Episode #149 Featuring Dr. Judy Morgan! The Interview the pet industry does NOT want you to hear! Who REALLY controls pet food and pet car

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All right, everybody. Welcome back to.
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The Dylan Gemelli podcast. I don't even know what to
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say because this is the first time that I've had
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someone come on to discuss what we're going to discuss today.
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And in my heart of hearts, this is one of
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the things that I am probably the most passionate about
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and have really started to come to that since we
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got our cat, especially. But as I've gotten closer to
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God and understood the need and necessity from the start
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of the creation to take care of all the creatures,
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especially the animals, and the So my level of excitement
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and joy to do this is probably going to shine
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more so than anything I've done to this date. So
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my guest has over 40 years of experience as an
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integrative veterinarian, an acupuncturist, a chiropractor, a food therapist, and
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a bestselling author. She's a podcast host. And her goal
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is to change the lives of pets by educating and
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empowering pet parents worldwide in the use of natural healing therapies,
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which you know I talk about consistently in all aspects
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of life. We are going to do our best today
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to bring to light as many things about animals and
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really all aspects of health for everybody as we can.
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It's an honor and a privilege and a joy to
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present to you Dr.
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Judy Morgan.
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Thank you very much. I'm so thrilled to be here.
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Thank you for finding me. Thank you for doing what
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you do. Thank you for coming to see me.
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It's not right around the corner, but I'm happy to
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be here.
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I promise you that this is going to be beyond
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well worth it.
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I truly believe that or I wouldn't be here.
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All right. We started talking before. I said, you got
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to save some of that for the interview. So we
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have a lot to cover today. I want to start
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basic and then we're just going to expound into all
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of the craziness that goes on out there. So much.
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And I talk about this a lot with humans, so
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it's going to relate and it'll correlate a lot when
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we get into it with the animals. And it shows
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you how disturbing a lot of structurally how things operate
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in the world. Let's just start off with some basics here.
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What exactly is it that you do and what is
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your mission?
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Well, I practiced medicine, clinical medicine, for many years. I
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worked in emergency medicine for 10 years. And the last
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20 years of practice, I was an integrative veterinarian, meaning
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I was leaning a lot heavier on my holistic or
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complementary or alternative modalities, whatever term we want to use. Really,
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when we look at integrative medicine, it just means I
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have a lot more tools in my toolbox than somebody
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who says I have this pill. So for me, once
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I changed over to doing more integrative alternative therapies, I
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saw incredible changes in my patients. And after 36 years
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in clinical practice, my daughter moved from New Jersey to
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North Carolina. She got married. She called me and said,
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I'm pregnant. And I said, I'm moving to North Carolina.
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You're having my grandchild. Okay, the clinics are being sold.
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And the timing was good. I was getting pretty burnt
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out with clinical practice. So while we were still in
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New Jersey and I was still running my clinic, we
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had started this little teeny tiny company in our garage
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called Naturally Healthy Pets. And I did that partially because
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my clients For my clinics, we're driving anywhere from three
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to seven hours each way to get to the clinic
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because people were really looking for something different. And they
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wanted to keep their pets healthier. But a lot of
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times when you're in holistic medicine, you're the last stop.
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They've been to 17 other traditionalists. They're not getting different
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answers and they're told there's nothing else left to do.
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So that's why we had people coming so far. And
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because I had clients coming so far, we said, well,
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we need a way for these people to get refills
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on their supplements and their food or whatever. And so
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we started this little tiny company in our garage so
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that people could just order it online. And my husband
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was retired, so he would fill orders during the day.
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You know, it might be five or six orders. He
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would walk them over to the post office and order.
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In 2019, the end of 19, my daughter called me
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and said, I want to quit my job. I don't
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know what to do next. And I said, would you
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like to run NHP and see if you can turn
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it into something? And she said, oh, that'd be cool.
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And she's an engineer by trade. She has grown the
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company every year and done an amazing job. And now
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we have about 15 employees. And the goal is is
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to educate and empower pet owners. And the great thing
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about my platform now, we're on all social media and
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we have a big website, is that I can reach
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tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of pet parents, not
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the 30 that I could see a day in the clinic.
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And so it's been very empowering for me because I
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am changing the lives of millions of pets. And, you know,
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originally when I, you know, got to 10,000 followers, I
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was like, oh, this is really cool. You know, and
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then I'd set a new goal and then I'd set
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another goal and then I'd set another goal. And I
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remember one year right before the new year, I said, man,
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I just want to reach a million pet owners. And
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literally two days later, I had a post that hit
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a million. And I went, oh, funny how that happens.
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Like you put it out there and it comes back.
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So I love what I do now because I get
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to speak all over the world. I get to change
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the lives of pets all over the world. And it's
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as much as I care about the animals, I also
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care about the humans that live with those animals. And
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those humans want their... These are our kids for a
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lot of us. We're empty nesters. We have all these
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animals and we don't want to see them dying in
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10 years. We don't want to see them... having 1.6
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out of every two dogs over age 10 are going
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to have a cancer diagnosis. We don't want that.
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No.
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So how can we change that? And that is my goal,
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to educate people and get that changed.
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I had a hard time for many years understanding when
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I would see people with their pets and I'd be like, man,
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they're kind of going overboard.
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Like, it seems too much to me. Like, I really
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had that in my heart.
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And I... It took me having... Gabrielle of ours are
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my own and my world went completely upside down. And
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I also realized at the time, and I was just
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talking to this to Queenie on the way here about
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how the way that I found her and I was
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going to get a different cat and something told me
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to look for a different one and the way it
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whole came together. And then I realized she was actually
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created for me and like what it's done for me
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internally and now externally, because internally she flipped the switch
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on of compassion. I was lacking. And then externally now
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makes me want to go, change whatever I can. And
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we'll talk about this biblically a little bit. When God
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created all of us, he created the creatures and we
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were told to love all of his creation. And I
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ask you this, one of the things that I always
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say about animals, unless they're just completely jaded and, you know,
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there have had been abused, they generally have this natural
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desire of love and care. And when you see a pet,
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all they want you to do is pay attention to them. Oh, absolutely.
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My husband and I have been doing rescue work for
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20 years, and we've probably had 100 dogs go through
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our house, probably close to that many cats as well.
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Now we have rescue farm animals. And it doesn't matter
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how neglected or how abused they have been. All they
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want is love and to give love. And I don't
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care what kind of day you had out in the world,
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when you walk in the door, Your animal is coming
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to you and wanting to just make it better and
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wanting to spend time with you. And animals are so empathetic.
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You know, if I'm crying, I've got so many dogs
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and cats, like, trying to lick my face in my lap. Like,
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what did we do wrong? How can we help? Like,
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let's fix this. And it is really hard to be
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in a really crappy mood.
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It's impossible.
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When you've got this animal, you know, and for older
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people who are trying to stay in shape, get a dog,
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go for a walk.
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Yeah.
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They lower our blood pressure. That's why we use them
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for therapy, right? You go to, I used to do
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about 40 visits a year to senior citizens' homes, assisted living,
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veterans' hospitals, and I had a van full.
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Of animals.
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We had a miniature goat, a llama, a miniature horse,
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a chicken, a chinchilla, cats, and dogs, and we would
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load them all up in my van. My children were
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very little, so I had two little kids, all these animals,
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and we would walk into a hospital or walk into
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a nursing home. And particularly in the veterans' hospitals, we
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would put a cat or a dog in bed with
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someone and the nurses, you know, they'd light up and
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they'd start petting them or they'd start talking to them.
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And the nurses so many times would say they haven't
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said a word or moved in weeks, months. And that
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animal brings out that. And, you know, for older people
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who don't have a lot going on, and maybe their
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memory's not so good, all of a sudden they'll start
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telling you stories of their dog when they were growing
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up or their animals on the farm. Animals are just,
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they're just full of love. And that's all they want
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to give. And all of our rescue animals that have
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come in, even our donkeys, were so neglected and so abused.
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And They're just love. I mean, if I walk out
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in the field with a brush in my hand, I've
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got 10 of them that are standing there going, brush
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me next, brush me next. They just want that contact.
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My cat will literally get in my suitcase when she
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sees it's time for me to leave and try to
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block me. And even today, I was running late, and
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I was getting ready and running around, and she has
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this way where she'll throw herself down and go, and
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yell at me to come scratch her.
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And I'm like, Gabrielle, I'm late, but I'll do it anyway.
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So therapeutically, just.
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On that front, I believe, and I ask you this,
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because you can't prove it scientifically per se, but I
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would argue that that's one of the most therapeutic ways
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to heal is through their love. And, you know, even
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when she purrs on my bed, I know it's healing
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me in some sort of way.
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That vibration is absolutely, because they vibrate on different levels.
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It's amazing.
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And it's really interesting. We've had two that, one died
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with cancer, didn't die of his cancer. died of old age.
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And the other one did die of her cancer. But
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every day, once we got the diagnosis and it was bad,
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once we got the diagnosis, we would wake up every
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morning and say, what does Myra want to do? And
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so I was still working, but it was still, what
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does Myra want to do today? And so Myra would
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choose one of the buddies of our 10 dogs. We
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would go out for lunch with her. We would go
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to a pet store and pick out toys. We would
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go for a walk. We'd go to a new park.
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But not only did Was it doing something for Myra?
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It was doing something for us.
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And our animals don't live in the same realm we do.
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They don't. have anticipatory grief. I get so many clients
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that get a bad diagnosis and they're just so stuck in, oh,
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my gosh, I'm going to lose them. I'm going to
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lose them. And I'm like, how about we focus on
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today and live for today? What does your dog want
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to do today? What does your cat want to do today?
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How can you make today the best day it can
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be for them? Because that's all they care about. And
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when Myra only survived eight weeks with her cancer and
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when we had to let her go, people were like, oh,
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my gosh, that's so sad. You must be so sad.
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And I said, I'm sad that she's not here because
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where every single day was focused on what does Myra
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want to do? And I think that we can learn
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a lot from them. If I needed to cry because
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I was worried about losing Myra, it wasn't how it
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was going to affect her. It was how it was
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going to affect me. I did that outside or I
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did that out in my car. I never cried with Myra.
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It was like, Myra, we're having a good time today.
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And so I think we can learn a lot about
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that for ourselves. You know, if you have a family
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member who has a terminal diagnosis or a bad diagnosis,
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how how are you dealing with that? Are you spending
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every day crying over them or are you spending every
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day talking to them, enjoying them, telling stories and, you know,
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having creating good memories and not something bad? And I
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think they can teach us that.
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Well, you know, they have such a sense of something's
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wrong and they're they're sensing something's wrong with you. And
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then their last days here are spent in concern for you. Yeah.
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Which is kind of selfish. Yeah. Not intentionally, but it is.
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No, not intentionally, but it is. I would get clients
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that would come in again, you know, we're looking at
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the last stop and it's like, oh, we've been to
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five different doctors this week and four different specialists. And,
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you know, the dog has had this many tests done.
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the 15th person to poke a needle in your dog
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this week. There's a really nice, beautiful park along the
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river across the street. I suggest you go for a walk. Like,
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I'm not going to be 15th person poke and prod
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at your poor animal. They just want to spend time
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with you. Maybe I can offer you something different, but
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I'm not going to be that 15th person to torture
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them right now. I want you to go do something fun.
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So I think, you know, a lot of times they
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can just help us change our mind.
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Yeah. I swear to you, I just talk to her
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or just bend down on the ground and immediately the
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purring starts. I don't even have to say anything. And
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it just, it starts my day right. And I say
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a little prayer on her and then.
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You are part of her clowder. You know what a
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clowder is?
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No.
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It's a group of cats. We have herds. We have flocks.
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We have clowders.
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She abuses me because she's so spoiled. Trust me. So
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you said some things that are problematic words for me.
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And in humans a lot. And I'm going to relate
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it to animals now. So you brought up traditional and
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I always say conventional. And my argument is, is what
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we are told is conventional is actually non-conventional and what's
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traditional should be considered non-traditional.
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You are absolutely right.
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Yes, because it's asked backwards because you're saying something is
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conventional that you're altering and changing from what is truly
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pure and conventional.
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Well, and when we look at Chinese medicine, it is
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called traditional Chinese medicine. So you're right. Traditional medicine, I mean,
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in the veterinary world, traditional medicine is conventional medicine. It's
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drugs and vaccines and prescription diets and bad food. And
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then when we talk about alternative, and again, I don't
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really like the word alternative.
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That stuff should be the alternative. Your last resort should
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be the stuff that's altered and when the the things
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that aren't harming you. Because what happens is, you know this,
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you start taking one thing, then you got to take
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something else to counter that side effects. And before you
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know it, you're on 10 different things.
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My dad was on 30 medications a day for his Parkinson's.
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It was terrible. And none of it was doing anything
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but harming him.
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Yep, exactly. So how bad is it with animals then?
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Is it the same kind of thing? Same thing. Well,
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let's talk about the vaccine schedule on animals. Because you
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kind of fall into this, well, that's just kind of
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what you do. I mean, I did it at first, too.
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And then I started after. And one of the things
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that helped me was talking to you about it. And
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then I started talking to my wife. And I was like,
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what are we doing here?
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I'm teaching everybody the right way to do things as humans.
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Why am I following a schedule for our baby that
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I shouldn't be following?
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Unfortunately, that's the way it is. So when I was
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in school, we were taught every animal gets everything. all
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the vaccines every year. And nobody had looked at the
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science of how long a vaccine lasts or, but it was,
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this is how you get your clients in the door
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every year. You send them a little card that says
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Fluffy's due for shots. that little card should say, hey,
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Fluffy is due for a complete physical examination and some
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diagnostic lab work. That would be a lot more appropriate
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than Fluffy's due for shots. And so we all bought
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into that for so many years because that's just the
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way you did it. It's sort of like all animals
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get spayed and neutered at six months of age. That's
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another conversation because that's the way it's always been done.
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And Suddenly, somebody started looking at maybe those vaccines actually
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last longer. Maybe they don't need them every year. And
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so Dr. Ron Schultz, who's an immunologist, started looking at
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it and started doing testing and said, and he started
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doing this way back in like the 90s, early 90s.
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And he said, oh, how about that? The core vaccines, distemper, parvo, hepatitis,
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they last five to seven years and maybe a lifetime
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for a lot of animals. And yet we're giving them
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every single year. And so titers were developed, which is
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a blood test. And the blood test, you can test
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for distemper, parvo, hepatitis, rabies, and panleukopenia, which is cat distemper.
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And so those are the core vaccines. And we can
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do a blood test that says, hey, look, he's got
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all these antibodies. He doesn't need another vaccine. He's already protected.
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It's sort of like you're either pregnant or not pregnant.
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You can't get more pregnant. You just are. So they're protected.
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Or they're not. Right.
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Holistic veterinarians have been using titers for many years where
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we can say, well, let's do the blood test and
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see if they need something. If they don't need it,
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I'm not going to poke them again. Because when we
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keep poking their immune system with vaccines, the immune system
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after a while says, you know what? I give up.
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I was going to say.
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And we have so much autoimmune disease. The newest one that...
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probably for the last decade, I'm hearing so often, and
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prior to that never saw it, is meningitis of unknown origin.
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So we have brain swelling. My sister's dog developed it
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when he was about a year old. She gave him
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a lot more vaccines than I ever would have done,
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but she does a lot of agility work and show.
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And so here's part of the problem. If your dog
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goes to boarding, grooming, daycare, goes to the show circuit,
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they require vaccines every year. because they haven't been educated.
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So part of the goal around my practice is we
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educated all the boarding centers, all the daycare centers. And
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we said, no, you can take a titer. It'll be fine.
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You don't need to say that they have to be
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vaccinated every year. We're stuck with the rabies problem because
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it's not as big a problem for cats because cats
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don't usually have to be registered with the township or
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the municipality. But you have to license a dog. And
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in order to get a license, you have to show
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proof of rabies vaccine. And that's required every three years.
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And there's very, very few that will accept a titer.
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The other problem that we have is a lot of
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the traditional, conventional, whatever, veterinarians don't want to do titers.
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And if they do them, they're charging $ 500 to do it.
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Or you can pay $ 30 to get the vaccine. And,
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you know, everybody... has a certain budget that they have
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to be within. And when you say, oh, it's going
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to be $ 500 to do the titer, it stops a
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lot of people in their tracks. And so one of
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the things that I discovered with that, one of my
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veterinary friends actually messaged me about six months ago because
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I had done something online talking about doing titers. And
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she said, where are you getting rabies titers for $ 100? Because...
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The lab is charging me $ 450. I don't even mark
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it up for my clients because it's so ridiculously expensive.
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And the thing is, veterinarians don't realize they can send
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directly to Kansas State University Diagnostic Lab. That is where
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the labs send it. So the vet pays the lab.
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The lab pays Kansas.
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They make their money.
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Right. And then the client doubles that. So, you know,
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sometimes they're paying $ 900 for a titer. And it's like, well,
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they could just send it directly to Kansas and it
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would be a lot cheaper. So my friend was like, oh,
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this is amazing. I can lower my price by... You know,
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two thirds.
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So some of them are four and five X-ing it then,
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if not more, right?
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Well, if they're being charged 450 by the lab.
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They're probably, usually it's double.
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So, you know, then it becomes a $ 900 tiger. So
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the thing is you got to bypass the lab. And
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part of the problem is our biggest lab and our
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biggest imaging company was bought by Mars. You know, the
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candy company.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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They also make pet food. They make more money off
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of pet food than they do off their human food.
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And they are buying up the veterinary sector. So they
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own a very large percentage of the veterinary clinics, the
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veterinary lab, the veterinary imaging, and the veterinary specialty centers. Oh, yeah.
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I take a lot of comfort in someone making my
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animal food that makes Snickers.
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Well, and ultra-processed food. Yeah. And where do the waste
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products from the ultra-processed food go? They go to the
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pet food. Because you can't just throw it away. Why
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would you do that? So I just read something the
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other day. 44% of pet food ingredients are upcycled from
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the human food industry. Now, some of that is good upcycling,
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like the liver and kidneys and heart, the organs. That's
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super powerful food and people don't like to eat that. So, okay,
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that's a good thing to go to pet food.
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Great.
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That's upcycling that I like. When you take brewer's waste products,
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like you made beer and then you have the leftover
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spent grains.
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Why is that going to pet food? When you have
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a cow that dies out in the field and it's decaying,
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that goes to pet food because that certainly can't be
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used for human food. Any animals that are sent to
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the slaughterhouse for human food, when they cut out the
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good pieces of meat and if they find a cancerous
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section or a section that doesn't look so good, maybe
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there's some scar tissue that goes in a big vat
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and that goes to pet food. I'm all for recycling,
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but I don't want my pets eating rotten meats. I
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don't want my pets, you know, and they cook it.
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They cook it down in a big vat. They render it.
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And that's their excuse. Well, once we render it, it's fine.
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I'm sorry.
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It was still disgusting, rotten green meat that I don't,
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that's not good nutrition for my pet.
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Let me ask you this. And I know that you
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can only answer this a certain way. I don't know
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what kind of certainty that you have on this or not,
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but that's how possible or impossible is it for the
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people that are in charge of the whole process here
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to not know or to know this whole procedure and
484
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how it goes. They have to know.
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They absolutely a hundred percent know.
486
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Okay. And they just don't care.
487
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So here's the thing. The, the law states that animals
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who died otherwise than by slaughter. So there's animals go
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to slaughter and they're slaughtered for use in food. The
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ones who die otherwise than by slaughter were either euthanized
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or died in the field. You know, they were sick, whatever. Um,
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The law says that those animals that weren't sent to
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slaughter are not allowed to be used for food or
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pet food. And when we questioned FDA about it, they said,
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we choose to ignore that law.
496
00:24:33.130 --> 00:24:34.210
Then why is it a law?
497
00:24:34.890 --> 00:24:37.809
Good question. But they choose to ignore it. And their answer,
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every time we go after them, there's about five or
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00:24:42.069 --> 00:24:44.769
six of us on the consumer side at these meetings
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00:24:44.849 --> 00:24:48.660
against 500 regulatory people. Their answer to us is always, what,
501
00:24:48.700 --> 00:24:52.089
you want it to go to a landfill? So wasteful.
502
00:24:52.670 --> 00:24:56.130
So it's not wasteful to kill people, though. I mean,
503
00:24:56.150 --> 00:24:59.890
because essentially that's what you're slowly at least causing disease
504
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or problems or whatever.
505
00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:05.220
Well, you know, their their answer to it is that
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it's rendered. So, you know, you take the whole cow
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and you throw it in the vat with all the
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other animals that died. It's all thrown into a vat
509
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and it's cooked at high temperatures and it's melted down
510
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into a big goo.
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Whatever.
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And so then they skim off the fat and then
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that fat is used for flavoring and all kinds of
514
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other things in the food, pet food. And then the
515
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:29.769
solids that are left are then dehydrated to make a
516
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meat meal. So if you see an ingredient on a
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pet food label that says meat meal or meat and
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00:25:38.710 --> 00:25:41.210
bone meal, you know that's a rendered product because it
519
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doesn't say it's chicken.
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Or beef.
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It's unknown meat.
522
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Magic meat.
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00:25:46.509 --> 00:25:46.710
Yeah.
524
00:25:47.789 --> 00:25:50.170
Okay. Well, we're getting a bigger picture of how things
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00:25:50.230 --> 00:25:51.109
actually happen here.
526
00:25:51.329 --> 00:25:53.549
The other things that go in there, so when you
527
00:25:53.569 --> 00:25:58.609
throw the whole cow in there, most commercial cattle have
528
00:25:59.049 --> 00:26:01.750
plastic ear tags that may or may not have pesticides
529
00:26:01.809 --> 00:26:02.490
embedded in them.
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00:26:02.589 --> 00:26:03.109
Right.
531
00:26:03.690 --> 00:26:08.069
Most of them have some hardware inside their stomach because cows...
532
00:26:08.289 --> 00:26:11.599
And farms tend to like eat up screws and bolts
533
00:26:11.660 --> 00:26:14.200
and nails and whatever is laying around the farmyard. It's
534
00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:17.240
just what they do. Cows are prone to something called
535
00:26:17.309 --> 00:26:19.750
hardware disease, where they basically have all these pieces of
536
00:26:19.789 --> 00:26:22.509
hardware floating around in their stomach. And the way that
537
00:26:22.690 --> 00:26:24.759
I learned this in high school when I was riding
538
00:26:24.779 --> 00:26:26.940
with a farm animal vet, it was so cool. The
539
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:29.980
way that they treat it, because it causes GI distress
540
00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:32.799
in the cows and they go off feed, they bolus
541
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:35.950
down their throat these big magnets. And so the magnet
542
00:26:35.990 --> 00:26:38.329
sits in the middle of the stomach and all the
543
00:26:38.490 --> 00:26:44.380
metal clings onto it. So when you make these rendered products,
544
00:26:44.829 --> 00:26:46.930
that's in there, too, because the whole cow went in.
545
00:26:47.029 --> 00:26:49.609
So you've got plastic pieces. You've got, you know, if
546
00:26:49.630 --> 00:26:52.690
they had a chain on, you've got whatever's in their stomach.
547
00:26:53.349 --> 00:26:56.720
So when the food is made, part of the equipment,
548
00:26:56.740 --> 00:26:58.559
and you can see this on YouTube, just look up
549
00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:02.160
how dried kibble pet food is made. Part of the
550
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:07.480
machinery is these big magnets. And the magnets pull any
551
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:11.920
pieces of metal out of the meat meal that's going
552
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.539
in for processing. And we've talked to people who work
553
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:16.069
in the plants and they're like, oh, yeah, we have
554
00:27:16.089 --> 00:27:19.089
to clean those magnets every day. They're so full of metal.
555
00:27:19.289 --> 00:27:22.490
But the problem is nothing pulls plastic out. So any
556
00:27:22.529 --> 00:27:24.490
plastic pieces get ground up.
557
00:27:24.490 --> 00:27:26.009
Yeah, that's so dangerous.
558
00:27:26.109 --> 00:27:31.539
And there's so many traditional veterinarians. There's one nutritionist. veterinary
559
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:34.500
wannabe nutritionist who is going to go after me because
560
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:36.769
she sees every podcast and then does a whole bunch
561
00:27:36.849 --> 00:27:40.150
of videos about how I'm wrong and the FDA would
562
00:27:40.190 --> 00:27:42.970
never allow this. So one of the things that I
563
00:27:43.009 --> 00:27:45.569
have said that she's gone after me is that the
564
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head of the largest rendering association in the country gave
565
00:27:50.410 --> 00:27:54.089
the keynote speech at the animal feed control official meeting
566
00:27:54.109 --> 00:27:56.309
a few years ago. In his keynote speech, he said
567
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it is almost impossible to have a rendered product that
568
00:27:58.930 --> 00:28:03.640
does not have euthanasia solution in it. Because those animals
569
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that died otherwise than by slaughter, a few of them
570
00:28:05.859 --> 00:28:08.880
with euthanasia solution might have snuck in there. And there
571
00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:12.549
have been recalls for euthanasia solution in pet food. There
572
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.089
have been announcements made that, yes, we found some euthanasia
573
00:28:16.109 --> 00:28:19.170
in this pet food. And again, FDA will say it's
574
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not enough for it to be actionable.
575
00:28:22.329 --> 00:28:23.809
And how often do they not find it?
576
00:28:25.069 --> 00:28:26.549
I don't think they test very often.
577
00:28:26.609 --> 00:28:27.130
There you go.
578
00:28:27.289 --> 00:28:29.289
So the other problem that we have, and there was
579
00:28:29.349 --> 00:28:31.470
a lawsuit, so I'm going to give you the lawsuit
580
00:28:31.549 --> 00:28:33.569
so that this person can't come after me and I
581
00:28:33.609 --> 00:28:36.289
can say, well, no, it's true, is the DNA of
582
00:28:36.410 --> 00:28:39.089
animals that are in that chemical soup. So Rachel Ray
583
00:28:39.130 --> 00:28:42.490
Nutrish was sued in 2023 because there was dog DNA
584
00:28:42.529 --> 00:28:43.630
and horse DNA in there.
585
00:28:45.150 --> 00:28:46.089
Really? Yeah.
586
00:28:47.230 --> 00:28:50.549
So it's real. Other animals do end up in there.
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00:28:51.089 --> 00:28:54.309
And the thing is, nobody does that. Like, Who's going
588
00:28:54.329 --> 00:28:57.890
to spend the money to do DNA testing on dry
589
00:28:57.910 --> 00:28:58.289
pet food?
590
00:28:58.329 --> 00:29:01.170
Yeah, there's only so much you can test so often.
591
00:29:01.410 --> 00:29:01.589
Right.
592
00:29:01.670 --> 00:29:02.990
It's really random.
593
00:29:03.109 --> 00:29:05.049
I would love to just randomly go pull a bunch
594
00:29:05.069 --> 00:29:06.529
of food off the shelf and send it out for
595
00:29:06.569 --> 00:29:09.299
testing and do the DNA testing and do the Pentabard testing.
596
00:29:10.450 --> 00:29:11.970
We had a pet food problem a few years ago
597
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.839
and I spent $ 20, 000 testing pet food trying to find
598
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.420
what was causing the problem. And basically I spent $ 20, 000
599
00:29:17.980 --> 00:29:21.539
and couldn't find the issue. And that's just really frustrating.
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00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:25.109
But I think if, you know, If somebody wanted to
601
00:29:25.450 --> 00:29:29.099
spend some money and start DNA testing and testing for
602
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:31.220
euthanasia solution, I think we would find a lot more
603
00:29:31.259 --> 00:29:32.519
than we would like to.
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00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.210
See, here's the problem. You would think that most people
605
00:29:37.250 --> 00:29:40.500
would genuinely want to know. And if there's... any time
606
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.619
there's smoke, there's probably fire. And when you find a
607
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:46.049
little bit of smoke, I'm searching for the fire because
608
00:29:46.109 --> 00:29:48.950
I'm 99 percent of the time it's there. There's always that.
609
00:29:50.019 --> 00:29:51.960
Well, and we also like to think that these pet
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00:29:51.980 --> 00:29:55.309
food plants are really clean and beautiful and pristine. They
611
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.089
are not. And so there was a great thing that
612
00:29:58.150 --> 00:29:59.730
had to be 10 or 12 years ago now. FDA
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00:30:00.269 --> 00:30:02.890
went in and did an inspection in a pet food
614
00:30:02.950 --> 00:30:06.509
plant in Missouri, and there was a huge hole in
615
00:30:06.549 --> 00:30:09.369
the roof. Where, you know, birds are flying in and
616
00:30:09.670 --> 00:30:12.240
out and bird droppings. And, you know, it's over the
617
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.420
food vats. And when we questioned FDA, it was in
618
00:30:15.460 --> 00:30:18.180
their report. And we questioned about it like, you know,
619
00:30:18.819 --> 00:30:21.079
it's like going to rain and there's going to be mold.
620
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:23.789
And they're like, well, it wasn't raining that day. That's
621
00:30:23.829 --> 00:30:24.440
a great excuse.
622
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:26.869
This is the thing, too, because I've ran into this
623
00:30:27.109 --> 00:30:29.369
so often is a lot of the times this stuff
624
00:30:29.410 --> 00:30:31.829
is sitting right out there for anybody to read. It's
625
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:33.990
literally like a slap in the face because it's just
626
00:30:34.029 --> 00:30:36.069
sitting there for you, but it's buried into all this
627
00:30:36.130 --> 00:30:40.349
other jargon and nonsense within a synopsis of writing. So
628
00:30:40.369 --> 00:30:41.930
you don't even know where to find it, but it's there.
629
00:30:42.250 --> 00:30:42.609
Oh, it is.
630
00:30:42.630 --> 00:30:43.289
It's all there.
631
00:30:43.450 --> 00:30:45.930
If somebody wanted to dig in or do a FOIA
632
00:30:46.329 --> 00:30:50.559
and get the inspection reports because they they're supposed to
633
00:30:50.579 --> 00:30:54.460
do kind of regular inspections once or twice a year,
634
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:58.759
but generally they will only inspect if there's a complaint lodged.
635
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.000
And I mean, There are reports, if you want to
636
00:31:02.019 --> 00:31:04.940
have some really fun reading, you know, where the cockroaches
637
00:31:05.019 --> 00:31:09.440
were just out of control. Cockroaches everywhere. And it's like,
638
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:11.250
you need to remedy this. And then they don't go
639
00:31:11.329 --> 00:31:14.869
back for six months or a year. The same thing
640
00:31:14.910 --> 00:31:20.410
happens in human health. My dad was in a facility
641
00:31:20.509 --> 00:31:23.250
for his Parkinson's, supposed to be getting PT. It never happened.
642
00:31:23.930 --> 00:31:26.910
And I lodged a complaint with the state. And I said,
643
00:31:26.930 --> 00:31:28.829
when was the last time there was an inspection? And
644
00:31:28.849 --> 00:31:31.470
it had been over 400 days since there had been
645
00:31:31.509 --> 00:31:34.730
an inspection. When they went in and did one, there
646
00:31:34.769 --> 00:31:38.049
were a lot of fines levied. But, you know, again,
647
00:31:38.210 --> 00:31:40.549
they only did it because I complained. And so it's
648
00:31:40.569 --> 00:31:41.130
the same thing.
649
00:31:41.869 --> 00:31:45.890
You know, anybody watching and that has like issue with this,
650
00:31:45.950 --> 00:31:49.029
I just want to say something in fairness. I don't
651
00:31:49.069 --> 00:31:52.880
attack anybody and you clearly don't either. But. When you're
652
00:31:52.940 --> 00:31:55.779
looking at something and there's facts there, and then you
653
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:58.380
come on the attack, you make yourself look very bad.
654
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:01.440
You make yourself look like you're hiding something as opposed
655
00:32:01.500 --> 00:32:04.069
to looking at it and going, there may be a
656
00:32:04.109 --> 00:32:04.720
problem here.
657
00:32:05.140 --> 00:32:08.029
It's fine to have your beliefs at your side.
658
00:32:08.309 --> 00:32:11.609
Totally fine. We all deserve that. That's free will. But
659
00:32:11.750 --> 00:32:13.690
you should always have an open mind, as I'm sure
660
00:32:13.750 --> 00:32:16.490
you do on conventional things that you may have missed.
661
00:32:16.750 --> 00:32:19.650
Conventional things. Things that maybe don't coincide with you. You
662
00:32:19.690 --> 00:32:22.289
always look and see things. That's what I always do.
663
00:32:22.349 --> 00:32:24.470
And I stay straight down the middle. But like I said,
664
00:32:24.509 --> 00:32:28.210
when something is is off, there's a reason for it. So,
665
00:32:28.430 --> 00:32:31.829
you know, don't when you argue about something or you
666
00:32:32.390 --> 00:32:36.609
want to challenge something you say, I say do it
667
00:32:36.970 --> 00:32:40.819
with class, with dignity and show facts and then present it.
668
00:32:40.869 --> 00:32:42.410
And then we can have a back and forth and
669
00:32:42.470 --> 00:32:44.690
see who's on to what. And then maybe you may
670
00:32:44.730 --> 00:32:47.710
learn something or maybe the opposite side may learn something.
671
00:32:48.190 --> 00:32:50.150
It would be nice. I mean, not all pet food
672
00:32:50.190 --> 00:32:53.750
is bad. There are so many good companies, but most
673
00:32:53.769 --> 00:32:55.809
of the good companies are the smaller companies because they
674
00:32:55.849 --> 00:32:58.660
want to do the right thing. And, you know, right now,
675
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:00.539
I'm a huge fan of.
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00:33:00.700 --> 00:33:01.339
Raw pet food.
677
00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:03.619
I've been a raw feeder for 25 years. I've never
678
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.200
had a problem. Most of my patients were fed raw food.
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00:33:06.769 --> 00:33:11.730
But the CDC, AVMA, AHA... And the veterinary industry in
680
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:15.819
general is very against raw feeding. You'll kill your whole family.
681
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.059
I mean, you walk into veterinary clinics and there's big
682
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:21.299
signs on the wall. We recommend or we are very
683
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:23.799
against raw feeding. Do not feed raw. You know, your
684
00:33:23.819 --> 00:33:27.599
family will die of bacterial contamination. Well, clearly we're still here.
685
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.359
So I'm fine if people want to use gently cooked food.
686
00:33:30.700 --> 00:33:34.339
But what I want to see is I want ingredients
687
00:33:34.619 --> 00:33:37.609
that I know what they are. Like, I want to
688
00:33:37.650 --> 00:33:40.049
be able to read the label and it doesn't look
689
00:33:40.170 --> 00:33:42.430
like a science experiment. I was going to say, you
690
00:33:42.470 --> 00:33:44.759
don't want a Cheesecake Factory menu label.
691
00:33:44.819 --> 00:33:48.000
Like, you're not good with 35,000 things on there that
692
00:33:48.019 --> 00:33:49.589
you don't know what the hell they are.
693
00:33:50.019 --> 00:33:53.910
We've seen a huge shift in about the last decade.
694
00:33:54.539 --> 00:33:57.960
where all of these really good smaller companies are coming on,
695
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.579
doing the right thing. And, you know, a lot of
696
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.900
these are companies that are doing under $ 5 million a year.
697
00:34:03.059 --> 00:34:05.839
Yes, but you know this, when you mass produce anything,
698
00:34:05.980 --> 00:34:08.380
I went through this for years with protein powders and
699
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.820
all different kinds of supplements. There has to be multitudes
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00:34:11.860 --> 00:34:14.550
of corners cut to spend the kind of money that
701
00:34:14.570 --> 00:34:16.449
you have to spend to mass produce. So when you're
702
00:34:16.469 --> 00:34:19.949
mass producing, you're cutting costs all the way around. So
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00:34:20.150 --> 00:34:23.030
it becomes this we could probably throw that in there instead.
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00:34:23.070 --> 00:34:24.820
And by the time you're done, there's like 10 things
705
00:34:24.860 --> 00:34:27.739
in there that have been changed. So the smaller companies
706
00:34:27.780 --> 00:34:29.739
are always better, but the problem they run into is
707
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.889
they can't afford... to keep up?
708
00:34:32.090 --> 00:34:34.849
It's really hard for them. And actually, some of them
709
00:34:34.889 --> 00:34:37.429
are struggling with they're growing so fast right now. They
710
00:34:37.489 --> 00:34:40.809
can't keep up. They can't get in new factories. I
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00:34:41.170 --> 00:34:44.550
have good friends that own a pet food company, and
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00:34:44.869 --> 00:34:48.170
they invested $ 2 million just to get started. They need
713
00:34:48.190 --> 00:34:51.739
to invest another $ 5 million to increase the size of
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00:34:51.780 --> 00:34:57.130
their plant, increase their line. There's not that big a
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00:34:57.190 --> 00:34:59.840
margin in pet food. And you have to do it
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00:35:00.059 --> 00:35:02.539
because you have a love, like to do it right,
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00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:04.019
you have to do it because you have a love
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00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.239
for the animals. And one of the things I would say,
719
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:09.840
if you see a company that is advertising on TV
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00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:14.269
all the time, they're spending millions of dollars on advertising.
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That's why you don't see these smaller companies advertising. They
722
00:35:16.750 --> 00:35:19.829
don't have that kind of advertising money. You know, theirs
723
00:35:19.909 --> 00:35:22.989
is word of mouth. Theirs is, you know, getting a
724
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friendly with influencers. You know, they've got to do it
725
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without putting out millions of dollars. So like on my website,
726
00:35:30.659 --> 00:35:33.260
you can download the list of foods that I'm willing
727
00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:35.869
to feed my own animals. It's not an exhaustive list.
728
00:35:36.469 --> 00:35:42.449
A more exhaustive list, Susan Thixton on truthaboutpetfood.com. She researches
729
00:35:42.550 --> 00:35:44.969
every year. A company can't buy their way on her list.
730
00:35:45.010 --> 00:35:47.530
They actually have to send in all of their receipts
731
00:35:48.010 --> 00:35:52.179
for every ingredient that they bought all year long. where
732
00:35:52.219 --> 00:35:55.369
it comes from, is it humanely raised, is it organic,
733
00:35:55.869 --> 00:35:59.489
and then if everything meets her criteria, then it can
734
00:35:59.510 --> 00:36:00.090
go on her list.
735
00:36:00.750 --> 00:36:04.170
Lesson for people listening here, and this comes from 20
736
00:36:04.170 --> 00:36:06.869
years of experience of understanding how this works, and it
737
00:36:06.909 --> 00:36:12.659
goes on everywhere. The places that have the biggest names
738
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.039
that spend the most money on marketing spend all their money,
739
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:18.389
like you said, on acquiring the customers. which allows them
740
00:36:18.650 --> 00:36:21.110
to show you millions of dollars of sales, but they've
741
00:36:21.130 --> 00:36:23.230
spent so much money in marketing and it's all tricky
742
00:36:23.269 --> 00:36:27.619
because what they do is people create review sites, for instance,
743
00:36:28.139 --> 00:36:30.300
and then they go to these big companies and say, hey,
744
00:36:30.820 --> 00:36:33.079
you pay us X amount, we'll put you number one
745
00:36:33.139 --> 00:36:35.440
or two. I've been dealing with this forever in supplements.
746
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:37.760
The top five laundry detergent.
747
00:36:37.780 --> 00:36:38.639
Yeah. Yeah.
748
00:36:38.739 --> 00:36:40.019
How much did it cost each of them to get
749
00:36:40.059 --> 00:36:40.440
on that list?
750
00:36:40.460 --> 00:36:40.840
That's it.
751
00:36:40.909 --> 00:36:42.829
And you see the same structure and the same names.
752
00:36:42.849 --> 00:36:44.530
And then all of a sudden, you know what? I
753
00:36:44.590 --> 00:36:47.730
really learned this. This will kill you. was researching Christmas
754
00:36:47.769 --> 00:36:50.329
presents one year for my wife and my mom, where
755
00:36:50.369 --> 00:36:52.590
I saw it's the same thing over and over. And
756
00:36:52.610 --> 00:36:55.949
it's always like men's health GQ. And they're, they're sponsored
757
00:36:55.989 --> 00:36:57.650
paid when you read at the bottom. And then you
758
00:36:57.690 --> 00:36:59.650
see this one obscure one and you're like, wait a minute,
759
00:36:59.690 --> 00:37:01.659
what the hell, what is all of this? And then
760
00:37:01.699 --> 00:37:03.679
I started to look and I go, that's the stuff
761
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:05.559
I'm buying. That's what I'm going to try. And it,
762
00:37:05.659 --> 00:37:07.739
and it always damn near hit every time for me.
763
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:10.980
So that's what, but it relates to what you're talking about.
764
00:37:11.219 --> 00:37:14.559
And a lot of these smaller companies, they, They rely
765
00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:17.920
heavily on word of mouth and people that are really
766
00:37:17.980 --> 00:37:21.960
transparent and honest about their experiences. And so it takes
767
00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:24.699
people like you and to put them in your clinics and...
768
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:27.630
Because that's the other problem. The vets that you go to,
769
00:37:27.710 --> 00:37:31.829
they're obviously, it's kind of like humans with medications. The
770
00:37:31.869 --> 00:37:34.710
insurance companies drop them if they don't write enough scripts. Well,
771
00:37:35.130 --> 00:37:37.570
they also have what they're paid for to have in
772
00:37:37.590 --> 00:37:39.320
their clinic. Same scenario, right?
773
00:37:39.539 --> 00:37:43.329
The veterinarians... A lot of their education, and particularly their
774
00:37:43.369 --> 00:37:47.719
continuing education, is funded by Big Pharma and Big Pet Food.
775
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.820
So the big three pet food companies are Mars, Nestle, Purina,
776
00:37:50.940 --> 00:37:55.539
and Hills, which is owned by Colgate-Palmolive. But Mars and
777
00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:00.329
Purina each sell like $ 23 billion worth of pet food
778
00:38:00.349 --> 00:38:03.469
a year. And then Colgate-Palmolive, which is Hills, comes in
779
00:38:03.489 --> 00:38:06.440
at like $ 6 billion. So there's a huge difference. So
780
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:10.800
basically kind of owned by those two big guys. And
781
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:12.860
now that Mars is buying up all the veterinary clinics
782
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:16.059
as well, well, if you make pet food and you
783
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.630
own the veterinary clinic, what do the veterinarians have to sell? No,
784
00:38:20.670 --> 00:38:22.710
there's no conflict of interest there at all.
785
00:38:22.730 --> 00:38:26.190
And then they go in and educate them on why
786
00:38:26.210 --> 00:38:29.570
it's superior and so much better, right? Their education.
787
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:35.010
And, you know, unfortunately... nutrition education for veterinarians is very
788
00:38:35.070 --> 00:38:37.590
limited and they're kind of like you know med school
789
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.539
for doctors very very limited so like I went to
790
00:38:40.579 --> 00:38:43.019
University of Illinois and I graduated in the Age of
791
00:38:43.059 --> 00:38:45.949
Dinosaurs was a long time ago. But we didn't even
792
00:38:45.989 --> 00:38:48.829
have a nutrition course in vet school. In order to
793
00:38:48.909 --> 00:38:51.489
get into vet school, you had to have had a
794
00:38:51.550 --> 00:38:54.909
nutrition course, which is mostly livestock nutrition because I had
795
00:38:54.929 --> 00:38:57.469
it in undergrad. And anybody who didn't already have that
796
00:38:57.530 --> 00:38:59.420
course had to take it in summer school before we
797
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:04.019
started class. So we are not taught how to formulate
798
00:39:04.300 --> 00:39:06.780
a homemade diet for a dog or a cat. We're
799
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.039
not taught how to formulate a commercial diet. So they
800
00:39:10.539 --> 00:39:13.510
don't have the knowledge base to do that. So you
801
00:39:13.570 --> 00:39:15.300
as a pet owner, if you come in and say, hey,
802
00:39:15.340 --> 00:39:17.730
I want to make my cats food, they're going to
803
00:39:17.750 --> 00:39:19.710
say you can't do that. There's no way you can
804
00:39:19.730 --> 00:39:23.070
make that balanced and complete. Your cat will die. Here,
805
00:39:23.170 --> 00:39:25.869
you have to use this because it's complete and balanced.
806
00:39:26.369 --> 00:39:31.170
Funny thing, in 2017 or 2019, and tested them to
807
00:39:31.210 --> 00:39:43.059
see whether they met the the minimum standards for requirements
808
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:46.559
in vitamins and minerals, amino acids, all that. And 94%
809
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:48.820
of the canned foods were not complete and balanced, even
810
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:50.900
though it said it on the label. And over 60%
811
00:39:50.900 --> 00:39:53.300
of the dry foods were not complete and balanced. So
812
00:39:53.780 --> 00:39:57.500
how can we as veterinarians say the only complete and
813
00:39:57.539 --> 00:40:00.519
balanced foods are the ones made by these big companies
814
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:02.219
when we go and test them and go.
815
00:40:02.860 --> 00:40:05.780
We're not. And then what they do is then they
816
00:40:05.820 --> 00:40:07.420
put all of this out there. If you don't have
817
00:40:07.460 --> 00:40:09.300
our credentials, you're a quack and you don't know what
818
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:12.590
you're talking about. Well, here's an example. When the whole
819
00:40:12.670 --> 00:40:15.469
low-fat craze was the 90s, 2000s, and I was in
820
00:40:15.510 --> 00:40:17.820
school learning about that, putting the fear of God into me,
821
00:40:17.889 --> 00:40:21.619
and in all actuality, realizing that was killing people in
822
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:23.820
multitudes of ways. And that's the same thing that you're
823
00:40:23.860 --> 00:40:27.420
talking about with animals. It's the same exact thing. Yep.
824
00:40:27.659 --> 00:40:30.519
They're teaching you this one-way street that makes no sense,
825
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:32.360
and then when they find out it's wrong, they'll never
826
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:32.920
admit it's wrong.
827
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:33.139
Right.
828
00:40:33.699 --> 00:40:33.980
Never.
829
00:40:34.179 --> 00:40:37.639
Right. Prescription diets, the only ones that are allowed to
830
00:40:37.659 --> 00:40:41.360
be called prescription diets are made by Hills because Hills
831
00:40:41.780 --> 00:40:45.519
trademarked that term with the veterinarians way back when. Funny thing,
832
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:49.300
Hills packaging started out as Hills Rendering.
833
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.809
Has that always been owned by Palmolive?
834
00:40:53.190 --> 00:40:57.769
No, it's switched ownership a couple of times. But the
835
00:40:57.789 --> 00:41:02.710
whole Hills thing started because a veterinarian in New Jersey
836
00:41:03.260 --> 00:41:06.300
designed a kidney diet for a seeing eye dog because
837
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:10.070
the seeing eye places in Jersey where they train. And
838
00:41:10.090 --> 00:41:13.130
so he designed this kidney diet for this seeing eye dog.
839
00:41:13.789 --> 00:41:16.250
And then he said, oh, we could commercialize this. And
840
00:41:16.269 --> 00:41:19.050
he went to Hills Rendering and they became Hills Packaging.
841
00:41:19.070 --> 00:41:22.070
And then they basically colluded with the veterinarians and said, hey,
842
00:41:22.110 --> 00:41:23.869
this will be a prescription diet. You have to write
843
00:41:23.889 --> 00:41:25.389
a prescription for people to get it and they can
844
00:41:25.409 --> 00:41:28.659
only buy it from you. So now there are a
845
00:41:28.699 --> 00:41:33.179
lot of other companies that make therapeutic diets but they
846
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:35.400
can't be called even though they still require a prescription
847
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:38.769
yeah but there is absolutely nothing prescriptive about them there
848
00:41:38.849 --> 00:41:41.929
is no medication in there there is no magic sauce
849
00:41:41.989 --> 00:41:47.010
in there oh i know they are basically overpriced versions
850
00:41:47.110 --> 00:41:49.099
of the same thing that you can like if you
851
00:41:49.659 --> 00:41:55.809
compare the over-the-counter cat urinary tract health kibble which by
852
00:41:55.829 --> 00:41:57.530
the way cats should never eat kibble we can talk
853
00:41:57.550 --> 00:42:00.909
about that but if you compare that one to the
854
00:42:01.090 --> 00:42:04.789
prescription one that the veterinarian sells the ingredients are really
855
00:42:04.829 --> 00:42:07.750
really really similar but this one costs twice as much
856
00:42:07.809 --> 00:42:09.219
as this one and you have to go get it
857
00:42:09.260 --> 00:42:13.239
from your vet every month what a what a great
858
00:42:13.619 --> 00:42:17.519
scam and prescription diets are like any other prescription A
859
00:42:17.539 --> 00:42:20.179
prescription is meant to be used short term. These diets
860
00:42:20.380 --> 00:42:23.639
don't have long term feeding trials. Like nobody ever put
861
00:42:23.659 --> 00:42:25.940
a bunch of beagles in a room and said, hey,
862
00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:27.969
we're going to feed them only this prescription diet for
863
00:42:27.989 --> 00:42:30.809
the next 10 years and see what happens. Nobody's ever
864
00:42:30.829 --> 00:42:33.690
done that. They're not meant to be fed long term.
865
00:42:33.730 --> 00:42:35.690
They're meant to be fed short term to solve a
866
00:42:35.730 --> 00:42:38.210
problem just like a prescription would do. But we see
867
00:42:38.230 --> 00:42:40.289
the same problem with prescriptions here. We'll put them on
868
00:42:40.309 --> 00:42:42.030
it and he'll be on it for life. That's great.
869
00:42:42.550 --> 00:42:44.610
Oh, boy. OK, we've got some stuff to unpack here.
870
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:48.300
Go to the kibble stuff because that clearly... I think
871
00:42:48.659 --> 00:42:52.219
one of the most confusing things with pets is feeding them. Yeah.
872
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:53.820
What to, what not to.
873
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.320
It is the number one question that pet owners have.
874
00:42:56.409 --> 00:42:56.590
Yeah.
875
00:42:56.610 --> 00:42:58.610
It's the best thing because everybody knows food's the foundation
876
00:42:58.630 --> 00:43:01.409
of life. Without good food, you're... No, I... Everything goes
877
00:43:01.449 --> 00:43:01.909
down the tubes.
878
00:43:02.070 --> 00:43:04.530
I've spent more, I think, studying in a couple of
879
00:43:04.550 --> 00:43:07.269
years than I did as a nutritionist, 20 years just
880
00:43:07.369 --> 00:43:08.690
for her because I'm lost.
881
00:43:08.750 --> 00:43:13.739
Yeah. And the problem is you go on social media
882
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:15.539
and you ask, and then you go to your veterinarian
883
00:43:15.579 --> 00:43:17.449
and ask, and then you go to your friends and ask,
884
00:43:17.489 --> 00:43:18.570
and everybody gives you a different answer.
885
00:43:18.630 --> 00:43:19.130
Everybody.
886
00:43:19.389 --> 00:43:21.489
So the veterinarians, you can say, oh, kibble is fine.
887
00:43:21.650 --> 00:43:25.329
It's made by board-certified veterinary nutritionists by these big pet
888
00:43:25.349 --> 00:43:27.260
food companies that balance it and make sure it's fine.
889
00:43:27.460 --> 00:43:27.840
No, they don't.
890
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.380
It might look good on paper. So the problem with
891
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.860
all of our animals is... Let's look at what they
892
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:37.039
would eat in the wild. What is a species appropriate diet?
893
00:43:37.059 --> 00:43:38.960
So what's a cat supposed to eat and what's a
894
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.019
dog supposed to eat? Your cat is supposed to eat
895
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.840
mice and birds and it's supposed to eat the whole thing.
896
00:43:45.219 --> 00:43:47.389
Like they might leave, like I watch our outdoor cats,
897
00:43:47.429 --> 00:43:49.369
I see what they eat. There might be a feather
898
00:43:49.389 --> 00:43:51.690
left and there might be a little bit of intestines left.
899
00:43:52.230 --> 00:43:57.840
Everything else goes down. But cats are obligate carnivores. They're meatasauruses.
900
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.500
They're like little velociraptors that need to have their meat.
901
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:04.719
And when we feed them dry kibble, it's at least
902
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:08.340
50% carbohydrates because you can't make it stick into a
903
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:11.440
kibble without that. Otherwise, it just falls apart and gunks
904
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:13.880
up the machine. So when you buy a dry kibble
905
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:16.579
by one of the big companies, it's maybe going to
906
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:19.619
be 30% meat. Well, that's not species appropriate for a cat.
907
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.300
Cats also are desert animals, and they don't drink very much.
908
00:44:23.809 --> 00:44:26.130
So when we feed them a food that is only
909
00:44:26.130 --> 00:44:29.409
6% moisture, where are they getting the rest of their
910
00:44:29.449 --> 00:44:33.469
moisture from? It's coming from their body because they don't
911
00:44:33.610 --> 00:44:35.409
drink very much. So we end up with a bunch
912
00:44:35.659 --> 00:44:38.639
of old, shriveled up, dried up kidney failure cats when
913
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:42.139
they're old because we've fed them completely wrong. And you'll
914
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:44.280
notice if you have cats that are fed dry food,
915
00:44:44.420 --> 00:44:46.840
they're going to drink a lot more. One of the
916
00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:48.260
things that people tell me all the time is I
917
00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:51.849
switch my cat to a canned food or to... a
918
00:44:51.949 --> 00:44:53.969
raw food or a gently cooked food. They're not drinking
919
00:44:54.010 --> 00:44:55.469
any water. How do I get them to drink water?
920
00:44:55.510 --> 00:44:57.090
I'm like, they don't need to. It's in their food.
921
00:44:57.110 --> 00:45:00.650
And that's what they're supposed to eat. For our dogs,
922
00:45:00.849 --> 00:45:05.039
they're not complete carnivores. They're more omnivorous. They're sort of
923
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.920
a facultative carnivore. And could a cat survive on a
924
00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:12.639
vegetarian diet? Not very well. I would not see vegetarian
925
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:14.820
cats in my practice. I fired those clients if they
926
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:16.570
wouldn't change their diet because I knew they were going
927
00:45:16.590 --> 00:45:21.239
to die a horrible death of heart failure or... chronic infections,
928
00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:24.780
or it's just bad news. You can't replace what mother
929
00:45:24.900 --> 00:45:29.719
nature gives with a bunch of synthetics and expect it
930
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.639
to have the same results. So don't please, if you
931
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:34.840
want to be a vegetarian and you want a vegetarian pet,
932
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:37.519
get a rabbit, get a guinea pig, don't get a cat.
933
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:42.320
A dog will survive better, but it's not ideal for them.
934
00:45:42.469 --> 00:45:44.969
We do have some holistic veterinarians now who are really
935
00:45:45.050 --> 00:45:48.670
promoting vegetarian diets for dogs. They're saying it because they
936
00:45:48.690 --> 00:45:51.030
want to save the planet. And if we would go
937
00:45:51.070 --> 00:45:54.269
back to regenerative farming and raise our farm animals appropriately,
938
00:45:54.329 --> 00:45:57.130
we wouldn't have a problem and, you know, don't need
939
00:45:57.150 --> 00:46:00.800
to do that. Different conversation. For our dogs, again, if
940
00:46:00.860 --> 00:46:03.639
you feed dry kibble to them, you're feeding them about
941
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:08.159
50% carbohydrates. It is really bad for their teeth. One
942
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:10.840
of the myths is that dry kibble keeps their teeth clean.
943
00:46:11.030 --> 00:46:13.139
It does not. That would be like your dentist saying, here,
944
00:46:13.179 --> 00:46:15.070
eat crackers all day. Don't ever brush your teeth. They'll
945
00:46:15.090 --> 00:46:18.469
be fine. Not so good. And when we look at
946
00:46:18.550 --> 00:46:21.469
the requirements that AFCO lays out for how much protein
947
00:46:21.510 --> 00:46:23.690
they need, how much fat they need, how much carbohydrates
948
00:46:23.730 --> 00:46:25.650
they need, under carbs, it says zero.
949
00:46:26.489 --> 00:46:26.769
Wow.
950
00:46:27.170 --> 00:46:32.010
They have zero requirement. So if we give our dogs
951
00:46:32.070 --> 00:46:35.690
and cats free choice to choose how much protein, fat,
952
00:46:36.230 --> 00:46:39.679
and fiber they want in their diet, they will pretty
953
00:46:39.699 --> 00:46:44.610
much across the board choose protein around 50%, fat around 45%.
954
00:46:44.610 --> 00:46:48.369
And the AFCO requirements are, I think, 18% for dogs
955
00:46:48.590 --> 00:46:54.789
and 22% for cats, maybe 26%. But they're basically saying, hey,
956
00:46:54.829 --> 00:46:56.730
we can get away with a lot less protein because
957
00:46:56.769 --> 00:46:58.409
what's the most expensive thing to put in the food?
958
00:46:58.550 --> 00:46:58.989
The protein.
959
00:46:59.010 --> 00:46:59.510
The protein.
960
00:46:59.780 --> 00:47:03.389
So who created those numbers? Who knows, right? AFCO. OK,
961
00:47:03.570 --> 00:47:05.969
so it's just it's just a created number. Right.
962
00:47:06.550 --> 00:47:08.719
It's sort of like what can they survive on?
963
00:47:08.780 --> 00:47:09.019
Yeah.
964
00:47:09.260 --> 00:47:11.400
And so do you want your animal to survive or
965
00:47:11.420 --> 00:47:12.139
do you want them to thrive?
966
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:14.659
It's just like what I see because I do blood
967
00:47:14.699 --> 00:47:18.880
panels for humans 15 years and it's. The gap just
968
00:47:18.889 --> 00:47:20.760
keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. I was just
969
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:23.139
having a discussion on average. I said, I want them
970
00:47:23.179 --> 00:47:26.119
to be optimal. Average is what is going on right now,
971
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:27.780
and it's getting shittier by the day.
972
00:47:28.059 --> 00:47:30.280
Well, and they just keep changing the numbers around. So
973
00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:32.519
it's like, oh, well, the cholesterol level that we want,
974
00:47:32.539 --> 00:47:34.280
it keeps getting lower so that we get more people
975
00:47:34.340 --> 00:47:34.880
on statins.
976
00:47:34.980 --> 00:47:39.039
Yes, same. Exactly. That is actually, I have all of
977
00:47:39.099 --> 00:47:41.969
this stuff that just got sent to me today showing
978
00:47:42.030 --> 00:47:43.909
that the people that have the higher cholesterol live longer.
979
00:47:44.570 --> 00:47:46.670
I have a whole flow of data. I'm going to
980
00:47:46.690 --> 00:47:50.900
live forever then. Yeah. We have a dairy cow and
981
00:47:50.940 --> 00:47:53.099
it's A2 milk and we drink raw milk. Yeah.
982
00:47:53.179 --> 00:47:54.179
Eat all the cheese.
983
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:56.820
So, oh yeah, I know. Come arrest me right now.
984
00:47:57.179 --> 00:47:58.380
Here comes the milk police.
985
00:47:58.420 --> 00:48:01.710
The milk police in North Carolina. But it is full fat.
986
00:48:01.809 --> 00:48:02.030
Yeah.
987
00:48:02.150 --> 00:48:04.869
And my cholesterol went up when I started drinking and
988
00:48:04.909 --> 00:48:07.510
eating all this, you know, dairy from the cow. And
989
00:48:07.550 --> 00:48:10.150
my naturopath is like, I'm not too worried about it.
990
00:48:10.150 --> 00:48:11.809
I'm like, dude, I am not worried at all.
991
00:48:11.889 --> 00:48:12.110
No.
992
00:48:12.210 --> 00:48:13.570
Like, not a problem.
993
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:16.900
I had this intense fear of fat for 25 years,
994
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.179
even as a nutritionist. And the last two years when
995
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:24.639
I changed and went very fat heavy and protein heavy,
996
00:48:24.940 --> 00:48:26.760
I'm not scared of carbs, but I just don't.
997
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:27.980
I don't enjoy them.
998
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:31.800
No, really not that much. My life has flipped upside
999
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:36.949
down in clarity, skin, all my blood panels, everything. Yeah.
1000
00:48:36.969 --> 00:48:38.869
When you take the fat out, you're stripping out all
1001
00:48:38.889 --> 00:48:40.269
the nutrients. Exactly.
1002
00:48:40.630 --> 00:48:45.130
So fat soluble vitamins like vitamin D. Just like people,
1003
00:48:45.670 --> 00:48:48.530
most of our animals are low in vitamin D. Now,
1004
00:48:48.570 --> 00:48:50.320
I'm going to say this with a caveat. Do not
1005
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.639
run out and buy supplements for vitamin D and give
1006
00:48:52.659 --> 00:48:55.079
them to your pets because the human supplements are way
1007
00:48:55.099 --> 00:48:57.199
too strong and they'll die of kidney failure with too
1008
00:48:57.219 --> 00:48:57.880
much vitamin D.
1009
00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:58.940
Right.
1010
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:02.789
But if you test it, and most veterinarians don't, if
1011
00:49:02.849 --> 00:49:05.230
you test it, you will find that most of them
1012
00:49:05.269 --> 00:49:08.570
are low, particularly the seniors and particularly those who have
1013
00:49:08.690 --> 00:49:10.590
any kind of chronic disease. So when we look at
1014
00:49:10.610 --> 00:49:12.989
our cancer patients, their vitamin D levels are very low.
1015
00:49:13.050 --> 00:49:16.139
We look at these animals with chronic inflammatory disease, inflammatory
1016
00:49:16.179 --> 00:49:20.780
bowel disease, their vitamin D levels are usually tanking. Even
1017
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:25.239
if they're on a really high quality, you know, balanced, raw,
1018
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.809
gently cooked, each animal absorbs and utilizes it differently. So
1019
00:49:30.829 --> 00:49:33.849
I had one client who said, I'm feeding this good
1020
00:49:33.889 --> 00:49:37.179
food and it was good food. It's balanced. She tested
1021
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:38.639
her two dogs. One was an old dog. One was
1022
00:49:38.659 --> 00:49:41.670
a young dog. Normal level is 100 to like 150.
1023
00:49:41.670 --> 00:49:44.110
And the one dog came back in the 40s and
1024
00:49:44.130 --> 00:49:45.949
the other dog came back in the 80s. Well, the
1025
00:49:45.969 --> 00:49:48.469
young dog was in the 80s. The old dog, who
1026
00:49:48.510 --> 00:49:50.510
had a bunch of problems, was in the 40s. And
1027
00:49:50.530 --> 00:49:53.920
I'm like, well, yes, we do need to supplement because
1028
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:59.179
vitamin D... falls apart and is destroyed so easily with
1029
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:02.119
any kind of processing, any kind of storage. And the
1030
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:06.440
pet food companies can't formulate with excess vitamin D. We
1031
00:50:06.460 --> 00:50:09.780
had a huge recall in 2019, tens of thousands of
1032
00:50:09.860 --> 00:50:13.340
animals died because the vitamin mineral mix that was added
1033
00:50:13.420 --> 00:50:16.380
to add vitamins and minerals back to the dead food
1034
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.539
had too much vitamin D. And so tens of thousands
1035
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:22.760
of animals died of kidney failure before they figured it out. Wow.
1036
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:25.159
And we see these kinds of things all the time.
1037
00:50:25.849 --> 00:50:30.269
We also, with all the carbs in the food, all
1038
00:50:30.309 --> 00:50:33.260
the bad grains that aren't suitable for human consumption go
1039
00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:36.619
to pet food. So the moldy grains, the broken grains,
1040
00:50:36.659 --> 00:50:39.260
which are more susceptible to mold. And 60% of the
1041
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:43.250
corn crop in this country is affected by mold. And
1042
00:50:43.750 --> 00:50:47.309
so it's not suitable for human consumption. So what they
1043
00:50:47.349 --> 00:50:50.170
do is they fumigate it when it gets to the
1044
00:50:50.210 --> 00:50:52.849
pet food plant. So that kills the mold. That's great.
1045
00:50:53.050 --> 00:50:55.829
Except the molds, when they die, they release mold toxins.
1046
00:50:56.050 --> 00:51:00.269
And we had a recall of millions of pounds of food.
1047
00:51:00.469 --> 00:51:03.010
One of the biggest recalls ever of dry kibble because
1048
00:51:03.250 --> 00:51:07.269
of aflatoxins in the food. And that is our pets
1049
00:51:07.349 --> 00:51:09.610
are very, very susceptible to that. They go into liver failure.
1050
00:51:11.289 --> 00:51:16.019
I would urge people, if you can't, like financially pay
1051
00:51:16.059 --> 00:51:19.300
for what an animal needs, just wait. It's what I
1052
00:51:19.340 --> 00:51:21.710
always tell people that wanted to go bodybuild and run
1053
00:51:21.969 --> 00:51:24.030
stacks of things and everything. If you can't do it right,
1054
00:51:24.070 --> 00:51:25.289
just wait until you can.
1055
00:51:25.550 --> 00:51:28.090
Well, and if you already have pets and you're like, man,
1056
00:51:28.210 --> 00:51:30.179
you know, I've been feeding Jack Kibble. I can't afford
1057
00:51:30.219 --> 00:51:32.519
the raw food. I can't afford the gently cooked food because,
1058
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:34.380
you know, and it's sort of like eating out at
1059
00:51:34.420 --> 00:51:36.360
a restaurant. If you're always paying somebody else to make
1060
00:51:36.380 --> 00:51:38.019
your food, It's going to be more expensive.
1061
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:38.320
Oh, yeah.
1062
00:51:38.579 --> 00:51:41.079
There are less expensive ways to make your own. We
1063
00:51:41.099 --> 00:51:43.340
have a ton of free recipes that people can download
1064
00:51:43.380 --> 00:51:46.119
on our website, how to balance them, you know, what.
1065
00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:46.519
You need to do.
1066
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:50.179
But if we have, and sometimes our animals, particularly cats,
1067
00:51:50.300 --> 00:51:54.010
can be really hard to switch over because they spray
1068
00:51:54.070 --> 00:51:57.730
that food with palatants. It's the addictive stuff to make
1069
00:51:57.789 --> 00:52:02.610
it taste good. So, especially cats, they get very addicted
1070
00:52:02.670 --> 00:52:07.250
to texture, taste, and smell. And so it can be
1071
00:52:07.269 --> 00:52:09.489
very hard to switch them. But if you're kind of
1072
00:52:09.570 --> 00:52:11.750
in that like, man, I don't think I can do
1073
00:52:11.789 --> 00:52:14.590
everything she's talking about. I can't, you know, start making food.
1074
00:52:14.610 --> 00:52:17.260
I got three kids and two jobs and I get it.
1075
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:19.780
Add something fresh to the bowl. There was a study
1076
00:52:19.820 --> 00:52:22.500
done years ago where they took a group of dogs.
1077
00:52:22.940 --> 00:52:24.980
Half of them were given kibble their whole life. The
1078
00:52:25.019 --> 00:52:28.780
other half were given kibble with 25 percent of their food.
1079
00:52:29.539 --> 00:52:36.239
replaced by fresh food. So like steamed dark leafy greens, eggs, sardines, berries,
1080
00:52:36.300 --> 00:52:39.619
like good stuff. And the dogs that got that little
1081
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:41.469
bit of fresh food lived two to three years longer.
1082
00:52:41.619 --> 00:52:41.889
Wow.
1083
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:46.550
So we see huge differences. And actually, they did a
1084
00:52:46.610 --> 00:52:49.809
study with Scottish Terriers, who that's a breed that's prone
1085
00:52:49.889 --> 00:52:54.860
to bladder cancer. And they added fresh greens to their bowls,
1086
00:52:55.090 --> 00:52:56.920
and the dogs that got the greens were less likely
1087
00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:57.800
to develop cancer.
1088
00:52:57.900 --> 00:52:58.360
Wow.
1089
00:52:58.699 --> 00:53:01.320
You don't have to go crazy. Like my dogs, one
1090
00:53:01.340 --> 00:53:02.840
of their favorite treats is frozen blueberries.
1091
00:53:03.260 --> 00:53:03.659
Really?
1092
00:53:03.739 --> 00:53:06.699
Yeah. Actually, now I also make frozen treats out of
1093
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:09.610
our raw milk. And so they get those. But when
1094
00:53:09.650 --> 00:53:13.210
I run out of that, frozen blueberries, they think that's
1095
00:53:13.230 --> 00:53:15.210
like heaven. We also raise chickens, so they get fresh
1096
00:53:15.269 --> 00:53:15.989
eggs all the time.
1097
00:53:16.010 --> 00:53:16.610
Yeah.
1098
00:53:17.849 --> 00:53:20.889
So anything that you can do to add fresh food
1099
00:53:20.949 --> 00:53:24.090
to the bowl, one of the best things, canned sardines.
1100
00:53:24.699 --> 00:53:26.940
So get the best canned sardines you can get. And,
1101
00:53:27.179 --> 00:53:28.400
you know, if you have a small dog, add a
1102
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:30.400
sardine a few times a week. If you have a
1103
00:53:30.420 --> 00:53:31.440
big dog, give them the whole can.
1104
00:53:32.139 --> 00:53:33.849
I'm going to give you a scenario with my cat
1105
00:53:33.869 --> 00:53:35.250
because I think a lot of people go through the
1106
00:53:35.269 --> 00:53:37.530
same thing, but I wasn't You're going to probably cringe
1107
00:53:37.570 --> 00:53:39.650
at this. When I was a kid, my mom, because
1108
00:53:39.769 --> 00:53:41.969
it's an Italian family, so every Sunday we had pasta,
1109
00:53:42.010 --> 00:53:44.050
and she just used to load my dog's bowl up
1110
00:53:44.110 --> 00:53:44.829
with pasta, and.
1111
00:53:44.750 --> 00:53:46.929
She would just eat, like, she'd come out with a
1112
00:53:47.260 --> 00:53:49.900
red face. We used to clean out the refrigerator. Anything
1113
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.619
that was moldy or bad went to the dogs. I
1114
00:53:52.659 --> 00:53:55.690
look back at that and go... So fed them, do
1115
00:53:56.110 --> 00:53:57.429
you remember Gainsburgers?
1116
00:53:57.489 --> 00:53:57.909
Yes.
1117
00:53:58.210 --> 00:54:01.070
In the plastic cellophane. That was the worst thing you
1118
00:54:01.090 --> 00:54:04.199
could ever feed your animals. Anybody who's feeding any food
1119
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.059
that comes in the little crinkly plastic cellophane from the
1120
00:54:07.099 --> 00:54:09.880
grocery store, pitch that right now. It's full of dyes.
1121
00:54:09.940 --> 00:54:12.559
It's full of sugar. That was the one thing we
1122
00:54:12.579 --> 00:54:15.599
learned in vet school about nutrition in the grocery store
1123
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:19.079
was if you have a diabetic patient, tell the clients
1124
00:54:19.179 --> 00:54:21.360
not to feed that stuff because it's high in sugar.
1125
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:22.139
I'm like, really?
1126
00:54:22.179 --> 00:54:24.480
That's my nutrition training? Thank you.
1127
00:54:25.489 --> 00:54:27.829
No, and I know people always say, well, just give
1128
00:54:27.849 --> 00:54:29.070
it to the animals, give it to the animals.
1129
00:54:29.110 --> 00:54:31.210
I'm like, no, I will not do that.
1130
00:54:31.309 --> 00:54:32.690
No, if it's not good for me, I'm not giving
1131
00:54:32.730 --> 00:54:33.070
it to that.
1132
00:54:33.170 --> 00:54:36.010
That's how I am. You know, and grapes and raisins
1133
00:54:36.050 --> 00:54:38.320
are toxic to our pets. So don't share.
1134
00:54:38.380 --> 00:54:39.380
Oh, I didn't know that.
1135
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:41.900
Grapes and raisins, chocolate, alcohol, you know, the other things
1136
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:43.400
that are bad for us. Yeah. But the grapes and
1137
00:54:43.420 --> 00:54:45.320
raisins are kind of the biggies that we don't want
1138
00:54:45.340 --> 00:54:45.679
to share.
1139
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:45.980
Right.
1140
00:54:46.019 --> 00:54:47.820
Like I we won't even eat grapes in our house
1141
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:50.570
because we have a five year old. that visits quite often.
1142
00:54:50.789 --> 00:54:52.489
And I'm like, I don't want a grape to drop.
1143
00:54:52.699 --> 00:54:53.010
No.
1144
00:54:53.030 --> 00:54:55.039
Because, I mean, I've seen dogs go into kidney failure
1145
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:55.619
with one grape.
1146
00:54:55.739 --> 00:54:56.099
Really?
1147
00:54:56.139 --> 00:54:58.940
Yeah. So grapes are no, no, no. My son's dog
1148
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.440
ate a pound of grapes. Didn't affect her at all.
1149
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.179
We have no idea why some go into kidney failure
1150
00:55:04.219 --> 00:55:04.739
and some don't.
1151
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:05.099
Yeah.
1152
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:06.119
So just avoid them.
1153
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.690
My cat will not eat anything. Like one thing I
1154
00:55:09.710 --> 00:55:11.750
don't have to worry about is like if something falls,
1155
00:55:11.969 --> 00:55:14.070
she's going to eat it. We've gotten her to lick,
1156
00:55:14.110 --> 00:55:15.829
like I got her to lick a sucker one time
1157
00:55:15.849 --> 00:55:17.849
and then she just looks at me like I'm an idiot.
1158
00:55:18.340 --> 00:55:21.300
Or a potato chip. But here's, here's the scenario I'm
1159
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:23.980
going to give you. Cause I know just through understanding
1160
00:55:24.019 --> 00:55:26.610
that with her catching something early, thank God that, that,
1161
00:55:26.630 --> 00:55:29.849
that I did with their kidneys, like you were talking about. Okay.
1162
00:55:29.909 --> 00:55:34.909
So she's so like her dad, stubborn, like with food
1163
00:55:34.949 --> 00:55:36.969
and everything. Now I've worked on that, but it's not
1164
00:55:37.050 --> 00:55:40.349
translating to her yet. So when I took her in,
1165
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:42.039
cause she was having a lot of hair balls and
1166
00:55:42.059 --> 00:55:44.530
I got a little concerned. Well, then they ran a,
1167
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:47.280
an x-ray and found a little bit of calcium in
1168
00:55:47.340 --> 00:55:50.409
her and I of course went straight to work like
1169
00:55:50.449 --> 00:55:53.090
how do we fix this and part of it they
1170
00:55:53.230 --> 00:55:55.369
assumed and i could be very wrong here i'm just
1171
00:55:55.630 --> 00:55:57.480
giving you what the data i was given was that
1172
00:55:57.820 --> 00:56:01.619
because it was just this blue buffalo kibble like that's
1173
00:56:01.699 --> 00:56:03.679
all she would eat and then they of course put
1174
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:07.760
her on a prescription you know the royal canine fiber
1175
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:11.809
gastrointestinal but it corrected everything and her her blood work
1176
00:56:11.829 --> 00:56:14.309
came out good the calcium has stopped and it was
1177
00:56:14.590 --> 00:56:17.579
small again but What you're saying is that's still not
1178
00:56:17.619 --> 00:56:20.730
the answer, right? And she needs to be eating something
1179
00:56:20.769 --> 00:56:22.530
different because she drinks so much water.
1180
00:56:22.590 --> 00:56:23.670
Yeah, and she shouldn't.
1181
00:56:23.869 --> 00:56:24.190
Yeah.
1182
00:56:24.889 --> 00:56:28.070
And so the answer for fiber, one of my favorite companies,
1183
00:56:28.130 --> 00:56:29.610
I'm going to do a plug, one of my favorite
1184
00:56:29.650 --> 00:56:34.139
companies because they're good friends, Cocotherapy, two women, twin sisters
1185
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:37.699
from the Philippines, third generation coconut farmers, and they make
1186
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.989
coconut products for pets, treats and everything. So one of
1187
00:56:41.030 --> 00:56:45.730
theirs is called Hairball Plus, but it's basically ground dried coconut,
1188
00:56:46.130 --> 00:56:49.090
which is one of the best fiber sources for cats,
1189
00:56:49.630 --> 00:56:50.340
and they love it.
1190
00:56:51.130 --> 00:56:51.469
Really?
1191
00:56:51.590 --> 00:56:55.110
So it's so much better than a prescription diet, and
1192
00:56:55.130 --> 00:56:56.789
your cat really needs to get off kibble.
1193
00:56:56.829 --> 00:56:59.610
But I know how many people struggle with getting their cats.
1194
00:57:00.010 --> 00:57:02.699
Yes. So here's... It took me six months when I first...
1195
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:04.880
My cats were eating kibble because that's what I learned
1196
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.440
they should eat until I learned better, and I went, oh,
1197
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:07.900
my God.
1198
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:08.219
So.
1199
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:12.489
Cats, like I said, very, very into texture. So when
1200
00:57:12.710 --> 00:57:15.889
they're eating dry food, that's the texture that they're used to.
1201
00:57:16.190 --> 00:57:18.340
You wouldn't believe how much money is spent on figuring
1202
00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:21.519
out which shape the kibble the cats like the best.
1203
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:24.130
It's actually a little football shape is their favorite.
1204
00:57:24.210 --> 00:57:24.570
Really?
1205
00:57:24.789 --> 00:57:28.889
Really weird. The little triangles, little squares, like they've tried everything,
1206
00:57:28.909 --> 00:57:30.750
but the little footballs seem to be the number one.
1207
00:57:30.829 --> 00:57:32.570
And you don't see very many foods that are that shape.
1208
00:57:32.590 --> 00:57:33.030
So it's weird.
1209
00:57:33.550 --> 00:57:33.809
Yeah.
1210
00:57:33.849 --> 00:57:36.650
Like at the food companies, they have labs where they
1211
00:57:36.670 --> 00:57:38.590
have these animals where they put out all these bowls
1212
00:57:38.630 --> 00:57:40.690
of food and see which one they go to. And that's,
1213
00:57:40.929 --> 00:57:45.449
you know, great fun experimenting. But so your cat is
1214
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:48.860
used to eating something that's a dry texture. So the
1215
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:51.260
best way to change her over is to buy some
1216
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:57.010
freeze-dried food. Okay. Because the freeze-dried raw is... a dry texture.
1217
00:57:57.570 --> 00:58:00.309
So with my own cats, I would take that freeze-dried raw,
1218
00:58:00.630 --> 00:58:02.190
and some of them are in little nuggets, some of
1219
00:58:02.210 --> 00:58:05.179
them are in little patties, but I would crumble it
1220
00:58:05.340 --> 00:58:07.340
over the food. So if she, and it comes in,
1221
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:14.500
pick a flavor, any flavor you want, pork, venison, duck, chicken, rabbit, fish, whatever.
1222
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:17.449
So you get that, crumble it over their dry kibble
1223
00:58:17.469 --> 00:58:19.789
that they're eating. And so as they're eating, they're going
1224
00:58:19.809 --> 00:58:22.010
to end up eating some of that stuff too. And
1225
00:58:22.460 --> 00:58:24.619
Each day you take out another couple pieces of kibble,
1226
00:58:24.659 --> 00:58:27.380
put in a little bit more of the freeze-dried until
1227
00:58:27.420 --> 00:58:30.059
they're pretty much only on freeze-dried. And we haven't solved
1228
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:32.360
the moisture problem yet. So once we get them to
1229
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:35.869
like the new food, it's like, okay, that tastes pretty
1230
00:58:35.929 --> 00:58:37.789
good and the texture is pretty similar to what I've
1231
00:58:37.829 --> 00:58:40.469
been eating. Then you start sprinkling little bits of water
1232
00:58:40.570 --> 00:58:40.730
on it.
1233
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:41.519
Okay.
1234
00:58:41.659 --> 00:58:42.980
And a little bit more and a little bit more
1235
00:58:43.019 --> 00:58:45.699
and a little bit more until you get them completely
1236
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:49.460
switched over. Once they accept that, then it's usually pretty
1237
00:58:49.539 --> 00:58:51.360
easy to get them to go to gently cooked or
1238
00:58:51.420 --> 00:58:53.559
get them to go to the raw. Any food that
1239
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:56.840
you're feeding needs to be at room temperature. So if
1240
00:58:56.889 --> 00:58:58.889
you're someone who wants to feed a raw food or
1241
00:58:58.929 --> 00:59:02.250
wants to feed gently cooked food, you know, obviously you're
1242
00:59:02.289 --> 00:59:04.829
either storing it in the freezer or you're storing it
1243
00:59:04.869 --> 00:59:08.369
in the refrigerator. When you take it out of the refrigerator,
1244
00:59:08.389 --> 00:59:10.639
you don't want to feed it at that temperature. You
1245
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:13.159
want it to be pretty close to body temperature. And
1246
00:59:13.219 --> 00:59:16.019
for cats, if you warm up the food, it releases
1247
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:19.619
the odors and then they're more likely to dive into that.
1248
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:23.900
See, she's got me so like, I'll do anything she wants.
1249
00:59:24.179 --> 00:59:25.820
And so she'll look at me like I'm an idiot
1250
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:27.539
when I put something new down there and just stare
1251
00:59:27.579 --> 00:59:28.579
at me and make me feel bad.
1252
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:28.670
Yep.
1253
00:59:29.179 --> 00:59:30.699
And I told my wife, I was like, you know what?
1254
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:31.639
If she's hungry, she'll eat.
1255
00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:34.599
You can't starve a cat into it. Cats will go
1256
00:59:35.179 --> 00:59:36.659
two to three days without eating and then go into
1257
00:59:36.699 --> 00:59:40.179
liver failure. So yeah, I mean, cats are not small dogs.
1258
00:59:40.219 --> 00:59:43.289
They are like their own creature. So that's, you know,
1259
00:59:43.510 --> 00:59:46.570
that's why you play with the different freeze dry.
1260
00:59:46.590 --> 00:59:48.150
What if she doesn't do it, for example, then what
1261
00:59:48.170 --> 00:59:48.400
do you do?
1262
00:59:48.409 --> 00:59:51.030
It took me six months with my first cats that
1263
00:59:51.070 --> 00:59:53.690
I was doing this with. And I was just really persistent.
1264
00:59:53.730 --> 00:59:55.690
It was like every day, some of that freeze dry
1265
00:59:55.769 --> 00:59:58.409
was in the bowl. It's like, Sooner or later, you're
1266
00:59:58.429 --> 01:00:01.349
going to eat this. And they did. It just it
1267
01:00:01.389 --> 01:00:04.070
took a really long because they were older cats. They
1268
01:00:04.090 --> 01:00:06.090
had been on kibble their whole life. I call it
1269
01:00:06.130 --> 01:00:09.380
kitty crack. And the nine cats that we have now
1270
01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:13.739
were all raised from kittens on raw food. But I
1271
01:00:13.780 --> 01:00:15.820
guarantee you, if I put a bowl of kibble out there,
1272
01:00:15.860 --> 01:00:17.019
they dive in headfirst.
1273
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:19.760
Really? Because it's like McDonald's. Yes.
1274
01:00:19.940 --> 01:00:21.980
It's got palatine sprayed on it. It is.
1275
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:22.900
It is.
1276
01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:26.630
Yeah. It is just made to addict them. And it's funny,
1277
01:00:26.849 --> 01:00:30.789
before I got into all of this, we were visiting Amarillo, Texas,
1278
01:00:30.829 --> 01:00:33.570
because that's where my husband is from, and the Merrick
1279
01:00:33.789 --> 01:00:35.789
Pet Food Company was started.
1280
01:00:36.170 --> 01:00:37.590
That just sounds corporate.
1281
01:00:38.150 --> 01:00:41.949
Well, it is now. It was started by a family who,
1282
01:00:42.409 --> 01:00:44.969
I guess they raised cows. Were they also the renderers?
1283
01:00:45.909 --> 01:00:48.469
They were renderers? They were the dead cow.
1284
01:00:48.570 --> 01:00:49.449
Oh, man.
1285
01:00:49.630 --> 01:00:53.570
And so they started canning the, you know, meat that
1286
01:00:53.820 --> 01:00:57.909
was not human fit. But anyway, it grew into this
1287
01:00:57.969 --> 01:01:00.369
big pet food company and they had really cool names
1288
01:01:00.409 --> 01:01:03.489
like Cowboy Cookout, you know, like all this really cool stuff.
1289
01:01:04.010 --> 01:01:05.909
And it looked good. So I was really into it
1290
01:01:05.949 --> 01:01:08.250
and I was actually recommending it for people for a
1291
01:01:08.269 --> 01:01:10.590
very long time. And we went to visit them and
1292
01:01:10.630 --> 01:01:13.409
the person who gave us the tour of the facility,
1293
01:01:13.909 --> 01:01:17.030
she said she told me about the spraying of the
1294
01:01:17.110 --> 01:01:20.090
palatins and what's added into the food. And it didn't
1295
01:01:20.170 --> 01:01:22.650
ring a bell like it didn't register at the time.
1296
01:01:22.670 --> 01:01:23.750
I was like, well, of course we want it to
1297
01:01:23.789 --> 01:01:25.719
taste good for them. Like, why would that be a problem?
1298
01:01:26.309 --> 01:01:30.610
Now I know better. And it's really funny. I pushed
1299
01:01:30.829 --> 01:01:35.340
Merrick a lot for probably a good five years or so.
1300
01:01:35.380 --> 01:01:38.239
And then I started really learning. And then Merrick was
1301
01:01:38.460 --> 01:01:41.980
bought out by Purina. And the day they were bought
1302
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:45.380
out by Purina, I posted, and I probably had 50,000
1303
01:01:45.380 --> 01:01:47.599
followers at the time, and I posted on social media
1304
01:01:47.659 --> 01:01:49.960
that We were no longer recommending it because it was
1305
01:01:50.019 --> 01:01:53.389
bought by a big company. Their sales rep showed up
1306
01:01:53.570 --> 01:01:57.349
at my clinic and laid me low. How dare I?
1307
01:01:57.369 --> 01:02:00.900
I'm like, I told the truth that you sold to
1308
01:02:00.940 --> 01:02:05.159
a big company and I'm not recommending it. what's wrong
1309
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:07.139
with that? Well, our sales have dropped.
1310
01:02:07.179 --> 01:02:08.340
I'm like, sorry.
1311
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:09.579
First of all, I didn't know I had that much
1312
01:02:09.619 --> 01:02:10.460
influence at the time.
1313
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:12.280
Did you work for them with a contract?
1314
01:02:12.300 --> 01:02:13.840
I didn't know I had that much influence. So that
1315
01:02:13.889 --> 01:02:16.570
was kind of cool. And sorry, I'm not going to
1316
01:02:16.590 --> 01:02:18.949
change anything I said. Like you sold to a big
1317
01:02:18.989 --> 01:02:21.329
company and I know they're going to change it.
1318
01:02:21.349 --> 01:02:26.010
They have. Fine. Call integrity. I mean, I'm like, sorry.
1319
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:27.639
You know, now I look back on it and go,
1320
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:29.619
oh my God, I can't ever recommend it to begin with.
1321
01:02:29.659 --> 01:02:30.019
But you know.
1322
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:32.619
But did you work for them? Well, then I would
1323
01:02:32.659 --> 01:02:34.530
have been like, you got about five seconds before I
1324
01:02:34.570 --> 01:02:35.119
call the police.
1325
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:37.650
Yeah, well, it was kind of similar to that.
1326
01:02:37.710 --> 01:02:38.070
Yeah.
1327
01:02:38.110 --> 01:02:38.489
I gotta go.
1328
01:02:38.570 --> 01:02:38.909
I'm busy.
1329
01:02:39.550 --> 01:02:39.849
See ya.
1330
01:02:40.289 --> 01:02:43.809
So I bought her canned food multiple times and she
1331
01:02:43.829 --> 01:02:46.269
just stares, stares. And then one time she ate it
1332
01:02:46.309 --> 01:02:48.150
for like a week and I mean smashed it and
1333
01:02:48.170 --> 01:02:50.250
then started doing the staring at me again like I
1334
01:02:50.289 --> 01:02:50.829
was an idiot.
1335
01:02:50.889 --> 01:02:51.489
Like, why would you?
1336
01:02:51.750 --> 01:02:52.449
Yeah. Yeah.
1337
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:58.000
I mean, our cats... So we feed, I rotate brands.
1338
01:02:58.059 --> 01:02:58.340
Really?
1339
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:01.179
I'm a huge fan of roto and they're all like
1340
01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:02.320
very high quality.
1341
01:03:02.340 --> 01:03:03.599
Are they canned food?
1342
01:03:03.699 --> 01:03:04.980
No, we feed raw.
1343
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:05.880
Oh, okay.
1344
01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:08.969
And sometimes gently cooked. So it comes in one pound bricks,
1345
01:03:09.139 --> 01:03:11.289
which is fine because we have so many animals. So,
1346
01:03:11.530 --> 01:03:14.289
but I rotate companies for a reason. Like I have
1347
01:03:14.349 --> 01:03:16.670
certain companies that I absolutely love and I could just
1348
01:03:16.690 --> 01:03:20.309
feed their food all the time. But let's just say,
1349
01:03:20.429 --> 01:03:22.250
and a lot of times when you, like a couple
1350
01:03:22.269 --> 01:03:25.469
of the companies that I use, every recipe is very different.
1351
01:03:25.929 --> 01:03:29.289
But then we have other companies where the protein changes,
1352
01:03:29.449 --> 01:03:31.969
but all the vegetables in there pretty much. So like
1353
01:03:31.989 --> 01:03:35.789
the same recipe, but with a different protein. And so
1354
01:03:35.889 --> 01:03:37.800
I look at that and I go, well, let's just
1355
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:42.440
say there's a micro mineral deficiency or a micro vitamin
1356
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:44.699
deficiency and you're feeding. And this is one of the
1357
01:03:44.739 --> 01:03:46.280
things that the veterinarians say, put the same thing in
1358
01:03:46.300 --> 01:03:48.380
the bowl every day. You know, don't ever change it.
1359
01:03:48.380 --> 01:03:50.820
You know, it'll cause diarrhea.
1360
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:51.739
Wrong. Wrong.
1361
01:03:52.710 --> 01:03:54.730
You want to rotate. Let's just say there's a micro
1362
01:03:54.750 --> 01:03:57.530
deficiency and you're feeding the same thing, or there's excess
1363
01:03:57.590 --> 01:03:59.260
vitamin D in there, like that recall.
1364
01:03:59.380 --> 01:03:59.590
Right.
1365
01:03:59.610 --> 01:04:01.519
You're feeding the same thing day in and day out.
1366
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:05.360
You're just, you're exacerbating the problem. So I want to
1367
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:08.280
have five different companies that I like. I want to
1368
01:04:08.300 --> 01:04:10.480
have all those in my freezer for my animals. And
1369
01:04:10.699 --> 01:04:12.880
I want to have 10 different proteins in there.
1370
01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:13.300
Yeah.
1371
01:04:13.340 --> 01:04:15.489
So I've got duck, I've got rabbit, I've got venison,
1372
01:04:15.510 --> 01:04:17.869
I've got goat, I've got beef, chicken.
1373
01:04:17.889 --> 01:04:20.590
Well, do you eat the same exact one every single day?
1374
01:04:20.849 --> 01:04:24.349
Exactly. And- do we go stupid crazy trying to balance
1375
01:04:24.469 --> 01:04:28.090
every single meal that we eat? I mean, or do
1376
01:04:28.110 --> 01:04:30.250
we do that for our kids? Like I look at
1377
01:04:30.269 --> 01:04:32.170
my granddaughter and I'm like, I think you got some
1378
01:04:32.190 --> 01:04:34.469
protein this week. You got some fruit that we're good.
1379
01:04:34.690 --> 01:04:35.150
Close enough.
1380
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.159
I'm a hardcore and I still mix things up, you know,
1381
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:39.820
like otherwise.
1382
01:04:39.860 --> 01:04:41.840
Yeah. I mean, you have to, you.
1383
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:45.199
Know, your body does it actually, it will adjust to
1384
01:04:45.260 --> 01:04:47.300
everything and then it stops working. Yeah.
1385
01:04:48.059 --> 01:04:51.059
So that's, I'm, Listen, God put so many things on
1386
01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:52.159
this earth for us to eat.
1387
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:52.539
Why not?
1388
01:04:52.780 --> 01:04:55.119
Why not? And we're told to eat them all. So anyway,
1389
01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:59.469
for my animals, that's how I do it. We're rotating flavors.
1390
01:04:59.989 --> 01:05:03.289
And it's funny, there's one veterinarian in England, a holistic veterinarian,
1391
01:05:03.309 --> 01:05:05.750
really good guy. But he's like, no, you want to
1392
01:05:05.769 --> 01:05:08.690
feed them only beef until they don't tolerate beef anymore.
1393
01:05:08.710 --> 01:05:10.429
And then you switch to something else. And then you
1394
01:05:10.449 --> 01:05:12.239
feed them pork until they can't tolerate that. And I'm like,
1395
01:05:12.849 --> 01:05:13.889
I don't really like that method.
1396
01:05:14.090 --> 01:05:15.380
I don't prefer that method.
1397
01:05:15.590 --> 01:05:18.239
I really like my animals to be able to know whatever.
1398
01:05:17.900 --> 01:05:19.940
You end up. I did that with oatmeal for years
1399
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:21.690
and I don't even want to look at it. Seriously.
1400
01:05:21.710 --> 01:05:23.869
And amongst other things, I found out about eating it.
1401
01:05:24.869 --> 01:05:27.329
You know, there are some like some of our cats
1402
01:05:27.530 --> 01:05:30.150
are not real fans of certain flavors.
1403
01:05:30.190 --> 01:05:30.429
Yeah.
1404
01:05:30.909 --> 01:05:33.530
And so my mom feeds the cats and she always
1405
01:05:33.590 --> 01:05:36.519
gives them two choices at every meal. They have two choices.
1406
01:05:36.579 --> 01:05:38.659
So it's like, OK, well, if you don't like the rabbit,
1407
01:05:38.699 --> 01:05:41.480
maybe you'll like the chicken. OK, well, today it's turkey
1408
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:42.860
and beef. Like pick one.
1409
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.500
I've even noticed that when I give because I'm sparing
1410
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:50.210
with the treats, but I do. And I've got tuna, duck, chicken, several.
1411
01:05:50.250 --> 01:05:54.010
And I notice sometimes turkey. I'll shake them and she comes.
1412
01:05:54.210 --> 01:05:59.989
So will she eat like a freeze-dried treat, like a
1413
01:06:00.010 --> 01:06:01.210
freeze-dried piece of chicken?
1414
01:06:01.230 --> 01:06:03.909
We're going to try now that you told me. I mean.
1415
01:06:04.190 --> 01:06:05.590
Man, I wish I'd known. I'd have brought so much
1416
01:06:05.630 --> 01:06:08.550
stuff with me. So one of my cat's favorite treats
1417
01:06:08.690 --> 01:06:10.510
is freeze-dried pork tenderloin.
1418
01:06:11.309 --> 01:06:12.329
That sounds good for me.
1419
01:06:12.349 --> 01:06:16.489
It is so weird because you're like, in nature, what
1420
01:06:16.550 --> 01:06:17.780
cat's going to take down a pig?
1421
01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:18.389
Yeah.
1422
01:06:18.550 --> 01:06:20.460
But they really like it. And right now mine are.
1423
01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:23.860
one company was doing a special on venison, so they're
1424
01:06:23.949 --> 01:06:26.690
getting venison. I'm like, you cats can't take down a deer.
1425
01:06:26.809 --> 01:06:28.809
We've got seven barn cats and they're still not going
1426
01:06:28.829 --> 01:06:31.090
to take down a deer. No. And it's really interesting.
1427
01:06:31.170 --> 01:06:34.590
One company makes whole ground mice and whole ground guinea pigs.
1428
01:06:35.289 --> 01:06:36.739
My cats eat mice all the time, but they will
1429
01:06:36.780 --> 01:06:37.260
not eat that.
1430
01:06:37.460 --> 01:06:37.699
Really?
1431
01:06:37.719 --> 01:06:38.420
I'm like, why not?
1432
01:06:38.940 --> 01:06:39.659
That's weird.
1433
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:43.500
My dogs eat whole ground quail, whole ground rabbit. Wow.
1434
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:46.360
Because the feathers and the fur, there's a lot of
1435
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:47.400
trace minerals in there.
1436
01:06:47.420 --> 01:06:50.880
Yeah. Tell me about the books that you've written, because
1437
01:06:50.900 --> 01:06:53.739
you've written a lot. And how many total have you written?
1438
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:54.539
I'm working on number 10.
1439
01:06:54.539 --> 01:06:57.119
10? When did you start writing books?
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So my first book was written on a dare, and
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it was published in 2014. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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You've written 10 books in 10 years, so that's like, well, 12.
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So you're writing a lot of books.
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Well, in one year, I did three in one year.
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What?
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So I've had times where I'm very prolific and times
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where I've got too many other things going on, and
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it gets put on hold. I've discovered my writing style.
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So the first book took me a year to write,
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and I was invited to a Facebook group for Cavalier
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King Charles Spaniel owners, because that's our breed. And on Facebook,
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everybody asks questions. What do you feed your dog? What
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heartworm preventative do you use? How do you treat fleas?
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And everybody's like, your answers are different from everybody else's.
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And I'm like, uh-huh.
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And so I said, well, I'm a holistic veterinarian. And
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then new people would join and ask the same questions.
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And somebody said, you know, you should write all this
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down somewhere. And I said, haha, maybe I'll write a book.
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So I did.
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And so a year later, I published the first book.
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And the 10th book that I'm working on now is
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the rewrite of that first book. It's great because it's
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sort of my autobiography of how I went from being
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a traditional vet to being a holistic vet. And it
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has a lot of stories about my own animals that
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taught me things, my patients that taught me things. But
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there's a lot of companies in there that I recommend
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and food companies that I wouldn't like the Merrick thing
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that I would never recommend now so I'm like I
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have to rewrite this book I can't let people buy
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this and buy these things that I talked about back
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then so that's being rewritten but it really was written
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on a dare and I didn't know anything about publishing
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a book so I did hybrid publishing I paid $ 35, 000
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to get that book published. Thank God for my vet
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clinic because that's how we paid for it. Now I
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spend a lot less. I still do self-publishing, but the
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books do very well. And so a lot of my
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stuff goes toward traditional Chinese medicine because I love acupuncture
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and the food therapy is very big for me. And
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my goal with the books is to educate people.
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Yeah.
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Like you, you need to have this user's manual on
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how to do things.
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Yeah. And don't go to Reddit, please. You're not going
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to get the answers there.
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Well, yeah. I mean, I used to spend, when I
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was trying to grow my name, like when I wrote
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that first book, I thought, oh, you write a book,
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people buy it, right? Yeah.
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Yeah. I wish. It doesn't work that way.
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But that's what started this whole journey because like, okay,
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I sold the 50 to my friends. Now what? And
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I stupidly ordered 3,500 books when I first wrote it.
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So my surgery room had 75 cases of books stacked
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up in it. And my staff was like, we can't move.
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We can't do surgery. You have to do something with
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these boxes of books. And I'm like, I guess I'm
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going to have to start some social media campaigns.
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What was your best-selling book?
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The best-selling one was the initial Yin and Yang Nutrition
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for Dogs. No, actually, I take that back. Probably this one.
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Raising Naturally Healthy Pets.
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Okay.
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This one I wrote in 23, I think. And then
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the sequel to it is Keeping Your Pets Naturally Healthy.
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So the Raising Naturally Healthy Pets is for people who
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are kind of new to the holistic thing. It tells you, one,
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how to choose the right pet for you. If you
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want to be a vegetarian, don't get a cat. how
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to find a holistic veterinarian. If you only have a
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traditional veterinarian, how do you have a conversation with them
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to get your way without getting kicked out of the office?
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There's a big chapter on vaccines, you know, what, how,
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how they, how the diseases are spread. Would your animal
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be susceptible? Is it even something like, do you have
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a hunting dog or do you live in a high rise?
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Kind of a different lifestyle. Um, So all that's in there.
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And then the Keeping Your Pets Naturally Healthy talks about
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all the different diseases like arthritis and seizures and liver
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disease and kidney disease and how we would diagnose and
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treat them from a traditional standpoint versus, or you could
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try this.
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When's your newest book coming out?
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It depends. I have a huge speaking schedule. We're traveling
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all over the world in the next few months. I'm
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trying to finish it in between all that. So hopefully
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by the end of the year.
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Okay. Well, when that thing's ready, we're going to talk
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about it again. We're going to get everybody on it
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because they need to see and know. Thank you so
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much for coming to see me and for the education.
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I mean, there's probably several more hours of stuff we
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could go over, probably days. So much. We can certainly
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do another episode of this at a given point when
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you're traveling back this way. I would love to have
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you back.
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Awesome.
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So what kind of special offer do we have today
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for the listeners?
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So for all of my books that are on our website, naturallyhealthypets.com,
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Gemelli 50 will get you 50% off all of my books. 50%.
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All of my books, 50%. Well, that is more than generous.
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It's not about making money.
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It's about education. Well, take advantage, please, because I want
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everybody to really comprehend and understand how to take care
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of your pets because you may have the best motive,
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but you may be doing it wrong. Clearly, I'm doing
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some things wrong, too, and I want to fix it.
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So that's what it's all about is learning and fixing
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it before you create a bigger problem.
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Yeah. And we have probably about 40 courses that are
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associated with our website as well. They're not all taught
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by me. They're taught by other people in the holistic
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pet space. So if you, we actually have a course
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on how to get your cat off kibble and we
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have courses on how to feed your cats. We have
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a homemade food for dogs course. So, you know, if
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you look at our website, you download all the recipes
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and you're still confused. There's a course, there's a course
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on how, how to feed your dogs raw meaty bones.
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Really? Yeah. So can, Do people or they have the
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ability to hire you or is it just courses or
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what is your.
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So I have done a lot of online consultations over
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the years. My schedule is a little crazy. So we
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have about a dozen other holistic veterinarians in our referral group.
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So if somebody has a problem with what vaccine should I...
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It's like if you just have general questions, we have
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people that can help with that. If you have a
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pet with cancer, a pet with... arthritis, allergies, whatever you're
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dealing with, we have people in the group who can
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help out.
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Is that on your website then? Yeah. Yeah.
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Basically, you just email us and we email you the
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list of here's the people you can contact. Okay. Like
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I have a couple of the veterinarians on the list
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that really enjoy working with cancer cases and they kind
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of specialize in that. So I'm like, well, that's, you know,
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so if you have a cancer case, we're probably going
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to point you in that direction.
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Sure.
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But all of the veterinarians in that group are very good.
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All right. Well, I'll make sure that everything's linked in
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the description and that generous offer. Gemelli 50, by the way,
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50% off these amazing books. So, Judy, thank you again.
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Thank you. For coming, but for your work, your effort,
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and the brilliance in which you deliver it. It's really
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soothing to the soul to see somebody that actually cares
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that much.
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I've been doing this for, it seems like forever, but
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for me, it's all about saving the animals and making...
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I'm sure you want your cat to live to 30.
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Well, yeah.
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And our dogs are living into their late teens, but
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not very many are. And I think people would be
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thrilled if their animals could have a high quality of
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life for decades.
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Let's keep teaching them how to do it.
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Exactly.
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All right, everybody. That wraps up another one. So learn
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as much as you can from this and go see Judy.
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I'll link everything in the description. That being said, stay
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tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Gemelli, signing off.