Grumpy Jukebox Ep 2 featuring Francis Leach, Robbie Buck and Costa Zouliou.

costa zouliou: G'day Costa Zulio with you, and ⁓ we're on the breakdown.net, and I'm very, very lucky to be able to ⁓ have a chat to two of my old colleagues from Triple J, Francis Leach and Robbie Buck. Welcome, gentlemen. Hello, Coszy. Hello, Cos. Hello, buddy, hello Robbie. Hey Frank. I'm alright, mate, I'm alright. We're doing Grumpy Dukebox. So what we want to hear from you, Mob, is ⁓ what's been new, what ⁓ has surprised you and What the fuck. So tell me, Frank, what has been happening in your world? What is new in the Francis Leach world? Well I well I've been back doing what's new is old again, Cosy, 'cause I've back on ABC Radio for a while from ⁓ last month filling in on overnights, doing the middawns, doing a graveyard shift. Woohoo! Pulling a graveyard shift, pulling an all nighter. No tr no, not really. The days of the all nighter are well and truly done. I you know, have to take a nap at about ⁓ ten PM with my teddy bear and then get up and go again. ⁓ but it's been really lovely to be back on the radio and ⁓ talking to the audience and so sweet from the lots of people who remember us ⁓ from our time at Triple J as well. So it's been it's actually been a lot of fun in between the sort of woozy feeling of being constantly jet lagged. So having great fun, feeling like you wanna die, basically. Tell me about what happens around about half past four in the morning when you're thinking about, you know, okay, I've got a time out, I've got a get up to the top the clock and work it out now I've got to do some maths here, but not in and not you know, not in base ten, but in base six. How how's that go for ya? Yeah, the brain's swimming around like Kieran Perkins in lane eight at that point. but ⁓ I you know what, I have taken great pride in showing off to the younger people who are e ⁓ producing me that I can time out like a bitch to the top of the clock. Like, you know, hitting hitting the top of the clock with the end of a song is, you know, something that was drilled into all of us and it's still there. So I'm like running around the studio pumping my fist and have a look that. Have some of that. Take that. When you say they're younger, Frank, I mean are they what just in their forties? We're talking about that kind of thing. Exactly. Just about twenty years younger. Cobra old. And grumpy too. And the triple dog just turned on What have you got? ⁓ good. Duke the ⁓ black lab has just turned up. And what about you, Robbie? What have you been doing since Triple J? Just fill us in, you know. It's it's only been about twenty five years, hasn't it? Yeah, yeah, sure. Take a seat, folks. We've got all night. ⁓ well no, in a strange turn of events, I've just gone full circle as well in my radio career. ⁓ And it's not going back to the ABC, it's actually going back to pre ABC, which was community radio. And ⁓ the station that I started out at in Sydney on community radio was to SER. SER is ⁓ a a station that's been funded by ⁓ universities, Macquarie University and UTS for nearly fifty years. And late last year Macquarie decided that they were gonna pull out and for a little while there it really looked like it was gonna be the end of one of Australia's, you know. much loved and largest community radio stations. So I I've been kind of doing a bit of work behind the scenes to try and ⁓ bolster its chances along with a lot of other people. But as part of that, I sort of thought, I got offered a little slot, you know, do you want to come back on the radio? And so I have been hosting a show called Aloha Freaky Alumni, which ⁓ has been a bit like this, actually pulling back people voices from two SER's past, many of which Of course we'd know from ⁓ ti their time on ABC. So Kingsmill was the first guest ⁓ for the first show. Sarah I tried Kingsmill, I couldn't get Kingsmill. Well done, Robbie. No, no. We haven't had an audience with the King yet. ⁓ that is a legit. I bended the knee, you know. I don't know what he's ho I don't know what he's saving himself for. What is he saving himself for? It's like, come on, dude, let it hang out. You know. It's okay to be getting around in a dressing gown at three o'clock in the afternoon, Richard. Come join us. ⁓ and Sarah Mack as well. Sarah Mack's ⁓ Yep. She's one of the alumni. Yeah, Sarah Mack was ⁓ the following week's guest and ⁓ we had a lovely conversation. I mean, you know what? It much like what we're doing here, it's just like putting on an old glove though. When you get into a radio studio with folk that you've worked with over so many years, it's such a a lovely comfortable and joyous thing to do. And so it's silly not to do it. You know what I mean? Like y for all of us, we spent lots of time in those studios and we were sort of forged in the the same kind of environments. And it's sort of muscle memory for for a lot of it. So it's silly not to to exploit it. And of course, in amongst all this, it means that it g gets a little bit of extra publicity and higher profile for the station. And I and I think I I actually just had a phone call this afternoon ⁓ from somebody from UTS basically saying to me it is going to survive. So Fantastic. Well you're you're the first people I've I've s actually told. So ⁓ that's really good news. It's it it's been it has been a very long and quite well f big fight to be honest and I think for a for a little while there it did look like it was gonna go down. So unlike ⁓ for for Triple Z in Brisbane, ⁓ it's not subscriber driven then. To SER? It's partly subscriber driven, but it doesn't have the same it doesn't have the same level of subscription support as the big stations like Triple R, ⁓ Triple Z has a a better history for it. I feel personally that it hasn't exploited the potential of those areas enough. And I guess there hasn't quite been the same critical requirement because you've had two institutions. kind of giving the base level of funding. So they've always had subscribers and they've always had ⁓ radiothons and subscriber drives, but they don't have that that real, that same level, or they haven't in the past, ⁓ that those other stations have had. But I think that is going to be the next step is to to make sure that it's gonna be viable. Because you know, community radio is just it I I think it's more important now than it has been in the last 20 or 30 years. I think in the age where young people are getting all their Not all, but a lot of their music is coming through algorithms. A lot of that those algorithms are based offshore. We know, you we all know, that being able to integrate with your local music scene is the most powerful way to support local Australian music. And community radio does that better than just about anything else. And so in that respect, I think it's super important. And then the flip side to that as well is having independent voices where you're not just being sort of manipulated by algorithms. For all sorts of nefarious outcomes, you know, which we all know about at the moment too. And the the fact that it's not trackable. I mean, you know, you can listen to a community radio station and people aren't gonna go, ⁓ we noticed you've been listening to to SER a bit more than you should be. So, you know, all these reasons, then and there's plenty more, but I think it's ⁓ I think it's a really important time for for community radio. Yeah, I and also it's a great ⁓ training ground for for people. I mean, that's where I got my start, ⁓ both PBS and triple R back in the day and ⁓ two S CR as you just mentioned has ⁓ produced an enormous list of alumni how says Triple Z in Brisbane cause all around the country. How many of the you know, ⁓ Triple J, double J, you and ⁓ Andy Neal, Stuart Matchett, Phil Cullen, ⁓ Tony Collins, ⁓ Tony Biggs. Tony Biggs, yeah, all those folks came through Triple Z, ⁓ to Triple J and if or double J and if I'm ⁓ Lucky enough I'm gonna be ⁓ doing a show every kind of month or so ⁓ at Triple Z soon as well. So I'm just waiting waiting to see that to see that come off. Kind of a conversation style thing. ⁓ so just talk to some ⁓ Brizzy people. So yeah, so that's that's kinda where where we're at. Well it looks like we're all stuck on this radio. Are you starting your career as a ⁓ as a community radio shop doc? Yeah. You know what, there's not enough of those, Francis. And I I I I think now is definitely the time. There's a there's a gap in the market. Go for it, Claud. Yeah. I just gotta make friends with him. I've just had this hunger in my stomach to talk to Pete Evans about how Activating his nuts. ⁓ that is that is an early what the fuck question now. What is going on there? It's the cynical drive to monetize hate. from Carl Stefanovic. Well done, pal. You can never get away, Carl, from being on the footpath in Noosa with Michael Clark. Yeah Carl, help me with Michael Clark pulling a hamstring trying to fight defend defend the fact that he'd been caught ⁓ playing away from home. So that that's a your peak of your career as being a YouTube video for everyone to laugh at, mate. Get on your bike. It's that way on on that note. What have been listening to, Frank? ⁓ well, I I've still this is one of the things that ⁓ I still love listening to young smart new musicians and young smart kids who make great music and I've all I've been obsessed with Little Sims. Now she's a North London rapper, so she comes from from the UK and she's made about half a dozen really interesting and ⁓ quite adventurous albums and that sort of British garage afrobeat hip hop style. I really like that sort of British style of dance hip hop and ⁓ the language and the and the accent and the and the ⁓ crossover with both ⁓ drum and bass and and ⁓ the sort of garage sound that's very ⁓ particular in British and black music and hip hop and she's just made a fantastic and what she does is makes these albums and then she'll just drop ⁓ an EP off the back of the album which is completely different and she's done it again with this little EP called Sugar Girl it's just four tracks it's really up tempo and and it's got a lot of punch and she's laying it down to a few people she's she's got a beef with. ⁓ she she had it fell s fell out last year, I think the year before with her longtime musical collaborator over a financial issue and it's all in this little EP called Sugar Girl. ⁓ and it's just brilliant. If you want some really sharp, witty, powerful, punchy, ⁓ stuff that you can roll the window down and you're stuck in traffic and impress everybody that you're still down with the kids, check out Little Sims Sugar Girl the EP because I think she's awesome. I think she's toured Australia. I've missed the last time she was here. Yeah, but a couple of years ago. Yeah, I really wish I had a been I th I I think I might have been in my pre and ⁓ in my other life in Canberra, you know, listening to parliamentarians instead. Wow Why would you make that What would you prefer? ⁓ Being hit nabbed by a cricket bat ⁓ Check it out. Little Sims, just check out anything she's done if you like that sort of sharp girl power, wickedly sh ⁓ funny and and ⁓ just punchy ⁓ contemporary ⁓ black R and B hip hop stuff. It's just you know it makes me sort of walk a little bit taller, Cosy and probably when I'm listening to it. I'm down with Little Sims. Well we like that. Well I'm I'm gonna contribute ⁓ another artist who sort of has a connection to that to some degree musically a little bit different in that not quite as aggressive, a little bit more ⁓ bit more sensual, but somebody who's actually spent a bit of time in the spare room at my house because she spends ⁓ she she lives in in PNG in Papua New Guinea. But she does her recording in in Sydney. And ⁓ and this is Nyri, who has a a fantastic new track called Afar, which I really, really love. But I saw I I've seen her a couple of times. I'm lucky enough to live ⁓ on a street where there's a a a young guy over the road, well he's in his mid-30s, but he's young to me. And ⁓ he's a fantastic drummer, and he drums for Niri. And so I met Nyrie and and became you know friends with her. And I saw her for the first time at WOMAD in Adelaide. And she had this fantastic on the main stage, she had this fantastic stage show and came out in this in incredible garb and just this voice that comes out of her is really sensational. And then got to meet her afterwards, after the show, and she's she's quite demure and sort of you know shorter in stature and stuff. But she's been working with Paul Grobowski, the great jazz pianist and and composer and arranger. And also Paul Mack, who, you know, from Itchy and Scratchy and who is now Dr. Mack, actually. He's a lecturer at the Conservatorium of Music. ⁓ and so she's got these fantastic influences around her with ⁓ a whole different range of styles. And so the the output that she has extends from essentially jazz to kind of quite dense electronic stuff. So, you know, that yeah, I I I sort of feel like there's a there's a dovetail from Little Sims into Nairi. That's who I'm gonna be contributing. ⁓ thanks very much, Robbie. Well, I don't think there's gonna be ⁓ too much crossover where I'm going here on Grumpy Jukebox today. What I've really been listening to a lot lately is a band called Blackwater Holy Light, and they're an all female well, that's probably what is similar about them, is they're all female outfit originally from Portland in Oregon, but now they're living in La La Land. ⁓ they've been around for about ten years, were more of a kind of a stone or metal band to start with, but ⁓ their latest album. that was ⁓ released earlier this year has ⁓ transformed them more into a a dark sort of shoegaze band. They're called Blackwater Holy Light. ⁓ some people have coined them Doom gaze. I'm not sure if that works, but ⁓ That's the look you give me sometimes The Doom gaze. Every Wednesday night. ⁓ so it's got really some at four thirty that's what I'm giving at four thirty AM on the project. That's you in the mirror the morning after. Totally. Really fuzzed out guitars, ethereal vocals, some some gorgeously luscious keyboards, ⁓ w which also sometimes end up ⁓ sounding like the fuzzed out guitars. Not here, ⁓ not gone, ⁓ was re recorded at Sonic Ranch outside of El Paso in ⁓ in Texas. So if you're a fan, they're touring. They're not coming to Brisbane, unfortunately. ⁓ Blackwater Holy Light is the name of the band. They're playing at Crowbar in Sydney on the eighteenth of June, the nineteenth of June at the corner in Melbourne, and they're doing dark mofo, ⁓ in Hobart at ⁓ the Odeon Theatre. ⁓ so that would be Is that where everyone goes naked swimming? Yes. It is. It is. have you been, Robbie? No, I haven't actually I i I I've seen the 'cause it's it's on the ⁓ Yeah. So it's We went a couple of years ago and ⁓ went to dark mofo. No, I didn't swim naked. ⁓ one of the blokes I went with ⁓ went and swam naked, but ⁓ there's no point. I mean especially for the blokes, it's quite an ambitious concept, isn't it? I you're talking about Well what's more ambitious a lot of chill is that four thirty in the morning that you think Frank Frank Leach might be watching. ⁓ What are you suggesting, Rob? Some of us haven't got any margin for error when it comes to sleeping. I'm only talking about myself. Do they know about shrinkage? ⁓ yeah, I think I'm I'm more of a tropical guy. Let's say ⁓ ⁓ beautiful. ⁓ you're on Grumpy Jupex on ⁓ the breakdown dot net. I've very lucky to be ⁓ speaking with Francis Leach and Robbie Buck. ⁓ so ⁓ we're trying to work out what's new, what we've been listening to, the new stuff, ⁓ stuff that's a surprised us, and ⁓ a little bit of WTF. So I'll start off with the what surprised me is Alice Cooper and Susie Quatro. Have you heard about this one? Doing MC fives kick out the jams. So I did see I did see Cosie the Suzy Quatro album come up on my sort of ⁓ my you know music server feed and thought, ⁓ I'll have a listen and I've had a quick listen to the new Suzy Q album. It sounds like a Susie Quattro record. That ain't a bad thing. No sounded good. If you want to just go foot to the floor boogie record, she's still doing it. She's still doing it. I I love Suzy Quatro and I and of course whenever you think of Susie Quattro you think of that ⁓ that leather jumpsuit that she used to get around in But I remember interviewing Suzy Quatro about ten years ago and she must have been talking to Johnny Farnham because she said, This is gonna be my final ever tour, you know this that's it. I'm never coming out again. I went, ⁓ wow, well you know, well that's really exciting. And then about eighteen months later, ⁓ hi, I'm Susie Quatro, coming to Australia again Right on. Well you gotta wonder, you know, people like that they just can't stop playing, can they? What else are they gonna do? You know, so and but and and if there's an audience there. Yeah, definitely. So those Detroit rockers. I wonder if Iggy should have, you know, guessed it on it as well. What a legend. Did you see his most recent performances in the UK where he left the stage in a coffin? No. He gets inside a coffin and gets and gets wheeled off and then a hand comes out of the coffin and he just waves to the crowd. Like Well, that's showbiz to the max. That is, although slightly more family friendly and palatable than the Iggy pop that I saw at the big day out in Sydney at the Sydney showgrounds in 1999. No shrinkage involved there, Robbie. Holy shit, that was intimidating. And of course it was preceded, it was preceded by by with the internal line, okay Sydney, here it comes. And at that point, Iggy's hand reached into Iggy's pants and pulled out Iggy's and there it was. And let me tell you, you didn't have to be at the front of the s at the front of the stage to see it, that's for sure. Yeah, it was ⁓ it was a thing. Yeah, it had its own postcode. Yeah, I saw the last time I saw he was at Festival Hall about like the pre COVID it was just before that and ⁓ he he was just awesome. The chat supported, it was just that great night and in that old stinky beer barn it was just so good. But yeah, Suzy Q back to Susie Susie Q and Alice Cooper. I they they I used to ha when I was a kid I had Alice Cooper po I was 'cause I I was ⁓ was you know, grew up in the land of ⁓ glam. So I had the sweet Susie Quattro, Alice Cooper all up on my walls and to see those two or to hear them, you know, playing together and they both, you know, they can't they still rock. So I I quite enjoyed it. So that surprised me. Anything surprising you chaps out there? Well, I was surprised at how much I enjoyed seeing Split Ends perform live on their first concert in how many years. Just to be in the room with those guys, hearing those songs being played live. They've got ⁓ th there's th so there's th what three of the original members and they've got ⁓ a new drummer and a you know, a younger drummer and a and a younger guitarist, I guess it isn't guitarist? Base player. Base player. Base player, yeah. Tim Finn's voice is not what it was. ⁓ he's he's certainly not got the capacity to be able to hit the notes in the same way that his younger brother can still do with such clarity and warmth and brilliance. But what was really interesting was to be in a many, many thousand seat room with this band playing those songs and, you know, frankly, some dud notes being sung there by Tim. But the the joy of it all, the warmth of it all, transcended all of that. And it's amazing how you realize that there's something about imperfection when it's shared openly is such a really powerful force in in performance. And i you know, just Those yeah, those songs I see Red and ⁓ I Hope I Never and Six Months in a Leaky Boat and and All the B sides and all of it. So yeah, I w when they came out and they all came by the way, they all came out in a ⁓ in in like a a b a big piece of cloth so it looked like they were in a in a horse suit basically and they sort of all marched on stage in this kind of crazy outfit and then started the show. But yeah. Very, very happily surprised. I was going to go and see them. Yeah, I saw that show as well in Melbourne. ⁓ really? Yeah, see I was gonna supposed to go and see them at at ⁓ Blues Fest. And it was my gonna be my first and and last Bluesfest, but it it it actually never happened. And ⁓ the night that they were playing in Brisbane was one of the nights that I was at ⁓ Blues on Broadbeach. ⁓ so it was kind of a yeah, I I I couldn't do it and ⁓ I I'm kinda glad I did. I'm kinda glad I I didn't because at Blues On Bro Broadbeach, this is my WTF moment, I saw a ⁓ a a guy call ⁓ called Mono Neon. And I don't know if you boys have heard of him, but he's a an American bassist, basically an experimental musician from Memphis, Tennessee. He was one of the last people to work with Prince. He was Prince's p bass player just before he died. And ⁓ he's won Grammys and And stuff like that. ⁓ Flea, ⁓ from the Chili Peppers has referred to him as the greatest electric bass player ever. ⁓ so you know, that's that's pretty good. He's he's played with Mavis Staples, George Clinton, whatever. I don't know. To describe it, they would there was ⁓ a keyboard player, ⁓ guitarist, Mono Neon on bass and he plays left handed bass with a right handed bass guitar, or strung right handed, so the low string is at the bottom, and ⁓ an incredibly fit ⁓ African American ⁓ drummer and they just start off with this noodle like a like a keyboard motif or a ⁓ a guitar ⁓ chord or a few notes and then they just build on it and build on it and build on it and then at times they'd yeah, you're kinda wondering are they all playing the same song? I'm not sure, but they were just incredibly good musicians. And Mono Neon are just throw a hand up or whistle or something like that and they'd all come straight back into ⁓ a riff that they all knew where they were going and and just incredible. And you could just see I was looking around in the crowd. It was a a reasonably full crowd. It was like nine o'clock at night, I think, Saturday night. ⁓ and everyone's just kind of it their jaws are on the ground. You know, it was this fantastic and like you said before, that that kind of ⁓ camaraderie in in watching something that you know that Not everybody's, you know, gonna ever see this sort of stuff. And it was it was fantastic to watch. And hats off to the to the programmers at Blues on Broadbeach because this is a a festival that's put together by the business council and stuff like that and the city council of the Gold Coast. It's all free. ⁓ Wow. Yeah. And they've got Ian Moss played he headline the Friday night. They've got on Sunday nights they've got a a paid section where they they close off ⁓ the beach stage, the Karoo Beach stage, but the rest of it's free. And ⁓ some fantastic ⁓ Bob Log the Third was there last year or the the Bob Log the Bob Log the Third. Hang on, now that's taking me back. Yeah. This we talk we're talking about a guy who plays solo guitar with a is it a gas mask he has on? No, it's a helmet. It's a helmet. It's a motorcycle helmet, yeah. Motorcycle helmet, that's right. Yes, and he was incredibly good, you know. ⁓ And Eric Gales was on and Lockie Dolly, who's a ⁓ Adelaide boy made good, ⁓ was ⁓ was playing and now he's playing with Joe Bonomassa. He's his keyboard player now. ⁓ So yeah. They did he'd done two shows at the Royal Albert Hall like a week before and then comes that plays at Blues on Broadbeach for free. and he's got this incredible I don't know if you've seen him before, he plays a Hammond and he's got ⁓ this clavernet, which is it's ⁓ It's like a str it's an old sixties stringed keyboard. He's fitted a a whammy bar to it basically. So when he plays it. So the clavinet, think about the opening chords to superstition. That's the that's the sound. ⁓ but he's got this massive whammy bar that he's put on it. So deeply funky already. Yeah. And then you put a whammy bar on And then you put a whammy bar on it and and he just plays it like and it sounds incredible. It sounds absolutely fantastic. So if you're interested in that, ⁓ Lockie Doley, have a look at it. He's got a few he's got a ton of videos up. on ⁓ YouTube so you can check it out. So ⁓ yeah. WTF Frank, what's ⁓ what's yours? I've got to I've gotta do my ⁓ my ⁓ my surprise which is ⁓ sorry. Then I'll go to my WTF is ⁓ I I like 'cause I've got a ⁓ you know ⁓ C D collection that I dive into and what I like to do is sometimes just reach in and grab something and put it on, otherwise you suffer s choice paralysis. And this work I grabbed out ⁓ this double C D it's pretty much a radio broadcast bootleg, but d it it's just extraordinary. It's David Bowie and Nine Inch Nails. I'll do the Molly thing and put it up to you can see it there. This is from nineteen ninety-five when Bowie w was doing ⁓ you know I think some of that nineties crew yeah, it was just after that. He started to record solo again and started ⁓ to record a whole bunch of ⁓ albums like Earthling and the ⁓ the next day and ⁓ those records I think are really good. White ⁓ Black Tie, White Noise, all of those records. ⁓ I think he was getting back to some of his best stuff at that point and then he took his sort of like twelve year break and delivered two albums before he died. But he was touring with nine inch nails. And in in a classic sort of bowie way that he always ⁓ you know, h hitched his wagon to the next wave before the wave actually broke. as he did with Lou Reed and with Iggy in Berlin and then, you know, he was on you know, he was basically went down to the Blitz Club and you know, harvested Steve Strange and all the all the sort of ⁓ near romantic kids before that became huge And they're all in the ⁓ video for Ashes to Ashes when they're walking along the beach. And when that's a great story about that when they're doing that video, and ⁓ you see there's a guy walking an old guy walking a dog. and he asked the guy to leave the beach and and someone said to him, Don't you know who that is over there? And looking at Bowie and yet some he's some fucking plonker in a clown suit. Yeah, that's who that is. You know, and just kept walking. Love that sort of you know, breaking the fourth. Well, you one where they're walking on the beach and all the people are sort of scraping up behind David Bowie. He looked like ⁓ an a and anyway, like someone who escaped from a a German ⁓ you know, ⁓ cabaret club. But anyway, so he's always picked his moments and he was touring with the Nining Snails, but not only doing individual sets, but they actually play together. Like he uses the Nining Snails as his backing band. So you get this version of Bowie on this of ⁓ the Nine Snails do their songs, Bowie sings some of their songs and then He sings with the nine inch nails, a lot of his newer stuff, but some of the older stuff as well. ⁓ and it's just fantastic. ⁓ you know, it's just like, you know, it's of the time. It's very it's very much that mid nineties s time when nine inch nails was sort of building to being one of the biggest bands in the world. I think just before, you know, March of the Pigs and all that of stuff, ⁓ and the closer and and you know, that but it's just amazing. Like I put it on and Bowie the Shapeshifter does it again. And the the the combination of the two, very, very rare that you you know, would have that these days. But it's really really good. You can check it out. It's still around I think in in form. It's probably online somewhere. It's called Back in Anger, ⁓ nineteen ninety five, Nine Inch Nails with David Bowie. And ⁓ if that's your thing, the the set list is brilliant. ⁓ you know, it's got everything from, you know, Heart's Filthy Lessons from the more recent works, ⁓ The Man Who Sold the World, ⁓ you know, e you know, Closer, Nine Inch Nails to p their their tunes, Scary Monsters, you know, it's just brilliant. ⁓ anyway, it's been a lot of fun. So what's the backing band so what the They sound like do they sound like nine inch nails or they sound like they're doing Bowie tunes or Yeah, they play well they play their own stuff and he sings on some of the Nine Inch Nails songs and then they play his songs. ⁓ but when they play his songs, so they are they faithful to the what they were or are they different kind of renditions, different arrangements? There they're there's similar rend renditions, but the actual sound of it and the pr it sounds very much distinctively the nine inch nails playing. Wow, no. I'll have to check it out. It's great, it's really interesting. And can I pick up on not so I mean I ⁓ David Bowie's my favourite artist and ⁓ and I love nine inch nails, but I wanted to pick up on something that you started that conversation with, and that is that ⁓ you were looking through your CDs and you you just pluck something randomly out of it. And I just wanted to very briefly talk about the return to physical media and the fact that CDs are now being ⁓ bought again in secondhand stores, you know, they're actually got currency and people are releasing on CDs, etc. Vinyl we know is really expensive for a lot of people. buy and if I mean I pity poor folk who were trying to start a vinyl collection these days because it's just so ridiculously expensive. But the attraction to physical media for a lot of young people is a really interesting thing I think because obviously you've got you very cheaply you're you've you've got access to pretty much the entire history of music ⁓ if you want it. But there is something about the joy of plucking a a record or a C D out of a shelf and then looking at the CD cover and then putting it in. But I also really like the idea of this of the selection. I when I'm I only play records at home and when I'm looking for a record, ⁓ what I'll do is I'll switch off the I I don't even know what I'm gonna put on. ⁓ but I won't do it randomly. What I'll do is I'll just flick through the covers and as I'm flicking, suddenly the brain will go, that one. And I won't even I and I I I I have this bet with myself, I've got to put it on no matter what it is. But it's the subconscious going, I actually I want to hear that because I I know what that is faster than you can process it. Especially my brain. So ⁓ so so it's a great little game to play ⁓ at home when you've retired. That's my So that's ⁓ that's Wednesday afternoon taken care of. There we go. ⁓ look still in my dressing gown. ⁓ Where's Richard Kingsville? Come on. Where are you? Show your face, King I king. ⁓ We're gonna we're gonna batter him on this podcast until he turns up. That's still a week. Okay. That sounds like a good thing. Let's do that. Yeah, well what I love about putting on physical media t media too, for for whatever reason, it kinda forces you to sit down in between the speakers and have a listen, doesn't it? Rather than just having it in your ears or in the car or or or whatever, just walking around. I I really enjoy just sitting down and reading the lyrics and looking at the art and and Yeah, it it is a it's a different sensation. It's certainly and it's a more immersive sensation for sure. I've got physical media all over me in the w form of big black labrador at the moment. But anyway. The other thing about it is that you you make a r you make a choice to r to have a relationship with the artist. If you're just tuning in via, you know, a spot of fire apple music or whatever, it's a sort of you can ca it's a casual drive by. You're not really making an investment emotionally or even with a monetary sense with the artist, but when you buy a record It's sort of joining a tribe in a way as well. I think that's what it always was for us as kids growing up, ⁓ with records. I was such it was such a the choice itself was what mattered. I'm going to choose to be a Joy Division fan. Here I bought Unknown Pleasures. Or you know, and he's sort of like I'm picking a team in a way, ⁓ a tribe. ⁓ and that's what we I loved about it and still do. ⁓ but it's so much harder these days because there's so much music to to navigate. I mean, it must be so difficult to find your tribe if that's if that's your passion. Because you know, it's there is so it's segmented in so many ways. Which is its po both its beauty and its challenge is that, you know, you might listen to one something once and go, Ugh, don't know if I like that and never go back to it. Whereas previously if you bought a record and you put it on the first time, and this is I mean we'd all have records that we fell in love with that ⁓ we and on first we go, I don't know what this is, I don't know how to make sense it is. But you've bought the record, so you know what, you're gonna have to go back and listen to it. You've made the investment. So they're your favourite records. I mean every Shin's record I've bought. I've had that experience where I've gone, ⁓ this is not as good as the other ones. And then you listen to it four or five times and go, ⁓ this is absolutely fantastic. But I d I did want to jump in there as well and just link back to that earlier conversation about community and community radio, of course. But this idea that ⁓ the the the great joy of going and supporting some live music in your neighborhood or in your town, ⁓ means that you are like just what you've been saying there, Francis, you are buying in f By physically being there, you're buying in and being part of that tribe. And if if it's something that resonates with you, it's not just the music that you get, but it's also the friendship group and the socialisation and all those sorts of things that come with it. And and particularly if you're at an age where it's an you know, it's an exciting time of your life to do that. So yeah, it's ⁓ god, we're old, but I love it. Yes, thank you. Shall we do WTF, Cosy, to finish up? Well, I've I've had my WTF you go with yours, mate. Now, when was the last time you went to a wedding? ⁓ a fair while ago. December. Would you go would you go to a wedding would you buy pay money to go to someone else's stranger's wedding just 'cause you like weddings? Well, it depends. Just because you like weddings. I would not. It's the grog free. Well yes, Coszy, that's part of it. So I've heard this story this week that there's a w site in the States called Not a Wedding Crasher dot com where people real weddings thoughtfully shared attend or host a wedding experience. So if you're having a wedding and you think, you know what, I think I can make a bit of money back here by having a table of people who pay for the for the experience to come along and just just be at our wedding, title Strangers, ⁓ why don't we do it? And you can do that. You can go to someone's wedding. I thought, why would people want to do that? Well, I think some people might want to do that because some people just love a wedding, right? And some people just love to go to a wedding. They get caught up in the romance of two people, you know, sharing their vows and and their loving their story. Other pe other people ⁓ What you what you are describing is an empire in a state of rapid decline. ⁓ and yes. And that is the Nadea. That is scraping the very bottom of the. Robbie you, you hard nosed cynic. No, I just I can't I can't imagine anything w worse. I mean let's let me go to the website and see if I can convince you, Robbie, that you want to go to ⁓ there are a couple of weddings here. Which one do you want to go to? Let's go to a wedding in Las Vegas. It's the the answer what happens in Vegas ends in marriage. It's happening ⁓ for on September ten, ⁓ ceremony reception, dress cocktail, open bar, open bar for a sixty dollar ticket. We're a fun, faithful Vegas couple you love people who definitely know how to have a good time. Except good expect good vibes, dancing, laughter food and memories, and we bring love, energy and a little magic. But you know what? The thing about it I think is really about this is that if you are of of the mind as a single person and you think, What's a good way to meet new people? I don't know. Why go to a wedding? Why is a wedding good? ⁓ you know, there's like weddings are good because there's a little romance and little eros in the ear, you never know. There might be a groomsman, there might be there might be a And you could be in with a big chance. Dude, they've got to pay me sixty bucks and then I'll think about it. Sixty bucks and free grog. Free grog. You could go to, you know, N and L's wedding in ⁓ Mickinhaw Mickenore City, Michigan. They're two active duty Air Force couples. So you could probably go dressed up in a flyers uniform if that's your thing. Right? Like you could put cosplay the wedding. Only fifty dollars. Mixed bar, no ripped jeans. ⁓ you're not allowed to wear any ripped jeans to this wedding, Robbie. I'm telling you, if you turn up in your ripped jeans No, that's it. That's Robbie. And don't come as Al Qaeda 'cause you're in real trouble then. ⁓ Check it out if you want to go on your next American trip, just to an American wedding for a cultural experience. Not a wedding crasher dot com. I think this is genius. This is this is American innovation at its finest. That's why that's why This is only wonderful people want to bomb it. We've s we've seen a lot of it from America and there's just more. We're gonna start the Australian brand Trophy and you're gonna be you're gonna be like the events. Let's celebrate. Boy, Robbie's gonna be the DJ. Well, that's true. All right, now I'm up. So now you're in? Yeah, yeah. Robbie, have you got a what the fuck moment for us? No, but th I am in the middle of it right now. Speaking to you guys on this podcast is the what the fuck moment, all right? It's it's meta but it's absolutely true. ⁓ gentlemen, what a pleasure. What an absolute pleasure to be ⁓ on Grumpy Jukebox. I reckon we should do it again at some stage. Like, you know, in a couple of weeks' time. Yeah. So who's gonna tell Kingsmill he's up? I look, I'm happy to to demand that he comes on. Honestly. I mean who does he think he is, for goodness sake? Get out of the fucking garage, Kingsmill, and get on the podcast. Send him back. Send him that. I don't care. Put that up put it on social media. Trending. Yeah. Take that. All right boys, thank you very much for joining us here on the Grumpy Juke Box. We'll do it all again sometime. Take care. Robbie Buck, Francis Leach, and I'm Costa Zulio. Take care.