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You got a very interesting show for you. We got
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a New York City cop retired Mike Cadella, and he
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contacted me because he heard the show we did with
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the Jim Rothstein, one of our most popular shows. And
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he says, hey, Ed, I'm the cop that Jim Morstein
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was talking about on the show. There. He wanted to
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get a hold of us here. So, Mike Cadella, are
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you there, Yes, I am a thanks, thank you so much.
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So tell us about yourself, my friend, who is Mike Cadella?
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Okay, Well, like you said, I'm gonna retire NYPD Detective Serjeant.
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I retire in two thousand and three. Prior to that,
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I worked in a bunch of different units here in
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New York City. Most of my career was spent in
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the Lower East Side Alphabet City, but I also worked
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and I did mostly narcotics with the Drug Enforcement Agency,
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and then eventually I worked with the Secret Service at
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the Air Force, and a bunch of other different units.
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I mean basically, I worked in in a bunch of
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different kind of cool units within the NYPD and within
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the New York City Housing Police.
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Okay, great, And where do you live now?
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Right now? I live in Brooklyn, New.
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York Okay, more part of Brooklyn.
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Borderline Bench and Hurst bad Piece.
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Okay, And you're the author of the book there's a
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book out there you wrote in twenty eleven around Alphaville
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nineteen eighty eight, Welcome to Heroin City.
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Is that correct, Yes, that's my that's my book, and
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it's based on a case I did it well, actually,
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it's based on a bunch of things set based on
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my life growing up in Brooklyn. And it's also based
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on a case I did with the DEA down on
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Alphabet City, Lower East Side.
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Okay, and you're saying that when you were a cop,
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you worked, you worked mostly in Manhattan.
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Yeah, for the most most part, I worked in Manhattan.
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Like I said, Alphabet City, Lower east Side. Now, the
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new term for it is called the East Village. When
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I worked there, like I said, it was called a
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Alphabet city. And it's completely different now than it was
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when I worked there back in the mid to late
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eighties and early nineteen nineties.
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Yeah, I could imagine, because I can remember Alphabet City
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back in the eighties. It was pretty intense. A lot
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of empty buildings, a lot of squatters, a lot of Heroin.
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What's it like now, a lot of yuppies?
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Yeah, I mean basically, like the property value is skylrocking.
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It's like the primary to live. A lot of celebrities
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down here, a lot of artists. It's kind of like
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the cool place in New York City. And like you said,
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back in the eighties, it was a war zone. Yeah,
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really was the strength. Yeah, it was a disaster and
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it was doping on the corner and heroin and crack
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on some locations. It's like I said, to hold it
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for now in the book, I kind of compare it
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to the Epcot cet Walt Disneys now as opposed to
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it work. Then.
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Yeah, you know, I got to get back to New York.
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I haven't been here in quite a while since like
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two thousand and three, and you know, I see these things.
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I can't believe it, you know. And even then when
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I went down to like the Village, you know, and
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Bigger Street and stuff like that, it was so different,
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you see, like the gap and stuff. I mean, like
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my god, it's so different. So I gotta go check
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it out.
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Yeah, it's completely different. Yeah, it's amazing. And now like
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you see high rise buildings on house and see and
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like van uc Has these luxury buildings and literally they
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were they were abandoned buildings like Arn't out building and
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crack Dames and heroin shooting galleries. It's it's it's amazing,
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totally major. I mean, it's great for the city. All
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started with, you know, when Juliani came in, and actually
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in my book, I like to take a little credit
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for cleaning up part of Alphabet City because of that
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case that the book is based on. We took down
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forty heroin dealers in one shot, big time dealers all
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basically that had operations on the Lower East Side and
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out for that city. And that's kind of what the
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book is about. And after that, it was kind of difficult,
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much more difficult to buy heroin, especially following those arrests
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for quite some time. And so basically the dealers and
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the dealers were left moved on and the guys I
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used drugs, well you know, we're looking at squaw dope
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didn't go out for that city nomore and that's kind
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of what started to clean up.
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Yeah, you know, I grew up in New York around
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that time and a lot of my friends I got
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addicted to heroin and we're in that neighborhood and I
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tell you it's really when you look back, it's horrific,
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really good quality people. Man, I just threw their lives
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away just to that evil addiction.
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Man, you know, but terrible. Where where'd you go? Where'd
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you live? In New York? New York City?
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Okay? I grew up in Staten Island. Uh And at
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first I grew up in the Bronx. I grew up
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in the Bronx. I was about thirteen years old, and
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we moved to Staten Islands in Soundview section of the Bronx. Uh,
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right by the Number six train between Sundview and Saint Lawrence.
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Then we moved to Staten Island. Okay, but then I
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Staten Island first of in the Eltingville Anadale area. Then
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I'm ok yeah. Then I moved to New Springle. I
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had in the state.
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Way.
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Were you live on Staten Island for a while?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And I still have friends out
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there and stuff.
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Yeah, Okay, what part of Stanton Island?
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I was out way up there out in the Cotton.
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Valeria Tonville, Okay, yeah, the one two three precis yeah.
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Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
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But I owned in the Staten Island mall. I used
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to own front page Beepers in the Staten Island mall.
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It was the why the beavers start first? Yeah, the people? Yeah, okay,
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but now let me tell you.
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Something that's good.
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In eighty eight though in Alphabet City, Now, weren't the
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these dealers and stuff like that, weren't they paying off
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the cops?
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We weren't they?
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What did weren't they paying off the cops?
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I mean, you know what that's you know, people say that.
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I mean like in the seventh five and the seventh seventh. Yeah,
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like I now got jammed up for doing all kinds
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of super ship and work with super stuff and work
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with these drug deals and and protecting them and you know,
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and that and that's that was on the level. But
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as far as you know, I never you know, guys
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to ship the heads and I tell them, but I
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never worked or knew any dirty cops down down where
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I worked, you know, I mean, you know, listen, hey, listen,
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the baby used to said I was dirty and and
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you know, and they may complains on me internal affairs,
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and that's actually my book, but you know, compecience tells
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you that they were they were looking to get rid
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of me. They were looking to get me off the street.
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I mean they put it a fifty thousand dollars contract
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up me at some point. But like for the guys
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that didn't have fifty thousand dollars to put it hit
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on me, they figured, let's sort of id and try
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to tell them that these guys are dirty and they've
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got Literally, I'll tell you what we were up on
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a lot, just to show you show you what they
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were up to. We were up on a wiretap on
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our main target down man. And I was actually in
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Brazil training with the Gracie family Brazilian jiu jitsu in Brazil.
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I was on vacation in Brazil, and it came over
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the wiretap that I just shook down this particular drug dealer.
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So I think it was like three or four thousand dollars.
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That's what he was telling his boss that I shook
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him down for four thousand over the phone. He was
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telling his boss that I shook him down for four
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thousand dollars when I wasn't even around. I mean, So
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that's what they would do. They would tell the boss
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is that you know, they shook me down, and you know,
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and then they tell IOB that they've got to IB
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and the say, yeah, they sh me down. But meanwhile
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they were keeping the money. So like a lot of
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times you hear cops are dirty, I'm not sure what
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cops are clean, because obviously, you know, all of nothing
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is good and all nothing is bad. But I wasn't
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really acquainted with any cops that were on the take
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or of that stuff.
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Okay, And this guy, Michael down you describe it. He's
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out now, he's out, and he's doing appearances. He's got
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a book in the movie deal, he's gotta you.
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Know what he just got It was just a paper
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the other day. He just got arrested for chop his golfriend.
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Okay, well she probably.
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Yeah, so he's back here. Well I would think he's
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in jail, but he got to arrested again.
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Yeah, well yeah, once a second in trouble, you know. Okay, Okay,
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and Michael doubt people should look up that case. I
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tried to book him for the show too. It's a
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notorious case. This guy was doing all kinds of.
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Stuff, but he was out of control. Out of control.
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How were you able to make But he was.
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Drug but he was a drug but he habit, you know,
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you know, So he was doing anything to make money,
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stealing drugs, stealing money. You know, he was supporting his hobbit.
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Now that's nothing too, because back in the eighties the
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cops didn't have drug test.
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Today, Oh yeah, we had drug tests in the drug test. Yeah,
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that's the honest I'm on. I came on a job
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in nineteen eighty three and I was already enforced uh
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you know, procedure.
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Okay, yeah, you're right, because I can remember being a
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party's name, went small part and stuff like that. Now
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it's a small world. Now, you worked for the housing Authority.
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Where'd you work for the Housing authority? Police?
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Well, I worked a low but for most of my
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career I worked in PSA four, which is Lower east Side.
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Alphabet City covers the Lower east Side. Alphabet City also
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covers other parts of Manhattan covered part of the West Side.
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They covered downtown Manhattan by like Schmith's projects, like that area,
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but but again it covers Alphabet City. And which is where? Which?
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Which is where I work?
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Now, you didn't happen to ever work with a guy
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named Bobby Harris.
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Bobby Harris, I do work for Bobby Harris.
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Okay, well Bob Harris here I was the best man
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at his wedding.
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Is that right, that's funny, and that's right.
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He started in the Housing Authority, which is no longer exists.
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Housing Authority isn't even there anymore. He was the best
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man at my wedding too, But look it's the one
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with the same one. He went to work for NYPD
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Harbor Aviation Harbor.
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Yeah, yeah, yes, the school not a harbor school, yeah,
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harbor right. Yeah.
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He was a scuba diver. Yeah, but he was in
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the it's the same unit. The Harbor Aviation is scuba
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and helicopters and and all that stuff.
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You know, it's funny. I was in the gym, you know,
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I'm from Kenosi, Brooklyn. That's where and that's where most
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of my book, uh right, you know my young years
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grew up. But for a little while when when I
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when I was actually in Seven Island, I was in
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the gym and he had shaved this that completely bolder.
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I didn't recognize him, you know, and it came over
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to me in the gym we were working out, and
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he said, you know you my cadella, and I'm looking
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at him. I'm like, yeah, you know, I kind of
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barely said I said, oh, here you go. But but
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after Hay was kind of hard to recognize, you, you know, Yeah,
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he's a good guy.
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Bother Yeah, he's a great guy. And you want to
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know what's really funny too, is he's great at recognizing
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people because he was out here in Vegas. One time
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we were partying down at the hard Rock Hotel pool
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and who's sitting next to us. Remember Jennifer will Banks
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the runaway bride, Remember that story, like the guy she
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was gonna.
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Get married and she left the groom at the Yeah.
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Yeah, she was like from Tennessee or something like that.
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He she comes up to get a drink, She comes
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up to the bar to get a drink, and he goes,
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that's the runaway bride, that's her, and she kind of
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kind of yeah, she kind of admitted it, but no
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one else recognized her to what he was talking about. Yeah,
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he's he was really good. That kind of thing good.
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I'd say, people, Yeah, that's great, that's great. Yeah.
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People laugh at me, you know, because I say, oh, yeah,
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I met the guy. I know this guy. Like it's
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a small world, you know.
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It's a small world. Now, Now, how is he Is
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he on the job or did he retire?
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I don't know. I don't know if he were tired
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or not. But he's still there and standing out at
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the same house. I know that. Uh. Now, what about
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how did you take down this this heroine operation there
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in Alphabet City.
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Well, you know, I worked in the same area in uh,
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basically Avenue D, which covers from House Avenue D from
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Housing Street to fourteenth Street, and it's called Lillian Walled Houses,
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it's Jacob Priests Houses, and it's also the Brook Houses
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on it was actually on the other side of House
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and Street. But in any event, at one point, actually
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at this point in the mid eighties, it was the
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most congested populated area per square foot in the world,
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even more even more congested than like parts of China
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and parts of Japan, which real congestic that's how many
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people lived in the project in these particular projects at
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this point. But in any event, so me and my
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part of we first got there in uniform, we worked
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uniform to together. Uh. Then eventually they put us both
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in the Unicorn Operation eight and that was a federally
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funded plain clothes unit and it was only specified that
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we look for drug arrests in certain projects and Avenue D,
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those Living Wall Reach Houses and Brooke houses were on
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that special eight projects, so Operation eight. So that's where
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we always had worked anyway, and then when we got
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to Operation eight, we stayed there and we got to
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know everyone like everyone everyone good bad. It didn't matter
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because we were always there playing clothes. We weren't so
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much under cover because people know us. We were locking
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everyone up and not playing clothes. But we became like
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a part of a fabric of having you dig like
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almost like like almost like we lived there and people
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come up and give us all kind of deformation on
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who's telling what drug and what new dealer is out
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of jail, and who's going to get killed, and you know,
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who did this shooting? And we got you know, we
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were making a million collars. And then there was just
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one really bad guy that was reading the whole operations.
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It didn't matter what drug dealer got killed, someone would
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just step in their place. And it was the one
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particular bad guy whose name in the book is Davy
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blue Eyes. I kind of changed his name a little bit,
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but so he was the guy behind the scenes that
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I think my whole career I only see one. But
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in any event, Dea was trying to work a case
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on him. And when they heard that we knew everybody,
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they came and spoke to us. They came with a
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bunch of pictures and we identified everyone in the pictures
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and then eventually they absorbed us into the DEA and
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then we sent to them to cover in to make
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some buys. We got up on the wiretap and eventually
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we arrested, like I said, forty forty one drug dealers
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from heit me Dig.
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Now, for people who've never been to New York, you know,
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because we got people, We have people from South Africa
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listened to the show.
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All over the world.
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Ireland. Yeah. Now, just describe to people what the New
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York City housing projects are like.
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Well, they high rise buildings and for the most part
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they're well not for the most part their low income.
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So I mean you have low income tenants living in
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these high rise buildings, crowded. I mean there's a lot
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of hardworking people. I get up in the morning just
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like you and I do, and go to work and
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come home. And then you get like anywhere else, you
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get big guys and the people that you know, I
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guess because uh, they're not paying an exorbitant rent for Manhattan,
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they're not working or they're not looking to work and
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they're hustling. Their husband's strolling drugs or you know, stick
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ups or shootings, and you know, so it's a tough existence.
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It's you're an honest, legitimately took person to have to
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step over bials of track or empty bay's adult or
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hypodermic neat like in my book, I took about it.
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In Brooklyn, we used to play or go to school.
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On the way to school, you kick a can all
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the way to school. When you see kids kicking a
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needle all the way to school, I mean, that's how
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prevalent the heroine was. So for an honest person, it's
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it's it's you know, in some cases, it's a tough existence.
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Yeah, and then you've got like these people like the grandmother,
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you know, she's raising her daughter's kids. You know, you
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got the grandmother, were like three or four different kids
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in there, and she can't work. She got some kind
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of disease, and it's just, uh, just a really horrific situation.
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And you know, with with really no optimism, you know
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what I mean, there's very little optimism.
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I mean, it's it's tough, like you know, I you know,
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you know, I hate to sound like an ulso liberal
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because I'm not. But you know, sometimes you feel like
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these kids don't have the shot. You know, they come,
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you know, they see people pulling, they see drug dealers
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pulling up in beautiful cause and maybe their parents are
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making almost nothing, maybe they don't have any parents, and
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the drug dealer, you know, it's it's very enticing. And
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then you know, they get dragged or drawn into that
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kind of lifestyle and really the only outcome is they
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end up just you know, just like always, they end
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up in jail or they end up the OA.
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You know, it's so true. And if you're growing up,
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if that's all you see, if that's all you know,
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you know, you can't have some dream of you know,
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going to be a congressman or something, a lawyer, it's
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not even even in your imagination. It's just what you see,
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what your example, your role models are growing up as
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a kid. Now, did you ever strike you how some
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of these guys could be making so much money but
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then they still live there in those horrible conditions.
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I don't know, it's you know, I can you know
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in a lot of these cases they have homes, other homes, right,
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But not not all the time, but sometimes they do
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have other homes, but they they gravitate back to what
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they know, which is you know, the projects that they
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find their family. But we did a case on this
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kid called his name was Filix Pachado. He lived over
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on Madison Street, which is what they called the hill
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in Low Manhattan. Anyway, when we did the Wawne on
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his house, he had so many he was now he
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was a multi millionaire. We fell pictures with him with
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the He was very close to the Chinese dealers because
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he grew up that area is on Madison Street. There's
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a lot of Chinese and back then most of the
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drug dealers heroin deals were get using Chinese heroins. So
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he grew and he actually grew up with the Chinese
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and they actually took him in like a son. So
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I had when we did want us on his house,
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we find pictures with him on private jets with these
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older Chinese men, the Triad guys, and today they took
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him in. But then event when we did the war
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in his house on Madison Street, he had broaches falling
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from the ceilings like we couldn't wait, and you could
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hear like a buzz when they when there were millions
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of broaches, they actually make like a buzz, yeah, and
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they were flawing off the sheiling on us now here
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we are trying to do a want and it was
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like four or five of us, uh, and we were
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so skeeeked out by these bugs really fall in our hair,
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on our arms, down our back. So we did this one.
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He was he was getting the rested regardless of what
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we found. And we found a couple of hours we
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found uh. I don't even if we how many drugs,
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but in anybody was getting arrested. When he left for
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of my informance says you know, you guys missed a
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million dollars, cashed million dolls and how he said it
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was it was right in the speakers in his room.
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It was that we were so and of us to
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get out of that place that we over overlooked the
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million dollars that he had hit it.
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So let's go back.
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Well, he's no longer with us. They killed him while hollow.
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I believe it was on a Halloween night they killed
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They killed Billy.
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That's interesting, and that brings up back the reason why
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you contacted me originally, because you wanted to get a
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hold of Jim Martstein because you had some kind of
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connection with the Son of Sam case. Now you people
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do when when the Son of Sam case was going on,
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you had you're my age, so you had to be
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like in grammar school when uh away and all these
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guys around it. So tell people what was the Son
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of Sam the case? First? Tell people that.
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Well it son of saying was uh a few of
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the shootings and killings in New York City in the
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mid seventies, like seventy six, seventy seven, and what it
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appeared at the time was a serial killer and they
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it appeared that he was targeting female whites with short
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i'm sorry, with long dark hair. And this was going on,
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like I said, in the seventies, So all the girls
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went and died. They had bond or they put their
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hair their dark hair up in a bunch, or looked
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like they had short hair. But there was when all
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was said and done with the Son of Sam killing,
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there were six dead and seven other people were shot.
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And they happened in Manhattan, I'm sorry. The shootings happened
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in the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens. And then eventually they
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made an arrest of David Burke was one one person
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who they believed did all the shootings and all the killings,
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and he.
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Didn't really match any of the they had the sketches,
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you know, he didn't really match any of the sketches
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or anything. People had described other cars and other people.
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But they pinned it all on Burke's in the end.
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Right, they didn't on Burke Witch And he actually confessed
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in really what was was? You know? He you know,
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he confessed almost like being a guinea pig made up
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to think about him. He was a navy dog bark
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and they the dog told him to do these shootings,
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but but he was. He confesses being a lone government
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to all these shootings.
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So then okay, then so then this happened when you
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were a kid, you know, you get him copy down
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to us A four there at the Housing Authority Police.
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Then then how'd you become involved in the son of
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Sam case? They reopened it or something?
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Well, yeah, years later back in so when the Housing
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Police merged, I had left to d A. We did.
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I did a bunch of good cases. After we did
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a little least like case. I actually started doing a
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lot on the cover of work. I actually bought the
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highest quality of heroine ever at the time, and it
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was the first time heroin ever came from Columbia. But eventually,
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when I left the DEA, the NYPD in the New
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York City uh NYPD in the Housing Police, and the
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New York City changing the police a merged into one
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and I ended up the Missing person Squad, which which
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I hated. It was do not like not an active squad.
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It wasn't you know. My whole career was enforcing, like
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you know, going out and locking people up, and here
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I was doing like a missing persons, which if you
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don't know what's going on, then you say, well, that's
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kind of interesting. But in actuality percent, I don't have
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the exact ninety five percent of missing persons of runaways
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who eventually returned, and there's no real crime involved, there's
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no locking anybody up. And and I went there as
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a sergeant. So I went there and as a supervisor,
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and I was supervised with a squad of guys that
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most of them are happy being that, not being enforcingate,
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not doing a lot of work, and you know, it
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was almost like I was being punished. I was I
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felt like I was being punished at being a little
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too aggressive out when I was with the DA, So
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I kind of got spanked and put into missing persons
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in the merge with it, which is like in the
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middle of nineteen ninety five, and then eventually I ended
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up with this case.
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Let me ask a couple of questions. First of all,
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when he did do that merger with the Housing Authority
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and the transit, did you think there was a good
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thing or a bad thing.
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I thought it was a bad thing. I thought actually
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the people in the projects were going to suffer, you know,
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because like I said, me and my part we knew everybody,
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you know, and we weren't the only ones. There are
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other cops in other projects that were known and for
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lack of a better term, feared. You know, they were
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afraid of getting arrested because you know, people talk to
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their cops, so you know, I knew that would probably
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and when they merged, and I think for the most part,
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just kind of did you know.
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And so then after that, like the cops would only
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show up to the projects when they were responding.
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To a call. Yeah, I mean, now they have the
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housing grow and I think they assigned cops to the
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housing projects so it's not a bit as I think
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it was originally. But originally, yeah, they were all the
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cops wents will precinct and then they just had a sect.
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Their second would be, you know, it was their place
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of control would be a certain amount of these certain projects.
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And they go in only on occasion when they get
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a job there, as opposed to being there every day
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or working the same area every day.
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Yeah, that's a that's a huge difference. Now, now you said,
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you said you think they sent you to missing persons
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to punish you. Now, was this because you were making
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too many busts and people were making profit off the
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heroin trade in New York and the drug trade?
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No, no, I I don't know when I when I
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before I retired, you know, before I left EA, I
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was really hustling, trying to make a lot of you know,
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starting good cases and and you know sometimes I started
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good case. You know, you can't go you can't go
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out with the surveillance team when you're just starting a
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case because first of all, you don't really know the
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bad guys, and you know they're already hinked up, they're
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already looking to see who you are. And I wasn't
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going meeting these bad guys but under an introduction, like
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I wasn't being introduced. So let's say these dead guys
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in Cornye Allen, I wasn't being introduced to them by
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an informant, right. I would just go to Cornye Allen
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with shorts and a tank top and I hang out
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in Cornyellen until I eventually met the targets, the guys
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that I knew. I had to go infiltrate, and that's
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what I did. So I couldn't go there and tell
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the DA, look, I'm going to go on twenty thirty
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Mermaid Avenue today. Keep an eye on me, because first
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of all, I'm going to scare people just by being
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a strange face. And now they're going to see what
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kinds of strange cause and strange white guys in cars
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in the area. And it works. So I did that
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on numerous occasions, and I started, you know, really good cases.
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But at some point in the DA was like, Mike, man,
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you're gonna get hurt, you're gonna get shot, you're going
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to get in trouble, you know, let us know or
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you know. And anyway, when I finally left DA, and
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then the merge happened. It was kind of like, listen,
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you got to slow down a little bit, and they
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kind of put me a missing person.
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Okay, all right, So now you're over missing persons. You
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don't like it, and somehow you become involved in a
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reopening of the sun Sam case. Had that happen?
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Well, what happened was I was working and we get
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a call from an inmate in Attica and he gets
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me on the phone to speak to me. And he
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gets me on the phone and he says he has
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information on a particular missing person. And it was kind
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of a I don't want to get into who it was,
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but it was a kind of a well known missing
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person case. And he says, I have information on this guy.
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If you become a pratica, I'll give you all the information.
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And so I go make a trip with another protective
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up to Attica and I go I interview this When
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I go up there, there the press off the State
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correction guys. You like, you know, this guy's a big guy.
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You want to sit in the room when you interview him.
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I'm like, no, it's okay, I'll be well, you know,
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we'll be fine. Go in the room and here comes
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this big monster, this guy at the time, and he
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was he was he was not currently while he was
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in the joint, but he was an x one percent bike.
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The tough guy comes in, like I said, twenty and
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fifty pounds and now he's walking with a limp, kind
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of strange looking, just that look, you know, like the
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guys who he would never forget. And he comes in
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the room and he stuck the cinder's tail about what
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he did regarding the son of same case and well
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regarding the pulp the processed Church and David Berkowitz, and
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and that's how so from there it went from the
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missing person guy that he knew about who he kind
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of who he says, uh had been sacrificed by this
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you know, process Church. And from there he spend this,
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you know, a story about purples. And that's how we
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reopened the case.
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That's interesting, Now, what was his motivation for giving you
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this information?
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00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:55.839
His motivation, like most inmates, is to get probed.
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Okay, how long had been how long had he been
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been in prison?
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So he got arrested probably like eighty one and this
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was ninety five, like ninety six, about fifteen years. So yeah,
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just about fifteen years and he was doing to get
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uh to see the prole boars and that's what he
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was looking for us to, you know, put a letter
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in from to get full He was in He was
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in jail for sexually abusing his daughter, for having his
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wife have sex with the son he was. He was
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a real uh low life, you know, and some of
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00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:38.119
his his one percent bike gang brothers were arrested with
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him for the same stuff.
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Yeah, well that wasn't that was okay, what do you
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don't want to say? What biker gang?
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The name of the biker game was the rat Pack
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motorcycle club. They actually got involved with from kind of
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stabbing with another guy and then it was the standard
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and then he uh he even another guy. You know,
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we initiated or we started a gay I don't know
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if they were rob meant to be honest.
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Okay, all right, listen, this is a good time. Were
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going to take a commercial break. We're with Mike Cadella
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and he's telling us about his first of all, about
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his book which was called Alphaville, New York, nineteen eighty eight.
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wants if you have any information about the stuff we're
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talking about, if you want to, if you're a confidential informant,
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you want to give him a tip? Mike, how can
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people reach you?
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I guess up really easy. Email. It's Mike C. New
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York City at gmail dot com.
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Mike C. New York City at gmail dot com. We're
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going to be right back after these messages with more
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of Mike Cadella, author of Alphaville, New York nineteen eighty eight.
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Welcome to herin city. And he's telling us about this
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this biker gang called the rat Pack, and he's a
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guy and is doing fifteen years in prison one percenter
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biker and he's in there for the sexual abuse for
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his own kids. Now, now, Mike, when he first tells
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you about the processed Church of the Final Judgment, were
719
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:07.400
you familiar with that that cult?
720
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:15.119
No? Excuse me, no, I wasn't wasn't familiar with it.
721
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.280
He kind of like didn't just come out and say
722
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:19.719
you know, he just he set a cold a kind
723
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:22.079
of cult, and then eventually he came acrosse with the name.
724
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:22.239
You know.
725
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:24.800
Okay, so when he starts talking about a satanic cult,
726
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:27.079
did you say, then, get what are you talking about?
727
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.639
Or did you say I had just seen that kind
728
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:30.239
of thing before.
729
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:37.840
Oh you know what the lowis the LORDI said, not
730
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.880
not so much sur projects, but down like H. Saint
731
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.480
Mark's and H. Thomas Slip Park, there was always like
732
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:50.159
they had like an underground I don't know iful we satanic,
733
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.480
but maybe like uh, dark magic, that kind of stuff
734
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:55.440
that you say happen. Me and my partner we used
735
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.840
to work midnights. We see them, we wouldn't. We didn't
736
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.039
have any involving with them, to be honest. They didn't
737
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:05.000
do anything outwardly or any criminalized in front of us.
738
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:07.360
But like I knew what I knew, they existed. And
739
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:12.719
then when he equated burkele Witz to the cult and
740
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:17.360
satanic stuff, it really didn't surplies me because I remember
741
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:20.840
even as like as a kid, I remember Berkowitz, but
742
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.239
growing up I had heard stories and read stuff about
743
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.679
burkeo Witz, and so I knew what you know, I
744
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:29.400
knew what he was talking about. I was kind of
745
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:33.280
not investigating it by any means, but I knew what
746
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.239
he was talking about when he was talking about a
747
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.159
cult in Berkowitz involvement.
748
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:39.960
Now real important. What year was this when you met
749
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:40.440
this biker?
750
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.119
Like ninety six, ninety seventh.
751
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:47.480
Nineteen ninety six, ninety seven, Now do you know? Do
752
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:49.360
you know if that was before or after all the
753
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:55.719
military books came out? You know, the ultimately I think
754
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:56.000
it was.
755
00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:58.480
I think it was right up. I'm not sure when
756
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.199
Terry's book came out, but I think Terry's book was
757
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:02.760
already out.
758
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:04.840
Okay, Now, did you ever talk to Money Terry?
759
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.960
I spoke to him once. Uh, during the during when
760
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:14.199
we kind of reopened the investigation and when we didn't
761
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:17.440
help it officially, like nothing, you know, nothing comes down
762
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:19.320
saying we're opening a case up. You know, what we
763
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:23.639
were doing was we were investigating, uh the missed Well,
764
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:25.199
let me tell you what happened with the missing person.
765
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:28.199
So what happened? What happened? I'll go back to when
766
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:33.400
I first meet uh this guy at Attica. So it
767
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:35.400
gives us the story that he's part of his bike
768
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:40.039
a gang, which we confirmed later on. And talk about
769
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.360
the small world you were talking about before. You and
770
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.360
I know uh some people in common. I'll tell you
771
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.199
that even what a small world was. So I grew
772
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:50.239
up in Konosi, but I used to go to Ridgewood,
773
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.920
uh to work out up in Waylift and Jim. And
774
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:56.559
also it was on top of the which Visital Grove Grove,
775
00:40:56.599 --> 00:41:00.800
which was a boxing gym. So and so when this
776
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:03.760
guy gives us the story, and I'll tell you what
777
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.519
the sawyer. So he tells us that he was part
778
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:10.480
of this biker gang. He was the vice president. He says,
779
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:14.320
he was the vice president, and he was hired by
780
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:17.239
these rich people in Yankins in Westchester to do security
781
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:20.199
around their homes and their mansions when they were doing
782
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:24.760
uh Satanic rituals, and the security until making sure the
783
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:27.360
cops didn't run up on the place, right because and
784
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:31.880
then the bikers were you know, uh cause interference between
785
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:35.719
the cops and these homes or if other bad guys
786
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:39.119
were looking to volve them. So the biker gang secured
787
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:41.920
the premise where the satanic stuff was going on, and
788
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:50.199
the satanic colt according to this informant, was really the backdrop.
789
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:53.159
In other words, white people got involved with for the sex, drugs,
790
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:56.000
rock and roll, that kind of stuff, and the Satanic
791
00:41:56.079 --> 00:42:00.400
stuff was kind of on the back burner. But eventually
792
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:03.079
from doing security for them for such a long time,
793
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:10.280
he ingratiates himself with these uh Satanic higher ups, the
794
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:14.239
priest or the more important people in the cult, and
795
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.239
little by little he starts to go into these houses
796
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:22.719
when when they're doing these rituals, and in fact, later
797
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.800
on he becomes like a priest. Him and the president
798
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:26.880
of a biker gang both become like a priest in
799
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:30.960
this in the in the cult, a high priest. But
800
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.159
then event when he first gets involved, so now he's
801
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.760
taking part with the drugs, the sex, which involved all
802
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:40.000
kinds of sex with kids, all kinds of stuff, which
803
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:42.199
was he was in jail for anyway, right, which makes sense,
804
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.199
And he ingratiates himself with these people he's in there.
805
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.079
So now at some point he's doing security at one
806
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.559
on one particular night and he goes in and he
807
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:57.039
sees that they call up dismissing person. They lead him
808
00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:01.119
to the author and he says and what he thought
809
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:03.480
was going to be just a blessing of this person,
810
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:06.280
and he recognized the missing from the name when they
811
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:07.679
called him up. They called him up by his name,
812
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:09.719
and he recognized this missing person because it was kind
813
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:14.440
of a well known case from some time before. They
814
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:17.239
called this person up. They put him on a makeshift alter,
815
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.840
they measure them, they say prayers and some foreign language
816
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.800
that he doesn't understand, and instead of just doing a blessing,
817
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.239
an evil blessing or whatever he would call it, they
818
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:31.639
actually sacrifice him. Now, my informant said that he takes
819
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:34.360
himself away from the actual act. He doesn't see it,
820
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.199
but he later learns that that's what they did, which
821
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:41.480
kind of makes sense because like most big guys, they
822
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.559
never put themselves at the scene of the actual crime.
823
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.599
You know, they'll lead lead you right up there, and
824
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:48.360
they you know, they won't be there at the time.
825
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:52.719
So anyway, that's that's the story he gives us. And
826
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.280
it was kind of hard to verify because a lot
827
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:59.320
of the people that were there in the cult, he
828
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:04.079
didn't really know their names. They all had aliases and nicknames,
829
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:08.519
and so he couldn't say, like John Doe was there
830
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:10.960
because he didn't know who John Doe was he just
831
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.400
knew them by face. But the few names he did
832
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:18.519
give us we couldn't verify, like they were dead or
833
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:21.400
we couldn't find him, and you know, so it was
834
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.679
it was. It was hard. But getting back to his
835
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:29.639
association with the bikers, he gave us information that that
836
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.400
did leave on like that did pan out. And one
837
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.119
of the things was he talked about how one of
838
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:38.719
the bikes, one of his biker guys associates, bought a
839
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.119
couple of guns. He says, I'll tell you something you
840
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:44.199
could go check out. Uh uh, he says. Did this
841
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:49.480
guy Eddie, he works out at this gym in Ridgewood, Zim's,
842
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:51.800
And that's why I worked out and he boxed the
843
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.079
original groove and I knew who ed he was and
844
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:58.400
thought up and when I spoke to Eddie and I EDNT.
845
00:44:58.639 --> 00:44:59.679
I don't know if I he knew I was a
846
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:01.679
copper not, but I did. I did myself. I spoke
847
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:03.920
to him. I said, look, man, I know your long time.
848
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:08.559
Did you ever sell a gun to uh this particular individually?
849
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:10.480
So yeah, man, I sold a bunch of guns to him.
850
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.440
So like he did give us information that panned out,
851
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:17.320
not only regarding the cult, but even regarding his own
852
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:19.159
stuff and his bike is while the bike is and
853
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.239
no kind you know, all kinds of uh from promo
854
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:23.199
stuff they were involved with.
855
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.599
Now the missing person's case, you don't want to say
856
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:27.519
that name. How come.
857
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.239
You know what? Because it's to be honest, it's still
858
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:37.480
a sensitive case and there's still information coming like coming
859
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.199
back to that. Uh disuseful, we say, right, so if
860
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.199
somebody so in other words, that if the guys who
861
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:49.119
are investigating it are going down one path, I don't
862
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:51.800
want them to leave that path alone and come look
863
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.360
at what I what I did, because my my, my
864
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:56.920
stuff is there already, they can look at it. I
865
00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:58.440
don't want them to leave what they're doing. If they
866
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:01.400
think they're gonna find this take an individual doing what
867
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:03.480
they're doing, then I bother him do it.
868
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:07.440
So okay, but you'll tell me off the air, right yeah, okay?
869
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.519
Now this missing person case? Is this a missing person
870
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:11.360
that went missing when.
871
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:14.280
They were a kid, when they were young?
872
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:15.880
Yeah, okay, all right, I think I know what you're
873
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:17.519
talking about. I got a couple of people I want
874
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:20.719
you to talk to because because you know, by the way,
875
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.320
you know that whole MORI terry, all his work, and
876
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.400
he just died recently, you know that, right, you know?
877
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.360
I know I didn't know that. Actually, yeah, he.
878
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.920
Died about a year ago, okay, and all his material,
879
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.199
all his life's work all. And he had a ton
880
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.119
of stuff because we were part of a private group
881
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.440
on Facebook and he would post pictures and police reports.
882
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:43.320
This guy's got stuff coming out of his ears that
883
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:45.599
you know, and we're all terrified it's going to go
884
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:48.039
to the grave with him, you know, but we know
885
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.039
who has it, so maybe we can we can figure
886
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.719
something out here. And I got a couple other guys too.
887
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.039
I know, a guy who was actually a victim of
888
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:56.960
this call too, has come to me and wants to
889
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:01.280
talk to somebody. Okay, and the missing person I think
890
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.119
I know who that is. Okay, Now, did this biker
891
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:05.679
did he ever mention named Roy Raidon?
892
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.960
You know he did, I tell you the truth. He
893
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:16.960
was such a he gave us so much information it
894
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.480
was almost overwhelming, you know, really and and and it
895
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:23.760
was hard to like keep him on track. Like. So
896
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:26.000
we were looking to find we were looking to verify
897
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:30.440
what happened to this missing person, and all of a sudden,
898
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:32.519
I don't know where he would say, boy Raider. And
899
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:34.840
then when he said Burkeles, he said, Okay, now we
900
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:39.679
gotta let's concentrate on burkle Witz. You know, let's let's
901
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.199
go that route and let's see what happened, you know,
902
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:44.320
with that, with that, with that information.
903
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:46.679
Now when he started talking to you about Raydon, was
904
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:49.239
Raidon already? Who was his body discovered at that time?
905
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.000
Because it's right around the same time too, you.
906
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:53.960
Know, you know, I be honest with you know what,
907
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:55.000
I really don't remember.
908
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:57.119
You know, do you still have your notes and stuff
909
00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:58.000
from this interview?
910
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:02.519
No, not only do I have it, but you know
911
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:07.800
a lot of the reports that we did didn't get
912
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:11.840
filed correctly. They're not around, you know, like the like
913
00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:16.039
the actual police reports, you know, they're not They're not around.
914
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:18.679
I would the sergeant. So like in other words, if
915
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:21.039
I went to if I went so so, I couldn't
916
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.679
catch a case. Right, I was a supervisor. You know
917
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:25.199
a lot of times I wasn't even supposed to be that.
918
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:28.920
I was supposed to be supervising a group of thirty detectives, right,
919
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:31.360
so I'm not supposed to go out to Attica I'm
920
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:35.280
supposed to send two detectives Attica or Sing Sing or wherever,
921
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:38.480
even for Queens or Lebronx, it doesn't matter. I'm not
922
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:41.320
supposed to do that. I'm supposed to send two detectors,
923
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:43.880
find out what they found out, and have to do
924
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:46.000
the reports and then sign my name. But you know
925
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:48.559
that was contradictedly to well done my whole career, right,
926
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.519
So I would always go. But when I would go,
927
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:54.480
I wouldn't take the notes. I would let the detective
928
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:56.760
take the notes. You know, it was his case or
929
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.239
one of his partner's case, and they would take them notes,
930
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:01.599
and they would do the report and then I would
931
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:03.800
sign it. But I would be there, you know, listening
932
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:07.440
information from from whoever. So I never took the notes.
933
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:11.559
Now the notes in the Department of Guard, the personal
934
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:16.039
notes written by the detective uh no longer are no
935
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:19.000
longer around the notes. The little notes that I did take,
936
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:21.039
which were all my memo books went down in nine
937
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:23.480
In nine to eleven, my office was in seven World
938
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:28.079
Trade and all my my uh memo books and and
939
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:31.880
tans or burnt in the seven World Trade, uh, you know,
940
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:32.880
terror side.
941
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:37.800
So you were in that that command center, that was
942
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:41.440
supposed to be like the doomsday command center, right, that's
943
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:42.320
the one we're talking about.
944
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.119
My building, the building seven Will Trade. It had the
945
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:51.920
uh yeah, it had the bunk underneath the bunker. Yeah. Yeah,
946
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.639
that was my building. Yeah. And that building burnt. Uh
947
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.840
you know, because it didn't just go down like like
948
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.199
one in two World Trade like the photos. Some people's
949
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:05.559
personal items, uh survived, But nothing survived in seven Will
950
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:10.000
Trade because it burnt. So, you know, nothing I had survived, nothing,
951
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:11.719
anybody had survived that building.
952
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:13.599
And the theory was is because there was a big
953
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.679
diesel fuel tank inside that building.
954
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:21.559
Yeah, that's why the building got so hot and you know,
955
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:26.159
kept burning and burned right to the steel girders and everything. Yeah.
956
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:29.880
I was told that that New York City command center
957
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:34.000
and Building seven wasn't really in use, that it was
958
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:34.960
just for show.
959
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:35.239
It was.
960
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:37.360
It was it was an office they had set up
961
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.239
with these flat screen TVs just for news conferences and
962
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:42.079
just to show off. Do you know anything about that?
963
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:47.039
No, you know that was when I was just flying
964
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:49.239
to the World Trade seven Will Trade. I was just
965
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:51.840
flying to the West African Tank Force at the Secret Service.
966
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.199
So I was in that building we were up on
967
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:57.760
the higher floor. That was on the lower floor, and
968
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.199
actually I think underneath the building. So no, I was
969
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:01.280
never there, never there.
970
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:04.199
Okay, all right, all right, now back to this guy,
971
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:07.480
the biker. The one percenter is the rap Pack Motorcycle Club.
972
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.719
I never heard of it in my rap Pack Motorcycle Club.
973
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:12.199
Now you mentioned that he was talking about these rich,
974
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:14.639
powerful people in Yonkers. Did he know any of their names?
975
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:22.800
He knew a few names, right, and he gave the
976
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.519
names he didn't know, not a lot. Like I said,
977
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:29.719
everybody went by aliases, you know, and even to each other,
978
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.320
not only to him, but even to each other. And
979
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:34.079
it's for that reason that they, you know, they were
980
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.719
so hard to get caught. You know that it was
981
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.199
hard to catch them because even if they had any
982
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:42.679
for me involved, they didn't know really who each other was.
983
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.559
But he gave us, uh one or two names that
984
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:50.119
we looked into and we interviewed, and uh, for the
985
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:53.440
most part, they laid up right away, you know, we did.
986
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:56.480
He gave us one of a guy that was in
987
00:51:56.599 --> 00:52:00.920
Florida that owned a car dealership. His family owned a
988
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.639
car dealership. If I didn't go to listen to you,
989
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:06.639
I sent the two detectives down there and they interviewed
990
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:10.960
this guy. And it was a car dealership that their
991
00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:14.239
family had owned forever. Right, I don't even know if
992
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.079
it was a Cadillac dealership or a Lincoln markety dealership,
993
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:20.480
but the family had owned this dealership forever. And my
994
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.880
detective went down there. They interviewed him, they attempted to
995
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:28.639
interview him. He lawyered up right away. They went down
996
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:30.239
there again. I sent him down there again a few
997
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:33.039
months later and the car dealership was gone. They closed,
998
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:36.960
they closed up, and that it was really strange, like
999
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:39.280
everybody said that he was acting real, you know, like
1000
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:42.280
they were able to okay, able to work people that
1001
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.639
worked to him at the dealership and they were like, man,
1002
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:46.679
he really once you guys came down, he was able
1003
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:49.960
the same. Now, so everything is a couple of like
1004
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:51.480
I said, a couple of names that he did give
1005
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:56.239
us kind of panned out. But you know, nothing nothing great.
1006
00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:59.519
But there was enough juice in your opinion, And this
1007
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:02.119
invests gation that you you were able to allocate funds
1008
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:06.840
to fly people down to Florida. Yeah yeah, so now okay,
1009
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:08.119
then you were taking this very seriously.
1010
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:13.159
Yeah, yeah, we were taking Listen, bro, I'll be honestly,
1011
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:18.280
I still think, you know, I can't say I think
1012
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:22.440
for sure, but but you know, he was definitely worth investigating,
1013
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.360
and it's still worth looking That's why I'm doing, you
1014
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:27.679
know now, It's still worth looking into, uh, the things
1015
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.840
that this guy said as far as I saw, yeah,
1016
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:33.440
the bike, as far as the Birkwood connections. He actually
1017
00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:37.039
put burke Woods at a coke at a coke uh
1018
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:42.199
gathering at the park at to my park. He he
1019
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.400
said he was there. You know. He also gave us
1020
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:49.119
information on other shootings, you know, of the shootings so
1021
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:52.280
that they weren't classified burke Woods type. There weren't pleasure
1022
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:55.679
bikes on the same shootings that I found that I
1023
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:57.920
actually found plea supports.
1024
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.800
So this guy, the bikers, he's still alive today.
1025
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:08.840
He's around today. Yeah, I haven't spoken, but he is around.
1026
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:11.199
Yeah, he's in prison or he's out.
1027
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:13.360
No, he's out, he's out.
1028
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.079
Boy. Isn't that nice when you love to find him
1029
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:16.800
living next door?
1030
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:18.440
Yeah?
1031
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:24.880
Yeah, my god, just imagine all right, was one of
1032
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:26.400
the nicknames, mister real estate?
1033
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:29.119
Say that again?
1034
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:32.800
You said that the biker everybody was using nicknames right,
1035
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:35.280
was one of the nicknames, mister real estate.
1036
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.400
You know, I don't remember that name.
1037
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:44.000
Okay, Now, what about any other big names like Roy
1038
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:46.519
Cohen or Studio fifty four and anything like that. Come up.
1039
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:53.119
No, he didn't talk to us about Studio fifty four.
1040
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:58.039
I've heard, I've since you know, heard Cohen and some
1041
00:54:58.239 --> 00:54:59.960
other you know, Studio fifty four.
1042
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:05.320
Well, yeah, Now, since when you contacted me, I put
1043
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:06.880
you in touch with Jim Monsteen, did you get a
1044
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:10.360
chance to talk to him? I did, Yeah, okay, And
1045
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:12.280
what's what is his opinion on your information? What do
1046
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:12.800
you have to say?
1047
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:19.159
Well, you know, he actually had an informant. And actually
1048
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:21.280
that's the reason I call it, because when he was
1049
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.000
on your show, he talked about an informant that had
1050
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:30.000
put burkele which at a couple of cult meetings, and
1051
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:32.840
and he was this informant was there and that's what
1052
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:35.679
I really looking to do, get put Burke's at the
1053
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:38.559
cult meeting. And he said he had an informant. When
1054
00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:41.559
I spoke to him, he was very forthright, and he
1055
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:43.559
gave me the informost name, and it just happened to
1056
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:46.199
be one of the people that I had him. I
1057
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:50.880
had interviews. I don't know where he is now, I'm
1058
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:52.400
looking for him. He may be dead at this point,
1059
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.920
he's he's uh, he's not a young guy anymore, so
1060
00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:59.639
he may be dead. But his informant was actually one
1061
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.800
of the bad guys that I was looking for who
1062
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:04.480
I asked you interviews years ago.
1063
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:08.119
Okay, that's interesting, Yeah, okay, I have a guy you
1064
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:10.480
could talk to too, who was actually molested by these
1065
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:12.639
cult members. He would he would live right there next
1066
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:14.280
to the cars and all that stuff, you know, the
1067
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:18.400
Sam Carr and the yeah yeah yeah, wow we oh yeah,
1068
00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:21.480
and he was and he goes, he's very interested in
1069
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:22.159
talking to Summer.
1070
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:25.000
So oh great, yeah, yeah, yeah, we can.
1071
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:28.280
Work on that now. So now you're working on this.
1072
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:31.239
But then now you say that they called you off
1073
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.519
the case. What happened is there before we get to
1074
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:35.440
you get and removed from the case, being told to
1075
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.000
stop investigating. Did any other information come out that you
1076
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:39.000
think is important for us to know?
1077
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:47.719
Let me think, I mean, you know what you talk,
1078
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:52.960
I'll think about it. I mean, like you know what
1079
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:55.480
you're saying, what what what my informant gave was so
1080
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:57.000
just in general, Yeah.
1081
00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:59.519
The information, the informant gave you or other information you
1082
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:03.039
uncovered investigating this cult in their activity in the sun
1083
00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:03.639
of same case.
1084
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:09.119
Well, listen, you know one of the things is what's
1085
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:11.400
like I said, I coom police support, actual police support.
1086
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:14.480
Is all the shootings that warn't class to fight Son
1087
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:17.719
of Sam killings, right or Son of Sam shootings even
1088
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:21.320
though they were done by the cult or actually discussed
1089
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:26.800
biker gang members. Did one of them? You know, people
1090
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:29.920
are familiar with that. You know, people listening are familiar
1091
00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:32.199
with stuff like that, or like you just said, familiar
1092
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:36.280
with the cult activity or have seen Burkele witch or no.
1093
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:38.800
You know, that's the kind of stuff you know, we're
1094
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:41.760
looking to do. We're looking to kind of cement uh,
1095
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:44.840
the fact that David Burkele was didn't act alone, that
1096
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.320
he was involved with his cult and hopefully hopefully we
1097
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:50.840
were able to talk to somebody that that will, you know,
1098
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.079
give us something new to go on something first.
1099
00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:55.920
Okay, So bouncing around a little bit back to Florida.
1100
00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:58.480
What part of Florida was that the Cardios.
1101
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:01.960
I'm not sure. I think it was Day County, but
1102
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:02.559
I'm not sure.
1103
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:05.639
Okay, did the Florida Keys ever come up? In your investigation.
1104
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:13.280
Jeez, I don't be honest, I don't remember. The father
1105
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:17.119
connection ended really kind of quick because the guy lowed
1106
00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:21.199
up on us, you know, and and it was like
1107
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:22.679
a dead issue from there. And then when we went
1108
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:24.199
back and he was a couple of months later and
1109
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:27.239
he was gone. The whole the whole UH photo place
1110
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:29.320
was gone. You know, we were like dead in the
1111
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:29.960
Waterdale man.
1112
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:32.880
Now, what about Bill Menzer? Did his name ever come
1113
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:38.280
up from this biker or in your bill Bill Menzer,
1114
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:42.960
the one who was convicted of of murdering Roy raydon No, No,
1115
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:44.159
his name never came up.
1116
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:47.000
He gave us a couple of things that were kind
1117
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:51.880
of interesting, Like he gave us uh like some Satanic
1118
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:57.360
people in North Carolina. He gave us some like I said,
1119
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:02.320
he confirmed that there was Satanic cults in the Lower
1120
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:07.880
east Side. Uh and and and child pornography a lot
1121
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:10.920
of uh. They had a big connection with child pornography,
1122
00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:16.119
moving kids around within the organization. And that's really where
1123
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:17.920
we kept a lot of uh, where we kept a
1124
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.039
lot of our focus.
1125
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:23.760
Yeah, that's interesting that the Process Church was in North
1126
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:27.119
Carolina and there's a picture of them praying with Governor Wallace.
1127
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:32.119
Did you know that? No, I didn't know that. That's interesting.
1128
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:34.719
I know if you can find it on Google. They're
1129
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:38.639
in the governors They're in the governor's office with their
1130
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:41.840
hands on him, praying for him, with their satantic medals
1131
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:42.639
and stuff.
1132
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:46.800
All over him. Come on, that is ridiculous. I'll tell you.
1133
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:50.199
I'll tell you weren't even better. Well, I don't know
1134
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:53.320
about better, but that's good. Robert the Grinson who started
1135
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:57.360
the process church, right, He and his wife who was
1136
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:01.920
was first married twelve hub left over on Hubbitt and
1137
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:05.599
married robbita Grimson. Right. Okay, she opened up that animal
1138
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:10.599
reserve in Utah, like like a dog shelter and best
1139
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:12.920
you know, like animal shelter and all that stuff. You know,
1140
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:14.719
who got their dog from here? Oh?
1141
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:16.880
Nohow at?
1142
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:18.280
How about the Obamas? Oh?
1143
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:21.519
Really, best Friends for Animal Society, it's called best Friends
1144
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:25.239
for Animal Society. They specialized in German shepherds, which is
1145
01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:28.000
what they were killing down in an Undermeyer Park. And
1146
01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:30.880
I've heard that their budget, they have a forty million
1147
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:35.280
dollars a year budget over at Best Friends Rantal. And yeah,
1148
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:39.639
so this wonderful stuff, wonderful stuff. Let me take that
1149
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:43.280
I'll say, well, let me take a commercial break and
1150
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:45.559
we'll get back and I'm gonna pick your brain some more. Okay,
1151
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:46.679
is that okay?
1152
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:48.760
Okay? Great, okay, great, yeah, absolutely.
1153
01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:52.760
Okay, thank you man. We're here with Michael Cadella. Okay,
1154
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:55.280
and he this is some good new information here, guys.
1155
01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:59.440
He's written a book called Alphaville, New York nineteen eighty eight.
1156
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:02.880
Welcome to Herwin City. Also too, he wants you to
1157
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:04.960
get a hold of him if you've got any kind
1158
01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:06.559
of tips or any kind of information of question, you
1159
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:08.320
can get a hold of me too. But once again, Mike,
1160
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:09.320
what was your email address?
1161
01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:09.519
Again?
1162
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:10.320
It was Mike.
1163
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:16.039
Yeah, it's Mike C. New York City at gmail dot com.
1164
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:21.840
Mike C. New York City at gmail dot com. Now
1165
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:23.159
we're going to be right back with more of a
1166
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:32.239
Mike Cadella right after these messages. And now a word
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The Opperaman Report, and he's just come out with a
1181
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:44.840
new book, Children of the Beast, Alistair Crowley's Shadow over Humanity. Now,
1182
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:47.519
he just sent me a copy of this book. Oh boy,
1183
01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:51.119
it's about two inches thick, and there's a chapter on
1184
01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:53.719
just about everybody in this book that you.
1185
01:02:53.760 --> 01:03:05.119
Can imagine the Beatles and Jack Parson's, Uh, everybody's in here.
1186
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:10.400
It's incredible and I definitely recommend this book. There's a
1187
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:13.280
bunch of pictures in here too, of all these people
1188
01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:17.639
in a different chapters and uh information uh antson LeVay
1189
01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:20.920
and people I've never heard of too. It's whole bunch
1190
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:21.159
of here.
1191
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:21.519
J C.
1192
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.360
JFC Fuller, I don't know who he is, but but
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here with the retired NYPD detective Sergeant Mike Cadella, author
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of the book Alphaville, New York, nineteen eighty eight. Welcome
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01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:07.599
to Heroin City, and we're going over the stuff about
1249
01:07:07.599 --> 01:07:09.840
the process, church on a sam or a little bit
1250
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:13.679
of Roy Raiden, David Berkowitz, all kinds of wonderful and
1251
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:16.480
wonderful fun stuff, I'd tell you. And what about the
1252
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:20.000
name Maplethorpe, Robert Maplethorpe, did that come up with the
1253
01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:22.119
Spiker or in your investigation.
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01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:27.840
Yeah, yeah, I did. Actually we uh, his name actually
1255
01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:30.840
came up on a couple of different occasions with different
1256
01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:35.840
missing people and because, like I said, I was in
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01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:38.679
a missing person's squat and it actually came up in
1258
01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:42.280
an investigation with I don't even want to tell you
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01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:45.599
who are on the air, because like I would hate
1260
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:49.039
for somebody involved with that, yeah, with that family actually
1261
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:51.920
to get their hopes up or think that we didn't
1262
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:59.639
do what we could. But Maple was up to a
1263
01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:02.960
lot of things. That's a lot of them as appears.
1264
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:05.159
Oh yeah, and I didn't right out in the open,
1265
01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:08.719
you know a lot of stuff he was up And yeah,
1266
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:11.000
there's a whole story too about how there there were
1267
01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:14.159
snuff films of these Son of Sam murders that were
1268
01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:17.199
being circulated amongst these characters, and and a hit team
1269
01:08:17.239 --> 01:08:19.560
went around to collect the films and stuff. Now, now,
1270
01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:24.000
by the way, now some of these murders that are
1271
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:26.800
openly attributed to the Son of Sam case, that are
1272
01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:30.079
attributed to Berkowitz, I've heard that some of those were
1273
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:33.319
not U cult slangs, but were murders for hire. Those
1274
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:35.000
were hits. Have you ever heard of anything like that?
1275
01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:40.560
No, excuse me, No, I know that early on the
1276
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:44.840
dd NYPD thought that a few of them. This is
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01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:48.560
actually before they like identified uh uh, that there was
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01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:50.800
some kind of shoe will kill. But I know that
1279
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:54.159
the NFPG thought a few of them early on moths
1280
01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:57.359
I pits because uh, a couple of them were Chians
1281
01:08:57.399 --> 01:08:59.840
and they had some kind of connection you know, whether
1282
01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:02.119
they sure or not to some time old rest kind
1283
01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:05.199
and they were looking at that angle. But that obviously
1284
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:05.880
wasn't the case.
1285
01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:10.159
Did you ever hear remember growing up in New York City,
1286
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:12.720
it was in the seventies, right around the same time,
1287
01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.119
a little bit after Burk Woods there was that case
1288
01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:18.000
of the guy they were calling dark Man who was
1289
01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:21.319
like blowing a dark gun in women's butts. Now, did
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01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:23.159
you hear about any connection to the suns? You've heard
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01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:24.279
about that? Well, tell me about that then.
1292
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:27.640
No, No, I never heard of a connection. I remember
1293
01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:32.000
hearing about the case. Yeah, like you said, probably in
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01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:35.399
the early eighties or probably nineteen eighty or so, because
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01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:39.399
he had done like I said, I showed a ship individual,
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01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:42.800
but I used to go strive through sightrus no sightless
1297
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:45.880
and he he was he I think he did one
1298
01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:47.560
or two shootings in that area.
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01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:50.000
Yeah, it was just totally bizarre. Case. Was in the
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01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:51.920
front page of the papers every day where women were
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01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:55.399
walking around in tight pants and this guy would be
1302
01:09:55.520 --> 01:10:00.920
blowing a dark blowgun in to there. But somehow this
1303
01:10:01.039 --> 01:10:03.079
all gets connected and makes the front page of the paper.
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01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:05.000
When I got some information, you're going to talk to
1305
01:10:05.079 --> 01:10:08.000
the guy that that was also a processed church in operation.
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01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:12.640
Now what about the Atlanta chi Yes, that's what I'm
1307
01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:14.920
trying to tell you, that that that whole thing was
1308
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:17.680
mixed up with these guys too. Now what about the
1309
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:20.640
Atlanta child killings? Did you get any word about that?
1310
01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:22.000
No?
1311
01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:28.199
Okay, what about remember Joel Steinberg and Lisa and Lisa
1312
01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:29.760
Steinberg and had a nuts Baum?
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01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:36.920
Yeah okay, yeah that I No, I didn't get that
1314
01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:39.600
from from our informa. But in the investigation, we got
1315
01:10:40.399 --> 01:10:45.119
some information regarding that with uh uh child uh child, sex,
1316
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:47.479
with with that, with that, with that family, a bunch
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01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:47.880
of stuff.
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01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:51.239
Yeah, right now, we'll tell me. Why won't you tell
1319
01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:54.600
the audience what that whole little Lisa Steinberg case was
1320
01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:59.000
and Joel Steinberg the attorney and had a nuts bound.
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01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:01.079
You give a little the description in that form.
1322
01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:05.960
Well. To be honest, I don't remember the hope. Like
1323
01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:08.439
I said, I don't remember the whole case. They came
1324
01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:12.560
up like uh, you know, like uh kind of like
1325
01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:15.800
on the outskirts of what we were doing. A lot
1326
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:19.840
of peripheral stuff we didn't dive into because literally we
1327
01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:22.640
were at some point, we were literally all over the
1328
01:11:22.680 --> 01:11:25.960
place where our informant. We were in the Bronx every
1329
01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:31.279
day under Maya park Conker's interviewing dozens of people. So
1330
01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:36.920
whenever we get certain information, we neither hold onto its,
1331
01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:40.239
you know, put on a diagar enough, or we'd investigated
1332
01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:43.640
until it looked like it couldn't go anywhere. But but
1333
01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:46.680
they did pop up. I don't remember to the extent
1334
01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:49.800
of what actually we got out of it, but it
1335
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:52.479
wasn't obviously wasn't anything. Otherwise we would have done something
1336
01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:56.159
with it. Why have you You've gotten some good stuff
1337
01:11:56.319 --> 01:11:57.079
regarding them.
1338
01:11:57.079 --> 01:11:59.680
Pretty good head and nuts, and may Terry's obsessed with
1339
01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:02.720
that was obsessed to his death. Had a nusts Bound
1340
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:06.199
had written in her diary that she took little Lisa
1341
01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:09.680
to that cult, to the processed Church cult, to that mansion,
1342
01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:13.800
mister real Estate's mansion. There in pros. Yeah, and that
1343
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:15.840
they photographed her and this is all in her diary
1344
01:12:16.159 --> 01:12:19.159
and that woman gotta gotta walk. She had no charges.
1345
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:22.399
She was the hero, the hero witness in that case.
1346
01:12:24.039 --> 01:12:26.079
And Joel's out too, Joel Steinberg's out.
1347
01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:30.039
Yeah, yeah, he's out. No, yeah, well that's ridiculous.
1348
01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:32.920
Accurate and everybody, Yeah, Joel Steinberg, you gotta know this.
1349
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:35.439
This was a brutal case where had a nuts bound,
1350
01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:39.359
was brutalized. Her face was like hamburger meat for after
1351
01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:41.560
years and years of abuse. She was a horrific woman.
1352
01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:44.359
To look at her hair, forget it. She was you know,
1353
01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:47.000
she was this woman was abused. But little Lisa Steinberg
1354
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:50.039
was the little little girl that was abused by Joel
1355
01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:52.840
Steinberg and had a nuts bound and all this talk
1356
01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:54.560
about how hey, when you go to prison, you know
1357
01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:58.039
they're gonna take care of Joel Steinberg thrived in prison man,
1358
01:12:58.159 --> 01:12:59.840
and he came out, you know, and now he's working
1359
01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:01.800
like a paralegal for a law firm and he's doing
1360
01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:04.920
very well. They were offered them a TV show at
1361
01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:06.479
one point, show that.
1362
01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:11.279
This is you know, that's crazy.
1363
01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:14.000
We live in in a horrific world here, you know,
1364
01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:15.000
now what about.
1365
01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:16.840
The Arlist and you know, and you know what the
1366
01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:19.520
shoot did A lot of a lot of people were
1367
01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:24.239
involved and are involved, you know, with the stuff, even
1368
01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:26.840
even in Brooklyn d I'm not saying he was involved,
1369
01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:32.319
but Eugene Gold who refused to think of other shooters
1370
01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:35.399
with the Berkwood case. After he retired, he was waiting,
1371
01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:39.079
he got arrested for uh sexual abuse in terrefeg or
1372
01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:39.960
something to that effect.
1373
01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:43.840
Really I didn't know that. Yeah, well, yeah, well that
1374
01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:45.880
that seems to be the theory that they had a
1375
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:48.720
lot of dirt on the local prosecutors and the mayor
1376
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:53.159
and the Bronx assemblymen, you know, all those guys that uh,
1377
01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:57.920
what's his name, Mari Terry meant he talks about openly. Uh, Now,
1378
01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:00.479
what about did anything come up about the arlist case
1379
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:04.840
in Stanford University of Stanford in California?
1380
01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:10.680
Well, other of forman didn't have specific on that, but
1381
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:14.640
he knew about the case and he swore that it
1382
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:17.520
was a process off. And again he didn't give us
1383
01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:21.960
any names. That was a little over his head and
1384
01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:24.479
he wasn't that far you know, that was before he
1385
01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:26.640
was involved. But he said that for sure that that
1386
01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:28.199
was a process of.
1387
01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:32.199
Okay, very interesting. You know, I did a show. I'll
1388
01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:33.800
send you the link to it. I think it's in
1389
01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:36.439
the members section where we interviewed this guy, I think
1390
01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:39.880
his name is McCracken, who is a brand new witness
1391
01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:42.600
in the Arles Perry case. It just came forward and
1392
01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:46.399
he points to a guy who he saw in there
1393
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:51.479
who was a very famous composer, musician, composer, and it
1394
01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:56.720
does a lot of Emmy Award winning compositions and stuff
1395
01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:01.840
like that. Any of that come up, No, not that
1396
01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:03.960
I know. I'll sing you that show. It's in the
1397
01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:06.319
member section. It's he has some really good information too.
1398
01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:08.239
I'm gonna sing you the shows too, that we did
1399
01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:11.840
with the did a couple of shows of people who
1400
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:15.680
knew Bill Menzer, who is a convicted hitman, you know,
1401
01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:19.319
and you know he was convicted for the Roy Raiden murder.
1402
01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:22.000
He worked for Larry Flint there. He's involved in all
1403
01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:25.199
kinds of shenanigans. So I'm gonna saying I should some
1404
01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:28.119
people pro and con the guy. So it's up in
1405
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:32.319
the air with me, Arles Perry dart Man. Okay, now
1406
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:36.439
pretty much covered a lot of stuff here. Now, how
1407
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:39.199
many months. Did your investigation last.
1408
01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:43.279
I would say last is about a year, you know,
1409
01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:48.439
on and off. I mean, of course, uh, the the
1410
01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:51.680
the detectives that had the case, which catches other cases.
1411
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:56.680
And again I was supervised in thirty forty detectives. But
1412
01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:01.199
it lasted a year. Interviews, running around and you know
1413
01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:01.720
that kind.
1414
01:16:01.640 --> 01:16:04.359
Of stuff now. But you never came up with anything
1415
01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:09.119
to make another arrest, even tangential arrest someone else. You
1416
01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:11.520
caught him doing drugs or something, or doing some other
1417
01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:15.000
kind of activity. Nothing, no, no.
1418
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:21.039
We interviewed with other members of the biker gang and
1419
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:26.840
we found other clients that they committed, and we we
1420
01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:31.399
we brought them, We brought some of we found reports
1421
01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:33.399
that some of the clients that they committed. We actually
1422
01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:35.680
found shooting that they did. Like I said, we had
1423
01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:40.239
another biker gang member admit to us that he did
1424
01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:44.359
a some sem like killing, our shooting over and against
1425
01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:46.560
its Cyclus Hills in a in a love vein over
1426
01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:51.000
in Cyprus Hills, Cyrus Hills talk. He was up in
1427
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:53.720
sinking when we went in to do them, and he
1428
01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:56.600
the way we got him was to the original informant
1429
01:16:56.640 --> 01:17:00.199
from Attica. You know, we were still looking for to
1430
01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:02.039
think our teeth and like we were still looking for
1431
01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:07.479
something tangible. So he said, well, one of my bike
1432
01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:10.359
agains did did a Son of Sam style killing or
1433
01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:13.600
shooting or killing. I don't remember if they died or severely,
1434
01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:19.920
he said, and he gave us the approximate month. Anywhay,
1435
01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:21.560
what we do was we went and we interviewed that
1436
01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:25.239
bike and now that biker member was actually arrested at
1437
01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:28.760
the same time with our informant for that sexual abuse
1438
01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:33.159
of of a minor. And we went up there and
1439
01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:35.439
he and prior to that, what he had done was
1440
01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:40.399
he actually got into an altercation with another guy playing basketball.
1441
01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:41.960
This is how we got him, well how we got
1442
01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:47.279
him success up and the our informatrolos he shot another
1443
01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:50.199
guy in front of fifty people playing basketball, and everybody
1444
01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:53.279
was afraid of him. So nobody ever made nobody ever,
1445
01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:56.600
you know, dropped the diamond. But he said there was
1446
01:17:56.760 --> 01:18:00.239
fifty people playing basketball that afternoon, he said. So what
1447
01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:02.399
we did was we put together this fold up. We
1448
01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:04.399
made it look really thick as if we were doing
1449
01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:07.840
like months of investigation on it, right right, I can.
1450
01:18:07.880 --> 01:18:09.920
We put like a telephone book in it, and we
1451
01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:11.960
went up there. We had his name on it. We
1452
01:18:12.039 --> 01:18:14.239
threw it out. We were instinct sing. We got him
1453
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:16.079
into the room. We tow it on the desk and
1454
01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:20.279
we said, that's the case of you shooting uh con
1455
01:18:20.359 --> 01:18:22.840
victim in the park. I forgot what possible. I think
1456
01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:25.159
it was in bush in bush the park. And he
1457
01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:28.039
looked at us and he almost uh peed himself. He
1458
01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:31.600
couldn't believe it, he says, right, he says. And finally
1459
01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:33.560
he sets up to it. He said yeah. He said, well,
1460
01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:35.880
we're not going to prosecute you or that. What we
1461
01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:37.560
want to know is about the shooting you did that
1462
01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:40.000
was a similar to the Son of Sam killing. And
1463
01:18:40.119 --> 01:18:42.039
he said okay, and he gave us information on it,
1464
01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:46.039
and we went We found it in the police figure records.
1465
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:48.399
We were ready to lock him up for we had
1466
01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:50.920
we had two confessions. We had the shooting confession he
1467
01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:54.159
hand the handmrote that was a homicide. He handlode a
1468
01:18:54.199 --> 01:18:58.119
confession on the in the park that he shot this
1469
01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:01.039
guy playing basketball. And then he wrote the confession that
1470
01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:04.239
he shot these two people in love his rain. They
1471
01:19:04.279 --> 01:19:07.640
weren't female white with long black had they were too.
1472
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:10.560
It was a male female black and they never made
1473
01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:13.000
the papers. It never uh it was a big deal.
1474
01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:15.399
I didn't think it was a a Burke Woods style shooting.
1475
01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:18.359
And he said, uh, and he gave us two man confessions.
1476
01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:20.600
H When we were readied to try to make an
1477
01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:24.319
arrest on it, that's when that's when y P shocked
1478
01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:24.880
all rights out.
1479
01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:27.680
Okay, A couple of questions about that. Now, was the
1480
01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:30.800
motivation for that shooting to be to be part of
1481
01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:35.399
the Center Sam case or or or was there another
1482
01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:36.199
motivation for it?
1483
01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:41.000
No, it was I believe it was after Burke after
1484
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:45.359
Burk Woods was arrested. But it was a process church
1485
01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:49.000
try to uh cause up people kind of stuff. The
1486
01:19:49.279 --> 01:19:51.880
shooting and the Lover's money shooting not not the best.
1487
01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:55.199
The basketball one was just uh, you know, an argument
1488
01:19:55.279 --> 01:19:57.479
that went bad and he shot this guy. The other
1489
01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:00.720
one was you know, trying to start uh you know
1490
01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:03.800
upheaval and and uh help the skelter the kind of class.
1491
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:05.560
Get right now, Now, what did these guys tell you?
1492
01:20:05.640 --> 01:20:07.520
The motive was for the for the Processed Church to
1493
01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:09.279
be running around doing the Son of Stand stuff.
1494
01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:20.279
The motive was to start up people really, because their
1495
01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:23.079
philosophy was that they walked when the world comes to
1496
01:20:23.159 --> 01:20:27.720
an end. They were going to be in good graces
1497
01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:33.000
with both the devil and with God. Because God, God
1498
01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:36.159
talks about love and your enemy. The devil was God's enemy.
1499
01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:39.920
So God loved the devil, and they fell under the devil,
1500
01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:42.279
and they were going to try to bring the world
1501
01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:43.840
to come to an end, and then they would be
1502
01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:48.199
uh upheld in the highest of gods, meaning the people
1503
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:49.920
in the you know, the people that did these crimes
1504
01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:53.199
in the processed church, they would be exulted because they
1505
01:20:53.479 --> 01:20:56.520
they hastened to the end of the end of the
1506
01:20:56.600 --> 01:20:58.800
day's say. So that's why they were going to go
1507
01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:03.199
out and start what kinds of turmoil and gang wars
1508
01:21:03.359 --> 01:21:06.439
and hope, you know, try to bring the world into
1509
01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:09.399
uh you know, into the minds basically.
1510
01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:11.600
Yeah, which is why I believe one of the reasons
1511
01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:14.039
why I believe that they're involved in the Atlanta chapkillings
1512
01:21:14.079 --> 01:21:15.720
as well. It was the same kind of thing. And
1513
01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:17.119
if you tell me now that they were doing they
1514
01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:20.479
were killing blacks in New York area, uh you know,
1515
01:21:21.039 --> 01:21:23.840
right before ye And they weren't in Atlanta, they weren't
1516
01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:31.279
in Georgia. They were there during those crimes. Now, did
1517
01:21:31.319 --> 01:21:32.479
you ever get a chance to talk to any of
1518
01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:34.520
the members of the Process Church to get their side
1519
01:21:34.520 --> 01:21:34.640
of it.
1520
01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:39.960
Other than other than the bike is no and and
1521
01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:44.079
to be honest, they weren't other than the our informant
1522
01:21:44.239 --> 01:21:49.359
like the biker and Sin Sing, he wasn't. He wasn't
1523
01:21:49.439 --> 01:21:53.159
like a high highly involved he he you know, he
1524
01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:55.199
was with them, but I don't know if you consider
1525
01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:57.600
him like an actual Process Church about even though he
1526
01:21:57.680 --> 01:22:02.840
did those shootings. There was another member of the the
1527
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:05.760
Biker Gay. His nickname was Lucifer, and he was actually
1528
01:22:06.079 --> 01:22:09.159
some kind of mortician and he drove a hearse and
1529
01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:12.800
uh and and and again, small world. I knew somebody
1530
01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:16.359
in there who was a mortician. Who I asked back then?
1531
01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:18.520
I said, you learn of a guy named Lucifer, drives
1532
01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:22.920
a hearse, big black guy, is a bikers Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
1533
01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:25.399
he's like you know, he's a crazy guy, you know,
1534
01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:28.199
real bad guy. So people know him. He was. He
1535
01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:32.399
was like a heavy duty in the Processed churchs But
1536
01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:35.279
he died. He dines about heart attacks before I got
1537
01:22:35.319 --> 01:22:37.560
to total mm hmmm.
1538
01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:42.359
So now how did this the end and the investigation end, Like,
1539
01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:44.800
what how did that come about?
1540
01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:50.720
Well, we had we had him, tried to make arrangements
1541
01:22:50.760 --> 01:22:54.960
to see Burkeles and then we had this uh inmate
1542
01:22:55.000 --> 01:23:02.319
from sinction with these two handwritten confessions, and uh, it's
1543
01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:05.840
just you know, I guess we would. We reported it
1544
01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:09.319
to our lieutenant and told him, look, we're looking to
1545
01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:11.960
and get this guy. And died it the biker. You know,
1546
01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:13.720
he didn't made that instinct saying we're looking to get
1547
01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:16.840
him and died on on on this summer side and uh,
1548
01:23:17.239 --> 01:23:19.199
you know, get him to cooperate with this other stuff.
1549
01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:21.680
And I guess he went up to the inspector or
1550
01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:24.960
the deputy chief and and within a couple of days
1551
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:29.840
it came down, you know, leave this guy alone. We
1552
01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:32.560
leave this case alone. And then at the same time,
1553
01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:34.720
we were in the process of trying to go see Burkeleoitz,
1554
01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:38.600
and then it came down, don't see Burkoitz. And we
1555
01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:41.479
tried anyway. I tried anyway, I put the paperwork in anyway,
1556
01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:44.840
and then I got called up on the carpet and
1557
01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:46.720
you know, said this is this is you know, this
1558
01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:48.520
is the end. This is the end of the case.
1559
01:23:49.279 --> 01:23:51.000
And that was it. That was the end of the case.
1560
01:23:51.079 --> 01:23:53.439
And then I eventually got transferred, but a good transfer.
1561
01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:55.960
Like you know, I was happy with my transfer, but
1562
01:23:57.399 --> 01:24:00.600
I got transfers and basically that that's where the UH.
1563
01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:03.319
Where do they transfer to?
1564
01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:08.000
From there? I went to UH. I was already a
1565
01:24:08.079 --> 01:24:11.079
special Investigations. I went to special first Squad and then
1566
01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:13.199
I went to the West African Cast Force with the
1567
01:24:13.279 --> 01:24:13.960
Secret Service.
1568
01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:17.279
Okay, Now, which DA was that they told you to
1569
01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:18.239
drop the case?
1570
01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:22.560
No, it never came from the DA. It came from
1571
01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:24.319
the higher up to the police department.
1572
01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:26.760
Okay, and what reason did they give you?
1573
01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:31.760
You know, to be honest, I don't remember. I don't
1574
01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:33.439
think they ever gave a reason. I'm sure I don't
1575
01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:35.600
remember what they said. I know I would have asked why,
1576
01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:41.039
but I can't remember what their exact terminology was of
1577
01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:45.079
why they were stopping us. I'm sure I asked. But
1578
01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:49.319
you know, the department like any like any job or corporation,
1579
01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:57.359
they have a way of getting what they want done,
1580
01:24:57.680 --> 01:25:00.600
whether it's getting their work done or not getting it done.
1581
01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:04.439
So they basically, like I said, they basically told me
1582
01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:07.439
this is it no more. And again when when I
1583
01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:09.479
asked why, I don't know if I got an answer
1584
01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:10.920
or not, but I don't remember what it was.
1585
01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:13.319
Well, what kind of impression did you walk away with it?
1586
01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:15.199
It was a political clout for that, it was.
1587
01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:19.039
Yeah, my impression was there's some kind of political thing.
1588
01:25:19.079 --> 01:25:22.680
You know, I think I actually, you know, I actually
1589
01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:25.439
think that. Then again, this is just my opinion. I
1590
01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:29.479
think that so many people were promoted or for this
1591
01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:33.479
or for the Berkelets case, promoted and made to look
1592
01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:37.159
good and and it was a nice neat one body,
1593
01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:45.079
one arrest, no outstanding perpse. And once they did, they
1594
01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:47.720
didn't want their apple cot turned over. Basically, they didn't
1595
01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:52.920
want fifteen years later or however many years later somebody
1596
01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:56.079
was more than that. Somebody will say, look, you got
1597
01:25:57.079 --> 01:26:00.640
five possible purpose still running around, and then maybe all
1598
01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:02.720
kinds of heads of the world, and so they would
1599
01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:05.399
rather just have to keep it quiet. But sleeping goals
1600
01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:06.479
lie and and that's that.
1601
01:26:07.479 --> 01:26:09.079
And who is the commissioner at the time that they
1602
01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:10.359
told you to drop the case?
1603
01:26:11.319 --> 01:26:12.520
No, that was Safer.
1604
01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:16.600
Safer? H okay, right, Howard's safer?
1605
01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:18.319
Right? Howard safe?
1606
01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:20.199
Yeah, Howard safer? Okay? And where did he come out
1607
01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:22.760
of He came out of the corrections, right, Okay?
1608
01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:25.479
No, No, I think he came out of the US Marshals,
1609
01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:28.720
we'll customs. He was a federal something, the federal the
1610
01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:30.720
federal uh government.
1611
01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:35.439
A million years ago. Man's you know, I know right?
1612
01:26:36.680 --> 01:26:39.399
Oh boy? So now okay, now you're retired. Now, what
1613
01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:41.720
makes you suddenly want to bring this up again? You
1614
01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:44.119
know that you're contacting me, You're contacting Jim. You know
1615
01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:44.880
what's going on.
1616
01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:49.680
You know, it's just something that's been U I got
1617
01:26:49.720 --> 01:26:55.479
some time, I'm got some time to kill. I wrote
1618
01:26:55.520 --> 01:26:58.720
my book. You know, I've actually told the story to
1619
01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:01.199
somebody who said, you know, you should write a book
1620
01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:03.800
on this, And I'm not really to be honest, I'm
1621
01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:05.479
not really that interested in writing a book on it.
1622
01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.840
But I am interested in seeing seeing how far I
1623
01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:10.720
come on with this and seeing what happens with it.
1624
01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:10.920
You know.
1625
01:27:11.239 --> 01:27:13.800
Yeah, well, yeah, definitely. I think this is really the
1626
01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:15.960
crime of the century in so many different ways. And
1627
01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:20.079
like you said, you know, you know the best Friends
1628
01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:25.119
for Animal League, there's no doubt who's running. It's the
1629
01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:29.199
same core group up there in Utah running this multimillion
1630
01:27:29.279 --> 01:27:33.840
dollar with dog rescue quote unquote, which is it's a
1631
01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:37.079
kill rescue too. They get all these people exemity dougs
1632
01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:41.119
up there, you know. But yeah, and they got such
1633
01:27:41.159 --> 01:27:43.119
great pr man. All the celebrities love them. You know,
1634
01:27:43.279 --> 01:27:45.279
their name pops up everywhere. You see it all over
1635
01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:45.640
the place.
1636
01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:48.960
Amazing, it really is.
1637
01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:52.680
Now, how high up do you think this kind of
1638
01:27:52.680 --> 01:27:57.680
stuff goes? How high up do you do you think
1639
01:27:57.760 --> 01:27:59.720
this kind of stuff goes? Because you talk about how
1640
01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:03.119
the old Bomba's got their dog from his best friends,
1641
01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:06.000
and you see the stuff you're following the stuff in
1642
01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:08.840
the news about Pizzagate and all this stuff going on.
1643
01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:16.079
Yeah, I mean it's you know, it's it's really it
1644
01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:18.319
ticks wild, man, Like I don't know what to believe
1645
01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:20.239
what not to believe. I don't know how much of
1646
01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:22.920
it is conspiracy. I don't know. Sometimes I think I'm
1647
01:28:23.319 --> 01:28:26.039
I'm looking for things that are there, but you know,
1648
01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:30.479
at the same time, like how many people involved? But
1649
01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:34.800
it's like it seems like it has tentacles all over
1650
01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:36.319
the country, all over the world, you know.
1651
01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:40.239
Right right right all over the world is right too,
1652
01:28:40.279 --> 01:28:42.560
because because I'm sure this bike or the original one
1653
01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:45.600
percent here from this rat pack gang. When he was mentioning,
1654
01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:48.399
did he mention a lot of celebrities and public figures
1655
01:28:48.399 --> 01:28:48.760
as well.
1656
01:28:50.039 --> 01:28:54.039
Yeah, and it was always like, you know, like they
1657
01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:56.279
got into and which made sense, you know, It's like
1658
01:28:56.359 --> 01:28:58.039
they got into it for the sex and the drugs,
1659
01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:01.560
you know, and then and then they look look at
1660
01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:09.279
uh like all the celebrities back with uh al right,
1661
01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:15.439
you know Sammy Davis and uh the females of sex,
1662
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:17.800
Symol I can't take her name, that was having involved
1663
01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:23.600
and all these celebrities. Jane Masfield, Jane Mansfield, Jane Mansfield, right, yeah, yeah,
1664
01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:24.399
and he had.
1665
01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:27.279
This guy, Colonel Michael Akino, the head of the Satanic
1666
01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:30.680
Temple of Set. Who's this colonel and a general and
1667
01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:32.399
they retired a gentleman part of the n s A
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01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:34.279
and in the military, all all this stuff, you know,
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01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:39.319
usually usually decorated military. You know, my god, you know
1670
01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:40.640
what is going on here?
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01:29:41.079 --> 01:29:41.199
Uh?
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01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:47.720
Yeah, man, well yeah, I have a document that I
1673
01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:52.159
was going to by Morientary that describes John Phillips of
1674
01:29:52.199 --> 01:29:54.760
the Mamas and the Paupers as being a high priest
1675
01:29:54.840 --> 01:29:59.359
in this processed church cult. And uh that Charles Manson
1676
01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:03.760
was involved. And even that's Sir Hans Sir hand the
1677
01:30:04.159 --> 01:30:08.239
assassin of JFK. You've heard this student you heard that
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01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:09.399
too as well. What what have you heard?
1679
01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:12.600
I mean, that's what I've heard that he was about
1680
01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:15.439
with either him or or one of these other offspring
1681
01:30:16.199 --> 01:30:20.319
offshoot groups from that the process. Yeah, I agree that actually.
1682
01:30:20.239 --> 01:30:23.119
Sir hanster Hand was involved in process church sex and
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01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:26.920
drug parties at Sharon Tates home, you know, and at
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01:30:26.960 --> 01:30:29.720
the and also too that the Tates and Planski were
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01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:34.760
part of u j rfk's campaign family. You know, it's
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01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:40.199
a you know, amazing it really is. Now what about today?
1687
01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:42.000
You ever turned on the TV and you see someone
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01:30:42.039 --> 01:30:43.399
on there and you say, oh my god, this name
1689
01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:45.439
came up years ago when I heard him.
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01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:50.800
No, like I said, the names that you know, the
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01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:55.239
names I have were just uh nobody special for the
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01:30:55.319 --> 01:30:58.159
most part, the civilians that you know, some people had
1693
01:30:58.199 --> 01:31:01.079
some money. But and again and like like I said,
1694
01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:03.760
most of them agney' the d o A or how
1695
01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:05.800
to find missing that kind of stuff, you know, just
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01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:07.880
off the off the off the radar.
1697
01:31:08.520 --> 01:31:10.479
Now when you're trying to find these people, now, do
1698
01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:12.319
you have like a PI license that you have access
1699
01:31:12.439 --> 01:31:14.399
like databases and stuff like that to find these people?
1700
01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:19.720
No? I don't. I actually uh have a friend that
1701
01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:23.520
that Uh, yeah, he kind of does his stuff. But
1702
01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:28.039
but you know, a lot of this information is readily accessible,
1703
01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:30.880
you know, on the computer, and and and a lot
1704
01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:33.920
of so many names, like I said, like, uh, like
1705
01:31:34.680 --> 01:31:37.920
Ruskin C. I was in my head, you know, so
1706
01:31:38.159 --> 01:31:39.640
so so many the names. I still have some of
1707
01:31:39.760 --> 01:31:44.439
my find fairly easy. But I'm still, like I said,
1708
01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:46.920
like and you said you may have a connection, I'm
1709
01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:50.880
still looking for uh, you know, like somebody with some hot,
1710
01:31:51.039 --> 01:31:53.319
hot evidence, because honestly, I think this case could be
1711
01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:55.000
I don't want to say to be solved, but I
1712
01:31:55.079 --> 01:31:57.520
think this case can be reopened and maybe some other
1713
01:31:57.840 --> 01:32:00.439
either either new light shed on it to show for
1714
01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:04.720
the fact that burke Woods didn't work alone, or would
1715
01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:08.079
be even better. It's just another rest, you know, other
1716
01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:11.720
rests be made regarding Burkewitz. And uh so I'm Sam
1717
01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:14.560
and and give give us the families of the victims,
1718
01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:17.079
maybe some justice.
1719
01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:18.960
Now, did you go back and talk to any of
1720
01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:22.079
the original victims families of the original six cases.
1721
01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:25.359
I haven't done that yet. I intend to do it,
1722
01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:28.640
but but I want to get uh, like I I
1723
01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:33.039
know already basically who who believes that burke Witz didn't
1724
01:32:33.079 --> 01:32:36.119
act alone? You know, and and I don't really want
1725
01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:39.079
to speak to them until I have some hot evidence.
1726
01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:39.239
You know.
1727
01:32:39.680 --> 01:32:41.680
But during your investigation, when you're meeting with the spike
1728
01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:43.039
and stuff like that, you didn't go back and talk
1729
01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:43.760
to any other people.
1730
01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:50.039
Actually, I think the detective did. Yeah, and but again
1731
01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:53.800
he he didn't have a whole lot on Burkewood's shootings.
1732
01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:58.640
He had some information on burke Witz, but we were
1733
01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:02.960
looking for other Like we had a guy that was
1734
01:33:03.039 --> 01:33:07.920
supposedly a driver I wanted to get away calls, and
1735
01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:11.239
we went to interview him and then he suddenly turned
1736
01:33:11.319 --> 01:33:15.439
up DA right right after we tried to interview him
1737
01:33:15.439 --> 01:33:20.920
once or twice. So he had information, but it didn't
1738
01:33:21.720 --> 01:33:25.319
it didn't. There was a focus on like broke Which's
1739
01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:26.039
past shootings.
1740
01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:29.800
Gotcha. But but even while you were working on this,
1741
01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:33.319
people were still getting dying on the mysterious circumstances even
1742
01:33:33.399 --> 01:33:37.199
years later. Yeah, yeah, Okay, let me take it on
1743
01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:38.760
a little commercial break and we'll get back we start
1744
01:33:38.760 --> 01:33:43.039
wrapping up. Okay, okay, Well with Mike Cadella, Okay, this
1745
01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:44.920
is really good information. I really appreciate the interview.
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Opperaman Report. I'm your host, private investigator at Opperman. We're
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here tonight with the Mike Cadella, NYPD, retired author of
1826
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the book Alphaville, New York, nineteen eighty eight. Welcome to
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Heroin City. Now, Mike set up a special email for
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you if you want to get sent over tips and information.
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It's Mike C. New York City at gmail dot com. Now, Mike,
1830
01:39:30.640 --> 01:39:32.840
I'm jumping around here a little bit. I turned into Columbo.
1831
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:40.159
So let's just go back here to a bit. You
1832
01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:43.600
said you had a witness who could place Berkwitz at
1833
01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:48.199
Undermeyer Park as part of these rituals. Tell us a
1834
01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:48.760
little bit about that.
1835
01:39:50.560 --> 01:39:55.640
Yeah, well that was the original in foremant. He said
1836
01:39:55.680 --> 01:39:59.199
he was there at several times. He didn't he didn't
1837
01:39:59.239 --> 01:40:03.159
know Burkwooz because burkele which hadn't been arrested from the
1838
01:40:03.159 --> 01:40:07.960
shooting at this point, so he wasn't like a standout
1839
01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:11.079
figure by any means. He was just a regular member
1840
01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:14.920
of someone that you know, uh, didn't really go attention
1841
01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:19.079
to himself. But he's saw berkele Witch at these my
1842
01:40:19.359 --> 01:40:22.479
park uh ceremonies on more than one occasion.
1843
01:40:23.720 --> 01:40:25.560
Yeah, and if people go there that this whole park
1844
01:40:25.640 --> 01:40:29.319
is a bizarre place to begin with with the stairs,
1845
01:40:29.399 --> 01:40:33.399
the saturn and there's a you know, really weird stuff. Well,
1846
01:40:33.439 --> 01:40:36.000
the stones that built this park were brought over from England.
1847
01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:36.680
Uh.
1848
01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:39.039
And this guy onto myri Yeah, if you look him up,
1849
01:40:39.159 --> 01:40:41.119
this guy was involved with creating the Federal Reserve. This
1850
01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:44.720
guy's goes way back to all kinds of shenanigans in
1851
01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:48.720
history to begin with man, which is incredible stuff.
1852
01:40:50.159 --> 01:40:52.640
Yeah, crazy, it really is, man, it really is.
1853
01:40:52.760 --> 01:40:55.199
Now have you tried writing to Burkoits in prison?
1854
01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:59.840
No? I actually intend to though, Actually, yeah, I take
1855
01:40:59.880 --> 01:41:00.319
about it.
1856
01:41:01.039 --> 01:41:02.960
Yeah. We I have a friend too that they visits
1857
01:41:03.039 --> 01:41:05.880
him frequently. She's friends with him. I'm having trouble getting
1858
01:41:05.880 --> 01:41:07.680
her on the show, but she's personally she doesn't talk
1859
01:41:07.680 --> 01:41:10.199
about this stuff with him, but she's become friends with
1860
01:41:10.279 --> 01:41:12.079
him and visits him quite often.
1861
01:41:12.680 --> 01:41:15.840
So what is she? H? Religious? You know, like this
1862
01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:16.800
religious person?
1863
01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:19.800
I think she is. Yeah, she doesn't talk about her
1864
01:41:19.800 --> 01:41:22.359
a lot, but I believe she is and that's probably.
1865
01:41:22.439 --> 01:41:23.960
Now do you know about his faith? Is he still
1866
01:41:24.039 --> 01:41:27.199
practicing his faith there in prison as a Christ?
1867
01:41:28.359 --> 01:41:29.960
It appears that he is. I don't you know, I
1868
01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:32.800
don't really know first hand knowledge, but it appears that
1869
01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:33.079
he is.
1870
01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:36.840
Yeah, okay, I guess we're down to the end of
1871
01:41:37.039 --> 01:41:38.800
the show here. To wrap this up, what do you
1872
01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:39.520
want to leave us with?
1873
01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:46.439
I mean, like I said, you know, I'd actually like
1874
01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:51.800
to get some some information on the church on if
1875
01:41:51.840 --> 01:41:54.560
anybody has anything that they would like to talk about
1876
01:41:55.760 --> 01:41:59.239
I like you keep making mention my email they could
1877
01:41:59.239 --> 01:42:02.159
get to me because I'm sure that people out there
1878
01:42:02.199 --> 01:42:06.119
that have information or maybe uh we're involved. I want
1879
01:42:06.159 --> 01:42:07.760
to get some stuff off their chest, you know what.
1880
01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:10.600
And if we could, I could talk to them and
1881
01:42:10.640 --> 01:42:12.840
we can figure this thing out. Maybe uh we could
1882
01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:17.000
bring some justice to uh the victims uh Burkealists and
1883
01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:19.159
this process church. And if we can bring some people
1884
01:42:19.239 --> 01:42:22.680
with justice, uh, you know, I'll try to get them arrested.
1885
01:42:22.720 --> 01:42:24.000
You know. That's that's the bottom line.
1886
01:42:24.520 --> 01:42:27.279
Okay, great, Yeah, because that there are there aren't victims
1887
01:42:27.399 --> 01:42:29.520
that there's there's victims of these people that are still
1888
01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:32.000
out there walking around you know that that I've talked
1889
01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:34.840
to that are you know, there's one guy who's part
1890
01:42:34.840 --> 01:42:36.560
of the group. You know, he was shot, you know,
1891
01:42:36.680 --> 01:42:38.960
his wife, his girlfriend was shot in the card and
1892
01:42:39.039 --> 01:42:40.880
and there's other people like I said, that were molested
1893
01:42:40.920 --> 01:42:43.600
by this this bunch that are walking around today that
1894
01:42:44.079 --> 01:42:48.119
that are very very traumatized. So Mike Cadella, thank you
1895
01:42:48.279 --> 01:42:51.640
so much. I'm gonna give you a call. Uh we'll
1896
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talk off the air, but I gotta fell up some
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time right now. Maybe tomorrow I can give you a
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call in the afternoon.
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Absolutely, yep, for sure.
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And we'll trade that information. My Cadella, thank you so much, brother.
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Okay, now, thank you, thanks, thanks for loving good night,
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good nights.
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Okay. I've been in touch with Mike for quite a while,
1904
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and like I said, it was kind of funny because, uh,
1905
01:43:18.079 --> 01:43:19.439
he contacted me he want to get a hold of
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01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:21.119
Jim Roxy. So I put him in touch with Jim Ronci.
1907
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By the way, that that doesn't want to come back
1908
01:43:23.279 --> 01:43:24.600
to my show. I don't know, he doesn't like me
1909
01:43:24.720 --> 01:43:27.239
whatever Moreturry didn't like me toward the end, they're either
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that's a problem, I have a recurring issue. I don't know, man,
1911
01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:36.359
I trying to get along with everybody. But anyway, my
1912
01:43:36.520 --> 01:43:40.439
Cadella contacts me months ago and he says, you know,
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I want to get in touch with Jim Ronson and
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so I said, okay, you know, let's do an interview.
1915
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Let me call you up. So we played phone tag
1916
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for a couple of days. Then uh, you know, he
1917
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stops calling me, and I says, okay, you know, I
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guess he's pissed off too. Yeah, And then I got
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this da down in Florida call me all pissed off.
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And it turns out what happened was I had switched
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01:43:57.479 --> 01:44:01.520
my phone service to get a better deal. You know,
1922
01:44:02.399 --> 01:44:04.199
it's a long story, but it was to save by
1923
01:44:04.239 --> 01:44:05.760
ten bucks a month. I went through it. I'd spent
1924
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ten hours trying to change my phone surface. I wanted
1925
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to renegotiate with Cox. They gave me a better deal,
1926
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and in the midst of this, they put a voicemail
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service on my phone. I didn't have one before this.
1928
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I used to use an old answering machine that I
1929
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still use, and you know, I had the eight hunred
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number and stuff like that don't ring into different places,
1931
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and what do you call? So people that even me messages.
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I had forty messages on this answer machine from people
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01:44:31.279 --> 01:44:32.439
and I wanted to get back to this bunch of
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01:44:32.520 --> 01:44:34.920
junk ones to do. But you know, and I had
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01:44:34.960 --> 01:44:38.159
no idea. I found it right before Christmas. I found
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I got back to to Mike Cadella, author this book, Alphaville,
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New York, nineteen eighty eight. Welcome to Heroin City. Very
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01:44:48.479 --> 01:44:50.439
interesting that it's such a small world that I know
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01:44:50.520 --> 01:44:54.399
a lot of guys in that heart aviation. But you
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01:44:54.479 --> 01:44:56.000
know that we had that mutual friend there that was
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01:44:56.039 --> 01:44:59.159
his buddy down there at the So we said PSA
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four because it was Housing Authority four. You know, I
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01:45:03.720 --> 01:45:10.840
knew I had heard that before. Okay. Now, if you
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01:45:10.920 --> 01:45:15.720
go to the Opperamanreport dot com members section, we have
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01:45:15.800 --> 01:45:21.000
a lot of supplemental interviews that are very important to
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01:45:21.079 --> 01:45:23.039
go along with this one. One is an interview we
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did with Brian McCracken, who is a brand new witness
1948
01:45:27.239 --> 01:45:29.439
and the Arlist Perry Murder, and he gives a lot
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01:45:29.479 --> 01:45:33.720
of hints and clues to who he thinks murdered Arles
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Perry in that church on the Stanford campus campus over there. Okay,
1951
01:45:40.760 --> 01:45:43.279
and a lot of the regular listeners and stuff like that,
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01:45:43.399 --> 01:45:45.119
and then people in the chat room have figured out
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who that guy is. I mean, it's very very famous,
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powerful composer, musician, composer kind of guy. So check that out,
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01:45:54.239 --> 01:45:57.840
the Brian McCracken interview, New Witness and arlics pay case.
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You could find that in the members Actually you can
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01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:01.800
come or you can go to Opera and Reports Special
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01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:04.119
Archives and just buying one at a time. And I
1959
01:46:04.159 --> 01:46:05.800
think it's like a down one ninety nine per show.
1960
01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:12.039
There's another show we did about we didn't have to.
1961
01:46:12.039 --> 01:46:15.600
We did a couple I'm scrolling down here finding much
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01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:17.720
stolen as I talked to you, well, Steph Young too,
1963
01:46:17.800 --> 01:46:20.000
we took about the Processed Church. She wrote a book
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01:46:20.000 --> 01:46:22.199
called Dead in the Water Forever Awake, Smiley Face Murders,
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01:46:22.359 --> 01:46:24.960
And as you know, many people are convinced that Smiley
1966
01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:27.159
Face murders and I should have asked him about that too,
1967
01:46:27.199 --> 01:46:28.399
But you know, what do you do? I do the
1968
01:46:28.479 --> 01:46:32.079
best I can. We did a show with Kathleen Derringer,
1969
01:46:32.239 --> 01:46:37.399
who's the ex girlfriend a convicted murderer Bill Menzer. Okay,
1970
01:46:38.319 --> 01:46:42.840
and she's part of this other group that has this
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01:46:42.920 --> 01:46:45.000
partying line that they don't think that Menser was involved
1972
01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:47.199
in the process church called But I've seen a picture
1973
01:46:47.279 --> 01:46:50.960
of Menser at Roy Raiden's house in front of that
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01:46:51.039 --> 01:46:53.840
pentagram on the wall holding a machine gun. I can't
1975
01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:55.720
find it online now, but I know I've seen it
1976
01:46:55.800 --> 01:46:58.279
with violent two eyes. I know it's there, So listen
1977
01:46:58.319 --> 01:47:02.239
to that show there too. It's cool Kathleen Deringer, ex
1978
01:47:02.319 --> 01:47:06.199
girlfriend a convicted murderer Bill Menzer, speaks and that also
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01:47:06.279 --> 01:47:07.800
two is in the archive. You could buy it for
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01:47:07.880 --> 01:47:09.439
two bucks so you can become a member for six
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01:47:09.479 --> 01:47:10.760
bucks and you get all this stuff over for one
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01:47:10.800 --> 01:47:14.000
month to get physical books. Okay, what else we got here?
1983
01:47:14.239 --> 01:47:17.239
I know there's a couple more. We did a show
1984
01:47:17.279 --> 01:47:22.279
with Tony Shapiro, who was a friend of Bill Menzer.
1985
01:47:23.920 --> 01:47:26.760
Of course the Jim Rothstein shows. We did two shows
1986
01:47:26.800 --> 01:47:29.319
with Jim Rosstein. You might want to check out the
1987
01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:34.640
show with Tom Dunn, Investigator of the Occult, the shows
1988
01:47:34.720 --> 01:47:37.760
we did with Russ Dizdar. Okay, because a lot of
1989
01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:40.079
this stuff, these are reoccurring themes that keep coming out
1990
01:47:40.359 --> 01:47:43.880
and all this stuff, I asked some questions to George Christy,
1991
01:47:45.880 --> 01:47:47.920
who was the former president of Hell's Angels I think
1992
01:47:47.960 --> 01:47:52.520
was Ventura County, and he had a very interesting reaction
1993
01:47:53.199 --> 01:47:59.239
to my questions when this topic came up. Okay, I'm
1994
01:47:59.359 --> 01:48:01.399
just google going down here, see what else we could
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01:48:01.439 --> 01:48:04.520
find on Process Church. You know by the way West
1996
01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:07.000
Memphis three. This guy he hangs out with a lot
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01:48:07.039 --> 01:48:10.039
of foreign Process Church people. Right now. We did a
1998
01:48:10.079 --> 01:48:11.920
show with a couple of shows with Dale doctor Dale
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01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:15.399
Griffiths who testified at the West Memphis three trial. And
2000
01:48:15.760 --> 01:48:19.560
also Tim take Conspiracy of Silence. It's right up this
2001
01:48:19.680 --> 01:48:22.239
alley too. You know that show too, right up, all
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01:48:22.279 --> 01:48:32.199
this kind of stuff too, Hey, my god, all involving
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01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:37.520
these topics here. Okay, that was Dennis South. Okay, that's
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01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:40.720
pretty much it. I'm scrolling down here. So there's a
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01:48:40.760 --> 01:48:44.279
lot of additional information here that you want to look
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01:48:44.359 --> 01:48:48.520
up and find involving the processed church and the final judgment. Now,
2007
01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:50.720
since I've done these shows, I've talked to some many
2008
01:48:50.760 --> 01:48:52.239
people off the air. As a matter of fact that
2009
01:48:52.319 --> 01:48:53.720
I got this someone right now if you listen to
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01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:55.039
I'm gonna get a hold of you down there in
2011
01:48:55.079 --> 01:49:01.760
Florida and talk to you. But new information comes up
2012
01:49:02.319 --> 01:49:06.359
in these cases all the time, and there are people
2013
01:49:06.359 --> 01:49:09.640
out there that are still involved, still aware of what
2014
01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:11.960
went on and what's happening and stuff like that. And
2015
01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:17.079
so we're gonna continue to look into this and bring
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you more information, especially more if I can come up
2017
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here with mister Mike Cadella. His book is Alphaville, New York,
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nineteen eighty eight. Welcome to Heroin City. I'll be right
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2035
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the daughter of Bill Kunstler. Sarah Kunsler is going to
2036
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be coming on the show with her sister. These two
2037
01:50:46.159 --> 01:50:50.680
are the daughters of William Counsuler, who was the famous
2038
01:50:50.920 --> 01:50:53.760
New York City civil rights attorney. He was one of
2039
01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:56.920
the attorneys for the Chicago Seven. He was the attorney
2040
01:50:57.039 --> 01:51:00.720
for He went to Attica and helped negotiate when there
2041
01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:03.439
was the attic of riots and help the negotiate a
2042
01:51:03.479 --> 01:51:06.199
cease fire to that, and they're involved with a project
2043
01:51:06.279 --> 01:51:08.800
about Kent State. You might remember the murders at Kent State.
2044
01:51:09.239 --> 01:51:11.079
That's still an open case too, by the way, guys,
2045
01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:14.039
you know there's still a lot of stuff. There's victims
2046
01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:17.199
in that case who want justice. So they've done a
2047
01:51:17.239 --> 01:51:20.479
film about the Bill Counsler and also too that there's
2048
01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:24.760
a they're very active in the the Kent State situation.
2049
01:51:26.039 --> 01:51:28.000
So that's the daughter of William Consil. They're coming on
2050
01:51:28.039 --> 01:51:30.479
the show shortly too, also too. You don't love this,
2051
01:51:30.640 --> 01:51:33.199
you know, we we're working on getting on here. Pazona.
2052
01:51:33.239 --> 01:51:35.199
You never hear of on these other shows, and I
2053
01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:36.560
get you a lot of people. You don't get camp
2054
01:51:36.600 --> 01:51:38.720
fun on these other shows. You gotta admit that. And
2055
01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:41.359
I'm not all bad. It options not all terrible. So
2056
01:51:41.600 --> 01:51:42.640
he does some good things for you.
2057
01:51:43.800 --> 01:51:43.960
Is that?
2058
01:51:46.279 --> 01:51:55.000
What do you call Antonio Fernandez, who is King Tone
2059
01:51:55.399 --> 01:51:57.760
from the Imperial Latin Kings on the Big Street King
2060
01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:01.079
in New York's he's gonna be he promised to come
2061
01:52:01.119 --> 01:52:02.560
on the show. I'm'm trouble get ahold of him, but
2062
01:52:02.640 --> 01:52:03.960
I get his phone over bring at his email so
2063
01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:06.880
I'm sure we'll book him. We'll have him coming on soon.
2064
01:52:09.800 --> 01:52:11.479
That's gonna be a In fact, i'd like to get
2065
01:52:11.560 --> 01:52:14.239
him as a host on Away gradyot Us. This guy's
2066
01:52:14.239 --> 01:52:17.800
a talker. He could talk and they did a documentary
2067
01:52:17.840 --> 01:52:21.159
about him. John Albert, if you're familiar with John Albert's work,
2068
01:52:21.199 --> 01:52:24.479
did a documentary about King Tone and the Imperial Latin Kings.
2069
01:52:24.479 --> 01:52:27.680
It's very good. I recommend it. This is a guy too.
2070
01:52:27.720 --> 01:52:30.239
You know, he was an activist, he was a gang leader,
2071
01:52:30.720 --> 01:52:33.439
went to prison. Now he's out, he's doing good stuff
2072
01:52:33.439 --> 01:52:35.760
and he's helping the community. So God bless him. Kingtone,
2073
01:52:35.800 --> 01:52:38.760
Imperial Latin Kings coming on the show soon. Hopefully we'll
2074
01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:40.960
get him to a book a show too. We got
2075
01:52:41.039 --> 01:52:44.079
this kid, you remember him coming up. He's gonna be
2076
01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:48.960
doing our show this Saturday, five pm Pacific Standard time.
2077
01:52:50.039 --> 01:52:54.239
The kid who has the website about Wayne Robinson in
2078
01:52:54.359 --> 01:52:56.560
defense of Wayne, in support of Wayne Robson. I think
2079
01:52:56.560 --> 01:52:58.039
it's called him said I can find it real quick.
2080
01:52:58.399 --> 01:53:03.279
And the kid's name is Mike Bizzally. I'm pronouncing it
2081
01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:03.880
wrongly anyway.
2082
01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:04.079
Yeah.
2083
01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:10.119
The Facebook page is supporters of Wade Robson and other
2084
01:53:10.439 --> 01:53:15.239
victims of Michael Jackson. So Mike's coming on the show
2085
01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:19.479
on Saturday, five pm Pacific Standard time with all kinds
2086
01:53:19.479 --> 01:53:23.720
of new information about the Wade robes in case. But
2087
01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:25.920
we're also going to be talking about what do you
2088
01:53:26.039 --> 01:53:30.880
call it, Pizzagate, you know, and I think we're gonna
2089
01:53:30.880 --> 01:53:33.000
be talking about too. There's something else going on that
2090
01:53:33.159 --> 01:53:34.560
it's been in the back of my mind. I haven't
2091
01:53:34.560 --> 01:53:36.720
been talking about on the air that I think we're
2092
01:53:36.720 --> 01:53:40.000
going to get into. I think Mike Piant Bizzally might
2093
01:53:40.079 --> 01:53:45.359
be the guy to bring this up with a whole
2094
01:53:45.720 --> 01:53:48.039
nother scandal that's going on. People are aware of Pizzagate,
2095
01:53:48.079 --> 01:53:51.279
they're aware of twitter Gate, but there's another one that
2096
01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:53.439
people aren't too aware of it that I don't want
2097
01:53:53.439 --> 01:53:58.640
to give any attention to, because I'm noticing a whole
2098
01:53:58.680 --> 01:54:04.680
pattern here, okay with all this stuff, and I think
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01:54:04.720 --> 01:54:09.119
it's a it's a lot more pervasive than we realize.
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01:54:09.920 --> 01:54:12.199
I think it goes back a lot of years. I
2101
01:54:12.279 --> 01:54:14.560
think there's a lot of people involved. I think it's
2102
01:54:14.680 --> 01:54:29.720
institutional in many respects, that there's an active there's an
2103
01:54:29.800 --> 01:54:35.079
active and I guess campaign, or that there's an active,
2104
01:54:36.199 --> 01:54:46.199
institutionalized system mind brainwashing to sexualize our kids, not just
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01:54:46.399 --> 01:54:48.560
in the minds of the adults, but also in the
2106
01:54:48.600 --> 01:54:52.439
minds of the children as well. Uh that I'm there's
2107
01:54:52.479 --> 01:54:54.520
a whole thing that I'm saying here that if you
2108
01:54:54.600 --> 01:54:57.159
might notice, I've been real pissed off lately about a
2109
01:54:57.239 --> 01:54:59.239
lot of stuff, and this is one of the reasons why.
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01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:02.119
And we may get into this with the mister Pizzally,
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we may not, I don't know. So that's pretty much
2112
01:55:05.680 --> 01:55:10.039
what's coming up. So I think I got some good
2113
01:55:10.079 --> 01:55:12.359
stuff coming up for here. We got the King Tone
2114
01:55:12.840 --> 01:55:15.880
Pierre Latin Kings, Mike Pizzally, one of our most popular shows,
2115
01:55:15.920 --> 01:55:17.399
and we're gonna be touching on Pizzagate with that too.
2116
01:55:17.399 --> 01:55:18.600
It's one of the most popular things. I think. This
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01:55:18.720 --> 01:55:22.640
Mike Cadelic tonight was a goal mine. And then we
2118
01:55:22.760 --> 01:55:27.199
have a Bill Kunstler, civil rights activist, his daughters and
2119
01:55:27.359 --> 01:55:29.600
Kent State. So I think we and I know there's
2120
01:55:29.600 --> 01:55:31.800
at least one more that I'm really excited about, but
2121
01:55:31.840 --> 01:55:34.640
I can't think of what it is right now. Yeah,
2122
01:55:34.640 --> 01:55:39.119
I'm working on the Moscow apartment bombings and putin and
2123
01:55:39.159 --> 01:55:40.560
a lot of stuff with that. Tim working on that
2124
01:55:40.680 --> 01:55:46.920
coming up. So the after show tonight, what I'm going
2125
01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:51.159
to be discussing is a lot of stuff. One is
2126
01:55:51.159 --> 01:55:53.319
going to be the Fair Credit Reporting Act as it
2127
01:55:53.399 --> 01:56:00.640
applies to background checks, pre employment background screening, also to
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01:56:04.479 --> 01:56:09.560
the three major credit reporting agencies, and how it's a monopoly.
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They have a monopoly over this industry and they have
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way too much power. By the way, these are things
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that I'm personally involved in that I have personal knowledge
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of that I've taught classes, and I taught a class
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on a Fair Credit Reporting Actors that applies to employment screening.
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So this is something that I taught people who were
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in the profession of doing this, So I think I'm
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qualified to discuss these things. Then the third one two
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is some personal experience I've had is with the merchant
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pain and processing industry and how they have way too
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much power too, and how they get a cut of
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every transaction across the country. That people are so obsessed
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with the Federal Reserve and the Fiat currency, you know,
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and these are Federal Reserve notes in the time, but
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no one says a word a peep about the credit
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card and the debit card transaction. That these companies take
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a percentage of and they can shut you down, put
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you out of business at a moment to notice. So
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that's that's what we're gonna be talking about tonight. And
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then there's are three and also too, identity theft is
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in there too, and we're gonna be talking about the hacking,
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these hearing, these these hacking hearings that we're on TV
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today and the Sony hacking and the quote unquote hacking
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and the Ashley Madison hacking. I'm part of groups with
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people who do that kind of cybersecurity. See one thing too,
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I want to cuifiz is I'm a digital for insict investigator.
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I'm not a cybersecurity expert. I don't I'm not involved
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in hacking or tracking down hackers. My stuff is creating
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exhibits for court from cell phones and computer hard drives
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and even internet behavior too. I can we can document,
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document that and create an exhibit for court. You know,
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which is a whole other story is you know you
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see all these people online all the time, bickering with
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each other, and they think they're they're saving the evidence,
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you know, and they're gonna copy paste. You need a
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witness to bring it at the course. For me, every wee.
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But all you experts threatening the suit people to have
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you know, I'm sure you know that already because you've
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all got YouTube channels, a bunch of geniuses. Everyone is brother. Okay,
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don't forget the member section when you know, since you know,
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I haven't been nagging about it because we had the
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Christmas holidays, but uh December we made nothing okay, nothing
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done in the member section or even donations. I think
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we got like one twenty donation from a very nice woman,
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but otherwise it's been very very very very weak and limited.
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So to get the show back on the track here
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and I have been kind of depressed too, you know.
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Even the uh Mike was saying, you know, you know
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it was I don't know. We call it the January blues.
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Somebody's calling it, ah, I don't know what I'm calling it,
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but not too through all these days. So keep in
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mind the member section. I would love to wake up
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