152: Dave Dameshek: NFL Network Star, Comedy Writer, Working With Jimmy Kimmel

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How dare you disrespect Peyton Manning like that? I think
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Peyton Manning will be all right with whatever I say.
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I'm not insulting him on a personal level. I'm just
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questioning what he's going to do in this game on
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Sunday kind of a thing.
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But the bottom line is I'm amused by it.
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I think it's funny. Periodically, it can be instructive. Sometimes
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the critiques are– are pretty good. But for the most part,
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it's just people react.
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You don't know anything about stuff, man. You don't know
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about football, dude. You should quit. I don't know why
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you have a job.
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Are leaders born or are they made? Our host, Ryan Hawk,
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believes that leaders can be made through determined, focused work
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on learning the art and science behind the makeup of
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other successful leaders. Now it's time to inhale knowledge and
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exhale success. You're listening to The Learning Leader Show with
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Ryan Hawk.
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Hey, and welcome to the Learning Leader Show. I am
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Ryan Hawk, and thank you so much for being here.
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What an interesting featured leader tonight. It's Dave Damaschek. He
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is a writer and a TV slash radio host and
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analyst who has covered the sports world for the NFL Network, ESPN,
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Fox Sports, and CBS Radio for the last 15 years.
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He has also worked as a comedy writer and performer
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on Jimmy Kimmel Live. Love this conversation. A few of
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the topics we got into, and there was a lot.
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The advice that Jimmy Kimmel gave to him on how
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to have a successful career and how that applies to
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all of us. And then why he decided to leave
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his corporate sales job at the age of 29.
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And move to L.A.
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With no connections, no help, to try his hand at
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being a TV comedy writer.
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Such a competitive field.
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And then his really interesting approach to having great connections.
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dinner party conversations. I think you'll love that part of
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our talk. Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, it's Dave Damaschek.
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Dave Damaschek, man. I've been so pumped to have you
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on the Learning Leader Show for quite some time. Big
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fan of you and your work and your personality and
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the flair that you bring to analyzing.
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The NFL and beyond. So first welcome to the show.
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Thanks, man.
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Well, mutual admiration society. I'm a big fan of all
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things Hawk, too. So the holy grail for me, with
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all due respect for you, is when I get to
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meet your old man finally. Oh, your brother sings songs
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about how cool the old man is. At some point,
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I got to meet him.
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He is the man.
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I don't want to give him too big of a
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head because we talk highly of him a lot on here,
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but it's because it's deserved.
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You know what?
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In fact, it was just his 60th birthday, Damoshek, and
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the interesting gift that I put together for him. I
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reached out to a ton of people that he's influenced
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and worked with over the last 35 years and asked
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them to write him a nice letter. And you should
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see some of these letters I got back from these people. These,
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these are guys that he's known since he was 20
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all the way up until today.
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And they are insane. So good.
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It was a, it was a pretty cool little book
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we were able to put together after, uh, corralling a
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bunch of fans and friends and colleagues of his over
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the years.
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It's pretty neat.
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That is a cool idea. I should do that myself
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with my parents too. But yeah, that's one of those
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things you always hear about when somebody passes away, the outpouring.
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You always say, I wish they could hear it. Everybody
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wants to be at their own funeral, as they say.
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This is the time to be doing that stuff, not
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when it's too late.
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I love that idea. That's cool.
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I agree, man. It was cool. It took a little
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bit of effort, but it was way worth it.
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But I got a question for you because– We'll dig
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into your background and all the great things that you've
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accomplished up to this point and the things you're going
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to accomplish, but you've spent a lot of time around,
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as you've navigated, through this really competitive landscape of broadcasting, writing,
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whether it's working with Adam Carolla, Jimmy Kimmel, I know
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there's been Bill Simmons, and the names go on and
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on and on. I'm curious, from your perspective, if you
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had to pull out some of the themes or characteristics
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of the really highly successful people who have sustained excellence.
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What are some of the common characteristics you think those
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people all share?
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Um, it's funny that, uh, that trio of names and,
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you know, I've fallen into the orbit of some of
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those guys and, uh, you know, others, uh, you know,
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hired me to, to, to work with them. So the
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thing I've observed in the entertainment industry, since I moved
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out to LA now, 15, 16 years ago, just to
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take a shot, you know, like so many other people,
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but the irony of that is, If you've ever seen
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the movie Office Space, one of the best things that's
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absolutely true is somebody who worked in corporate America and
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a sales job sitting in a cubicle, you can really
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get by doing about 12 minutes of work a week.
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Nobody– Nobody really notices.
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If you can seize on the right turns of phrase
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when the boss comes by, like.
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When he says, hey, how's everything going, Dave?
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If you can master a convincing, like, hey, I'm busy,
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but what else is new?
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Like, man, that Dave, man, he works hard.
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You can convince the right people that you're working hard
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and no one will ever know.
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The irony is... That in entertainment, you actually have to work.
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That's the thing that jumps out at you. It's like, oh,
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go out there and I'll crack wise and it'll be great.
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The most successful people that I've met, as important as anything.
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That I've observed, is those guys are the hardest workers.
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Kimmel almost has a weird– The bad news is I
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don't know.
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That you can teach yourself to do what– Kimmel told
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me long ago when I was moving on to the
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NFL full time and leaving the Kimmel show. He said
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to me, remember, if you– outwork everybody none of your
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employees can ever accuse you of being carried or you
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know be you know if you're the hardest worker there
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then it sets the tone for everybody else and that's
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not funny or anything you know there's no whimsy in
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that that's just yeah you got to produce every day
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and you know I recall him also once saying you
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know it's Writing jokes is like.
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Lifting a weight.
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You want to get bigger biceps, you have to lift
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the weights every day and you have to work at
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it like that. It is a more ethereal pursuit to.
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Crack wise and all that kind of stuff.
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But for the most part, it really– behind it is,
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you know, are those people that can work really hard
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and that motor, you know, it's these guys who have
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a motor who can just keep working and where, you know,
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you go right on one show for 10 hours and
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then you go home and you work on your screenplay
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at night. That's not easy to do to keep your
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brain spinning like that.
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Where do you think, can you develop that You said
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you're not sure if you can, but I'm curious. Part of,
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I think, this show is the fact that I'm hopeful
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that people can take away some things that they could
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then implement and they could potentially change their behavior. So
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is there something you learned along the way, whether it's
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from Kimmel or Carollo or even Simmons, because he's built
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something from just a sports guy to what he is now,
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to your own work, to the Dave Damaschek show and
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everything else, the DDFP and everything you've done, Like if
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you were speaking to, let's say, a 22-year-old and you
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said the first thing you told him was the work
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ethic he would need or she would need in order
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to be successful in the entertainment world or really any world,
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what are some of the other pieces of advice that
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you could tell them that they could implement to potentially
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help them, so to speak, make it?
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Yeah, I guess straddling the line there of work ethic
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is important and you have to have a high motor
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and keep on working. And whether or not that's intrinsic
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to who you are that you can just burn the
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midnight oil like that. I don't know if you can
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convince yourself of that, but the process of trying every
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day is something that seems universal for successful people who
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are comedy writers or writers that I know are friends
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with a lot of successful sitcom writers and everything else.
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And that's one aspect that they have, one thing that
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they have going for them. They also have this super
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resilient self-confidence, which I don't necessarily have. But a lot
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of people are successful in entertainment that just do not
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see the flaws in their own ideas. And that really
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suits people well. Really, I mean, there's something to glean
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from that. And I say it as a joke, but
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there is something to glean from that sort of if
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you believe it, you know, I guess that's sort of
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the Costanza thing in, uh, in Seinfeld.
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It's not a lie.
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If you believe it, if you can go in there
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and sell yourself, sell your idea, it tends to sell
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the room. And that's always been striking to me as
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somebody who's sort of like, well, I think this is funny,
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but I can also see why it might not be funny,
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but I think it's really good. And that sort of
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self-confidence is, is, uh, important, and specifically to what I've
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now transitioned into doing, which is more talking, you know,
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in my own voice instead of writing for, you know,
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for somebody else. I get a lot of questions about
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that is, you know, what's the process or what, you know,
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how do you go about.
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Broadcasting?
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And, you know, the tip that Both Kimmel and Corolla
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gave me the day before or the day I was
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going on the radio, maybe whatever that was, 12 years
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or so, 10 or 12 years ago. For the first time,
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they individually told me, what you need to do is
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be exactly who you are.
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If you try to change that, it is weird. And
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you can see it.
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If you watch enough ex-players or whomever go on TV
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or somebody who you know personally actually even better and
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then they go on the radio or they go on
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TV and suddenly they don't sound like themselves and you say,
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who is that you're doing?
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Who are you doing an impression of there?
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Why are you turning phrases that way?
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That's not the way you talk in real life and that.
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I guess is the lesson for people specifically who– want
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to be opinionators or broadcasters on any level, I guess,
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is the baseline is you. Maybe a slightly amped up
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version of you, but it seems like the real key
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is if you start getting away from yourself or you
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start trying to do what you think other people want
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to hear, you're getting off the rails.
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You'll get the opportunity to.
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As they said, you don't get the opportunity if people
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don't see something in you. Now validate that by giving
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them exactly what they saw that's allowing you to have
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this opportunity, which is you.
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Right.
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When you're meeting somebody new for the first time and
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maybe it's at a dinner party or something like that
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and they say, oh, hey, nice to meet you. What
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do you do? How do you respond?
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I always stumble on that one. It's funny you say that.
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I always wonder how am I supposed to introduce myself.
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I still weirdly go with writer I think more often
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than not because like I'm a broadcaster or like I'm
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a– because I guess they call it nominally I guess
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I'm talent is what.
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They call you.
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Like when you're on TV, like what do you do?
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I'm talent. I sound like a jerk. Yeah. I'm talent.
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I'm on camera talent. I'm just a talent. Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm on camera talent, man. Yeah, so I don't know.
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I always seem to go with writer or comedy writer
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or whatever.
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All right.
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I do radio and TV stuff and crack wise or
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some variation on that.
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Maybe we could figure that out, Hawk.
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Well, you know, I had a– it's not to like–
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I'm not pumping myself or the– but I actually had
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a full episode.
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It was number 99.
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I remember Clay Abare, one of my good friends– where,
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I don't know, 30 minutes of the conversation was how
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to answer that question. And so I'm not sure, like,
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we can get back to that because there's so much
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here of things that you do. But it's interesting that
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you want to writer first because I feel like maybe
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that's because what you, for me, for example, playing quarterback
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in college, when I played with your boy at Miami,
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you're probably your favorite quarterback, the Steelers quarterback from people
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who don't know You come from Pittsburgh. I know you're
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very proud of that, and that's where Ben Roethlisberger plays.
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I was with him for two years at Miami University,
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and they were going to move me to receiver. And
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I was thinking, like, I don't think I could ever
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utter the phrase, I'm a receiver, because I'm a quarterback.
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You know what I mean?
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reason why I transferred, ultimately, because he obviously won that job.
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And so I wonder if that's part of you, that initially,
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even though you're a TV star and podcasting, TV, whatever
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it may be, you still view yourself in the lens
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of being a writer.
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Well, I mean, I really, maybe that goes back to
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self-esteem issues, but I wince when you refer to me
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as a TV star, performer, anything else that doesn't hit
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my ear like the truth, but very nice. But yeah,
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it's funny because I guess I spent my 20s, I
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didn't start doing any of this stuff until.
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I was 30.
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I was a bartender. I was bartending in my early
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20s outside of Chicago.
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Then moved out to LA when I was 29.
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So all of it still seems sort of funny to me.
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It almost seems I still feel a little bit like
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I hope I can keep the ball in the air,
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keep pulling the wool over people's eyes, and they keep
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giving me opportunities.
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It's really interesting because you're definitely not the first person
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who has really made a name for themselves that has
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told me that. Sal Volcano, he's an impractical joker. Really,
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they have a massive following. A really popular episode I did,
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and he's on TruTV. They show those episodes nonstop. He
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sells out two shows a night when they go with
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thousands of people there. And I remember AJ and I
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played a round of golf with him, and he mentioned
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that more than a few times. He was waiting almost
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and just so grateful that it hasn't ended yet. He
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was just thinking, like, well, at some point people are
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going to catch on and realize, like, we're not that talented,
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we're not that good. But that mindset has helped him
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be so grateful towards his work that I think it's
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helped drive him to have this the work ethic needed
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that you talked about at the beginning of this conversation.
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Yeah, I guess.
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Yeah, I mean, it's one of the– yeah, I mean,
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that's absolutely right. Yeah, it is a motivating– not intentional.
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It's not something I'm trying to convince myself of. It's
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my default setting is self-doubt, and I guess that maybe
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spurs me to not just roll it out there and say, oh,
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I could just ride on natural ability. I don't have
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to try at this because I'm so good at that.
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I guess that maybe spurs me to actually– To try
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to do to try and keep on disproving people there, you.
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Know, there are a number of people listening to this
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right now, who actually have one of the first jobs
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that you had there in corporate sales. And you mentioned
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how you can get by working about 12 minutes a
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day as long as you fool the people, which is
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that advice is like the opposite of what I normally give,
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which is funny that you'd say it. And so I'm curious, but,
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but so the reason I know this, and this is
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probably how you get some of your feedback too, is
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you get some sort of, you probably get it on Twitter,
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but I get it via email. Most of the time
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people go through my website, learningleader.com and they'll send me
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emails about the fact that maybe they have a job
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like yours and Some of them like it and they're
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looking to progress and get promoted and play that game.
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And others say, I have other aspirations outside of this,
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but I have to pay the bills. So I'm guessing
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there are people that come to you because you moved
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to LA when you're 29, right? You didn't like the
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corporate life and that's why you moved out there. Do
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you get asked questions from those types of people? And
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if so, what type of advice do you give them
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who had a job like you did, but now they
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don't really, they don't like it, but they have bills
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and responsibilities?
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Man, you know, it's so it really boils.
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I'm not sure how you can work your way around
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the reality. I mean, I hope I'm not too big
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a bummer with this, but I think there are people
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out there who are working on their spec script, you know,
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spec scripts being that's sort of the industry standard for
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people who want to write sitcoms as a for instance.
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You write a script of an existing sitcom.
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So, you know, whatever.
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What's what's a good sitcom? Any, you know, Always Sunny
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in Philadelphia. You know, so you write a script. And
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it's basically your– now it's a demonstration of your writing
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ability and then you send that to people who run
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sitcoms and then they read that and say, oh, see,
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he knows how to write in characters' voices and be
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funny and tell the story and all that sort of stuff.
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So anyway, there are a lot of people all over
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the world. America who write these spec scripts and submit
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them blindly. But the reality is that it's very, very
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unlikely from what I have been able to gather from
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talking to people that a showrunner is going to pluck
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this or an agent in one of these big agency
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is going to pluck this script and find it in
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the needle in a haystack and say, wow, this is unbelievable.
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You kind of do– again, from what I've experienced, you
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kind of do need to be in LA or New
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York for those opportunities, which then requires you to actually
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uproot your life.
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And I don't know the easy way around that.
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That all-in kind of approach where you actually do say
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goodbye to your friends and move out of your life
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and get out of the comfort of the weekly paycheck
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and everything else. I'm not sure how to get around
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that except that the one thing that is striking to
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me in the last, say, 10 years or so What
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you can do is you can make movies. You can
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make little comedy shorts. You can do animations. There are
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all sorts of things you can do now with your
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cell phone literally. And that is enough that if you
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create something funny, and I've seen that happen specifically with
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shows I've worked on where the showrunner or the host
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or whatever, will like– he'll find something randomly funny and
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contact that person. Oh, that guy lives in Jacksonville, Florida?
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Great.
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Let's bring him out here. He seems funny. I think
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that's maybe the shortcut maybe is a way to say
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or whatever, but I think that's a– an interesting path
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to try that was not available 15 or 20 years
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ago is the ability to create stuff. It also separates
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the wheat from the chaff. There are a lot of
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people who, And since I got out here, at least
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you meet a million people. You know, that's the old
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cliche about every waiter has a script and every bartender
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has a script.
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It kind of is true.
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Everybody I mean, people will tell you you're talking to
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the bartender and he'll tell you like, well, I'm an actor. Like, well, no,
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it doesn't look like you're an actor based on what
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you're doing here.
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And that's true.
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And I guess what, you know, all these the 21st
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century technologies allow now the ease with which you can make,
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like I say, some sort of a visual short or
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you can animate stuff. There are you know, there are
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plenty of actors around who you can throw into into
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little things that you can put together that then become
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your calling card.
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It kind of.
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Exposes the fraudulent who like to say that they're out
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here to be a.
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Director or a writer or an actor or so on.
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If you aren't doing that, then what's your excuse? You
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have every ability to.
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Do that now.
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So, so it, it kind of, um, it, it kind
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of validates or it kind of gives you the opportunity
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to prove that you're serious about doing this because now
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you can do that from your own home. In fact,
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people are look at the two of us to having
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a conversation, uh, on Skype like this, you know, people
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do how many of their millionaires now who go on YouTube,
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they point a camera at themselves and do it. So
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if you're interested in talking for a living and opining
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for a living, the, the opportunity exists there.
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Exactly right. Another interesting aspect. So I'm, I'm obviously, uh,
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preparing for our time together. I've, I've watched a ton
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of the, and listened to a ton of your work
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over the last few years, but, The other part of
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it that I think some people might struggle with is
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if you're willing to put your voice out there, if
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you're going to say anything at all, you're probably at
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times going to have people who hate.
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On you, hate on your work.
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And I don't know if you know this, and I'm
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not saying this to be mean. There's a Reddit thread,
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and I don't know how often you're on Reddit.
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Do you go on Reddit much?
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Not very much. I'm excited to hear what you're about
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to say, though.
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Okay, good.
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I was just trying to build up a little cliffhanger
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for people to keep listening. This is the thread title.
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Does anyone actually like Dave Damaschek? I find him the
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most annoying person on NFL.com. When you hear that, so
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by the way, there's 75 responses and some of them
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are great. I can go through some of them. When
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you see those types of things out there, how do
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you handle it?
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You know, I at this point, I find them really
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I find it delightful. Now, if there was no pushback
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from the other side, then I would probably get sad
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or in fact, I probably would.
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Get pushed out the door.
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Remember the old– in the Howard Stern movie, the old
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line about– or it's in his book as well about
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the people who love him listen for an hour and
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how much– what about the people who hate him? They
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listen for two hours. So I think a lot of
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programming people, a lot of executives sort of latched on
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to that and they like that heat that this guy–
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people don't like him. Too often, though, sometimes you find
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people just don't like him. It's not that he's compelling.
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The assumption that, well, because somebody's hated means he's compelling. No,
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sometimes people are just so hated that nobody checks them
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out and that's the end of their career.
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But that being said, that is what you want, I think.
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I think you want a sort of 50-50 kind of reaction.
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To what to to if you're, you know, at most debates,
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sports or otherwise, who's the better quarterback and which team's
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going to win the Super Bowl? And is this right
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or wrong? Whatever the conversation, it's a binary conversation. So
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by definition, I guess it stands to reason that 50
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percent would agree with you and 50 percent wouldn't. And
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if you really go hard against why the other side
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is wrong on something, those people get offended and they
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don't like it. And Sports specifically are weirdly– we all
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delude ourselves as sports fans. We latch on to guys
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who wear the uniform of our local football team and
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people take that very seriously, the loyalty to that, the
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defense of multimillionaire. People love to jump to the defense
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of– How dare you disrespect Peyton Manning like that? I
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think Peyton Manning will be all right with whatever I say.
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I'm not insulting him on a personal level. I'm just
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questioning what he's going to do in this game on
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Sunday kind of a thing. But the bottom line is
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I'm amused by it. I think it's funny. Periodically, it
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can be instructive. Sometimes the critiques are– are pretty good.
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But for the most part, it's just people react.
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Oh, you don't know anything about stuff, man. You don't
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know about football, dude. You should quit. You, I don't
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know why you have a job there, man.
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I like, I, in fact, I like it so much
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that in those comments sections on NFL.com, if I post
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something like I just recently did the, I mean, there,
491
00:25:31.150 --> 00:25:36.630
there couldn't be anything more subjective and sort of not,
492
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terribly important to the final result of the overall football team,
493
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but I ranked the best triplets. You know how Aikman
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and Irvin were the original triplets, so then I ranked
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the 2016 triplets 1-32 in the NFL.
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The feedback in that comment section.
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About how I'm a Dallas Cowboys homer and how I'm
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disrespectful to Team Blank and everything else, I love to
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go in there and respond.
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I love to answer.
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Those people, they're very funny for the most part. If
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you hold the racket out, let their own foolishness do
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00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:14.940
all the work for them and just and put the
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ball right back on their side of the court. of
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00:26:17.869 --> 00:26:20.819
the court always seems to work. I like it, but
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I'll tell you this. When I first started, my first
507
00:26:23.579 --> 00:26:29.049
radio thing was being Carolla's sidekick on his morning radio show.
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And when that first started, I had no idea that
509
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that was part of the deal. I mean, I'd seen
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people make fun of movies and whatever before, but.
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When those things first started happening, I was like, who's
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this Damoshek? You know, this guy sucks and his voice
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is terrible and all that kind of stuff.
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It was a shock to the system. But then you realize, oh, yeah,
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if you are out there, people are going to respond.
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And the worst thing that can happen is that people
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have no opinion of you whatsoever. Then that means you're
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not saying anything of note. Yeah.
519
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.000
Yeah. Just to let you know on that thread, 75
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people responded. It's interesting.
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A lot of people come to your defense. So like
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you're saying, the 50-50 split, some of the interesting ones.
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At least it's not Warren Sapp. He's a Steelers homer.
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So I think there are some interesting ones that people
525
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came to your defense. But I completely agree with you.
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I think the only way to ensure the fact that
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nobody says anything negative about you is just to simply
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not do anything. Like you said, if you're not getting
529
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any type of feedback, then you're probably not going to
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last very long because that means you're not really saying
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anything of any substance at all. So I thought, though,
532
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in doing the research, that that was interesting that you
533
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came up with.
534
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Well, I'll say this, though.
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The one thing I'll– The caveat is that I do
536
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really try at every turn to at minimum be– oh,
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in fact, be yourself and part of being yourself on
538
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the air is– in my book at least is telling
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the truth. And I try to actually give what my
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actual opinion is and sometimes as somebody who's born and
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raised in Pittsburgh and watched all the– I have watched
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all the Steelers games for 40 years now. That is
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my currency. That's why my opinion has any value whatsoever
544
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is because I've been watching not just Steelers games, but
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I've been watching pro football for 40 years and been
546
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watching it as a fan. It's always weird to me
547
00:28:35.890 --> 00:28:39.410
when people expect me to be objective. Well, I'm not reporting,
548
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and this isn't macroeconomics on a global scale.
549
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We're talking about football, everybody. I'm not investigating football.
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The personal lives and late night habits of players either.
551
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I'm just talking about football and what I like and
552
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what I don't from a fan's perspective.
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So, of course, that would be a weird disconnect if
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I had no favorite team. Yeah, I just like football.
555
00:29:01.339 --> 00:29:03.799
I just like football. I don't know. I mean, of course,
556
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I'm coming at it from... the fan's point of view.
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I just may not happen to root for the same
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team that you do. And I find it weird when
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guys like, you know, they're the most highly paid opinionators
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out there these days, you know, Bayless.
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And Stephen A. and Cowherd. You know, I've heard from people,
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you know, at ESPN.
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I mean, they willfully take the minority opinion and support
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it because they know that it'll get heat. And that's
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a weird place to start for me. Like, well, but
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I don't believe that. Why would I argue that side of,
567
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I don't believe it. It's a, that fraudulence seems weird
568
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to try and sustain that over the longterm, but obviously
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good for those guys are multimillionaires and they've been able
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to do it.
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What do you think of those, those guys, you, you
572
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named guys actually had written down specifically Bayless and, and
573
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I don't know, um, you probably know Richard Deitch, um,
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I love reading what he says about Skip Bayless because
575
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it's just– I don't know. I've heard he's actually a
576
00:30:03.329 --> 00:30:05.910
good guy, but then the camera turns on and it's like,
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let me just kill LeBron or hype Tebow or whatever
578
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:13.519
it may be. And you have a habit I've seen
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of when you're speaking with people, especially if you're closer
580
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with them, I guess, of saying no jive, meaning like
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you don't want to hear the BS– canned, computer-generated answers
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that athletes often give.
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And I don't know.
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If that's jive what Bayless and those guys do, but
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there's no way that it's their honest, true feelings every
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single time. I'm sure it is occasionally, but every time
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it just blows my mind.
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Yeah, it's weird because– and I always say that pro
589
00:30:45.859 --> 00:30:49.980
sports can always stand to have a little more WWE
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to them.
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00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:53.119
I like heat. I like players.
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00:30:53.339 --> 00:30:57.630
I like teams not liking each other. Your brother last–
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last January playing against the Steelers. And in fact, he
594
00:31:00.910 --> 00:31:03.750
came on the show before the Bengals and Steelers played
595
00:31:03.769 --> 00:31:06.849
that January playoff game. And I told him, obviously, I,
596
00:31:06.869 --> 00:31:09.529
you know, I'm one, I root for your success Hawk,
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but I'm rooting for the Steelers. But, uh, yeah, it's, uh,
598
00:31:14.309 --> 00:31:17.410
do we think that Skip Bayless real? So, but I
599
00:31:17.450 --> 00:31:19.799
liked the WWE, but the point is the Bengals and
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Steelers clearly actually dislike each other and, and actually have
601
00:31:25.180 --> 00:31:28.819
a blood feud now. And, and, But I don't like
602
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cheap shots and stuff that might get guys actually injured
603
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or assaults in the crowd and guys throwing glass bottles
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00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.700
at players on the field. It goes without saying it's
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crossing a line. But I like rivalry. I like Rex
606
00:31:43.460 --> 00:31:45.859
Ryan announcing, yeah, I want to beat the Jets more
607
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:46.799
than I want to beat any.
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Other team in the NFL. That makes sports fun. That's WWE.
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But then again, when you're giving your opinion on it,
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00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:57.619
it seems weird. Is Skip Bayless really– he hates LeBron James?
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Does he really?
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I find it hard to imagine that he's actually– that
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he's sitting at home just stewing. Like, LeBron, how dare
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he think that he can win another title when he's
615
00:32:09.589 --> 00:32:11.849
not nearly as good as– does he really think that?
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I find that hard to imagine.
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Yeah, I forget who said it recently. It might have been,
618
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I don't know, somebody on CNN. They said, It's so
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00:32:20.349 --> 00:32:22.420
much easier just to tell the truth because you don't
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have to remember anything.
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That's a great way of looking at it.
622
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If you're always telling the truth, you don't have anything
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to remember. You just talk.
624
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That's so true, man. That's just a good way to
625
00:32:34.009 --> 00:32:34.819
look at it.
626
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It keeps dummies like me, it keeps things nice and
627
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:41.099
clean in my brain. If I started to try and
628
00:32:41.180 --> 00:32:42.980
pile up the lies, I wouldn't be able to keep
629
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them all straight.
630
00:32:43.609 --> 00:32:45.009
Do you ever get pressure, though?
631
00:32:45.430 --> 00:32:47.269
You're not going to talk nightly about your bosses, but
632
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do you have conversations maybe in production meetings? where they say, hey, Damoshek,
633
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you're going to have to take this side. I know
634
00:32:53.910 --> 00:32:56.900
you guys seem to agree if you're talking with somebody
635
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else and you're going to go on TV or you're
636
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doing a fantasy draft on NFL Network, which I've seen
637
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:05.640
you do, and all these things. If everyone just completely
638
00:33:05.740 --> 00:33:09.650
agrees on every single topic, it's not as compelling typically
639
00:33:09.769 --> 00:33:12.529
on TV. So do you sometimes have to go into
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it saying, hey, we've got to take sides here on whatever,
641
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I don't know, you could come up with any, Tim Tebow,
642
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.559
we have to take sides on this guy? Or how
643
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:24.329
does it work if you guys are just in too
644
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much agreement? Or maybe they even have to swap people
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00:33:26.170 --> 00:33:28.390
out if that happens? I'm curious of those types of
646
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conversations before you shoot.
647
00:33:30.450 --> 00:33:34.890
Yeah, specific– I'm trying to think of a specific example. Yeah,
648
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I know that over the years that there have been
649
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exactly like you say where you swap a guy out.
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Like, well, we both think Eddie Lacy is going to
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have a big game this week.
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So I guess we really can't go, all right, so-and-so
653
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thinks he's going to get shut down. All right, let's
654
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have those two debate it then.
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I've had those kind of conversations. But really in.
656
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However long I've been doing it at the NFL, I
657
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guess this is– we're about to start my sixth season
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over there. I've never– no one has ever gotten in
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my ear about don't say that or take this side
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instead and are you willing to do this and don't
661
00:34:10.590 --> 00:34:12.969
bring that up because the NFL doesn't want you to
662
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talk about that. I've never had– people– you hear that
663
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sort of buzz about the– I guess that it stands
664
00:34:20.630 --> 00:34:23.429
to reason that– If you're a cynic, you might look
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at something that is branded NFL.com as being something that
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is basically an extension of and in fact owned and
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paid for by the owners.
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Well, that's propaganda.
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That's all they're there to do is just prop up
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all things positive NFL. But the reality is it's funny–
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00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:45.139
it's interesting how much leeway– I've observed at least that
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the opinion guys, the people that are there to give
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their opinions, me and Mike Silver, if you ever read
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his stuff, and Dan Hanzus, and there are a bunch
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of guys over there, Greg Rosenthal, who don't shy from
676
00:35:00.250 --> 00:35:04.980
giving their sincere opinion even if it's negative about preseason football.
677
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Ridiculous. Get rid of the get rid of the Pro Bowl.
678
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These are things that clearly the league office is interested
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in in propping up. In fact, I went on the
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air the week after the deflate gate stuff and was
681
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one of several people that I can think of who
682
00:35:19.940 --> 00:35:21.639
said that the league got it wrong on this one.
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They made too big a deal out of that. And
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there was no pushback on that.
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Nobody ever said, hey, hey, hey, you know who's paying
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00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:27.840
your bills, right? Nobody ever.
687
00:35:27.949 --> 00:35:29.570
None of that kind of stuff has ever happened to me.
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00:35:30.329 --> 00:35:34.309
How do you feel from a leadership perspective that Roger
689
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Goodell has been, I mean, obviously revenue-wise, he's been the
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best one they've ever had. So let's take that part
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out of it, even though that's a big part. But
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taking out the revenue growth of the NFL, how has
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Roger Goodell handled being the commissioner.
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As a leader?
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I think that I've always said this, even before I
696
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:58.039
started at the NFL, I thought that, you know, the
697
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player conduct policy was was taking on something that was
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going to be hard to manage. And that was a
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big thing from I mean, I don't know if it
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was day one stuff, but it feels like first hundred
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days kind of stuff for the commissioner that, you know,
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that I want to And that was all at a time,
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if you remember, roundabout David Stern issuing a dress code
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at the NBA. And, you know, that was there was
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sort of maybe it was a little bit of an overreach.
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And that was the temperature, I guess, in sports at
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the time or with professional, excuse me, with professional leagues.
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But then once you enter into that, then I feel
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like there was a lot of public pushback on some
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of the suspensions. Mike Vick gets shut down and then
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Roethlisberger gets shut down.
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And I think that was a big moment in the
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sense that.
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Or a big decision that when he got shelved but
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there weren't– I know we're getting into the nitty-gritty now
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and I'm not certainly a legal expert. But he was
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never charged with anything. And so I think there was
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a segment of the population saying, wait, now why is
719
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he shut down for six games and then reduced to
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four games? And people didn't like that and there was
721
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a fair amount of pushback. But he wasn't– he hasn't
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done anything technically or legally felonious. So why would he
723
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get– suspended then. And I think there was some pushback
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on that. And then I think that sort of informs
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the Ray Rice thing. Like, well, if he's not been
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charged in a court of law, then how much am
727
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I supposed to then penalize him.
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00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:33.860
Based on what we know? So then that suspension.
729
00:37:36.550 --> 00:37:39.030
People were underwhelmed by and then they push back hard
730
00:37:39.090 --> 00:37:41.559
on that. And so it's been this I feel like
731
00:37:41.579 --> 00:37:45.280
this roller coaster of up and down in to some
732
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.260
degree in response to the public pushback of like, well,
733
00:37:49.300 --> 00:37:51.550
that was too severe. Well, now, now that was too light.
734
00:37:51.650 --> 00:37:55.510
And now it and you and it all started off
735
00:37:55.750 --> 00:38:00.940
with a place of. trying to manage too many people
736
00:38:01.460 --> 00:38:05.900
in their off work hours. You're basically, you're basically looking
737
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:09.119
at these guys and assuming a certain standard. And obviously
738
00:38:09.139 --> 00:38:13.429
as your brother can say, you know, is, is aware of.
739
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:16.539
And, and, you know, I think you could.
740
00:38:16.420 --> 00:38:23.280
Say that the football playing community, the NFL players reflect
741
00:38:23.969 --> 00:38:28.309
American society. If you even accept that, As the premise
742
00:38:28.829 --> 00:38:31.809
and forget the fact that maybe that if you're willing
743
00:38:31.849 --> 00:38:34.150
to play pro football, if you're willing to run, you know,
744
00:38:34.250 --> 00:38:36.530
Ike Taylor, who I do a ton of stuff with
745
00:38:36.590 --> 00:38:38.659
one of my one of my favorite lines of his
746
00:38:38.860 --> 00:38:42.340
is if you're willing to run full speed 40 yards
747
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:46.530
just so you can run into another. large human being,
748
00:38:46.610 --> 00:38:49.090
then you have something wrong with you. And that's kind
749
00:38:49.150 --> 00:38:52.590
of true, that mentality, it's going to yield a certain
750
00:38:52.630 --> 00:38:57.119
percentage of people that are predisposed to that sort of
751
00:38:57.159 --> 00:38:59.900
physicality and stuff. But even if you leave that aside,
752
00:39:00.139 --> 00:39:04.019
I buy the premise that the NFL players community is
753
00:39:04.059 --> 00:39:08.480
a reflection of the, of our society. And so obviously
754
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:11.260
no matter what you do, obviously there are laws in
755
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:14.820
place in the U S and that doesn't keep people
756
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:19.550
some small percentage from committing crimes and committing felonies. And
757
00:39:19.889 --> 00:39:22.269
so it goes in the NFL. It's just hard to,
758
00:39:22.349 --> 00:39:27.659
I think that that is a tough thing to, try
759
00:39:27.780 --> 00:39:34.000
and manage and, you know, police what, you know, in addition,
760
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:38.110
if our nation's laws can't keep people from committing crimes,
761
00:39:38.269 --> 00:39:41.809
it's hard for me to imagine that then a corporation's
762
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:47.110
self-imposed you know laws and order law and order is
763
00:39:47.250 --> 00:39:49.449
is going to have any effect otherwise is also going
764
00:39:49.469 --> 00:39:51.010
to have an effect is going to have any more
765
00:39:51.050 --> 00:39:51.730
of an effect.
766
00:39:51.730 --> 00:39:53.489
What should he do to change that then should he
767
00:39:53.530 --> 00:39:56.369
just give that to some make the responsibility of somebody
768
00:39:56.489 --> 00:39:59.110
else that i know some players seem to want that
769
00:39:59.250 --> 00:40:01.309
or or and he seems to want to keep control
770
00:40:01.329 --> 00:40:03.130
of that i mean how do you deal with that.
771
00:40:04.889 --> 00:40:09.449
Boy, man, you're asking questions that are out of my depth,
772
00:40:09.510 --> 00:40:12.199
and I'm not afraid to answer them. I don't know
773
00:40:12.219 --> 00:40:14.599
that I have a good answer with that except to
774
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.699
go back to where I started by saying that, man.
775
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:22.099
I wonder if– I mean, I can say this.
776
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.449
If I were a commissioner of a professional sports league,
777
00:40:25.630 --> 00:40:29.710
one thing I wouldn't do is say that I am
778
00:40:29.769 --> 00:40:35.369
going to try and manage– the activities of all these
779
00:40:35.449 --> 00:40:38.690
people 24 hours a day, which is basically what you're
780
00:40:38.710 --> 00:40:41.329
signing off, what you're basically embracing.
781
00:40:41.389 --> 00:40:43.809
You know, it's it's it's a lot to me.
782
00:40:43.849 --> 00:40:46.679
You know, you see, I mean, it happens. I mean,
783
00:40:47.610 --> 00:40:51.199
it's you could play the game of it's still a crime.
784
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:53.719
You know, a lot of people speed. Why are you
785
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.679
pulling me over, officer? kind of mentality. And I get
786
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.869
that when you hear colleges, when you sit here, universities
787
00:41:00.889 --> 00:41:03.429
getting busted for not monitoring.
788
00:41:03.630 --> 00:41:06.510
Oh, there's that sophomore kid. Did you hear what happened
789
00:41:06.530 --> 00:41:07.889
at that frat party?
790
00:41:07.969 --> 00:41:11.039
And he, you know, like how, how a head coach
791
00:41:11.460 --> 00:41:14.480
or an AD is supposed to monitor what all those
792
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:17.309
kids are doing at any given time. And I think
793
00:41:17.349 --> 00:41:19.769
it's fair to say that you're probably naive if you
794
00:41:19.909 --> 00:41:24.610
assume that in those high-powered college programs that stuff isn't happening,
795
00:41:24.650 --> 00:41:30.090
whether it's paying players or more nefarious stuff, that those
796
00:41:30.130 --> 00:41:33.880
things aren't happening all over the country. And so it
797
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:37.940
goes in pro sports too. I assume that that stuff's
798
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:40.420
happening everywhere. I don't know, man, what the answer is
799
00:41:40.460 --> 00:41:43.840
to it because our– I guess on some level we
800
00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:48.050
could debate the Charles Barkley thing. I'm not a role model. Well, yeah,
801
00:41:48.090 --> 00:41:49.230
you are, whether you.
802
00:41:49.130 --> 00:41:49.570
Want to be.
803
00:41:49.610 --> 00:41:52.789
It's not as though you chose to be that, but
804
00:41:52.829 --> 00:41:55.159
it is part of the gig that, for better or worse,
805
00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:01.300
people do sort of– look up to professional athletes whether
806
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:03.659
you think that's whether you see the wisdom in that
807
00:42:03.699 --> 00:42:06.789
or not that is the reality of the 21st century
808
00:42:06.849 --> 00:42:11.030
so act accordingly yes but you know and if you
809
00:42:11.110 --> 00:42:13.750
don't i don't know that you know that the boss
810
00:42:13.789 --> 00:42:16.230
is going to be able to convince you to do
811
00:42:16.269 --> 00:42:18.230
that if you don't if you're not able to understand
812
00:42:18.269 --> 00:42:19.010
that on your own.
813
00:42:20.139 --> 00:42:22.860
I agree by the way have you looked at your
814
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.269
wikipedia page recently Yeah.
815
00:42:25.309 --> 00:42:27.550
People like to go in there and do stuff with it.
816
00:42:27.590 --> 00:42:27.789
Yeah.
817
00:42:27.829 --> 00:42:30.349
People like to add stuff about that. I have web feet.
818
00:42:30.969 --> 00:42:33.460
Uh, I've seen that, that I won some swimming contests
819
00:42:33.699 --> 00:42:35.139
with because of my web feet.
820
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:39.960
So it's kind of hard because, uh, obviously for anyone
821
00:42:39.980 --> 00:42:44.750
who does any type of research, Wikipedia could, can be one,
822
00:42:45.789 --> 00:42:48.710
one tiny source. It's one place to go, but Like
823
00:42:49.070 --> 00:42:53.099
in 2010, the National Mustard Museum awarded Damoshek an honorary
824
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:54.719
doctoral degree in the field.
825
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:56.219
Of mustard as a result.
826
00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:57.460
Hold on. That's true.
827
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.159
Wait, what?
828
00:42:59.300 --> 00:43:03.099
As a result, he prefers the style of doctor.
829
00:43:04.099 --> 00:43:04.619
This is true?
830
00:43:05.179 --> 00:43:07.820
That's true. Now, listen, Hawk.
831
00:43:08.380 --> 00:43:09.530
Explain this to me.
832
00:43:10.469 --> 00:43:12.690
There are some lies and there are some truths on
833
00:43:12.730 --> 00:43:15.789
my Wikipedia page. And yeah, they're hard to know which
834
00:43:15.949 --> 00:43:19.360
ones are the reality. Yeah, I have done a lot
835
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.420
of good work in the field of condiments.
836
00:43:22.860 --> 00:43:24.300
I'm one of the.
837
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:29.400
Foremost voices out there on the virtues of dark mustard
838
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:34.239
over yellow. I am willing to speak out in support
839
00:43:34.539 --> 00:43:37.500
of any grown-up or otherwise who wants to put ketchup
840
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.679
on their hot dog. We live in a free country,
841
00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:43.250
and if that's your pleasure, so be it.
842
00:43:43.730 --> 00:43:45.289
Wait, you don't put ketchup on a hot dog?
843
00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:47.320
I will put ketchup on a hot dog.
844
00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:50.050
But people– there are many out there, many snobs out
845
00:43:50.090 --> 00:43:52.389
there who will berate you for doing so. And I
846
00:43:52.449 --> 00:43:54.489
say mind your own business, snob.
847
00:43:54.510 --> 00:43:57.579
Is there seriously a national mustard museum?
848
00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:59.340
That's right. In Wisconsin.
849
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:01.579
In fact, I just received– So everything you're saying is
850
00:44:01.659 --> 00:44:02.179
actually true?
851
00:44:02.980 --> 00:44:08.260
I received a doctorate from the National Mustard Institute.
852
00:44:08.500 --> 00:44:12.000
And by definition, then I'm a doctor. That's it. So
853
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.000
I'm doctor. And I also find, you know.
854
00:44:15.260 --> 00:44:19.570
Like they will, you know, like the fridge, you know,
855
00:44:20.010 --> 00:44:22.510
we know that he's big and like, you know, big
856
00:44:22.590 --> 00:44:25.230
Tony or whatever, like, you know, before you meet him,
857
00:44:25.269 --> 00:44:25.789
he's big.
858
00:44:26.429 --> 00:44:28.550
I thought it would only help my career.
859
00:44:29.389 --> 00:44:32.260
If I decided to put funny in front of my name,
860
00:44:32.300 --> 00:44:34.980
because then it tells you in advance. And I find that, uh,
861
00:44:35.059 --> 00:44:37.579
I find it seductive to people that they'll believe it
862
00:44:37.699 --> 00:44:38.099
or not.
863
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.500
Like if you're, you know, even if you just say,
864
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:42.920
if your name is funny, Dave, if.
865
00:44:42.900 --> 00:44:45.340
You're funny, Dr. Funny Dave, Dr.
866
00:44:45.380 --> 00:44:47.940
Funny Dave Damoshek, you know, I think that has some
867
00:44:47.980 --> 00:44:50.699
cachet to it. And, um, so yeah, so I roll
868
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.340
with that. Now there's also mentioned on the Wikipedia page
869
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:57.219
of the fact that I've won, I think it's state
870
00:44:57.300 --> 00:45:00.460
swimming titles, or I did back in high school because
871
00:45:00.500 --> 00:45:05.289
of my webbed feet. I've neither won swimming contests, nor
872
00:45:05.369 --> 00:45:06.329
do I have webbed feet.
873
00:45:08.389 --> 00:45:10.909
You have an extreme case of dyslexia, which made it
874
00:45:10.969 --> 00:45:13.019
difficult to gain rudimentary knowledge.
875
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.059
Yeah, no, that one's not true either. That was a
876
00:45:17.099 --> 00:45:21.880
weird one. What is that? What's the goal of that one?
877
00:45:22.059 --> 00:45:26.159
Yeah, because you decided to forego your swimming career to
878
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:30.690
pursue broadcasting and robotics full time. I mean, you have
879
00:45:30.750 --> 00:45:35.349
the most interesting fake slash semi real Wikipedia page I've
880
00:45:35.409 --> 00:45:38.489
ever I look at everyone's Wikipedia page and I have
881
00:45:38.530 --> 00:45:40.369
to always be careful. And I think the best way
882
00:45:40.389 --> 00:45:41.889
is to go to the actual sources.
883
00:45:41.949 --> 00:45:42.150
Right.
884
00:45:42.190 --> 00:45:42.809
That can help.
885
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.369
Aggregate some of the sources, and then you can dive
886
00:45:45.449 --> 00:45:47.610
in deeper and learn about people that way. But I
887
00:45:47.650 --> 00:45:49.570
saw this. I remember texting AJ earlier. I said, hey,
888
00:45:50.090 --> 00:45:52.949
have you looked at Damoshek's Wikipedia page? There's no way
889
00:45:53.010 --> 00:45:55.860
some of this stuff is true. And he was informing
890
00:45:55.900 --> 00:45:58.920
me that, yeah, some of it was obviously wrong.
891
00:45:59.579 --> 00:46:01.300
I know. People go in there. I don't even know.
892
00:46:01.340 --> 00:46:04.789
I thought Wikipedia, I thought somebody monitored it.
893
00:46:04.940 --> 00:46:06.349
And if you did something, if there was.
894
00:46:07.150 --> 00:46:09.489
uh nonsense in there they took it out i delight
895
00:46:09.610 --> 00:46:11.730
in it though i'm i wanted to live there forever
896
00:46:11.769 --> 00:46:13.789
and i hope people will continue to add to it
897
00:46:13.949 --> 00:46:16.960
and uh build on the ridiculousness of it also there's
898
00:46:17.019 --> 00:46:19.340
in there i think it's in there that i announced
899
00:46:19.460 --> 00:46:22.179
to uh i used to do a show that uh
900
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.949
people it's a little bit of a cult uh has
901
00:46:24.969 --> 00:46:27.829
a cult following daves of thunder yeah i read about
902
00:46:27.849 --> 00:46:30.670
that yeah Yeah, that was a funny show. But the
903
00:46:30.730 --> 00:46:34.059
other guy, because of the other guy who was really
904
00:46:34.099 --> 00:46:39.219
funny on it, David Feeney, he announced once on that show,
905
00:46:39.739 --> 00:46:43.039
completely made up, of course, but said that when he
906
00:46:43.059 --> 00:46:45.440
and I first met, I had a girl on either arm.
907
00:46:45.949 --> 00:46:49.570
And I introduced myself to him as having moved to
908
00:46:49.610 --> 00:46:51.849
Hollywood because I'm here to cut out the noise.
909
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:54.179
I'm like, wow, what does that even mean?
910
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:57.199
And people all season, I'm like, how obnoxious you came
911
00:46:57.300 --> 00:46:59.170
out here and you said, what does that even mean?
912
00:46:59.230 --> 00:47:02.989
It's not, let's say I did say that. What does
913
00:47:03.030 --> 00:47:06.829
it mean? But anyway, yeah, there's a lot of nonsense
914
00:47:06.869 --> 00:47:07.869
on the Wikipedia page.
915
00:47:08.289 --> 00:47:11.449
Oh, I got you. It talked about though. And again,
916
00:47:11.630 --> 00:47:12.869
I don't know if some of these things are true
917
00:47:12.889 --> 00:47:17.639
or not. The fact that you got your first break
918
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:19.829
as a writer for the man show. And part of
919
00:47:19.889 --> 00:47:22.289
it had something to do with, um, a bit developed
920
00:47:22.530 --> 00:47:23.949
from a best man speech.
921
00:47:24.590 --> 00:47:25.230
Is that accurate?
922
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:29.199
No, not exactly.
923
00:47:29.300 --> 00:47:32.840
No, but I, I, I, the, the actual story of
924
00:47:32.900 --> 00:47:36.769
the man show is, uh, or how I wound up
925
00:47:37.090 --> 00:47:42.179
doing that was I went over to my first job
926
00:47:42.449 --> 00:47:46.480
in L.A. or my first writing job I got five
927
00:47:46.539 --> 00:47:49.880
months in was on an old Fox Sports trivia show.
928
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:54.619
And one of the guys who worked there was Sal Iacono,
929
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.480
or you might know him as Cousin Sal from Jimmy
930
00:47:57.539 --> 00:48:02.760
Kimmel Live. But obviously that predates his rise to stardom.
931
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:06.179
And so I went over to watch football one Sunday
932
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.909
at his place and I went over and I'm sitting
933
00:48:08.949 --> 00:48:11.530
in this room and it felt like I was in
934
00:48:11.570 --> 00:48:14.090
a basement kind of thing and where– this is where
935
00:48:14.110 --> 00:48:18.880
you live. And then Jimmy Kimmel came down. Wait, Jimmy Kimmel? Oh,
936
00:48:19.099 --> 00:48:21.119
you live in Jimmy Kimmel's house.
937
00:48:21.139 --> 00:48:21.840
In the basement?
938
00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:28.329
Oh, you're– and– So it was me and Sal and
939
00:48:28.409 --> 00:48:31.849
Kimmel and then Carolla showed up and Carolla did not
940
00:48:31.929 --> 00:48:32.670
say hello to me.
941
00:48:33.230 --> 00:48:34.440
Literally would not.
942
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.099
Make eye contact with me and would not speak to
943
00:48:37.139 --> 00:48:40.739
me for the entire seven hours of watching football. Because
944
00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:45.340
he has since explained that he keeps new people on probation.
945
00:48:45.409 --> 00:48:48.909
He doesn't know if they're worth the energy and he
946
00:48:48.969 --> 00:48:52.909
keeps them on probation for an indeterminate period. And once
947
00:48:52.949 --> 00:48:55.110
he decides he likes them, then he gets to know them.
948
00:48:55.250 --> 00:48:58.269
It cuts out a lot of wasted effort.
949
00:48:58.090 --> 00:48:59.570
On his part, he'll explain.
950
00:48:59.610 --> 00:49:02.170
And you should be flattered if he does decide at
951
00:49:02.210 --> 00:49:04.030
some point to start talking to you.
952
00:49:05.150 --> 00:49:07.550
What did you do to get him to eventually talk
953
00:49:07.590 --> 00:49:07.780
to you?
954
00:49:10.739 --> 00:49:13.639
Well, I remember that I went to so I was
955
00:49:13.659 --> 00:49:17.090
so we're watching football and whatever we were yapping about
956
00:49:17.130 --> 00:49:19.909
this and that. And at some point towards the end
957
00:49:19.929 --> 00:49:22.699
of the day, Kimmel said, hey, we're staffing for the
958
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:23.139
Man Show.
959
00:49:23.179 --> 00:49:23.949
You should submit.
960
00:49:24.469 --> 00:49:27.420
And in my submission, he liked one bit. I mean
961
00:49:27.460 --> 00:49:30.300
it was like a 12-page submission. But I wrote one
962
00:49:30.340 --> 00:49:34.199
little thing. That he liked and it got me an
963
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.750
interview and I went in there and talked to– I
964
00:49:37.769 --> 00:49:42.510
mean it was probably about as intimidating a situation. I
965
00:49:42.550 --> 00:49:46.349
don't get nervous to talk to athletes, but I get
966
00:49:46.389 --> 00:49:48.570
nervous to talk to funny people. When I know that
967
00:49:48.610 --> 00:49:53.570
people are professionally funny, that is intimidating to me. because
968
00:49:53.590 --> 00:49:55.710
you want them to think you're funny and, but you
969
00:49:55.730 --> 00:49:57.679
don't want to do, but, but they also can sniff
970
00:49:57.739 --> 00:49:59.500
out that you're trying too hard and all that kind
971
00:49:59.539 --> 00:49:59.880
of stuff.
972
00:49:59.960 --> 00:50:01.920
Obviously they're, they're judging you at all times.
973
00:50:02.619 --> 00:50:05.539
So I walk in there. So it's, uh, Jimmy, it's, uh,
974
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:10.130
Adam Carolla. It's the, um, the other executive producer of
975
00:50:10.150 --> 00:50:13.369
the show. And then another guy who they introduce is Bob.
976
00:50:13.630 --> 00:50:16.070
And like, and you know, Bob, right. And I'm like, uh, yeah,
977
00:50:16.090 --> 00:50:16.710
I know Bob.
978
00:50:16.949 --> 00:50:20.110
And I didn't know Bob, but I vaguely recognized him,
979
00:50:20.150 --> 00:50:22.710
but I couldn't place him. There's a little guy in
980
00:50:22.730 --> 00:50:25.530
a ball cap. And about five minutes in, I realized, oh,
981
00:50:25.570 --> 00:50:28.170
that's Bobcat Goldthwait. Why is he sitting in here? Is
982
00:50:28.210 --> 00:50:31.090
he like a prop that they brought in here to
983
00:50:31.150 --> 00:50:34.050
see how you react to the guy from Police Academy?
984
00:50:34.090 --> 00:50:36.309
And then it turned out I didn't know he was
985
00:50:36.349 --> 00:50:39.050
directing segments for them. So he was in the room
986
00:50:39.110 --> 00:50:41.309
as well. And you just sit in the room and
987
00:50:41.329 --> 00:50:44.449
the four of them have a conversation. And like 10
988
00:50:44.449 --> 00:50:49.070
minutes in, I'm completely silent. And I realized, Oh, they
989
00:50:49.110 --> 00:50:52.099
want you to inject yourself into their conversation to see
990
00:50:52.139 --> 00:50:53.420
how you bounce off each other.
991
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:55.940
Um, and it was, it was.
992
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:59.809
Just a misery because Corolla doesn't really, you know, in a,
993
00:50:59.869 --> 00:51:03.150
he wasn't receptive to anything I was saying in the
994
00:51:03.190 --> 00:51:03.690
room there.
995
00:51:04.150 --> 00:51:10.409
And then, uh, a And it was it went it
996
00:51:10.449 --> 00:51:10.730
was one.
997
00:51:10.670 --> 00:51:13.170
Of the five worst moments of my life.
998
00:51:13.289 --> 00:51:16.469
It was just a misery. Just like sitting there. Say something, Dave.
999
00:51:16.489 --> 00:51:19.050
You know, fly on the wall watching yourself with these
1000
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:23.360
professionally funny people. And I'm trying to jump into their conversation.
1001
00:51:23.420 --> 00:51:25.679
It was it was it was horrible.
1002
00:51:26.050 --> 00:51:28.469
But then a few days later, as it happened, it
1003
00:51:28.510 --> 00:51:30.659
was the Super Bowl with the Ravens and the Giants.
1004
00:51:30.699 --> 00:51:32.659
We're about to play each other. And Sal said, hey,
1005
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:36.300
come over. We're having a party to watch the Super Bowl.
1006
00:51:36.340 --> 00:51:38.199
And I thought, like, I don't know. I said, Sal,
1007
00:51:38.300 --> 00:51:40.659
you know, I just bombed that interview. It's too embarrassing
1008
00:51:40.699 --> 00:51:42.880
for me to show up there. And he said, ah,
1009
00:51:42.900 --> 00:51:45.219
just come. You know, it can't hurt you to be
1010
00:51:45.260 --> 00:51:47.559
in front of them one more time. And, you know,
1011
00:51:47.579 --> 00:51:49.199
who knows what happens. And I said, I really don't.
1012
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:52.519
So I showed up against my better judgment. And I'm
1013
00:51:52.539 --> 00:51:55.179
talking to Sal at the party. And Carolla walks by.
1014
00:51:55.739 --> 00:51:58.670
And and Sal, who, if you've ever seen him, likes
1015
00:51:58.710 --> 00:52:02.289
to mix things up and, you know, create create heat.
1016
00:52:02.789 --> 00:52:05.210
And he said, hey, Carolla, a damage check here says
1017
00:52:05.250 --> 00:52:07.449
that the interview went terribly.
1018
00:52:07.489 --> 00:52:09.489
It wasn't that bad. Was it? It couldn't have gotten
1019
00:52:09.510 --> 00:52:10.820
that badly, could it?
1020
00:52:11.260 --> 00:52:14.480
And Carolla said, yeah, he's like Steven Wright without the material.
1021
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:18.579
And and then I was fully devastated. But then I
1022
00:52:18.619 --> 00:52:19.699
wound up getting the job.
1023
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.300
And well, how do you how do you get it?
1024
00:52:22.340 --> 00:52:24.090
I mean, it obviously couldn't have been as bad as
1025
00:52:24.130 --> 00:52:24.510
you thought.
1026
00:52:26.170 --> 00:52:28.539
Um, well, I, like I said, I mean, legitimately, I
1027
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:31.920
think Corolla liked, I mean, uh, Kimmel liked, um, liked
1028
00:52:32.099 --> 00:52:34.880
one bit that, uh, that I wrote and that, uh,
1029
00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:38.760
that got me, I snuck through the door on that one.
1030
00:52:38.929 --> 00:52:41.869
And then, you know, I talk about the foolishness. I
1031
00:52:41.889 --> 00:52:44.769
talk about the quality.
1032
00:52:44.090 --> 00:52:45.670
And shameful alphabet letters.
1033
00:52:45.730 --> 00:52:49.349
And these are the sorts of conversations Corolla really enjoys
1034
00:52:49.409 --> 00:52:53.860
people who rank fruit and, um, you know, best residual
1035
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:57.079
cereal milk and stuff like that. So in debating that
1036
00:52:57.099 --> 00:52:59.760
kind of stuff, we fell in love.
1037
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:07.449
So interesting interview technique. So I'm trying to put myself
1038
00:53:07.550 --> 00:53:10.949
in the room and see this as it's happening. You
1039
00:53:11.369 --> 00:53:14.929
mixed in with these famous guys who are just having
1040
00:53:14.969 --> 00:53:18.710
a conversation amongst themselves about And then there's a there's
1041
00:53:18.750 --> 00:53:22.469
a moment where you realize, wait a second, I have
1042
00:53:22.510 --> 00:53:24.949
to be a part of this without them asking me
1043
00:53:24.989 --> 00:53:25.630
any questions.
1044
00:53:25.670 --> 00:53:28.050
And so is that accurate? Is that what was happening?
1045
00:53:28.610 --> 00:53:31.489
That's yeah, that's as I recall, that that was that
1046
00:53:31.510 --> 00:53:33.510
was pretty much there and me just sitting in a
1047
00:53:33.570 --> 00:53:34.829
pool of my own sweat.
1048
00:53:34.889 --> 00:53:35.570
Like what?
1049
00:53:35.690 --> 00:53:37.820
Why are they not talking to me? So what is
1050
00:53:37.949 --> 00:53:41.039
why am I? Sitting in this room right now– and
1051
00:53:41.099 --> 00:53:46.719
by the way, not a small element is Bobcat Goldthwait
1052
00:53:46.780 --> 00:53:50.750
sitting there because then– now I'm worried that I didn't
1053
00:53:50.949 --> 00:53:52.730
respond the way I should have when they said, well,
1054
00:53:52.769 --> 00:53:54.610
you know Bob, right? And I'm like, yeah, I know Bob,
1055
00:53:54.650 --> 00:53:57.250
but I was very– I was cavalier about it. I
1056
00:53:57.309 --> 00:53:58.530
was like, oh, yeah, I know Bob.
1057
00:53:58.570 --> 00:54:01.409
But he might have been– and then once I placed him,
1058
00:54:01.429 --> 00:54:03.980
then I really was upset. Like, wait a second. Was
1059
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:05.940
that insulting to him? Does he think I'm a.
1060
00:54:05.940 --> 00:54:08.179
Bad guy because I didn't go like, of course I
1061
00:54:08.219 --> 00:54:10.260
know him and I didn't swoon when I met him.
1062
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:11.059
Oh, big fan.
1063
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:13.829
I didn't do any of that. So is he put
1064
00:54:13.969 --> 00:54:16.570
off by that? And they're talking and I just remember
1065
00:54:16.789 --> 00:54:20.570
at one point. Just saying like, yeah, somehow I got
1066
00:54:20.670 --> 00:54:24.369
into the conversation. I started talking about my name when
1067
00:54:24.429 --> 00:54:27.409
I was in third grade, got me made fun of
1068
00:54:27.469 --> 00:54:29.469
a lot because it has a bad word in it,
1069
00:54:29.530 --> 00:54:32.030
damn a shack and the kids. And that's true that
1070
00:54:32.050 --> 00:54:34.860
they would always make fun of me. Dave Damoshek, the
1071
00:54:34.900 --> 00:54:37.320
damn people who live in the shack. I'm not going
1072
00:54:37.340 --> 00:54:38.400
to say your last name.
1073
00:54:38.460 --> 00:54:40.780
Dave Shek. Dave Shek.
1074
00:54:40.820 --> 00:54:43.400
And that's how I actually became Shek to a lot
1075
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:47.639
of people. And I'm telling this story, like you say,
1076
00:54:47.780 --> 00:54:51.590
to these professionally funny human beings. And I'm a fly
1077
00:54:51.630 --> 00:54:53.070
on the wall just looking at myself.
1078
00:54:53.170 --> 00:54:55.530
What are you doing? What are you talking about right
1079
00:54:55.550 --> 00:54:58.309
now to these guys? This is not going well. It
1080
00:54:58.349 --> 00:54:59.909
was horrific. It really was horrific.
1081
00:54:59.969 --> 00:55:02.449
So what did you learn from that moment that is
1082
00:55:02.550 --> 00:55:06.780
potentially– helped you now let's say you're in the presence
1083
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:07.420
of I.
1084
00:55:09.659 --> 00:55:13.639
Don't know the Amy Schumer.
1085
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:14.840
And a bunch of other funny people and you're in
1086
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:18.760
I'm picturing you guys in LA at this fancy party
1087
00:55:18.780 --> 00:55:20.670
that I'm sure you go to those types of things
1088
00:55:21.309 --> 00:55:24.170
and you're you know you're maybe you're with with Carolla
1089
00:55:24.190 --> 00:55:26.789
or one of those guys and there's a circle forming
1090
00:55:26.849 --> 00:55:29.670
everyone's got a beer or whatever they drink and they're
1091
00:55:29.690 --> 00:55:32.940
sitting there Like, how do you handle those? I think
1092
00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:34.480
a lot of people can actually relate to this, but
1093
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:36.639
maybe not in L.A. with famous people. But, you know,
1094
00:55:37.219 --> 00:55:40.219
and what's your approach? Do you sit back and wait?
1095
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:43.099
I mean, you're a pretty outgoing guy. Are you in there, like,
1096
00:55:43.260 --> 00:55:45.679
with a great joke? Do you have one at the ready?
1097
00:55:45.739 --> 00:55:48.599
Or what is your approach now to moments like that
1098
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:53.320
with famous people or really funny people, more importantly for you,
1099
00:55:53.780 --> 00:55:55.639
that you're thinking, like, I want these people to kind
1100
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:57.440
of like me or think I'm at least good?
1101
00:55:57.599 --> 00:55:58.380
How do you approach that?
1102
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:05.280
I think– and then to connect it with talking to
1103
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:11.690
multimillionaire football players who are 23 years old or 27
1104
00:56:11.690 --> 00:56:15.090
years old and have the world at their fingertips and
1105
00:56:15.130 --> 00:56:15.630
everything else.
1106
00:56:15.690 --> 00:56:19.150
I think the thing that seems to.
1107
00:56:19.070 --> 00:56:23.800
Sort of work is being nice without being a kiss-ass.
1108
00:56:23.820 --> 00:56:32.000
I think– Those guys, you don't want to be either extreme.
1109
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:36.639
Now I'm thinking about this. This is an interesting thought experiment.
1110
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:37.199
I agree.
1111
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.010
So I think it's part of like, so how do
1112
00:56:39.050 --> 00:56:44.849
you flatter somebody without completely looking like that fan who
1113
00:56:44.869 --> 00:56:46.909
was just like, oh, I loved you in that movie, dude,
1114
00:56:46.989 --> 00:56:50.570
or A-Rod, great game. Because I've been in those situations,
1115
00:56:50.590 --> 00:56:53.920
and I think about this too. In Lake Tahoe, we
1116
00:56:53.940 --> 00:56:55.980
were with Aaron Rodgers for quite some time, and I'm like,
1117
00:56:56.429 --> 00:56:58.530
Do I tell him that I think he's the best
1118
00:56:58.710 --> 00:57:01.150
quarterback in the world? Nah, probably not. I don't think
1119
00:57:01.190 --> 00:57:04.409
that's a good move. But I do appreciate putting on
1120
00:57:04.429 --> 00:57:08.340
the belt. And you're sitting there conflicted until you're just like,
1121
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:08.739
you know what?
1122
00:57:09.179 --> 00:57:10.179
And this is my approach.
1123
00:57:10.619 --> 00:57:12.920
Let me just act like he's one of AJ's buddies
1124
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:14.320
and just go that route.
1125
00:57:14.579 --> 00:57:16.559
He's just one of his friends. Because that's the truth.
1126
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:18.880
He just happens to do something that a lot of people,
1127
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.659
including myself, think is incredible and out of this world.
1128
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:23.539
But I can't really approach.
1129
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:26.659
the conversations in that manner, because then I don't know
1130
00:57:26.699 --> 00:57:27.320
what I'm going to do.
1131
00:57:28.260 --> 00:57:28.619
Yeah.
1132
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:32.769
And yeah, so you don't, you can't be obsequious like that.
1133
00:57:32.809 --> 00:57:36.150
You can't just, you know, you can't lose your dignity.
1134
00:57:36.170 --> 00:57:41.099
And I also feel like, Certainly with talking to players,
1135
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:44.719
they deal with that. And not just fans, but if
1136
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:49.760
you really look at it, everybody gushes. That's one thing
1137
00:57:50.070 --> 00:57:54.809
I always think, and it serves me, I don't necessarily
1138
00:57:54.849 --> 00:58:00.170
say comedically, but from an entertainment standpoint, I think it
1139
00:58:00.230 --> 00:58:04.489
plays as kind of quirky and fun. I always say
1140
00:58:04.530 --> 00:58:08.980
to myself when I am talking to players that, If
1141
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:13.840
I can create the vibe that they're lucky to be
1142
00:58:13.889 --> 00:58:17.389
talking to me instead of the other way around, it
1143
00:58:17.449 --> 00:58:21.130
creates a funny energy because it throws all players for
1144
00:58:21.150 --> 00:58:24.599
a loop that you mentioned no jive.
1145
00:58:24.619 --> 00:58:28.969
Yeah. I like to say that jokingly. Don't jive me.
1146
00:58:28.989 --> 00:58:32.070
And your brother is one of the biggest violators of
1147
00:58:32.659 --> 00:58:33.519
my cardinal rule.
1148
00:58:33.739 --> 00:58:37.480
We're going to take it one game at a time.
1149
00:58:37.500 --> 00:58:39.059
We're going to work really hard.
1150
00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:42.349
It's a one-game season here, Damoshek. We've got to work.
1151
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:43.719
Work hard and watch the film.
1152
00:58:43.780 --> 00:58:45.130
I don't know, Damoshek. I don't know.
1153
00:58:45.170 --> 00:58:48.050
Peyton's pretty good. Peyton's one of the best ever. Oh,
1154
00:58:48.090 --> 00:58:48.849
come on, Hawk.
1155
00:58:48.889 --> 00:58:51.389
You know that he doesn't play well out in the cold.
1156
00:58:51.469 --> 00:58:52.809
And you know in January, like.
1157
00:58:53.190 --> 00:58:54.949
I don't know, Damoshek. You want to get me into
1158
00:58:55.010 --> 00:58:56.469
one of your– you want to get me in trouble,
1159
00:58:56.510 --> 00:58:57.869
but I'm not going to take the bait here.
1160
00:58:58.670 --> 00:59:02.989
That's the sort of stuff I part ways with AJ on.
1161
00:59:03.889 --> 00:59:07.090
But, yeah, I think if you– I think.
1162
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:10.960
That that that's what i try to do basically is
1163
00:59:11.099 --> 00:59:14.440
is create that sense that that i'm not there to
1164
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:18.679
kiss their ass but but also they also it gives
1165
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:22.500
me too much gravity to suggest that somehow they respect
1166
00:59:22.539 --> 00:59:24.480
that makes it sound like they respect me because i'm
1167
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:27.579
not kissing their ass they also sense in me that
1168
00:59:27.619 --> 00:59:30.519
i'm not there to embarrass i'm not trying to catch
1169
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:34.400
them on anything now tell In your own words, Greg Hardy,
1170
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:36.699
walk me through that night. You know, I'm not doing
1171
00:59:36.739 --> 00:59:40.119
those kind of those kind of interviews. I'm not doing those.
1172
00:59:40.179 --> 00:59:42.909
I'm not playing that angle, really. You know, I talk
1173
00:59:42.929 --> 00:59:45.449
to them about football and I talk to them about
1174
00:59:45.510 --> 00:59:47.289
what it's like. I mean, what I think a lot
1175
00:59:47.309 --> 00:59:49.809
of people care about with fans, what fans care about
1176
00:59:49.889 --> 00:59:54.769
is I'm fascinated. Like AJ told me when after a
1177
00:59:54.829 --> 00:59:58.900
cold day. Packers playoff game that you know that he
1178
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:00.900
came up with and so a lot of the guys
1179
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:03.400
on the team started doing it that they all start
1180
01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:07.030
putting their helmets into the sauna at halftime to warm
1181
01:00:07.170 --> 01:00:09.510
themselves up on a cold game and that they serve
1182
01:00:09.630 --> 01:00:12.630
soup on the sidelines at Lambeau I think that's fascinating
1183
01:00:12.670 --> 01:00:14.650
I like that what do you do on game day
1184
01:00:14.690 --> 01:00:16.250
when you wake up what do you like I think
1185
01:00:16.289 --> 01:00:17.969
all that kind of stuff is fun and do you
1186
01:00:18.090 --> 01:00:20.219
are you aware of what's happening in other games around
1187
01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:21.099
the league I I think.
1188
01:00:21.010 --> 01:00:23.340
That's all fun because that's our experience. And so what's
1189
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:25.599
it like for the guys that are that are living it?
1190
01:00:25.980 --> 01:00:28.860
So anyway, so, you know, talking to guys about TV
1191
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:32.719
shows and, you know, what's their favorite breakfast meat is
1192
01:00:33.099 --> 01:00:36.670
at least. um, stuff that they aren't asked otherwise. And
1193
01:00:36.730 --> 01:00:40.320
so they can't just go into that, uh, cruise control
1194
01:00:40.380 --> 01:00:40.920
setting of.
1195
01:00:40.900 --> 01:00:42.719
Like, yeah, well, you know, we, we, we've, uh, you know,
1196
01:00:42.739 --> 01:00:43.440
we got to.
1197
01:00:43.619 --> 01:00:45.539
Play every game, uh, you know, we got to give
1198
01:00:45.539 --> 01:00:48.159
60 minutes and, uh, you know, like, uh, only score
1199
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:50.050
that matters is the final score. And, you know, like
1200
01:00:50.070 --> 01:00:51.949
all that, like, I don't, I don't care about that
1201
01:00:51.969 --> 01:00:54.809
and nobody else does either, you know? So if you're there,
1202
01:00:54.849 --> 01:00:57.980
there's a, there is a sentiment out there that, Players
1203
01:00:58.019 --> 01:01:00.059
have nothing to say or they're not going to say
1204
01:01:00.099 --> 01:01:03.199
anything insightful. But I think if you give them the opportunity,
1205
01:01:03.260 --> 01:01:06.030
they're they're a lot. That's my goal is to, you know,
1206
01:01:06.329 --> 01:01:09.150
really not just because I'm talking to Ryan Hawk, but
1207
01:01:09.269 --> 01:01:12.610
I think that guys like A.J. Hawk or, you know, I, I, I,
1208
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:18.760
I love that. exposing the personalities of of good guys
1209
01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:21.250
in the league like that you know to land on
1210
01:01:21.289 --> 01:01:24.070
who those guys are and be able to to tell
1211
01:01:24.530 --> 01:01:27.750
the society out there hey AJ Hawk funny guy you
1212
01:01:27.769 --> 01:01:29.739
should check this guy out he's a he's a cool
1213
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:32.719
guy I love the opportunity to do that But then
1214
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:35.900
the other side of it is– so I don't want
1215
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:38.519
to be obsequious with these guys and kiss their butt.
1216
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:40.659
I like to create a vibe of like, hey, I'm
1217
01:01:40.699 --> 01:01:43.860
your equal even though clearly I'm a pot-bellied Jew.
1218
01:01:43.940 --> 01:01:46.039
Like I have no business.
1219
01:01:46.500 --> 01:01:49.440
What business do I have debating who the better team
1220
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:51.800
is with a guy who's actually on that team? But
1221
01:01:51.820 --> 01:01:55.409
that makes for– I think for fun times. But then
1222
01:01:55.429 --> 01:02:00.409
the other side of it is don't– especially with comedians–
1223
01:02:00.860 --> 01:02:01.659
Those guys get.
1224
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:03.480
Performed at so much.
1225
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:06.920
Everybody looks at it as their opportunity I feel like
1226
01:02:07.019 --> 01:02:12.309
to convince funny people that they're funny and the fact
1227
01:02:12.329 --> 01:02:15.619
of the matter– it's a funny thing. I always I've
1228
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:19.000
said many times people will tell you terrible things about themselves.
1229
01:02:19.179 --> 01:02:21.340
People will admit that they're not good looking.
1230
01:02:21.659 --> 01:02:22.619
You know, people always.
1231
01:02:22.460 --> 01:02:24.840
Will say, like, I know I'm not the prettiest guy around,
1232
01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:26.940
but I make up for it with what we're like.
1233
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:27.739
You know, I'm.
1234
01:02:27.659 --> 01:02:30.820
Not the smartest guy there is, but I'm a nice,
1235
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:32.679
you know, all that kind of stuff. But the one
1236
01:02:32.699 --> 01:02:35.630
thing nobody seems to be self-aware about is whether or
1237
01:02:35.659 --> 01:02:38.619
not they're funny. And everybody thinks they're funny. Everybody thinks
1238
01:02:38.659 --> 01:02:40.719
they get the joke. Nobody thinks like, yeah, I have
1239
01:02:40.739 --> 01:02:43.010
a terrible sense of humor. Nobody will ever say that
1240
01:02:43.070 --> 01:02:46.670
to you. It's funny, so they want to impress upon
1241
01:02:47.230 --> 01:02:50.309
whoever the celebrity is how funny they can be, and
1242
01:02:50.329 --> 01:02:52.690
I don't think very many people are interested in being
1243
01:02:52.750 --> 01:02:55.840
performed like that. That's the sort of– I think being
1244
01:02:55.900 --> 01:03:00.019
nice is the– short answer to the question you asked
1245
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:04.420
long ago. I think, uh, treating people as, uh, like I,
1246
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:08.079
I think your strategy basically threads the needle there.
1247
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:10.599
Yeah. Are they there? Treat them like you would treat
1248
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:12.679
most anybody else. It seems to work.
1249
01:03:13.139 --> 01:03:13.449
Yeah.
1250
01:03:13.570 --> 01:03:17.309
And the, um, I'm thinking of like, and I've been
1251
01:03:17.329 --> 01:03:19.469
in these moments probably earlier in my career and thinking
1252
01:03:19.730 --> 01:03:22.070
to some of the people listening now who might be
1253
01:03:22.090 --> 01:03:24.610
a little bit earlier in their career, whatever their career
1254
01:03:24.650 --> 01:03:27.789
may be. and let's say the CEO of their company
1255
01:03:27.869 --> 01:03:30.650
or the high-ups walk into the room and they're at
1256
01:03:30.670 --> 01:03:33.389
this big meeting, they're at a hotel and it's a break,
1257
01:03:33.769 --> 01:03:36.730
and they happen to be in the same circle as
1258
01:03:36.769 --> 01:03:39.909
the CEO. And you have this natural ability, I think,
1259
01:03:39.929 --> 01:03:41.769
and I've seen it so many times, not just with
1260
01:03:41.789 --> 01:03:44.800
my brother, but with others, to get people to maybe
1261
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:48.019
share information that they normally wouldn't share, and also to
1262
01:03:48.139 --> 01:03:52.000
level that playing field. You can see how athletes and
1263
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:56.550
others react to people interviewing them. It's... And it's so
1264
01:03:56.719 --> 01:03:58.940
quick to see when you're the guy doing the interviewing,
1265
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:03.119
it's like you and that person, you do in fact
1266
01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:05.340
do a good job of making them feel like they
1267
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:07.440
are in a way lucky to be there. Or at minimum,
1268
01:04:07.460 --> 01:04:09.579
you guys are the same. Like you and AJ just
1269
01:04:09.699 --> 01:04:12.599
get about the notebook and you walk with the stuff
1270
01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:16.780
behind you and interview with other guys. How can somebody,
1271
01:04:16.860 --> 01:04:20.420
let's say they're 27 years old, they get in the
1272
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:23.679
circle with the drink and the CEO and the senior
1273
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:24.739
VP walk up.
1274
01:04:26.380 --> 01:04:28.900
Think of Dave Damoshek. I'm being serious here, actually.
1275
01:04:29.380 --> 01:04:33.489
And put them on the same level because those guys
1276
01:04:33.530 --> 01:04:36.809
and girls are used to being kissed up to constantly.
1277
01:04:37.170 --> 01:04:39.110
I mean, they never know who's telling the truth because
1278
01:04:39.170 --> 01:04:42.130
people always just want to, I don't know, make themselves
1279
01:04:42.610 --> 01:04:47.429
look good. Is there anything that you could potentially help
1280
01:04:47.570 --> 01:04:50.369
others with when you think about your approach and really
1281
01:04:50.409 --> 01:04:53.139
deconstruct how you're able to do it for that type
1282
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:53.659
of a person?
1283
01:04:56.030 --> 01:04:59.210
Well, I wish I knew how to play– if I
1284
01:04:59.250 --> 01:05:03.760
could play human beings as well as it seems like
1285
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:05.860
you think I'm good at doing, I wish I.
1286
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:08.159
I really think you can though. Maybe it's just a
1287
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:10.980
natural innate thing. I don't know.
1288
01:05:11.340 --> 01:05:14.880
I think that– I think it goes back to– really,
1289
01:05:15.179 --> 01:05:17.380
I put it back to what you just said there.
1290
01:05:17.460 --> 01:05:21.679
I think really bosses– in whatever industry that, and I,
1291
01:05:21.980 --> 01:05:24.179
like I say, I've had bosses in sales and I've
1292
01:05:24.219 --> 01:05:28.289
had bosses in, uh, football meet in, you know, sports media.
1293
01:05:28.309 --> 01:05:31.510
And I've had bosses in, um, you know, at comedy shows.
1294
01:05:32.070 --> 01:05:32.429
It does.
1295
01:05:32.809 --> 01:05:35.090
I guess the, the thing is that, uh, as I
1296
01:05:35.150 --> 01:05:39.760
think about it, I've never really contemplated it, but, All
1297
01:05:39.780 --> 01:05:43.019
those people, the thing they really don't like is having
1298
01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:44.900
their butt kissed because you can tell when you're having
1299
01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:46.019
your butt kissed.
1300
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:48.980
Karol always jokes like, you don't like having your butt kissed.
1301
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:51.530
You've never had your butt kissed. I love it. I
1302
01:05:51.550 --> 01:05:52.010
like people.
1303
01:05:52.909 --> 01:05:56.750
But really, if you're interacting with people and these are–
1304
01:05:57.329 --> 01:06:01.250
those people know when you're kissing up to them. They
1305
01:06:01.289 --> 01:06:03.719
don't want to feel– different or they don't want to
1306
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:07.309
feel like you're modifying your personality or your behavior because
1307
01:06:07.329 --> 01:06:08.250
they're in the room.
1308
01:06:08.630 --> 01:06:11.070
They want to feel like they can do that.
1309
01:06:11.110 --> 01:06:14.429
They don't want to feel objectified in that way. That's
1310
01:06:14.510 --> 01:06:16.769
my hunch. I remember once when I was in sales,
1311
01:06:17.150 --> 01:06:19.050
we were out at a fancy big lunch with a
1312
01:06:19.550 --> 01:06:23.500
with a potential client and the boss of the company was, uh,
1313
01:06:24.059 --> 01:06:26.539
with my company was there and there were bosses from
1314
01:06:26.579 --> 01:06:30.059
the other company there and everything. And I was, you know,
1315
01:06:30.659 --> 01:06:32.949
I don't know, 24, 25 years old. And I remember
1316
01:06:32.969 --> 01:06:36.210
we were at this super fancy place on Wacker drive
1317
01:06:36.429 --> 01:06:41.150
in Chicago. And, um, the boss mentioned that her fish
1318
01:06:41.250 --> 01:06:43.050
was really good. So I reached over and I took
1319
01:06:43.090 --> 01:06:44.280
some off her plate and ate it.
1320
01:06:45.110 --> 01:06:48.469
Um, I don't know. I thought that was fun. What
1321
01:06:48.510 --> 01:06:50.760
she meant, she was talking food, you know, and so
1322
01:06:50.820 --> 01:06:53.199
I reached over. What did she say?
1323
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:57.420
After the fact, she mentioned that maybe that might not
1324
01:06:57.500 --> 01:06:58.409
play very well.
1325
01:06:59.409 --> 01:07:01.449
But I thought it was fun. I mean, I don't know.
1326
01:07:01.510 --> 01:07:03.389
Maybe that was a bad thing. It was charming. Yeah,
1327
01:07:03.469 --> 01:07:03.989
I don't know.
1328
01:07:04.469 --> 01:07:07.409
I don't mean going out of your way to berate
1329
01:07:07.510 --> 01:07:08.969
somebody and give people crap.
1330
01:07:09.010 --> 01:07:10.820
You don't have to roast the boss when they walk
1331
01:07:10.860 --> 01:07:11.440
in the room.
1332
01:07:12.139 --> 01:07:14.699
But on the other hand, yeah, treating people, treating them
1333
01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:17.280
the same as you treat everybody else, they see that.
1334
01:07:17.340 --> 01:07:19.679
They see that you– laugh with.
1335
01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:22.420
Them and you know i guess if that's not your
1336
01:07:22.460 --> 01:07:24.800
way my way is you know i'm a wiseacre so
1337
01:07:24.900 --> 01:07:27.420
if i'm not a wiseacre to the boss then they
1338
01:07:27.579 --> 01:07:30.539
they can sniff that out and they probably would on
1339
01:07:30.579 --> 01:07:32.780
some level resent you for not treating them the same
1340
01:07:32.820 --> 01:07:34.079
way you're treating everybody.
1341
01:07:33.820 --> 01:07:37.190
Else yeah or like you see the people who go
1342
01:07:37.269 --> 01:07:39.809
up and tell the tell the boss person i've actually
1343
01:07:40.010 --> 01:07:41.590
had this happen And.
1344
01:07:41.550 --> 01:07:43.719
They're like, man, it looks like you really lost weight.
1345
01:07:44.340 --> 01:07:46.360
And I'm like, what?
1346
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:49.139
When it's obvious that the person hasn't lost any weight.
1347
01:07:49.179 --> 01:07:51.719
If anything, maybe the opposite. And it's like, why say that?
1348
01:07:51.739 --> 01:07:55.769
I mean, that's just– that's jive. That's just not true.
1349
01:07:56.530 --> 01:07:57.710
And the bottom.
1350
01:07:57.329 --> 01:07:59.849
Line is like how smart do you think you are?
1351
01:07:59.989 --> 01:08:02.119
You think they can't pick that up?
1352
01:08:02.389 --> 01:08:07.489
Yeah, completely agree. It's really interesting topics now. But I– Man,
1353
01:08:07.550 --> 01:08:10.030
I really appreciate you investing your time here.
1354
01:08:10.050 --> 01:08:11.130
This has been good.
1355
01:08:11.369 --> 01:08:14.550
All I'd ask is that hopefully we can continue the
1356
01:08:14.610 --> 01:08:16.989
dialogue and continue talking and do it again at some
1357
01:08:17.050 --> 01:08:19.449
point in the future, maybe mid-season or at the end
1358
01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:22.960
of the season, because this has been just so much fun.
1359
01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:24.960
For me to kind of look at it from a
1360
01:08:24.979 --> 01:08:25.380
different angle.
1361
01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:27.640
I didn't really know what to expect when we talked
1362
01:08:27.659 --> 01:08:29.659
because you've got such a, like I said, a vibrant
1363
01:08:29.699 --> 01:08:34.779
and lively, funny personality, but to get career advice is interesting,
1364
01:08:35.100 --> 01:08:36.539
and I really appreciate it.
1365
01:08:38.140 --> 01:08:40.920
Well, first of all, no, we can never do this again.
1366
01:08:40.939 --> 01:08:44.590
I'm sorry. But I appreciate the kind words. No, yeah,
1367
01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:49.989
of course, anytime. Like I said, a fan of all
1368
01:08:50.029 --> 01:08:53.189
things Hawk, and now that extends to Ryan Hawk. Yeah,
1369
01:08:53.250 --> 01:08:56.409
happy to do whatever you want to, man. Yeah, but
1370
01:08:56.449 --> 01:08:58.770
the main thing is that, like I say, the holy grail.
1371
01:08:58.850 --> 01:09:00.859
I want the old man. Let's bring the old man
1372
01:09:00.939 --> 01:09:01.939
on and figure out his life.
1373
01:09:02.020 --> 01:09:04.420
Well, we've got to make a trip out to you,
1374
01:09:04.859 --> 01:09:08.510
and I actually think I'm going out there in October sometime.
1375
01:09:08.590 --> 01:09:10.470
I've got to bring him with me or something. We've
1376
01:09:10.489 --> 01:09:11.090
got to make that happen.
1377
01:09:11.109 --> 01:09:11.409
Ooh.
1378
01:09:12.369 --> 01:09:14.649
I like that. Who knows? Who knows what your brother
1379
01:09:14.689 --> 01:09:16.050
will be up to in October, too?
1380
01:09:16.170 --> 01:09:16.630
I don't know.
1381
01:09:16.750 --> 01:09:20.720
If somebody gives him a call or maybe your network,
1382
01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:21.640
who knows?
1383
01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:25.039
I don't know.
1384
01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:27.399
Don't tease me. What a dream that would be for Hawk.
1385
01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:29.359
Well, you got some pull. What's going on?
1386
01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:31.319
I think he's got a few different things he's thinking
1387
01:09:31.390 --> 01:09:34.649
about outside of the field. What's going on at the
1388
01:09:34.689 --> 01:09:37.189
NFL Network and the boss? I'm sure if they said
1389
01:09:37.510 --> 01:09:39.489
if they said if I don't know who the boss is,
1390
01:09:39.909 --> 01:09:43.229
but if they said, hey, Dave Damoshek wants a word.
1391
01:09:43.710 --> 01:09:46.310
He's got a guy that you need to hire immediately.
1392
01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:48.619
How does that conversation? What's that sound like?
1393
01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:49.720
Oh, yeah.
1394
01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:52.859
Hawk would definitely be in my top, like, 150 or
1395
01:09:52.859 --> 01:09:54.619
200 players to get hired.
1396
01:09:54.420 --> 01:09:55.300
Over at the– no.
1397
01:09:56.060 --> 01:09:58.800
No, of course that would be– that would be some
1398
01:09:58.859 --> 01:10:03.939
dream to have. Are you asking– are they receptive to
1399
01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:05.180
any of my ideas?
1400
01:10:05.500 --> 01:10:05.760
Yeah.
1401
01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:08.800
Yeah, I think so. I think they get– Do.
1402
01:10:08.579 --> 01:10:11.100
You have enough pull now to where you can be like, hey, listen,
1403
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:13.260
I want to make something happen here. I'm going to
1404
01:10:13.300 --> 01:10:15.600
be a little recruiter here for the NFL Network.
1405
01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:19.319
I think they'd certainly listen to what I have to say.
1406
01:10:19.380 --> 01:10:22.079
I think they know, based on everything you and I
1407
01:10:22.100 --> 01:10:24.779
have just been talking about, yeah, they know my background.
1408
01:10:24.939 --> 01:10:28.189
I didn't come up as a... As a.
1409
01:10:28.220 --> 01:10:32.300
Reporter or as a performer, I came up as a writer.
1410
01:10:32.380 --> 01:10:36.319
So they know that I am– that I have experience
1411
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:39.310
at least in putting shows together or putting segments together
1412
01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:42.289
and everything else. So I think maybe my word has
1413
01:10:42.770 --> 01:10:44.789
some value there. Yeah, I believe.
1414
01:10:45.130 --> 01:10:46.989
You think 50? You think I don't want 50 in
1415
01:10:47.010 --> 01:10:48.289
the fold? I'd love it. Nice.
1416
01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:52.569
To have Hawk out there. The only thing is that
1417
01:10:52.609 --> 01:10:54.770
maybe you could help out with this too. I've pushed
1418
01:10:54.810 --> 01:10:57.550
him for years now. I want his wife to start
1419
01:10:57.590 --> 01:11:00.170
calling him Hawk. I think that's way cooler. Like just
1420
01:11:00.210 --> 01:11:02.850
lose the AJ. He should just need to be like Sting.
1421
01:11:02.930 --> 01:11:04.760
You mean like, oh, you guys talked about this from
1422
01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:07.000
like Homeland because she called him by his last name?
1423
01:11:07.439 --> 01:11:10.520
That's right. That's right. Yeah. He just should be Hawk.
1424
01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:13.550
Yeah. That might take some time. I don't know. I
1425
01:11:13.770 --> 01:11:16.609
obviously I'll talk to Laura. It's hard.
1426
01:11:16.670 --> 01:11:18.130
I don't know if I could do it. Cause it's this,
1427
01:11:18.189 --> 01:11:19.750
we have, well, she has the same name too. And
1428
01:11:19.789 --> 01:11:20.890
it's been 10 years now.
1429
01:11:20.989 --> 01:11:22.810
So I don't know. That's kind of weird.
1430
01:11:23.130 --> 01:11:25.909
Well, she can be Laura Hawk, but the point is that, uh,
1431
01:11:26.010 --> 01:11:28.399
that he, like, if he's going to be out there,
1432
01:11:28.720 --> 01:11:30.640
like he's, he's going to be, you know, like, Hey,
1433
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:34.180
and joining me on the broadcast, uh, you know, uh, uh,
1434
01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:38.460
Superbowl champ and, uh, all American from Ohio state Hawk,
1435
01:11:38.899 --> 01:11:39.779
you know, like I just.
1436
01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:42.340
Have power in having a one word name.
1437
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:44.119
Well, especially Hawk.
1438
01:11:44.819 --> 01:11:47.159
Just imagine like on the, on the, on the name
1439
01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:49.600
plate underneath them, you know, like it says like Brent
1440
01:11:49.619 --> 01:11:52.140
Musburger and then next to it just says Hawk.
1441
01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:54.890
I love that. That would be pretty cool.
1442
01:11:55.250 --> 01:11:55.810
It would be.
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Yeah.
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Let's make that.
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Let's try to make it happen.
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I got a lot of things to work on.
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Okay.
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All right.
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We can, we can hopefully by the next time we
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were closer to that goal. No, this is great. Hey,
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where would you send people?
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Maybe for the people, if they're still listening to you,
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have not heard of you, where would you send them
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to learn more about you online?
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Wikipedia, of course. No, Twitter.
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01:12:16.619 --> 01:12:20.510
I generally tweet out all things, whether it's podcasts. And
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I'm going to be doing a new show for NFL
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Network this year that's fantasy-based with Maurice Jones-Drew. And I
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tweet all that stuff out. So, yeah, at Damoshek is
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how you track.
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Me down that way.
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Man, I've actually gotten big into fantasy over the last–
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Three to five years, man. I was kind of adamantly
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against it, maybe. And then I got more away from playing.
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And for some reason, I really enjoy it now.
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It's fun.
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Yeah, it is fun.
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And I want to bounce off some play. You know,
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that's that's what's kind of interesting, too, is that guys
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01:12:52.329 --> 01:12:55.029
in the league actually play fantasy football and guys in
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01:12:55.050 --> 01:12:58.829
different sports play fantasy football, fantasy baseball and all that stuff.
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It's interesting.
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All right, man.
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I really appreciate it. At Damoshek on Twitter. People hit
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01:13:04.210 --> 01:13:05.850
you up, but this has been great, man. Look forward
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01:13:05.869 --> 01:13:07.050
to talking to you again soon.
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Sure thing, man. Anytime.
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All right, man. See you.
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Be well.
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This episode of The Learning Leader Show is over, but
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we have plenty more to keep you locked in until
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next time. Head over to learningleadershow.com for more information and
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01:13:23.090 --> 01:13:28.060
to request your favorite entrepreneur, CEO, world-class athlete, or anyone else.
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01:13:27.939 --> 01:13:28.800
That inspires you.
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01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:31.500
You can also talk to Ryan directly by reaching out
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01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:35.260
to him on Twitter at RyanHawk12. Thanks again, and we'll
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see you next time on The Learning Leader Show.