00:00:05
Speaker 1: Kielda.
00:00:06
Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. If you're old enough then you'll remember there was a time when every key we household had to pick a week day where they wouldn't drive. Carlos Days were introduced in nineteen seventy nine as an attempt to reduce petrol consumption amid a global oil shock thanks to the Iranian Revolution. The scheme was short lived. It was scrapped in nineteen eighty after it achieved only a minimal reduction in petrol use. So why are we hearing about it again now if it failed so miserably and are there alternatives that we should be looking at closer Today? On the Front Page, transport commentator and Greater Auckland director Matt Lowry is with us to break down the idea and maybe what others there are as petrol prices continue to rise. First off, Matt, tell me what you know about carless days.
00:01:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea of kind of stays comes from the late seventies, when the last time there was an issue you have more in a round and it relates to earlier that you have a pass or when you can drive your car and you can only drive your car on certain days of the week, so you know, you might only better travel on a Monday and a Wednesday and a Friday instead of Tuesday and Thursday.
00:01:37
Speaker 4: And the idea is to encourage a reduction and oil use.
00:01:41
Speaker 2: And so did it work.
00:01:43
Speaker 3: Not really a significant number of people that would get exemptions for it. And that was back in a time when most households in New Zealand still only had one car. That's quite different now and many households have two or even more cars in them, and so if could quite be a scenario where you know, even with a carle Stays implemented that people have different days and they're still able to travel around and use those additional cars to continue traveling is normally I think the goal, the goal overall.
00:02:15
Speaker 4: Is to reduce usage, but we need to so.
00:02:17
Speaker 3: We need to think about other ways that we can we can reduce pigal use so that or fuel use so that we can make what with what stops we've got lasts longer.
00:02:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean whenever the government tries to implementment something like this, there are always people looking for those loopholes, right, Like you mentioned, those two car households probably got away with a lot.
00:02:37
Speaker 2: But I suppose in terms of if we would implement it now the I understand that there was a bit of forgery going on, so you had a ticket in your car or something saying yeah, I can drive this car every day except Wednesday, for example.
00:02:51
Speaker 1: But nowadays, with technology.
00:02:53
Speaker 2: It would be that portion at least would be a bit easier to try.
00:02:56
Speaker 4: Okay, well you think.
00:02:58
Speaker 3: So, but that we require significant enforcement, and yeah, there's there's plenty of other things that we need police or other agencies doing that is not enforcing when you when and where you can drive, you know, without rolling out significant technology to automate that.
00:03:16
Speaker 4: And again that significant COSSM would take a long time. It wouldn't. That's not a short term solution.
00:03:20
Speaker 3: So it doesn't sound to me like something that is going to be a quick win for reducing fuel use. And yeah, maybe if we were thinking longer about it, we might be able to do something, but I don't think it's certainly nothing that's going to be in place for in the next few months or weeks or months.
00:03:39
Speaker 1: Right, So when the government says they're looking into it, they're like, well, yeah, we're looking into it, but it's probably not going to happen. Hey, what else do you reckon they should be looking into right now?
00:03:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there are a couple of other things that would be practical for a short term solution, you know, and we saw with COVID that if there's a sort of rallying together and we can work together type scenario, people will accept it. But things that could reduce for your use might be things like reducing speed limits on our state highways, you know, reducing it from one hundred down to eighty klometers and now we'll make travel to take a little bit longer, not too much, but that does reduce fuel use. Particularly after eighty kilometers, vehicles start to be more air resistance and burning more fuel to travel the same distance. So that could be a way to reduce take a few percent twints off the level of fuel use, and that might help extend extend things we do need to be encouraging more walking and cycling, more public transport in our studies where that's possible. Those are the things that you know, we can encourage people to change how they travel. We should be looking at for businesses that can encouraging more work from home. Again, you know a lot of businesses that have shift that started to shift back to mortar being in the office a lot more still not necessarily what it was proprior to COVID, but the technology exists that the a lot of people are still doing it quite significantly and I am today you know we're working from home. Maybe maybe an extra day working from home median might be a way to reduce fuel use for people traveling and if you're not public transport, walking and slight things are great options. You know, we could support that with more things like pop up bike lands in some places, many of our cities Auckland will into approaches have been expanding there. There there's slightly networks and we could we could encourage that further other things also is a lot of there's a lot of freight that could potentially.
00:05:32
Speaker 4: Move to the round network that we could encourage. That might require more funding for key.
00:05:37
Speaker 3: Are hole to get more staff and pay more staff throughout those times to operate those trains and process all that. But that could be an option for getting more for it because rail threat is more efficient in terms of your use than trucking things around the country. That's not practical everywhere, but you know, those are sorts of things that we could we could do.
00:05:57
Speaker 4: And I guess the other thing is how can we encourage rapidly more electric vehicles. There's to be a bit hard.
00:06:06
Speaker 3: The world's going to be crying out for those as much as possible at the moment, so it's gonna be hard to get stocked in, I guess. But more electric vehicles, whether it be cars, electric bytes, you know, those literal trucks, all those sort of things, to get ol vehicle fully off fossil fuels, because there is really what's going to be you know, that's what's going to hold the economy to ransom as these fuel prices.
00:06:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are definitely some kind of short term fixes I suppose, like you said, and then those longer term like getting everyone over to evs. Petrels now topping what three dollars a leter that's over twice the real nineteen seventy nine peak adjusted for inflation, when they introduce the carless days. In terms of getting people onto public transports, say if the government tomorrow was like right to encourage people to get onto.
00:06:56
Speaker 2: The bus to go to work as opposed to driving and using fuel. We're going to make public transport costs free. Do you reckon our network can even hold that many consumers at once.
00:07:08
Speaker 3: Well, we're currently in the busiest time of the year with March madness, where most of the public transport networks are used the most. We're still seeing overall public transport use less than it was prior to COVID. So those networks have grown since then and have become better.
00:07:23
Speaker 4: And so.
00:07:25
Speaker 3: There is a lot of capacity within the network to carry more, and there is more that could be done.
00:07:29
Speaker 4: For example, we could extend it would.
00:07:31
Speaker 3: Require were again more funding to operate those buses and trains and all the rest of it, but we could extend the length of the peak hours peak time so that people might have to travel slightly later or slightly earlier, slightly later, but like people do for a cry and avoid congestion. There's a lot of capacity, particularly in the off peak, and we could also extend those peak hours into that a lot more.
00:07:54
Speaker 4: So there is significant capacity there.
00:07:55
Speaker 3: As sure, it's not going to be able to take everyone, and it's not going to be the only solution that's available, but it could certainly we could certainly do a lot more with the public transport capacity we've got. Typically after Easter public transport use and v or used here to drop off a little bit, So that will help easy bit of pressure that we can if we can continue sort of the March levels of public transport youth throughout later into the year, that we're taken against.
00:08:22
Speaker 4: The pressure off off the roads and off fuel use. The only day my daughter doesn't go to kindergarten, sweetly success post. If we don't have the car, if we don't know.
00:08:38
Speaker 1: Whose car on Tuesday, how will you get to work with?
00:08:42
Speaker 3: Oh, well, my husband can catch the bus.
00:08:44
Speaker 2: The human way to select the car stard is to select the day that causes one the least inconvenience. Surely, if they choose the day on which they use the car least, then carless days must be the least effective.
00:08:56
Speaker 4: We're of reducing federal consumption.
00:09:00
Speaker 1: Along with Carl stays, I suppose as a big headline the government's looking into it, but it probably won't won't go ahead, but it is one of those eye catching kind of things that we all go, oh, what if this happened in terms of rationing petrol in the past, How has that happened.
00:09:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea is that you might you might have a certain budget that you're able to use of fuel, so everyone has a has where account effectively of you're allowed that this mere leaders of fuel and you could obviously trade that or use it or buy it more from other people. That would work in some situations. Again, as how you'd set that scheme ut protecting rapidly to be able to implement that, and how you would monitor it and put that monitoring and enforcement in place, and that is always going to be the challenges.
00:09:50
Speaker 4: Anything that's going to require significant.
00:09:51
Speaker 3: Change like that that's apart from what we used to is going to take some time to set up and establish, which is why some of those other options like the public transfer walking asidely, like you know, just encouraging work from home are things that we can do now and we can we can get some success from because.
00:10:08
Speaker 4: You know, we could we could be starting that right now and help reduce our.
00:10:11
Speaker 3: Fuel usage for the next month or two before.
00:10:15
Speaker 4: Things get worse.
00:10:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, and those are all things that I guess doesn't mean that there will be like a wild West. I can I can imagine a scenario where we do ration petrol or something, and there's like guys on street corners with little you know, jerry cans full of full of petrol selling them for double or something.
00:10:32
Speaker 4: That's right.
00:10:33
Speaker 3: So the goal of is to try and use more of the things that we know we can do rather than trying to something new, I think, because that's where we're going to have trouble when we have when we're trying to implement something new, anything we're trying to say you have to try and restrict or you're very restrictive, people will try and find ways around. We better define solutions that people can actually vibely take. And yeah, those are the things. Some of those we have now I guess we need more of them. And but those are the things that work.
00:11:01
Speaker 2: What about do you reckon if the government was given the opportunity to open up the CRL a bit earlier, for example, would that help it?
00:11:09
Speaker 3: What in sense that it provides more incentive to youth public transport, so you know there is it provides new two use stations in the city center. It makes it easier to travel and particularly from the Western line, so that would encourage more people to use the train. So if we could open that up earlier, that would be fantastic. There are other pecks, There are other considerations that are affecting that, like testing and making sure those are all working and that the neboos operating properly, and how that directs with the freight trains and what have you. So if we can get that open sooner, the sooner we can.
00:11:43
Speaker 4: Do that, they're better really from my point of view.
00:11:45
Speaker 2: When it comes to longer term fixes. You mentioned electric vehicles. They currently make up about what fifteen percent of new sales now or they're about say, they're up to about.
00:11:55
Speaker 3: Fifteen percent of sales prior to when the government removed the clean can't discampt that in twenty twenty three they've dropped off now.
00:12:01
Speaker 4: To more like four percent. Ounds so it had picked up from about.
00:12:07
Speaker 3: Four percent to about fifteen percent with their clean cut discounts now back to about four percent.
00:12:12
Speaker 4: Quick numbers.
00:12:13
Speaker 3: It would suggest that had that discount continued at that rate would continue, we'ld have about a thirty thousand more electric vehicles on our roads now, possibly more because it probably would have continued to grow. That would be thirty thousand households that no longer are stressing about what the price of petrol is that's a small number in the grand scheme of how many vehicles we have on our roads, but every bit will help and helping me, helping people get around and helping the economy continue being less affected and so encouraging Moving back to encouraging more people to buy an EV, whether that be through some sort of rebate scheme that or have you, there's something that the government should definitely be considering long term. Other countries that have done that in Norway, for example, I think are up to like ninety percent of sales evs now from from those sort of roommates and what have you.
00:13:04
Speaker 4: So those are the sort of things we should be doing long term.
00:13:07
Speaker 3: But there's going to be a challenge, particularly in the short term, because there's going to be a lot of demand to while those guys is not going to be a lot of stock in the country, and it's going to be hard. I'm getting from from vehicle important, it's gonna be hard to get their stock them because every other country is going to want to be clamoring for these now as much as possible.
00:13:23
Speaker 1: Why did the government get rid of the clean car discount?
00:13:27
Speaker 3: Essentially they thought it was a cultural Actually they didn't. They didn't want to be encouraging electory vehicles as much.
00:13:33
Speaker 1: Right, so, like the whole greenies are going to be getting this discount. You know, it's all about climate change, except.
00:13:39
Speaker 3: We opposed that, so will rumor of it, and so it is essentially that the guests of it, so that.
00:13:44
Speaker 4: They need to get over there.
00:13:45
Speaker 3: Same with things like speed limits, that will be a challenging thing for them to want to do because they're trying to increase speed limits. That these are the sort of things that could that could be done that could both long term and short term help reduce usage. You know, it doesn't mean that they have to stay away foreman, but those are the things we could do to reduce that youth and get more out of the fuel that we've got.
00:14:07
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Matt.
00:14:09
Speaker 4: That's right.
00:14:12
Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage at enzidherld dot co dot enz The Front Page is hosted and produced by me Chelsea Daniels.
00:14:26
Speaker 1: Caine.
00:14:26
Speaker 2: Dickie is our studio operator, Richard Martin, our producer and editor, and our executive producer is Jane Ye, follow the front page on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts, and join us next time for another look beyond the headlines.
Speaker 1: Kielda.
00:00:06
Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. If you're old enough then you'll remember there was a time when every key we household had to pick a week day where they wouldn't drive. Carlos Days were introduced in nineteen seventy nine as an attempt to reduce petrol consumption amid a global oil shock thanks to the Iranian Revolution. The scheme was short lived. It was scrapped in nineteen eighty after it achieved only a minimal reduction in petrol use. So why are we hearing about it again now if it failed so miserably and are there alternatives that we should be looking at closer Today? On the Front Page, transport commentator and Greater Auckland director Matt Lowry is with us to break down the idea and maybe what others there are as petrol prices continue to rise. First off, Matt, tell me what you know about carless days.
00:01:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea of kind of stays comes from the late seventies, when the last time there was an issue you have more in a round and it relates to earlier that you have a pass or when you can drive your car and you can only drive your car on certain days of the week, so you know, you might only better travel on a Monday and a Wednesday and a Friday instead of Tuesday and Thursday.
00:01:37
Speaker 4: And the idea is to encourage a reduction and oil use.
00:01:41
Speaker 2: And so did it work.
00:01:43
Speaker 3: Not really a significant number of people that would get exemptions for it. And that was back in a time when most households in New Zealand still only had one car. That's quite different now and many households have two or even more cars in them, and so if could quite be a scenario where you know, even with a carle Stays implemented that people have different days and they're still able to travel around and use those additional cars to continue traveling is normally I think the goal, the goal overall.
00:02:15
Speaker 4: Is to reduce usage, but we need to so.
00:02:17
Speaker 3: We need to think about other ways that we can we can reduce pigal use so that or fuel use so that we can make what with what stops we've got lasts longer.
00:02:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean whenever the government tries to implementment something like this, there are always people looking for those loopholes, right, Like you mentioned, those two car households probably got away with a lot.
00:02:37
Speaker 2: But I suppose in terms of if we would implement it now the I understand that there was a bit of forgery going on, so you had a ticket in your car or something saying yeah, I can drive this car every day except Wednesday, for example.
00:02:51
Speaker 1: But nowadays, with technology.
00:02:53
Speaker 2: It would be that portion at least would be a bit easier to try.
00:02:56
Speaker 4: Okay, well you think.
00:02:58
Speaker 3: So, but that we require significant enforcement, and yeah, there's there's plenty of other things that we need police or other agencies doing that is not enforcing when you when and where you can drive, you know, without rolling out significant technology to automate that.
00:03:16
Speaker 4: And again that significant COSSM would take a long time. It wouldn't. That's not a short term solution.
00:03:20
Speaker 3: So it doesn't sound to me like something that is going to be a quick win for reducing fuel use. And yeah, maybe if we were thinking longer about it, we might be able to do something, but I don't think it's certainly nothing that's going to be in place for in the next few months or weeks or months.
00:03:39
Speaker 1: Right, So when the government says they're looking into it, they're like, well, yeah, we're looking into it, but it's probably not going to happen. Hey, what else do you reckon they should be looking into right now?
00:03:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there are a couple of other things that would be practical for a short term solution, you know, and we saw with COVID that if there's a sort of rallying together and we can work together type scenario, people will accept it. But things that could reduce for your use might be things like reducing speed limits on our state highways, you know, reducing it from one hundred down to eighty klometers and now we'll make travel to take a little bit longer, not too much, but that does reduce fuel use. Particularly after eighty kilometers, vehicles start to be more air resistance and burning more fuel to travel the same distance. So that could be a way to reduce take a few percent twints off the level of fuel use, and that might help extend extend things we do need to be encouraging more walking and cycling, more public transport in our studies where that's possible. Those are the things that you know, we can encourage people to change how they travel. We should be looking at for businesses that can encouraging more work from home. Again, you know a lot of businesses that have shift that started to shift back to mortar being in the office a lot more still not necessarily what it was proprior to COVID, but the technology exists that the a lot of people are still doing it quite significantly and I am today you know we're working from home. Maybe maybe an extra day working from home median might be a way to reduce fuel use for people traveling and if you're not public transport, walking and slight things are great options. You know, we could support that with more things like pop up bike lands in some places, many of our cities Auckland will into approaches have been expanding there. There there's slightly networks and we could we could encourage that further other things also is a lot of there's a lot of freight that could potentially.
00:05:32
Speaker 4: Move to the round network that we could encourage. That might require more funding for key.
00:05:37
Speaker 3: Are hole to get more staff and pay more staff throughout those times to operate those trains and process all that. But that could be an option for getting more for it because rail threat is more efficient in terms of your use than trucking things around the country. That's not practical everywhere, but you know, those are sorts of things that we could we could do.
00:05:57
Speaker 4: And I guess the other thing is how can we encourage rapidly more electric vehicles. There's to be a bit hard.
00:06:06
Speaker 3: The world's going to be crying out for those as much as possible at the moment, so it's gonna be hard to get stocked in, I guess. But more electric vehicles, whether it be cars, electric bytes, you know, those literal trucks, all those sort of things, to get ol vehicle fully off fossil fuels, because there is really what's going to be you know, that's what's going to hold the economy to ransom as these fuel prices.
00:06:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are definitely some kind of short term fixes I suppose, like you said, and then those longer term like getting everyone over to evs. Petrels now topping what three dollars a leter that's over twice the real nineteen seventy nine peak adjusted for inflation, when they introduce the carless days. In terms of getting people onto public transports, say if the government tomorrow was like right to encourage people to get onto.
00:06:56
Speaker 2: The bus to go to work as opposed to driving and using fuel. We're going to make public transport costs free. Do you reckon our network can even hold that many consumers at once.
00:07:08
Speaker 3: Well, we're currently in the busiest time of the year with March madness, where most of the public transport networks are used the most. We're still seeing overall public transport use less than it was prior to COVID. So those networks have grown since then and have become better.
00:07:23
Speaker 4: And so.
00:07:25
Speaker 3: There is a lot of capacity within the network to carry more, and there is more that could be done.
00:07:29
Speaker 4: For example, we could extend it would.
00:07:31
Speaker 3: Require were again more funding to operate those buses and trains and all the rest of it, but we could extend the length of the peak hours peak time so that people might have to travel slightly later or slightly earlier, slightly later, but like people do for a cry and avoid congestion. There's a lot of capacity, particularly in the off peak, and we could also extend those peak hours into that a lot more.
00:07:54
Speaker 4: So there is significant capacity there.
00:07:55
Speaker 3: As sure, it's not going to be able to take everyone, and it's not going to be the only solution that's available, but it could certainly we could certainly do a lot more with the public transport capacity we've got. Typically after Easter public transport use and v or used here to drop off a little bit, So that will help easy bit of pressure that we can if we can continue sort of the March levels of public transport youth throughout later into the year, that we're taken against.
00:08:22
Speaker 4: The pressure off off the roads and off fuel use. The only day my daughter doesn't go to kindergarten, sweetly success post. If we don't have the car, if we don't know.
00:08:38
Speaker 1: Whose car on Tuesday, how will you get to work with?
00:08:42
Speaker 3: Oh, well, my husband can catch the bus.
00:08:44
Speaker 2: The human way to select the car stard is to select the day that causes one the least inconvenience. Surely, if they choose the day on which they use the car least, then carless days must be the least effective.
00:08:56
Speaker 4: We're of reducing federal consumption.
00:09:00
Speaker 1: Along with Carl stays, I suppose as a big headline the government's looking into it, but it probably won't won't go ahead, but it is one of those eye catching kind of things that we all go, oh, what if this happened in terms of rationing petrol in the past, How has that happened.
00:09:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea is that you might you might have a certain budget that you're able to use of fuel, so everyone has a has where account effectively of you're allowed that this mere leaders of fuel and you could obviously trade that or use it or buy it more from other people. That would work in some situations. Again, as how you'd set that scheme ut protecting rapidly to be able to implement that, and how you would monitor it and put that monitoring and enforcement in place, and that is always going to be the challenges.
00:09:50
Speaker 4: Anything that's going to require significant.
00:09:51
Speaker 3: Change like that that's apart from what we used to is going to take some time to set up and establish, which is why some of those other options like the public transfer walking asidely, like you know, just encouraging work from home are things that we can do now and we can we can get some success from because.
00:10:08
Speaker 4: You know, we could we could be starting that right now and help reduce our.
00:10:11
Speaker 3: Fuel usage for the next month or two before.
00:10:15
Speaker 4: Things get worse.
00:10:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, and those are all things that I guess doesn't mean that there will be like a wild West. I can I can imagine a scenario where we do ration petrol or something, and there's like guys on street corners with little you know, jerry cans full of full of petrol selling them for double or something.
00:10:32
Speaker 4: That's right.
00:10:33
Speaker 3: So the goal of is to try and use more of the things that we know we can do rather than trying to something new, I think, because that's where we're going to have trouble when we have when we're trying to implement something new, anything we're trying to say you have to try and restrict or you're very restrictive, people will try and find ways around. We better define solutions that people can actually vibely take. And yeah, those are the things. Some of those we have now I guess we need more of them. And but those are the things that work.
00:11:01
Speaker 2: What about do you reckon if the government was given the opportunity to open up the CRL a bit earlier, for example, would that help it?
00:11:09
Speaker 3: What in sense that it provides more incentive to youth public transport, so you know there is it provides new two use stations in the city center. It makes it easier to travel and particularly from the Western line, so that would encourage more people to use the train. So if we could open that up earlier, that would be fantastic. There are other pecks, There are other considerations that are affecting that, like testing and making sure those are all working and that the neboos operating properly, and how that directs with the freight trains and what have you. So if we can get that open sooner, the sooner we can.
00:11:43
Speaker 4: Do that, they're better really from my point of view.
00:11:45
Speaker 2: When it comes to longer term fixes. You mentioned electric vehicles. They currently make up about what fifteen percent of new sales now or they're about say, they're up to about.
00:11:55
Speaker 3: Fifteen percent of sales prior to when the government removed the clean can't discampt that in twenty twenty three they've dropped off now.
00:12:01
Speaker 4: To more like four percent. Ounds so it had picked up from about.
00:12:07
Speaker 3: Four percent to about fifteen percent with their clean cut discounts now back to about four percent.
00:12:12
Speaker 4: Quick numbers.
00:12:13
Speaker 3: It would suggest that had that discount continued at that rate would continue, we'ld have about a thirty thousand more electric vehicles on our roads now, possibly more because it probably would have continued to grow. That would be thirty thousand households that no longer are stressing about what the price of petrol is that's a small number in the grand scheme of how many vehicles we have on our roads, but every bit will help and helping me, helping people get around and helping the economy continue being less affected and so encouraging Moving back to encouraging more people to buy an EV, whether that be through some sort of rebate scheme that or have you, there's something that the government should definitely be considering long term. Other countries that have done that in Norway, for example, I think are up to like ninety percent of sales evs now from from those sort of roommates and what have you.
00:13:04
Speaker 4: So those are the sort of things we should be doing long term.
00:13:07
Speaker 3: But there's going to be a challenge, particularly in the short term, because there's going to be a lot of demand to while those guys is not going to be a lot of stock in the country, and it's going to be hard. I'm getting from from vehicle important, it's gonna be hard to get their stock them because every other country is going to want to be clamoring for these now as much as possible.
00:13:23
Speaker 1: Why did the government get rid of the clean car discount?
00:13:27
Speaker 3: Essentially they thought it was a cultural Actually they didn't. They didn't want to be encouraging electory vehicles as much.
00:13:33
Speaker 1: Right, so, like the whole greenies are going to be getting this discount. You know, it's all about climate change, except.
00:13:39
Speaker 3: We opposed that, so will rumor of it, and so it is essentially that the guests of it, so that.
00:13:44
Speaker 4: They need to get over there.
00:13:45
Speaker 3: Same with things like speed limits, that will be a challenging thing for them to want to do because they're trying to increase speed limits. That these are the sort of things that could that could be done that could both long term and short term help reduce usage. You know, it doesn't mean that they have to stay away foreman, but those are the things we could do to reduce that youth and get more out of the fuel that we've got.
00:14:07
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Matt.
00:14:09
Speaker 4: That's right.
00:14:12
Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage at enzidherld dot co dot enz The Front Page is hosted and produced by me Chelsea Daniels.
00:14:26
Speaker 1: Caine.
00:14:26
Speaker 2: Dickie is our studio operator, Richard Martin, our producer and editor, and our executive producer is Jane Ye, follow the front page on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts, and join us next time for another look beyond the headlines.
