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Speaker 2: Lakes we will see.
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Speaker 3: You tom's The.
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Speaker 4: Just Baseball show wherever you get your. Podcasts, also thanks for joining us On Sports. Grid jack McMullin Arm. Layton as, always we are presented to you by the fine folks at BET. Mgm we're going to take this opportunity to give you an overarching look at THE, cs The American League Championship, series which is already underway when we're recording The National League Championship. Series by the time you're watching this On Sports, grid game one will already be through and we'll See game two coming up later. Tonight we also want to talk about The Detroit tigers their. Direction they extended their MANAGER. A. J, hinch also submittagerial changes and. Retention Mike shilt retires as The padre, skipper And Rob thompson is retained By philadelphia for twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: Six it's fun to.
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Speaker 4: Talk about and we're going to go a little broad through the front half of this show as it pertains THE, cs because the game by game doesn't really make sense right now because you'll be hearing this at you, know three different. Times you, know we already have a game under our. Belt on THE al, side we're Watching game two happen right. Now we just hit the record button immediately following The Julio rodriguez three run. Homers so WHAT i really want to do is kind of walk through, lineup, rotation bullpen where the advantages lie over the course of THE.
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Speaker 2: Cs does that sound? Good?
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Speaker 3: Yeah i'm.
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Speaker 5: In and it's funny BECAUSE i think each team has kind of a totally different strength weakness. Combination that thing's gonna make it really.
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Speaker 2: Fun, YEAH i think so.
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Speaker 4: Too SO i want to start with the lineups and we'll go on The American league side first and then pivot to THE nl. Side we're watching The Blue jays and The Seattle mariners battle right, now.
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Speaker 2: And seattle they really got.
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Speaker 4: Here it seems like over the last half decade by pitching and over the last couple of, years we, say, oh they may have the best rotation In Major League. Baseball their bullpen is one of the best In Major League. Baseball can they get? Bats can they get? Bats the answer is a resounding yet this, year and we've seen it from guys Like Julio rodriguez stepping.
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Speaker 2: Up Colt.
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Speaker 4: Rale, oh by the, way hit sixty, Homers but it's the Acquisitions Jorge polanco they put faith in again going into twenty twenty. Five it paid off at the end of the, year and boys are paying off in the. Postseason Josh naylor has been great for. Them Gino suarez has not that they pushed The chips forward at the deadline to do. That where do you feel like the strengths and weaknesses lie Within seattle's?
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Speaker 2: Lineup, WELL i.
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Speaker 3: Think seattle is funny.
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Speaker 5: Enough it's like it's the one team WHERE i think you look across the board AND i don't think there's one specific area where you really, say, oh that might be their utmost. Strength but if, anything in the, past we've always said it with the, pitching as you alluded, To but if, anything this, year it feels like the offense in general is just the strength because of the length now that it has all of a sudden OR i think in previous, years even when they were swinging a little bit better through stretches and even maybe before the, deadline, like, okay top half of the lineup's, good but is it going to be able to hold up or to see this what we talk about with The, phillies like this stark drop off after the top five.
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Speaker 3: Hitters and even with a Struggling.
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Speaker 5: Geno the fact that you can deploy a guy like him sixth in the, lineup you, know a guy that can leave the yard in any given that bad and when he's, right you, know is one of the better power hitters in the, game at least he was this. Year like the fact that that's your six. Hitter the fact that the bottom of the order is a proven CONSISTENT Jp crawford And Victor roebush has turned himself into a decent. Piece LIKE i think it's the lineup length that they have now and then to be able to still have THAT mvp, candidate star power and cal you have that In, julio but to have the nailers of the world now as well as you alluded, to and then even like the lesser pieces in your lineup just being solid back of the, lineup you, know eight to nine hitter types that are better than most. Others Like i'm going to take A Jp crawford bat Over Andre semenez's bat in the nine, hole, Right, LIKE i just think those are the things that really make this this lineup tough as they can beat you with the stars in the, middle especially with the Way julio's, playing but there's a lot of different hitters that you're still gonna, TRUST i think in a big.
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Speaker 4: Spot so pivoting to The toronto side like what gets it close to a wash With seattle Because seattle probably has the deeper Lineup and it feels weird to, say but the hottest bat going right, now maybe the best bat going in the, postseason is Of Vladimir Guerrero, Junior AND i know that he struggled On sunday In game one of The, alcs but he's still lined out at. ONE o seven is straight away. Central laddie had three homers in that four GAME ds win over The. Yankees Vladimir Guerrero junior creates this top heavy nature to The Blue, jays but they also have some other great pieces in. There George Springer homeward on the first pitch that he saw in THE. Cs Alejandro kirk has been a reliable piece over the course of this. Year there's a glaring omission in. Bishet would you Say toronto's lineup is a bit more top, heavy like more talent at the, top but thinner Than.
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Speaker 5: Seattle's so it's funny like, Yes but Then i'd also hedge that with no because of the so yes in. Theory BUT i think that's where it becomes interesting and How schneider can hedge that with the fact that they have such a unique, bench AND i think they have the deepest bench of players that you actually are comfortable, deploying WHEREAS.
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Speaker 3: I think some of The mariners players in the, bench like.
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Speaker 5: You're not you're probably not even really putting those guys, in like the guys that are in your, Lineup like those are the guys that are, in whether it's a righty, lefty like you're rolling with that matchup whereas The Nathan lucas To David schneider, platoon like you, know it maybe doesn't get as much love as possible or as it, should but you, know you pinch Hit David schneider in.
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Speaker 3: The right, spot and that's a really exciting.
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Speaker 5: BAT i think you Put Ernie clement in certain, situations you feel good about. That SO i think the way that they can deploy the bench can help add some length to that, lineup, because, yeah maybe in certain players that you wouldn't want in all the left on left or a certain, matchup but in that, spot that's great spot to Put David, snider Maybe Miles. Straw you even feel good about his at. Bats and then the other thing is just the way that they never. PUNCH i, mean it was interesting to see how they struggled In game, one right where The Blue jays only allowed or only score one.
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Speaker 3: Run then we struck out four.
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Speaker 5: Times how often you see a team in today's game only score one run is strikeout four. TIMES i think that's something that ultimately will work back into their. Favor it's not like The mariners are the best defensive team in the world. Either the fact that they can put the ball in. Play so even your bottom of the order, guys they're not getting their doors blowing. Off they're maybe just rolling over or they're popping out or. Whatever BUT i think that can at least help you a little bit when you're putting some pressure on the.
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Speaker 4: Defense and it's not Like seattle has any supreme strikeout, artists especially in their. Rotation like wo is their strikeout, guy But kirby's going to pitch to. Contact Bryce miller is a guy that can rack up some, STRIKEOUTS i, guess but he didn't really do it In game. One gilbert is the only Guy gylbert kind of scares you in terms, of, like oh he can k ten in this. Start but you know, what we'll see How gilbert's postseason. Unfolds we'll talk about the rotations in the next, segment pivoting to The National league. Side The dodger. Lineup it's, Potent it's littered with star. Power Now, otani relatively, speaking struggled a little bit in THE ds Against. Philly Freddy freeman was not this overwhelming fingerprints on every single game type. Presence Smokey BET's more the. Same Taoscar hernandez was the guy and the complimentary pieces were good for. Them Alex call was pesky against The phillies in THE. Ds what do you make of This dodger.
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Speaker 5: LINEUP i like the fact that they're Utilizing Alex call a little bit, now AND i those are the guys THAT i think you need to be a little bit more comfortable to playing because The dodgers, lineup it's. Great of course you have the star power at the, top but you, know there's a reason why you didn't See confordo make the. ROSTER i think there's a reason why they're prioritizing maybe the way that they can get a little bit more out of the bottom of the. Order the scary, part and we're talking about the pitching, side is like that they don't really need to hit too, much so you just want guys maybe towards the, bottom you, know putting together quality at. Bats but WHAT i feel like with The dodgers on up is it can't be worse than it was last round where they had like a five something ops against The phillies and still won. Comfortably and you know that The otani's and The freeman's and the Will smith's as he gets more, healthy are gonna swing it, better And Key hernandez is still doing his thing as a playoff. Performer and SO i just look at the lineup And i'm, like even with some of the no, Shows pahes has been, frustrating whatever it may, BE i just still think that there's enough on the bottom to supplement the. Top and the top didn't even do their job in the last round and they were, fine and you know that the top of the lineup is going to do its, job if not in this, round in The World series if they get.
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Speaker 4: There it's a, cliche but one through nine it feels like can burn. You and there's a Reason Tommy edmund WON NLCS mvp last. Year like there's a world Where i'm not Saying alex call Or Justin dean is gonna win THE NLCS, Mvp but, like why Can't Tay, Oscar why Can't Max, Muntsey and then we're not even talking About, Otani betts And. Freeman we got about a minute. HERE i want you to highlight your favorite and least favorite parts of The Milwaukee brewers.
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Speaker 2: Lineup.
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Speaker 5: OOH i mean it's funny BECAUSE i love what they do on the defensive side of, things AND i just love the fact that so many different players can give you a quality at, bat you, Know and that's WHY i look at the bottom of this order and Like Jake bowers had a big swing the other, day But Caleb durbin gives you good.
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Speaker 3: Abs and has been playing great. DEFENSE i think it's just a well.
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Speaker 5: Roundedness BUT i think what's really got me going and buying into This brewers lineup is that we've Seen William contreras now as send to like that star that he has been in the, past and Then yelich really kind of settling into the moment as, well and Then chorio being. Him SO i think the stars really rising to the occasion is huge because you knew the complimentary pieces were going to.
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Speaker 3: Compliment That's brewers.
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Speaker 2: Baseball, yeah one hundred.
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Speaker 4: Percent now if you had NEW, id we've got about thirty seconds.
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Speaker 2: Here one thing that is a glaring weakness in The burwer. Lineup what is? It is it their Shortstop Enjoey ortiz.
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Speaker 3: Might be the. Shortstop you.
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Speaker 5: KNOW i may have, said, like you, know who's going to hit the home run in the big spot outside of you, know the usual, Suspects but now you're Seeing vaughn with the big, swings and you're seeing Again bowers are the big.
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Speaker 3: Swing BUT i would say.
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Speaker 5: Just being able to leave the yard like at any given. TIME i, think if it's not a couple, guys you wonder. That but Then terrang's a power hit or.
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Speaker 3: Now SO i don't. KNOW i don't know IF i have a good. Answer.
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Speaker 4: Yep we'll talk pitching in a moment on The Just Baseball. Show all, Right Just Baseball. Show we highlighted the. Lineups NOW i want to talk rotations and we'll snake it. Back so we stopped with The brewer, lineup AND i want to pick up with The brewer. Rotation it's not really a rotation right. Now It's Freddy peralta and. Friends Aaron ashby is the opener In game one of THE. NLCS i don't really.
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Speaker 2: Love How milwaukee is putting the rotation.
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Speaker 4: Together now the bullpen is a different, conversation and we'll hit on the bullpen quickly in the next.
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Speaker 2: Segment BUT i, mean This brewer rotation scares me a little.
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Speaker 4: Bit And Quinn priester is going to look for a bounce back start in THE cs after he was roughed up a bit in THE ds and he didn't even last more than an. Inning Freddy parolton needs to have a humongous start In game two. Two but what jumps out to me here is, like all of a, sudden the pitching depth has gone by the wayside For, milwaukee and that's something that they were doing so well during the regular.
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Speaker 5: Season it's like to the, wayside but like still accessible. Though is kind of my devil's advocate. There we're, like it's not the traditional structure of, okay starters.
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Speaker 3: Here relievers, here but the way that they have.
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Speaker 5: It set up here really depending on how things are going and the workflow of how much guys have thrown in certain, spots and you, know just manager deciding to deploy guys in certain. Spots you can still get starter innings out of, anybody, RIGHT i, mean like it's it's shortly starter or longer longerle reliever that's like a piggyback guy that you can deploy based on how the game flow goes and you have a couple innings there to kind of dictate. THAT i think that's where it's, Interesting and at the end of the, DAY i think it's it's still an advantage to them even though you don't have those queer cut, one two three starters that you have about four or five relievers quote, unquote or guys that are just just not going to be penciled into starters but are available that can go four innings whenever you. Need and that's kind of the leash that we have on a lot of these. Starters, Anyways it's what the leash would be on these starters if they.
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Speaker 3: Were pitching from the first inning.
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Speaker 5: Onward so why not push that back a little bit and let the game flow dictate how how long of a leash you're gonna have on a player instead, of, hey we're going right into, IT i don't know how long the leash is gonna, go And i'm gonna have to react in real time while you're on the mound because you, know if you're up big, early then maybe you don't deploy him is and you can save him for you, know another the next.
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Speaker 3: Game maybe that's where.
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Speaker 5: You go To kintana and give him a longer, Leash LIKE i think that's where it becomes maybe a way of when we look back on this, postseason thinking about how teams actually structure their pitching staffs for the.
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Speaker 4: Playoffs, sure, so let me ask you about the long or the leash length conversation as it pertains to THE La, dodgers because we're seeing The dodgers actually reverse courses they get To. October everybody else is cutting their starters a little but. Shorter The dodgers are, Saying, hey you know, What Blake, snow you're gonna give us six. Today, oh you might go into the seventh. Today, yamamoto, like we need seven from you so we can get to our abbreviated. BULLPEN i was looking at this in THE ds in The National League Division, series and keep in mind that was four games against The Philadelphia. Phillies they had four guys make more than one appearance out of the. Bullpen, right they had some one. Offs you, Know bonda threw an inning out of the. Bullpen Glass now appeared out of the bullpen before Starting game. Four four guys made multiple appearances out of the. Bullpen Emmit, shechan do you trust him with a one run? Lead do you trust him with the two run lead in THE? Cs probably?
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Speaker 5: Not.
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Speaker 4: Okay trinan who really struggled in his two. Appearances his two appearances spanned three. Outs he got three outs across two. Outings then you Had vesia And Sasaki and we're gonna talk about the bullpen again in a, minute but the, rotation like they're relying on these guys to give them six every single, night seven every single. Night and this is the only team that can probably get away with that because they have four races. Going, yeah they can Go snell game, One you'm A Moto game, two O Tani game, three last snow game. Four you can absolutely pencil slash pen all those guys in for six at.
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Speaker 3: Least, yeah it's.
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Speaker 5: Funny it's like a complete opposite, situation and you need to stretch everything you can out of those guys because it's the least we've trusted This dodgers' bullpen in a little.
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Speaker 3: Bit and this Is.
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Speaker 5: Saki wrinkles is absolutely, huge and we'll talk about. That but it's a complete opposite of The brewer situation where you don't really have the liberty of, saying, okay if things don't go well with our opener or our, starter we have PLAN A b OR c in the bullpen that we can use in one, inning three, innings two.
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Speaker 3: Innings it's not quite that.
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Speaker 5: Way at your best pictures are in your rotation by a, mile and it's the traditional, setup but not as much with a lot of the teams today that we look, at especially if you're you, know you're a mid market. Team but we, see like with The, dodgers a lot of expensive. Starters the bullpen hasn't come together the way that they wanted it, to and so now they really need to ride those. Starters AND i think you try to get as much out of each of these guys as you, can AND i think the leash is going to be really, long because even if it's a situation where you Think snell might give up the, run you, KNOW i even forget the numbers third time through the. Lineup with the Way Blake snell's throwing the ball right, NOW i feel better about.
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Speaker 3: Him even with m She hen shown some signs of.
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Speaker 5: LIFE I i'd rather smell third time through and just ride that. Stuff so AND i think that's going to be the case with Otaniam Amoto. Glass now as long as those guys are feeling, OKAY i think the real give and take here is going to be do you feel better about lineup third time? Through seeing one of your star, starters or going to the bullpen when you had, elite elite relievers left and, right the answer can still be. Reliever it's not as much the case, here AND i think those guys really need to deliver it to the seventh a lot of these, games.
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Speaker 4: The Blue jays have a probably the worst bullpen, remaining and again we're going to talk about that the, rotation AND i wonder what the level of reliance is on A gosman who only went seventy six pitches in game, one You savage who just allowed a three run homer To Julio rodriguez the first and A Shane bieber who Starts game. Three And bieber has looked really sharp on the heels Of Tommy john, surgery but he's still a couple of months removed from his return From Tommy john. Surgery so you have those big front three at the top of That Blue jay. ROTATION i like them a, lot but if you go back To seattle down two games to nothing like that's really dangerous and they need quality starts pretty much every single.
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Speaker 5: Night, yeah, yeah and there WAS i was surprised with how short the leash was With bieber last. Time, Out So i'm very interested to see how much longer it might be this time. Around BUT i Think gosman and, You, savage like you're trusting those guys right now and you're you're getting as many innings as you can out of. Them BUT i think what we're seeing, though is also that The jays are okay being a little bit quicker with the with the pole and they're willing to go to with this, bullpen AND i think some of its work welad management stuff like you're not gonna push You savage one hundred plus pitches in, general he's already thrown a ton this, year and they're careful with them to start the.
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Speaker 3: YEAR i don't think they ever envisioned.
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Speaker 5: Him pitching for the big league team this lad into the, season going into this, year even being as excited about him as they.
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Speaker 3: Were it's the first run. Pick BUT i do think that they're.
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Speaker 5: Willing to go down with The lowers and the Flu hardy's and The varlins and The rodriguez of the.
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Speaker 3: World AND i, MEAN i guess you got to approach it that.
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Speaker 5: Way and we were talking about it, before like these guys are all capable a lot of them have good. Stuff the bullpen in a macro statistically didn't perform that well over the course of the. Season but bullpens can get, hot just like a lineups. Can we talked about The rangers. BULLPEN a lot of those guys that got hot in That World series run didn't really do much.
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Speaker 3: Afterwards and maybe this bullpen can just get.
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Speaker 5: Hot and a couple of these arms do look like they're, pitching like they are feeling pretty.
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Speaker 4: Good right, now we've got about twenty seconds. Here we know so much about The mariner. Rotation we know that it's very. Good we know that they have four very serviceable. Arms Brian woo is, back he's on the. Roster you've got ten seconds. Here give me a good line for him in his start in THE. Alcs, ah, YEAH i think you need six out of. HIM i want six, innings.
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Speaker 2: Eight ks off the.
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Speaker 4: Injury all, right we're talking Pen in a moment on The Just Baseball, Show Arm layton just told us they need six innings From brian Wu seattle does in THE alcs off of, injury off of a peck, Issue so we'll see if that comes.
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Speaker 2: True but we do.
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Speaker 4: Want to talk bullpens real. Quick here in segment, Three jack mcball and Arm layton, again and we'll start With seattle because even If wu doesn't go, six if he can go, five if he can go, four they can mix and match their way.
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Speaker 2: Through with their big four in the.
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Speaker 4: Bullpen Andres munio is one of the best closers in, Baseball Matt brash one of the nastiest in, Baseball Gabe spier left on left is a, nightmare And Edward bizardo is very very. Good and we learned that In game five of The. Alds if you are just getting your first look At Edward, BIZARDO i said this on our show On Sunday. Night this bullpen trio Of, Spire, Brash munos and Then bizarto is kind of the fourth feels very night. Shifty the twenty twenty One Atlanta braves where you had Aj, Minner Luke matts Or Luca, Jackson Tyler matzik And Will smith like they just got The braves through that twenty one. Postseason it's not the high octane level that the twenty Fifteen royals, were but it feels like that twenty One braves where it's, like, okay you know what game is, over especially when you get to Brashton Muno's.
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Speaker 5: Yeah i'd walk it, back like Maybe i'll say they need five.
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Speaker 3: Plus BUT i think the.
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Speaker 5: Big reason Why i'm saying that too IS i Think spire is just just running out of gas a little bit.
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Speaker 3: HERE i do wonder if it's just catching up to him.
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Speaker 5: Some AND i know he pitched a clean inning on on the, twelve but three consecutive outings is recording this with without a K the stuff just didn't look as. Sharp and If spy slowing down a little, bit, now, okay It's. Bizarto Brash munos like those guys a. LOT i think the bullpen's in a pretty decent. Spot but if you want to mix a match from the fifth ending onward or or you, know early sixth inning, onward, Uh i'm just, Interested.
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Speaker 3: Like Is spire going to continue to be that guy for?
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Speaker 5: You If spire isn't throwing extremely, well Like ferguson's your only other guy to.
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Speaker 3: Go get, LEFTIES i don't know how MUCH i trust. Him so this bullpen's. GREAT i think when you can go From brash To, munios it's.
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Speaker 5: Awesome And bizardo's had some good moments BUT i think he's also battled a bit at. Points i'm just interested in who that third guy is gonna. BE i felt really confident about it being spied earlier in the. Postseason the last few. OUTINGS i just wonder if he's running out of gas a, bit.
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Speaker 2: And If bizarto's that, guy that's?
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Speaker 4: Okay Uh, Toronto do you have confidence in anybody in that bullpen right?
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Speaker 5: NOW i mean, now Because i'm like Sputting harris with This mariner's, bullpen where With munios And, BRASH i feel really good if they can just get to, that you, know get through that seventh inning and even, then Like spire And bizardo have been effective The Blue jays in terms of, trust, no BUT i you, KNOW i still think they Can they can do. It HOFFMAN i thought looked really good last time. Out he's obviously the BIG x factor because he has not had a great year at. All but you, KNOW i do Trust varland AND i think he's been. EFFECTIVE i think what they've been getting out At lour has been absolutely impressive as well in different. ROLES i think he's been just a huge equalizer for them and kind of A breweries type of. Role SO i do really trust a hour and in the way that they've deployed. Him and AGAIN i Think varland has been really effective and in the way that they've used.
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Speaker 3: Him.
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Speaker 2: Gotcha, uh let's go to The La dodgers here real. Quick The.
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Speaker 4: Dodgers it's a different looking. Bullpen AND i mentioned the only guys to make multiple relief appearances for The dodgers across that four game series winning THE Ds, Emmittchian Alex, Vesia Roki, sasaki And i'm missing one more blake trying tryn and. Struggle it is a short but what we have learned is that they have spawned a closer and probably the best reliever left in this playoff except For Andres munos In Roki sasaki right. Now what is making him so unhittable at this very moment.
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Speaker 3: The, View, OH i, mean it's what we always talk.
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Speaker 5: About it's all about THE vlo With Roki sasaki because people might, say, oh, well ninety eight plays. Right ninety seven plays, yeah but not when it's, straight straight as an, arrow and it's it's two pitches, Right but when it's one hundred and the best pitch off of that is a splitter that is most effective by being set up by the. Fastball the fact that he can be up in velocity and be sitting closer than ninety nine one, hundred like at his best points In, japan he was always sitting north in ninety. Nine that that really does make all the, difference as crazy as it may sound to, people is when now hitters have to really respect that fastball and they're really sped up by, it that splitter is going to play a way.
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Speaker 3: Better BUT i think beyond, that it's also the command of.
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Speaker 5: It you'll get his last four, appearances he's done thirty one four, seemers and twenty eight of them have been. Strikes that's a ninety point three percent strike right on his four seam. Fastball that is not anywhere near where he was at the beginning of the. Year SO i think his shoulder's feeling. GOOD i think he's feeling loose and, healthy AND i think that's also helping him throw strikes and repeat his delivery and release point as.
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Speaker 2: Well love. It we got about a minute.
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Speaker 4: LEFT i want to talk About milwaukee here Because milwaukee has an all star closer And trevor. McGill that was an Opener Aaron ashby very. Good left on left, left he can get it up to ninety.
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Speaker 2: Nine miles an. Hour abner Your rebay.
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Speaker 4: Phenomenal and then you've got these long men Like misarowski can go. Long you just went four great innings In game five On saturday. Night you've Got Chad patrick as. Well is This brewer bullpen the best one?
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Speaker 5: LEFT i think because of the way that you can weaponize different guys in different. Ways, yes but ALSO i feel like they're giving something up in the rotation to strengthen the, bullpen so it's a little. Unfair but even without, THAT i, mean obviously comfortably better than The Blue, Jays AND i, think but when you compare it to maybe the deleverage arms of The manners, like it can even. Out but then and then you add that in with the, rotation you, Say, okay, well Maybe i'd prefer The mariners. Situation BUT i think with a good manager and the guy that has a great, feel this is actually an. Asset we talk about The tiger's bullpen chaos and things like. That this is like that, scenario but with way better bullets in the chamber and With patrick touching ninety eight in Shorter, spurts but a guy that you can also stretch out to multi. Innings having three four different lefties that you can go to out of that pen as, well the way that they can mix and match in different ways is just an absolute, EDGE i.
00:26:34
Speaker 3: Think especially when you trust your manager's decision making.
00:26:37
Speaker 4: That folks was your roster preview of THE. Cs we're going to get to The tigers in a, moment but quick, Break Just Baseball, Show jack McMullin Arm. Layton we just gave you the roster rundown of each of these four teams remaining in The Championship, series The, dodgers The, brewers The Blue.
00:26:55
Speaker 2: Jays and The Seattle.
00:26:56
Speaker 4: Mariners now we want to talk about a team that was bounced in the fifteenth inning On friday, night The Detroit. Tigers The Detroit tigers held their end of season media availability On, monday and we learned a couple of. Things Number, one we learned that the manager of The, Tigers Aj, hinch agreed to a multi year extension earlier in the, season so Aj hinch is here for the long. Run we also heard some really interesting things From Scott, harris who's the head baseball decision maker for The. TIGERS i don't know if he's THE gm or the president Of Baseball. Operations they kind of do the same darn. Thing But Scott harris talked about maybe the lack of big fish landing that they did at the trade, deadline and he made the point that he does not regret not landing that big fish at the trade. Deadline he is very comfortable holding on to the roster that was a game away and inning a swing away from The alcs while also maintaining one of the best farm systems In Major League baseball right. Now he alluded to the possibility of acquiring a rental for somebody who actually turned in a worse back two months than the player that would have been going back to that team from The Detroit, tigers and they were also asking for more prospect capital. THERE i want to start on The Scott harris side and then we'll get to Aj. Hinch this guy clearly has a vision and a five, year ten year plan for The Detroit, tigers AND i feel like he's almost stubborn in a good way that he will stick to that. Plan he's not going to push the chip forward if it's a Total gamble like he feels really good about the direction of The Detroit tigers right.
00:28:35
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, Yeah AND i appreciate him like being out front about it and answering.
00:28:41
Speaker 3: Candidly you. KNOW i think a lot of times you get just so much of THE gm. Speaking you.
00:28:45
Speaker 5: Know it was at LEAST i think made it easier to understand why they approach it that, way because you can also look at a lot of the deadline acquisitions that didn't didn't go, great AND i think it was the speculation was, like, oh maybe that Was Gino suarez and, oh, well who's the player that would have moved the other way that they said had a better second. Half i'm like, thinking, oh, well if it Was, gino they probably woul would have wanted a. Picture would that have been like melting going the other, way BECAUSE i imagine that would be one of the top names that The diamondbacks would have been asking, For like then it makes sense to hold.
00:29:13
Speaker 3: PAT i think WHERE i was surprised.
00:29:15
Speaker 5: THO i was, like, oh why not go get you, know another starting pitcher to bolster this. Thing but at the same time they would add to give up you, know some crazy prospect, capital which is a lot of the reason why we saw these controlla wile pictures not get moved so tough, spot you, know would have liked to see them be a little bit more aggressive on the bullpen or whatever it may.
00:29:30
Speaker 3: Be BUT i think it's very clear That.
00:29:32
Speaker 5: Scott harris has his eyes on building a long term contender here and a team that's going to continue to develop talent from within and and re replenish the big, leagues and they don't want to trade from that too. Much we saw, THAT i think with the way that they've been able to build this farm. System BUT i still think they're really fascinating because you can't just count on all of these guys to come up and make your team better at the big league, level and you just were a game, away you, know really as close as humanly possible again from or to get to The, alcs and you got to look and, say, well what's going to push us, over you, know to the next step? Here how we get you know a little bit closer to The World. Series AND i think it's got to be a tangible change at the big league, level especially when you look At schooble and, say, WELL i hope we can bring him. Back but if we, can't we don't have that much longer with, him you, know on a cheap. Deal that's WHERE i feel like you need to see a little bit more urgency from, them whether it's on the spending front or if it's making another trade this. Year BUT i can respect at least not forcing it if they didn't feel like there was something there at the.
00:30:32
Speaker 4: Deadline and, FRANKLY i could appreciate If Scott harris sees a clearer picture during the off season that at the trade, deadline the deadline is really, tough AND i feel like the deadline is for the teams that are ready to go all in and deplete their farm to a certain extent or take away some key pieces from that, farm where you can be much more measured during the off.
00:30:51
Speaker 2: Season and, frankly the pool is. Bigger like you.
00:30:55
Speaker 4: Can talk to contenders about, swapping you can talk to teams at the bottom of the league about.
00:31:00
Speaker 3: Swat cubs Got Kylie Tucker man like that sadline.
00:31:04
Speaker 4: Acquisition, YEAH i mean it's they would NECK i would literally never be available at the. Deadline you're plucking from the bottom six seven eight teams In Major League baseball at the trade deadline versus having conversations with twenty nine other franchises over the course of the. Offseason they also have the benefit of having an incredibly deep farm system in the, offseason WHICH i think.
00:31:27
Speaker 5: Is why we had some of the. Frustrations, AGAIN i still think they could have pushed on the bullpen a little bit, more but maybe they knew what they had With, melton and you, know with the offensive side of, things it was, tough like if it Wasn't, gino like who else could they have gone and? Targeted SO i get, it AND i think maybe you can make that similar conversation with The. Cubs but AGAIN i think with, them maybe pushing the chips a little bit more forward for pitching would have made more sense beyond this year as. Well, sure but, yeah we'll see if either of those teams try to address that this.
00:31:54
Speaker 3: Offseason i'm just really interested by the big league team right.
00:31:56
Speaker 5: Now you look at, it there's a lot of solid players, complimenting but, like you need to get.
00:32:03
Speaker 3: Better how do you get?
00:32:04
Speaker 5: BETTER i think the shortstop positions obviously where you, look but that's not a very easy position to address. Either so and you also have McGonagall coming, up does does he end up playing?
00:32:14
Speaker 3: Second you bring labor?
00:32:15
Speaker 5: Back, LIKE i think there's a lot of fascinating wrinkles within This tigers because you could also see this, team you could do, nothing and they actually are a step back next, year just naturally because you don't get quite the dominance From, schooble let's, say or maybe you, know you Lose flerity Or flerty doesn't throw as well even though he wasn't, great you Lose. GLABER i just mckintree isn't an all, Star, Like i'm interested to see how they can ensure that they can get back to where they were.
00:32:44
Speaker 3: And then at least you know there and then maybe push beyond.
00:32:47
Speaker 4: That SO i will Say priority one for me would be making sure That Glaber torres remained at A tiger. Uniform AND i know that you know McGonagall is probably the second basement of the, future but he's playing shortstop all the time in the, Minor, like why not just try? It and if you have an average shortstop defender with a great bat in, McGonagall as soon as he comes, UP i think you stomach that as opposed to what going to.
00:33:08
Speaker 3: Pay, baschette who can't defend, anyway right.
00:33:10
Speaker 4: Exactly so it's, Like, okay have McGonagall play short and maybe in five six years you move them back over to second, base or maybe in three four years you move them over to second.
00:33:19
Speaker 2: Base BUT i think Labor.
00:33:20
Speaker 4: Torres remaining In detroit is priority. One priority two is going to get another starting pitcher on the heels Of Trek. School whether That's Dylan cease Or Zach gallon or from Ber valdez Or Michael. King there are guys out there For detroit to. Pursue and if you can create instead Of schooble followed By flarerity Maize, olsen you Have schooble And cease followed By flarity Miz. Olsen that's an entirely different level to The Detroit. Tigers they need a good starting pitcher and they need Labor torres to remain in that.
00:33:57
Speaker 2: Uniform we know.
00:33:58
Speaker 3: That Aj, yeah, NOW i was JUST i agree with. That and.
00:34:03
Speaker 5: That's one, where like, you you may underestimate the value of a glab or you lose them and then it's, like oh, man our offense is a little bit. Tough the other thing is like some of some of these positionless like are just not defensively oriented guys like A Colt, keith you, know and Then Jayce young And TRIPLE A Justin henry.
00:34:20
Speaker 3: Malloy so a lot of guys are stuck in.
00:34:22
Speaker 5: Limbo And jith obviously had a nice year AND i was really excited with what he, did but heard at the end of the. YEAR i think he still earned himself a, spot but the guys behind, him you got to figure out what you're gonna do. THERE i just feel like that's not good forty man usage there as. Well SO i just feel like they've got to make some sort of trades this offseason as, well just to supplement some of.
00:34:39
Speaker 3: This and, Yeah I'M i think they're gonna be. BUSY i really.
00:34:42
Speaker 4: Do and they've got guys that plenty of teams would be interested. In we know that Aj hinch is going to be the skipper for them moving forward. Again signed a multi year contract extension over the course of the twenty twenty five. Season it was at some point in the twenty five, season but it is for the foreseeable. Future Aj hinch is the guy In. DETROIT i have zero qualms with. This this guy has proven year over a year that he is one of the best managers In Major League, baseball maybe the best manager In Major League. Baseball, LIKE i have no opinion on, this it's just good for. Them they have their guy moving.
00:35:14
Speaker 3: Forward, well that's WHY i think it's.
00:35:16
Speaker 5: Exciting like they have the, core they have the, manager they have the best pitcher on the planet for my, money and they have a great farm. System so what are the little things you can do To, OKAY i think you're set up for long term success now the year set up to be a good team for a long.
00:35:31
Speaker 3: Time but, now how do you take the next step? Forward how do you get to The World?
00:35:35
Speaker 5: Series AND i think it's that one or two moves for that big league. TEAM i think it's breaking out the CHECKBOOK i really do for one of these starting pitchers and not being afraid to maybe.
00:35:47
Speaker 3: Overpay or with or.
00:35:48
Speaker 5: Whatever even in my AM i coming over FROM, mvb like that's a guy that's worth taking a shot. On BUT i Think cease is a perfect fit for them where big, ballpark maybe the home run ball doesn't burn him as, much and, yeah go spend that. Money you have a core and you have a lot of good. Prospects you want to have to spend a ton of money moving.
00:36:06
Speaker 4: Forward we've got about forty seconds. HERE i do want to throw you one or two more names here that could be interesting for. THEM i feel like they could use some more bullpen, help AND i know that bullpen chaos has been their. Thing but why Can't Devin williams rebound In detroit like that kind of. Guy that kind of acquisition makes a lot of sense to. Me why Can't Ryan helsley rebound In? Detroit the closer market is interesting for guys that would be signing one year. Deals that feels like a way that they could get. Involved but really curious to see how this shakes out In. Detroit but we heard Aj hinch is the man moving, forward And Scott harris had some good points as. Well we do know that one guy's not going back To San. Diego talk about that in a. Moment managerial. Carousel we've got Aj hinch staying. Put we've Got Rob thompson And philadelphia staying. Put we'll talk about that in the next segment to wrap up the. Show but we heard that That Mike shilt is retiring as the manager of The San Diego padres news was broken By Kevin ac The San Diego Union, tribune AND i want to read you this whole letter From Mike shilt and this was published By Kevin. Ac it is with a heavy but full heart That i'm announcing my retirement from managing The San Diego. Padres it's a decision THAT i thought about during the season and became at peace with over the last ten. Days he announced his retirement On october. THIRTEENTH i gave every fiber of my being to help Achieve Peter sidler's vision of bringing A World series championship To San. Diego fell short of the ultimate, goal But i'm proud of what the player's staff and organization were able to accomplish the last two. Seasons the grind of the baseball season has taken a severe toll on me, mentally, physically and emotionally. Well it has always been about serving. Others it's TIME i take care of myself an exit on my. Terms extremely appreciative to The, Padres Peter, sidler The seidler, Family Eric, GRUPNER Aj preller and staff for the trust and confidence to lead this. Team i'm CONFIDENT i left things in a better place and that he keeps on going.
00:38:00
Speaker 2: There thirty four years.
00:38:03
Speaker 4: Of coaching and managing For Mike shilt at the professional. Level spent the last two years as the skipper of The San Diego. Padres this guy was a very good manager In Saint. Louis he WAS i thought wrongly let. GO i thought there was zero point For Saint louis to move on For Mike shilt when they. Did Mike shilt was a heck of a manager In San. Diego good for him for just kind of realizing the priorities over his life right now and getting out right. Now he would have had a job moving. Forward there's no doubt in my mind about. THAT i really don't think this had anything to do with The padres falling short and losing in the wild card. ROUTE i think this is just baseball's hard one sixty two and being there for thirty spring training games is really, hard And Mike shilt was ready to move.
00:38:49
Speaker 5: On, yeah you, KNOW i don't think there's anything you could point to in particular that you, know he could have done substantially.
00:38:56
Speaker 3: Better maybe bunts a little bit more THAN i, Like but you, know.
00:38:59
Speaker 5: LIKE i think this really was just to he's had a really long professional, career and then this may have been the job that may have been best for him when he was really just trying to like get going in his professional like maybe in his managerial career even a few years.
00:39:14
Speaker 3: Ago like this is an exhausting, Gig.
00:39:17
Speaker 5: I'd imagine In San, diego where it's win now, Always AND i, don't, LIKE i won't pretend to know a j, preller BUT i think it's quite visible through the transactions that there's a level of. Urgency AND i think especially the last two, years where he, knows like you, know he's got to do. Something there's the financial urgency side of it as, well because of how much this team invests in, success but also then the trade capital urgency and how much they've always been in win now mode THAT i imagine has to seep down to the manager's, office to the clubhouse and. Beyond and if you're a guy that already is, like, Man i'm feeling the grind after all these, YEARS i can't imagine how exhausting That San diego gig must have been this year and just in the.
00:40:01
Speaker 3: Last couple of.
00:40:02
Speaker 5: Years that's that's AS i think stressful as an environment as there.
00:40:06
Speaker 3: Probably is in terms of we got to do it now and we haven't been.
00:40:09
Speaker 4: Able, to which is funny because it's probably the most stressful job In San, Diego. California that place is, paradise and you can make thrust out of. Paradise there's no doubt about. That it is a unique situation In Major League baseball because they're always hyper. Competitive they haven't reached the, mountaintop but they pursue that mountaintop every. Year and there's some roster, turnover, right there's some. CONTINUITY i, Mean manamachado has been. There we Know Fernando tatis has been there and will continue to be. There there are some pictures that have.
00:40:40
Speaker 3: Been gone anywhere anytime, soon, Right like.
00:40:43
Speaker 4: You know there are, guys there are building, blocks but when the complimentary pieces change all the time like, this that has to increase the stress level. There AND i just, wonder you, Know San, diego like what do they do moving? Forward do they want some and Like Bruce bochi to come in and this is like their humongous push towards A World. Series bruce wants a third or a you, know third different. Team he wants to got a third different team to A World series. Championship or do they go with somebody like A huntley who is A San diego guy who is interviewing for this managerial opening In San francisco right. Now do they go with someone, younger do they elevate somebody Like Ruben. DIEBLA i don't, know, Man it's it's interesting AND i have no idea the direction That San diego wants to.
00:41:31
Speaker 5: Go AND i think it'll be telling based on the higher And I'm i'm very interested because this this front, OFFICE i don't feel like is as much of the they all, are but as much as a hands, on like you, KNOW i want to control everything that's kind of planned out for the game as much LIKE i feel like they've gone with the more veteran managers for that, reason where it's, Like, okay we're gonna put the best team we can humanly pos possible put on the, field and it's it's in your hands.
00:41:59
Speaker 3: Now and so that's WHY i always feel like they skew towards the vet.
00:42:03
Speaker 5: Manager but maybe they switch it up now and maybe that was something that pushed sheildt out this. YEAR i always think about, that as you, know more tenured managers that are running out of gas a little.
00:42:13
Speaker 3: Bit in the evolving landscape of.
00:42:16
Speaker 5: The hierarchy and structure of these organizations is you have a lot more meetings and a lot more people.
00:42:22
Speaker 3: Suggesting how you should do your. Job and If i'm already getting burnt, OUT i, DON'T i. DON'T i don't know IF i could deal with.
00:42:28
Speaker 5: That AND i just wonder what this urgency In San, diego if maybe this is a front office that's looking to get a little bit more hands, ON.
00:42:35
Speaker 4: I would be, curious AND i would IF i were to, GUESS i would assume to a certain, degree, yes that would be the, case and we will see how that. Looks in terms of off season wish list For San, DIEGO i don't really know what it is because obviously they have a lot of guys hitting the open market right. Now they grabbed a rental And ryan, O'Hearn, Obviously Ramon loriano is still, There Mason miller is there to. STAY i just wonder how this team gets better given the financial constraints that they. Have San diego is a fascinating off season to. Me there are a couple of fascinating off seasons to Be detroit's one of. Them San diego is another one of. Them and we're gonna talk About philly in about ninety, seconds AND i mean The Philadelphia. Phillies they're a fascinating off season to be as. Well San, diego do you have like a priority one for?
00:43:20
Speaker 5: Them, honestly, no BECAUSE i don't really know what their approach is going to be into this offseason and is it going to continue to be pushed the chips forward or is the day of reckoning finally coming where it's like we got to clear some money and we got to figure this thing. Out and if that is the, case maybe that's why show. It it's, LIKE i don't know IF i can do, this like this might have been our best. Shot SO i don't, Know AND i think if that is the, case, though maybe a younger guy internal promotion something like that may end up making more sense because they've gone older, vet you, know the last couple of, times and not for any specific, reason but here we are talking about another manager.
00:43:57
Speaker 4: SEARCH i will say it feels impossible to hit the soft rebuild button with Many machado tatis merrill on this. TEAM i agree like they're going to keep going for. IT i feel like over the next two three, years and what does that level of going for it look. LIKE i have no, idea but curious to find.
00:44:16
Speaker 5: OUT i guess, yeah, YEAH i, MEAN i think there'll be some, reshuffling but still in the name of going for. It, obviously you don't make That Mason miller trade if you're not planning to go for it next year, too.
00:44:26
Speaker 4: Right one hundred. Percent so we will see what The San Diego padres want to. Do i'm really curious to see what The Philadelphia phillies want to. Do they Retain Rob. Thompson we're going to talk about that in depth in a. Moment as, always this is The Just Baseball. Show we gave you THE ALCS nlcs. Rundown we're going to wrap it up With Rob thompson In Philly's.
00:44:45
Speaker 2: Talk.
00:44:46
Speaker 4: Next you're listening to The Just Baseball show and watching it on Sportscrit Just Baseball show wrapping up, Here jack McFall and Arm late and we just talked ABOUT Aj hinch getting his, extension we talked About Mike shilt retire and NOW i want to talk About Rob, thompson who is being retained for twenty twenty six there was some conversation about The phillies and this possibly being their last dance in twenty twenty. Five they've got some guys that hit free. Agency Jatial, Muteso Kyle schwarber hits free. Agency Ranger suarez is a free agent as. Well they've got plenty of guys that are going to test the open. Market they have a lot of questions that need to be, answered and this really felt like it Was philadelphia's best opportunity to win The World. Series they fall in four in THE nlds to The, dodgers and all of a sudden there were questions About Rob thompson coming. Back AND i understand that this is a certain level of failure this year for The Philadelphia phillies because they won The National League, geese they were the second best team in The National, league and they Had World series aspirations and they fell short of. That BUT i found that whole conversation to be a little, weird and the fact that they retain him was, Like, okay good. MOVE i would extend a GUY i Like. THOMPSON i think you just want back to back And eli's. TITLES i have no idea why the questioning Around Rob thompson was, Negative, hey what do you think should The phillies bring him? Back To Bryce harper to Real, muto To schwarber to Stot like all these guys answered questions About Rob thompson right after they got bounced by The.
00:46:21
Speaker 2: DODGERS i just found that. Bizarre, yeah you, know and.
00:46:25
Speaker 3: Teams don't really like operating with the lame duck manager.
00:46:28
Speaker 5: ANYMORE i think one of the team THAT i can think of this doing it right now going into next year is The diamondbacks With Tory. Lavello and that makes more, sense right because you want to give them the benefit of the. Doubt, sure, yeah it was a lot of injuries stuff like, that but there's been some streakiness the last couple of years and they want to wait and we'll see what happens this.
00:46:46
Speaker 3: Year maybe even midseason they can extend. Him but with The phillies, situation.
00:46:52
Speaker 5: Like you, said they've won the division and they're consistently great in the regular, season AND i don't think you can look At Rob thompson and say there's something you could have done in this postseason to push this team.
00:47:02
Speaker 3: Across the finish.
00:47:03
Speaker 5: Line you could look at maybe The Nick cassianos the lack of communication between him And, Casianos but that seemed like an isolated, issue, Right like it didn't seem like something that affected his relationship With thompson's relationship with other. Players it didn't seem like it was something that Affected cassianto's relationship with his. Teammates like it was just one of those where you're not gonna see eye to eye with every single. Player and, YEAH i think a lot of people can understand Why cassianos was faced out of the situation a little. Bit, Anyways it's just a tough spot to. Be but other than, that get the whole, talk even since he took over his interim and got and eventually got the, gig is that he's been the right guy for this ball club and for this, group AND i don't really see that. Changing BUT i JUST i think it's weird when this team probably has and it's already gonna look. Different but, again another team that you're not gonna fully, rebuild like already has a couple more years of shelf life of really going for, It, like are you really gonna have a new manager with this group? Anyways AND i know you may lose a couple. Guys but we Imagine schwarbur is gonna come. Back but let's say it doesn't it even with The, Turner Harper nola just, grouping there we, are.
00:48:13
Speaker 3: You're gonna just drop in a totally new. Manager what's that gonna?
00:48:16
Speaker 5: FIX i JUST i think giving a little bit more consistency and, continuity especially as Maybe swarbur doesn't, sign maybe they Trade, BOEM i think it would be good to show, that, hey we Have rob for more than a, year and we don't Have rob managing for his job in twenty. SIX i JUST i don't. Know i'm not a huge fan of. That And Dave nembrowski is a great feel for these, things.
00:48:35
Speaker 3: So trusty'll figure it. Out BUT i don't. KNOW i just find it.
00:48:39
Speaker 4: Interesting this is the closest we could get to a contender tearing it down after winning the. Division and, AGAIN i understand that THE nlds did not go their way and this postseason as a whole did not go their, way and that can be a failure In philly's, land BUT i don't like. It feels it's weird to, Say, okay we're going to change the fabric of this. Organization and obviously they're not doing it on the managerial, side But i'm with, You, like it feels like you could have offered him a two year. Extension instead you're retaining him for twenty, six which feels, like, okay you got to prove it.
00:49:13
Speaker 2: Again.
00:49:14
Speaker 4: Uh The castianos thing just like tying a bow on, That like it's really hard to tell a twenty million dollar player and one hundred million dollar in total contract value player that is so well respected, player, yeah well respected, Player like it's really hard to tell, Him, hey you're not, performing so we're not going to play.
00:49:31
Speaker 2: You and that's.
00:49:32
Speaker 4: Delicate And, castianos deservedly so has an ego now that goes with being a twenty million dollar, player and that's a really hard pill to. Stomach SO i understand why there could be some confusion, there BUT i don't, Know, like there are questions Surrounding, bom there are questions surrounding plenty of people on that, roster but you do know that you have some pillars moving, Forward Christopher sanchez in the front of that, rotation we See nola And. Wheeler to your, Point harper And, turner there's enough to like, here and there's enough to keep pursuing it With. Philadelphia priority one is Retaining, schwarber, obviously BUT i don't. Know we've got about forty five seconds here and then we'll. Wrap how much change do you truly see happening In phillyland this?
00:50:13
Speaker 5: Offseason, well Now i'm thinking maybe a little bit more than we, expect BECAUSE i think there remember are going to go into this this.
00:50:20
Speaker 3: Year it's purely, speculative but.
00:50:23
Speaker 5: Kind of not knowing what's in store for twenty twenty seven and who. Does BUT i think teams like this usually you think maybe but if twenty twenty six doesn't go, well that maybe this is a team that starts to look a.
00:50:34
Speaker 3: Lot younger in twenty twenty seven and.
00:50:35
Speaker 5: Beyond and you don't want to have a multi year contract for a manager who probably won't want to be on hand for that whole new. Situation so that's the one Thing i'm thinking a little bit. Of BUT i THINK i might also be just just overthinking it.
00:50:47
Speaker 4: Too that's our. Program thank you guys so much for joining. Us we've talked to you next week on Sportscript
00:51:01
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Speaker 2: Gunner welcome Out.
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Speaker 4: Just Baseball show wherever you get your. Podcasts, also thanks for joining us On Sports. Grid jack McMullin Arm. Layton as, always we are presented to you by the fine folks at BET. Mgm we're going to take this opportunity to give you an overarching look at THE, cs The American League Championship, series which is already underway when we're recording The National League Championship. Series by the time you're watching this On Sports, grid game one will already be through and we'll See game two coming up later. Tonight we also want to talk about The Detroit tigers their. Direction they extended their MANAGER. A. J, hinch also submittagerial changes and. Retention Mike shilt retires as The padre, skipper And Rob thompson is retained By philadelphia for twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: Six it's fun to.
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Speaker 4: Talk about and we're going to go a little broad through the front half of this show as it pertains THE, cs because the game by game doesn't really make sense right now because you'll be hearing this at you, know three different. Times you, know we already have a game under our. Belt on THE al, side we're Watching game two happen right. Now we just hit the record button immediately following The Julio rodriguez three run. Homers so WHAT i really want to do is kind of walk through, lineup, rotation bullpen where the advantages lie over the course of THE.
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Speaker 2: Cs does that sound? Good?
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Speaker 3: Yeah i'm.
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Speaker 5: In and it's funny BECAUSE i think each team has kind of a totally different strength weakness. Combination that thing's gonna make it really.
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Speaker 2: Fun, YEAH i think so.
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Speaker 4: Too SO i want to start with the lineups and we'll go on The American league side first and then pivot to THE nl. Side we're watching The Blue jays and The Seattle mariners battle right, now.
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Speaker 2: And seattle they really got.
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Speaker 4: Here it seems like over the last half decade by pitching and over the last couple of, years we, say, oh they may have the best rotation In Major League. Baseball their bullpen is one of the best In Major League. Baseball can they get? Bats can they get? Bats the answer is a resounding yet this, year and we've seen it from guys Like Julio rodriguez stepping.
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Speaker 2: Up Colt.
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Speaker 4: Rale, oh by the, way hit sixty, Homers but it's the Acquisitions Jorge polanco they put faith in again going into twenty twenty. Five it paid off at the end of the, year and boys are paying off in the. Postseason Josh naylor has been great for. Them Gino suarez has not that they pushed The chips forward at the deadline to do. That where do you feel like the strengths and weaknesses lie Within seattle's?
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Speaker 2: Lineup, WELL i.
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Speaker 3: Think seattle is funny.
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Speaker 5: Enough it's like it's the one team WHERE i think you look across the board AND i don't think there's one specific area where you really, say, oh that might be their utmost. Strength but if, anything in the, past we've always said it with the, pitching as you alluded, To but if, anything this, year it feels like the offense in general is just the strength because of the length now that it has all of a sudden OR i think in previous, years even when they were swinging a little bit better through stretches and even maybe before the, deadline, like, okay top half of the lineup's, good but is it going to be able to hold up or to see this what we talk about with The, phillies like this stark drop off after the top five.
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Speaker 3: Hitters and even with a Struggling.
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Speaker 5: Geno the fact that you can deploy a guy like him sixth in the, lineup you, know a guy that can leave the yard in any given that bad and when he's, right you, know is one of the better power hitters in the, game at least he was this. Year like the fact that that's your six. Hitter the fact that the bottom of the order is a proven CONSISTENT Jp crawford And Victor roebush has turned himself into a decent. Piece LIKE i think it's the lineup length that they have now and then to be able to still have THAT mvp, candidate star power and cal you have that In, julio but to have the nailers of the world now as well as you alluded, to and then even like the lesser pieces in your lineup just being solid back of the, lineup you, know eight to nine hitter types that are better than most. Others Like i'm going to take A Jp crawford bat Over Andre semenez's bat in the nine, hole, Right, LIKE i just think those are the things that really make this this lineup tough as they can beat you with the stars in the, middle especially with the Way julio's, playing but there's a lot of different hitters that you're still gonna, TRUST i think in a big.
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Speaker 4: Spot so pivoting to The toronto side like what gets it close to a wash With seattle Because seattle probably has the deeper Lineup and it feels weird to, say but the hottest bat going right, now maybe the best bat going in the, postseason is Of Vladimir Guerrero, Junior AND i know that he struggled On sunday In game one of The, alcs but he's still lined out at. ONE o seven is straight away. Central laddie had three homers in that four GAME ds win over The. Yankees Vladimir Guerrero junior creates this top heavy nature to The Blue, jays but they also have some other great pieces in. There George Springer homeward on the first pitch that he saw in THE. Cs Alejandro kirk has been a reliable piece over the course of this. Year there's a glaring omission in. Bishet would you Say toronto's lineup is a bit more top, heavy like more talent at the, top but thinner Than.
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Speaker 5: Seattle's so it's funny like, Yes but Then i'd also hedge that with no because of the so yes in. Theory BUT i think that's where it becomes interesting and How schneider can hedge that with the fact that they have such a unique, bench AND i think they have the deepest bench of players that you actually are comfortable, deploying WHEREAS.
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Speaker 3: I think some of The mariners players in the, bench like.
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Speaker 5: You're not you're probably not even really putting those guys, in like the guys that are in your, Lineup like those are the guys that are, in whether it's a righty, lefty like you're rolling with that matchup whereas The Nathan lucas To David schneider, platoon like you, know it maybe doesn't get as much love as possible or as it, should but you, know you pinch Hit David schneider in.
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Speaker 3: The right, spot and that's a really exciting.
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Speaker 5: BAT i think you Put Ernie clement in certain, situations you feel good about. That SO i think the way that they can deploy the bench can help add some length to that, lineup, because, yeah maybe in certain players that you wouldn't want in all the left on left or a certain, matchup but in that, spot that's great spot to Put David, snider Maybe Miles. Straw you even feel good about his at. Bats and then the other thing is just the way that they never. PUNCH i, mean it was interesting to see how they struggled In game, one right where The Blue jays only allowed or only score one.
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Speaker 3: Run then we struck out four.
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Speaker 5: Times how often you see a team in today's game only score one run is strikeout four. TIMES i think that's something that ultimately will work back into their. Favor it's not like The mariners are the best defensive team in the world. Either the fact that they can put the ball in. Play so even your bottom of the order, guys they're not getting their doors blowing. Off they're maybe just rolling over or they're popping out or. Whatever BUT i think that can at least help you a little bit when you're putting some pressure on the.
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Speaker 4: Defense and it's not Like seattle has any supreme strikeout, artists especially in their. Rotation like wo is their strikeout, guy But kirby's going to pitch to. Contact Bryce miller is a guy that can rack up some, STRIKEOUTS i, guess but he didn't really do it In game. One gilbert is the only Guy gylbert kind of scares you in terms, of, like oh he can k ten in this. Start but you know, what we'll see How gilbert's postseason. Unfolds we'll talk about the rotations in the next, segment pivoting to The National league. Side The dodger. Lineup it's, Potent it's littered with star. Power Now, otani relatively, speaking struggled a little bit in THE ds Against. Philly Freddy freeman was not this overwhelming fingerprints on every single game type. Presence Smokey BET's more the. Same Taoscar hernandez was the guy and the complimentary pieces were good for. Them Alex call was pesky against The phillies in THE. Ds what do you make of This dodger.
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Speaker 5: LINEUP i like the fact that they're Utilizing Alex call a little bit, now AND i those are the guys THAT i think you need to be a little bit more comfortable to playing because The dodgers, lineup it's. Great of course you have the star power at the, top but you, know there's a reason why you didn't See confordo make the. ROSTER i think there's a reason why they're prioritizing maybe the way that they can get a little bit more out of the bottom of the. Order the scary, part and we're talking about the pitching, side is like that they don't really need to hit too, much so you just want guys maybe towards the, bottom you, know putting together quality at. Bats but WHAT i feel like with The dodgers on up is it can't be worse than it was last round where they had like a five something ops against The phillies and still won. Comfortably and you know that The otani's and The freeman's and the Will smith's as he gets more, healthy are gonna swing it, better And Key hernandez is still doing his thing as a playoff. Performer and SO i just look at the lineup And i'm, like even with some of the no, Shows pahes has been, frustrating whatever it may, BE i just still think that there's enough on the bottom to supplement the. Top and the top didn't even do their job in the last round and they were, fine and you know that the top of the lineup is going to do its, job if not in this, round in The World series if they get.
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Speaker 4: There it's a, cliche but one through nine it feels like can burn. You and there's a Reason Tommy edmund WON NLCS mvp last. Year like there's a world Where i'm not Saying alex call Or Justin dean is gonna win THE NLCS, Mvp but, like why Can't Tay, Oscar why Can't Max, Muntsey and then we're not even talking About, Otani betts And. Freeman we got about a minute. HERE i want you to highlight your favorite and least favorite parts of The Milwaukee brewers.
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Speaker 2: Lineup.
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Speaker 5: OOH i mean it's funny BECAUSE i love what they do on the defensive side of, things AND i just love the fact that so many different players can give you a quality at, bat you, Know and that's WHY i look at the bottom of this order and Like Jake bowers had a big swing the other, day But Caleb durbin gives you good.
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Speaker 3: Abs and has been playing great. DEFENSE i think it's just a well.
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Speaker 5: Roundedness BUT i think what's really got me going and buying into This brewers lineup is that we've Seen William contreras now as send to like that star that he has been in the, past and Then yelich really kind of settling into the moment as, well and Then chorio being. Him SO i think the stars really rising to the occasion is huge because you knew the complimentary pieces were going to.
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Speaker 3: Compliment That's brewers.
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Speaker 2: Baseball, yeah one hundred.
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Speaker 4: Percent now if you had NEW, id we've got about thirty seconds.
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Speaker 2: Here one thing that is a glaring weakness in The burwer. Lineup what is? It is it their Shortstop Enjoey ortiz.
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Speaker 3: Might be the. Shortstop you.
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Speaker 5: KNOW i may have, said, like you, know who's going to hit the home run in the big spot outside of you, know the usual, Suspects but now you're Seeing vaughn with the big, swings and you're seeing Again bowers are the big.
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Speaker 3: Swing BUT i would say.
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Speaker 5: Just being able to leave the yard like at any given. TIME i, think if it's not a couple, guys you wonder. That but Then terrang's a power hit or.
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Speaker 3: Now SO i don't. KNOW i don't know IF i have a good. Answer.
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Speaker 4: Yep we'll talk pitching in a moment on The Just Baseball. Show all, Right Just Baseball. Show we highlighted the. Lineups NOW i want to talk rotations and we'll snake it. Back so we stopped with The brewer, lineup AND i want to pick up with The brewer. Rotation it's not really a rotation right. Now It's Freddy peralta and. Friends Aaron ashby is the opener In game one of THE. NLCS i don't really.
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Speaker 2: Love How milwaukee is putting the rotation.
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Speaker 4: Together now the bullpen is a different, conversation and we'll hit on the bullpen quickly in the next.
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Speaker 2: Segment BUT i, mean This brewer rotation scares me a little.
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Speaker 4: Bit And Quinn priester is going to look for a bounce back start in THE cs after he was roughed up a bit in THE ds and he didn't even last more than an. Inning Freddy parolton needs to have a humongous start In game two. Two but what jumps out to me here is, like all of a, sudden the pitching depth has gone by the wayside For, milwaukee and that's something that they were doing so well during the regular.
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Speaker 5: Season it's like to the, wayside but like still accessible. Though is kind of my devil's advocate. There we're, like it's not the traditional structure of, okay starters.
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Speaker 3: Here relievers, here but the way that they have.
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Speaker 5: It set up here really depending on how things are going and the workflow of how much guys have thrown in certain, spots and you, know just manager deciding to deploy guys in certain. Spots you can still get starter innings out of, anybody, RIGHT i, mean like it's it's shortly starter or longer longerle reliever that's like a piggyback guy that you can deploy based on how the game flow goes and you have a couple innings there to kind of dictate. THAT i think that's where it's, Interesting and at the end of the, DAY i think it's it's still an advantage to them even though you don't have those queer cut, one two three starters that you have about four or five relievers quote, unquote or guys that are just just not going to be penciled into starters but are available that can go four innings whenever you. Need and that's kind of the leash that we have on a lot of these. Starters, Anyways it's what the leash would be on these starters if they.
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Speaker 3: Were pitching from the first inning.
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Speaker 5: Onward so why not push that back a little bit and let the game flow dictate how how long of a leash you're gonna have on a player instead, of, hey we're going right into, IT i don't know how long the leash is gonna, go And i'm gonna have to react in real time while you're on the mound because you, know if you're up big, early then maybe you don't deploy him is and you can save him for you, know another the next.
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Speaker 3: Game maybe that's where.
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Speaker 5: You go To kintana and give him a longer, Leash LIKE i think that's where it becomes maybe a way of when we look back on this, postseason thinking about how teams actually structure their pitching staffs for the.
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Speaker 4: Playoffs, sure, so let me ask you about the long or the leash length conversation as it pertains to THE La, dodgers because we're seeing The dodgers actually reverse courses they get To. October everybody else is cutting their starters a little but. Shorter The dodgers are, Saying, hey you know, What Blake, snow you're gonna give us six. Today, oh you might go into the seventh. Today, yamamoto, like we need seven from you so we can get to our abbreviated. BULLPEN i was looking at this in THE ds in The National League Division, series and keep in mind that was four games against The Philadelphia. Phillies they had four guys make more than one appearance out of the. Bullpen, right they had some one. Offs you, Know bonda threw an inning out of the. Bullpen Glass now appeared out of the bullpen before Starting game. Four four guys made multiple appearances out of the. Bullpen Emmit, shechan do you trust him with a one run? Lead do you trust him with the two run lead in THE? Cs probably?
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Speaker 5: Not.
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Speaker 4: Okay trinan who really struggled in his two. Appearances his two appearances spanned three. Outs he got three outs across two. Outings then you Had vesia And Sasaki and we're gonna talk about the bullpen again in a, minute but the, rotation like they're relying on these guys to give them six every single, night seven every single. Night and this is the only team that can probably get away with that because they have four races. Going, yeah they can Go snell game, One you'm A Moto game, two O Tani game, three last snow game. Four you can absolutely pencil slash pen all those guys in for six at.
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Speaker 3: Least, yeah it's.
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Speaker 5: Funny it's like a complete opposite, situation and you need to stretch everything you can out of those guys because it's the least we've trusted This dodgers' bullpen in a little.
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Speaker 3: Bit and this Is.
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Speaker 5: Saki wrinkles is absolutely, huge and we'll talk about. That but it's a complete opposite of The brewer situation where you don't really have the liberty of, saying, okay if things don't go well with our opener or our, starter we have PLAN A b OR c in the bullpen that we can use in one, inning three, innings two.
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Speaker 3: Innings it's not quite that.
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Speaker 5: Way at your best pictures are in your rotation by a, mile and it's the traditional, setup but not as much with a lot of the teams today that we look, at especially if you're you, know you're a mid market. Team but we, see like with The, dodgers a lot of expensive. Starters the bullpen hasn't come together the way that they wanted it, to and so now they really need to ride those. Starters AND i think you try to get as much out of each of these guys as you, can AND i think the leash is going to be really, long because even if it's a situation where you Think snell might give up the, run you, KNOW i even forget the numbers third time through the. Lineup with the Way Blake snell's throwing the ball right, NOW i feel better about.
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Speaker 3: Him even with m She hen shown some signs of.
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Speaker 5: LIFE I i'd rather smell third time through and just ride that. Stuff so AND i think that's going to be the case with Otaniam Amoto. Glass now as long as those guys are feeling, OKAY i think the real give and take here is going to be do you feel better about lineup third time? Through seeing one of your star, starters or going to the bullpen when you had, elite elite relievers left and, right the answer can still be. Reliever it's not as much the case, here AND i think those guys really need to deliver it to the seventh a lot of these, games.
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Speaker 4: The Blue jays have a probably the worst bullpen, remaining and again we're going to talk about that the, rotation AND i wonder what the level of reliance is on A gosman who only went seventy six pitches in game, one You savage who just allowed a three run homer To Julio rodriguez the first and A Shane bieber who Starts game. Three And bieber has looked really sharp on the heels Of Tommy john, surgery but he's still a couple of months removed from his return From Tommy john. Surgery so you have those big front three at the top of That Blue jay. ROTATION i like them a, lot but if you go back To seattle down two games to nothing like that's really dangerous and they need quality starts pretty much every single.
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Speaker 5: Night, yeah, yeah and there WAS i was surprised with how short the leash was With bieber last. Time, Out So i'm very interested to see how much longer it might be this time. Around BUT i Think gosman and, You, savage like you're trusting those guys right now and you're you're getting as many innings as you can out of. Them BUT i think what we're seeing, though is also that The jays are okay being a little bit quicker with the with the pole and they're willing to go to with this, bullpen AND i think some of its work welad management stuff like you're not gonna push You savage one hundred plus pitches in, general he's already thrown a ton this, year and they're careful with them to start the.
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Speaker 3: YEAR i don't think they ever envisioned.
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Speaker 5: Him pitching for the big league team this lad into the, season going into this, year even being as excited about him as they.
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Speaker 3: Were it's the first run. Pick BUT i do think that they're.
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Speaker 5: Willing to go down with The lowers and the Flu hardy's and The varlins and The rodriguez of the.
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Speaker 3: World AND i, MEAN i guess you got to approach it that.
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Speaker 5: Way and we were talking about it, before like these guys are all capable a lot of them have good. Stuff the bullpen in a macro statistically didn't perform that well over the course of the. Season but bullpens can get, hot just like a lineups. Can we talked about The rangers. BULLPEN a lot of those guys that got hot in That World series run didn't really do much.
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Speaker 3: Afterwards and maybe this bullpen can just get.
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Speaker 5: Hot and a couple of these arms do look like they're, pitching like they are feeling pretty.
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Speaker 4: Good right, now we've got about twenty seconds. Here we know so much about The mariner. Rotation we know that it's very. Good we know that they have four very serviceable. Arms Brian woo is, back he's on the. Roster you've got ten seconds. Here give me a good line for him in his start in THE. Alcs, ah, YEAH i think you need six out of. HIM i want six, innings.
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Speaker 2: Eight ks off the.
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Speaker 4: Injury all, right we're talking Pen in a moment on The Just Baseball, Show Arm layton just told us they need six innings From brian Wu seattle does in THE alcs off of, injury off of a peck, Issue so we'll see if that comes.
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Speaker 2: True but we do.
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Speaker 4: Want to talk bullpens real. Quick here in segment, Three jack mcball and Arm layton, again and we'll start With seattle because even If wu doesn't go, six if he can go, five if he can go, four they can mix and match their way.
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Speaker 2: Through with their big four in the.
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Speaker 4: Bullpen Andres munio is one of the best closers in, Baseball Matt brash one of the nastiest in, Baseball Gabe spier left on left is a, nightmare And Edward bizardo is very very. Good and we learned that In game five of The. Alds if you are just getting your first look At Edward, BIZARDO i said this on our show On Sunday. Night this bullpen trio Of, Spire, Brash munos and Then bizarto is kind of the fourth feels very night. Shifty the twenty twenty One Atlanta braves where you had Aj, Minner Luke matts Or Luca, Jackson Tyler matzik And Will smith like they just got The braves through that twenty one. Postseason it's not the high octane level that the twenty Fifteen royals, were but it feels like that twenty One braves where it's, like, okay you know what game is, over especially when you get to Brashton Muno's.
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Speaker 5: Yeah i'd walk it, back like Maybe i'll say they need five.
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Speaker 3: Plus BUT i think the.
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Speaker 5: Big reason Why i'm saying that too IS i Think spire is just just running out of gas a little bit.
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Speaker 3: HERE i do wonder if it's just catching up to him.
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Speaker 5: Some AND i know he pitched a clean inning on on the, twelve but three consecutive outings is recording this with without a K the stuff just didn't look as. Sharp and If spy slowing down a little, bit, now, okay It's. Bizarto Brash munos like those guys a. LOT i think the bullpen's in a pretty decent. Spot but if you want to mix a match from the fifth ending onward or or you, know early sixth inning, onward, Uh i'm just, Interested.
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Speaker 3: Like Is spire going to continue to be that guy for?
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Speaker 5: You If spire isn't throwing extremely, well Like ferguson's your only other guy to.
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Speaker 3: Go get, LEFTIES i don't know how MUCH i trust. Him so this bullpen's. GREAT i think when you can go From brash To, munios it's.
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Speaker 5: Awesome And bizardo's had some good moments BUT i think he's also battled a bit at. Points i'm just interested in who that third guy is gonna. BE i felt really confident about it being spied earlier in the. Postseason the last few. OUTINGS i just wonder if he's running out of gas a, bit.
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Speaker 2: And If bizarto's that, guy that's?
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Speaker 4: Okay Uh, Toronto do you have confidence in anybody in that bullpen right?
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Speaker 5: NOW i mean, now Because i'm like Sputting harris with This mariner's, bullpen where With munios And, BRASH i feel really good if they can just get to, that you, know get through that seventh inning and even, then Like spire And bizardo have been effective The Blue jays in terms of, trust, no BUT i you, KNOW i still think they Can they can do. It HOFFMAN i thought looked really good last time. Out he's obviously the BIG x factor because he has not had a great year at. All but you, KNOW i do Trust varland AND i think he's been. EFFECTIVE i think what they've been getting out At lour has been absolutely impressive as well in different. ROLES i think he's been just a huge equalizer for them and kind of A breweries type of. Role SO i do really trust a hour and in the way that they've deployed. Him and AGAIN i Think varland has been really effective and in the way that they've used.
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Speaker 3: Him.
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Speaker 2: Gotcha, uh let's go to The La dodgers here real. Quick The.
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Speaker 4: Dodgers it's a different looking. Bullpen AND i mentioned the only guys to make multiple relief appearances for The dodgers across that four game series winning THE Ds, Emmittchian Alex, Vesia Roki, sasaki And i'm missing one more blake trying tryn and. Struggle it is a short but what we have learned is that they have spawned a closer and probably the best reliever left in this playoff except For Andres munos In Roki sasaki right. Now what is making him so unhittable at this very moment.
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Speaker 3: The, View, OH i, mean it's what we always talk.
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Speaker 5: About it's all about THE vlo With Roki sasaki because people might, say, oh, well ninety eight plays. Right ninety seven plays, yeah but not when it's, straight straight as an, arrow and it's it's two pitches, Right but when it's one hundred and the best pitch off of that is a splitter that is most effective by being set up by the. Fastball the fact that he can be up in velocity and be sitting closer than ninety nine one, hundred like at his best points In, japan he was always sitting north in ninety. Nine that that really does make all the, difference as crazy as it may sound to, people is when now hitters have to really respect that fastball and they're really sped up by, it that splitter is going to play a way.
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Speaker 3: Better BUT i think beyond, that it's also the command of.
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Speaker 5: It you'll get his last four, appearances he's done thirty one four, seemers and twenty eight of them have been. Strikes that's a ninety point three percent strike right on his four seam. Fastball that is not anywhere near where he was at the beginning of the. Year SO i think his shoulder's feeling. GOOD i think he's feeling loose and, healthy AND i think that's also helping him throw strikes and repeat his delivery and release point as.
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Speaker 2: Well love. It we got about a minute.
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Speaker 4: LEFT i want to talk About milwaukee here Because milwaukee has an all star closer And trevor. McGill that was an Opener Aaron ashby very. Good left on left, left he can get it up to ninety.
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Speaker 2: Nine miles an. Hour abner Your rebay.
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Speaker 4: Phenomenal and then you've got these long men Like misarowski can go. Long you just went four great innings In game five On saturday. Night you've Got Chad patrick as. Well is This brewer bullpen the best one?
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Speaker 5: LEFT i think because of the way that you can weaponize different guys in different. Ways, yes but ALSO i feel like they're giving something up in the rotation to strengthen the, bullpen so it's a little. Unfair but even without, THAT i, mean obviously comfortably better than The Blue, Jays AND i, think but when you compare it to maybe the deleverage arms of The manners, like it can even. Out but then and then you add that in with the, rotation you, Say, okay, well Maybe i'd prefer The mariners. Situation BUT i think with a good manager and the guy that has a great, feel this is actually an. Asset we talk about The tiger's bullpen chaos and things like. That this is like that, scenario but with way better bullets in the chamber and With patrick touching ninety eight in Shorter, spurts but a guy that you can also stretch out to multi. Innings having three four different lefties that you can go to out of that pen as, well the way that they can mix and match in different ways is just an absolute, EDGE i.
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Speaker 3: Think especially when you trust your manager's decision making.
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Speaker 4: That folks was your roster preview of THE. Cs we're going to get to The tigers in a, moment but quick, Break Just Baseball, Show jack McMullin Arm. Layton we just gave you the roster rundown of each of these four teams remaining in The Championship, series The, dodgers The, brewers The Blue.
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Speaker 2: Jays and The Seattle.
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Speaker 4: Mariners now we want to talk about a team that was bounced in the fifteenth inning On friday, night The Detroit. Tigers The Detroit tigers held their end of season media availability On, monday and we learned a couple of. Things Number, one we learned that the manager of The, Tigers Aj, hinch agreed to a multi year extension earlier in the, season so Aj hinch is here for the long. Run we also heard some really interesting things From Scott, harris who's the head baseball decision maker for The. TIGERS i don't know if he's THE gm or the president Of Baseball. Operations they kind of do the same darn. Thing But Scott harris talked about maybe the lack of big fish landing that they did at the trade, deadline and he made the point that he does not regret not landing that big fish at the trade. Deadline he is very comfortable holding on to the roster that was a game away and inning a swing away from The alcs while also maintaining one of the best farm systems In Major League baseball right. Now he alluded to the possibility of acquiring a rental for somebody who actually turned in a worse back two months than the player that would have been going back to that team from The Detroit, tigers and they were also asking for more prospect capital. THERE i want to start on The Scott harris side and then we'll get to Aj. Hinch this guy clearly has a vision and a five, year ten year plan for The Detroit, tigers AND i feel like he's almost stubborn in a good way that he will stick to that. Plan he's not going to push the chip forward if it's a Total gamble like he feels really good about the direction of The Detroit tigers right.
00:28:35
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, Yeah AND i appreciate him like being out front about it and answering.
00:28:41
Speaker 3: Candidly you. KNOW i think a lot of times you get just so much of THE gm. Speaking you.
00:28:45
Speaker 5: Know it was at LEAST i think made it easier to understand why they approach it that, way because you can also look at a lot of the deadline acquisitions that didn't didn't go, great AND i think it was the speculation was, like, oh maybe that Was Gino suarez and, oh, well who's the player that would have moved the other way that they said had a better second. Half i'm like, thinking, oh, well if it Was, gino they probably woul would have wanted a. Picture would that have been like melting going the other, way BECAUSE i imagine that would be one of the top names that The diamondbacks would have been asking, For like then it makes sense to hold.
00:29:13
Speaker 3: PAT i think WHERE i was surprised.
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Speaker 5: THO i was, like, oh why not go get you, know another starting pitcher to bolster this. Thing but at the same time they would add to give up you, know some crazy prospect, capital which is a lot of the reason why we saw these controlla wile pictures not get moved so tough, spot you, know would have liked to see them be a little bit more aggressive on the bullpen or whatever it may.
00:29:30
Speaker 3: Be BUT i think it's very clear That.
00:29:32
Speaker 5: Scott harris has his eyes on building a long term contender here and a team that's going to continue to develop talent from within and and re replenish the big, leagues and they don't want to trade from that too. Much we saw, THAT i think with the way that they've been able to build this farm. System BUT i still think they're really fascinating because you can't just count on all of these guys to come up and make your team better at the big league, level and you just were a game, away you, know really as close as humanly possible again from or to get to The, alcs and you got to look and, say, well what's going to push us, over you, know to the next step? Here how we get you know a little bit closer to The World. Series AND i think it's got to be a tangible change at the big league, level especially when you look At schooble and, say, WELL i hope we can bring him. Back but if we, can't we don't have that much longer with, him you, know on a cheap. Deal that's WHERE i feel like you need to see a little bit more urgency from, them whether it's on the spending front or if it's making another trade this. Year BUT i can respect at least not forcing it if they didn't feel like there was something there at the.
00:30:32
Speaker 4: Deadline and, FRANKLY i could appreciate If Scott harris sees a clearer picture during the off season that at the trade, deadline the deadline is really, tough AND i feel like the deadline is for the teams that are ready to go all in and deplete their farm to a certain extent or take away some key pieces from that, farm where you can be much more measured during the off.
00:30:51
Speaker 2: Season and, frankly the pool is. Bigger like you.
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Speaker 4: Can talk to contenders about, swapping you can talk to teams at the bottom of the league about.
00:31:00
Speaker 3: Swat cubs Got Kylie Tucker man like that sadline.
00:31:04
Speaker 4: Acquisition, YEAH i mean it's they would NECK i would literally never be available at the. Deadline you're plucking from the bottom six seven eight teams In Major League baseball at the trade deadline versus having conversations with twenty nine other franchises over the course of the. Offseason they also have the benefit of having an incredibly deep farm system in the, offseason WHICH i think.
00:31:27
Speaker 5: Is why we had some of the. Frustrations, AGAIN i still think they could have pushed on the bullpen a little bit, more but maybe they knew what they had With, melton and you, know with the offensive side of, things it was, tough like if it Wasn't, gino like who else could they have gone and? Targeted SO i get, it AND i think maybe you can make that similar conversation with The. Cubs but AGAIN i think with, them maybe pushing the chips a little bit more forward for pitching would have made more sense beyond this year as. Well, sure but, yeah we'll see if either of those teams try to address that this.
00:31:54
Speaker 3: Offseason i'm just really interested by the big league team right.
00:31:56
Speaker 5: Now you look at, it there's a lot of solid players, complimenting but, like you need to get.
00:32:03
Speaker 3: Better how do you get?
00:32:04
Speaker 5: BETTER i think the shortstop positions obviously where you, look but that's not a very easy position to address. Either so and you also have McGonagall coming, up does does he end up playing?
00:32:14
Speaker 3: Second you bring labor?
00:32:15
Speaker 5: Back, LIKE i think there's a lot of fascinating wrinkles within This tigers because you could also see this, team you could do, nothing and they actually are a step back next, year just naturally because you don't get quite the dominance From, schooble let's, say or maybe you, know you Lose flerity Or flerty doesn't throw as well even though he wasn't, great you Lose. GLABER i just mckintree isn't an all, Star, Like i'm interested to see how they can ensure that they can get back to where they were.
00:32:44
Speaker 3: And then at least you know there and then maybe push beyond.
00:32:47
Speaker 4: That SO i will Say priority one for me would be making sure That Glaber torres remained at A tiger. Uniform AND i know that you know McGonagall is probably the second basement of the, future but he's playing shortstop all the time in the, Minor, like why not just try? It and if you have an average shortstop defender with a great bat in, McGonagall as soon as he comes, UP i think you stomach that as opposed to what going to.
00:33:08
Speaker 3: Pay, baschette who can't defend, anyway right.
00:33:10
Speaker 4: Exactly so it's, Like, okay have McGonagall play short and maybe in five six years you move them back over to second, base or maybe in three four years you move them over to second.
00:33:19
Speaker 2: Base BUT i think Labor.
00:33:20
Speaker 4: Torres remaining In detroit is priority. One priority two is going to get another starting pitcher on the heels Of Trek. School whether That's Dylan cease Or Zach gallon or from Ber valdez Or Michael. King there are guys out there For detroit to. Pursue and if you can create instead Of schooble followed By flarerity Maize, olsen you Have schooble And cease followed By flarity Miz. Olsen that's an entirely different level to The Detroit. Tigers they need a good starting pitcher and they need Labor torres to remain in that.
00:33:57
Speaker 2: Uniform we know.
00:33:58
Speaker 3: That Aj, yeah, NOW i was JUST i agree with. That and.
00:34:03
Speaker 5: That's one, where like, you you may underestimate the value of a glab or you lose them and then it's, like oh, man our offense is a little bit. Tough the other thing is like some of some of these positionless like are just not defensively oriented guys like A Colt, keith you, know and Then Jayce young And TRIPLE A Justin henry.
00:34:20
Speaker 3: Malloy so a lot of guys are stuck in.
00:34:22
Speaker 5: Limbo And jith obviously had a nice year AND i was really excited with what he, did but heard at the end of the. YEAR i think he still earned himself a, spot but the guys behind, him you got to figure out what you're gonna do. THERE i just feel like that's not good forty man usage there as. Well SO i just feel like they've got to make some sort of trades this offseason as, well just to supplement some of.
00:34:39
Speaker 3: This and, Yeah I'M i think they're gonna be. BUSY i really.
00:34:42
Speaker 4: Do and they've got guys that plenty of teams would be interested. In we know that Aj hinch is going to be the skipper for them moving forward. Again signed a multi year contract extension over the course of the twenty twenty five. Season it was at some point in the twenty five, season but it is for the foreseeable. Future Aj hinch is the guy In. DETROIT i have zero qualms with. This this guy has proven year over a year that he is one of the best managers In Major League, baseball maybe the best manager In Major League. Baseball, LIKE i have no opinion on, this it's just good for. Them they have their guy moving.
00:35:14
Speaker 3: Forward, well that's WHY i think it's.
00:35:16
Speaker 5: Exciting like they have the, core they have the, manager they have the best pitcher on the planet for my, money and they have a great farm. System so what are the little things you can do To, OKAY i think you're set up for long term success now the year set up to be a good team for a long.
00:35:31
Speaker 3: Time but, now how do you take the next step? Forward how do you get to The World?
00:35:35
Speaker 5: Series AND i think it's that one or two moves for that big league. TEAM i think it's breaking out the CHECKBOOK i really do for one of these starting pitchers and not being afraid to maybe.
00:35:47
Speaker 3: Overpay or with or.
00:35:48
Speaker 5: Whatever even in my AM i coming over FROM, mvb like that's a guy that's worth taking a shot. On BUT i Think cease is a perfect fit for them where big, ballpark maybe the home run ball doesn't burn him as, much and, yeah go spend that. Money you have a core and you have a lot of good. Prospects you want to have to spend a ton of money moving.
00:36:06
Speaker 4: Forward we've got about forty seconds. HERE i do want to throw you one or two more names here that could be interesting for. THEM i feel like they could use some more bullpen, help AND i know that bullpen chaos has been their. Thing but why Can't Devin williams rebound In detroit like that kind of. Guy that kind of acquisition makes a lot of sense to. Me why Can't Ryan helsley rebound In? Detroit the closer market is interesting for guys that would be signing one year. Deals that feels like a way that they could get. Involved but really curious to see how this shakes out In. Detroit but we heard Aj hinch is the man moving, forward And Scott harris had some good points as. Well we do know that one guy's not going back To San. Diego talk about that in a. Moment managerial. Carousel we've got Aj hinch staying. Put we've Got Rob thompson And philadelphia staying. Put we'll talk about that in the next segment to wrap up the. Show but we heard that That Mike shilt is retiring as the manager of The San Diego padres news was broken By Kevin ac The San Diego Union, tribune AND i want to read you this whole letter From Mike shilt and this was published By Kevin. Ac it is with a heavy but full heart That i'm announcing my retirement from managing The San Diego. Padres it's a decision THAT i thought about during the season and became at peace with over the last ten. Days he announced his retirement On october. THIRTEENTH i gave every fiber of my being to help Achieve Peter sidler's vision of bringing A World series championship To San. Diego fell short of the ultimate, goal But i'm proud of what the player's staff and organization were able to accomplish the last two. Seasons the grind of the baseball season has taken a severe toll on me, mentally, physically and emotionally. Well it has always been about serving. Others it's TIME i take care of myself an exit on my. Terms extremely appreciative to The, Padres Peter, sidler The seidler, Family Eric, GRUPNER Aj preller and staff for the trust and confidence to lead this. Team i'm CONFIDENT i left things in a better place and that he keeps on going.
00:38:00
Speaker 2: There thirty four years.
00:38:03
Speaker 4: Of coaching and managing For Mike shilt at the professional. Level spent the last two years as the skipper of The San Diego. Padres this guy was a very good manager In Saint. Louis he WAS i thought wrongly let. GO i thought there was zero point For Saint louis to move on For Mike shilt when they. Did Mike shilt was a heck of a manager In San. Diego good for him for just kind of realizing the priorities over his life right now and getting out right. Now he would have had a job moving. Forward there's no doubt in my mind about. THAT i really don't think this had anything to do with The padres falling short and losing in the wild card. ROUTE i think this is just baseball's hard one sixty two and being there for thirty spring training games is really, hard And Mike shilt was ready to move.
00:38:49
Speaker 5: On, yeah you, KNOW i don't think there's anything you could point to in particular that you, know he could have done substantially.
00:38:56
Speaker 3: Better maybe bunts a little bit more THAN i, Like but you, know.
00:38:59
Speaker 5: LIKE i think this really was just to he's had a really long professional, career and then this may have been the job that may have been best for him when he was really just trying to like get going in his professional like maybe in his managerial career even a few years.
00:39:14
Speaker 3: Ago like this is an exhausting, Gig.
00:39:17
Speaker 5: I'd imagine In San, diego where it's win now, Always AND i, don't, LIKE i won't pretend to know a j, preller BUT i think it's quite visible through the transactions that there's a level of. Urgency AND i think especially the last two, years where he, knows like you, know he's got to do. Something there's the financial urgency side of it as, well because of how much this team invests in, success but also then the trade capital urgency and how much they've always been in win now mode THAT i imagine has to seep down to the manager's, office to the clubhouse and. Beyond and if you're a guy that already is, like, Man i'm feeling the grind after all these, YEARS i can't imagine how exhausting That San diego gig must have been this year and just in the.
00:40:01
Speaker 3: Last couple of.
00:40:02
Speaker 5: Years that's that's AS i think stressful as an environment as there.
00:40:06
Speaker 3: Probably is in terms of we got to do it now and we haven't been.
00:40:09
Speaker 4: Able, to which is funny because it's probably the most stressful job In San, Diego. California that place is, paradise and you can make thrust out of. Paradise there's no doubt about. That it is a unique situation In Major League baseball because they're always hyper. Competitive they haven't reached the, mountaintop but they pursue that mountaintop every. Year and there's some roster, turnover, right there's some. CONTINUITY i, Mean manamachado has been. There we Know Fernando tatis has been there and will continue to be. There there are some pictures that have.
00:40:40
Speaker 3: Been gone anywhere anytime, soon, Right like.
00:40:43
Speaker 4: You know there are, guys there are building, blocks but when the complimentary pieces change all the time like, this that has to increase the stress level. There AND i just, wonder you, Know San, diego like what do they do moving? Forward do they want some and Like Bruce bochi to come in and this is like their humongous push towards A World. Series bruce wants a third or a you, know third different. Team he wants to got a third different team to A World series. Championship or do they go with somebody like A huntley who is A San diego guy who is interviewing for this managerial opening In San francisco right. Now do they go with someone, younger do they elevate somebody Like Ruben. DIEBLA i don't, know, Man it's it's interesting AND i have no idea the direction That San diego wants to.
00:41:31
Speaker 5: Go AND i think it'll be telling based on the higher And I'm i'm very interested because this this front, OFFICE i don't feel like is as much of the they all, are but as much as a hands, on like you, KNOW i want to control everything that's kind of planned out for the game as much LIKE i feel like they've gone with the more veteran managers for that, reason where it's, Like, okay we're gonna put the best team we can humanly pos possible put on the, field and it's it's in your hands.
00:41:59
Speaker 3: Now and so that's WHY i always feel like they skew towards the vet.
00:42:03
Speaker 5: Manager but maybe they switch it up now and maybe that was something that pushed sheildt out this. YEAR i always think about, that as you, know more tenured managers that are running out of gas a little.
00:42:13
Speaker 3: Bit in the evolving landscape of.
00:42:16
Speaker 5: The hierarchy and structure of these organizations is you have a lot more meetings and a lot more people.
00:42:22
Speaker 3: Suggesting how you should do your. Job and If i'm already getting burnt, OUT i, DON'T i. DON'T i don't know IF i could deal with.
00:42:28
Speaker 5: That AND i just wonder what this urgency In San, diego if maybe this is a front office that's looking to get a little bit more hands, ON.
00:42:35
Speaker 4: I would be, curious AND i would IF i were to, GUESS i would assume to a certain, degree, yes that would be the, case and we will see how that. Looks in terms of off season wish list For San, DIEGO i don't really know what it is because obviously they have a lot of guys hitting the open market right. Now they grabbed a rental And ryan, O'Hearn, Obviously Ramon loriano is still, There Mason miller is there to. STAY i just wonder how this team gets better given the financial constraints that they. Have San diego is a fascinating off season to. Me there are a couple of fascinating off seasons to Be detroit's one of. Them San diego is another one of. Them and we're gonna talk About philly in about ninety, seconds AND i mean The Philadelphia. Phillies they're a fascinating off season to be as. Well San, diego do you have like a priority one for?
00:43:20
Speaker 5: Them, honestly, no BECAUSE i don't really know what their approach is going to be into this offseason and is it going to continue to be pushed the chips forward or is the day of reckoning finally coming where it's like we got to clear some money and we got to figure this thing. Out and if that is the, case maybe that's why show. It it's, LIKE i don't know IF i can do, this like this might have been our best. Shot SO i don't, Know AND i think if that is the, case, though maybe a younger guy internal promotion something like that may end up making more sense because they've gone older, vet you, know the last couple of, times and not for any specific, reason but here we are talking about another manager.
00:43:57
Speaker 4: SEARCH i will say it feels impossible to hit the soft rebuild button with Many machado tatis merrill on this. TEAM i agree like they're going to keep going for. IT i feel like over the next two three, years and what does that level of going for it look. LIKE i have no, idea but curious to find.
00:44:16
Speaker 5: OUT i guess, yeah, YEAH i, MEAN i think there'll be some, reshuffling but still in the name of going for. It, obviously you don't make That Mason miller trade if you're not planning to go for it next year, too.
00:44:26
Speaker 4: Right one hundred. Percent so we will see what The San Diego padres want to. Do i'm really curious to see what The Philadelphia phillies want to. Do they Retain Rob. Thompson we're going to talk about that in depth in a. Moment as, always this is The Just Baseball. Show we gave you THE ALCS nlcs. Rundown we're going to wrap it up With Rob thompson In Philly's.
00:44:45
Speaker 2: Talk.
00:44:46
Speaker 4: Next you're listening to The Just Baseball show and watching it on Sportscrit Just Baseball show wrapping up, Here jack McFall and Arm late and we just talked ABOUT Aj hinch getting his, extension we talked About Mike shilt retire and NOW i want to talk About Rob, thompson who is being retained for twenty twenty six there was some conversation about The phillies and this possibly being their last dance in twenty twenty. Five they've got some guys that hit free. Agency Jatial, Muteso Kyle schwarber hits free. Agency Ranger suarez is a free agent as. Well they've got plenty of guys that are going to test the open. Market they have a lot of questions that need to be, answered and this really felt like it Was philadelphia's best opportunity to win The World. Series they fall in four in THE nlds to The, dodgers and all of a sudden there were questions About Rob thompson coming. Back AND i understand that this is a certain level of failure this year for The Philadelphia phillies because they won The National League, geese they were the second best team in The National, league and they Had World series aspirations and they fell short of. That BUT i found that whole conversation to be a little, weird and the fact that they retain him was, Like, okay good. MOVE i would extend a GUY i Like. THOMPSON i think you just want back to back And eli's. TITLES i have no idea why the questioning Around Rob thompson was, Negative, hey what do you think should The phillies bring him? Back To Bryce harper to Real, muto To schwarber to Stot like all these guys answered questions About Rob thompson right after they got bounced by The.
00:46:21
Speaker 2: DODGERS i just found that. Bizarre, yeah you, know and.
00:46:25
Speaker 3: Teams don't really like operating with the lame duck manager.
00:46:28
Speaker 5: ANYMORE i think one of the team THAT i can think of this doing it right now going into next year is The diamondbacks With Tory. Lavello and that makes more, sense right because you want to give them the benefit of the. Doubt, sure, yeah it was a lot of injuries stuff like, that but there's been some streakiness the last couple of years and they want to wait and we'll see what happens this.
00:46:46
Speaker 3: Year maybe even midseason they can extend. Him but with The phillies, situation.
00:46:52
Speaker 5: Like you, said they've won the division and they're consistently great in the regular, season AND i don't think you can look At Rob thompson and say there's something you could have done in this postseason to push this team.
00:47:02
Speaker 3: Across the finish.
00:47:03
Speaker 5: Line you could look at maybe The Nick cassianos the lack of communication between him And, Casianos but that seemed like an isolated, issue, Right like it didn't seem like something that affected his relationship With thompson's relationship with other. Players it didn't seem like it was something that Affected cassianto's relationship with his. Teammates like it was just one of those where you're not gonna see eye to eye with every single. Player and, YEAH i think a lot of people can understand Why cassianos was faced out of the situation a little. Bit, Anyways it's just a tough spot to. Be but other than, that get the whole, talk even since he took over his interim and got and eventually got the, gig is that he's been the right guy for this ball club and for this, group AND i don't really see that. Changing BUT i JUST i think it's weird when this team probably has and it's already gonna look. Different but, again another team that you're not gonna fully, rebuild like already has a couple more years of shelf life of really going for, It, like are you really gonna have a new manager with this group? Anyways AND i know you may lose a couple. Guys but we Imagine schwarbur is gonna come. Back but let's say it doesn't it even with The, Turner Harper nola just, grouping there we, are.
00:48:13
Speaker 3: You're gonna just drop in a totally new. Manager what's that gonna?
00:48:16
Speaker 5: FIX i JUST i think giving a little bit more consistency and, continuity especially as Maybe swarbur doesn't, sign maybe they Trade, BOEM i think it would be good to show, that, hey we Have rob for more than a, year and we don't Have rob managing for his job in twenty. SIX i JUST i don't. Know i'm not a huge fan of. That And Dave nembrowski is a great feel for these, things.
00:48:35
Speaker 3: So trusty'll figure it. Out BUT i don't. KNOW i just find it.
00:48:39
Speaker 4: Interesting this is the closest we could get to a contender tearing it down after winning the. Division and, AGAIN i understand that THE nlds did not go their way and this postseason as a whole did not go their, way and that can be a failure In philly's, land BUT i don't like. It feels it's weird to, Say, okay we're going to change the fabric of this. Organization and obviously they're not doing it on the managerial, side But i'm with, You, like it feels like you could have offered him a two year. Extension instead you're retaining him for twenty, six which feels, like, okay you got to prove it.
00:49:13
Speaker 2: Again.
00:49:14
Speaker 4: Uh The castianos thing just like tying a bow on, That like it's really hard to tell a twenty million dollar player and one hundred million dollar in total contract value player that is so well respected, player, yeah well respected, Player like it's really hard to tell, Him, hey you're not, performing so we're not going to play.
00:49:31
Speaker 2: You and that's.
00:49:32
Speaker 4: Delicate And, castianos deservedly so has an ego now that goes with being a twenty million dollar, player and that's a really hard pill to. Stomach SO i understand why there could be some confusion, there BUT i don't, Know, like there are questions Surrounding, bom there are questions surrounding plenty of people on that, roster but you do know that you have some pillars moving, Forward Christopher sanchez in the front of that, rotation we See nola And. Wheeler to your, Point harper And, turner there's enough to like, here and there's enough to keep pursuing it With. Philadelphia priority one is Retaining, schwarber, obviously BUT i don't. Know we've got about forty five seconds here and then we'll. Wrap how much change do you truly see happening In phillyland this?
00:50:13
Speaker 5: Offseason, well Now i'm thinking maybe a little bit more than we, expect BECAUSE i think there remember are going to go into this this.
00:50:20
Speaker 3: Year it's purely, speculative but.
00:50:23
Speaker 5: Kind of not knowing what's in store for twenty twenty seven and who. Does BUT i think teams like this usually you think maybe but if twenty twenty six doesn't go, well that maybe this is a team that starts to look a.
00:50:34
Speaker 3: Lot younger in twenty twenty seven and.
00:50:35
Speaker 5: Beyond and you don't want to have a multi year contract for a manager who probably won't want to be on hand for that whole new. Situation so that's the one Thing i'm thinking a little bit. Of BUT i THINK i might also be just just overthinking it.
00:50:47
Speaker 4: Too that's our. Program thank you guys so much for joining. Us we've talked to you next week on Sportscript
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