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I'm John Batchelor. To the south of France, to my
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good colleague Simon Constable, writing for the Wall Street Journal
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and Barron's and other distinguished publications. However, I'm keen on
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the climate of the south of France. It's no longer
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August vacation time for the French culture. It is September,
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back to work, and back to work with... The beautiful
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skies of New England when they clear and blue in
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September or rain? I'm unsure. Simon, a very good day
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to you. Your weather, you had a heat wave that
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was crushing. Has it lifted? Is it raining? Good day
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to you.
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Good day to you, John. No, it is not raining.
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We did have a tornado last week, which was very interesting.
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It really almost petered out when it got to our
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house and then gave up. So I'm very happy with that.
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It alarmed a lot of people I know. However, at
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the moment, it's blue skies. Great temperature, sunny, light breeze.
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So the high, 85 Fahrenheit. The low, 61 Fahrenheit. Now,
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I can live in that environment. That's really nice. That's
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a good situation. I'm sure it will cool down over
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the next three months. And then we'll get into winter
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in January.
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Simon, tornado? I've not read that before. Is that commonplace?
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Do the farmers just shrug?
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It's not commonplace because we're up on a hill that
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is 300 meters above sea level. So where this tornado
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started was near Carcassonne, which is even further south than
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we are. And it's been in a bit of a basin.
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And right by that, one of these tornadoes, or maybe
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that just the one, managed to wreck a lot of houses,
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300 houses, and a lot of people were injured. So
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that wasn't very good. It was rather surprising for us.
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But I do know tornadoes like flat ground to do
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their business. And they can't have that where we are
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because we're up a hill. And so for it to
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get up the hill, it loses a lot of its energy.
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So the first time I've experienced anything like that, and
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it was the tag end of what was happening.
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Did you have tornado warnings the way they do in
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the Midwest? Did alarms go off? How did you know
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about it?
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I knew about it because I looked out of the
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window and then tried to open one of the doors
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to the balconies. And it was just blowing at us
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at about 50 miles an hour, which isn't very fast
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for a tornado, by the way. But it was like, OK,
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shut that down and keep the wet out.
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We're talking a funnel that you could see into the
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sky touching down.
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We didn't know that at that point, but it got
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on the news in France very, very quickly that because
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it was moving, and I've never experienced a tornado before.
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I've obviously seen pictures of that in the U.S., and
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that's completely different, and certainly that doesn't really happen in
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the U.K. either. But, yes, it was very interesting. It
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took down all the damsons that were on the trees
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in our garden in one, like, oomph. It was there,
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and they were all shot down to the ground, and
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the animals would have been eating them, so that's fine.
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Somebody benefited from it. A lot of little animals.
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Is anybody mumbling climate change about this, or they just say, yeah,
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it happens?
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Nobody's mumbling about it being climate change as far as
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I can see, except people who are on TV who
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like to say that all the time. But apart from that, it's,
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you know, it's weather. Weather happens, whether you like it
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or not.
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I wasn't ready for a tornado this morning. All right,
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let's move away from it's fall and... The seasons are changing,
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so we're watching commodities. There's alarm in the capitals about
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the bond market, global bond market. The gilt, the British bond,
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is at a low rate. This is reverse. It's collapsed
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near to the failure in 2008, the Great Recession. The
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same for other bonds around the world. Things are not
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stable in the markets. So I come to you about energy.
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What do you see about the energy markets? I'm interested
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in Brent crude. I'm interested in natural gas, interested in electricity, please.
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Well, here we go. Brent crude is now ninety four
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dollars per barrel. That's up 12 percent on the month.
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and that really doesn't really show how much it's gone
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back up over the last few weeks before that. So
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that's not such good news for anyone who's got a car.
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EU gas, which is electricity as well, is 73 euros
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per megawatt hour, and that's up 26% in the last month.
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Diesel fuel is 2 euros and 25 cents per Per
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megawatt power. Sorry, per unit. Sorry. Yes, per whatever it is. Yes.
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Leader, Simon.
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Sorry, leader. Yes.
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The Europeans do leaders. We do gallons. Right.
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Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. What an idiot am I? Yes, diesel, € 2. 25
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per litre. Which is up a little bit, not profoundly.
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Not profoundly so far. Gold is up 7% at € 4, 332.
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Silver is up 12% at $ 64.
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Copper is unchanged at $ 6.
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53 per pound. which is high and is a good
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sign for the economy. Iron ore is up 6%, which
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is another good sign for the economy globally, and that's
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$ 99 per metric ton. Soy is up 10% at $ 12. 06
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per bushel. 10% month over month? Yep, month over month.
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It's a big move up. Wheat is up 16% at $ 7. 53.
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Month over month? Month over month, they're all month over month.
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That's the Black Sea.
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That's the embargo on grain from Ukraine. It has to be.
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And wheat up 16% and corn up 14%. And it's $ 5. 15
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per bushel there. And we've got coffee at $ 3 exactly,
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down 2%, which is pretty interesting because it's going in
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the opposite direction of all the problems that the coffee has.
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Coffee farmers are dealing with at the moment, which is
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a whole load of things, including too much heat, not
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enough water and bad soil, none of which look very good.
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So those are what we're doing. And basically everything's getting
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more expensive than it was.
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I'm keen on the food. I wasn't ready for that.
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The food complex, those are big jumps. That has to
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be alarming to the countries that depend on that food
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coming out.
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So it will influence mostly people along the Mediterranean. It's
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going to be a problem there for poor countries like Libya,
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like Egypt, like Morocco. It's going to be pretty bad.
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We go from the jump in food and the tornado
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and the energy prices are not stable because the violence
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has started again in the Straits of Hormuz. We go
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to Britain, London. Simon just visited Scotland and he's back.
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There's a new prime minister in London, Andy Burnham, who's
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younger and friendly and open-faced and very active with his cabinet.
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And I saw the meeting, the cabinet room, everybody's gleeful,
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no alarms. And we have a Lord Ashcroft poll asking,
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who is he? What do you think about him? How
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long is he going to last? And it would appear
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that the The voting public is being generous towards him, Simon.
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No quick judgments. He's not Keir Starmer. I believe Mr.
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Starmer has now stepped down from Parliament. He's resigned his seat.
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So he goes back to the practice of law, a
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skillful lawyer. But Andy Burnham gives an open face of
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a mayor. And what is your sense of the English public?
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Are they being patient with him? Because there are some
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genuine problems he has to address, chiefly taxes and the budget.
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It's very interesting. He is very charismatic. He is very likable.
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But I'm not sure he's the right person to be
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a prime minister of a country that is a major
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economy in Europe and in many ways across the world.
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There's a what Ashcroft also sent was a list of
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things that what people had known about Andy Burnham. They're
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all very trivial things. Let me go through this. This
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is what the public think. Andy Burnham becomes a prime minister. OK, well,
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that was news. But, you know, what has he done?
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Then you've got social and care reforms that's associated with him.
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Accusations about Nigel Farage's finances. Labour wins in Manchester mayoral election. Again,
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that's minor. Spanish border crisis, well, that's not happening in
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the UK, so not really that much of a problem.
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War in Iran, that's important, but really nothing's being done there.
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Number 10 North opens, which is going to be basically
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like the prime minister's home when he's up in Manchester.
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And then we've got a proposal to give mayors a
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share of income tax from the whole country. And then
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Small boat crossing crossings, which we know about, which is
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the illegal immigration into Britain every single day. It seems
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that way. And a two pound cap on bus fares. OK,
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so when you get on a bus, you only will
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pay two pounds. Now, these things, a lot of them
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seem rather minor. And and those things that are major
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in that list are not being dealt with. So none
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of that seems very good. And as you said, he
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comes across still as a mayor when he is sitting
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in the prime minister's seat. And that is a big problem.
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You need someone who can think globally and think about
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big things and get them done.
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And I remind myself Europe is at war with the
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Russian Federation. Simon Constable in the south of France, tornado
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strewn south of France. First time I've ever said that
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in my life. We're turning to data centers. Why? Because
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Simon did the premier poll for the Wall Street Journal
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on data centers. What do you know and what do
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you not know? And when we come back, it turns
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that data centers are no longer just a quiz. They
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are a major political argument right now for the midterms,
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both parties in the United States. I'm John Batchelor. I'm
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John Batchelor with Simon Constable, my colleague in the south
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of France. And Simon does quizzes for the Wall Street
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Journal and other publications, particularly the Journal. And recently, sometime
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in this summertime, he did a quiz on data centers.
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I knew very little, 10 questions, very difficult. But once
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you learn them, you remember it. And data centers are
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at the centerpiece of the artificial intelligence phenomena, dominating the markets,
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dominating the future. What does it mean for all professions,
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especially a profession like Simon's and mine, journalism? However, it
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turns to my surprise that data centers have become a
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target of genuine unhappiness, genuine enmity, genuine fear and panic.
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The word hate is too strong, but certainly disgust. Why?
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How did this happen? Well, initially it started out as
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a way of saying, We don't like the oligarchs in
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the Silicon Valley, and that still might be driving it.
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But that is not what they say. They say the
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reason we don't like data centers, one, the environment, two,
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the environment, three, the environment. They don't mention the cost.
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They don't mention the oligarchs. They mention the environment. And Simon,
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your environmental questions on the quiz can be helpful here.
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Let's look at the way the campaigns are developing today.
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They pound water, they pound electricity, and they pound very
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much the noise. You asked about at least two of those,
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maybe all three. What are the facts, Simon? Thank you.
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Thank you. Well, the facts are that we have a
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lot of data centers in the U.S., more than any
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other country, I believe, at this point. And some of
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those data centers are very old and use old ways
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of doing things to make the data center cool down
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and et cetera, et cetera. So some of the new
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ones are, you know, a lot more efficient and all
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that sort of stuff. So what you're going to get
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from the answers to this quiz is what it is
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on average. And that includes the old data centers as
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well as the new ones. So I want to ask
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one or two of these questions. Only 13% of data
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centers currently in operation are located in rural areas, according
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to recent data. What percentage of planned data centers are
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expected to be in rural areas? A, 16%. B, 33%. C, 67%. D, 75%.
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And E, 98%. And drum roll now. What do you think, John?
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I don't remember exactly. Is it 38?
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No, it's 67%. 67%.
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So they're putting these in rural areas, not in suburban
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or city. So there are opportunities in rural areas. There's
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also tax income for rural areas.
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Let's ask about the water because that's a big one,
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the environment.
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The water situation is very interesting. So here's basically the
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top of it. It's number seven out of ten. Data
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centers need water to cool server components. How many gallons
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a day of water does a typical data center use? A, 10,000 gallons. B, 150,000 gallons. C, 300,000 gallons. D, 450,000 gallons.
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And E, 500,000 gallons. I remember this one, 300,000 gallons, which.
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Is Not very much, given that they've got the Susquehanna
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River and other rivers feeding the data centers. However, and
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the water goes back where it came from, so they
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recycle it many times. However, okay, it's there. It uses
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a lot of water to cool the machinery. And the electricity,
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what is the use question? We have about a minute.
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Okay, number six out of ten. Data center electricity consumption
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totals $ 110. 183 terawatt hours in 2024. What portion of
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the U.S. overall electricity usage did that represent? A, 1%, B, 2%, C, 3%, D, 4%,
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and E, more than 4%. All right.
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How much? My memory is it was four, but I
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don't know whether it was exactly four or more than four.
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What's the right answer?
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is a very open thing. But it's probably just a
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little bit more than 4% in what we think is happening.
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Because we're talking about higher electricity bills, poisoned water, huge.
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Did you ask a noise question? We have 30 seconds.
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We've got a noise crusade. We didn't do anything on noise. No,
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we didn't do anything on noise on that. And I
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think it is noisy if you're right by it, just
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like it's noisy if you go by a racetrack with,
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you know, a car racing track. It'll be noisy. So what?
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So what is that they're using it on the campaign
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trail and with great effectiveness. I mentioned this. It's a
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complete surprise to me, Simon, that you could beat up
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on a data center given that Everything that is on
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my desk right now depends upon a data center that's
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already in use. And here we go again. Simon Constable
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in tornado students out of France, burdening us with facts
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about data centers. I'm John Batchelor.
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I'm John Batchelor. To the south of France, to my
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good colleague Simon Constable, writing for the Wall Street Journal
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and Barron's and other distinguished publications. However, I'm keen on
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the climate of the south of France. It's no longer
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August vacation time for the French culture. It is September,
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back to work, and back to work with... The beautiful
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skies of New England when they clear and blue in
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September or rain? I'm unsure. Simon, a very good day
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to you. Your weather, you had a heat wave that
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was crushing. Has it lifted? Is it raining? Good day
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to you.
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Good day to you, John. No, it is not raining.
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We did have a tornado last week, which was very interesting.
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It really almost petered out when it got to our
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house and then gave up. So I'm very happy with that.
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It alarmed a lot of people I know. However, at
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the moment, it's blue skies. Great temperature, sunny, light breeze.
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So the high, 85 Fahrenheit. The low, 61 Fahrenheit. Now,
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I can live in that environment. That's really nice. That's
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a good situation. I'm sure it will cool down over
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the next three months. And then we'll get into winter
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in January.
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Simon, tornado? I've not read that before. Is that commonplace?
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Do the farmers just shrug?
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It's not commonplace because we're up on a hill that
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is 300 meters above sea level. So where this tornado
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started was near Carcassonne, which is even further south than
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we are. And it's been in a bit of a basin.
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And right by that, one of these tornadoes, or maybe
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that just the one, managed to wreck a lot of houses,
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300 houses, and a lot of people were injured. So
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that wasn't very good. It was rather surprising for us.
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their business. And they can't have that where we are
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because we're up a hill. And so for it to
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get up the hill, it loses a lot of its energy.
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So the first time I've experienced anything like that, and
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it was the tag end of what was happening.
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Did you have tornado warnings the way they do in
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the Midwest? Did alarms go off? How did you know
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about it?
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I knew about it because I looked out of the
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window and then tried to open one of the doors
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to the balconies. And it was just blowing at us
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at about 50 miles an hour, which isn't very fast
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for a tornado, by the way. But it was like, OK,
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shut that down and keep the wet out.
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We're talking a funnel that you could see into the
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sky touching down.
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We didn't know that at that point, but it got
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on the news in France very, very quickly that because
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it was moving, and I've never experienced a tornado before.
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I've obviously seen pictures of that in the U.S., and
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that's completely different, and certainly that doesn't really happen in
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the U.K. either. But, yes, it was very interesting. It
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took down all the damsons that were on the trees
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in our garden in one, like, oomph. It was there,
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and they were all shot down to the ground, and
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the animals would have been eating them, so that's fine.
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Somebody benefited from it. A lot of little animals.
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Is anybody mumbling climate change about this, or they just say, yeah,
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it happens?
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Nobody's mumbling about it being climate change as far as
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I can see, except people who are on TV who
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like to say that all the time. But apart from that, it's,
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you know, it's weather. Weather happens, whether you like it
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or not.
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I wasn't ready for a tornado this morning. All right,
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let's move away from it's fall and... The seasons are changing,
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so we're watching commodities. There's alarm in the capitals about
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the bond market, global bond market. The gilt, the British bond,
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is at a low rate. This is reverse. It's collapsed
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near to the failure in 2008, the Great Recession. The
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same for other bonds around the world. Things are not
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stable in the markets. So I come to you about energy.
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What do you see about the energy markets? I'm interested
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in Brent crude. I'm interested in natural gas, interested in electricity, please.
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Well, here we go. Brent crude is now ninety four
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dollars per barrel. That's up 12 percent on the month.
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and that really doesn't really show how much it's gone
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back up over the last few weeks before that. So
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that's not such good news for anyone who's got a car.
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EU gas, which is electricity as well, is 73 euros
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per megawatt hour, and that's up 26% in the last month.
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Diesel fuel is 2 euros and 25 cents per Per
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megawatt power. Sorry, per unit. Sorry. Yes, per whatever it is. Yes.
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Leader, Simon.
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Sorry, leader. Yes.
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The Europeans do leaders. We do gallons. Right.
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Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. What an idiot am I? Yes, diesel, € 2. 25
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per litre. Which is up a little bit, not profoundly.
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Not profoundly so far. Gold is up 7% at € 4, 332.
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Silver is up 12% at $ 64.
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53 per pound. which is high and is a good
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sign for the economy. Iron ore is up 6%, which
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is another good sign for the economy globally, and that's
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$ 99 per metric ton. Soy is up 10% at $ 12. 06
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per bushel. 10% month over month? Yep, month over month.
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It's a big move up. Wheat is up 16% at $ 7. 53.
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Month over month? Month over month, they're all month over month.
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That's the Black Sea.
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That's the embargo on grain from Ukraine. It has to be.
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per bushel there. And we've got coffee at $ 3 exactly,
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down 2%, which is pretty interesting because it's going in
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the opposite direction of all the problems that the coffee has.
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a whole load of things, including too much heat, not
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enough water and bad soil, none of which look very good.
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more expensive than it was.
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I'm keen on the food. I wasn't ready for that.
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be alarming to the countries that depend on that food
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coming out.
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going to be a problem there for poor countries like Libya,
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like Egypt, like Morocco. It's going to be pretty bad.
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We go from the jump in food and the tornado
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and the energy prices are not stable because the violence
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has started again in the Straits of Hormuz. We go
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to Britain, London. Simon just visited Scotland and he's back.
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There's a new prime minister in London, Andy Burnham, who's
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younger and friendly and open-faced and very active with his cabinet.
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no alarms. And we have a Lord Ashcroft poll asking,
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who is he? What do you think about him? How
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long is he going to last? And it would appear
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that the The voting public is being generous towards him, Simon.
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No quick judgments. He's not Keir Starmer. I believe Mr.
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Starmer has now stepped down from Parliament. He's resigned his seat.
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So he goes back to the practice of law, a
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skillful lawyer. But Andy Burnham gives an open face of
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a mayor. And what is your sense of the English public?
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Are they being patient with him? Because there are some
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genuine problems he has to address, chiefly taxes and the budget.
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a prime minister of a country that is a major
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economy in Europe and in many ways across the world.
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things that what people had known about Andy Burnham. They're
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all very trivial things. Let me go through this. This
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is what the public think. Andy Burnham becomes a prime minister. OK, well,
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that was news. But, you know, what has he done?
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Accusations about Nigel Farage's finances. Labour wins in Manchester mayoral election. Again,
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that's minor. Spanish border crisis, well, that's not happening in
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the UK, so not really that much of a problem.
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like the prime minister's home when he's up in Manchester.
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share of income tax from the whole country. And then
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Small boat crossing crossings, which we know about, which is
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the illegal immigration into Britain every single day. It seems
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that way. And a two pound cap on bus fares. OK,
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pay two pounds. Now, these things, a lot of them
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seem rather minor. And and those things that are major
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in that list are not being dealt with. So none
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of that seems very good. And as you said, he
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in the prime minister's seat. And that is a big problem.
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You need someone who can think globally and think about
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big things and get them done.
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And I remind myself Europe is at war with the
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Russian Federation. Simon Constable in the south of France, tornado
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strewn south of France. First time I've ever said that
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in my life. We're turning to data centers. Why? Because
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Simon did the premier poll for the Wall Street Journal
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on data centers. What do you know and what do
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you not know? And when we come back, it turns
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that data centers are no longer just a quiz. They
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are a major political argument right now for the midterms,
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both parties in the United States. I'm John Batchelor. I'm
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John Batchelor with Simon Constable, my colleague in the south
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of France. And Simon does quizzes for the Wall Street
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Journal and other publications, particularly the Journal. And recently, sometime
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in this summertime, he did a quiz on data centers.
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I knew very little, 10 questions, very difficult. But once
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you learn them, you remember it. And data centers are
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at the centerpiece of the artificial intelligence phenomena, dominating the markets,
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dominating the future. What does it mean for all professions,
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especially a profession like Simon's and mine, journalism? However, it
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turns to my surprise that data centers have become a
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target of genuine unhappiness, genuine enmity, genuine fear and panic.
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The word hate is too strong, but certainly disgust. Why?
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How did this happen? Well, initially it started out as
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a way of saying, We don't like the oligarchs in
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the Silicon Valley, and that still might be driving it.
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reason we don't like data centers, one, the environment, two,
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the environment, three, the environment. They don't mention the cost.
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They don't mention the oligarchs. They mention the environment. And Simon,
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your environmental questions on the quiz can be helpful here.
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Let's look at the way the campaigns are developing today.
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They pound water, they pound electricity, and they pound very
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much the noise. You asked about at least two of those,
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maybe all three. What are the facts, Simon? Thank you.
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Thank you. Well, the facts are that we have a
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lot of data centers in the U.S., more than any
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other country, I believe, at this point. And some of
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those data centers are very old and use old ways
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of doing things to make the data center cool down
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and et cetera, et cetera. So some of the new
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ones are, you know, a lot more efficient and all
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that sort of stuff. So what you're going to get
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from the answers to this quiz is what it is
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on average. And that includes the old data centers as
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well as the new ones. So I want to ask
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one or two of these questions. Only 13% of data
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centers currently in operation are located in rural areas, according
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to recent data. What percentage of planned data centers are
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expected to be in rural areas? A, 16%. B, 33%. C, 67%. D, 75%.
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And E, 98%. And drum roll now. What do you think, John?
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I don't remember exactly. Is it 38?
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No, it's 67%. 67%.
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So they're putting these in rural areas, not in suburban
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or city. So there are opportunities in rural areas. There's
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also tax income for rural areas.
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Okay.
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Let's ask about the water because that's a big one,
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the environment.
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The water situation is very interesting. So here's basically the
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top of it. It's number seven out of ten. Data
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centers need water to cool server components. How many gallons
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a day of water does a typical data center use? A, 10,000 gallons. B, 150,000 gallons. C, 300,000 gallons. D, 450,000 gallons.
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And E, 500,000 gallons. I remember this one, 300,000 gallons, which.
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Is Not very much, given that they've got the Susquehanna
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River and other rivers feeding the data centers. However, and
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the water goes back where it came from, so they
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recycle it many times. However, okay, it's there. It uses
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a lot of water to cool the machinery. And the electricity,
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what is the use question? We have about a minute.
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Okay, number six out of ten. Data center electricity consumption
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totals $ 110. 183 terawatt hours in 2024. What portion of
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the U.S. overall electricity usage did that represent? A, 1%, B, 2%, C, 3%, D, 4%,
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and E, more than 4%. All right.
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This is percentage of all the electricity in the U.S.
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in one year?
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Yes.
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How much? My memory is it was four, but I
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don't know whether it was exactly four or more than four.
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What's the right answer?
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The right answer is more than 4%, which, of course,
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is a very open thing. But it's probably just a
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little bit more than 4% in what we think is happening.
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That's not going to drive anybody's bills up more than 4%.
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They're going to pay for that.
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Yeah.
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Because we're talking about higher electricity bills, poisoned water, huge.
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Did you ask a noise question? We have 30 seconds.
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We've got a noise crusade. We didn't do anything on noise. No,
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we didn't do anything on noise on that. And I
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think it is noisy if you're right by it, just
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like it's noisy if you go by a racetrack with,
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you know, a car racing track. It'll be noisy. So what?
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So what is that they're using it on the campaign
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trail and with great effectiveness. I mentioned this. It's a
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complete surprise to me, Simon, that you could beat up
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on a data center given that Everything that is on
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my desk right now depends upon a data center that's
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already in use. And here we go again. Simon Constable
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in tornado students out of France, burdening us with facts
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about data centers. I'm John Batchelor.
