The Flagship: Double or Nothing, Supercard of Honor, Champion Carnival & more!

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[UNKNOWN]: You are listening to the flagship I cast with your host, Joe Lanza Grab a grab a grab a
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[UNKNOWN]: And we are live on the flagship podcast.
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[UNKNOWN]: I am Rich.
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[UNKNOWN]: He is Joe Joe.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're back after a week I ate us.
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[UNKNOWN]: Happy to be back at it.
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[UNKNOWN]: There must be some mistake.
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[UNKNOWN]: I do not see WWE Saturday night's main event on the run sheet, the preview of that huge event taking place on the cock.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's still on peacock, right?
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, it is, it is.
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[UNKNOWN]: I would have believed you if you would have said it wasn't.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, though, that's the last vestige of the peacock.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, it's a Saturday night's main event.
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[UNKNOWN]: Because it was on your sea and then it moved to the intimate confides.
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[UNKNOWN]: I forget what was the exact reasoning but the reason can't remember they had some some cockmany reason why I don't just serve more people if it's not on that or it's because it's on speak cock only but they'll retry it again in eight more years and it won't work again like every other reboot that they attempt of that
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[UNKNOWN]: But, um, of the super mainstream WWE wrestling.
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[UNKNOWN]: Global brand.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a hell show.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a hell of an episode of rampage that character presenting here this Saturday.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I made a bet.
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[UNKNOWN]: The earnest made a bet is Ethan Page and Penta, right?
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[UNKNOWN]: That is the in earnest main event, correct?
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[UNKNOWN]: Huh.
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[UNKNOWN]: B-Fab is wrestling on the show, so that tells you all you need to know, pretty bad, pretty bad.
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[UNKNOWN]: I could see why you don't have it on the run sheet.
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[UNKNOWN]: You don't want to break it down, but you'll have to have it on the run sheet next week when we break down and review it, which
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[UNKNOWN]: I can't let you get out of that.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, that's fine.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I got out of, was it fucking backlash or whatever?
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[UNKNOWN]: That was nifty work by me last week to get out of back lash.
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[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I will have to do serenance made of it.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
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[UNKNOWN]: You will.
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[UNKNOWN]: This one, yeah, what do we have?
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't even know the whole, okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: So it was Penta and Ethan Page for the IC title.
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[UNKNOWN]: Logan Paul, who is my god, just absolutely a guy on the roster.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's unbelievable how quickly they made him just a dude on the roster, an Austin theory versus the Street Profits for the World Tag Team titles.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm really a Ripley Charlotte Fuller and Alexa Bliss for Jade Cargill Meachin and the
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[UNKNOWN]: and then page in Brebello who asked for a page in Brebello tag team in 2026 versus last legend and I had jacks my god.
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[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Why are there more matches on this than your typical Vivek page?
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[UNKNOWN]: That's a great question.
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[UNKNOWN]: Sheldon.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: There are only five matches on this thing.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's well, when you can offer up so many
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[UNKNOWN]: Page and Brebello versus Lash Legend and Naya Jax.
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[UNKNOWN]: Who's the best worker in that match?
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[UNKNOWN]: Page, Brebello, Lash Legend, Naya Jax.
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[UNKNOWN]: Who's the best worker in that match?
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh my God.
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[UNKNOWN]: Is it page?
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[UNKNOWN]: That's a really good question.
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[UNKNOWN]: It might be page.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's not good.
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[UNKNOWN]: It might be page.
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[UNKNOWN]: Cause Lash is horrible.
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[UNKNOWN]: Naya's, not as much as she said.
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[UNKNOWN]: She's the shit.
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[UNKNOWN]: And Bree, Bree was never good, and now she's 12 years older than when she was when she was really bad.
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[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I don't think I'm sorry that.
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[UNKNOWN]: Remember that brief period of time where people were trying to say that Naya Jax was really good?
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you're terrible.
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[UNKNOWN]: For like that eight months there, whatever it was, it's like man.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like, I feel like every wrestler.
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[UNKNOWN]: has their time where, you know, hardcore smarts will decide that they're actually good.
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[UNKNOWN]: Every wrestler has it ever so brief the Miz had it in like 2007.
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[UNKNOWN]: Remember that.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, and then again.
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[UNKNOWN]: He got it.
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[UNKNOWN]: He got it twice.
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[UNKNOWN]: He had it in 2007 and then he got it again and like I want to say it was like 20, 2014 15.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was like started up again.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're like actually the Miz is pretty good.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like shut up.
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[UNKNOWN]: No stop.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's not.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that like like peak wrestling Twitter before it truly went to shit.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, around 2014 you're right that he did have another one.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know if any was going to go down that well again.
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[UNKNOWN]: But everyone gets a turn.
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[UNKNOWN]: And we've been around so long that we've seen all the, and I could sniff him out instantly.
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[UNKNOWN]: I could just tell it's like it's a thing that's happening for a couple of weeks.
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[UNKNOWN]: Just let it happen.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's going to, yeah, gender Mahal.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Gender Mahal got a bearing core.
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[UNKNOWN]: We got it at a certain time as well, or as this.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
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[UNKNOWN]: When he was feeding with colistine, you know.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's everyone, everyone gets a turn, everyone gets a turn where they're actually good.
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[UNKNOWN]: And some of these people we're talking about are some of the worst wrestlers of the modern era.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, like when you're talking about your naïa, jackses of the world and gender, gender mahal is, oh my god, the guy's just, he's the drizzling shit, he's just always a terrible pro wrestler.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's something, I mean, I'm trying to think did, like, bad luck Falle ever get it.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think he did.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: There were a couple of those little Kada went in the peak of him in Ocada.
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[UNKNOWN]: There were a couple of those.
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[UNKNOWN]: In the block for Obama and Tana.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, there was a couple.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, that was in peak like Ocada's bad actually.
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[UNKNOWN]: So it was like actually bad luck.
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[UNKNOWN]: Falle is the reason those matches are good.
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[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, oh, OK, all right.
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[UNKNOWN]: Sure, that's that's right.
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[UNKNOWN]: I thought, yeah, see, I think peak Ocada is bad actually
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[UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, no, that's a little later.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, good Ocata is bad, actually.
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[UNKNOWN]: You see what I'm saying?
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[UNKNOWN]: Like when everybody said he was good, that's when people decided that he was bad, actually.
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[UNKNOWN]: You see what I'm saying?
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of nuance to this.
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[UNKNOWN]: I understand that.
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[UNKNOWN]: You see what I'm saying?
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[UNKNOWN]: Like when he was at his peak is when people started doing like that.
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[UNKNOWN]: Actually, every one of his matches is the same and nothing matters for the first 25 minutes.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he's not very good.
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[UNKNOWN]: And then when he did the balloon stuff and he was being bad on purpose, that's when those people were like, actually he's good.
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[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, no, he's being bad on purpose.
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[UNKNOWN]: Why you guys always the opposite?
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, what do you do it here?
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[UNKNOWN]: It gets, it's pretty wild out there.
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[UNKNOWN]: It gets pretty wild out there.
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[UNKNOWN]: To have those, you got to, you got to always have a contrarian take in the, in the issue is being a, it's like the reverse marked them.
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[UNKNOWN]: You have to be contrarian of the contrarians, and then it just becomes very difficult.
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[UNKNOWN]: And then you, yeah, and then you just end up being Matthew.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's
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[UNKNOWN]: Right, so yeah, that's that's it's crazy.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's different.
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[UNKNOWN]: I I long for those days compared to what we have now the house the end days of yeah, just arguing about Jinder Mahal being good actually.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm just going what no Jinder Mahal sucks.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, right like that that seems like Like the happy days compared to like what we have now which is just rampant non-sensical
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[UNKNOWN]: not able to have any, at least, at least the people who thought gender was good.
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[UNKNOWN]: At least there was some basis of a conversation to be had with people like that.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's no conversation to be had with people on.
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[UNKNOWN]: wrestling social media these days.
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[UNKNOWN]: You just can't talk for state without any of these.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, no, absolutely.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's the time.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's ridiculous.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's we're going to talk about it as we talk about the champion carnival later in this night.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we used to have like knockout dragout fights about Hadecki Suzuki, but those were good arguments.
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[UNKNOWN]: Those were like closer to the message boards.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like we always said, like Twitter isn't the same as the message boards and it's much worse than the message boards.
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[UNKNOWN]: But now you go back to the
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[UNKNOWN]: that era of Twitter and you're like, God, it was closer.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it was it, it was at the same it wasn't, but it, it compared to what we have now, which is just impossible even, fathom and it even put into words how far away that is from any sort of, you know, fruitful discourse or any sort of normal arguments like that.
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[UNKNOWN]: It kind of, you know, 2015, 2014, 2013.
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[UNKNOWN]: It kind of was, you know, it wasn't the same, but it's because all those people cut their teeth in the forum days.
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[UNKNOWN]: So we all knew how to kind of have those discussions and now you got these young bucks and they don't know what the hell they're doing And I and listen, I don't want to you know It's sorry.
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[UNKNOWN]: It just sucked in a different way.
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[UNKNOWN]: It was bad.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't I didn't like it It's still sucked in which I had nothing to do with it ever, but it's sucked in a completely different way than it sucks now You know, but it has always sucked
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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, um, that's uh, that's siren, it's made of it.
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[UNKNOWN]: You can't, you can't bet on two of those matches.
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[UNKNOWN]: They have taken, I regret to inform you, they have taken Becky Lynch versus Soul Ruka off the board.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: You cannot wager on that, but um, look, if you want to plunk down some money on Logan Paul and theory,
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[UNKNOWN]: Is he still just theory or they still do this?
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[UNKNOWN]: No, I think he's lost.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: Actually, you're right.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know either.
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[UNKNOWN]: You can get them at minus 1,000.
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[UNKNOWN]: Not exactly a value there.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, you can get Logan and theory at minus 1,000.
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[UNKNOWN]: They're their big favorites.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think those streets profits.
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[UNKNOWN]: I believe they're teasing a breakup of the street profits, which will be the greatest He'll turn of all time by.
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[UNKNOWN]: Montes, whatever, I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know which one's gonna turn heal on the other, but it'll it'll be a fun few days of pretending that's like a monumental change in the in the landscape of world-ressing entertainment, but Get back and shape Montes, oh Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was When that now we know, you know, you're just trying to, you know bond with his is is
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[UNKNOWN]: Mother to be.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like a you're a nice grandma.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a mask.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, I can't have you have all the fun stuff.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, they never asked them to come to the work.
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[UNKNOWN]: So you just, you know, he's home eating baloney sandwiches and you know, he's not thinking about it.
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[UNKNOWN]: And they call him the work and he's got himself a belly.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, boys.
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[UNKNOWN]: All those boys.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, yeah, baloney.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yuck.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, nasty.
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[UNKNOWN]: Did you know, both of those, both of those guys got their ladies pregnant around the same time.
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[UNKNOWN]: So then you put the street property to work or else they are.
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[UNKNOWN]: They do some work at homes.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a loooly chap and chap.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're like, well, I don't have to go to freaking Fort Wayne in the, well, that you have to go to Fort Wayne this week.
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[UNKNOWN]: I didn't even realize that show was in Fort Wayne.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's in Florida, Indiana.
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[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
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[UNKNOWN]: I was just kind of come up with a shitty town.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, turns out this week's Saturday.
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[UNKNOWN]: It made event.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's in the Alan County War Memorial College.
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[UNKNOWN]: See them in lovely Fort Wayne, Indiana.
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[UNKNOWN]: What?
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[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
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[UNKNOWN]: That one of these days, I'm going to say Shaboy again, and one of these promotions is going to be in Shaboy again.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know, man.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if Shaboy again has a, uh,
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[UNKNOWN]: in arena.
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[UNKNOWN]: I've been a shitty dude.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't trust you.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure the crusher worked there all the time.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, I've had he worked at like a high school though.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know where there's probably a memorial or something like that and from Shaboy again that they needed.
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[UNKNOWN]: I had a memorial or something like that.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a guard armory or something like that.
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[UNKNOWN]: And thank God, if it's a man took wrestling out of it to move it to Alan County for a memorial.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'll see him in front of me in Indiana.
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[UNKNOWN]: So,
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[UNKNOWN]: I have a terra hut.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's there any uh... Oh yeah, I think there is actually.
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[UNKNOWN]: I do think there is actually a decent size arena in a terra hut.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you gotta come to the Midwest sometime in the, enjoy these cities.
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[UNKNOWN]: They're all very far away from each other though, so you really can't.
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[UNKNOWN]: And what are you gonna do when you got a terra hut in the end?
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what do you do in terror.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, I'll be honest never been never been going to a high school basketball game with the Broadway to hand it chess passes and shit.
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[UNKNOWN]: I didn't get a don't fuck around with any at a high school hoops man.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's it's great.
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[UNKNOWN]: I got big arenas, you know how like Texas is for football where you go and it's like this is like 40,000 seat Stadium, why is it so big and then it's full?
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[UNKNOWN]: That's how it is in Indiana.
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[UNKNOWN]: You go to like these.
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[UNKNOWN]: I've been to a couple of these and it's like giant building I'm like what the hell?
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[UNKNOWN]: This is a high school game need 15,000 seats and it does it actually does Well, you know, we all saw Hoosiers.
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[UNKNOWN]: We all saw Hoosiers Guy fouls out.
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[UNKNOWN]: My team's on the floor played before many can't play before man.
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[UNKNOWN]: You can't do that's ridiculous
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[UNKNOWN]: My team's on the floor.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's a technical foul.
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[UNKNOWN]: You get a five-minute out there.
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[UNKNOWN]: I screamed at every time You look all at call it like Like no Gene Hackman your team is not on the floor.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you have to get another guy out.
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[UNKNOWN]: You got to have another guy out there.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you can't do this.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, it's ridiculous Maybe you could do that in 1940 or wherever the fuck that movie was, but you definitely can't be sure now.
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[UNKNOWN]: Now you can four guys on the floor You imagine him coaching the team today
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[UNKNOWN]: Gene Hackmetter or the guy that coaches Hooters.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, with his methods.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, his methods are practicing without a ball, all that shit, you know.
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[UNKNOWN]: So there was a gentle parenting from, yeah, frets it out the ball, I probably wouldn't work very well.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that though.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's a good, you know, teaches the kids how to, uh, he's got a run of weaves around hairs and without a ball.
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[UNKNOWN]: Coach, when are we gonna shoot?
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[UNKNOWN]: My team's gonna have cardio, at least smack in that newspaper in a new his hand.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I would like to see a coach try that today.
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[UNKNOWN]: Maybe it would, maybe it would work, who knows?
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[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes you got a ZIG when everyone else is there.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like a real, you want to slow it down, like four corners.
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[UNKNOWN]: Right.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, fundamentals.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
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[UNKNOWN]: Fundamentals.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's probably more fundamentals in today's basketball than ever, but different kind of fun.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Not different.
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[UNKNOWN]: The past is a little more crisp in those days, Chris.
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[UNKNOWN]: A little crisp.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: They were pretty.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: They can fucking pass in the NBA, which is great.
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[UNKNOWN]: They can, yeah, yeah, that's true.
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[UNKNOWN]: They're throwing some fucking passes in the NBA.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's all guys.
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[UNKNOWN]: It is a funny thing if you go back and watch like 90s bat, because everyone's like, ah, he's better.
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[UNKNOWN]: 90s, you bash the butter better, and then like you watch the games, and it's just like everybody just misses all their shots.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like nobody can make a shot.
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[UNKNOWN]: Right.
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[UNKNOWN]: Today's game, everybody makes every shot, every single time.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
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[UNKNOWN]: Lazy entry passes to the post, because for some reason the offense always had to start with like,
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[UNKNOWN]: a stiff white guy getting the ball in the post so he could dribble two times and then pass it back out to, you know, Clyde Drexler, so just get let's start the play with Clyde Drexler, like do we, there's Luke Longley need to touch here.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he does, like let's just, and also eight of the 10 players packed into the paint.
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[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, right.
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[UNKNOWN]: No spacing whatsoever is it really jumps out of you.
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[UNKNOWN]: And less like Dan Marley or Dale Ellison in the game, they're out behind the three-point line, and their defender is vaguely in the neighborhood.
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[UNKNOWN]: And that's it.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Everyone else is packed with my great view of the faint.
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[UNKNOWN]: No spacing yet.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's it's eye opening.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's eye opening.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a different game.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's fun to watch though.
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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it is kind of, when you do go back and watch it, you're like, are we sure this is like the peak of basketball here?
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[UNKNOWN]: And the reason why is because they were good at telling stories and they were going to, like bully Ray, I'd say the stories are that narratively narratively of the game was just that it was a better game for sure.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm reading this incredible book about the 1987 NBA season and it's just like, man, everything went into it and all the teams and the playoffs and it's just like, yeah, you don't
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[UNKNOWN]: That like that same team sticking together for years and years and years and that's what most of the book is about.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like about the pistons like trying like hell to beat the Celtics to get to the NBA files and they finally do.
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[UNKNOWN]: And then they meet the Lakers and then the Lakers beat them and it's like fuck we gotta go back again and they
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[UNKNOWN]: They're just, you know, there'd be a little tweak here and there.
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[UNKNOWN]: You trade Adrian Dantley, you'd move this guy here and there, and Norman Nixon, we get traded from the Lakers or whatever, but for the most part, it was like the same goddamn team.
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[UNKNOWN]: Every single year, going at it and like, now, we'll just tweak a thing or two a little here, we'll learn from our experience, like, and that's season.
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[UNKNOWN]: They do a great job at telling them, so I got to find out the name of the book.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think it was when the game was war.
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[UNKNOWN]: I believe it was the name of the book, but...
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[UNKNOWN]: It's just, yeah, you read about the balls, and it's like, they're still young as hell, but you could tell there's something happen in here, and it's like, yeah, they're gonna have to eat their shit against the pistons for a couple of years, and then they'll be able to move up.
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[UNKNOWN]: And the pistons had to eat their shit from the Celtics for a couple of years.
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[UNKNOWN]: Now, they're right and move up.
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[UNKNOWN]: And the hawksman, the hawks are right there, but are they just gonna keep eating shit from both these teams?
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[UNKNOWN]: And the answer was, yes, they never got over that hurdle.
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[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, the lakers are trying to piece things together every single year to just come back in it, just, yeah, you don't, every team now, you know, you don't get that.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, you don't,
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[UNKNOWN]: You don't build teams anymore.
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[UNKNOWN]: Now you tear it down every two years and sign James Harden for some reason.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's what you do in the NBA now.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's how you do it.
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[UNKNOWN]: You're bringing Kevin Durant or James Harden.
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[UNKNOWN]: One of those two guys.
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[UNKNOWN]: The trigger is destroyed and then you trade to have and then you've got to kind of wallet it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Board and decide they want to leave and you have to scrap and restart again, yes.
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[UNKNOWN]: But that's really every sport.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, tear downs are much faster now.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, nobody sticks it.
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[UNKNOWN]: How long did Jay Bell play for the Pirates?
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel like Jay Bell was on the Pirates for 75 years and they would win 72 games every year with the same core.
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[UNKNOWN]: And just so it's some ways, you know.
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[UNKNOWN]: But in other ways, I think teams are a little more impatient too on the other end when they're kind of close instead of adding or tweaking, it's tear down.
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[UNKNOWN]: I guess the NBA is getting a little better with that.
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[UNKNOWN]: There was a good 10-year stretch there where it was just, ah, this didn't work for three, fourths of a season.
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[UNKNOWN]: We've got to restart, press to restart.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like it felt like every team was just ripping it apart.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're starting to find out that.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's more stability.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that actually goes a long way and keeping teams improve a little bit better if they just kind of key.
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[UNKNOWN]: And there's a certain you want to avoid the NBA hell of,
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[UNKNOWN]: They hate to see you don't want to be the eighth senior whatever, but you don't need to you don't need to go to zero You don't need to have like Terrible losing culture for years and years and years and years and then like just like all right Well if we just draft you know because that was kind of the plan for a lot of teams and the six years were like one of the big ones of that and And honestly, okay, see kind of as well, but they've obviously turned things around in a big way and now we're gonna run the league for a couple years But no, yeah, it's it's stabilized a little bit
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[UNKNOWN]: it definitely has there was yeah there was a period there we got real period there was just everyone was tearing it down every you know with the exception of like you know the calves and the warriors who are the finals against each other every year everybody else was tearing down I watched I don't watch much MBA anymore I did turn on that spurs thunder games starting with the fourth quarter and my one takeaway was
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[UNKNOWN]: How did how have the spurs lost a single game all year with that fucking alien that's something else yeah, I don't know how you would ever lose a game with that guy if you lose a game a single game with that guy on your team there's something there's a massive flaw going on with the rest of your roster your coaching
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[UNKNOWN]: I know their point guard hasn't played in that series yet, I understand that, and they got a, I could catch up quick because they got castle playing out of position.
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[UNKNOWN]: They don't have a point guard.
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[UNKNOWN]: Right, he's playing point guard and he's not very good at it.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's just a role of a constantly.
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[UNKNOWN]: Turn over every time I'm the court.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's just tossing it around, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: I haven't watched the spurs game since like last year, and I watched one quarter and then two over times, and I've got it complete.
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[UNKNOWN]: See, listen, that's my, that's my, you know ball, you know ball, you know ball, you know ball.
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[UNKNOWN]: I know ball, I'm like, this guy's a terrible point, they got to get their point guard back because this guy stinks.
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[UNKNOWN]: And otherwise, I don't know how they ever lose a game.
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[UNKNOWN]: When we had 43 in that game, and when I saw his line, I was like, that's it.
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[UNKNOWN]: This went two over times.
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[UNKNOWN]: How did he not have 73?
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[UNKNOWN]: They couldn't do anything to stop this man.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he gathers at the three-point line, and lays the ball up or dunks at, this guy is not normal.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that second over time he did, he pump faked.
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[UNKNOWN]: The guy went up, and he took two steps and dunked from the three-point line.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no exaggeration like he's gathering at the three-point line and he's dunking the ball I don't understand.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's making chat look like chat is like.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he's got He's got no chance.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's been cycle.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: No fucking chess.
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[UNKNOWN]: They can't Again, I have watched no MBA this year, okay?
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[UNKNOWN]: Oklahoma City, who's the other big geek?
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[UNKNOWN]: Heart and steam.
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[UNKNOWN]: What's his name?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, heart and steam.
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[UNKNOWN]: They can't even put them on the floor because they can't win.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, they did.
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[UNKNOWN]: So they had a news.
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[UNKNOWN]: Did you watch the most recent game?
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[UNKNOWN]: No, I only watched the double over.
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[UNKNOWN]: So they're new strategy in the game, yes, today.
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[UNKNOWN]: Was that heart and sign is just going to push when be the whole time?
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, oh.
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[UNKNOWN]: And the dare, the ruffs to call it.
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[UNKNOWN]: And the ruffs aren't going to call it that.
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[UNKNOWN]: Because he'd fall out in two minutes.
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[UNKNOWN]: So he's just like, has his hands on when me the entire time?
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[UNKNOWN]: And that's the idea is like, I'm going to wear him out by just being strong them.
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[UNKNOWN]: Because Chet's not stronger than him.
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[UNKNOWN]: And Chet's not better than him.
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[UNKNOWN]: So he's just destroying Chet.
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[UNKNOWN]: So they were like, Chet, you can't fit.
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[UNKNOWN]: You can't.
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[UNKNOWN]: Balled with this guy so they had a heart and sign out there and heart and sign the strategy was just like push this and just shove them out of the way as much as possible Now with that said when he's still you know Still pretty well.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's got the he does this thing now where he takes a shot and if he misses it He tips it back in with the other arm
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[UNKNOWN]: Which is like, if you haven't seen it, it's harder to describe.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: But nobody else can do that because nobody else is that taller.
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[UNKNOWN]: That close to the rim, but he'll lay it up with his right hand.
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[UNKNOWN]: And if it misses, you just tips it back in with his left.
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[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, that's insane.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's so stupid.
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[UNKNOWN]: You shouldn't be able to do that.
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel like I got to get him in foul trouble or something.
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[UNKNOWN]: These two good.
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[UNKNOWN]: But it's like they're only hope is to get this guy in foul trouble.
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[UNKNOWN]: But anyway, that was my watch three quarters of NBA basketball.
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[UNKNOWN]: They should take good takes.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, good good.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I have lots of takes.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I have lots of takes despite that.
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[UNKNOWN]: I refuse to watch Eastern Conference Finals.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think those are right now.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm not watching the fucking nicks.
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[UNKNOWN]: And you can't imagine.
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[UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't watch the nicks if you put your eyes open.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, no, there's not a bunch of hands every year.
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[UNKNOWN]: My only goal is bulls, mavericks and anybody but the nicks every year.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, at more times than not, I've won that every year.
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[UNKNOWN]: Every year, every year, 73, every year might go by live in 1979.
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[UNKNOWN]: Not even close to alive, so.
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[UNKNOWN]: All right.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, then you've won that wager every year then, betting against the next, rooting for anyone but the next, unless you're watching dollar bill Bradley and what Clyde for Asia was not.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, then there you go.
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[UNKNOWN]: Dave, the busher.
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[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
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[UNKNOWN]: I can name more nicks on that team.
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[UNKNOWN]: That is true.
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[UNKNOWN]: That is true.
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[UNKNOWN]: I can.
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[UNKNOWN]: I know.
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[UNKNOWN]: I know Brunford.
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[UNKNOWN]: Deep.
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[UNKNOWN]: You're four deep already on the 73 team.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm probably giving you eight of those guys.
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[UNKNOWN]: I know Brunson.
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[UNKNOWN]: Apparently there's somebody named OG.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know who that is.
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[UNKNOWN]: OG and I know.
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[UNKNOWN]: OG and I know.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: So like a half.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'll give you that.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
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[UNKNOWN]: The guy they got from the wolves.
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[UNKNOWN]: The big man, is he still there?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, Carl Anthony Town's cat is the kid's call him.
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[UNKNOWN]: The guy that plays like a bull in a china shop.
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[UNKNOWN]: He just falls down and sucks.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I have never seen a player acquire more offensive fouls than my life from the Carl Anthony Towns.
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[UNKNOWN]: It is the biggest he falls over himself forward so many times it's incredible how uncorrelated this guy is and he's 300 pounds and he just malls through It just gets called for offensive fouls constantly and then I don't know is Kenny sky Walker Unfortunately no longer part of the next.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay Charles Oakley Oak, I don't think he's there now
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, I think I'm out of Nick.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Charles Smith is no longer on the team, he has left.
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[UNKNOWN]: So he's still getting his layups blocked by the bulls or his grids.
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[UNKNOWN]: Or his grids?
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[UNKNOWN]: He's got a bit of a man, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I may say 30 more.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's long gone.
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[UNKNOWN]: Did he die?
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[UNKNOWN]: He did die.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think he'd have made some dead pests hard attack or something.
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[UNKNOWN]: Ah, yeah, yeah, couple years ago.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Not only, wow, couple years ago.
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[UNKNOWN]: And not yet, man.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh Charlie work was a tough one for me because I grew up and I was a huge Florida state football fan because of Charlie Ward.
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[UNKNOWN]: I was like a little kid and I was like, that guy's incredible because I was like, you know, I didn't know anything about being a quarterback and I was like, well, that guy's really good because he's running all over the place.
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[UNKNOWN]: And nobody could tackle him and they got drafted by the next.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, fuck, what do I do with this?
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[UNKNOWN]: And I hated him and it was so fucked because he was like the reason I became a Florida state football fan.
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[UNKNOWN]: I still kind of am today, not not too much, but then yeah, it was just like damn.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm in NYX that, Yuck.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you lived where I lived during that time, you couldn't believe the WFA and phone lines when it was Charlie Ward or Chris Childs, who were gonna go with the point go.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, we gotta go child, I think.
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[UNKNOWN]: I like Charlie Ward, but Chris Childs got more offense, right?
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[UNKNOWN]: Hot debates on the phone lines to Mike and the Mad Dog in those days, and, you know, at Joe Beningo, but yeah, I refuse to watch the next.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's why I don't know anybody on the team.
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[UNKNOWN]: Did they have a,
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[UNKNOWN]: that they have a scrappy white guy like uh... like the the balding dude on okc uh... carousel so you're boy your guy else carousel out's carousel has been in my vehicle yes uh... do they have a scrappy white guy the next like a carousel or who who's the guy that looks like the text is senator is he still on the sons the guy that everybody hated on duc
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Grayson Allen.
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[UNKNOWN]: Grayson Allen is Grayson Allen still on the sons.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think he is.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think he is.
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[UNKNOWN]: They are trying to think that the next have Tyler Colek, but I don't know if he quite counts.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's got minutes.
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[UNKNOWN]: A little bit.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know who they have.
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[UNKNOWN]: Jose Alvarado who's kind of an annoying white guy, but he's a Puerto Rican guy.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's not.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's got it.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's got to be a annoying white guy.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: The most punchable face in the NBA outside of Grayson Allen, who is going to hold that title until he retires.
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[UNKNOWN]: is the Celtic Pritchard.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I cannot see it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, God, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: How is he even good?
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he's really good.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's really good.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's really good.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, it makes no sense that he's good.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't know how he looks like me.
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[UNKNOWN]: He plays like me and he's really good for, so I don't understand any of it.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's got his fake good though.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't, I still don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: I just like bench player two years ago.
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[UNKNOWN]: I was good this year.
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[UNKNOWN]: He was really good this year.
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[UNKNOWN]: I know why I didn't, I'm so, listen, I don't know how he's good.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think it's fake good.
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[UNKNOWN]: You get a guy every few years that's fake good.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know what I'm saying
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[UNKNOWN]: And then it's like, they're not good anymore.
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[UNKNOWN]: You're like, how was that guy good for three years?
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[UNKNOWN]: There was, there was a couple of years where the nicks had Dante, Stephen Chenzo, who was exactly what you're talking about right there.
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[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
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[UNKNOWN]: Good.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, and like the scrappy annoying white guy that every, every good NBA team needs one of those guys.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know if you need one, but they usually have one.
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[UNKNOWN]: But they usually have one.
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[UNKNOWN]: I appreciate it.
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[UNKNOWN]: As a scrappy white guy myself, I appreciate representation matters, Joe.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's really nice.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's a good point.
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[UNKNOWN]: You be like, hey, that guy looks like me kind of, you know?
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[UNKNOWN]: They're usually Italians.
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[UNKNOWN]: So I don't want him back in his eyes.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that they even chenzo should be your guy.
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[UNKNOWN]: Usually Italian and went to Villanova.
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[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: My lack of MBA knowledge and there's so much to get to on this show is a packed show.
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[UNKNOWN]: It is a packed show.
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[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, we are going to preview coming up very soon here.
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[UNKNOWN]: Double or nothing.
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[UNKNOWN]: A, W, double or nothing.
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[UNKNOWN]: 20, 26 coming up this Sunday.
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[UNKNOWN]: We are also going to be doing instant reaction live for that show.
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[UNKNOWN]: I available exclusively on the $10 tier at flagship patreon.com.
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[UNKNOWN]: So that'd be Sunday night when the show is over whenever that may be.
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[UNKNOWN]: roughly 10, 11 PM Central.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know when these things end anymore.
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[UNKNOWN]: I seem to go longer and longer, 10 30 PM.
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[UNKNOWN]: Somewhere in that range.
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[UNKNOWN]: Whenever the show ends.
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[UNKNOWN]: One of the paper view ends will be going live on the $10 tier flagship Patreon.com.
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[UNKNOWN]: But again, we'll do a preview of that later in the show.
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[UNKNOWN]: We'll review our way to super card of honor, 2026.
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[UNKNOWN]: We'll recap and review the Algebraan Champion Carnival 2026 Finals, including your champion.
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[UNKNOWN]: Haddeki Suzuki win in the whole thing a couple of the top is well Brock Leser's return The retirements at WrestleMania was a short-lived retirement because he is back McFully is joining AEW and a pre-show role bearing Corbin Especially returning to WWE Enzo big cast possibly on their way as well on a bunch of other things that we'll talk about
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[UNKNOWN]: throughout the show, but I would do want to start real quick here with the life and career of Phil Hickerson.
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[UNKNOWN]: So I think we should get this out of the way now, so we don't forget about this, but kind of a cruel twist to fate here, because we just talked about this guy a couple of weeks ago, because when Dennis country passed away, we had a little bit of a discussion about Phil Hickerson, because Phil Hickerson, a former tag team partner of Dennis country.
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[UNKNOWN]: We did a little bit of a PY2I discussion for a
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[UNKNOWN]: Phil Hickerson passes away.
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[UNKNOWN]: So any thoughts on Phil Hickerson.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if we're going to do a full on bio for him, but at least want to talk about his life and career a little bit.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I know a lot about Phil Hickerson.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you want to talk about Phil Hickerson.
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[UNKNOWN]: Let's do it.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I watched a lot today.
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[UNKNOWN]: I went and I mean, I watched a lot for the Dennis Conjury thing, and then I watched a little bit more today.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't have a ton of big picture stuff on him, but we may as well give him his flowers.
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[UNKNOWN]: pretty straightforward career.
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[UNKNOWN]: First of all, I was stunned that he was 79 because I thought he always looked 50.
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[UNKNOWN]: I was like 70.
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[UNKNOWN]: Now, how do fuck is he only 79?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what was he in 1981?
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[UNKNOWN]: I was watching some like, you know, 1983 Memphis.
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[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, he looks 47 in all of those videos.
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[UNKNOWN]: So I mean, well, in 19, I mean, look, he, you know, he was a main eventer.
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[UNKNOWN]: 50 years ago, because 1976, he was already main-eventing with the bicentennial kings and everything.
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[UNKNOWN]: He was a main-eventer pretty much his old career, but that's 50 years ago, so that would have made him what?
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[UNKNOWN]: 29?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 20, 30 around that time.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 20, 30.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, and he just always looked older.
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[UNKNOWN]: By the time he was doing the PY2 high thing at the end of his career in Dallas, he looked like a guy that could have been 60.
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[UNKNOWN]: But that's that thing in the 70s and 80s, everybody looked older and they didn't
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[UNKNOWN]: take care of themselves as well.
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[UNKNOWN]: Plus he was always just a big guy.
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[UNKNOWN]: It was just a big fact guy from Jackson, Tennessee.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he really cared how he looked.
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[UNKNOWN]: So he's one of those guys just always looked older.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, and I was surprised he was only 79, but but again he has a pretty straightforward career.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he, the other interesting thing about Phil Hickerson is he spent his entire career in and around Tennessee.
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[UNKNOWN]: He never left.
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[UNKNOWN]: He wasn't one of these guys who,
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, would go to Portland for a year and then go to the Carolinas and then go to all these different territories.
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[UNKNOWN]: He didn't do that.
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[UNKNOWN]: He just stuck in and around the Tennessee area for the different territories there when he broke in.
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[UNKNOWN]: They had him teaming with Al Green.
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[UNKNOWN]: That was his first kind of main event run when he was not the WCW.
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[UNKNOWN]: And not the dog or Mr. Dog or whatever the fuck yeah big dog or whatever the fuck Al Green.
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[UNKNOWN]: Not that this green this Al Green has a different extra e on the end of his name different Al Green with the need the Tennessee Al Green that was probably born in 19 fucking 15 or whatever because Al Green by that time was
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[UNKNOWN]: was probably pushing 50, if not 50 years old.
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[UNKNOWN]: By the time he was teaming with Phil Hickerson in the mid 70s, Al Green was born in 1920.
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[UNKNOWN]: 1928.
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[UNKNOWN]: So Algreen was 50 in 1978.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, he was pushing 50.
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[UNKNOWN]: He was he was finishing up when he was teaming with Hickerson in 74.
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[UNKNOWN]: And then from there, like you mentioned, he formed the tag team with the young Dennis Conjury.
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[UNKNOWN]: And as we inched closer to 76 with the bicentennial, they became the bicentennial kings.
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[UNKNOWN]: And they were a main event act.
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[UNKNOWN]: for all three of the territories at the time, because in 77, of course, was the split between Goulas and Jarrett.
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[UNKNOWN]: So you had the two Tennessee territories there, plus you had Southeastern with the Fullers.
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[UNKNOWN]: So what Hickerson and Conjury would do is they worked all three of the, they would bounce from those three, they would bounce from Jarrett to Goulas to the Fullers every six months or so to keep themselves fresh, and they would always work on top wherever they landed.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, so if you look at like the title records, for example, they held all those different versions of those tag team titles in the Tennessee area, like probably dozens of times collectively, you know, and who knows how many are lost to history with all the wacky title changes they would do on a weekend week out basis, sometimes city specific and all of that.
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[UNKNOWN]: because they were always working on top and they kept themselves fresh by bouncing between those three territories.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think we talked a little bit about this when we talked about Dennis Conjury.
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[UNKNOWN]: What was convenient about that is like, you didn't even have to move, like you could just be able to Tennessee and then go work for Gullis, go work for Jared, go work for the Fuller's and South Eastern.
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[UNKNOWN]: And you could still have like a semi-reasonable drive home and sleep in your own bed a lot of the time and you wouldn't even have to so hickerson I mean, I don't know this, but there's a good chance he never even moved in his entire career.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't even know if you moved in his entire life because he was born.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure he moved in a different house, but he was born in Jackson Tennessee and he died in Jackson Tennessee.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like how often do you die in the town you were born in?
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[UNKNOWN]: He did feel like it's a dead Jackson Tennessee was a newborn Jackson Tennessee is where he died.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and really outside of going down to Dallas in 89 with the PY2 high gimmick, re was managed by Tojo Yamamoto, who he was always connected to in some way throughout his career, another longtime Memphis guy, and then they were doing like the fake Japanese gimmick where Yamamoto was his manager, and he would put on the
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[UNKNOWN]: the slanted eye face paint don't was a heel though if that makes anybody feel any better but you know in any head that feud with Eric and Bri obviously down Dallas but the only reason
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[UNKNOWN]: that he took that gimmick down to Dallas was because that's when Memphis bought out Dallas and they were doing the U.S. W.A.
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[UNKNOWN]: thing.
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[UNKNOWN]: Right.
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[UNKNOWN]: Where they were trying to, you know, so if not for that, he probably never would even even went to Dallas at that point.
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[UNKNOWN]: But even then he was working on top and at the late stages of his career doing this, you know, over the top gimmicky deal as
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[UNKNOWN]: for the standards of a dying territory in 1989, the Eric Embrie P. Y. Chu high-fued Drew by the standards of the era and for what, you know, you know, because all the territories were dying.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then that one particular dead story, I mean, we're talking what we did in 1989, I mean, they are, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: But that was legitimate hot feud and wrestling that was making the magazines and all of that at that time and then from there his career just trickled down because he was, you know, probably I guess not as old as we thought because I guess what in 92 if he would have been 40 would have been not even 50 by 92.
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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, anyway, he was teaming with Al Green early on and Al Green, like I said, was on the way out.
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[UNKNOWN]: He formed a team with Conjury and the bicentennial kings, like we talked about with Conjury.
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[UNKNOWN]: Great all-time, you know, pantheon tag team worker, but everybody thinks of the different incarnations of the Midnight Express that he worked with, whether it was the original Midnight Express or working with Bobby E in or working with Randy Rose.
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[UNKNOWN]: But you forget that the Hickerson Conjury team was a great, great team for about a half a decade and that part of the country, it always working on top.
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[UNKNOWN]: a main event act until really hickerson, bouncing between those three territories until hickerson had that injury which kept them out of wrestling for three or four years.
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[UNKNOWN]: And then he comes back and by the time he comes back in 84-85.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, Google is out of business and he's, you know, working for, you know, what people think of the Memphis Territory was the CWA, but Conjury had moved on, the Midnight Express was a thing by then, the Cornet version of the Midnight Express.
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[UNKNOWN]: So that is like almost the second act of Hickerson's career, but he stays in Memphis the whole time.
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[UNKNOWN]: And you know, he has, you know, some stuff with Jerry Lawler.
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[UNKNOWN]: He works with all the top guys.
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[UNKNOWN]: He was always a top guy.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think that he, because there's not a ton of footage of him out there, I mean, go try to find Phil Hickerson Dennis Conjury footage.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's scant.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's very hard to find those guys working as a team.
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[UNKNOWN]: In fact,
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[UNKNOWN]: the last couple of days is I've been nose and around.
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[UNKNOWN]: I legitimately think I found more Phil Hickerson, Al Green footage than Phil Hickerson, tennis country footage, which is strange and doesn't make sense because it was several years before then.
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[UNKNOWN]: there's obviously not a lot of southeastern out there.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's, you know, well known.
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[UNKNOWN]: I know Jordan Browsky has a lot of full episodes of southeastern from that era.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, a lot compared to other, you know, what else is out there.
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[UNKNOWN]: But other than that, that's always been a territory where the footage is scarce.
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[UNKNOWN]: Memphis there's plenty of footage out there.
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[UNKNOWN]: A lot of it's not great.
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[UNKNOWN]: But I was surprised at how much Al Green and Hickerson I found in comparison to Hickerson and Conjury.
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[UNKNOWN]: And Hickerson and Conjury is the stuff I really want to find.
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[UNKNOWN]: They'll just respect it to 50 year old Al Green.
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[UNKNOWN]: I want to watch Dennis Conjury and Phil Hickerson.
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[UNKNOWN]: I want to watch 24 year old Dennis Conjury.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
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[UNKNOWN]: When I got was great when he was 34.
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[UNKNOWN]: I loved the watch more of him when he was 24.
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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, they were a great tag team.
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[UNKNOWN]: That kind of gets forgotten and lost to history because there's just not a lot of footage of them.
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[UNKNOWN]: And they didn't stay put in the one place.
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[UNKNOWN]: They bounced between the three different territories.
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[UNKNOWN]: And then, of course, Dennis Conjury went on to much bigger things with the Midnight Express later.
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[UNKNOWN]: So as far as the PY2 high thing, again, that was 89.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's the tail end of Hickerson's career.
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[UNKNOWN]: They buy the Dallas territory and they do the big feud with Eric Emberry and he's the big heal and that's kind of like his last hurrah as a true meaningful top guy.
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[UNKNOWN]: He stuck around Memphis after that and did stuff as an older wrestler.
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[UNKNOWN]: Um, what I didn't know and what I think a lot of people are discovering now about Phil Harrison is he had a whole second career as a radio DJ who to fuck new.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, so he did that in the second half of his life and apparently was successful at it at a local level and passes away at the age of 79 a couple days ago.
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[UNKNOWN]: A lot of, if you'll go on YouTube and you look up Phil Hickerson, you're going to find more.
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[UNKNOWN]: you're going to find a lot more promos I would say than matches and there's a couple matches up there it's not like you're not going to find any matches but you're going to get a lot more of the promos and that's kind of what I watched a lot of today and over the last couple of days is is you know feel likeerson promos and they're really
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[UNKNOWN]: good.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they're really good for their time and they're really good for any era.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he's got the, you know, every man sort of style to him, but he was really good at the heel promos.
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[UNKNOWN]: He was really good at the face, uh, promos as well.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he did both in Memphis, like most guys did, depending on if you were teaming with Jerry Lawler or feeding with Jerry Lawler, it's dependent on if you were a healer of face, pretty much the entire time.
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[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, there's points where he's, you know, Ragnon Jerry Lawler and then there's points where he's teaming with Jerry Lawler and stuff.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he's, you know, Ragnon
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[UNKNOWN]: a couple of famous ones that I listen to today, which is interesting because he, the thing that's really cool about Phil Hickerson is like you said, he never really laughed.
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[UNKNOWN]: He didn't go a lot of other places.
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[UNKNOWN]: He was pretty much just in Tennessee for ever.
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[UNKNOWN]: And because of that, like you see him in all these different areas of Memphis.
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[UNKNOWN]: So if you watch Phil Hickerson, if you start to feel like he's in up on YouTube, you'll find stuff at him from the early early 80s.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he's to find stuff at him in the, like 83, 84, 85 that when he comes back from injury or whatever.
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[UNKNOWN]: And then you can, you know, see as Memphis starts to change a little bit, he's still there and then there's promos where he's in a promo battle with the, you know,
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[UNKNOWN]: the blade runners, you know, ultimate warrior and sting, you know, future ultimate warrior and future sting or whatever, that's a very famous one because ultimate warrior who's cutting a very good promo for the ultimate warrior for for for for for Jim Hellwig.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a very lucid Jim Hellwig promo and he's basically talking about how we go to the gym, look at us and that Phil Harrison guy.
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[UNKNOWN]: He never goes to the gym.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's a big ol' fat ass or whatever in the crowd like cheers, interestingly.
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[UNKNOWN]: And the philicerson comes out and then it famously goes why I don't go to the gym But all you do is pull your pants down and put that to needle in your butt And Lance Russell's like, oh come on Phil I feel that's how we're doing here Phil.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's not it.
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[UNKNOWN]: We don't know what they do
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[UNKNOWN]: It's obvious.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Jesus Christ like a gym hell wig and you know, whatever in 1987 or whatever, but Yeah, oh my god, I'd be like any four.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's right.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was like any 45 in Jesus Christ is a house He's just so fucking massive, but it's actually kind of interesting because Jim hellway cuts like a very good very normal problem He's like hey, Lance, yeah, so it's like wow, that's definitely okay and then a couple years after that
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a promo with him and Scott Steiner a very young Scott Steiner and that is like the worst promo you will ever hear I mean Scott can't say a word.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's tripping over himself.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's so nervous.
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[UNKNOWN]: He can't even he can't even say it Lance Russell's name right he can't even say the name of the title right he's just he just moderating himself and just stammering all over himself And it's just so funny again.
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[UNKNOWN]: We always talk about this that you don't get better at promos
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[UNKNOWN]: unless you talk you got to talk to get better a promo so you don't even like you can't just some guys are just born with it and they have it right away but a lot of guys have to work their asses off to become you know decent promos.
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[UNKNOWN]: I just recall the after you know watching that Scott Steiner you know Phil Hickerson promo and it's like you know Scott Steiner's put in 20th $2,000 on the line or something like that to have Hickerson you know challenging for the title or whatever.
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[UNKNOWN]: But um
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[UNKNOWN]: It's, you know, it's, it's interesting to see how horrible Scott Steinner was at cutting promos.
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[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, yeah, the guy's like 20 years old at this point.
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[UNKNOWN]: 22, 23 years old.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's very, very young.
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[UNKNOWN]: And of course, it would take many, many more years until Scott Steinner would kind of find himself.
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[UNKNOWN]: But, you know, we always say you can't find yourself as a promo unless you talk.
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[UNKNOWN]: So sometimes you got to go out there and you got to cut promos.
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[UNKNOWN]: And they're not always going to be great.
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[UNKNOWN]: just got to keep working and keep working eventually get a little bit better.
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[UNKNOWN]: But, uh, yeah, Heekerson's problem was, though, uh, really to me were the, the standouts.
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[UNKNOWN]: His, his angry work is, is, I don't, and I don't think anybody ever really, um,
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, did anybody really highly regard his work?
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[UNKNOWN]: It was more of a problem.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and they did, actually, for a big guy, because he looked like a truck driver.
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[UNKNOWN]: He just was a big, fat, balding guy with a beard.
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[UNKNOWN]: And you just don't have pro wrestlers that look like him anymore because Vince McMahon changed away that the public perceives the way a pro wrestler should look, right?
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[UNKNOWN]: And he kind of, he just,
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know who would be a modern equivalent to his look, I guess it would be, what was the ROH tag team with, in dying days, sinclair?
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, the frickin', I know who you're talking about, what was that dude's name?
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[UNKNOWN]: Sean Seedors in the chat, he'll know exactly what we're talking about.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the something brawler with the fuck was that guy's name?
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[UNKNOWN]: Beer brawler the beer bruiser saw something like that.
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[UNKNOWN]: I forget what the fuck uh beer city bruiser Beer city bruiser.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think it was beer city bruiser.
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[UNKNOWN]: Let's go with that.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's people are screaming at their and trust me I know I'm screaming at myself too that we can't the beer city bruiser.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think what's his name.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the beer city bruiser because he was The beer city bruiser was actually I have to look this up now in another life he was
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[UNKNOWN]: Dinti Moore, remember Dinti Moore from the aftermags that might be a little before you time.
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[UNKNOWN]: Dinti, no, yeah, that's a little bit for my time, I think.
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[UNKNOWN]: He was a PWI-500 guy that would always be ranked like number 489, he had a funny name.
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[UNKNOWN]: And then he became the beer-city bruiser later on and he teamed with Brian Malonis, right?
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[UNKNOWN]: Did the balancers, the balancers, the balancers, and the balancers.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, but outside of those guys
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[UNKNOWN]: You don't have guys that look like that look like Phil Hickerson anymore.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a static national television business.
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[UNKNOWN]: But no, he was well regarded as a worker and I know that the footage is scant, but you will find him doing highly athletic things for his era that will you will go holy shit that he just do that like,
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[UNKNOWN]: He almost did a sergeant slaughterway with like the wild bumps he would take and things like that.
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[UNKNOWN]: He was he was more athletic than I think people would give him credit for just looking at him.
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[UNKNOWN]: And as a worker, of course, I mean, you watch some of these tags if you could find the stuff of Conjury.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's just, it's that peak territory crispness is a worker that he had that a lot of people don't have today.
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[UNKNOWN]: So I don't think.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think he was considered a good worker for his time.
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[UNKNOWN]: He comes across OK on the tape that you can find.
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[UNKNOWN]: But he definitely had to look that would not, would have a hard time getting over today.
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[UNKNOWN]: We just don't have guys like that anymore.
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[UNKNOWN]: But it worked for Tennessee in 1977, because I'm sure a lot of the people just did look a lot of the rest of those looked like that.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: you know, especially in a lot of these territories.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, I talked about that with Dennis Conjury is, and I talked about a lot during tour of the territories, that's what a tough guy in the 1980s looked like.
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[UNKNOWN]: The tough guy wasn't, Phil, Jim hellwig with his giant steroids wasn't what a tough guy looked like.
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[UNKNOWN]: A tough guy looked like, a tough guy looked like,
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[UNKNOWN]: Phil Hickerson, a guy with a trucker head and big forearms, a big chest, and that's what you kind of looked like, you know, about 2010 is like the tough guy, you know, that's what tough guys looked like at that time, it was just like, you're uncle, you're really tough uncle that was in the war, like that's, you know, that's the tough guys of the era where you look at mid-South and mid-South doesn't fill a bunch of, you know, adonaces and, you know, guys with big giant muscles and abs or whatever, it was just a bunch of dudes with a gut, a big old
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[UNKNOWN]: they might work out with like they might bench press and that's about it like they're not doing any cardio they're not you know to a well balanced you know work out it's they might you know but mostly they're getting strong working on their car or working around the house or that's kind of the idea but they're or they're just born strong it's just like one of those guys that just naturally born strong or whatever that's what the look was and like yeah Vince McMahon just completely transforms it
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[UNKNOWN]: with Hulk Hogan and a couple other guys in the mid 80s and then turns it into okay unless you have abs and cut muscles you're not a tough guy and it's like not tough guys in 1983 were were Bob Sweetie and a Phil Hickerson like you know that that's what it looked like is is you know Jackson Tennessee for sure yes right yeah so you know it definitely but you know he'd come to the ring in the duster and a cowboy hat and everything and it's not you know he looked tough
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[UNKNOWN]: But you just, if you're a modern fan who doesn't watch a lot of wrestling from that era, it might be a little striking you to see this guy with this gigantic beer belly.
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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, he can move better than he looks.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's just he doesn't have, there's just not a ton of footage from his prime out there.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's plenty from after the injury when he comes back in the mid-80s.
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[UNKNOWN]: You could find tons of meat.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, late career, Phil Hickerson.
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[UNKNOWN]: But it's to stuff what Conjury, that's harder to come by.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, on YouTube specifically, there's a lot of people who upload Memphis stuff.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like unlabeled.
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[UNKNOWN]: And sometimes you've got to dig a little deeper.
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[UNKNOWN]: They won't have match listings or it'll it'll just there's a lot of videos on YouTube that just say like Memphis wrestling nineteen seventy eight and you and you just You get a watch the whole you get when you click video.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, our 42 minutes and you just got to watch it all and see what So times it's like 18 minutes and it's just like clips of two matches, but there's nothing in the description And it's just like all right.
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[UNKNOWN]: Let me give this a go and see what's on it and a lot of times
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[UNKNOWN]: you run into some gems because sometimes it'll be footage from Mid-South Colosseum, sometimes it'll be footage from the TV.
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[UNKNOWN]: The other thing you have to remember is at various points in the 70s, aside from the fact that you had the split.
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[UNKNOWN]: You also had studio shows in a lot of the different cities.
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[UNKNOWN]: You didn't just have the Memphis show that everybody's familiar with, you had studio shows in some of the other cities too.
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[UNKNOWN]: And some of that shit is still floating
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[UNKNOWN]: There's just all kinds of weird shit out there that, particularly on YouTube that a lot of times is unlabeled or labeled in a nod way, and sometimes it's fun to just go through that stuff, especially when you're preparing for something like this where you're going to talk about a guy.
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[UNKNOWN]: and you're like, no, I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: I might, this one might hit.
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[UNKNOWN]: It says this wrestling 1976.
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[UNKNOWN]: Let me give it a shot and see what's on it.
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[UNKNOWN]: And you're like, oh, there you go.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's four minutes of a bicentennial king's match that I can watch here.
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[UNKNOWN]: So that's Phil Hickerson, I think, and the PY2, we talked about that a little bit already, I think, we're, you are fascinated with the PY2, huh?
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[UNKNOWN]: I just, I really am.
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[UNKNOWN]: I really am.
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[UNKNOWN]: What's interesting about that is if you go and watch those matches, and there's a lot of them with Eric and Brewer, whatever they're out there.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's in like way better shape as he was earlier and he's like still pretty fat But you see there's like a noticeable difference in his in his in his weight like the guy clearly You know by that point his career had really tried to drop a couple pounds and it's it's interesting See as he sort of evolves in this this is new career and this new you know gimmick or whatever and it's
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[UNKNOWN]: It's it's weird.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's definitely strange, but yeah, I watch a lot of the U.S. W.I.
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[UNKNOWN]: stuff.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like you said, it's dying days U.S.
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[UNKNOWN]: W.A., but it was successful.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, for for relative so is it as successful as 1983 World Class of course not, but for 1989.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for that era, it was it was definitely
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[UNKNOWN]: The popping the territory is probably not the right word, but it was keeping the territory of float.
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[UNKNOWN]: It was helping, you know, get things going in the territory, helping draw some people to the building, at least for a little bit there.
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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: I was joy to that.
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[UNKNOWN]: I guess don't forget his random algebra pan, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, tag league tour.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Crusher Blackwell.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Him and Jerry Blackwell, my god.
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[UNKNOWN]: How did that look like?
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[UNKNOWN]: Now, allegedly some of this is on tape.
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[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't able to really find any.
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[UNKNOWN]: But, you know, they got they finished last place in the tournament and I don't know if Black won't win back, but Hickerson definitely never won back.
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[UNKNOWN]: But they would win non-tournament matches against young boys.
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[UNKNOWN]: That was it.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you look at the tour and you look at the records, they lost every tournament match.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, they had a double count out with Dick Slater and Tommy Rich.
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[UNKNOWN]: But they lost every other tournament match, but they did beat some of the young boys on some of the non-tournament nights, and that was pretty much all they got.
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[UNKNOWN]: Other than that, they would lose every night.
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[UNKNOWN]: on the on the tour and hickerson wasn't invited back at any point maybe he didn't want to go back who knows let me check Jerry blackwell see if he ever went back to Japan I guess he did yeah he went back in oh he had several yeah every few years of old Japan would bring him in I guess so but hickerson never that actually that was the last time blackwell ever went 88 so that was his
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[UNKNOWN]: But yes, so outside of that and that you know, little running Dallas, the guy never left Tennessee.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, and it was always a headliner, and presumably it was making decent money, and you saw a very unique career from that standpoint to be able to just, in that era, from like 74 to 90, and never leaving, like, really never leaving the state, and being a headliner a whole time, that's, it's unique.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's, it says something for a guy to, you know, have that sting power because one over.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: And stay over.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think is the biggest thing.
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[UNKNOWN]: Because in that era, it was like, the fans were used to, guys coming and going.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, very rarely, yes, you had your Jerry Lawlers or whatever, but yeah, for the most part, guys were, would come and go, you know, they would come and go and they would come and go.
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[UNKNOWN]: Your tippy tippy top guys might stay around, but for the most part, guys are going to come and go and everybody underneath.
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[UNKNOWN]: is going to completely you know move every couple years and you know every six months maybe even you'll get guys moving and he's a state he just fucking stayed around forever never and ever and it's it's kind of fascinating that he was able to do that and still be an important part of the territory and still like you said be over I think said something about him as well so
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[UNKNOWN]: Look at some of these old roll taglies, I recall I was doing a WrestleMania randomizer this year for the Patreon and I was talking about Andre that giant in 1991 because he had that match with the Haku or was that maybe it was about six, the WrestleMania six match with the Haku against demolition and I remember looking that he was in the 91 real world tag league.
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[UNKNOWN]: Him and giant Bob of 1991, my god, they got 20 points.
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[UNKNOWN]: I haven't seen any of that stuff, but man, that's got to be pretty rough.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's brutal because he literally needs the ropes to stand he can't stand without holding the ropes Yeah, it's it's as bad as you as it's as you think it is and you're in your in your mind And this actually ties into what we did at the very top of the show But there's actually people who think Andre was good That's weren't in that era because And I probably guess who the people are but they you know
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's amazing how he holds on on the road and what he manages to do with the negative space.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's what he said.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, as he has he can barely hold himself up like a broke thing.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, because I was watching the match with him and Haku versus demolition and that's a year prior and he cannot move at all.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he is completely remote.
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[UNKNOWN]: And it's even worse at that point, it's it's it's it's it's really fucking brutal the stuff at the end he does with all Japan.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's some of the worst broadcasting you'll ever seen your life and it's sad.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's sad to watch because this is a guy who
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I, all I can think about watching him barely able to hold himself up on the ropes and those matches is the, is the, is the flights.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Is the flights had a fucked, did he fly back and forth in the condition that he was in?
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[UNKNOWN]: The, the, the weight he was carrying.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's honestly hard to watch.
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[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I'm insulted that people put it over that it was good.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's insulting to me that, because it was, it's sad, really.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's sad and you should have never been in a position.
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[UNKNOWN]: Now, maybe he wanted to do it because he didn't know anything else.
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[UNKNOWN]: he knew he was dying and he wanted to be around the boys.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Andre was hurting for money at the end.
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[UNKNOWN]: I never heard anything like that.
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[UNKNOWN]: Didn't he own a giant ranch in North Carolina?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's where he died.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't think he was hurt.
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[UNKNOWN]: I didn't die there, but that's where he's.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's like a memorial there.
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[UNKNOWN]: Is he buried?
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[UNKNOWN]: He's not buried there.
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[UNKNOWN]: Is he's buried at France, I believe.
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[UNKNOWN]: But there's a memorial for Edith's Ranch.
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[UNKNOWN]: But so maybe it's just a matter of he just wanted to do what he like to do and be around the people he like to be around until the end.
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[UNKNOWN]: But I find that stuff to be hard to watch and said, Yeah, I've never, I've never checked it out and I don't think I really want to.
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[UNKNOWN]: Although the idea of watching sunny beach and Johnny Ace versus onto the giant and giant Baba does sound slightly interesting to me, but yeah, I mean, you know, it's in a perverse way.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's some of the worst shit you'll ever see.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it sounds absolutely terrible.
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[UNKNOWN]: But there you go.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's Phil Hickerson.
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[UNKNOWN]: I should note as well before we get into the other topics of the day that there was another death that actually has a relation to professional wrestling as a former WWE 247 champion Kyle Bush NASCAR racing legend Kyle Bush tragically passed away 41 years old.
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[UNKNOWN]: for Kyle Bush just didn't feel good went to the hospital and then their news came out a couple hours later that he was dead so I don't know what that'll happen.
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[UNKNOWN]: We haven't gotten anything yet.
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[UNKNOWN]: Guy just raced in one race like six days ago.
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[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't feeling good a couple weeks ago and then he was feeling fine last week and then raced and now he's he's dead but a former 24-7 champion at one point.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know who he let me.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember all the 24-7 champion.
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[UNKNOWN]: Let's see who he
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel like in my head, it was always just a cure for the wrong around.
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[UNKNOWN]: Ah, yeah, I think so.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think so.
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[UNKNOWN]: Let's see Kyle Bush when he...
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[UNKNOWN]: It's not a remember any of this anyway, but...
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[UNKNOWN]: All right, Kyle Bush, he technically beat our truth for December 2nd, 2019.
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[UNKNOWN]: Here's the note from my capita took place at ringside with Michael Walltrip as a special guest referee, cross-promotion with NASCAR on NBC as part of the monster energy NASCAR Cup series year and award ceremony in Nashville commemorating the 2019 NASCAR season that aired on NBC sports network three days later.
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[UNKNOWN]: okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, so there you go.
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[UNKNOWN]: One time champion, he lost it later that night too, uh, to our truth again.
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[UNKNOWN]: So, and then, uh, here it says I would beat it from our truth for it, but technically, uh, was our truth.
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[UNKNOWN]: That, uh, that one of them I'm so, there you go.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's a big one, he's like, uh,
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[UNKNOWN]: He might be tapped out all time in terms of NASCAR drivers, very successful, a lot of wins, a lot of disciplines.
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[UNKNOWN]: He just got sick and died.
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[UNKNOWN]: Nobody's quite sure.
59:26.855 --> 59:39.887
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we don't know just yeah, like I said like two weeks ago he wasn't he was on a race and didn't feel very well and you know got medical attention and then everything seemed fine and then he race last week want to truck race and then six days later whatever he's dead.
59:40.067 --> 59:40.207
[UNKNOWN]: So
59:41.360 --> 59:45.083
[UNKNOWN]: 41 years old, so I really put some puts it all in a perspective a little bit.
59:45.644 --> 59:49.026
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not that much younger than Kyle Blush, so.
59:49.227 --> 59:50.207
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
59:51.408 --> 59:58.915
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, that's why do I say that real quick and then yeah, let's do what hits some other news before we get into the previews and reviews.
59:59.455 --> 59:59.935
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:00:00.136 --> 01:00:00.616
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do that.
01:00:00.656 --> 01:00:00.896
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:00:01.617 --> 01:00:02.598
[UNKNOWN]: Baron Corbin.
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:04.199
[UNKNOWN]: It's.
01:00:04.619 --> 01:00:07.060
[UNKNOWN]: I keep seeing Baron Corbyn lines.
01:00:07.200 --> 01:00:08.260
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:08.960
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:00:09.040 --> 01:00:09.701
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:00:09.721 --> 01:00:10.001
[UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:00:10.461 --> 01:00:12.881
[UNKNOWN]: Why for the last three or four days?
01:00:13.242 --> 01:00:13.902
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:00:13.922 --> 01:00:19.723
[UNKNOWN]: I have various new sites been tracking with tons of energy.
01:00:20.304 --> 01:00:24.485
[UNKNOWN]: Every step of this Baron Corbyn WWE negotiation.
01:00:24.945 --> 01:00:34.768
[UNKNOWN]: they're treating this like some major free agent is on the cusp of signing with this company and we're getting like hourly barring Corbin updates.
01:00:35.489 --> 01:00:36.629
[UNKNOWN]: What's going on Rich?
01:00:36.729 --> 01:00:37.929
[UNKNOWN]: Why is happening?
01:00:38.149 --> 01:00:42.651
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, it's what's happening is barring Corbin is talking to people, right?
01:00:42.751 --> 01:00:43.651
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's what's happening, right?
01:00:43.671 --> 01:00:45.472
[UNKNOWN]: Barring Corbin just in DM's telling people,
01:00:45.712 --> 01:00:48.313
[UNKNOWN]: Who gives a fuck about Baron Corbyn?
01:00:48.333 --> 01:00:49.153
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
01:00:49.754 --> 01:00:51.975
[UNKNOWN]: He's gonna sign with WWE.
01:00:52.415 --> 01:01:02.799
[UNKNOWN]: He's gonna show up and everyone's gonna go crazy and then he's gonna promptly be moved to the midcard, never to be seen again and he's gonna cut me here and we're wasting all of this time and energy.
01:01:03.279 --> 01:01:05.360
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, seriously, I'm Baron fucking Corbyn.
01:01:05.560 --> 01:01:08.963
[UNKNOWN]: Baron Corbin, I can't believe the attention this is getting.
01:01:09.584 --> 01:01:13.688
[UNKNOWN]: Baron Corbin, resigning with WWE is a fucking footnote.
01:01:14.169 --> 01:01:16.831
[UNKNOWN]: This is being treated like it's a major story.
01:01:16.891 --> 01:01:18.253
[UNKNOWN]: I'm seeing it everywhere.
01:01:18.273 --> 01:01:20.395
[UNKNOWN]: We're just Baron Corbin.
01:01:21.776 --> 01:01:28.162
[UNKNOWN]: I saw somebody point out that Baron Corbin probably essentially took the 50, you know, they were given the 50% pay cards and people, you know.
01:01:28.182 --> 01:01:28.523
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:01:29.103 --> 01:01:37.532
[UNKNOWN]: He probably is going to get a 50% like they fired him and then they're just going to rehire him probably a 50% of what he was being paid before and he will gladly take it because he doesn't want to do the indies.
01:01:37.552 --> 01:01:50.705
[UNKNOWN]: We know that and it's like, all right, yeah, let's bring in Baron Corbin and there's like, you know, blow by blow stuff, you know, the reason why is Baron Corbin is probably talking to people and the other rumor is that he's going to do something with Dan House and we know
01:01:50.745 --> 01:01:57.951
[UNKNOWN]: know that little right who cares what Mr. Dan Housing likes to tell people things that are happening in and around his career.
01:01:58.551 --> 01:02:04.556
[UNKNOWN]: I think so because there's a lot of updates about Dan Housing a lot of times all the time from certain sources all the time constantly.
01:02:05.237 --> 01:02:14.244
[UNKNOWN]: So that's where I'm guessing you're getting another flood of bearing Corbin updates is that Mr. Dan Housing is probably letting everybody know what's happened with bearing Corbin as his bearing Corbin.
01:02:14.605 --> 01:02:15.986
[UNKNOWN]: But if I'm an editor,
01:02:16.746 --> 01:02:17.986
[UNKNOWN]: And those guys are in my DMs.
01:02:18.006 --> 01:02:22.408
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to say, all right, look, we published three barren Corbin stories yesterday.
01:02:22.448 --> 01:02:23.788
[UNKNOWN]: We're just not going to publish a one today.
01:02:23.888 --> 01:02:24.268
[UNKNOWN]: It's fine.
01:02:24.288 --> 01:02:24.829
[UNKNOWN]: Like we don't need to.
01:02:25.229 --> 01:02:26.409
[UNKNOWN]: We don't need blow by blow.
01:02:26.709 --> 01:02:27.009
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:02:27.249 --> 01:02:29.770
[UNKNOWN]: He has just informed MLW that he is no longer.
01:02:30.270 --> 01:02:30.970
[UNKNOWN]: They're changing.
01:02:30.990 --> 01:02:34.792
[UNKNOWN]: We're getting seriously getting step by step blow by blow.
01:02:35.352 --> 01:02:36.752
[UNKNOWN]: Barren Corbin updates this week.
01:02:36.772 --> 01:02:38.233
[UNKNOWN]: It must just be a slow news week.
01:02:38.433 --> 01:02:39.973
[UNKNOWN]: I know there's an AWP review.
01:02:40.513 --> 01:02:42.274
[UNKNOWN]: There must not be a lot of else going on.
01:02:42.834 --> 01:02:45.515
[UNKNOWN]: This this constant stream of barren Corbin updates.
01:02:46.195 --> 01:02:57.826
[UNKNOWN]: Baron Corbin, resigning with WWE, you know what, that's like, that's worthy of like one sentence at the end of the WWE section of the observe.
01:02:57.866 --> 01:03:01.930
[UNKNOWN]: Right, WWE, that's what that is, there's one lot of WWE colon.
01:03:02.250 --> 01:03:06.995
[UNKNOWN]: Baron Corbin, a comma, a Tom Pestock, for every, you know,
01:03:08.136 --> 01:03:11.257
[UNKNOWN]: It looks to be reciting because it looks to be returning in the coming weeks.
01:03:11.277 --> 01:03:12.357
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, period.
01:03:12.517 --> 01:03:33.241
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's the last thing in the section underneath all of the How show gates Underneath the play by play notes from the three 25, you know, right, and it's like you know No started with straight-page Yo from the gates from WWE 2K 28 coming out in 18 months
01:03:34.021 --> 01:04:02.722
[UNKNOWN]: After all of that, it'd be like one line at the end, Baron Corbin, Pritz, he's a Tom Bestock, Bench Press, one, three hundred of worry about, is returning to WWE, that it would be worthy of one fucking scent it, he wouldn't get a top store, it wouldn't be one of the lead stories in the Observer, there's no fucking chance, like he wouldn't get, you know, not even two or three power graphs, it'd be a one line at the end of the WWE section, after everything else.
01:04:03.322 --> 01:04:08.324
[UNKNOWN]: but for whatever reason, we're getting blow by blow updates on Baron Corbin.
01:04:08.744 --> 01:04:14.647
[UNKNOWN]: It has been so surreal and bizarre to me, but this is happening.
01:04:14.987 --> 01:04:17.288
[UNKNOWN]: Who gives a shit about Baron Corbin?
01:04:17.308 --> 01:04:25.752
[UNKNOWN]: The current aggregation game is, there was a time last week, I think the rest of the server website had four stories on like, shanky.
01:04:25.812 --> 01:04:26.512
[UNKNOWN]: Remember shanky?
01:04:26.692 --> 01:04:28.754
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, yeah, what the fuck are we doing?
01:04:28.834 --> 01:04:29.594
[UNKNOWN]: What are we talking about?
01:04:29.614 --> 01:04:30.395
[UNKNOWN]: He ain't keep doing it.
01:04:30.415 --> 01:04:31.315
[UNKNOWN]: What are we doing?
01:04:31.335 --> 01:04:32.256
[UNKNOWN]: Do we need one?
01:04:32.616 --> 01:04:34.498
[UNKNOWN]: Let alone four shinky updates?
01:04:34.518 --> 01:04:35.158
[UNKNOWN]: You know what that means?
01:04:35.198 --> 01:04:36.999
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's the state of the aggregation.
01:04:37.019 --> 01:04:37.360
[UNKNOWN]: You're right.
01:04:37.380 --> 01:04:42.223
[UNKNOWN]: I think maybe someone's putting out a barren Corbin report, which is funny on its own face.
01:04:42.563 --> 01:04:43.424
[UNKNOWN]: They're putting out a barren.
01:04:43.764 --> 01:04:45.486
[UNKNOWN]: And then because it's getting aggregated.
01:04:45.726 --> 01:04:50.029
[UNKNOWN]: And then if you have a follow-up to your barren Corbin story, they're all going to aggregate that.
01:04:50.549 --> 01:04:53.773
[UNKNOWN]: So now everyone's just inundated with the pack We're part of the day.
01:04:53.833 --> 01:04:54.713
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you updates.
01:04:54.733 --> 01:04:55.654
[UNKNOWN]: What are you doing?
01:04:55.855 --> 01:04:57.516
[UNKNOWN]: I mean it's a god no one cares.
01:04:57.536 --> 01:04:57.997
[UNKNOWN]: Do you know how?
01:04:58.057 --> 01:05:06.946
[UNKNOWN]: No, I know no one cares because he was one half of the ML服 you Tag Team champions and no one fucking care No one is buying tickets or clamor in the seed.
01:05:07.306 --> 01:05:08.387
[UNKNOWN]: It's barren Corbin
01:05:09.348 --> 01:05:11.330
[UNKNOWN]: They're resigning a mid-carder.
01:05:12.410 --> 01:05:15.072
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying it's not news, but my God.
01:05:16.333 --> 01:05:19.956
[UNKNOWN]: We've been flooded with this like AJ Styles is coming back or something.
01:05:19.996 --> 01:05:22.437
[UNKNOWN]: It's barren core.
01:05:26.700 --> 01:05:29.522
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he can bring men cat moss back with them while he's at it.
01:05:29.562 --> 01:05:30.283
[UNKNOWN]: It's moss, yeah.
01:05:31.331 --> 01:05:34.114
[UNKNOWN]: If Med Cat Moss came back, it'd probably be the same thing.
01:05:34.154 --> 01:05:34.994
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, yeah.
01:05:35.595 --> 01:05:42.221
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Med Cat Moss, on his way back, he's rumored for SmackDown, when he could get Med Cat Moss.
01:05:46.084 --> 01:05:46.825
[UNKNOWN]: It's absurd.
01:05:48.576 --> 01:05:49.857
[UNKNOWN]: Remember he was poor.
01:05:50.057 --> 01:05:52.398
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he was a happy Corbin there for a while.
01:05:52.418 --> 01:05:58.720
[UNKNOWN]: He's happy Corbin because he found money and then he was telling jokes him in medcap Ma- Alright, bring that guy back.
01:05:58.780 --> 01:06:04.082
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why this is big news But apparently it's it's more than a one-liner and you observe her now.
01:06:04.403 --> 01:06:08.944
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but All right, what am I supposed to do with this other than riff on it?
01:06:09.005 --> 01:06:09.765
[UNKNOWN]: What am I supposed to?
01:06:10.205 --> 01:06:11.385
[UNKNOWN]: What am I supposed to do?
01:06:11.405 --> 01:06:15.387
[UNKNOWN]: Break down very Corbin's room and just come back to the top of you.
01:06:15.467 --> 01:06:16.868
[UNKNOWN]: What would you like me to say about that?
01:06:17.688 --> 01:06:18.889
[UNKNOWN]: Do you have something to say about it?
01:06:19.149 --> 01:06:19.730
[UNKNOWN]: I have nothing.
01:06:19.970 --> 01:06:20.391
[UNKNOWN]: I have nothing.
01:06:20.411 --> 01:06:27.938
[UNKNOWN]: I'll have to tell you, I'm looking up to Baron Corbin news and just here's the state of wrestling aggregations.
01:06:27.958 --> 01:06:31.582
[UNKNOWN]: I'm on WrestleZone.com and trending.
01:06:33.259 --> 01:06:33.619
[UNKNOWN]: trending.
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:43.341
[UNKNOWN]: The second trending story is, quote, new update emerges on former WWE star Hayden Reich after viral Walmart photo.
01:06:43.401 --> 01:06:44.261
[UNKNOWN]: What are we doing?
01:06:44.321 --> 01:06:44.581
[UNKNOWN]: What?
01:06:45.362 --> 01:06:45.682
[UNKNOWN]: What?
01:06:45.962 --> 01:06:46.102
[UNKNOWN]: What?
01:06:46.122 --> 01:06:53.143
[UNKNOWN]: Do you want me to collect and find out what the new update that has emerged on former WWE star Hayden Reich after his viral Walmart photo?
01:06:53.563 --> 01:06:53.823
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:06:54.744 --> 01:06:55.084
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see.
01:06:56.404 --> 01:06:59.647
[UNKNOWN]: This is from, I don't know how to pronounce this lad's name.
01:06:59.667 --> 01:07:00.428
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm just not even gonna do it.
01:07:00.908 --> 01:07:07.975
[UNKNOWN]: For Adobe Star, Hydenrik stars a little stronger as once again, getting attention following his viral Walmart photo earlier this year.
01:07:08.195 --> 01:07:11.659
[UNKNOWN]: Were you aware of the viral WWE stars?
01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:13.080
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, not with viral memes.
01:07:13.781 --> 01:07:15.082
[UNKNOWN]: That's not with viral memes.
01:07:15.362 --> 01:07:15.923
[UNKNOWN]: Do you know what?
01:07:16.223 --> 01:07:18.065
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, do you know what was viral?
01:07:19.342 --> 01:07:20.385
[UNKNOWN]: Two girls, one cup.
01:07:20.466 --> 01:07:20.867
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:07:20.907 --> 01:07:22.492
[UNKNOWN]: Chocolate room, it was viral.
01:07:22.572 --> 01:07:24.077
[UNKNOWN]: The fucking goats was viral.
01:07:24.759 --> 01:07:26.043
[UNKNOWN]: This, whatever this is.
01:07:27.411 --> 01:07:29.993
[UNKNOWN]: It's not fire, it was never viral at any point.
01:07:30.134 --> 01:07:33.216
[UNKNOWN]: There was no viral hiding right picture at any point.
01:07:33.957 --> 01:07:35.739
[UNKNOWN]: Words have to mean things.
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:42.665
[UNKNOWN]: Cool, earlier this year, Hyderach went viral after a Walmart co-worker shared a wholesome story about meeting him in Ohio.
01:07:43.005 --> 01:07:45.968
[UNKNOWN]: Before we done, we started to receive praise online afterwards.
01:07:46.408 --> 01:07:49.732
[UNKNOWN]: Fans praised him for being humble and friendly during the interaction.
01:07:50.052 --> 01:07:53.435
[UNKNOWN]: Hyderach also cited action figure for the fan.
01:07:57.827 --> 01:08:01.968
[UNKNOWN]: This is all the story following the viral Walmart photo.
01:08:02.368 --> 01:08:07.189
[UNKNOWN]: A new update has now emerged regarding Hydenrike on X formerly known as Twitter.
01:08:07.229 --> 01:08:09.170
[UNKNOWN]: I love that they're still using X formerly known as Twitter.
01:08:09.450 --> 01:08:16.131
[UNKNOWN]: The same fan reveal that he recently spoke with the former Dundee star and claim Hydenrike is now ready to make public appearances again.
01:08:16.531 --> 01:08:19.032
[UNKNOWN]: The fan wrote quote, I just got out the phone with Hydenrike.
01:08:19.352 --> 01:08:22.374
[UNKNOWN]: Many of you have seen the photo of him working all my months ago, no, I did not.
01:08:22.974 --> 01:08:33.380
[UNKNOWN]: Since then, we've taught, and now he is ready to accept bookings for appearances, signings, interviews, acting, and product endorsements to inquire about booking him for all types of appearances.
01:08:33.400 --> 01:08:34.441
[UNKNOWN]: It seems very specific.
01:08:34.461 --> 01:08:36.162
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like this man's got to take on this.
01:08:37.803 --> 01:08:40.524
[UNKNOWN]: To inquire about booking him for all types of appearances, accept matches.
01:08:40.544 --> 01:08:42.485
[UNKNOWN]: So you can't book Hydenryk and a match.
01:08:42.525 --> 01:08:45.107
[UNKNOWN]: Please contact at book pro wrestler.
01:08:46.180 --> 01:08:49.041
[UNKNOWN]: or also Steve NWA 11 at yahoo.com.
01:08:49.681 --> 01:08:53.442
[UNKNOWN]: So Baron Court, not Baron Court, but so Hayden Reich planted this, obviously.
01:08:53.502 --> 01:08:53.962
[UNKNOWN]: Clearly yes.
01:08:53.982 --> 01:08:54.942
[UNKNOWN]: Because he's trying to get booked.
01:08:55.042 --> 01:08:55.242
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:08:56.042 --> 01:08:57.103
[UNKNOWN]: There was no viral photo.
01:08:57.703 --> 01:08:59.083
[UNKNOWN]: No, the viral Walmart photo.
01:09:00.023 --> 01:09:00.663
[UNKNOWN]: That's not viral.
01:09:00.683 --> 01:09:01.824
[UNKNOWN]: That doesn't count as viral.
01:09:01.844 --> 01:09:04.344
[UNKNOWN]: That's not viral.
01:09:05.665 --> 01:09:06.765
[UNKNOWN]: Words have to mean things.
01:09:08.459 --> 01:09:13.680
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so he's trying to get booked and got them to publish this is what this is his agent or him.
01:09:13.700 --> 01:09:14.841
[UNKNOWN]: So I dead.
01:09:14.861 --> 01:09:19.862
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Nick has an WA 11 at Yahoo.com and every at book for wrestlers or whatever is now.
01:09:19.902 --> 01:09:21.702
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, it's hiding right at Walmart.
01:09:22.182 --> 01:09:23.022
[UNKNOWN]: It is viral.
01:09:23.183 --> 01:09:23.983
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he is back.
01:09:24.483 --> 01:09:25.363
[UNKNOWN]: He was so nice.
01:09:25.423 --> 01:09:27.624
[UNKNOWN]: He signed a figure for a fan.
01:09:27.724 --> 01:09:28.104
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:09:38.767 --> 01:09:40.388
[UNKNOWN]: just to see what his rates are and everything.
01:09:40.508 --> 01:09:41.229
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a bad idea.
01:09:41.369 --> 01:09:46.233
[UNKNOWN]: I'll want you to go send an email to Nick at www.leaven.com or whatever the fuck.
01:09:47.174 --> 01:09:49.816
[UNKNOWN]: And see if Hyden Rike will endorse this podcast.
01:09:49.836 --> 01:09:50.077
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:09:50.916 --> 01:09:53.118
[UNKNOWN]: I hold the interest in the product and or podcast.
01:09:53.178 --> 01:10:01.966
[UNKNOWN]: In this endorsement, not particularly, they'll probably answer you back in 17 minutes because that's the only, they're not getting any other product endorsement.
01:10:02.006 --> 01:10:12.516
[UNKNOWN]: They're not getting any emails, which sucks because after, after you would think after his viral Walmart photo, that things would really pop off for him, but it didn't.
01:10:12.576 --> 01:10:15.518
[UNKNOWN]: So there's a, there's a happy Corbin updates.
01:10:17.689 --> 01:10:34.239
[UNKNOWN]: you know what we're going to jump in MLW we will we will talk about big cast and ends of here in a minute but ML dov is coming back show MLW fusion after all this time so so here's here's the blow by blow of what happened so MLW had a very good thing going for years and years and years
01:10:34.819 --> 01:10:44.827
[UNKNOWN]: went good for us, maybe not good for their financials, but they would have these YouTube specials once a month in between that they might have like every other week, like a two hour special, whatever.
01:10:44.847 --> 01:10:45.228
[UNKNOWN]: It was nice.
01:10:45.268 --> 01:10:50.172
[UNKNOWN]: It was nice and easy for us to watch and a good filler for podcasts, you know, topics.
01:10:50.192 --> 01:10:50.832
[UNKNOWN]: So it was perfect.
01:10:50.852 --> 01:10:51.633
[UNKNOWN]: So we watch it for a while.
01:10:51.973 --> 01:10:58.339
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that all went away at the beginning of this year that all went away because they said and they'll be fusion is coming back and it was like all this big hype and all this stuff.
01:10:59.419 --> 01:10:59.720
[UNKNOWN]: And Joe,
01:11:01.001 --> 01:11:12.472
[UNKNOWN]: MLW will not be coming back, it will usher in a new era, but they special 2 hour from here on May 30th, and it will air on YouTube every single week.
01:11:13.275 --> 01:11:13.695
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:11:13.915 --> 01:11:20.719
[UNKNOWN]: So they went away for six months where they shot in this thing and it just nobody took it.
01:11:20.759 --> 01:11:24.780
[UNKNOWN]: Like, be in, we checked about be in and like, nobody has be in, so we're not even going to do it.
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:29.002
[UNKNOWN]: But after all these six months, they're just going to be MLW fusion.
01:11:29.022 --> 01:11:32.684
[UNKNOWN]: It's just going to air our long episodes on Saturday on YouTube.
01:11:34.985 --> 01:11:38.547
[UNKNOWN]: My guess is yes, they were shopping this thing and we're right back on YouTube.
01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:50.747
[UNKNOWN]: for an hour instead of, you know, the two shows a month that were full shows that were like two hours long.
01:11:51.888 --> 01:11:54.911
[UNKNOWN]: So slightly different format than what we were getting earlier.
01:11:56.632 --> 01:11:57.793
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to watch it weekly though.
01:11:58.074 --> 01:11:59.595
[UNKNOWN]: No, this is not as appealing to me.
01:11:59.635 --> 01:12:00.696
[UNKNOWN]: No, I like to buy a little guy.
01:12:00.736 --> 01:12:01.737
[UNKNOWN]: I like you need a gap.
01:12:01.757 --> 01:12:02.458
[UNKNOWN]: You need an MLW.
01:12:02.498 --> 01:12:03.399
[UNKNOWN]: It's same with NWA.
01:12:03.599 --> 01:12:04.460
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to watch.
01:12:05.697 --> 01:12:07.958
[UNKNOWN]: Power every single week and it's current format.
01:12:07.978 --> 01:12:09.638
[UNKNOWN]: I will watch an NWA special.
01:12:09.658 --> 01:12:11.338
[UNKNOWN]: I'll watch a three or four hour NWA special.
01:12:11.358 --> 01:12:29.003
[UNKNOWN]: I'll watch a two hour MLW special something about an hour weekly MLW fusion episode that just doesn't interest me at all correct Yeah, so Well, is it gonna be all the shit that they haven't been airing for the last six months and it's gonna be okay great great.
01:12:29.083 --> 01:12:29.843
[UNKNOWN]: So now it's old too
01:12:30.963 --> 01:12:35.804
[UNKNOWN]: It's now we're going to have Baron Corbin matches, airing on MLW to August.
01:12:36.545 --> 01:12:39.466
[UNKNOWN]: While he's, he is on SmackDown, wrestling Ricky Saints.
01:12:39.526 --> 01:12:40.006
[UNKNOWN]: All right, great.
01:12:40.966 --> 01:12:42.426
[UNKNOWN]: Can't wait to not watch that.
01:12:42.647 --> 01:12:42.887
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:12:43.227 --> 01:12:44.847
[UNKNOWN]: They got to catch up before I'm interested.
01:12:45.127 --> 01:12:46.408
[UNKNOWN]: They got to catch up, rich crates.
01:12:46.428 --> 01:12:52.049
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I can't watch stuff from fact, because they're going to be airing the two hours special will presumably be airing stuff from February.
01:12:52.109 --> 01:12:53.770
[UNKNOWN]: And that I can't watch February wrestling.
01:12:55.304 --> 01:12:57.025
[UNKNOWN]: In in May in late May.
01:12:57.185 --> 01:12:59.147
[UNKNOWN]: I can't I just if my head won't accept it.
01:12:59.167 --> 01:12:59.767
[UNKNOWN]: I just can't do it.
01:12:59.967 --> 01:13:17.798
[UNKNOWN]: It's very time Where did they leave off like what's the last thing we watch the last thing we watched the last thing we watched was Battle riot remember and then they did it did the battle riot in like January like right after the royal rumble was like a week after the royal rumble We're like of all the times yeah, there's a pick-up in early February Probably with the luchio and from Chicago that I didn't go to
01:13:18.408 --> 01:13:24.755
[UNKNOWN]: So how do they plan on catching up if they're just going to pick up from, is this going to be an W-A thing where they're perpetually four months behind?
01:13:25.095 --> 01:13:34.926
[UNKNOWN]: Possibly, or I wonder if they're, well, the problem is, is like, you can't really cut big, because M-L-W always seem to have like, stories and, you know what I mean?
01:13:34.966 --> 01:13:36.227
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, like a lot of it isn't just like,
01:13:37.168 --> 01:14:04.110
[UNKNOWN]: you could just you couldn't make it a little bit easier if he's like all right that match sucked in that promo sucks will just cut all that will cut all that but that they don't it's going to be tough for them to do that because they're they're kind of a nerd you know I know W seems to be very narratively driven so that be tough to like cut out whole segments and whole matches so yeah the probably just be a couple months behind maybe catch up at the end of the year maybe they're gonna blow out a lot they're doing a two hour special to start it off
01:14:05.208 --> 01:14:18.713
[UNKNOWN]: So that'll get through a lot and then hour long every single But can you though that's like that two hours is like the length of one of their shows before yeah That's really still just one-saving really I don't know.
01:14:18.854 --> 01:14:21.295
[UNKNOWN]: I guess a weekly aspect that'll make it a little bit easier to catch up.
01:14:21.835 --> 01:14:29.978
[UNKNOWN]: That's true I think they've done five shows in that time so it's a lot to catch up on but how does this shit start?
01:14:30.018 --> 01:14:32.119
[UNKNOWN]: May 30th they have a special on a
01:14:35.436 --> 01:14:41.778
[UNKNOWN]: they've taped five shows since I think it's five, yeah, it might be six, I think it's either five or six.
01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:46.319
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, fusion never really stopped.
01:14:46.339 --> 01:14:51.161
[UNKNOWN]: It was just like really old for the old Jacob Fattu matches, yeah.
01:14:51.641 --> 01:14:54.302
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, right, on be in or whatever.
01:14:54.962 --> 01:14:59.904
[UNKNOWN]: So is this is this fusion, you know, I know you don't have any of these answers, but I'm going to ask the questions anyway.
01:15:00.884 --> 01:15:03.445
[UNKNOWN]: Is this fusion airing at 605 on Saturdays?
01:15:04.493 --> 01:15:10.940
[UNKNOWN]: also airing on BN, so the same thing is going to be airing on BN, what is the time side?
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:12.062
[UNKNOWN]: It's a hilarious time slot.
01:15:13.292 --> 01:15:13.872
[UNKNOWN]: that they have.
01:15:13.992 --> 01:15:15.453
[UNKNOWN]: It is on, uh, let's see.
01:15:15.573 --> 01:15:21.376
[UNKNOWN]: Three o'clock and you have to tune on Saturday nights at nine, nine, nine, nine, nine central 10, uh, 10 Eastern on BN.
01:15:22.056 --> 01:15:23.256
[UNKNOWN]: So if you're home on YouTube first.
01:15:23.497 --> 01:15:31.780
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's on YouTube free every Saturday, six o'clock, five Eastern and then uh, there's on BN sports at 10 PM Eastern every Saturday.
01:15:32.080 --> 01:15:34.421
[UNKNOWN]: So they'll still be making $0 a century.
01:15:34.982 --> 01:15:38.623
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because they're going to have 50,000 people watch these YouTube shows.
01:15:39.323 --> 01:15:40.504
[UNKNOWN]: We know that doesn't pay anything.
01:15:44.536 --> 01:15:45.916
[UNKNOWN]: a couple hundred bucks, right?
01:15:50.677 --> 01:15:53.218
[UNKNOWN]: If that, yeah, right, like, I mean, not great.
01:15:53.578 --> 01:15:55.779
[UNKNOWN]: I was looking at our no-perks, not good.
01:15:55.819 --> 01:15:57.519
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, a couple hundred bucks.
01:16:00.700 --> 01:16:06.441
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe pay for a little bit of catering, kind of a show, but that's about it.
01:16:06.621 --> 01:16:13.043
[UNKNOWN]: So MLDub, and then a quickly big cast and Enzo, anything you want to say about them, it looks like they're
01:16:14.414 --> 01:16:23.423
[UNKNOWN]: potentially coming in as well and so doing some stuff in NXT and Bicass, it's rumor that his contracts up in a W so, sure, whatever.
01:16:23.604 --> 01:16:28.729
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think that that acts will be over like crazy in front of a modern WWE audience.
01:16:29.369 --> 01:16:33.454
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it's a good move if they could put those guys back together.
01:16:36.076 --> 01:16:37.278
[UNKNOWN]: I think Big Bill did.
01:16:38.269 --> 01:16:40.190
[UNKNOWN]: pretty much everything he could do in AEW.
01:16:40.471 --> 01:16:42.752
[UNKNOWN]: I would shake hands and wish him well.
01:16:42.972 --> 01:16:48.717
[UNKNOWN]: If I were Tony Khan, I wouldn't feel any pressure to match that contract.
01:16:48.737 --> 01:16:49.998
[UNKNOWN]: He's being offered or whatever.
01:16:51.098 --> 01:16:51.759
[UNKNOWN]: He can go.
01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:54.301
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he did well.
01:16:54.361 --> 01:16:58.484
[UNKNOWN]: He is, look, that guy reconstructed his career.
01:16:59.445 --> 01:17:00.846
[UNKNOWN]: He went for his life, really.
01:17:01.346 --> 01:17:02.287
[UNKNOWN]: His life, yeah.
01:17:03.031 --> 01:17:09.017
[UNKNOWN]: He went from whatever that show was in raw way where he got, you know, the cops at the common, everything.
01:17:10.186 --> 01:17:22.674
[UNKNOWN]: He hit rock bottom, and he went to TNA, and he went to AEW, and kept his nose clean, got married, got his life back in order, got his career back in order, good for him.
01:17:23.714 --> 01:17:29.878
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that there's just, look, he had the tag team with Ricky Stark, that was a fun little deal.
01:17:30.238 --> 01:17:37.083
[UNKNOWN]: He had the tag team with Brian Keith, and he was in the faction with Jericho, and
01:17:38.564 --> 01:17:51.789
[UNKNOWN]: He did some good midcard type things in a w. He wasn't ever going to move up any higher than that in a w. He's really been out of the mix really from when Jericho went away for a while.
01:17:51.849 --> 01:17:54.410
[UNKNOWN]: Both of those guys have been out of the mix, both him and Brian Keith.
01:17:55.390 --> 01:18:01.052
[UNKNOWN]: So if w w, if I were him in w w, he wanted me back and they wanted to pair me back up with him.
01:18:01.072 --> 01:18:02.212
[UNKNOWN]: So I would jump all over that.
01:18:02.272 --> 01:18:05.954
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, yeah, no he's one of those guys and this situation's perfect for
01:18:07.308 --> 01:18:34.760
[UNKNOWN]: what we always say that jumps are good and they're in and having two healthy companies is great for a guy like this who can who's kind of done whatever and for a w if you find to us like all right yeah sure you know and you you know you shake his hand and you know if you want to do business with him you know a couple years on the line you absolutely could i wouldn't shut the door on having big i mean you could certainly bring bill back again if you really want to but for a guy like him he should definitely look at the landscape and say all right look i probably reach my ceiling here in a w they're never going to push me as a main
01:18:36.121 --> 01:18:52.068
[UNKNOWN]: uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
01:18:52.481 --> 01:19:04.191
[UNKNOWN]: What two healthy companies can do for somebody like that the middle class of wrestling can really really benefit from their being two companies that are that are hiring people so that's that's yeah works Part of perfectly fine.
01:19:04.331 --> 01:19:15.680
[UNKNOWN]: I think the path to the biggest push and making the most money for him is teaming with nzo and w w and I'm sure he sees that and if I'm a w
01:19:17.008 --> 01:19:18.450
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not, you know, it's fine.
01:19:18.670 --> 01:19:21.572
[UNKNOWN]: It's, it's, he's been there, you know, like almost five years.
01:19:21.632 --> 01:19:22.433
[UNKNOWN]: It's time to move on.
01:19:23.614 --> 01:19:26.977
[UNKNOWN]: Remember the W Morrissey run in TNF, W Morrissey.
01:19:27.017 --> 01:19:29.499
[UNKNOWN]: It's a long time ago now, the W Morrissey.
01:19:29.519 --> 01:19:31.261
[UNKNOWN]: So, W Morrissey, yeah.
01:19:31.901 --> 01:19:33.703
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, so, you know, we had a nice little run.
01:19:33.743 --> 01:19:36.525
[UNKNOWN]: And it's time to move on to the next territory.
01:19:36.585 --> 01:19:44.352
[UNKNOWN]: And I think those guys could be a potentially really big act there right now in that landscape.
01:19:45.500 --> 01:19:56.629
[UNKNOWN]: where it's more about what they bring to the table than anything else, in terms of, especially if you're a midcard or getting over and staying on TV and being pushed in those sorts of things.
01:19:58.170 --> 01:20:04.215
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's the phrase that we quite mean, you need to eat, and they have a eat.
01:20:04.295 --> 01:20:05.697
[UNKNOWN]: It would be very obvious to eat.
01:20:06.557 --> 01:20:08.239
[UNKNOWN]: Crowd participation, all that shit.
01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:09.840
[UNKNOWN]: I think it'll work.
01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:15.621
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't begrudge either for that.
01:20:15.661 --> 01:20:19.842
[UNKNOWN]: I know the end zone thing is a little or complicated, but they don't seem to really care.
01:20:20.822 --> 01:20:23.443
[UNKNOWN]: And that seemed to have cooled off as the years went on.
01:20:23.463 --> 01:20:27.005
[UNKNOWN]: I forget even when happened with that situation, with end zone.
01:20:27.045 --> 01:20:28.385
[UNKNOWN]: There was an accusation.
01:20:28.405 --> 01:20:30.506
[UNKNOWN]: It they fired him.
01:20:31.946 --> 01:20:37.048
[UNKNOWN]: Now, for people who don't remember, he got fired because he withheld all of that from the company.
01:20:38.109 --> 01:21:02.728
[UNKNOWN]: and they felt blindsided because he tried to keep it quiet and when they found out that there was an ongoing investigation, I don't even think he was ever arrested, I might be misremember but I know he wasn't charged and I know he obviously wasn't convicted at any point or anything but he hit the investigation from them and they felt blindsided by that and they fired him.
01:21:03.900 --> 01:21:04.801
[UNKNOWN]: And as well they should.
01:21:04.962 --> 01:21:08.887
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, that's very embarrassing for the company and everything else.
01:21:10.179 --> 01:21:12.280
[UNKNOWN]: you can't just sweep that under the rug.
01:21:14.181 --> 01:21:30.929
[UNKNOWN]: Now as it turned out, the accusation had a lot of holes in it as I recall, and the accuser's friends even turned on her publicly and said, I come on, you know, she's, you know, she's, I forget, I don't want to say it, people are gonna get mad at me, but the, the, the, it went nowhere, like you said.
01:21:31.109 --> 01:21:33.490
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just don't remember hearing the updates about it recently.
01:21:33.530 --> 01:21:35.491
[UNKNOWN]: So it seems like everyone's kind of cooled off on,
01:21:36.888 --> 01:21:37.048
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:21:37.068 --> 01:21:37.989
[UNKNOWN]: Because there was a wild error.
01:21:38.009 --> 01:21:38.729
[UNKNOWN]: It was like toxic.
01:21:38.749 --> 01:21:40.951
[UNKNOWN]: If you had Enzo on your show, it was like, oh, no, what are you doing?
01:21:40.971 --> 01:21:41.271
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:21:41.331 --> 01:21:42.432
[UNKNOWN]: It seemed to have cooled down a little bit.
01:21:42.752 --> 01:21:43.153
[UNKNOWN]: It did.
01:21:43.473 --> 01:21:50.678
[UNKNOWN]: And I think, as I recall, the accusation had a lot of holes in it and didn't have a ton of merit.
01:21:51.139 --> 01:21:59.225
[UNKNOWN]: What it did give us though was, uh, Enzo smash single, um, consensual penis.
01:21:59.485 --> 01:22:02.847
[UNKNOWN]: You remember consensual penis, which was real ones, consensual penis.
01:22:02.867 --> 01:22:03.148
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:22:03.208 --> 01:22:03.428
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:22:04.064 --> 01:22:14.929
[UNKNOWN]: his smash single consensual penis, which I think we would all like to forget, but his very real and maybe I'll give that a spin later, consensual penis.
01:22:14.949 --> 01:22:15.469
[UNKNOWN]: It's been a while.
01:22:15.569 --> 01:22:17.650
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's been a while since I've ever heard it.
01:22:17.690 --> 01:22:19.631
[UNKNOWN]: Can you still find consensual penis?
01:22:19.891 --> 01:22:20.852
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to do that.
01:22:20.872 --> 01:22:21.372
[UNKNOWN]: I'll let you go.
01:22:24.473 --> 01:22:43.688
[UNKNOWN]: I'll let you open a incognito tab for that one if you'll incognito tab for a consensual penis I was gonna let one of you were at home one of one of you find folks in chat room figure that out, but Oh, no, well there it is now is the video I got the lyrics which I'm not gonna read
01:22:45.897 --> 01:22:48.538
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's a minute, eight minutes and 29 seconds.
01:22:48.618 --> 01:22:50.438
[UNKNOWN]: Eight minutes, why is it eight minutes long?
01:22:50.498 --> 01:22:52.419
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, I'm sorry, I apologize.
01:22:52.879 --> 01:22:56.160
[UNKNOWN]: That's his other hit single, Phoenix is eight minutes.
01:22:56.200 --> 01:22:56.940
[UNKNOWN]: Phoenix, I'm sorry.
01:22:56.960 --> 01:22:57.320
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:22:57.820 --> 01:23:01.221
[UNKNOWN]: Now, consensual penis, I can't seem to find.
01:23:01.381 --> 01:23:02.301
[UNKNOWN]: That one I can't find.
01:23:02.321 --> 01:23:03.881
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he thought better and took that down.
01:23:04.922 --> 01:23:07.942
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe, but the lyrics live forever.
01:23:09.523 --> 01:23:11.523
[UNKNOWN]: Can he give me a, is there any sampling you can give me?
01:23:11.603 --> 01:23:14.104
[UNKNOWN]: Or no, is it all too problematic?
01:23:14.790 --> 01:23:19.113
[UNKNOWN]: Lianas Ho out in Phoenix, when I say this shit, I mean it, I think we're good.
01:23:19.133 --> 01:23:20.675
[UNKNOWN]: Fuck you, Mark's that hatred.
01:23:21.535 --> 01:23:25.258
[UNKNOWN]: This is all, uh, oh, that.
01:23:25.639 --> 01:23:26.499
[UNKNOWN]: Is that how it starts?
01:23:27.260 --> 01:23:28.701
[UNKNOWN]: Lianas, what is it?
01:23:28.721 --> 01:23:29.922
[UNKNOWN]: Lianas, bitch, and Phoenix?
01:23:30.222 --> 01:23:31.303
[UNKNOWN]: Lianas Ho.
01:23:31.383 --> 01:23:33.925
[UNKNOWN]: Lianas Ho, Phoenix, and Phoenix.
01:23:33.965 --> 01:23:36.067
[UNKNOWN]: This is a lot, there's a lot of lyrics to this.
01:23:37.495 --> 01:23:43.400
[UNKNOWN]: Fuck you, Marks that hatred, this is for all my fans that waited and her team in Tottis, reagent, bitch, I'm reincarnated.
01:23:43.721 --> 01:23:45.262
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that was like eight years ago.
01:23:45.522 --> 01:23:50.166
[UNKNOWN]: So he did get reincarnated, I guess, if they bring them back, but it took a decade.
01:23:50.387 --> 01:23:51.488
[UNKNOWN]: It took a solid decade.
01:23:54.570 --> 01:24:01.617
[UNKNOWN]: So what was, we're being told the chef that Phoenix might be the name of the son, and maybe consensual penis and phoenix are the same name.
01:24:01.637 --> 01:24:03.839
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you know what the right, it is eight minutes long.
01:24:05.170 --> 01:24:07.711
[UNKNOWN]: Phoenix slash consensual penis by Enzo Amore.
01:24:08.311 --> 01:24:08.791
[UNKNOWN]: Real one.
01:24:10.352 --> 01:24:17.714
[UNKNOWN]: Listen up, you sloppy, jelloppy son of a bitch sitting on your fucking couch with your fucking phone in your hand, doing your armchair detective work.
01:24:18.475 --> 01:24:20.075
[UNKNOWN]: Think you know what the fuck is going on?
01:24:20.495 --> 01:24:23.396
[UNKNOWN]: What was the last time you kept a two month social media silence?
01:24:23.616 --> 01:24:26.397
[UNKNOWN]: You think I wasn't gonna say shit and then he goes into the rap?
01:24:26.978 --> 01:24:27.878
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
01:24:27.918 --> 01:24:29.979
[UNKNOWN]: This is like spoken word before this.
01:24:29.999 --> 01:24:30.299
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:32.079
[UNKNOWN]: Like death poetry slam.
01:24:32.179 --> 01:24:32.760
[UNKNOWN]: It's going on.
01:24:32.780 --> 01:24:33.700
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:24:34.220 --> 01:24:35.961
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and that because I was like these lyrics.
01:24:36.021 --> 01:24:36.301
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:24:36.321 --> 01:24:38.862
[UNKNOWN]: He's not really like rhyming He's just kind of saying.
01:24:38.942 --> 01:24:40.682
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, that's his that's his setup.
01:24:40.782 --> 01:24:42.263
[UNKNOWN]: I remember that now.
01:24:42.343 --> 01:24:42.583
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:24:42.603 --> 01:24:46.664
[UNKNOWN]: I do remember this If you're a one-in-o-sloppy jelloppy sons of bitches, you got to listen to that.
01:24:46.904 --> 01:24:48.905
[UNKNOWN]: He's got to set it up first Right, right, right.
01:24:48.925 --> 01:24:50.986
[UNKNOWN]: I'm an armchair quarterback.
01:24:51.026 --> 01:24:51.666
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure it's hard.
01:24:51.686 --> 01:24:53.307
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's me.
01:24:53.947 --> 01:24:57.968
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then he Then he does a very long rap.
01:24:58.569 --> 01:24:59.549
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, eight minutes seems like
01:25:01.130 --> 01:25:04.272
[UNKNOWN]: Middle finger to the sky, gripping my consensual penis.
01:25:06.493 --> 01:25:11.475
[UNKNOWN]: That's a little faint.
01:25:12.176 --> 01:25:12.776
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, man.
01:25:12.796 --> 01:25:16.138
[UNKNOWN]: Well, real sky in the room, how are you doing?
01:25:16.198 --> 01:25:19.380
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, there you go, that is, and so on.
01:25:19.400 --> 01:25:21.001
[UNKNOWN]: No, I ain't Bill Cosby, bitch.
01:25:21.721 --> 01:25:25.723
[UNKNOWN]: No, I ain't Bill Cosby, bitch, I'm just reading it.
01:25:27.564 --> 01:25:29.145
[UNKNOWN]: That's good, that's good, he's not Bill Cosby.
01:25:33.969 --> 01:25:34.449
[UNKNOWN]: Anything else?
01:25:35.991 --> 01:25:40.334
[UNKNOWN]: He says, uh, bitch them wages getting garnished.
01:25:40.675 --> 01:25:41.455
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what that means.
01:25:41.576 --> 01:25:42.016
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, wow.
01:25:42.556 --> 01:25:46.380
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, bitch them wages getting garnished for the image you tarnished.
01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:48.481
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I think he's saying he's going to sue her.
01:25:48.782 --> 01:25:50.483
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, he's going to be zarnished her wages.
01:25:50.523 --> 01:25:50.783
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:25:50.964 --> 01:25:52.725
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and her wages will be garnished.
01:25:52.745 --> 01:25:53.826
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's what he's saying.
01:25:55.287 --> 01:25:55.627
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:25:56.829 --> 01:26:01.513
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, TMZ owes me some restitution in the midst of this dissolution.
01:26:02.690 --> 01:26:22.180
[UNKNOWN]: choosing prosecution over constitution skies are regular nods of your eyes look out yeah rock him here comes real one yeah he's uh... care us one no no no real one now this is the real lyricist here
01:26:29.262 --> 01:26:30.703
[UNKNOWN]: You've got your 15 minutes girl.
01:26:30.803 --> 01:26:32.744
[UNKNOWN]: I am here at Atcha, nothing but love for you.
01:26:33.084 --> 01:26:34.505
[UNKNOWN]: Doesn't sound like it's nothing but love.
01:26:34.545 --> 01:26:35.846
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, nothing but love for you.
01:26:36.086 --> 01:26:39.128
[UNKNOWN]: I caught you in a line as an bitch and I'm gonna go into ranges.
01:26:39.148 --> 01:26:40.469
[UNKNOWN]: I gotta call you out on that one.
01:26:40.509 --> 01:26:42.430
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and so I think you're gotten to, brother.
01:26:42.550 --> 01:26:43.031
[UNKNOWN]: I think you.
01:26:43.131 --> 01:26:44.351
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I don't think there's love.
01:26:44.372 --> 01:26:46.113
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have no love for her.
01:26:46.353 --> 01:26:48.674
[UNKNOWN]: You seem to be calling her the B word a lot.
01:26:48.954 --> 01:26:50.675
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're gonna garnish her wages.
01:26:50.695 --> 01:26:54.658
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I just, yeah, it doesn't sound like a lot of love to me.
01:26:54.778 --> 01:26:56.079
[UNKNOWN]: Doesn't sound like you have, uh,
01:26:58.293 --> 01:27:01.802
[UNKNOWN]: forgetting about this as you claim he's gonna forget about that.
01:27:01.862 --> 01:27:02.464
[UNKNOWN]: I don't I don't know
01:27:02.828 --> 01:27:13.397
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, yeah, there's Phoenix slash consensual penis and we just make up that it was called Contential penis because he says consential penis made in the song.
01:27:13.517 --> 01:27:14.698
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, that's okay.
01:27:14.718 --> 01:27:15.058
[UNKNOWN]: You know what?
01:27:15.078 --> 01:27:15.558
[UNKNOWN]: That's okay.
01:27:15.959 --> 01:27:20.342
[UNKNOWN]: Look, I remembered it as consensual penis grabbing my consensual penis or whatever.
01:27:20.382 --> 01:27:24.265
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and I'm going to tell Aaron Quinn right now No, you're not putting this.
01:27:24.305 --> 01:27:26.747
[UNKNOWN]: You're not doing this.
01:27:26.787 --> 01:27:27.208
[UNKNOWN]: Not this one.
01:27:27.228 --> 01:27:28.689
[UNKNOWN]: Not this one.
01:27:29.310 --> 01:27:30.250
[UNKNOWN]: Not this one, Aaron.
01:27:30.891 --> 01:27:31.731
[UNKNOWN]: You know better Aaron
01:27:32.552 --> 01:27:41.956
[UNKNOWN]: This time, you cannot put this over the beat to Phoenix slash consensual penis.
01:27:44.817 --> 01:27:45.757
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:27:46.637 --> 01:27:47.698
[UNKNOWN]: We should probably breathe.
01:27:47.738 --> 01:27:49.898
[UNKNOWN]: Thank God, nobody pays attention to this podcast.
01:27:49.998 --> 01:27:50.799
[UNKNOWN]: Thank God.
01:27:50.919 --> 01:27:51.319
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:27:51.559 --> 01:27:54.260
[UNKNOWN]: Well, anyway, let's talk about double or nothing.
01:27:54.600 --> 01:27:55.020
[UNKNOWN]: How about that?
01:27:55.040 --> 01:28:01.243
[UNKNOWN]: Let's let's have people pay attention to our preview of A, W, double or nothing, 20, 26 coming up.
01:28:01.263 --> 01:28:01.623
[UNKNOWN]: This
01:28:02.343 --> 01:28:25.112
[UNKNOWN]: weekend again we'll be doing instant reaction live immediately following the show flex your patreon i comment ten dollar tier for that that gets you the live show uh... immediately following the paper view it also gets you the audio replay which will be up sometime uh... the very next morning as well but that'll be available exclusively on the ten dollar tier that is the only place uh... you can listen to instant reaction live uh... for eight of you double or nothing twenty twenty six so let's uh... there's actually been
01:28:25.972 --> 01:28:30.374
[UNKNOWN]: But as I was doing my notes today, a bunch of pre show matches got an out.
01:28:30.394 --> 01:28:33.975
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm going to give you the most updated list of.
01:28:34.155 --> 01:28:35.336
[UNKNOWN]: Well, this sounds exciting.
01:28:35.416 --> 01:28:36.196
[UNKNOWN]: I can't wait.
01:28:36.516 --> 01:28:37.717
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, hold on.
01:28:37.817 --> 01:28:41.618
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to get some, we're going to get some more hot AW action on the pre show.
01:28:41.638 --> 01:28:42.779
[UNKNOWN]: I'm excited about that.
01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:45.340
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you got the death writers.
01:28:46.821 --> 01:28:47.541
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
01:28:47.981 --> 01:28:50.222
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel Garcia and Wheeler Utah.
01:28:51.282 --> 01:28:59.811
[UNKNOWN]: versus the ops of Anthony Bowens, we're out, we're out, we're out, we're out, and cats are a Shabbat, who really in AWS won't want, we're out.
01:29:00.031 --> 01:29:04.556
[UNKNOWN]: So, I'm not bad for a pre-show match, I'll take that.
01:29:04.576 --> 01:29:05.256
[UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
01:29:06.490 --> 01:29:12.275
[UNKNOWN]: A divine dominion, Megan Bane versus Zeta Steel and Viva van.
01:29:12.795 --> 01:29:17.419
[UNKNOWN]: Five-minute tag team eliminated or match of steel and van last five minutes.
01:29:17.919 --> 01:29:22.683
[UNKNOWN]: They will earn a future AWW Women's World Tag Team Championship, shot.
01:29:24.367 --> 01:29:27.709
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know if I like their chances, but we'll see.
01:29:27.789 --> 01:29:29.850
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they'd be the team to finally last five minutes.
01:29:30.210 --> 01:29:34.472
[UNKNOWN]: With, yeah, I don't think so, but time will tell.
01:29:34.572 --> 01:29:35.793
[UNKNOWN]: We'll find out on the pre-show.
01:29:36.553 --> 01:29:50.840
[UNKNOWN]: And then we have Shane Taylor promotion, Shane Taylor, Anthony of GoGo, Captain Sean Dean, Carly Bravo, and Lee Murray-Arty versus the conglomeration, Mark Briscoe, Orange Cassidy, Roderick Strong,
01:29:52.217 --> 01:29:55.299
[UNKNOWN]: and boom and doom, big boom AJ, and QT Marshall.
01:29:57.561 --> 01:29:58.261
[UNKNOWN]: We're doing it again.
01:29:58.681 --> 01:29:59.522
[UNKNOWN]: We're big booming again.
01:30:00.503 --> 01:30:01.503
[UNKNOWN]: I fucking do it again.
01:30:01.743 --> 01:30:04.205
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean we're doing it again.
01:30:04.305 --> 01:30:18.815
[UNKNOWN]: The older fat kid will tackle Carly Bravo or Trisha Dora, and then the smaller fat kid will smack Shane Taylor in the ass and then grab his chin, it's like, all right, let me get it.
01:30:20.175 --> 01:30:22.757
[UNKNOWN]: Now, see that was viral.
01:30:23.297 --> 01:30:46.350
[UNKNOWN]: Well, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
01:30:47.007 --> 01:30:53.989
[UNKNOWN]: And at one point, a big boom AJ and that crew was viral too, but at 15 minutes is definitely up.
01:30:54.069 --> 01:30:55.749
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even think they're viral anymore.
01:30:55.949 --> 01:30:57.510
[UNKNOWN]: No, they're at one time viral.
01:30:57.590 --> 01:30:58.230
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes.
01:30:58.670 --> 01:31:01.531
[UNKNOWN]: Today's the first Costco video viral.
01:31:02.971 --> 01:31:04.631
[UNKNOWN]: Double chong chong kukuki.
01:31:04.871 --> 01:31:05.252
[UNKNOWN]: Viral.
01:31:06.212 --> 01:31:06.872
[UNKNOWN]: That was viral.
01:31:10.331 --> 01:31:29.544
[UNKNOWN]: Heinrich, not Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyrex Vyre
01:31:35.499 --> 01:31:37.061
[UNKNOWN]: Mick Foley will be on this pre-show as well.
01:31:37.321 --> 01:31:38.883
[UNKNOWN]: So he is, uh, we got to talk about that.
01:31:38.903 --> 01:31:39.404
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we'll see that.
01:31:39.444 --> 01:31:40.065
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see that now.
01:31:41.246 --> 01:31:43.890
[UNKNOWN]: Now does this, I haven't really been paying attention.
01:31:45.385 --> 01:31:53.209
[UNKNOWN]: does this fall under the category of, nah, no one from the Fed, nah, are people mad about this, the sickos, or is this okay, or are they okay with Nick?
01:31:53.589 --> 01:31:56.090
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I think it's a little in between, from what I've seen.
01:31:56.110 --> 01:31:59.292
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I think it's because he's on the pre-show, it's like whatever.
01:31:59.312 --> 01:32:09.797
[UNKNOWN]: And I think the, the art and like, nobody from the Fed people are more for like, midcard, WWE acts or whatever, coming in.
01:32:10.057 --> 01:32:13.139
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think like a quote unquote legend, like a McFully would be considered.
01:32:14.120 --> 01:32:16.521
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't think they cared when like Mark Henry got hired or whatever.
01:32:16.561 --> 01:32:21.304
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I don't like, I thought it was a waste of money, but could have told me to not eat, they thought it was worth it.
01:32:21.324 --> 01:32:23.485
[UNKNOWN]: But I think, no, I think like legends like that.
01:32:23.525 --> 01:32:27.488
[UNKNOWN]: And Mick Foley is usually considered like one of the good ones, so I don't think anybody really cares.
01:32:28.688 --> 01:32:28.949
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:32:29.329 --> 01:32:29.689
[UNKNOWN]: I think.
01:32:31.950 --> 01:32:32.871
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a good idea.
01:32:33.291 --> 01:32:37.714
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, he hasn't really been on TV in a long time.
01:32:39.435 --> 01:32:39.575
[UNKNOWN]: And
01:32:41.200 --> 01:32:53.869
[UNKNOWN]: I know he's set on the conference call, it's going to mostly be commentary for the paper views, and then some TVs, and then from there, he doesn't know how he's going to use them.
01:32:55.190 --> 01:32:56.211
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it can hurt.
01:32:56.551 --> 01:33:10.521
[UNKNOWN]: I think Mick Foley has a lot of, there's a lot of positive stock with Mick Foley, and I think that he was so outspoken against WWE and wanting to be disattached from them.
01:33:11.545 --> 01:33:16.170
[UNKNOWN]: that I think that plays well to the most ardent of sickos, because they like that shit.
01:33:17.711 --> 01:33:21.816
[UNKNOWN]: Both from a political standpoint and from a wrestling politics standpoint.
01:33:22.817 --> 01:33:24.659
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't see a lot of downside here.
01:33:27.041 --> 01:33:31.666
[UNKNOWN]: If you utilize McFoly in the proper way, he can absolutely be an asset.
01:33:33.350 --> 01:34:01.638
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm going to be open-minded about this and I'm going to be interested to see he's not just going to come in and do paper view pre-shows what Renee I mean we know it's going to be that for sure so I'm curious to see how he utilized and you know obviously in a w it's more of a given take in terms of having a lot more your ideas being taken more into consideration those sorts of things and he's always been a creative and thoughtful guy so
01:34:02.902 --> 01:34:04.543
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he's got his eye on some people.
01:34:04.583 --> 01:34:06.804
[UNKNOWN]: He would like to help get over and know sorts of things.
01:34:06.844 --> 01:34:09.086
[UNKNOWN]: He understands the business from that standpoint.
01:34:09.546 --> 01:34:10.707
[UNKNOWN]: He's not going to be one of these guys.
01:34:10.767 --> 01:34:13.468
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to be selfish and coming in to get himself over.
01:34:14.349 --> 01:34:15.950
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it's a good move.
01:34:16.090 --> 01:34:20.993
[UNKNOWN]: And I thought that once he got away from WWE, I thought it was going to be an inevitability.
01:34:22.114 --> 01:34:24.835
[UNKNOWN]: That's something that Tony Khan was going to jump all over.
01:34:26.656 --> 01:34:28.177
[UNKNOWN]: If Mick Foley was amenable to it.
01:34:28.237 --> 01:34:30.038
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm not surprised by it.
01:34:30.058 --> 01:34:30.839
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's a good idea.
01:34:31.390 --> 01:34:32.956
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm interested to see what they do with him.
01:34:32.976 --> 01:34:35.707
[UNKNOWN]: I know that there was media talk of like
01:34:37.656 --> 01:34:40.337
[UNKNOWN]: I really hope they don't do an on-screen authority figure stuff with him.
01:34:40.357 --> 01:34:45.718
[UNKNOWN]: I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-
01:35:06.342 --> 01:35:14.727
[UNKNOWN]: I think that you mentioned that there's a lot of guys that he probably has his eye on and I bet there's a ton of guys in that roster that want to work with McFully as well.
01:35:14.867 --> 01:35:17.669
[UNKNOWN]: Like MJF, you know, is a guy who would probably want to work with McFully.
01:35:18.269 --> 01:35:22.431
[UNKNOWN]: John Mox is a guy who never got to really fully, you know, they had their their their story.
01:35:22.451 --> 01:35:26.414
[UNKNOWN]: They played their did their little angles, you know, in 2012 I want to say they tried to, you know,
01:35:27.334 --> 01:35:30.137
[UNKNOWN]: shoot their own story and that didn't work and that company obviously.
01:35:30.718 --> 01:35:32.239
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure those are guys that respect one another.
01:35:32.259 --> 01:35:34.862
[UNKNOWN]: Some sure mocks and fully would like to do some stuff together too.
01:35:34.902 --> 01:35:40.689
[UNKNOWN]: So I think him is like a, you know, maybe sort of a, not necessarily a manager.
01:35:40.709 --> 01:35:45.434
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know the exact term to use, but like a guy that's sort of a hangar on to a couple of other talents.
01:35:45.454 --> 01:35:45.574
[UNKNOWN]: Like,
01:35:45.857 --> 01:35:47.658
[UNKNOWN]: and occasionally does some promo battles here and there.
01:35:48.358 --> 01:35:57.760
[UNKNOWN]: Here's one thing, and I saw a lot of people say, like, well, you could do this and you and I and people think we're cruel when we say this, but I have no interest in ever seeing McFully ever wrestle again.
01:35:57.860 --> 01:35:58.200
[UNKNOWN]: I'm good.
01:35:58.381 --> 01:36:00.241
[UNKNOWN]: I have seen a ton of McFully wrestle.
01:36:00.601 --> 01:36:01.821
[UNKNOWN]: I've seen the guy wrestle for 30 years.
01:36:01.942 --> 01:36:02.282
[UNKNOWN]: I'm good.
01:36:02.382 --> 01:36:06.723
[UNKNOWN]: I don't need to watch the broken down husk of McFully wrestle one more time.
01:36:07.483 --> 01:36:10.145
[UNKNOWN]: And everybody always brings up a sting.
01:36:10.165 --> 01:36:10.905
[UNKNOWN]: Well, what about sting?
01:36:10.925 --> 01:36:11.506
[UNKNOWN]: Well, what about sting?
01:36:12.286 --> 01:36:16.929
[UNKNOWN]: Sting was the best retirement arc that any wrestler has ever had, basically, right?
01:36:16.949 --> 01:36:23.012
[UNKNOWN]: Like the most genuine, the most heartfelt, the happiest, best book.
01:36:23.052 --> 01:36:25.994
[UNKNOWN]: The best book to the most celebrated, like it was perfect.
01:36:26.274 --> 01:36:26.955
[UNKNOWN]: It was perfect.
01:36:27.635 --> 01:36:29.756
[UNKNOWN]: He is the absolute exceptions to the rule.
01:36:30.316 --> 01:36:36.939
[UNKNOWN]: Very few other retirement arcs are good, are not like, they're mostly sad and depressing.
01:36:36.959 --> 01:36:40.981
[UNKNOWN]: You're on the edge of your seat wondering, is this man gonna die in the ring?
01:36:41.001 --> 01:36:41.821
[UNKNOWN]: Can he even go?
01:36:42.322 --> 01:36:42.502
[UNKNOWN]: What's?
01:36:43.842 --> 01:36:46.783
[UNKNOWN]: Don't thing is not the cop to use that is a one of one.
01:36:46.823 --> 01:36:57.947
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it'll ever work the way that the sting arc worked I don't think McPholic can have the sting arc because I don't think McPhil is body is any word near what stings body was and Sting obviously, you know, he had some health issues here in there.
01:36:58.007 --> 01:37:03.329
[UNKNOWN]: He had a major injury in WWE But the guy took incredible care of his body his entire life.
01:37:03.349 --> 01:37:12.473
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't you know He wasn't an abuser of many things and he didn't take huge risks when he was in the ring as well So he was able to kind of adapt and and work way better than maybe all of us expected but
01:37:12.873 --> 01:37:18.942
[UNKNOWN]: Regardless, like, he is the shining light, the shining example of what it can be, the retirement arc.
01:37:19.202 --> 01:37:20.164
[UNKNOWN]: Fair few guys are like that.
01:37:20.184 --> 01:37:20.625
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know.
01:37:20.785 --> 01:37:26.693
[UNKNOWN]: I'm really not interested in seeing Mick Foley attempt to wrestle while not giving himself a concussion with his...
01:37:27.895 --> 01:37:29.816
[UNKNOWN]: bad hips and bad knees and bad legs.
01:37:29.836 --> 01:37:31.177
[UNKNOWN]: I like I don't I don't need to see that.
01:37:31.197 --> 01:37:31.857
[UNKNOWN]: Do you really need to?
01:37:32.797 --> 01:37:36.899
[UNKNOWN]: Some people love sing old wrestlers like struggle mightily to survive.
01:37:37.879 --> 01:37:38.940
[UNKNOWN]: I don't I don't really get it.
01:37:39.040 --> 01:37:41.941
[UNKNOWN]: I'm good But we just talked about Andre and 91 like I don't need to watch that.
01:37:42.141 --> 01:37:47.184
[UNKNOWN]: I'm good like I have Andre the giant memories from when he was A capable wrestler and a capable worker.
01:37:47.204 --> 01:37:49.385
[UNKNOWN]: I'll watch those and I have the same thing with Mick Foley.
01:37:49.405 --> 01:37:53.566
[UNKNOWN]: I like I don't know why you would want to see Mick Foley wrestling 2026.
01:37:53.686 --> 01:37:54.687
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't get it, but
01:37:55.345 --> 01:37:58.246
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he wants to wrestle in 2026.
01:37:58.286 --> 01:38:01.366
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, his body's been in bad shape for years, and now he's 60.
01:38:02.427 --> 01:38:06.808
[UNKNOWN]: So I wasn't even thinking of it from that standpoint.
01:38:09.789 --> 01:38:14.970
[UNKNOWN]: Now does he get revved up and fired up about something at the side.
01:38:14.990 --> 01:38:16.350
[UNKNOWN]: He wants to give it one more go.
01:38:16.510 --> 01:38:19.791
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, maybe you just hope it's not embarrassing if he does.
01:38:25.035 --> 01:38:32.621
[UNKNOWN]: The amount of concussions he's had, the amount of punishments he's put his body through as much as anybody in the history of the business.
01:38:33.041 --> 01:38:39.586
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's going to be pragmatic about this and I don't think he's coming back to this thinking thinking about having a match at some point.
01:38:40.887 --> 01:38:48.734
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, who knows you can never say never, but and you know, Tony Condon really closed the book on that.
01:38:48.774 --> 01:38:50.375
[UNKNOWN]: I think he said something to the effect of
01:38:51.678 --> 01:38:59.304
[UNKNOWN]: You know, if he's physically feasible, it's not something I want to put pressure on him to do, that would be entirely up to him.
01:38:59.924 --> 01:39:03.347
[UNKNOWN]: That's not closing the book and saying I'm not open to it, because he didn't say that.
01:39:03.427 --> 01:39:19.740
[UNKNOWN]: He's basically on paraphrasing, but I just don't think Mick Foley at 60 years old, going on 61 years old, very shortly, you know, with physical state that he's in and the concussions and everything, I think he understands he shouldn't be bumping.
01:39:20.812 --> 01:39:28.220
[UNKNOWN]: I don't I don't if I actually honestly if I had the bet on this one, I would say that he won't that he won't wrestle a match Yeah, I don't know a real match.
01:39:28.240 --> 01:39:28.520
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:42.254
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I do wonder if he just gets that itch like you said and Yeah, he gets into something and you decide to I'm gonna get myself into shape and yeah I don't know yeah, you can't you can never rule out these guys these workers especially someone like a McFully, but I I would
01:39:43.139 --> 01:39:54.544
[UNKNOWN]: If I was Tony and I made WWE, I would really strongly suggest he fit into the totally blancher, Jake the Snake Roberts, Arne Anderson, like those kind of guys role in a WWE.
01:39:54.564 --> 01:39:56.645
[UNKNOWN]: I think that'd be much more beneficial for him.
01:39:57.025 --> 01:40:03.308
[UNKNOWN]: And he's a little bit more like, despite all the concussions and all that sort of stuff, I think he'd be better, I mean he'd be way better promo.
01:40:03.628 --> 01:40:04.949
[UNKNOWN]: I'll be more effective than those guys.
01:40:05.009 --> 01:40:06.390
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
01:40:06.570 --> 01:40:12.914
[UNKNOWN]: If you just, well, I think he's got a better mind for the business still today in 2026 than, you know, like, totally did.
01:40:12.934 --> 01:40:14.995
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it's all he was kind of just a passenger.
01:40:15.035 --> 01:40:16.856
[UNKNOWN]: He was just kind of there along for the ride Jake.
01:40:17.256 --> 01:40:21.339
[UNKNOWN]: Had a couple moments here in there, but he seemed kind of, you know, like, I don't know.
01:40:21.379 --> 01:40:28.363
[UNKNOWN]: And Arn was good in certain points, but I think Mick is more effective in that role, whatever they end up doing with him.
01:40:28.688 --> 01:40:31.211
[UNKNOWN]: I think he could still probably be a top tier promo.
01:40:31.431 --> 01:40:40.082
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, if you have him involved in an angle in some way, I think he could still cut promos better than most people in the business.
01:40:40.923 --> 01:40:43.066
[UNKNOWN]: So that's what he brings at the table.
01:40:43.086 --> 01:40:45.429
[UNKNOWN]: And he's done commentary before.
01:40:45.489 --> 01:40:46.029
[UNKNOWN]: He was someone
01:40:46.940 --> 01:40:49.623
[UNKNOWN]: Didn't he quit commentary because he just couldn't take Vincent's ear?
01:40:49.984 --> 01:40:53.648
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to say he was doing Smackdown for a while.
01:40:53.708 --> 01:40:57.232
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, he's just was so sick of Vince screaming in his ear and he just said fucking I'm out.
01:40:57.292 --> 01:40:57.913
[UNKNOWN]: I can't do this.
01:40:57.933 --> 01:41:06.422
[UNKNOWN]: So if he's able to do commentary with more freedom, where he's allowed to actually express what he thinks about things and what he thinks is going to get things over.
01:41:07.163 --> 01:41:16.950
[UNKNOWN]: then that might be something that he really likes, but I'm entering this when an open mind and I look, it's it can't, it's Mick Foley, he's going to bring attention to him.
01:41:16.990 --> 01:41:26.217
[UNKNOWN]: We know he could talk and I don't see you know how this could be a negative in any way can only be a positive.
01:41:29.043 --> 01:41:32.567
[UNKNOWN]: So that is all we have right now for the pre-show, the zero hour, whatever the hell.
01:41:33.028 --> 01:41:34.389
[UNKNOWN]: We have those three matches there.
01:41:34.449 --> 01:41:35.851
[UNKNOWN]: So let's go to the main show itself.
01:41:36.572 --> 01:41:38.834
[UNKNOWN]: I will start off with a codiver's to catch it.
01:41:38.854 --> 01:41:42.919
[UNKNOWN]: Cause we'll just go a codiver can always get to catch it for the AW International Championship.
01:41:42.939 --> 01:41:43.840
[UNKNOWN]: They're finally doing the match.
01:41:43.860 --> 01:41:44.962
[UNKNOWN]: I've been screaming about it for...
01:41:45.582 --> 01:41:46.743
[UNKNOWN]: months and months and months and months.
01:41:47.003 --> 01:41:54.268
[UNKNOWN]: We're finally here and I got to admit I don't I'm not as into this as I thought I was going to be after They've been basically teasing the story for like seven or eight months.
01:41:54.288 --> 01:42:00.212
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure the match is going to fucking rock I mean, I have no doubt in my mind The match is going to rock, but it does feel like I don't know it.
01:42:00.532 --> 01:42:11.659
[UNKNOWN]: It felt like finally when we got to this moment I would feel like a little bit more impactful and it just doesn't I don't know it just kind of feels like a match on the card to me I don't know how you uh probably because the long-term build was so tedious
01:42:12.580 --> 01:42:14.761
[UNKNOWN]: and then the short-term build was kind of nothing.
01:42:14.961 --> 01:42:15.161
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:42:16.022 --> 01:42:18.683
[UNKNOWN]: So we had this long-term build that seemed like it took forever.
01:42:18.723 --> 01:42:25.087
[UNKNOWN]: We were all just waiting for the fucking explosion to happen and the match to come to fruition and we're getting it.
01:42:25.707 --> 01:42:29.149
[UNKNOWN]: And then since the match has been announced, they really haven't done anything to heat it up.
01:42:29.289 --> 01:42:29.429
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:42:30.189 --> 01:42:32.410
[UNKNOWN]: So it's kind of weird on both of those ends.
01:42:32.570 --> 01:42:34.792
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure they're going to have an excellent wrestling match.
01:42:35.752 --> 01:42:38.373
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure the finish will be gimmicked up in some way, though.
01:42:38.573 --> 01:42:40.054
[UNKNOWN]: I think people need to prepare for that.
01:42:42.612 --> 01:42:51.998
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it's kind of like, I don't want to say if forgotten match, but they did nothing to promote this match last night, and they had three hours.
01:42:52.098 --> 01:42:55.680
[UNKNOWN]: I think they did one, 30 second pre-tape package.
01:42:55.960 --> 01:42:56.421
[UNKNOWN]: That was it.
01:42:57.241 --> 01:43:04.666
[UNKNOWN]: And then they did a face-to-face Renee that they put on YouTube, that they didn't even put on the, they didn't have, they didn't put on the three-hour TV show.
01:43:05.706 --> 01:43:07.227
[UNKNOWN]: And no one's gonna see that, obviously.
01:43:07.527 --> 01:43:07.768
[UNKNOWN]: So,
01:43:08.707 --> 01:43:16.369
[UNKNOWN]: Very strange, just long tedious build to get there and then not a great build at all once they did get there.
01:43:16.529 --> 01:43:19.069
[UNKNOWN]: Right, and I think you're honest on there.
01:43:19.089 --> 01:43:29.792
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it was like, we were telling the story for like seven months, like this simmering, obvious breakup and obvious fracture within the Don Cals family, and then it got like,
01:43:31.116 --> 01:43:56.634
[UNKNOWN]: wait like four or five months ago was like all right let's let's let's get out with this we we know what what's happening here there's no reason for these men to be friends anymore we'll talk about that later in the show too because there's another feud in a w that's just like utterly ridiculous like why are these two people still together but uh there I had that I had that same thought about to catch a nocata for a while like to catch what are you doing dude why are you still with ocata like the guy like dropping elbows on him in the middle of a match ocata's like beating him up and to catch just still just kind of like pretending that there are
01:43:58.415 --> 01:44:01.496
[UNKNOWN]: And then they finally got to there and then they were just like, oh, well, what's done is done.
01:44:01.536 --> 01:44:02.716
[UNKNOWN]: They kind of wiped their hands in this match.
01:44:02.776 --> 01:44:11.578
[UNKNOWN]: Since then, it was like, no, you guys have to like, if you're gonna invest, you know, months and months and months and months into this match in this feud, you can't just put the match together and go, oh, well, that's it.
01:44:11.618 --> 01:44:12.798
[UNKNOWN]: We're out of ideas, but maybe they did.
01:44:12.838 --> 01:44:14.358
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe they had all their ideas and they're done with it.
01:44:14.818 --> 01:44:18.879
[UNKNOWN]: It just feels very like, I don't know, we should have done this match three months ago then.
01:44:18.899 --> 01:44:23.120
[UNKNOWN]: If we had no ideas, what to do with it once, I'd finally broke up and went.
01:44:23.200 --> 01:44:25.521
[UNKNOWN]: But regardless, it'll be, I'm sure it'll be a great match.
01:44:28.250 --> 01:44:35.172
[UNKNOWN]: You know, year ago, if you told me, O'Cottivers, the casher are gonna face each other for the international championship, you're probably thinking, oh man, that's gonna be a hell of a match of the great feud.
01:44:35.192 --> 01:44:39.593
[UNKNOWN]: And there were points during this, you know, last year where it was like, oh yeah, they're building this thing up really well.
01:44:40.053 --> 01:44:41.573
[UNKNOWN]: And it just feels like now we got to the finish line.
01:44:41.593 --> 01:44:44.634
[UNKNOWN]: It's just kinda, yeah, it's, it's, it's really out of sight out of mind.
01:44:44.654 --> 01:44:48.735
[UNKNOWN]: Like you said, it was pretty much completely out of sight on the go home dynamite, so I'm very strange, but,
01:44:50.608 --> 01:44:54.991
[UNKNOWN]: FTR, they'll be defending the tag team titles against Cage and Cope in a tag team.
01:44:55.172 --> 01:45:00.596
[UNKNOWN]: I quit match and if a Kage and Cope lose, they must retire as a tag team.
01:45:00.616 --> 01:45:02.537
[UNKNOWN]: They can never team together again.
01:45:03.198 --> 01:45:04.639
[UNKNOWN]: Look, the last match was really good.
01:45:05.239 --> 01:45:09.002
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't have any reason to think that this one won't be really good.
01:45:09.522 --> 01:45:11.164
[UNKNOWN]: But is there a chance that it's not good?
01:45:11.244 --> 01:45:12.725
[UNKNOWN]: Is there a chance that it's way too,
01:45:14.607 --> 01:45:17.588
[UNKNOWN]: Adam Copeland, heavy from a storytelling standpoint.
01:45:17.908 --> 01:45:18.829
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, of course.
01:45:19.369 --> 01:45:21.230
[UNKNOWN]: That's always hanging over every coped match.
01:45:21.750 --> 01:45:24.251
[UNKNOWN]: But the last time these two teams had a match it was very good.
01:45:25.232 --> 01:45:27.733
[UNKNOWN]: This one should have a ton of heat and should also be very good.
01:45:28.253 --> 01:45:28.773
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll see.
01:45:29.794 --> 01:45:36.917
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a little worried it's going to get too plundery with it being the I quit stipulation so that and that you know edge likes to or cope.
01:45:37.077 --> 01:45:38.678
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, likes to do that a lot as well.
01:45:38.758 --> 01:45:38.958
[UNKNOWN]: So,
01:45:39.981 --> 01:45:48.769
[UNKNOWN]: It probably will get pretty plundery, but yeah, I got to give and I said this after Dynasty, like I got to admit that Copa's been fine in AEW.
01:45:48.789 --> 01:45:56.417
[UNKNOWN]: He's He's resisted the temptation to go full edge, you know, and there were many times where I felt like he was going to go to that level and
01:45:56.977 --> 01:46:23.101
[UNKNOWN]: literally go to that place and many times and he never quite did and they think they've done a good job of telling the story of caching cope where they're not exactly friends they're they're you know the you know the enemy of my enemy is my friend or whatever but they're not exactly friends like they're not exactly you know it's not all water under the bridge not all right yeah whatever man well cool yeah i try to kill you but that's fine no problem like so many of the wrestling stories would do that and these guys still don't fully trust each other cages is still a little cagey around coke still doesn't quite trust cage and i think that
01:46:23.741 --> 01:46:51.312
[UNKNOWN]: uh... is is good new one story telling that is so rare and wrestling today so i really do appreciate that and that's your arm and they're they're on one of the best runs they've ever had you know if not the best one they've ever had over last year year and a half so it's like i i i i i can't bad against these guys right now so we'll see i mean i'm i'm at least somewhat excited in this and i i'm very curious how the finish goes because i don't think it's out of the wrong possible the occasion couple's and i think it's out of the wrong possible the cage is fucking turns on copic and halfway through the match or at the end of the match or whatever i don't think that's
01:46:53.103 --> 01:46:53.763
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:46:53.903 --> 01:47:01.306
[UNKNOWN]: It's interesting because everyone has just been under the assumption that this story ends with those two guys win the attack titles, but what if they just don't?
01:47:01.526 --> 01:47:03.367
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:47:04.087 --> 01:47:14.330
[UNKNOWN]: And that wouldn't be the first time in AEW where you're just viewing things through the typical pro wrestling storytelling lens, and then they go in another direction.
01:47:15.331 --> 01:47:18.452
[UNKNOWN]: And then you're always pleasantly surprised by that when they do.
01:47:22.977 --> 01:47:50.905
[UNKNOWN]: very refreshing right we've been looking this team to win the tag team title since what last year you know like last year around this time you know we were saying well and they're going to win the tag team titles we all know that that's what's going to happen to be cage and yeah but if it doesn't and it might not yeah and like I said I don't think it's other role in possibility that these guys lose and they're done as a tag team and then cage you know fucking beats his ass again that's and then they have a program that culminates at Wembley right that be a very good Wembley match for a w to put together these two guys against each other
01:47:53.773 --> 01:47:59.095
[UNKNOWN]: But the only other thing that gives you a little the young bucks were at one point involved in this program.
01:47:59.855 --> 01:48:04.517
[UNKNOWN]: Right, so then that, and it's like they've been teasing the young bucks, verse, caging, cope.
01:48:05.237 --> 01:48:06.658
[UNKNOWN]: And that's a good one, that too.
01:48:06.678 --> 01:48:09.739
[UNKNOWN]: If you're thinking about when we match is, I mean, the young bucks versus that.
01:48:09.759 --> 01:48:10.799
[UNKNOWN]: The young bucks, right.
01:48:11.419 --> 01:48:18.642
[UNKNOWN]: And they've kind of gotten away from that in this paperview cycle because they've got the bucks aligned with obviously Jericho and all of that.
01:48:19.606 --> 01:48:23.948
[UNKNOWN]: But they did that whole thing symbolically where they held the belts up in hand.
01:48:23.968 --> 01:48:24.488
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
01:48:24.508 --> 01:48:25.409
[UNKNOWN]: They did that all that shit.
01:48:26.509 --> 01:48:29.751
[UNKNOWN]: So that's still kind of points to Kate, Cage, and Cobb winning this.
01:48:29.851 --> 01:48:35.174
[UNKNOWN]: But what you propose I don't think is impossible.
01:48:35.374 --> 01:48:37.615
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it would be an interesting way of going about it.
01:48:40.236 --> 01:48:44.358
[UNKNOWN]: Let me see if I get you a, or the betting odds, let's see it.
01:48:44.378 --> 01:48:44.898
[UNKNOWN]: A betting line.
01:48:44.918 --> 01:48:45.819
[UNKNOWN]: You want a betting line here?
01:48:45.839 --> 01:48:46.399
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the interesting.
01:48:49.849 --> 01:48:50.829
[UNKNOWN]: did this log now.
01:48:52.270 --> 01:48:52.730
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, shit.
01:48:52.750 --> 01:48:53.930
[UNKNOWN]: I got money on baseball games.
01:48:53.950 --> 01:48:54.490
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't even know it.
01:48:57.511 --> 01:49:02.473
[UNKNOWN]: See, one of these sites is sponsor us.
01:49:02.513 --> 01:49:03.353
[UNKNOWN]: Then we could do these.
01:49:03.713 --> 01:49:05.534
[UNKNOWN]: These can be sponsored segments.
01:49:05.614 --> 01:49:05.914
[UNKNOWN]: Idiots.
01:49:07.054 --> 01:49:09.075
[UNKNOWN]: Cagin cope are massive favorites.
01:49:09.515 --> 01:49:10.575
[UNKNOWN]: Minus 2,000.
01:49:10.636 --> 01:49:11.016
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
01:49:13.496 --> 01:49:16.017
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that might be worth dropping a couple of bones on just in case.
01:49:16.337 --> 01:49:17.758
[UNKNOWN]: Plus 900 on FTR.
01:49:17.778 --> 01:49:18.458
[UNKNOWN]: Good value there.
01:49:20.342 --> 01:49:21.162
[UNKNOWN]: plus nine hundred.
01:49:23.383 --> 01:49:24.103
[UNKNOWN]: I might not be the worst.
01:49:24.123 --> 01:49:25.544
[UNKNOWN]: I might not be the worst bet.
01:49:27.184 --> 01:49:30.025
[UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't bet the house on NFTR, but a couple bucks, a couple bones.
01:49:30.906 --> 01:49:31.646
[UNKNOWN]: A little sprinkle.
01:49:32.006 --> 01:49:34.047
[UNKNOWN]: A little sprinkle on NFTR, might not be bad, you know?
01:49:34.067 --> 01:49:35.848
[UNKNOWN]: A little sprinkle.
01:49:35.908 --> 01:49:37.188
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't do that.
01:49:37.548 --> 01:49:41.310
[UNKNOWN]: Like when you have, you know, just a little hunch about the Colorado Rockies on a random Wednesday.
01:49:41.370 --> 01:49:44.531
[UNKNOWN]: Are you right, is that on my bookie.ag?
01:49:44.611 --> 01:49:45.191
[UNKNOWN]: Did you're looking at?
01:49:45.618 --> 01:49:46.539
[UNKNOWN]: There's no free ants here.
01:49:46.619 --> 01:49:47.160
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, sorry.
01:49:47.660 --> 01:49:48.481
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
01:49:48.601 --> 01:49:49.362
[UNKNOWN]: There's no free ants.
01:49:49.382 --> 01:49:49.922
[UNKNOWN]: Fuck them up.
01:49:51.163 --> 01:49:51.404
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:49:51.724 --> 01:49:52.064
[UNKNOWN]: Fuck them.
01:49:52.124 --> 01:49:52.885
[UNKNOWN]: Like big bad luck.
01:49:52.905 --> 01:49:53.406
[UNKNOWN]: Follow us.
01:49:53.446 --> 01:49:53.866
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:49:56.709 --> 01:49:57.009
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:49:57.049 --> 01:50:02.575
[UNKNOWN]: So look, I like that you've casted some doubts on what looks like a very chalk finish.
01:50:03.518 --> 01:50:03.858
[UNKNOWN]: about that.
01:50:03.919 --> 01:50:04.639
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
01:50:04.720 --> 01:50:05.240
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it.
01:50:05.300 --> 01:50:10.867
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think there is a because they've kind of zagged every single time with with coped.
01:50:11.007 --> 01:50:20.718
[UNKNOWN]: Like everything that I thought he was going to do, he hasn't done so I do wonder if yeah, maybe they they they they they zig one more time and and have FTR win, but I will see.
01:50:21.659 --> 01:50:21.960
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
01:50:21.980 --> 01:50:30.387
[UNKNOWN]: It's probably going to be a three-way match at one play right after you are the box because it's okay to cope with the champions, but with the TLC, but you can't call it TLC.
01:50:30.487 --> 01:50:31.628
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, right, right, right, right.
01:50:31.648 --> 01:50:33.309
[UNKNOWN]: What we thought we were getting on this show.
01:50:33.369 --> 01:50:35.952
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but let me have this, let me have this at least for a minute.
01:50:36.552 --> 01:50:39.294
[UNKNOWN]: Um, hey, you can have this, stadium stampede.
01:50:40.275 --> 01:51:00.162
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
01:51:04.258 --> 01:51:07.881
[UNKNOWN]: There's been a couple since then that I've been like, all right, I think I'm good forever on these.
01:51:07.901 --> 01:51:14.727
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm certainly good on, uh-oh, it's double or nothing, season time for an insert anarchy in the arena or insert a stadium stamp in that.
01:51:15.467 --> 01:51:24.175
[UNKNOWN]: So we got Jericho, Bobby Lashley, Shelton Benjamin, Kenny Omega, Jungle Jack Perry, Matt Jackson, and Nick Jackson.
01:51:25.075 --> 01:51:32.001
[UNKNOWN]: Versus Ricochet, Bishop Contoeleona, Mark Davis, Andrade, Clark Conner's, and David Finley.
01:51:32.021 --> 01:51:32.902
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of men.
01:51:34.370 --> 01:51:59.062
[UNKNOWN]: and a match a lot of men and a lot of brawling and hitting each other with weapons brawling in the crowd, brawling backstage, terrified that they are on the grounds of a major tennis center of the wackiness that will ensue in this thing as they brawl outside of the Louis Armstrong venue and
01:52:00.451 --> 01:52:02.453
[UNKNOWN]: on to other courts in the facility.
01:52:02.493 --> 01:52:06.477
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, someone's getting tossed over a tennis, you know, tennis piece humor.
01:52:06.577 --> 01:52:10.782
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, fucking the tennis ball shooter thing that they train with.
01:52:10.802 --> 01:52:12.003
[UNKNOWN]: Someone getting shot with tennis ball.
01:52:12.023 --> 01:52:13.504
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:52:13.564 --> 01:52:14.826
[UNKNOWN]: You can mark that one down.
01:52:17.887 --> 01:52:21.931
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe John Macken-Roy or Yannick Noah will make an appearance and hit somebody with a tennis racket?
01:52:23.413 --> 01:52:25.235
[UNKNOWN]: Pete Samperos will show up, yeah.
01:52:25.875 --> 01:52:29.840
[UNKNOWN]: Pete Samperos, absolutely Jim Carrier, who knows who could show up.
01:52:30.500 --> 01:52:31.762
[UNKNOWN]: Let's evon Lendol up, too.
01:52:32.943 --> 01:52:37.007
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, he could show up here with Boris Becker for all we know, you know?
01:52:37.227 --> 01:52:37.508
[UNKNOWN]: So,
01:52:39.453 --> 01:52:40.934
[UNKNOWN]: Listen, now you sold you on this match.
01:52:40.994 --> 01:52:51.018
[UNKNOWN]: I'm in mid with the amount of 1980s and 1990s Ted is players that would be how busy could Michael Chang really go.
01:52:51.138 --> 01:52:52.978
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's got nothing going on, right?
01:52:53.539 --> 01:52:56.120
[UNKNOWN]: How busy can Michael Chang really do?
01:52:56.540 --> 01:52:57.540
[UNKNOWN]: That's a love Michael Chang.
01:52:58.061 --> 01:53:00.321
[UNKNOWN]: Matt's V-Londer has nothing going on.
01:53:00.441 --> 01:53:01.142
[UNKNOWN]: Get him out there.
01:53:03.483 --> 01:53:06.906
[UNKNOWN]: And have them, you know, can't you see that?
01:53:07.066 --> 01:53:13.571
[UNKNOWN]: Can't you see, like Goran Ivani Savage out there, spanking Ricochet with a tennis racket?
01:53:13.591 --> 01:53:15.833
[UNKNOWN]: That might be a little too niche, I don't know.
01:53:16.133 --> 01:53:23.980
[UNKNOWN]: Like Goran even known for that power serve, the first man to hit 100 miles per hour on it, and he's spanking Ricochet with the tennis racket.
01:53:24.700 --> 01:53:29.602
[UNKNOWN]: If there was ever a flagship segment made for Alan Koonahan, it was this one.
01:53:29.622 --> 01:53:30.483
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we should have called him.
01:53:30.663 --> 01:53:32.604
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he just woke up.
01:53:32.624 --> 01:53:33.504
[UNKNOWN]: He's probably sleeping right now.
01:53:33.524 --> 01:53:34.164
[UNKNOWN]: But he just woke up.
01:53:34.184 --> 01:53:34.905
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't know why.
01:53:34.925 --> 01:53:37.926
[UNKNOWN]: He just shummed out of bed.
01:53:38.566 --> 01:53:39.927
[UNKNOWN]: Scared to show Sarah.
01:53:40.467 --> 01:53:41.668
[UNKNOWN]: She's saying, what's going on now?
01:53:41.688 --> 01:53:43.549
[UNKNOWN]: And he goes, I don't know something.
01:53:43.589 --> 01:53:45.209
[UNKNOWN]: He's scratching the back of his neck.
01:53:45.230 --> 01:53:46.030
[UNKNOWN]: Right, something.
01:53:46.790 --> 01:53:51.532
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, I was, oh, I was dreaming about Boris Becker and gore on Ivanovich.
01:53:51.572 --> 01:53:52.613
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know that was strange.
01:53:54.288 --> 01:54:00.270
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and Matthew Allen says, French Open starts this weekend, so no current tennis players, no problem Matthew.
01:54:00.430 --> 01:54:02.991
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody we've mentioned, just been retired for 35 years.
01:54:03.111 --> 01:54:03.711
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:54:03.771 --> 01:54:08.472
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, one of the most current players mentioned is Michael Chang, maybe, right?
01:54:08.752 --> 01:54:10.673
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think we have that mentioned.
01:54:11.273 --> 01:54:14.314
[UNKNOWN]: We haven't even gotten to the Andy Marys or Eddie like the guy who's worked.
01:54:14.374 --> 01:54:16.515
[UNKNOWN]: No, we, everybody we mentioned is the guy.
01:54:16.955 --> 01:54:19.696
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think I've named someone who played in the 2000s.
01:54:19.916 --> 01:54:23.097
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, who, what, what's show do you think this is?
01:54:24.372 --> 01:54:26.474
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you think we pull our references from?
01:54:28.035 --> 01:54:33.060
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, jeez, so I don't know.
01:54:33.140 --> 01:54:37.263
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's going to be way, it has a chance to be wacky and all the wrong ways.
01:54:38.204 --> 01:54:42.888
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I have no interest in this.
01:54:42.948 --> 01:54:43.869
[UNKNOWN]: I have zero interest in this.
01:54:43.889 --> 01:54:44.930
[UNKNOWN]: That's zero interest.
01:54:44.990 --> 01:54:45.911
[UNKNOWN]: Zero interest in this.
01:54:46.891 --> 01:54:49.414
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the only thing that can make this worse, honestly.
01:54:50.238 --> 01:54:51.919
[UNKNOWN]: his hangman comes riding in on a horse.
01:54:52.299 --> 01:54:54.181
[UNKNOWN]: That's the only thing that can make this worse.
01:54:55.401 --> 01:54:58.383
[UNKNOWN]: I will never forgive them for that spot.
01:54:59.084 --> 01:55:00.105
[UNKNOWN]: He's on that street.
01:55:00.165 --> 01:55:00.765
[UNKNOWN]: It's COVID.
01:55:00.805 --> 01:55:01.746
[UNKNOWN]: So the streets are empty.
01:55:02.586 --> 01:55:04.247
[UNKNOWN]: And he's riding a fucking horse.
01:55:04.788 --> 01:55:05.528
[UNKNOWN]: Very slowly.
01:55:06.209 --> 01:55:06.849
[UNKNOWN]: Very easy.
01:55:06.929 --> 01:55:07.189
[UNKNOWN]: Very easy.
01:55:07.309 --> 01:55:09.050
[UNKNOWN]: I'm T. Jacksonville Jackwalk Stadium.
01:55:09.070 --> 01:55:09.311
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:55:10.692 --> 01:55:12.593
[UNKNOWN]: I don't forget what sponsorship it had at that time.
01:55:12.613 --> 01:55:14.114
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I watched that match not that long ago.
01:55:14.134 --> 01:55:15.795
[UNKNOWN]: And it's, uh, never good.
01:55:17.268 --> 01:55:38.645
[UNKNOWN]: and you you had a horse that didn't that night for people that are wondering like I pulled the tape and you can listen to change the world on flexion patreon.com you hold the tape oh yeah and you were like ah the fuck is he doing a god damn horse so it's the care about this guy writing on a horse it's like utterly ridiculous um... you know what else I don't care about
01:55:40.410 --> 01:55:47.292
[UNKNOWN]: what Chris Jericho and the young bucks call their collective team, which was what they let off Dynamite with last night.
01:55:48.533 --> 01:55:59.916
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing would describe the giant chasm between what modern wrestling fans want and what I want and anyone who could possibly give a shit what Jericho and the young bucks call themselves.
01:56:01.057 --> 01:56:02.057
[UNKNOWN]: Do you care about that?
01:56:05.950 --> 01:56:30.818
[UNKNOWN]: What the chair would Jericho in the I don't know maybe no, I'd you wrapped up and no, I would like to for these guys to care about taping their fists to beat up Mark Davis and Andrade within an inch of their life beat up ricochet with an inch of his life They lead him bloody and battered and I want Jericho taping his wrists and dunking it in the glass and and you know Those guys get ready and that's what I want I want those guys.
01:56:30.898 --> 01:56:31.818
[UNKNOWN]: I want to talk to a name
01:56:34.179 --> 01:56:38.242
[UNKNOWN]: I want them concocting ways to cripple Ricochet for being a shithead.
01:56:38.763 --> 01:56:47.249
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I want, you know, um, I just don't get it, like, what is with the ha-ha-has?
01:56:47.289 --> 01:56:50.031
[UNKNOWN]: This is like, that's why I'm telling you, this is going to be a lot of comedy.
01:56:50.051 --> 01:56:51.272
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, of course it will, yeah, of course it will.
01:56:51.632 --> 01:56:57.997
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think you're getting like an anarchy in Yerina here where any Kingston threatening to set the place on fire.
01:56:58.918 --> 01:57:01.300
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, look at the tone that they're setting.
01:57:02.177 --> 01:57:03.938
[UNKNOWN]: They're worried about what they're gonna call themselves.
01:57:04.739 --> 01:57:06.620
[UNKNOWN]: I have come up with a great name for these guys.
01:57:07.601 --> 01:57:08.862
[UNKNOWN]: Would you like to be like me to pitch it?
01:57:08.902 --> 01:57:09.583
[UNKNOWN]: Would you like to hear it?
01:57:09.883 --> 01:57:13.105
[UNKNOWN]: So this is a name that you're pitching for Jericho and the young bucks.
01:57:13.586 --> 01:57:13.806
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:57:13.986 --> 01:57:17.468
[UNKNOWN]: Because at the beginning of Dynamite Day, we're trying to concoct to their team name.
01:57:17.508 --> 01:57:18.349
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so what do you got?
01:57:18.369 --> 01:57:19.090
[UNKNOWN]: And they couldn't agree.
01:57:20.190 --> 01:57:24.614
[UNKNOWN]: I think they should call themselves the young bucks and Chris Jericho.
01:57:24.754 --> 01:57:25.214
[UNKNOWN]: How's that?
01:57:25.294 --> 01:57:25.655
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:57:27.216 --> 01:57:27.936
[UNKNOWN]: How do you like that?
01:57:28.337 --> 01:57:29.597
[UNKNOWN]: Interesting, take, yeah.
01:57:29.758 --> 01:57:30.198
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:57:31.135 --> 01:57:38.977
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, how about we just call ourselves our names, and we don't come up with a wacky, like, why?
01:57:39.037 --> 01:57:39.557
[UNKNOWN]: Who cares?
01:57:40.737 --> 01:57:42.477
[UNKNOWN]: Can we talk about hurting the opponents?
01:57:43.557 --> 01:57:44.178
[UNKNOWN]: Can we do that?
01:57:45.078 --> 01:57:45.498
[UNKNOWN]: We can't.
01:57:46.438 --> 01:57:57.020
[UNKNOWN]: Because there's always this, the goofiness and the utter nonsense is baked into the DNA of AEW, and it's never going away.
01:57:58.728 --> 01:57:59.808
[UNKNOWN]: And it just is what it is.
01:58:00.529 --> 01:58:14.333
[UNKNOWN]: And there's a segment of the audience who likes that shit, who can't wait with the cryon says on Sunday when Jericho and the young bucks come out and we'll have, you know, be just be left in their asses off the way they come out.
01:58:14.353 --> 01:58:15.113
[UNKNOWN]: What happened to these?
01:58:15.153 --> 01:58:17.553
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my God, it's the Winnipeg box.
01:58:17.573 --> 01:58:19.994
[UNKNOWN]: There's something stupid, you know, it's dumb.
01:58:20.554 --> 01:58:20.994
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:58:21.034 --> 01:58:22.335
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:58:22.375 --> 01:58:22.595
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:58:22.815 --> 01:58:26.176
[UNKNOWN]: And why two bucks in credible look.
01:58:26.508 --> 01:58:33.875
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, while Marty fish is shooting tennis balls at Ricochet, that's, that's, and, you know, it's going to be hilarious.
01:58:39.300 --> 01:58:40.562
[UNKNOWN]: Marty would a D, by the way.
01:58:40.622 --> 01:58:41.563
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:58:41.583 --> 01:58:45.006
[UNKNOWN]: Marty, you're actually getting me pretty excited about this show.
01:58:45.026 --> 01:58:48.670
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of forgotten tennis players going to take up.
01:58:50.946 --> 01:58:53.247
[UNKNOWN]: Is that the most recent one you've come up with is Marty Fish?
01:58:53.567 --> 01:58:56.028
[UNKNOWN]: Has to be, because I played like, he played that one.
01:58:56.048 --> 01:58:56.889
[UNKNOWN]: He played that one.
01:58:57.329 --> 01:58:57.629
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:58:57.889 --> 01:58:58.549
[UNKNOWN]: Marty Fish.
01:58:58.569 --> 01:58:58.869
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:58:58.949 --> 01:58:59.310
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:59:01.030 --> 01:59:02.191
[UNKNOWN]: You're Google in Marty.
01:59:02.631 --> 01:59:03.411
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that had bad.
01:59:03.451 --> 01:59:03.711
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:59:03.731 --> 01:59:03.831
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:59:03.871 --> 01:59:04.632
[UNKNOWN]: I remember that bad.
01:59:04.972 --> 01:59:05.992
[UNKNOWN]: I liked Marty Fish.
01:59:06.453 --> 01:59:09.154
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he's a good doubles player.
01:59:09.514 --> 01:59:10.074
[UNKNOWN]: Marty Fish.
01:59:10.194 --> 01:59:11.034
[UNKNOWN]: I never watched the doubles.
01:59:11.174 --> 01:59:12.075
[UNKNOWN]: I never got any of the doubles.
01:59:13.355 --> 01:59:15.276
[UNKNOWN]: You know, they sell the doubles short.
01:59:15.296 --> 01:59:16.837
[UNKNOWN]: They don't air enough of the doubles.
01:59:18.544 --> 01:59:20.245
[UNKNOWN]: They don't, they don't air enough for the doubles.
01:59:22.826 --> 01:59:23.827
[UNKNOWN]: I like doubles tennis.
01:59:24.067 --> 01:59:25.488
[UNKNOWN]: It's exciting, it's faster-paced.
01:59:26.669 --> 01:59:29.590
[UNKNOWN]: But, yeah, it was a good doubles player.
01:59:29.630 --> 01:59:33.953
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you ever want to double grand slam events, but,
01:59:36.539 --> 01:59:39.041
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, why are we talking about Marty Fish?
01:59:39.181 --> 01:59:48.069
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, well, here we go to one thing I don't care about to another thing I don't care about then then we'll then we'll clear the air for a couple things I care about on the rest of the show.
01:59:49.170 --> 01:59:50.110
[UNKNOWN]: The by far.
01:59:51.091 --> 01:59:56.556
[UNKNOWN]: Unquestionably the worst thing in a WWE right now is whatever the fuck this Chris Stanton or her car sheet of thing is.
01:59:57.512 --> 02:00:25.634
[UNKNOWN]: which is happening four-way match the coveted or what what did they call this a couple years ago the historic will wait is double or nothing where they have the historic women's four-way that was the historic women's four-way the traditional women's traditional women's four-way yep so we're doing it yet again wait double or nothing is the show where they do that I think so because they did one year it happened and then they just said yeah well that's the traditional and everyone's like what's like what's the traditional women's four-way that's not true that's not true okay
02:00:26.515 --> 02:00:27.816
[UNKNOWN]: Don't stop what you're doing.
02:00:28.076 --> 02:00:34.861
[UNKNOWN]: Stop, Rich, can you name any women's four way that's ever happened to double or nothing off the top?
02:00:34.961 --> 02:00:36.662
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, no.
02:00:36.742 --> 02:00:41.545
[UNKNOWN]: Willow versus, do you think that we have a single listener?
02:00:43.066 --> 02:00:52.152
[UNKNOWN]: That off the top of the dome can name a single women's four way that's ever happened to double or nothing off for participants, winner and finish.
02:00:53.934 --> 02:00:55.054
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think anyone can do it?
02:00:55.094 --> 02:00:55.975
[UNKNOWN]: Not one person.
02:00:56.976 --> 02:01:01.379
[UNKNOWN]: So here's the best part about this, in our chat room, we have people saying, all in is when they have the traditional foreway.
02:01:01.399 --> 02:01:03.060
[UNKNOWN]: And then someone said, no, it's all out.
02:01:03.260 --> 02:01:04.461
[UNKNOWN]: That tells you all you need to know.
02:01:04.481 --> 02:01:05.461
[UNKNOWN]: That tells you all you need to know.
02:01:05.481 --> 02:01:07.082
[UNKNOWN]: That's your traditional women's foreway.
02:01:07.102 --> 02:01:07.963
[UNKNOWN]: That tells you all you need to know.
02:01:08.403 --> 02:01:09.824
[UNKNOWN]: Is we said it's somewhere nothing.
02:01:10.024 --> 02:01:11.165
[UNKNOWN]: One person said it's all in.
02:01:11.205 --> 02:01:12.225
[UNKNOWN]: The other person said it's all out.
02:01:12.365 --> 02:01:14.286
[UNKNOWN]: All you need to know about the traditional women's foreway.
02:01:14.727 --> 02:01:15.387
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a thing.
02:01:16.548 --> 02:01:18.189
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't think it was double or nothing, either.
02:01:21.231 --> 02:01:22.271
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't think it was either.
02:01:22.712 --> 02:01:24.833
[UNKNOWN]: I think they've had a couple of them on double or nothing.
02:01:26.794 --> 02:01:53.232
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but does that count as the traditional women's four way that they do at whichever paper it is that no one can say maybe it's all in then I don't know maybe it's all in I don't know they do want it all in let's look up to the assurances I'll look at the issue of nothing real quick so you know I'll look up all in Yeah, all in did they have one at all in in uh in our LinkedIn
02:01:56.166 --> 02:01:56.847
[UNKNOWN]: a four way.
02:02:00.530 --> 02:02:01.891
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, maybe they never had one at a.
02:02:02.372 --> 02:02:08.617
[UNKNOWN]: This is why the, this is why the sick goes in the freak is the way it's not like us because we mock what they love.
02:02:08.637 --> 02:02:10.439
[UNKNOWN]: They're probably like, you don't remember these foot.
02:02:10.499 --> 02:02:11.600
[UNKNOWN]: No, no one can get no.
02:02:11.920 --> 02:02:13.021
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember any of you.
02:02:13.041 --> 02:02:15.543
[UNKNOWN]: No one does women's traditional four way matches.
02:02:16.064 --> 02:02:22.049
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so in Arlington, they didn't have one in Arlington.
02:02:22.289 --> 02:02:23.050
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, well.
02:02:24.375 --> 02:02:33.519
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not all they ever have these because we remember them apparently happening, but I don't think they ever have them so let's see, let's check 2024.
02:02:33.659 --> 02:02:41.523
[UNKNOWN]: No, they did not have a four-way women's match in 2024 all in either.
02:02:44.790 --> 02:02:48.473
[UNKNOWN]: There is a YouTube video when I look up a traditional women's forum at just AEW.
02:02:48.493 --> 02:03:00.043
[UNKNOWN]: There is a video from our YouTube channel that says wrestling's greatest traditions, the deep history and traditions of AEW women's four-way matches, which is probably almost verbatim the exact same way we're happening right now.
02:03:00.063 --> 02:03:04.947
[UNKNOWN]: Backed on this before, that's like, you're saying, the greatest story in tradition.
02:03:05.447 --> 02:03:12.772
[UNKNOWN]: In 2023, they had one at all, and it was Saraya, a car sheet, a brick baker, and Tony store.
02:03:13.232 --> 02:03:16.154
[UNKNOWN]: That was when Saraya won the title in Wembley.
02:03:16.475 --> 02:03:16.755
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:03:18.316 --> 02:03:21.838
[UNKNOWN]: And CM Punk, Jungle Boy would ever happen there.
02:03:22.999 --> 02:03:23.980
[UNKNOWN]: That was that show.
02:03:25.077 --> 02:03:26.498
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see if they had one year before me.
02:03:26.518 --> 02:03:27.938
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm seeing one at all out.
02:03:27.998 --> 02:03:33.540
[UNKNOWN]: I believe this is 2021, maybe Tony Storm, Britt Baker, Jamie Hater, and her car Rashida.
02:03:33.560 --> 02:03:38.962
[UNKNOWN]: They all feature car Rashida, it seems like, and that's why they're all forgettable, because she stinks, so.
02:03:38.982 --> 02:03:40.282
[UNKNOWN]: Now that was the first all-in, 2023.
02:03:40.402 --> 02:03:41.223
[UNKNOWN]: All right, yeah.
02:03:41.243 --> 02:03:44.544
[UNKNOWN]: So no, it's definitely not all-in where they do this.
02:03:44.604 --> 02:03:45.904
[UNKNOWN]: We know it's not double or nothing.
02:03:46.044 --> 02:03:48.245
[UNKNOWN]: They did one at all out, like I said, in 2021.
02:03:49.245 --> 02:03:54.287
[UNKNOWN]: So when is the traditional women's four way that we're all supposed to think is traditional?
02:04:01.237 --> 02:04:02.638
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't want to dynamite Grand Slam.
02:04:02.798 --> 02:04:06.100
[UNKNOWN]: I'm finding out Tony Storm Serena D. Bethina, Dr. Britt Baker.
02:04:06.420 --> 02:04:08.922
[UNKNOWN]: So well, we're getting one on Sunday.
02:04:09.002 --> 02:04:09.282
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:04:09.302 --> 02:04:09.842
[UNKNOWN]: You know that.
02:04:09.942 --> 02:04:10.322
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
02:04:10.863 --> 02:04:16.246
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I don't know if this is the traditional AEW women's four way.
02:04:17.735 --> 02:04:24.078
[UNKNOWN]: But a tradition, unlike any other, it's like the masters, it's like the USL, the USL be taking place.
02:04:25.078 --> 02:04:31.401
[UNKNOWN]: It's like the traditional Gabe Sapolsky, six man tags from WrestleMania weekend.
02:04:32.082 --> 02:04:33.362
[UNKNOWN]: Not that you can name some of those.
02:04:34.323 --> 02:04:38.045
[UNKNOWN]: But you cannot name any of these traditional AEW women's four-way matches.
02:04:39.565 --> 02:04:55.332
[UNKNOWN]: And this is one that you also won't be able to name probably about a week or two after it happens or forget who all four participants were in this one as well and yes you brought up a great point that I have been ranting about for weeks now.
02:04:56.182 --> 02:04:58.503
[UNKNOWN]: with this criss-stattlander, her car Rashida.
02:04:58.523 --> 02:04:59.763
[UNKNOWN]: The dickos, utterly ridiculous.
02:04:59.783 --> 02:05:04.244
[UNKNOWN]: Utterly ridiculous that criss-stattlander continues to roll her eyes and be frustrated with Shida.
02:05:04.824 --> 02:05:08.745
[UNKNOWN]: When there's really no reason that she has to hang out with her, she should have beaten her up weeks ago.
02:05:08.765 --> 02:05:09.385
[UNKNOWN]: Why are you friends?
02:05:09.566 --> 02:05:10.806
[UNKNOWN]: Why are you friends with her?
02:05:11.126 --> 02:05:13.206
[UNKNOWN]: There's, yeah, there's no emotional connection.
02:05:13.246 --> 02:05:14.167
[UNKNOWN]: You're not family.
02:05:14.667 --> 02:05:18.248
[UNKNOWN]: You haven't been this some legendary tag team that's been together for years and years.
02:05:19.128 --> 02:05:25.091
[UNKNOWN]: There's no reason to hang around this person who A, annoys you, B, you think is costing you matches.
02:05:25.591 --> 02:05:34.295
[UNKNOWN]: C, cut you off in every promo you're trying to talk shit about you in Japanese, apparently you're not supposed to know because you're an idiot who only you'd never watch the show ever.
02:05:34.795 --> 02:05:35.035
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:05:36.216 --> 02:05:40.138
[UNKNOWN]: It's the worst, you're right, it's the worst storyline going in my company today.
02:05:41.058 --> 02:05:45.140
[UNKNOWN]: It's dumb, no one cares about it, no one cares about this tag team.
02:05:46.309 --> 02:05:50.892
[UNKNOWN]: and Chris that lander looks like a fucking idiot because she keeps hanging around this person.
02:05:52.614 --> 02:05:55.416
[UNKNOWN]: And hopefully we can just resolve this in this little four way here.
02:05:56.056 --> 02:06:02.641
[UNKNOWN]: It's one of the terrible things they do in modern wrestling now where they just they have a team and they put them together and the first thing they do is start breaking up right away.
02:06:03.983 --> 02:06:05.623
[UNKNOWN]: And this is the WWE playbook.
02:06:05.643 --> 02:06:09.344
[UNKNOWN]: You know, look at every, every WWE stable and tag team.
02:06:09.384 --> 02:06:11.525
[UNKNOWN]: It's like they come together and then they're immediately arguing.
02:06:11.545 --> 02:06:15.126
[UNKNOWN]: Judgment Day has been arguing with each other nonstop for seven years.
02:06:15.166 --> 02:06:16.186
[UNKNOWN]: Now basically, you know what I mean?
02:06:16.226 --> 02:06:22.887
[UNKNOWN]: Like the bloodline is constantly, you're, you know, looking at one another and saying, who are you, you know, no, I'm not going to listen to you.
02:06:22.967 --> 02:06:23.727
[UNKNOWN]: I'm in charge now.
02:06:23.748 --> 02:06:25.528
[UNKNOWN]: I remember, remember, I'm all the same shit.
02:06:25.548 --> 02:06:27.208
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's just what every stable done.
02:06:27.228 --> 02:06:29.809
[UNKNOWN]: And then AW doesn't hear where they bring this team together.
02:06:30.888 --> 02:06:43.089
[UNKNOWN]: For no, I mean, they team together a couple times in 2021 or 2022 or whatever, they come together, just went by the way, nobody, nobody knows if nobody cares no one remembers it was meaningless, it didn't do anything there were no titles then
02:06:44.112 --> 02:06:50.200
[UNKNOWN]: OK, no normal person, or 20, 20, 20, 20, 22, right.
02:06:50.541 --> 02:06:51.782
[UNKNOWN]: So then they just come together.
02:06:51.802 --> 02:06:57.910
[UNKNOWN]: They have a little dumb pose that they do at the top of the entrance ramp or whatever.
02:06:57.930 --> 02:06:58.251
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
02:06:58.291 --> 02:07:00.694
[UNKNOWN]: Now we're attacking team because she sticks out her.
02:07:01.634 --> 02:07:07.198
[UNKNOWN]: fucking stick, and I stuck out my hand, remember, remember, whatever, but then like immediately they're fighting with one another.
02:07:07.218 --> 02:07:12.962
[UNKNOWN]: In a melee car, she just stuck in shit, and immediately it's like, why I have no emotional investment in these people being a team together.
02:07:13.642 --> 02:07:16.584
[UNKNOWN]: They're clearly don't get along right from jump.
02:07:16.744 --> 02:07:17.765
[UNKNOWN]: Why are they still together?
02:07:17.825 --> 02:07:20.367
[UNKNOWN]: Why is she just, it just makes statlin to look like an absolute buffoon.
02:07:21.872 --> 02:07:24.793
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know and they're gonna have a fucking four-way match here.
02:07:24.853 --> 02:07:29.534
[UNKNOWN]: And obviously it'll have it'll heavily affect the finish of this Yeah, of course.
02:07:30.074 --> 02:07:40.317
[UNKNOWN]: I'm thinking the traditional women's four-way Was one of the named television dynamites not a paper view like it may have been like a thing that they did at fucking winter is coming or something
02:07:41.915 --> 02:07:51.519
[UNKNOWN]: are one of those, maybe not that one specifically, you get spring bash, whatever to fuck they do, fucking Tony's tits extravaganza that they do it, whatever.
02:07:51.779 --> 02:07:57.422
[UNKNOWN]: But one of the names, dynamites, um, I think that's sure.
02:07:57.582 --> 02:07:57.822
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:07:58.182 --> 02:07:58.922
[UNKNOWN]: You can go with that.
02:07:58.962 --> 02:07:59.122
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:07:59.222 --> 02:08:04.343
[UNKNOWN]: But we have to go listen to our video where we made fun of the first time, to see what we were previewing.
02:08:04.523 --> 02:08:04.624
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:08:04.644 --> 02:08:05.904
[UNKNOWN]: That's something from a long time ago.
02:08:05.924 --> 02:08:07.064
[UNKNOWN]: It was like three or four years ago.
02:08:07.104 --> 02:08:09.805
[UNKNOWN]: Because they marketed that one as the traditional.
02:08:10.025 --> 02:08:16.626
[UNKNOWN]: There was one where they, it showed up and they showed the match graphic and said, ah, yes, the traditional way, it's for me.
02:08:16.646 --> 02:08:18.027
[UNKNOWN]: We all remember it from the original.
02:08:18.307 --> 02:08:22.448
[UNKNOWN]: They went out and everybody went, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
02:08:22.468 --> 02:08:22.808
[UNKNOWN]: What?
02:08:22.848 --> 02:08:23.068
[UNKNOWN]: What?
02:08:23.788 --> 02:08:24.008
[UNKNOWN]: What?
02:08:24.028 --> 02:08:24.688
[UNKNOWN]: This is a thing.
02:08:25.828 --> 02:08:26.569
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a thing.
02:08:26.589 --> 02:08:27.369
[UNKNOWN]: That is a thing.
02:08:29.462 --> 02:08:37.385
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, prepare for like a car, like Kristalliner to get a pinfall, to car shoot a drag her off and point.
02:08:37.445 --> 02:08:38.305
[UNKNOWN]: And steal the pin.
02:08:38.325 --> 02:08:39.506
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's not what I was gonna say.
02:08:39.526 --> 02:08:41.446
[UNKNOWN]: That was, I could have won the match.
02:08:41.507 --> 02:08:42.507
[UNKNOWN]: And a car shoot this thing.
02:08:42.527 --> 02:08:44.728
[UNKNOWN]: I'm wearing it, I'm wearing it, I'm looking for it.
02:08:44.748 --> 02:08:45.528
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I love it.
02:08:45.548 --> 02:08:50.190
[UNKNOWN]: You know, but then they'll have another promo with fucking Lexi, fucking Nair next week.
02:08:51.233 --> 02:09:06.900
[UNKNOWN]: Statelander will have her arms crossed and she'll roll her eyes in the back of her head instead of just saying no I don't like you Yeah, I had that match one and you cost me the match get you stop hanging around this person hit her in the fucking head Never worry, let's all move on.
02:09:06.960 --> 02:09:11.963
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right get her in that little fucking package by all driver dealer Whatever drop on her fucking neck and call it today.
02:09:12.103 --> 02:09:12.403
[UNKNOWN]: We're good
02:09:14.259 --> 02:09:33.560
[UNKNOWN]: Remember when Harley race had all his boys just jumped the barbarian I thought you saw it and I like he that enough of you you're you're out and then you know And barbarian was like what no and he tried to fight back But they beat the shit out of them give him the pile driver think orange or if game of pile driver whoever What is fucking beat her up and be done with this shit already done what are we doing?
02:09:34.440 --> 02:09:37.582
[UNKNOWN]: What is her motivation to stay loyal to Hookah?
02:09:37.622 --> 02:09:38.643
[UNKNOWN]: I have no idea.
02:09:39.203 --> 02:09:40.064
[UNKNOWN]: What's the motivation?
02:09:40.344 --> 02:09:41.785
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you brought up with what A.W.'
02:09:41.765 --> 02:09:45.708
[UNKNOWN]: 's motivation is to keep the hookah or sheet around, but regardless, yes.
02:09:46.068 --> 02:09:47.329
[UNKNOWN]: What is your motivation for Crisdale?
02:09:47.349 --> 02:09:48.610
[UNKNOWN]: You brought up the bloodline.
02:09:49.091 --> 02:09:50.572
[UNKNOWN]: OK, they're all related.
02:09:51.632 --> 02:09:53.234
[UNKNOWN]: I kind of get the motivation to,
02:09:54.416 --> 02:10:01.682
[UNKNOWN]: Why like from a k-fabe standpoint, like Jimmy and Jay are brothers, they're not going to give up on each other that easy.
02:10:01.702 --> 02:10:02.262
[UNKNOWN]: You see what?
02:10:02.283 --> 02:10:04.544
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and you know, that's a good point because Roman is their cousin.
02:10:04.564 --> 02:10:07.627
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you knew that, but they are brothers from Roman's their cousin.
02:10:07.867 --> 02:10:08.247
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:10:08.648 --> 02:10:08.828
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:10:09.228 --> 02:10:12.631
[UNKNOWN]: But like Stanley and they're a cheetah, they have no allegiance to each other.
02:10:12.651 --> 02:10:12.711
[UNKNOWN]: No.
02:10:12.731 --> 02:10:15.633
[UNKNOWN]: She could layer it her tomorrow and never think about her ever again in her career.
02:10:15.653 --> 02:10:17.054
[UNKNOWN]: We in no way affected by
02:10:17.881 --> 02:10:18.601
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
02:10:18.621 --> 02:10:26.724
[UNKNOWN]: The breaking up of her alliance with a Karushita, but yes, there's nothing near holding them together or where Statlander could be like, I need to give this a chance.
02:10:26.904 --> 02:10:29.725
[UNKNOWN]: No, this is a random fucking person.
02:10:30.045 --> 02:10:32.766
[UNKNOWN]: It's just been annoying to you for the last four months.
02:10:32.826 --> 02:10:40.089
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's not the fucking road warriors breaking up and having to really think about, you know, this is my partner that I've been on the road with for 15 years or whatever.
02:10:40.109 --> 02:10:40.529
[UNKNOWN]: And now I don't know.
02:10:40.549 --> 02:10:40.869
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:10:40.889 --> 02:10:44.170
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't change the course of my life in career if I attack Hawk right now.
02:10:44.790 --> 02:10:45.691
[UNKNOWN]: This is not that.
02:10:46.511 --> 02:10:47.952
[UNKNOWN]: It's a kind of cheating crystal.
02:10:47.992 --> 02:10:48.892
[UNKNOWN]: It's a terrible story.
02:10:49.372 --> 02:10:50.453
[UNKNOWN]: Awesome, it's so bad.
02:10:50.713 --> 02:10:51.693
[UNKNOWN]: It's the same thing every week.
02:10:51.733 --> 02:10:53.954
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, you know, cuts her off, speaks in Japanese.
02:10:53.974 --> 02:10:55.295
[UNKNOWN]: It's a horrible story.
02:10:55.375 --> 02:10:56.215
[UNKNOWN]: Storms off.
02:10:56.275 --> 02:10:56.596
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:10:56.616 --> 02:10:59.717
[UNKNOWN]: She storms off and leaves her higher self in the off.
02:11:00.517 --> 02:11:01.098
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:11:01.278 --> 02:11:02.378
[UNKNOWN]: Talk off.
02:11:03.519 --> 02:11:04.659
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a shit.
02:11:04.779 --> 02:11:05.860
[UNKNOWN]: It's the drizzling shit.
02:11:06.220 --> 02:11:06.620
[UNKNOWN]: Good.
02:11:06.780 --> 02:11:07.821
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
02:11:07.841 --> 02:11:10.642
[UNKNOWN]: We got some Owen Hart Cup quarter final matches.
02:11:10.662 --> 02:11:12.743
[UNKNOWN]: I got a men's Owen Hart Cup quarter final.
02:11:17.108 --> 02:11:20.109
[UNKNOWN]: be great could be really great could be gimmicked up I don't know.
02:11:22.110 --> 02:11:24.051
[UNKNOWN]: Could be interesting yeah that that is my only.
02:11:26.832 --> 02:11:31.113
[UNKNOWN]: How badly are they trying to tell the story that Will's got to kind of break it all down to build it back up again.
02:11:32.414 --> 02:11:37.316
[UNKNOWN]: Well he's going to win I mean he's going to win for the record of course he cut the very confident promo last night.
02:11:38.676 --> 02:11:40.517
[UNKNOWN]: I'm rebuilt this is the new me.
02:11:41.617 --> 02:11:43.358
[UNKNOWN]: Smell a joke and fuck off all that.
02:11:44.800 --> 02:11:50.206
[UNKNOWN]: So, but do the ops and the death riders get involved so we have any of that, you know what I mean?
02:11:50.246 --> 02:11:51.507
[UNKNOWN]: So, I don't know.
02:11:53.089 --> 02:11:53.949
[UNKNOWN]: But I should be pretty good though.
02:11:54.190 --> 02:11:55.531
[UNKNOWN]: Ben, do you know versus Swerve?
02:11:55.611 --> 02:11:58.334
[UNKNOWN]: This is also a men's Owen Hart Cup quarter final.
02:11:58.354 --> 02:12:03.339
[UNKNOWN]: They've been trying to make this thing into with, you know, people are, they're trying to get people to care about this.
02:12:04.419 --> 02:12:06.000
[UNKNOWN]: They know we really give a shit at all about us.
02:12:06.020 --> 02:12:27.572
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody gave a shit on ring of honor and then they came out on dynamite and no I so just I don't I can't tell If people just don't give a shit about bandito or people are just kind of in between on this current swirv thing or a little bit of both, but I don't know man He I talked about this on the dynamite review But nobody gave a shit about that segment last night.
02:12:27.673 --> 02:12:28.253
[UNKNOWN]: It had no heat
02:12:29.363 --> 02:12:31.384
[UNKNOWN]: And it kind of took me back how little heeded had.
02:12:32.044 --> 02:12:38.888
[UNKNOWN]: There was this big spot where Bandito got the better a swear physically and Nana did the shocked face and you were supposed to react and the commentators were reacting that way.
02:12:39.208 --> 02:12:41.209
[UNKNOWN]: And the crowd didn't react at all, nobody cared.
02:12:41.950 --> 02:12:45.111
[UNKNOWN]: So I thought this would be built around the ROH title.
02:12:45.411 --> 02:12:46.672
[UNKNOWN]: I was obviously wrong about that.
02:12:47.813 --> 02:12:49.854
[UNKNOWN]: They just obviously don't care about that belt at all.
02:12:52.515 --> 02:12:57.138
[UNKNOWN]: It's just all about swerve coming after Brody King's buddy, like that's kind of the idea here.
02:12:57.997 --> 02:13:00.760
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it was heatless last night, but who knows?
02:13:00.801 --> 02:13:02.042
[UNKNOWN]: And New York may be able to have some of you.
02:13:02.282 --> 02:13:05.546
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just, I think Bandito isn't like online.
02:13:05.566 --> 02:13:08.610
[UNKNOWN]: He's over, but I don't know if to like your normal A, W audience.
02:13:08.650 --> 02:13:09.972
[UNKNOWN]: Anybody gives a fuck about Bandito.
02:13:10.513 --> 02:13:12.435
[UNKNOWN]: And it's kind of sucks because this is the ring about her champion.
02:13:12.455 --> 02:13:14.097
[UNKNOWN]: And you should, but we always talk about how.
02:13:14.938 --> 02:13:17.440
[UNKNOWN]: ring of honor just basically does not exist in a w cannon.
02:13:17.740 --> 02:13:20.903
[UNKNOWN]: So it's very strange, but yeah, I don't know.
02:13:21.063 --> 02:13:21.363
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
02:13:21.403 --> 02:13:30.150
[UNKNOWN]: I'm staying out of it because I used to talk about this all the time on the TV reviews and everybody we get mad at me and get annoyed with me, but I'm just gonna stay out of it when it comes to Bandito.
02:13:32.915 --> 02:13:38.000
[UNKNOWN]: Athena versus Mena Shirakawa for the women's Owen Hart Cup quarter final.
02:13:38.020 --> 02:13:38.860
[UNKNOWN]: This is a man.
02:13:39.921 --> 02:13:43.945
[UNKNOWN]: Do I need a 15 minute and 42 second Athena, Mena Shirakawa match?
02:13:44.766 --> 02:13:47.568
[UNKNOWN]: Three hours in the show.
02:13:47.628 --> 02:13:50.851
[UNKNOWN]: We talk about this every time we do an instant reaction live.
02:13:51.872 --> 02:13:54.354
[UNKNOWN]: These paper views are always one match too long.
02:13:54.754 --> 02:13:55.515
[UNKNOWN]: And this is the match.
02:13:55.835 --> 02:13:56.596
[UNKNOWN]: And this is the match.
02:13:56.696 --> 02:13:59.439
[UNKNOWN]: If you remove this 20 minutes from the paper view,
02:14:00.508 --> 02:14:06.652
[UNKNOWN]: You might go from man that kind of became a slog to wow, that really felt like the right amount of time for the show.
02:14:07.052 --> 02:14:10.474
[UNKNOWN]: This match is gonna be the one that causes the show to feel like it's too long.
02:14:11.175 --> 02:14:15.917
[UNKNOWN]: There is no fucking reason to have a theme of versus minus sheer a cow on this paper view.
02:14:16.017 --> 02:14:16.898
[UNKNOWN]: None whatsoever.
02:14:17.358 --> 02:14:18.779
[UNKNOWN]: You can do this on the pre-show.
02:14:19.059 --> 02:14:20.620
[UNKNOWN]: You can do this on Dynamite next week.
02:14:20.860 --> 02:14:22.501
[UNKNOWN]: You can do it on Dynamite last night.
02:14:22.581 --> 02:14:24.202
[UNKNOWN]: You can do it on Collision next week.
02:14:24.222 --> 02:14:27.124
[UNKNOWN]: That's clear what they want here, which they feel is necessary.
02:14:27.224 --> 02:14:28.385
[UNKNOWN]: I do not think it's necessary.
02:14:29.868 --> 02:14:31.189
[UNKNOWN]: I, you know, that's probably it.
02:14:31.209 --> 02:14:32.490
[UNKNOWN]: That's it, that's 100%.
02:14:33.230 --> 02:14:33.931
[UNKNOWN]: It's probably it.
02:14:34.091 --> 02:14:36.712
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't want people to say why is there only one women's match.
02:14:36.792 --> 02:14:37.152
[UNKNOWN]: You're right.
02:14:37.613 --> 02:14:40.014
[UNKNOWN]: Because this would have been Jamie Hater versus Willow, right?
02:14:40.635 --> 02:14:41.655
[UNKNOWN]: Wasn't that the original match?
02:14:42.196 --> 02:14:43.056
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I think so.
02:14:43.376 --> 02:14:47.319
[UNKNOWN]: If I'm not mistaken, is Jamie Hater facing the wild card?
02:14:47.479 --> 02:14:49.720
[UNKNOWN]: Is that who Willow's opponent was?
02:14:50.321 --> 02:14:51.121
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes.
02:14:51.881 --> 02:14:52.622
[UNKNOWN]: Well, let me double check.
02:14:52.662 --> 02:14:54.523
[UNKNOWN]: No, Windsor Windsor is gonna face the wild card.
02:14:54.743 --> 02:14:54.923
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:14:55.444 --> 02:14:57.385
[UNKNOWN]: So whoever Willow was facing,
02:14:58.319 --> 02:15:06.093
[UNKNOWN]: I think was was going to be this match, but there's no reason you don't have to replace it with a thin reverse meanish ira gawa.
02:15:06.213 --> 02:15:07.214
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody needs a this.
02:15:07.234 --> 02:15:08.977
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a fucking paper view match.
02:15:10.320 --> 02:15:13.541
[UNKNOWN]: Rich, that match is going to come on and we're going to be like, all right, come on.
02:15:13.581 --> 02:15:22.564
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's going to go 16 51, like I said, and it's going to be a theme is going to be where long as I'm experiencing it, but like, all right, and then Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, and then Nina's going to be dancing.
02:15:22.604 --> 02:15:23.764
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to be going to be going to be dancing.
02:15:23.784 --> 02:15:34.748
[UNKNOWN]: Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan
02:15:35.975 --> 02:15:53.750
[UNKNOWN]: there's always one match that you don't need Tony Tony you don't need all these matches there's plenty of matches on here we don't need the shoehorn we're well served we're well served in the tennis center we're served very well pun absolutely intended
02:15:57.069 --> 02:16:03.992
[UNKNOWN]: Final two matches eight of a continental championship the match will have no time limits John Moxie versus Kyle O'Reilly I'm really looking for this.
02:16:04.012 --> 02:16:14.797
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's gonna be really awesome These guys left at their own devices no time limit I've seen you could tell on dynamite that that match was going to time limit to one of those ones were like the second day at the ring you're like Yes, it's going to time limit for sure
02:16:15.577 --> 02:16:18.359
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, but, uh, Moxley O'Reilly, no time limit on paper view.
02:16:18.379 --> 02:16:19.840
[UNKNOWN]: I think it could be pretty fucking awesome.
02:16:19.860 --> 02:16:22.122
[UNKNOWN]: Moxley clearly, you know, loves work with O'Reilly.
02:16:22.643 --> 02:16:24.644
[UNKNOWN]: O'Reilly usually steps up and pretty big spots too.
02:16:24.684 --> 02:16:25.364
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm looking for this.
02:16:25.385 --> 02:16:27.086
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's going to be a really, really, really good match.
02:16:27.126 --> 02:16:30.048
[UNKNOWN]: So, uh, something on the show that I am, uh, really.
02:16:30.388 --> 02:16:32.310
[UNKNOWN]: I think Moxley's going to ultimately get the win here.
02:16:32.390 --> 02:16:33.630
[UNKNOWN]: But, um, yeah, I don't know.
02:16:33.711 --> 02:16:35.312
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's not impossible to O'Reilly beats him.
02:16:36.573 --> 02:16:42.177
[UNKNOWN]: Kyle tapped him twice last year and Moxley was saved by the bell last night.
02:16:42.887 --> 02:16:50.100
[UNKNOWN]: So it's a very good story of, here you have Moxley, this Continental Champion, pretty dominant at that, but this guy has his number.
02:16:51.190 --> 02:16:52.991
[UNKNOWN]: This guy has Mox figured out.
02:16:53.892 --> 02:16:57.514
[UNKNOWN]: And Mox knows he would have lost last night if not for the time limit.
02:16:57.795 --> 02:17:00.537
[UNKNOWN]: Kyle and Riley knows he would have won if not for the time limit.
02:17:00.597 --> 02:17:00.737
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
02:17:01.377 --> 02:17:08.722
[UNKNOWN]: So Mox has to figure this out and he was very manic in his promo with Renee, where he was saying that he's, I'm glad that Kyle's pushing me.
02:17:08.762 --> 02:17:13.426
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad, but he's not like he's, he's trying to convince himself that this is a good thing for him.
02:17:13.926 --> 02:17:16.048
[UNKNOWN]: But he doesn't think that he could beat this guy.
02:17:16.848 --> 02:17:27.455
[UNKNOWN]: So this is just very well done, and this is my cup of tea more so than the goofy Jericho young buck shit, or you know, the Shita Statlander garbage.
02:17:28.196 --> 02:17:29.637
[UNKNOWN]: This right here is my cup of tea.
02:17:29.777 --> 02:17:38.703
[UNKNOWN]: Very just simple and solid, pro wrestling storytelling and can moxely figure this guy out, or is he fucked without with no time limit?
02:17:38.903 --> 02:17:40.444
[UNKNOWN]: Because there's he cannot be saved.
02:17:41.491 --> 02:17:43.952
[UNKNOWN]: And so, yeah, very much looking forward to this.
02:17:44.112 --> 02:17:59.942
[UNKNOWN]: Good, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me
02:18:01.102 --> 02:18:06.403
[UNKNOWN]: I should be a lot of fun on any event, which I think has got a decent amount of hype coming around it.
02:18:06.423 --> 02:18:07.303
[UNKNOWN]: We didn't talk about the tickets.
02:18:07.343 --> 02:18:09.624
[UNKNOWN]: I know I think you touched on it at the beginning of the Thursday night.
02:18:09.644 --> 02:18:11.004
[UNKNOWN]: I'm about in the dynamite review.
02:18:11.044 --> 02:18:11.344
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:18:11.444 --> 02:18:11.564
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:18:11.584 --> 02:18:14.845
[UNKNOWN]: I listen to the whole thing, but I thought you covered it at the beginning, right?
02:18:15.325 --> 02:18:17.225
[UNKNOWN]: They got over 14,000 tickets out.
02:18:17.245 --> 02:18:23.386
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to be the second highest gate in American history for A, W. Obviously, you throw some of the international shows out.
02:18:23.766 --> 02:18:27.687
[UNKNOWN]: This will be second only to Arlington in terms of gates.
02:18:28.627 --> 02:18:42.871
[UNKNOWN]: uh... because obviously they had what twenty six thousand twenty five thousand in our linkedin whatever that was uh... paid didn't they didn't they didn't they say it were over thirty in a building but it was like twenty four paid it was like four yeah uh... twenty two twenty four somewhere that range of that
02:18:43.654 --> 02:18:46.698
[UNKNOWN]: This will have, you know, 13, 14 paid.
02:18:46.718 --> 02:18:51.323
[UNKNOWN]: They might be able to, I don't know how many more people they could squeeze in that tennis building right now.
02:18:51.363 --> 02:18:53.526
[UNKNOWN]: They've got over 14,000 tickets distributed.
02:18:54.166 --> 02:18:57.831
[UNKNOWN]: So the show is gonna be a massive success from a business standpoint.
02:19:00.458 --> 02:19:05.639
[UNKNOWN]: And we'll see what the paper view buys if that comes out, you know, positive as well.
02:19:05.659 --> 02:19:10.440
[UNKNOWN]: I would suspect it would, I think people are really buying into the Harris stipulation for MJF.
02:19:10.460 --> 02:19:12.040
[UNKNOWN]: I think he has effectively gotten that number.
02:19:12.060 --> 02:19:12.180
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:19:12.460 --> 02:19:12.600
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:19:12.640 --> 02:19:12.860
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:19:13.920 --> 02:19:22.662
[UNKNOWN]: And it's just one of those things in Pro Wrestling where you have to accept that within the K-fabe of Pro Wrestling, losing your hair is just the ultimate humiliation.
02:19:23.122 --> 02:19:28.203
[UNKNOWN]: And obviously they've gotten that over in Mexico for decades upon decades and it works there.
02:19:29.023 --> 02:19:32.444
[UNKNOWN]: America's hit or miss it because I think it's done for comedy too often.
02:19:32.804 --> 02:19:57.432
[UNKNOWN]: I would say right now in America they've got it over as a big deal but they've got it over as a big deal as like fans are going to chant ball then laugh at the guy as opposed to like there's a little it's interesting in Mexico it feels more like a humiliation and in past times in America it has been humiliation but I think honestly more times in America it's probably just been played for life comedy yeah it's an undercard thing is opposed to the main event of a fucking anniversary show in a
02:19:58.932 --> 02:20:00.093
[UNKNOWN]: This one they've gotten over.
02:20:00.653 --> 02:20:15.000
[UNKNOWN]: Now, there's a dose of comedy involved with MJF's, the stuff he's doing on social media and making fun of him going to turkey and all of those things, but they've gotten it over, you know, they've gotten the step over.
02:20:16.135 --> 02:20:20.136
[UNKNOWN]: At one point, I thought this is with 100% B&MJF title win.
02:20:20.996 --> 02:20:22.477
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not at 100% anymore.
02:20:23.417 --> 02:20:26.638
[UNKNOWN]: I do think there's a chance that he gets to head shaved.
02:20:27.178 --> 02:20:29.058
[UNKNOWN]: I still think he should be a heavy favorite.
02:20:30.059 --> 02:20:33.479
[UNKNOWN]: I just, you know, if you asked me a couple of weeks ago, I'd say he's 100% winning it back.
02:20:34.540 --> 02:20:36.260
[UNKNOWN]: I'd be more like 80% right now.
02:20:37.541 --> 02:20:43.082
[UNKNOWN]: And I've enjoyed the Derby title reign, but I'm also ready for it to end.
02:20:43.663 --> 02:20:46.645
[UNKNOWN]: I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I
02:20:58.260 --> 02:21:13.329
[UNKNOWN]: you'll tell the fences and it like I don't know that like right now it's coming in guys right right now it's been great like make no question about it it's been awesome like every single week he goes out there well not even every every single show he goes out there and he wrestlers as often as a great match whatever I'm not complaining about any of that at all
02:21:13.869 --> 02:21:17.434
[UNKNOWN]: But you want to have the title switch happen at the apex of that and not at all.
02:21:17.534 --> 02:21:17.874
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:21:17.974 --> 02:21:21.138
[UNKNOWN]: We're, you know, God is it for bin doors and June.
02:21:21.158 --> 02:21:21.819
[UNKNOWN]: We said, Oh, God.
02:21:21.839 --> 02:21:25.644
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I don't know that we were going to get that way with Darby owns title reign, but you want to you.
02:21:25.965 --> 02:21:27.186
[UNKNOWN]: And that's the art of wrestling right there.
02:21:27.206 --> 02:21:30.270
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why, you know, bookers get paid the big bucks is when do.
02:21:31.131 --> 02:21:50.203
[UNKNOWN]: when is it at its apex that's when you should end it not not okay it's it's high and over here but like we can wait two more weeks or three more weeks or four more weeks or five more and you do you run the risk of waiting too long and I do think that maybe we're right at the point where everybody really appreciates the starby title went rain everybody has to have a lot of fun with it there's been a lot of really good matches
02:21:50.963 --> 02:22:13.551
[UNKNOWN]: but let's okay we know that it's kind of this diversion and let's get on with what we're going to do because you have forbidden or coming up and yet that's whatever but you have one way coming up and I think that's where you we really need to start establishing what's going to be happening at Wembley who are some of the top matches are because you got to get people in that building you got to start selling some tickets to that so that's why I do wonder if it is now time to to go to MJF and then start really
02:22:14.251 --> 02:22:30.221
[UNKNOWN]: Put in the science together of, okay, it's going to be M. J. Aversa's will or it's going to be M. J. Aversa's whoever in, you know, the main event of Wembley, I think I want to start, and now you're not going to know that main event for quite a while, because obviously you got the, but you want to start hint, you want to let the fans know that, okay, with a ticket buying fan.
02:22:31.462 --> 02:22:37.567
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna probably assume that I'm gonna get to MJF versus this guy in the main event for this title, whatever you want to start getting to that level.
02:22:37.607 --> 02:22:39.168
[UNKNOWN]: It's at some point pretty soon.
02:22:39.588 --> 02:22:42.951
[UNKNOWN]: And I think the Darby thing we all recognize is kind of a distraction.
02:22:43.571 --> 02:22:46.974
[UNKNOWN]: I can't imagine most people think that Darby is going to go into Wembley as Champion.
02:22:47.154 --> 02:22:47.514
[UNKNOWN]: Who knows?
02:22:48.055 --> 02:22:48.495
[UNKNOWN]: Who knows?
02:22:48.555 --> 02:22:49.376
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't.
02:22:49.396 --> 02:22:50.016
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
02:22:50.036 --> 02:22:51.637
[UNKNOWN]: I think we're right at that point.
02:22:51.657 --> 02:22:58.463
[UNKNOWN]: We're right at the point where I think I'm ready to move it off of him, but look, if they have a good story to tell, and MJF's want to lose his hair, I'd be a...
02:22:59.068 --> 02:23:01.669
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'd be a monumental moment, a really cool win for Darby.
02:23:01.689 --> 02:23:02.809
[UNKNOWN]: So I wouldn't hate that.
02:23:02.889 --> 02:23:03.489
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't know.
02:23:03.930 --> 02:23:05.830
[UNKNOWN]: I think the time is right to move that title back to MJF.
02:23:06.510 --> 02:23:07.611
[UNKNOWN]: I think the story is right there.
02:23:07.671 --> 02:23:10.092
[UNKNOWN]: Derby is worn out from being a fighting champion.
02:23:10.652 --> 02:23:19.275
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, and he just can't overcome the attrition on top of the fact that MJF will obviously do something to ferious on top of that.
02:23:20.375 --> 02:23:23.796
[UNKNOWN]: And he gets his title back and avoids losing his hair.
02:23:24.296 --> 02:23:27.858
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm a little less certain now.
02:23:30.267 --> 02:23:34.269
[UNKNOWN]: betting odds, MJF's favorite, but he's only two to one.
02:23:34.649 --> 02:23:35.890
[UNKNOWN]: He's minus 200.
02:23:36.150 --> 02:23:36.510
[UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
02:23:36.570 --> 02:23:38.311
[UNKNOWN]: And Derby's plus 150.
02:23:39.412 --> 02:23:40.833
[UNKNOWN]: Those are slim odds.
02:23:41.913 --> 02:23:44.055
[UNKNOWN]: I thought MJF would be like minus a thousand.
02:23:45.695 --> 02:23:49.057
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, I don't know.
02:23:52.279 --> 02:23:54.420
[UNKNOWN]: I've, they've got the same doubts that I have.
02:24:01.312 --> 02:24:05.094
[UNKNOWN]: As I said, I think we've peaked on the Dorby fighting champion thing.
02:24:06.314 --> 02:24:10.175
[UNKNOWN]: It's, you know, who are we going to send out?
02:24:10.195 --> 02:24:11.516
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to send Ace Austin out there.
02:24:11.536 --> 02:24:12.596
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we're running out of people.
02:24:12.937 --> 02:24:13.137
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:24:13.577 --> 02:24:15.678
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, well, this is a good defend against.
02:24:16.218 --> 02:24:18.539
[UNKNOWN]: Are we going to have a run through the entire fucking roster?
02:24:18.599 --> 02:24:21.360
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he's had seven or eight of these title defenses already.
02:24:22.133 --> 02:24:22.954
[UNKNOWN]: I just think it's time.
02:24:22.994 --> 02:24:25.696
[UNKNOWN]: It is time for the Captain Sean Dean to get a chance.
02:24:25.736 --> 02:24:27.337
[UNKNOWN]: He has been asking for a while, so.
02:24:27.957 --> 02:24:33.201
[UNKNOWN]: It's, um, I think it's just, it's time to get back on track with the serious business of the company.
02:24:34.142 --> 02:24:45.410
[UNKNOWN]: And that means putting the title back on MJF, but, um, they've been real tricky with this belt over the last year or so with, um, decisions that you don't see coming, so I don't know.
02:24:46.711 --> 02:24:47.111
[UNKNOWN]: I like that.
02:24:47.191 --> 02:24:49.193
[UNKNOWN]: I, there's a fun aspect to that that.
02:24:50.497 --> 02:25:02.690
[UNKNOWN]: I would love to come on here and say, yeah, 100% MJF's gonna win, but I don't, I don't think it's 100% and I think that's interesting, and that's fun to me that I don't really, that I'm not 100% there.
02:25:03.010 --> 02:25:11.800
[UNKNOWN]: I think I'm probably, if I was a betting man, if I had to bet, I would say I'm JF is gonna win, but I, yeah, two to one, that's about where I'm at right now, it's like,
02:25:13.072 --> 02:25:19.776
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think I'm Jeff, he's going to win, but I think there's definitely a possibility to every once in a while, and I'm Jeff, it's his head shaved.
02:25:20.056 --> 02:25:27.179
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I want MJF to win really just so Roosh doesn't get his title shot.
02:25:27.200 --> 02:25:27.660
[UNKNOWN]: Poor guy.
02:25:28.220 --> 02:25:31.582
[UNKNOWN]: It's finally, he's finally moved up the imaginary rankings.
02:25:32.182 --> 02:25:32.802
[UNKNOWN]: It's his time.
02:25:33.023 --> 02:25:34.984
[UNKNOWN]: Did you know he won again on ROH tonight?
02:25:35.564 --> 02:25:35.844
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:25:36.604 --> 02:25:37.425
[UNKNOWN]: Did he cut the promo?
02:25:38.391 --> 02:25:42.372
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, he said, if you measure the ball, you get the horns.
02:25:42.812 --> 02:25:44.193
[UNKNOWN]: He turns at the horns.
02:25:44.233 --> 02:25:44.853
[UNKNOWN]: He horns.
02:25:45.473 --> 02:25:45.993
[UNKNOWN]: He said it.
02:25:47.233 --> 02:25:47.793
[UNKNOWN]: We beat him.
02:25:47.994 --> 02:25:49.034
[UNKNOWN]: Who did beat him, our wage?
02:25:50.534 --> 02:25:53.335
[UNKNOWN]: Um, you expect me to know that information?
02:25:53.395 --> 02:25:54.295
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I thought you were watching.
02:25:54.355 --> 02:25:55.476
[UNKNOWN]: I thought you were locked in.
02:25:55.516 --> 02:26:00.957
[UNKNOWN]: No, I saw the the tweets that he was a ring of honor here.
02:26:02.057 --> 02:26:03.320
[UNKNOWN]: that he was in action tonight.
02:26:03.380 --> 02:26:05.866
[UNKNOWN]: Ryan O'Neill, he'd be Ryan O'Neill.
02:26:05.886 --> 02:26:07.830
[UNKNOWN]: Another top contender, he'd be out another.
02:26:08.391 --> 02:26:09.634
[UNKNOWN]: Take that Ryan O'Neill.
02:26:10.366 --> 02:26:11.026
[UNKNOWN]: top contender.
02:26:11.307 --> 02:26:13.588
[UNKNOWN]: Now, first of all, let it, let it, okay.
02:26:14.208 --> 02:26:16.890
[UNKNOWN]: Should this man even be in position for a title shot?
02:26:17.090 --> 02:26:17.790
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
02:26:17.830 --> 02:26:18.711
[UNKNOWN]: He's being okay.
02:26:18.731 --> 02:26:20.932
[UNKNOWN]: He's being at a priest, which okay, whatever.
02:26:21.312 --> 02:26:28.756
[UNKNOWN]: No, garbage, Stephen Fuerte, Mani Lowe, L-S-G-Rido Neal and TJ Crawford.
02:26:28.816 --> 02:26:29.057
[UNKNOWN]: No.
02:26:29.697 --> 02:26:30.017
[UNKNOWN]: No.
02:26:30.417 --> 02:26:31.378
[UNKNOWN]: Dante Leon?
02:26:31.498 --> 02:26:31.718
[UNKNOWN]: No.
02:26:31.878 --> 02:26:32.598
[UNKNOWN]: Anthony Bowens?
02:26:32.659 --> 02:26:32.879
[UNKNOWN]: No.
02:26:33.019 --> 02:26:33.599
[UNKNOWN]: What are we doing here?
02:26:35.420 --> 02:26:38.602
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I don't, I don't think the man deserves a title shot if we're being honest.
02:26:41.126 --> 02:26:42.467
[UNKNOWN]: I want this to go on forever.
02:26:42.807 --> 02:26:45.008
[UNKNOWN]: I want MJF to win the title on Sunday.
02:26:45.889 --> 02:26:49.011
[UNKNOWN]: And then, Rouge to a pro-chairman go, you mess with you, boy, you'll get the horns.
02:26:49.891 --> 02:26:52.353
[UNKNOWN]: And MJF to say, I didn't promise you why didn't they get at it?
02:26:52.373 --> 02:26:52.913
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, who are you?
02:26:53.834 --> 02:26:54.034
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
02:26:54.694 --> 02:26:55.255
[UNKNOWN]: Hit the bricks.
02:26:55.655 --> 02:26:57.636
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you've beaten TJ Crawford to ruin all of this.
02:26:57.656 --> 02:26:59.377
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you know, you know, you've beaten TJ Crawford to ruin all of this.
02:26:59.397 --> 02:27:00.198
[UNKNOWN]: I can't.
02:27:00.218 --> 02:27:06.862
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and then just for this to go on, just keep eating jobbers, keep running those pre-tapes with Rouge, and he never gets this title shot.
02:27:06.982 --> 02:27:08.063
[UNKNOWN]: I think that would be very funny.
02:27:10.731 --> 02:27:14.414
[UNKNOWN]: This was the thing that like when when people didn't understand the rankings.
02:27:15.075 --> 02:27:15.255
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:27:15.955 --> 02:27:17.156
[UNKNOWN]: This was one of the key things.
02:27:17.176 --> 02:27:18.858
[UNKNOWN]: Like a guy would win a bunch of matches.
02:27:18.878 --> 02:27:20.900
[UNKNOWN]: And they'd be like, oh, you want shepherd matches in a row?
02:27:20.920 --> 02:27:21.920
[UNKNOWN]: Why is he not getting a title shot?
02:27:21.940 --> 02:27:24.362
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, well, because he's beating many low in L.S.G or whatever.
02:27:24.643 --> 02:27:25.804
[UNKNOWN]: Because he's people don't watch sports.
02:27:25.824 --> 02:27:28.746
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, yeah, you can have teams that are undefeated in college football.
02:27:29.427 --> 02:27:30.948
[UNKNOWN]: But they're facing a bunch of goobers.
02:27:30.988 --> 02:27:33.270
[UNKNOWN]: Then, no, they're not going to move up the ladder that quickly.
02:27:33.290 --> 02:27:38.434
[UNKNOWN]: Just because they've won seven games in a row when it's all been, you know, fuck, Miami, Ohio in college basketball this year.
02:27:38.474 --> 02:27:39.175
[UNKNOWN]: Perfect example of.
02:27:40.110 --> 02:28:05.510
[UNKNOWN]: undefeated season and it was like, yeah, but a bunch of fucking jobpers you guys face like incarnate world and a bunch of these other like hang around schools now you don't get to fucking be the number one team in the nation because you're 33 and all or whatever the fuck but people couldn't understand that they didn't watch a real sport so yeah, cause a lot of issues at the time so yeah, I think you need he's got to take on better opponents he's got to tell the booking committee the booking office like look
02:28:06.457 --> 02:28:13.886
[UNKNOWN]: Do I love running through Steven Forte in a minute, 39, I do, but like, I need, you know, moving up the ladder a little bit here.
02:28:14.046 --> 02:28:18.130
[UNKNOWN]: Let's, let's, yeah, get me in there with a speedball Mike Bailey.
02:28:18.191 --> 02:28:24.758
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, right, right, if I, and then if I beat speedball, then we could start talking, but yeah, right now I, fuck, right on Neil, I mean, come on.
02:28:27.725 --> 02:28:32.492
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think MJF win, and I think Rush will not be getting his title shot.
02:28:32.592 --> 02:28:34.976
[UNKNOWN]: Those burns have definitely not be getting their burns.
02:28:35.036 --> 02:28:35.918
[UNKNOWN]: And not be getting their burns.
02:28:37.718 --> 02:28:38.638
[UNKNOWN]: So that is double or nothing.
02:28:38.738 --> 02:28:45.720
[UNKNOWN]: Again as we said, uh, Instruction Live coming up this Sunday following the show, $10 to your flagship Patreon.com.
02:28:45.800 --> 02:28:51.062
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's get to, uh, tell you, two more topics to talk about here tonight on the show.
02:28:51.162 --> 02:28:51.802
[UNKNOWN]: Which way do you want to go?
02:28:51.822 --> 02:28:53.322
[UNKNOWN]: Do you want to talk about the champion carnival?
02:28:53.662 --> 02:28:55.403
[UNKNOWN]: Or you want to talk about ring of honor, supercarvans.
02:28:55.543 --> 02:28:56.163
[UNKNOWN]: Do the ring of honor.
02:28:56.363 --> 02:28:58.964
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's talk about ring of honor, supercarvans.
02:28:58.984 --> 02:29:03.685
[UNKNOWN]: Which, uh, I will say I thought this show was the fucking shit.
02:29:03.805 --> 02:29:05.466
[UNKNOWN]: This show sucked.
02:29:06.566 --> 02:29:10.708
[UNKNOWN]: I hid, super card of honor, 2026, hated it.
02:29:11.288 --> 02:29:11.608
[UNKNOWN]: Really?
02:29:12.008 --> 02:29:15.170
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was a terrible show, boring as fuck.
02:29:16.670 --> 02:29:19.091
[UNKNOWN]: Three pure rules matches that were all boring as hell.
02:29:19.151 --> 02:29:20.872
[UNKNOWN]: A crowd that didn't care about anybody.
02:29:20.892 --> 02:29:29.555
[UNKNOWN]: An R-Wage World title match that went way too long, and a fucking plunder filled, annoyingly long women's survival of the fittest main event.
02:29:29.675 --> 02:29:30.756
[UNKNOWN]: I did not like to show it all.
02:29:32.846 --> 02:29:34.227
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this show was not good.
02:29:35.948 --> 02:29:37.069
[UNKNOWN]: Very boring show.
02:29:38.030 --> 02:29:40.232
[UNKNOWN]: Heatless, and why would it have any heat?
02:29:40.392 --> 02:29:42.633
[UNKNOWN]: Because nobody cares about her watches our age.
02:29:43.974 --> 02:29:46.336
[UNKNOWN]: The three pure rules matches was just too much.
02:29:47.797 --> 02:29:48.578
[UNKNOWN]: It's just too much.
02:29:49.819 --> 02:29:52.441
[UNKNOWN]: The women's pure title first of all doesn't even need to exist.
02:29:54.044 --> 02:29:58.326
[UNKNOWN]: But it's just there to give Deanna Paraza something to do.
02:29:58.406 --> 02:29:59.907
[UNKNOWN]: That's what Ring of Honor is right now.
02:29:59.927 --> 02:30:03.429
[UNKNOWN]: It's like a show for people that Tony doesn't want to fire.
02:30:04.649 --> 02:30:06.210
[UNKNOWN]: So we just stuff some on Ring of Honor.
02:30:07.391 --> 02:30:09.212
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's up and down this card.
02:30:10.653 --> 02:30:18.036
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I talked a lot about what is our wage and who's it for when I did the previews behind the paywall.
02:30:18.056 --> 02:30:19.117
[UNKNOWN]: I talked about it a lot.
02:30:20.157 --> 02:30:21.457
[UNKNOWN]: They don't promote the shows.
02:30:22.318 --> 02:30:24.479
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't talk about these shows at all on TV.
02:30:25.239 --> 02:30:27.039
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't give anybody any promo time.
02:30:27.059 --> 02:30:28.940
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't build any of the matches on TV.
02:30:30.241 --> 02:30:33.082
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like, you're not even trying to sell the show.
02:30:34.722 --> 02:30:42.065
[UNKNOWN]: And nobody watches the dopey TV but on the watch our way or the ROH wrestling.com, whatever the fuck it's called.
02:30:42.925 --> 02:30:44.986
[UNKNOWN]: So as a result, none of the matches have any heat.
02:30:46.330 --> 02:30:51.412
[UNKNOWN]: You know, yet 1,300 people there who bought tickets, I bet you most of them didn't know what matches were going to be on the show.
02:30:51.452 --> 02:30:54.174
[UNKNOWN]: They just came to watch a wrestling show.
02:30:54.654 --> 02:30:58.456
[UNKNOWN]: So therefore, nothing at he, because nobody was familiar with any of the builds.
02:30:59.036 --> 02:31:01.257
[UNKNOWN]: Some of the matches didn't have a build to begin with.
02:31:02.138 --> 02:31:03.939
[UNKNOWN]: Some of the matches weren't made until the night before.
02:31:05.579 --> 02:31:08.521
[UNKNOWN]: And then the matches just weren't very good.
02:31:08.681 --> 02:31:08.881
[UNKNOWN]: No.
02:31:09.793 --> 02:31:33.732
[UNKNOWN]: That's the other thing like lazy work and just a mundane goal lazy don't work the whole night nothing was but was particularly bad but nothing was all that was very good either it's just dull you know and it's just this um you know by far at least interesting of the ROH paper views since Tony has taken over and um
02:31:35.250 --> 02:31:36.051
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't know.
02:31:36.131 --> 02:31:40.594
[UNKNOWN]: I don't understand what you know where we're going with this, what the point of it is.
02:31:42.936 --> 02:31:53.304
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it felt they spent more time building to collision the next night than they did building anything moving forward for ROH.
02:31:54.084 --> 02:31:59.028
[UNKNOWN]: It seemed like after every match we were doing a backstage promo with somebody challenging somebody for collision.
02:32:00.309 --> 02:32:00.549
[UNKNOWN]: I mean,
02:32:04.356 --> 02:32:06.799
[UNKNOWN]: If you're enough of a sicko to be watching R.O.H.
02:32:06.859 --> 02:32:11.744
[UNKNOWN]: Super Card of Honor on Friday night, chances are you're already going to be watching a lot of things.
02:32:11.844 --> 02:32:14.206
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're probably not one who's not an official.
02:32:14.226 --> 02:32:17.189
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe I will stay home on Saturday and watch Coalition.
02:32:17.209 --> 02:32:20.032
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you're home watching, bring a boner on Friday night.
02:32:20.312 --> 02:32:21.894
[UNKNOWN]: You're probably staying home for a long time.
02:32:23.075 --> 02:32:26.017
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how hard you had to sell collision to these views.
02:32:26.058 --> 02:32:26.378
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:32:26.398 --> 02:32:28.299
[UNKNOWN]: Well, honey, we don't have plants for tomorrow night.
02:32:28.319 --> 02:32:28.660
[UNKNOWN]: Do we?
02:32:28.780 --> 02:32:29.720
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
02:32:29.740 --> 02:32:30.461
[UNKNOWN]: Good.
02:32:30.481 --> 02:32:31.222
[UNKNOWN]: Watch collision.
02:32:31.262 --> 02:32:32.743
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see there.
02:32:33.063 --> 02:32:35.545
[UNKNOWN]: Really good segment here with these two lads.
02:32:35.585 --> 02:32:36.826
[UNKNOWN]: I got to make sure I'm home for this.
02:32:36.866 --> 02:32:37.767
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:32:37.827 --> 02:32:38.327
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:32:38.347 --> 02:32:40.229
[UNKNOWN]: But they spent so much time building collision.
02:32:40.909 --> 02:32:42.230
[UNKNOWN]: There was no heat for anything.
02:32:43.391 --> 02:32:49.056
[UNKNOWN]: They plugged collision more on this paper view than the paper view was plugged on their TV.
02:32:50.013 --> 02:32:51.654
[UNKNOWN]: without, like, without question.
02:32:52.034 --> 02:32:56.396
[UNKNOWN]: They did more to build collision here than any of these matches were built on the actual TV.
02:32:57.236 --> 02:32:59.898
[UNKNOWN]: And then none of the matches were really any good and there was no heat.
02:32:59.918 --> 02:33:01.659
[UNKNOWN]: And it was just a very boring show.
02:33:02.519 --> 02:33:03.820
[UNKNOWN]: Just extremely boring.
02:33:05.060 --> 02:33:06.921
[UNKNOWN]: So, I don't know.
02:33:06.961 --> 02:33:12.143
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, how can you, did you come out of this, think, and man, I need more R or H in my life?
02:33:12.384 --> 02:33:13.144
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no.
02:33:13.204 --> 02:33:14.004
[UNKNOWN]: No, no.
02:33:14.144 --> 02:33:19.087
[UNKNOWN]: I basically, I'm at a point now where, and I did a study and I'm gonna do this and then we'll talk about the show.
02:33:20.139 --> 02:33:20.946
[UNKNOWN]: I want to look at.
02:33:22.605 --> 02:33:50.328
[UNKNOWN]: because I said like ring of honor is basically just a what it would it should be in some of our heads I think we think of ring of honor is like a developmental company for a do you know they bring they put people down there and they they they you know season them and then they they move up and they're ready for a do you know do that like you get you basically get put in ring of honor it's this land of misfit toys people that totally doesn't want to fire but he likes or enough people like so he doesn't want to send him pack and whatever so just stuff some in ring of honor endlessly but this roster is old as fuck
02:33:50.668 --> 02:33:53.249
[UNKNOWN]: And you might not realize it until you really break it down.
02:33:53.269 --> 02:33:55.330
[UNKNOWN]: But here I did it for you.
02:33:55.350 --> 02:33:57.690
[UNKNOWN]: So Nigel McGinn is now, that's fine.
02:33:57.710 --> 02:33:58.491
[UNKNOWN]: Like Nigel is whatever.
02:33:58.511 --> 02:34:00.491
[UNKNOWN]: He's 50 years old on that, whatever.
02:34:00.511 --> 02:34:01.852
[UNKNOWN]: That I don't really count that.
02:34:01.932 --> 02:34:03.252
[UNKNOWN]: Are timer, yeah, it's fine.
02:34:03.272 --> 02:34:05.893
[UNKNOWN]: Commentator, Josh Woods is 36.
02:34:06.113 --> 02:34:09.014
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, what are we doing with Josh Woods here?
02:34:09.094 --> 02:34:09.655
[UNKNOWN]: We're good, right?
02:34:09.715 --> 02:34:10.135
[UNKNOWN]: Like, come on.
02:34:10.655 --> 02:34:12.456
[UNKNOWN]: Red Velvet is 34 years old.
02:34:13.056 --> 02:34:13.256
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
02:34:14.456 --> 02:34:15.837
[UNKNOWN]: Viva Van is 33 years old.
02:34:18.395 --> 02:34:32.602
[UNKNOWN]: f***ing sucks, terrible, he's pretty bad, she's bad, he's pretty bad, he's pretty bad, air foxes 38, but he's a spray 38, he's good as he ever was, it's fine, Leo Rush is actually 31 now, I can't believe we've been doing the Leo Rush is so young for so long, the man is actually 31 now.
02:34:34.048 --> 02:34:36.109
[UNKNOWN]: and he's doing the black hard thing, and I got no time for any of that.
02:34:36.650 --> 02:34:38.811
[UNKNOWN]: Diana Parazo is 31 years old.
02:34:39.692 --> 02:34:40.552
[UNKNOWN]: Diamonte is 34.
02:34:40.592 --> 02:34:43.134
[UNKNOWN]: Lee Murray, already is 30.
02:34:43.154 --> 02:34:45.535
[UNKNOWN]: If you're noticing, yes, nobody isn't in the 20s yet.
02:34:45.996 --> 02:34:47.757
[UNKNOWN]: Ace Dawson's are first guys in his 20s.
02:34:47.797 --> 02:34:48.537
[UNKNOWN]: He's 29.
02:34:49.298 --> 02:34:50.218
[UNKNOWN]: Dalton Castle's 40.
02:34:51.279 --> 02:34:54.361
[UNKNOWN]: Truth, mag number, whatever the fuck is, 40.
02:34:54.862 --> 02:34:56.463
[UNKNOWN]: Turbo Floyd is 37.
02:34:57.084 --> 02:34:59.966
[UNKNOWN]: Carly Brav like, don't have an age for him, but I know he's not 24 years old.
02:34:59.986 --> 02:35:01.167
[UNKNOWN]: I believe he's in his late 30s.
02:35:02.087 --> 02:35:03.528
[UNKNOWN]: Shane Taylor is 40 years old.
02:35:03.869 --> 02:35:04.909
[UNKNOWN]: Sean Deena is 40.
02:35:05.310 --> 02:35:06.691
[UNKNOWN]: Mark Davis is 35.
02:35:07.291 --> 02:35:08.272
[UNKNOWN]: She'll was 22.
02:35:08.392 --> 02:35:13.836
[UNKNOWN]: She'll was the youngest man on the, I think he was the youngest, yeah, he's the youngest guy on the show.
02:35:14.417 --> 02:35:15.437
[UNKNOWN]: Bandito's 31.
02:35:15.918 --> 02:35:16.518
[UNKNOWN]: Blake Christians 28.
02:35:16.558 --> 02:35:17.779
[UNKNOWN]: Athena is 37 years old.
02:35:20.606 --> 02:35:24.090
[UNKNOWN]: Billy Starks is 21, but no years are gonna make it right there.
02:35:24.631 --> 02:35:25.432
[UNKNOWN]: My world's 23.
02:35:25.492 --> 02:35:27.674
[UNKNOWN]: The women's match actually had some young wrestlers.
02:35:28.135 --> 02:35:28.795
[UNKNOWN]: I'll give him credit there.
02:35:29.116 --> 02:35:30.918
[UNKNOWN]: Trisha Dora is 37 years old.
02:35:31.458 --> 02:35:31.679
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:35:32.500 --> 02:35:35.283
[UNKNOWN]: Yuka Sakazaki is 33 and Zeta Steel is 22.
02:35:35.823 --> 02:35:39.488
[UNKNOWN]: Your point here is, this is not a developmental brand.
02:35:39.528 --> 02:35:39.628
[UNKNOWN]: No.
02:35:40.667 --> 02:35:46.270
[UNKNOWN]: This is just the roster of wrestlers who are like, in their primes or slightly past their primes.
02:35:46.531 --> 02:35:48.772
[UNKNOWN]: But are not good enough, or Tony doesn't like them.
02:35:48.792 --> 02:35:50.233
[UNKNOWN]: It's Tony doesn't want to put on TV.
02:35:50.253 --> 02:35:50.413
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:35:50.493 --> 02:35:51.293
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:35:51.393 --> 02:35:59.438
[UNKNOWN]: This isn't ROH isn't this bastion of people in their mid 20s, who Tony is letting cook before he brings them up to the main roster.
02:35:59.518 --> 02:36:00.399
[UNKNOWN]: That's not what's happened.
02:36:00.419 --> 02:36:00.539
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:36:00.559 --> 02:36:03.721
[UNKNOWN]: It's not Tommy Billington isn't like a featured act in Ring of Honor.
02:36:03.741 --> 02:36:05.442
[UNKNOWN]: That's win the world, the world title or whatever.
02:36:05.682 --> 02:36:06.923
[UNKNOWN]: If that was happening, I'd tell you, yes.
02:36:07.383 --> 02:36:08.143
[UNKNOWN]: We're definitely doing that.
02:36:08.163 --> 02:36:11.245
[UNKNOWN]: We're definitely, you know, building up the next generation.
02:36:11.285 --> 02:36:11.865
[UNKNOWN]: We're not doing it.
02:36:12.446 --> 02:36:17.228
[UNKNOWN]: We have Josh Woods and Shane Taylor and Trisha Dora and these like people that are in their 40s.
02:36:18.409 --> 02:36:20.190
[UNKNOWN]: Just when he just doesn't want to be on TV.
02:36:20.450 --> 02:36:20.630
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:36:21.090 --> 02:36:23.131
[UNKNOWN]: So then if it begs the question then what is this?
02:36:23.491 --> 02:36:30.915
[UNKNOWN]: Is it just a housing area for people you have under contract who you don't want to put in AEW or you don't have a spot for an AEW
02:36:33.506 --> 02:36:38.249
[UNKNOWN]: They don't promote it super hard to wear feels like they're trying to make any money off of it.
02:36:39.030 --> 02:36:45.954
[UNKNOWN]: Because as I said, there was zero promotion for Bandito versus Blake Christian across AEW television.
02:36:46.435 --> 02:36:46.735
[UNKNOWN]: None.
02:36:47.799 --> 02:37:04.087
[UNKNOWN]: When did Blake Christian come on TV and cut a 30 second promo talking about his World Title match on the paper view and you better not miss it on watch our OH.com you can watch for just 9.99 not they didn't try to sell the fucking show at any point.
02:37:04.407 --> 02:37:10.930
[UNKNOWN]: He told me used to do that and then people dumb people made fun of him for it and then he stopped and then it's like well what are we doing here?
02:37:12.631 --> 02:37:15.352
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that's why he stopped if it is it's pretty dumb.
02:37:16.385 --> 02:37:17.827
[UNKNOWN]: to listen to bad faith critics.
02:37:18.969 --> 02:37:23.076
[UNKNOWN]: If I own this thing, I would try to get as many people to pay to watch it as I could.
02:37:23.096 --> 02:37:24.358
[UNKNOWN]: It seems like an interesting strategy.
02:37:24.418 --> 02:37:24.678
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:37:24.698 --> 02:37:26.221
[UNKNOWN]: Why do I even have to say that?
02:37:26.761 --> 02:37:28.464
[UNKNOWN]: Like they didn't promote to show it all.
02:37:30.253 --> 02:37:35.857
[UNKNOWN]: When we started previewing the show last week, you brought it up and then I did a couple different segments.
02:37:36.017 --> 02:37:42.002
[UNKNOWN]: I watched the Go Home TV, I reviewed it behind the paywall, I did a big preview of the show.
02:37:42.343 --> 02:37:56.334
[UNKNOWN]: I spent 90 minutes previewing this show behind the paywall one day last week and it's like the feedback we were getting from our listeners was that they had no idea the show was even happening.
02:37:57.520 --> 02:37:58.981
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't know the show was happening.
02:37:59.821 --> 02:38:02.203
[UNKNOWN]: These are people that watch AEW every week.
02:38:03.264 --> 02:38:08.647
[UNKNOWN]: These are people that are deep in the weeds enough to pay us to cover wrestling.
02:38:09.788 --> 02:38:10.968
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't know the show was happening.
02:38:11.148 --> 02:38:12.509
[UNKNOWN]: A large portion of our listeners.
02:38:13.230 --> 02:38:14.130
[UNKNOWN]: That's crazy.
02:38:14.631 --> 02:38:16.932
[UNKNOWN]: They're like Tony Khan's prime customer base.
02:38:17.292 --> 02:38:18.313
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't know what was happening.
02:38:18.693 --> 02:38:21.575
[UNKNOWN]: They weren't even given an opportunity to say, you know what?
02:38:22.512 --> 02:38:27.214
[UNKNOWN]: Blake Christian, undefeated in ROH, big time world title match, you know what?
02:38:27.614 --> 02:38:32.877
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to plunk down my 999, they didn't even have a chance because if it wasn't for us, they wouldn't have known the show was happening.
02:38:33.957 --> 02:38:38.319
[UNKNOWN]: And so if you're not going to put effort behind it, you're not going to try to sell the shows.
02:38:38.599 --> 02:38:43.081
[UNKNOWN]: The shows are going to be dry as a bone like this one was, what is this thing?
02:38:43.121 --> 02:38:45.583
[UNKNOWN]: If it's not the developmental, so then what the fuck is it?
02:38:45.683 --> 02:38:46.203
[UNKNOWN]: What is this?
02:38:47.605 --> 02:38:53.107
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a blob of fucking wrestlers going out there, having two and three quarter star matches.
02:38:53.327 --> 02:38:54.947
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for five hours.
02:38:55.428 --> 02:38:56.348
[UNKNOWN]: Five hours of each show.
02:38:56.368 --> 02:38:57.508
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, oh my god.
02:38:57.528 --> 02:39:00.889
[UNKNOWN]: And of course, it's a Tony Com in paperview, so it has to be fucking five hours long.
02:39:02.250 --> 02:39:07.452
[UNKNOWN]: And we talked about this the last time we talked about our OH, Tony, AEWRI, fine, whatever.
02:39:08.212 --> 02:39:10.012
[UNKNOWN]: Our OH can be two and a half hours in and out.
02:39:10.673 --> 02:39:11.693
[UNKNOWN]: No one's gonna complain.
02:39:11.873 --> 02:39:12.033
[UNKNOWN]: No.
02:39:12.953 --> 02:39:13.954
[UNKNOWN]: We're paying $9.99 for it.
02:39:15.773 --> 02:39:18.475
[UNKNOWN]: the people who have my AEW are paying nothing for it.
02:39:18.495 --> 02:39:19.977
[UNKNOWN]: It comes with a fucking service.
02:39:21.518 --> 02:39:23.439
[UNKNOWN]: Two and a half hours, bud, in and out.
02:39:23.499 --> 02:39:24.180
[UNKNOWN]: That's all we need.
02:39:26.082 --> 02:39:29.424
[UNKNOWN]: He added that six-man, don't match the show.
02:39:29.484 --> 02:39:29.925
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's nice.
02:39:29.945 --> 02:39:31.466
[UNKNOWN]: Like why?
02:39:31.486 --> 02:39:34.168
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, why did you add that?
02:39:35.089 --> 02:39:36.931
[UNKNOWN]: That was so bad, it was so long.
02:39:37.791 --> 02:39:40.934
[UNKNOWN]: Now they did a title change, and I guess that's why I put it on the show.
02:39:40.954 --> 02:39:41.875
[UNKNOWN]: 17 minutes and 46 seconds.
02:39:44.221 --> 02:39:46.202
[UNKNOWN]: But it was just a shoot in Angle with Mark Briscoe.
02:39:46.222 --> 02:39:46.603
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, really.
02:39:50.625 --> 02:39:54.428
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's like, it just didn't need to be four or five hours.
02:39:54.468 --> 02:39:55.168
[UNKNOWN]: Was it really five?
02:39:55.208 --> 02:39:56.309
[UNKNOWN]: It was three hour paper view.
02:39:56.369 --> 02:39:57.810
[UNKNOWN]: Was the pre show was only an hour, right?
02:39:57.830 --> 02:39:58.290
[UNKNOWN]: Not two hours.
02:39:58.350 --> 02:40:01.412
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think the video file was, yeah, like five forward.
02:40:01.432 --> 02:40:04.514
[UNKNOWN]: But that was with like, you know, preview shit and stuff.
02:40:04.554 --> 02:40:07.256
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, you might be an hour extra on that.
02:40:07.276 --> 02:40:07.977
[UNKNOWN]: Can we check that?
02:40:07.997 --> 02:40:09.177
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was four hours long.
02:40:09.538 --> 02:40:09.818
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:40:10.873 --> 02:40:12.075
[UNKNOWN]: Was it really five hours?
02:40:12.255 --> 02:40:12.956
[UNKNOWN]: It was five.
02:40:12.996 --> 02:40:14.899
[UNKNOWN]: If you got the zero hour, I think it was five hours.
02:40:16.461 --> 02:40:18.484
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, the main show was four hours long.
02:40:19.810 --> 02:40:20.710
[UNKNOWN]: That's diabolical.
02:40:20.730 --> 02:40:21.430
[UNKNOWN]: Did I really see this?
02:40:21.450 --> 02:40:23.211
[UNKNOWN]: Well, someone could look it up if they want, but.
02:40:23.251 --> 02:40:24.751
[UNKNOWN]: No, when I watched it.
02:40:24.771 --> 02:40:28.652
[UNKNOWN]: The match time, the longest fuck man, the Josh, the opener was 15.
02:40:29.153 --> 02:40:31.673
[UNKNOWN]: Red Velvet and VivaVan was 11, 19.
02:40:32.073 --> 02:40:34.134
[UNKNOWN]: Air Fox and Leo Rush was 15, 41.
02:40:34.534 --> 02:40:38.775
[UNKNOWN]: Deanna Pratt and by the way, there's promos happening in between all these matches with the fucking Lexi Nairberg stage.
02:40:39.195 --> 02:40:41.016
[UNKNOWN]: 13 minutes for Deanna Perez with Diamonte.
02:40:41.136 --> 02:40:44.597
[UNKNOWN]: 16 minutes for Lee Murray, Arty, A.S. Austin.
02:40:44.657 --> 02:40:46.417
[UNKNOWN]: 17, 46 for the world's six-man tag.
02:40:49.218 --> 02:40:53.000
[UNKNOWN]: Bandito Blade Christian was 26 and the survival of the fittest main event was 26.
02:40:54.840 --> 02:40:56.041
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, it was five hours.
02:40:59.102 --> 02:40:59.662
[UNKNOWN]: I just looked it up.
02:41:04.384 --> 02:41:06.585
[UNKNOWN]: It feels like too much to drink a water.
02:41:07.185 --> 02:41:11.327
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the, the, the, the, on, on, on, watch our OH.com.
02:41:11.347 --> 02:41:11.967
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, uh-huh.
02:41:12.247 --> 02:41:12.568
[UNKNOWN]: Legal.
02:41:13.628 --> 02:41:14.528
[UNKNOWN]: The legal way to view it.
02:41:16.369 --> 02:41:17.870
[UNKNOWN]: And the file is
02:41:18.947 --> 02:41:44.162
[UNKNOWN]: five hours holy shit it really is now when i put the show on to watch it on monday or whatever it was it really did i wasn't watching the clock but fuck it felt like it took all god damn day and night to get through the show so you're right it was five hours crazy there's no reason on this planet earth at an ROH show needs to be five hours long i mean it's ridiculous
02:41:45.893 --> 02:41:47.453
[UNKNOWN]: Did you even watch the pre-show?
02:41:47.753 --> 02:41:53.034
[UNKNOWN]: No, I didn't know how much time I was going to have this week to watch stuff.
02:41:53.654 --> 02:41:58.495
[UNKNOWN]: So I jumped right to the show, and then when the show was over, I was like, ah, you know what?
02:41:58.575 --> 02:42:03.756
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to, I'm going to let Joe handle Sammy government action in Shreddy and Rush for his L.S.G.
02:42:03.796 --> 02:42:08.217
[UNKNOWN]: So, no, I did not watch the show, but you can clue me in if you want.
02:42:08.737 --> 02:42:13.018
[UNKNOWN]: We're told on Friday that the show ended after midnight Eastern time.
02:42:13.645 --> 02:42:13.965
[UNKNOWN]: live.
02:42:13.985 --> 02:42:14.445
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, come on.
02:42:14.485 --> 02:42:15.526
[UNKNOWN]: It's ring of honor, man.
02:42:16.246 --> 02:42:18.627
[UNKNOWN]: Started at seven and get us out by 930.
02:42:19.327 --> 02:42:19.567
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
02:42:19.968 --> 02:42:20.728
[UNKNOWN]: That's all we need.
02:42:23.089 --> 02:42:24.430
[UNKNOWN]: Especially if it's not going to be good.
02:42:24.850 --> 02:42:25.350
[UNKNOWN]: Right now.
02:42:25.470 --> 02:42:27.271
[UNKNOWN]: I would I would just have to be good if you're going to do that.
02:42:27.911 --> 02:42:30.492
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, having to be bad and take five hours.
02:42:30.532 --> 02:42:32.033
[UNKNOWN]: That seems that seems like a bad idea.
02:42:32.173 --> 02:42:32.613
[UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't do that.
02:42:33.933 --> 02:42:37.455
[UNKNOWN]: So I really didn't like any match on this show.
02:42:39.202 --> 02:42:41.924
[UNKNOWN]: Um, some of my reviews.
02:42:43.025 --> 02:42:50.729
[UNKNOWN]: My favorite match is like the most begrudging like, like, air fox and Leo Rush is by far my favorite match of the night and I did not like it at all.
02:42:53.391 --> 02:42:58.114
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I thought that um, they did the finish with lights camera action and ready.
02:42:59.275 --> 02:43:06.159
[UNKNOWN]: Um, because they kind of broke up that tag team unceremoniously so they paid that off and he kind of
02:43:09.102 --> 02:43:12.386
[UNKNOWN]: So Leo Rush, black heart, black hand.
02:43:12.406 --> 02:43:12.866
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:43:13.347 --> 02:43:18.372
[UNKNOWN]: Lights, camera, action are gonna have a few now, I guess, because they used to be the COVID-19 team.
02:43:19.293 --> 02:43:21.215
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, the match was all right.
02:43:21.235 --> 02:43:26.180
[UNKNOWN]: Like, look, like I said, nothing was like, oh, I don't wanna say nothing.
02:43:26.200 --> 02:43:27.001
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, hold on.
02:43:27.482 --> 02:43:27.782
[UNKNOWN]: Hold on.
02:43:27.802 --> 02:43:30.485
[UNKNOWN]: But I thought Mark Davis' show while I was fine.
02:43:30.645 --> 02:43:30.825
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:43:31.702 --> 02:43:35.649
[UNKNOWN]: I thought Bandito Blake Christian was fine, uh, too long.
02:43:35.669 --> 02:43:36.150
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, too long.
02:43:36.170 --> 02:43:37.012
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, too long.
02:43:37.192 --> 02:43:38.534
[UNKNOWN]: But he had the 21plex perfectly.
02:43:38.935 --> 02:43:40.398
[UNKNOWN]: So like the bleb version again.
02:43:41.480 --> 02:43:43.864
[UNKNOWN]: It's I'm telling you it that deadlift version is the key.
02:43:45.222 --> 02:43:51.365
[UNKNOWN]: since he's been doing it with the guy flat down on the mat for whatever reason he's been doing it cleaner than when he does it when they go back.
02:43:51.385 --> 02:43:52.025
[UNKNOWN]: I thought he did the real one.
02:43:52.045 --> 02:43:53.206
[UNKNOWN]: I think he did the real one.
02:43:53.226 --> 02:43:55.066
[UNKNOWN]: The other one with Blake, and it worked out too.
02:43:55.367 --> 02:43:56.927
[UNKNOWN]: I'd have to go back, but I would never go back.
02:43:56.967 --> 02:43:59.408
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe someone would say deadlift, and I remember him doing the deadlift.
02:43:59.428 --> 02:44:02.390
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I thought he did the other one, but either way, I'm glad that that's true.
02:44:02.410 --> 02:44:03.810
[UNKNOWN]: And it's where of attack to math the words.
02:44:04.711 --> 02:44:05.651
[UNKNOWN]: Which is what I pitched.
02:44:06.371 --> 02:44:13.174
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of people thought Swarve was gonna cost him the title, and I'm like, I think they're not gonna put the title on Blake Christian, that's a bridge too far.
02:44:15.125 --> 02:44:18.748
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, why can't, why can't Swerve just attack on me after the match?
02:44:18.908 --> 02:44:20.249
[UNKNOWN]: And that's the way they did it.
02:44:20.590 --> 02:44:27.876
[UNKNOWN]: So it just, it makes the title feel even less important that Swerve has no interest in it.
02:44:27.936 --> 02:44:32.880
[UNKNOWN]: Not like, he didn't attack Bandito and say, you know what, I'm going to take this from you.
02:44:32.920 --> 02:44:36.683
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to beat you in the old and hard cut final and after that, I want to chant at your ring of eye.
02:44:36.703 --> 02:44:40.467
[UNKNOWN]: He's just like, no, I don't care about your dopey developmental title or whatever the fuck.
02:44:40.987 --> 02:44:42.288
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what are we doing?
02:44:42.348 --> 02:44:46.090
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this title is so utterly meaningless in the canon of this company.
02:44:46.331 --> 02:44:47.251
[UNKNOWN]: It's wild.
02:44:47.471 --> 02:44:50.934
[UNKNOWN]: When I thought Swerve would be going after it, people were like, wow, it's Swerve won't that.
02:44:51.014 --> 02:44:52.054
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, that's the point.
02:44:52.074 --> 02:44:53.915
[UNKNOWN]: The point is, yes, make the title matter.
02:44:54.316 --> 02:44:57.878
[UNKNOWN]: Like, give it to your guys, so that you're not thinking that anymore.
02:44:58.098 --> 02:44:58.679
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
02:44:58.699 --> 02:45:03.061
[UNKNOWN]: Like, put it on, but they just didn't have any interest in doing it.
02:45:03.201 --> 02:45:06.804
[UNKNOWN]: And I hated the main event.
02:45:10.165 --> 02:45:12.727
[UNKNOWN]: This survival of the fittest with the six women.
02:45:13.528 --> 02:45:15.550
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why they called it survival of the fittest.
02:45:15.570 --> 02:45:20.574
[UNKNOWN]: This was just another run of the mill, multi-person plunder match, where people are just using weapon.
02:45:20.594 --> 02:45:24.037
[UNKNOWN]: The great trash can, candlesticks, the whole nine yards.
02:45:24.077 --> 02:45:24.918
[UNKNOWN]: Tables.
02:45:26.379 --> 02:45:31.563
[UNKNOWN]: Yucasakazaki, just chillin' out in the corner, watching people attack each other with weapons.
02:45:33.885 --> 02:45:35.206
[UNKNOWN]: I hated this so much.
02:45:35.226 --> 02:45:35.747
[UNKNOWN]: It's so good.
02:45:37.225 --> 02:45:39.486
[UNKNOWN]: And like every Athena match, it's way too long.
02:45:39.606 --> 02:45:39.886
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:45:40.926 --> 02:45:42.967
[UNKNOWN]: Even this was way too long, even, you know.
02:45:44.127 --> 02:45:52.169
[UNKNOWN]: And I know you didn't, I watched the Go Home, the super, the super card special, whatever the fuck it was called, that they ran on Thursday night.
02:45:54.270 --> 02:46:02.513
[UNKNOWN]: You are never gonna fucking believe this, but the Go Home angle for this match was Athena bullying Billy Stark's.
02:46:02.893 --> 02:46:03.193
[UNKNOWN]: No.
02:46:04.477 --> 02:46:08.098
[UNKNOWN]: No way and and being like you're just a minion.
02:46:08.539 --> 02:46:11.820
[UNKNOWN]: You do what you're told Brahma brah like running her down.
02:46:11.860 --> 02:46:26.065
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then she leaves the scene and Billy sitting there like stewing, you know, like One of the one of these days Billy, Billy, please It's three years right Just voucher just fucking punch her already.
02:46:26.085 --> 02:46:26.765
[UNKNOWN]: What are we doing?
02:46:26.825 --> 02:46:32.227
[UNKNOWN]: You were literally a junior in high school when this started It's been like three years not one of these days.
02:46:32.408 --> 02:46:33.328
[UNKNOWN]: You're never doing it
02:46:34.739 --> 02:46:48.637
[UNKNOWN]: they're still doing this story ridiculous the go home angle for this match was a thina bullying the minion Billy starts still three years on when the first match they had Billy should have won.
02:46:49.643 --> 02:47:09.964
[UNKNOWN]: then they ran it back a year later a final battle she lost again and that was already past the peak that was already a year past the peak yes that was your past the peak we're two years more you know i think we're three or four years past the peak at point you're four wrenches you're four utterly ridiculous it's your four
02:47:13.932 --> 02:47:15.672
[UNKNOWN]: Who could possibly care?
02:47:16.653 --> 02:47:22.974
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody, you can't invent no one cares about Billy starts in Athena at this point and they're still doing it.
02:47:23.594 --> 02:47:24.794
[UNKNOWN]: God did this match suck.
02:47:25.834 --> 02:47:27.415
[UNKNOWN]: Just a six-person plunder match.
02:47:27.435 --> 02:47:28.075
[UNKNOWN]: Just a long day.
02:47:28.115 --> 02:47:29.335
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just don't need to see.
02:47:29.395 --> 02:47:33.336
[UNKNOWN]: And the silver trash can filled with junk.
02:47:33.376 --> 02:47:34.796
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, what are we fucking doing here, man?
02:47:34.836 --> 02:47:35.556
[UNKNOWN]: Everything goes.
02:47:35.576 --> 02:47:36.917
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, nobody looks good.
02:47:37.697 --> 02:47:38.417
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody like dumb.
02:47:40.097 --> 02:47:42.538
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that's the fucking side of it, yeah.
02:47:42.818 --> 02:47:43.078
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever.
02:47:43.672 --> 02:47:50.300
[UNKNOWN]: So the six man tagged that they added to the show because it always has to be at least one match too long if it's Tony gone.
02:47:51.581 --> 02:47:57.307
[UNKNOWN]: They did that so the conglomeration comes down and they cost Shane Taylor promotions the belt or whatever.
02:47:57.708 --> 02:47:59.270
[UNKNOWN]: Dalton Castle in the Outrunners win.
02:48:00.555 --> 02:48:03.837
[UNKNOWN]: And then later in the show, Shane Taylor Promotions are doing a promo in the back.
02:48:04.577 --> 02:48:07.979
[UNKNOWN]: And they're like, they want to know why the conglomeration was there to begin with.
02:48:08.339 --> 02:48:10.300
[UNKNOWN]: And I was thinking to myself, that's a good question.
02:48:10.340 --> 02:48:12.061
[UNKNOWN]: Why were they going to bring you there?
02:48:12.101 --> 02:48:13.882
[UNKNOWN]: Why was Orange Cassidy in the house, yeah?
02:48:14.082 --> 02:48:16.043
[UNKNOWN]: Why was Mark for school in Orange Cassidy?
02:48:16.063 --> 02:48:18.084
[UNKNOWN]: And these people, why were they there?
02:48:18.993 --> 02:48:24.637
[UNKNOWN]: It's a cause shape because they were building something for this they ran a fucking paper views.
02:48:24.657 --> 02:48:25.738
[UNKNOWN]: It's a go home.
02:48:26.038 --> 02:48:28.259
[UNKNOWN]: It's a go home show for collision.
02:48:29.140 --> 02:48:30.761
[UNKNOWN]: This is so ass backwards.
02:48:33.323 --> 02:48:36.165
[UNKNOWN]: For people who undoubtedly are going to watch collision anyway.
02:48:38.007 --> 02:48:46.552
[UNKNOWN]: If you're cracking your knuckles for Deanna Paraza versus Diabonte and a pure rules match on a Friday night, you are watching Collision on Saturday.
02:48:46.572 --> 02:48:50.794
[UNKNOWN]: You are at home on your couch, a Collision Sliver, it's there to appreciate it.
02:48:50.814 --> 02:48:54.096
[UNKNOWN]: About 100% of those people are watching Collision.
02:48:56.978 --> 02:48:59.559
[UNKNOWN]: Lee Moriarty, Versace Austin.
02:49:01.781 --> 02:49:03.682
[UNKNOWN]: So I liked what they did here,
02:49:04.947 --> 02:49:13.594
[UNKNOWN]: where the story was ace Austin was not an expert in the pure rules the way that Moriard is and he used up his two rope breaks real fast and they only had one left.
02:49:14.354 --> 02:49:19.098
[UNKNOWN]: And one of the times, Moriardy forced him into the ropes and forced him to use the rope break, right?
02:49:19.938 --> 02:49:23.581
[UNKNOWN]: So that was kind of the story and that's kind of how it all played out.
02:49:23.621 --> 02:49:31.007
[UNKNOWN]: Like Lee Moriardy just had more experience in the rules and that's why he beat ace Austin who I believe was previously undefeated.
02:49:32.102 --> 02:49:33.663
[UNKNOWN]: in our way, so that match was in that bad.
02:49:34.063 --> 02:49:38.967
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I can't recommend it to anybody, but it was fine.
02:49:39.667 --> 02:49:41.889
[UNKNOWN]: Of the pure rules matches, I think that was the best one.
02:49:42.369 --> 02:49:43.650
[UNKNOWN]: Probably was the best one, yeah.
02:49:43.670 --> 02:49:45.632
[UNKNOWN]: Adiana Diamante was terrible.
02:49:45.672 --> 02:49:46.933
[UNKNOWN]: They could do anything.
02:49:46.953 --> 02:49:47.213
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my God.
02:49:47.273 --> 02:49:51.016
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to reach out at the whole time and... Yeah, I look.
02:49:52.116 --> 02:49:52.537
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:49:56.284 --> 02:49:57.604
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to say anything.
02:49:58.725 --> 02:50:01.045
[UNKNOWN]: And Nigel and Josh Woods, it's like they were goofing around.
02:50:01.325 --> 02:50:02.546
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't even think they took it seriously.
02:50:02.566 --> 02:50:04.426
[UNKNOWN]: They were like, they put the commentary headsets on.
02:50:04.466 --> 02:50:05.286
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, oh my god.
02:50:05.306 --> 02:50:06.726
[UNKNOWN]: When they did that, I was like, fuck off.
02:50:06.887 --> 02:50:08.087
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that's what we're doing in the opener.
02:50:08.227 --> 02:50:14.268
[UNKNOWN]: They're grappling a little bit and the Nigel gets on the headset and he goes, oh yeah, that's just going exactly how I thought it would go.
02:50:14.308 --> 02:50:16.749
[UNKNOWN]: And then Josh Woods was like, no, it's not going how I thought it was going to go.
02:50:16.769 --> 02:50:20.270
[UNKNOWN]: And then there were three grabs that headset and goes, get in the ring guys and I'm like, what are we doing here?
02:50:20.330 --> 02:50:20.830
[UNKNOWN]: What a great.
02:50:20.870 --> 02:50:23.490
[UNKNOWN]: We're doing comedy in a pure rules in the opener.
02:50:23.630 --> 02:50:24.111
[UNKNOWN]: Open the show.
02:50:26.371 --> 02:50:32.340
[UNKNOWN]: Well, okay, you gotta sit at a side because then you were immediately treated to red velvet vs. Oh, for the army.
02:50:32.360 --> 02:50:33.061
[UNKNOWN]: We'll be right out there.
02:50:33.081 --> 02:50:33.842
[UNKNOWN]: We'll be right out there.
02:50:34.282 --> 02:50:35.424
[UNKNOWN]: Leave a van, man.
02:50:35.624 --> 02:50:36.185
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
02:50:37.598 --> 02:50:38.079
[UNKNOWN]: What are we?
02:50:38.199 --> 02:50:38.879
[UNKNOWN]: What is this?
02:50:39.059 --> 02:50:40.901
[UNKNOWN]: What are we doing here with Viva van?
02:50:40.921 --> 02:50:43.383
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, she at one point I countered it.
02:50:43.663 --> 02:50:47.766
[UNKNOWN]: It took her 12 steps to go from the middle of the ring off the ropes back to the middle of the ring again.
02:50:47.806 --> 02:50:50.969
[UNKNOWN]: That's Becky Lynch level tiptoes in the ring.
02:50:51.129 --> 02:50:52.470
[UNKNOWN]: She was so horrible.
02:50:52.811 --> 02:50:54.192
[UNKNOWN]: She moves so slow.
02:50:54.212 --> 02:50:58.055
[UNKNOWN]: Like fucking molasses in this ring awful and red velvet.
02:50:58.115 --> 02:50:59.576
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, plus her soul.
02:50:59.616 --> 02:51:01.758
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, she's not great.
02:51:03.159 --> 02:51:05.981
[UNKNOWN]: So we had Sammy challenged our B4 collision.
02:51:07.077 --> 02:51:09.460
[UNKNOWN]: We had red velvet challenge willow for collision.
02:51:10.341 --> 02:51:15.207
[UNKNOWN]: We had the conglompsTP challenge to conglomberation for collision.
02:51:15.527 --> 02:51:16.828
[UNKNOWN]: So go home show for collision.
02:51:18.550 --> 02:51:20.353
[UNKNOWN]: Now, hey, listen, the kingdom came back.
02:51:21.197 --> 02:51:21.997
[UNKNOWN]: Oh Jesus Christ.
02:51:22.017 --> 02:51:22.458
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're right.
02:51:22.478 --> 02:51:22.898
[UNKNOWN]: You're right.
02:51:22.938 --> 02:51:34.102
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I then I was compiling the disrosters way too old Listen as I was doing that all of a sudden I hear hey Melvin's and I'm like, oh no What did I look at my screen?
02:51:34.202 --> 02:51:36.203
[UNKNOWN]: There's fucking Matt David and Mike Bennett.
02:51:36.783 --> 02:51:37.603
[UNKNOWN]: Hey Melvin.
02:51:37.623 --> 02:51:48.087
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like a lord This is what is this real what we need on Reconviner is the fucking Matt Taven God damn it.
02:51:48.467 --> 02:51:49.808
[UNKNOWN]: Oh Jesus Christ well
02:51:50.168 --> 02:51:50.489
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:51:51.590 --> 02:51:52.371
[UNKNOWN]: Hey Melvin.
02:51:53.092 --> 02:51:56.636
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that's an exact quote, but I'm sure he said it.
02:51:56.756 --> 02:51:57.677
[UNKNOWN]: He had to have said it.
02:51:58.178 --> 02:51:58.919
[UNKNOWN]: He did call them.
02:51:58.979 --> 02:52:01.883
[UNKNOWN]: He did call Busta and the brain Melvin's in the blood.
02:52:01.983 --> 02:52:03.925
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, for sure.
02:52:04.245 --> 02:52:06.709
[UNKNOWN]: So, but like so, so Busta and the brains are great examples of.
02:52:07.850 --> 02:52:11.792
[UNKNOWN]: If those guys were competing with Tommy Billington for the world title, you know, all right?
02:52:12.133 --> 02:52:15.314
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, then that's now a time that leads to promotion.
02:52:15.374 --> 02:52:20.157
[UNKNOWN]: Right, I'm seeing the idea here is, okay, what do we have out of Oliver?
02:52:20.277 --> 02:52:21.458
[UNKNOWN]: What do we have out of price?
02:52:21.558 --> 02:52:22.418
[UNKNOWN]: What do we have out of Billington?
02:52:22.438 --> 02:52:27.802
[UNKNOWN]: We're gonna put these guys in singles matches that go 20 minutes so we can see how they can handle that.
02:52:27.842 --> 02:52:29.503
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, but no, we don't do that.
02:52:30.463 --> 02:52:34.064
[UNKNOWN]: price and an Oliver in tag team at we know they're good tag team wrestlers.
02:52:34.084 --> 02:52:34.565
[UNKNOWN]: They're fine.
02:52:34.745 --> 02:52:35.545
[UNKNOWN]: They can do tag team.
02:52:35.745 --> 02:52:36.625
[UNKNOWN]: They've been doing that for years.
02:52:37.145 --> 02:52:37.946
[UNKNOWN]: They can do it on a ring of honor.
02:52:37.966 --> 02:52:38.666
[UNKNOWN]: They can do it on a WWE.
02:52:38.846 --> 02:52:39.186
[UNKNOWN]: We know that.
02:52:39.526 --> 02:52:50.230
[UNKNOWN]: Billington, we see Billington priests sometimes and that's the extent that's something like if those guys were being pushed commodities on the show, whether that be good or whatever, I would at least know the concept.
02:52:50.250 --> 02:52:52.071
[UNKNOWN]: I would know what we're doing here with ring of honor.
02:52:53.248 --> 02:53:08.531
[UNKNOWN]: having Matt Haven, Michael Bennett, Bandito, and Shane Taylor and Viva van and Deanna Pratt like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
02:53:08.711 --> 02:53:33.535
[UNKNOWN]: if you don't think he's that good then what are we doing give the spot to somebody else why didn't Adam priest or Tommy Billington work this show instead of some of these you I see what you're saying it's it's definitely not a developmental promotion that's not what it is you can't call it that just look at the roster so it's just a randomist fit toys videos want to fire some great one over pretty much and then if the shows aren't going to be good then that's just forget it like
02:53:35.338 --> 02:53:36.459
[UNKNOWN]: Why would I look forward to this?
02:53:36.559 --> 02:53:37.699
[UNKNOWN]: Why would I watch it next week?
02:53:37.859 --> 02:53:39.340
[UNKNOWN]: Why would I keep my subscription going?
02:53:39.520 --> 02:53:40.841
[UNKNOWN]: Why would I do any of those things?
02:53:42.802 --> 02:53:46.804
[UNKNOWN]: You told me on this show that collisions more important than the show I was watching anyway.
02:53:47.604 --> 02:53:49.846
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, no, it just wasn't a good show.
02:53:50.566 --> 02:53:51.506
[UNKNOWN]: Very disappointing.
02:53:54.428 --> 02:54:01.952
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it doesn't bode well for, you know, it didn't seem like he's trying too hard to get a meteorite's deal either.
02:54:02.792 --> 02:54:03.733
[UNKNOWN]: That's the other weird thing.
02:54:04.743 --> 02:54:05.783
[UNKNOWN]: So it's just bizarre.
02:54:05.923 --> 02:54:06.984
[UNKNOWN]: The whole thing is strange.
02:54:07.104 --> 02:54:12.125
[UNKNOWN]: It was, this is the first time I really watched Ring of Honor show and just really felt like a sense of dread.
02:54:12.145 --> 02:54:13.025
[UNKNOWN]: He's in your time.
02:54:13.045 --> 02:54:14.666
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm like a real waste of my time.
02:54:14.726 --> 02:54:16.546
[UNKNOWN]: Because a lot of times he's done it being pretty good.
02:54:16.566 --> 02:54:18.147
[UNKNOWN]: We laugh about TV show whatever.
02:54:18.187 --> 02:54:25.869
[UNKNOWN]: But the paper, this was by far the worst paper view of the Tony Con era and just a real like, I'm wasting my time watching this.
02:54:26.109 --> 02:54:29.910
[UNKNOWN]: Like, who is this for and why am I supposed to be watching this?
02:54:30.010 --> 02:54:32.951
[UNKNOWN]: Is kind of what I felt like I was asking myself constantly throughout the show.
02:54:33.684 --> 02:54:41.350
[UNKNOWN]: And they keep putting Athena in the main events over Bandito because of this idea that she's had the title so long, but no one fucking cares in her.
02:54:42.752 --> 02:54:46.555
[UNKNOWN]: No one has given a shit about Athena's title reign for like three years.
02:54:48.536 --> 02:54:52.219
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, who talks about it at one time it had real buzz.
02:54:53.200 --> 02:54:55.142
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't have any buzz anymore, no one cares.
02:54:56.737 --> 02:54:59.924
[UNKNOWN]: There's a variety of factors for why, but no one cares.
02:55:01.046 --> 02:55:04.855
[UNKNOWN]: Just have Billy Stark's beat her already and put her on dynamite.
02:55:05.456 --> 02:55:06.077
[UNKNOWN]: What are we doing?
02:55:07.543 --> 02:55:09.344
[UNKNOWN]: And no one's gonna carry it, and that's the other problem too.
02:55:09.364 --> 02:55:16.390
[UNKNOWN]: When you make a title ring this long, it becomes more of a, okay, when are we gonna, because they had it, they had the first time, they gotta give me the title.
02:55:16.770 --> 02:55:18.772
[UNKNOWN]: Final battle, 2023 or whatever the fuck.
02:55:19.072 --> 02:55:28.720
[UNKNOWN]: Like they had it, they had it exactly at that moment where it was a long title ring, but people were accepting of the fact that Billy was gonna finally, you know, break out of the shadow and win the title, and then it didn't happen.
02:55:28.780 --> 02:55:30.861
[UNKNOWN]: And then it didn't happen either, after you could pull that tape.
02:55:31.141 --> 02:55:32.002
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what's about that.
02:55:32.022 --> 02:55:33.023
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was pretty good.
02:55:33.323 --> 02:55:46.712
[UNKNOWN]: terrible idea at the time and it worse idea a year later and now it's like leave that Athena one that final battle match and then the next year were like oh surely the okay they they missed it by a year and then she lost again worse yet if you remember after that match
02:55:47.644 --> 02:55:52.430
[UNKNOWN]: Athena stuck her hand out and Billy starts like, yeah, I am a minion and it was like, oh, okay.
02:55:52.571 --> 02:55:54.954
[UNKNOWN]: So this is just yeah, she didn't Got me.
02:55:54.974 --> 02:55:56.095
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he was pissing on me.
02:55:56.135 --> 02:55:56.696
[UNKNOWN]: I fucked this.
02:55:56.736 --> 02:56:01.122
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and now if she does and now if she does eventually beat her, it's not gonna have any impact.
02:56:01.162 --> 02:56:03.365
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no one's gonna care
02:56:04.823 --> 02:56:06.664
[UNKNOWN]: No one's going to care if anybody beats a thing at this point.
02:56:06.684 --> 02:56:07.585
[UNKNOWN]: But it's gone on too long.
02:56:07.605 --> 02:56:07.925
[UNKNOWN]: There's eight.
02:56:07.945 --> 02:56:11.308
[UNKNOWN]: No, you run that risk of if a title goes on too long.
02:56:11.328 --> 02:56:12.368
[UNKNOWN]: It just becomes an afterthought.
02:56:12.388 --> 02:56:13.990
[UNKNOWN]: And it's just like, no, it's not interesting.
02:56:14.150 --> 02:56:15.191
[UNKNOWN]: And it hasn't been interesting.
02:56:15.211 --> 02:56:15.711
[UNKNOWN]: That's the thing.
02:56:16.131 --> 02:56:19.434
[UNKNOWN]: Like if it's been interesting this whole time, that's another story.
02:56:19.474 --> 02:56:23.637
[UNKNOWN]: But they haven't been because how can it be if no one's paying attention any of this?
02:56:24.603 --> 02:56:25.424
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a mess.
02:56:25.664 --> 02:56:27.826
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's just a, I don't know.
02:56:27.906 --> 02:56:32.609
[UNKNOWN]: I'll see in three months that fucking death before dishonor, whatever the fuck next, one of these things.
02:56:32.629 --> 02:56:33.190
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even know.
02:56:33.270 --> 02:56:34.411
[UNKNOWN]: What did they do that?
02:56:34.431 --> 02:56:35.271
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what's the next one?
02:56:35.692 --> 02:56:38.654
[UNKNOWN]: The next one would be, so this is what's super card of honor.
02:56:39.154 --> 02:56:41.496
[UNKNOWN]: The next one would be, I think death before dishonor, right?
02:56:41.536 --> 02:56:42.357
[UNKNOWN]: Isn't that how it usually?
02:56:42.617 --> 02:56:43.498
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what he does.
02:56:43.518 --> 02:56:44.819
[UNKNOWN]: I know he does final battle.
02:56:44.959 --> 02:56:45.939
[UNKNOWN]: I know he does one.
02:56:49.902 --> 02:56:50.523
[UNKNOWN]: Fuck does he do?
02:56:53.403 --> 02:57:00.287
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's before the sauna would usually be that's that's usually like August to lie somewhere in that range So I guess that would be the next.
02:57:00.307 --> 02:57:19.038
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that book last year he did that before the sauna at the end of August So that would be next I guess and then from there it would be final battle and then What's he do three a year now I guess it's only three a year Yeah, he's does two parcard that before the sauna in final battle that's it
02:57:19.961 --> 02:57:22.783
[UNKNOWN]: Wasn't he doing one during he stopped doing the rest of the media weekend one.
02:57:22.803 --> 02:57:23.383
[UNKNOWN]: That's what it was.
02:57:23.743 --> 02:57:26.205
[UNKNOWN]: It was a super crowd of honor.
02:57:27.145 --> 02:57:28.526
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he just kind of moved to a couple months.
02:57:28.546 --> 02:57:29.027
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
02:57:29.067 --> 02:57:29.247
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:57:30.207 --> 02:57:32.549
[UNKNOWN]: So there was never a fourth one.
02:57:32.569 --> 02:57:33.629
[UNKNOWN]: I thought there was a fourth one.
02:57:33.649 --> 02:57:34.170
[UNKNOWN]: I guess not.
02:57:34.850 --> 02:57:35.931
[UNKNOWN]: I guess it's just been those three.
02:57:36.151 --> 02:57:36.871
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, right.
02:57:36.911 --> 02:57:37.532
[UNKNOWN]: Final battle.
02:57:37.552 --> 02:57:37.812
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:57:37.892 --> 02:57:38.172
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:57:38.772 --> 02:57:42.775
[UNKNOWN]: So he those three a year, which kind of weird.
02:57:45.997 --> 02:57:47.338
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's always done those three.
02:57:47.638 --> 02:57:47.778
[UNKNOWN]: So
02:57:49.617 --> 02:58:02.898
[UNKNOWN]: see a death before just on it all right can't wait to wait a theme of verses fucking me to sure how or something all right can't wait all right let's talk about that you know what I can wait for
02:58:04.939 --> 02:58:11.323
[UNKNOWN]: I can't wait to talk about the champion carnival final finals, I'll just pan pro wrestling.
02:58:11.964 --> 02:58:17.067
[UNKNOWN]: 355 in the building now, it's got a new name, but this is the old Oda City general gymnasium.
02:58:17.087 --> 02:58:20.529
[UNKNOWN]: It's called like a barrow wave arena Ota, but it is the same place.
02:58:20.549 --> 02:58:21.290
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a sponsor.
02:58:21.550 --> 02:58:21.750
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:58:23.031 --> 02:58:26.114
[UNKNOWN]: So, initially when I was doing this re-church, I was like, well, it's a different building.
02:58:26.174 --> 02:58:27.274
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, same building.
02:58:27.535 --> 02:58:30.397
[UNKNOWN]: So last year, the Champion Carnival Finals show, 2,280.
02:58:30.437 --> 02:58:31.178
[UNKNOWN]: This year, 3,055.
02:58:31.838 --> 02:58:35.321
[UNKNOWN]: So, uh, that's a big jump.
02:58:35.341 --> 02:58:37.803
[UNKNOWN]: Give yourself a pad on the back, all Japan pro wrestling.
02:58:38.143 --> 02:58:40.385
[UNKNOWN]: For, uh, Hadecki Suzuki.
02:58:40.405 --> 02:58:42.226
[UNKNOWN]: We got to apologize to Hadecki.
02:58:42.266 --> 02:58:44.208
[UNKNOWN]: And this is where I, I mentioned at the top of the show.
02:58:45.359 --> 02:58:52.281
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you live long enough to become your enemy or what's out of for good.
02:58:52.341 --> 02:58:57.983
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you start off a douche bag, but you live long enough to become a scumbag or something like that.
02:58:58.003 --> 02:58:58.544
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever.
02:58:58.624 --> 02:59:04.286
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, we would throw down for days on end with the deck of Suzuki Perverts in 2014.
02:59:04.306 --> 02:59:06.446
[UNKNOWN]: It's 2026 in God Damage, Joe.
02:59:08.703 --> 02:59:12.145
[UNKNOWN]: have you turned around on him like I have, I have, I'm a fall on the deck.
02:59:12.165 --> 02:59:12.945
[UNKNOWN]: This is rookie pervert.
02:59:12.965 --> 02:59:18.008
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, my thing very thin wrestling is he, like, in that main event with it, it's him versus Go Shiosaki.
02:59:18.028 --> 02:59:25.293
[UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about the whole show in a minute, but he just spends a minute clobbing Go Shiosaki's ribs and stomach.
02:59:26.013 --> 02:59:45.468
[UNKNOWN]: with elbows non-stop and I'm just like this guy fucking rocks like this is just this is everything that I want out of wrestling he gets up go she was ackey is just fucking knows his bloody and his shoulders a mess and his bodies taped up and his chest is full of and Suzuki's just he's got a game plan and he's sticking with it.
02:59:45.588 --> 02:59:52.333
[UNKNOWN]: I know you're excited you're skipping a lot of context so cool your jets sir okay we'll get to that.
02:59:53.114 --> 03:00:01.517
[UNKNOWN]: But for people who haven't been paying attention, or hadn't didn't watch the show, go Shiyozaki started off this tournament like a house of fire.
03:00:01.557 --> 03:00:05.558
[UNKNOWN]: He had these great matches against Kento Miyohara and Yuma Anzai.
03:00:06.399 --> 03:00:15.542
[UNKNOWN]: But as the tournament moved along, his story, and it's been this way for years with him, even since he's been with Noah.
03:00:16.466 --> 03:00:38.527
[UNKNOWN]: as he's this battle-worn veteran who he's held together by Keto Tape and you know and by the end of the tournament he was just he was getting upset by people he shouldn't have lost to because his body was beaten up so badly and he came into the final block night with his rib-salt taped up and his shoulder taped up and
03:00:39.448 --> 03:01:04.970
[UNKNOWN]: like wrapped up like a mummy and he came into the semifinals on this night even though it was two weeks later he's still all wrapped up with a mummy and he's got so much tape all over his body Yeah, so he and then he has this rugged match against Madoka Kakuta the the open-the-dream gate champion from dragon gate and I'm just dying because I'm like he's still taped up like he had to He didn't get enough time in the ice bath now.
03:01:04.990 --> 03:01:06.031
[UNKNOWN]: He's still he's still fucked
03:01:06.611 --> 03:01:09.252
[UNKNOWN]: So Kukuta is a big thick boy now.
03:01:09.312 --> 03:01:10.973
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if people have seen Kukuta lately.
03:01:11.013 --> 03:01:14.275
[UNKNOWN]: He was never a small guy, but he's got like the spare tire now.
03:01:14.335 --> 03:01:15.535
[UNKNOWN]: He's like a big guy, right?
03:01:16.196 --> 03:01:23.299
[UNKNOWN]: So he's putting a beating on Shiozaki and his broken-down body and the whole story of Shiozaki is going to have to overcome this physically.
03:01:23.319 --> 03:01:23.739
[UNKNOWN]: And he does.
03:01:23.759 --> 03:01:24.820
[UNKNOWN]: He hits the big lariat.
03:01:25.520 --> 03:01:28.601
[UNKNOWN]: He hit the gold flasher first, but he kicked at it at everybody, kicks at it.
03:01:29.181 --> 03:01:32.642
[UNKNOWN]: The gold flasher now is like the Sammy Zane Blue Thunder Bomb.
03:01:32.782 --> 03:01:34.643
[UNKNOWN]: Like, why even waste your time?
03:01:34.803 --> 03:01:36.124
[UNKNOWN]: No one made it's not pinning any.
03:01:36.404 --> 03:01:37.984
[UNKNOWN]: It's like the Mat Hardy side effects.
03:01:38.104 --> 03:01:40.185
[UNKNOWN]: Like, he doesn't, he never made it.
03:01:40.205 --> 03:01:42.126
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you're not getting the pin, right?
03:01:42.166 --> 03:01:43.866
[UNKNOWN]: So, it used to be his finisher.
03:01:43.906 --> 03:01:44.726
[UNKNOWN]: It's not anymore.
03:01:44.786 --> 03:01:46.087
[UNKNOWN]: He hits the guy with the Larry and now.
03:01:46.147 --> 03:01:48.268
[UNKNOWN]: So, he hits Kukuto with the Larry and puts him away.
03:01:49.348 --> 03:01:50.248
[UNKNOWN]: Hedeki Suzuki.
03:01:50.528 --> 03:01:52.309
[UNKNOWN]: His match is next against Ry's Saito.
03:01:53.775 --> 03:01:56.877
[UNKNOWN]: He's just chill, he gets introduced first, he's just chillin' in the corner.
03:01:57.437 --> 03:02:02.659
[UNKNOWN]: As Rye Site, those comin' into dream warriors, we got the docking blast in right for Rye Site though.
03:02:02.959 --> 03:02:08.662
[UNKNOWN]: Suzuki's just chillin', and I don't know how much of this tour you saw, but I covered the whole thing behind the paywall.
03:02:09.343 --> 03:02:15.466
[UNKNOWN]: Suzuki has been so awesome in this fuckin' thing because he's just been this no nonsense ass kicker, right?
03:02:15.666 --> 03:02:18.267
[UNKNOWN]: With a great game plan, he goes in every match of the perfect game plan.
03:02:18.935 --> 03:02:26.541
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, did you see the clips I put up when he beat Render Yabe and he was sticking his tongue out at him and taunting him and slapping him in the face and he's like, yeah, fuck you.
03:02:26.561 --> 03:02:27.662
[UNKNOWN]: He's slapping him in the face.
03:02:27.682 --> 03:02:29.023
[UNKNOWN]: He's sticking his tongue out, right?
03:02:29.564 --> 03:02:33.807
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, this guy, like this, if he just would have been this his whole career.
03:02:33.867 --> 03:02:35.328
[UNKNOWN]: How cool would this have been, right?
03:02:35.368 --> 03:02:43.395
[UNKNOWN]: Like he's this, he's this big Billy Robinson trained shooter who's now like working like an asshole, like like,
03:02:44.375 --> 03:02:51.700
[UNKNOWN]: Like in the past he was a shoot asshole like he was a dick like he didn't want to do jobs for anybody He was low effort in the ring.
03:02:52.060 --> 03:02:57.163
[UNKNOWN]: He would he would eat guys up if he would lose He would have the fucking boo-boo face.
03:02:57.544 --> 03:03:03.748
[UNKNOWN]: He'd roll out of the ring like he did against Kai and wrestle one But now he's channeling all that shit
03:03:04.348 --> 03:03:21.306
[UNKNOWN]: into his work as opposed to being like a real-life asshole and it's great the guy was awesome in the tournament so he just beat people up and you know just just pound and like you were talking about like we're going to talk about in the final so he gets an arrogance rise site to beat him with a schoolboy and like 40 seconds.
03:03:21.766 --> 03:03:22.207
[UNKNOWN]: in and out.
03:03:22.667 --> 03:03:23.828
[UNKNOWN]: So now you're like holy shit.
03:03:24.308 --> 03:03:30.814
[UNKNOWN]: You've got this beaten up taped together, Go Shiozaki, who is barely holding it together physically.
03:03:31.334 --> 03:03:39.281
[UNKNOWN]: And he's got to take on this fucking monster who just killed people in the whole tournament and worked a 30 second match in the semi final.
03:03:39.301 --> 03:03:41.263
[UNKNOWN]: He's going to be fresh as a daisy, right?
03:03:41.723 --> 03:03:44.566
[UNKNOWN]: So they went into that final and just like Rich said,
03:03:45.848 --> 03:03:48.849
[UNKNOWN]: Suzuki just beat the fuck out of this guy.
03:03:48.909 --> 03:03:51.149
[UNKNOWN]: He's just attacking that taped up midsection.
03:03:51.489 --> 03:03:53.170
[UNKNOWN]: He's attacking the injured shoulder.
03:03:53.510 --> 03:03:56.731
[UNKNOWN]: He's completely and thoroughly dominating.
03:03:57.351 --> 03:04:03.273
[UNKNOWN]: The physically decimated goeshiosaki who's being held together by tape and doing it with an edge.
03:04:04.113 --> 03:04:12.255
[UNKNOWN]: It was so fucking awesome to watch him beat this man up and the whole time I'm watching it, I'm thinking they're gonna ruin this.
03:04:13.263 --> 03:04:19.710
[UNKNOWN]: because Go is going to find a way to win, and there is no fucking way that Go Shiozaki should win this match.
03:04:20.191 --> 03:04:29.061
[UNKNOWN]: There is no way in this fucking universe that he should find a way to beat Hideki Suzuki because he shouldn't be physically capable of doing it at this point.
03:04:29.341 --> 03:04:34.804
[UNKNOWN]: with the beating he has taken throughout the tournament, and the beating that this man is putting on him in this match.
03:04:35.204 --> 03:04:45.229
[UNKNOWN]: It would be such a WWE-ass finish if Gosheo's Oki won this match, and I was preparing to come on this podcast and complain about it, but they didn't do that.
03:04:45.810 --> 03:04:47.591
[UNKNOWN]: Suzuki just beat him.
03:04:48.151 --> 03:04:57.856
[UNKNOWN]: He hit that fucking suplex and he beat him, and that made this go from a disappointing annoying match that I was going to complain about to one of my favorite matches of the year.
03:04:58.276 --> 03:04:59.738
[UNKNOWN]: To my, you know, and I watched a little bit.
03:05:00.038 --> 03:05:03.681
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't watch the whole tournament, but I as I started hearing that it was pretty good.
03:05:03.701 --> 03:05:11.007
[UNKNOWN]: I started jumping in I forget exactly what day I watched, but like I said, the thing that got me with Suzuki was is every match he went into in the tournament.
03:05:11.307 --> 03:05:17.633
[UNKNOWN]: He had a different plan of attack against every guy, but the way they told the story was this guy just had a very good plan of attack every single time.
03:05:17.653 --> 03:05:19.595
[UNKNOWN]: It works like again, Psycho.
03:05:19.615 --> 03:05:21.496
[UNKNOWN]: He was like, look, I can't grapple with this guy.
03:05:21.536 --> 03:05:23.578
[UNKNOWN]: So what's I'm going to do is I'm going to jump on his back.
03:05:23.618 --> 03:05:25.059
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to do a rear naked choke.
03:05:26.000 --> 03:05:33.298
[UNKNOWN]: until I can get them down on one knee and then, you know, sight to a spot out of it a little bit, but then, you know, something, you know,
03:05:34.583 --> 03:05:41.991
[UNKNOWN]: Suzuki was just able to kind of roll them up and just kind of Yeah, it was like a good like site that was fucking around with the referee for a minute and Suzuki You know what I got a good opportunity.
03:05:42.011 --> 03:05:43.892
[UNKNOWN]: I was gonna roll his ass up one two three.
03:05:43.952 --> 03:05:44.153
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
03:05:44.173 --> 03:05:44.673
[UNKNOWN]: I got the win there.
03:05:44.713 --> 03:05:45.194
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, good.
03:05:45.254 --> 03:05:48.697
[UNKNOWN]: I only you know Shiozaki's working his ass off to be Kikuta.
03:05:48.837 --> 03:05:50.639
[UNKNOWN]: I'd be my doing one minute 30 seconds.
03:05:50.659 --> 03:05:58.127
[UNKNOWN]: I'm good to go and then Yeah, he went into that main event and just beat the shit out of go Shiozaki and and when I said I mean the look
03:05:59.337 --> 03:06:03.158
[UNKNOWN]: You have to, you have to watch this match and see what goes she was like, he looked like at the end of this match.
03:06:03.839 --> 03:06:12.122
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he was nose, bloody, chest red, tape on a shoulder, she had fallen off of, yeah.
03:06:12.642 --> 03:06:15.263
[UNKNOWN]: Just sweat and it just a defeated man.
03:06:15.343 --> 03:06:21.905
[UNKNOWN]: I broke in a man that was just beaten, just beaten it within an inch of his life by Hadecki Suzuki, who just won the match.
03:06:21.925 --> 03:06:22.366
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
03:06:22.386 --> 03:06:25.787
[UNKNOWN]: Like he hit that, I forgot what he calls his is, is underhook.
03:06:26.556 --> 03:06:28.357
[UNKNOWN]: the big suplex, a double underhook suplex.
03:06:28.377 --> 03:06:29.397
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just have a kitchen name.
03:06:29.417 --> 03:06:31.258
[UNKNOWN]: He probably doesn't have a kitchen name because why would he have a kitchen?
03:06:31.318 --> 03:06:33.019
[UNKNOWN]: We don't know the names and moves, no tears.
03:06:33.279 --> 03:06:36.381
[UNKNOWN]: But he hits it and then shows I could kicked out and I was like, ah man, here we go.
03:06:36.421 --> 03:06:39.643
[UNKNOWN]: Now, she was like, he's gonna go, ah, and fire up or whatever.
03:06:40.518 --> 03:06:44.280
[UNKNOWN]: And Suzuki just takes a deep breath, lifts his ass up, drops him again.
03:06:44.620 --> 03:06:47.681
[UNKNOWN]: And then rolls him over, he gets a little too three and I'm like, oh, all right, yeah, that works.
03:06:48.222 --> 03:06:48.482
[UNKNOWN]: Awesome.
03:06:48.702 --> 03:06:48.902
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
03:06:49.262 --> 03:06:50.362
[UNKNOWN]: It just, yeah.
03:06:50.402 --> 03:06:54.224
[UNKNOWN]: When all I'm asking for out of my wrestling in 2026 is it's a look like wrestling.
03:06:54.824 --> 03:07:01.868
[UNKNOWN]: And for it to be a battle of two men trying to determine who is the stronger, the better of the two.
03:07:01.908 --> 03:07:03.548
[UNKNOWN]: Like that, that's all I'm really asking for.
03:07:03.628 --> 03:07:06.930
[UNKNOWN]: So I've become a Hades Suzuki person as a result of that, I guess.
03:07:07.110 --> 03:07:10.592
[UNKNOWN]: yeah he's been so good and it really it hasn't even just been in this tour.
03:07:11.532 --> 03:07:19.276
[UNKNOWN]: I've been talking about over the last year or so it's just ever since they got away from the comedy stuff he was doing with Suama for a while there.
03:07:20.377 --> 03:07:27.481
[UNKNOWN]: He's just been everything I want my wrestling and in this tour really just hammered that home and this final was so great and it's the kind of match
03:07:28.490 --> 03:07:32.294
[UNKNOWN]: that American companies would be terrified to do to one of their top baby faces.
03:07:32.614 --> 03:07:39.601
[UNKNOWN]: Neither of the American companies would allow one of their top baby faces to be treated the way Go Shiozaki was here.
03:07:40.202 --> 03:07:42.204
[UNKNOWN]: They just wouldn't, they wouldn't allow it, you know?
03:07:42.304 --> 03:07:47.409
[UNKNOWN]: And she, like I said, in WWE, Shiozaki would have won this match.
03:07:48.285 --> 03:07:59.795
[UNKNOWN]: It would have been this derivative, come back, finish, where he gets beat up the whole time, and despite all the damage he took in the tournament, he would hit his finisher, and he'd win the fucking match, and I'd be annoyed.
03:08:00.396 --> 03:08:03.118
[UNKNOWN]: And I was prepared to be annoyed at this match, but they didn't do that.
03:08:03.559 --> 03:08:13.948
[UNKNOWN]: They just showed some guts, and they had Suzuki finished the fucking job that everybody else started with the rest of the tournament, and that Kakura continued in the semi-final.
03:08:14.998 --> 03:08:16.139
[UNKNOWN]: And it was refreshing to see.
03:08:16.919 --> 03:08:20.160
[UNKNOWN]: And because of that, it's one of my favorite matches of the year to this point.
03:08:20.180 --> 03:08:21.681
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was, yeah, that was my hot take.
03:08:21.701 --> 03:08:26.943
[UNKNOWN]: Because I think there's a spot in my top 10 that is currently, this match is currently in.
03:08:27.043 --> 03:08:29.064
[UNKNOWN]: I, I, I, I, it was 90% one guy.
03:08:29.204 --> 03:08:30.205
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
03:08:30.425 --> 03:08:31.525
[UNKNOWN]: It was 90% one guy.
03:08:31.845 --> 03:08:35.207
[UNKNOWN]: But that was the proper story to tell, Bell de Bell.
03:08:35.247 --> 03:08:36.527
[UNKNOWN]: I, I really did, I adored it.
03:08:36.547 --> 03:08:37.008
[UNKNOWN]: It was great.
03:08:37.268 --> 03:08:42.030
[UNKNOWN]: It was a bunch of times I loved in this match too, where she Ozaki would go for his chop and Suzuki just put his arms up.
03:08:42.552 --> 03:08:43.472
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
03:08:43.512 --> 03:08:46.714
[UNKNOWN]: It was like, no, you're not, you don't have the same velocity on it.
03:08:46.734 --> 03:08:49.235
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have the strength like I'm not even going to take it.
03:08:49.255 --> 03:08:52.817
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just going to block it and go keep trying to go to it because that's his go to.
03:08:52.877 --> 03:08:52.997
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
03:08:53.017 --> 03:08:54.378
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm going to start shopping the fuck out of you.
03:08:54.398 --> 03:08:57.499
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I do and he can't do it and he can't do it and he can't do it.
03:08:57.519 --> 03:09:00.160
[UNKNOWN]: And I thought that was a really brilliant story to tell, too.
03:09:00.180 --> 03:09:04.883
[UNKNOWN]: That Shouzaki is just he got to this point and he killed him to get here.
03:09:06.083 --> 03:09:07.323
[UNKNOWN]: And he just can't, he can't get it done.
03:09:07.363 --> 03:09:07.743
[UNKNOWN]: He's done.
03:09:07.763 --> 03:09:10.024
[UNKNOWN]: He won't just against a monster, just gets a fucking monster.
03:09:10.044 --> 03:09:12.544
[UNKNOWN]: Right, he's just physically and mentally destroyed.
03:09:12.604 --> 03:09:16.465
[UNKNOWN]: And then, the deck is just, he's got a perfect game plan that he just works to perfection.
03:09:16.585 --> 03:09:23.286
[UNKNOWN]: And it just starts literally, like I said, mounting him and just elbowing him in the chest and elbowing him in the stomach over and over and over again.
03:09:23.306 --> 03:09:24.447
[UNKNOWN]: And it's just, yeah, what a brilliant.
03:09:24.467 --> 03:09:25.627
[UNKNOWN]: And then just, yeah, it's his move.
03:09:26.187 --> 03:09:28.688
[UNKNOWN]: Go kicks out and hit some of the guy in the pencil.
03:09:28.768 --> 03:09:29.988
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, all right, yeah.
03:09:31.068 --> 03:09:31.688
[UNKNOWN]: gets that big win.
03:09:31.708 --> 03:09:35.650
[UNKNOWN]: The crowd goes, oh, when he does it too, because it was like a, you know, they didn't really expect to be there.
03:09:35.690 --> 03:09:40.633
[UNKNOWN]: I think they all expected to go to have that miraculous comeback and it's, you know, another thing to with Alchepan.
03:09:41.527 --> 03:09:43.188
[UNKNOWN]: I think maybe he's why they've been improved in 2026.
03:09:43.268 --> 03:09:45.951
[UNKNOWN]: And it goes to his eyes, he's such a great addition to this roster.
03:09:45.991 --> 03:09:46.871
[UNKNOWN]: Good, he's so good.
03:09:47.031 --> 03:09:53.797
[UNKNOWN]: And there was that weirdness when he first came in and we were like, I don't know, it's like he had that match with Kento and it was just like, fine and we were like, I don't know, man.
03:09:53.817 --> 03:09:56.039
[UNKNOWN]: And they were doing the black T-shirt heel gang.
03:09:56.079 --> 03:09:57.020
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
03:09:57.040 --> 03:10:04.025
[UNKNOWN]: And it was like a little worrisome that that, but man, we're like, what's seven months into it now and it's like such a great addition to this roster.
03:10:04.185 --> 03:10:05.647
[UNKNOWN]: He was the MVP of this tournament.
03:10:06.247 --> 03:10:07.248
[UNKNOWN]: There's no doubt about that.
03:10:07.288 --> 03:10:08.629
[UNKNOWN]: He had like the four best matches.
03:10:08.709 --> 03:10:09.749
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, then Hans I matches.
03:10:10.010 --> 03:10:10.890
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, God.
03:10:10.990 --> 03:10:11.771
[UNKNOWN]: He left to watch that.
03:10:12.291 --> 03:10:20.677
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, look, and he just, he brings They needed another guy and they got another guy and that's exactly what they needed.
03:10:20.817 --> 03:10:20.937
[UNKNOWN]: I,
03:10:21.881 --> 03:10:32.086
[UNKNOWN]: Look, maybe I don't know all the politics involved in all of that, but I think it's such a gigantic fucking mistake that this guy was available in New Japan didn't bring him in.
03:10:32.446 --> 03:10:38.850
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's such a mistake, but New Japan is so lost right now with their own shitty ideas and it's such a good idea.
03:10:38.890 --> 03:10:40.391
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, they would use him in the worst way possible.
03:10:40.451 --> 03:10:41.011
[UNKNOWN]: So I am glad.
03:10:41.031 --> 03:10:42.051
[UNKNOWN]: Probably in House of Tortures.
03:10:42.071 --> 03:10:42.892
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm glad they didn't.
03:10:43.392 --> 03:10:44.773
[UNKNOWN]: He'd probably be in House of Tortures.
03:10:45.813 --> 03:10:46.054
[UNKNOWN]: But,
03:10:47.250 --> 03:10:57.036
[UNKNOWN]: He has just added so much, and look, like you said, they did a real nice house here, too, for a show that was going to be built around Go Sheel's Oki.
03:10:58.957 --> 03:11:00.698
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, everyone knew he was in the semi.
03:11:01.759 --> 03:11:03.260
[UNKNOWN]: Everyone knew he was going to the final.
03:11:04.720 --> 03:11:07.502
[UNKNOWN]: So, I mean, I think that the house, they drew his a feather in his cap.
03:11:08.863 --> 03:11:13.826
[UNKNOWN]: And as far as Yuma Anzai goes, he got to the finals of the Bachelorette, but the other guy got the rose.
03:11:15.230 --> 03:11:15.990
[UNKNOWN]: watch the footage.
03:11:16.971 --> 03:11:19.571
[UNKNOWN]: He's a much better looking guy than the guy who won by the way.
03:11:20.132 --> 03:11:21.872
[UNKNOWN]: By the way, I checked out the whole cast.
03:11:21.952 --> 03:11:26.774
[UNKNOWN]: He was clearly if it was just going by looks and he was the best looking guy.
03:11:26.794 --> 03:11:27.794
[UNKNOWN]: He's a good looking fella.
03:11:27.834 --> 03:11:28.394
[UNKNOWN]: He's a good looking guy.
03:11:28.414 --> 03:11:29.275
[UNKNOWN]: He's a good looking guy.
03:11:29.835 --> 03:11:36.997
[UNKNOWN]: He's a big six foot for you know professional wrestler, alpha male, maybe he's not six four, six three, six two, whatever he is.
03:11:38.117 --> 03:11:39.678
[UNKNOWN]: And he's good looking, nice haircut.
03:11:40.955 --> 03:11:42.115
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I look, I don't know.
03:11:42.155 --> 03:11:43.556
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he's a fucking airhead.
03:11:43.936 --> 03:11:46.477
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he was a dick, but he got to the final.
03:11:46.497 --> 03:11:47.297
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't get the rose.
03:11:48.157 --> 03:11:50.498
[UNKNOWN]: But, um, and the guy that got the rose, I don't know.
03:11:50.658 --> 03:11:54.479
[UNKNOWN]: But, um, he wrestled on this show.
03:11:55.480 --> 03:11:59.641
[UNKNOWN]: Did they, I, I think they worked that fucking leg injury at the end of the tournament.
03:11:59.661 --> 03:12:00.361
[UNKNOWN]: Of course they did.
03:12:01.501 --> 03:12:02.402
[UNKNOWN]: I think they worked it.
03:12:02.502 --> 03:12:03.402
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was just,
03:12:05.342 --> 03:12:10.172
[UNKNOWN]: Like because he was fresh as a daisy here two weeks later he's fine here.
03:12:10.232 --> 03:12:12.477
[UNKNOWN]: This this eight man to anger whatever yeah.
03:12:13.097 --> 03:12:21.999
[UNKNOWN]: I think they were protecting him or there was something weird going on, maybe to balance the points and to with all the other injuries and to I don't you know, I don't know what was going on.
03:12:22.039 --> 03:12:27.740
[UNKNOWN]: I figured it was protecting him doing a job and also getting the points all squirrely.
03:12:27.760 --> 03:12:29.140
[UNKNOWN]: The injury was in the other block.
03:12:29.180 --> 03:12:32.880
[UNKNOWN]: Wasn't it the first injury, the psycho injury was not that it was the different blood.
03:12:32.900 --> 03:12:34.321
[UNKNOWN]: So it was a different block.
03:12:34.361 --> 03:12:35.841
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know if that would have been a factor.
03:12:37.961 --> 03:12:40.842
[UNKNOWN]: But it was weird and he wrestled here and he was fine.
03:12:42.540 --> 03:12:42.900
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
03:12:42.920 --> 03:12:47.763
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like we may have all gotten worked on that one, which is fine.
03:12:48.143 --> 03:12:49.504
[UNKNOWN]: I, you know, I'm all for that.
03:12:49.544 --> 03:12:50.184
[UNKNOWN]: That's okay.
03:12:50.725 --> 03:12:54.727
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, what a great final.
03:12:54.867 --> 03:13:02.051
[UNKNOWN]: And now we'll get Hadecki Suzuki versus Kento Miyahara for the, for the triple crown.
03:13:02.171 --> 03:13:06.013
[UNKNOWN]: And then we'll see where we go now with Go Shilzaki moving forward.
03:13:06.654 --> 03:13:07.994
[UNKNOWN]: Havaker not really heels.
03:13:08.034 --> 03:13:08.735
[UNKNOWN]: They were heels.
03:13:10.320 --> 03:13:12.603
[UNKNOWN]: Now they kind of have a baby face presentation.
03:13:12.643 --> 03:13:18.969
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if there meant to be baby faces, but they don't come across as heels on the show.
03:13:19.130 --> 03:13:22.713
[UNKNOWN]: No, they came out here and they're just like dancing and jumping around in the crowd.
03:13:22.753 --> 03:13:28.359
[UNKNOWN]: They were against a coach who got whatever so was like, yeah, it is, yeah, they've kind of turned.
03:13:29.163 --> 03:13:32.985
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know if they're tweeners, but they kind of feel like face leaning tweeners to me.
03:13:33.005 --> 03:13:33.385
[UNKNOWN]: They do.
03:13:33.425 --> 03:13:34.905
[UNKNOWN]: They feel like faces to me.
03:13:35.445 --> 03:13:39.327
[UNKNOWN]: They're definitely not in the mold of team 2,000 X or house.
03:13:39.347 --> 03:13:39.887
[UNKNOWN]: Oh no, no, no.
03:13:39.967 --> 03:13:42.408
[UNKNOWN]: No, and I was worried that we're going to be, and they really have done it.
03:13:42.688 --> 03:13:44.369
[UNKNOWN]: And they're not, they're not that at all.
03:13:44.569 --> 03:13:46.490
[UNKNOWN]: They outside of just wearing black and
03:13:47.733 --> 03:13:48.573
[UNKNOWN]: being a gang.
03:13:48.853 --> 03:13:50.374
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they don't really behave that way.
03:13:50.414 --> 03:13:53.175
[UNKNOWN]: They're not interfering in each other's matches or anything like that.
03:13:54.135 --> 03:13:56.516
[UNKNOWN]: So very enjoyable.
03:13:58.436 --> 03:13:59.296
[UNKNOWN]: Awesome final.
03:14:00.377 --> 03:14:02.797
[UNKNOWN]: And I really enjoyed the whole tournament.
03:14:02.817 --> 03:14:09.639
[UNKNOWN]: I thought the champion carnival was, look, it struggled a little down the stretch.
03:14:09.880 --> 03:14:11.080
[UNKNOWN]: The final show or two.
03:14:12.228 --> 03:14:13.709
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of these tournaments do though.
03:14:13.809 --> 03:14:16.030
[UNKNOWN]: You get tired of watching the same guys every night.
03:14:16.310 --> 03:14:23.074
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of that is just viewer fatigue to along with performance fatigue, both of those things.
03:14:23.794 --> 03:14:31.798
[UNKNOWN]: But on the whole, I thought it was a very enjoyable tournament, night one with the great main event all the way through the great final.
03:14:34.458 --> 03:14:38.639
[UNKNOWN]: So there you go, anything else on the actual show, the rest of the show, I picked and choose.
03:14:38.699 --> 03:14:41.660
[UNKNOWN]: I watched a couple of matches here and there, but it was mostly just in consequential tags.
03:14:41.940 --> 03:14:44.141
[UNKNOWN]: And, no, I don't have any thoughts about anything else.
03:14:44.161 --> 03:14:46.362
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's sign off here.
03:14:46.442 --> 03:14:51.664
[UNKNOWN]: So we will be back on Sunday, as we said, Sunday night, I'm nearly following double or nothing.
03:14:51.684 --> 03:14:56.185
[UNKNOWN]: We're going live, instant reaction live for A, W, W, nothing, 20, 26, I'll be exclusive.
03:14:56.645 --> 03:15:01.527
[UNKNOWN]: On the $10 tier, and if you have never listened to an instant reaction live before, this is not a,
03:15:02.127 --> 03:15:06.011
[UNKNOWN]: You know, this is not going to be a 20 minute recapping review of of of double or nothing.
03:15:06.031 --> 03:15:06.711
[UNKNOWN]: We go in depth.
03:15:06.731 --> 03:15:08.313
[UNKNOWN]: We go to plus hour.
03:15:08.353 --> 03:15:09.674
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes we go three hours.
03:15:10.054 --> 03:15:11.776
[UNKNOWN]: We talk about every single match on the card.
03:15:11.796 --> 03:15:12.957
[UNKNOWN]: We talk about big picture stuff.
03:15:13.217 --> 03:15:14.058
[UNKNOWN]: We talk about angles.
03:15:14.078 --> 03:15:19.343
[UNKNOWN]: We talk about, uh, we also get some, you know, banter and some other bullshit all on the way as well.
03:15:19.363 --> 03:15:20.684
[UNKNOWN]: But you're going to get your money as worth.
03:15:20.764 --> 03:15:21.244
[UNKNOWN]: I know it is.
03:15:21.365 --> 03:15:24.888
[UNKNOWN]: It does seem kind of hard to believe that we're not just getting right down to business there.
03:15:24.928 --> 03:15:26.189
[UNKNOWN]: But it's a topic you say.
03:15:26.469 --> 03:15:30.531
[UNKNOWN]: A couple times, yeah, a couple times in the history of Instruction Live, it has gone a little off topic.
03:15:30.571 --> 03:15:37.615
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, for the most part, you're getting the most extensive and the best post-paper review review show in the game, we guarantee it.
03:15:37.635 --> 03:15:44.518
[UNKNOWN]: So that'll be on the $10 tier, instant reaction live, flagship Patriot and I come this Sunday, it merely following double or nothing.
03:15:44.618 --> 03:15:47.719
[UNKNOWN]: So that is it for us on the flagship.
03:15:47.780 --> 03:15:52.182
[UNKNOWN]: Voices of Wrestling.com, for previous reviews and columns, Voice of Wrestling.com slash Discord.
03:15:52.702 --> 03:15:54.823
[UNKNOWN]: I also want to welcome the ballot podcasts.
03:15:54.923 --> 03:15:56.964
[UNKNOWN]: to the voice dressing podcast network as well.
03:15:56.984 --> 03:16:04.049
[UNKNOWN]: The ballot, a great show hosted by Ryan doing a wrestling observer newsletter, Hall of Fame show all you're around.
03:16:04.129 --> 03:16:05.931
[UNKNOWN]: So always covering new candidates.
03:16:05.971 --> 03:16:07.712
[UNKNOWN]: You did a taboo show I want to say.
03:16:08.132 --> 03:16:14.436
[UNKNOWN]: Like a year or two ago, but for the ballot podcast, but a natural addition of the voice dressing podcast network.
03:16:14.456 --> 03:16:22.302
[UNKNOWN]: So subscribe to the ballot on your podcast, have a choice or just subscribe to the voice dressing podcast network feed and you'll get the ballot in there.
03:16:23.043 --> 03:16:23.544
[UNKNOWN]: as well.
03:16:23.644 --> 03:16:26.308
[UNKNOWN]: So happy to have Ryan aboard and really excited.
03:16:27.070 --> 03:16:29.714
[UNKNOWN]: Have the ballot podcast on the podcast network.
03:16:29.754 --> 03:16:31.217
[UNKNOWN]: So that is it for us.
03:16:31.838 --> 03:16:32.319
[UNKNOWN]: That is Joe.
03:16:32.419 --> 03:16:32.720
[UNKNOWN]: I'm Rich.
03:16:32.940 --> 03:16:33.481
[UNKNOWN]: Talk to you next time.
03:16:33.681 --> 03:16:34.042
[UNKNOWN]: Take care.
03:16:34.483 --> 03:16:34.623
[UNKNOWN]: Bye.