Ochelli Effect 9-25-2026 Friday Night Open Mic with B Pete

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Get ready for the A.O. Shelley Effect.
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Well, there we go. All right. September, September 25, 2026. Allegedly,
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according to that thing we call a calendar. No, I'm
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not counting. Anyway, this is the Ocelli Effect. And guess what?
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It's Friars Day, Friday night. And what does that mean?
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We have the open mic. I have my co-host, B. Pete,
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with me. And no plan whatsoever. Uh, we're going to
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wing this one big time. We'll see where it goes.
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Maybe BP has some headlines. He was starting to tell me,
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I cut them off. I said, save it for live air.
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Cause I want to react. You know why? I don't
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know nothing about anything that happened this week. I think
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I've been caught up in crap. But anyway, hopefully you
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haven't been. I hope whoever you are, wherever you are,
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whenever you are, that all things are well. I know
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that you're probably not listening to the podcast because Friday
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night downloads suck right now. Thanks. And, you know, the
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more work I put out, the less you guys want
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to download. Is that a hint? Anyway, I guess we'll
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find out soon enough. Good to have heard from Mike Swanson. No,
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I didn't release the Thursday night jam yet, but it's coming.
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And who knows, there might be some other additional things
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this weekend that I'm going to release, record, and even broadcast,
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depending on people's availability. And a couple of pieces of
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feedback I'm waiting on from some listeners, okay? Just that simple.
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But I tend to listen to people who actually support
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the show a little more. Just saying. Just saying. Anyway. BP,
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you know, the phone lines are open. Wow, I almost
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didn't give the number.
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319-527-5016.
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This gives you a hint where I'm at right now.
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319-527-5016.
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You can call in and be a part of this. 319.
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319-527-5016.
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That is the number to call in and become part
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of this. The Ocelli Effect live Friday night open mic.
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And I'm going to see if Pete can lead this
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one a little more this week. Because I guarantee you
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I'm going to trip over my tongue and screw things
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up for sure. I'm going to misspeak on Spreaker and
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I'm going to speak, you know, extemporaneously probably. And God
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knows where that will go because, you know, my mind is,
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I don't know. I think turned into mush. It's either
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that or the world is screwed up, or maybe it's
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little column A, little column B. I don't know, but again,
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didn't even want to pay attention to the news this week. BP,
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how are you?
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I'm good.
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You know, we finally got a break from summer. It
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went from being near 100 to being in the 60s
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the past couple days, as high.
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So it's been a very enjoyable course.
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We got a lot of rain out of it, and
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Apparently a lot of wind damage down along the coast.
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They cut Highway 12 again, the overwash from the ocean.
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So DOT will be out there shoveling sand again. But
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other than that, you know, it's been a good week
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just trying to get used to these cooler temperatures because
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it's now officially fall. So we're enjoying it. But other
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than that, just trying to get stuff done around the homestead.
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Haven't had any battles with the town lately.
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No more leaf collection issues?
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No.
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What they did is they just cut back. Instead of
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coming every week, they come about every two weeks to
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three weeks. So we're going to hit them on that
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come rate adjustment time.
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Oh, boy.
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Because what they do is they charge you for your
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garbage pickup. And you have to have your garbage picked
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up by the company that has the contract.
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Right.
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So the town charges you a fee. You have to
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get your cans or your wheelie bins, as they call
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them in Europe. To take them out to the street,
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you have to get those from the company, but the
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town actually charges you, and then they put their markup
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on it.
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Now, wait a minute. They call it a wheelie bin
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over there. I hear them called RoboCans because that's what
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you're talking about, right? It's kind of a small plastic, really,
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like a big, giant, rubbery plastic bin with wheels. Yeah,
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so I guess a wheelie bin might be appropriate in Europe.
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But those things. And you know what? It has not
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helped with efficiency or anything else. And they'll turn around
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and do stuff to you like they won't pick it
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up if the lid's popped up a little bit because
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you filled it. God help you. Right.
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And they're not that peculiar about that.
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If you can.
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No.
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OK, let's put it this way. If the stuff doesn't
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fall out from the time their arm comes out and
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connects to it, goes up and dumps it. If nothing
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falls out, they don't have an issue. But if something
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falls out, they don't pick it up.
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Oh, no, they're leaving it out there.
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So if you overstuff it, yeah, you might be out
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there picking crap up out of the street when you
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get home from work.
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All right. So gone are the days of the guy
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riding on the back of the garbage truck where you're at, right? Completely.
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Yeah, this one they use for both recycling and for
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your normal trash.
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You have a wheelie bin.
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But it's nice in that the ones they give us
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are big enough. I can put like five bags of
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trash or more in there. So my wheelie bin for recycling,
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I don't even put out there. They take that up
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every two weeks. One week it's trash, one week it's
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trash and recycling. Next week it's trash, so they rotate.
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I can go three or four trips on the recycling
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bin before it's even a third full because I crush
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all my water bottles and cans and stuff before I
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put them in there. So it's just that makes it that.
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Fewer times I need to haul it to the street. But, yeah,
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it's fully automated. They've got the arms and come out,
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pick it up, dump it and lay it back down.
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You know, a couple of weird things. One, somebody who
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does listen to the Friday night show I was talking
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to and they said something to me that I said
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was completely stupid because they went, I have no idea
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what the weather's like where you are. I said, that's
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pretty much what we start the show with every week,
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first of all. And you get an extensive weather report
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from BP in a lot of weeks. So don't tell
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me you don't know what the weather is in the southeast. OK,
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because if you're listening to this, then you're not really listening.
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OK.
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All right. Anyway, it was kind of a thing. And
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the guy felt a little embarrassed.
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Or they're late like we are sometimes.
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So, yeah.
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Well, no, they could be late.
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They don't pay attention. Their attention span kicks in late.
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No, that's OK.
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Past the first intro.
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And the thing is that also me. But they're listening
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to the podcast. They're not even listening to the live show.
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True, but when they start it, they're probably loading their
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bowl or they're going and getting coffee because they know
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it's going to be a while.
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So they just don't pay attention to the interruptories.
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Oh, okay. So in other words, the first 10 minutes
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don't count to them anyway. All right, I get it.
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They're half-ass it.
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I get it.
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They're just half-ass it.
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Okay, fair enough. But, you know, back to the wheelie
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bins for our friends over on the other side of
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the pond, I guess.
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You know, it's a good invention because used to you
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had to haul– you know, five, six cans out to
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the street.
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Right. It's so much easier just.
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To lean that sucker back and wheel it out there.
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Oh, no, I appreciate the wheels. It's like the suitcases
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with the wheels makes life a lot easier.
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Right.
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But but the thing is that weird anomalies do pop up. Now,
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I've had different experiences with this, by the way, where,
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you know, like there's a house. Nobody lives in it.
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Right.
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So you got too much garbage in somebody's place or whatever,
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and people wind up using their can up because the
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can sits there even when the place is abandoned or
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it's not being rented or whatever.
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Well, now we have to do that when it comes
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to yard debris. You trim your hedges or you trim
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this tree or you have limbs come down in the storm. See,
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that's where we're at now. That's the part we're going
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to start complaining about the price increase on is because
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they have lessened our service.
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But they're going to want to increase our garbage pickup.
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And part of that is picking up the yard debris
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that now they want to nitpick over.
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So that's what we do.
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If you've got more than 10 bags of leaves, you
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find your neighbor that doesn't have any, and you go
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put whatever's over 10 in front.
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Of their house, your extra in front of their place.
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Oh yeah. We've already worked it out. I've talked to
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my neighbor across the street, my neighbor on both sides.
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It's like, if anybody's full, Go put them there. You know,
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nobody will complain because we know how it is.
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No, listen, as long as the guy's cool with it, whatever.
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But the funny thing is, yeah, everybody is being charged
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like by the property. But I've seen places that are,
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you know, abandoned, like literally there's no ownership on the house.
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Nobody's paying anything.
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Right.
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And still they're picking up stuff. And I'm saying to myself, well,
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that's a perfect place to dispose of randomness. You know
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what I mean? And even the heavy pickups, which that's
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another thing they want to charge you now, if you
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try and get rid of a piece of furniture.
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Oh, now, see, they don't pick up furniture here, and
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that's where they nail a lot of people. They'll stick
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a couch or an old set of shelves or something
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or an old TV consoles we used to have. They
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will set one of those out there, and they'll get
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a note stuck to it. We do not pick these
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items up. You're responsible to take them to the dump.
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Okay.
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But, you know, it's funny.
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I told myself I'd never move into a place that
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had an HOA agreement just because they could be too picky. Well,
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Grifton– has suddenly started turning into their own little HOA board.
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And they're starting to complain about things. That's one of
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the complaints I went to them with when I complained
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about the garbage pickup.
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I said, look, you know, you.
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Guys tell us we're responsible for upkeeping our property. And
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if we don't upkeep our property, you can fine us.
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We can't burn because you've banned burning in the city limits.
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Right.
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You can't have a burn barrel. You can't mulch this
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stuff and collect it on your property because it becomes
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a nuisance and we have to remove it. So we're
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trying to get it off our property, but you refuse
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to pick it up.
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Right.
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You made this rule. You need to stick by your rule,
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especially since you're charging us.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. But the weird thing that I was
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trying to get to is something you just struck on,
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which is, you know, there used to be these collective
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agreements in like, you know, developments or whatever, where everybody
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had to behave a certain way. You couldn't paint your
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house certain colors. Everybody has to, you know, maintain their
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sidewalk area and a whole bit.
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Right.
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And there were these mutual agreements. And yeah, you'd get
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fined if you let your grass get too high. There
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used to be a guy that would go around in
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some places, you know, with a ruler, literally go, OK,
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grass gets up this high. They get a fine or whatever.
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And you got to build a pay. Right. And OK,
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I get it. And that's fine. And you can do
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that in a community. But, you know, it's almost like
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they've started enforcing that sort of behavior everywhere. And all
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it's turned into is a slush fund. Where does that
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money go?
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Right.
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Number one. But number two, I mean, like they're still
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charging us money. And, you know, now you have like
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a like where I'm at. There's a combined bill right
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where it's like my sewage is combined with now water
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is separate. Water and sewage are actually separate. But then
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there's sort of another sewage bill. That comes along with
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the garbage.
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That's your stormwater bill.
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Yeah, there you go.
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So you've got the same thing here. On every month
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you pay on one bill, you have your water, and
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they charge your sewer based.
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On the amount of water you use.
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Yeah, okay.
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So let's say I went out there and watered my
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yard every day, and I was using, let's say I
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was using 2,000 gallons a day.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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They would charge me a sewer fee on that 2,000
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unless I could prove that I watered my yard with
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that amount.
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Because it's not going in the sewer.
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Yeah, we talked about this with the swimming pool. Yeah,
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with the swimming pool.
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Yeah, so now they hit you with stormwater feet. Now,
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there's a culvert under the road, and there's yard inlets
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running up and down my street. There's one in my
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neighbor's yard, and then there's not another one all the
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way down.
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To the corner. Okay.
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One two three four houses down to the corner there's
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no other yard inlets for storm water that hits your
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yard to run in this thing and run off right
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now i pay a storm water fee but every bit
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of the water that hits my yard soaks into my
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yard there's very little runoff from my yard down the
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street okay or into my neighbor okay these are all
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nice flat you know, yards. There's a little bit of
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topography of mine out back, but it still runs back
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on to me. It doesn't run off onto someone else,
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but I still have to pay a stormwater fee.
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Well, see, but here's the overall point I'm trying to
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get at, which is weird to me, is that at
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one point in recent history, you didn't get charged all
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this stuff, right? No. So they monetized everything, but monetizing
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all that didn't really bring your taxes under control, your
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local property taxes, did it?
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No, not at all.
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So, you know, it's just a new additional thing that
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was added for the same stuff that was provided before, right?
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Yeah.
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And they just monetized it. And the more they subdivide it,
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monetize it and, you know, farm it out, which is
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another thing that gets done, even in communities where or
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towns where they got, you know, you can only buy
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electricity like they did in Kinston. You could only buy
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electricity from Kinston, the town. Right.
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Yeah.
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And they would come around. And if you didn't pay
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your bill, they'd come around and literally cut off your
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electricity and shut off your water because the whole thing
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was through the town.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Now they can do it. They don't have to come
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out to your place. They can do it from downtown.
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Right. And like people might not know this, but like
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there was literally like a little tiny like like a
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mini manhole cover in every yard in Kinston. OK, every
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yard in front of every building was this like little
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tiny like like part of a manhole cover that was
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locked down with a special key that only the township
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was supposed to be able to open. And yeah, they
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would literally come by with a wrench. And turn you off. Yeah. Okay.
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Yeah. In fact, they hear. That's what happened to me
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when I first got into this house. I was working
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out of town, almost out of state. It was far
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enough away.
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Right.
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And I came and I put down my deposit. And
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here they read the meters on like around the 15th.
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Okay.
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And then they send the bill out and you have
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to have it paid by the 15th of the next month.
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Okay.
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Or they shut your water off. So where I used
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to live. You can go two and a half months
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before you got a cutoff notice.
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Okay.
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Now, where I used to live, my water never cost–
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when I moved in there, it was like $ 11. 75 a
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month for all the water you could use.
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Wow.
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That's a lot.
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And it went up– when I left, it was right
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around $ 13. But like I said, you put a deposit down.
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So they had a deposit of like 80 bucks.
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Right.
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So, you know, two bills was.
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Nothing unless you're really, you know, you got a family
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of five and you're running a ton of water.
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Right.
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It wasn't an issue.
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So when I get here, I went downtown. You have
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to put a deposit down. I gave several hundred dollars,
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put the deposit down. And the guy that handles cutting
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on and off the services, I knew back in high school.
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He was a friend of a friend of mine from here.
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And we used to party together. So he shows up
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at the house. Hey, how's it going?
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God, I haven't seen you in over 30 years.
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How you doing?
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How many kids you got?
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How's the wife?
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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He cuts the water on. I said, OK, give me
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five minutes. I walked inside. I made sure nothing was leaking. Right.
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I said, OK, now shut it off. And he shut
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it off. And I said, now let's watch the meter.
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Let's just make sure there's not a leak anywhere underground
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that I don't know about.
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The meter was fine.
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We stood there, smoked cigarettes, drank coffee for another 30,
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40 minutes.
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OK.
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And he left.
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I said, OK, I'm good to go.
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Knowing that I wasn't immediately moving in, but I needed
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water to clean up and do repairs and things like that.
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So I go off.
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You're going to want to use the toilet, too, while
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you're there setting up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Go ahead.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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So I come back. It's like I went and put
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the deposit down. I want to say it was on
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like the 20th of the month. And I knew I
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was going to be gone for a month.
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Okay.
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So I come back. It's like the... It's probably the 17th.
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I thought, what the hell? I come to the house
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and there's no water. So I go downtown. In fact,
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I took a day off from work. I go downtown.
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I go, what's my water shot up? Well, you didn't
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pay your bill. I said, what do you mean I
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didn't pay my bill? I came and gave you a
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huge deposit. I haven't even received a bill. Well, it
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was sent.
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Of course, when I get back to the house, there's
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a bill in the mailbox.
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In the mailbox.
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Yeah, the person I was supposed to pick up my
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mail wasn't picking up my mail.
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Okay.
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So I said, okay. I said, so what's the fee? Well,
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your bill was such– it was the basics, the bottom
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line price of everything, the trash, the water, the sewer,
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and everything.
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Right.
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I said, well, now, wait a minute. I said, could
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you show me my bill? So they printed off a
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copy of it. I'm looking at it, and I said,
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see right here where it says zero gallons used?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I said, so why am I being charged $ 14?
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For water.
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Well, that's the minimum, whether you use a gallon or not.
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I said, wait a minute.
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You didn't tell me there was a tap fee.
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Ooh, right.
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I said, if you're charging me a base amount and
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I don't use a single gallon of water, that means
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that I'm paying for the tap.
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I'm not paying for the water.
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That's right.
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Water is additional.
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Well, that's your tap fee and up to the first 5,000 gallons,
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I think it was, or 4,000 gallons.
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Yeah, but you're not going to get credit. Wait a minute.
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You're not going to get credit for the first 5,000
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gallons or whatever, though. If you don't use it for
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two months, it's not like, oh, I should have 10,000
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saved up from the last two months, right? Exactly. It
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doesn't roll over.
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You try to explain it to them, and they look
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at you like you're crazy. And I said, well, wait
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a minute. I said, so why did you cut off
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the water? Well, you didn't pay the bill by the 15th.
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I said— I said, when was or I didn't pay
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by the 17th. I said, when was the bill due?
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She said the 15th. Yeah.
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I said, you got a two day grace period before
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you shut off water.
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Yeah.
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And the city manager walked out. And I said, explain
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this to me. If my bill was due on the 15th,
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what are you doing shutting the water off on the 17th?
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Right.
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Well, how else am I going to get my money?
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I said, well, to begin with, motherfucker, it ain't your money.
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And you already got it.
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It's my money.
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And you already got it anyway because, you know, you
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got a deposit there. How about a grace period?
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Yeah, I had to remind him about that.
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So that's what they do. They send the bill out early.
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They send the bill out. You usually have your bill
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before the first of the month.
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Okay.
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And you have until the 15th to pay it. Now,
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there's a note on there.
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Then if they cut off your water, they're going to
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charge you a $ 45 reconnect fee because someone has to
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come out here and turn it back on.
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That's right.
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And it says in there, we may charge you this
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fee whether we physically cut off your water or not.
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Yeah, right.
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Yeah. I thought, so you guys never cut off... I said,
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here's the thing.
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You guys never cut off water, charge people $ 45. You
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never had to leave the office. But in my case,
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you made a special trip to go out there and
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cut that water off.
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Yep.
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Well, you know, we could... You know, we have somebody
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out there today to cut it back on, but it's
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going to cost this much. I said, I'm going to
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pay this bill. I said, but we're going to the
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city council meeting comes up next month. I'm raising holy
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hell over this. You guys are gouging people. I said,
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not only that, you've charged me trash pickup. And when
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I got to the house, my trash cans haven't been delivered.
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It's been a month.
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How can you charge me for trash pickup when I
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got nothing to put my trash in?
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I don't even have a can.
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Exactly.
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Oh, God. Yeah, this is, see, but this is what
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kills me, is all this monetization and all this bureaucracy, right,
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is wrapped around things that used to be just a
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given because somebody paid taxes. You know, even if you
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were a renter and you didn't pay tax, it was
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assumed the property owner paid property tax, right?
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Yeah.
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So somebody paid property tax for every single domicile, every
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single business, okay? And even then, you know, businesses had
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to get their own dumpsters. Okay, fine. So they get
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a private company to do it or they make an
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agreement with the town. They get a slightly bigger dumpster
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or whatever. A different truck comes out and picks those up, right? Yeah.
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on a different schedule, blah, blah. But the thing is,
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00:21:25.309 --> 00:21:30.309
they monetized, over-monetized, and then created redundancies and all kinds
500
00:21:30.349 --> 00:21:33.410
of little tricks that they're getting paid money for nothing.
501
00:21:34.410 --> 00:21:36.390
Oh, yeah. I got an even better one than that.
502
00:21:36.750 --> 00:21:37.109
Go ahead.
503
00:21:37.430 --> 00:21:41.039
There's a guy that lives, this house is down, it's
504
00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:43.019
down a half a block and then a block away.
505
00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:45.559
to the right and it sits on a corner right
506
00:21:45.859 --> 00:21:49.000
and this guy's family lived here since the civil war
507
00:21:49.059 --> 00:21:51.299
i think right i mean it's it was one of
508
00:21:51.339 --> 00:21:54.539
the old established families in this town this town's not
509
00:21:54.579 --> 00:21:58.859
very big well his parents died he moved off i
510
00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:02.819
think he's living he's either living in alaska or has
511
00:22:02.900 --> 00:22:06.829
moved back to michigan okay but in the upper part
512
00:22:06.869 --> 00:22:10.809
of michigan So he's not down here that often. Well,
513
00:22:11.069 --> 00:22:15.069
his parents died, and he inherited their house. And he
514
00:22:15.109 --> 00:22:17.210
didn't want to live here. He's making money working as
515
00:22:17.250 --> 00:22:20.559
a welder or something on piping, on pipe projects and that.
516
00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:22.819
This guy's making a killing living wherever he's living.
517
00:22:23.299 --> 00:22:23.980
He's living good.
518
00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:27.099
But he paid somebody down here to manage the property.
519
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:30.119
And over the years, the guy was renting it out.
520
00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:33.019
and only send him part of the money. He was
521
00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:35.400
keeping part of the money that he was supposed to
522
00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:38.990
keep for repairs and upgrades and things like that as
523
00:22:39.029 --> 00:22:42.049
a management company. He wasn't doing that. So the house
524
00:22:42.089 --> 00:22:46.369
started to fall into disrepair. Well, apparently he's not had
525
00:22:46.410 --> 00:22:48.390
a tenant in it because of the problems with the
526
00:22:48.450 --> 00:22:53.119
plumbing or something for the past several years. But the
527
00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:54.839
guy that was supposed to be taking care of it
528
00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:57.440
wasn't keeping up the property or making repairs to it.
529
00:22:57.460 --> 00:22:59.079
So the city sent him a notice saying.
530
00:22:59.849 --> 00:23:02.630
That they were going to default on the property and
531
00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:06.700
condemn the house and tear it down. So he comes
532
00:23:06.779 --> 00:23:09.279
screaming down here. He can only get down here about
533
00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:12.599
every once every five to six weeks because of his work.
534
00:23:12.980 --> 00:23:13.279
Right.
535
00:23:13.700 --> 00:23:16.279
But he was coming down and he was making repairs.
536
00:23:17.539 --> 00:23:22.009
Well, he's about three trips down over the year.
537
00:23:22.230 --> 00:23:23.730
He admitted down three times.
538
00:23:23.750 --> 00:23:27.849
Okay. To do repairs. At the end of the year,
539
00:23:28.269 --> 00:23:32.490
they tore the fucking house down. Wow. The city went in,
540
00:23:32.730 --> 00:23:35.029
knocked it down with front-end loaders, hauled it all the
541
00:23:35.309 --> 00:23:38.130
way in trucks, and charged him for it.
542
00:23:38.410 --> 00:23:38.859
Of course.
543
00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:42.059
Now, he's in the process of suing the shit out
544
00:23:42.140 --> 00:23:42.279
of them.
545
00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:43.819
Yeah, well— So we're.
546
00:23:43.740 --> 00:23:46.359
Probably going to see a legality fee tacked on our
547
00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:48.859
damn utility bill to cover the cost of them having
548
00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:51.319
to settle with this guy for knocking his parents' house in.
549
00:23:51.579 --> 00:23:53.359
Well, that's the thing. If they've got to give him
550
00:23:53.420 --> 00:23:55.180
a million dollars, you know you're going to get an
551
00:23:55.259 --> 00:23:57.680
explanation that, you know, now we have to have, you know,
552
00:23:57.740 --> 00:24:01.609
litigation funds, especially for you people that are trying to
553
00:24:01.650 --> 00:24:02.269
take us to court.
554
00:24:02.289 --> 00:24:06.150
We're going to start charging a pet licensing fee. We're
555
00:24:06.190 --> 00:24:09.509
going to start— probably they'll go back to start charging a
556
00:24:09.569 --> 00:24:13.779
licensing fee for any— car that is addressed.
557
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.279
Within the city limits. They used to sell license plates here.
558
00:24:17.339 --> 00:24:18.779
Kenston had them. Greenville had them.
559
00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.509
You had to buy a front license. You know, down
560
00:24:21.549 --> 00:24:22.950
in the south, you only have to have a tag
561
00:24:22.990 --> 00:24:23.609
on the back.
562
00:24:23.430 --> 00:24:24.190
In North Carolina.
563
00:24:24.289 --> 00:24:27.029
Yeah, in a lot of states. Yeah, Georgia as well.
564
00:24:27.049 --> 00:24:28.569
A lot of people don't know this. Yeah, you only
565
00:24:28.609 --> 00:24:30.869
need the rear tag. So the front tag in a
566
00:24:30.910 --> 00:24:33.470
lot of cases is vanity. People do whatever they want
567
00:24:33.509 --> 00:24:36.619
with it because anything they ID your car by is
568
00:24:36.730 --> 00:24:38.509
always just rear tag. That's it.
569
00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:38.859
Right.
570
00:24:38.900 --> 00:24:39.220
Go ahead.
571
00:24:39.259 --> 00:24:41.500
Well, see, used to years ago, they sold you a
572
00:24:41.539 --> 00:24:44.059
front tag. based on the town you were living in,
573
00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:44.900
like in Kenston.
574
00:24:45.089 --> 00:24:45.410
Okay.
575
00:24:45.670 --> 00:24:48.910
They were known for their water. They had excellent water.
576
00:24:48.950 --> 00:24:52.500
They had artesian wells that was, uh, providing all the
577
00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.910
water for Kenston. In fact, um, You know, that's what
578
00:24:56.950 --> 00:24:59.809
they had on the license plate, Kinston, and a number.
579
00:25:00.109 --> 00:25:03.170
And then it said, home of the perfect water or
580
00:25:03.210 --> 00:25:04.130
whatever the hell it was.
581
00:25:04.630 --> 00:25:06.619
Which, by the way, even when I lived there, the
582
00:25:06.670 --> 00:25:10.940
water quality was actually really good. Like, the best water
583
00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:14.660
quality I've found in the South thus far was in Kinston,
584
00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:17.839
which was not a rich area at all. You know
585
00:25:17.859 --> 00:25:20.819
what I'm saying? Like, they did maintain— I give them that. Like,
586
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:23.700
I didn't mind paying them the water bill, to be
587
00:25:23.740 --> 00:25:27.119
honest with you, because— The water was always solid. Wasn't
588
00:25:27.150 --> 00:25:29.319
a problem. The only time you got a problem is
589
00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:32.339
when you got anywhere near the date when I had
590
00:25:32.380 --> 00:25:35.000
my bill cut off early. I had to argue with
591
00:25:35.019 --> 00:25:38.609
them and have them refund me for charging me because
592
00:25:38.630 --> 00:25:41.529
they cut me off before my bill was due the
593
00:25:41.609 --> 00:25:43.950
one time. So I had to have them come back out.
594
00:25:44.029 --> 00:25:45.349
And then I had to fight with them over the
595
00:25:45.410 --> 00:25:47.839
charge that, you know, they physically somebody had to come
596
00:25:47.859 --> 00:25:50.819
back out. It was like twenty five bucks back then. Uh,
597
00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:53.480
I I'm sure it's more now, but the thing is
598
00:25:53.539 --> 00:25:55.289
they charge you 20 and I'm like, you guys made
599
00:25:55.309 --> 00:25:57.569
a mistake. Now you're charging me 25 for you to
600
00:25:57.609 --> 00:25:58.430
fix your mistake.
601
00:25:58.690 --> 00:25:58.890
No.
602
00:25:59.869 --> 00:26:02.259
Um, you know, but you, but if you don't battle
603
00:26:02.299 --> 00:26:04.799
with them and you don't got time to battle with them,
604
00:26:05.420 --> 00:26:07.190
Guess what? Most people are just going to pay that
605
00:26:07.230 --> 00:26:09.569
and move on. So they keep their water on. You
606
00:26:09.589 --> 00:26:11.690
know what I mean? Because if you don't pay that,
607
00:26:11.730 --> 00:26:12.450
if I want them.
608
00:26:12.910 --> 00:26:14.910
If I have them, if they have to come out
609
00:26:14.950 --> 00:26:16.950
here and cut my water on, they're going to charge
610
00:26:16.990 --> 00:26:17.990
me $ 45.
611
00:26:17.630 --> 00:26:17.849
Right.
612
00:26:18.230 --> 00:26:19.700
I take my wrench and go out there and cut
613
00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:23.180
it all for free. And when I made a comment
614
00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:25.140
to him that I'm out of town, it got so
615
00:26:25.220 --> 00:26:28.940
bad on these old meters and them over like last month,
616
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:36.930
my usage went from 415 gallons to the prior month
617
00:26:37.309 --> 00:26:39.910
to over 2000 gallons last month.
618
00:26:40.190 --> 00:26:41.269
I'd start looking for a leak.
619
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.279
Oh no, no, no, no, no. I figured out what
620
00:26:45.299 --> 00:26:45.740
they're doing.
621
00:26:45.980 --> 00:26:46.240
Okay.
622
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:50.099
We now have a water consortium in this area. You
623
00:26:50.140 --> 00:26:56.339
have to buy your water from Wausau, which is the something, something, something,
624
00:26:56.460 --> 00:27:04.480
something regional water service or authority. Um, They set up
625
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:08.440
this thing and the municipalities buy water from them. What
626
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.809
happens is, is they require your town to buy a
627
00:27:10.970 --> 00:27:11.950
certain amount.
628
00:27:12.809 --> 00:27:13.650
This is what you got to buy.
629
00:27:14.910 --> 00:27:17.250
So the town of Grifton, which is why they.
630
00:27:17.329 --> 00:27:19.369
That's how they justify, you know, that charge that they
631
00:27:19.390 --> 00:27:21.380
were telling you about, like the first, you know, whatever,
632
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.819
you're still going to pay 14 bucks. That's how they
633
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:26.740
justify that is that they got to buy a minimum anyway.
634
00:27:27.470 --> 00:27:30.880
So they allocate this minimum amount to everybody. So if
635
00:27:30.910 --> 00:27:32.859
you don't use a drop of water, you're still going
636
00:27:32.890 --> 00:27:35.420
to pay it because they need to pay the big bill.
637
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:37.960
Exactly. Well, that's what they're doing.
638
00:27:38.019 --> 00:27:40.759
What they're doing is they're taking, okay, all of our
639
00:27:40.819 --> 00:27:44.339
customer usage is this. We got to pay the bill
640
00:27:44.380 --> 00:27:48.559
for this. So we're short. And what they do, and
641
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:50.940
I'll swear to this in court, what they do is
642
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:54.029
they take that shortage that they got to come up with.
643
00:27:54.789 --> 00:27:57.990
and they divide it up, and they randomly go through customers,
644
00:27:58.250 --> 00:27:59.710
and they jack their usage up.
645
00:28:00.450 --> 00:28:05.359
Right, right. Because, look, they can justify it on the books,
646
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:09.259
like with bookkeeping shuffles, where they can charge water to
647
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:11.920
properties that don't even have water lines. They can do
648
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.240
that a little bit, even though there's nobody to deliver
649
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:17.220
the bill to, and they claim that it's an unpaid bill, right?
650
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.180
Well, not only that, you look at the amount of
651
00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:21.460
water that the city uses.
652
00:28:22.470 --> 00:28:24.140
The city doesn't play their part of it.
653
00:28:24.230 --> 00:28:26.309
They dump it off on everybody else.
654
00:28:26.549 --> 00:28:27.430
Well, there you go.
655
00:28:27.470 --> 00:28:30.710
We've had a huge project going on the past three
656
00:28:30.769 --> 00:28:33.109
months where they're replacing lines that have been in the
657
00:28:33.150 --> 00:28:35.849
ground since the 30s. So they're coming in and putting
658
00:28:35.890 --> 00:28:40.319
in new service lines and new valves. And the one
659
00:28:40.339 --> 00:28:42.539
around the corner from me was leaking for a week.
660
00:28:42.579 --> 00:28:45.140
And I called down City Hall and I said, look,
661
00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:47.819
you guys have a water leak in this new line
662
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:49.819
they put in. Well, how do you know? I said, well,
663
00:28:50.500 --> 00:28:53.019
It's been 100 degrees for a week. We haven't had
664
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.700
any rain in two weeks. There's a constant puddle consistently
665
00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.059
in this guy's front yard, and it ain't going down,
666
00:28:59.180 --> 00:29:01.400
and it ain't soaking in, and it ain't evaporating.
667
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:02.009
You got a leak.
668
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:07.410
Right. Sure enough, they wait four days. Guys walking around. Well,
669
00:29:07.430 --> 00:29:09.069
on my daily walk, and I walk by what I'm
670
00:29:09.109 --> 00:29:09.650
working on, I said.
671
00:29:09.769 --> 00:29:10.490
Oh, got a leak?
672
00:29:10.509 --> 00:29:11.130
Yeah, we found it.
673
00:29:11.130 --> 00:29:12.250
It was a leak at the new meter.
674
00:29:12.269 --> 00:29:12.930
Uh-huh.
675
00:29:12.950 --> 00:29:13.849
Uh-huh.
676
00:29:13.950 --> 00:29:17.299
Gee, glad I called four days ago. You think all
677
00:29:17.339 --> 00:29:18.380
that water is getting charged.
678
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.000
And meanwhile, that water is going to get charged to somebody. Exactly. See,
679
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:24.180
now here's a funny reality. And a lot of people
680
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:26.720
are going, OK, this is too old man bitching about stuff,
681
00:29:26.740 --> 00:29:29.579
you know, little things. But this is not a little thing.
682
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.869
This is massive because there was a point in recent history,
683
00:29:33.970 --> 00:29:36.599
I swear to you guys, and I was alive for it,
684
00:29:36.670 --> 00:29:40.089
where water was not a billable thing. It was just...
685
00:29:40.339 --> 00:29:44.079
part of the deal for basically having a town. The
686
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:47.940
town took in money, however it did, whether it was
687
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:52.710
through the cops ticketing people or whatever. They took in
688
00:29:52.769 --> 00:29:55.549
money and they took care of the maintenance on your
689
00:29:55.589 --> 00:30:00.269
water supply. So as a property owner, it just came
690
00:30:00.349 --> 00:30:03.670
along with the property. Now, electricity never did when I
691
00:30:03.710 --> 00:30:04.670
was alive, but yeah, go ahead.
692
00:30:05.390 --> 00:30:09.099
But then they started applying property taxes to all of
693
00:30:09.170 --> 00:30:12.160
the properties to get that money for the infrastructure. Now
694
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.200
it's down to individual service users.
695
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:16.240
Well, that's what they're doing.
696
00:30:16.259 --> 00:30:17.680
My bill went from an average of 400 to 500
697
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:28.470
gallons a month to last month, 2,030 gallons. I worked
698
00:30:28.509 --> 00:30:31.369
it out and there was exactly 30 days on the bill.
699
00:30:31.430 --> 00:30:35.529
That means I was using 67 gallons of water a day,
700
00:30:36.710 --> 00:30:38.630
every day for 30 days.
701
00:30:38.809 --> 00:30:39.109
Right.
702
00:30:39.349 --> 00:30:45.440
My buddy's swimming pool holds twice that amount. So what
703
00:30:45.460 --> 00:30:47.619
they're saying is I ran the equivalent of half of
704
00:30:47.700 --> 00:30:50.819
his swimming pool over what I normally use.
705
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:51.240
Yeah.
706
00:30:51.980 --> 00:30:53.880
And I told him, and that's their first thing they
707
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:54.319
hit you with.
708
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:56.220
Well, are you sure you don't have a leak?
709
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:01.910
Well, when my bill hit, three days later they replaced–
710
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.539
that's another grant project they had. They're replacing all those
711
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.500
old meters with electric meters, which are much easier to
712
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:09.720
read and.
713
00:31:09.299 --> 00:31:10.140
Much more accurate.
714
00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:12.460
But it gives them the ability to shut it off
715
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:14.960
down in the central office instead of having to come
716
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:15.490
out and do it.
717
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:17.380
What I've got to do is figure.
718
00:31:17.180 --> 00:31:20.880
Out how to turn it back on, overriding the central office.
719
00:31:20.900 --> 00:31:22.700
But here's the deal. Go ahead.
720
00:31:23.690 --> 00:31:25.609
I went to them with this first thing they said, well,
721
00:31:25.630 --> 00:31:27.279
are you sure you don't have a leak? I said, well,
722
00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:30.400
you put in my new meter three days or a
723
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:30.940
day ago.
724
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:31.440
Right.
725
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:33.859
I said, I went out and checked it and I
726
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.000
checked it today. I used 14 gallons in one day
727
00:31:37.019 --> 00:31:39.759
because I checked it at the same time. I said,
728
00:31:39.819 --> 00:31:42.200
if I had a leak in my system, it would
729
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.250
constantly be running.
730
00:31:44.470 --> 00:31:44.690
Right.
731
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:49.880
You know, so where's you can't fall back on that.
732
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:53.609
Why did you charge me fifteen hundred gallons over what
733
00:31:53.660 --> 00:31:54.369
I normally use?
734
00:31:55.509 --> 00:31:56.509
Well, I just don't know.
735
00:31:56.589 --> 00:31:58.230
I guess I said, could it be a problem with
736
00:31:58.309 --> 00:32:00.710
your meter or the fact it's being read by somebody
737
00:32:00.750 --> 00:32:02.910
driving down the street with an electronic box?
738
00:32:03.990 --> 00:32:04.910
Or maybe nobody.
739
00:32:04.930 --> 00:32:07.589
When we see it, she tells me usually when we
740
00:32:07.609 --> 00:32:09.650
see a discrepancy that's that big from month to month,
741
00:32:09.670 --> 00:32:10.710
we send them out to recheck it.
742
00:32:10.730 --> 00:32:13.480
I said, did they come out and recheck it? I
743
00:32:13.500 --> 00:32:15.220
don't think so. There's no notation here.
744
00:32:15.660 --> 00:32:15.880
Right.
745
00:32:16.019 --> 00:32:17.759
So you just went ahead and fucking billed me.
746
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:22.200
Yeah, but. Right. Go ahead. Because ultimately, I'm going to
747
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.950
get to a final point on this. But go ahead.
748
00:32:27.670 --> 00:32:30.470
Well, I mean, that's my final point. You know, that's
749
00:32:30.529 --> 00:32:32.819
what they're doing is they're taking this overage every month
750
00:32:32.859 --> 00:32:36.079
and they're just scattering it because there's a group. There's
751
00:32:36.099 --> 00:32:39.920
a group page on Facebook for the town that everybody
752
00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:43.759
is the sounding board. And every month you see people
753
00:32:43.819 --> 00:32:44.079
on there.
754
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:45.599
Man, they doubled my rate.
755
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:47.849
It went from $ 2, 000 a month to $ 4, 000 a month.
756
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:49.630
And it went from here and it went from there.
757
00:32:49.990 --> 00:32:54.609
And it's not the same people. And it's always random.
758
00:32:54.930 --> 00:32:58.049
And it's some weird amount, like five times the amount
759
00:32:58.089 --> 00:32:58.670
you used.
760
00:32:59.009 --> 00:32:59.190
Right.
761
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:03.619
Four times the amount you used. Not you used 200
762
00:33:03.619 --> 00:33:06.740
gallons more. Not you used 500 gallon more.
763
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:08.359
It's always thousands.
764
00:33:08.859 --> 00:33:09.099
Right.
765
00:33:09.460 --> 00:33:11.589
And that's what I think they're doing is they're taking
766
00:33:11.609 --> 00:33:14.609
that shortage every month and they're just randomly scattering it
767
00:33:14.710 --> 00:33:21.420
through the customers. And strangely enough, If you're outside the
768
00:33:21.460 --> 00:33:24.180
town limits and you're on their water system, you pay double.
769
00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:27.940
Your fees are actually double what someone in the city
770
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:33.690
limits is. Nobody ever complains that's outside the city limits
771
00:33:33.750 --> 00:33:38.170
that their meters are reading these astronomical things because those
772
00:33:38.210 --> 00:33:41.430
people really would be raising hell. You're going to charge
773
00:33:41.470 --> 00:33:47.960
me double the city rate for 3,500 gallons I didn't use? Because, see,
774
00:33:47.980 --> 00:33:49.920
your sewer bill is connected also.
775
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:51.579
Right.
776
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.329
So that 2,000 gallons overage that I'm paying for, I'm
777
00:33:54.380 --> 00:33:57.730
also paying for sewer charges for that 2,000 gallons of water.
778
00:33:59.109 --> 00:34:02.150
Well, but here's another thing, is I don't know how
779
00:34:02.190 --> 00:34:05.849
many times over you're actually paying for this thing that
780
00:34:05.890 --> 00:34:08.630
you used to not pay for or that was part
781
00:34:08.690 --> 00:34:12.449
of the collective bargain, right? Because, again, whatever the township
782
00:34:12.489 --> 00:34:15.789
was collecting, however it did it, Used to be they
783
00:34:15.809 --> 00:34:18.949
maintained these things. That was it. There wasn't a profit.
784
00:34:18.989 --> 00:34:22.139
There wasn't a system. There wasn't the tracking. There wasn't.
785
00:34:22.539 --> 00:34:26.039
And the digital meters suck, too, anyway, because remotely they
786
00:34:26.059 --> 00:34:28.269
can change your amount whether you pump the drop of
787
00:34:28.309 --> 00:34:32.909
water or not. So, you know, nobody advertises that, but
788
00:34:32.949 --> 00:34:35.730
they can reset, change the amount, do all kinds of things,
789
00:34:36.230 --> 00:34:38.909
push of a button in the office over there. And
790
00:34:38.929 --> 00:34:42.409
by the way, that office usually is not even equipped
791
00:34:42.429 --> 00:34:45.869
with a meter that anybody's counting or charging for. OK,
792
00:34:46.409 --> 00:34:47.230
the city office.
793
00:34:47.289 --> 00:34:47.489
Right.
794
00:34:48.409 --> 00:34:51.670
So, you know, for the city office, they can still
795
00:34:51.710 --> 00:34:55.349
do it and they just make it part of the deal. Right. OK.
796
00:34:55.369 --> 00:34:55.710
Yeah.
797
00:34:55.849 --> 00:35:00.269
You know, these things, they got more ways to. They
798
00:35:00.289 --> 00:35:02.690
got more ways to screw you than you can turn around.
799
00:35:02.989 --> 00:35:08.059
And it's just– it's any town politics and the way
800
00:35:08.099 --> 00:35:09.139
they go about this crap.
801
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:10.199
But that's my point.
802
00:35:10.219 --> 00:35:12.679
It seems to be a thriving little town, and they're
803
00:35:12.699 --> 00:35:14.019
trying to build it back up.
804
00:35:14.179 --> 00:35:14.500
Right.
805
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.860
Because once DuPont died, this town died.
806
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:18.440
Yeah.
807
00:35:18.460 --> 00:35:22.690
Well– They're starting to see housing prices go up because
808
00:35:23.269 --> 00:35:26.409
Greenville is moving south, and it's taking over Winterville, and
809
00:35:26.469 --> 00:35:29.130
it's taking over Aiden, and we're next on the list.
810
00:35:29.710 --> 00:35:32.369
So you see these property taxes or property values start
811
00:35:32.409 --> 00:35:37.860
going through the roof for cracker boxes, and the town's
812
00:35:37.900 --> 00:35:41.940
going to try to take advantage of that. And it's
813
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.059
still not going to bring us the businesses and that
814
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:45.239
that we used to have here.
815
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:45.940
And it's a shame.
816
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:49.119
Yeah, but I guarantee you a full accounting of this
817
00:35:49.179 --> 00:35:51.940
would show that you've actually paid for this three times over.
818
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:53.400
You personally.
819
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:55.420
I'm trying to find a way to get them to
820
00:35:55.460 --> 00:35:57.409
have to open the books on this water deal.
821
00:35:57.550 --> 00:35:59.949
Yeah, because if they did, I'm telling you right now,
822
00:36:00.070 --> 00:36:04.349
between the funding, the grants, the actual bills collected. And
823
00:36:04.409 --> 00:36:06.630
I mean, even if you have a bunch of delinquencies
824
00:36:06.690 --> 00:36:11.050
in the pile, I'm telling you, they monetize the delinquencies, too. Because,
825
00:36:11.170 --> 00:36:14.210
you know, they give those to another company. They sell off. Like,
826
00:36:14.230 --> 00:36:16.739
let's just say you don't pay your water bill and
827
00:36:16.780 --> 00:36:18.860
they assess that you owed them two months and then
828
00:36:18.900 --> 00:36:21.440
they cut you off. OK, now you got a dead
829
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:24.659
delinquent bill there. They sell that to an outside company
830
00:36:25.619 --> 00:36:27.579
and they get money for that, too. So, you know,
831
00:36:27.619 --> 00:36:31.019
don't ever think they're not collecting somehow. And the thing is,
832
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:34.139
they're still collecting the property tax. They're still collecting revenues,
833
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:38.340
like I said, through parking meters, through cops writing tickets.
834
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:41.360
And believe me, they're taking care of the budgets for
835
00:36:41.380 --> 00:36:43.079
the cops. They're taking care of the budgets for the
836
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.980
maintenance of the parking meters. OK, the maintenance of the
837
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:50.170
sidewalks and all this other stuff. No problem. And somehow
838
00:36:50.230 --> 00:36:53.150
these towns have figured out a way to triple charge you, basically,
839
00:36:53.170 --> 00:36:56.469
because they could cover that water bill still the old way.
840
00:36:57.449 --> 00:37:00.489
You know, where there's a collective bargain about that sort
841
00:37:00.530 --> 00:37:03.639
of basket of funds that comes together from the various
842
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:07.679
revenue sources, you know, charging for permits. You know, you
843
00:37:07.699 --> 00:37:09.280
got a piece of property, you got a park piece
844
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:11.860
of property. OK, fine. We need to have somebody go
845
00:37:11.900 --> 00:37:14.920
and cut the grass in the park. OK, I get it. Or,
846
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.360
you know, put some stuff on it to suppress the grass.
847
00:37:17.780 --> 00:37:20.260
You create, you know, a dirt area, this and that.
848
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.960
And then you do the wood chips, whatever. And it's
849
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.730
low maintenance. All right. But the thing is, all this
850
00:37:26.780 --> 00:37:29.920
stuff they're collecting, they're still collecting all that which they
851
00:37:30.019 --> 00:37:32.480
used to, and they would cover the water bill.
852
00:37:33.340 --> 00:37:33.880
No more.
853
00:37:34.179 --> 00:37:36.679
Now you're paying for the water, the sewage. And I'm
854
00:37:36.699 --> 00:37:38.159
telling you, they're going to come up with a way
855
00:37:38.179 --> 00:37:41.090
for you to, like, have to pay for the air. Okay, well,
856
00:37:41.130 --> 00:37:42.650
we're maintaining the air quality.
857
00:37:42.949 --> 00:37:47.050
I don't know. I think the only thing keeping them
858
00:37:47.070 --> 00:37:48.570
from doing that is they haven't found a way to
859
00:37:48.610 --> 00:37:48.949
meter it.
860
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:53.239
But they will, because if they say we maintain a
861
00:37:53.300 --> 00:37:56.739
certain quality of air, because I've already seen this theoretically
862
00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:01.380
presented as as a model. I forget, like some weird,
863
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:03.860
obscure nation in Europe that I can't even think of
864
00:38:03.909 --> 00:38:06.659
the name, like one one area of like, you know,
865
00:38:06.699 --> 00:38:09.449
something that broke off of another country and became this country.
866
00:38:10.030 --> 00:38:13.429
Nobody ever hears about, OK, has, you know, no military.
867
00:38:14.130 --> 00:38:14.449
All right.
868
00:38:15.309 --> 00:38:18.269
They're under a protectorate agreement of the larger nation that
869
00:38:18.289 --> 00:38:24.679
they have seceded from. This nation has an air quality standard, okay?
870
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:26.460
And this is, you know, part of the scam on
871
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:30.860
the climate. And eventually, this will probably emerge everywhere because
872
00:38:30.889 --> 00:38:34.750
they always test things locally before it goes global. And
873
00:38:34.789 --> 00:38:38.730
they just basically say, we plant bushes, right? And we
874
00:38:38.750 --> 00:38:43.460
do other stuff to mitigate pollution. You have to pay
875
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:46.219
us to maintain the bushes, right? And to do these
876
00:38:46.300 --> 00:38:48.840
other things. We also, you know, like spray for certain
877
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:52.489
pests so that you're not overrun by mosquitoes or whatever, right?
878
00:38:52.530 --> 00:38:56.110
During certain seasons. All that stuff, they turn around and
879
00:38:56.150 --> 00:39:00.989
they now have an air quality bill that they assess
880
00:39:01.070 --> 00:39:05.510
to every resident. So every address gets, you know, this
881
00:39:05.550 --> 00:39:08.949
supposed bill. Now, it's a small bill right now. But again,
882
00:39:09.170 --> 00:39:10.110
water bills.
883
00:39:10.730 --> 00:39:12.809
If I'm not mistaken, I may be wrong, but I
884
00:39:12.829 --> 00:39:17.909
think Switzerland already has... That in place, and I'm trying
885
00:39:17.929 --> 00:39:21.320
to remember, they were going through a bunch of referendums. Now,
886
00:39:21.380 --> 00:39:23.880
this is the thing about Switzerland that I find unique.
887
00:39:23.980 --> 00:39:25.639
Yeah, now Switzerland was what I was going to bring
888
00:39:25.699 --> 00:39:27.469
up next, but go ahead. Yeah, yeah, talk about that.
889
00:39:28.630 --> 00:39:31.139
If the political system over there, if you come up
890
00:39:31.179 --> 00:39:35.679
with enough signatures, then you can get a referendum nationwide.
891
00:39:35.739 --> 00:39:36.719
For anything.
892
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:38.460
For the next election.
893
00:39:38.659 --> 00:39:39.460
Yeah.
894
00:39:39.659 --> 00:39:40.559
And it can be anything.
895
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:42.300
In fact, one of the big ones when I was
896
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.039
over there was, and they've done this several times, somebody
897
00:39:47.059 --> 00:39:53.550
came up with the resolution that Company CEOs could not
898
00:39:53.730 --> 00:39:58.489
make more than 10 times the lowest paid employee at
899
00:39:58.510 --> 00:40:03.300
a company. And that one's been on the ballot multiple
900
00:40:03.340 --> 00:40:06.079
times since I came back over to the States.
901
00:40:07.780 --> 00:40:08.579
So for the.
902
00:40:08.539 --> 00:40:13.260
Past 12 to 15 years, it's been a thing over there.
903
00:40:13.300 --> 00:40:16.829
Almost every year or two, it'll come up. People will
904
00:40:16.849 --> 00:40:17.750
sign that petition.
905
00:40:17.769 --> 00:40:17.869
Right.
906
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:20.739
I mean, that's a democracy where you can get things
907
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:22.460
voted on on a national ballot.
908
00:40:22.659 --> 00:40:25.159
Which, by the way, is an intelligent strategy when you
909
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:28.320
turn around and you do that, because that bootstraps up
910
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:32.820
everybody on the bottom. OK, because the CEO that wants
911
00:40:32.860 --> 00:40:35.340
to get 10 million dollars, OK, is still going to
912
00:40:35.380 --> 00:40:38.019
want to get their 10 million. And if they got
913
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:42.820
to pay 10 percent of that to the lowest possible guy. Well, gee,
914
00:40:42.949 --> 00:40:46.750
that raises people's salaries, doesn't it? You know what I mean?
915
00:40:46.869 --> 00:40:49.570
So either you got to lower the CEOs and all
916
00:40:49.590 --> 00:40:51.820
their bonuses or you got to raise up the guy
917
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:54.639
on the bottom and it pulls everybody up, you know,
918
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:57.989
right along the line. Right. So that's kind of a
919
00:40:58.030 --> 00:41:01.659
way to create an equilibrium. And it's intelligent. And I
920
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.239
think people should vote on stuff like that. That's a
921
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:08.420
regulation I can get behind. But what's interesting to me is, yeah,
922
00:41:08.460 --> 00:41:10.489
they did this air quality thing and they have a
923
00:41:10.530 --> 00:41:13.789
couple of different regulations that are similar to this whole
924
00:41:13.829 --> 00:41:17.949
like we're keeping your air clean bill. Again, you know,
925
00:41:17.969 --> 00:41:20.869
they plant the bushes, they kill off pests, they whatever
926
00:41:20.909 --> 00:41:24.369
it is, they're managing the air around you. And since
927
00:41:24.389 --> 00:41:28.130
you're a resident, here's your equal share. Now, like I said,
928
00:41:28.190 --> 00:41:30.880
with the water bill, when water bills first emerged, they
929
00:41:30.889 --> 00:41:34.340
were no big deal. It was like, you know, $ 5
930
00:41:34.300 --> 00:41:36.980
a month or whatever for everybody. I mean, it was
931
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.420
like one of those like, eh, it's no big deal.
932
00:41:39.539 --> 00:41:42.519
It's a small fee, you know, sort of like ATM
933
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.139
fees when they were only a dollar and it was
934
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:48.579
only if you withdrew cash, right? Everybody went, well, it's
935
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:50.619
a dollar. So, you know, look, you got to pay
936
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.179
a guy to have electricity for the ATM or whatever. Okay.
937
00:41:54.250 --> 00:41:58.110
But nowadays, as with all things, you know, greed, pushing
938
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:01.159
it to the limits that you can and everything else
939
00:42:01.260 --> 00:42:04.079
and justification and duplication.
940
00:42:04.659 --> 00:42:04.860
Right.
941
00:42:04.900 --> 00:42:08.619
Where you have redundant charges throughout all of these things.
942
00:42:09.500 --> 00:42:11.460
Now you're paying for things, I swear to God, three,
943
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:16.159
four times over, you know, based on different justifications. And
944
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:18.420
eventually they're going to do this to our air and
945
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.929
just say, listen, we maintain the air. So you all
946
00:42:22.010 --> 00:42:24.570
owe us five bucks and everybody's going to go, it's
947
00:42:24.630 --> 00:42:27.550
five bucks. They spray for mosquitoes or whatever it is
948
00:42:27.590 --> 00:42:30.840
you care about. Right. Or they planted, you know, they
949
00:42:30.860 --> 00:42:33.420
planted a bunch of trees which took care of the
950
00:42:33.500 --> 00:42:36.900
the automobile, you know, exhaust. Right. Whatever, whatever it is.
951
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.190
Or they planted stuff to take care of noise pollution.
952
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.099
which is another issue, right? Well, they actually built a wall,
953
00:42:44.179 --> 00:42:48.670
which keeps the highway from roaring past the houses, sound-wise.
954
00:42:48.690 --> 00:42:52.920
They cut down on noise pollution, all that stuff. Well, yeah, okay, fine.
955
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:56.980
A token fee, all good. But every time the bureaucracy
956
00:42:57.019 --> 00:43:01.289
gets a hold of it, And they start privatizing and
957
00:43:01.369 --> 00:43:05.349
mixing things up and creating these, you know, weird snafus
958
00:43:05.409 --> 00:43:07.710
in the rules, like, you know, with you getting charged and,
959
00:43:08.130 --> 00:43:10.050
you know, a two day grace period on water you
960
00:43:10.090 --> 00:43:12.030
didn't even use and everything else.
961
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:12.510
Right.
962
00:43:13.659 --> 00:43:15.920
By the time they're done with you, you're paying for
963
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:19.699
everything like triple, like three times you could have paid
964
00:43:19.739 --> 00:43:22.820
for this in the system. And they just keep stacking
965
00:43:22.940 --> 00:43:23.320
onto it.
966
00:43:24.230 --> 00:43:26.070
Yeah, I mean, that's what killed me about them.
967
00:43:26.260 --> 00:43:28.179
Oh, we're going to charge you for a full month's
968
00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:31.800
worth of water. Well, but I didn't use any.
969
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:32.559
Right.
970
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:36.260
And then you hit them with, well, then give me
971
00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:38.820
a credit on my next bill because I didn't use
972
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.909
up to whatever the minimum is before it jumps to
973
00:43:41.949 --> 00:43:44.409
the maximum rate. Credit my bill.
974
00:43:45.070 --> 00:43:46.829
No, we can't do that. Why not?
975
00:43:47.989 --> 00:43:50.769
Well, because you use the month. I don't use damn thing.
976
00:43:50.789 --> 00:43:52.630
Your own bill says I didn't pump a single gallon
977
00:43:52.670 --> 00:43:55.139
of water. And how in the hell did it go
978
00:43:55.179 --> 00:43:57.400
down the sewer if it didn't come out of the tap?
979
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:00.320
There you go. And that's the problem, right? And this
980
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.019
is why I often lean into, you know what, I
981
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:07.030
trust gangsterism more than I do government. Because at least
982
00:44:07.070 --> 00:44:10.929
with gangsters, if you pay them, there's usually something you
983
00:44:10.969 --> 00:44:14.590
got for paying them, okay? They don't just charge you
984
00:44:14.690 --> 00:44:18.539
for nothing. Except in the cases of, you know, listen,
985
00:44:18.579 --> 00:44:21.059
we'll charge you not to break your windows. I get that.
986
00:44:21.219 --> 00:44:25.679
But at the same time, OK, you did get something.
987
00:44:25.699 --> 00:44:27.340
We'll charge you not to break your balls.
988
00:44:27.550 --> 00:44:30.309
Yeah, that too. Right. But see, government doesn't even play
989
00:44:30.349 --> 00:44:32.829
that way. Whether they break your balls or not, you're
990
00:44:32.849 --> 00:44:34.869
still going to get charged. You're still going to get charged.
991
00:44:34.969 --> 00:44:36.949
You know what I mean? Whether your windows got broken
992
00:44:36.989 --> 00:44:38.829
or not, you're still going to get charged and they're
993
00:44:38.849 --> 00:44:41.889
going to charge you three times. At least with a gangster,
994
00:44:41.929 --> 00:44:45.000
he tells you what the loan shark fee is. You
995
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.199
know what I mean? It's like, yeah, this is 8%
996
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:49.789
every week. That's the way that's going to work. Or
997
00:44:49.789 --> 00:44:52.690
12% every week, depending on the amount you borrowed and,
998
00:44:52.730 --> 00:44:55.289
you know, what the purpose was and exactly how much
999
00:44:55.329 --> 00:44:57.469
of a scumbag the guy is, whatever it is. Your
1000
00:44:57.550 --> 00:45:00.070
vig is laid out to you. You can do the math.
1001
00:45:01.150 --> 00:45:03.389
And that's the way it is. They don't turn around
1002
00:45:03.429 --> 00:45:05.050
and go, oh, by the way, since we had to
1003
00:45:05.429 --> 00:45:08.679
hire some new guys, now you have a collection fee
1004
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:13.659
on top of the, you know, on top of your vigorous, okay?
1005
00:45:15.050 --> 00:45:18.010
At least with gangsters, it's laid out. You know what
1006
00:45:18.050 --> 00:45:22.329
you got yourself into one way or another. OK, but
1007
00:45:22.409 --> 00:45:27.110
with government, they will just invent new ways to again
1008
00:45:27.210 --> 00:45:29.670
charge you for the same thing they were already supposed
1009
00:45:29.710 --> 00:45:32.539
to be giving you. That's the killer part of this
1010
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:36.039
that always bothers me. I'm sorry, but that's why I
1011
00:45:36.420 --> 00:45:39.199
have that attitude. And I see it over and over again.
1012
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:41.820
It's like court fees. They go on, you know, where
1013
00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:43.340
it's like, well, you know, we have to maintain the
1014
00:45:43.380 --> 00:45:45.360
court buildings and we'd have to pay, you know, the
1015
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:49.260
bailiffs and yeah. Okay. I get it. But you realize
1016
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.869
you're charging me four times to do something once, right?
1017
00:45:53.030 --> 00:45:56.389
Now it doesn't matter. You know, it's sort of like, well,
1018
00:45:56.409 --> 00:45:58.289
you know, this other thing is supposed to like the
1019
00:45:58.329 --> 00:46:00.929
toll booths in Jersey. They were supposed to be temporary.
1020
00:46:03.130 --> 00:46:05.449
That was supposed to be a temporary thing to pay for.
1021
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.670
for putting in the main artery that we call the
1022
00:46:09.710 --> 00:46:12.829
Garden State Parkway, that some people just call the parkway.
1023
00:46:12.849 --> 00:46:15.130
And it's the one with the exits on it. Like
1024
00:46:15.170 --> 00:46:17.010
what exit number do you live at in Jersey if
1025
00:46:17.050 --> 00:46:19.769
you ever heard of it? Well, anyway, and believe me,
1026
00:46:19.849 --> 00:46:22.030
I knew exactly where all my friends were based on
1027
00:46:22.050 --> 00:46:24.949
the mile markers on the Garden State Parkway. But the
1028
00:46:25.010 --> 00:46:28.110
toll booths and the toll system was meant to be
1029
00:46:28.170 --> 00:46:30.530
there just to pay off the building of the roads
1030
00:46:31.469 --> 00:46:37.500
and then the maintenance of the roads. And even though
1031
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:41.280
they've taken away jobs, the toll collectors are not there anymore, right?
1032
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:45.059
You have automated tags. You have automated systems. I don't
1033
00:46:45.099 --> 00:46:47.900
even think you can throw quarters into a basket anymore
1034
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:50.420
and actually have it register like you used to. I
1035
00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:53.300
think you have to have a digital tag now, okay?
1036
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:55.079
And if you try and blow by and not pay
1037
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:57.960
them or whatever, you'll get a ticket mailed to whatever
1038
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.179
your license plate is attached to, okay?
1039
00:47:01.090 --> 00:47:03.309
Oh, yeah, I got hit with that one time on
1040
00:47:03.329 --> 00:47:06.809
the belt line around Raleigh, or the outer belt line.
1041
00:47:06.829 --> 00:47:08.409
They have tolls now. Oh, yeah.
1042
00:47:08.570 --> 00:47:11.639
And a friend of mine was working at a huge
1043
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:18.389
construction site on— it was over near the EPA— layout in
1044
00:47:18.429 --> 00:47:19.409
the research triangle.
1045
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:21.980
He was at this, I forget which business it was.
1046
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:24.579
Anyway, they were having to do paving on this and
1047
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:28.139
put in a fitness track around the whole site for
1048
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:31.300
the employees. And he had never worked with asphalt before.
1049
00:47:31.340 --> 00:47:33.300
So I took him an old manual that I had
1050
00:47:34.019 --> 00:47:36.570
and dropped it off. Well, where his exit was, if
1051
00:47:36.610 --> 00:47:39.710
you left his place where he was working and went
1052
00:47:39.769 --> 00:47:44.030
to the right, you immediately hit the belt line. But
1053
00:47:44.130 --> 00:47:46.989
you hit right at the end of the toll section.
1054
00:47:47.889 --> 00:47:49.949
If you took a left, you could drive through town
1055
00:47:50.010 --> 00:47:51.610
and get to it going around your ass to get
1056
00:47:51.630 --> 00:47:52.170
to your elbow.
1057
00:47:52.889 --> 00:47:55.659
So I took the right and I hit the belt line.
1058
00:47:55.780 --> 00:47:58.980
About four days later, I get a letter show up
1059
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:06.340
from the DOT commission wanting 35 cents for using that
1060
00:48:06.579 --> 00:48:10.480
one little several hundred foot section of roadway before the
1061
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:13.579
tolls dropped off. I said, you got to be kidding me.
1062
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:14.119
I called him up.
1063
00:48:14.179 --> 00:48:15.599
I said, you charge me 35 cents.
1064
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:17.920
Yeah. I said, it costs you more to mail this
1065
00:48:17.980 --> 00:48:20.050
fucking letter than your 35 cents.
1066
00:48:21.250 --> 00:48:21.710
Oh, we know.
1067
00:48:23.010 --> 00:48:24.150
I said, so what do you want me to do?
1068
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.760
write a check 35 cents you can you know use
1069
00:48:27.820 --> 00:48:30.280
our website fuck that i took the letter and put
1070
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.880
a quarter and a dime and taped it to it
1071
00:48:33.539 --> 00:48:35.300
took a picture of it and then sent it in
1072
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:36.820
the mail and then called them up i said i've
1073
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.199
already put my money in the mail it's coming to
1074
00:48:39.260 --> 00:48:42.849
you if you don't get 35 cent cash taped to
1075
00:48:42.889 --> 00:48:45.550
the bottom of that letter one of your employees stole
1076
00:48:45.590 --> 00:48:48.130
it see ya never heard from them again.
1077
00:48:47.909 --> 00:48:52.010
It's But, you know, but it got worse because after
1078
00:48:52.050 --> 00:48:54.690
that they started saying, like, you know, if you pay
1079
00:48:54.730 --> 00:48:56.710
it by a certain date, you know, you can just
1080
00:48:56.750 --> 00:48:59.329
pay the toll. But if not, there's a late fee
1081
00:48:59.469 --> 00:49:03.349
and the late fee is 100 times the toll or
1082
00:49:03.889 --> 00:49:04.730
or something like that.
1083
00:49:04.809 --> 00:49:04.989
Right.
1084
00:49:05.030 --> 00:49:08.409
Where they used to have 25 cent tolls and it becomes,
1085
00:49:09.230 --> 00:49:10.590
you know, twenty five dollars.
1086
00:49:10.929 --> 00:49:11.150
Right.
1087
00:49:11.369 --> 00:49:14.829
If you don't pay it on time and inevitably you
1088
00:49:14.869 --> 00:49:16.929
got the letter in the mail two, three days after
1089
00:49:16.969 --> 00:49:20.900
it was allegedly due. So they say. doing that and
1090
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.059
all these games played with it to expand the revenue
1091
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:27.260
again right because taking a dollar or two dollars out
1092
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.250
of you to use a certain patch of road not
1093
00:49:29.289 --> 00:49:32.469
good enough and there were other people complaining that you
1094
00:49:32.489 --> 00:49:34.449
know what i'm going one mile on a piece of
1095
00:49:34.510 --> 00:49:37.550
road and if i just stop short another mile i
1096
00:49:37.570 --> 00:49:40.119
don't have to pay two three dollars here You know
1097
00:49:40.139 --> 00:49:43.880
what I mean? It's just crazy. And now they don't
1098
00:49:43.900 --> 00:49:45.570
even have them visible. You know what I mean? You're
1099
00:49:45.590 --> 00:49:49.570
just being tracked and photographed. But anyway, Jimmy James has
1100
00:49:49.610 --> 00:49:52.050
called in, and I want to remind everybody that, of course,
1101
00:49:52.110 --> 00:49:54.510
anybody who's listening can. And I want to give him
1102
00:49:54.570 --> 00:49:56.849
probably about a good 10-minute stretch here to get it
1103
00:49:57.090 --> 00:49:59.949
off his chest whenever he wants. But anybody who wants
1104
00:49:59.969 --> 00:50:02.329
to call in and bring up any subject, you don't
1105
00:50:02.349 --> 00:50:05.780
have to talk about water bills and the craziness of bureaucracy.
1106
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:09.739
If you don't want to, okay, you can talk about anything.
1107
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:09.820
319-527-5016.
1108
00:50:13.420 --> 00:50:16.760
But, yeah, this is something worthy of speaking about this,
1109
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:19.820
you know, the way that things have evolved into this,
1110
00:50:19.900 --> 00:50:24.269
you know, money generating a system that, again, delivers nothing new.
1111
00:50:24.969 --> 00:50:27.090
And the fact that you're being triple charged, if you
1112
00:50:27.110 --> 00:50:29.130
take a look at it, hell no, they're not going
1113
00:50:29.150 --> 00:50:32.130
to open those books and show you that. So, you know,
1114
00:50:32.250 --> 00:50:33.809
just live with it. And by the way, they'll give
1115
00:50:33.849 --> 00:50:35.809
you enough resistance. So you have to give up after
1116
00:50:35.829 --> 00:50:39.360
a little bit. You know, this is why only certain
1117
00:50:39.420 --> 00:50:42.920
stars emerge from town hall meetings. Anyways, Jimmy James is
1118
00:50:42.980 --> 00:50:45.119
on the line, so I'll get to him. But anybody
1119
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:50.030
can join us. 319-527-5016. You'll be put on hold. You'll
1120
00:50:50.050 --> 00:50:52.030
hear us. And I'll bring you in as quick as
1121
00:50:52.090 --> 00:50:57.369
I can. So, Jimmy, what's on your mind this week? Oh,
1122
00:50:58.070 --> 00:51:00.230
you know what? I go through all that, and he
1123
00:51:00.269 --> 00:51:00.679
hangs up.
1124
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:04.300
Boom.
1125
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:07.800
Jimmy, wait. Okay, he's called back in. So, here.
1126
00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:10.199
He's got the fastest redial.
1127
00:51:11.019 --> 00:51:13.119
I swear to God, he disappeared right when I was
1128
00:51:13.179 --> 00:51:15.070
clicking on the button to bring him on, and then
1129
00:51:15.090 --> 00:51:23.449
he came back just now. So, Jimmy, can you hear me? No,
1130
00:51:23.489 --> 00:51:25.570
he might have had that internet drop-off issue that he
1131
00:51:25.590 --> 00:51:28.969
had the other week. Jimmy, you're live, but nobody's hearing
1132
00:51:28.989 --> 00:51:29.869
you if you're speaking.
1133
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:33.639
Well, I'm on.
1134
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:37.500
Oh, there you are. Okay, Jimmy, so what's on your mind, bro?
1135
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:37.900
Go ahead.
1136
00:51:43.739 --> 00:51:49.159
Well, I'm hearing it in my echo bed.
1137
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.480
Okay, I don't know why you're hearing echo bed. You're
1138
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:54.969
coming through okay when you just, you know, speak smooth.
1139
00:51:55.010 --> 00:51:57.710
So go ahead and say what you want. I'm sorry
1140
00:51:57.750 --> 00:51:59.050
if it's echoing. I don't know why.
1141
00:51:59.070 --> 00:52:04.769
Let's see.
1142
00:52:04.909 --> 00:52:15.829
We covered the water bill situation. You know those carrier pigeons? No,
1143
00:52:15.849 --> 00:52:16.889
they're all dead, right?
1144
00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:18.929
Really?
1145
00:52:18.989 --> 00:52:22.380
Are there no longer any carrier pigeons anywhere, Jimmy? I
1146
00:52:22.409 --> 00:52:22.929
didn't know that.
1147
00:52:24.500 --> 00:52:26.860
Oh, yeah, they've been dead for like 80 years.
1148
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:29.000
Really? But here's the reason.
1149
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:32.679
Why, it turns out. Of course, you know, the carrier
1150
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.940
pigeons were used a lot in World War I, World
1151
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:36.659
War II.
1152
00:52:37.059 --> 00:52:37.300
Right.
1153
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:42.300
Well, during World War II, you know, meanwhile, the British,
1154
00:52:42.420 --> 00:52:49.099
they had their pigeon corps. Those Nazis started their hawk corps.
1155
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:55.320
And they trained these hawks to go out and kill
1156
00:52:55.420 --> 00:53:02.690
all the pigeons. And even after World War II, these
1157
00:53:02.769 --> 00:53:06.190
damn Nazi birds, no one ever dealt with them. They
1158
00:53:06.210 --> 00:53:07.170
just kept going.
1159
00:53:09.590 --> 00:53:12.329
Well, but they stopped training them, right? So you had
1160
00:53:12.510 --> 00:53:17.010
untrained killer hawks that would just eliminate pigeons, right? Is
1161
00:53:17.050 --> 00:53:17.429
that true?
1162
00:53:19.489 --> 00:53:21.329
No, these were Nazi hawks.
1163
00:53:23.070 --> 00:53:24.389
Okay, well, I don't know how.
1164
00:53:24.690 --> 00:53:28.150
They just kept going and killing until there was no
1165
00:53:28.190 --> 00:53:29.789
more carrier pigeons.
1166
00:53:30.489 --> 00:53:30.929
Okay.
1167
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:32.860
How do you.
1168
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:38.929
Just an honest question. How is a hawk actually a Nazi?
1169
00:53:39.050 --> 00:53:42.639
I understand that they're controlled by Nazis, but hawks can't
1170
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:45.940
actually be Nazis themselves, right? Because they don't have an
1171
00:53:46.019 --> 00:53:58.170
ideology necessarily, I'm thinking. Maybe I'm wrong. Chuck, you can't.
1172
00:53:57.989 --> 00:54:00.969
Trust these Nazi animals, okay?
1173
00:54:01.369 --> 00:54:03.570
Oh, you can't trust the Nazi animals. Well, what do
1174
00:54:03.610 --> 00:54:04.769
you think about German shepherds?
1175
00:54:08.539 --> 00:54:11.420
That data came from the Nazis. I wouldn't have trusted them.
1176
00:54:12.099 --> 00:54:13.050
I trust them now.
1177
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:16.610
Oh, okay. Well, that was several generations ago. I mean,
1178
00:54:16.630 --> 00:54:18.989
you know, there can't be a living dog from World
1179
00:54:19.010 --> 00:54:19.429
War II.
1180
00:54:19.449 --> 00:54:21.969
Wait a minute. What is a Nazi animal?
1181
00:54:22.110 --> 00:54:23.710
Well, that's what I was trying to get at before
1182
00:54:23.750 --> 00:54:24.510
with the hawk, but.
1183
00:54:24.670 --> 00:54:26.769
Okay, I'll give you another example.
1184
00:54:27.030 --> 00:54:27.610
Okay, go ahead.
1185
00:54:27.769 --> 00:54:31.449
Just three, four, five years ago, I was looking in
1186
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:32.579
the news.
1187
00:54:33.219 --> 00:54:33.440
Yeah.
1188
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:35.000
And it says that.
1189
00:54:36.809 --> 00:54:47.559
In Russia, they had a Hitler bear that died. There
1190
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:50.579
wasn't a bear. It was like a hippo. I don't know.
1191
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:57.429
Another Nazi animal that the Russians got. I was like,
1192
00:54:57.449 --> 00:55:01.130
holy crap. I never even knew that there was a Nazi,
1193
00:55:01.170 --> 00:55:05.289
whatever that thing was, Hitler's pet, whatever this thing was.
1194
00:55:06.940 --> 00:55:11.320
Yeah, he did have a strange pet, or a couple
1195
00:55:11.340 --> 00:55:14.750
of pets, actually. And I think people have famously said
1196
00:55:14.769 --> 00:55:15.829
he liked dogs, right?
1197
00:55:16.969 --> 00:55:20.949
Yeah, there's pictures of him at his retreat with German
1198
00:55:20.989 --> 00:55:21.710
shepherds there.
1199
00:55:21.869 --> 00:55:22.150
Right.
1200
00:55:22.289 --> 00:55:24.989
But, well, I mean, what is a Nazi animal?
1201
00:55:26.670 --> 00:55:28.889
If it was owned by a Nazi, or if it
1202
00:55:28.969 --> 00:55:30.710
lived in Nazi Germany, or if.
1203
00:55:31.110 --> 00:55:31.510
Huh?
1204
00:55:33.260 --> 00:55:34.880
Yeah, that was my question.
1205
00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:40.829
Animal... Okay, animals who were trained and were part of
1206
00:55:41.389 --> 00:55:42.750
the Nazi machine.
1207
00:55:42.769 --> 00:55:44.030
Okay.
1208
00:55:45.789 --> 00:55:47.510
They ran.
1209
00:55:49.030 --> 00:55:50.760
On it. Wow.
1210
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:54.420
Take, for instance, our good old canines that we took
1211
00:55:54.619 --> 00:55:59.239
over in World War II. Oh, they were good boys. Very,
1212
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:04.250
very good boys. Now, the Nazi dogs, oh, they were
1213
00:56:04.309 --> 00:56:04.929
bad boys.
1214
00:56:07.260 --> 00:56:07.599
Okay.
1215
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:08.099
Wait a minute.
1216
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:08.699
Wait a minute.
1217
00:56:08.739 --> 00:56:09.090
Wait a minute.
1218
00:56:10.260 --> 00:56:11.789
So does that mean I have to think of every
1219
00:56:11.809 --> 00:56:13.550
Pekingese as being a Chinese agent?
1220
00:56:15.550 --> 00:56:15.929
I would.
1221
00:56:16.809 --> 00:56:23.610
All right. Jimmy, sorting out the intelligence community via the canines.
1222
00:56:23.949 --> 00:56:24.869
I love this.
1223
00:56:24.949 --> 00:56:31.789
Jimmy, aren't you in Michigan? I am. Are you getting
1224
00:56:31.829 --> 00:56:32.929
your water from Flint?
1225
00:56:35.610 --> 00:56:36.050
Hell no.
1226
00:56:37.260 --> 00:56:38.820
That might explain some of the theories.
1227
00:56:40.340 --> 00:56:48.320
Oh, man. Okay. I want to know more about this because,
1228
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:55.909
you know, various servicemen have had dogs, right, from various countries. And, like,
1229
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I know that there were dogs in Vietnam. Some of
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00:56:59.510 --> 00:57:01.329
these guys got to bring a couple of them home.
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uh like i had a photograph of my father with
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uh with a black dog and i had seen other
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guys with this very similar kind of black dog i
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don't know how to identify it by breed because i
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only ever saw the pictures of the puppies but i
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think it might have been or something like a lab
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00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:21.659
mix and some of these guys did wind up arranging
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00:57:21.699 --> 00:57:24.539
to bring home the dogs so i don't know what
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00:57:24.579 --> 00:57:28.630
kind of dog that is by the way It looks
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like a lab puppy, but, you know, a lot of
1241
00:57:30.889 --> 00:57:32.789
things can look like lab puppies. You know, they all
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have that round head.
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I've got a question for Jimmy.
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Yeah, go ahead.
1245
00:57:35.809 --> 00:57:39.710
Wasn't it sometime back, wasn't our Navy training dolphins to
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00:57:40.570 --> 00:57:43.159
do some type of psychological warfare underwater?
1247
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:46.800
So do we trust all dolphins?
1248
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:48.079
Yes, yes, yes.
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00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:55.940
I've had nothing but good experiences with the dolphins and
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00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:56.900
the sea otters.
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00:57:57.300 --> 00:57:57.679
Okay.
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00:57:58.860 --> 00:58:02.880
I call the sea otters the dogs of the sea
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00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:05.230
because that's pretty much what they act like.
1254
00:58:05.809 --> 00:58:09.489
Well, you know, I'm sure Jimmy's well aware that they
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00:58:09.530 --> 00:58:14.090
have actually trained sea otters and dolphins, you know, to
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00:58:14.150 --> 00:58:17.030
search out mines, to do mine sweeping operations.
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00:58:17.050 --> 00:58:17.159
Yeah.
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00:58:18.010 --> 00:58:21.650
Yes, and those chai comms, they've been up to some
1259
00:58:21.710 --> 00:58:22.250
bizarre things.
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00:58:22.309 --> 00:58:23.449
But that's not an evil.
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00:58:23.889 --> 00:58:26.309
But that's not teaching them something evil.
1262
00:58:26.730 --> 00:58:28.550
No, I didn't say it's evil. I'm just saying it's
1263
00:58:28.610 --> 00:58:30.690
one of those interesting things.
1264
00:58:31.309 --> 00:58:34.050
But do we trust them because they've been trained by U.S.
1265
00:58:34.869 --> 00:58:36.469
Sources? Do we trust dolphins?
1266
00:58:36.550 --> 00:58:37.769
Well, see, that's the thing.
1267
00:58:38.130 --> 00:58:39.989
Are you going to trust a Nazi hawk?
1268
00:58:40.449 --> 00:58:43.130
Well, see, if the Russians— Hell no.
1269
00:58:43.170 --> 00:58:44.849
Never trust a Nazi hawk.
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00:58:45.309 --> 00:58:51.679
But if the communist Russians trained the dolphin or the
1271
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:55.559
Chinese trained the dolphin, we can't trust them. But if
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00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:59.059
they were trained by Americans or Canadians, they're cool, right?
1273
00:58:59.940 --> 00:59:01.800
What if they have a Buddhist background?
1274
00:59:02.170 --> 00:59:04.469
I don't know. I don't know. Can a dolphin be
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00:59:04.530 --> 00:59:04.969
a Buddhist?
1276
00:59:05.849 --> 00:59:08.389
Well, let's put it this way. Can we agree that
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00:59:08.429 --> 00:59:09.969
bad parents have bad children?
1278
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Most times.
1279
00:59:11.820 --> 00:59:17.510
You know that animals take on the traits of the
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00:59:17.530 --> 00:59:21.250
people who live with them and train them and et cetera.
1281
00:59:22.329 --> 00:59:27.500
I have met kids that were exceptionally bad. better than
1282
00:59:27.570 --> 00:59:30.670
their parents. And it's almost like if it wasn't for
1283
00:59:30.710 --> 00:59:32.630
the kids, the parents would be worse off.
1284
00:59:33.550 --> 00:59:35.809
Well, and a lot of, a lot of serial killers
1285
00:59:35.869 --> 00:59:40.010
have had offspring that didn't become serial killers, you know, uh,
1286
00:59:40.150 --> 00:59:43.760
bunches of them really, um, you know, that Iceman that
1287
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:46.000
I've told you is, uh, you know, is definitely a fraud,
1288
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:48.260
but he dropped some bodies, but not nearly as many
1289
00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:51.400
as he claimed. Uh, you know, he's got a daughter, uh,
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00:59:51.500 --> 00:59:54.280
famously that, you know, tried to sort of reconcile with
1291
00:59:54.300 --> 00:59:59.699
him a She's not a bad person at all. She
1292
00:59:59.739 --> 01:00:02.860
seems to be a fully upstanding, you know, person. And meanwhile,
1293
01:00:02.900 --> 01:00:05.449
this is a guy who was killing people with cyanide, allegedly,
1294
01:00:05.929 --> 01:00:08.230
and got called the Iceman because he froze a guy
1295
01:00:08.269 --> 01:00:10.610
and forgot to thaw him out long enough before he
1296
01:00:10.650 --> 01:00:12.530
dumped the body. And they found the insides of the
1297
01:00:12.550 --> 01:00:16.170
guy frozen, which is how he got his name, you know.
1298
01:00:16.389 --> 01:00:19.639
And meanwhile, his daughter doesn't seem to have a violent
1299
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:23.139
bone in her body, so to speak, right? So, you know,
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01:00:23.179 --> 01:00:26.639
your parents are indicative of what you could end up as, but...
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01:00:27.050 --> 01:00:31.420
I don't think always dictate what you are, but then again,
1302
01:00:32.500 --> 01:00:34.960
who knows? Maybe in the animal kingdom it works differently,
1303
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:36.980
especially based on your trainers.
1304
01:00:37.019 --> 01:00:41.920
Well, if your parents were Nazis, because that's what we're discussing,
1305
01:00:42.969 --> 01:00:44.469
Nazi birds of prey.
1306
01:00:44.710 --> 01:00:45.190
Fair enough.
1307
01:00:45.210 --> 01:00:47.150
Trained Nazi birds of prey.
1308
01:00:47.309 --> 01:00:51.030
Well, fair enough, but there are descendants of Nazis that
1309
01:00:51.070 --> 01:00:55.369
were not Nazis. Their children immediately sometimes rejected that just
1310
01:00:55.469 --> 01:01:00.159
out of rebellion, right? you know, especially post-war. For a
1311
01:01:00.179 --> 01:01:01.900
little while, it seemed to be a very, you know,
1312
01:01:02.059 --> 01:01:06.489
unifying sort of factor there. The Nazi party, the Nazi ideology,
1313
01:01:07.530 --> 01:01:10.369
even the esoteric ends of that, you know, belief system,
1314
01:01:11.449 --> 01:01:14.570
you know, did run in families for sure. But there
1315
01:01:14.610 --> 01:01:17.969
were also people that, you know, rejected it, quickly dropped it,
1316
01:01:17.969 --> 01:01:21.300
had no interest in continuing on with it, right? Not
1317
01:01:21.429 --> 01:01:25.630
every Nazi youth became a Nazi soldier, right? uh no
1318
01:01:25.670 --> 01:01:28.949
matter how hard they tried you couldn't get you know
1319
01:01:28.949 --> 01:01:32.539
100 retention um and i don't know i've never done
1320
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:34.579
a particular have you done a study on that or
1321
01:01:34.619 --> 01:01:37.989
seen a study on that bp like What percentage of,
1322
01:01:38.170 --> 01:01:41.659
you know, that that programming at a young age, like
1323
01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:42.840
really hung on him?
1324
01:01:42.860 --> 01:01:48.719
Well, here's here's a here's one example. You got George Soros.
1325
01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:53.260
He's 90. He's been a Nazi for mother effing 82,
1326
01:01:53.260 --> 01:01:54.829
three years. And he's a Jew.
1327
01:01:56.090 --> 01:01:56.429
OK.
1328
01:01:56.690 --> 01:01:58.070
And a corroborator.
1329
01:01:58.469 --> 01:01:59.309
I did watch.
1330
01:01:59.349 --> 01:02:02.050
There was a documentary done when I was in Switzerland
1331
01:02:02.530 --> 01:02:07.150
that looked at families where the father was in the
1332
01:02:07.210 --> 01:02:10.769
Nazi party and what became of the kids after the war.
1333
01:02:11.050 --> 01:02:13.210
Right. I'm going to put you on hold, Jimmy, just because.
1334
01:02:13.889 --> 01:02:15.550
Don't worry, though. I'm not getting ready and I'll bring
1335
01:02:15.590 --> 01:02:17.739
you back after we take a break. But go ahead, BP.
1336
01:02:17.780 --> 01:02:18.409
Please continue.
1337
01:02:19.860 --> 01:02:23.639
But I mean it just showed the juxtaposition between the
1338
01:02:23.699 --> 01:02:27.909
kids thinking then being raised in it and then later
1339
01:02:28.010 --> 01:02:30.889
finding out what happened and what their parents were involved
1340
01:02:30.969 --> 01:02:33.369
in it was a pretty good show probably two hours
1341
01:02:33.449 --> 01:02:37.010
long and I think they looked at five families and
1342
01:02:37.070 --> 01:02:40.130
discussed with the kids what was going on during the
1343
01:02:40.170 --> 01:02:42.650
war and what they found out afterwards how it changed
1344
01:02:42.690 --> 01:02:45.030
their thinking but you know and most of them were
1345
01:02:45.070 --> 01:02:46.949
you know we didn't know this was going on we
1346
01:02:46.969 --> 01:02:49.670
were kids we had no idea but then a couple
1347
01:02:49.710 --> 01:02:52.690
of them were in the hitler youth and they still
1348
01:02:52.730 --> 01:02:55.829
think the fatherland should be able to you know rule
1349
01:02:55.869 --> 01:02:59.630
the earth You know, 30 years later. So it's a
1350
01:02:59.650 --> 01:03:01.659
mixed bag from what I've seen.
1351
01:03:01.989 --> 01:03:03.980
Well, the same kind of results. And they've done this
1352
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:07.079
many times in different documentaries and in different books about,
1353
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.599
you know, the Klan in this country. Right. Where you
1354
01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:13.659
have a very strict ideology that's even tied to religiosity, etc.
1355
01:03:14.340 --> 01:03:16.570
And indeed, I even had the guy on the show
1356
01:03:16.610 --> 01:03:18.789
that talked about, you know, there's actually a cult that's
1357
01:03:18.829 --> 01:03:20.369
devoted to the Ku Klux Klan.
1358
01:03:20.389 --> 01:03:20.489
Right.
1359
01:03:21.690 --> 01:03:23.909
And all that. So, I mean, there is all sorts
1360
01:03:23.949 --> 01:03:29.610
of presentation there and ability to be indoctrinated on various levels.
1361
01:03:30.210 --> 01:03:32.820
But people have studied this where people rejected, you know,
1362
01:03:32.860 --> 01:03:35.619
later in life or earlier in life, you know, maybe
1363
01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:39.190
they embraced it as a child and then change their minds. uh,
1364
01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:41.500
et cetera. I mean, you have a variety, like you said,
1365
01:03:41.539 --> 01:03:45.039
a mixed bag of results, but, uh, I guess the
1366
01:03:45.099 --> 01:03:48.889
stronger the cult, if you will, uh, the stronger the programming,
1367
01:03:48.929 --> 01:03:53.050
maybe the more effective, uh, percentage you, uh, retain, but
1368
01:03:53.730 --> 01:03:55.610
I don't know, you know, I've, I've never really done
1369
01:03:55.630 --> 01:03:59.099
a wide enough study to speak on this, uh, uh,
1370
01:03:59.219 --> 01:04:01.780
you know, in an educated way to, in my estimation,
1371
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:05.380
somebody else might be able to, but, uh, indoctrination, uh,
1372
01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:10.320
does not always work. Just saying, you know, it does
1373
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:13.309
not always work. Now, you could say that about anything.
1374
01:04:13.550 --> 01:04:16.590
There's always a failure rate, right? Because, you know, if
1375
01:04:16.630 --> 01:04:19.090
man creates it, there is a failure rate. Very simple.
1376
01:04:20.090 --> 01:04:22.880
Nothing created by the imperfect being is going to be
1377
01:04:23.030 --> 01:04:26.400
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1378
01:04:26.420 --> 01:04:27.980
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Thank you. Smoke them if you got them. Second segment
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of the Ocelli Effect live open mic night is live now.
1438
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So you can join us by calling in 319-527-5016. Jimmy
1439
01:10:13.619 --> 01:10:15.359
James is on the line. We're going to bring him
1440
01:10:15.430 --> 01:10:18.470
back up real quick. You know, I'm going to let
1441
01:10:18.529 --> 01:10:20.470
BP to actually give us a little, he did a
1442
01:10:20.489 --> 01:10:23.649
little quick search about what we've been discussing here, which is,
1443
01:10:24.090 --> 01:10:26.500
is a topic I did not have on my bingo card.
1444
01:10:26.539 --> 01:10:29.739
I got to be honest, Jimmy, always creative and interesting
1445
01:10:29.770 --> 01:10:31.569
with the stuff he decides to bring up. I got
1446
01:10:31.609 --> 01:10:35.760
to tell you. I love this. I'm a little baffled
1447
01:10:35.859 --> 01:10:38.699
by some of it, and this ain't the first time.
1448
01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:42.279
But you could call in and talk about Nazi hawks,
1449
01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:47.229
Doberman pinchers, or German shepherds, or dolphins that are seeking
1450
01:10:47.289 --> 01:10:50.010
out minds all you want, or whatever else is on
1451
01:10:50.050 --> 01:10:54.210
your mind. Maybe UAPs or the ever-shifting landscape of the
1452
01:10:54.250 --> 01:10:56.970
Internet world, like we talked with Mike and Larry recently.
1453
01:10:57.510 --> 01:10:59.909
And the Thursday night show will be out, you know,
1454
01:11:00.100 --> 01:11:03.659
probably late tonight. Uh, as I was delayed for other
1455
01:11:03.699 --> 01:11:07.659
reasons earlier, but, uh, before we, uh, you know, get
1456
01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:09.779
toward the 10 o'clock time when I'm going to go,
1457
01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:11.579
because I got to eat something. I haven't been able
1458
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:16.159
to do that today. Uh, the fact is, you know, we,
1459
01:11:16.189 --> 01:11:21.029
we could cover a lot of ground 319-527-5016. If you
1460
01:11:21.069 --> 01:11:24.149
want to join into this BP, what did you find
1461
01:11:24.350 --> 01:11:26.090
on your Nazi Hawk search real quick?
1462
01:11:26.979 --> 01:11:29.779
Okay, the question I put to AI was, are there
1463
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:31.699
any Nazi-trained hawks still alive?
1464
01:11:32.060 --> 01:11:32.380
Okay.
1465
01:11:33.020 --> 01:11:36.880
And the overview says, no. There are no Nazi-trained hawks
1466
01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:40.850
still alive. This is due to the natural biological constraints
1467
01:11:40.899 --> 01:11:41.890
of birds of prey.
1468
01:11:42.670 --> 01:11:44.029
Lifespan limitations.
1469
01:11:44.569 --> 01:11:48.529
The oldest recorded hawks and falcons in optimal captive conditions
1470
01:11:48.649 --> 01:11:50.649
live between 30 to 40 years.
1471
01:11:51.329 --> 01:11:54.279
The timeline. World War II ended in 1945.
1472
01:11:54.270 --> 01:11:57.439
For a Nazi-trained bird to be alive today, it would
1473
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:00.319
have to be over 80 years old, which is double
1474
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:03.600
the maximum possible lifespan for any hawk species.
1475
01:12:03.779 --> 01:12:06.899
So real quick, just to pause you one second. That
1476
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:11.159
means that by 1990, essentially... All of the Nazi trained
1477
01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:15.369
hawks should have been deceased, theoretically. I mean, maybe there
1478
01:12:15.390 --> 01:12:17.970
was a straggler that lived, you know, to be 55
1479
01:12:17.970 --> 01:12:20.890
or 60 somehow because it's, you know, an anomaly or whatever.
1480
01:12:21.350 --> 01:12:25.319
But by 1990, the overwhelming majority of any Nazi trained
1481
01:12:25.340 --> 01:12:29.340
hawks should be gone from the earth based on their lifespan. OK,
1482
01:12:29.420 --> 01:12:31.220
I just want to make sure I'm understanding this. Go ahead.
1483
01:12:32.189 --> 01:12:35.090
It says, while Nazi leaders like Hermann Goring were famously
1484
01:12:35.250 --> 01:12:38.569
avid falconers who kept large collections of birds of prey,
1485
01:12:39.170 --> 01:12:42.800
and both sides experimented with using raptors to intercept enemy
1486
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:46.279
carrier pigeons during the war, all of those wartime birds
1487
01:12:46.340 --> 01:12:47.680
have long since passed away.
1488
01:12:47.699 --> 01:12:48.560
Right.
1489
01:12:48.579 --> 01:12:51.579
And then down below it says, about your question, do
1490
01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:56.149
you possibly tap your water from Flint, Michigan? No.
1491
01:13:01.420 --> 01:13:06.079
Oh, God. Okay, Jimmy. So BP did an AI inquiry
1492
01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:09.489
on it. So there should be none living that were
1493
01:13:09.609 --> 01:13:13.729
trained literally by the Nazis in World War II Germany
1494
01:13:14.750 --> 01:13:19.090
as of around 1990, as I recognize. But definitely, you know,
1495
01:13:19.090 --> 01:13:22.640
36 years later, they should not be on the planet
1496
01:13:22.689 --> 01:13:26.859
breathing anymore. But what about their descendants, Jimmy? Is that
1497
01:13:26.939 --> 01:13:27.539
still an issue?
1498
01:13:31.529 --> 01:13:32.050
Probably.
1499
01:13:32.989 --> 01:13:39.390
Neo-Nazis. But no, my whole point was that the genuine
1500
01:13:39.449 --> 01:13:44.149
Nazi birds killed all the carrier pigeons by 1950. That
1501
01:13:44.210 --> 01:13:47.020
was the whole point. And that's a fact, Jack.
1502
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:51.960
So even after, because basically by 1950, the Nazis should
1503
01:13:51.979 --> 01:13:55.359
have been dislodged and not had, you know, the wherewithal
1504
01:13:55.399 --> 01:14:01.520
to keep Hawks alive. like this, you know, under the
1505
01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:05.029
Nazi cause. They should have been gone by, say, 1950,
1506
01:14:05.029 --> 01:14:08.449
but they continued on in the natural world and just
1507
01:14:08.789 --> 01:14:11.810
destroyed all of the carrier pigeons because that was what
1508
01:14:11.850 --> 01:14:13.409
they were tasked with. Is that what you're saying?
1509
01:14:14.979 --> 01:14:17.140
That's what they were trained to do, and that's what
1510
01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:21.119
they just kept doing. Isn't that interesting? What are you
1511
01:14:21.140 --> 01:14:23.680
talking about? Go ahead.
1512
01:14:25.020 --> 01:14:25.640
Kind of like some what?
1513
01:14:28.619 --> 01:14:30.520
Well, there are people like that.
1514
01:14:31.539 --> 01:14:35.729
This is true. There are people that if you program
1515
01:14:35.770 --> 01:14:39.310
them and train them deeply enough, that is exactly what
1516
01:14:39.350 --> 01:14:41.569
it is they will occupy themselves with for the rest
1517
01:14:41.609 --> 01:14:45.689
of their lives. That's true. But there are others who,
1518
01:14:46.090 --> 01:14:50.789
you know, maybe. We're immersed in a programming situation one
1519
01:14:50.829 --> 01:14:53.229
way or another, whether it was being surrounded by an
1520
01:14:53.449 --> 01:14:58.960
ecosystem of individuals, a subculture, etc. And some people do
1521
01:14:59.020 --> 01:15:01.680
emerge and change their minds. I mean, often we hear
1522
01:15:01.739 --> 01:15:04.800
stories of those that, you know, decided to become Christians
1523
01:15:04.859 --> 01:15:08.119
and devote themselves to, you know, the good works in
1524
01:15:08.180 --> 01:15:11.130
life and stuff like that. These are common stories. And
1525
01:15:11.210 --> 01:15:16.069
sometimes these are murderers, drug dealers, you know, various types
1526
01:15:16.130 --> 01:15:19.689
of criminals. Right. The only thing I never really see
1527
01:15:19.750 --> 01:15:25.789
fully rehabilitated, quite frankly, are the pedophiles and the pedorists,
1528
01:15:26.810 --> 01:15:29.720
because pedorists are a little different than pedophiles, but you
1529
01:15:29.739 --> 01:15:32.279
can lump them together if you want. I never see
1530
01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:36.750
them changing their minds and becoming Christians and sticking to it. Uh,
1531
01:15:36.869 --> 01:15:39.029
sometimes they do it to get, you know, uh, time
1532
01:15:39.109 --> 01:15:42.170
served and get out early and they become a minister
1533
01:15:42.210 --> 01:15:44.949
in prison or whatever. But other than that, you know,
1534
01:15:44.970 --> 01:15:46.750
they get out and as soon as they're loose, they
1535
01:15:46.770 --> 01:15:49.340
go right back to their old ways. Uh, I guess
1536
01:15:49.380 --> 01:15:52.399
that's a different kind of programming that, uh, happens to
1537
01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:55.720
some people. Uh, but then again, maybe some people are
1538
01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:59.319
just natural predators. Now that's an interesting thing about these hawks.
1539
01:15:59.899 --> 01:16:04.199
You know, their natural predilection would be to be predators anyway, right?
1540
01:16:04.689 --> 01:16:08.430
But they were particularly trained to kill these carrier pigeons, right, Jimmy?
1541
01:16:11.649 --> 01:16:12.689
Yeah, they sure were.
1542
01:16:13.689 --> 01:16:16.949
And they were effective at it and probably continued all
1543
01:16:16.979 --> 01:16:18.529
the way up to the point when all of the
1544
01:16:18.569 --> 01:16:23.119
program birds finally did die due to the fact that
1545
01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:26.119
their lifespans are only just so long, as BP pointed out.
1546
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:27.920
So that's interesting.
1547
01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:35.689
Well, they lived long enough. They did their job.
1548
01:16:36.069 --> 01:16:39.930
To eliminate the carrier pigeons. Yeah, if the job was to,
1549
01:16:40.350 --> 01:16:44.149
you know, genocide the carrier pigeons, right? There you go.
1550
01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:47.840
That genome is now pretty much gone. So I guess
1551
01:16:47.859 --> 01:16:50.720
there's no way to, like, was that a specific type
1552
01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:53.859
of pigeon or something? Or could you train any pigeon
1553
01:16:53.899 --> 01:16:55.460
to be a carrier pigeon? I mean, this is an
1554
01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:56.600
open question. I don't know.
1555
01:16:57.159 --> 01:17:01.369
It was a specific. specific type of pigeon, but there
1556
01:17:01.470 --> 01:17:03.050
are other pigeons that could.
1557
01:17:02.949 --> 01:17:04.229
Do the same thing.
1558
01:17:04.329 --> 01:17:06.670
Yeah, you can train them, because there's a difference between
1559
01:17:06.689 --> 01:17:08.890
a carrier pigeon and a homing pigeon. I had a
1560
01:17:08.970 --> 01:17:11.029
good friend of mine I worked with that had homing pigeons,
1561
01:17:11.090 --> 01:17:13.350
and he would take them 20 miles away and let
1562
01:17:13.369 --> 01:17:16.670
them go. And they would always boom, straight, and he
1563
01:17:16.689 --> 01:17:18.869
would time them to see how long it took them
1564
01:17:18.909 --> 01:17:23.369
to get home. They have actual events, races. But a
1565
01:17:23.390 --> 01:17:26.829
carrier pigeon is designed to go from one spot to
1566
01:17:26.869 --> 01:17:31.680
the other carrying a note. So, yeah, there's differences between
1567
01:17:31.699 --> 01:17:32.180
your pigeons.
1568
01:17:32.840 --> 01:17:35.220
Well, but then again, if you create a centralized base
1569
01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:38.989
of homing pigeons, right, you could have somebody take the
1570
01:17:39.010 --> 01:17:41.069
pigeons and you at least have a one-way set of
1571
01:17:41.090 --> 01:17:45.350
communication where somebody could attach, you know, a message to
1572
01:17:45.489 --> 01:17:50.229
a homing pigeon and it would always return to base. So, right,
1573
01:17:50.350 --> 01:17:53.399
I mean, if you centralize a base for the pigeons...
1574
01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:54.439
I guess.
1575
01:17:54.340 --> 01:17:56.720
A homing pigeon is a carrying pigeon if it's carrying
1576
01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:57.329
something with it.
1577
01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:03.090
Okay. Fair enough. But the specific breed is all gone.
1578
01:18:03.130 --> 01:18:06.670
I mean, is it really an extinct? The carrier pigeons,
1579
01:18:06.729 --> 01:18:09.069
whatever breed that was, they're totally extinct now?
1580
01:18:09.689 --> 01:18:11.210
No, people have still been raising them.
1581
01:18:11.229 --> 01:18:12.590
Like I said, I've got a friend of mine that
1582
01:18:12.609 --> 01:18:13.510
still raises pigeons.
1583
01:18:13.550 --> 01:18:16.069
Good, Jimmy.
1584
01:18:20.359 --> 01:18:20.819
Good, Jimmy.
1585
01:18:24.810 --> 01:18:25.409
I think we lost him.
1586
01:18:25.430 --> 01:18:28.060
He cut out. Well, he's still there visually. I still
1587
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:29.720
see him on the line, but I'm not hearing him now.
1588
01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:34.680
Maybe you have an Internet issue, Jim. I can't hear
1589
01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:35.739
you if you're talking.
1590
01:18:35.779 --> 01:18:38.199
Let me do my next search. Do carrier pigeons live
1591
01:18:38.229 --> 01:18:39.470
longer than Nazi hawks?
1592
01:18:40.090 --> 01:18:43.069
Oh, well, they didn't if they were being killed by,
1593
01:18:43.789 --> 01:18:48.520
you know. Sorry, but it's just an observation I'm making here.
1594
01:18:50.930 --> 01:18:53.949
I mean, they definitely culled that particular breed of pigeon
1595
01:18:54.020 --> 01:18:57.319
probably big time once they let those hawks loose. And
1596
01:18:57.680 --> 01:18:59.779
they just went out in the wild probably and continued
1597
01:18:59.819 --> 01:19:02.079
killing those kinds of pigeons specifically, right?
1598
01:19:03.010 --> 01:19:06.149
It says here carrier pigeons generally live longer than peregrine
1599
01:19:06.170 --> 01:19:07.010
falcons or hawks.
1600
01:19:07.689 --> 01:19:08.470
Carrier, homing.
1601
01:19:08.890 --> 01:19:10.680
Ah, see, now they put them in the same category.
1602
01:19:11.069 --> 01:19:15.579
Carrier slash homing pigeons. A healthy homing or racing pigeon
1603
01:19:15.659 --> 01:19:18.699
typically lives 12 to 15 years and sometimes up to
1604
01:19:18.699 --> 01:19:19.460
20 with good care.
1605
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:24.090
Maybe it's the same breed, it's just a difference in training. No?
1606
01:19:25.710 --> 01:19:26.229
I don't know.
1607
01:19:26.449 --> 01:19:29.840
I guess... You know, how do you train a carrier
1608
01:19:29.850 --> 01:19:32.439
pigeon to avoid a Nazi hawk by having to have
1609
01:19:32.460 --> 01:19:33.119
a Nazi hawk?
1610
01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:36.699
I don't know if you can train them to avoid
1611
01:19:36.739 --> 01:19:37.699
a Nazi hawk. Right.
1612
01:19:37.739 --> 01:19:38.720
What other animals?
1613
01:19:39.260 --> 01:19:41.159
We need to get Jimmy back on because I'm curious
1614
01:19:41.180 --> 01:19:42.420
about what other animals.
1615
01:19:43.979 --> 01:19:45.100
We need to look into.
1616
01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:46.899
Well, there were monkeys.
1617
01:19:47.199 --> 01:19:49.119
Yeah. And there were German hedgehogs, too.
1618
01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:52.649
Were they trained for like. I don't mind setting.
1619
01:19:52.449 --> 01:19:56.949
Or I know that there were monkeys that were utilized
1620
01:19:57.289 --> 01:20:01.829
in the Vietnam War. Right. There was a certain sort
1621
01:20:01.869 --> 01:20:06.000
of independent units of, you know, and the Khmer Rouge
1622
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:10.479
used monkeys over there for tunnel rats. Yeah, they used
1623
01:20:10.500 --> 01:20:12.399
them for tunnel rats, but they also used them to
1624
01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:16.479
carry messages. The monkeys would wear like a like almost
1625
01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:20.220
like a backpack. That, you know, and who would pay
1626
01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:22.500
attention to the monkey's backpack? It was, you know, colored
1627
01:20:22.539 --> 01:20:24.710
the same as the monkey. So unless you were paying attention,
1628
01:20:24.729 --> 01:20:26.909
you might not notice that this thing had a message
1629
01:20:26.949 --> 01:20:29.789
or a little pouch strapped to it. I don't know
1630
01:20:29.829 --> 01:20:32.430
how reliable they were, but I know they utilized them
1631
01:20:32.489 --> 01:20:35.460
again in Cambodia and Vietnam at one point. I don't
1632
01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:37.460
know how widespread it was. I just know for a
1633
01:20:37.500 --> 01:20:41.060
fact that it occurred. Maybe somebody can call in. They
1634
01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:44.789
got knowledge about the use of monkeys in Asia.
1635
01:20:44.810 --> 01:20:48.609
Speaking of using animals, I read a study. I think
1636
01:20:48.649 --> 01:20:52.329
we discussed this one time. A guy is trying to
1637
01:20:52.449 --> 01:20:58.229
find where the specific place in the Alps that, wasn't
1638
01:20:58.270 --> 01:21:00.199
it Hannibal that crossed the Alps on elephants?
1639
01:21:00.939 --> 01:21:01.199
Yeah.
1640
01:21:02.300 --> 01:21:03.500
That's what he's looking for.
1641
01:21:04.550 --> 01:21:06.569
And the only way that they thought that they could
1642
01:21:06.609 --> 01:21:10.649
determine the actual route was to do soil samples, do borings,
1643
01:21:11.989 --> 01:21:14.920
and find soil layers that contained elephant dung.
1644
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:16.600
Well, that makes sense.
1645
01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:18.279
And I've not heard any result of that.
1646
01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:20.939
But that makes a lot of sense. Because if you're
1647
01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:25.579
going to march elephants across a long distance, one guarantee
1648
01:21:25.640 --> 01:21:27.739
is you're going to leave a trail of elephant dung.
1649
01:21:28.770 --> 01:21:30.609
Well, trust me, I've been in the Alps. It's a
1650
01:21:30.789 --> 01:21:31.850
long distance.
1651
01:21:31.909 --> 01:21:33.529
Well, yeah, it's a long distance. But even if it
1652
01:21:33.550 --> 01:21:36.170
was on flat land, it wouldn't matter because the elephants
1653
01:21:36.350 --> 01:21:39.029
are going to drop huge. You ever see an elephant
1654
01:21:39.229 --> 01:21:43.380
actually drop a deuce? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's
1655
01:21:43.579 --> 01:21:47.880
pretty damn huge. Even baby elephants poop larger than a
1656
01:21:47.899 --> 01:21:51.560
lot of other animals. You know, size-wise, it's pretty incredible.
1657
01:21:52.359 --> 01:21:54.600
I actually rode an elephant once. You ever ride an elephant?
1658
01:21:55.590 --> 01:21:55.930
Mm-hmm.
1659
01:21:55.979 --> 01:21:56.550
That's a circus.
1660
01:21:57.329 --> 01:21:58.909
Yeah, well, I never I didn't do it. I was
1661
01:21:58.989 --> 01:22:02.359
at there was this place in Florida called Lion Country Safari.
1662
01:22:03.659 --> 01:22:06.659
I don't know if that exists anymore, but I got
1663
01:22:06.699 --> 01:22:09.039
to go there when I was a kid and and
1664
01:22:09.060 --> 01:22:12.029
I rode an elephant there. You know, the elephant was
1665
01:22:12.149 --> 01:22:14.029
on like, you know, stake to the ground, you know,
1666
01:22:14.050 --> 01:22:17.189
with like one of those telephone pole like stakes. So
1667
01:22:17.229 --> 01:22:19.010
it only got to walk in a circle. But I
1668
01:22:19.050 --> 01:22:20.689
got to ride the elephant in a circle, you know.
1669
01:22:21.800 --> 01:22:25.739
Now, before the last time I went to the Ringling Brothers,
1670
01:22:26.020 --> 01:22:28.850
before the circus starts, you know, you get to walk
1671
01:22:28.890 --> 01:22:33.109
around on the midway and they had elephant rides and
1672
01:22:33.170 --> 01:22:33.890
camel rides.
1673
01:22:33.970 --> 01:22:34.869
And I got to ride both.
1674
01:22:35.590 --> 01:22:38.149
You know, I was just recently talking to somebody about
1675
01:22:38.250 --> 01:22:41.890
an experience at the circus, too, because I have this
1676
01:22:42.189 --> 01:22:47.350
vivid memory of seeing, you know, the baby tigers, because
1677
01:22:47.390 --> 01:22:48.810
that was one of those things, you know, when you
1678
01:22:48.829 --> 01:22:50.710
got to go check out, they always showed the animals
1679
01:22:50.750 --> 01:22:54.140
to the kids. Right. and you got to ride an elephant. Now,
1680
01:22:54.180 --> 01:22:56.020
they didn't offer an elephant ride when I went to
1681
01:22:56.060 --> 01:22:59.810
see Ringling Brothers, but they did let you see and
1682
01:22:59.890 --> 01:23:05.029
even touch briefly the baby tigers, which, by the way,
1683
01:23:05.090 --> 01:23:08.029
looked sort of like muscular house cats, to be honest
1684
01:23:08.050 --> 01:23:11.890
with you. Some of these baby tigers did, you know,
1685
01:23:11.970 --> 01:23:14.529
obviously with the tiger markings, you know, just like their
1686
01:23:14.550 --> 01:23:19.020
parents and whatnot, but They were they were pretty interesting.
1687
01:23:19.100 --> 01:23:21.479
I have that vivid memory of the baby tigers and
1688
01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:26.880
like the trainer people holding them very, very carefully. But
1689
01:23:26.899 --> 01:23:30.609
they were just like large, muscly house cats. They look like,
1690
01:23:30.670 --> 01:23:33.449
you know, the like almost newly born babies. You ever
1691
01:23:33.489 --> 01:23:35.750
see those? Yeah.
1692
01:23:36.270 --> 01:23:36.449
Cool.
1693
01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:39.760
I don't know why I remember that even. Anyways, we'll
1694
01:23:39.779 --> 01:23:41.510
get back to Jimmy on this, though, and see what
1695
01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:44.430
he thinks about this or if he's got other other
1696
01:23:44.550 --> 01:23:46.850
animals he wants to tell us about. I would be
1697
01:23:47.029 --> 01:23:49.270
you know what? I would be fascinated if Jimmy wanted
1698
01:23:49.310 --> 01:23:50.689
to do a show on the network. And it was
1699
01:23:50.729 --> 01:23:56.560
like Jimmy James Animal Kingdom. I'd listen to every episode.
1700
01:23:56.680 --> 01:23:57.119
How about you?
1701
01:23:58.899 --> 01:24:02.100
Well, I got my results on the guy searching for
1702
01:24:02.119 --> 01:24:03.500
the elephant crossing.
1703
01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:05.739
Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, well, just can you give us
1704
01:24:05.779 --> 01:24:07.590
a quick summation on that? Because I want to bring
1705
01:24:07.609 --> 01:24:08.390
Jimmy back on.
1706
01:24:08.449 --> 01:24:08.670
Go ahead.
1707
01:24:09.199 --> 01:24:09.979
Yeah.
1708
01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:12.000
When I did the search, did the guy trying to
1709
01:24:12.060 --> 01:24:14.380
determine the exact crossing place of the Alps for Hannibal
1710
01:24:14.420 --> 01:24:19.039
and the elephants ever succeed? It comes back no single blah, blah, blah.
1711
01:24:19.060 --> 01:24:22.260
But it specifically mentions this guy, the dung discovery.
1712
01:24:22.439 --> 01:24:22.619
Yeah.
1713
01:24:22.939 --> 01:24:26.779
Biologist Bill Mahaney and an international team found a churned
1714
01:24:26.859 --> 01:24:30.689
up mass of three foot thick alluvial sediment at the
1715
01:24:30.789 --> 01:24:32.949
Col de la Traversette Pass.
1716
01:24:33.329 --> 01:24:33.590
Right.
1717
01:24:33.630 --> 01:24:38.890
Containing a massive mass animal deposition of ancient horse manure.
1718
01:24:40.090 --> 01:24:47.329
dated right to the time of Hannibal's crossing. So we're
1719
01:24:47.350 --> 01:24:51.010
looking for elephants. They found horses. So is that a,
1720
01:24:51.229 --> 01:24:54.210
you know, the guy was right, but wrong?
1721
01:24:55.670 --> 01:24:59.050
Well, he could have had, you know, what was it?
1722
01:24:59.090 --> 01:25:01.640
There was a group of people that basically lived on
1723
01:25:01.689 --> 01:25:05.760
horseback that also attempted to invade Rome. I think, wasn't
1724
01:25:05.779 --> 01:25:08.699
that the Huns that were like that? Like Attila the Hun, literally?
1725
01:25:10.090 --> 01:25:13.270
you know, had this weird cab cobbling together of a
1726
01:25:13.310 --> 01:25:16.180
whole bunch of different troops, but they basically spent their
1727
01:25:16.220 --> 01:25:19.939
entire lives on horseback. Wasn't that them? Yeah.
1728
01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:20.199
Yeah.
1729
01:25:20.260 --> 01:25:22.979
That was, that was, yeah.
1730
01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:25.819
The Mongols had tribes that were like that as well.
1731
01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:29.029
The Mongolians as well. Yeah. And of course, but.
1732
01:25:28.930 --> 01:25:32.229
They tried, there's been three major things, the dung discovery,
1733
01:25:32.270 --> 01:25:35.850
the energy modeling, where they, they look for areas where
1734
01:25:36.350 --> 01:25:39.640
troops of that size and that amount are would have
1735
01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:43.029
the least amount of effort or energy to get over
1736
01:25:43.069 --> 01:25:44.789
the Alps.
1737
01:25:45.729 --> 01:25:47.010
And they came down.
1738
01:25:46.789 --> 01:25:51.869
That this Col de la Traverse set is probably the
1739
01:25:51.930 --> 01:25:54.270
most likely place as well, which is where they found
1740
01:25:54.329 --> 01:25:55.909
the three foot of horse dung.
1741
01:25:56.270 --> 01:25:56.600
Right.
1742
01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:01.039
Anyway, let's get to Jimmy and see. Jimmy, what do
1743
01:26:01.060 --> 01:26:03.939
you think? Animal Kingdom with Jimmy James. I would love
1744
01:26:03.979 --> 01:26:05.119
to produce that show.
1745
01:26:07.899 --> 01:26:08.319
Well.
1746
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:14.840
It's an idea. Don't matter what show, I definitely want
1747
01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:21.000
a clip of that guy from coast to coast saying,
1748
01:26:22.460 --> 01:26:23.760
did you find scat?
1749
01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:32.659
Did you find scat? Okay. That's great. Hey, did you
1750
01:26:32.979 --> 01:26:36.470
actually hear the thing about UAPs with Larry this week?
1751
01:26:39.939 --> 01:26:42.439
I didn't hear that one. I heard Swanson.
1752
01:26:43.220 --> 01:26:47.210
Yeah, I recorded two on the same night. And I
1753
01:26:47.250 --> 01:26:49.250
do have a Thursday one that I haven't released yet,
1754
01:26:49.310 --> 01:26:53.890
but we did it live. So it'll get out probably
1755
01:26:53.930 --> 01:26:57.600
late tonight. But the one with Swanson and the one
1756
01:26:57.609 --> 01:26:59.000
with Larry are both out.
1757
01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:07.659
Yeah, but not Brad's Thursday.
1758
01:27:08.020 --> 01:27:10.159
Right. We haven't done that. We haven't released it yet.
1759
01:27:10.260 --> 01:27:12.189
We did it, but we didn't release it yet. I
1760
01:27:12.229 --> 01:27:17.810
was otherwise distracted today all day. So I did not
1761
01:27:17.850 --> 01:27:21.340
get to put it out like I would normally. But
1762
01:27:21.380 --> 01:27:26.569
I'll get it out tonight. I promise you guys. You know,
1763
01:27:26.630 --> 01:27:29.189
sometime before daylight where I'm sitting, it'll be out there.
1764
01:27:29.310 --> 01:27:34.270
I'll put it that way. Okay. I might need to
1765
01:27:34.310 --> 01:27:38.449
take a nap, though, after I eat. But, okay. Anyways, Jimmy,
1766
01:27:38.890 --> 01:27:41.380
any other Animal Kingdom facts, or do you want to
1767
01:27:41.420 --> 01:27:43.899
move on to something else? I mean, the floor is yours, bro.
1768
01:27:46.899 --> 01:27:49.220
Well, let's see.
1769
01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:49.310
Hmm.
1770
01:27:54.060 --> 01:27:58.739
Watergate issues I mean and if you guys Don't like
1771
01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:01.319
Jimmy James Wild Kingdom here You know you can always
1772
01:28:01.359 --> 01:28:04.130
call in and change The tenure of the discussion The
1773
01:28:04.189 --> 01:28:08.409
tenor of the discussion Sorry and you can always change
1774
01:28:08.449 --> 01:28:14.649
The topic how about that 319-527-5016 While we're live Obviously
1775
01:28:14.670 --> 01:28:17.970
you can't call into a podcast So remember that Anyways
1776
01:28:18.010 --> 01:28:18.689
Jimmy go ahead.
1777
01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:27.359
Well, you know, let's see. Jack Anderson's on my mind.
1778
01:28:27.380 --> 01:28:29.619
He's from the Wild Kingdom.
1779
01:28:30.460 --> 01:28:36.430
Yeah, both things. That's true. Oh, his JFK shows are
1780
01:28:36.449 --> 01:28:36.869
too much.
1781
01:28:39.029 --> 01:28:39.539
See, I.
1782
01:28:41.050 --> 01:28:44.430
I didn't watch that again, but I listened to like
1783
01:28:44.489 --> 01:28:48.609
an hour and an interview he did right after that
1784
01:28:49.329 --> 01:28:55.069
thing aired. And he was talking about things. And he
1785
01:28:55.149 --> 01:28:59.250
mentioned that whole mud hen situation.
1786
01:29:00.329 --> 01:29:00.710
Okay.
1787
01:29:00.850 --> 01:29:04.229
That reminds me. You know about that, right?
1788
01:29:04.630 --> 01:29:07.899
Well, do us a favor and describe for somebody who's going,
1789
01:29:07.939 --> 01:29:10.199
what the hell is Jimmy talking about? What you mean?
1790
01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:17.760
Well, this show, I should say, was from 1988. So
1791
01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:25.140
it's not like Anderson had the documents we do. But
1792
01:29:25.779 --> 01:29:28.020
first he claimed that he was the only.
1793
01:29:29.710 --> 01:29:32.829
American citizen ever surveilled by the CIA.
1794
01:29:32.869 --> 01:29:33.670
Yeah, right.
1795
01:29:33.710 --> 01:29:34.649
That was a good laugh.
1796
01:29:34.770 --> 01:29:36.609
That's a good one. Yeah.
1797
01:29:36.989 --> 01:29:41.640
After I got done rolling laughing, I unpaused it and
1798
01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:43.000
started playing it again.
1799
01:29:43.380 --> 01:29:44.079
Yeah. And.
1800
01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:45.199
Damn.
1801
01:29:47.359 --> 01:29:52.100
It, I can't... I don't know if it was him
1802
01:29:52.159 --> 01:29:56.739
or the other guy talking about him that was talking about... Okay,
1803
01:29:56.810 --> 01:29:59.399
so it's late 1971.
1804
01:29:59.699 --> 01:30:00.060
Right?
1805
01:30:00.739 --> 01:30:00.939
Right.
1806
01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:08.729
And you know that Jack Anderson won the Pulitzer Prize
1807
01:30:08.970 --> 01:30:16.050
for Punks Award, right? In 1971 for investigative journalism.
1808
01:30:16.369 --> 01:30:21.010
Right. Yeah.
1809
01:30:21.529 --> 01:30:28.149
He had some allegedly pretty good so-called contacts. Enough that
1810
01:30:28.210 --> 01:30:33.250
he wrote a all kinds of stories about how even
1811
01:30:33.289 --> 01:30:37.899
though Nixon was claiming to be neutral between Pakistan and India,
1812
01:30:38.439 --> 01:30:42.600
he was secretly siding with Pakistan, and that's basically what
1813
01:30:43.979 --> 01:30:50.590
Anderson got his award for. Now, around the same time,
1814
01:30:50.850 --> 01:31:01.050
these sensitive sources of Anderson's also told him before there
1815
01:31:01.109 --> 01:31:04.850
was a G. Gordon Liddy, before there was a so-called
1816
01:31:04.909 --> 01:31:09.270
Gemstone plan, any of that crap, that there was going
1817
01:31:09.289 --> 01:31:11.289
to be a break-in and that they were going to
1818
01:31:11.390 --> 01:31:16.390
frame Nixon. This is what the guy told Anderson, I
1819
01:31:16.430 --> 01:31:19.119
don't know what, several months before it happened.
1820
01:31:19.920 --> 01:31:20.220
Right.
1821
01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:24.140
So that's interesting.
1822
01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:29.250
See, Anderson... Go ahead. I was going to say, Anderson's
1823
01:31:29.289 --> 01:31:33.369
an interesting figure because he was, you know, very prominent
1824
01:31:33.569 --> 01:31:36.619
at exactly the time when I got into the assassination
1825
01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:40.180
of JFK. Because, you know, it was around the 25th
1826
01:31:40.260 --> 01:31:43.460
anniversary and that's how he got a lot of budget to,
1827
01:31:43.779 --> 01:31:46.489
you know, do these TV specials. And there was a
1828
01:31:46.550 --> 01:31:50.970
bunch of Jack Anderson TV specials that survived today on YouTube.
1829
01:31:52.399 --> 01:31:54.020
I don't know. I think they were also released as
1830
01:31:54.060 --> 01:31:57.560
home videos at one point, like separately MPI or something
1831
01:31:57.579 --> 01:32:01.819
did it in the 80s as well, probably like 89, 90,
1832
01:32:01.819 --> 01:32:06.270
somewhere in there. But Anderson was, you know, like seen
1833
01:32:06.329 --> 01:32:09.989
as one of the senior journalists who had actually done
1834
01:32:10.050 --> 01:32:14.109
real work on the assassination Watergate. I mean, pretty much
1835
01:32:14.229 --> 01:32:15.909
every political controversy happened.
1836
01:32:16.970 --> 01:32:20.630
No, no, see, that's the peculiar thing.
1837
01:32:22.449 --> 01:32:24.510
He's the dog that did not bark.
1838
01:32:25.170 --> 01:32:27.090
He didn't do much with Watergate.
1839
01:32:27.630 --> 01:32:30.439
See, now there you go. And that comes to the
1840
01:32:30.500 --> 01:32:32.899
second part of what I was going to say about Anderson,
1841
01:32:33.420 --> 01:32:35.560
which is that a lot of people see him as
1842
01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:39.119
a plant and somebody who was working on behalf of
1843
01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:44.409
the intelligence agencies to, you know, minimize and to do
1844
01:32:44.430 --> 01:32:48.159
damage control. So that, look, I'm an investigative journalist, and
1845
01:32:48.180 --> 01:32:50.979
guess what? I'm finding nothing. When it comes to a
1846
01:32:51.020 --> 01:32:55.699
lot of stuff, when the agencies and the various rogues
1847
01:32:55.779 --> 01:32:59.479
and such could have borne responsibility for a great many actions,
1848
01:33:00.539 --> 01:33:03.680
Anderson is one of these guys telling you, well, no, look,
1849
01:33:03.739 --> 01:33:06.319
the mob might have been involved, and there might have
1850
01:33:06.340 --> 01:33:09.500
been some actors who are familiar with this stuff involved,
1851
01:33:09.560 --> 01:33:14.029
but kind of deflecting on behalf of the CIA. And
1852
01:33:14.069 --> 01:33:19.479
he's listed as a contact by the agency in certain files, right,
1853
01:33:19.920 --> 01:33:23.279
by codename. If you check the cryptonyms thing, I think
1854
01:33:23.300 --> 01:33:27.770
you'll find that out over at Mary Farrell. But anyway,
1855
01:33:28.449 --> 01:33:30.909
he's one of those figures where it's like maybe he was,
1856
01:33:31.670 --> 01:33:35.069
you know, for lack of a better term, like a
1857
01:33:35.170 --> 01:33:40.590
shill to minimize the responsibility of of the American intelligence
1858
01:33:40.649 --> 01:33:44.770
agencies when it came to, you know, various deep political actions,
1859
01:33:44.810 --> 01:33:48.939
let's call them, and executive actions. What are your thoughts there, Jimmy?
1860
01:33:48.979 --> 01:33:50.199
I mean, do you think he was more of a
1861
01:33:50.260 --> 01:33:53.159
plant or was he a guy who just wasn't the
1862
01:33:53.199 --> 01:33:56.229
dog that barked because he was being a responsible journalist?
1863
01:33:56.329 --> 01:33:59.529
Or what are your thoughts on Jack Anderson overall on
1864
01:33:59.569 --> 01:34:00.350
that side of the coin?
1865
01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:08.930
Well, he was the heir apparent from Drew Pearson. I mean,
1866
01:34:08.939 --> 01:34:10.229
he did the work.
1867
01:34:11.229 --> 01:34:12.430
He could show the work.
1868
01:34:12.529 --> 01:34:18.810
He was an honest-to-goodness upbreaker. But what I think happened
1869
01:34:18.890 --> 01:34:26.010
is that whole Mud Hen situation, whatever happened there, scared.
1870
01:34:25.710 --> 01:34:26.810
The devil out of him.
1871
01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:32.020
It was his understanding that the CIA was watching him
1872
01:34:32.140 --> 01:34:36.720
and quote-unquote after him. So he kind.
1873
01:34:36.500 --> 01:34:38.710
Of stayed out of this whole Watergate thing.
1874
01:34:39.470 --> 01:34:42.250
I mean, think about it. He just won the Pulitzer
1875
01:34:42.289 --> 01:34:46.710
the year before. Then the next year, Watergate breaks out
1876
01:34:46.729 --> 01:34:50.789
in June. That's not that interesting.
1877
01:34:53.569 --> 01:34:55.600
Well, what do you think, BP? What are your thoughts
1878
01:34:55.680 --> 01:34:56.460
on Jack Anderson?
1879
01:34:58.890 --> 01:35:00.250
Jack Anderson? I don't know.
1880
01:35:00.270 --> 01:35:02.210
I really don't have any opinion of him.
1881
01:35:02.449 --> 01:35:04.560
I listened to him when he was on radio and
1882
01:35:04.659 --> 01:35:07.619
read his columns.
1883
01:35:09.079 --> 01:35:10.619
Watergate was so convoluted.
1884
01:35:10.979 --> 01:35:13.659
I think we're finding out now that Nixon didn't really
1885
01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:16.439
have a clue about anything. People put him in the
1886
01:35:16.460 --> 01:35:18.680
middle of the situation and he stepped down rather than
1887
01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:19.350
be impeached.
1888
01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:21.630
Screw you bastards. I'm going to go out on my
1889
01:35:21.689 --> 01:35:22.109
own terms.
1890
01:35:23.050 --> 01:35:26.090
Right, because I think at a certain point he determined
1891
01:35:26.850 --> 01:35:29.930
rather rightly that that he didn't know what he might be,
1892
01:35:30.189 --> 01:35:32.850
you know, sort of implicated in next. Not that it
1893
01:35:32.890 --> 01:35:37.630
was a legitimate implication, but that he could be implicated
1894
01:35:37.810 --> 01:35:43.310
because they would create circumstances where he could be implicated. Oh, yeah.
1895
01:35:43.350 --> 01:35:44.550
I mean, entirely.
1896
01:35:44.630 --> 01:35:46.829
You know, they would ask him for comment on something
1897
01:35:46.850 --> 01:35:48.829
that he didn't have any knowledge about. So no matter
1898
01:35:48.869 --> 01:35:51.789
what he said, you know, all it took was the
1899
01:35:51.890 --> 01:35:54.949
next day for one or two people to say, well,
1900
01:35:54.989 --> 01:35:56.069
he knew what was going on.
1901
01:35:56.229 --> 01:35:59.369
Well, that sealed it. Mm-hmm. You know, Nixon had his
1902
01:35:59.409 --> 01:36:01.630
hand on everything. He knew exactly what was going on.
1903
01:36:01.810 --> 01:36:04.050
Nixon didn't have a fucking clue. He relied on his
1904
01:36:04.090 --> 01:36:09.819
damn staff, just like every president does. There's very few
1905
01:36:09.920 --> 01:36:13.539
that know what's going on in every department at any
1906
01:36:13.579 --> 01:36:18.239
given time. These guys pulled a slick one behind Nixon's
1907
01:36:18.300 --> 01:36:21.949
back and got caught, and Nixon took the brunt of it.
1908
01:36:22.729 --> 01:36:25.439
Right. Turn simple and set him up.
1909
01:36:25.649 --> 01:36:28.930
And I would argue there's enough circumstantial evidence to suggest
1910
01:36:29.029 --> 01:36:34.329
that they got themselves intentionally caught. Some people on that team. Yeah,
1911
01:36:34.430 --> 01:36:36.590
I really do. I really do. Based on some of
1912
01:36:36.609 --> 01:36:37.569
the stuff that we see there.
1913
01:36:37.609 --> 01:36:37.810
Yeah.
1914
01:36:38.250 --> 01:36:40.720
I'm going to put Jimmy on hold. We got another caller.
1915
01:36:41.260 --> 01:36:43.380
So I'm going to see who that is because I'm
1916
01:36:43.420 --> 01:36:47.279
not familiar with this number off the top of my head. Anyway,
1917
01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:49.680
you're live on the Friday night open mic. What's on
1918
01:36:49.699 --> 01:36:50.100
your mind?
1919
01:36:51.300 --> 01:36:54.180
Well, Chuck, this is Ed. And I figured I better
1920
01:36:54.239 --> 01:36:56.510
call and put in my vote.
1921
01:36:56.869 --> 01:36:58.229
Hey, everybody.
1922
01:36:59.130 --> 01:37:01.229
I got to put in a vote for, hell yes,
1923
01:37:01.310 --> 01:37:02.409
Jimmy's Wild Kingdom.
1924
01:37:02.789 --> 01:37:03.359
Let's have it.
1925
01:37:03.750 --> 01:37:04.979
Yeah.
1926
01:37:05.100 --> 01:37:06.520
Start it tonight after this.
1927
01:37:07.710 --> 01:37:11.029
You ready, Jimmy? I put Jimmy on hold, but I
1928
01:37:11.050 --> 01:37:13.170
know you want an episode on squirrels, right?
1929
01:37:13.729 --> 01:37:14.010
I mean.
1930
01:37:14.569 --> 01:37:19.180
Hey, anything about animals, and I got an animal story, too.
1931
01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:20.680
I don't know much about the pigeons.
1932
01:37:21.060 --> 01:37:21.920
Okay, yeah, tell us.
1933
01:37:22.119 --> 01:37:26.500
But I've been working with the Stellar's Jays. If you're
1934
01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:28.659
familiar with them, they're the black hooded jays, I call them.
1935
01:37:28.699 --> 01:37:33.810
I hate animals named after some asshole. But Stellar's was
1936
01:37:33.850 --> 01:37:36.369
a guy, and so somebody named him. So the Black
1937
01:37:36.409 --> 01:37:40.010
Hooded Jays, otherwise Stellar Jays, I feed them peanuts for
1938
01:37:40.050 --> 01:37:44.289
many years. And I sit out on my deck. And lately,
1939
01:37:44.369 --> 01:37:48.579
there's one that sits about four feet from me on
1940
01:37:48.619 --> 01:37:52.079
a little table, a makeshift table. And he looks at me,
1941
01:37:52.119 --> 01:37:52.489
looks at me.
1942
01:37:52.520 --> 01:37:53.359
So I held a nut.
1943
01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:54.380
I'm holding the nut.
1944
01:37:54.279 --> 01:37:55.840
Up, see if he'll come and take it from me.
1945
01:37:56.779 --> 01:37:58.899
But he'll flap at me, come flapping at me like
1946
01:37:58.939 --> 01:38:03.760
this wild thing, and then turn around. Well... Wednesday I
1947
01:38:03.859 --> 01:38:06.640
had it like that and I actually the nut slipped
1948
01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:10.539
out of my finger he swooped down at me he
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01:38:10.579 --> 01:38:13.159
took a little circle turn and about three feet away
1950
01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:15.739
he noticed that that thing fell out of my hand
1951
01:38:15.819 --> 01:38:18.489
onto my leg he came right back down and snatched
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01:38:18.529 --> 01:38:22.250
it and it wasn't long before after that I got
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01:38:22.270 --> 01:38:26.069
him to take one from my fingers maybe uh oh
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01:38:26.130 --> 01:38:30.180
three four times and then I worked yesterday couldn't couldn't
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01:38:30.220 --> 01:38:33.539
go out with him so today i'm off went out
1956
01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:35.869
there sitting there and i was fooling around lighting my
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01:38:35.930 --> 01:38:38.029
pipe but didn't even have the can of nuts open
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01:38:38.569 --> 01:38:41.869
and he swoops down and kicks my leg just to
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01:38:41.909 --> 01:38:44.720
let me know he was there So I got the
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01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:48.800
nuts out, and now he's my buddy. He just swoops
1961
01:38:48.859 --> 01:38:53.689
right down, hits my knee, takes the nut, like we're
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01:38:53.729 --> 01:38:57.590
old friends now. So just one of my little.
1963
01:39:00.250 --> 01:39:04.149
Radagast stories. If you remember, Radagast was a very small
1964
01:39:04.220 --> 01:39:06.039
character in the Lord of the Rings, but he was
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01:39:06.079 --> 01:39:08.380
said to be a, he was the brown wizard and
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01:39:08.420 --> 01:39:09.539
the friend of the animals.
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01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:10.220
Right.
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01:39:10.420 --> 01:39:13.399
So I always related to that guy, even though he
1969
01:39:13.439 --> 01:39:14.899
had a tiny part in the books.
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01:39:15.239 --> 01:39:16.199
No, cool.
1971
01:39:16.680 --> 01:39:17.899
I got a quick question for Ed.
1972
01:39:18.039 --> 01:39:18.460
Yeah, go ahead.
1973
01:39:19.689 --> 01:39:21.989
What geographical area are you located in?
1974
01:39:23.449 --> 01:39:24.949
Pacific Northwest, Washington.
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01:39:25.210 --> 01:39:27.909
Pacific Northwest. Oh, you're up from my old stomper.
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01:39:27.930 --> 01:39:30.369
I was born in Bremerton. Right.
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01:39:30.449 --> 01:39:32.390
I remember we talked once before, and you mentioned that.
1978
01:39:32.449 --> 01:39:35.750
You knew a bunch of the same places that I
1979
01:39:36.189 --> 01:39:37.869
know about. Yeah, I'm over by Hood Canal.
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01:39:39.930 --> 01:39:40.890
Oh, okay.
1981
01:39:41.649 --> 01:39:42.270
No, no, Jay.
1982
01:39:42.329 --> 01:39:43.529
The Stellar's Jay.
1983
01:39:43.810 --> 01:39:45.170
I was going to ask about that, too.
1984
01:39:45.189 --> 01:39:48.899
Go ahead. I had a crow where I lived on
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01:39:48.939 --> 01:39:52.619
the lake years and years ago that when we were
1986
01:39:52.659 --> 01:39:54.840
building the house, a lot of times out on the
1987
01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:56.800
porch while I was doing work and stuff like that,
1988
01:39:56.859 --> 01:40:00.010
I would lay stuff on the railing. for the porch
1989
01:40:00.090 --> 01:40:05.810
which was one floor up um and this this crow
1990
01:40:05.850 --> 01:40:08.779
would come and of course i had bird feeders and
1991
01:40:08.819 --> 01:40:11.859
stuff and i would set peanuts and and sunflower seeds
1992
01:40:11.920 --> 01:40:15.600
and stuff on that railing he would always he would
1993
01:40:15.659 --> 01:40:19.199
come and then the next time i noticed him coming
1994
01:40:19.970 --> 01:40:23.810
he brought me the tab part of a drink can
1995
01:40:24.909 --> 01:40:27.449
and put it left it on the rail and took
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01:40:27.510 --> 01:40:31.630
his seeds and left And then every time there would
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01:40:31.949 --> 01:40:37.189
be some collection of junk on my porch railing, he
1998
01:40:37.210 --> 01:40:39.989
would leave there. It might be the spoon off a
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01:40:40.060 --> 01:40:44.279
fishing lure from down near the water's edge, or it
2000
01:40:44.359 --> 01:40:47.659
might be a bobber that someone had used fishing that
2001
01:40:47.699 --> 01:40:50.340
got hung in a tree somewhere. But it usually was
2002
01:40:50.380 --> 01:40:55.619
shiny objects, aluminum, strips of metal, nails, things like that.
2003
01:40:57.319 --> 01:41:00.119
Neat. So he was like paying you in shiny objects
2004
01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:00.800
for the food.
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01:41:01.180 --> 01:41:02.319
Well, yeah.
2006
01:41:02.420 --> 01:41:05.100
The crows and jays are related. You know, they're corvids
2007
01:41:05.430 --> 01:41:08.350
is what they call them. And the magpies and the
2008
01:41:08.789 --> 01:41:11.250
ravens as well. And they have some different ones over
2009
01:41:11.329 --> 01:41:14.109
in Europe and stuff. But yeah, all those four bird
2010
01:41:14.149 --> 01:41:17.350
species are related. They classify them as corvids.
2011
01:41:17.390 --> 01:41:19.510
And one of the blue jays a.
2012
01:41:19.510 --> 01:41:23.939
Few years ago, brought me something but it was something
2013
01:41:23.979 --> 01:41:26.460
he knew was mine because there was an owl coming
2014
01:41:26.560 --> 01:41:30.420
out early to uh predate like in three in the
2015
01:41:30.500 --> 01:41:34.680
afternoon before they normally come out and he was you
2016
01:41:34.720 --> 01:41:37.500
know spying the squirrels and the jays and the jays
2017
01:41:37.520 --> 01:41:39.649
were flying down on the limb kicking him and the
2018
01:41:39.819 --> 01:41:43.130
squirrels were yelling at him i finally went and bought
2019
01:41:43.170 --> 01:41:46.810
a slingshot because i didn't want to kill him the
2020
01:41:46.970 --> 01:41:51.750
owl obviously but uh I got the glass rounds, not
2021
01:41:51.789 --> 01:41:55.350
the steel ones. They're just like little white marbles. And
2022
01:41:55.390 --> 01:41:59.050
I finally I fired a few. I think I took
2023
01:41:59.170 --> 01:42:00.970
three shots to hone in. Then I drilled him in
2024
01:42:00.989 --> 01:42:04.390
the chest and he flew at me. I later read
2025
01:42:04.449 --> 01:42:07.850
up on him. They're very aggressive. They've attacked humans, actually.
2026
01:42:08.529 --> 01:42:12.220
But anyway, I hit him and he didn't like it.
2027
01:42:12.770 --> 01:42:15.390
And when he flew towards me, he landed on a
2028
01:42:15.569 --> 01:42:18.359
nearby limb. He saw me reloading, and.
2029
01:42:18.300 --> 01:42:20.659
He didn't want any more of that. So he flew away.
2030
01:42:21.699 --> 01:42:26.590
Now, months later, I'm sitting out there, and this J
2031
01:42:26.850 --> 01:42:30.970
lands on the corner of the deck rail. And he
2032
01:42:31.050 --> 01:42:34.869
spits up one of those marbles towards me like he
2033
01:42:34.909 --> 01:42:37.050
knew it was mine. You know, like, yeah, I remember
2034
01:42:37.069 --> 01:42:39.130
you getting rid of that owl with one of these. So, hey,
2035
01:42:39.550 --> 01:42:41.250
I found this out there and I'm bringing it back
2036
01:42:41.289 --> 01:42:47.239
to you. They're amazingly intelligent birds, the crows, the jays,
2037
01:42:47.260 --> 01:42:47.960
the magpies.
2038
01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:49.810
Funny story.
2039
01:42:50.479 --> 01:42:54.100
When my girlfriend was over here from Switzerland, we were
2040
01:42:54.199 --> 01:42:56.300
at my parents' place, which is out in the country.
2041
01:42:56.699 --> 01:42:59.159
And they've got this huge, there was like a big
2042
01:42:59.279 --> 01:43:01.800
hedgerow and then right into the woods. And we were
2043
01:43:01.819 --> 01:43:05.140
walking around back there. And her daughter was out driving
2044
01:43:05.180 --> 01:43:07.020
a golf cart around. So we were just walking along
2045
01:43:07.039 --> 01:43:13.479
the edge. And this J, the crow, landed. And she goes, oh, look,
2046
01:43:14.220 --> 01:43:16.880
a crow. I said, that's not a crow. So what
2047
01:43:16.899 --> 01:43:18.100
do you mean it's not a crow? I said, it's
2048
01:43:18.140 --> 01:43:21.119
a raven. Well, ravens are common over there in Switzerland
2049
01:43:21.159 --> 01:43:23.699
where the area she was in. But they're much bigger
2050
01:43:23.899 --> 01:43:26.029
than crows. But she looked at it. I said, that's
2051
01:43:26.069 --> 01:43:28.569
a raven. I said, look at his beak. It's black.
2052
01:43:29.750 --> 01:43:31.529
She says, that doesn't make a difference.
2053
01:43:31.590 --> 01:43:32.289
I said, sure it does.
2054
01:43:32.350 --> 01:43:36.539
I said, remember heckle and jekle? She goes, the cartoon crows?
2055
01:43:36.619 --> 01:43:38.779
I said, yeah. What color was their beak? Well, it
2056
01:43:38.819 --> 01:43:40.840
was yellow. I said, see, that's the difference. That's how
2057
01:43:40.859 --> 01:43:44.140
you tell the difference between a crow and a.
2058
01:43:44.180 --> 01:43:47.020
Can you do a search, BP, because I could have
2059
01:43:47.039 --> 01:43:48.850
swore Heckle and Jekyll were magpies.
2060
01:43:50.750 --> 01:43:51.590
I thought they were crows.
2061
01:43:51.710 --> 01:43:53.609
I thought they were magpies. That's why I'm saying, can
2062
01:43:53.630 --> 01:43:55.689
you do a search real quick? Because I'm curious now,
2063
01:43:55.710 --> 01:43:58.609
because you're saying they're crows. And I'm thinking, did I
2064
01:43:58.649 --> 01:44:00.449
have that wrong all these years? Because I could have
2065
01:44:00.470 --> 01:44:00.949
swore they were magpies.
2066
01:44:00.970 --> 01:44:01.989
Maybe I've had it wrong all these years.
2067
01:44:02.050 --> 01:44:02.970
I thought they were crows.
2068
01:44:03.250 --> 01:44:05.529
I don't know. But I'm just curious because I watched
2069
01:44:05.569 --> 01:44:06.850
heckle and jekyll cartoons when.
2070
01:44:06.789 --> 01:44:07.039
I was a kid.
2071
01:44:07.069 --> 01:44:08.550
Yep, yellow-billed magpies.
2072
01:44:08.810 --> 01:44:11.850
Oh, there you go. Okay, so I'm not wrong. All right.
2073
01:44:12.189 --> 01:44:13.649
I was like, wait a minute. They're crows?
2074
01:44:14.289 --> 01:44:14.649
Okay, sorry.
2075
01:44:14.670 --> 01:44:16.489
I've never seen a yellow-billed magpie.
2076
01:44:16.649 --> 01:44:18.989
Well, that's what they were allegedly. You know, I've never
2077
01:44:19.029 --> 01:44:23.279
seen a mouse wearing, you know, freaking overalls or whatever
2078
01:44:23.300 --> 01:44:25.399
they call those. But, you know, Mickey Mouse.
2079
01:44:25.420 --> 01:44:25.659
The original.
2080
01:44:26.479 --> 01:44:30.840
The original, the prototypes didn't have yellow bills.
2081
01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:33.840
Oh, man. Well, they were black and white at first,
2082
01:44:33.880 --> 01:44:34.180
weren't they?
2083
01:44:34.420 --> 01:44:35.539
Damn magpies talk.
2084
01:44:37.720 --> 01:44:39.119
I don't know.
2085
01:44:39.199 --> 01:44:42.159
I think I've heard that, but crows can talk, too.
2086
01:44:43.460 --> 01:44:45.779
I read a whole book on the corvids a few
2087
01:44:45.819 --> 01:44:51.279
years ago, and people used to have crows as pets
2088
01:44:51.800 --> 01:44:54.579
in the last century, early parts of it. And somehow
2089
01:44:54.600 --> 01:44:57.619
it got made illegal. which wouldn't stop anybody if you
2090
01:44:57.659 --> 01:44:59.600
lived out in the country and knew how to befriend
2091
01:44:59.659 --> 01:45:02.600
a crow. I have crows here, but they don't come
2092
01:45:02.720 --> 01:45:07.189
down and feed or anything. They don't really settle near
2093
01:45:07.279 --> 01:45:11.710
where I live because we have quite a colony of
2094
01:45:11.789 --> 01:45:16.069
ravens or whatever they would go as. And ravens and
2095
01:45:16.149 --> 01:45:18.210
crows don't like each other.
2096
01:45:18.529 --> 01:45:21.399
See, I'm curious right there. I'm curious right there.
2097
01:45:21.500 --> 01:45:21.619
Yeah.
2098
01:45:23.270 --> 01:45:27.000
I'm curious. Sorry, I keep trying to I'm sorry. I
2099
01:45:27.000 --> 01:45:29.260
keep trying to jump in thinking you're done and I'm
2100
01:45:29.520 --> 01:45:32.659
messing you up. I'm sorry about that. I'm actually I
2101
01:45:32.800 --> 01:45:36.680
have another curiosity because I always thought that, you know,
2102
01:45:37.180 --> 01:45:40.199
the reason why ravens became a problem or crows and
2103
01:45:40.239 --> 01:45:44.180
ravens become a problem is because of superstitions that emerged.
2104
01:45:44.659 --> 01:45:47.239
Like they were just fine as like, you know, friendly
2105
01:45:47.340 --> 01:45:51.779
animals until, you know, the bad sign. you know, of
2106
01:45:52.199 --> 01:45:55.750
the black bird became prominent in culture. Yeah, sorry, go ahead.
2107
01:45:56.069 --> 01:46:01.710
It depends on the cultures. Over in Asian countries, Korea
2108
01:46:01.909 --> 01:46:06.359
and China and that, crows, you know, everybody associates the
2109
01:46:06.399 --> 01:46:11.399
crows with, you know, bad things. But over there, the
2110
01:46:11.479 --> 01:46:16.430
crow represents someone who went through a lot of crap
2111
01:46:17.180 --> 01:46:20.739
and came out victorious in the end. Something about the
2112
01:46:20.840 --> 01:46:24.880
life of the Crow and what they went through in
2113
01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:25.939
the past or something.
2114
01:46:26.079 --> 01:46:26.460
I don't know.
2115
01:46:26.539 --> 01:46:32.380
But a group just put out a song called Crow,
2116
01:46:32.850 --> 01:46:35.520
and it talks about what they went through during their
2117
01:46:35.560 --> 01:46:38.430
training days and everything, and that the Crow represents them
2118
01:46:38.510 --> 01:46:39.470
because of that.
2119
01:46:39.850 --> 01:46:43.380
Coming out at the end. making it through the trials
2120
01:46:43.460 --> 01:46:44.260
and the tribulations.
2121
01:46:44.279 --> 01:46:47.310
So it has different connotations depending on the culture.
2122
01:46:47.390 --> 01:46:47.550
Right.
2123
01:46:47.560 --> 01:46:49.569
And that's part of the premise of the writing for
2124
01:46:49.590 --> 01:46:52.369
the movie, the crow, which, you know, Brandon Lee started, right.
2125
01:46:53.010 --> 01:46:55.729
Is that, you know, he's a, somebody who was victimized
2126
01:46:55.770 --> 01:46:58.270
and then emerges, you know, in vengeance and all that
2127
01:46:58.310 --> 01:47:01.750
during the movie, you know, and that's why that's based
2128
01:47:01.829 --> 01:47:04.750
on the Asian understanding of the crow and the life cycle.
2129
01:47:04.789 --> 01:47:07.850
I get that part, but I'm thinking that where they're
2130
01:47:07.869 --> 01:47:11.430
made illegal, You know, as pets and all that, I
2131
01:47:11.470 --> 01:47:14.310
wonder if it's that or if it's because there's difficulty
2132
01:47:14.350 --> 01:47:17.670
domesticating them or, you know what I'm saying? Like, is
2133
01:47:17.729 --> 01:47:20.569
it just basically a stigma that was attached to the animal?
2134
01:47:21.069 --> 01:47:24.569
Because that's happened a few times with certain animals where
2135
01:47:24.590 --> 01:47:26.609
there's a stigma attached to them. And I'm just curious
2136
01:47:26.649 --> 01:47:29.989
if the crow is victim of that. Any thoughts on that, Ed?
2137
01:47:32.060 --> 01:47:32.920
I don't really know.
2138
01:47:32.979 --> 01:47:35.779
I don't remember why it was, if they said in
2139
01:47:35.819 --> 01:47:39.210
the book I'd read on it, whether they, what the
2140
01:47:39.289 --> 01:47:42.470
reason for, I can't remember if there was, what they
2141
01:47:42.529 --> 01:47:45.060
said was the reason for them being declared illegal or
2142
01:47:45.069 --> 01:47:48.359
if they even said, but they did mention that it
2143
01:47:48.399 --> 01:47:51.920
became illegal to keep crows for whatever reason, you know,
2144
01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:52.500
as a pet.
2145
01:47:52.859 --> 01:47:53.020
Mm-hmm.
2146
01:47:54.170 --> 01:47:56.970
Which I can't see why that would matter, you know.
2147
01:47:57.170 --> 01:47:58.109
I could see it today.
2148
01:47:58.130 --> 01:48:02.359
Oh, well, you're going to spread bird-borne diseases if you
2149
01:48:02.380 --> 01:48:04.279
do that. I could see all the crap they'd come
2150
01:48:04.319 --> 01:48:07.680
up with today, but I can't imagine earlier why. So
2151
01:48:07.720 --> 01:48:11.939
I suspect it was some of that, you know, fear
2152
01:48:11.979 --> 01:48:13.390
of the blackbird or whatever.
2153
01:48:13.689 --> 01:48:15.300
Some of the stigma attached.
2154
01:48:15.300 --> 01:48:19.279
I really don't know why they declared it illegal, but, yeah.
2155
01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:21.770
Not fair enough it's strange i just i just thought
2156
01:48:21.779 --> 01:48:24.149
it was an interesting you know just interesting uh thought
2157
01:48:24.409 --> 01:48:28.270
uh process there so anyway look we're actually getting toward
2158
01:48:28.310 --> 01:48:31.539
the last 10 minutes here And Jimmy James is still
2159
01:48:31.619 --> 01:48:33.659
on the line. So I definitely want to get, you know,
2160
01:48:33.779 --> 01:48:36.800
some final summations from him. But we got kind of
2161
01:48:36.840 --> 01:48:39.750
an addendum to the Jimmy James Wild Kingdom with this
2162
01:48:39.810 --> 01:48:44.529
discussion of other birds. This is like the bird show tonight, really, because,
2163
01:48:44.590 --> 01:48:47.609
I mean, we've discussed crows and magpies, found out, confirmed
2164
01:48:47.649 --> 01:48:52.699
that heckling pigeons were magpies, pigeons, hawks. Right. Uh, I
2165
01:48:52.720 --> 01:48:55.800
brought up monkeys cause I'm stupid. Uh, but you know,
2166
01:48:55.920 --> 01:48:58.479
it's okay. Uh, I don't mind. And, uh, we had
2167
01:48:58.520 --> 01:49:01.039
mostly a bird theme here. Uh, BP, what do you think?
2168
01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:03.960
Oh yeah.
2169
01:49:03.979 --> 01:49:06.430
Well, you know, but you're going to get an email,
2170
01:49:07.310 --> 01:49:10.630
you know, can't believe y'all talking about this when all
2171
01:49:10.649 --> 01:49:11.649
they had to do was call in.
2172
01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:15.300
Yeah of course somebody will complain because i suck but
2173
01:49:15.359 --> 01:49:18.510
that's okay uh i don't mind anyways ed it is
2174
01:49:18.609 --> 01:49:20.449
so good to hear you on this show because i
2175
01:49:20.470 --> 01:49:22.470
don't i don't remember you you must have called in
2176
01:49:22.510 --> 01:49:24.170
here once a long time ago.
2177
01:49:24.630 --> 01:49:27.670
I've called a time or two and uh you know
2178
01:49:27.729 --> 01:49:29.989
not stayed on i had to jump off but you
2179
01:49:30.010 --> 01:49:32.149
know threw in a subject or something but and i
2180
01:49:32.189 --> 01:49:35.340
know i've talked to bp a few times uh Right.
2181
01:49:35.439 --> 01:49:37.680
I think like behind the scenes, we were talking about
2182
01:49:37.840 --> 01:49:40.310
where we lived and stuff during a break or something.
2183
01:49:40.409 --> 01:49:41.829
You know what? That might have been one of those
2184
01:49:41.890 --> 01:49:44.329
nights where I just like left the calls up, you know,
2185
01:49:44.470 --> 01:49:47.189
after the show. Yeah, because I used to do that
2186
01:49:47.229 --> 01:49:50.010
a lot because everybody still wanted to talk, you know,
2187
01:49:50.229 --> 01:49:51.750
and I just be like, all right, go ahead, talk
2188
01:49:51.770 --> 01:49:53.609
through the thing. And now, you know, when you guys
2189
01:49:53.670 --> 01:49:55.569
are done, just hang up and I'll hang it up later.
2190
01:49:57.010 --> 01:50:00.069
You know, I don't mind that kind of thing. But, yeah,
2191
01:50:00.189 --> 01:50:02.310
as we get toward the closing of this one, Ed, though,
2192
01:50:02.409 --> 01:50:05.569
anything you want to punctuate your appearance here? Because I
2193
01:50:05.609 --> 01:50:08.810
really appreciate it. It was really educational. Go ahead.
2194
01:50:09.880 --> 01:50:13.340
Yeah, first off, that phone, I had to call in
2195
01:50:13.539 --> 01:50:16.140
on my little flip phone because I had a damn
2196
01:50:16.159 --> 01:50:18.159
guy come by Wednesday because they said they have to
2197
01:50:18.199 --> 01:50:19.720
put in a new router and all that.
2198
01:50:20.039 --> 01:50:20.800
Oh, boy.
2199
01:50:20.939 --> 01:50:24.260
And I picked up my regular phone today, and it
2200
01:50:24.340 --> 01:50:25.020
wasn't working.
2201
01:50:25.909 --> 01:50:26.430
Okay.
2202
01:50:26.630 --> 01:50:28.909
But now, so I got the cell phone out. I
2203
01:50:28.930 --> 01:50:30.949
just want you to know that number you called me
2204
01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:34.199
on a while back is still good.
2205
01:50:34.819 --> 01:50:35.159
Oh, good.
2206
01:50:35.359 --> 01:50:39.899
So I may have to, you know, call them. But
2207
01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:42.159
now I'm getting a dial tone on the regular phone.
2208
01:50:42.180 --> 01:50:46.359
But anyway, that's all that was. But, no, Danny hasn't
2209
01:50:46.479 --> 01:50:49.079
been in tonight, but I'm pretty sure he would be
2210
01:50:49.159 --> 01:50:52.600
all in on Jimmy's Wild Kingdom, too, if we were
2211
01:50:52.640 --> 01:50:53.260
taking a vote.
2212
01:50:53.340 --> 01:50:53.520
Yeah.
2213
01:50:54.109 --> 01:50:55.949
Yeah, no, I'm not going to speak for him, but
2214
01:50:56.069 --> 01:50:56.689
I bet he would.
2215
01:50:56.949 --> 01:50:57.130
Right.
2216
01:50:57.149 --> 01:51:00.010
I know Danny will probably listen to this later and
2217
01:51:00.069 --> 01:51:01.949
I'll get an email from Danny, but it won't be
2218
01:51:02.020 --> 01:51:04.260
criticized to me. He'll tell me that he wants to
2219
01:51:04.300 --> 01:51:07.560
hear it or not for sure. So, yeah, no, I
2220
01:51:07.600 --> 01:51:10.399
definitely would love to hear about Danny. Danny loves animals
2221
01:51:10.460 --> 01:51:10.939
in general.
2222
01:51:11.739 --> 01:51:12.819
Um, yeah, well me too.
2223
01:51:12.920 --> 01:51:14.779
So, and it sounds like a lot of us do you,
2224
01:51:14.840 --> 01:51:17.479
I mean, you've got all your dogs and everything, you.
2225
01:51:17.399 --> 01:51:18.659
Know, well, that's a funny thing.
2226
01:51:18.680 --> 01:51:19.670
We all love animals, don't we?
2227
01:51:19.819 --> 01:51:23.729
Yeah. Danny's involved in the, uh, the whole kennel, uh, like,
2228
01:51:23.770 --> 01:51:26.850
you know, dog breeding and stuff like that, uh, in California,
2229
01:51:27.550 --> 01:51:32.029
which is really fascinating to me. Uh, but, uh, matter
2230
01:51:32.069 --> 01:51:34.489
of fact, earlier today, I emailed him about my dog
2231
01:51:34.529 --> 01:51:39.140
Buster because he's having a issue with seizures, uh, And like,
2232
01:51:39.319 --> 01:51:41.159
I don't want to take him to the vet, but
2233
01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:42.880
I want to see, you know, I gave him some
2234
01:51:42.920 --> 01:51:46.289
CBD and it mellowed him out because I know that
2235
01:51:46.350 --> 01:51:50.630
should work. But, you know, not being a vet myself,
2236
01:51:51.449 --> 01:51:53.770
I have general ideas and I've always been able to
2237
01:51:53.810 --> 01:51:58.609
take care of my own dogs. But Buster's being unusually
2238
01:51:58.649 --> 01:52:02.510
having problems. He's thrashing around and stuff. And, you know,
2239
01:52:02.869 --> 01:52:04.880
and I don't want to have him suffer it. So
2240
01:52:04.920 --> 01:52:06.779
I'm trying to figure out a natural thing, something I
2241
01:52:06.800 --> 01:52:09.460
can feed him or whatever. So anybody wants to email
2242
01:52:09.479 --> 01:52:13.600
me about that, by the way, blindjfkresearcher at gmail.com, or
2243
01:52:13.640 --> 01:52:17.539
you can click the email icon on ocelli.com. I'll be
2244
01:52:17.579 --> 01:52:20.619
more than happy to, you know, take some sage advice
2245
01:52:20.699 --> 01:52:24.880
if somebody knows a bit more about dogs than I do. Because,
2246
01:52:24.920 --> 01:52:30.659
you know, Buster's having involuntary problems, and we'll call it that.
2247
01:52:30.689 --> 01:52:33.350
And I take it to be seizures. Could be an
2248
01:52:33.409 --> 01:52:37.449
issue with his equilibrium as well. But but it's I
2249
01:52:37.489 --> 01:52:40.949
think he started having these problems right after he got neutered,
2250
01:52:41.869 --> 01:52:43.970
which might have something to do with the anesthesia. And
2251
01:52:44.029 --> 01:52:47.189
sometimes there are weird, you know, side effects to anesthesia
2252
01:52:47.250 --> 01:52:50.789
on animals, you know, but I would like to mitigate them.
2253
01:52:50.869 --> 01:52:55.069
If anybody has any, you know, experience with that, by
2254
01:52:55.109 --> 01:52:58.920
all means message me. Anyways, go ahead and drop your
2255
01:52:58.939 --> 01:53:02.060
final thoughts outside of Danny probably going with the book.
2256
01:53:02.079 --> 01:53:05.699
Okay, yeah, I'm with you. I'm for sure as wary
2257
01:53:05.890 --> 01:53:10.689
of veterinarians as I am of our medical system because
2258
01:53:10.710 --> 01:53:13.970
they're all being bought up by these conglomerates. You can
2259
01:53:14.029 --> 01:53:18.310
hardly get an appointment. And I just don't trust them anymore.
2260
01:53:18.489 --> 01:53:21.970
You know, I just don't trust the vets. So if
2261
01:53:22.029 --> 01:53:27.090
my animal's not in pain, I'm probably not. good that
2262
01:53:27.149 --> 01:53:29.289
i know they're in pain i'm probably not going to
2263
01:53:29.329 --> 01:53:33.500
be taking them to a vet myself either because yeah
2264
01:53:33.539 --> 01:53:36.140
that's that's a whole crap show now to the vet
2265
01:53:36.500 --> 01:53:40.420
situation and most of anyways no yeah i just appreciate
2266
01:53:40.460 --> 01:53:42.159
everybody i don't take them any more time because i
2267
01:53:42.180 --> 01:53:46.779
could just keep yapping but uh no it's okay everybody
2268
01:53:46.899 --> 01:53:47.960
and everything so.
2269
01:53:48.239 --> 01:53:50.449
Thank you man listen i hope you uh i hope
2270
01:53:50.489 --> 01:53:52.949
you call in often on the show you know as
2271
01:53:53.050 --> 01:53:55.010
often as you did with aaron or you know even
2272
01:53:55.050 --> 01:53:56.930
half as much i'd be more than happy to hear
2273
01:53:56.970 --> 01:53:57.390
from you.
2274
01:53:57.770 --> 01:54:00.329
Yeah i'm gonna try yeah i'm gonna try to to
2275
01:54:00.369 --> 01:54:03.250
do that and i appreciate you know the animal topic
2276
01:54:03.329 --> 01:54:06.710
i can do i i can't really uh do a
2277
01:54:06.729 --> 01:54:11.109
whole lot of contemporary news issues or anything, but I'll
2278
01:54:11.140 --> 01:54:13.319
just call in and change the subject to the animals back.
2279
01:54:13.340 --> 01:54:16.739
You know, and that's fine. If you become the animal
2280
01:54:16.760 --> 01:54:19.520
guy on here, I'm thrilled, you know, maybe we could
2281
01:54:19.560 --> 01:54:22.750
do wild kingdom with Ed. Uh, I, I would love that.
2282
01:54:22.930 --> 01:54:23.630
You know what I'm saying?
2283
01:54:25.350 --> 01:54:27.689
That's funny. I, I, but I, I would definitely, if,
2284
01:54:27.869 --> 01:54:29.829
if Jimmy had a show, I, I'm sure I'd be
2285
01:54:29.850 --> 01:54:32.149
calling into, if he, if he was taking calls, I
2286
01:54:32.189 --> 01:54:33.630
don't know if he wants to do that or not
2287
01:54:34.090 --> 01:54:34.590
on his show.
2288
01:54:34.750 --> 01:54:36.310
There you go. You know what? Let me put Jimmy
2289
01:54:36.390 --> 01:54:38.829
on the line with you. And, uh, you know, Jimmy,
2290
01:54:39.010 --> 01:54:41.470
what do you think about that? Jimmy's wild kingdom with
2291
01:54:41.569 --> 01:54:44.010
phone calls. You definitely got one guy who's in on
2292
01:54:44.069 --> 01:54:46.109
calling you. Uh, what's your thoughts?
2293
01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:53.439
Well, I'm all for it. Call no more. Don't matter what.
2294
01:54:54.979 --> 01:54:58.380
Yeah, I got to work every other Friday, but I
2295
01:54:58.420 --> 01:55:01.220
took this Friday off is where I can call today.
2296
01:55:02.460 --> 01:55:05.199
Well, you know, we might change the schedule up a
2297
01:55:05.229 --> 01:55:08.149
little bit anyway. And, you know, I'm not saying I'm
2298
01:55:08.170 --> 01:55:11.029
going to eliminate this show, but if it seems to
2299
01:55:11.069 --> 01:55:13.310
work on a better night, maybe we'll try a different night.
2300
01:55:14.390 --> 01:55:17.189
BP and I have talked about that often. And originally
2301
01:55:17.229 --> 01:55:20.590
we were doing this on Wednesdays. uh which i remember
2302
01:55:20.689 --> 01:55:22.510
yeah i don't know if it's a better day on
2303
01:55:22.550 --> 01:55:25.130
wednesday or not you know i got larry every other
2304
01:55:25.170 --> 01:55:29.119
wednesday uh at this point but i mean maybe tuesday's
2305
01:55:29.159 --> 01:55:30.819
a good night to do it i mean if anybody's
2306
01:55:30.859 --> 01:55:35.079
got an idea uh i'm actually considering doing it on
2307
01:55:35.119 --> 01:55:36.659
tuesdays uh.
2308
01:55:36.739 --> 01:55:41.619
Also when on monday everybody hates monday.
2309
01:55:42.350 --> 01:55:44.939
I work every Monday, so I wouldn't be able to call.
2310
01:55:46.159 --> 01:55:52.140
Yeah, well, see, I'm trying to restock. Well, yeah, Monday
2311
01:55:52.159 --> 01:55:54.600
night football means I won't get BP'd as a co-host.
2312
01:55:55.720 --> 01:55:59.020
And the other thing is, or at least for part
2313
01:55:59.060 --> 01:56:03.060
of the year, right? But the other thing is, you know, Mondays,
2314
01:56:03.420 --> 01:56:05.720
I kind of want to restock the Tuesday to Friday
2315
01:56:05.859 --> 01:56:09.100
schedule the way it used to be, you know, before
2316
01:56:09.140 --> 01:56:13.140
I got injured. And I'm still battling with that. But but,
2317
01:56:13.220 --> 01:56:15.079
you know, quite frankly, that's what I want to do
2318
01:56:15.180 --> 01:56:19.569
is reestablish the Tuesday to Friday. And then hopefully we'll find,
2319
01:56:19.590 --> 01:56:21.390
you know, some new people that will be able to
2320
01:56:21.609 --> 01:56:25.949
join us on the video platform because that is being developed.
2321
01:56:26.510 --> 01:56:30.050
I'd be willing to do it every night, Tuesday through
2322
01:56:30.090 --> 01:56:32.970
Friday and even give up Thursday night football.
2323
01:56:34.109 --> 01:56:38.039
Oh, OK. Well, I'll not give it up.
2324
01:56:38.119 --> 01:56:40.539
It'll be on the TV, and my attention may be
2325
01:56:40.579 --> 01:56:41.859
drawn to it.
2326
01:56:42.520 --> 01:56:44.220
But if you wanted to do this every night, we
2327
01:56:44.239 --> 01:56:44.979
could do it every night.
2328
01:56:45.300 --> 01:56:46.899
If you wanted to do it every night for one
2329
01:56:46.939 --> 01:56:49.829
hour and two hours on every other night, or on
2330
01:56:49.850 --> 01:56:51.609
the nights where you don't have Larry, or you don't
2331
01:56:51.649 --> 01:56:53.789
have this, we can fill the whole thing in.
2332
01:56:53.989 --> 01:56:56.029
I don't give a damn. My schedule's open.
2333
01:56:56.350 --> 01:56:58.510
Well, there you go. So I've got a couple of
2334
01:56:58.550 --> 01:57:01.149
different ideas here, and I would love to hear the
2335
01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:03.739
Wild Kingdom show with Jimmy, or a Wild Kingdom show
2336
01:57:03.779 --> 01:57:07.399
with Jimmy and Ed would be an interesting combination. If
2337
01:57:07.439 --> 01:57:09.439
we could get them to co-host, that would be wonderful.
2338
01:57:10.529 --> 01:57:12.630
But outside of that, you know, and we wouldn't even
2339
01:57:12.649 --> 01:57:15.960
need callers if we got those two. Uh, and we
2340
01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:19.020
could also just start doing extra call-in nights with BP.
2341
01:57:19.079 --> 01:57:22.220
He's open to doing that. So guess what? I want
2342
01:57:22.279 --> 01:57:25.579
feedback from you listening out there, not the people on
2343
01:57:25.600 --> 01:57:27.760
the phone line right now. You know, the people that
2344
01:57:27.819 --> 01:57:30.199
actually support the show, you know, those are the people
2345
01:57:30.270 --> 01:57:31.890
I listen to. And those are the people that tend
2346
01:57:31.899 --> 01:57:34.670
to call in. I mean, literally the Friday night show
2347
01:57:34.729 --> 01:57:38.970
survives because of Danny, Jimmy James and BP directly. Um,
2348
01:57:39.270 --> 01:57:41.770
you know, and Ed has been a longtime supporter as well.
2349
01:57:43.109 --> 01:57:46.930
More than happy to have him along on anything. And
2350
01:57:46.970 --> 01:57:48.899
he's great in the chat room, even though the chat
2351
01:57:48.939 --> 01:57:51.840
room is hardly ever populated anymore. That still exists, too,
2352
01:57:51.899 --> 01:57:55.800
by the way, guys, a live chat room. But and
2353
01:57:55.819 --> 01:57:58.600
he has a different name in there. I don't know.
2354
01:57:58.619 --> 01:58:00.779
Do you want me to spill your name here again?
2355
01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:02.430
I know it's been said before.
2356
01:58:03.189 --> 01:58:03.770
I don't care.
2357
01:58:03.789 --> 01:58:04.029
Yeah.
2358
01:58:04.050 --> 01:58:05.810
Most of the guys here know anyway.
2359
01:58:06.010 --> 01:58:09.409
There you go. He's phase shifter in the chat room
2360
01:58:09.430 --> 01:58:12.600
when you see phase shifter that's ed uh also known
2361
01:58:12.649 --> 01:58:15.460
as ed the male guy yeah go ahead i didn't
2362
01:58:15.500 --> 01:58:19.560
know that oh there you go bcbp okay yeah i
2363
01:58:19.600 --> 01:58:24.609
thought you did And Ed always has very interesting stuff.
2364
01:58:24.649 --> 01:58:28.789
He considers things before he says them. I mean, really,
2365
01:58:28.829 --> 01:58:30.619
if I had 10 chatters in there, I would love it.
2366
01:58:31.500 --> 01:58:33.680
I forgot to even be in the room. I'm supposed
2367
01:58:33.699 --> 01:58:35.180
to put some eye candy in there for him.
2368
01:58:35.220 --> 01:58:37.159
Damn, I owe him. I'll do him double next week.
2369
01:58:37.319 --> 01:58:40.939
Whoops, there you go. That's okay, man.
2370
01:58:42.939 --> 01:58:46.060
It's fun, though. I love your Korean obsession, man.
2371
01:58:46.420 --> 01:58:46.960
I don't know why.
2372
01:58:47.020 --> 01:58:50.050
I just find it delightful for some reason with Korean music.
2373
01:58:50.189 --> 01:58:52.710
Well, he's not the guy that you would think would
2374
01:58:52.770 --> 01:58:56.630
be on that, right? No, not at all. It almost
2375
01:58:56.670 --> 01:58:59.449
feels out of character if you listen to him and you,
2376
01:58:59.489 --> 01:59:01.750
you know... Just consider it.
2377
01:59:01.989 --> 01:59:03.069
I've got one for you.
2378
01:59:03.609 --> 01:59:07.250
I came across Monday. My first thing is 430 in
2379
01:59:07.289 --> 01:59:10.170
the morning. I started my day on Monday and I
2380
01:59:10.250 --> 01:59:16.310
came across a Siberian indigenous tribe band. And it's the
2381
01:59:16.369 --> 01:59:20.569
first time I have ever seen a commercial duck call
2382
01:59:21.090 --> 01:59:22.390
used as an instrument ever.
2383
01:59:22.869 --> 01:59:23.720
In a live band.
2384
01:59:23.979 --> 01:59:25.520
Oh, dude. You got to send that to me.
2385
01:59:25.579 --> 01:59:28.939
Is that the band Indigenous? There is a Native American
2386
01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:30.460
band called Indigenous.
2387
01:59:30.890 --> 01:59:35.829
No, this is called Onateka. Let me look it up.
2388
01:59:36.189 --> 01:59:36.390
Okay.
2389
01:59:36.449 --> 01:59:37.970
I was amazed. I mean, these guys.
2390
01:59:38.810 --> 01:59:42.350
They're quite different in their sound, but they whipped out
2391
01:59:42.409 --> 01:59:44.760
this duck call. I mean, to them, a Jew's harp
2392
01:59:44.840 --> 01:59:48.000
is a normal instrument, and they whipped out this duck
2393
01:59:48.039 --> 01:59:50.619
call and hold it up, and they use it as
2394
01:59:50.659 --> 01:59:54.079
an instrument throughout the whole song. Some of them weren't
2395
01:59:54.100 --> 01:59:56.699
bad looking either. A little eye candy there. You got
2396
01:59:56.720 --> 01:59:57.979
to put that in the chat, man.
2397
01:59:58.180 --> 02:00:00.859
Put that one in the chat. Put that one. BP's
2398
02:00:01.399 --> 02:00:05.899
extra video of the week, video pick for the week. So, Ed,
2399
02:00:06.159 --> 02:00:07.979
I appreciate you calling in, man. I'm going to put
2400
02:00:08.000 --> 02:00:10.479
you on hold. You know, you can listen to the
2401
02:00:10.520 --> 02:00:13.739
conclusion of the show. Jimmy, a final word for this week.
2402
02:00:13.899 --> 02:00:14.350
Go ahead.
2403
02:00:14.359 --> 02:00:21.500
Well, everyone have a good weekend. And as to the
2404
02:00:21.619 --> 02:00:23.079
problems with the crows.
2405
02:00:23.939 --> 02:00:24.220
Yes.
2406
02:00:24.579 --> 02:00:27.800
Crows get into the horn. That's why we got the
2407
02:00:27.899 --> 02:00:31.600
scare crows.
2408
02:00:32.020 --> 02:00:32.510
You're right.
2409
02:00:32.770 --> 02:00:33.890
They're a big usage.
2410
02:00:34.029 --> 02:00:37.329
Big problem in the Midwest. Don't want those crows.
2411
02:00:38.789 --> 02:00:43.680
Yeah. Man, there you go. And Jimmy, always ending with peace.
2412
02:00:43.779 --> 02:00:45.859
I love that. You know, what's funny is I have
2413
02:00:45.899 --> 02:00:48.430
a recollection of a heckle and jekyll where they were
2414
02:00:48.479 --> 02:00:51.670
eating corn, too. You know, maybe they called them magpies,
2415
02:00:51.710 --> 02:00:54.029
but they behaved like crows. So maybe that's why BP
2416
02:00:54.289 --> 02:00:58.520
is thinking they're crows. But anyways, BP, you know, as
2417
02:00:58.560 --> 02:01:01.020
per usual, I love giving you the last word for
2418
02:01:01.039 --> 02:01:04.479
the last words. So go right ahead and then I'll
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tag us out of here.
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All right.
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You know, I appreciate Ed calling in and Jimmy calling in.
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I'm surprised we didn't have Danny this week. I'm sure
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he's busy doing something. But other than that, go to Achelli.com,
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hit the donate button. Every little bit helps. Support your
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local food banks. Things are tight for people out there.
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And other than that, we'll see you next week.
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There you go, guys. And I'll be more than happy
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to hear from everybody next week. And remember, I want
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to get that feedback on the possibilities of shows. I mean,
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I'll try and cultivate these things. And as much as
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these guys want to do them, we will make them happen.
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Thank you.