41: Golf Talk with David Rhoden & Ava Lourenco

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Hey everybody.
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Welcome back to the Chasing Daylight.
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We had a little round table discussion tonight.
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We didn't get the intro?
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No, I add that later.
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Oh, do you?
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Yeah.
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I thought we were gonna get to talk over it.
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Well, we can we can make that happen.
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I have it on it readily available.
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Oh man.
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Let's see here.
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Here we go.
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Delete the pack.
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We just watched the movie last time.
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That's a good movie.
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Not a cult movie.
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I mean you might be a cult movie.
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Yeah.
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I'm good with I'm good with think that.
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I'd really love think of it.
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Love Bagger Man.
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I get a I get a lot of crap for this, but I still really like Seven Disney W.
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Okay.
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I can I can at least say Happy Gilmar.
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Yeah.
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I'm not a So as as funny as Happy Gilmore is, it's not about it.
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Like once you've seen it, you've seen it.
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It's it's not a throw on repeat and watch many, many times.
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No.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Intro done.
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Intro done.
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Here we go.
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So we got a little round table talk going on tonight with Doc.
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Doc's over and he's got his lovely girlfriend, Ava, with him.
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Hello.
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I don't think anybody's ever met Ava.
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So maybe on Instagram.
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Yeah, yeah, we had some Instagram lives with her, I think.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So uh they're in town.
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Um we're uh socially distancing ourselves from everybody else.
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Oh yeah.
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But hanging out with a backyard.
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It's easy to do on a on a super nice putting green in casa de wing, right?
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Casa de Wang Rach.
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Wang and Rich and Chit.
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Wangan Rich and Chit.
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You're gonna miss that.
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I am gonna miss that.
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Miss that.
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So uh it's a beautiful night out here in Vegas.
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Uh they have um what do they call it?
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Uh uh loosened the noose on our uh social uh restrictions.
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I like that loosened the noose.
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That's what's a good one.
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Yeah, because it's we've been on some serious lockdown.
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The casinos still aren't gonna open up.
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But yeah, starting tomorrow, you can make a reservation and go to a restaurant.
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Yes.
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Yes, and I am really looking for somebody bringing me food.
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I think they said it's uh what is it's half of the fire codes?
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Half the capacity limit, right?
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Yep, yep.
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Tables have to be six feet apart, staff has to wear masks.
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Yep.
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It's gonna be weird.
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It is, but yeah, it'll be nice to have somebody bring me a beer finally.
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Right.
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Right.
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It's just fine, it's nice that they're finally doing phase one of all of this because I was I think we were all getting worried when that was gonna start because I don't know how much more people can hold up.
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So that's great.
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Well, they I mean, golf courses opened up a week ago.
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Yes.
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And and in Arizona, nothing has changed.
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I guess I got to play day one.
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Arizona's the only place in the world that's like, no, we'll still play golf and go hiking.
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We uh we got to play day one, man.
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That was awesome.
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Yeah, Doc, Joe, myself um went out and read.
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Reed, yeah, had a great time out at Lexington.
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Um at uh Revere, man.
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Ava, have you played since you've been here?
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No, yeah.
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She didn't even bring her clubs.
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Well, she's trying to leave with one of my clubs.
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Oh no.
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Hey, tell you what, man, that Olsen putter.
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The Olson long neck is uh gorgeous.
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By the way, question for you.
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Oh, okay.
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Question for you.
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So that putter, obviously, you had it when it still had a steel shaft or a stability shaft in it at the time.
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No, it uh it just had a stock shaft in it.
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Just a stock steel, yeah, and then we put that LA shaft in it.
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So did it feel better or worse with the LA shaft compared to the steel?
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I like it better, and I think mainly because we put what do we put, 70 grams of tungsten in it?
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Put a lot of tungsten in that thing.
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Because it's uh it's a it's it's a light hit.
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Yeah, um, and it's for as for as much metal that came off of that to create it, it's light.
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And um it was too light.
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And so when we put that, and that that LA shaft is heavy to begin with.
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So it is, but so most stock steel putter shafts are gonna be somewhere around 100 to 120, 130 grams if you get some of the crazy ones.
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At that length that you're at, too.
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That's always gonna take some headweight.
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Oh he plays he plays a 28-inch putter just for the rig.
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It's 33 and a half.
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And if it feels it feels a lot shorter than my 34-inch.
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Well, we can go measure it.
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Um it just um it just feels a little short, and that's all.
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That's all that's that's because it's so high.
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Who who cut it for you?
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Well, I think this guy rodin.
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Uh R-H-D-N-B-L-T.
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Something something like that.
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Something like that.
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Something like that.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Uh but that no, I I love that putter.
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Uh, it's a great putter.
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It's it's still hasn't made its way back in the bag yet because Neil's putter's just been lights out for me.
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Tell you what, man, anytime you want to get rid of it, I know some people that'll probably take it off your hands.
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That's the one sitting across from the table right now, right?
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Well, and then what Mark, is that what his name from Southern Highlands?
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Yeah, Mark.
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He putted with it at Club Champion and was like, okay, tell me how much you want for it right now.
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So you got you got what, three people that want it real bad?
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Yeah, what?
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And then uh there was somebody else too.
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I can't remember who it was.
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Some guy named Doc.
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Well, I know you want it.
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You know that you know where that's going.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah, I've never seen a um a putter with that long of a neck.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But uh they were popular there for a little while.
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You know, yeah.
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Well, Ping made a whole bunch of them back in the day.
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And well, Halverson on Instagram is a huge low neck fan, so I always admire the his stuff that he he gets.
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He's got he's got some pretty cool stuff.
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He's got some incredible butters.
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Um, I have one.
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That one.
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I'd uh um I'll probably get another one.
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I'm I I'm gonna probably reach out to Nick.
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Does Halverson listen to this?
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I don't know.
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Have to ask him.
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Don't know.
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I tell you what, if you're listening, let me know.
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Because there's a couple putters in your collection that I'd be interested in.
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I'd like to see his collection.
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I would too.
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I mean, he's in Flax, he's not that far away.
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I'd like to see them all.
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It's gotta be just Hey man, I'll be in Scottsdale.
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Flagstaff, what, two hours away?
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Yeah.
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Two and a half, something like that.
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Not that far, straight up the 17.
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Let me know.
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Let me know.
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So I I heard an interesting thing that I wanted to chat with this about.
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And then we're gonna get into your golf story, Ace.
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Oh, okay.
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Um so when we played the opening day, uh-huh, and um I read this afterwards, and it got me actually after I played TBC on Sunday.
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Okay.
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Um, but one of the um organizations that is associated with the Greenskeepers of America, and what I don't know what it is.
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So um, but somebody wrote an article saying golfers are gonna be disappointed.
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Um the golf courses have been running on a very limited maintenance staff.
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For sure.
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And so it's not like everybody has been out there doing their job that they do every day.
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For sure.
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So golfers are gonna be disappointed because they're expecting, and I was, I'm not gonna lie to you.
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I was like six weeks, you guys have had six weeks, yeah and you know, make it.
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So once I heard that, I was like, oh, so were you disappointed or surprised at all at what we experienced at Revere the first day?
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So I was I think a little bit of both.
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So, you know, I I've I've worked at plenty of golf courses, and I understand how that works when there's nobody really on the golf course.
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They, you know, they cut hours, they cut everything, right?
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The easiest way to control your income is to control your algo, right?
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Or to control your your payroll and and that kind of thing, right?
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So control the expenses saves the income, right?
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So I get it.
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That said, as far as the golf course itself, I mean, I know I haven't played it a bunch.
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I haven't been in Vegas real long, right?
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Um, that was the best that I had ever seen it.
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It was pretty.
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Um, I know you said that you've seen it a little bit better in some places, but that's the best that I had ever seen it.
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Um, you know, there were no ball marks on the greens, which opening day I would hope that they've healed, right?
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Well, that I mean, Revere is notoriously known because it's in a senior citizen community.
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Yeah.
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Those old guys, they don't fix their pitch marks.
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Yeah.
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Well, let's be honest with us, though, there's very few guys that hit it high enough to make a ball mark out there, too, though.
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Yeah, that's true.
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So there's that, right?
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They're all they're all those stinger three woods that come in.
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From 120 yards out.
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Yeah, they're 12 hybrid.
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I tell you what, man, I might need a 12 hybrid after the other day.
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It was man.
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Did you play LVCC?
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I did.
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How was that?
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I did.
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Uh it was awesome.
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So it was you know, it's kind of the same story as everywhere right now, you know, coming out of what we've just come out of.
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You know, everything's a little bit slow, um, which you know I kind of expected, you know.
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Um, but the rest of the golf course is in great shape.
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Tita Green, it was awesome.
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The greens were good, they rolled really well, they were just a little bit on the slow side, but um Kyle Peeler played um Kyle Peeler, let me say that properly.
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He played um, oh gosh, what was it?
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Um it's a course in Summerlin, it's one of the Summerland courses.
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Okay.
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Um, and he said it was pure, yeah.
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Just pure.
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The greens were fast, and it's not a course that I was expecting to hear that.
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What's the what's the one you played with Chad?
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Great shape.
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I'm not sure.
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The course down in Summerlin.
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Um, where are you really playing?
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There's Highland Falls.
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Highland Falls, yeah.
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Yes, that's that's a good little track.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And it's it's a good one.
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It's not real expensive, and it's usually in pretty good shape.
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Yeah, and it's a fun little layout.
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Well, Reed played Sienna um a couple days ago.
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So I never got out to to Sienna.
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Sienna's nice.
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It's a fun, I it's it's one of my favorite courses on that side of the case.
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I played, I mean, I played I like without other than Shadow Creek and Cascada.
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I mean, I kind of played the the dream Vegas golf here for a little while.
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You know, I played Southern Highlands a couple times.
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I've played the Summit once.
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The Summit was the experience of the Summit was awesome.
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Um you know, uh I haven't played Shadow, unfortunately.
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Um, haven't played Cascada.
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Um there's still time.
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You played Wolf Creek.
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I did play Wolf Creek.
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That's another that's on my list.
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Wolf Creek was fun.
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It's uh it's not a golf course I don't want to play every day, but it was a blast.
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No, but it's one it's one you want to experience.
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It's and I I've always said, and I mean Joe will attest to this too, because we Wolf Creek wasn't high on our rankings, and everybody's like, how the hell is Wolf Creek not in top five?
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It's it's so did you when you did your rankings, did you do all of Nevada or did you just do Vegas?
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Is Mesquite Nevada?
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No, we did Nevada.
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Nevada.
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Southern Nevada.
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Nevada.
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We did Southern Nevada.
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By the way, shout out Nevada, Missouri.
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He's bringing the inside jokes outside, sorry.
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Um so we no, we did all Southern Nevada.
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Basically, we include the maskey courses we played.
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Okay.
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Um I mean it's you come to Vegas if you're looking for golf and you've got some money to burn, you're gonna go play Wolf Creek.
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You have to.
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You have to.
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I mean, it's it's it needs to be played.
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Not that long of a drive.
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And I've called it, I've called it visual golf porn.
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Oh, for sure.
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It's that's exactly what it is.
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For sure.
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It's not a golf course for quotes, in my opinion.
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Right.
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It's it's you know, it's built to make you go, holy shit, I tell you what.
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I will tell you this though, standing on number one T on that back T box.
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Back back one where you go behind the clubhouse.
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So we didn't get to play it.
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We didn't get to play it from back there.
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Um, but they were nice enough to let us go take some pictures and and stand back there.
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The the tees weren't there.
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So what?
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So fall on the ground and hit it.
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That's that's what Andrew did.
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I was trying to get them to let me do that, but they wouldn't.
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But uh where you gotta take the hike underneath the trees and I wanted I wanted to play it so bad, but you can't even see half the hole.
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We got to we got to go back there and look, and it was awesome.
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But and then the hike up number two.
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So yeah, the hike up, so we did get to play the back two box on number two.
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We were far enough away from the clubhouse that you know we just kind of threw threw a T down and went.
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It's like going visiting the Dalai Lama.
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You get to the top, you're halfway there, you might as well just keep going.
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Right?
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But uh, like you say, it's it's one of those things, it's an experience, you gotta do it once.
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Um, like I say, would I want to do it all every day?
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No.
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But it was a blast.
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So LBCC was in good shape.
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It was.
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T to green was in great shape.
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The greens rolled really well, they were just a little bit on the slow side, but like I say, I kind of we kind of expect it right now.
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Well, we found out TBC punched twice.
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Yeah, which I why would you have to punch?
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TBC Vegas.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Why would you have to punch twice?
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That's a good question.
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That baffled me.
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So we had Especially with no play.
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Yeah.
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So we had uh at Paradise Valley in Phoenix, we had um the hydro punch.
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So rather than actually punching the greens, it shoots pressurized water into the greens.
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So it does the same thing, but it heals a lot faster, number one.
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And number two, it's such a small mark.
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It's not sand it or not.
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Yeah, you don't really have to do anything except roll it tomorrow and it's fine.
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So Paradise Valley Country Club.
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Yeah, Paradise Valley Country Club.
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Not to be confused with the other Paradise Valley course.
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There's a Paradise Valley golf course and a Paradise Valley Country Club.
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Two different worlds.
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It's like Las Vegas Golf Club and Las Vegas Country Club.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Just exactly.
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So no one goes to the regular one and goes, wait! Expecting.
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No, but it I tell you what though, PV, those greens out there are faster than your putting green here.
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They're it is terrifying.
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Yeah.
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If you're if you're above the hole, you are dead.
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Dead.
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And and the BBGB green rolls at about a 13 and a half.
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So So maybe maybe a little bit of an overstatement there.
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But oh come on.
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No.
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The PV being faster than these.
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Maybe a little bit of an overstatement.
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But they're real fast.
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We actually I did see them what was it?
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It was Monster Day.
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So they do a like at the end of every season, they do this Monster Day thing.
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So there's a bunch of ridges and stuff like that where they put stupid in the middle of the ridge where you're either making it or you got an eight-footer coming back.
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Yeah.
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So they do a bunch of that stuff.
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And it's kind of the last day of the season.
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Midget revenge.
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Yeah.
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So it's the last day of the season.
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And uh so they put all the pins in the hard spots, they let the greens dry out a little bit, they cut them super low, and they got up to I think the first year I was there, they were 14s.
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Which is out there, so they roll every day at about a 12, 12 and a half.
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Wow.
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Every day.
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The very oh so they so they they do um top dressing every Monday.
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So they don't punch, but they sand every Monday.
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And then the employees get to play on Mondays.
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So I brought a buddy of mine out, actually, James.
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So I brought a buddy of mine out, and uh, so we're standing on the T-box, and you can see the green from the T-box and it looks all brown.
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He's like, dude, are these greens dead or what?
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I was like, they're not dead, they're sanded, but that's all, they're not punched or anything like that.
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They're just sanded.
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And he goes, Dude, I thought you said these greens were gonna be perfect.
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I was like, dude, I'm telling you, just I'm telling you, don't hit it above the hole, because even with the sand, they're still rolling 12.
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And so he hits his he hits a good T-shot dead down the middle of the fairway.
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It's a little dog bug left, nothing crazy.
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Hits his t-shot dead down the middle of the fairway, has a wedge in the green, hits it about six feet above the hole, dead online, goes right over the top of the flag stick, finishes about six feet, and he hits his putt like a normal six-footer, and it literally rolls down off the front of the green, and there's about a probably about ten feet worth of hill in front of the green, rolls all the way down that ten feet back into the fairway.
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And he turned around and looked at me and he's like, All right, like, is this how this is gonna be all day?
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I was like, I told you, don't hit it above the hole.
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He looks at me and he so you gotta know James.
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But he looks at me and he's like, This is stupid.
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I'm going home.
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Oh no.
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And I'm like, dude, like, do you know how many strings I had to pull to get you out of here?
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Like, you're not going home.
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He's like, No, I'm not gonna go home, but like, I'm gonna keep it below the hole.
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Yeah.
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Well, the the first time I played Coyote Springs, have you have you made it to Coyote?
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Yeah, okay.
00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:57.440
So the first time I played Coyote, because when it first opened, it was real high end.
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It's a little hidden gym out there, too.
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It was very much so.
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Um, it was like 220 bucks for a round of golf, and you had to have a caddy.
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Really?
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Yeah, that's that's how it was very super exclusive.
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Because originally that was supposed to be the Palm Springs of Nevada.
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Yeah.
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Notice I said Nevada.
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Nevada.
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There was supposed to be four total courses.
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Um, and that's why originally it was called the Chase at Coyote Springs because it was gonna be one of four courses at Coyote Springs.
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Yeah.
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Um, and then when all that hit the fan, they just changed.
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Well, it's just called Coyote Springs.
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Now it's only one course.
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That was the that was the recession in what, 2000?
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Uh a little bit, some eight, nine, some bad land deals from our former uh senators' kids and yeah, bad stuff.
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Um so uh when they decided, well, we're gonna go bankrupt if we don't open this up to the public.
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Um, so uh the first time we went out there, it was after the overseed.
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Well, they actually they don't overseed over there.
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It was it was in the fall.
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They don't they don't say I think we played it during overseas.
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Yeah, they don't they don't overseed out there.
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Yeah, um biggrass greens too, right?
00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:13.359
And so we get out there and it was pure and but the greens, and you know those greens, they're tough.
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And anybody that hasn't played it, if you get a chance out there, they they were easily rolling out of 13.
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Unreal, easily rolling out of 13.
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I had 44 putts on the day with three or four putts.
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Jeez.
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Because I had never put it on greens that fast.
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Yeah, you know, this is going back eight years, yeah.
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You know, I'd never put it on greens that fast.
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I've never put it on greens with that much undulation.
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It was insane.
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Um, but they have Mitch's Revenge out there every year.
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Yep.
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And um that's where Mitch is the dog, right?
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Mitch is the dog.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Since since passed away.
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The golf course dog.
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Before a cold one happened.
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Yeah, right.
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Um uh, but they tip it out to like to where your right foot, your back foot, is off the T-box.
00:18:54.480 --> 00:19:00.079
Yeah, that's how far back they put it, yeah, and put the pins in ridiculous and it, I mean, out there 7600 is what it tips out at.
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Jeez.
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It's long.
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It's so long.
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And uh they uh the I played it this last Andrew and I have played it two years in a row.
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So this will be the third year we played in it coming up in September.
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And uh, but it's been ridiculous win, like 30, 40 mile-an hour wins.
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It gets blusty out there, so they couldn't have fast greens, yeah.
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You know, so they were rolling at like nine, nine, ten, which is still fast for out there, yeah.
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But I mean, could you imagine in 40 mile an hour winds and 13 the ball wouldn't stay on that?
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That would be nuts.
00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:34.079
So here's a question for you.
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So, average golfer, would you think that golf courses, I mean, assuming it's not super windy and all that, right?
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Normal conditions, do you think the speed of the greens depends or determines how well your average golfer plays or doesn't play?
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Out there?
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Anywhere.
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Oh, anywhere at the speed of the greens?
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Uh and what I guess I guess the real question is, would you say the worse the player gets, the slower the greens should be, or would you say the faster the green should be?
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Well, I would say me, I putt better on faster greens because I like knowing what the ball's gonna do.
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I don't want the grass to dictate what my ball's gonna do.
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I want my stroke to dictate it.
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Okay.
00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:24.079
So slow greens just mess with me.
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So if we assume that they roll the same, granted we know they wouldn't, but assuming they did.
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Um would you think slow or fast?
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Dictates how good a player is?
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Yeah.
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I think slow greens would make a player worse.
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Okay.
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That's my you think it would result in lower scores, though?
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No.
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No?
00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:46.880
No, I don't.
00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:54.079
So that's been that's been kind of the battle for a lot of courses, depending on where they're at and what the kind of average handicap is.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Determines how fast or how slow the greens go.
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Yeah, I I think where that comes into play is a lot of courses don't put the time and resources into making the greens as pure as they can be.
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Sure.
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And then if you have that and somebody's used, like let's say somebody comes out here from Texas or wherever, and they're not used to putting on fast greens, they're not gonna have a good time.
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Sure.
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So I I can see that.
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Sure.
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But I think if everybody tried to have it's just it's impossible to do.
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So I think I think the common thing for most, I don't want to say average golfers, but the I think the biggest issue for a lot of golfers is speed control.
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And I think the biggest issue from what I've seen, you know, I do clip hitting for a living.
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I think from what I've seen when I ask people what their misses a lot of times, it's not always left or right.
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We get some of that, but it's short or long.
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And I feel like I get more of I tend to hit it too far than I tend to hit it too short.
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Yeah.
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So I think having a little bit slower green for those guys.
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Or girls.
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I think having I think having a little bit slower green isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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So I if you're used, I think if like if we go, I'm playing Lecena tomorrow, and if the greens are rolling at an eight again, I'm gonna be a little bit more prepared for it.
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Need a fourth?
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No.
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Man.
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Joe Joe had to book the tea time ahead of us because my my buddy Pat's coming into town.
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Okay.
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And so I booked two of us.
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Need an eighth?
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Need an eighth.
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It was just two of us.
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And so after after I got the booking, I called Joe and I'm like, hey, um, do you want to play Saturday morning 723?
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Call him right now.
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So he called and he's like, not available.
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And I'm like, just booked it.
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And I said, I go, you called?
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Not looking online.
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He said, yeah, I called.
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And so then he booked the time after.
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So hopefully Mark will let us do some little rearrange.
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Swapping.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But no, they're booked up.
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Man.
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Which is good to see.
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I I believe it.
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Yeah.
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I believe it.
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You keep everybody in the house for that long.
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Everybody wants to get outside.
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My goodness.
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Tell you what, man.
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It's crazy.
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It is a crazy world.
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So, Ava, let's get into you.
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Oh, here we go.
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You've been so quiet.
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Here we go.
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I'm just listening to the great combo.
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Let's happen.
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Let's talk about your golf life.
00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:19.920
You're you're a golfer.
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We're we have a golf girl on the show.
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Well, we're all golfers.
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So let's be honest.
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I've played plenty of golf with a lot of people.
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She is much, much more skilled than anybody I've ever played golf with.
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Oh, pretty solid.
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:38.160
She's a solid stick.
00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:40.640
He's just being a good boyfriend.
00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:44.640
No, I've heard from other people too that you can sling it.
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:45.599
You've never played with her, huh?
00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:46.000
No.
00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:47.759
That's very so Ryan has played with her.
00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:48.400
Yes, I know.
00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:54.640
And you pretty pretty handily, if I do say so myself.
00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:55.599
Oh my goodness.
00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:57.599
So what what's your handicap at right now?
00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:02.079
So um, because I just because I actually took a couple years off of golf.
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:13.680
And so just earlier this year I got my handicap back, and I was down to I think I was a a plus one, or no, I'm still in, I think I'm a plus one.
00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:16.079
Yeah, somewhere between scratch and yeah.
00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:17.759
Just a some, just a plus one.
00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:19.279
Um, yeah, no big deal.
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:20.079
Just a plus one.
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:25.680
And when I was playing a lot more, I think I was like a 0.6 or something along those lines.
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:29.119
So yeah, I've played a lot of golf, a lot of competitive golf for sure.
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:29.519
Yeah.
00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:34.960
Um but uh so my journey with golf uh started when I was eight.
00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:37.039
My mom actually got me into the game.
00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:39.680
So shout out to all the mom golfers out there.
00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:44.960
I tell you what, her so her mom, I had had the pleasure of fitting her mom for some golf clubs.
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:46.480
Her mom's gotta move too.
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:46.880
Yeah.
00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:47.440
Yeah.
00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:49.039
Yeah, my mom actually stud?
00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:52.640
Yeah, my mom played softball in college, so she's an athlete.
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.480
She uh pitched for Fresno State back in the early 80s.
00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:58.400
So two perfect games for the record.
00:24:58.559 --> 00:24:58.880
Yeah.
00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:00.480
Whole bunch of no-hitters.
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:00.960
Yeah.
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:01.680
No big deal.
00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:02.319
No big deal.
00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:03.279
She's just a stud.
00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:03.599
Yeah.
00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:05.680
So had her number retired the whole nine, you know.
00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:06.079
Yeah.
00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:06.960
No big deal.
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:08.240
She's my mom.
00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:09.119
No, no big deal.
00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:09.759
Yeah.
00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:16.559
So she's obviously an athlete, but obviously there's nowhere for women to go after softball once they play college.
00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:19.119
So she ended up getting into golf herself.
00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:22.559
And once she had me and my sister, she wanted us to get into golf.
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:24.480
So I started when I was eight.
00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:28.160
Um, but I played all the other sports, obviously, like most kids do.
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:30.240
I wasn't like, that's all I'm doing.
00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:36.960
Um, and then once I got into high school, um, I kind of slowly got back into golf.
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:38.640
Like I played on the golf team and stuff.
00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:43.039
And by my junior year is when I just decided to really take it seriously.
00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:46.720
And I had aspirations to obviously turn pro at some point in my life.
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:56.079
So from my junior year for seven years straight, and that's one year of college, I went to Biola University in 2012, 2013.
00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:03.200
And then after going to Biola for a year, I decided to do cactus tour for about four or four and a half years, solid.
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:09.519
Like, so for seven years straight, it was like three of them was school and golf, and then four of them was just golf.
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:11.759
So had a lot of golf.
00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:13.759
What was the cactus tour like for you?
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:15.279
Oh, cactus tour.
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:24.000
It's uh, I mean, as a female golfer, like we're just grateful we have a tour like cactus tour available to us.
00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:28.319
Um, Mike Brown runs the cactus tour, and he's awesome.
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:29.759
He's an interesting character.
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:30.880
Mike's hilarious.
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:50.240
Mike is, you just have to know he has no filter because like a lot of moms, a lot of dad, like there's a lot of parents that meet him, and like they are like, oh my god, this guy will just talk about, you know, like periods and tampons, and oh yeah, I have all this stuff here with me and snacks for the girls, and he'll make all kinds of just raunchy jokes.
00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:52.240
So just be prepared when you meet him.
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:53.200
You've been warned.
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:54.160
I tell you what, though.
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:57.440
That's probably the first menstrual talk we've had on the show.
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:06.640
I tell you what though, like Mike, I I don't know him as well as Ava does, but the times that I've talked to him, he seems like just a just a super down-to-earth good dude.
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:08.160
He's a great guy, he's awesome.
00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:14.480
Once you get past like because again, like I think when people haven't met him, they're not expecting him to be so just like him.
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:20.720
Like, he has no filter, but he's a good guy, and he does mean well, and he does take good care of us girls.
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:30.400
Um, I think the biggest thing with the cactus tour though is because um, again, obviously it's a business and we all totally understand that.
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.359
It's just, and there's not a whole lot of funding either.
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:45.519
I know he's done such a phenomenal job trying to get as many sponsors um as he can, and he I think just picked up one this year, even, you know, despite all of what's going on, which has been awesome for the girls.
00:27:45.759 --> 00:28:02.880
But it's of course, you know, like the best, like with the exception of the Arizona Women's Open, like most of the tournaments, like there's just only a few of them, and it depends on how many girls actually play in it that determine if how like how much the winner gets.
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:07.920
And usually on average it's 2,500 to 3,000 at the most.
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:13.920
There's occasional 4,000 and like the Arizona Women's Open's five, but like again, that's just the winner.
00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:24.079
And then the you know, so if you're not winning, you're not really and even when you win, like honest to God, like even if you're winning a lot, you it would be hard to have a life out there.
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:24.799
Oh, yeah.
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:27.759
So for me, when I was on cactus, I actually stayed amateur.
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:37.839
So I was one of the few girls that just was very determined to just stay amateur unless Q school really worked out for me, or I got into an LPG event and got my card somehow.
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.920
But I was determined that like it wasn't worth being a pro on cactus.
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.599
Now that's just my personal opinion.
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:49.440
A lot of girls will tell you otherwise, but I just think that it's a lot about connections for the girls.
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:52.640
I mean, of course, for the men too, but for girls especially.
00:28:52.799 --> 00:29:11.920
Like if you don't have a bunch of followers on social media, or you don't just have those connections in the golf industry where you're getting some stuff for free, or even just free training, or like I don't know, just something where you can travel and do what you need to do so you can just focus on golf.
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:13.680
Mini tour is rough.
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:14.880
Um, absolutely.
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.279
So again, it's rough for the boys too.
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:17.759
It is.
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:27.440
I know I had James on the show a couple weeks ago, and and he's been grinding after UNLV for you know five years now, and it's it's it's a grind, it's tough.
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:39.279
And the men, so what's hard for the men is because obviously they have that many more guys wanting to be a professional athlete, and then of course a lot of them results golf because they played other sports or whatever.
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:43.519
Um, but for the men, what's tough is it's more of a winner takes all.
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:51.920
But as a female athlete or or as a female golfer, it's like, well, at least the winner makes enough, like they'll make six grand when we make three grand.
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:56.160
So we have to win two tournaments back to back just for it to really be worth our wild.
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:56.640
Yeah.
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:02.880
Um, so at least for the men, it's like if you are that talented on mini tour circuit, you could do very well.
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:10.960
For the girls, it's like it's an essential for you to be winning or being in that top, just so you're making your money back and you're able to go to the next tournament.
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.599
Would you say though, that part of the reason that the purses are so much higher with the men?
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:22.720
I know sponsorships and things like that have a lot to do with it, but would you also say that because there are generally more of us?
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:27.200
Yeah, well, like I said, there are generally more of us playing, there's more entry fees going into that pot.
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:27.839
Yeah.
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.240
I wouldn't think that determines part of that too.
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:30.880
For sure.
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.880
Well, on the other upside too for the men is they have so many options with mini tours.
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:41.200
There's a lot of not like so for women there's some new ones starting to come out for the women too, right?
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:44.559
So there's cactus, which has been around for over 10 years now.
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:44.799
Right.
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:49.039
Um, and there's women's all pro tour, which is pretty new, right?
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:49.680
Yes.
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:55.039
But we're but I'm I was so happy to hear that there was something, and that one's based mostly out of Texas.
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:58.640
I know they do Louisiana and a couple other places, but it's mostly Texas.
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:00.960
So that is available to the girls.
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.440
Um, and then there used to be a Florida tour.
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.160
I'm not sure if they're still doing their thing.
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:14.079
Um, it used to be the Sun Coast tour, and I forgot what they ended up changing it to, but there was one in Florida also.
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.599
But I, you know, right now I think it's Cactus and Women's All Pro.
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:21.440
And Women's All Pro is better um winnings and earnings.
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:27.039
And I know a lot of girls when I was playing in Canada, the winnings and earnings were really good.
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.000
But of course, with taxes and stuff, that can play a part.
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.640
But at least, so there's options for the pros.
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:38.400
Like, I don't want it to sound like I'm just like it's not worth it totally, but you really have to be smart about it.
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:44.720
And I think a lot of girls jump right into well, they're excited because they graduated college and they want to be a professional golfer.
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:49.920
And I get that, like, even for myself, it was really hard at times because I my game was getting good.
00:31:50.240 --> 00:32:10.559
But yeah, just really think before you turn pro because I think some girls bite off more than they can chew, and like they'll be playing really good on cactus, they'll win tournaments and everything, and then they get to that first stage at Q-school, which is$2,500 for the first stage, and that's just the entry fee, and then they don't make the cut, and it's like, oh my god, my whole year was a waste.
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:12.720
And you just start, it gets in your head after that.
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:19.920
Dana Kingstein, um, she uh left UNLV, graduated that summer, went to Cactus Tour.
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:21.440
She's uh she's from Phoenix, right?
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:22.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:22.960
Won three out of four.
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:23.920
I think I know her dad.
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:24.319
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:25.359
Said that before, yeah.
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:28.559
Yeah, uh, she won three out of four events on the cactus tour.
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:32.799
Uh she's played five events, won three out of or played four events, won three out of four.
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:33.440
That's awesome.
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:40.240
Um, went to Symmetra, um, finished uh top 20 in Symmetra, so she got her card.
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:40.880
Yep.
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.680
And then didn't play very well.
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:44.160
Yeah.
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.839
And lost her card, had to go back to Symmetra.
00:32:48.160 --> 00:33:04.000
Um, and uh she finished um that season, finished enough to get her card back last season, and but she didn't finish in the top money, so she had to go back to Q school and she went to like the final stage probably.
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:06.960
Went to the final stage and finished top five, I think.
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:08.000
So she got her card back.
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:08.559
Good.
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:09.599
Um thank god.
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:14.480
But so when I when I was talking to her, um, I was like, so what was the big difference?
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:20.079
And she goes, Well, you know, at college, you're lugging your own bag around, there's no fans.
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:20.400
Right.
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:25.519
She goes, You go to Cactus Tour, there's other people on the course that are playing, right?
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:27.119
You know, yeah, that was the other thing.
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.400
And then Symmetric tour, it's basically the same thing.
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:36.079
She goes, and then you go to the LPGA, and there's cameras, and there's crowds, and there's ropes.
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.880
And she goes, it was a huge culture shock.
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:41.279
I just wasn't expecting that.
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:47.440
And so now she's kind of refocused and looking forward to it, but then this crap happens.
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:52.240
So I know there was because the founders were supposed to be here first event of the year.
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:56.400
Oh in her hometown, you know, and so that.
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:57.599
So, okay, question for you.
00:33:57.920 --> 00:33:58.079
Okay.
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:05.279
I always get the um when talking about ladies golf, why are the South Koreans so dominant?
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.159
I mean, like, I I'll be real honest.
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:15.440
Like, I just it's one of those questions that I'm just kind of like, I mean, I don't know.
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:26.719
Like, it's not like um because like no one questions all the white girls who've dominated for so long because you know, it's just one of those things where I just feel like I don't think it's a culture thing.
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:42.239
I think it's just there's just a lot of talent out there, and I think that, you know, just like like a lot of Americans that dominated for a long time, again, mind you, when the LPJ started, obviously women weren't really supposed to be golfing at all, and I get all that.
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:55.760
So, of course, only white women were allowed to, but it's just one of those things where I just feel like, you know, I think it's it's gonna be interesting to see 20, 30 years from now that there's another country that's dominating in women's golf.
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:56.480
Like, we don't know.
00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:00.960
It's just currently it's all the Koreans, which is awesome and good for them.
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.199
Um, but like, yeah, I don't know.
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:16.480
I don't know if there's really a do you like the way the LPGA has embraced the worldwide game where I think the PGA is so US focused, and then they got the Euro Tour over there, right?
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:22.639
Where the LBGA kind of like encompasses the planet as a I know there's other tours out there, right?
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:26.719
But when you see the LPGA, I mean they have events all over the world.
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:30.880
Oh, I think and PGA is growing to that where they're adding more events out there.
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:36.159
But I think I think Ladies Golf has some of those things, they're not quite as big as the men's are.
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.679
You know, the ladies have the LET tour, the Ladies European Tour.
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:43.360
They've got you know, they've got some stuff in other places.
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:47.440
Um I don't know, I think just me talking here.
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:57.840
I think it's like we talked about earlier, there's so many more men that are trying to make it as a pro in golf that those people have to play somewhere.
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:07.599
And so it makes it more available to have okay, so we've got the PGA tour in the US, we've got the European tour, we've got the Japanese tour, we've got the Canadian tour, we've got South American tour.
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.880
I think it I think with there being so many people trying to play.
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:11.519
Yeah.
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:18.639
Not that there's not the talent or anything like that, but there's just less of you ladies that that want to do it.
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:19.440
For sure.
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:21.119
Well, and I well, I'll say this.
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:37.679
So, like the LPGA and the girls trying to qualify um for their card for LPGA, for their LPGA card, it's grown like significantly from the moment like I quit college and was pursuing golf.
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:47.360
Like the first year I went to Q school, I remember asking one of the ladies running the tour or running the um tournament, and I asked her like how many girls were in the tournament.
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:49.519
She said 247.
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:57.119
And and I, my mind was like, oh my gosh, like that's so many girls, and like, you know, you just start thinking about stuff.
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:06.320
And since then, and at the time, we were just on two different courses that they had all the girls on, and so everyone kind of alternated, you know, by the day.
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:14.800
And then within, I want to say the next year, so this is like 2014, um, it was a little more crowded.
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:18.480
And then by 2015, they added another course.
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.760
So I believe it was 2015 when they had to add a third course.
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:26.639
So now you're having to learn three different courses for just the first stage alone.
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.480
And it's it's over 300 now for sure.
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:35.599
Um, but like, so back to what we were saying about it being a global tour.
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:40.239
I think part of that too is like you said, like they almost had to.
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:42.960
And I think it's good in some ways, you know.
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.400
But I also think too, it makes it hard.
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:54.880
So, like, of my experience with the girls I've talked to on Cactus Tour, a lot of them have said the ones that are from here in America, they have a harder time finding sponsors.
00:37:55.039 --> 00:38:02.719
They have a harder time, you know, putting themselves out there for people to notice them because they're an American.
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:15.280
And the girls who are from Australia, New Zealand, England, I'm not claiming that they all have it easy, but like they have a much easier time getting sponsors because they kind of have that element of like you're from there.
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:28.079
And it just adds, I don't know, it's it's kind of I feel bad saying this, and it's almost kind of watered down like American golf for the girls because like if you're an American, it's just kind of like, okay, what's new?
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:33.199
And so, not that you know it needs to be that way, but that's kind of one negative.
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:36.800
It's it's kind of made it hard for anyone because and that's the other thing, too.
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:37.840
Where's our base?
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.239
You know, like the PJ Tour is mostly US.
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:50.480
So the guys who are playing PJ Tour, they don't have to go overseas if they don't want to, they don't have to play the open or whatever, they can just stay here and they're always within the US for the girls.
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:51.440
You have no choice.
00:38:51.599 --> 00:39:00.079
Like you only have so many tournaments on the LPGA, you have to travel, which makes it hard for all the girls from wherever they're from to be successful.
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:01.679
Because how the hell?
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:03.360
So the start of their schedule.
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:03.679
Sorry.
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:04.960
No, no, get fired up about that.
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:05.679
Absolutely.
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:07.360
Literally, absolutely, this is good content.
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:09.280
I've literally looked into this.
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:14.320
You might have to put the explicit logo next to the uh wouldn't be the first time.
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:23.199
So I've looked at the LPJ schedule over the years because I always was curious, kind of like, okay, like you know, what tournaments, where are they usually playing?
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:32.559
So one of those years, um, I want to say it was two or three years ago, like they start in um the Bahamas, right?
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:34.079
The first tournament of the year.
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:41.119
Australia to Singapore or Malaysia, I can't remember exp specifically.
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:48.400
And then I believe there was like one or two other, like it was Singapore, Malaysia or Thailand or something like that.
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:58.000
But and then they're back in Phoenix, Arizona for the founders, for the founders, and then they go to California and then Hawaii, and now they're back over.
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:01.599
Yeah, like it's just constant, like how are you supposed to?
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:02.880
It's a lot of travel.
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:05.119
That's not that's not southwest discount miles.
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:06.239
And it's no, right?
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:10.079
And it's not like you can't take the one to get away flight for that one.
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:11.199
Yeah, no, for sure.
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:15.679
And it's not like you can't, like, so you know, because they're like, oh, no one's dominated in a while.
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:17.280
Well, yeah, no one can.
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:23.280
Because how in the world from one week to be in Malaysia and then be in Phoenix, Arizona, and be just like on it.
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:26.800
Let me let me ask you this possible just because I'm curious.
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:33.760
So, what was who was the last American female golfer that really like dominated?
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:39.119
Uh like dominated is a hard word when you've got people like Annika and Lorena for so long.
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:43.280
But like, who's the last one that had you know several wins in a year?
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:44.159
I want to say Stacy.
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:45.119
Three, four, five wins.
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:45.840
Stacy Lewis.
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:46.239
Stacey.
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:47.760
Probably Lewis when she was number one.
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:51.280
Yeah, and um well, Michelle Wee, but she really didn't Michelle.
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:52.400
She didn't dominate though.
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:53.920
Michelle Wee's never really dominated now.
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:57.920
She's just she was just a popular figure that's like, which understandable.
00:40:58.079 --> 00:40:58.239
Yeah.
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:02.159
You know, she's got the personality, she's yeah, I mean, she's good for the game, I think.
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:04.639
She's beautiful, she looks like a model, like I get it.
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:06.960
Like, and she's a good player.
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:14.159
She just didn't win enough that the uh if she won all the time, oh my gosh, she would have catapulted the LPGA.
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.559
I feel like Stacy Lewis has to be the answer, right?
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:17.360
Yeah, absolutely.
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:17.519
Yeah.
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:22.159
Stacy Lewis, or I mean, you might be able to make a little bit of a statement for Lexi Thompson.
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:23.039
Well, currently.
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:23.599
Currently.
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:24.159
That's more.
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:26.800
I mean, she's probably the best American out there right now.
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:31.599
She's the most steady and the the quarter sisters are oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:33.440
There are quarter sisters are out there now, too.
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:33.920
Yeah.
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:34.719
Yeah.
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:36.559
There's some good American golfers.
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:36.960
There is.
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:38.000
And there is.
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:43.679
I I love the fact that it's it's a global game and that we get to learn with players.
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:44.239
I do.
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:44.960
I think it's awesome.
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.840
I mean, I I would love is that a bat?
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:49.199
I don't know what that was.
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:50.960
That back twice.
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:51.519
Wow.
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:52.400
Wellers.
00:41:52.880 --> 00:42:00.719
Um I would love to see the LPGA be so big in America that they don't have to do the crazy travel.
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:01.039
Yeah.
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:03.599
Or like the PJ tour where it's occasional.
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:04.079
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:12.079
I like the, you know, because they Australia, because I know I follow Dana a lot, so I know she's always she goes to Australia every year and plays two tournaments there.
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.039
And that's a that's a grind for them.
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:15.760
It is.
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:21.360
Um, but I would love to see the tournaments have to where the girls have a choice.
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:31.039
Hey, yeah, Australian Open is cool down there, but you know, we got this tournament in, you know, Arizona this week, or we got this tournament in Colorado this week, that I would I would like to see that.
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:32.880
Oh, it would make such a difference.
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:35.679
And like, again, it's not the end of the world.
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:41.039
Obviously, the girls who play on the LPGA obviously are very cultured and they get to see all these amazing places.
00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:55.599
But when it's your livelihood and considering that the number one player in the world on the LPGA makes the same, just in earnings, not sponsorships, makes the same as the 30th place, the 30th person on the world on the PJ tour.
00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:02.320
It's it's a grind for the women, so it's like I don't feel like they get to enjoy all the experiences that maybe a PJ tour player gets.
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:04.639
Who is the number one on the LPGA right now?
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:05.760
Do we know?
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.800
I wanted to say it was the uh Jutana Garden?
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:09.199
Yes.
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:10.079
Is it which one?
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:11.360
There's two of them, right?
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.199
What is Arya and Moria?
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:19.519
I would say it was the younger one, is God suck so hard.
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:22.480
I will tell you in just a second.
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:28.320
If I'm being totally honest with you, I don't even remember who the number one on the men's side is.
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:28.880
Yeah.
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:29.840
Is it Rory?
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:30.400
Isn't it?
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:32.320
I thought it was is it still Brooks or no?
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:33.599
I don't think so.
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:35.360
I thought Rory caught him or caught up to him.
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:37.039
Bad right now.
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:39.519
Yeah, I mean it's hard to say who is.
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:42.400
We got one round of the players in, so yeah.
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:45.840
I'm uh I'm a little bummed out about the players.
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:48.559
I I what was it one round or two rounds?
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:49.039
One round.
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:49.840
It was one round, right?
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:51.840
Yeah, because more uh what's his name?
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.079
Matsuyama was tearing it up.
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:54.880
Yeah.
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:55.519
Okay.
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:57.760
Matsuyama Hideki.
00:43:58.559 --> 00:43:59.440
No, Indy Park.
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:00.719
Envy Park, really?
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:00.960
Yeah.
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:02.159
Indies back up there?
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:04.239
I love Envy Park.
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:05.920
I I miss her.
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:07.599
Oh, okay, here we go.
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:08.800
This is oh wait, hang on.
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.880
No, this isn't this is current uh this current money.
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:14.639
Rolex rankings.
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.840
That's the top ones, right?
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:18.480
Yeah.
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:23.920
So that is uh Jin Young Ko.
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:25.599
Who?
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:26.960
Her.
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:28.239
Okay.
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:29.360
Okay.
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:31.039
Yep.
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:33.440
Uh Nellie Corda is number two.
00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:34.159
Oh wow.
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:34.880
Nellie.
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.360
Yeah, she's Danielle Kang is number five.
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:38.239
She's a Vegas girl.
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:39.039
She's a Vegas girl.
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:39.280
Yep.
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:39.679
Yeah.
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:41.280
And Lexi is nine.
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:44.960
So we've got three Americans in the top ten.
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:47.519
And Jessica is 16.
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:49.679
Lizette Sallas is 19.
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.360
Where's uh where's Lexi at?
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:52.960
She fell down a little bit, I think, didn't she?
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:54.000
She was up in the top 10.
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:54.639
Isn't she nine?
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:55.199
She's nine.
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:55.519
Yeah.
00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:04.639
She's oh, I'm hoping that at some point in her career she'll really be able to take off because I'm shocked she hasn't dominated more.
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:05.679
She's what?
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:07.039
She's won two majors?
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:08.800
She she's won a few.
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.840
I know her putting just the putters.
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:14.000
She can be really a mess.
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:16.159
She can be really on, or she's just a mess.
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:20.639
Well, she's gone through so many putting changes and tried so many different things.
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:30.320
And once that gets in your head that your putter is the problem, yeah, and you just you kind of you're riding that wave until you find the perfect one.
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:30.719
Yeah.
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:48.239
I'm always gonna pull for her though, because I I want to I want to see her just kill it for a couple like I just want to see her really shine because I I think it's coming at some point, but yeah, she just has some stuff to figure out, unfortunately, because she is so talented, you know.
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:51.280
She is, she is, and she kills the golf ball.
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:51.679
Yes.
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:52.000
Yeah.
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.960
Okay, so I'm gonna continue on this women talk because I I love this.
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.599
It's uh it's kind of a unique perspective, right?
00:45:57.679 --> 00:45:58.800
We don't we don't get this a lot.
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:05.599
I don't get it a lot, and you know, I talking with um the the people from all in golfing earlier tonight, Karen.
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:11.039
She is you know, total entrepreneur, and really doing this was fun talking to her.
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:13.519
And I I've had Lindsay on from US Teamia.
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:29.760
Um, so I I love getting the different perspective because we don't get to hear it and um so on the equipment side, I know for years there's always been the women's set, the men's set, but the the way to get into this.
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:31.440
She is already ready to go here.
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:37.840
So yeah, but the women are playing the same clubs that the guys are playing for the most part.
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:40.000
Can can I answer that from a club fitting standpoint?
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:40.559
Yes, absolutely.
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:42.079
From a fitting standpoint.
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:43.039
From a fitting standpoint.
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:49.360
So for years it's been oh, you're a lady, you want to play golf, what's your favorite color?
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:50.559
We have this purple set over there.
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:51.360
Yes.
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:52.559
Sapphire.
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:58.480
Now I think that there are women that are starting to take it a lot more seriously.
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.920
And I mean, the pros, the pros are the pros.
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:04.159
We're talking about average people, right?
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.079
Yeah, we're talking about your average player.
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:13.679
I think that there is a door that is starting to open a lot for women to come in and and do fittings.
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:18.480
Um, you know, I was I was more than once I've been in there and there's been a lady in the bank.
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:19.039
Oh yeah.
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:19.519
Oh yeah.
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:25.679
Uh so being what I've done, we get probably three or four ladies a week that came in for something.
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:30.159
You know, maybe it's just a driver, maybe it's just a putter, maybe it's just irons, whatever it is.
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.400
From a fitting standpoint, I can tell you this.
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:42.079
I have fit I have fit men and women both, and I have fit half the men for stuff that technically is marked as a ladies' golf club.
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:43.119
Happens all the time.
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:43.440
Yeah.
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:46.880
It's it's based off of the golf swing, it's not based off of gender.
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:52.960
The ball doesn't know what's happening what gender you are, it only knows what the golf club delivers into it.
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:53.519
Yeah.
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.079
So so Ava's chomping at the end of the day.
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.880
So lower I so being a club fitter, right?
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:08.480
And Ava playing as much golf as she has and being as good as she is, there are more than one time that I have fit her for golf clubs.
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:14.960
And with her, now she swings it pretty fast, she hits it far, she she has a great golf swing.
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:21.840
I have put her in stuff that probably doesn't make sense to most people when they think about women's club fitting.
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:27.599
You know, she's playing her driver's shaft, should be a stiff 65 gram shaft, just like it should be for a lot of other guys.
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:27.840
Yeah.
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:36.239
Which I just want to note that as a female golfer, and up until I met David, I knew nothing about golf clubs.
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:46.239
Um, you know, whatever my coach told me to hit, because obviously you always just rely on your golf coach to tell you kind of like equipment-wise, but I was never knowledgeable when it came to golf equipment.
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:49.760
And since being with David, like I've learned so much.
00:48:49.920 --> 00:49:04.639
And something like your shaft, just the weight, I didn't realize like they can, you know, like I knew they had different weights, like I was aware of that, but I was more, I had basic understanding of like you have that flex, you have regular, and you have stiff.
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:08.239
And I was anytime I tried a stiff, it was always too stiff.
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:16.000
And it wasn't until I did get in the bay, and like I did actually have someone who was like, no, try it at this weight.
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:19.760
And I was like, wait a second, like this this is huge.
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:34.079
And I think there's a lot of great golfers like myself, like female golfers, who I think they just don't know because we're not really it's I think we're gonna eventually start going into that where more girls are gonna wanna be more educated.
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:38.880
Yeah, but I do think that for the longest time I didn't have an understanding of what I could do.
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:52.079
And I didn't realize there was places like you know, Club Champion or True Specs or Hot State, you know, like there's all these places you can get personally club fitted, and it's just it's you know, it's hard to find a place where you feel comfortable.
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.519
And like my opinion of, you know, this whole thing, unless you were finished.
00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:55.760
Sorry.
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:56.880
Oh, okay.
00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:57.280
Go ahead.
00:49:57.519 --> 00:49:59.519
So you're doing a great job.
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:01.199
You're saying it better than I probably would have said.
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:17.599
So my opinion on this whole thing is I think it just kind of goes to much bigger issue within all of you know, kind of consumer goods as a whole, with you know, there's a thing called the pink tax, you know, razors, for example.
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:18.000
Yeah.
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:22.159
They'll be pink, and so therefore, it's they're targeted to women.
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.880
Two dollars more per blade instead of yeah.
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:31.840
And because they are pink and they're targeted to women, and they assume women shop more, they're assuming we are willing to pay more.
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:37.360
And uh like most women I know now, like most of us go for the men's razors because they're cheaper and they work better.
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:42.719
We're sick of the Venice uh Venus whatever goddess crap, you know.
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:46.239
Like at this point, it's like we just Meow Venus, Meowfire.
00:50:46.559 --> 00:51:04.480
Yeah, don't say literally, it's just so I think, you know, you know, tying this back to golf, like I think it's no different, I think, that a lot of golf brands, and I don't necessarily think it's even that they'll up the price of the clubs, I think they'll keep them cheap, but like they're literally cheap.
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.119
They are what you are paying for, usually, I'm assuming.
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.000
Again, I've never bought female golf clubs before.
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:17.519
I think a lot of time I've done the custom club fitting side, I've done the the big box retailer side.
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:23.360
I think when you do the custom fitting side, a lot of times prices end up right about the same as the men's do.
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:23.840
Yeah.
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:28.000
However, I think you're again, we're talking average golfer here.
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:32.559
Your average golfer, your average female golfer isn't educated in what it could be.
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:35.199
I was a good player and I wasn't educated, so it's not easy.
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:44.719
They come into PJ Superstore or Golf Galaxy or whatever it is, and they come in and they want to buy a set of golf clubs, and that guy is okay.
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:50.320
Well, I've got this ping driver, but if you don't want that, then I've got this whole box set over here on the wall for 150 bucks and you're done.
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:50.880
Yep.
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:52.559
And it ends up that.
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:55.039
And you know, they take those clubs out.
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:56.719
First of all, they're terrible golf clubs.
00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:01.519
Terrible golf clubs, awful shafts, they're all super inconsistent, they're terrible, they're just terrible golf clubs.
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:07.519
And when you do that, you put those terrible golf clubs in your hands, what it what result do you expect other than terrible?
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:09.039
You're hurting the golfer.
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:11.360
And at that point, it doesn't become fun.
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:11.840
Yep.
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:13.840
And when it doesn't become fun, you don't play.
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:14.079
Yep.
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:19.039
And when you don't play, obviously you don't get better and and the industry suffers from that.
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:24.079
So I think there's a unique situation right now where more women are starting to play.
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:29.519
Um, and more women are starting to become somewhat knowledgeable in what's out there.
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:33.679
Um I give Ava a hard time every once in a while, she's super into reviews, right?
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:42.159
So so there's more women out there that are starting to read these reviews and see what, you know, form a general idea of what's good or what's bad.
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:47.920
And, you know, there's some trust that goes into it, you know, finding the right fitter that that speaks your language, essentially, right?
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:48.320
Yeah.
00:52:48.480 --> 00:53:07.280
Um, and when you find that person that sees you and respects you for what you are and the golf swing that you've got and the amount of work that you want to put in to get to a certain level, I think finding that person and working with that person to figure out what clubs work the best with you.
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:11.119
Gender aside, men and women works the same way.
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:19.920
It's just crazy because I know if if you put the shaft that you swing in the head that I play, you would hit it just as good, if not better, than me.
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:24.239
It it's the it doesn't have to be, it's it's always bugged me.
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:34.159
And it it's because my wife played college sports and I have two girls, so I'm it's it's more privy to me to have that perspective on it.
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:37.519
But it's just it just kills me that it's that way.
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:39.039
There's yeah, that it's that way.
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:44.400
And I mean, because I'm sitting across from the table of a girl that could whoop me on the golf course.
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:46.480
So it's not let's be clear.
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:47.920
She whips me on the golf course, too.
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:50.800
It's sweet.
00:53:50.960 --> 00:54:00.880
It's it's crazy that I feel that the women have been so like you have to buy this because you're a late because it's pink and it's pretty.
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:13.280
And Lexi's holding it, and it's just Well, and the amount of times like I've gone into like the PJ Superstore and they will hand me like a legit ladies club because and I'm like, no, no, I need that.
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:17.519
Like I need like at that time, I used to just say, like, oh, I need like a regular shaft.
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:21.760
Yeah, like I knew enough to be like, I need a regular shaft, and they're like, Are you sure?
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:25.039
Like, I would literally get them saying, like, are you sure?
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:26.880
Like, okay, well, we'll try it.
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:29.760
And then I hit a shot and they're like, Oh, oh, you can play.
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:30.320
Oh, okay.
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:31.519
I was like, I'm sorry.
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:32.800
And I'm like, yeah.
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:37.679
I walked in a couple years ago to a golf galaxy one day.
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:42.559
And uh, no, it was before it was uh before Golfsman shut down as golfsmith.
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:47.519
And uh, so I was pretty new to the Phoenix area.
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:56.719
Um spent a lot of time in Phoenix, learned, met some people, and and built a little bit of a reputation for myself so people kinda knew who I was.
00:54:56.960 --> 00:54:59.440
But when I first moved there, nobody knew who I was.
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:09.199
And uh so I went into this golf store, went into golf uh golfsmith, and uh like I'm wearing like some old basketball shorts and then some ratty t-shirt and got my hat on backwards in the whole nine, right?
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:15.360
And I walk in and kind of looking around a little bit and looking at some stuff, and guy walks up and hey man, can I help you?
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:16.239
Like, what are you looking for?
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:16.960
Or anything like that?
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:22.320
I was like, Oh, you know, I'm kinda in the market for some for some irons and you know, kind of want to see what what's out there.
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:26.239
And the first move was he went straight to the box sets.
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:27.760
First move.
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:28.320
Wow.
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:32.639
Went straight to the box sets, and he's like, Oh, well, like these are super cheap, they're pretty good, like for what they are.
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:35.840
They're it's a great set of golf clubs, perfect for somebody getting into the game.
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:36.800
I was like, Oh.
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:38.159
Oh, what's your spiff on those?
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:40.719
And uh I was like, okay, cool.
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:46.320
But if I didn't want to do a box set, what's the like what what else do you think is good?
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:53.920
And he's like, Well, I mean, there's uh I think he threw out like the rocket blades were out at the time or something like that, tailor-made rocket blades.
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:57.760
He's like, These are pretty good, you know, they're pretty light, they're they're good golf clubs.
00:55:57.840 --> 00:55:58.719
I was like, okay.
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.039
And so he hands me one to hit, right?
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:04.880
We're standing next to the bay, he hands it to me, he's like, hey, like jump in there, hit a couple balls who think.
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.400
And so hands me like a senior graphite shaft.
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:12.480
And I literally, literally turned around and I was like, You sure you want me to hit that?
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:13.760
And he's like, Yeah, like why?
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:15.679
I was like, Do you guys sell fishing poles?
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:16.880
He's like, What do you mean?
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:21.599
I was like, Well, you this is a 45 gram A-Flex golf shaft.
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:25.840
And he like at that point, I think he knew that like I actually knew what I was looking at.
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:30.480
And uh, so he's like, Oh, like what like how fast do you swing it?
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.639
I was like, Fat faster than that.
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:34.639
And so he he's like, Oh, okay.
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:38.400
So he walks around the corner and grabs the steel regular shaft and he hands it to me.
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:42.880
And I'm like, You got like something with an X100 in it?
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:45.679
And he goes, Oh, and like hands me one, right?
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:55.440
And so I it was still a speed blade or rocket blade or whatever it was at the time, rocket balls maybe, and hands me a seven iron, and I hit the seven iron like 190 yards, something like that.
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:59.840
Dude turns around and like starts digging through all the the crazy shafts and stuff.
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:03.440
I'm like, dude, like I know I don't look like it right now, but like I know what I'm doing.
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:10.159
Like I can swing a golf club, don't like, but you get that so much, and I saw it every day.
00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:13.199
We had I had a guy come in when we first opened that store.
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:20.400
Um, had a guy come in, he was in town on vacation, and uh so he comes in and we watched him pull up.
00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:25.599
He was driving a like an old Ford like 1980 something Ford farm truck.
00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:30.719
Got the got the uh got the hay pick in the back, got the whole nine, right?
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:32.079
Farm boy, right?
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:40.559
Comes in with his old beat-up jeans and wearing an old beat up t-shirt and got his old like sweated through like dad hat on, right?
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:44.159
Got the dad shoes that are green from cutting the grass, like the whole nine, right?
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:49.360
And so you get to talking to him a little bit and you know, you start asking him some questions, you know, is there kind of a budget we're looking for?
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:53.199
Like what what exactly are we looking for out of the golf clubs, like all that stuff, right?
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:57.599
And when I asked the budget question, he just kind of looked at me and he's like, you know, I'm I'm here.
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:03.119
Um, I've got the money to buy the golf clubs, like I'm not really worried about the price.
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:05.920
I just want to know that whatever I get works.
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:08.800
I'm like, all right, so like is there kind of a ballpark?
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:12.079
You know, it can get kind of expensive going full custom everything, right?
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:14.880
You know, we're all familiar with the price of PXGs.
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:20.320
You know, it can go from that all the way down to you know, it can go 150 bucks a club and we're out of here.
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:22.960
So, you know, is there kind of a kind of a ballpark?
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:25.360
And he's like, Look, man, I'm not worried about it.
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:29.920
He's like, if it comes down to PXGs, like it does, you know, it does, right?
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:38.320
And so the whole time I'm fitting this dude and then I'm grabbing all the stuff off the wall, like everything that I think might work, some of them being PXGs, some of them being a little bit less, like all that stuff, right?
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:40.960
And it comes down to it that the PXGs work the best.
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:45.840
And the whole time I'm doing this fitting, I'm like, I don't think he really knows what pieces are gonna cost, right?
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:50.639
Yeah, and so so we get done with the fitting, right?
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:53.440
And total everything up for him, give him the price.
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:56.960
It's like seven, almost eight grand for the whole PXG bag, right?
00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:01.599
Driver through Potter PXG, everything, and upgraded shafts and the whole nine, right?
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:06.559
And so I tell the dude the price, the final price, and he's like, Okay, cool.
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:12.000
I was like, so like you're good, like we're cool, like everything's good, right?
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:13.840
Like, swipe your card, cool.
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:15.920
He's like, actually, so here's the deal.
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:18.079
So I'm in town on vacation.
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:20.320
Um, we just sold the farm.
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:22.320
Like, just sold the farm.
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:23.920
I'm like, oh, that's awesome.
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:26.239
He's like, Yeah, so we're in Vegas to celebrate.
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:32.079
Like, you know, we're out from under the farm, like everything's great, we're retired now, like, let's go to Vegas, let's celebrate.
00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:33.360
Like, that's awesome, dude.
00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:34.159
And he's like, Yeah.
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.199
So I was at the table last night until about three o'clock in the morning.
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:38.400
I was like, oh, that's awesome.
00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:39.360
Like, how much did you lose?
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:40.800
Like, just because it's Vegas, right?
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:41.920
Everybody, everybody loses, right?
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:49.039
He goes, actually, um, I made 12 grand on the table.
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:49.599
Jeez.
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:50.800
I was like, okay.
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:53.599
And he's like, and I'm in Vegas, I don't have a bank here.
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:55.360
So I've got 12 grand in cash.
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:56.719
Can I give you that?
00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:00.480
And I was like, uh yes.
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:02.159
Like, absolutely.
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:03.440
Please do.
01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:04.320
Please do.
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:06.400
So he's literally peeling off hundred dollar bills.
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:06.719
Oh.
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:10.320
Like he's got a he's got a stack never like this.
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:12.239
Just peeling off hundred dollar bills.
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:19.039
And I'm like, I'm like, this is probably the best story I've ever had in my life.
01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:22.480
So it's it's that's the thing.
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.119
You never know, you never know what that guy's got in his pocket.
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:27.199
Yeah, and I will, and I agree.
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:36.960
Like, I do think that most, like, especially if you go to like a golf galaxy or PJ Superstore, you're definitely getting people who have no idea what to expect when someone walks in.
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:45.199
So I don't fault them entirely, but obviously as a woman, yeah, like you do get targeted that much more because they do not expect you to play.
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:45.920
But never.
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:51.920
So I guess I guess my whole point with that story is that, like you say, you never know who that person is, male or female.
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:55.280
You never know who that person is, and you never know the talent that they've got.
01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:59.760
And so for me, when I see a woman come in, I don't assume anything.
01:00:59.920 --> 01:01:00.079
No.
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:05.360
Like you can you can kind of assume that maybe it's a little bit lower club head speed.
01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:09.119
That said, you know, Ava's a great player.
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:17.920
Now, that same player at that same level on the men's side, maybe you know, a little bit taller, built to hit a little bit farther, probably swings a little bit harder.
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:20.400
It's not nothing meant by that.
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:22.079
It's just it's just physics, right?
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:22.559
Yeah.
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:26.559
Um, but with that, there's also those women out there that hit it far.
01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:27.199
Oh, yeah.
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:27.440
Yeah.
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:35.119
And you know, you get the Lexi Thompsons of the world, you get the Michelle Weeze that absolutely crush the ball, and then you get the you know, the ones that don't.
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:40.639
You get the the Well, I mean, hey, Dan, she, you know, she's all of five foot one.
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:41.119
Yeah.
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:45.280
You know, and I mean she she was playing the same shafts that I have.
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:49.440
You know, and all she does is hit it, you know.
01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:50.239
How tall are you?
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:50.719
Five two?
01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:51.440
Shut up.
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:58.400
You know, she hits it 250 down the middle and puts it in the middle of the green, yeah, and two butts or makes it burdy.
01:01:58.559 --> 01:01:59.840
So the best every single time.
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:04.800
The best story that I've or I no, I don't want to say story, but the best comparison that I've got.
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:06.559
So we know Clayton, right?
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:17.360
So Clayton's wife, the every story that I ever hear about her playing golf is that she doesn't hit it real far, but she hits every fairway, she hits every green, and she rolls putts in.
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:18.960
And that's that's the game, right?
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:19.920
That's the game.
01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:24.559
And I can hit a fairway sometimes.
01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:30.559
Like, yeah, I hit it 310, 320, whatever it is, but it's not always in play.
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:30.960
Yeah.
01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:33.119
And that's that's the biggest thing.
01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:38.800
But we can get there with just about everybody, just getting them in the right equipment, whether it's male or female.
01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:52.639
Absolutely, and the equipment side is so important, and that's why like I do think that um as a community, like as the golf community continues to, you know, be a little more welcoming to women, because that's the other thing too.
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:59.920
Like, like Club Champion, for example, you know, like they don't have any pictures of women in their advertising.
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:01.760
It's all boys, it's all men.
01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:02.559
It is.
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:08.880
So like it's little things like that, and it's I mean, PJ Superstore, yes, they'll put like an LPGA player, thank God.
01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:14.800
And like they, you know, but again, that store has clothes and like they are like a whole thing.
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:16.079
This is this is my thing.
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:19.599
So I opened up the store in North Scott, so the PJ Superstore there.
01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:23.519
Um, I was one of the guys on the team that literally opened the store.
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:33.119
And so around the putting green, I don't, I'm not sure if they still have it up there or not, but around the putting green, they've got they've got like seven or eight like pictures of people.
01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:40.639
So they've got like Ricky Fowler, they've got Dustin Johnson, they've got Tiger, they've got Lexi Thompson and Blair O'Neal.
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:46.800
Like, I don't know about you, but when's the last time Blair O'Neill played in a tour event?
01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:48.320
It's been a long time.
01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:49.360
Like, has she?
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:50.800
She sells cobra gear.
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:51.519
She does.
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:55.599
And that's don't get me wrong, like she sells a lot of cobra gear.
01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:56.079
Yep.
01:03:56.400 --> 01:04:01.039
But it's not she's not relevant to the tour.
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:01.679
No, right?
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:04.400
She's on Golf Channel and she's on Instagram.
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:10.000
And and again, don't get me wrong, she's got her place in the industry, yeah, and she does very well for what she does, right?
01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:22.239
And but for your woman that wants to come in there and wants to get good at the game, that's not that she's a bad player, not who she should be, but that's not who she that's not who she should be looking at at that point.
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:32.639
Do you think with your club champion background that if there was a female fitter it would bring in more women?
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:38.639
So we've got Or would a female fitter be discouraging for a guy to come in.
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:45.119
So we've got not in Vegas, but we've got in several of our stores, we've got a lady fitter in several of our stores.
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:45.599
Yeah.
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:48.239
Um I would say this.
01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:56.000
I think that correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that women generally are a little bit more comfortable dealing with women.
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:56.719
Oh, absolutely.
01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:59.920
So I think that their numbers with women in this industry.
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:00.559
Yeah.
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:04.400
I think, I think I mean it's it's like everything, you know.
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:10.960
As weird as it sounds, we get a lot of customers in there that are are at the top of whatever they do for a living.
01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:15.760
You know, we get a lot of really, really good lawyers that come in that are at the top of their game.
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:19.280
We get a lot of doctors that are at the top of their game, surgeons that are at the top of their game.
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:21.679
We get a lot of people that are at the top of their game.
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:26.320
And golf is that one thing that nobody thinks they're good at, right?
01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:33.760
And so it's it's hard as your average player to come in and okay, we're gonna do nothing but make you super uncomfortable.
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:36.000
You're gonna be doing the thing that you're the worst at.
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:36.960
We're gonna humble you.
01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:42.880
We're gonna do the thing that you are worst at in front of one guy for three and a half hours.
01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:43.519
Yeah.
01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:50.239
Like that's a scary that's a scary thing for a lot of people, and and maybe more so for women than it is for men.
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:58.400
Um, okay, so well, so as a so as a good player, it's different, I think, than than your average woman that comes in there.
01:05:58.639 --> 01:05:58.960
For sure.
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:20.239
But can I can I say Do something so so as you were pointing out, you know, do you think that a woman would be more comfortable with a female fitter or or and is uh a male um golfer gonna be more uncomfortable with a female fitter?
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:27.440
Like who's gonna like and this is my thing with the golf industry as a whole, is you like I've played a lot of golf.
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:39.840
I've played a I've played with a lot of people from all walks of life, and I have quite a few stories, sadly, of just men not wanting to play, like you know, when you join up because everything's slow.
01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:46.960
Yeah, I I had a I I had a man tell me I was doing a practice round for a high school event.
01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:55.920
I was 16 years old, and I had hit my pea shot, and we had just asked him and his uh playing partner, like, hey, did you want to join me?
01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:58.480
It's just me by myself, and it's slow.
01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:01.840
And they said no, and we're like, okay, that's you know, that's up to them.
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:10.000
Um, and then I hit my shot and I'm walking back to my golf cart, and his comment was, like, shouldn't you be chasing boys?
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:11.280
Wow.
01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:11.599
Yeah.
01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:16.079
So, and you know, I won't get into every people do suck.
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:26.239
I won't get into every story I've ever experienced, but like you get those type of men who, yes, when they're around women and they're just because see, the thing is is he said no to me probably because he thought I wasn't very good.
01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:29.280
Then when he saw I was good, now he's gotta demean you.
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:29.679
Yeah.
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.400
Now he's he's gotta say something to make him feel better about himself.
01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:35.519
And it's just like so it's interesting.
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:43.119
I feel like for women, we're a little bit more because we don't care, like we're not so like we can handle a male fitter as long as they respect us.
01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:45.280
I think that's all we want as females.
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:45.760
Yeah.
01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:51.280
But for the men, it's interesting how especially with golf, you see a lot of it.
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:58.239
Like you just you get some you get some egos because again, it's golf, you do, and there's you know, and it is expensive.
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:02.320
And for some people, you know, it's just that kind of elite, like whatever.
01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:05.920
You do get a lot of lawyers and doctors, and people are very successful.
01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:14.239
And so, and you get a lot of men, unfortunately, who are there to get away from the quote unquote their wife and kids, and like the old ball and chain, right?
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:20.640
Yeah, hit on the 19-year-old cart girl and like get drunk and piss in the bushes.
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:25.520
Like, like that's I'm not saying that's how all you guys are.
01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:27.199
Some of you men are wonderful and great.
01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:29.920
I'm not saying you're all bad, but you do get that kind of mentality.
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:44.159
Absolutely, you do, and and that's I think it's more of an issue of you know, men coming into the store and hopefully just not treating the female fitter like she's any different or less qualified because she's a female for whatever reason.
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:50.159
With that being said, I do think there's a lot of men who actually would feel more comfortable with a woman, despite that.
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:52.319
I think it's just gonna depend on the guy, obviously.
01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:52.640
Yeah.
01:08:52.880 --> 01:09:04.479
Because I I hear from a lot of older men, a lot of senior men who um will say things like, you know, I actually prefer uh watching females play because they're closer to what they do.
01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:09.119
I'll watch the LPGA all the time because the shots that they're hitting are the shots that I hit.
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:10.159
Yeah, yeah.
01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:13.039
And it's more realistic distance-wise and stuff.
01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:15.600
As much as I love watching the guys on the LP.
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:16.800
Oh, and they're amazing.
01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:20.239
I can't relate to that.
01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:20.800
Absolutely.
01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:23.199
I mean, you can't relate to it, but you're closer.
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:26.159
Yeah, absolutely.
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:27.760
Absolutely.
01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:28.560
I don't know.
01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:36.319
I so I guess to answer the question from from the the club champion side, we do have a lot of lady fitters.
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:39.600
Um I'm not gonna say we have as many as we do the guys.
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:42.159
Obviously, that's that number is obviously not there.
01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:48.560
But I think it's I think that's surprising to me because I didn't think honestly that you'd have that many.
01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:51.920
We have, and so that's that's nice for me to know that.
01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:55.439
We have quite a few where women are like interested in that side of the sport.
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:57.600
It's a it's a double-digit number.
01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:03.760
It uh I'm not gonna say it's a big double-digit number, but it's a double-digit number of of girls that that do what we do.
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:05.039
Um, and they're great.
01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:06.640
They they do a great job.
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:18.000
Um, I've had a couple people that have come in that have either moved to Vegas or were here on you know vacation or business or whatever, um, that have come in and said, hey, you know, I got fit by so-and-so in whatever city.
01:10:18.319 --> 01:10:26.720
And there's some that have come in with with, hey, I got fit by this girl at this store, and you know, I got fit for irons, and they've been the best irons I've ever had.
01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:28.000
Like that's awesome to me.
01:10:28.159 --> 01:10:28.880
I love hearing that.
01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:30.159
That is awesome to me.
01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:47.920
And I think I guess to kind of answer the question, I think that the numbers with women fitters with women customers, I think maybe to a point they do a little bit better with the women sometimes than than you know, maybe some of the men do.
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:48.640
I can see that.
01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:50.880
Just you know, that comfort level is there, right?
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:54.479
You know, I'm a woman going in to get fit by a woman, right?
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:58.560
And I think there are certain men as well that that are okay with that.
01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:08.159
Um, but I think without putting us all in that that circle, um, I think there are some men that come in and see a woman fitter and get a little bit discouraged weirded out by it.
01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:11.039
Yeah, and it's uh it's totally within themselves.
01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:22.560
Like if they like it's it's not our fault that we're making them uncomfortable, and I think that's the issue with those guys with those mentalities because they they make it a bigger deal than it is.
01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:29.520
Yeah, don't get me wrong when I say that, you know, like I say, we're we're not all that way, but there are there are a lot of men that that feel that way about it.
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:31.279
Yeah, a lot of you men are great.
01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:35.119
Like this is I am definitely not trying to make it sound like you guys are all the worst.
01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:37.039
It's just some oh my gosh.
01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:39.680
The funny part about it is we know we suck.
01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:43.920
I've been trying to tell her, Alan, we've been together a year and some change.
01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:48.239
I've been trying to tell her for at least a year that I'm I'm a dude.
01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:52.239
But you're a good thing.
01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:52.479
Thank you.
01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:53.520
We're all yeah.
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:54.159
Thank you.
01:11:54.319 --> 01:12:06.319
Um, but yeah, I think it's and that's the other thing too, because it's interesting we are talking about, you know, even the male fitters, because again, like I'm not this isn't like club champion specific, just in general with club fitting.
01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:18.319
Like, there are club fitters that even though they see a girl and she's coming in for a fitting, they might be a little bit less like, oh, she's not gonna be willing to spend the money, or you know, I'm sure some of them can be judgy.
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:26.720
And so it's interesting for us girls because like we just because we're not as knowledgeable, there isn't as many girls who get into fields like this.
01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:39.520
And I think the more educated we get over time and the more conversations we have about this part of the golf industry, I think it'll make a huge difference for women because it's just like, you know, like cars, for example.
01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:42.319
Yeah, most girls have no idea what to do with their car.
01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:47.760
And up until I met David, like I didn't even know how to change my oil or do anything.
01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:50.640
And I've learned so much from him, and I'm so glad.
01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:58.800
And it's it's just little stuff like that where I think we need to stop making things so much like this is a male thing and this is a female thing to do.
01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:04.319
I think it's the more we educate each other, the less weird everyone is about that.
01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:06.960
Yeah, because it shouldn't be that way, right?
01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:08.319
You know, right.
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:10.560
So I'd it's all COVID's fault.
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:12.640
It is all code's fault.
01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:13.840
It is COVID.
01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:14.560
It is.
01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:15.840
I think I don't know.
01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:26.960
I think I think the bigger thing is just to find that that person that speaks your language and that you really get along with and absolutely and that goes for coaching and finding.
01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:34.720
Yeah, find that person that that communicates well with you, and find that person that knows what you want and knows how to get you what you want.
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:42.640
And I think gender aside, I mean, I'll be honest with you, I've been fit by a woman and worked out great.
01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:42.960
Yeah.
01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:45.039
I've been fit by men that worked out great.
01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:47.840
That said, I've been fit by both genders that didn't work out great.
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:48.159
Yeah.
01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:56.560
So it it I mean it's it's never it's never like yeah, it's never like a woman is the only fitter for a woman if you know this COVID thing hadn't happened.
01:13:56.720 --> 01:13:59.279
Um, what would you be doing golf-wise right now?
01:13:59.920 --> 01:14:10.800
Well, um, because I was a start of the year, I've been working with a trainer and I've been slowly trying to get kind of back into golf, like not quite as intense like before when I played golf on cactus.
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:12.079
I was full-time golf.
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:13.279
Like that's all I did.
01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:15.760
I did golf channel and tour events as well.
01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:18.239
I have a whole lot of experiences with that.
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:22.079
Um, that we can do on another podcast, maybe.
01:14:22.239 --> 01:14:24.159
But part two, stay tuned.
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:25.039
Oh, yeah.
01:14:25.199 --> 01:14:30.960
Um, because you know, it and that's a great tour as well, but they're obviously not the most welcoming to women.
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:32.319
That's a whole nother topic.
01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:35.520
But I play cactus, I play golf channel and tour.
01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:43.039
Occasionally I do like a local like tournament and stuff that was handicap-based, you know, and um I was nothing but golf.
01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:53.199
And so this year I was thinking about kind of getting back into it and stuff, and then like COVID happened, and it and there, so cactus tour is still going on right now, actually.
01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:54.960
There are tournaments happening.
01:14:55.119 --> 01:15:00.479
I just chose to come to Vegas to spend time with my boyfriend because we've been long distance and I wanted to spend time with him.
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:05.199
For those of us that don't know, so Arizona never actually shut down golf courses.
01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:05.840
Yeah, yeah.
01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:15.119
So cactus tour being kind of based in Arizona there, um, was still able to put tournaments on and they were still able to play in these tournaments, obviously, social distancing and and all that.
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:16.960
Don't touch the flagsticks, that stuff.
01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:24.319
But they were able to keep doing some tournaments, and they've actually gotten um quite a few, quite a few LPGA players that have been playing.
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:31.279
Yeah, got some real talent on the outlaw tour, Anna Norquist, whatever she played in one of the outlaw tours and won.
01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:31.680
Yeah.
01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:34.159
So I mean, geez, yeah.
01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:35.279
That's awesome.
01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:44.479
It's it's super cool, it's super cool, and it's it's a great experience, I think, for some of the girls that you know maybe have the talent and just haven't quite put it together yet.
01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:44.960
Yeah.
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:52.560
Um, to you know, get a chance to play with some of those girls that are there and you know are where they want to be and see what that talent is like.
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:54.239
Absolutely, absolutely.
01:15:55.680 --> 01:16:03.199
I played with um James, who you know, he's on the mini tour right now, and Andrew's a solid stick.
01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:24.880
And uh, you know, James, though, is just the first time I played with him, I was like, Holy crap! Yeah, you know, wow, because he the first time we played, we played at Las Vegas National, and he played from the the back tease, and I think he shot a 67, you know, and I was like, Wow, yeah, you know, and it was probably the most boring 67 you've ever seen.
01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:25.600
Oh my goodness.
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:29.199
Yeah, no, no, no, the most boring round of golf was when I played with Dana at Revere.
01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:31.199
Okay, she'd she'd never seen the course, you know.
01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:33.600
We played from 6,600 yards on Concord.
01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:34.159
Yep.
01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:37.119
And she, I'm like, what did you want to play?
01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:44.079
You know, get and because I wasn't, you know, I I know what they normally play on the LBGA, so I go, these are 66, yeah, that's fine, no problem.
01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:49.279
And didn't blink and just she hit every fairway, missed one green because the ball rolled off.
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:51.199
Yep, and shot a 70.
01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:51.520
Yep.
01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:54.000
And I was like, Yeah, right.
01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:56.560
She she's right, she's not longer than me.
01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:58.960
She hits fairways, she hits greens, she makes putts.
01:16:59.119 --> 01:16:59.279
Yeah.
01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:00.479
It's like that's the game.
01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:01.119
That's the game.
01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:06.079
And it was the one the one fairway she or the one green she missed, she got it up and down, huh?
01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:06.960
Oh, absolutely.
01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:07.600
Yeah, absolutely.
01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:08.720
Yeah, yeah.
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:20.079
And it I was just like, wow, it's so it was so cool to see somebody just methodically make the golf course theirs.
01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:20.399
Yeah.
01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:22.880
I this is a fairway, I'm painting the green.
01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:25.760
And you're right, it's boring.
01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:27.840
It's boring golf, but it's good golf.
01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:30.000
I can't wait to do it one day.
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:33.840
So I've uh I when was that?
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:35.840
That was I think February.
01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:41.760
I uh was fortunate enough to go caddy for a buddy of mine um that played the McKinsey Tour qualifier.
01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:43.600
Um his name's Thomas Lim.
01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:44.079
Lim.
01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:44.880
Good dude.
01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:50.159
Um played at played at Oregon um on the national championship team with Aaron Wise and those guys.
01:17:50.239 --> 01:17:50.800
Um played.
01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:51.600
He was on that team?
01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:51.760
Yeah.
01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:52.239
Oh that's a good thing.
01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:54.319
So he was he was on that team, he's national champion.
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:56.640
Um played against Doug Gim in the final.
01:17:57.039 --> 01:18:02.079
Um had Doug two down with two to play, and Doug came back on him.
01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:07.119
Kind of realized he was two down and put the pedal down and and came back on him.
01:18:07.359 --> 01:18:09.840
But so great player.
01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:13.920
Um doesn't hit it outrageously far.
01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:19.520
You know, he's he'll hit every fairway, but he'll hit it 270, 275 all day.
01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:24.640
Hits every green, gets it up and down when he needs to, makes putts here and there.
01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:31.600
So we played we played four rounds in Texas, in uh San Antonio, TPC San Antonio.
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:33.439
So played four rounds.
01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:38.479
I think I counted, I think he missed four fairways all day.
01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:39.920
Or in the entire tournament.
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:41.359
Missed four fairways.
01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:46.560
He missed a handful of greens, and the greens that he missed, he got it up and down.
01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:48.640
And it's it's unreal.
01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:56.640
And one of those days, by the way, was blown about 30 miles an hour and raining and freezing cold and just just a brutal day.
01:18:56.800 --> 01:19:00.239
And that guy is not on a major tour, and yeah, that's what's crazy.
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:01.760
That's it's it's just insane.
01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:03.439
The talent is really unreal.
01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:06.159
He shot he shot five under the first day.
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:14.960
Shot five under in the 270, 275 all day, didn't miss a fairway, didn't miss a green, and you know, made the putts he was supposed to make.
01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:19.840
He'd hit it to six feet and he'd make the six-footer, he'd hit it to 20 feet, walk out with an easy two putt.
01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:21.359
Yeah, like all day.
01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:23.680
So at the end of that round, it was the first round.
01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:28.880
So at the end of that round, um, I was keeping his card, I was writing down scores.
01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:37.199
And so at the end of the day, I looked at it real quick, kind of added it up in my head, and obviously he had to go up and and sign it, verify scores and all that.
01:19:37.439 --> 01:19:39.920
So I kind of added it up real quick.
01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:43.680
And I was like, I'm pretty sure he just went five under.
01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:48.399
And I was like, I'm trying to think in my head, like, what did he do?
01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:51.119
Like he he didn't do anything special.
01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:51.520
Yeah.
01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:56.000
Like he hit fairways, he hit greens, and he rolled the putts that he was supposed to make.
01:19:56.319 --> 01:19:57.199
That's it.
01:19:57.600 --> 01:19:58.479
It's unreal.
01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:05.760
So just to I mean, the Dustin Johnson's the Brooks Capos, the Roarers of the World that that hit it 340 all day.
01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:07.279
That's awesome.
01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:14.399
But there's for every one of those guys, there's a Zach Johnson that hits it 260 down the middle all day and wins two majors.
01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:14.880
Yep.
01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:16.640
Like, yeah, it's crazy.
01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:17.920
It's it's insane.
01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:18.880
It's nuts.
01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:25.039
I mean, that's one of the reasons why James is gonna go do he's gonna because his parents live up near Tacoma.
01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:31.279
And so he's gonna uh try and money qualify like for the first Canadian tour events.
01:20:31.439 --> 01:20:31.760
Okay.
01:20:32.079 --> 01:20:40.399
And he's like the money that I can spend doing that is far less than on very queue school.
01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:49.279
And there's you know, 400 guys aiming for 20 spots, where Canada tour on a money qualifier, my chances are a lot better.
01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:50.399
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:20:50.800 --> 01:20:51.920
So that's that's the next thing.
01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:54.960
So his goal, he said his goal for 2020 is the status.
01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:55.279
Yeah.
01:20:55.439 --> 01:20:55.840
That's my goal.
01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:57.359
I want to get status on something.
01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:05.680
So the the McKinsey tour, so we qualified, we qualified for the the full uh what is it?
01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:06.800
What do they call it?
01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:10.399
Anyway, he gets he gets uh 10 starts guaranteed.
01:21:10.640 --> 01:21:10.960
Nice.
01:21:11.119 --> 01:21:13.920
Um, and then depending on how well he does in those 10 starts, yeah.
01:21:14.079 --> 01:21:18.640
Um, assuming he's making enough money, then he gets to keep going for the rest of the season, right?
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:20.000
Which is like Symmetra.
01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:20.239
Yeah.
01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:21.439
Symmetra's the same way.
01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:21.760
Yeah.
01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:23.680
So he qualified in February.
01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:25.760
Obviously, coronavirus happened and all that.
01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:26.960
Yeah.
01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:29.920
But uh so he's he's anxious to get going.
01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:32.479
But it's gonna it's gonna be cool for him.
01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:33.279
I'm happy for him.
01:21:33.439 --> 01:21:33.840
Right on.
01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:35.119
I'm super happy for him.
01:21:35.359 --> 01:21:37.119
Well, thanks for joining to me tonight.
01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:37.520
Absolutely.
01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:38.079
This is fun.
01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:38.319
Absolutely.
01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:40.239
This is so much perfect night for it.
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:41.199
Oh, it's so good.
01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:45.680
I got a little sweaty there for a second, but once the breeze puts it, I just wish you could see the strip from here.
01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:46.399
Shut up.
01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:49.039
It's so beautiful.
01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:50.479
You can see the strip.
01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:51.920
See, it's right there.
01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:52.560
It's right over there.
01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:53.760
South points on the strip.
01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:54.079
Yep.
01:21:56.239 --> 01:21:58.720
Everybody, thanks so much for uh tuning in this episode.
01:21:58.800 --> 01:21:59.680
This was a fun golf time.
01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:00.000
Absolutely.
01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:01.680
I can't wait to pick your brains some more.
01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:02.399
It's it's awesome.
01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:05.439
So hey, I'm yeah, just phone call away.
01:22:07.279 --> 01:22:10.800
And uh we're gonna talk about your short time here in Vegas.
01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:12.079
Oh man.
01:22:12.239 --> 01:22:18.399
Um, so for those of you that don't know yet, um, I have elected to move back to Phoenix.
01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:20.479
Um, move back to Scotale, actually.
01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:25.520
Um, you know, this whole COVID thing is is is kind of wreaked havoc on you.
01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:25.920
Yeah.
01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:33.680
So, you know, with with everything shutting down, um, you know, I got furloughed there for a little while and um the store's supposed to open back up tomorrow.
01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:42.720
Um however, I think uh, you know, Ava and I have kind of talked about it a little bit, and I think it's it's time for for some changes here.
01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:44.159
Heading back down Phoenix.
01:22:44.319 --> 01:22:45.119
Headed back down to Phoenix.
01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:47.039
Hopefully, another reason to go to Phoenix.
01:22:47.119 --> 01:22:48.000
Uh no, that's right.
01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:53.279
Hopefully, uh hopefully, you know, we kind of land on our feet and and end up back in the golf industry.
01:22:53.359 --> 01:23:04.079
But I think uh I think it might be time to take a little step back from from golf for just a minute and you know, kind of it's it's like everything with the industry and your passion is there, so I think you'll be back into it.
01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:05.119
Yeah, I think I will.
01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:08.640
It's uh you know, it's just like anything you do it for so long, you get a little burnt out on it.
01:23:09.039 --> 01:23:12.479
You you actually have inspired me big time to get into the club building side of it.
01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:13.039
That's awesome.
01:23:13.279 --> 01:23:18.720
I'm just watching you work and your knowledge, and just it's really inspired me to like this is something I want to learn.
01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:19.279
That's awesome.
01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:25.600
And not to like be the person in town to do it, but it's just it's a knowledge base for me.
01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:27.840
It's something that I want to know how to do.
01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:28.319
Yeah.
01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:32.560
And you know, so I've been stacking up my equipment and yeah, you have a great little setup.
01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:34.479
You got a pretty good little setup in Josh, for sure.
01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:35.760
I'm looking at it, it's gonna get better.
01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:36.800
For sure, it's gonna get better.
01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:37.279
For sure.
01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:41.279
And uh I love the fact that you're you know, anytime I could just hit you up and ask you questions.
01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:41.760
Absolutely, man.
01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:47.439
Like absolutely, and you know, if any of my customers are listening right now, nah, beat me, baby.
01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:48.560
Let me know, man.
01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:52.079
Let me know if uh if anybody needs any help with anything, man.
01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:54.159
I'm only a phone call away.
01:23:54.399 --> 01:24:01.199
Um, you know, we've we've talked about some stuff on the phone about how to do some stuff, and you know, it's it's been awesome, man.
01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:02.079
It's been fun, man.
01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:04.720
Golf's golf got me to where I'm at now.
01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:06.800
So it's uh I'll be back.
01:24:07.039 --> 01:24:15.600
Add one last so um, because I can say now, so I actually was a contestant on the show Holy Mole.
01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:16.880
That's right, season two.
01:24:17.279 --> 01:24:17.439
Yes.
01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:18.000
Right.
01:24:18.319 --> 01:24:19.199
Brianne was on it.
01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:21.600
Yes, Brianne, yeah, and I met her.
01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:23.600
She is a sweetheart, she is awesome.
01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:25.199
She is also gonna be on the show.
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:27.840
So um you're on holy moly.
01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:29.119
I'm on holy moly.
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:29.840
I know.
01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:31.920
Famous celebrities.
01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:34.000
I know I wouldn't go that far.
01:24:34.399 --> 01:24:41.840
But um, yeah, I think the show is uh season two will be airing uh May 21st, I believe.
01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:45.920
Um so if you guys want to check me out there, absolutely so awesome.
01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:50.159
We'll be on ABC, and I want to say Hulu, but I'm not 100% on that.
01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:51.359
Yeah, I think Hulu has it.
01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:54.319
Yeah, so check me out there and Brianne.
01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:55.439
Check out Brianne too.
01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:56.159
Absolutely.
01:24:56.399 --> 01:24:59.119
Oh, there's some like massive breath ball ties to hole in ball.
01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:08.399
Yes, hey, you should have and after the show airs, if you want to have me back, I'll explain my experiences, but I'll wait till after it airs.
01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:10.800
Absolutely, absolutely much now.
01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:11.199
Absolutely.
01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:12.880
So, everybody, thanks for tuning in.
01:25:13.119 --> 01:25:16.560
This was uh a long one, but it it was good stuff and I hope you enjoyed it.
01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:17.199
Well worth it.
01:25:17.359 --> 01:25:21.680
Um, the women golf conversation is absolutely outstanding.
01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:24.640
I think and I think it's a conversation we don't get to have very often.
01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:27.439
No, we don't, and I'd love to talk about it more.
01:25:27.760 --> 01:25:29.039
So let us know, you guys.
01:25:29.439 --> 01:25:31.039
To have a lady on the show that's lived it.
01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:32.079
Yeah, it's pretty awesome.
01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:32.960
Out there doing it.
01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:33.520
Absolutely.
01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:37.039
I'd love to talk more if anyone has questions, and yeah, this is awesome.
01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:39.039
What's uh oh what's your Instagram account?
01:25:39.199 --> 01:25:43.039
Yeah, my Instagram is at Ava underscore Lorenko.
01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:44.960
So you can also check me out there.
01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:46.399
Sliding those DMs.
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Thanks for tuning in.
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We'll talk to you later.
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Adios.
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Bye.