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This podcast is for educational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care. If you are in crisis, call or text 988.NOTE: This episode includes discussion of pregnancy loss, stillbirth, and lactation after loss. Take care of yourself while you listen.This week, we welcome adrienne maree brown, the writer, doula, and healer whose work taught a generation that rest and pleasure are the road, not the reward. She and Adrienne Michelle talk about why they both love the South, what it means that "we are a place," and the slow, land-rooted pace of molasses time. From there they move into loss as a whole, complete life, whether you are called to parent at all, and what marriage could look like if it were not built on ownership. They end on the idea that ideological change takes a hundred years, and we are in the beginning.This is the first part of a two-part conversation.
adrienne maree brown (she/they) is the author of Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change, Changing Worlds (AK Press, 2017), Pleasure Activism: The Politics of Feeling Good (AK Press, 2019) [verify NYT-bestselling], and Loving Corrections (AK Press, 2024). She is co-editor of Octavia's Brood and co-hosts the podcasts How to Survive the End of the World and Octavia's Parables. Her work draws on decades of movement facilitation, somatics, doula work, and a lifelong study of Octavia E. Butler. Rooted in Detroit, she now makes her home in Durham, NC.Go deeper:
Read Emergent Strategy by adrienne maree brown, on change that is small, relational, and patient.
Read Octavia's Brood, the anthology that grew out of Octavia Butler's legacy.
Listen to How to Survive the End of the World, hosted by adrienne with her sister Autumn Brown.
Find adrienne on Instagram @adriennemareebrown · adriennemareebrown.net
ABOUT THE HOST
Adrienne Michelle, LMFT, is a licensed marriage and family therapist, speaker, and the host of The Audacity to Heal. She is signed with Looking Glass Literary for her forthcoming memoir. She is a regularly featured expert in Essence, Cosmopolitan, and Betches, and the first lesbian therapist featured on Therapy for Black Girls. The podcast and the retreats are the on-ramp, and the memoir is where it all lands. Find her on Instagram and TikTok and at adriennemichelletherapy.com.
