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Tony Bennett, not to Tony Bennett singer. This is Tony Bennett,
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a solicitor, is an attorney in the UK, and he's
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written this book Not All White, Getting Away with Murder,
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uncovering how Stuart Lubbock was killed a fascinating story that's
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really really big over there in the UK, and not
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that big over here because it's involved some celebrities and
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stuff in there. Mister Bennett, are you there, Yes, good evening.
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Thank you so much for coming on the show. Can
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you tell the audience who is Tony Bennett.
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Well, I'm seventy years old, so I'm retired now. Just
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a brief run through my career. I trained as a
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social worker after going to university, and I practiced in
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childcare and mental welfare work. I then graduated to doing
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what's called in England welfare rights advocacy, that is advocacy
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on behalf of poor off people, making sure they claimed
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all their entitlements. I then graduated, I qualified as an
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attorney and practiced as an attorney during the nineteen nineties.
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I was then offered a very interesting political job working
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for the UK Independence Party, which was set up in
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the nineteen nineties to campaign for Brexit. If you've heard
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the word sure, I was in at the start. Twenty
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years ago. I recognized that this country needed to be independent.
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I joined the UK in Dependence Party, working for its
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Then we only had one member of the European Parliament
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and he employed me as his political secretary. So I
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spent the next decade furiously campaigning to try and get
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us out of the European Union, and following that I
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reached retirement age. But this case came across me for
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reasons which I'll explained this to at lumber case. And
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since that case came across my desk, the last twelve years,
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most of my time has been spent on investigating cases
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of broadly speaking, injustice and police corruption.
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Very good the book. You have a couple of titles
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for this book, Is this the one you want to promote?
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The not all White? Getting Away with a Murder?
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Well, it's called not a White because the person where
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this terrible incident occurred, Michael Barrymore, had a catchphrase which
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was all white now, in other words, all right now.
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It was a catchphrase he used on his very popular
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television programs, And so we borrowed that phrase and say no,
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not a white because what he did and what he
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covered up was certainly not all right. And the subtitle
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of the book was getting away with Murder?
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Well, gives an idea, who was this Michael Barrymore? Because
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I haven't heard of him over here?
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Well, I knew you were going to ask me that question,
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and I think the way I would put it is
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this that he would be roughly comparable in celebrity status
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to your Oprah Winfrey over in America. Now, Oprah Winfrey
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is a TV host and an interviewer, whereas Michael Barrymore
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was more of a comic and entertainer. But if I
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tell you that his most popular TV programs, Strike It Lucky,
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was viewed by up to seventeen million people every night here. Now,
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we have a population of about sixty six million in
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this country, so that is more than one in four
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watching his shows every night. Now, I think you've got
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about three hundred million in your country, so it's a
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bit like seventy five million over there writing a program.
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He was that famous, And somebody said he was an
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induststry because at the time of the highlight of his powers,
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before this this very tragic incident, he was employing possibly
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two hundred and fifty people all to promote him. So
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he was really like a small scale industry in his
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own right.
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What about his wealth? Did he have the kind of
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wealth that Oprah Winfy has because she's a billionaire?
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No, No, I don't know. He never he never reached
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that kind of wealth. Now I think he spent a
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lot of money. Okay, No, he's rich enough to own
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two or three homes. And the place where this incident
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happened was what we call a mansion over here. It
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was a very palacial property, you know, which would have
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cost at the time two or three million pounds. So
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you know, he wasn't short of money, but his income
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was huge.
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So can you summarize the case for us in this
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whole love it, Stewart, love it?
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Yes, Perhaps before before we go, I should just go
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back to my personal life. I should explain that. I
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should have explained I married two children, four grandchildren, and
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Michael Barrymore was also married, but sadly that marriage collapsed
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and he became a homosexual, and that was again a
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major event in the life of the nation. If you
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can imagine Oprah Winfrey making some startling announcement, this is similar.
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The fact that he was the most popular entertainer here
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and then became gay was huge news for ages. But
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anyway to go to the incident, then the two main
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people involved were Michael or who at the time was
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in his fifties. I believe, and a young man called
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Stuart Lubbock. Now Harlow, where I was living at the time,
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is a working class town, and he was an ordinary
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working man at the time of the incident, aged thirty
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three and working in a meat packing factory, a bacon factory.
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Was actually, and again quite an ordinary family. He had
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an older brother. Unfortunately his parents were divorced. But he
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was a young lad who enjoyed a bit of partying
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and drinking, that kind of thing. Nothing out of the ordinary,
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steady job. And I suppose I ought to run on
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explain then how the incident took place? Shall I go
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on to do that?
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Well, I'm curious because you co wrote the book with
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Terry Lubbock. Is Terry Lubbock is your father or brother?
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Sorry? Tory Lovebck is Stuart's father father?
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Okay? And Barrymore? How old is Barrymore?
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Well, now he will be late sixties, oh.
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Your late sixties at the time, he's about late fifties.
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Yees, mid fifties, late fifties.
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Yeah, and you said that Lubbock was in his thirties
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thirty three. Now Lubbock, was he openly homosexual? Or is
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there question?
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No? No, there's no evidence or no insinuation that he
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was homosexual, none at all. In fact, he didn't marry
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and unfortunately that didn't work out and his wife left
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him and they got divorced. But no, he was no
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evidence that he was gay ass all though.
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Okay, I just didn't then describe the incident, what happened.
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There, well, Michael Barrymore, just my way of background, he
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at the time of this incident, he was in an
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intense relationship with an with a gay lover called Kenny,
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Jonathan Kenny, which is quite an important part of the story.
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And Jonathan Kenny is a drag queen in the northern
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part of England with a record of violence, and for
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some reason Michael Barrymore and he got together and were
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very much partners at the time of this incident. And
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on the night in question, this was a Friday night,
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Michael Barrymore and his lover set off for a nightclub
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in Harlow called the Millennium Nightclub, and so did Stuart
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Lubbock and his brother Kevin, So they didn't know each
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other before, but they set off at this nightclub and
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Stuart had onto drinks, his brother had one two drinks
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and during the evening, Stuart Lubbock was introduced to Michael Barrymore,
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as were a number of people. If you can picture
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the scene, Michael Barrymore was in a corner of the
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nightclub talking to some of his friends, one or two
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security people around, that kind of thing, and one or
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two other people came up and said hello, shook his hand,
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that kind of thing. Now, during the early hours of
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the morning, between about twelve o'clock and two o'clock, Michael
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Barrymore invited four people I think around his flat that
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he invited two girls in their twenties, and he invited
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Stuart Lubbock. And he also invited another couple from Harlow
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called Kylie Merritt and Justin Merritt, and they become a
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very important part of the story. I'm pretty sure that
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Michael Barrymore knew the Merits, the two Merits, Justin Merritt
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and kind of it brother and sister. So what about
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one circumstance or another, All of them found their way
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back in taxis to Michael Barrymore's house by about three
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o'clock in the morning. Uh. One of the one other
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and need I need to mention is that It's quite
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clear from various accountsies that Michael Barre and his lover
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were on bad terms that evening and a furious I
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think that may have been a contributory factor.
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Made an interactive for a second. I think the lot.
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Michael barnl Yeah, I.
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Mentioned that he had a violent pass. Can you describe that.
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He's got He's got some kind of record violence that
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haven't got the details, but he has got a record
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of violent incidents up in up in the north of England.
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So that's that's really all we know. I don't know
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the details of the dates. But there were assorts, I believe,
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and these were arrests.
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He was arrested for these.
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Assaults I believe. I believe he was, and I believe
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he was convicted, but I can't be one hundred percent
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certain about that. So I don't want to be quoted
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on that. It was part of his reputation anyway. So
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what do you got the party by now is you've
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got Michael Bayrmore and eight guests, two of whom he
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already knew. And then amongst us, I should say amongst
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those two, amongst those eight people were two other gay
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people from the village. Who knocked on his door about
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three o'clock in the evening and asked if they could
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join the party as well. So Michael Barymore, six people
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came along from the Millionaium nightclub, and then the two
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local gay lads in their twenties they came along. So
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there was eight people plus Michael Barrymore.
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At the party, and everyone was homosexual except for Stuart.
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Love It and the two girls.
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And the two girls with two women as well.
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Yeah, two young women can belong. But you're quite right,
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You're absolutely right. The all the males there, all the
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males there were homosexual, yes, apart from Stuart Lobb who wasn't.
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And perhaps I ought to add as part of the
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story that and I'm sorry some of these the details
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are a little bit unpleasant to talk about. But what
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we do know from the record that when Michael Barrymore
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got into his cab, this taxi to go back home,
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he said, in a loud voice to the taxi driver
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I could do as a fuck. Made it quite clear
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that he was very much up for sexual activity. So
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that's on the record. That was that came out in
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the court case.
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But anyway, mister Bennett, in the future, try and leave
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at the obscenities because this will air on AM radio
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on the airways.
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I didn't want to say it at all. I really
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didn't want to say it, but I mean, that is
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on the record, but I'll be careful. But anyway, what
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what we what we knew when the case was reported
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in the papers the next morning was that a young
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We were told that a young man had been found
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drowning in Michael Bawn was poor and he was dead.
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Obviously he was dead by the time he got to hospital.
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In fact that I can tell you if he was
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dead well before that. In fact, he was dead before
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the ambulance was called. We could be quite certain about that.
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But the story that broke was that he had been
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swimming in this swimming pool and somehow got downed. And
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that was the story that was put out at the time,
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and that has that story has stuck ever since. So
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whenever this case is in the news, which it has
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been on and off for years, and it's been in
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the news in the last year for other reasons, it's
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always spoken is the boy who died in the pool
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or the boy who was found in the pool. And
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if I can come head to the main the main
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case I make in the book is I am sure,
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on the basis of studying the case in depth, that
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he was never in that swimming pool. And really my investigations,
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which took a year or so at the time, really
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effectively proved that he was never in that swimming pool.
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Looking sorry.
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In other words, the idea that he drowned was the
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cover story hastily arranged to cover a brutal murder. And sorry,
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I've not really I'll come straight to this point as well.
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It's quite clear that he was brutally raped. We don't
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know by how many people, but the conclusions of the
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pathologies said were that he had been severely sexually assorted
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and that that was a likely cause of death.
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Well, what about like here in the States, we could
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take DNA samples, there would be semen, would be able
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to tell there was a semen from multiple assaulters. You don't
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have that, or there.
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We have all of that. We have all of that,
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and this case was badly handled from the outset. And
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if I could move on to other matters we might
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come to We have in England a system of being
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able to make a complaint to something called the Independent
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Complaints Commission, which investigates complaints against police officers. And when
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I got on the case many years later, it was
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quite plain, absolutely obvious that the police that done anything
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but a thorough job on the case. And the I
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mean the way that the case was handled by the
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police was really almost designed not to get to the evidence.
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The police immediately declared that this was a tragic accident,
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and I mean, none of those things that you've mentioned
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were done, and several other things were not done either.
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I don't know if you want me to go into
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those now, but there were a number of things simply
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not done.
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We're about to come to a break, so we can
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probably get to that when we get back. But now,
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when the police first arrived and they immediately assumed it
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was an accidental drowning, he was as summing in a
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drownd like, what was the temperature out there? Like, would
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it be likely that he because it sounds it was
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apri or first it had to be cool, the middle
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of the night had to be colled. Why did they
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what was the temperature that night? Do we know?
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I mean when the ambulance were called it it was
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about quarter to six. Yeah, and the temperature at that
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time of night. Was seven degrees center code or was
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you would have it over there? I think forty three
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degrees faite, so pretty cold the first of April. Pretty
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cold night. I need to go back now perhaps and
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just give you a little bit of background about the
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swimming pool itself. The swimming pool was new, relatively new. Now.
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It had been closed for the entire winter, all right,
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So it hasn't been used September, October, November, December, January, February, March,
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never been opened, ye, and it would have been virtually
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freezing cold if you can imagine, you know, it's the
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pool has had to survive the winter. And the argument
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of the people who cover this up and who killed
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Stuart love It was that the pool had been opened
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up during the early morning, and that it had been
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heated up, and that Stuart Lubbock jumped in and had
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a whale of a time splashing around in this water.
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But here we come to one of the great mistress
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of the case, because we had various stories about when
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the pool was opened. And I can be certain, as
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as certain as I can, that the pool cover and
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the heating did not take place until after Stuart was
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found dead as a result of the sexual assault. So
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the the the Although the although Michael Barrymore and its
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insisted that he had opened the pool cover early, the
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only thing that makes sense of this whole case is
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that the pool cover was opened afterwards. And here we
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come to one of the major major police mistakes in
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this case, and I would suggest it's a deliberate mistake.
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They are allowed Michael Michael Barrymore's manager to take the
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temperature of the poor. Now, when this incident took place,
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Michael Barrymore's manager was called to the scene before the
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ambulance were called. Michael Barrymore's manager was called Michael Brown,
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and he arrived before the ambulance were called before the
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police arrived, if you can, if you can understand that,
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and when the police arrived. Incidentally, one of the elements
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of the story is that before the ambulance came, Michael
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Barrymore did a runner down into the village to hide.
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There's another part of the story. But the the police
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were not able to get there before the manager, Michael
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Michael Brown. But when the police did arrive, they delegated
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Michael Barrymore's manager, Mike Brown, to take the pool temperature.
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Using his equipment or the police.
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Using his equipment using using a pool thermometer that was
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by the pool, and so they allowed him, yes, to
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use their own equipment to take their own temperature. Now,
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the temperature of the pool was recorded as by Michael Barriers,
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Moore's manager as twenty eight point three degrees syntigrade, which
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is about eighty to two fairy nigh, which would seem
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relatively normal for the swim pool. But it almost certainly
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could never have got to that temperature from freezing, you know,
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within within two or three hours. It's impossible for it
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arisen to that temperature.
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Mister b let's have to take a commercial rate.
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No, there's no way evidentially that the police should have
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allowed Michael Birable was manager to take the temperature.
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Yeah, obviously not. That's an absolute crimes contamination. We have
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Tony Bennett from the UK, former solicitor, author of the
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Stuart Lobbock was killed. Now, before we left for the
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break there you were saying that how did you come
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to the conclusion that the pool was not uncovered.
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Right, can I if you don't mind, let me get
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back to that, because we were on the point specifically
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of the police conduct, and I just wanted to sweep
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up matters regarding the police involvement. First. First of all,
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as we know, the handle of the all important examination
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of the pool temperature to Michael Barrymore's manager, and I'm
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sure you would appreciate it. Most of your listeners would
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understand that that's completely a contrary to normal police procedure
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and one wouldn't place any reliance on the temperature he
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came up with. Secondly, that the actual pool thermometer that
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was used was never recovered by the police. And that
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leads me on to a third point, which is almost
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unbelievable that after the police had visited the scene and
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taken very short statements, they did not secure the scene,
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but they left Michael Barrymore's manager in charge of a
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scene of crime. It's almost unbelievable to think that that
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could have happened. That I think he might be beginning
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to see that there might have been a pattern of
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a deliberate incompetence. This brought to this case and in
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fact later on I did bring an action against the
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Ssex Police to the Independent Police Conveytors Commission and they
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did that pole all complaints about the disconduct there, so
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they were criticized. But to go back to your question,
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I think you were asking me to explain really what
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happened and why I why I think what what has
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happened is that? Right? Yeah, Well, let me then go
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go back to what we know for certain about what
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took place that evening and what we don't know for certain.
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By the time we get to about four plock, all
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of the witnesses give a reason clearly a picture of
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what happened that they're right about us. They music was going,
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where drinks were supplied. We we also know that illegal
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drives top played as well. That's admitted on the record.
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Vocaine used there was carbis freely used that evening, which
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were both class as class abugs in the United Kingdom.
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That is there are at the top of the range
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and completely illegal to possess or supply them. And also
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another drug used that evening was so called amil knight race,
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which is used to promote sexual excitement. That's one of
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his main purposes. We know that at about three thirty
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three men went to a warn kouzie just outside on
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the patio, and we know that Jonathan Kenny was there,
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Michael Bowen was lover and Justin Merrit and Stuart Lubbock,
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and those three went into jacuzzi voluntarily. They will ended
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with drinks by kindly the youngster, and they were apparently
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a ration time in degree, and that's where the witness
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evidence after that all goes to pieces. To that point
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and those three men being in the takuzozie, everything seems
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to be quite normal. There's no contradictions between the witnesses.
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Everything seems perfectly normal.
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And that's around four a m.
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That's four o'clock roughly.
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Now.
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We then come an hour and three quarter later to
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five forty six when the ambulance is called, and that
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period of time one and three quarter hours is completely
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unaccounted for. The witnesses give a whole variety of contradictory stories,
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none of which really make any sense at all. And
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at five point forty six the ambulance was called. And
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again if you can picture the scene, when the ambulance
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people arrived, they find that Stuart Stuart Lubbock's body laid
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out on the side of the swimming pool just with
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a pair of shorts on, and the witnesses say that
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they have just recovered him from the pool. So that's
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the scene we have at five forty six. So at
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four o'clock we have the three men, one of them
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are homosexual, the other two probably not enjoying themselves on
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the checuzine one of Three quarter hours later we have
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the ambulance cord. Now what one has to do is
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to work out what happened in that hour and three quarters. Now,
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what we do know from the pathology evidence, and I
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haven't gotten into that in detail now, but altogether five
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pathologists were involved in this case, and all five agreed
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that he had suffered a serious sexual assault during the
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aar and three quarters. That's unanimous. Some of them said
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it was it must have been so serious that it
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killed him. And without being too graphic, all I can
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say is not wishing to to be too detail, but
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the the the injuries to the injuries to his anus
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were absolutely horrific, and I don't need to go into detail.
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They're really horrific.
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Can I answer a couple questions?
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One is yeah, of course, yeah, what were they wearing
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when they were in the jacuzi? What were they wearing?
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They didn't bring bathing trusts.
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Yeah, trunks, trunks that the Michael Barrymore said that he
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provided them all with trunks and towels. Trunks.
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Now, the distance between the jacuzzie and the pool, was
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it within I.
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Say yes, yes, they were close together.
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Yeah, okay, And then you were saying that there was
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a five of coroner's in quest said that the fire
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pathologist said that it was the cause of death was
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due to this brutal anal rapist.
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Right, okay, Well, if we if we move onto the
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pathology reports, we're moving onto a different subject. If I
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can just deal with them missing Aron three quarters, and
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then I'll gladly come on to the pathologist. But nobody
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could account for the missing Aron three quarters. Now, all
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the witnesses except the girls, I'm sure, must have known
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what happened to Stuart, all the other seven, but none
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of them claimed to know anything about it. They said
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they didn't know how these sexual injuries happened. If if
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you can imagine it, none none of those seven had
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any idea. They all at the inquest said no idea
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how it's happened, couldn't have happened, and so on, and
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they and they invented this story of how Stuart Lubbott
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was swimming in the swimming pool. The only the only
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two witnesses who were reasonably honest with the two girl
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girls who appeared to have been shunted away to a
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back room somewhere while the cover up was going on.
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And they they made very short statements saying that they
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weren't aware of anything that happened, although one of them
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did say that she was aware that she heard the
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men talking about a rape. So she told us that
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shall I go on to go run through the pathology evidence,
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because that's quite interesting.
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Actually, my next question was what was the cause of death?
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Was it drowning or some kind of other show?
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Right, this is one of the major major reasons why
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I've been involved in the case again recently because the
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inquest verdict was an open verdict. I don't know if
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you have such a verdict over in America, but an
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open verdict is essentially a way of the colin is
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saying that she can't say what the cause of death was.
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Open verdict tells you nothing, really nothing at all.
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We do have inconclusive, we would have to see yeah,
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well okay.
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Yeah inconclusive then yeah, that's right. The reason, the reason
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why an open verdict was given by the coin and
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was really because the whole case was mudded by the
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claim that he'd been in the swimming pool. So all
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the pathologists were told us a fat ed that he
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had been in the swimming pool that night, so they
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would presented that as an absolute one hundred percent fact
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when I'm sure that it wasn't. And in fact, if
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we were to go through the pathologist report in detail,
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most of them are very very clear in saying that
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the actual autopsy results were not consistent with drowning. And
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if I can develop that a little bit further, one
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of the crucial evidences was a pattern of what are
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called PETITCHII on the face and neck of Stuart Lubbock. Now,
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pidcii are tiny little blood spots which appear around the
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face and neck in particular when somebody is asphyxiated suffocated.
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So again, if you can imagine, see the doctors are
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told us a fact that he's been in the swimming pool,
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so they start off assuming that he's been drowned, but
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then a couple of the pathologists note these potitchii which
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were very clear. And again if you go to all
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the textbooks which I've had a chaft to look at,
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they will tell you that petitcii are a classic sign
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of asphyxiation. Now, two of the pathologists said that they
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thought that asphyxiation was the cause of death or a
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major cause of death. They neven had another pathologist who
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said that the I'm sorry, another two pathologists who said
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that the rape was so severe that that could have
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killed him alone. The severity of it could have should
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get a heart attack and killed him. Other doctors said
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it could be a combination of asphyxia and a heart attack.
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Only the original pathologist gave a verdict of drowning. And
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that's quite interesting as well, because the original pathologist was
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somebody called Dr Michael John Heath. Now he was a
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Home office pathologist, a registered Home office pathologist, which means
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one of the top pathologists authorized by the Home Office.
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And it's always been a mystery to us why he
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was called into this particular death. And I think you'll
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find that home office pathologists are called in where controversial
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deaths are involved, or celebrities that kind of thing. But
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you know, when I first took this case over in
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January two thousand and six, the very first thing I
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did was to, after I looked at the files, was
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to try and bring a private prosecution against Michael Byamore
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for various offenses committed at the party, mainly drugs offenses.
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Well, you know what, before we get to the private prosecution,
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which is a whole interesting because we don't have that here.
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We have civil litigation, we don't have private criminal prosecution. Yeah,
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I'd love to hear about that. But we're going to
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have a commercial break coming up now. But before we
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get to that, were there any indications of trauma to
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his neck or his nose, signs of ligatures around his
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neck or his mouth, anything like that.
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No, actually I can't recall any bruises or attack wounds
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or anything like that. No, there was a toxicology report
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which it said that he had consumed a certain amount
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of alcohol and a small amount of drugs as well,
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But there were no significant signs of him being held
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or gripped as far as I can remember. Nothing major anyway,
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nothing major. So the pathology signs were a serious sexual assault.
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Is his anus in ruins really in bits terrible and
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the fact that he'd been asphyxiated. Those are the two
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things that we know. But he was also found with
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water in his lungdeson in his body, which required explanation,
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so that was another feature again. The pathologists, despite finding
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water in the body, again largely ruled out drowning as
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cause of death. So the problem for the coroner in
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charge of inquest was with all these different opinions, you
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could argue that she had very little choice but to
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say an open verdict because she couldn't say which one
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of them was the actual cause of death. Was it
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the asphyxia or was it the rape?
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Now now the the anal trauma. What did they come
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to a conclusion Whether this was by use of a
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device or an instrument or.
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Yes, I can help you on that definitely. The A
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couple of the pathologists were experts, and they said that
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it must have been either excuse me, either a fist
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or an object as large as a fifth And again
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I'm sorry this is a little bit graphic, but I've
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got to say, is I think that the that the
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post mortem, the the aperture of his as was described
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as big as as an orange.
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Question, that's not drowning. Yeah, that's no drowning for sure. Okay,
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I'm your host, private investigator at Opperman We're here today
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with Tony Bennett, author of the book Not All White,
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Getting Away with Murder, uncovering how Stuart Lobbock was killed,
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the story about Michael Barrymore and his pool. Mister Bennett,
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you were talking about how over there in the UK
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you have something called a private prosecution and describe what
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that is.
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Right, Michael Barrymore undoubtedly committed criminal acts that evening, mainly
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drugs offenses, but he wasn't prosecuted for them. Now, we
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have a system in England where anybody can bring a
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private prosecution if they want to. If they think they've
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got evidence of a crime and the police does nothing
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about it, you can bring a private prosecution and that
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really was what triggered the massive publicity in the case.
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I did bring this private prosecution in January and it
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was at the published to that that the whole case
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took off in a big way, I should say, by
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the way that the judge in the case refused, for
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various reasons to go ahead with He did it to
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a dial. It didn't need to bring it so to prosed.
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But one of each of the cases that Michael barrymore
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were repeated the overhill career found with drugs in hotels everywhere.
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I think only once was he ever prosecuted. So I
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think perhaps what one can get here is a little
723
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bit of a bit of house Britain is protested from
724
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some of the crimes that admitted an aura of protection
725
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around some of them with where let's be honest, Michael
726
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.000
Bamoor had how many friends of money and in fact
727
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one of his lovers was a police officer. So you
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know this perhaps for one reason or another makes the
729
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police resultant to prosecute. But I felt that he should
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be prosecuted. But that was that was how the case began.
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Stuart lob Stuart Lobbock's father lived in the same town
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as me, in Harlow. That was my interest in the case.
733
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When I heard about another event in the case, I
734
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just offered help and by the way, the event that
735
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triggered this was that Michael Barrymore was on the programer
736
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reality TV show called Celebrity Big Brother. I don't know
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if you're aware of that over in the.
738
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States, but well no, we have that here too. We
739
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have it here too.
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Yeah. Anyway, so it's a show where there's a Big
741
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Brother show, but there's also a Celebrity Big Brother where
742
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celebrities get together and live in a house for a week.
743
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And that was the attempt to revive Michael Barrymore's career.
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This incident about Stuart Lobber happened in two thousand and one.
745
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This attempt to revive Michael Barrymore's career was in early
746
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two thousand and six, and it was that event that
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prompted Stuart, Stuart Lobbock's father to contact me and ask
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for help because he just couldn't stand the idea that
749
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:02.480
this man who was responsible for something terrible happening in
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his house was now his career was going to be revived.
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And I'm pleased to say that as a result of
752
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my investigations, he was arrested, I wrote my book, and
753
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as a result of that, his career never took off
754
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the ground again. So I regard that as a federal
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in my cap he didn't deserve to have his career revived,
756
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and it was really ruined by the year I spent
757
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on the case and writing the book.
758
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Well, well, let me ask you some questions about this
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private prosecution, because I'm fascinated.
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Sure.
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00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:36.880
Now a couple of things. Now, have you ever done
762
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this before in another case?
763
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No, I haven't known.
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And you actually act as the prosecutor like you conduct
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your own investigation, you cross examined witnesses.
766
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Yes, yes, right. The way it goes about, any person
767
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in Britain is entitled to inform a magistrate that an
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offense has been committed and if the police haven't executed it,
769
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you can bring your own prosecution. And all I had
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to do was set out in a legal letter the particulars.
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So all you have to do is you have to
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set out the name of the defendant, where he lives,
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what the offenses are, what are the facts of the case.
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I mean he was he was found with drugs in
775
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the property, so he was and supplying to others, so
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there were clearly offenses there. And the next procedure is
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that the magistrate looks at the case and decides whether
778
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it can go forward, and in this case it didn't
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go forward. But there are cases of private prosecutions that
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do succeed in this country. In fact, one of the
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one of the most well. There are two very famous ones.
782
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One was the prosecution prosecution, a private prosecution taken out
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by the parents of somebody called Stephen Lawrence who was
784
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murdered in a racist murder in London in the nineteen
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nineteen eighties, I think, and the police didn't act for
786
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one reason or another, and the parents took the case
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to court. There was a similar case in Ireland, Northern Ireland,
788
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where again the authorities did not prosecute the perpetrators of
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the Omer bombing which killed thirty people, again sometime in
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the nineteen eighties. I think because the authorities didn't that
791
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some of the victims of the families of the victims
792
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got together, raised money with the help of some of
793
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the newspapers in this country, and they successfully bought a
794
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:44.320
private prosecution. So yes, they do happen, but they're rare.
795
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We do have a similar process here where a civilian
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can file a complaint, make their own affidavit and complaint
797
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and just submitted directly to the prosecutor's office if the
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police aren't cooperating with them, and I've recommended that in
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the past. Now, why did Lubbock father contact you? How
800
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do you know about you?
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Right?
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I lived in the same town as him, in Harlow
803
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in Essex. And actually, funnily enough, because I lived in
804
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the same town, I'd followed this case for years. Anyway,
805
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every time it was national publicity, it was the top
806
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story in the local newspaper. And quite simply, when I
807
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think it was the first of January that year, there
808
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.400
was a big splash in the local paper saying that
809
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:33.519
the father, Tory Lovett, was very angry that Michael Barrymore
810
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was being having his career revived on this program. So
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all I did simply was I wrote him a lesson
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and said, look, I've been a slister for a number
813
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of years. I followed the case. Do you want any
814
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:48.039
help with it? As simple as that, And he fined
815
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me up and said, look, yes, I want justice for
816
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my son. And so I spent the next eighteen months
817
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:57.800
very much immersed in this case and trying to get
818
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results for him.
819
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Was you and Terry who wrote this book together.
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00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:05.920
We did. Yeah, We wrote it while as all this
821
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:08.599
was going on. We wrote most of the book before
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Michael Barrymore was arrested, because shortly before the book was published,
823
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it was serialized in one of the national newspapers over here,
824
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.000
which attracted a great deal of attention. And following the
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publication of the serialization in the news of the world,
826
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the police arrested Michael Barrymore on suspicion of murder, arrested
827
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:37.119
Jonathan Kenny on suspicion of murder, and arrested Justin merrit
828
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:40.599
on suspicion of murder. And they spent thirty six hours
829
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under questioning by the police. But sadly, the police announced
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00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:47.079
at the end that they had insufficient evidence with which
831
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:52.480
to charge anybody, simply simply because of course nobody would
832
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:56.239
admit to anything. It was complete, complete, absolutely funny enough.
833
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At the inquest, the coroner described the witnesses coming at
834
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like a wall of silence. That was the It was
835
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a phrase that the corony is very often a wall
836
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of silence. The witnesses you tried to ask them about
837
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what happened between half past four and quarters to six
838
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:19.239
that evening, a wall of silence. They didn't know it,
839
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:24.159
had no idea what happened, and so you know, the
840
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:26.599
coroner was stuck with people who just wouldn't tell the truth.
841
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Of course, let.
842
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:30.800
Me ask you real quick, we're coming to the end
843
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:33.159
of the hour. Do you think there's enough content to
844
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:35.159
continue on beyond an hour or would you want to
845
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:37.000
sum it up in the next six minutes.
846
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:42.760
Well, we can continue a bit longer, really depending on
847
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:45.599
some of the things that we haven't covered. For example,
848
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:50.960
I would like to explain to the listeners the contradictions
849
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:52.920
about how Stewart was found in the pool, because that
850
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.719
was a crucial part of my investigations, and they all
851
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:57.920
came up with very different stories, and I would like
852
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:02.960
to perhaps tell you all list there is about those details,
853
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.320
because they really proved that they were all.
854
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.440
Lying absolutely they then take your time with that.
855
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:12.320
Go ahead, But before I do that, I will come
856
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.480
back to that. But we left one point, which is
857
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.159
about the first pathologist on the scene, which I wanted
858
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.519
to follow up because I was explaining that the first
859
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:25.400
pathologist on the scene was a high level, high ranking
860
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:28.599
pathologist called in by the Home Office. Now his name
861
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:32.840
was Dr Michael John Heath. Now, strange thing is on
862
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:37.559
the very day after I brought my private prosecution and
863
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:42.280
it was publicized, I think it was the tenth of January.
864
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.559
On the very next day, Dr John Heath Dr Michael
865
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:51.000
John Heath resigned as a Home Office pathologist. And what
866
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:55.039
I can tell you is that his resignation triggered a
867
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:59.239
whole spate of inquiries into his pathology reports. He probably
868
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.239
done more reports in this country than anybody else, but
869
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:06.800
many of them turned out to be very inadequate and
870
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:11.159
very misleading. And in fact, I'm not sure how many
871
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:15.559
cases have been reworked redecided on the grounds that the
872
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.679
courters had to flowert his evidence, but there was many,
873
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:22.760
certainly a couple of dozen at least cases that had
874
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:28.239
to be reviewed because it was discovered that he'd given
875
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:32.960
completely incompetent evidence. And the point in this case is
876
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:35.920
that at the very beginning of this case he told
877
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:38.280
the police that the main cause of death was drowning.
878
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:44.079
So all the papers, all the newspapers, all the television said,
879
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:46.519
right at the beginning, in the very first few days,
880
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:52.400
the pathologist says, Stuart Lubbertt drowned in this room pool.
881
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:56.079
And if the coroner had not called in a second
882
00:56:56.119 --> 00:57:02.079
pathologist that would have stood probably that burning the other pathologists.
883
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:06.480
There were four others or major pathologists in this country,
884
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.639
and they all basically said, this is not a case
885
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:14.119
of drowning. He died from other causes. So you have
886
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:16.679
to raise a question mark. First of all, why was
887
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:21.719
doctor Heath called into this celebrity death of somebody at
888
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:25.519
several celebrities house. Then he'd have to ask why he
889
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:29.719
gave such bad opinions in so many other cases, And
890
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:32.679
then he'd have to ask why he resigned the very
891
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:38.760
day after I'd begun this prosecution prosecution, And incidentally, the
892
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:45.599
competence of his post mortem was basically criticized by the
893
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:48.480
other pathologists. That he hadn't done this, he hadn't done that,
894
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:51.760
he hadn't taken measurements, he'd failed to do this, he'd
895
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:55.119
failed to weigh that. And so it was a very,
896
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:58.639
very lasadaisical post mortem.
897
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:01.239
I can imagine that panic at the scene, you know,
898
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with the Barrymore panicking, his buddies panicking, you know, and
899
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:06.920
then they get their buddy pathologist comes in there through
900
00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:09.199
some connection, maybe through the manager, you know, and a
901
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:11.000
lot of shortcuts we're taken yeah.
902
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:17.679
Yeah, after I after I, after I've written this book,
903
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:23.119
I was contacted by somebody who runs a solicitor actually,
904
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:26.800
who runs something called Inquest, which is a legal advice
905
00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:30.119
service for people who are going through in quests. And
906
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:35.679
she told me horrendous stories of how corrupt pathologists exist
907
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:42.679
in Britain and corrupt high profile investigations. So if if
908
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:47.920
some people have some celebrities or high profile people have
909
00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:51.760
committed an act which results in serious injury or death
910
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:58.800
to somebody, it can be manipulated by corrupt pathologists. This
911
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:01.199
is a fact we have to record. Dislike in any
912
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:05.360
walk of life, the police can be corrupt, celebratists can
913
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:09.039
be corrupt, anybody can be corrupt. So can pathologists. And
914
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:12.119
I think this may have been the case here that
915
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.920
he was directed to call this as a drowning.
916
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:18.400
Yeah, yeah, we have that here in the States too.
917
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:20.719
It seems to be like a funnel point, you know,
918
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:23.519
where if you got your right guy in there, he
919
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:25.360
can cover up a lot of stuff for you, like that.
920
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:26.559
They had that in Arkansas.
921
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:33.280
Bill Clinton was yeah, I'm familiar with I'm familiar with
922
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:37.800
Clinton in Arkansas. I've studied that. Yes, yes, yes, let's
923
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.960
take a commercial break there. Okay, so he's got a
924
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:44.880
possibly corrupt pathologist, and then you've got a possibly corrupt
925
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:49.920
senior police officer who tells his men allow the manager
926
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:53.199
to take the temper of the pool, don't see the thermometer,
927
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:55.480
and allow the manager to run the crime scene after
928
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:59.039
we've left. If you put all that together, how is
929
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:02.719
Stuart expected to get justice? All the damage was done
930
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:04.880
in the first forty eight hours what we call over
931
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:08.480
here the golden hours. The golden hours are the forty
932
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:11.000
eight hours after an event when you need to seize
933
01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:13.719
all the evidence you possibly can. Like you mentioned earlier, Yeah,
934
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:14.360
we actually have.
935
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:16.519
In the States, we have a TV show called forty
936
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:19.920
eight Hours. It's a reality documentary TV show that shows
937
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.119
the first forty eight hours of a murder investigation. We
938
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:25.360
have to take a commercial breakthrough right now with Anthony Bennett.
939
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:28.280
Fascinating content here about this story about the port of
940
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:30.320
Stuart Lobock. And it's really a shame too, because when
941
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:32.519
I was looking up this case, someone often they just
942
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:34.559
described him as the man in the pool, the man
943
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.000
in the pool. He was Stuart Lubbock. He had a father,
944
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.679
Terry Lobock. He had a brother Kevin, people that loved
945
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:42.719
him and died way too young, way too soon. A
946
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:46.159
brutal abuse before his death. Even if we throw all
947
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.360
the evidence out, he did drown, a brutal abuse before
948
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:52.639
his death, but physical injuries to his ennis, there's no
949
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:54.519
doubt about that. So we'll be right back with more
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01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:57.800
of Anthony Bennett. Not a white getting away with murder,
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We're talking about the death of Stuart Lubbock at the
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swimming pool of Michael Barrymore, a big celebrit over there
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01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.800
in England, and I was on Celebrity Big Brother there
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for a while. Mister Bennett, you had mentioned in passing
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earlier that in between of the four am and the
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01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:15.000
period of time that they called the police or the
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01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:17.960
police arrived, that Michael Barrymore tried to run into town
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or something like that.
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He ran into town round about the same time as
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the ambulance was called. He ran down to a friend
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of his in the village and he explained this as
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panic but he in the end his manager had to
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01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:39.639
call him on the mobile phone. The police said we
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01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:42.280
need to talk to him. In fact, the funnily enough,
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01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:46.119
the ethics police were very reluctant to name anybody in this.
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01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:50.880
Obviously the press got onto this fairly early on, and
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01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:53.559
the police were desperate to talk to Michael Harymore because
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01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:56.280
he's the owner of the house and they couldn't find him,
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01:05:56.559 --> 01:06:00.320
and eventually his manager had to ring him up. Look,
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01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:02.480
you'll have all to the police. They want to say,
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you know what your explanation. I think it took them
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01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:09.199
about two hours before they could get to him. If
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01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:12.159
you wouldn't mind, I would just like to mention one
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01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:16.719
other thing that I forgot earlier, evidentially about the simple Well.
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01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:19.119
Yeah, but what rocail. First, he actually ran on foot
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or he got into his car.
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He was seen by what he seeing my witness, to
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01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:28.920
collect He was seen by a witness to collect certain items,
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01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:32.519
wrap them in a towel or a jumper and then
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01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:35.760
run off. So he was he was He was seen
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01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:42.400
going into draws here and there, picking things up, putting
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01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:44.239
them in a jumper or a bag or a towel
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or something like that, and then running off, Yes.
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Literally running from the scene of a crime.
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Running.
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01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:53.280
Okay, what you said you were going to say that,
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I ANSWERP.
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Did you anyway? I was trying to get over the
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01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:01.599
the encompassence of the police. One thing very important I
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01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:03.960
forgot to mention. Sorry I didn't mention it before, but
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01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:06.800
the police did not do a dietom test on the
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01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:11.000
swimming pool. Now, I don't know much about diatoms, but
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01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:17.159
they are some kind of small bacteria or something similar
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01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:21.159
which floats about in swimming pools. Now, if a diatom
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01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:24.679
test had been done, the police would have had proof
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01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:27.280
either way as to whether anybody had been in that
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01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:30.199
swimming pool or not. Really, please don't ask, please don't
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01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:33.360
ask me how the test works. But if they had
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01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.519
done a dietom test, I'm absolutely sure that they would
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01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:38.840
have found that there had been no human being in
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01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:43.119
that pool. And if I can just explain why Stewart
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01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:45.280
was found by the side of the pool and why
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01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:50.679
water was found in his system, I think it's quite simple. Clearly,
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01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:55.159
the man had been severely sexually assorted and died as
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01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:57.760
a result. Of that. There can't be much doubt about
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01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:03.159
that or asphyxiations associated with that. Now, it's the simplest
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01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:06.480
thing in the world for three or four people to
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01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:09.920
haul his body out onto the swimming pool, Isn't it
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01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:13.280
easily done? Yeah? But a dress him up in a
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01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:20.159
pair of shorts, pour a bucket of water over him,
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01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:23.880
stuff from water down his throat so that water appears
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01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:26.800
to be in his lungs. I'm absolutely certain that that
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01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:30.079
is what is done. He wasn't actually found by the
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01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:33.479
ambulance in the pool, in the pool that they found
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01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:35.039
him laid out on the side of the pool. And
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01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:37.680
what I'd like to do now in response to your question,
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01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:40.279
is can I please take you through all the different
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01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:44.159
versions of what happened when the witnesses say they found
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01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:47.520
Stuart lubbing in the pool, because that is really the
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01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:51.079
core of the base. I think excellent. Yeah, right, So
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01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:54.000
let me go first of water, to what Michael are said.
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01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:57.760
These are very important, these statements, because they show the
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01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:02.479
scale of the deception. So Michael Barrymore in his very
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01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:07.359
first statement said this, excided to go for a stroll
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01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:10.920
early in the morning by the singol at about five
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01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:16.800
thirty in the morning and I saw Stuart floating. I
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01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:21.000
rushed in and told Jonathan Kenny, that's his lover, and
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01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:25.960
the others to come and help. Now. Then, one thing
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01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:28.640
you'll notice there is he doesn't mention anybody else being
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01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:33.520
with him at the time. Now, he then says he
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01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:37.600
saw his lover, Jonathan Kenny Paul Stuart out of the pool.
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01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:42.640
So this is his first statement. I was alone, I
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01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:46.920
saw Stuart floating. I called my lover Jonathan Kenny, and
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01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:52.560
Jonathan Kenny pulled Stuart out of the pool. Now. Then
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01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:56.399
in his next statement, Barrymore says that he found that
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01:09:56.479 --> 01:10:02.560
he saw Stuart floating at the bottom of the The
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01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:05.960
pool was six feet deep, at least six seven feet deep.
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01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:10.079
So I don't know if you've ever heard of anybody
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01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:12.279
floating at the bottom of a pool, but that was
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01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:19.680
the exact term he U is floating at So, if
1106
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:23.880
I go on, maybe gave an interview and he wrote
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01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:25.560
a book in fact on the case. He wrote a
1108
01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:29.119
book about this case in fact and or about his life,
1109
01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:35.199
including the death of Stuart Love Again, he said that
1110
01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:40.560
he had He said that when he first saw Stewart,
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01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:44.239
he stared into his eyes for several minutes until he
1112
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:47.399
realized what had gone on. Now, how could he stare
1113
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:50.560
into Stuart Love exsise when he was if he was
1114
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:52.359
six feet at the bottom of the pool. It's not
1115
01:10:52.399 --> 01:10:55.560
possible as it. In fact, when I when I spoke
1116
01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:58.479
to the detective Chief inspector in the case, he said, yes,
1117
01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:01.720
I noticed that it doing pretty difficult to stare under
1118
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:04.920
into Stuart's eyes if he really was under six feet
1119
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:09.359
of water. So that's Michael Barrymore's stories, which as you
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01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:11.600
can see, changed, But let's have a look at some
1121
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:14.560
of the other ones. Now. I come now to Simon Shaw,
1122
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:20.560
who was one of the two local homosexuals, and he
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01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:23.800
gives two separate accounts, So bear with me while I
1124
01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:28.560
go through the first account. In his first statement, Simon
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01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:31.640
Shaw said that he just happened to notice Stuart's body
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01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:35.000
in the swimming pool on his own, on his own
1127
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:38.600
as he mistaken me left the party early by a
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01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:43.600
side door because he didn't know the property. He said
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01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:45.640
that he got him out of the swimming pool all
1130
01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:52.640
on his own and then went home. Oh. Now, one
1131
01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:55.239
of the things that emerged in evidence later was that
1132
01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.159
he'd been to the Barrymore's house many times before he
1133
01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:02.760
needed a property inside out. The whole story was absolute nonsense.
1134
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:07.399
But can you see instantly how that the story is
1135
01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:12.199
just unbelievable from start to finish. He didn't know the property,
1136
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:14.840
that's a lie. He got him out of the pool
1137
01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:17.920
all on his own. Now, I defy anybody to get
1138
01:12:18.039 --> 01:12:23.720
anybody who's who's unconscious or dead out of a pool
1139
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:27.880
on their own. It's fairly humanly possible. And if you did,
1140
01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.239
by the way, if that really had happened, you'd have
1141
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:34.399
abrasions of all kinds on the man's bodies as he
1142
01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:38.359
scraped the side of the swim pool. So I think
1143
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:41.319
probably your listeners will be the thing an idea that
1144
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:43.640
none of these stories make any sense. Let me go
1145
01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:47.640
now into his second statement. Two or three days later,
1146
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:52.840
he made a second statement. This time he says this Barrymore,
1147
01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:57.119
myself and my friend James Sputters were all smoking cannabis
1148
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:03.279
when Michael Barrymore said let's go for a swim. He
1149
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:07.319
then says that he and James Futters found Stewart and
1150
01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:12.920
that but Michael Barrymore was not there when they found him.
1151
01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:15.800
He then says that he alone dived in and Paul
1152
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:19.479
Stewart from the pool, but he then says somebody else
1153
01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:23.159
helped to pull him out. So I don't know whether
1154
01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:26.199
I need to run through all the different stages of
1155
01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:29.439
how these are inconsistent. I'll just pass over them and
1156
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:32.000
you could ask me questions about it. But his second
1157
01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:34.800
version is different from the first. It contradicts Barrymore, who
1158
01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:37.239
said that he was the first to find him. He
1159
01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:40.439
contradicts himself now by saying that somebody else was with him,
1160
01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:46.960
And so let me go onto James Futter's version. James
1161
01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:50.399
Futters is the local gay man who who was a
1162
01:13:50.439 --> 01:13:52.640
friend of Simon Shaw and a friend of Michael Barrymore.
1163
01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:56.039
His account is more as the same as Simon Shaw's,
1164
01:13:56.640 --> 01:14:01.319
but he also says that Michael Barrymore was not with
1165
01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:06.720
them when he and his friend found Stewart, So they're
1166
01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:11.439
contradicting Michael Barrinore's version of events. Now I come finally
1167
01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:17.680
to the version of Jonathan Kenny, Michael Barrymore's lover. Now
1168
01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:21.159
his accounts like this. He says, all of a sudden,
1169
01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:25.159
Michael Barrymore rushed into where I and Justin Merritt were sitting,
1170
01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:31.720
and Barrymore shouted, someone is drowning. But he says that
1171
01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:35.239
this was only minutes after they'd left Stuart Lubbock in
1172
01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:40.079
the chacuzzie, and that he was just toweling off after
1173
01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:42.840
being in the chacuzzie. You'll remember that he was in
1174
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:48.479
the jacuzzi at four o'clock, but all this is happening
1175
01:14:48.479 --> 01:14:51.359
at quarter to six. So he's claiming that he was
1176
01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:53.479
just toweling off after being in the jacuzzie for a
1177
01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:57.319
couple of hours. It's not credible. But now he says
1178
01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:02.520
further that he was the first to find He was
1179
01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:07.239
the first to find Stuart or to see Stuart, because
1180
01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:11.239
Michael Barrymore had rushed away from the Poor and he then,
1181
01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:15.439
he says, went to the poor and he saw Stuart
1182
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:19.560
floating at the top of the pool with his face downwards.
1183
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:23.319
So if you get the picture here, his account is
1184
01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:26.479
Barrymore rushes down, says I've seen someone in the pool.
1185
01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:29.960
But Jonathan Kenny goes and has a proper look and
1186
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:34.840
sees him floating face down. And he then says that
1187
01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:44.960
Kylie Merritt helped to get Stuart out of the ziring pool.
1188
01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:50.319
Nothing about Simon Shaw, nothing about James's Jonathan Kenny says
1189
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:52.840
that he was the one who got Stuart look out
1190
01:15:52.840 --> 01:15:58.239
of the poor, helped by Kylie Merritt. So complete contradictions.
1191
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:01.039
You know, it's interesting too that they almost all claimed
1192
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:03.119
that they were the only person there and they they're
1193
01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:05.920
the ones who found out they're the ones. Yeah, that's
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a huge contradiction, you know.
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I mean, they are massive, aren't they? They are massive? Now,
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I should just want I won't go into the men.
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01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:17.960
There are other details, but I will just add that kindly.
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01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:21.520
Merit when she was questioned, completely denied that she'd helped
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01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:25.039
get anybody out of the swimming pool. Now, I think
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01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:27.680
the thing that I'd like to get over to your listeners,
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01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:31.279
that this is the core of it really is. Can
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01:16:31.319 --> 01:16:35.680
you tell me how a police force and a coroner
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01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:40.439
can come up with an open verdict after these people
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01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:43.159
have clearly all lied through their teeth. I'm sorry to
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01:16:43.159 --> 01:16:45.279
say it, and I don't mind saying it because it's
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01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:49.600
so obvious that they've all fabricated their stories. But how
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01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:53.720
is it possible and these people who've fabricated the stories
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01:16:53.720 --> 01:16:55.920
have gone away with it? Why have they not at
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01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:01.600
least been prosecuted for perjury? With the course of justice,
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01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:04.720
as we call it, perverting the course of justice. They've
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01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:08.239
obviously died. It's obvious that they're all covering up for
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01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:13.760
a terrible sexual assault, and yet all we have is
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01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:16.680
an open verdict and no prosecutions at all.
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01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:20.720
Now, what about since that time. It's been a long time,
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01:17:22.119 --> 01:17:24.119
two thousand and one. I think it was right.
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01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:28.319
Yes, well along the way I mean, in the wake
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01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:33.600
of the arrests. The three men, as I've said, were
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01:17:33.680 --> 01:17:38.359
arrested by Moore and Kenny and Merritt all arrested and
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01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:42.920
then discharged after about thirty six hours, and the police
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01:17:42.920 --> 01:17:46.119
said that they didn't have sufficient evidence to prosecute them. Now,
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01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:49.239
just one or two little things along along the way
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01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:52.520
there that the book was published and went very well.
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01:17:54.439 --> 01:17:59.800
I also managed to successfully get the Independent Police Complaints
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01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:04.840
Can to criticize ethics Police very severely for their failures
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01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:08.159
during the forty eight hour period of Golden Period. I
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01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:12.479
also was able to make a claim for compensation on
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01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:15.760
what we call criminal injuries compensation. Now we have a
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01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:19.680
scheme in England whereby if you can prove on the
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01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:24.319
balance of probabilities that somebody has died from a crime
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01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:28.399
of violence. Then the parents are entitled to compensation automatically
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01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:32.800
from the state. In other words, if it's more likely
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01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:36.439
than not that somebody has died from a crime of violence,
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01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:42.119
that the parents will get compensation. In this case, the
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01:18:43.479 --> 01:18:46.199
mother and the father were entitled to about six thousand,
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01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:49.159
eight hundred pounds each. But the point is that that
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01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:53.520
has never been done before. Nobody had thought to make
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01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:58.640
this claim, and it's simply involved giving the Criminal Injuries
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01:18:58.640 --> 01:19:00.960
Authority the same information that I've given you in this
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01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:07.239
phone call, the contradictory evidence, the pathology evidence, and of
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01:19:07.319 --> 01:19:11.359
course they said, yes, he suffered from a crime of violence,
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01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:15.399
and they paid in the compensation. Now that was some
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01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:19.560
small comfort if you can imagine too the parents. They'd
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01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:22.079
got some kind of result, not the result they wanted,
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01:19:22.119 --> 01:19:25.640
but they got some satisfaction and a small amount of
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01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:30.600
financial compensation. But I'd completely forgotten about the case until
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01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:34.680
about two years ago. I mean, I'd done what I
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01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:37.279
could back in two thousand and six, two thousand and seven,
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01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:44.119
there was no more to do. But unbelievably two years ago, rough, well,
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01:19:44.119 --> 01:19:44.439
you know what, this.
1250
01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:46.439
Might be good time to take a break and we'll
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01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:48.159
get back to this about what happened two years ago.
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01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:50.319
You'd forgotten about the case and two guys ago. So
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the Opperman Report. I'm your host, proud Inbiscator at Opperman.
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We're here with Tony Bennett, a former solicitor in the
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01:23:55.199 --> 01:23:57.640
England over there, wrote a book Not a White Getting
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01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:01.000
Away with Murder, uncovering how Stuart Loveock was. Now Tony.
1324
01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:03.079
When we left off, you were saying how you've forgotten
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01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:05.079
about the case for two years and then somebody you
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01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:06.039
got dragged back in.
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Yes, I'm going to tell you about how I got
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dragged back in a moment. I just realized a couple
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of things which I think just to give further information
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01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:19.960
to your listeners, if you don't mind, just before we
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do that. First of all, I did mention the first
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01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:27.960
pathologist and the gravity of his failures. Just read out
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01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:30.159
a list of them here, which from the official record
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01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:35.239
that he's one failed to make any note whatsoever of
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01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:41.840
the length or depth of the lacerations in Stuart's anus. Secondly,
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01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:45.760
failed to make any description at all of the damage
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01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:51.199
to the anal canal. Thirdly, failed to make a histological
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01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:56.880
examination of the lungs, which is normal pathology practice. The
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01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:59.479
fourth one I've already mentioned, failed to call for a
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01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:02.520
sample of water from the swimming pool, which would have
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01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:08.119
provided evidence of diatoms in the poor and fifth failed
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01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:12.800
to even mention the obvious POTITCHII, the pinhead sized blood spots,
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01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:17.920
which all the other pathologists had pointed to. So that
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01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:22.840
was the other pathologists attacking dot or now I would
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01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:26.560
again you asked me about the whether there was any
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01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:30.960
evidence scientologies a hard object being inserted into the anus.
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01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:34.079
I would like to just run through the port of
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01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:39.920
Professor Crane. These essential bits, he says. First of all,
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a possible cause of epiphyxia, that is mechanical interference with
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such as obstructing the mouth and the nose. He said. Also,
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01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:54.159
I note that Dr heath autopsy revealed the presence of
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01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:58.399
significant injuries to the anus. The anus has dilated, its
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01:25:58.399 --> 01:26:01.359
margin was bruised. Who were lesserte at six o'clock and
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at twelve o'clock. There was no depth or length of
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01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:08.039
the lacerations given, it is quite clear from the post
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01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:12.279
mortem photographs that there continued to be significant bleeding from
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01:26:12.279 --> 01:26:18.800
the anal lacerations even in the mortuary. These injuries continued.
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01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:23.800
Professor Crane were indicative of a serious sexual assault. They
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01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:27.479
were caused by the forceful insertion of a hard object
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01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:31.000
into the anus. They could not have been caused by
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01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:35.279
consensual anal intercourse, and would be in keeping with the
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01:26:35.279 --> 01:26:39.039
insertion of a large objectect or by the practice of fisting,
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01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:42.840
whereby a clenched fist is forced into linus and he
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01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:47.159
goes on. If Lubbock was conscious whilst this was taking place,
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he would have experienced severe pain and is likely to
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have had to have been forcibly restrained. It also seems
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highly likely that he would have been screaming or crying
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01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:02.640
out in pain. Bleeding would have occurred immediately after the
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event and would have been a significant amount. Now, one
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thing I did fail to mention also was that several
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neighbors heard screaming at about five o'clock in the morning,
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and they weren't called to give evidence at the inquest,
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but that would be consistent with Stewart having been violently
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01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:27.600
assorted about five o'clock in the morning, about three quarters
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01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:32.880
of an hour before the ambulance was caused. But anyway,
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I should I go on to just to explain what's
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happened recently, because I got a call from Terry Lubbock
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just about eighteen months ago now eighteen twenty one months ago,
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because he saw a newspaper report that Michael Barrymore was
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suing Essex Police for damages. Now, the basis of that
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01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:58.800
was that he claimed that Essex Police had no evidence
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whatsoever for having arrested him on suspicion of murder. And furthermore,
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they said that the arrest was unlawful because he'd been
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arrested by a detective inspector and not a detective Chief inspector.
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Rules are that whether there is a suspect arrested for
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murder has to be arrested by somebody of the rank
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of detective Chief inspector or above. Unfortunately, because the police
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01:28:31.279 --> 01:28:33.560
had to arrest three men at the same time the
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same day, they couldn't find a detective chief inspector at
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01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:41.319
short notice to arrest barrymore so that the detective inspector
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to one rank below, So that was part of his case,
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01:28:45.439 --> 01:28:47.560
the wrong rank of the officer who arrested him. But
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also he said there was no evidence to justify his
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arrest on suspicion of murder. The amount of damages he
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was claiming was two point five million pounds, which I
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think is about three and a half to four million
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dollars in dollars. Now you can imagine what effect that
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had on Stuart's father. Here he is, his son has
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hasn't got justice, The perpetrators have not been brought to justice.
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And there is the one of the either the perpetrators
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or somebody with good knowledge of what happened going to
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the courts and trying to claim two point five million pounds.
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It's things, really, doesn't it.
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01:29:34.520 --> 01:29:40.560
It's horrific that he would have the goal to even
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01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:42.920
attempt then, or that he would have an attorney who
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01:29:42.920 --> 01:29:44.239
would go along with that.
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01:29:45.399 --> 01:29:48.159
I agree. I agree that the goal is the right word.
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01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:51.000
So many people have said that they could not believed
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01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:53.640
the goal to do it exactly those words. Yea.
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And now it's been so long, are therey rumors or gossips?
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Because so many people were involved. There were so many
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people well there of what happened that night.
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No, no, no, there isn't. The nearest I can this
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I can get to it is that when when these
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proceedings open. By the way, yeah, Terry Lubbert, the father
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01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:20.960
is not a party to these seedings. Michael Barrymore is
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01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:25.319
suing Essex Police, so Terry Lobbot can't interfere in those proceedings.
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01:30:25.399 --> 01:30:28.720
It's a massive for the court to Michael Barrymore and
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01:30:28.840 --> 01:30:31.760
for x Police. It's not for Terry Lubbert. But what
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01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:34.880
we do is we did try to obtain a second
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01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:41.880
inquest on the basis of fresh evidence. But the the
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01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:46.600
Mike Michael Baron Moore's case was essentially founded on that
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01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:51.880
there was intufficient evidence to the restaurants aspiration of murder,
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01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:56.520
and the cases has gone through the courts now and
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unfortunately I'm sorry to that the judge in the cast
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a few months ago decided that in that the Michael
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01:31:05.520 --> 01:31:09.840
Barrymore had proved his case that there was insufficient evidence
1428
01:31:09.880 --> 01:31:14.079
to him on the challenge of murder, the court rule
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01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:18.920
that he would be going to get the conversation you
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01:31:18.920 --> 01:31:23.159
get to be, So where we are now he's claim
1431
01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:27.039
to and a half of the impounds, of course are
1432
01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:31.000
entire some conversations. I believe at the moment Michael burial
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01:31:32.560 --> 01:31:40.439
with six the amount and if they can't agree and
1434
01:31:40.640 --> 01:31:45.800
the court, but I said, what it instice justice turned
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01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:51.840
on its head. Really, it's one injustice afternoon and I'm
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01:31:51.880 --> 01:31:56.239
ast admit the the judgement have had grounds for his
1437
01:31:57.279 --> 01:32:00.319
because there is no direct prof that Michael ba More
1438
01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:04.399
participated in this attack. I should make that tear. We
1439
01:32:04.479 --> 01:32:08.159
don't know who committed attack on Stuart Lubbert, do not
1440
01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:12.800
know who. We can make intelligent guests that we That
1441
01:32:13.039 --> 01:32:18.800
is the trouble here that with the science you compenetrate
1442
01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:21.520
the world's starts. But I will tell you was an
1443
01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:29.600
intelligence report supplied by somebody to the Essex Police Indigence Service.
1444
01:32:32.319 --> 01:32:37.159
An informer stated that he had evidence that two of
1445
01:32:37.239 --> 01:32:41.279
the witnesses had been paid off a substantial sum of
1446
01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:45.039
money to lie about what happened that night. Two of
1447
01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:47.439
the witnesses have been paid off as a postantial sum
1448
01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:52.359
of money. Now we can make intelligent guesses about who
1449
01:32:52.399 --> 01:32:54.840
those two witnesses are. I think it might be the
1450
01:32:54.880 --> 01:32:57.560
two girls personally, But there's no evidence as to who
1451
01:32:57.640 --> 01:33:00.359
they are, but that would be consistent with what I
1452
01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:02.600
believe has happened in this case has been an almighty
1453
01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:06.279
cover up. Not only that, but I believe that account
1454
01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:09.399
to be true, that that witnesses were paid off large
1455
01:33:09.399 --> 01:33:11.119
suther of money to say nothing.
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01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:14.880
Because we saw the witnesses lifestyle change and employment and
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01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:17.239
you know, I don't know.
1458
01:33:17.359 --> 01:33:22.159
I think I think for obvious reasons, the intelligence reporter
1459
01:33:22.199 --> 01:33:24.840
has never been published in form You wouldn't expect that
1460
01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:28.239
really to be honest with them and the the there
1461
01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:30.760
would be an intelligent spile at Essex Police. Who the
1462
01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:34.840
informant was and what his sort of knowledge was, what
1463
01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:38.640
his reasons were. I mean, who knows whether he might
1464
01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:41.079
have known that for a fact or he might have
1465
01:33:41.159 --> 01:33:44.520
just made a guess. But it doesn't appear to have
1466
01:33:45.439 --> 01:33:50.600
got anywhere. I mean, you would look sure for witnesses
1467
01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:53.880
lifestyles to have changed, new cars, holidays, that kind of thing.
1468
01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:57.159
But all we know. All we know for certainly is
1469
01:33:57.199 --> 01:34:03.720
that one informant has said that two witnesses were handsomely
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01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:07.079
paid off, which to my mind is very consistent with
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01:34:07.119 --> 01:34:09.439
what we know about the scale of this cover up.
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01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:15.199
Ah boy in all of our discussions today. Is there
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01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:16.880
anything I've left out that I've forgotten to ask you?
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01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:21.199
I think we've covered the main grounds, honestly. I mean
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01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:24.680
there are matters of details that we could delve into,
1476
01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:32.479
but hopefully all the listeners will have an idea of
1477
01:34:32.479 --> 01:34:35.119
of what happened. We know, I mean to summarize. Then
1478
01:34:36.079 --> 01:34:39.479
we know that it was a sex serious sexual assault
1479
01:34:39.479 --> 01:34:42.000
that took place. There's no doubt about that, very serious.
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01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:45.920
We can deduce I think that that was the cause
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01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:50.560
of death, even though the coroner wouldn't agree. We can
1482
01:34:50.680 --> 01:34:54.039
deduce from the witness statements that I've read out about
1483
01:34:54.079 --> 01:34:56.439
the how he was supposedly found in the pool, that
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01:34:56.479 --> 01:34:59.560
he wasn't found in the poor and that he probably
1485
01:34:59.680 --> 01:35:03.880
was never in the pool, and that basically a fake.
1486
01:35:04.399 --> 01:35:08.439
This is a fake drowning, a hoax, rapidly concocted on
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01:35:08.479 --> 01:35:13.079
the spot by the people who killed him and obviously
1488
01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:15.239
wanted to cover up. And then, as you say, we
1489
01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:17.399
have a saying in English, I don't know if you
1490
01:35:17.399 --> 01:35:19.800
have the same over there, adding insult to injury.
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01:35:20.119 --> 01:35:20.319
We do.
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01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:25.359
And surely the compensation being paid to Michael bymore after
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01:35:25.439 --> 01:35:28.000
This is a true example of adding insult to injury.
1494
01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:29.840
But I think I've covered the main points.
1495
01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:32.760
One last question in the media, like the average guy
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01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:34.960
on the street, do they believe the official story or
1497
01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:36.560
do they believe that this is all a cover up?
1498
01:35:37.239 --> 01:35:39.720
No, if you look at the Internet, Twitter and so on,
1499
01:35:40.359 --> 01:35:48.039
there's many jokes made about Michael Bymore. The most people
1500
01:35:48.119 --> 01:35:52.039
know that Stewart was in effect effects rapes that evening
1501
01:35:52.800 --> 01:35:55.760
and cruelly raped. I mean, I think everybody knows that.
1502
01:35:55.800 --> 01:35:58.239
It's one of these things that everybody knows, really, But
1503
01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:03.600
of course there is still media representing this as a drowning.
1504
01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:12.079
So actually on the back cover of my book when
1505
01:36:12.119 --> 01:36:17.319
I first started making noises about this case, there's a
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01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:20.640
newspaper called The Sun over Here which was very close
1507
01:36:20.680 --> 01:36:23.840
to Michael Barrymore, and at the beginning of the year
1508
01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:28.720
they wrote a headline like this. Michael Barrymore's story has
1509
01:36:28.760 --> 01:36:35.560
been backed by medical evidence and key witnesses. Now that
1510
01:36:35.680 --> 01:36:38.960
the son has on Earth lost evidence that seems to
1511
01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:44.000
back up Michael Barrymore's version of events. Now, Michael Barrymore
1512
01:36:44.079 --> 01:36:49.000
actually claimed that the injuries to Stuart's amus were caused
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01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:51.880
by a hospital thermometer when he arrived in the ambulance,
1514
01:36:53.720 --> 01:36:56.720
and in fact there was a separate investigation, quite a
1515
01:36:56.760 --> 01:37:00.600
cost investigation into those claims. He and his lawyers and
1516
01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:03.720
his publicist said that if there was any injury to
1517
01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:06.079
his aim, as it must have happened, they blamed the hospital.
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01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:10.319
So the hospital had to be investigated to see if
1519
01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:12.199
there's any truth in it. Of course, the thermometer was
1520
01:37:12.199 --> 01:37:15.199
a tiny thing, one that would have done no damage
1521
01:37:15.239 --> 01:37:18.840
at all. But again coming back to the point I
1522
01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:22.680
was making. This same newspaper, The Sun, which had backed
1523
01:37:24.680 --> 01:37:27.279
Michael Barrymore to the hilt and backed up his so
1524
01:37:27.399 --> 01:37:32.359
called medical evidence. One year later they ran an opinion
1525
01:37:32.439 --> 01:37:36.319
poll head on this issue, and this is what they said.
1526
01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:39.960
Readers of our newspapers say they don't want the disgraced
1527
01:37:40.199 --> 01:37:45.199
entertainer back on television. Memories of that ghastly knight of
1528
01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:48.840
death and debauchery at his home as still too fresh.
1529
01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:54.680
One Sparrymore was a genuinely rat talent. Today he is
1530
01:37:54.720 --> 01:37:59.479
a pathetic and disgraced liability.
1531
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:02.920
So this did destroy his career.
1532
01:38:03.039 --> 01:38:07.640
After this incident one it's it's remained under Yeah, he's
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01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:08.800
never never got back.
1534
01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:12.359
No, okay, Well that's good to know now, if people
1535
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:14.079
want to find you and you and follow your work.
1536
01:38:14.119 --> 01:38:16.239
Do you have a website or a Twitter or Facebook?
1537
01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:19.960
I don't. I don't have a website. I am on Twitter.
1538
01:38:20.079 --> 01:38:22.199
I can be contacted on Twitter, and I handle is
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01:38:22.399 --> 01:38:25.800
zampos z A m p O s v A m
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01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:30.319
p O s no no z a m p o
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01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:36.319
s zampos z a m z zebra z a m
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01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:40.119
p O p o yeah z a m p O.
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01:38:40.119 --> 01:38:44.000
S pos z a m p O s Okay, pretty Bennett,
1544
01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:46.399
thank you so much. I don't enjoy the story, but
1545
01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:48.359
I enjoy the way you tell the story, and I
1546
01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:50.319
appreciate that. I hope people will check out your book.
1547
01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:52.680
If anything new comes up, get a hold of me, okay,
1548
01:38:52.680 --> 01:38:53.800
and we'll we'll update with it.
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01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:57.000
There are developments, and I will certainly. I've got your
1550
01:38:57.000 --> 01:38:59.560
email now and I'll be pleased to update you. I
1551
01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:02.199
think it will cause a minor sensation if he gets
1552
01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:05.119
any money at all. So happy to talk to you
1553
01:39:05.159 --> 01:39:08.039
then if, if, and when he gets his money.
1554
01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:10.520
Thank you very much, keep in touch, okay, good night.
1555
01:39:11.680 --> 01:39:15.560
Then he had Anthony Bennett, uh seven years old. You
1556
01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:17.840
know he has a way telling his story, not a
1557
01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:23.800
whit getting away with murder, uncovering how Stuart Lubbock was killed. Uh,
1558
01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:26.600
And I'm glad we owe this to Graham. Rico Boston
1559
01:39:26.800 --> 01:39:31.039
one of my listeners who has been helping. He helps
1560
01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:32.479
with a lot of guests at a lot of good
1561
01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:35.239
guest suggestions come from Graham. I really appreciate it. From
1562
01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:37.239
the UK up there and he's into rap and you
1563
01:39:37.279 --> 01:39:39.479
know it's they they're wrestling looks somethings I'm not to into,
1564
01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:42.640
but that stuff we definitely usually it's a home run
1565
01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:45.479
whenever Graham sends me a guest. So I really appreciate
1566
01:39:45.479 --> 01:39:51.680
that a lot. Let's see a couple of things he
1567
01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:54.159
was talking about, Like about this whole thing about how
1568
01:39:54.319 --> 01:39:56.359
when the police show up at a celebrity's house and
1569
01:39:56.479 --> 01:40:00.279
everything's handled differently and the manager comes, the managers, oh
1570
01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:02.880
can you take the temperature for us? Reminds me of
1571
01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:07.439
the story of Don Simpson. You might recall Don Simpson
1572
01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:10.840
was a movie producer and he produced all those movies
1573
01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:13.560
like Top Gun and that other one with Tom Cruise
1574
01:40:13.560 --> 01:40:16.319
with a racetrack, you know, the races, all those There
1575
01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:19.199
was a whole series of them, you know, of these movies.
1576
01:40:19.199 --> 01:40:22.319
We had the same exact pattern, the same template to
1577
01:40:22.359 --> 01:40:26.600
the movie Don Simpson and this I guess this is
1578
01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:30.279
who went back in the eighties and he was one
1579
01:40:30.319 --> 01:40:34.279
of Heidi Flies's clients. Heidi Flys, the famous madam Hollywood
1580
01:40:34.279 --> 01:40:37.880
madame Heidi Flies, and Don Simpson had this reputation of
1581
01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:42.600
being brutally sado masochistic to the girls that were sent
1582
01:40:42.680 --> 01:40:48.199
over to had that reputation. And what happened was one
1583
01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:50.760
night Don Simpson had a party, you know, Hollywood producer
1584
01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:53.479
has a party man, and it was a death at
1585
01:40:53.520 --> 01:40:58.079
his party. I believe he was a young man and
1586
01:40:58.359 --> 01:41:03.359
the same thing as Michael Barrymore and Stuart Lubbock. Before
1587
01:41:03.359 --> 01:41:07.000
he would call the police, he called up people to
1588
01:41:07.039 --> 01:41:10.800
help him out. Who he call up Anthony Pelicanno, private
1589
01:41:10.840 --> 01:41:13.439
investigated to the stars, tough guy Anthony Pelicano a now
1590
01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:17.640
serving time in prison for possession of wire tapping equipment.
1591
01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:21.279
By the way, he has encrypted wire tapping conversations that
1592
01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:23.319
no one's been able to unencrypt, no one's able to
1593
01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:25.960
break the code and see what's on those thousands of
1594
01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:28.600
hours because he had a device where he had could
1595
01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:32.319
sit in his office and down somebody's phone and remotely
1596
01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:38.800
record their phone calls. Okay, like that, you know, wouldn't
1597
01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:39.960
you like to have that? You know, I got an
1598
01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:43.039
ext girlfriend, nothing like that, you want to check up on. Hey,
1599
01:41:43.239 --> 01:41:47.680
I got a couple of others anyway. Also, they found
1600
01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:50.079
him in some c four explosives, a hand grenade. You know,
1601
01:41:50.119 --> 01:41:54.159
he was involved in the threats wire tapping. He's in prison.
1602
01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:59.319
So Tom Sinson has a problem death in his party.
1603
01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:03.800
Doesn't call the police. What does he call it? Calls
1604
01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:07.640
Anti Pelicano And this is admitted. Anti Pelicanna helped clean
1605
01:42:07.720 --> 01:42:11.600
up the crime scene. They disposed of drugs and narcotics
1606
01:42:11.600 --> 01:42:19.159
and you know, unpleasant, unpleasant items, unmentionables that they did
1607
01:42:19.159 --> 01:42:21.680
not want prying eyes to see. But what I find
1608
01:42:21.720 --> 01:42:23.880
even more fascinating than that is who was the first
1609
01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:29.439
responding officers to that crime scene, Mark Furman? So Anti
1610
01:42:29.479 --> 01:42:31.840
Pelicano did not pick up his cell phone back in
1611
01:42:31.880 --> 01:42:34.760
the eighties, expensive cell phone. I'm sure Anthony Pelicanno had
1612
01:42:34.760 --> 01:42:36.960
one and call up nine to one one. He did
1613
01:42:37.000 --> 01:42:39.920
not down nine one one, No, he doubts some other number,
1614
01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:42.920
possibly Mark Furman's phone number, his cell phone number. He
1615
01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:45.520
had a cell phone's walking around one right. But we
1616
01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:47.720
know that Anti Pelicano did not call nine one one
1617
01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:49.520
because there was not a nine one one call and
1618
01:42:49.560 --> 01:42:51.840
there was not a nine to one to one police dispatched.
1619
01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:54.960
They were not officers, uniformed officers in their patrol cars
1620
01:42:55.640 --> 01:42:59.199
arriving at the scenes. First officers to respond, you see
1621
01:42:59.359 --> 01:43:02.119
in the police portrrider I was a first officer to respond,
1622
01:43:02.600 --> 01:43:06.199
Officer Kaplin five four one two two, first officer on
1623
01:43:06.199 --> 01:43:06.680
the scene.
1624
01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:08.520
Right.
1625
01:43:09.479 --> 01:43:11.640
No, not in this case. The first officer to respond
1626
01:43:11.800 --> 01:43:17.119
was a detective in the Robbery Homicide Unit O case
1627
01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:21.239
shows up after the becalled by his buddy and later
1628
01:43:21.279 --> 01:43:24.800
on by his He was a client of Anti Pelicanol.
1629
01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:26.880
That came out in the O. J. Simpsons trial that
1630
01:43:27.439 --> 01:43:30.359
Mark Furman was a client of Anti Pelicano, so they
1631
01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:33.720
had a prior relationship. They were some kind of association
1632
01:43:34.520 --> 01:43:40.920
and somehow crime scene evidence got covered up, disposed of
1633
01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:44.920
and there was no charges filed. And whatever happened with
1634
01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:47.960
that death is a mystery. Don Simpson I think died
1635
01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:50.199
of natural causes. Later on, who knows, maybe they weren't
1636
01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:52.600
natural causes, But everything that goes on in Hollywood, who
1637
01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:55.399
knows exactly what went on? Down there also too. He
1638
01:43:55.479 --> 01:43:58.640
was talking about how the medical examiner that is the
1639
01:43:59.039 --> 01:44:00.720
choking point. That's the where I was looking for. The
1640
01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:05.239
choke point where if you got corrupt politicians and corrupt
1641
01:44:05.239 --> 01:44:08.680
people in power, uh, and they're often people. If you've
1642
01:44:08.680 --> 01:44:11.680
got that medical examiner and the pathologists, you got them
1643
01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:13.520
in your pocket that they can say the cause of
1644
01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:17.479
death was a suicide. You know, half the game is one.
1645
01:44:18.000 --> 01:44:20.800
Half the game is one. Right there, We'll be right
1646
01:44:20.840 --> 01:44:25.119
back after these messages with more of the Opperman report.
1647
01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:28.199
I want to thank our guest Tony Bennett. I should
1648
01:44:28.199 --> 01:44:29.880
have learned some Tony Bennett songs that could have sung
1649
01:44:29.960 --> 01:44:36.640
side Oh, summer shouted evening. I all learned something. Ah,
1650
01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:40.319
I could even bother Tony Bennett. Not all white. And
1651
01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:43.439
that's about a W I G H T. Not a
1652
01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:48.560
white getting away with murder, uncovering us. Stuart Lubbock was
1653
01:44:48.640 --> 01:44:55.000
killed at Michael Montcott. It's Michael Montcamber right.
1654
01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:04.079
We all have questions, did he do it or did
1655
01:45:04.079 --> 01:45:07.640
he not? We all have opinions, but do we really
1656
01:45:07.960 --> 01:45:11.359
know the truth. New evidence will now be presented and
1657
01:45:11.399 --> 01:45:15.000
the ultimate answers will be revealed in the explosive documentary
1658
01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:20.359
Serpents Rising, inspired by the bestseller Double Cross for Blood
1659
01:45:20.640 --> 01:45:24.479
and independent investigation of the trial of the Century, the lies,
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the myths and the concealed evidence.
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when we do eat them. Thank God for Life Change
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writing and distribution, and much much more. They offer website development,
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for one hour that I just do a live monologue.
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He's an excellent musician. And I also want to thank
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William Ramsey who helps us produce the show and book guests.
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You can find William Ramsey, who's an excellent author at
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William Ramsey Investigates on YouTube. Welcome back to the Operaman Report.
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I'm your host, Private investigator Ed Opperman. Hey, don't forget.
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You can go to email reveal dot com get a
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copy of my book How to Become a Successful Private
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Investigator taping later on with Mike Parsiali, a huge favorite
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01:48:53.960 --> 01:48:57.520
on the show. Always get a lot of downloads and
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YouTube views and iTunes downloads and all that kind of stuff.
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Speaker views. When we have Mike Parsey Ally on the
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show from MJ Victims dot com. A fascinating guy, a
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01:49:10.159 --> 01:49:12.199
lot of information on the Michael Jackson case, but also
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01:49:12.199 --> 01:49:15.199
to the Corey Fellman thing and Scott he Schwartz.
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01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:16.199
He's into all this stuff.
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01:49:16.199 --> 01:49:18.880
He gets really involved, you know, and starts himself into
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01:49:18.880 --> 01:49:20.159
all this Stuff'm gonna be talking about a bunch of
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01:49:20.199 --> 01:49:23.800
topics Hollywood, tell fish you know. Just last night, as
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01:49:23.800 --> 01:49:27.960
I'm taping the show, Corey Fellman was attacked by a
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01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:31.359
sharp object. He was sitting in his car, and he
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01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:33.199
says three men came up while he was in his
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01:49:33.279 --> 01:49:35.920
car with his bodyguards. But three men came up into
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01:49:35.960 --> 01:49:39.000
the car, opened up the door and started stabbing him
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01:49:39.039 --> 01:49:41.600
with an object. And it's being investigated, according to Corey Felman,
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01:49:41.640 --> 01:49:44.920
for attempted murder. So are we talking to Mike Prasey
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01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:50.560
ally about that big favorite of the show. Also, I
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01:49:50.640 --> 01:49:55.840
will be tomorrow sad A Thursday, Thursday, I will be
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01:49:56.399 --> 01:50:01.520
Live with Wayne Madison. Wayne Madison, you might recall the name,
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01:50:01.640 --> 01:50:07.520
a well known alternative media investigative reporter and researcher has
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01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:13.520
been doing some research and some work into the Trump
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01:50:13.560 --> 01:50:18.640
Epstein lawsuit where Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein were co defendants,
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01:50:18.640 --> 01:50:21.960
and a lawsuit by Katie Doe was suing him for
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01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:24.359
a rape and being molested when she was thirteen years old,
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01:50:24.640 --> 01:50:26.920
and she had a witness, Tiffany Doe, her friend who
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01:50:27.279 --> 01:50:29.800
she confided to at the time, and they mentioned a
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01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:34.520
third party named Maria, who was Trump threatened him and says,
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01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:36.079
if you don't keep him out, shut the same thing
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01:50:36.119 --> 01:50:38.239
that happened and Marie is gonna happen to you. So
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01:50:38.439 --> 01:50:40.720
they believe Wayne Masson believes that his friend and he
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01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:45.279
has a trackdown the real Maria and they've connected it
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01:50:45.319 --> 01:50:48.000
to a missing Maria in a New Jersey and there's
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01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:51.680
some kind of the farious activities with the mayor down there.
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01:50:52.039 --> 01:50:54.079
So we're gonna have him on the show to explain
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01:50:54.600 --> 01:50:56.479
his research there and see what he's come up with.
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01:50:57.279 --> 01:50:59.960
I'd be very interested to hear that for obvious reasons.
1756
01:51:01.119 --> 01:51:03.560
Back to our guest today, Anthony Bennett, not a white
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01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:07.079
getting away with the murder uncovering how Stuart Lebrick was killed.
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01:51:07.439 --> 01:51:10.159
Stuart Lubbock, of course, you know, claimed to be found
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01:51:10.680 --> 01:51:14.199
drowning in a pool. Reminds me of the Drew Peterson
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01:51:14.239 --> 01:51:16.000
case and how when the police show up and a
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01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:20.359
find a body in a bathtub right away that they
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01:51:20.399 --> 01:51:23.079
make the assumption that it's a suicide or an accidental
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01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:25.119
drowning in a tub. You know, a slip titch your head,
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01:51:25.159 --> 01:51:27.199
you know, fell asleep and drinking wine. You know, he
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01:51:27.279 --> 01:51:29.279
fall asleep in the tub, all those kinds of things,
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01:51:29.279 --> 01:51:34.960
and they immediately classify it as not a homicide. Or
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01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:39.880
Drew Peterson, who was a police detective himself, would have
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01:51:39.920 --> 01:51:41.720
experience and knowledge of this kind of thing. Good way
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01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:44.880
to stage a murder scene. Also too, I believe that
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01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:48.399
one of the Jackson brothers with Jackson five had a
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01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:50.760
wife or an ex wife that was found drowning in
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01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:53.079
a pool. And I think Jerry Lee Lewis had a couple.
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01:51:53.399 --> 01:51:56.039
Idn't quote me on that, but I know there was
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01:51:56.119 --> 01:52:00.520
some famous rock musician, a notorious one, and they called
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01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:02.359
him the killer. He might be the one. I had
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01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:04.560
a couple of x Y's found drowning on a pool.
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01:52:04.880 --> 01:52:05.079
O J.
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01:52:05.199 --> 01:52:08.239
Simpsons lost a child too to a pool drowning and
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01:52:08.279 --> 01:52:10.119
hardly ever talked about too. And you know I also
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01:52:10.199 --> 01:52:11.960
coincidence with this case too as well as O J.
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01:52:12.079 --> 01:52:14.119
Simpson's father was a female in person, he had a
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01:52:14.159 --> 01:52:18.560
lot of people don't know they died of AIDS in
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01:52:18.600 --> 01:52:23.199
San Francisco. Again, another aspect of the OJ case doesn't
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01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:28.319
get much publicity. I think it's interesting I put out
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01:52:28.359 --> 01:52:33.720
a an urgent plea this week. I hate to talk
1786
01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:37.319
about this kind of stuff. It's so distressing and humiliating.
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01:52:37.359 --> 01:52:39.439
Then people can plain as you always BEGGINGIM for money
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01:52:39.520 --> 01:52:42.359
and I really don't. Only when we have emergencies. And
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01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:48.640
I put out a recording on Wednesday morning on the
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01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:51.880
twenty eighth, because we have this bill coming up with
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the Spreaker, and if we lose Spreaker, we lose iHeart
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and iTunes and YouTube. And if you listen to the
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show on either iHeart or iTunes or YouTube, this may
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01:53:01.119 --> 01:53:03.920
be the last broadcast you hear because we may not
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01:53:03.960 --> 01:53:07.840
be able to keep that up and running, uh without
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01:53:08.319 --> 01:53:10.840
either a new sponsor. We get our a nice sponsor,
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01:53:10.840 --> 01:53:13.039
We're gonna keep us going for another few months or
1798
01:53:13.119 --> 01:53:14.880
some donations, you know, if you want to, if you
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01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:16.640
enjoy the show and you want to donate money, that
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would be a big help. And you can contact me
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either way at Opperman Report at gmail dot com and
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01:53:23.079 --> 01:53:25.079
or you can go to the Opperman Report website. There's
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01:53:25.119 --> 01:53:28.439
a donate page on there. We could donate, uh to
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01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:30.479
keep you know, keep us up and running until we
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01:53:30.520 --> 01:53:33.720
get more sponsors and show grows, we can get bigger guests.
1806
01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:35.399
You know who I have booked I'm gonna be taping
1807
01:53:35.439 --> 01:53:40.840
with next week. Uh Uh Danny Bonaducci's ex wife, Gretchen Bonaducci,
1808
01:53:41.439 --> 01:53:43.239
and my ex girlfriend actually went to high school with
1809
01:53:43.319 --> 01:53:46.079
Danny Bonaducci, so I have some questions that may be
1810
01:53:46.159 --> 01:53:47.960
a couple of curveballs for him, but we're gonna be
1811
01:53:47.960 --> 01:53:50.199
throwing that out there. I'm looking forward to that. To
1812
01:53:50.279 --> 01:53:53.079
Gretchen Bonaducie, I think that's a good a good get,
1813
01:53:53.239 --> 01:53:58.159
as they say in the business. I think that's just
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01:53:58.199 --> 01:54:00.479
about everything I wanted to cover U. So thank you
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01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:04.279
so much, and thank you for for listening in today
1816
01:54:04.319 --> 01:54:10.079
with the Anthony Bennett not o'white And now a word
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from our sponsors.
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Hi, folks. Ronnie here from Life Change Tea. There's a
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lot of hubbub about the ramifications of GMOs. First of all,
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01:54:17.520 --> 01:54:23.279
what are GMOs genetically modified organisms? Yee, man made organisms
1821
01:54:23.279 --> 01:54:26.840
inering our body, changing and damaging us from the inside out.
1822
01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:27.840
What's our defense?
1823
01:54:28.119 --> 01:54:31.319
First of all not eating them, second, cleansing from them
1824
01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:34.279
when we do eat them. Thank God for Life Change
1825
01:54:34.319 --> 01:54:37.079
Tea at get the Tea dot com. Life Change Tea
1826
01:54:37.119 --> 01:54:40.840
cleanses from toxins, heavy metals and helps flush GMOs out
1827
01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:43.560
of your body. Our unique blend of herbs help cleanse
1828
01:54:43.600 --> 01:54:47.239
you from the inside out, helping you feel refreshed and
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01:54:47.319 --> 01:54:51.479
clean of ye. We also carry unique one of the
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kind supplements, So order online at getthtea dot com. That's
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get the tea dot com. Rate yourself of the ye
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that contaminates your food and water. Go to gettht dot com.
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That's gettht dot com. Get the t your best defense.
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The Opperaman Report is brought to you by subash Technosis
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service to boot. They offer all kinds of services, business
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process outsourcing, data entry, banking, BPO services, recruitment, process outsourcing,
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software testing, offshore research, networking, customer care, press release, content
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01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:42.159
writing and distribution, and much much more. They offer website development,
1842
01:55:42.439 --> 01:55:47.640
e commerce solutions, mobile responsive designs now. I've personally worked
1843
01:55:47.640 --> 01:55:50.159
with Subash for over ten years. This is the man
1844
01:55:50.199 --> 01:55:52.680
that puts out my press releases. They've done work on
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01:55:52.720 --> 01:55:56.920
my websites, so I can personally recommend subash Technosis dot com.
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You can find a link to Subash Technosis at Opera
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report dot com and also Awake Radio dot us. Welcome
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to our new sponsor. You can have your ad played
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And on Friday nights too, we do a live portion
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for one hour that I just do a live monologue.
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The ads are very, very inexpensive, and they're also played
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can find all kinds of exclusive content that you won't
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find anywhere else. It's as cheap as six dollars a month,
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twenty dollars a quarter, or seventy five dollars for a year.
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If you contact me directly at Opperman Report at gmail
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dot com, I'll set you up with a little special
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deal there when you get a discount if you paypound
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me directly and you can get a copy of my book.
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I want to thank Sean Duff from Strowmanmusic dot com.
1863
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He's an excellent musician. And I also want to thank
1864
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William Ramsey who helps us produce the show and book.
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Guests.
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You can find William Ramsey who's an excellent author at
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William Ramsey Investigates on YouTube.
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We all have quote questions, did he do it or
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did he not? We all have opinions, but do we
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really know the truth? New evidence will now be presented
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and the ultimate answers will be revealed in the explosive
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an independent investigation of the trial of the century, the live,
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the myths, and the concealed evidence.
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Don't miss Serpents and Rising.
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really good. Oh boy, we got some kind of show today. Man,
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Tony Bennett, not to Tony Bennett singer. This is Tony Bennett,
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a solicitor, is an attorney in the UK, and he's
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written this book Not All White, Getting Away with Murder,
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uncovering how Stuart Lubbock was killed a fascinating story that's
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really really big over there in the UK, and not
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that big over here because it's involved some celebrities and
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stuff in there. Mister Bennett, are you there, Yes, good evening.
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Thank you so much for coming on the show. Can
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you tell the audience who is Tony Bennett.
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Well, I'm seventy years old, so I'm retired now. Just
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a brief run through my career. I trained as a
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social worker after going to university, and I practiced in
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childcare and mental welfare work. I then graduated to doing
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what's called in England welfare rights advocacy, that is advocacy
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on behalf of poor off people, making sure they claimed
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all their entitlements. I then graduated, I qualified as an
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attorney and practiced as an attorney during the nineteen nineties.
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I was then offered a very interesting political job working
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for the UK Independence Party, which was set up in
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the nineteen nineties to campaign for Brexit. If you've heard
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the word sure, I was in at the start. Twenty
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years ago. I recognized that this country needed to be independent.
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I joined the UK in Dependence Party, working for its
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Then we only had one member of the European Parliament
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and he employed me as his political secretary. So I
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spent the next decade furiously campaigning to try and get
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us out of the European Union, and following that I
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reached retirement age. But this case came across me for
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reasons which I'll explained this to at lumber case. And
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since that case came across my desk, the last twelve years,
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most of my time has been spent on investigating cases
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of broadly speaking, injustice and police corruption.
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Very good the book. You have a couple of titles
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for this book, Is this the one you want to promote?
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The not all White? Getting Away with a Murder?
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Well, it's called not a White because the person where
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this terrible incident occurred, Michael Barrymore, had a catchphrase which
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was all white now, in other words, all right now.
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It was a catchphrase he used on his very popular
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television programs, And so we borrowed that phrase and say no,
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not a white because what he did and what he
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covered up was certainly not all right. And the subtitle
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of the book was getting away with Murder?
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Well, gives an idea, who was this Michael Barrymore? Because
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I haven't heard of him over here?
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Well, I knew you were going to ask me that question,
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and I think the way I would put it is
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this that he would be roughly comparable in celebrity status
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to your Oprah Winfrey over in America. Now, Oprah Winfrey
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is a TV host and an interviewer, whereas Michael Barrymore
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was more of a comic and entertainer. But if I
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tell you that his most popular TV programs, Strike It Lucky,
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was viewed by up to seventeen million people every night here. Now,
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we have a population of about sixty six million in
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this country, so that is more than one in four
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watching his shows every night. Now, I think you've got
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about three hundred million in your country, so it's a
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bit like seventy five million over there writing a program.
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He was that famous, And somebody said he was an
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induststry because at the time of the highlight of his powers,
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before this this very tragic incident, he was employing possibly
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two hundred and fifty people all to promote him. So
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he was really like a small scale industry in his
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own right.
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What about his wealth? Did he have the kind of
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wealth that Oprah Winfy has because she's a billionaire?
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No, No, I don't know. He never he never reached
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that kind of wealth. Now I think he spent a
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lot of money. Okay, No, he's rich enough to own
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two or three homes. And the place where this incident
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happened was what we call a mansion over here. It
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was a very palacial property, you know, which would have
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cost at the time two or three million pounds. So
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you know, he wasn't short of money, but his income
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was huge.
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So can you summarize the case for us in this
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whole love it, Stewart, love it?
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Yes, Perhaps before before we go, I should just go
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back to my personal life. I should explain that. I
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should have explained I married two children, four grandchildren, and
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Michael Barrymore was also married, but sadly that marriage collapsed
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and he became a homosexual, and that was again a
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major event in the life of the nation. If you
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can imagine Oprah Winfrey making some startling announcement, this is similar.
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The fact that he was the most popular entertainer here
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and then became gay was huge news for ages. But
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anyway to go to the incident, then the two main
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people involved were Michael or who at the time was
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in his fifties. I believe, and a young man called
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Stuart Lubbock. Now Harlow, where I was living at the time,
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is a working class town, and he was an ordinary
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working man at the time of the incident, aged thirty
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three and working in a meat packing factory, a bacon factory.
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Was actually, and again quite an ordinary family. He had
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an older brother. Unfortunately his parents were divorced. But he
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was a young lad who enjoyed a bit of partying
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and drinking, that kind of thing. Nothing out of the ordinary,
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steady job. And I suppose I ought to run on
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explain then how the incident took place? Shall I go
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on to do that?
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Well, I'm curious because you co wrote the book with
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Terry Lubbock. Is Terry Lubbock is your father or brother?
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Sorry? Tory Lovebck is Stuart's father father?
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Okay? And Barrymore? How old is Barrymore?
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Well, now he will be late sixties, oh.
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Your late sixties at the time, he's about late fifties.
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Yees, mid fifties, late fifties.
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Yeah, and you said that Lubbock was in his thirties
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thirty three. Now Lubbock, was he openly homosexual? Or is
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there question?
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No? No, there's no evidence or no insinuation that he
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was homosexual, none at all. In fact, he didn't marry
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and unfortunately that didn't work out and his wife left
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him and they got divorced. But no, he was no
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evidence that he was gay ass all though.
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Okay, I just didn't then describe the incident, what happened.
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There, well, Michael Barrymore, just my way of background, he
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at the time of this incident, he was in an
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intense relationship with an with a gay lover called Kenny,
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Jonathan Kenny, which is quite an important part of the story.
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And Jonathan Kenny is a drag queen in the northern
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part of England with a record of violence, and for
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some reason Michael Barrymore and he got together and were
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very much partners at the time of this incident. And
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on the night in question, this was a Friday night,
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Michael Barrymore and his lover set off for a nightclub
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in Harlow called the Millennium Nightclub, and so did Stuart
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Lubbock and his brother Kevin, So they didn't know each
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other before, but they set off at this nightclub and
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Stuart had onto drinks, his brother had one two drinks
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and during the evening, Stuart Lubbock was introduced to Michael Barrymore,
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as were a number of people. If you can picture
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the scene, Michael Barrymore was in a corner of the
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nightclub talking to some of his friends, one or two
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security people around, that kind of thing, and one or
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two other people came up and said hello, shook his hand,
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that kind of thing. Now, during the early hours of
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the morning, between about twelve o'clock and two o'clock, Michael
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Barrymore invited four people I think around his flat that
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he invited two girls in their twenties, and he invited
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Stuart Lubbock. And he also invited another couple from Harlow
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called Kylie Merritt and Justin Merritt, and they become a
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very important part of the story. I'm pretty sure that
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Michael Barrymore knew the Merits, the two Merits, Justin Merritt
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and kind of it brother and sister. So what about
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one circumstance or another, All of them found their way
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back in taxis to Michael Barrymore's house by about three
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o'clock in the morning. Uh. One of the one other
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and need I need to mention is that It's quite
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clear from various accountsies that Michael Barre and his lover
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were on bad terms that evening and a furious I
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think that may have been a contributory factor.
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Made an interactive for a second. I think the lot.
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Michael barnl Yeah, I.
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Mentioned that he had a violent pass. Can you describe that.
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He's got He's got some kind of record violence that
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haven't got the details, but he has got a record
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of violent incidents up in up in the north of England.
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So that's that's really all we know. I don't know
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the details of the dates. But there were assorts, I believe,
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and these were arrests.
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He was arrested for these.
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Assaults I believe. I believe he was, and I believe
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he was convicted, but I can't be one hundred percent
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certain about that. So I don't want to be quoted
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on that. It was part of his reputation anyway. So
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what do you got the party by now is you've
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got Michael Bayrmore and eight guests, two of whom he
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already knew. And then amongst us, I should say amongst
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those two, amongst those eight people were two other gay
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people from the village. Who knocked on his door about
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three o'clock in the evening and asked if they could
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join the party as well. So Michael Barymore, six people
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came along from the Millionaium nightclub, and then the two
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local gay lads in their twenties they came along. So
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there was eight people plus Michael Barrymore.
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At the party, and everyone was homosexual except for Stuart.
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Love It and the two girls.
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And the two girls with two women as well.
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Yeah, two young women can belong. But you're quite right,
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You're absolutely right. The all the males there, all the
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males there were homosexual, yes, apart from Stuart Lobb who wasn't.
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And perhaps I ought to add as part of the
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story that and I'm sorry some of these the details
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are a little bit unpleasant to talk about. But what
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we do know from the record that when Michael Barrymore
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got into his cab, this taxi to go back home,
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he said, in a loud voice to the taxi driver
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I could do as a fuck. Made it quite clear
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that he was very much up for sexual activity. So
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that's on the record. That was that came out in
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the court case.
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But anyway, mister Bennett, in the future, try and leave
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at the obscenities because this will air on AM radio
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on the airways.
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I didn't want to say it at all. I really
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didn't want to say it, but I mean, that is
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on the record, but I'll be careful. But anyway, what
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what we what we knew when the case was reported
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in the papers the next morning was that a young
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We were told that a young man had been found
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drowning in Michael Bawn was poor and he was dead.
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Obviously he was dead by the time he got to hospital.
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In fact that I can tell you if he was
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dead well before that. In fact, he was dead before
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the ambulance was called. We could be quite certain about that.
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But the story that broke was that he had been
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swimming in this swimming pool and somehow got downed. And
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that was the story that was put out at the time,
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and that has that story has stuck ever since. So
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whenever this case is in the news, which it has
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been on and off for years, and it's been in
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the news in the last year for other reasons, it's
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always spoken is the boy who died in the pool
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or the boy who was found in the pool. And
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if I can come head to the main the main
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case I make in the book is I am sure,
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on the basis of studying the case in depth, that
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he was never in that swimming pool. And really my investigations,
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which took a year or so at the time, really
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effectively proved that he was never in that swimming pool.
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Looking sorry.
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In other words, the idea that he drowned was the
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cover story hastily arranged to cover a brutal murder. And sorry,
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I've not really I'll come straight to this point as well.
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It's quite clear that he was brutally raped. We don't
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know by how many people, but the conclusions of the
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pathologies said were that he had been severely sexually assorted
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and that that was a likely cause of death.
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Well, what about like here in the States, we could
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take DNA samples, there would be semen, would be able
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to tell there was a semen from multiple assaulters. You don't
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have that, or there.
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We have all of that. We have all of that,
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and this case was badly handled from the outset. And
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if I could move on to other matters we might
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come to We have in England a system of being
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able to make a complaint to something called the Independent
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Complaints Commission, which investigates complaints against police officers. And when
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I got on the case many years later, it was
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quite plain, absolutely obvious that the police that done anything
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but a thorough job on the case. And the I
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mean the way that the case was handled by the
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police was really almost designed not to get to the evidence.
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The police immediately declared that this was a tragic accident,
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and I mean, none of those things that you've mentioned
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were done, and several other things were not done either.
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I don't know if you want me to go into
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those now, but there were a number of things simply
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not done.
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We're about to come to a break, so we can
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probably get to that when we get back. But now,
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when the police first arrived and they immediately assumed it
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was an accidental drowning, he was as summing in a
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drownd like, what was the temperature out there? Like, would
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it be likely that he because it sounds it was
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apri or first it had to be cool, the middle
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of the night had to be colled. Why did they
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what was the temperature that night? Do we know?
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I mean when the ambulance were called it it was
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about quarter to six. Yeah, and the temperature at that
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time of night. Was seven degrees center code or was
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you would have it over there? I think forty three
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degrees faite, so pretty cold the first of April. Pretty
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cold night. I need to go back now perhaps and
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just give you a little bit of background about the
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swimming pool itself. The swimming pool was new, relatively new. Now.
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It had been closed for the entire winter, all right,
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So it hasn't been used September, October, November, December, January, February, March,
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never been opened, ye, and it would have been virtually
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freezing cold if you can imagine, you know, it's the
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pool has had to survive the winter. And the argument
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of the people who cover this up and who killed
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Stuart love It was that the pool had been opened
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up during the early morning, and that it had been
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heated up, and that Stuart Lubbock jumped in and had
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a whale of a time splashing around in this water.
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But here we come to one of the great mistress
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of the case, because we had various stories about when
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the pool was opened. And I can be certain, as
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as certain as I can, that the pool cover and
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the heating did not take place until after Stuart was
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found dead as a result of the sexual assault. So
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the the the Although the although Michael Barrymore and its
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insisted that he had opened the pool cover early, the
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only thing that makes sense of this whole case is
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that the pool cover was opened afterwards. And here we
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come to one of the major major police mistakes in
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this case, and I would suggest it's a deliberate mistake.
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They are allowed Michael Michael Barrymore's manager to take the
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temperature of the poor. Now, when this incident took place,
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Michael Barrymore's manager was called to the scene before the
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ambulance were called. Michael Barrymore's manager was called Michael Brown,
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and he arrived before the ambulance were called before the
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police arrived, if you can, if you can understand that,
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and when the police arrived. Incidentally, one of the elements
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of the story is that before the ambulance came, Michael
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Barrymore did a runner down into the village to hide.
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There's another part of the story. But the the police
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were not able to get there before the manager, Michael
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Michael Brown. But when the police did arrive, they delegated
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Michael Barrymore's manager, Mike Brown, to take the pool temperature.
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Using his equipment or the police.
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Using his equipment using using a pool thermometer that was
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by the pool, and so they allowed him, yes, to
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use their own equipment to take their own temperature. Now,
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the temperature of the pool was recorded as by Michael Barriers,
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Moore's manager as twenty eight point three degrees syntigrade, which
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is about eighty to two fairy nigh, which would seem
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relatively normal for the swim pool. But it almost certainly
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could never have got to that temperature from freezing, you know,
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within within two or three hours. It's impossible for it
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arisen to that temperature.
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Mister b let's have to take a commercial rate.
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No, there's no way evidentially that the police should have
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allowed Michael Birable was manager to take the temperature.
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Yeah, obviously not. That's an absolute crimes contamination. We have
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Tony Bennett from the UK, former solicitor, author of the
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Stuart Lobbock was killed. Now, before we left for the
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break there you were saying that how did you come
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to the conclusion that the pool was not uncovered.
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Right, can I if you don't mind, let me get
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back to that, because we were on the point specifically
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of the police conduct, and I just wanted to sweep
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up matters regarding the police involvement. First. First of all,
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as we know, the handle of the all important examination
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of the pool temperature to Michael Barrymore's manager, and I'm
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sure you would appreciate it. Most of your listeners would
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understand that that's completely a contrary to normal police procedure
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and one wouldn't place any reliance on the temperature he
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came up with. Secondly, that the actual pool thermometer that
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was used was never recovered by the police. And that
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leads me on to a third point, which is almost
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unbelievable that after the police had visited the scene and
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taken very short statements, they did not secure the scene,
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but they left Michael Barrymore's manager in charge of a
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scene of crime. It's almost unbelievable to think that that
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could have happened. That I think he might be beginning
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to see that there might have been a pattern of
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a deliberate incompetence. This brought to this case and in
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fact later on I did bring an action against the
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Ssex Police to the Independent Police Conveytors Commission and they
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did that pole all complaints about the disconduct there, so
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they were criticized. But to go back to your question,
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I think you were asking me to explain really what
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happened and why I why I think what what has
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happened is that? Right? Yeah, Well, let me then go
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go back to what we know for certain about what
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took place that evening and what we don't know for certain.
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By the time we get to about four plock, all
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of the witnesses give a reason clearly a picture of
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what happened that they're right about us. They music was going,
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where drinks were supplied. We we also know that illegal
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drives top played as well. That's admitted on the record.
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Vocaine used there was carbis freely used that evening, which
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were both class as class abugs in the United Kingdom.
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That is there are at the top of the range
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and completely illegal to possess or supply them. And also
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another drug used that evening was so called amil knight race,
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which is used to promote sexual excitement. That's one of
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his main purposes. We know that at about three thirty
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three men went to a warn kouzie just outside on
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the patio, and we know that Jonathan Kenny was there,
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Michael Bowen was lover and Justin Merrit and Stuart Lubbock,
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and those three went into jacuzzi voluntarily. They will ended
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with drinks by kindly the youngster, and they were apparently
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a ration time in degree, and that's where the witness
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evidence after that all goes to pieces. To that point
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and those three men being in the takuzozie, everything seems
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to be quite normal. There's no contradictions between the witnesses.
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Everything seems perfectly normal.
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And that's around four a m.
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That's four o'clock roughly.
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Now.
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We then come an hour and three quarter later to
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five forty six when the ambulance is called, and that
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period of time one and three quarter hours is completely
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unaccounted for. The witnesses give a whole variety of contradictory stories,
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none of which really make any sense at all. And
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at five point forty six the ambulance was called. And
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again if you can picture the scene, when the ambulance
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people arrived, they find that Stuart Stuart Lubbock's body laid
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out on the side of the swimming pool just with
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a pair of shorts on, and the witnesses say that
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they have just recovered him from the pool. So that's
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the scene we have at five forty six. So at
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four o'clock we have the three men, one of them
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are homosexual, the other two probably not enjoying themselves on
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the checuzine one of Three quarter hours later we have
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the ambulance cord. Now what one has to do is
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to work out what happened in that hour and three quarters. Now,
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what we do know from the pathology evidence, and I
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haven't gotten into that in detail now, but altogether five
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pathologists were involved in this case, and all five agreed
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that he had suffered a serious sexual assault during the
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aar and three quarters. That's unanimous. Some of them said
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it was it must have been so serious that it
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killed him. And without being too graphic, all I can
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say is not wishing to to be too detail, but
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the the the injuries to the injuries to his anus
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were absolutely horrific, and I don't need to go into detail.
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They're really horrific.
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Can I answer a couple questions?
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One is yeah, of course, yeah, what were they wearing
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when they were in the jacuzi? What were they wearing?
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They didn't bring bathing trusts.
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Yeah, trunks, trunks that the Michael Barrymore said that he
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provided them all with trunks and towels. Trunks.
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Now, the distance between the jacuzzie and the pool, was
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it within I.
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Say yes, yes, they were close together.
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Yeah, okay, And then you were saying that there was
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a five of coroner's in quest said that the fire
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pathologist said that it was the cause of death was
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due to this brutal anal rapist.
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Right, okay, Well, if we if we move onto the
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pathology reports, we're moving onto a different subject. If I
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can just deal with them missing Aron three quarters, and
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then I'll gladly come on to the pathologist. But nobody
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could account for the missing Aron three quarters. Now, all
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the witnesses except the girls, I'm sure, must have known
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what happened to Stuart, all the other seven, but none
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of them claimed to know anything about it. They said
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they didn't know how these sexual injuries happened. If if
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you can imagine it, none none of those seven had
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any idea. They all at the inquest said no idea
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how it's happened, couldn't have happened, and so on, and
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they and they invented this story of how Stuart Lubbott
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was swimming in the swimming pool. The only the only
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two witnesses who were reasonably honest with the two girl
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girls who appeared to have been shunted away to a
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back room somewhere while the cover up was going on.
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And they they made very short statements saying that they
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weren't aware of anything that happened, although one of them
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did say that she was aware that she heard the
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men talking about a rape. So she told us that
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shall I go on to go run through the pathology evidence,
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because that's quite interesting.
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Actually, my next question was what was the cause of death?
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Was it drowning or some kind of other show?
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Right, this is one of the major major reasons why
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I've been involved in the case again recently because the
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inquest verdict was an open verdict. I don't know if
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you have such a verdict over in America, but an
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open verdict is essentially a way of the colin is
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saying that she can't say what the cause of death was.
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Open verdict tells you nothing, really nothing at all.
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We do have inconclusive, we would have to see yeah,
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well okay.
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Yeah inconclusive then yeah, that's right. The reason, the reason
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why an open verdict was given by the coin and
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was really because the whole case was mudded by the
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claim that he'd been in the swimming pool. So all
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the pathologists were told us a fat ed that he
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had been in the swimming pool that night, so they
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would presented that as an absolute one hundred percent fact
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when I'm sure that it wasn't. And in fact, if
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we were to go through the pathologist report in detail,
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most of them are very very clear in saying that
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the actual autopsy results were not consistent with drowning. And
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if I can develop that a little bit further, one
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00:36:56.840 --> 00:37:03.280
of the crucial evidences was a pattern of what are
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called PETITCHII on the face and neck of Stuart Lubbock. Now,
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pidcii are tiny little blood spots which appear around the
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face and neck in particular when somebody is asphyxiated suffocated.
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So again, if you can imagine, see the doctors are
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told us a fact that he's been in the swimming pool,
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so they start off assuming that he's been drowned, but
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then a couple of the pathologists note these potitchii which
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were very clear. And again if you go to all
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the textbooks which I've had a chaft to look at,
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they will tell you that petitcii are a classic sign
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of asphyxiation. Now, two of the pathologists said that they
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thought that asphyxiation was the cause of death or a
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major cause of death. They neven had another pathologist who
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said that the I'm sorry, another two pathologists who said
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that the rape was so severe that that could have
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killed him alone. The severity of it could have should
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get a heart attack and killed him. Other doctors said
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it could be a combination of asphyxia and a heart attack.
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Only the original pathologist gave a verdict of drowning. And
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that's quite interesting as well, because the original pathologist was
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somebody called Dr Michael John Heath. Now he was a
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Home office pathologist, a registered Home office pathologist, which means
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one of the top pathologists authorized by the Home Office.
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And it's always been a mystery to us why he
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was called into this particular death. And I think you'll
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find that home office pathologists are called in where controversial
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deaths are involved, or celebrities that kind of thing. But
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you know, when I first took this case over in
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January two thousand and six, the very first thing I
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did was to, after I looked at the files, was
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to try and bring a private prosecution against Michael Byamore
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for various offenses committed at the party, mainly drugs offenses.
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Well, you know what, before we get to the private prosecution,
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which is a whole interesting because we don't have that here.
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We have civil litigation, we don't have private criminal prosecution. Yeah,
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I'd love to hear about that. But we're going to
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have a commercial break coming up now. But before we
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get to that, were there any indications of trauma to
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his neck or his nose, signs of ligatures around his
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neck or his mouth, anything like that.
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No, actually I can't recall any bruises or attack wounds
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or anything like that. No, there was a toxicology report
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which it said that he had consumed a certain amount
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of alcohol and a small amount of drugs as well,
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But there were no significant signs of him being held
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or gripped as far as I can remember. Nothing major anyway,
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nothing major. So the pathology signs were a serious sexual assault.
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Is his anus in ruins really in bits terrible and
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the fact that he'd been asphyxiated. Those are the two
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things that we know. But he was also found with
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water in his lungdeson in his body, which required explanation,
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so that was another feature again. The pathologists, despite finding
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water in the body, again largely ruled out drowning as
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cause of death. So the problem for the coroner in
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charge of inquest was with all these different opinions, you
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could argue that she had very little choice but to
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say an open verdict because she couldn't say which one
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of them was the actual cause of death. Was it
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the asphyxia or was it the rape?
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Now now the the anal trauma. What did they come
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to a conclusion Whether this was by use of a
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device or an instrument or.
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Yes, I can help you on that definitely. The A
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couple of the pathologists were experts, and they said that
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it must have been either excuse me, either a fist
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or an object as large as a fifth And again
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I'm sorry this is a little bit graphic, but I've
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got to say, is I think that the that the
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post mortem, the the aperture of his as was described
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as big as as an orange.
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Question, that's not drowning. Yeah, that's no drowning for sure. Okay,
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I'm your host, private investigator at Opperman We're here today
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with Tony Bennett, author of the book Not All White,
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Getting Away with Murder, uncovering how Stuart Lobbock was killed,
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the story about Michael Barrymore and his pool. Mister Bennett,
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you were talking about how over there in the UK
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you have something called a private prosecution and describe what
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that is.
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Right, Michael Barrymore undoubtedly committed criminal acts that evening, mainly
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drugs offenses, but he wasn't prosecuted for them. Now, we
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have a system in England where anybody can bring a
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private prosecution if they want to. If they think they've
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got evidence of a crime and the police does nothing
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about it, you can bring a private prosecution and that
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really was what triggered the massive publicity in the case.
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I did bring this private prosecution in January and it
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was at the published to that that the whole case
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took off in a big way, I should say, by
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the way that the judge in the case refused, for
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various reasons to go ahead with He did it to
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a dial. It didn't need to bring it so to prosed.
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But one of each of the cases that Michael barrymore
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were repeated the overhill career found with drugs in hotels everywhere.
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I think only once was he ever prosecuted. So I
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think perhaps what one can get here is a little
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bit of a bit of house Britain is protested from
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some of the crimes that admitted an aura of protection
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around some of them with where let's be honest, Michael
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Bamoor had how many friends of money and in fact
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one of his lovers was a police officer. So you
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know this perhaps for one reason or another makes the
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police resultant to prosecute. But I felt that he should
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be prosecuted. But that was that was how the case began.
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Stuart lob Stuart Lobbock's father lived in the same town
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as me, in Harlow. That was my interest in the case.
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When I heard about another event in the case, I
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just offered help and by the way, the event that
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triggered this was that Michael Barrymore was on the programer
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reality TV show called Celebrity Big Brother. I don't know
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if you're aware of that over in the.
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States, but well no, we have that here too. We
739
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have it here too.
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Yeah. Anyway, so it's a show where there's a Big
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Brother show, but there's also a Celebrity Big Brother where
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celebrities get together and live in a house for a week.
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And that was the attempt to revive Michael Barrymore's career.
744
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This incident about Stuart Lobber happened in two thousand and one.
745
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This attempt to revive Michael Barrymore's career was in early
746
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two thousand and six, and it was that event that
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prompted Stuart, Stuart Lobbock's father to contact me and ask
748
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for help because he just couldn't stand the idea that
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this man who was responsible for something terrible happening in
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his house was now his career was going to be revived.
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And I'm pleased to say that as a result of
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my investigations, he was arrested, I wrote my book, and
753
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as a result of that, his career never took off
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the ground again. So I regard that as a federal
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in my cap he didn't deserve to have his career revived,
756
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and it was really ruined by the year I spent
757
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on the case and writing the book.
758
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Well, well, let me ask you some questions about this
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private prosecution, because I'm fascinated.
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Sure.
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Now a couple of things. Now, have you ever done
762
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this before in another case?
763
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No, I haven't known.
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And you actually act as the prosecutor like you conduct
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your own investigation, you cross examined witnesses.
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Yes, yes, right. The way it goes about, any person
767
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in Britain is entitled to inform a magistrate that an
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offense has been committed and if the police haven't executed it,
769
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you can bring your own prosecution. And all I had
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to do was set out in a legal letter the particulars.
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So all you have to do is you have to
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set out the name of the defendant, where he lives,
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what the offenses are, what are the facts of the case.
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I mean he was he was found with drugs in
775
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the property, so he was and supplying to others, so
776
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there were clearly offenses there. And the next procedure is
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that the magistrate looks at the case and decides whether
778
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it can go forward, and in this case it didn't
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go forward. But there are cases of private prosecutions that
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do succeed in this country. In fact, one of the
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one of the most well. There are two very famous ones.
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One was the prosecution prosecution, a private prosecution taken out
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by the parents of somebody called Stephen Lawrence who was
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murdered in a racist murder in London in the nineteen
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nineteen eighties, I think, and the police didn't act for
786
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one reason or another, and the parents took the case
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to court. There was a similar case in Ireland, Northern Ireland,
788
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where again the authorities did not prosecute the perpetrators of
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the Omer bombing which killed thirty people, again sometime in
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the nineteen eighties. I think because the authorities didn't that
791
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some of the victims of the families of the victims
792
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got together, raised money with the help of some of
793
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the newspapers in this country, and they successfully bought a
794
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private prosecution. So yes, they do happen, but they're rare.
795
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We do have a similar process here where a civilian
796
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can file a complaint, make their own affidavit and complaint
797
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and just submitted directly to the prosecutor's office if the
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police aren't cooperating with them, and I've recommended that in
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the past. Now, why did Lubbock father contact you? How
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do you know about you?
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Right?
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I lived in the same town as him, in Harlow
803
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in Essex. And actually, funnily enough, because I lived in
804
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the same town, I'd followed this case for years. Anyway,
805
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every time it was national publicity, it was the top
806
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story in the local newspaper. And quite simply, when I
807
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think it was the first of January that year, there
808
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.400
was a big splash in the local paper saying that
809
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the father, Tory Lovett, was very angry that Michael Barrymore
810
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was being having his career revived on this program. So
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all I did simply was I wrote him a lesson
812
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and said, look, I've been a slister for a number
813
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of years. I followed the case. Do you want any
814
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:48.039
help with it? As simple as that, And he fined
815
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me up and said, look, yes, I want justice for
816
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my son. And so I spent the next eighteen months
817
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very much immersed in this case and trying to get
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results for him.
819
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Was you and Terry who wrote this book together.
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We did. Yeah, We wrote it while as all this
821
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was going on. We wrote most of the book before
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Michael Barrymore was arrested, because shortly before the book was published,
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it was serialized in one of the national newspapers over here,
824
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which attracted a great deal of attention. And following the
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publication of the serialization in the news of the world,
826
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the police arrested Michael Barrymore on suspicion of murder, arrested
827
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:37.119
Jonathan Kenny on suspicion of murder, and arrested Justin merrit
828
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:40.599
on suspicion of murder. And they spent thirty six hours
829
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under questioning by the police. But sadly, the police announced
830
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:47.079
at the end that they had insufficient evidence with which
831
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:52.480
to charge anybody, simply simply because of course nobody would
832
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:56.239
admit to anything. It was complete, complete, absolutely funny enough.
833
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At the inquest, the coroner described the witnesses coming at
834
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like a wall of silence. That was the It was
835
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a phrase that the corony is very often a wall
836
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of silence. The witnesses you tried to ask them about
837
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what happened between half past four and quarters to six
838
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:19.239
that evening, a wall of silence. They didn't know it,
839
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:24.159
had no idea what happened, and so you know, the
840
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:26.599
coroner was stuck with people who just wouldn't tell the truth.
841
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Of course, let.
842
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:30.800
Me ask you real quick, we're coming to the end
843
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:33.159
of the hour. Do you think there's enough content to
844
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:35.159
continue on beyond an hour or would you want to
845
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:37.000
sum it up in the next six minutes.
846
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:42.760
Well, we can continue a bit longer, really depending on
847
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:45.599
some of the things that we haven't covered. For example,
848
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:50.960
I would like to explain to the listeners the contradictions
849
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:52.920
about how Stewart was found in the pool, because that
850
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.719
was a crucial part of my investigations, and they all
851
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:57.920
came up with very different stories, and I would like
852
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:02.960
to perhaps tell you all list there is about those details,
853
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.320
because they really proved that they were all.
854
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.440
Lying absolutely they then take your time with that.
855
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:12.320
Go ahead, But before I do that, I will come
856
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.480
back to that. But we left one point, which is
857
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.159
about the first pathologist on the scene, which I wanted
858
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.519
to follow up because I was explaining that the first
859
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:25.400
pathologist on the scene was a high level, high ranking
860
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:28.599
pathologist called in by the Home Office. Now his name
861
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:32.840
was Dr Michael John Heath. Now, strange thing is on
862
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:37.559
the very day after I brought my private prosecution and
863
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:42.280
it was publicized, I think it was the tenth of January.
864
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.559
On the very next day, Dr John Heath Dr Michael
865
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:51.000
John Heath resigned as a Home Office pathologist. And what
866
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:55.039
I can tell you is that his resignation triggered a
867
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:59.239
whole spate of inquiries into his pathology reports. He probably
868
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.239
done more reports in this country than anybody else, but
869
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:06.800
many of them turned out to be very inadequate and
870
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:11.159
very misleading. And in fact, I'm not sure how many
871
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:15.559
cases have been reworked redecided on the grounds that the
872
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.679
courters had to flowert his evidence, but there was many,
873
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:22.760
certainly a couple of dozen at least cases that had
874
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:28.239
to be reviewed because it was discovered that he'd given
875
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:32.960
completely incompetent evidence. And the point in this case is
876
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:35.920
that at the very beginning of this case he told
877
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:38.280
the police that the main cause of death was drowning.
878
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:44.079
So all the papers, all the newspapers, all the television said,
879
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:46.519
right at the beginning, in the very first few days,
880
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:52.400
the pathologist says, Stuart Lubbertt drowned in this room pool.
881
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:56.079
And if the coroner had not called in a second
882
00:56:56.119 --> 00:57:02.079
pathologist that would have stood probably that burning the other pathologists.
883
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:06.480
There were four others or major pathologists in this country,
884
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.639
and they all basically said, this is not a case
885
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:14.119
of drowning. He died from other causes. So you have
886
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:16.679
to raise a question mark. First of all, why was
887
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:21.719
doctor Heath called into this celebrity death of somebody at
888
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:25.519
several celebrities house. Then he'd have to ask why he
889
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:29.719
gave such bad opinions in so many other cases, And
890
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:32.679
then he'd have to ask why he resigned the very
891
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:38.760
day after I'd begun this prosecution prosecution, And incidentally, the
892
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:45.599
competence of his post mortem was basically criticized by the
893
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:48.480
other pathologists. That he hadn't done this, he hadn't done that,
894
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:51.760
he hadn't taken measurements, he'd failed to do this, he'd
895
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:55.119
failed to weigh that. And so it was a very,
896
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:58.639
very lasadaisical post mortem.
897
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:01.239
I can imagine that panic at the scene, you know,
898
00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:03.840
with the Barrymore panicking, his buddies panicking, you know, and
899
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:06.920
then they get their buddy pathologist comes in there through
900
00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:09.199
some connection, maybe through the manager, you know, and a
901
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:11.000
lot of shortcuts we're taken yeah.
902
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:17.679
Yeah, after I after I, after I've written this book,
903
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:23.119
I was contacted by somebody who runs a solicitor actually,
904
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:26.800
who runs something called Inquest, which is a legal advice
905
00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:30.119
service for people who are going through in quests. And
906
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:35.679
she told me horrendous stories of how corrupt pathologists exist
907
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:42.679
in Britain and corrupt high profile investigations. So if if
908
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:47.920
some people have some celebrities or high profile people have
909
00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:51.760
committed an act which results in serious injury or death
910
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:58.800
to somebody, it can be manipulated by corrupt pathologists. This
911
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:01.199
is a fact we have to record. Dislike in any
912
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:05.360
walk of life, the police can be corrupt, celebratists can
913
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:09.039
be corrupt, anybody can be corrupt. So can pathologists. And
914
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:12.119
I think this may have been the case here that
915
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.920
he was directed to call this as a drowning.
916
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:18.400
Yeah, yeah, we have that here in the States too.
917
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:20.719
It seems to be like a funnel point, you know,
918
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:23.519
where if you got your right guy in there, he
919
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:25.360
can cover up a lot of stuff for you, like that.
920
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:26.559
They had that in Arkansas.
921
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:33.280
Bill Clinton was yeah, I'm familiar with I'm familiar with
922
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:37.800
Clinton in Arkansas. I've studied that. Yes, yes, yes, let's
923
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.960
take a commercial break there. Okay, so he's got a
924
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:44.880
possibly corrupt pathologist, and then you've got a possibly corrupt
925
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:49.920
senior police officer who tells his men allow the manager
926
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:53.199
to take the temper of the pool, don't see the thermometer,
927
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:55.480
and allow the manager to run the crime scene after
928
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:59.039
we've left. If you put all that together, how is
929
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:02.719
Stuart expected to get justice? All the damage was done
930
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:04.880
in the first forty eight hours what we call over
931
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:08.480
here the golden hours. The golden hours are the forty
932
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:11.000
eight hours after an event when you need to seize
933
01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:13.719
all the evidence you possibly can. Like you mentioned earlier, Yeah,
934
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:14.360
we actually have.
935
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:16.519
In the States, we have a TV show called forty
936
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:19.920
eight Hours. It's a reality documentary TV show that shows
937
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.119
the first forty eight hours of a murder investigation. We
938
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:25.360
have to take a commercial breakthrough right now with Anthony Bennett.
939
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:28.280
Fascinating content here about this story about the port of
940
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:30.320
Stuart Lobock. And it's really a shame too, because when
941
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:32.519
I was looking up this case, someone often they just
942
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:34.559
described him as the man in the pool, the man
943
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.000
in the pool. He was Stuart Lubbock. He had a father,
944
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.679
Terry Lobock. He had a brother Kevin, people that loved
945
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:42.719
him and died way too young, way too soon. A
946
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:46.159
brutal abuse before his death. Even if we throw all
947
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.360
the evidence out, he did drown, a brutal abuse before
948
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:52.639
his death, but physical injuries to his ennis, there's no
949
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:54.519
doubt about that. So we'll be right back with more
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We're talking about the death of Stuart Lubbock at the
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swimming pool of Michael Barrymore, a big celebrit over there
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01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.800
in England, and I was on Celebrity Big Brother there
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for a while. Mister Bennett, you had mentioned in passing
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earlier that in between of the four am and the
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01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:15.000
period of time that they called the police or the
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01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:17.960
police arrived, that Michael Barrymore tried to run into town
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or something like that.
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He ran into town round about the same time as
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the ambulance was called. He ran down to a friend
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of his in the village and he explained this as
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panic but he in the end his manager had to
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01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:39.639
call him on the mobile phone. The police said we
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01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:42.280
need to talk to him. In fact, the funnily enough,
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01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:46.119
the ethics police were very reluctant to name anybody in this.
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01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:50.880
Obviously the press got onto this fairly early on, and
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01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:53.559
the police were desperate to talk to Michael Harymore because
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01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:56.280
he's the owner of the house and they couldn't find him,
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01:05:56.559 --> 01:06:00.320
and eventually his manager had to ring him up. Look,
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you'll have all to the police. They want to say,
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you know what your explanation. I think it took them
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about two hours before they could get to him. If
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01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:12.159
you wouldn't mind, I would just like to mention one
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01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:16.719
other thing that I forgot earlier, evidentially about the simple Well.
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Yeah, but what rocail. First, he actually ran on foot
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or he got into his car.
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He was seen by what he seeing my witness, to
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01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:28.920
collect He was seen by a witness to collect certain items,
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01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:32.519
wrap them in a towel or a jumper and then
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01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:35.760
run off. So he was he was He was seen
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01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:42.400
going into draws here and there, picking things up, putting
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01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:44.239
them in a jumper or a bag or a towel
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or something like that, and then running off, Yes.
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01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:49.000
Literally running from the scene of a crime.
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Running.
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01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:53.280
Okay, what you said you were going to say that,
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I ANSWERP.
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Did you anyway? I was trying to get over the
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the encompassence of the police. One thing very important I
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01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:03.960
forgot to mention. Sorry I didn't mention it before, but
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01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:06.800
the police did not do a dietom test on the
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swimming pool. Now, I don't know much about diatoms, but
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they are some kind of small bacteria or something similar
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01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:21.159
which floats about in swimming pools. Now, if a diatom
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01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:24.679
test had been done, the police would have had proof
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01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:27.280
either way as to whether anybody had been in that
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01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:30.199
swimming pool or not. Really, please don't ask, please don't
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01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:33.360
ask me how the test works. But if they had
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01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.519
done a dietom test, I'm absolutely sure that they would
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have found that there had been no human being in
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that pool. And if I can just explain why Stewart
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01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:45.280
was found by the side of the pool and why
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water was found in his system, I think it's quite simple. Clearly,
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the man had been severely sexually assorted and died as
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a result. Of that. There can't be much doubt about
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01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:03.159
that or asphyxiations associated with that. Now, it's the simplest
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01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:06.480
thing in the world for three or four people to
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01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:09.920
haul his body out onto the swimming pool, Isn't it
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01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:13.280
easily done? Yeah? But a dress him up in a
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01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:20.159
pair of shorts, pour a bucket of water over him,
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01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:23.880
stuff from water down his throat so that water appears
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to be in his lungs. I'm absolutely certain that that
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01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:30.079
is what is done. He wasn't actually found by the
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01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:33.479
ambulance in the pool, in the pool that they found
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01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:35.039
him laid out on the side of the pool. And
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01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:37.680
what I'd like to do now in response to your question,
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01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:40.279
is can I please take you through all the different
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01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:44.159
versions of what happened when the witnesses say they found
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01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:47.520
Stuart lubbing in the pool, because that is really the
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01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:51.079
core of the base. I think excellent. Yeah, right, So
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01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:54.000
let me go first of water, to what Michael are said.
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01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:57.760
These are very important, these statements, because they show the
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01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:02.479
scale of the deception. So Michael Barrymore in his very
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01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:07.359
first statement said this, excided to go for a stroll
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01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:10.920
early in the morning by the singol at about five
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01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:16.800
thirty in the morning and I saw Stuart floating. I
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01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:21.000
rushed in and told Jonathan Kenny, that's his lover, and
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01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:25.960
the others to come and help. Now. Then, one thing
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01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:28.640
you'll notice there is he doesn't mention anybody else being
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01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:33.520
with him at the time. Now, he then says he
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01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:37.600
saw his lover, Jonathan Kenny Paul Stuart out of the pool.
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01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:42.640
So this is his first statement. I was alone, I
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01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:46.920
saw Stuart floating. I called my lover Jonathan Kenny, and
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01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:52.560
Jonathan Kenny pulled Stuart out of the pool. Now. Then
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01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:56.399
in his next statement, Barrymore says that he found that
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01:09:56.479 --> 01:10:02.560
he saw Stuart floating at the bottom of the The
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01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:05.960
pool was six feet deep, at least six seven feet deep.
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01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:10.079
So I don't know if you've ever heard of anybody
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01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:12.279
floating at the bottom of a pool, but that was
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01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:19.680
the exact term he U is floating at So, if
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01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:23.880
I go on, maybe gave an interview and he wrote
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01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:25.560
a book in fact on the case. He wrote a
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01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:29.119
book about this case in fact and or about his life,
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01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:35.199
including the death of Stuart Love Again, he said that
1110
01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:40.560
he had He said that when he first saw Stewart,
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01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:44.239
he stared into his eyes for several minutes until he
1112
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:47.399
realized what had gone on. Now, how could he stare
1113
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:50.560
into Stuart Love exsise when he was if he was
1114
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:52.359
six feet at the bottom of the pool. It's not
1115
01:10:52.399 --> 01:10:55.560
possible as it. In fact, when I when I spoke
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01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:58.479
to the detective Chief inspector in the case, he said, yes,
1117
01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:01.720
I noticed that it doing pretty difficult to stare under
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01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:04.920
into Stuart's eyes if he really was under six feet
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01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:09.359
of water. So that's Michael Barrymore's stories, which as you
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01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:11.600
can see, changed, But let's have a look at some
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01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:14.560
of the other ones. Now. I come now to Simon Shaw,
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01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:20.560
who was one of the two local homosexuals, and he
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01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:23.800
gives two separate accounts, So bear with me while I
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01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:28.560
go through the first account. In his first statement, Simon
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01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:31.640
Shaw said that he just happened to notice Stuart's body
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01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:35.000
in the swimming pool on his own, on his own
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01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:38.600
as he mistaken me left the party early by a
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01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:43.600
side door because he didn't know the property. He said
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01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:45.640
that he got him out of the swimming pool all
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01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:52.640
on his own and then went home. Oh. Now, one
1131
01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:55.239
of the things that emerged in evidence later was that
1132
01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.159
he'd been to the Barrymore's house many times before he
1133
01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:02.760
needed a property inside out. The whole story was absolute nonsense.
1134
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:07.399
But can you see instantly how that the story is
1135
01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:12.199
just unbelievable from start to finish. He didn't know the property,
1136
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:14.840
that's a lie. He got him out of the pool
1137
01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:17.920
all on his own. Now, I defy anybody to get
1138
01:12:18.039 --> 01:12:23.720
anybody who's who's unconscious or dead out of a pool
1139
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:27.880
on their own. It's fairly humanly possible. And if you did,
1140
01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.239
by the way, if that really had happened, you'd have
1141
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:34.399
abrasions of all kinds on the man's bodies as he
1142
01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:38.359
scraped the side of the swim pool. So I think
1143
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:41.319
probably your listeners will be the thing an idea that
1144
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:43.640
none of these stories make any sense. Let me go
1145
01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:47.640
now into his second statement. Two or three days later,
1146
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:52.840
he made a second statement. This time he says this Barrymore,
1147
01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:57.119
myself and my friend James Sputters were all smoking cannabis
1148
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:03.279
when Michael Barrymore said let's go for a swim. He
1149
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:07.319
then says that he and James Futters found Stewart and
1150
01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:12.920
that but Michael Barrymore was not there when they found him.
1151
01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:15.800
He then says that he alone dived in and Paul
1152
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:19.479
Stewart from the pool, but he then says somebody else
1153
01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:23.159
helped to pull him out. So I don't know whether
1154
01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:26.199
I need to run through all the different stages of
1155
01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:29.439
how these are inconsistent. I'll just pass over them and
1156
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:32.000
you could ask me questions about it. But his second
1157
01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:34.800
version is different from the first. It contradicts Barrymore, who
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01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:37.239
said that he was the first to find him. He
1159
01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:40.439
contradicts himself now by saying that somebody else was with him,
1160
01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:46.960
And so let me go onto James Futter's version. James
1161
01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:50.399
Futters is the local gay man who who was a
1162
01:13:50.439 --> 01:13:52.640
friend of Simon Shaw and a friend of Michael Barrymore.
1163
01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:56.039
His account is more as the same as Simon Shaw's,
1164
01:13:56.640 --> 01:14:01.319
but he also says that Michael Barrymore was not with
1165
01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:06.720
them when he and his friend found Stewart, So they're
1166
01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:11.439
contradicting Michael Barrinore's version of events. Now I come finally
1167
01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:17.680
to the version of Jonathan Kenny, Michael Barrymore's lover. Now
1168
01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:21.159
his accounts like this. He says, all of a sudden,
1169
01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:25.159
Michael Barrymore rushed into where I and Justin Merritt were sitting,
1170
01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:31.720
and Barrymore shouted, someone is drowning. But he says that
1171
01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:35.239
this was only minutes after they'd left Stuart Lubbock in
1172
01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:40.079
the chacuzzie, and that he was just toweling off after
1173
01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:42.840
being in the chacuzzie. You'll remember that he was in
1174
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:48.479
the jacuzzi at four o'clock, but all this is happening
1175
01:14:48.479 --> 01:14:51.359
at quarter to six. So he's claiming that he was
1176
01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:53.479
just toweling off after being in the jacuzzie for a
1177
01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:57.319
couple of hours. It's not credible. But now he says
1178
01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:02.520
further that he was the first to find He was
1179
01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:07.239
the first to find Stuart or to see Stuart, because
1180
01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:11.239
Michael Barrymore had rushed away from the Poor and he then,
1181
01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:15.439
he says, went to the poor and he saw Stuart
1182
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:19.560
floating at the top of the pool with his face downwards.
1183
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:23.319
So if you get the picture here, his account is
1184
01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:26.479
Barrymore rushes down, says I've seen someone in the pool.
1185
01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:29.960
But Jonathan Kenny goes and has a proper look and
1186
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:34.840
sees him floating face down. And he then says that
1187
01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:44.960
Kylie Merritt helped to get Stuart out of the ziring pool.
1188
01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:50.319
Nothing about Simon Shaw, nothing about James's Jonathan Kenny says
1189
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:52.840
that he was the one who got Stuart look out
1190
01:15:52.840 --> 01:15:58.239
of the poor, helped by Kylie Merritt. So complete contradictions.
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01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:01.039
You know, it's interesting too that they almost all claimed
1192
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:03.119
that they were the only person there and they they're
1193
01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:05.920
the ones who found out they're the ones. Yeah, that's
1194
01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:08.560
a huge contradiction, you know.
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01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:11.800
I mean, they are massive, aren't they? They are massive? Now,
1196
01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:15.520
I should just want I won't go into the men.
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01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:17.960
There are other details, but I will just add that kindly.
1198
01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:21.520
Merit when she was questioned, completely denied that she'd helped
1199
01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:25.039
get anybody out of the swimming pool. Now, I think
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01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:27.680
the thing that I'd like to get over to your listeners,
1201
01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:31.279
that this is the core of it really is. Can
1202
01:16:31.319 --> 01:16:35.680
you tell me how a police force and a coroner
1203
01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:40.439
can come up with an open verdict after these people
1204
01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:43.159
have clearly all lied through their teeth. I'm sorry to
1205
01:16:43.159 --> 01:16:45.279
say it, and I don't mind saying it because it's
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so obvious that they've all fabricated their stories. But how
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is it possible and these people who've fabricated the stories
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01:16:53.720 --> 01:16:55.920
have gone away with it? Why have they not at
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01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:01.600
least been prosecuted for perjury? With the course of justice,
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as we call it, perverting the course of justice. They've
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obviously died. It's obvious that they're all covering up for
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01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:13.760
a terrible sexual assault, and yet all we have is
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an open verdict and no prosecutions at all.
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Now, what about since that time. It's been a long time,
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01:17:22.119 --> 01:17:24.119
two thousand and one. I think it was right.
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Yes, well along the way I mean, in the wake
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of the arrests. The three men, as I've said, were
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01:17:33.680 --> 01:17:38.359
arrested by Moore and Kenny and Merritt all arrested and
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01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:42.920
then discharged after about thirty six hours, and the police
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01:17:42.920 --> 01:17:46.119
said that they didn't have sufficient evidence to prosecute them. Now,
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01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:49.239
just one or two little things along along the way
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there that the book was published and went very well.
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I also managed to successfully get the Independent Police Complaints
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Can to criticize ethics Police very severely for their failures
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during the forty eight hour period of Golden Period. I
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also was able to make a claim for compensation on
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01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:15.760
what we call criminal injuries compensation. Now we have a
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01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:19.680
scheme in England whereby if you can prove on the
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01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:24.319
balance of probabilities that somebody has died from a crime
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01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:28.399
of violence. Then the parents are entitled to compensation automatically
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01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:32.800
from the state. In other words, if it's more likely
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01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:36.439
than not that somebody has died from a crime of violence,
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01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:42.119
that the parents will get compensation. In this case, the
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mother and the father were entitled to about six thousand,
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01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:49.159
eight hundred pounds each. But the point is that that
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01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:53.520
has never been done before. Nobody had thought to make
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01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:58.640
this claim, and it's simply involved giving the Criminal Injuries
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Authority the same information that I've given you in this
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01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:07.239
phone call, the contradictory evidence, the pathology evidence, and of
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01:19:07.319 --> 01:19:11.359
course they said, yes, he suffered from a crime of violence,
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01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:15.399
and they paid in the compensation. Now that was some
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01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:19.560
small comfort if you can imagine too the parents. They'd
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01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:22.079
got some kind of result, not the result they wanted,
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01:19:22.119 --> 01:19:25.640
but they got some satisfaction and a small amount of
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01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:30.600
financial compensation. But I'd completely forgotten about the case until
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01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:34.680
about two years ago. I mean, I'd done what I
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01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:37.279
could back in two thousand and six, two thousand and seven,
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there was no more to do. But unbelievably two years ago, rough, well,
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01:19:44.119 --> 01:19:44.439
you know what, this.
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Might be good time to take a break and we'll
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01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:48.159
get back to this about what happened two years ago.
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You'd forgotten about the case and two guys ago. So
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the Opperman Report. I'm your host, proud Inbiscator at Opperman.
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We're here with Tony Bennett, a former solicitor in the
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01:23:55.199 --> 01:23:57.640
England over there, wrote a book Not a White Getting
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01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:01.000
Away with Murder, uncovering how Stuart Loveock was. Now Tony.
1324
01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:03.079
When we left off, you were saying how you've forgotten
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01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:05.079
about the case for two years and then somebody you
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01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:06.039
got dragged back in.
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01:24:07.239 --> 01:24:10.239
Yes, I'm going to tell you about how I got
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01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:13.600
dragged back in a moment. I just realized a couple
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01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:16.880
of things which I think just to give further information
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01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:19.960
to your listeners, if you don't mind, just before we
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do that. First of all, I did mention the first
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01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:27.960
pathologist and the gravity of his failures. Just read out
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01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:30.159
a list of them here, which from the official record
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01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:35.239
that he's one failed to make any note whatsoever of
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01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:41.840
the length or depth of the lacerations in Stuart's anus. Secondly,
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01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:45.760
failed to make any description at all of the damage
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01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:51.199
to the anal canal. Thirdly, failed to make a histological
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01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:56.880
examination of the lungs, which is normal pathology practice. The
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01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:59.479
fourth one I've already mentioned, failed to call for a
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01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:02.520
sample of water from the swimming pool, which would have
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01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:08.119
provided evidence of diatoms in the poor and fifth failed
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01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:12.800
to even mention the obvious POTITCHII, the pinhead sized blood spots,
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01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:17.920
which all the other pathologists had pointed to. So that
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01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:22.840
was the other pathologists attacking dot or now I would
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01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:26.560
again you asked me about the whether there was any
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01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:30.960
evidence scientologies a hard object being inserted into the anus.
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01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:34.079
I would like to just run through the port of
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Professor Crane. These essential bits, he says. First of all,
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a possible cause of epiphyxia, that is mechanical interference with
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such as obstructing the mouth and the nose. He said. Also,
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I note that Dr heath autopsy revealed the presence of
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01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:58.399
significant injuries to the anus. The anus has dilated, its
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01:25:58.399 --> 01:26:01.359
margin was bruised. Who were lesserte at six o'clock and
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at twelve o'clock. There was no depth or length of
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01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:08.039
the lacerations given, it is quite clear from the post
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01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:12.279
mortem photographs that there continued to be significant bleeding from
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01:26:12.279 --> 01:26:18.800
the anal lacerations even in the mortuary. These injuries continued.
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Professor Crane were indicative of a serious sexual assault. They
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were caused by the forceful insertion of a hard object
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into the anus. They could not have been caused by
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01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:35.279
consensual anal intercourse, and would be in keeping with the
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01:26:35.279 --> 01:26:39.039
insertion of a large objectect or by the practice of fisting,
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01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:42.840
whereby a clenched fist is forced into linus and he
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01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:47.159
goes on. If Lubbock was conscious whilst this was taking place,
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he would have experienced severe pain and is likely to
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have had to have been forcibly restrained. It also seems
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highly likely that he would have been screaming or crying
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01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:02.640
out in pain. Bleeding would have occurred immediately after the
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event and would have been a significant amount. Now, one
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thing I did fail to mention also was that several
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neighbors heard screaming at about five o'clock in the morning,
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and they weren't called to give evidence at the inquest,
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but that would be consistent with Stewart having been violently
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assorted about five o'clock in the morning, about three quarters
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01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:32.880
of an hour before the ambulance was caused. But anyway,
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I should I go on to just to explain what's
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happened recently, because I got a call from Terry Lubbock
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just about eighteen months ago now eighteen twenty one months ago,
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because he saw a newspaper report that Michael Barrymore was
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suing Essex Police for damages. Now, the basis of that
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01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:58.800
was that he claimed that Essex Police had no evidence
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whatsoever for having arrested him on suspicion of murder. And furthermore,
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01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:08.439
they said that the arrest was unlawful because he'd been
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arrested by a detective inspector and not a detective Chief inspector.
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Rules are that whether there is a suspect arrested for
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murder has to be arrested by somebody of the rank
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of detective Chief inspector or above. Unfortunately, because the police
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had to arrest three men at the same time the
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same day, they couldn't find a detective chief inspector at
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01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:41.319
short notice to arrest barrymore so that the detective inspector
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to one rank below, So that was part of his case,
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01:28:45.439 --> 01:28:47.560
the wrong rank of the officer who arrested him. But
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also he said there was no evidence to justify his
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arrest on suspicion of murder. The amount of damages he
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was claiming was two point five million pounds, which I
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think is about three and a half to four million
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dollars in dollars. Now you can imagine what effect that
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had on Stuart's father. Here he is, his son has
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hasn't got justice, The perpetrators have not been brought to justice.
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And there is the one of the either the perpetrators
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or somebody with good knowledge of what happened going to
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the courts and trying to claim two point five million pounds.
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01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:34.520
It's things, really, doesn't it.
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It's horrific that he would have the goal to even
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01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:42.920
attempt then, or that he would have an attorney who
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would go along with that.
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01:29:45.399 --> 01:29:48.159
I agree. I agree that the goal is the right word.
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01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:51.000
So many people have said that they could not believed
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01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:53.640
the goal to do it exactly those words. Yea.
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And now it's been so long, are therey rumors or gossips?
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Because so many people were involved. There were so many
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01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:02.079
people well there of what happened that night.
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No, no, no, there isn't. The nearest I can this
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I can get to it is that when when these
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proceedings open. By the way, yeah, Terry Lubbert, the father
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01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:20.960
is not a party to these seedings. Michael Barrymore is
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01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:25.319
suing Essex Police, so Terry Lobbot can't interfere in those proceedings.
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01:30:25.399 --> 01:30:28.720
It's a massive for the court to Michael Barrymore and
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01:30:28.840 --> 01:30:31.760
for x Police. It's not for Terry Lubbert. But what
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01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:34.880
we do is we did try to obtain a second
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01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:41.880
inquest on the basis of fresh evidence. But the the
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01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:46.600
Mike Michael Baron Moore's case was essentially founded on that
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01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:51.880
there was intufficient evidence to the restaurants aspiration of murder,
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01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:56.520
and the cases has gone through the courts now and
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01:30:57.439 --> 01:30:59.920
unfortunately I'm sorry to that the judge in the cast
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01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:05.399
a few months ago decided that in that the Michael
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01:31:05.520 --> 01:31:09.840
Barrymore had proved his case that there was insufficient evidence
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01:31:09.880 --> 01:31:14.079
to him on the challenge of murder, the court rule
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01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:18.920
that he would be going to get the conversation you
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01:31:18.920 --> 01:31:23.159
get to be, So where we are now he's claim
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01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:27.039
to and a half of the impounds, of course are
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01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:31.000
entire some conversations. I believe at the moment Michael burial
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01:31:32.560 --> 01:31:40.439
with six the amount and if they can't agree and
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01:31:40.640 --> 01:31:45.800
the court, but I said, what it instice justice turned
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01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:51.840
on its head. Really, it's one injustice afternoon and I'm
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01:31:51.880 --> 01:31:56.239
ast admit the the judgement have had grounds for his
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because there is no direct prof that Michael ba More
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participated in this attack. I should make that tear. We
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01:32:04.479 --> 01:32:08.159
don't know who committed attack on Stuart Lubbert, do not
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01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:12.800
know who. We can make intelligent guests that we That
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01:32:13.039 --> 01:32:18.800
is the trouble here that with the science you compenetrate
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01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:21.520
the world's starts. But I will tell you was an
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01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:29.600
intelligence report supplied by somebody to the Essex Police Indigence Service.
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01:32:32.319 --> 01:32:37.159
An informer stated that he had evidence that two of
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01:32:37.239 --> 01:32:41.279
the witnesses had been paid off a substantial sum of
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01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:45.039
money to lie about what happened that night. Two of
1447
01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:47.439
the witnesses have been paid off as a postantial sum
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01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:52.359
of money. Now we can make intelligent guesses about who
1449
01:32:52.399 --> 01:32:54.840
those two witnesses are. I think it might be the
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01:32:54.880 --> 01:32:57.560
two girls personally, But there's no evidence as to who
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01:32:57.640 --> 01:33:00.359
they are, but that would be consistent with what I
1452
01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:02.600
believe has happened in this case has been an almighty
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01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:06.279
cover up. Not only that, but I believe that account
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01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:09.399
to be true, that that witnesses were paid off large
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01:33:09.399 --> 01:33:11.119
suther of money to say nothing.
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01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:14.880
Because we saw the witnesses lifestyle change and employment and
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01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:17.239
you know, I don't know.
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01:33:17.359 --> 01:33:22.159
I think I think for obvious reasons, the intelligence reporter
1459
01:33:22.199 --> 01:33:24.840
has never been published in form You wouldn't expect that
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01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:28.239
really to be honest with them and the the there
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01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:30.760
would be an intelligent spile at Essex Police. Who the
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01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:34.840
informant was and what his sort of knowledge was, what
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01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:38.640
his reasons were. I mean, who knows whether he might
1464
01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:41.079
have known that for a fact or he might have
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01:33:41.159 --> 01:33:44.520
just made a guess. But it doesn't appear to have
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01:33:45.439 --> 01:33:50.600
got anywhere. I mean, you would look sure for witnesses
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01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:53.880
lifestyles to have changed, new cars, holidays, that kind of thing.
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01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:57.159
But all we know. All we know for certainly is
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01:33:57.199 --> 01:34:03.720
that one informant has said that two witnesses were handsomely
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01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:07.079
paid off, which to my mind is very consistent with
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01:34:07.119 --> 01:34:09.439
what we know about the scale of this cover up.
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Ah boy in all of our discussions today. Is there
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01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:16.880
anything I've left out that I've forgotten to ask you?
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01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:21.199
I think we've covered the main grounds, honestly. I mean
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01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:24.680
there are matters of details that we could delve into,
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01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:32.479
but hopefully all the listeners will have an idea of
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01:34:32.479 --> 01:34:35.119
of what happened. We know, I mean to summarize. Then
1478
01:34:36.079 --> 01:34:39.479
we know that it was a sex serious sexual assault
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01:34:39.479 --> 01:34:42.000
that took place. There's no doubt about that, very serious.
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01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:45.920
We can deduce I think that that was the cause
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01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:50.560
of death, even though the coroner wouldn't agree. We can
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01:34:50.680 --> 01:34:54.039
deduce from the witness statements that I've read out about
1483
01:34:54.079 --> 01:34:56.439
the how he was supposedly found in the pool, that
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01:34:56.479 --> 01:34:59.560
he wasn't found in the poor and that he probably
1485
01:34:59.680 --> 01:35:03.880
was never in the pool, and that basically a fake.
1486
01:35:04.399 --> 01:35:08.439
This is a fake drowning, a hoax, rapidly concocted on
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01:35:08.479 --> 01:35:13.079
the spot by the people who killed him and obviously
1488
01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:15.239
wanted to cover up. And then, as you say, we
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01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:17.399
have a saying in English, I don't know if you
1490
01:35:17.399 --> 01:35:19.800
have the same over there, adding insult to injury.
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01:35:20.119 --> 01:35:20.319
We do.
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01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:25.359
And surely the compensation being paid to Michael bymore after
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01:35:25.439 --> 01:35:28.000
This is a true example of adding insult to injury.
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01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:29.840
But I think I've covered the main points.
1495
01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:32.760
One last question in the media, like the average guy
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01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:34.960
on the street, do they believe the official story or
1497
01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:36.560
do they believe that this is all a cover up?
1498
01:35:37.239 --> 01:35:39.720
No, if you look at the Internet, Twitter and so on,
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01:35:40.359 --> 01:35:48.039
there's many jokes made about Michael Bymore. The most people
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01:35:48.119 --> 01:35:52.039
know that Stewart was in effect effects rapes that evening
1501
01:35:52.800 --> 01:35:55.760
and cruelly raped. I mean, I think everybody knows that.
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01:35:55.800 --> 01:35:58.239
It's one of these things that everybody knows, really, But
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01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:03.600
of course there is still media representing this as a drowning.
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01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:12.079
So actually on the back cover of my book when
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01:36:12.119 --> 01:36:17.319
I first started making noises about this case, there's a
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01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:20.640
newspaper called The Sun over Here which was very close
1507
01:36:20.680 --> 01:36:23.840
to Michael Barrymore, and at the beginning of the year
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01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:28.720
they wrote a headline like this. Michael Barrymore's story has
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01:36:28.760 --> 01:36:35.560
been backed by medical evidence and key witnesses. Now that
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01:36:35.680 --> 01:36:38.960
the son has on Earth lost evidence that seems to
1511
01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:44.000
back up Michael Barrymore's version of events. Now, Michael Barrymore
1512
01:36:44.079 --> 01:36:49.000
actually claimed that the injuries to Stuart's amus were caused
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01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:51.880
by a hospital thermometer when he arrived in the ambulance,
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01:36:53.720 --> 01:36:56.720
and in fact there was a separate investigation, quite a
1515
01:36:56.760 --> 01:37:00.600
cost investigation into those claims. He and his lawyers and
1516
01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:03.720
his publicist said that if there was any injury to
1517
01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:06.079
his aim, as it must have happened, they blamed the hospital.
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01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:10.319
So the hospital had to be investigated to see if
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01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:12.199
there's any truth in it. Of course, the thermometer was
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01:37:12.199 --> 01:37:15.199
a tiny thing, one that would have done no damage
1521
01:37:15.239 --> 01:37:18.840
at all. But again coming back to the point I
1522
01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:22.680
was making. This same newspaper, The Sun, which had backed
1523
01:37:24.680 --> 01:37:27.279
Michael Barrymore to the hilt and backed up his so
1524
01:37:27.399 --> 01:37:32.359
called medical evidence. One year later they ran an opinion
1525
01:37:32.439 --> 01:37:36.319
poll head on this issue, and this is what they said.
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01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:39.960
Readers of our newspapers say they don't want the disgraced
1527
01:37:40.199 --> 01:37:45.199
entertainer back on television. Memories of that ghastly knight of
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01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:48.840
death and debauchery at his home as still too fresh.
1529
01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:54.680
One Sparrymore was a genuinely rat talent. Today he is
1530
01:37:54.720 --> 01:37:59.479
a pathetic and disgraced liability.
1531
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:02.920
So this did destroy his career.
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01:38:03.039 --> 01:38:07.640
After this incident one it's it's remained under Yeah, he's
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01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:08.800
never never got back.
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01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:12.359
No, okay, Well that's good to know now, if people
1535
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:14.079
want to find you and you and follow your work.
1536
01:38:14.119 --> 01:38:16.239
Do you have a website or a Twitter or Facebook?
1537
01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:19.960
I don't. I don't have a website. I am on Twitter.
1538
01:38:20.079 --> 01:38:22.199
I can be contacted on Twitter, and I handle is
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01:38:22.399 --> 01:38:25.800
zampos z A m p O s v A m
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01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:30.319
p O s no no z a m p o
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01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:36.319
s zampos z a m z zebra z a m
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01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:40.119
p O p o yeah z a m p O.
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01:38:40.119 --> 01:38:44.000
S pos z a m p O s Okay, pretty Bennett,
1544
01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:46.399
thank you so much. I don't enjoy the story, but
1545
01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:48.359
I enjoy the way you tell the story, and I
1546
01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:50.319
appreciate that. I hope people will check out your book.
1547
01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:52.680
If anything new comes up, get a hold of me, okay,
1548
01:38:52.680 --> 01:38:53.800
and we'll we'll update with it.
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01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:57.000
There are developments, and I will certainly. I've got your
1550
01:38:57.000 --> 01:38:59.560
email now and I'll be pleased to update you. I
1551
01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:02.199
think it will cause a minor sensation if he gets
1552
01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:05.119
any money at all. So happy to talk to you
1553
01:39:05.159 --> 01:39:08.039
then if, if, and when he gets his money.
1554
01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:10.520
Thank you very much, keep in touch, okay, good night.
1555
01:39:11.680 --> 01:39:15.560
Then he had Anthony Bennett, uh seven years old. You
1556
01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:17.840
know he has a way telling his story, not a
1557
01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:23.800
whit getting away with murder, uncovering how Stuart Lubbock was killed. Uh,
1558
01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:26.600
And I'm glad we owe this to Graham. Rico Boston
1559
01:39:26.800 --> 01:39:31.039
one of my listeners who has been helping. He helps
1560
01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:32.479
with a lot of guests at a lot of good
1561
01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:35.239
guest suggestions come from Graham. I really appreciate it. From
1562
01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:37.239
the UK up there and he's into rap and you
1563
01:39:37.279 --> 01:39:39.479
know it's they they're wrestling looks somethings I'm not to into,
1564
01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:42.640
but that stuff we definitely usually it's a home run
1565
01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:45.479
whenever Graham sends me a guest. So I really appreciate
1566
01:39:45.479 --> 01:39:51.680
that a lot. Let's see a couple of things he
1567
01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:54.159
was talking about, Like about this whole thing about how
1568
01:39:54.319 --> 01:39:56.359
when the police show up at a celebrity's house and
1569
01:39:56.479 --> 01:40:00.279
everything's handled differently and the manager comes, the managers, oh
1570
01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:02.880
can you take the temperature for us? Reminds me of
1571
01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:07.439
the story of Don Simpson. You might recall Don Simpson
1572
01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:10.840
was a movie producer and he produced all those movies
1573
01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:13.560
like Top Gun and that other one with Tom Cruise
1574
01:40:13.560 --> 01:40:16.319
with a racetrack, you know, the races, all those There
1575
01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:19.199
was a whole series of them, you know, of these movies.
1576
01:40:19.199 --> 01:40:22.319
We had the same exact pattern, the same template to
1577
01:40:22.359 --> 01:40:26.600
the movie Don Simpson and this I guess this is
1578
01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:30.279
who went back in the eighties and he was one
1579
01:40:30.319 --> 01:40:34.279
of Heidi Flies's clients. Heidi Flys, the famous madam Hollywood
1580
01:40:34.279 --> 01:40:37.880
madame Heidi Flies, and Don Simpson had this reputation of
1581
01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:42.600
being brutally sado masochistic to the girls that were sent
1582
01:40:42.680 --> 01:40:48.199
over to had that reputation. And what happened was one
1583
01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:50.760
night Don Simpson had a party, you know, Hollywood producer
1584
01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:53.479
has a party man, and it was a death at
1585
01:40:53.520 --> 01:40:58.079
his party. I believe he was a young man and
1586
01:40:58.359 --> 01:41:03.359
the same thing as Michael Barrymore and Stuart Lubbock. Before
1587
01:41:03.359 --> 01:41:07.000
he would call the police, he called up people to
1588
01:41:07.039 --> 01:41:10.800
help him out. Who he call up Anthony Pelicanno, private
1589
01:41:10.840 --> 01:41:13.439
investigated to the stars, tough guy Anthony Pelicano a now
1590
01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:17.640
serving time in prison for possession of wire tapping equipment.
1591
01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:21.279
By the way, he has encrypted wire tapping conversations that
1592
01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:23.319
no one's been able to unencrypt, no one's able to
1593
01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:25.960
break the code and see what's on those thousands of
1594
01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:28.600
hours because he had a device where he had could
1595
01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:32.319
sit in his office and down somebody's phone and remotely
1596
01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:38.800
record their phone calls. Okay, like that, you know, wouldn't
1597
01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:39.960
you like to have that? You know, I got an
1598
01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:43.039
ext girlfriend, nothing like that, you want to check up on. Hey,
1599
01:41:43.239 --> 01:41:47.680
I got a couple of others anyway. Also, they found
1600
01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:50.079
him in some c four explosives, a hand grenade. You know,
1601
01:41:50.119 --> 01:41:54.159
he was involved in the threats wire tapping. He's in prison.
1602
01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:59.319
So Tom Sinson has a problem death in his party.
1603
01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:03.800
Doesn't call the police. What does he call it? Calls
1604
01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:07.640
Anti Pelicano And this is admitted. Anti Pelicanna helped clean
1605
01:42:07.720 --> 01:42:11.600
up the crime scene. They disposed of drugs and narcotics
1606
01:42:11.600 --> 01:42:19.159
and you know, unpleasant, unpleasant items, unmentionables that they did
1607
01:42:19.159 --> 01:42:21.680
not want prying eyes to see. But what I find
1608
01:42:21.720 --> 01:42:23.880
even more fascinating than that is who was the first
1609
01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:29.439
responding officers to that crime scene, Mark Furman? So Anti
1610
01:42:29.479 --> 01:42:31.840
Pelicano did not pick up his cell phone back in
1611
01:42:31.880 --> 01:42:34.760
the eighties, expensive cell phone. I'm sure Anthony Pelicanno had
1612
01:42:34.760 --> 01:42:36.960
one and call up nine to one one. He did
1613
01:42:37.000 --> 01:42:39.920
not down nine one one, No, he doubts some other number,
1614
01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:42.920
possibly Mark Furman's phone number, his cell phone number. He
1615
01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:45.520
had a cell phone's walking around one right. But we
1616
01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:47.720
know that Anti Pelicano did not call nine one one
1617
01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:49.520
because there was not a nine one one call and
1618
01:42:49.560 --> 01:42:51.840
there was not a nine to one to one police dispatched.
1619
01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:54.960
They were not officers, uniformed officers in their patrol cars
1620
01:42:55.640 --> 01:42:59.199
arriving at the scenes. First officers to respond, you see
1621
01:42:59.359 --> 01:43:02.119
in the police portrrider I was a first officer to respond,
1622
01:43:02.600 --> 01:43:06.199
Officer Kaplin five four one two two, first officer on
1623
01:43:06.199 --> 01:43:06.680
the scene.
1624
01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:08.520
Right.
1625
01:43:09.479 --> 01:43:11.640
No, not in this case. The first officer to respond
1626
01:43:11.800 --> 01:43:17.119
was a detective in the Robbery Homicide Unit O case
1627
01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:21.239
shows up after the becalled by his buddy and later
1628
01:43:21.279 --> 01:43:24.800
on by his He was a client of Anti Pelicanol.
1629
01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:26.880
That came out in the O. J. Simpsons trial that
1630
01:43:27.439 --> 01:43:30.359
Mark Furman was a client of Anti Pelicano, so they
1631
01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:33.720
had a prior relationship. They were some kind of association
1632
01:43:34.520 --> 01:43:40.920
and somehow crime scene evidence got covered up, disposed of
1633
01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:44.920
and there was no charges filed. And whatever happened with
1634
01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:47.960
that death is a mystery. Don Simpson I think died
1635
01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:50.199
of natural causes. Later on, who knows, maybe they weren't
1636
01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:52.600
natural causes, But everything that goes on in Hollywood, who
1637
01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:55.399
knows exactly what went on? Down there also too. He
1638
01:43:55.479 --> 01:43:58.640
was talking about how the medical examiner that is the
1639
01:43:59.039 --> 01:44:00.720
choking point. That's the where I was looking for. The
1640
01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:05.239
choke point where if you got corrupt politicians and corrupt
1641
01:44:05.239 --> 01:44:08.680
people in power, uh, and they're often people. If you've
1642
01:44:08.680 --> 01:44:11.680
got that medical examiner and the pathologists, you got them
1643
01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:13.520
in your pocket that they can say the cause of
1644
01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:17.479
death was a suicide. You know, half the game is one.
1645
01:44:18.000 --> 01:44:20.800
Half the game is one. Right there, We'll be right
1646
01:44:20.840 --> 01:44:25.119
back after these messages with more of the Opperman report.
1647
01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:28.199
I want to thank our guest Tony Bennett. I should
1648
01:44:28.199 --> 01:44:29.880
have learned some Tony Bennett songs that could have sung
1649
01:44:29.960 --> 01:44:36.640
side Oh, summer shouted evening. I all learned something. Ah,
1650
01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:40.319
I could even bother Tony Bennett. Not all white. And
1651
01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:43.439
that's about a W I G H T. Not a
1652
01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:48.560
white getting away with murder, uncovering us. Stuart Lubbock was
1653
01:44:48.640 --> 01:44:55.000
killed at Michael Montcott. It's Michael Montcamber right.
1654
01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:04.079
We all have questions, did he do it or did
1655
01:45:04.079 --> 01:45:07.640
he not? We all have opinions, but do we really
1656
01:45:07.960 --> 01:45:11.359
know the truth. New evidence will now be presented and
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for one hour that I just do a live monologue.
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He's an excellent musician. And I also want to thank
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William Ramsey who helps us produce the show and book guests.
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You can find William Ramsey, who's an excellent author at
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William Ramsey Investigates on YouTube. Welcome back to the Operaman Report.
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I'm your host, Private investigator Ed Opperman. Hey, don't forget.
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You can go to email reveal dot com get a
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copy of my book How to Become a Successful Private
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Investigator taping later on with Mike Parsiali, a huge favorite
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01:48:53.960 --> 01:48:57.520
on the show. Always get a lot of downloads and
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01:48:58.239 --> 01:49:02.600
YouTube views and iTunes downloads and all that kind of stuff.
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01:49:02.640 --> 01:49:05.720
Speaker views. When we have Mike Parsey Ally on the
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show from MJ Victims dot com. A fascinating guy, a
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01:49:10.159 --> 01:49:12.199
lot of information on the Michael Jackson case, but also
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01:49:12.199 --> 01:49:15.199
to the Corey Fellman thing and Scott he Schwartz.
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01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:16.199
He's into all this stuff.
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01:49:16.199 --> 01:49:18.880
He gets really involved, you know, and starts himself into
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01:49:18.880 --> 01:49:20.159
all this Stuff'm gonna be talking about a bunch of
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01:49:20.199 --> 01:49:23.800
topics Hollywood, tell fish you know. Just last night, as
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01:49:23.800 --> 01:49:27.960
I'm taping the show, Corey Fellman was attacked by a
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01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:31.359
sharp object. He was sitting in his car, and he
1731
01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:33.199
says three men came up while he was in his
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01:49:33.279 --> 01:49:35.920
car with his bodyguards. But three men came up into
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01:49:35.960 --> 01:49:39.000
the car, opened up the door and started stabbing him
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01:49:39.039 --> 01:49:41.600
with an object. And it's being investigated, according to Corey Felman,
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01:49:41.640 --> 01:49:44.920
for attempted murder. So are we talking to Mike Prasey
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01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:50.560
ally about that big favorite of the show. Also, I
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01:49:50.640 --> 01:49:55.840
will be tomorrow sad A Thursday, Thursday, I will be
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01:49:56.399 --> 01:50:01.520
Live with Wayne Madison. Wayne Madison, you might recall the name,
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01:50:01.640 --> 01:50:07.520
a well known alternative media investigative reporter and researcher has
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01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:13.520
been doing some research and some work into the Trump
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01:50:13.560 --> 01:50:18.640
Epstein lawsuit where Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein were co defendants,
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01:50:18.640 --> 01:50:21.960
and a lawsuit by Katie Doe was suing him for
1743
01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:24.359
a rape and being molested when she was thirteen years old,
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01:50:24.640 --> 01:50:26.920
and she had a witness, Tiffany Doe, her friend who
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01:50:27.279 --> 01:50:29.800
she confided to at the time, and they mentioned a
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01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:34.520
third party named Maria, who was Trump threatened him and says,
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01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:36.079
if you don't keep him out, shut the same thing
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01:50:36.119 --> 01:50:38.239
that happened and Marie is gonna happen to you. So
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01:50:38.439 --> 01:50:40.720
they believe Wayne Masson believes that his friend and he
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01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:45.279
has a trackdown the real Maria and they've connected it
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01:50:45.319 --> 01:50:48.000
to a missing Maria in a New Jersey and there's
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01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:51.680
some kind of the farious activities with the mayor down there.
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01:50:52.039 --> 01:50:54.079
So we're gonna have him on the show to explain
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01:50:54.600 --> 01:50:56.479
his research there and see what he's come up with.
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01:50:57.279 --> 01:50:59.960
I'd be very interested to hear that for obvious reasons.
1756
01:51:01.119 --> 01:51:03.560
Back to our guest today, Anthony Bennett, not a white
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01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:07.079
getting away with the murder uncovering how Stuart Lebrick was killed.
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01:51:07.439 --> 01:51:10.159
Stuart Lubbock, of course, you know, claimed to be found
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01:51:10.680 --> 01:51:14.199
drowning in a pool. Reminds me of the Drew Peterson
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01:51:14.239 --> 01:51:16.000
case and how when the police show up and a
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01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:20.359
find a body in a bathtub right away that they
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01:51:20.399 --> 01:51:23.079
make the assumption that it's a suicide or an accidental
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01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:25.119
drowning in a tub. You know, a slip titch your head,
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01:51:25.159 --> 01:51:27.199
you know, fell asleep and drinking wine. You know, he
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01:51:27.279 --> 01:51:29.279
fall asleep in the tub, all those kinds of things,
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01:51:29.279 --> 01:51:34.960
and they immediately classify it as not a homicide. Or
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01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:39.880
Drew Peterson, who was a police detective himself, would have
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01:51:39.920 --> 01:51:41.720
experience and knowledge of this kind of thing. Good way
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01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:44.880
to stage a murder scene. Also too, I believe that
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01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:48.399
one of the Jackson brothers with Jackson five had a
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01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:50.760
wife or an ex wife that was found drowning in
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01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:53.079
a pool. And I think Jerry Lee Lewis had a couple.
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01:51:53.399 --> 01:51:56.039
Idn't quote me on that, but I know there was
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01:51:56.119 --> 01:52:00.520
some famous rock musician, a notorious one, and they called
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01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:02.359
him the killer. He might be the one. I had
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01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:04.560
a couple of x Y's found drowning on a pool.
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01:52:04.880 --> 01:52:05.079
O J.
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01:52:05.199 --> 01:52:08.239
Simpsons lost a child too to a pool drowning and
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01:52:08.279 --> 01:52:10.119
hardly ever talked about too. And you know I also
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01:52:10.199 --> 01:52:11.960
coincidence with this case too as well as O J.
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01:52:12.079 --> 01:52:14.119
Simpson's father was a female in person, he had a
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01:52:14.159 --> 01:52:18.560
lot of people don't know they died of AIDS in
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01:52:18.600 --> 01:52:23.199
San Francisco. Again, another aspect of the OJ case doesn't
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01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:28.319
get much publicity. I think it's interesting I put out
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01:52:28.359 --> 01:52:33.720
a an urgent plea this week. I hate to talk
1786
01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:37.319
about this kind of stuff. It's so distressing and humiliating.
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01:52:37.359 --> 01:52:39.439
Then people can plain as you always BEGGINGIM for money
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and I really don't. Only when we have emergencies. And
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01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:48.640
I put out a recording on Wednesday morning on the
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01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:51.880
twenty eighth, because we have this bill coming up with
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the Spreaker, and if we lose Spreaker, we lose iHeart
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and iTunes and YouTube. And if you listen to the
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show on either iHeart or iTunes or YouTube, this may
1794
01:53:01.119 --> 01:53:03.920
be the last broadcast you hear because we may not
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01:53:03.960 --> 01:53:07.840
be able to keep that up and running, uh without
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01:53:08.319 --> 01:53:10.840
either a new sponsor. We get our a nice sponsor,
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We're gonna keep us going for another few months or
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some donations, you know, if you want to, if you
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enjoy the show and you want to donate money, that
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would be a big help. And you can contact me
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either way at Opperman Report at gmail dot com and
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01:53:23.079 --> 01:53:25.079
or you can go to the Opperman Report website. There's
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a donate page on there. We could donate, uh to
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01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:30.479
keep you know, keep us up and running until we
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get more sponsors and show grows, we can get bigger guests.
1806
01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:35.399
You know who I have booked I'm gonna be taping
1807
01:53:35.439 --> 01:53:40.840
with next week. Uh Uh Danny Bonaducci's ex wife, Gretchen Bonaducci,
1808
01:53:41.439 --> 01:53:43.239
and my ex girlfriend actually went to high school with
1809
01:53:43.319 --> 01:53:46.079
Danny Bonaducci, so I have some questions that may be
1810
01:53:46.159 --> 01:53:47.960
a couple of curveballs for him, but we're gonna be
1811
01:53:47.960 --> 01:53:50.199
throwing that out there. I'm looking forward to that. To
1812
01:53:50.279 --> 01:53:53.079
Gretchen Bonaducie, I think that's a good a good get,
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01:53:53.239 --> 01:53:58.159
as they say in the business. I think that's just
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01:53:58.199 --> 01:54:00.479
about everything I wanted to cover U. So thank you
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01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:04.279
so much, and thank you for for listening in today
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with the Anthony Bennett not o'white And now a word
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software testing, offshore research, networking, customer care, press release, content
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writing and distribution, and much much more. They offer website development,
1842
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e commerce solutions, mobile responsive designs now. I've personally worked
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01:55:47.640 --> 01:55:50.159
with Subash for over ten years. This is the man
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that puts out my press releases. They've done work on
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my websites, so I can personally recommend subash Technosis dot com.
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You can find a link to Subash Technosis at Opera
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report dot com and also Awake Radio dot us. Welcome
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And on Friday nights too, we do a live portion
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for one hour that I just do a live monologue.
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The ads are very, very inexpensive, and they're also played
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twenty dollars a quarter, or seventy five dollars for a year.
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If you contact me directly at Opperman Report at gmail
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deal there when you get a discount if you paypound
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I want to thank Sean Duff from Strowmanmusic dot com.
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He's an excellent musician. And I also want to thank
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William Ramsey who helps us produce the show and book.
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Guests.
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You can find William Ramsey who's an excellent author at
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We all have quote questions, did he do it or
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did he not? We all have opinions, but do we
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