.360
So he was born in nineteen eighty six, so he's okay,
639
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:51.400
he's nine when they make this, but he's no difference. Yeah,
640
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:53.599
you know, everyone's treating him like he's full.
641
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:57.039
You know, it's not just that this woman has brought
642
00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.760
her son with his big wheel to her office. Yes,
643
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:01.400
but also he has a dog with him too.
644
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:03.920
You're right, he has a little puppy as well. And
645
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.920
this is the thing, is that if you set all
646
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.960
that up right, based on the you know, the Chekhov's
647
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:16.079
gun version of storytelling. You set up at the beginning
648
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:19.239
that Anna Nicole Smith desperately wants a child. Right, you
649
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.320
set up the fact that her husband is not giving
650
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.800
her a child. Right, The only way to end this
651
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:28.360
movie correctly? Oh, you set up there's a woman who
652
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.559
looks exactly like her in the same clothes who gets
653
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:34.400
shot by some bad guys, and that she has to
654
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.960
look after the sun and keep the kid safe. Right,
655
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:42.960
you'd think the only way to end this movie is
656
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:47.400
that his mother really died from that bullet, right, that
657
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:53.519
the cop her husband gets killed, and that her consolation
658
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:57.400
prize is that she gets to walk away with the kid. Right.
659
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.480
That's how you would end the movie. If you were
660
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:05.440
writing any other mid nineties action film which started with
661
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.679
someone saying I really want a baby, you know what
662
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.480
I mean, right, you would start you would end it
663
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:13.800
like that. Instead, for some reason, this movie ends with
664
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.360
just everyone being alive and it all being fine, and
665
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:19.679
you kind of go, but what was the point of
666
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:24.320
all that horrible, painful dialogue about wanting babies in the
667
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:28.000
park on Sunday? Like, get jettison that, like, get rid
668
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:29.519
of it out of the beginning of the movie. If
669
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:31.679
you're not going to pay it off, don't have it,
670
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:32.199
you know what I mean?
671
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:32.719
Right?
672
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:36.239
And because at the end, uh, mister Wing just says, okay,
673
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.400
I give basically you wore me down. Yeah, it's just
674
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.280
like it done in one little piece of dialogue at
675
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:43.400
the end, and everybody you know, hugs and walks off
676
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:44.519
in the sunset.
677
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.119
And yeah, go ahead.
678
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:48.599
Sorry, I was just gonna say, because the mom who
679
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.360
was in the office with no other office workers around
680
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:53.599
on that floor, who looks just like her, was shot.
681
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:57.199
But she's gonna make it well, understand, Yeah, yeah.
682
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.400
And this is also weird because it's like they have
683
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:04.360
all these hostages, but then as the movie goes on,
684
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:08.000
they kind of go, oh, you forgot a few right right,
685
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:10.800
and on some of the high walls they were just
686
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:16.039
people working away completely way that they're like explosions going off,
687
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:17.719
gunfire and everything.
688
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.320
And I can't. I have to mention this, you know,
689
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.880
just definitely for our buddy Matt the DTV because there
690
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:28.719
the guy got the bud Dry truck. Yeah, the bud
691
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:32.840
Dry trick. Yeah, I know, depending on you know which
692
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:34.800
copy you're watching. I took note of the time, but
693
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:38.239
the infamous bud Dry truck shows up five minutes and
694
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.079
twenty five seconds into the movie. We get, so not
695
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:43.360
long after the start of the movie, we get we get,
696
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:45.039
we get the bud Dry truck.
697
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:46.800
And yeah, I had to mention that.
698
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:50.000
Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that. And I agree with
699
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:52.800
what John was saying earlier, which is it's like, yeah,
700
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:55.360
this might have endicose with but don't worry, because we're
701
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:57.039
gonna give you a bang up action scene. And this
702
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:58.760
one is a really a good one. The one in
703
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.679
the alley that's the ends up with a lot.
704
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:03.960
Of really good one really good one like Last Man's
705
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:05.360
Standing that was really amazing.
706
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.679
And there's one shot and that that's really incredible. And
707
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:10.920
I don't think this was done on purpose. It's like
708
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.360
a one second shot. You guys might remember it, Like
709
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.280
the car is driving away and it's on fire and
710
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:19.480
this like bit of fire comes in the window and
711
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:21.920
like the actors go, WHOA Like I don't think they
712
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:24.039
knew that was going to happen. And it's it's amazing,
713
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:26.320
It's it looked genuinely dangerous.
714
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And while we're talking about movies, it rips off. Did
715
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you notice the little nod to reservoir.
716
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Dog I did I have that in my I have
717
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that in my notes. It's like, okay, it's nineteenninety six.
718
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:37.760
There's a guy bleeding in the back of the car.
719
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:40.800
This it's very reservoir dogsy in.
720
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But I have to say high marks the PM Entertainment
721
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:49.599
for tracking down Darren McBee, because if you're gonna have
722
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:53.000
Anaacole Smith face off with someone, they better be as
723
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:56.360
ludicrous as she is, because she's a ludicrous human being, right.
724
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.719
And I don't mean this as a negative or a pejorative.
725
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:06.119
I just I just mean she's she's she's unlike, she
726
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:10.639
doesn't look like anybody else, right, She's sort of she's
727
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:14.639
sort of tall, obviously excessively curvacious. You know, she's got
728
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:18.159
big hips, big boobs, whatever. She's tall. Her face is
729
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:21.960
sort of you know, her eyes might be beautiful, but
730
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:24.280
then her chin and her lips are sort of weirdly,
731
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:29.760
you know, roided out mannish kind of. She looks odd.
732
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:33.039
I'm just saying she's not like a traditional kind of beauty.
733
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:36.480
She obviously had a whole Marilyn Monroe thing that's clearly
734
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:39.079
hinted at in this movie and and also in her
735
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:44.039
analyst Nicole Smith exposed screenshots that I've seen. I've not
736
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seen the movie, but I've seen the stuff on IMDb
737
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:51.280
where clearly she is aping Monroe and she's she is
738
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:54.440
larger than life like, she is like literally, she she
739
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:59.400
is a very There are two countries on Earth that
740
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.159
would produce someone like Anna, Nicole Smith, and it's either
741
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:04.599
America or Russia. You know what I mean? Those are
742
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:09.000
the two countries that produce these just insane looking people.
743
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:10.480
Do you know what I mean? And I don't. Again,
744
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:13.400
I just mean that as a as an observation, Well,
745
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.000
if you're gonna have her fight off against the terrorist,
746
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:20.199
find Darren McBee, because he is He's like if someone
747
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:24.360
put Anna Cule Smith in a turn this person male,
748
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.159
you know, like fly machine, like from Jeff Goblin in
749
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:31.320
the Fly, and you just put Anatacule Smith and like
750
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:36.559
Fabio in a machine and they welded together. That's Darren McBee.
751
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.760
Well, I have some similar thoughts in my notes too.
752
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:43.039
It's kind of like, you know, you know the scene
753
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.360
where it's the Diehards scene, which is kind of like
754
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:50.239
on the window washers line. They could have gotten Malibu
755
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:53.320
to do the stunt double for that for her, you know,
756
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.239
because physically they're kind of similar, like they have similar hair,
757
00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:59.719
they seem to be of a similar height, and you
758
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:04.440
know he he has kind of feminine hair and he's
759
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.079
and as a terrorist, he's wearing a man blouse, so
760
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:11.320
you know, it's not like a not quite the mirror match. Ty,
761
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:13.719
what's the one where I said it's like a Mortal Kombat. Oh,
762
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:17.400
it's it's a Frank Zagarino movie that I can't Uh,
763
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:19.280
David Shark Freelik, is it?
764
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:22.159
I know what you're talking about? A project eliminator.
765
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:24.280
Yeah, so he said's like, because you can't tell who's
766
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.840
who what's Thankfully the movie was smart enough to make
767
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.280
sure that they had a fight scene. So Malibu and
768
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:34.000
nchall Smith have a fight scene, and it is sometimes
769
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.440
tough to tell who was on which side. You know,
770
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:38.599
they do have some physical similarities.
771
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.039
Malibu, he's American gladiators.
772
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:48.280
Oh I see, I'm sorry, that's where he's from. I
773
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.119
got it. Okay, So if I say.
774
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.079
Malbout doron McBee, it's like interchangeable.
775
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:56.760
Understood, right because his character name is Lee Demaya, Right, I.
776
00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.760
Wonder if that's a reference to Animal House with a
777
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:01.440
is their need of my hand?
778
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:04.400
Yeah? I mean I think it's more just that they
779
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:06.880
have And this is something else I want to get on.
780
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:14.800
You know, the villains. We've got Zakhov, Nikim Jack and Ledermeyer.
781
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:19.400
And what's funny is so they've they've essentially gone well,
782
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.000
no one can do a convincing German accent. Well, no
783
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:24.599
one can do any convincing accents in this movie at all.
784
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:28.679
All of the accents are absolutely terrible. Even the Jamaican
785
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:32.440
garbage hander is like an atrocious accent, and that might
786
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:35.000
be his real accent, but it's just not an authentic
787
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:39.559
sounding accent. But the funny thing is is none of
788
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:45.320
the villains are doing They're all doing just a random accent.
789
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.760
Like none of them, you know, none of them are
790
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.159
doing whatever accent that they think they're doing well.
791
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:56.079
I think, you know, after Diehard, you know, they became
792
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:57.760
kind of a cliche in these movies to have a
793
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.119
quote unquote euro trash baddie. You know, Hans Gruber was
794
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:03.679
kind of the archetype of the eurotrash. So they figured,
795
00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:05.480
let's get a couple. You know, we have a guy
796
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:10.039
doing entirely convincing French accent, and we have yeah, I
797
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:13.079
guess that would be Jacques and don't forget that Jacques
798
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:16.840
or Goonvin Fuller. He was snaked underwood, last man standing.
799
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:19.639
The villain he is, he is, what's what's he keeps saying,
800
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.400
I'm the swashbuckler, baby, I'm Errol Flynn, I'm the swashbucker.
801
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:24.360
That was his whole thing.
802
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:27.559
In lest it's interestingly enough, they kind of gave this
803
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.920
like a quick swing at a German accent because remember
804
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:34.199
like the whole kind of beginning subplot with the They're
805
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.400
like security guards, but they're bad guys and they're working
806
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.840
for the for the whole team there, and they arrest
807
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:41.599
the guy. You know, they have him in customers.
808
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:43.840
Oh yeah, yeah, he certainly puts on an accent.
809
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.440
Yeah, out of nowhere, out of nowhere, he goes like, hi, Frau,
810
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:49.639
lines like he weren't German two minutes ago.
811
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:54.559
No, you definitely would great eyes though, great goggly eyes,
812
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:57.840
like he's he's I see. I would have had him
813
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.280
and Fuller in more of the movie, and I would
814
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:03.000
have got rid of I would have got rid of
815
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:06.639
the leather pants guy who the guy who liked the
816
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:12.719
other guy. Yeah, he's he's the guy who molestso in
817
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:14.440
the scene where they're like, well, we've got to get
818
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.400
one more boob scene, and I'm like, right, but does
819
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.679
it have to be a grotesque quasi rape, like I
820
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.639
really wish it wasn't. But anyway, that guy, the leather pants,
821
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:28.679
sleeveless tank, that guy, he just looks ridiculous. He's such
822
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:31.360
a non entity. I would have got rid of him,
823
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.599
and I would have had the goggle eyed guy live
824
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:35.000
to the end.
825
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.760
I could see that because Fuller does kind of fall
826
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:41.119
prey to that I'm looking at a bunch of screens syndrome.
827
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:43.079
He doesn't really do a lot other than that.
828
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:45.519
Oh no, Fuller they had for one day and they
829
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:48.920
just filmed him in a dark room looking at But it's.
830
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:51.440
Kind of my theory on this, besides trying to you know,
831
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:54.440
be consistent with the eurotrash battie, is maybe that was
832
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:58.079
their attempt to have some very cheap production value. It's
833
00:45:58.119 --> 00:45:59.960
kind of like, oh, these guys are from around the world,
834
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.760
you know, we can add a bit of production value.
835
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:04.599
We have a French guy, we have a German guy,
836
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.719
we have a Jamaican guy. Oh, this is our production value.
837
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.920
You know, right, Yeah, And again, I just think it's
838
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:12.960
one of those things where and I don't say this
839
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:16.519
about PM films very often. Normally a PM film when
840
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:18.480
it's as I say, they have when they have the
841
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.159
all stars working on it and not this isn't even
842
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.519
I wouldn't even call this the B team. This is
843
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:25.519
like the D team working on this, you know what
844
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:29.000
I mean. But except Cole s McKay, who is obviously
845
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.119
a list and phenomenal and and and the stunts at
846
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.440
the beginning of the movie and even in the middle
847
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:40.039
of the movie show that Cole was obviously at least
848
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.079
crafted a couple of great set pieces for the film,
849
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.760
which definitely end up saving the film. But had they
850
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:49.559
had they had like at least the A or the
851
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.880
B team for PM Entertainment, I don't think there would
852
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:56.519
be so many situations where you look at it and
853
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.559
you just go, well, I just jettison that, get rid
854
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.320
of that, change that. Like I don't normally watch a
855
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:05.079
PM tainment film and go, God, there's such a good
856
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:08.119
movie here. But if I could just tweak this, tweak that,
857
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:12.280
redo that. Whereas watching this, all I saw all the
858
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:15.039
way through was I was like, it's fun, it's a rump,
859
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.960
it's enjoyable, it's certainly you know, I would give it
860
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:21.119
five rather than three. I think IMDb gives it three
861
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:22.440
out of ten. I would I would give it a
862
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:23.880
bit more than that, because it is fun and it
863
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:27.800
is silly, and it is enjoyable, and I certainly am
864
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.360
not going to shit on it from a great high.
865
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:34.000
I'm more being coming at it from well, let's look
866
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:37.000
at it as a legitimate movie. Let's take away the
867
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:38.920
fact that it's a die hard rip off. Let's take
868
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:41.440
away the fact that you know they didn't throw the
869
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.559
A team at it, right, Let's look at it as well,
870
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:49.119
We're gonna make a concerted effort to make Anna Nicole
871
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.920
Smith an action star. Right, And they do at least
872
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.760
do that. They make a very concerted effort to make
873
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.920
try and make Ana Nicole Smith an action star. I
874
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:03.920
just think that at there are a few bits in
875
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:07.519
it from a plot standpoint where I'm just like, I
876
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:11.440
don't know why you did that when the answer to
877
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:16.639
making it a better film is so fucking obvious, you
878
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:18.480
know what I mean. It's so staring you in the
879
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:21.119
face the few tweaks they could have made with this
880
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.039
to make it a better PM film, And I just
881
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:28.320
feel like no one will do it really paying attention.
882
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:34.519
Yeah, but that in itself provides some entertainment value because
883
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.639
they kind of head scratching nature of the movie I
884
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:39.960
do believe adds to the entertainment.
885
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:45.119
And yes, I just I worry about Like again, I'm
886
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.760
like you, I'm not someone who watches a movie to
887
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:50.480
laugh at it. I would rather laugh with it, right,
888
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:54.039
And I'm not someone who's gonna be like, oh, it's
889
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:57.039
so dumb that this happens. So that happens or that.
890
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.719
But you know, I mean, look, it's like shooting fish
891
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.920
in a barrel. If you want to like pick holes
892
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:08.280
in Skyscraper, right, why why do that. I'm trying to
893
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.360
just be more reasonable about it. I'm trying to be
894
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:14.639
more I'm trying to come at it like it's, you know,
895
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.239
one of the better PM films, and I'm trying to
896
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:19.320
do it a little justice and just saying if you
897
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:24.159
just change this tweak that, remove that plot point because
898
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:27.639
it doesn't work at a couple more set pieces. Apart
899
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:31.000
from that, it is. It's a fun, silly rump. It
900
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:33.719
does what you want it to do. Like anyone renting
901
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:36.440
Skyscraper at fourteen years old in nineteen ninety six is
902
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:37.360
not disappointed.
903
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:39.159
No, I don't think, Oh they can't be.
904
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:40.760
Yeah.
905
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:44.800
So, and also let's not forget there's rocket vision. So
906
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.159
when there's some couple of scenes with rocket launchers, you
907
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:49.800
see a bit of from the rockets point of view,
908
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:54.519
and they took the time to do that, and certainly
909
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:59.400
in that great Alleyway action scene they clearly put I
910
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:01.440
think put them most amount of time and effort probably
911
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.079
in that. And yeah, I think they came then they
912
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:05.800
that came up a winner. Like I think if someone
913
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:09.199
is making a top ten PM action scenes that could
914
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:09.440
go in.
915
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:12.239
It, I think a thousand, Yes, a thousand, and I
916
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.760
think that's what they brought Coles McKay in four. I
917
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:18.760
can't imagine Coles McKay was on set the whole time,
918
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:21.599
because he was. I know that he at least did
919
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.920
two other of the movies that they shot this year,
920
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.880
that particular year, but so I can't imagine he was
921
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:31.760
he was on set the whole time. But that feels
922
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:35.639
to me that opening feels like, bring colon and orchestrate
923
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:38.920
an incredible twenty minute action sequence so we can get
924
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:40.960
away with the second half of the movie.
925
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:45.119
Earn it. I get saying you earn it, so show this,
926
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:47.639
and then the audience can kind of coast a little bit,
927
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.840
you know, saying, Okay, well, whatever comes next comes next.
928
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:54.719
But at least we had that, yes, and so, yeah,
929
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:56.760
you mentioned the Marilyn Monroe thing, and yeah she had.
930
00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:00.480
I guess Carrie wink Has also is obsessed with Marilyn
931
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:04.039
Monroe because there are two bits that we see of
932
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:06.840
Marilyn Monroe artwork in her apartment.
933
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:10.440
And I wonder if that wasn't Annonacule Smith's real apartment.
934
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:13.400
Especially with the connection with Martino, it very well could
935
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:16.159
have been, especially because I think, I don't know if
936
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:17.960
you noticed this, and I could be wrong, but on
937
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:20.920
the night stand next to her bed, there's actually a
938
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:24.719
picture of her of Annonicole Smith. Yes, so you got
939
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:27.519
two Monroe's and a Smith. And they didn't bother to
940
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:30.920
say maybe we should not have this. They left that
941
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:32.599
in right, and.
942
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:37.000
It looks like a you know, fairly high end for
943
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.719
nine to ninety six penthouse apartment, like I could believe
944
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.199
she lived there. You know, it's called you know, huge
945
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:47.079
vistas of LA and a big wrap around windowed living room.
946
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:49.880
Yeah, and I was thinking, yeah, hell Escort must pay
947
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:55.000
Hella good because right because I think in LA that
948
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.039
today it have to be multimillions, oh.
949
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:01.000
At least, yeah, even with that beij competing.
950
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:02.199
Right.
951
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:04.079
Well, it was the nineties, and that is something I
952
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.119
want to mention, but I guess we can mention now.
953
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.400
It is part of the enjoyment for this movie today,
954
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:14.280
I believe, is the nineties nostalgia. You look back and
955
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:16.079
you see what people are wearing, and you see the
956
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.440
decor and everything, and that you remember seeing it on
957
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:20.880
Skin and Max or going to the video store as
958
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:24.920
a great example, And so it does have that nineties
959
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:27.719
nostalgia factory. I'm just as upset about anyone that there
960
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:29.880
is such a thing as nineties nostalgia. To me, it's
961
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:34.760
almost too recent, But I guess it isn't. So yeah,
962
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:37.440
yeah it was, And so I think part of what
963
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:40.559
else makes this movie go down smooth and easy like
964
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:43.760
a fine wine is on top of everything we've mentioned
965
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.159
thus far, there's also the nineties nostalgia factor.
966
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:49.559
But isn't it Isn't it interesting when we talk about
967
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.599
nineties nostalgia because I mean definitely as someone who's doing
968
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.880
a PM stainment podcast, and as someone who PM entertainment's
969
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:59.480
prime decade is the nineties. Yes, they started in the
970
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:02.440
late eighties, but like their prime decade is the entirety
971
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:06.559
of the nineties, I guess this podcast is part of
972
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:10.920
nineties nostalgia, even tangentially, even if it's not what we
973
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:13.480
talk about all the time. And what's funny is is
974
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:18.280
that while eighties nostalgia persists because it was such a
975
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:21.559
vibrant time and such an excite, or certainly the way
976
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:24.440
they paint the eighties now, the reality of the eighties
977
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:28.679
were nothing like what eighties nostalgia it's at all. It's
978
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:31.880
like when they talk about the sixties as if every
979
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:35.760
single person was at hate Ashbury dressed as a hippie,
980
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:38.679
dancing around and doing tons of drugs. That was literally
981
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.599
like cities on the planet, you know what I mean?
982
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:44.480
Yeah, I know, I'm seeing on the arms.
983
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:47.199
It's funny I mentioned that guy. I was just thinking
984
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:50.559
that too, well, because what is he today? Like, is
985
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:54.800
he still alive? What he is? But no, no, you're
986
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:56.519
I take your point. And also the other thing is
987
00:53:56.559 --> 00:54:00.320
there's a huge difference between nineteen sixty and nineteen sixty nine.
988
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.039
Of course, yes, no, I mean yeah, nineteen sixty is
989
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:06.039
I always say this, the decades that we talk about,
990
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:09.639
like the fifties, right, if we're talking about rockabilly and
991
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:12.280
rock and roll and whatever, that's really nineteen fifty five
992
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.079
to nineteen sixty five, like rock and roll is really.
993
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:20.280
And similarly, the sixties that people talk about the rise
994
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:23.800
of the hippie culture and psychedelia and and even the
995
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:28.000
come down afterwards is really nineteen sixty five to nineteen
996
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:31.519
seventy three, right, And then the eight then there's this
997
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:34.960
what we think of as the seventies, which is sort
998
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.079
of like seventy three to eighty three, and then what
999
00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:40.440
you think of as the eighties, which is sort of
1000
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:44.679
the you know, day glows, shell suits, coc and pepsi,
1001
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:50.960
Michael J. Fox, you know, MTV crazy, everything's neon, everything's bright,
1002
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:53.760
everything's crazy, every wonder all blah blah blah blah blah.
1003
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:58.159
It's really only like eighty four to eighty eight, and
1004
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:01.639
then the nineties come in in like eighty eight and
1005
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:05.000
persist all the way through till about two thousand and five.
1006
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:10.400
And it's this sort of there's no fashion that you
1007
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:13.440
could talk about, but when you see it, for example,
1008
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:16.480
the villain in Skyscraper bringing it back to Skyscraper, the
1009
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:19.480
main villain in this the one who talks like he
1010
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:22.159
talks like Matt Burry, like he talks like that in
1011
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:26.039
the movie Whears, and I remember these distinctly, and it
1012
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:30.920
was it's the nineties version of sixties nostalgia. Because the
1013
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:33.760
thing we have to remember is that in the nineties,
1014
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:36.639
the nostalgia was not for the eighties like it has
1015
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:38.920
been the last third the last thirty years, everyone has
1016
00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:43.679
had nostalgia for the eighties. But in the nineties there
1017
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:47.519
was sixties nostalgia. There was you know, another British invasion
1018
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:50.320
with like brit pop music and stuff like that. There
1019
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:52.760
was a bunch of like it's been thirty years since
1020
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:54.760
Sergeant Pepper, you know, there was all that kind of stuff.
1021
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:59.280
There was a lot of sixties nostalgia and the I
1022
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:01.800
don't know what you would call it, a cardigan, a vesta,
1023
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:04.280
a waistcoat, I don't know what you would call it,
1024
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:11.719
but those woolen sleeveless cardigan, waistcoat vest things. They were everywhere.
1025
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:14.880
They were everywhere, and like so many people, I had
1026
00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:19.800
one like and it's it's the nineties, but it's the sixties.
1027
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.400
But you only know it when you see it. You
1028
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:26.679
can't really pinpoint nineties clothing until you see it.
1029
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.559
Sorry, yeah, sorry, that could be a reference to you know,
1030
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:35.079
at first we think they're just generic batties, but really
1031
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.320
there are the People's Liberation Army or whatever they call it.
1032
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:44.000
So that sort of sixties nostalgia with that sort of
1033
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:49.159
knitwear vest or whatever that is could be like a
1034
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:53.239
tying into their sixties radical group type thing.
1035
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:55.480
But are they really that I thought he was just
1036
00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:56.679
pretending to be that.
1037
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.400
Well, he couldn't. That's a that's an open question. That's
1038
00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:02.400
one of the many questions skyscraper opens up. Is he
1039
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:04.599
really like about that or not?
1040
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.320
You know, Oh, I think he's making up something.
1041
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:09.360
Yeah, he could have been. He definitely could have been.
1042
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:13.480
But yeah, like even those like flowery sun dresses that
1043
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.000
Annon Nicole Smith wears. To me, that's like a very
1044
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:18.360
nineties look like you don't see a lot of women
1045
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:21.960
wearing those today, right, So that a very unpleasant sort
1046
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.440
of rape scene. Yeah, but that scene is cut. That
1047
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:29.079
rape scene is cut in the UK. Yes, just I
1048
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:31.480
just thought i'd bring that up, and also on the
1049
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:32.679
UK artwork.
1050
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:35.079
I mean, it's not really a rape scene. It was
1051
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:37.599
a rape, it's a it's a molestation, it's it's it's
1052
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.559
within the definition of rape. But there's no he doesn't
1053
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:41.119
have sex with that.
1054
00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:43.880
No, No, I mean think he he would have if
1055
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:47.320
Carrie Wink wasn't so resourceful. I think that's what he wanted, right,
1056
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:49.960
But but yeah, they cut some of that in the UK.
1057
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:52.519
And so I'm in the the UK box. I don't
1058
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.159
know if you guys saw this, but maybe this was
1059
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:56.199
a thing there, but you know, from Mad Dogs and
1060
00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:59.840
Englishmen as that movie with Elizabeth Early, right, you know,
1061
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.719
instead of saying what a good movie it is, or
1062
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:05.079
any sort of insightful quotes on the box, it says
1063
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.480
Liz Hurley gets her kid off. Yes, that's the quote. No,
1064
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:11.679
the same thing on this it says and Nicole Smith
1065
00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:12.519
gets her kid off.
1066
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:14.920
Right. I don't know if I left it in, but
1067
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:17.559
I had a whole conversation when we did the Zero
1068
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:20.159
Tolerance and we were talking about Robert Patrick. Obviously, one
1069
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.639
of the other films he did around the time he
1070
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:26.440
was doing Zero Tolerance was Cool Surface with Terry Hatcher,
1071
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:30.280
and there was a run of movies that came out
1072
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.920
in the UK on VHS, and the way they sold
1073
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:36.840
them to UK audience. I was still living in the
1074
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:39.639
UK and the time, obviously, the way they sold them
1075
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:44.199
to UK audiences was see the Star of you know
1076
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:48.840
TV or whatever naked. So there was a Gillian Anderson
1077
00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:52.360
one The Turning or something where there's very brief nudity,
1078
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.639
so they plastered that all over the front cover. There
1079
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:58.559
was Cool Surface with Terry Hatcher because she was in
1080
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:01.760
Superman at the time. It was like, you know, Superman's
1081
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:06.400
lowest lane gets her kit off, right, you have Anna
1082
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:10.800
Nicole Smith in this one. There was Elizabeth Hurley, you know,
1083
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:14.840
there were there were multiple movies that after. It must
1084
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.280
have been Austin Powers, I guess, but after whatever her
1085
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:21.039
big hit was that made her Elizabetharley. I know she
1086
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:24.559
was dating Hugh Grant through the whole prostitute scandal, so
1087
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:26.119
maybe it was just that Brown.
1088
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:29.920
Yeah, but you know, surprise PM didn't give her a shot.
1089
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:33.960
Right, She was knocking about a bunch of British straight
1090
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:38.159
to video early nineties movies and the moment she hit big,
1091
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:41.800
either through the Hugh Grant thing or through the Austin
1092
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:45.599
Powers thing. Yes, VHS raced the shelves with s Elizabeth
1093
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:46.400
Thurley with a kit off.
1094
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:50.400
So I guess if Elizabeth Hurley and Annonnicole Smith have
1095
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:52.039
something in common, that's it.
1096
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:53.119
Yes.
1097
00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:55.519
Did you were you going to say something really ridiculous
1098
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:57.320
Brett about Divine Brown and.
1099
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.880
Being at Yeah, I think I think you interpreted that
1100
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:04.880
to mean Elizabeth Hurley Brown. They should have given Divine Brown.
1101
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:09.719
They should have given Yeah, that's that's what I was saying.
1102
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:13.880
Yeah, no one ever put her in a proper movie,
1103
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:18.159
which I think was a missed opportunity, huge, huge missed opportunity,
1104
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:21.199
huge missed opportunity because we were.
1105
01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:24.000
Talking about, you know, capitalizing on the people in the zeitgeist.
1106
01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:26.480
I think that's a prime example, right.
1107
01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:28.599
Can you imagine if she'd gone on and done a
1108
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:31.519
few PM films, Oh man, that would have been great.
1109
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:34.719
So, I know, because we always talk about with Matt,
1110
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:37.519
you know, the most dangerous job probably in the world
1111
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:39.880
is to be the front desk man at any.
1112
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:44.360
In any Yeah, and so this, you know, for example.
1113
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:47.159
Dudley do right aside. A lot of front desk people
1114
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:48.440
die in this movie as.
1115
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:51.199
Well, oh almost all of them, except they do and
1116
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:56.039
anyone will any ego eyed viewers will notice so many
1117
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:00.480
regular PM entertainment haunts in this movie. So point she
1118
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:04.679
flies over the rooftop from the sweeper that ce Thomas
1119
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:07.639
Howl and the bad guy hangof that that was in
1120
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:12.639
the movie. The foyer of the skyscraper in this movie
1121
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:15.559
is also the same foyer that they use as a
1122
01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:21.119
news office in Rage when Kenneth Tiger and Gillian McWherter
1123
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:24.159
meant to be in a newsroom, it's really in the
1124
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:27.039
foyer of the same skyscraper. There are a couple of
1125
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:27.519
other things.
1126
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.119
I think I'll ask you because you're the PM expert here.
1127
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:33.119
Remember the scene kind of towards the beginning when the
1128
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:35.800
baddies are doing like the deal for the for the
1129
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:40.000
mcguffin and in this restaurant, is that the same restaurant
1130
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:42.320
that was kind of the focal point of the sweeper.
1131
01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:45.480
It's like a seafood restaurant, you know, remember this?
1132
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:50.360
Yeah, I h I don't kind of looked like it,
1133
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:52.719
but I wasn't sure it could have been, but they
1134
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:55.119
were all the way down the other end of the bar,
1135
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:58.280
so right, Yeah, I know that the seafood restaurant in
1136
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:01.119
the sweeper is on a peer, So I don't know
1137
01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:02.880
if this was on a pier or not because they
1138
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:05.039
didn't film it. They filmed it more like it was
1139
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:06.880
in the city rather than it was by the way.
1140
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:10.159
Just looking at it's like it kind of just not
1141
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:11.920
enough for me to be sure, but kind of looked
1142
01:02:11.960 --> 01:02:13.760
like the bar was in the same place that descort
1143
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:16.079
kind of looked similar. But then again we were saying
1144
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:18.039
was the nineties and things kind of looked like that,
1145
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:19.760
so it could have been a different restaurant.
1146
01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:22.639
So I don't want to say for sure exactly did
1147
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:25.360
anyone did either of you guys notice that, you know,
1148
01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:27.960
one of the things that they tried to do with
1149
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:30.480
the villain in order to make him kind of Hans
1150
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:34.079
gruber esque, I suppose, is that he quotes Shakespeare all
1151
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:37.440
the time. In his incredibly weird voice that he has.
1152
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:42.079
He quotes Shakespeare a lot. There was a wonderful bit
1153
01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:45.400
when she's flying him around when they first meet, and
1154
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:47.079
he's like, you got to go to this place, in
1155
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:50.719
this place or whatever that he he does one of
1156
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:53.880
his Shakespeare quotes, and without missing a beat, anada Cule
1157
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:57.840
Smith goes, oh, yes, Henry the Fourth, not even Henry
1158
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:01.199
the Fourth, like like a more obscure Shakespeare play, right,
1159
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:04.320
as if as if to make it out like, oh,
1160
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:09.119
not only is she a bombshell and a helicopter pilot
1161
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:13.480
and you know, a keen eye shot, but she knows
1162
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:16.519
Shakespeare like the back of her hand. Is anyone else buying?
1163
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:20.920
Is anyone else buying that? Added tole Smith has ever
1164
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:22.400
even seen the Shakespeare play?
1165
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:28.199
Well, Carrie Wink is a very well rounded woman, very well,
1166
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:31.760
very yes, very well read. We saw all the books
1167
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.760
that were in her apartment. Yeah, maybe maybe maybe we
1168
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:38.760
didn't think that was that was yeah, then that got
1169
01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:43.199
cut out, but no books so and also I took
1170
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:44.840
note of the time on this at twenty two minutes
1171
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:46.679
and forty four seconds, and one of the characters says,
1172
01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:47.559
we got company.
1173
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:49.719
Oh yeah, that was my last No, I forgot about.
1174
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:51.400
That, which was something we always take note of. It
1175
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:53.320
doesn't really mean much of anything, but it's just sort
1176
01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:55.679
of an action movie. Stand by that, and a lot
1177
01:03:55.719 --> 01:03:58.840
of these action movies someone might say we got company,
1178
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:00.679
and that's when they say in this movie.
1179
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:01.280
Yeah.
1180
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:05.440
Also, you know the is the zy text or x
1181
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X the building? Yeah? Or in the review? Is that
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where they make zits? We don't know, but if you
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notice the logo of the zy Text building is the
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Japanese flag? Yes, so I wonder, I mean, you know,
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the Nakotomy building in Diehard is I think to sound Japanese.
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They could just be kind of a low budget way
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to say, hey, babe, we're Japanese.
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Do what about the fact that in order to Crowbar
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in an Elis style character, they have this weird thing
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where as well as like isn't it a Saturday or
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a Sunday? As well as people like working on the weekend,
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as well as a kid running around on his strike,
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as well as like a terrorist organization taking over the building.
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With all this stuff going on, it's also the day
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that some disgruntled employee has decided to break into his
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boss's office and siphon off minutes of Thomas using his
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commoner gun laptop.
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Right right, and that guy, that boss guy. That sort
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of crazy subplot, which I guess is why this movie's
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ninety six minutes. Why even those extra six minutes. I'm
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01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:20.480
not really sure, but he kind of looks like Mark Summers,
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01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:22.559
you know, the host of Double Dare. I don't know
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anyway this might be considered a spoiler, but I don't know.
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If you probably do spoilers on the show, I would guess.
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Oh yeah, no, no, all these spoil these movies to death,
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because if you haven't seen it by now, you know,
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go watch.
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It, which is in another action movie stand by I don't.
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I mean, I guess it's a cliche, even though it
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could be a cliche, but I don't want that to
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01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:46.960
sound negative. But it is. Whereas stein Metz's partner dies,
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you know, and his and his name's Jimmy, and you
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01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:50.360
know I.
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Didn't want what about the fact. And this is another
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01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:56.320
thing where I'm like, you didn't need to cut back
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01:05:56.360 --> 01:05:59.679
the second time, right, So he gets blown up. Let
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01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:03.199
the time car gets blown up, Jimmy is completely engulfed
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01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:07.559
in flames. We get an elongated sequence of a guy
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01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:12.239
clearly in a fire suit, right, running around on fire right.
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He flops into the car. His partner, you know, as
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you said, the wing guy, her husband, Richard Richard Steinmetz,
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01:06:22.519 --> 01:06:26.400
runs to the burning car, all Jimmy, Jimmy, Oh my god, Jimmy, right,
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and then comes away with something else, and then cuts
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back to him, and he's still trying to like get
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into the car. I'm like, dude, the car's engulfed, Like
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the car is a He takes his jacket off and
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goes to like throw it on the fire. I'm like,
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you ain't saving Jimmy. Jimmy died ten minutes ago, and
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01:06:47.079 --> 01:06:50.400
you're still just saying his name over no right, of.
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Course, his name is Jimmy. I mean that's the partner name.
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01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:56.239
It's it's of course it's Jimmy. Yeah, and yeah, I
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01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:58.440
mean if a bad guy blew up, he'd blow up
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and I'd be it. But if Jimmy blows up, no,
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maybe I can put him out with my.
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Coat, you know, right, yeah, maybe, and then he has
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to be pulled off. I have to say my favorite
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person in the whole movie was the chief of police guy.
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He was great. Oh no, And the helicopter Chancy Chancy,
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01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:16.639
he was great.
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I was going to mention Chancy a lead to Brew.
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Is the lead to Brew as Captain Wood?
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Yes, the skyscraper developer guys told the movie.
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Oh he was great too.
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01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:32.119
Oh yeah, that guy. It was a small part, but
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01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:33.159
that guy made the most of it.
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01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:33.920
He really did.
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01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:38.159
So apologies, we don't have any interviews this week, but
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we do need to pause for a little ad break
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because this show needs to get paid for in some
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01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:46.199
way or other. So apologies for that. Either skip them
1251
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:49.840
or don't listen to them, and certainly certainly do not
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01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:56.079
buy or subscribe or endorse anything that is mentioned on
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01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:57.039
the commercial.
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01:07:57.360 --> 01:08:02.960
Thank you, So, I guess my My last question for
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you is how serious is all this? Like? Did they
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make this seriously or was this sort of a tongue
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01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:15.199
in cheek kind of put on like that serious most
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of the time, Because I.
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Feel like if it was a put on, there would
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be more obvious jokes. I mean, there are there are
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things like there's that guy that keeps saying that the
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01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:31.319
goggle eyed guy we were saying earlier, like doesn't he
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01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:33.319
have a few one liners? And the and the and
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01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:36.600
the captain has like a few one liners like I'm
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01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:39.880
gonna knock your teeth so far down your throat you're
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01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:42.760
going to be shitting out molars for a month or
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something like that.
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Right, yeah, because there are examples of some humor and that.
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I mean, that doesn't mean they're not taking it all seriously,
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but that could be sort of a wink, like when Charlie.
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Wink Gary or Golden Wing. Which wing.
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I'll leave that up to me. We're talking stein Metz,
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We're talking stein mets We're talking could be talking Steinmetz.
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But you know, at one point, Chauncey says to carry wink,
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keep your shirt on. I wonder if that's a reference
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to her playboy past and the whole nudity aspect of everything.
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And the fact that she even in the flashback this
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is this is something I wanted to bring up. The
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there is a flashback right in the movie that is
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initially meant to tell us it's early on in the film.
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What it's early on in the skyscraper bit of the film.
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So it's early on in the second half of the film,
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which is meant to tell us, because up until now
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we're just like, well, she's a helicopter pilot with enormous boobs.
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What is she going to do against these terrorists? And
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then we have a flashback that lets us know, don't worry, lads,
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she can shoot beer bottles like nobody else because she's
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from Texas, right, the genius of this movie and I'm
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she's the word genius with broad strokes, but the genius
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of the movie is like, well, look, while we're in
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the flashback and while her and Steinmetz Gordon Wink are
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shooting guns at each other, that's bound to arouse them.
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You know what I mean? You know what I mean,
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She's from Texas, The guns arouse her. He's a cop,
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so he's all about guns. And so they get all aroused,
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and then we get the second of the three love
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scenes that we get in the movie, the picnic love scene.
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And it's so funny to me that I can't think
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of another movie unless the flashback is Oh I was
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so in love with my husband, but he died, and
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then there's like a flashback to them like making love
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and I don't know, looking out over a pond or whatever.
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I can't think of another movie that when they have
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a flashback that's completely unrelated to sex. The flashback then
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continues and has lots of sex, which makes you think
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that Anna Nicole Smith's character, right, Carrie wink she's under fire, right,
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she knows she's in a skyscraper full of terrorists, right.
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She she ducks down behind a thing to remember her
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shooting training, and while her brain is remembering the day
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that she was shooting with her husband Gordon, she goes, ah,
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while I'm reminiscing, yeah, while my brain, let me just
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play back a gratuitor sex secrets.
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Well, I'm sure that's what anyone would think if they
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were in the midst of a terrorist attack, right, I'm
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sure you'd have the time and inclination for that.
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But it comes back and she looks as equally frazzled
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as she did prior to the flashback. It should cut
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back to her and she should be in the bathroom
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like pleasuring itself.
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Well yeah, you think, yeah, or at least her demeanor
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would change in some way, like it calmed her down
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maybe to figure about this. Yeah, but yeah, I mean
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there's a couple other little jokes they put in, like
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I think someone crashes through a window and one the
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other character says like, oh, this the operation is a
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smashing success. Right. And also I think after I believe
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it's after one of the sex flashbacks, you know, the
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the the fire department arrives and the ladder is like
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extending up in kind of a phallic manner. It's subtle,
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but I think that could be something. And also after
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the rape scene, when they're thinking about how to get
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into the building with that die he says we might
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have to try a forced entry, So I wonder if
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that is. Yeah.
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But the only thing is is that if you think
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about die Hard, the LS character, the al Pal character,
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even John McLain occasionally, and especially like once the FBI
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01:12:56.520 --> 01:12:59.920
guys show up Davvy and Grandel Bush, once they show
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up Johnson and Johnson no relation, and you've got Paul Gleeson.
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There there is humor in die Hard, Right, It's not
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as obvious as something like lethal Weapon, where obviously Mel
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01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:16.840
Gibson is sort of riffing the whole way through. But
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there is comedy in die Hard, right, I don't think
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Skyscraper ever goes beyond the comedy that just happens in
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01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:30.560
action films anyway. Like, if this was a parody, this
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is what I'm trying to say. If it was a parody,
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01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:35.000
if it was a oh, let's make die Hard but
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01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:37.640
with Anna Nicole Smith and kind of a comedy, kind
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01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:41.520
of like a raucous comedy, there would be more than
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01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:44.640
just a few one liners to point out, do you
1351
01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:45.119
know what I mean?
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01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:47.880
Oh? Absolutely, So what you're saying is this sort of
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01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:50.520
little bits of humor here and there is all part
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01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:53.560
of the die Hard knockoff ism of the movie. It's like, okay,
1355
01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:55.439
want to be like Diehard, die Hard head humor here
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01:13:55.479 --> 01:13:57.039
and there. We'll have humor here and there.
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01:13:57.359 --> 01:13:59.880
So yeah, right, I mean yeah, I mean even you know,
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even other PM films. I mean, yes, okay, this is
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the most blatant ripoff that they do. But even in
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01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:10.119
other PM films, there are comedic characters in the way
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that there are in lots of action films. And so
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to your point that the guy who designed the skyscraper,
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like the nerdy guy who has to hang out with
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the captain. Captain would.
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01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:29.039
See that tells me something right there that maybe this
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wasn't all entirely series along with the whole you know,
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Dudley right and all.
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01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:36.760
That Dudley right. Yeah, but that would have been they were.
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01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:39.279
Good together lead to brew and that guy I don't
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know his name who played the building designer. I would
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have liked it.
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It's so funny that they give her son three names
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when and it's also so odd in PM films, like
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when you look at them on IMDb, most people only
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have one name and then like Vince de Palmer is
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01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:03.319
Johnny Hill and and Clay Banks is Jimmy Dile but
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everyone else is just Booker, Dudley, Williams, Cranston, Clancy Leroy,
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01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:12.520
like Paul Iding is John Jarrow. But then you've got
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01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:18.239
like just Mather, Sarah Pollard, Chauncey Simpson, Like why why.
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Is he Billy Ray Johnson?
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01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:23.520
Well you know that's but why is Paulding John Jarrow?
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Or Christopher Boyer is Wayne de Lesky? Like what?
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01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:33.159
But yeah, no, it's all part of the fun. But yeah,
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but yeah, but as far as yeah, I would have
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liked to have seen more of the Lee de Brew
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and the building designer, because I thought in those brief
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scenes they had together they had like some kind of
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01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:45.399
funny chemistry, like he was the building designer would say
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something wacky and Lead Bru would look at him and
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kind of exasperated.
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But Lee Debrew becomes the al pale Yea, the designer
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becomes the Paul Gleeson, right, it's it's yeah.
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01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:00.560
Yeah, yeah, what's so funny about this? They're such a
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good chemistry. They can have their own movie, oh yeah,
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01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:05.560
or they could almost have a like a Buddy cop
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kind of could almost be a TV show maybe.
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And I am sorry, we are going to stop for
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just another short advert break. Apologies again again, fast forward.
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Don't even listen to them, don't do anything that they say,
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and be highly suspicious of everything you hear, other than
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01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:25.880
everything you hear on the PM Entertainment podcast or any
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01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:30.279
of the other podcasts that I've endorsed. Anyway, at here
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they are, as we're kind of coming towards the end,
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Let's talk about the action sequences then, because essentially we
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01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:46.159
get that amazing opening that we've talked about with the
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ALI shootout. Lots and lots of rocket launchers in this
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01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:56.279
like rocket the proper like full blown explosive rocket launching
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01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:57.680
in this movie, which is fantastic.
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Yes, and that is how Jimmy met his untimely end
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01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:01.640
as well.
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01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:04.760
Yes, indeed, his entire car gets engulfed in flames, which
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would be enough for me not to run towards it.
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01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:09.479
No offense, guys, but if you were in a car
1414
01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:13.760
that was decimated by a rocket watch and exploded into fire,
1415
01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:15.079
I don't think I'd be throwing.
1416
01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:19.439
I appreciate that. I said, none taken, no offense taking,
1417
01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:21.039
But I mean if you wanted to, you know, give
1418
01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:23.079
one quick swipe with your jack, I mean that would
1419
01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:23.720
be appreciated.
1420
01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:24.279
But but.
1421
01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:28.199
You don't have to. Okay, you don't have to.
1422
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:31.960
It's only so that Richard stein Metz good go back
1423
01:17:32.039 --> 01:17:35.439
to the police precinct and be like I tried, guys,
1424
01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:39.079
I tried. I took my jacket off and everything.
1425
01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:43.039
I'm changing in out of John Steinmetz technically, but also
1426
01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:46.960
if it's a very small character part, but don't remember there.
1427
01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:49.920
He's like a dispatcher and he's like, I'll tell the
1428
01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:52.039
captain and you're busy, and then he kind of looks
1429
01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:54.399
at him. That guy was pretty good too, and he
1430
01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:56.279
only had it like a couple of brief scenes, but
1431
01:17:57.920 --> 01:17:59.079
you know that stood out a bit.
1432
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:02.880
And again some of the sort of Larry Cohen esque
1433
01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:05.920
give every character a little bit of business to do.
1434
01:18:07.039 --> 01:18:07.279
Help.
1435
01:18:07.680 --> 01:18:10.359
It really does help this movie. Like if all that
1436
01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:14.880
wasn't going on, it wouldn't be the jolly rump that
1437
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:15.199
it is.
1438
01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:18.239
Exactly. No, that's that's very good. That's the good point.
1439
01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:21.439
Yeah, you were going to say something, ty sorryment.
1440
01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:26.520
Oh okay, I just wanted to mention and Nicole martial arts, yeah,
1441
01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:29.960
which really gets gets some shine in the in the
1442
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.119
darn McBee slash Malibu fight scene and at the end
1443
01:18:33.199 --> 01:18:38.640
when she's beating up Shakespeare and like them, oh yeah, no, yes,
1444
01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:40.720
he gets into pretty some savage punches and there.
1445
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:44.239
Yeah, that's what I mean. I think you could probably
1446
01:18:44.319 --> 01:18:47.800
have trained her or a stunt double to do the
1447
01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:51.119
physical fighting because she's a big woman. And I'm not
1448
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:53.359
just talking about her boobs and her hips, but like,
1449
01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:56.439
she's a big woman. She looked like in the flight jacket,
1450
01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:59.920
you could believe that she's you know, powerful and muscular
1451
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:03.479
and whatever, right, And you could probably have done that
1452
01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:07.000
and you could. She does the shooting bit very well.
1453
01:19:07.159 --> 01:19:08.399
That was pretty well done for her.
1454
01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:11.960
Yeah, and so like if you just reduced her dialogue
1455
01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:15.279
and made her more of a full bore action hero,
1456
01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:17.600
I think she probably could have done it.
1457
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:19.760
Yeah, no, I agree quite well.
1458
01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:22.560
The only bits that I WinCE in this movie is
1459
01:19:22.680 --> 01:19:25.600
when she's forced to like deliver more than three lines
1460
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:27.760
in a row. There are plenty of times where she
1461
01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.760
delivers just one or two lines and it's fine, Like,
1462
01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:33.640
I have no problem with it at all, and in fact,
1463
01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:36.640
you can you know now, look that there are a
1464
01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:39.800
lot of reports about this movie from behind the scenes
1465
01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:43.600
where she was late every day to set. It was
1466
01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:48.680
at her worst drug adult moments, et cetera, et cetera.
1467
01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:52.720
So when you when you play that into it, it's
1468
01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:55.039
her acting is even better than you have any reason
1469
01:19:55.119 --> 01:19:57.800
to expect, because you know, I do you know what
1470
01:19:57.880 --> 01:19:58.279
I'm saying.
1471
01:19:58.439 --> 01:19:59.520
Oh yeah, oh definitely.
1472
01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:03.960
I think the adring of the whole film is a problem, but.
1473
01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:08.119
I got used to after a while. It's okay. Yeah,
1474
01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:10.840
And it's kind of part for the course. Yeah, it's fun,
1475
01:20:10.920 --> 01:20:14.760
it's part for the chorus. I have no issue with it. Yeah, yeah,
1476
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:17.880
especially especially if it's her voice, which it clearly is.
1477
01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:20.319
It would be weird if it was if she was
1478
01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:22.560
dubbed by someone else, if she.
1479
01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:25.479
If she was dubbed What if she was dubbed by Brown?
1480
01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:29.399
Yeah, well that would be that would be that would
1481
01:20:29.399 --> 01:20:31.479
be like an art film or something, would be something
1482
01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:32.199
very strange.
1483
01:20:32.279 --> 01:20:33.600
And what if she dubbed him?
1484
01:20:34.520 --> 01:20:37.239
I love that. Now we're going, Now we're getting you
1485
01:20:37.319 --> 01:20:39.279
want to talk about the psychedelic sixties, that would be
1486
01:20:39.319 --> 01:20:44.000
pretty psychedelic right there, right uh. But yeah, so you know,
1487
01:20:44.159 --> 01:20:46.640
a good time was had by all, I mean, all enjoyable.
1488
01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:49.319
I mean, like I said, I do believe it's a
1489
01:20:49.439 --> 01:20:52.039
little long for what it is. This type of movie
1490
01:20:52.119 --> 01:20:54.760
probably shouldn't be ninety six minutes. And I know that's
1491
01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:57.319
kind of like splitting hairs a bit. I do think
1492
01:20:57.359 --> 01:20:59.359
if they chopped it down just a little bit, you know,
1493
01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:04.479
cut down on maybe some of the side plots, you know.
1494
01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:06.520
I obviously they can't get rid of the sex scenes
1495
01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:08.279
and the nudity. I guess all that has to stay.
1496
01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:10.800
But if they made it a little short, just trimmed
1497
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:13.479
it here and there and like to maybe give Anna
1498
01:21:13.720 --> 01:21:16.119
like a couple more like physical fight scenes you know,
1499
01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:19.279
like kicking and punching scenes. To me, those are the
1500
01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:22.119
only things that really would have improved the movie. But
1501
01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:24.840
those are kind of like minor quibbles, Like I think,
1502
01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:27.199
all in all, you know, it's by the ticket, take
1503
01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:29.159
the ride, you know what I mean, You're you're not
1504
01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:31.720
watching Skyscraper to you know, pick it apart and make
1505
01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:33.039
fun of it. I mean, I guess people do do
1506
01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:36.479
like you said a shooting fish in about too easy,
1507
01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:39.079
Like you don't want to kick around a movie like this.
1508
01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:41.760
You just watch it. You enjoy it for what it is,
1509
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:43.520
not for what you think it should be.
1510
01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:46.159
It's a fun enough rum. But I mean, if we
1511
01:21:46.279 --> 01:21:51.600
go past the opening action sequence, which I do agree
1512
01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:53.840
with you guys, it's up there with some of PM's best.
1513
01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:58.520
I specially loved the flaming cord driving through the truck.
1514
01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:04.680
Yeah that's great, so awesome stunt. What a stunt.
1515
01:22:05.279 --> 01:22:08.560
Her hanging from the building is done pretty well. I mean,
1516
01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:11.760
obviously when you see her hanging from the building, she's
1517
01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:18.239
obviously not twenty stories up right. It cuts, it intercuts
1518
01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:21.359
very well, and they do have a stunt person that
1519
01:22:21.479 --> 01:22:24.840
looks a lot like her, and it is another kind
1520
01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:28.880
of classic flashback to sort of the Rage skyscraper kind
1521
01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:32.920
of stunt, right, and it's maybe Colis McKay trying to
1522
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:36.399
do Sparrows out Us without Spirit's interesting.
1523
01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:38.039
And also I just want to point out, like it
1524
01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:42.239
right before that scene where with the wire where she's
1525
01:22:42.279 --> 01:22:44.319
hanging from the wire, like the bad guys are chasing
1526
01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:46.279
her and she's at the edge of the building and
1527
01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:48.479
she has no choice and she looks down. It's like, oh,
1528
01:22:48.640 --> 01:22:50.159
I was going to fall to my death and then
1529
01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:52.479
she does. Anyway, then there's a window washing car that
1530
01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:55.560
was not there before. No, because we would have seen it,
1531
01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:56.359
so I thought.
1532
01:22:56.399 --> 01:23:00.479
I also I also wonder, you know Rage end of
1533
01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:03.760
ninety five, this is early ninety six, This could be
1534
01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:06.800
like they could have finished filming Rage on a Friday,
1535
01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:09.560
and she could have filmed that sequence on a Monday,
1536
01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:12.760
you know what I mean. Like PM. Yeah, PM could
1537
01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:16.439
have just been like, well, let's get two set pieces
1538
01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:19.159
for two different movies out of this one building with
1539
01:23:19.239 --> 01:23:20.079
a window washing cut.
1540
01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:21.960
Well that's the thing about PM, And I'm sure this
1541
01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:23.560
is one of the reasons why you like PM. There's
1542
01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:27.119
a PM style. You know, these PM movies they look
1543
01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:29.920
alike and in a good way, because that's what you
1544
01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:32.560
want to see, Like you feel like you're in good hands.
1545
01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:32.960
You know.
1546
01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:34.960
It's like a symbol of quality. It's a PM movie.
1547
01:23:35.079 --> 01:23:38.600
We're gonna get something of a certain quality level. And
1548
01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:41.680
so I think that I don't know if you meant
1549
01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:43.119
to it now, but that's what you're referring to. It's
1550
01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:44.359
like the PM house style.
1551
01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:47.439
Yeah, I think the only thing you noticed I was
1552
01:23:47.479 --> 01:23:50.399
saying earlier about Anna Nicole Smith being you know, a
1553
01:23:50.439 --> 01:23:52.600
little worse for where behind the scenes of this movie.
1554
01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:56.920
I think the only thing that sort of shows that
1555
01:23:57.159 --> 01:24:00.600
when you're watching the film is all the way through,
1556
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:03.279
actually not just in the helicopter sequences, but all the
1557
01:24:03.359 --> 01:24:10.800
way through there are occasionally repeated cutaways to Nicole Smith.
1558
01:24:11.239 --> 01:24:15.359
That is, they're the same thing repeated, meaning like, oh,
1559
01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:17.720
we need a reaction shot. Oh we don't have one
1560
01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:20.239
because Anna was in a trailer or whatever. Oh, just
1561
01:24:20.359 --> 01:24:25.159
reuse that from earlier. Similarly, it makes me think of
1562
01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:33.600
the sequence before her and Malibu fight. They have this
1563
01:24:34.159 --> 01:24:40.000
ludicrous run around gun shootout thing where he keeps shooting
1564
01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:43.800
telephones and she keeps shooting computers, and neither of them
1565
01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:44.640
are shooting each other.
1566
01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:47.800
That kind of reminds me the guy he's like, he's
1567
01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:49.560
the black guy in the in the gang, not the
1568
01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:52.359
Shakespeare guy and this other guy and he just like
1569
01:24:52.960 --> 01:24:55.520
opens fire with a machine gun in every room. He
1570
01:24:56.039 --> 01:24:57.960
like he opens the door and just starts shooting, like
1571
01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:00.880
like maybe it might save if you waited to see
1572
01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:05.199
if there is a person in Yeah, everyone.
1573
01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:10.119
In this movie is able to outrun bullets. Like, by
1574
01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:13.920
the way, if someone opens a machine gun opens fire
1575
01:25:14.119 --> 01:25:17.239
using a machine gun at you. Like, there's even a
1576
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:19.319
bit where stein Metz is running away. I think this
1577
01:25:19.479 --> 01:25:21.880
is a sequence you're talking about where the terrorist guy
1578
01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:25.319
comes out just firing his UZI and stein Metz like
1579
01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:28.119
puts his jacket up a little over his head, like
1580
01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:30.359
a jacket is gonna stop bullet.
1581
01:25:30.279 --> 01:25:31.960
Right right, I see what I thought he was gonna do.
1582
01:25:32.079 --> 01:25:34.079
There was like a decoy kind of thing like where
1583
01:25:34.199 --> 01:25:36.600
he like so the bad guy would think that's him,
1584
01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:38.479
but it's actually just an empty jacket. But I don't
1585
01:25:38.479 --> 01:25:39.520
think that's actually what he did.
1586
01:25:40.159 --> 01:25:42.880
No, he just runs around. He runs with his head
1587
01:25:43.319 --> 01:25:47.359
sort of bowed and his body like like running when
1588
01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:49.640
you're bent over, Like he's running and he's like bent
1589
01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:53.000
over and at one point he just like raises his
1590
01:25:53.239 --> 01:25:56.920
jacket up over his shoulder and head because the other
1591
01:25:57.079 --> 01:25:59.399
the guy is just firing, you know, and only hitting
1592
01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:02.239
the wall. And what's hilarious is if you were all
1593
01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:04.920
the way down the end of an office floor and
1594
01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:07.520
there's all the cubicles to the to the left of you,
1595
01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:10.840
and all the the wall and all the noticeboards and
1596
01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:14.479
everything to the right of you, actually hitting a noticeboard
1597
01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:18.119
would be hard, like at that distance would be harder
1598
01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:21.359
than hitting the guy running down a corridor with nowhere
1599
01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:21.560
to go.
1600
01:26:22.039 --> 01:26:23.680
But I think maybe he has one of those john
1601
01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:25.560
Wick style like bulletproof jackets.
1602
01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:27.680
Yeah, bulletproof twin jackets.
1603
01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:30.319
But of course this guy's jackets can do lots of stuff.
1604
01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:32.239
They could protect them from bullets that he can. He
1605
01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:34.640
thinks they can put out fires on his right, Like
1606
01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:36.960
he's like an amazing jacket kill.
1607
01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:44.560
But that sequence with Malibu and Nicole Smith running essentially
1608
01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:47.680
around and around and around the same kind of office,
1609
01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:52.439
there's so many repeated shots in there, Like they got
1610
01:26:52.640 --> 01:26:55.039
three or four shots of her and three or four
1611
01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:57.720
shots of Malibu, and a bunch of shots of like
1612
01:26:58.319 --> 01:27:03.520
phones exploding and and and computers sparking and whatever, and
1613
01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:05.880
then they just elongated it. There was a lot of
1614
01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:07.239
that in the film, do you know what I mean?
1615
01:27:07.279 --> 01:27:10.159
Where they kind of padded the running time a bit
1616
01:27:10.199 --> 01:27:11.319
where they didn't need to.
1617
01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:13.439
Yeah, I mean, I could add to the ninety six
1618
01:27:13.520 --> 01:27:15.680
minute running time, but it kind of worked for me
1619
01:27:15.840 --> 01:27:19.920
because it's all so silly, Like, what's a little more silliness? Yeah? Right.
1620
01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:22.479
There was one other thing that I noticed, there's a
1621
01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:24.800
bit of a The only real martial arts in the
1622
01:27:24.880 --> 01:27:27.880
movie is when one of the bad guys is fighting
1623
01:27:28.039 --> 01:27:29.359
one of the security guards.
1624
01:27:29.479 --> 01:27:32.319
Yes, oh yeah, yeah, right, yeah.
1625
01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:37.720
What is so odd about that sequence for a PM film?
1626
01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:40.640
Is it the security guard the guy playing the security guard,
1627
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:43.439
and I don't know who it is. He is so
1628
01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:48.000
clearly wearing stunt pads in his chest and in his back,
1629
01:27:48.399 --> 01:27:51.840
right clearly because the guy fighting him is going to
1630
01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:54.239
punch him in the gut or kick him in the back. Right.
1631
01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:57.800
What's super weird about it is when he gets punched
1632
01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:00.560
in the gut or kicked in the bag, there's like
1633
01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:06.239
a really awkward close up cutaway, which makes me think, well,
1634
01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:10.199
if you're going to have a cutaway to the blows
1635
01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:15.399
the kicks or the punches in the wide shot? Why
1636
01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:19.000
is he wearing the stunt pads? Like, just put them
1637
01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:20.760
on in the close up, and I know you're going
1638
01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:22.159
to be like, oh, it's a PM film and blah
1639
01:28:22.159 --> 01:28:25.319
blah blah blah. But like most PM fights and most
1640
01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:31.600
PM stunt sequences are not so odd, Like, yeah, I
1641
01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:33.800
either have him wear the stunt pads the whole time
1642
01:28:33.920 --> 01:28:41.119
and then don't clumsily cut away to a fist badly
1643
01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:44.720
punching a stunt pad. Just film it all in wide
1644
01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:47.039
shot and have him get kicked and punched because he's
1645
01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:50.039
wearing pads so who cares, or don't have him wear
1646
01:28:50.159 --> 01:28:54.079
pads and do cutaways, but doing both doesn't make any sense.
1647
01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:57.479
But also that seems really funny too, because like this
1648
01:28:57.640 --> 01:28:59.359
guy really cares about his job, like all of a
1649
01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:02.119
suddenre's and then he gets into a martial arts fight
1650
01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:06.680
with him like no questions asked the security guard who's
1651
01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:10.439
Asian and like instantly snaps into martial arts mode, cracked
1652
01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:12.800
up with that I'm so great. It's like it's yeah,
1653
01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:15.279
it's like a martial arts fight off the bat, no dialogue,
1654
01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:17.560
It's like, oh, here's a guy don't recognize martial arts fight.
1655
01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:25.039
Yeah, we get a couple of fantastic high falls. In fact,
1656
01:29:25.159 --> 01:29:27.399
we get we get a high fall in this movie
1657
01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:30.800
that goes on longer than I think any high fall
1658
01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:34.760
that's ever got on. They cut away to the police
1659
01:29:34.840 --> 01:29:40.600
chief Lee debrew captain and he has a little back
1660
01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:42.680
and forth again with the with the guy who designed
1661
01:29:42.680 --> 01:29:46.119
the skyscraper. It then cuts back the guy's still falling.
1662
01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:51.720
Fantastic, Like they don't use they don't do dummy deaths
1663
01:29:51.720 --> 01:29:54.880
in these PM movies. No, No, you see a person
1664
01:29:55.119 --> 01:29:59.319
flailing their arms and legs and it's it's death defying.
1665
01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:02.640
It really is, Oh, it really is. The two things
1666
01:30:02.720 --> 01:30:06.000
this movie has going for it stunt wise and impressive,
1667
01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:09.319
you know, entering the annals of stunt cinema or whatever
1668
01:30:09.319 --> 01:30:12.000
you want to say, like, you know, put this up
1669
01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:15.920
against anything else, is the high falls are genuinely impressive,
1670
01:30:16.159 --> 01:30:22.119
like genuinely eye openingly impressive. And the opening sequence that
1671
01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:24.920
we keep going on about everything else in terms of
1672
01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:29.479
action sequences is a little bit. We just get little bits.
1673
01:30:29.720 --> 01:30:35.039
It's a it's not like a constant cacophony of madness
1674
01:30:35.279 --> 01:30:38.560
like something like Executive Target, which is really just wall
1675
01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:44.840
to wall action, and it's not vast you know sways
1676
01:30:44.880 --> 01:30:48.319
of the movie where nothing is happening, But in between
1677
01:30:48.760 --> 01:30:52.560
the high falls and the opening sequence, all the other
1678
01:30:52.680 --> 01:30:55.319
action is sort of fairly low key, you know what
1679
01:30:55.359 --> 01:30:57.479
I mean. It's a guy getting shot, it's a guy
1680
01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:00.000
getting punched, it's a person falling out of a window.
1681
01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:02.920
You know, it's it's sort of very standard PM stuff.
1682
01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:04.720
Well yeah, it's like they're not going to do another
1683
01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:09.399
like Ali style actions that that was their big one.
1684
01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:12.000
You know, they're not gonna even though other PM movies
1685
01:31:12.039 --> 01:31:14.039
do do that a lot, but in this one they
1686
01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:16.760
had one big action scene and you're right, they kind
1687
01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:18.439
of tamp it down a little bit for the other.
1688
01:31:18.319 --> 01:31:23.159
Sorry, it was one of the There was one other
1689
01:31:23.239 --> 01:31:26.640
part of the movie where I could not stop laughing.
1690
01:31:26.720 --> 01:31:31.600
And I don't like to laugh at me, but in
1691
01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:33.880
order to get the die Hard and this is where
1692
01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:35.880
again I would have said to the director Raymond, I
1693
01:31:35.880 --> 01:31:41.000
would said, listen, Raymond, let's not be so slavish in
1694
01:31:41.119 --> 01:31:45.960
our die hard ripoff the sequence in the air ducts
1695
01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:50.319
where they have you know, listen, I'll buy that there
1696
01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:53.920
is an air duct in a skyscraper that John McClain
1697
01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:58.720
can just about fit in and crawl through slowly. This
1698
01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:01.920
has this has the largest air ducts you've ever seen
1699
01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:07.399
in your life. And not one, but three police guys.
1700
01:32:07.840 --> 01:32:11.479
And you see them repeatedly, like you see them like
1701
01:32:12.399 --> 01:32:17.600
eight times, like shuffling three of them all at the
1702
01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:22.359
same speed, like shuffling back and forth through air ducks.
1703
01:32:22.760 --> 01:32:26.319
Right, and that guy ends up shooting him and because
1704
01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:28.840
because he's French, I guess he has to say ahir
1705
01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:29.920
after he kills people.
1706
01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:34.119
Well, so this also they get a little dig at
1707
01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:37.239
arc Camacho. Did you notice the little dig at art Camacho?
1708
01:32:37.359 --> 01:32:38.039
I think I did.
1709
01:32:39.479 --> 01:32:42.000
So he shoots the air duck. By the way. Also,
1710
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:45.199
this is the other thing. When Jonathan Fuller is shooting
1711
01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:49.720
up at the ceiling, there are no ducts, like zero ducts.
1712
01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:54.640
It's a suspended polystyrene ceiling. There's no ducts, like it's
1713
01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:58.319
so weird. They have him walking along a corridor firing
1714
01:32:58.399 --> 01:32:59.840
a machine gun up at the sky and then you
1715
01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:01.680
cut to the ducts and you see holes coming up.
1716
01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:04.199
But he's walking along the corridor where there are no
1717
01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:09.800
air ducts above him, like it's so weird. Anyway, it's
1718
01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:11.920
another thing where I'm like, just just stop, Like you
1719
01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:14.880
don't need air ducts, Like just because it's in die
1720
01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:16.840
Hard doesn't mean you need to have a sequence. But
1721
01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:21.560
know where they go at ar Camacho is he shoots
1722
01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:25.479
one end of the duct and no blood, nothing, whatever.
1723
01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:28.000
He shoots the other end of the duct where he
1724
01:33:28.119 --> 01:33:30.640
thought like, oh, maybe a six foot guy or five
1725
01:33:31.039 --> 01:33:33.439
five for eight guy, five or nine guy whatever, maybe
1726
01:33:33.520 --> 01:33:36.560
his head is more here, shoots there and nothing and
1727
01:33:36.640 --> 01:33:39.800
then he goes small guy. Huh, And I thought, oh,
1728
01:33:40.520 --> 01:33:42.800
that's a little dig at art. Come on now, Oh
1729
01:33:43.039 --> 01:33:43.960
I didn't pick up on that.
1730
01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:49.039
I was kind of funny. Is a short guy, right,
1731
01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:53.279
so he had to throw in that the right.
1732
01:33:53.199 --> 01:33:54.800
And then he shoots him right in the middle of
1733
01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:57.680
where he was shooting, and that's where the blood falls
1734
01:33:57.720 --> 01:33:58.199
from the ceiling.
1735
01:34:00.439 --> 01:34:03.960
Yeah, so a lot to talk about with skyscrapers. So
1736
01:34:05.399 --> 01:34:08.319
I'm glad you asked us on to talk about this
1737
01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:09.439
gem of a movie.
1738
01:34:10.279 --> 01:34:14.600
Yes, and again it's Look, I'm not going to pretend
1739
01:34:14.680 --> 01:34:16.880
that it's my favorite or that I'm going to put
1740
01:34:16.880 --> 01:34:19.960
it in very often, but for a fun romp that
1741
01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:23.880
is a good five out of ten or you know,
1742
01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:26.239
or two and a half out of five whatever you
1743
01:34:26.279 --> 01:34:29.760
want to say it as we have an expression in
1744
01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:31.000
the UK. I don't if you have it here, but
1745
01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:32.920
it does what it says on the tin.
1746
01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:35.920
Oh yeah, I definitely know that phrase. Yeah, but that
1747
01:34:36.039 --> 01:34:39.880
is definitely a UK thing. But you know we've all heard.
1748
01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:42.399
It right, meaning if and I'll say it again, if
1749
01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:44.640
you're fifteen years old in nineteen ninety six and you
1750
01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:49.199
went Skyscraper starring Anna Nicole Smith, it's exactly what you want.
1751
01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:53.119
You have, you know, two sex scenes and one extra
1752
01:34:53.319 --> 01:34:56.680
piece of nudity unless you also count the shower bit
1753
01:34:56.880 --> 01:35:00.079
as nudity, so you get four bits of nudity. Then
1754
01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:01.840
if you want to count the shower bit at the beginning,
1755
01:35:02.399 --> 01:35:07.039
you you get you know, shootouts, high faals, big opening
1756
01:35:07.199 --> 01:35:10.439
action sequence, a little bit of martial arts, and a
1757
01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:11.520
lot of wackiness.
1758
01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:16.720
That's that's a good summer's perfect that's perfect summary.
1759
01:35:17.039 --> 01:35:21.159
So where would you guys rate this on a PM level?
1760
01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:26.800
Then? Good question time you go first, well, a tough
1761
01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:30.199
one and think about the other pms. I don't know,
1762
01:35:30.319 --> 01:35:32.600
it's probably a little bit down.
1763
01:35:33.079 --> 01:35:35.159
Oh it's low down. Yeah, that's not.
1764
01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:39.560
Fifteen or something that would be on it just like
1765
01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:42.439
somewhere towards the bottom of this was the bottom. You know,
1766
01:35:42.439 --> 01:35:44.760
I'm thinking of like other classics like you know, Executive
1767
01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:48.880
Target or Sweeper, Last Man Standing or Riot Recoil, right,
1768
01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:53.920
the three rs Underground yea, even like Deadly Target, you know.
1769
01:35:55.199 --> 01:35:58.319
Yeah, I mean if they let's say they made around
1770
01:35:58.319 --> 01:36:00.239
about one hundred movies, or at least ret least about
1771
01:36:00.239 --> 01:36:04.279
one hundred movies, it's in like the middle fifty.
1772
01:36:04.159 --> 01:36:07.760
I would say that. Yeah, No, that's fair. That's but
1773
01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:10.880
I mean because five, I mean, are we talking about
1774
01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:14.359
purely on the action, Because if so, then it maybe
1775
01:36:14.399 --> 01:36:16.279
wouldn't rank as high as the others because there's that
1776
01:36:16.359 --> 01:36:17.000
one big one.
1777
01:36:17.079 --> 01:36:18.760
But no, the whole movie.
1778
01:36:18.840 --> 01:36:20.439
I ranked the whole whole movie.
1779
01:36:20.680 --> 01:36:23.520
It'll probably be in top twenty. Maybe you would put
1780
01:36:23.560 --> 01:36:27.760
it in the top twenty, top twenty five, top thirty,
1781
01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:30.520
top thirty, forty five, top forty, top four.
1782
01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:35.199
It might break for the wackedess alone. Yeah, it might
1783
01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:37.000
break my top forty.
1784
01:36:37.399 --> 01:36:42.119
Okay, that's fair. That's kind of where I am with it.
1785
01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:44.600
I mean, like I said, I think we said we've
1786
01:36:44.640 --> 01:36:48.359
all seen it three times, which is probably more than
1787
01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:52.199
most people have seen Skyscraper it is. I do think
1788
01:36:52.279 --> 01:36:54.199
it is a movie you can go back to. You can,
1789
01:36:54.520 --> 01:36:55.800
but you have to be in the right frame of
1790
01:36:55.880 --> 01:36:58.600
mind and you have to be willing to accept. Yeah,
1791
01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:01.520
you have to be willing to accept the wackiness of it.
1792
01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:04.640
And yeah, it's not a serious minded movie. It's not
1793
01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:07.720
a last man standing as long as you keep that
1794
01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:10.680
in mind, and I think you can have fun with it.
1795
01:37:10.840 --> 01:37:11.760
I do think it's fun.
1796
01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:15.239
And on the question of is it a is it
1797
01:37:15.359 --> 01:37:21.920
intentional or not? I think everyone at PM knew exactly
1798
01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:24.760
what they were making. I don't think that. I don't
1799
01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:28.960
think that they're surprised by it being a riff tracks
1800
01:37:29.279 --> 01:37:32.640
movie or it being a so bad it's good again.
1801
01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:34.680
That's not how I feel about it, but you know
1802
01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:38.239
that's how the greater internet out there feel about it, right.
1803
01:37:38.600 --> 01:37:40.600
I don't think they're surprised by that, and I also
1804
01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:43.079
don't think they're bothered by that. If people are watching it,
1805
01:37:43.239 --> 01:37:44.279
that's all they care about, right.
1806
01:37:44.399 --> 01:37:47.199
I think that's probably right. Right, They're not stupid. I
1807
01:37:47.239 --> 01:37:49.279
think they knew. They knew what they were doing. Like
1808
01:37:49.359 --> 01:37:51.840
we're kind of saying, before they took a swing, you
1809
01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:54.359
know what I mean, they said Okay, like with the
1810
01:37:54.399 --> 01:37:56.920
Tracy Lords and OJ thing. Not to repeat myself, but
1811
01:37:56.920 --> 01:37:59.359
I think they kind of took a punt, as they
1812
01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:02.800
might say, UK and they want to say, hey, let's
1813
01:38:02.800 --> 01:38:04.640
just see what happens with this, you know. I don't
1814
01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:07.159
think maybe they weren't taking it entirely seriously, but on
1815
01:38:07.199 --> 01:38:08.800
a certain level they were. I think they took the
1816
01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:12.640
action perfectly seriously. So it does have that blend. That's
1817
01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:14.600
why it's so hard to categorize. This movie has that
1818
01:38:14.720 --> 01:38:17.359
blend of PM style action that we all know on
1819
01:38:17.439 --> 01:38:21.039
love but also has that whackiness factor and they're both together.
1820
01:38:21.279 --> 01:38:24.199
You don't see it that much with PM. You do
1821
01:38:24.399 --> 01:38:26.119
kind of see it in the underground because that's also
1822
01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:28.640
very wacky. So there's that aspect as well.
1823
01:38:29.079 --> 01:38:32.439
What's super weird about Skyscraper to me, as I think
1824
01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:35.800
about it now rather than when I watched it last night,
1825
01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:40.680
is that it's not classic PM. Oh not at all,
1826
01:38:41.039 --> 01:38:44.119
because they don't, like I say, they don't have the
1827
01:38:44.520 --> 01:38:48.159
team behind the scenes that are classic PM. You're not
1828
01:38:48.359 --> 01:38:51.319
getting any actors in there apart from obviously people like
1829
01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:53.760
Jonathan Fuller who have been like Bad Guys and other
1830
01:38:53.800 --> 01:38:57.479
PM films but in general, you don't have Robert Miano,
1831
01:38:57.640 --> 01:38:59.920
you don't have a Kenneth Taiger, you don't you don't
1832
01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:02.840
have like a PM character actor to hang your hat on.
1833
01:39:03.319 --> 01:39:06.079
You don't have a PM all star, you know, you
1834
01:39:06.119 --> 01:39:08.159
don't have a Gary Daniels or Jeff Wincott or a
1835
01:39:08.239 --> 01:39:13.359
Tracy Lord's or whatever in the movie. So it's, on
1836
01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:19.239
one hand, it's not classic PM. But because it has
1837
01:39:19.479 --> 01:39:23.359
so much in it that is why we love PM.
1838
01:39:24.840 --> 01:39:28.560
And because it does sort of weirdly work even though
1839
01:39:28.640 --> 01:39:31.640
it's scrappy and mad and rompish and everything else that
1840
01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:37.800
we've talked about, it sort of becomes classic PM despite itself.
1841
01:39:37.880 --> 01:39:39.159
Does that make any sense?
1842
01:39:39.399 --> 01:39:41.279
Yeah? No, I totally get what you're saying.
1843
01:39:41.880 --> 01:39:43.840
It's sort of here we go. Instead of it being
1844
01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:46.840
classic PM, it's iconic PM.
1845
01:39:47.239 --> 01:39:49.960
Yeah. Okay, yeah, No, that's that's I think that's well said.
1846
01:39:50.199 --> 01:39:55.359
Does that make sense? I know what I mean by that's.
1847
01:39:54.680 --> 01:39:58.279
Because as long as you know what you mean, Joe,
1848
01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:02.399
well a time, what are you gonna say? I say,
1849
01:40:02.399 --> 01:40:05.199
I'm absolutely agreeing with that. Yeah, it's almost like it's
1850
01:40:05.359 --> 01:40:08.319
a classic PM by default. It's like, yeah, because the
1851
01:40:08.439 --> 01:40:12.640
thing is like, even though they were they did traditional action.
1852
01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:16.399
Let's say they did have this kind of crazy willingness
1853
01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:19.439
to experiment. And I do think this kind of falls
1854
01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:23.039
into that experimental category that we'll experiment and see what
1855
01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:25.960
happens with Anna Nicole Smith. Like, you know, they experiment
1856
01:40:26.039 --> 01:40:27.680
with their action scenes. They are always trying to make
1857
01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:31.880
when it's bigger, louder, crazier. So if you think about
1858
01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:34.640
their experimental side, I think this falls into that.
1859
01:40:35.119 --> 01:40:38.479
And Anna Cole Smith is you know, she's she's the
1860
01:40:38.680 --> 01:40:45.479
next incarnation of a Jajah Gabor type American icon. And
1861
01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:47.920
there's no other way to explain, Like, yeah, she's an
1862
01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:50.279
icon for being trashy. Yeah, she's an icon for being
1863
01:40:50.319 --> 01:40:53.680
in Playboy. Yeah, she's an icon for marrying a you know,
1864
01:40:53.720 --> 01:40:56.600
a billionaire on a deathbed, whatever it is. She's you know,
1865
01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:59.560
she's an icon for dying young. She's like, she's but
1866
01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:05.479
she's she's like like the Kardashians are just a slightly better,
1867
01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:09.640
more polished version of Vanna Nicole Smith, who in herself
1868
01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:13.520
was a slightly more you know, ridiculous eighties and nineties
1869
01:41:13.640 --> 01:41:17.079
version of Josh Like it's just it's a continuation of.
1870
01:41:17.119 --> 01:41:19.359
Those Yeah, she would I mean, you know, she had
1871
01:41:19.399 --> 01:41:21.680
the mail memoral session. But let's not forget you mentioned
1872
01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:24.600
the Kardashian She had a reality show on E as well,
1873
01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:27.960
just like they and uh and she hawked products too.
1874
01:41:28.039 --> 01:41:32.479
But if you remember trim Spa, so you know her
1875
01:41:32.560 --> 01:41:35.119
career did follow a similar trajectory, just had more of
1876
01:41:35.159 --> 01:41:38.800
a tragic side to it. And we're lucky to have her.
1877
01:41:39.560 --> 01:41:42.079
Basically her two movies, you know, To the Limit and
1878
01:41:42.720 --> 01:41:46.319
this and so yeah, that was all part of that.
1879
01:41:48.359 --> 01:41:51.039
And I and I would put this over To the Limit,
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which I did watch recently as well, Like To the
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Limit is that is tough to get through, that is there.
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There's not even the occasional insane action piece to to
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really sideline the fact that you're having to sit through
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again another kind of pedestrianly directed sort of turgid slow
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spy drama interrupted by the occasional not needed sex scene.
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The only thing that To the Limit has going for
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it is the final death is death by CD in
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the floor, which is how I want to go. Well,
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that's how I want to go. That's how I'm going
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to put it in my will. So we can't really
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I mean, if I rank it out of Annekle Smith films,
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I've only seen two, and this one is the best one.
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Yeah, number one, Oh right, it's number one.
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So yeah, that's so it's number it's number fifty out
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of my favorite PM films, but it's number one out
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of my favorite Aticle Smith.
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Yes, it's always number one for her. So so you know,
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you do the law of averages. Now we're looking at
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more like twenty five divide fifty by two and that
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math works out right, it does.
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Well, look fellas, Thank you very much for joining me. Again.
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I think we have covered just about every aspect in
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this film. I think people who listen to the PM
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Entertainment podcast are like, when are they going to do Skyscraper? Like,
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I think there's there's a pot of that in there,
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and I hope that we've done it justice.
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I certainly hope so as well. And I'm honored that
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if there's people that want this, you know, skyscraper podcast
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that you invited us. Yea honest, So I want to
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thank you for that. But yeah, it worked out, Yeah,
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worked out, And I think, like you said, I think
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we covered every possible base. I think we were very
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thorough on this on this cast yeah, and I hope
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people appreciate that. And uh yeah, you know, maybe in
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another ten years I'll watch it again. Yeah, and if
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I have final words for this, I don't know if
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it's time for the final words, but uh my final
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words would be don't ask, why try but dry? Yeah? Perfect? Yeah,
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I can't beat that.
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And maybe just tell the listening several where they can
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find you and what it is you guys.
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Do well, Bratt, you wanted to sweet split it, I
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would just say, come up into reviews. Dot net is
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our website where we've reviewed a lot of action movies.
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I think over thirteen hundred at this point. And we
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also have a podcast that come up interviews podcast, find
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pods and wherever. Yeah, wherever you get your podcast, check
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it out and tie. As far as other socials, I'll
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let you do that because I don't know how well
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you got to be on our pod, John, Yes, Yeah,
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what's it called vstor Memories or something? Anyway, Well, we'll
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work that out.
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Yeah, let me know, and I'm happy to do whatever.
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Let's not forget just one last thing while we're talking
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on a Nicole Smith, she did legitimately star in Naked
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Gum thirty three and a third the Finnel Insult. She's
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in the Hudsucker proxy as jaaball Or is the jaj
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Argabor type. She's just her characters just called Jaja. So uh.
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And then she's also in Be Cool, the two thousand
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and five movie with that was a Get Shorty sequel.
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I never saw that.
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Yeah, I never saw that either.
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But I believe my son Naked Gun thirty three and
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a third in the theater and I and also if
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I remember, she was part of the commercials and marketing
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campaign of that movie. They were say, oh, this has
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Icle Smith. Well yeah on YouTube litter Yeah, so oh
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it's so oh socials right uh, tig come up as
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on the Twitter x and then tacting Rocks is my
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Instagram handle. I posted my VHS collection. I just posted
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Jango strikes Back, Franco.
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Nero, Donald pleasants.
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Donald Pleasant, your buddy Donald Pleasant.
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Wearing a big white top hat.
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That was great. He almost told the movie of his hat.
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I'll post more stuff, sod.
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And apparently she was in a nineteen ninety seven Super
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Tramp music video with Ood with Udo Kia.
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Wow, okay, I look, I gotta look that up. That's up.
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That's right up my alley.
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Yeah, super Tramp you win I Lose music video from
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nineteen ninety seven, directed by David Hogan, starring udo Kia
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and Anna Nicole Smith. Wow, I mean, come on now,
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she turned she she turned what she had into gold
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a decent enough career. Let's just say that she.
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Did it right after Skyscraper apparently, because.
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Yeah, good, good for her. Cool. All right, guys, work,
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take care of thanks for staying so late, and have
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a guy no problem, all right, by bye bye by
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like leaving entertainment podcast
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