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Hey, I pissed him off before we started recording,
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so you can rage bait the shit out of him pretty
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easily in this versus. Oh, I was already pissed
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off before we even started playing games. And
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then I pissed him off more, so it's like extra
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piss off. He's a piss boy. He's extra piss. He's
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pissy. I'm never pissy. I'm not pissy. I'm just
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mad when you cheat. What do you mean? You cheated
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last versus. I hope he dumpsters you. I know
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he's going to dumpster you. Do you even know
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what our characters are? I mean, I know what
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his is because he knows Legends like I do, and
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he picked the same shit that I would have picked.
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Yours is the Black Horse. I assume you both sent
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them to Brick. I sent mine. I can almost guarantee
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you that he never would have picked it. He doesn't
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know Legends shit, so of course he's not going
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to pick it. Hey, everyone, and welcome to our
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next installment of Versus. I'm still salty about
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my last defeat at the hands of Exotic, but hopefully
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my boy Winshi here. He ran off our brick 3PO
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moderator. It's not my fault. It's not my fault
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he can't handle the rage bait. I thought it was
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pretty clear that I was rage baiting. But I still
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thought it was funny. He's not here. Poor Brick.
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You're a dick most of the time, so understandable.
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Most of the time. Not all the time, though. But
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I will be functioning. Shut up. Shut up. Shut
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up. Eat shit. I hope you lose today. You deserve
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a loss. Anywho, I will be functioning as today's
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moderator for this. So we have our versus topics
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and everything ready. They've sent me their characters.
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So I'm going to go ahead and introduce both.
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On the hopefully winning side, we have Winchie,
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who has chosen Mara Jade Skywalker as his choice.
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And on the gay side, we have Exotic. who has
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chosen Emperor Palpatine. I feel like there's
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some bias already here. I promise there will
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be no bias. If you argue better, you win. The
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topics are going to be overall force ability,
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which includes techniques, mastery, and understanding
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of the force. The next one is natural speed,
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which is unenhanced. Then we have stealthiness,
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close quarters combat mastery, and charisma or
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being charismatic. With that being said, my two
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duelists, go at it. Before we start, I have one
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question. I have an answer. Hopefully. Enhanced.
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What do you mean by enhanced? Or unenhanced?
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Like, without the force. They're physical. That's
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what I figured. I just wanted to double check.
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I mean, your bitch sits in a fucking wheelchair,
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so I mean. I mean, he's a little decrepit. I
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kind of hate that. I'm fine with that. All right.
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That's one point for Mara Jade. Okay. Then we
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can go to overall force ability. I mean, I think
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Palps is the strongest Force user in the movies,
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at least. I don't know much about Legends, I
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know that's y 'all's forte, but I know he is
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by far the strongest Force user that is known
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in the Star Wars world. Okay, first of all...
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cap i don't even like hella cap so much cap first
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of all okay you're like i don't know legends
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but he's the most powerful in the star wars world
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no that but i know those two statements already
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conflict that i know of there was that in there
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too see the thing is you you know of characters
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in legends because we've already talked about
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them yeah but do i listen most time not really
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oh okay cool so we can just kick you oh shit
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if you want free up my sunday exotic is dead
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yeah you already tried to kill me once it's been
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like three times now every time you don't show
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up i just talk about how you uh talk about how
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you did he got seismic charged i mean helps trained
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marjade so like she has a bit of his talent And
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then Mara Jade trained with Luke for years and
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years and years. Luke was arguably way more powerful
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than Palpatine, definitely, in the later years
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of his life. And I mean, Mara was a master alongside
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him. She was also pretty fucking powerful. Mara
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almost beat Cadis, and Cadis was touted as being
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stronger than Vader was in the Force. And I mean,
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Vader killed Palpatine. Palpatine was afraid
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of that motherfucker. I still think Palpatine's
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stronger than Vader in the Force. Now let me
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make a small interjection here. It's just, it's
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overall force ability, not strength in the force.
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So this includes techniques, mastery, and understanding.
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God, Palpatine's understanding of the Force was
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insane. Hold on. Holding? Yeah, I can't really,
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I can't, I mean, he brought himself fucking back
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to life. I mean, that's kind of, it's kind of
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hard to top that. From what I don't really know.
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Mara Jade's feats are, Mara Jade's cool, but,
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like, she doesn't have that kind of repertoire.
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Yeah, he had, like, what, battle meditation,
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could fucking manipulate a whole bunch of fucking
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people at the same time. Fucking said no you
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to death like three times, I think. Twice. He'll
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probably come back at some point again. Let's
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be real. No one Disney. Okay, next topic. One
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for Palps, one for Marge. Do you want to go to
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stealthiness? It's the next one on the list.
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Sure. I mean, Palpatine fucking hit himself as
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a Sith in front of every single Jedi for years.
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That's true, but that's just masking your presence,
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okay? That's still stealth. That's literally
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the definition of stealth is masking your presence.
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No, no, no. See, there's a difference between,
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okay, being somebody who can blend in and somebody
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who's actually stealthy. Mara Jade was an assassin
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trained to be stealthy. Like, that's her whole
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deal. She's an assassin. She also was inside
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of the fucking Rebel Alliance, perfectly being
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played off as a rebel for the longest fucking
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time until Luke... Force pinged that bitch while
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they were in their X -Wings and he shot her ass
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down. Which is funny because they ended up getting,
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you know, married later. But, like, she can blend
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in too. She was trained by Palpatine to do that.
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But she's also an assassin on top of that. Okay,
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but she was found out. Palpatine was only found
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out whenever he fucking just straight up told
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Anakin. That's fair. They would have never found
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Palpatine if Anakin didn't open his mouth. I
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mean, Windu said in one of the meetings in the
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movie, the dark side surrounds the chancellor.
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So they kind of been new. Obviously, they could
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do about it because they didn't have proof, but
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they've been new. But how long was he over there,
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you know, doing his little rich gay guy routine?
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What other stealthy feats does he have? What
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other stealthy feats does Palpatine do? Like,
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what else he got? Other than the fact that he's
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just a good ass fucking... charismatic how many
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how many years how many years did he just talk
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to every single jedi and just like oh yeah nothing's
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wrong okay that's like the critical of stealthy
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again that's still being one thing that he did
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it just went for a long period of time i feel
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like stealthiness the longer it you're stealthed
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is a lot better than doing it here and that motherfucker
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can crouch and like crawl through some air ducts
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and shit his knees will break before he gets
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in there he don't need to that okay That's like
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infiltration. Yeah, that's part of being stealthy.
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I don't think infiltration is part of being stealthy.
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Okay, well then your whole point is invalid because
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he infiltrated the Galactic Senate. I'm talking
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about like physical infiltration. That was physical
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infiltration. He was there in the Senate. He's
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hiding in plain sight. He is hiding in plain
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sight. That is infiltration. You're talking about
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climbing through a fucking duct. Okay. I'm talking
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about sneaking aboard starships. I'm talking
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about assassinating key leaders of, you know,
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various organizations, the rebellion, whatever.
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How many times did she get caught? How many times
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did she get caught? Once, when she gets blown
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out the sky by Luke. How many times did Palpatine
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get caught? Once. He didn't get caught. He straight
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up just said, you know, he just, he revealed
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himself. She got fucked over by somebody else.
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That's being stupid. No, that's part of his grand
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plan. That's just Dekutla stuff right there.
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No, she got caught when she didn't want to get
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caught. He got caught when he wanted to get caught.
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That's the pinnacle of stealthiness. It's under
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his terms. She wasn't under her terms. If you
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read the novel, Palpatine was really fucking
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worried in that whole scene. Because Anakin was
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the linchpin to his whole plan. Exactly. He revealed
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himself. It was a very risky maneuver to reveal
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himself. He wasn't even going to do it. It was
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kind of a spur of the moment thing. He did it.
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And he... voluntarily got caught she got caught
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when she didn't want to get caught obviously
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her stealthiness is worse i think so i think
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so i mean if i'm hiding from somebody the only
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reason she got caught so so so is the same way
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that mace windu knew some shit was up with palpatine
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because he said the dark sides fucking surrounds
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that motherfucker right the only reason mara
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got shot down in her x -wing when she was flying
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with luke Was because the dark side was surrounding
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her. It's the same fucking shit. And Luke just
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surrendered himself to the force because so much
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crap was going on. And he just started taking
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down targets. Targets that had intent to kill
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his homies or bad intentions toward his homies.
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That's the same shit that Windu and Yoda and
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all of them were feeling whenever Palpatine was
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around. But she was taken down. He was only taken
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down on his accord. I mean, he got he got taken
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down until Anakin cut his arm off or Mace Windu's
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arm off. Boy was dead to rights. I don't know.
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I think she. No, no, I know. Because she got
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caught. He didn't get caught. He only got he.
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revealed himself i wouldn't even say got caught
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she got caught in her actions he did not no no
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he definitely he definitely got caught in his
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actions nope he revealed jedi masters walked
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into his office and said we're here to arrest
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you motherfucker all right we'll go to the close
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quarter combat mastery and circle back to stealthiness
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because that motherfucker took down for fucking
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jedi no matter what i didn't say lightsaber mastery
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that's a different topic it's close quarters
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combat that's a different that's what lightsabers
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are that's what lightsabers are of course close
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quarters combat Close quarters combat is hand
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-to -hand combat. No, it doesn't say hand -to
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-hand. Because we have a lightsaber mastery category.
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It doesn't say hand -to -hand. It just says close
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quarters combat. Okay, moderator interjection.
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This was specified by Brick3PO that those two
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are different. Close quarters combat is referenced
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to hand -to -hand, not lightsaber. There's a
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separate category for that. Thank you, moderator.
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Get fucked, okay? Mara Jade is an assassin. She
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is a close quarters specialist because that bitch
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is supposed to get in and beat the fuck out of
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somebody real fast and get out. She can fight
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without a lightsaber all day throwing hands.
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How many hands is fucking Palpatine gonna throw
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before you break his neck on accident? I mean,
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Palpatine did throw hands with Maul and Savage
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in the Clone Wars series. He used his lightsaber
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most of the time, but he still threw hands with
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them. Okay, but he did use his lightsaber, right?
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At some point, yeah. But he did throw hands with
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them. Okay. marj beats the fuck out of so many
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people before she ever even uses a lightsaber
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she was trained to be an assassin she was trained
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in hand -to -hand combat by palpatine and his
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fucking royal guards all right i'll give you
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close course combat since thank you you know
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y 'all want to bullshit it um well y 'all there's
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only one of me i know we don't talk about bullshit
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after last it's only one of us well fine we'll
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go to charisma palpatine wins that shit he's
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one of the most charismatic politicians there
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is He's the king of manipulation. I mean, Mara
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Jade, look, people love Luke, right? Okay. Mara
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Jade got shot down by Luke and still managed
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to get in that man's pants. That's pretty charismatic.
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But Palpatine got in the pants of pretty much
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the entire Senate. I ain't see him running around
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with it. You don't know that. Definitely in the
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kid's dreams. I'm pretty sure the only kids that
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Palpatine had were clones. Ray's parents were
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clones. Charismatic doesn't just mean about fucking.
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Okay, and? He was in the pockets of everybody.
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Everybody just, you know, he could manipulate
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with his pure charm the entire fucking Senate
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if he wanted, which he did. That's how he got
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fucking power. That's how he got power to fucking
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start Order 66 and control all the clones. You
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right. You right. I still gotta argue against
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it. All I'm saying was, if you've read the books
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that Marjade's in, She's just as good at playing
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off being charismatic, playing off being a politician,
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playing off being a high whatever, whatever you
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want to call it, high ranking official or whatever.
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She's very good at it. It's kind of her whole
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thing because, you know, she's a assassin and
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a stealth infiltration specialist. That's what
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she'd be doing. But she didn't manipulate her.
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She didn't manipulate entire populations. I'm
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pretty sure she did, actually. I think I can
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pull up a reference even. On the scale that Palpatine
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did? I mean, I'm talking like planetary scale.
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Palpatine was like galaxy scale. Well, no, he
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was mostly just manipulating the members of the
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Senate. Which are representatives of the galaxy.
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Okay, that doesn't mean they smart. They don't
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gotta be smart. He's charismatic. That doesn't
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mean they're strong -willed. That doesn't mean
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that he didn't just use the force to get them
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to do what he wanted them to do. Which he did.
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Sometimes. Not all the time. He was very charismatic.
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As a, what, Nabooian politician to start? Hey,
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Brick3PO replacement, how many members of the
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Senate were there? I don't even get a name. I
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don't even get a fucking name. You ran him off.
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You are Brick3PO's replacement today. Jesus.
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What was the question again? How many members
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of the Senate are there? I believe they base
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it off a megabyte. So if I remember correctly,
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it's 1024. OK, great. So he manipulated a thousand
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people. That's it. Some of them with the force.
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So we're going to say, you know, less than a
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thousand people in the Senate that he charismatically,
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quote unquote, manipulated or with. Oh, wait,
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hold on. Hold on. I made a mistake. There was.
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1024 Senate pods and two senators per Senate
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pod. So 2040. OK, great. Even that's still only
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2000 people. And then he manipulate the leaders
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of the the CIS. Not really. That was mostly Dooku.
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They just knew he was kind of pulling the strings
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behind his back. I mean, he manipulated Dooku.
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He didn't really have to. Dooku was willingly
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his apprentice. Exactly, because he was manipulated
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by an archetype. He was like, hey, come get some
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power, and Dooku was like, Papa, you say? And
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then he was like, hey, you get to be racist,
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and Dooku was like, racist, you say? This is
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correct. Can't verify. Very much true. There's
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a quote in the book where basically Palpatine
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told Dooku that... He was going to get rid of
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all the fucking aliens from all the positions
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of power. That's not even the most fucked up
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racist thing that Dooku did. Dooku, when he got
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his hands chopped off by Anakin, his first thought
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was not, oh shit, I'm about to die. It was, oh
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shit, I'm a cripple and less of a human. All
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I'm saying is Mara Jade is a master spy. Palpatine,
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A, used the force for a lot of his shit. Yes,
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he was a little bit charismatic, you know, moving
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his way up. Definitely not a little bit. But
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I mean, it's a little bit. I mean, he only had
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to, you know, manipulate 2 ,000 people. It's
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not that many. And did he really have to manipulate
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half of them when they don't even speak Galactic
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Basic? And he had to manipulate pretty much all
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of Naboo to get elected as Senator of Naboo.
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He was already born into a wealthy family. He
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was already at the top of the totem pole. I mean,
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plenty of people that are not hated. Plagueis
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totally helped him do that whole thing. Most
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of that was honestly Plagueis. I thought Plagueis
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was gone by the time he got elected. As a senator,
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yes. As a chancellor, no. Wait, no. Your statement
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was backwards. Because you said, I thought Plagueis
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was gone. Plagueis was alive. Okay, what I was
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trying to say was Plagueis was alive while Palpatine
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was a senator. And as a chancellor, he wasn't.
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Plagueis helped him get into that position on
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Naboo. He might have done the other stuff in
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the Galactic Senate. But getting that position
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on Naboo was not on his own. Okay, but he still
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did it. Okay. I mean, when there's two candidates
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and half your people are one party, like... It's
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not hard. It's a 50 -50. Okay, but what's half
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of the population of Naboo? That's a good question.
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Breakthrough IPO replacement. The population
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of Naboo is estimated at 4 .5 billion. So he
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manipulated 2 billion people as well? However,
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when he was elected senator, was it... Wait,
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wait. For that fact, 72 % of that 4 .5 billion
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is Gungan, and the Gungans were not voting in
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all of the Naboo politics and stuff. Okay, well,
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what's Brick Replacement? What is 27 % of 4 .5
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billion? Goddammit, I hate all of you. Like,
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1 .15 billion or so. So, a little over 500 million?
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Brick 3PO Replacement, when he was running for
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Senate position... You dug this grave. You made
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this bed. And now you get to lie in it. Brick
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3PO replacement. What? How many people were actually
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voting? Were they even voting for him in that
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senatorial election? Or was it just an appointment
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by the Queen of Naboo? He was elected. It was
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not an appointment. Who was his opponent? It
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doesn't say who he ran. It says who he ran for
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against Chancellor, not on who he ran for for
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the senatorial position. So some nobody not even
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important enough to name versus a rich, wealthy
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member of the. If they are running for Senate
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there. Probably still rich, wealthy, and a member
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of the Naboo upper class. You don't know that.
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That's correct. His statement is correct. You're
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the one that said it's like the only reason that
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he got to that position because he was rich,
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wealthy, and a part of the upper class. Okay,
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the other guy didn't get the position. But the
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other guy was still... in that same category
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to be able to get into the position to even run
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for it. Maybe. It definitely wasn't just some
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fucking Joe Schmoe off the street or a fucking
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Gungan. I think we've lost the point for fighting
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the charismatic. Do you guys have any final words
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for your arguments on who should win this versus?
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Wait, how many topics did we go through? Almost
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all of them. Yeah. Mara got caught. Palpatine
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revealed himself. That's the federal crime. Does
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a RICO really count if you don't ever go to court
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for it? Because Palpatine never really went to
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court. I mean, Mara didn't go to court either.
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She just got shot down. All right, so I'm going
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to take that as no other arguments for the topics
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at hand. All I'm saying is Mara is a trained
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assassin in hand -to -hand combat, in infiltration,
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in sneaking her ass in places. She was trained
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by Palpatine. So she's got some of them skills.
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She learned from the guy how to do all of these
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things. Yeah, but obviously she lived well enough
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because she got caught. She lived longer. Did
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she though? Yeah. Did she revive herself three
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times? Didn't have to. All right, so I'm gonna
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go ahead and explain who won each category and
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give my reasoning. So starting with overall force
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ability, I have to give this one to Palpatine,
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of course, just because I feel like Palpatine's
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repertoire definitely was more than Mara's and
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Exotic kind of showed that in his case. You kind
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of admitted that she learned most of her, at
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least dark side prowess from Palpatine. And we
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all know that Palpatine was definitely not teaching
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her everything. so that there was no chance that
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she could thwart him. Not only was Palpatine
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skilled in using the dark side of the Force,
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but also in dark side alchemy, as we see in the
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Clone Wars. So I'm definitely giving overall
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Force ability, techniques, mastery, and understanding
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to Palpatine because of that. For natural speed,
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this one doesn't need much explanation. Mara
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was a fit, fine badass, and Palpatine looked
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like a monkey scrotum. So clearly... Mara's taking
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the natural speed stealthiness was really kind
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of hard to decide who who would win on I think
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that when she fought very well to defend Mara
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but there's something absolutely galactically
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minded deviousness of palpatine to be able to
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hide in plain sight in front of not millions
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not billions but trillions of faces as the supreme
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chancellor of the republic to be able to rise
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into being the emperor and the you know a culmination
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of thousand years of sith mastery so i'm gonna
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have to give stealthiness to to palpatine i mean
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he was right under their fucking noses and they
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may have been aware of the dark side but they
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didn't necessarily know that he was the sith
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or that he was the source of the dark side clouding
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of the Jedi until Anakin kind of snitched. I
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will say just to the point of talking about Palpatine
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and Mara getting caught, Mara did get caught,
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but I will also say that Palpatine most certainly
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got caught also because he was going to try to
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play it off when the Jedi Masters entered his
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office. But once he was deemed arrested, he had
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that quote, so it's treason then, you know? So
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he definitely got caught. Close quarters combat.
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is again going to have to be given to Mara for
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the obvious reasons. Because again, fit fine
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badass, but also trained to be a close quarters
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combat expert. I mean, trained multiple contingents
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of not only badass stormtroopers, but did some
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training for the rebels. And of course, she did
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training for some of the younger Padawans on
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Yavin 4 after Luke establishes his academy. So
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definitely think she's taking that one just for
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her physical stature. And then as far as charismatic
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goes, though, I will say that Mara Jade was definitely
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a charismatic Jedi, Jedi master. I don't think
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that she's beating Palpatine when it comes to
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charisma. He was very much known as like the
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father figure, not just to Anakin, but to people
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who interacted with him. And I believe that.
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exotic made a very good point of saying like
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not only did he have to sway the senate but the
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senate is also thinking about like the senators
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at least are thinking about their constituents
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so just by means if the huh no they're not what
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do you mean you think your senators are thinking
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about your constituents okay i'm going off the
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definition of a republic they're representing
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their constituents that doesn't mean that's how
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it worked in practice which we saw yeah but they
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get bullied into voting for whatever he wanted
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you have to have we've seen that in the media
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You have to have a certain degree of charisma
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to be able to sway people. Or fear mongering.
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It wasn't fear mongering. It was not fear mongering
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until after he became the emperor. Supreme Chancellor
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Palpatine was most certainly not fear mongering.
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Otherwise, he would have gotten booted out for
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sure before any of this went down. Not only that,
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but I mean, if you think about like the war powers
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resolution and the powers that he was granted
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from the Senate because they loved him so much,
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they were willing to give him these extra powers
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that allowed him to rise to emperor. You have
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to be charismatic to be able to do that. marj
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was not doing charisma on that kind of scale
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like i will say within her own community she
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was probably most certainly the most charismatic
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person there even if you see like with the i
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forget what their name was but those five stormtroopers
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that she trained i definitely believe that they
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viewed her as charismatic and within her own
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community but not on the scale that palpatine
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was so i have to give that to palpatine as well
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so i just want to preface for the viewers that
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um before this recording ever started and i have
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receipts uh i was told that if exotic picked
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palpatine i just lost because my ref is impartial
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i am impartial i am impartial i literally i don't
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want it you know i don't but you know i don't
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referee you know i don't want this exotic to
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win that i was gonna lose coming into this Because
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he ran Brick 3PO off. But you knew. This was
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rigged from the start. Literally, I started.
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Talk about fucking cheating. Literally, I started
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this thing by saying, I hope when she wins. This
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motherfucker spent 20 minutes complaining about
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how his ref was biased. And then he comes in.
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And I have the receipts. I'll post them, bitches.
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Post the receipts. I ain't scared. I'll say it
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again. But you can't sit here and say that I
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wanted Exotic to win. Do you know how much this
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pains me? I didn't say you wanted him to win.
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I said you said I would lose if he picked Palpatine.
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I didn't say you wanted him to win. I mean, he
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argued it well. If he didn't argue it well, this
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motherfucker can't argue. He tried to tell me
00:24:11.380 --> 00:24:14.779
that Carrie Fisher was less attractive than fucking
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Revan Pixels. Like, I know this bitch can't argue.
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I was expecting you to come with some better
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shit. I'm sorry you disappointed me. the fuck
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am i supposed to come with i don't know you already
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told me i have no chance if calpatine is the
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choice i wanted you to win and then you ran off
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our referee brick 3po replacement motherfucker
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to be fair i did not run him off yes you did
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he said he said you read him off No, he said,
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I could just leave. And I didn't say, okay, just
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leave. I said, wow, you can't handle the rage
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baiting, it seems. You said that after that.
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You already knew that he's studying for his fucking
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finals. He has better things to do than sit here
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and get fucking rage baited. I didn't know he
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was studying for his finals. Yes, you did. Yes,
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you did. No, I didn't. He posted in the fucking
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chat last night. What chat? The fucking Magic
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the Gathering chat. You mean the one that I have
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muted? The one that you responded. The one that
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I have completely muted because you guys talk
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too much. You have everything muted. No, I don't.
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I don't have your server muted. I certainly don't
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look at it, but I definitely have that. I muted
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that chat the second I joined. And he told us
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last week at the end of our recording that he
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was going to be studying for it this weekend.
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So you're just wasting his time and pissing him
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off when he's got better things to be doing.
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And you just ran him off. And you expect me to
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remember that. He literally said when you were
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arguing with him, I could just go study. And
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then he left. There was nothing else I could
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say to him at that point. Except I'm sorry, but
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you won't do that. What type of finals do droids
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have? He's got to get his fucking certification
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so he's allowed to work on spaceships. Come on,
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we're not spaceships. We're an in -universe podcast.
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Okay, we're in -universe right now. Shut your
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bitch ass up. And also, this certification would
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give him the qualification to work on spaceships
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at NASA. Why are you so heated about this? Jesus.
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You don't piss me off today. Why did I piss you
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off? Well, first Exotic pissed me off, then you
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pissed me off, and then you pissed me off again.
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How did I piss you off again? I understand the
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first with the magic cards. And then you ran
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off our ref. By being the same person I always
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am. That's not my fault. What did I do? Nothing.
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Fucking changed the time of this shit like three
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times. I have fucking plans. I changed my plans
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three times. He's just mad. The loss probably
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doesn't help either. Anyway. See, I told you
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at the start. I scoop. I scoop. It was over from
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the start. It wasn't over from the start. It
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was over by the end, though. It was, too. It
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was not. It was too. I really thought you would
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have a better argument for stealthiness. What
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the fuck else am I going to argue? She's a fucking
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master spy and assassin. Okay, let me explain
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it like this. This motherfucker doesn't know
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shit about legends. The second you said, oh,
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she was caught by Luke Skywalker and blown out
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the sky, I was like, this motherfucker is dumb.
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It's a fact. But why would you mention it? why
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because i'm not a sleazebag it's not about being
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a sleazebag one i also forgot about that too
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though but like the second you said that i was
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:16.720
like well shit like she failed being a stealth
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op also he argued that infiltration was not part
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of being stealthy which means the entire argument
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about him infiltrating the fucking senate And
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both sides of the fucking galactic civil war
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is completely moot, which is the exact argument
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that you used for him winning that category.
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I didn't say, I didn't say anything about infiltration.
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You said him tricking all the motherfuckers.
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I said hiding in plain sight is not, that's not
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infiltrating. That's hiding in plain sight. You
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just rephrased the thing that he argued wasn't
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part of being stealthy. To be fair, I did say,
00:27:47.769 --> 00:27:49.829
I only brought up the infiltration thing whenever
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you talk about crawling through vents. Like in
00:27:51.809 --> 00:27:53.809
terms of infiltrating, you were talking about.
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Like going into some place physically and like
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sneaking around. That's stealthy. That's physical
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infiltration. You don't have to physically infiltrate
00:28:01.779 --> 00:28:04.619
things to infiltrate. But he argued after I said
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that, that infiltration was not part of it. Well,
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that part of infiltration. That's what I was
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saying. You didn't say that. Yes, I did. Not
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not when we were arguing. You said I said the
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physical infiltration. He said that motherfucker
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is not crawling through Vincent. Oh, yeah. And
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then I said and then I said he was physically
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infiltrating the Senate. Which was correct. You're
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playing semantics here. I do remember saying
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that. You're playing semantics here, though.
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:28.880
That's your game. You're the ref. So yeah, I'm
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playing that game. There's only one way to infiltrate
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a body as the Senate and it's with your person
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because you have to campaign. Physically infiltrating
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the Senate would be like fucking crawling through
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the vents in the Senate hall and then just sitting
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on one of the fucking platforms or some shit.
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So we can argue that Yoda was better than him
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at it. Yeah. Physically infiltrating. Because
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he was small and green. And I thought I was mad
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after I was robbed. I thought I was mad. This
00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:00.079
motherfucker makes me look like I was calm after
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I lost to Exotic. Jesus. It's frustrating to
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lose to him, right? Because it's bullshit. What
00:29:05.579 --> 00:29:09.630
do you mean? This was not a grand ploy to teach
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you a lesson or anything. I literally did not
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want him to win. I thought I was very clear about
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that. So you went in already biased. You cannot
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be the ref. If Rick 3PO ain't here, we ain't
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doing versus. I was going to acquiesce. He left.
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The second he was like, I'm unbiased, and you
00:29:26.910 --> 00:29:28.509
were like, he should be ref, I was like, okay,
00:29:28.670 --> 00:29:30.750
let me finish my raid bait. I mean, I did go
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in with Palpatine, knowing there's very few characters
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that I know of that would win in overall force
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ability and charisma. The other three was kind
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of tossed in the air. We knew. I literally told
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him, I was like, he's picking Anakin Skywalker,
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and then we were talking about it, and then I
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was like, oh, the only one that he could really
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pick to beat you is Palpatine. Yeah, that's why
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I... When I was searching for characters, I was
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looking for characters that I could guarantee
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win at least two, and then I could fight over
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one more to suede. And so Annie, I was like,
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okay, he's pretty charismatic, but he's not as
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charismatic as Palpatine. His Force ability,
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you know, he's the chosen one, yeah, but Palpatine
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would still fuck him up in it. And just his understanding
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of the Force. I think he would have won overall
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Force ability, natural speed, and close quarters
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combat. That motherfucker was far from stealthy.
00:30:15.380 --> 00:30:18.400
He was also the hero of the Clone Wars, so you
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could have argued charismatic. Yeah, I mean,
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everybody loved him, but he wasn't as snide and
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conniving as Palpatine. Yeah, well, unfortunately,
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you've won once again. And I hate it here. And
00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:31.059
I'm getting yelled at as Rick3PO's replacement.
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Rick3PO is showing so much more respect in this.
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Because he is an impartial, unbiased referee.
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You threw in facts about the characters in your
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analysis at the end that neither of us brought
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up. Yes. That was just going off what I knew.
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And then I said... Uh -huh, and Brick3PO only
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goes off the facts that we give him during the
00:30:52.460 --> 00:30:55.019
argument because he don't know shit. Yes, but
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what I was using those facts for was literally
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to show how it related to the points that both
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of you made. Bringing in outside information
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.339
to make his final decision. Judging off the last
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time Brick was the judge between me and Nikita,
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I think I still would have won. Because Brick
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actually listened to half of the points I made.
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Are you saying I don't listen to half the points
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.279
you made? Yes. You don't listen to half the things
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I say. You're the one who does that. I listened
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to everything both of y 'all said. I even sat
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here. I wanted to interject many times. I didn't.
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All right. Well, unfortunately, Exotics won when
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she's lost. He's mad at me. Brick's mad at me.
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Exotics is probably mad at me, but for unrelated
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.680
reasons. I'm chilling. Oh, never mind. Okay.
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We won on one front. And I don't hate me today.
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So it's 2 -2. Nice point there. Give it a day.
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I'll give you the day. But that has been the
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three. this shut up this has been this week's
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versus until then peace out girl scouts and we'll
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see you then later hunter i mean when she did
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he go okay no good you fucking just call me i
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said when she can't even get my damn name right
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i said when she immediately after just say bye
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bitch all right bitch say say your sign off
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Hey, I pissed him off before we started recording,
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so you can rage bait the shit out of him pretty
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easily in this versus. Oh, I was already pissed
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off before we even started playing games. And
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then I pissed him off more, so it's like extra
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piss off. He's a piss boy. He's extra piss. He's
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pissy. I'm never pissy. I'm not pissy. I'm just
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mad when you cheat. What do you mean? You cheated
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last versus. I hope he dumpsters you. I know
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he's going to dumpster you. Do you even know
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what our characters are? I mean, I know what
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his is because he knows Legends like I do, and
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he picked the same shit that I would have picked.
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Yours is the Black Horse. I assume you both sent
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them to Brick. I sent mine. I can almost guarantee
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you that he never would have picked it. He doesn't
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know Legends shit, so of course he's not going
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to pick it. Hey, everyone, and welcome to our
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next installment of Versus. I'm still salty about
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my last defeat at the hands of Exotic, but hopefully
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my boy Winshi here. He ran off our brick 3PO
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moderator. It's not my fault. It's not my fault
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he can't handle the rage bait. I thought it was
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pretty clear that I was rage baiting. But I still
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thought it was funny. He's not here. Poor Brick.
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You're a dick most of the time, so understandable.
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Most of the time. Not all the time, though. But
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I will be functioning. Shut up. Shut up. Shut
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up. Eat shit. I hope you lose today. You deserve
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a loss. Anywho, I will be functioning as today's
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moderator for this. So we have our versus topics
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and everything ready. They've sent me their characters.
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So I'm going to go ahead and introduce both.
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On the hopefully winning side, we have Winchie,
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who has chosen Mara Jade Skywalker as his choice.
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And on the gay side, we have Exotic. who has
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chosen Emperor Palpatine. I feel like there's
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some bias already here. I promise there will
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be no bias. If you argue better, you win. The
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topics are going to be overall force ability,
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which includes techniques, mastery, and understanding
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of the force. The next one is natural speed,
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which is unenhanced. Then we have stealthiness,
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close quarters combat mastery, and charisma or
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being charismatic. With that being said, my two
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duelists, go at it. Before we start, I have one
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question. I have an answer. Hopefully. Enhanced.
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What do you mean by enhanced? Or unenhanced?
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Like, without the force. They're physical. That's
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what I figured. I just wanted to double check.
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I mean, your bitch sits in a fucking wheelchair,
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so I mean. I mean, he's a little decrepit. I
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kind of hate that. I'm fine with that. All right.
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That's one point for Mara Jade. Okay. Then we
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can go to overall force ability. I mean, I think
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Palps is the strongest Force user in the movies,
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at least. I don't know much about Legends, I
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know that's y 'all's forte, but I know he is
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by far the strongest Force user that is known
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in the Star Wars world. Okay, first of all...
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cap i don't even like hella cap so much cap first
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of all okay you're like i don't know legends
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but he's the most powerful in the star wars world
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no that but i know those two statements already
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conflict that i know of there was that in there
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too see the thing is you you know of characters
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in legends because we've already talked about
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them yeah but do i listen most time not really
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oh okay cool so we can just kick you oh shit
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if you want free up my sunday exotic is dead
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yeah you already tried to kill me once it's been
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like three times now every time you don't show
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up i just talk about how you uh talk about how
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you did he got seismic charged i mean helps trained
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marjade so like she has a bit of his talent And
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then Mara Jade trained with Luke for years and
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years and years. Luke was arguably way more powerful
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than Palpatine, definitely, in the later years
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of his life. And I mean, Mara was a master alongside
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him. She was also pretty fucking powerful. Mara
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almost beat Cadis, and Cadis was touted as being
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stronger than Vader was in the Force. And I mean,
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Vader killed Palpatine. Palpatine was afraid
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of that motherfucker. I still think Palpatine's
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stronger than Vader in the Force. Now let me
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make a small interjection here. It's just, it's
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overall force ability, not strength in the force.
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So this includes techniques, mastery, and understanding.
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God, Palpatine's understanding of the Force was
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insane. Hold on. Holding? Yeah, I can't really,
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I can't, I mean, he brought himself fucking back
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to life. I mean, that's kind of, it's kind of
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hard to top that. From what I don't really know.
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Mara Jade's feats are, Mara Jade's cool, but,
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like, she doesn't have that kind of repertoire.
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Yeah, he had, like, what, battle meditation,
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could fucking manipulate a whole bunch of fucking
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people at the same time. Fucking said no you
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to death like three times, I think. Twice. He'll
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probably come back at some point again. Let's
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be real. No one Disney. Okay, next topic. One
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for Palps, one for Marge. Do you want to go to
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stealthiness? It's the next one on the list.
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Sure. I mean, Palpatine fucking hit himself as
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a Sith in front of every single Jedi for years.
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That's true, but that's just masking your presence,
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okay? That's still stealth. That's literally
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the definition of stealth is masking your presence.
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No, no, no. See, there's a difference between,
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okay, being somebody who can blend in and somebody
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who's actually stealthy. Mara Jade was an assassin
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trained to be stealthy. Like, that's her whole
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deal. She's an assassin. She also was inside
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of the fucking Rebel Alliance, perfectly being
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played off as a rebel for the longest fucking
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time until Luke... Force pinged that bitch while
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they were in their X -Wings and he shot her ass
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down. Which is funny because they ended up getting,
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you know, married later. But, like, she can blend
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in too. She was trained by Palpatine to do that.
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But she's also an assassin on top of that. Okay,
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but she was found out. Palpatine was only found
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out whenever he fucking just straight up told
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Anakin. That's fair. They would have never found
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Palpatine if Anakin didn't open his mouth. I
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mean, Windu said in one of the meetings in the
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movie, the dark side surrounds the chancellor.
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So they kind of been new. Obviously, they could
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do about it because they didn't have proof, but
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they've been new. But how long was he over there,
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you know, doing his little rich gay guy routine?
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What other stealthy feats does he have? What
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other stealthy feats does Palpatine do? Like,
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what else he got? Other than the fact that he's
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just a good ass fucking... charismatic how many
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how many years how many years did he just talk
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to every single jedi and just like oh yeah nothing's
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wrong okay that's like the critical of stealthy
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again that's still being one thing that he did
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it just went for a long period of time i feel
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like stealthiness the longer it you're stealthed
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is a lot better than doing it here and that motherfucker
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can crouch and like crawl through some air ducts
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and shit his knees will break before he gets
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in there he don't need to that okay That's like
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infiltration. Yeah, that's part of being stealthy.
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I don't think infiltration is part of being stealthy.
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Okay, well then your whole point is invalid because
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he infiltrated the Galactic Senate. I'm talking
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about like physical infiltration. That was physical
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infiltration. He was there in the Senate. He's
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hiding in plain sight. He is hiding in plain
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sight. That is infiltration. You're talking about
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climbing through a fucking duct. Okay. I'm talking
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about sneaking aboard starships. I'm talking
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about assassinating key leaders of, you know,
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various organizations, the rebellion, whatever.
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How many times did she get caught? How many times
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did she get caught? Once, when she gets blown
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out the sky by Luke. How many times did Palpatine
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get caught? Once. He didn't get caught. He straight
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up just said, you know, he just, he revealed
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himself. She got fucked over by somebody else.
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That's being stupid. No, that's part of his grand
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plan. That's just Dekutla stuff right there.
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No, she got caught when she didn't want to get
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caught. He got caught when he wanted to get caught.
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That's the pinnacle of stealthiness. It's under
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his terms. She wasn't under her terms. If you
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read the novel, Palpatine was really fucking
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worried in that whole scene. Because Anakin was
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the linchpin to his whole plan. Exactly. He revealed
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himself. It was a very risky maneuver to reveal
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himself. He wasn't even going to do it. It was
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kind of a spur of the moment thing. He did it.
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And he... voluntarily got caught she got caught
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when she didn't want to get caught obviously
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her stealthiness is worse i think so i think
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so i mean if i'm hiding from somebody the only
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reason she got caught so so so is the same way
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that mace windu knew some shit was up with palpatine
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because he said the dark sides fucking surrounds
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that motherfucker right the only reason mara
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got shot down in her x -wing when she was flying
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with luke Was because the dark side was surrounding
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her. It's the same fucking shit. And Luke just
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surrendered himself to the force because so much
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crap was going on. And he just started taking
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down targets. Targets that had intent to kill
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his homies or bad intentions toward his homies.
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That's the same shit that Windu and Yoda and
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all of them were feeling whenever Palpatine was
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around. But she was taken down. He was only taken
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down on his accord. I mean, he got he got taken
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down until Anakin cut his arm off or Mace Windu's
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arm off. Boy was dead to rights. I don't know.
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I think she. No, no, I know. Because she got
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caught. He didn't get caught. He only got he.
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revealed himself i wouldn't even say got caught
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she got caught in her actions he did not no no
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he definitely he definitely got caught in his
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actions nope he revealed jedi masters walked
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into his office and said we're here to arrest
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you motherfucker all right we'll go to the close
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quarter combat mastery and circle back to stealthiness
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because that motherfucker took down for fucking
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jedi no matter what i didn't say lightsaber mastery
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that's a different topic it's close quarters
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combat that's a different that's what lightsabers
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are that's what lightsabers are of course close
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quarters combat Close quarters combat is hand
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-to -hand combat. No, it doesn't say hand -to
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-hand. Because we have a lightsaber mastery category.
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It doesn't say hand -to -hand. It just says close
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quarters combat. Okay, moderator interjection.
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This was specified by Brick3PO that those two
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are different. Close quarters combat is referenced
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to hand -to -hand, not lightsaber. There's a
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separate category for that. Thank you, moderator.
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Get fucked, okay? Mara Jade is an assassin. She
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is a close quarters specialist because that bitch
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is supposed to get in and beat the fuck out of
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somebody real fast and get out. She can fight
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without a lightsaber all day throwing hands.
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How many hands is fucking Palpatine gonna throw
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before you break his neck on accident? I mean,
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Palpatine did throw hands with Maul and Savage
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in the Clone Wars series. He used his lightsaber
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most of the time, but he still threw hands with
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them. Okay, but he did use his lightsaber, right?
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At some point, yeah. But he did throw hands with
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them. Okay. marj beats the fuck out of so many
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people before she ever even uses a lightsaber
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she was trained to be an assassin she was trained
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in hand -to -hand combat by palpatine and his
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fucking royal guards all right i'll give you
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close course combat since thank you you know
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y 'all want to bullshit it um well y 'all there's
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only one of me i know we don't talk about bullshit
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after last it's only one of us well fine we'll
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go to charisma palpatine wins that shit he's
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one of the most charismatic politicians there
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is He's the king of manipulation. I mean, Mara
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Jade, look, people love Luke, right? Okay. Mara
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Jade got shot down by Luke and still managed
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to get in that man's pants. That's pretty charismatic.
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But Palpatine got in the pants of pretty much
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the entire Senate. I ain't see him running around
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with it. You don't know that. Definitely in the
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kid's dreams. I'm pretty sure the only kids that
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Palpatine had were clones. Ray's parents were
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clones. Charismatic doesn't just mean about fucking.
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Okay, and? He was in the pockets of everybody.
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Everybody just, you know, he could manipulate
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with his pure charm the entire fucking Senate
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if he wanted, which he did. That's how he got
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fucking power. That's how he got power to fucking
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start Order 66 and control all the clones. You
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right. You right. I still gotta argue against
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it. All I'm saying was, if you've read the books
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that Marjade's in, She's just as good at playing
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off being charismatic, playing off being a politician,
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playing off being a high whatever, whatever you
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want to call it, high ranking official or whatever.
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She's very good at it. It's kind of her whole
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thing because, you know, she's a assassin and
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a stealth infiltration specialist. That's what
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she'd be doing. But she didn't manipulate her.
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She didn't manipulate entire populations. I'm
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pretty sure she did, actually. I think I can
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pull up a reference even. On the scale that Palpatine
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did? I mean, I'm talking like planetary scale.
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Palpatine was like galaxy scale. Well, no, he
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was mostly just manipulating the members of the
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Senate. Which are representatives of the galaxy.
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Okay, that doesn't mean they smart. They don't
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gotta be smart. He's charismatic. That doesn't
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mean they're strong -willed. That doesn't mean
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that he didn't just use the force to get them
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to do what he wanted them to do. Which he did.
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Sometimes. Not all the time. He was very charismatic.
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As a, what, Nabooian politician to start? Hey,
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Brick3PO replacement, how many members of the
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Senate were there? I don't even get a name. I
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don't even get a fucking name. You ran him off.
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You are Brick3PO's replacement today. Jesus.
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What was the question again? How many members
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of the Senate are there? I believe they base
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it off a megabyte. So if I remember correctly,
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it's 1024. OK, great. So he manipulated a thousand
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people. That's it. Some of them with the force.
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So we're going to say, you know, less than a
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thousand people in the Senate that he charismatically,
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quote unquote, manipulated or with. Oh, wait,
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hold on. Hold on. I made a mistake. There was.
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1024 Senate pods and two senators per Senate
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pod. So 2040. OK, great. Even that's still only
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2000 people. And then he manipulate the leaders
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of the the CIS. Not really. That was mostly Dooku.
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They just knew he was kind of pulling the strings
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behind his back. I mean, he manipulated Dooku.
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He didn't really have to. Dooku was willingly
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his apprentice. Exactly, because he was manipulated
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by an archetype. He was like, hey, come get some
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power, and Dooku was like, Papa, you say? And
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then he was like, hey, you get to be racist,
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and Dooku was like, racist, you say? This is
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correct. Can't verify. Very much true. There's
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a quote in the book where basically Palpatine
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told Dooku that... He was going to get rid of
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all the fucking aliens from all the positions
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of power. That's not even the most fucked up
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racist thing that Dooku did. Dooku, when he got
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his hands chopped off by Anakin, his first thought
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was not, oh shit, I'm about to die. It was, oh
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shit, I'm a cripple and less of a human. All
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I'm saying is Mara Jade is a master spy. Palpatine,
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A, used the force for a lot of his shit. Yes,
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he was a little bit charismatic, you know, moving
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his way up. Definitely not a little bit. But
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I mean, it's a little bit. I mean, he only had
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to, you know, manipulate 2 ,000 people. It's
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not that many. And did he really have to manipulate
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half of them when they don't even speak Galactic
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Basic? And he had to manipulate pretty much all
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of Naboo to get elected as Senator of Naboo.
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He was already born into a wealthy family. He
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was already at the top of the totem pole. I mean,
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plenty of people that are not hated. Plagueis
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totally helped him do that whole thing. Most
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of that was honestly Plagueis. I thought Plagueis
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was gone by the time he got elected. As a senator,
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yes. As a chancellor, no. Wait, no. Your statement
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was backwards. Because you said, I thought Plagueis
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was gone. Plagueis was alive. Okay, what I was
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trying to say was Plagueis was alive while Palpatine
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was a senator. And as a chancellor, he wasn't.
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Plagueis helped him get into that position on
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Naboo. He might have done the other stuff in
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the Galactic Senate. But getting that position
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on Naboo was not on his own. Okay, but he still
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did it. Okay. I mean, when there's two candidates
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and half your people are one party, like... It's
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not hard. It's a 50 -50. Okay, but what's half
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of the population of Naboo? That's a good question.
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Breakthrough IPO replacement. The population
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of Naboo is estimated at 4 .5 billion. So he
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manipulated 2 billion people as well? However,
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when he was elected senator, was it... Wait,
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wait. For that fact, 72 % of that 4 .5 billion
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is Gungan, and the Gungans were not voting in
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all of the Naboo politics and stuff. Okay, well,
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what's Brick Replacement? What is 27 % of 4 .5
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billion? Goddammit, I hate all of you. Like,
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1 .15 billion or so. So, a little over 500 million?
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Brick 3PO Replacement, when he was running for
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Senate position... You dug this grave. You made
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this bed. And now you get to lie in it. Brick
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3PO replacement. What? How many people were actually
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voting? Were they even voting for him in that
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senatorial election? Or was it just an appointment
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by the Queen of Naboo? He was elected. It was
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not an appointment. Who was his opponent? It
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doesn't say who he ran. It says who he ran for
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against Chancellor, not on who he ran for for
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the senatorial position. So some nobody not even
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important enough to name versus a rich, wealthy
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member of the. If they are running for Senate
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there. Probably still rich, wealthy, and a member
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of the Naboo upper class. You don't know that.
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That's correct. His statement is correct. You're
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the one that said it's like the only reason that
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he got to that position because he was rich,
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wealthy, and a part of the upper class. Okay,
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the other guy didn't get the position. But the
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other guy was still... in that same category
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to be able to get into the position to even run
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for it. Maybe. It definitely wasn't just some
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fucking Joe Schmoe off the street or a fucking
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Gungan. I think we've lost the point for fighting
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the charismatic. Do you guys have any final words
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for your arguments on who should win this versus?
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Wait, how many topics did we go through? Almost
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all of them. Yeah. Mara got caught. Palpatine
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revealed himself. That's the federal crime. Does
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a RICO really count if you don't ever go to court
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for it? Because Palpatine never really went to
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court. I mean, Mara didn't go to court either.
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She just got shot down. All right, so I'm going
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to take that as no other arguments for the topics
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at hand. All I'm saying is Mara is a trained
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assassin in hand -to -hand combat, in infiltration,
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in sneaking her ass in places. She was trained
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by Palpatine. So she's got some of them skills.
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She learned from the guy how to do all of these
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things. Yeah, but obviously she lived well enough
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because she got caught. She lived longer. Did
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she though? Yeah. Did she revive herself three
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times? Didn't have to. All right, so I'm gonna
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go ahead and explain who won each category and
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give my reasoning. So starting with overall force
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ability, I have to give this one to Palpatine,
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of course, just because I feel like Palpatine's
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repertoire definitely was more than Mara's and
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Exotic kind of showed that in his case. You kind
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of admitted that she learned most of her, at
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least dark side prowess from Palpatine. And we
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all know that Palpatine was definitely not teaching
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her everything. so that there was no chance that
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she could thwart him. Not only was Palpatine
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skilled in using the dark side of the Force,
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but also in dark side alchemy, as we see in the
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Clone Wars. So I'm definitely giving overall
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Force ability, techniques, mastery, and understanding
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to Palpatine because of that. For natural speed,
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this one doesn't need much explanation. Mara
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was a fit, fine badass, and Palpatine looked
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like a monkey scrotum. So clearly... Mara's taking
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the natural speed stealthiness was really kind
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of hard to decide who who would win on I think
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that when she fought very well to defend Mara
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but there's something absolutely galactically
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minded deviousness of palpatine to be able to
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hide in plain sight in front of not millions
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not billions but trillions of faces as the supreme
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chancellor of the republic to be able to rise
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into being the emperor and the you know a culmination
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of thousand years of sith mastery so i'm gonna
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have to give stealthiness to to palpatine i mean
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he was right under their fucking noses and they
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may have been aware of the dark side but they
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didn't necessarily know that he was the sith
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or that he was the source of the dark side clouding
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of the Jedi until Anakin kind of snitched. I
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will say just to the point of talking about Palpatine
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and Mara getting caught, Mara did get caught,
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but I will also say that Palpatine most certainly
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got caught also because he was going to try to
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play it off when the Jedi Masters entered his
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office. But once he was deemed arrested, he had
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that quote, so it's treason then, you know? So
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he definitely got caught. Close quarters combat.
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is again going to have to be given to Mara for
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the obvious reasons. Because again, fit fine
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badass, but also trained to be a close quarters
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combat expert. I mean, trained multiple contingents
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of not only badass stormtroopers, but did some
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training for the rebels. And of course, she did
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training for some of the younger Padawans on
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Yavin 4 after Luke establishes his academy. So
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definitely think she's taking that one just for
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her physical stature. And then as far as charismatic
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goes, though, I will say that Mara Jade was definitely
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a charismatic Jedi, Jedi master. I don't think
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that she's beating Palpatine when it comes to
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charisma. He was very much known as like the
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father figure, not just to Anakin, but to people
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who interacted with him. And I believe that.
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exotic made a very good point of saying like
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not only did he have to sway the senate but the
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senate is also thinking about like the senators
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at least are thinking about their constituents
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so just by means if the huh no they're not what
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do you mean you think your senators are thinking
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about your constituents okay i'm going off the
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definition of a republic they're representing
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their constituents that doesn't mean that's how
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it worked in practice which we saw yeah but they
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get bullied into voting for whatever he wanted
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you have to have we've seen that in the media
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You have to have a certain degree of charisma
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to be able to sway people. Or fear mongering.
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It wasn't fear mongering. It was not fear mongering
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until after he became the emperor. Supreme Chancellor
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Palpatine was most certainly not fear mongering.
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Otherwise, he would have gotten booted out for
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sure before any of this went down. Not only that,
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but I mean, if you think about like the war powers
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resolution and the powers that he was granted
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from the Senate because they loved him so much,
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they were willing to give him these extra powers
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that allowed him to rise to emperor. You have
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to be charismatic to be able to do that. marj
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was not doing charisma on that kind of scale
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like i will say within her own community she
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was probably most certainly the most charismatic
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person there even if you see like with the i
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forget what their name was but those five stormtroopers
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that she trained i definitely believe that they
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viewed her as charismatic and within her own
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community but not on the scale that palpatine
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was so i have to give that to palpatine as well
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so i just want to preface for the viewers that
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um before this recording ever started and i have
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receipts uh i was told that if exotic picked
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palpatine i just lost because my ref is impartial
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i am impartial i am impartial i literally i don't
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want it you know i don't but you know i don't
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referee you know i don't want this exotic to
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win that i was gonna lose coming into this Because
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he ran Brick 3PO off. But you knew. This was
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rigged from the start. Literally, I started.
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Talk about fucking cheating. Literally, I started
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this thing by saying, I hope when she wins. This
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motherfucker spent 20 minutes complaining about
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how his ref was biased. And then he comes in.
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And I have the receipts. I'll post them, bitches.
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Post the receipts. I ain't scared. I'll say it
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again. But you can't sit here and say that I
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wanted Exotic to win. Do you know how much this
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pains me? I didn't say you wanted him to win.
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I said you said I would lose if he picked Palpatine.
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I didn't say you wanted him to win. I mean, he
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argued it well. If he didn't argue it well, this
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:11.380
motherfucker can't argue. He tried to tell me
00:24:11.380 --> 00:24:14.779
that Carrie Fisher was less attractive than fucking
00:24:14.779 --> 00:24:18.220
Revan Pixels. Like, I know this bitch can't argue.
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I was expecting you to come with some better
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:23.319
shit. I'm sorry you disappointed me. the fuck
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am i supposed to come with i don't know you already
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told me i have no chance if calpatine is the
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choice i wanted you to win and then you ran off
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our referee brick 3po replacement motherfucker
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to be fair i did not run him off yes you did
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he said he said you read him off No, he said,
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I could just leave. And I didn't say, okay, just
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leave. I said, wow, you can't handle the rage
00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:48.940
baiting, it seems. You said that after that.
00:24:48.940 --> 00:24:51.039
You already knew that he's studying for his fucking
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finals. He has better things to do than sit here
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and get fucking rage baited. I didn't know he
00:24:55.819 --> 00:24:58.759
was studying for his finals. Yes, you did. Yes,
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you did. No, I didn't. He posted in the fucking
00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:04.579
chat last night. What chat? The fucking Magic
00:25:04.579 --> 00:25:06.299
the Gathering chat. You mean the one that I have
00:25:06.299 --> 00:25:08.420
muted? The one that you responded. The one that
00:25:08.420 --> 00:25:10.920
I have completely muted because you guys talk
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:13.099
too much. You have everything muted. No, I don't.
00:25:13.099 --> 00:25:16.259
I don't have your server muted. I certainly don't
00:25:16.259 --> 00:25:18.119
look at it, but I definitely have that. I muted
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:21.160
that chat the second I joined. And he told us
00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.700
last week at the end of our recording that he
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was going to be studying for it this weekend.
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So you're just wasting his time and pissing him
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off when he's got better things to be doing.
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And you just ran him off. And you expect me to
00:25:31.690 --> 00:25:33.730
remember that. He literally said when you were
00:25:33.730 --> 00:25:36.349
arguing with him, I could just go study. And
00:25:36.349 --> 00:25:38.829
then he left. There was nothing else I could
00:25:38.829 --> 00:25:41.309
say to him at that point. Except I'm sorry, but
00:25:41.309 --> 00:25:43.430
you won't do that. What type of finals do droids
00:25:43.430 --> 00:25:47.309
have? He's got to get his fucking certification
00:25:47.309 --> 00:25:50.069
so he's allowed to work on spaceships. Come on,
00:25:50.069 --> 00:25:52.690
we're not spaceships. We're an in -universe podcast.
00:25:53.009 --> 00:25:56.329
Okay, we're in -universe right now. Shut your
00:25:56.329 --> 00:26:00.950
bitch ass up. And also, this certification would
00:26:00.950 --> 00:26:03.490
give him the qualification to work on spaceships
00:26:03.490 --> 00:26:06.809
at NASA. Why are you so heated about this? Jesus.
00:26:07.250 --> 00:26:09.630
You don't piss me off today. Why did I piss you
00:26:09.630 --> 00:26:12.130
off? Well, first Exotic pissed me off, then you
00:26:12.130 --> 00:26:13.730
pissed me off, and then you pissed me off again.
00:26:14.250 --> 00:26:16.910
How did I piss you off again? I understand the
00:26:16.910 --> 00:26:19.309
first with the magic cards. And then you ran
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off our ref. By being the same person I always
00:26:21.930 --> 00:26:24.230
am. That's not my fault. What did I do? Nothing.
00:26:24.289 --> 00:26:26.690
Fucking changed the time of this shit like three
00:26:26.690 --> 00:26:29.730
times. I have fucking plans. I changed my plans
00:26:29.730 --> 00:26:32.390
three times. He's just mad. The loss probably
00:26:32.390 --> 00:26:34.190
doesn't help either. Anyway. See, I told you
00:26:34.190 --> 00:26:36.910
at the start. I scoop. I scoop. It was over from
00:26:36.910 --> 00:26:38.910
the start. It wasn't over from the start. It
00:26:38.910 --> 00:26:40.839
was over by the end, though. It was, too. It
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was not. It was too. I really thought you would
00:26:43.420 --> 00:26:45.720
have a better argument for stealthiness. What
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the fuck else am I going to argue? She's a fucking
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:52.259
master spy and assassin. Okay, let me explain
00:26:52.259 --> 00:26:54.539
it like this. This motherfucker doesn't know
00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:57.960
shit about legends. The second you said, oh,
00:26:57.980 --> 00:27:00.440
she was caught by Luke Skywalker and blown out
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:02.480
the sky, I was like, this motherfucker is dumb.
00:27:02.859 --> 00:27:06.279
It's a fact. But why would you mention it? why
00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:09.160
because i'm not a sleazebag it's not about being
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:12.099
a sleazebag one i also forgot about that too
00:27:12.099 --> 00:27:13.920
though but like the second you said that i was
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:16.720
like well shit like she failed being a stealth
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:20.200
op also he argued that infiltration was not part
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:22.900
of being stealthy which means the entire argument
00:27:22.900 --> 00:27:25.710
about him infiltrating the fucking senate And
00:27:25.710 --> 00:27:28.450
both sides of the fucking galactic civil war
00:27:28.450 --> 00:27:31.250
is completely moot, which is the exact argument
00:27:31.250 --> 00:27:33.049
that you used for him winning that category.
00:27:33.250 --> 00:27:35.210
I didn't say, I didn't say anything about infiltration.
00:27:35.289 --> 00:27:38.529
You said him tricking all the motherfuckers.
00:27:38.529 --> 00:27:41.509
I said hiding in plain sight is not, that's not
00:27:41.509 --> 00:27:43.390
infiltrating. That's hiding in plain sight. You
00:27:43.390 --> 00:27:45.609
just rephrased the thing that he argued wasn't
00:27:45.609 --> 00:27:47.690
part of being stealthy. To be fair, I did say,
00:27:47.769 --> 00:27:49.829
I only brought up the infiltration thing whenever
00:27:49.829 --> 00:27:51.809
you talk about crawling through vents. Like in
00:27:51.809 --> 00:27:53.809
terms of infiltrating, you were talking about.
00:27:54.140 --> 00:27:56.920
Like going into some place physically and like
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sneaking around. That's stealthy. That's physical
00:27:59.500 --> 00:28:01.779
infiltration. You don't have to physically infiltrate
00:28:01.779 --> 00:28:04.619
things to infiltrate. But he argued after I said
00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:07.740
that, that infiltration was not part of it. Well,
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:09.519
that part of infiltration. That's what I was
00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:11.920
saying. You didn't say that. Yes, I did. Not
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.160
not when we were arguing. You said I said the
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:16.079
physical infiltration. He said that motherfucker
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:18.079
is not crawling through Vincent. Oh, yeah. And
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:20.440
then I said and then I said he was physically
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:23.079
infiltrating the Senate. Which was correct. You're
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:24.420
playing semantics here. I do remember saying
00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:26.299
that. You're playing semantics here, though.
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:28.880
That's your game. You're the ref. So yeah, I'm
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:32.940
playing that game. There's only one way to infiltrate
00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:36.119
a body as the Senate and it's with your person
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.660
because you have to campaign. Physically infiltrating
00:28:38.660 --> 00:28:40.839
the Senate would be like fucking crawling through
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:44.599
the vents in the Senate hall and then just sitting
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on one of the fucking platforms or some shit.
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So we can argue that Yoda was better than him
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at it. Yeah. Physically infiltrating. Because
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he was small and green. And I thought I was mad
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after I was robbed. I thought I was mad. This
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motherfucker makes me look like I was calm after
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I lost to Exotic. Jesus. It's frustrating to
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lose to him, right? Because it's bullshit. What
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do you mean? This was not a grand ploy to teach
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you a lesson or anything. I literally did not
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want him to win. I thought I was very clear about
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that. So you went in already biased. You cannot
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be the ref. If Rick 3PO ain't here, we ain't
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doing versus. I was going to acquiesce. He left.
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The second he was like, I'm unbiased, and you
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were like, he should be ref, I was like, okay,
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let me finish my raid bait. I mean, I did go
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in with Palpatine, knowing there's very few characters
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that I know of that would win in overall force
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ability and charisma. The other three was kind
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of tossed in the air. We knew. I literally told
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him, I was like, he's picking Anakin Skywalker,
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and then we were talking about it, and then I
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was like, oh, the only one that he could really
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pick to beat you is Palpatine. Yeah, that's why
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I... When I was searching for characters, I was
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looking for characters that I could guarantee
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win at least two, and then I could fight over
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one more to suede. And so Annie, I was like,
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okay, he's pretty charismatic, but he's not as
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charismatic as Palpatine. His Force ability,
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you know, he's the chosen one, yeah, but Palpatine
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would still fuck him up in it. And just his understanding
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of the Force. I think he would have won overall
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Force ability, natural speed, and close quarters
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combat. That motherfucker was far from stealthy.
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He was also the hero of the Clone Wars, so you
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could have argued charismatic. Yeah, I mean,
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everybody loved him, but he wasn't as snide and
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conniving as Palpatine. Yeah, well, unfortunately,
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you've won once again. And I hate it here. And
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I'm getting yelled at as Rick3PO's replacement.
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Rick3PO is showing so much more respect in this.
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Because he is an impartial, unbiased referee.
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You threw in facts about the characters in your
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analysis at the end that neither of us brought
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up. Yes. That was just going off what I knew.
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And then I said... Uh -huh, and Brick3PO only
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goes off the facts that we give him during the
00:30:52.460 --> 00:30:55.019
argument because he don't know shit. Yes, but
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what I was using those facts for was literally
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to show how it related to the points that both
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of you made. Bringing in outside information
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.339
to make his final decision. Judging off the last
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time Brick was the judge between me and Nikita,
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I think I still would have won. Because Brick
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actually listened to half of the points I made.
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Are you saying I don't listen to half the points
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.279
you made? Yes. You don't listen to half the things
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I say. You're the one who does that. I listened
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to everything both of y 'all said. I even sat
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here. I wanted to interject many times. I didn't.
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All right. Well, unfortunately, Exotics won when
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she's lost. He's mad at me. Brick's mad at me.
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Exotics is probably mad at me, but for unrelated
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.680
reasons. I'm chilling. Oh, never mind. Okay.
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We won on one front. And I don't hate me today.
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So it's 2 -2. Nice point there. Give it a day.
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I'll give you the day. But that has been the
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see you then later hunter i mean when she did
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he go okay no good you fucking just call me i
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said when she can't even get my damn name right
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i said when she immediately after just say bye
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bitch all right bitch say say your sign off
