Neverthirst: Providing Clean and Living Water

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Lane Kipp: All right.
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Welcome to the all access podcast.
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Uh, thanks for, for being here.
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I've got a never thirst
here with me today.
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Really excited to learn more
about what they're doing and
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share what they're doing.
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Uh, before we jump into that, I did
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And they're awesome.
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We love DMRE, but, uh, Matt Letourneau,
Jason Barry with Neverthirst is here.
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I'm really excited to talk with them.
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Jason's calling all
the way from Australia.
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Where in Australia are you from?
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Jason?
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Jason Berry: Lane, I'm from the state
of Queensland and in the, about an
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hour out of the capital Brisbane.
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Lane Kipp: Got it.
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Got it.
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And Matt, what country
are you from over there
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with your Auburn
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Matt Letourneau: of Alabama,
the great country of Alabama,
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specifically the, uh, educated in
the Auburn region of, of Alabama.
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And, uh, you know, we're trying to, we're
not quite Texas status where we can feel
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like we could sit, you know, secede, you
know, and be our own country where you are
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Elaine, but, uh, you know, one day maybe.
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Lane Kipp: One day.
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One day.
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Still SEC country.
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Who knows?
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Matt Letourneau: Welcome
to the SEC, by the way.
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Lane Kipp: yeah, I appreciate that.
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Maybe the SEC will let
in Australia as well.
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Who knows how large
they're going to make it.
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Anyway, uh, we'd love to hear as much
as we can about Neverthirst, what
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you guys are doing, how you do it.
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Uh, Matt, can you share kind of
a little backstory and kind of a
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big picture overview of what, who
Neverthirst is and what you guys do?
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Matt Letourneau: High level overview
of never thirst was there were
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three businessmen that were all in
church together here in Birmingham.
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Uh, and, uh, they heard a sermon
preached on Psalm 2, uh, where
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the challenge was, have you, uh,
disconnected God's blessings in your
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life with God's purposes for your life?
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And that led them on about an 18 month
journey where they were, They were
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subjected to, uh, and witnessed just
abject poverty all over the globe, uh,
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committed themselves to prayer, asked the
Lord what he would want them to do, and
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if, you know, what their role was in that.
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They ended up in Sudan, which is
now South Sudan, were exposed to the
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water crisis, and that's really where
the vision of Neverthirst was born.
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They came back and said, you know, we
really want to solve a very practical
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problem, which is these people are,
Drinking, uh, dirty, disgusting
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water, which is making them sick.
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It's causing their babies to be sick.
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It's causing a myriad of other
problems like the lack of ability
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to find consistent work, the lack of
ability to get any sort of education.
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Um, obviously the disease, um, on
the long walks to water, you know,
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that's where the, these ladies and
girls were encountering traffickers.
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Uh, and so, you know, just this one The
domino of being able to provide clean
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water, safe water, you know, ended up
knocking down these other dominoes, uh,
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in social issues, and so they wanted
to do it through the church, um, and
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platform the underground church pastors
and believers in these countries
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that were unreached with the gospel.
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So they came back, formed a board,
raised an initial fund, and, uh, went
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to work, and that was about 2008.
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which anyone listening to this
would know is just the perfect
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time to start a nonprofit was in
2008, but the Lord was faithful.
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And, um, you know, 16, almost 17
years later, we're, you know, we're
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still functioning at a very high
level and the Lord has been gracious.
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And we've been able to serve a little
over one and a half million people,
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uh, with an eye to serve an additional.
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Two million people over the
next five years, uh, if the
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Lord is so gracious to us.
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Lane Kipp: Wow.
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Wow.
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One point.
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I guess I didn't realize that.
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1.
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5 million.
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And yeah, share a little bit more
about how it's growing outside of
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South Sudan, where you guys are at,
as much as you're willing to share.
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Matt Letourneau: Yeah, I'll share.
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And then I'll let Jason take the
wheel on some of this other stuff.
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But, uh, you know, the instability of the
government and, um, civil war in Sudan,
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which ended up dividing the country, uh,
became problematic for us to continue
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to work long term, uh, in South Sudan.
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Um, But we did end up
expanding to other countries.
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Our focus is exclusively in what
missiologists would call the 10/40
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window, which is at 10 and 40
degrees latitude on the world map.
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Those would be the countries that
would be considered the most unreached
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when it comes to ability to access
the good news of the gospel of Jesus.
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Uh, and also unreached in terms of
inability to access safe drinking water.
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And so we operate exclusively in that
area of the world, which is generally,
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if you're unfamiliar with that term,
North Africa through Central Africa,
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across the Middle East and across
Southeast Asia, uh, working in three
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distinct African countries there and
also, uh, three distinct Asian countries.
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Um, we've done work in the Middle East.
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Uh, we've done work outside of that window
in the In the past, but just in the last
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few years, we've really locked in on.
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That's where we're called to
to work is in that geography.
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Lane Kipp: Got it.
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Got it.
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Yeah, that's awesome.
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Obviously a shared passion,
uh, and value of ours.
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Now, Jason, uh, why don't you
take us down to the ground level?
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Like if we were there in person with
Neverthirst, what would it look like?
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How you guys do what you do?
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You know, working with local
church and with local partners.
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Yeah, give us as best of a picture as we
can of what that looks like on the ground.
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Jason Berry: Let's take it right down to
a lady who right now is probably, it's,
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it's morning in Australia, but if it was
morning in Chad, she would start her day
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in, uh, the village outside of Diwali, uh,
she'd probably be, you know, loading up,
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uh, either a donkey with a few jerry cans
or herself, and she would start walking.
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And, um, often leaving Children at home.
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Often the eldest child could
be eight, nine years old and
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they're caring for the baby.
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Uh, the husband, maybe if he
has employment is a goat herder.
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He's out working, looking after the
goats and the mother has that burden
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to walk and she will start walking too.
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And I've been with Matt and we have
traveled to Chad and we have seen
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these water sources that dry up.
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Chad, yeah, Chad in the Sahel region
is one of the driest places on earth.
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They only have one wet season, and that
wet season, when it comes, it's good rain.
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For eight, nine months of the year,
it's incredibly barren and dry.
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So that woman will start her day
walking, and that return trip alone
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could be two to three hours in Chad.
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In Ethiopia, it could be six to eight.
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So for us, we start finding those
areas where have, where women are faced
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with extreme burden to collect water.
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We then come alongside, uh,
indigenous local organizations
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who know the people on the ground.
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They are registered with the government
as licensed non profits, uh, sorry,
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non government organizations who,
uh, work alongside, uh, communities,
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uh, they are skilled in engineering.
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And then our role is to come alongside
them and design a strategy together.
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So we will target a region like the Bali
Chad, um, or like Halaba in Ethiopia.
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And we will find a region where the
need is great, where we can be for five
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years minimum, uh, to ideally solve the
water crisis in that area and reduce
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that burden, what, what may be now to
two to three hours down to less than 30
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minute return trip, or in some cases,
we are trying to increase our level of
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service to pipe water to the household.
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So water is actually bought
directly to the home.
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So I guess from a.
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Right down level to that
lady who's walking to how we
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then interface with partners.
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We select them.
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We work with them.
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We design a strategy and program.
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Uh, and then we'll set a goal to
achieve full coverage at least at a
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basic level of water within five years.
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Um, and then I really work closely
with Matt and the team in HQ and,
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uh, they then come alongside, uh, the
Neverthirst community who generously
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say we're on board to fund that and
help you guys see that woman no longer
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walk that two to three hour trip.
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Lane Kipp: Well, I appreciate you
sharing it in the form of a story
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because that's really important.
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I think it's a lot of us miss when we talk
about the water crisis, which I think we
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should talk about a little bit more here.
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I don't think a ton of us really
understand grasp the reality of what
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that means and the toll it takes and
how important safe drinking water
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is and how much of a killer it is as
well, especially in kids under five.
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But yeah, could you Just from your own
perspective, Jason, on the water crisis,
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uh, just your, your vantage point,
kind of what you've come to realize
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about it, you know, having been there
on the ground and seen so much across
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the world and what it's really like.
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Jason Berry: Yeah, my wife and I
were fortunate to live in Cambodia
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for many years and that was when
the water crisis hit home for me.
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Um, even in our own home, we were on
the outskirts of Phnom Penh, uh, in the
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city and we regularly would, the piped
water supply would regularly go off.
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Uh, even in the city, which was meant
to be filtered and treated water,
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you couldn't drink the water in a
major city of two million people.
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When I started traveling out to the
villages and actually realizing that,
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You know, I was living an incredibly
privileged life in Phnom Penh City
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with intimate water flow of semi
clean water compared to women in
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villages all around Cambodia who were
walking to collect from surface water.
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And, you know, that really broke my
heart for, um, The burden that we have
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and the opportunity we have to solve
what really is a solvable crisis.
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And when I look at a global scale
now, you know, a lot of work has been
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done by a lot of great organizations,
but we're still at it today.
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703 million people are collecting
water every day from an unsafe
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source being either surface water or,
um, uh, open well, uncovered well.
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And for us, that's 703 million people.
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They are the people we're trying
to serve in those countries Matt
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mentioned in the The 1040 window.
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So, yeah, those those situations are real.
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Um, again, a lot of great work is being
done and I think we're learning a lot
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about what is actually good work as well.
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But the burden that we strive
for every day is how do we bring
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that 703 number down to nothing?
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Lane Kipp: Yep.
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Which is, uh, why we're partnering with
you guys, because we share that as well.
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And I mean, 703, that's like twice as It's
like double the United States, uh, which
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is pretty, pretty wild to think about.
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We get people ask us all the time why
we don't work in the United States.
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And it's like, well, when's the last
time you drank water from a puddle?
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Uh, you know, or you had to go get water
from a puddle or a river for your baby.
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Um, so that's why.
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Hopefully we never work here.
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Uh, is kind of my typical answer.
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But.
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Matt Letourneau: going the
opposite direction that we
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would have taken a bad turn
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Lane Kipp: Exactly, exactly.
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I want to hear more about the living
water aspect as well, because I know
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that's really important to you guys.
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Um, can you share a little bit more?
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Matt, feel free to pitch in.
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Um, how you guys incorporate
living water into what you do.
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Matt Letourneau: sure.
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Um, so, you know,
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I guess, you know, we, we
believe that the Bible is true.
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We trust, you know, that, um, you know,
the church triumphant is marching forward,
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you know, in the midst of persecution.
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And even if you, you know, look at acts
one and, you know, just seeing, uh,
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and, and, and I say in the scattering
of the church, you know, the persecution
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of the church, it's like God's people.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Even in these unreached places, they're
there, they're being persecuted, they're
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many times underground, um, and so when
a traditional missionary, like a western
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presence, a western missionary, uh,
you know, folks like us, we couldn't go
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over there and have much effect, right?
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I mean, we couldn't even get access to the
country necessarily or have a reason to
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live in a lot of these places long term.
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Um, just because of, you know, what,
what are we actually doing there, right?
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In terms of, of, of work.
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Uh, but, you know, there are people
in these countries, Christians largely
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underground in some, some of the
countries we work in, uh, that have
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a heart for their own countrymen.
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Uh, and if they go to them and say,
Hey, we, we would love to tell you
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about the good news of Jesus Christ
and his gospel, um, they would be.
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greatly persecuted and sometimes
killed for their faith.
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And so what we're simply doing is we
through our partners, you know, who
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are all locals and indigenous people,
like Jason said, giving these men, um,
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a platform to be able to go to their
own people in their own country and
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have a reason to be in these unreached
villages, these very rural villages.
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Um, and, and, and have a platform to
be able to be heard with the message
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of the gospel because they are meeting
their most basic physical need.
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And so Jason and his team have done a
phenomenal job of serving our partners
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and their pastor part, their pastor
connections and saying, what do you need
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in order to be the most effective in your
context in order to share the gospel?
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And uh, they give us a list and
we, um, You know, these people are
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mostly illiterate, uh, people, so
Bible translation and even physical
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Bibles in many cases don't really
help because they can't read them.
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So they need things like audio Bibles
and they need things like the Jesus
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film loaded in their own language.
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And since there's no real electricity
anywhere, um, we, we've partnered
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with another organization called
Renew Outreach Ministries.
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And, uh, they have solar, solar powered
video cameras and speakers and projectors,
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uh, that can, you can set up literally
in the middle of the desert in Africa
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and show the Jesus film, um, in native
tongue with, with a tribe that you're,
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that, that is receiving clean water.
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So.
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Um, I'm sorry, my dog just
started going crazy in
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Lane Kipp: That's all right.
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Matt Letourneau: a little distracted,
but that's the living water piece,
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it's like we're really asking these
underground pastors and Christians,
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what, how can we come alongside of
you besides clean water to help you
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be effective in sharing the message of
Jesus with people in your own country who
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don't know them, or who don't know him.
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And so, uh, and they tell us, and
then we bake that into the cost of
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our programs and go and help them.
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Lane Kipp: Yeah, yeah, that's,
uh, why it makes sense we
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partner with you guys as well.
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I mean, uh, we definitely
align with you there.
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It's really interesting as I, uh, I was
reading a few years ago one of the, um,
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global poverty experts who I believe
is, you know, agnostic or even atheist,
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but, uh, she was writing and, and, um,
She even admitted that there is no long
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term, sustainable, economic development
without addressing spirituality and faith.
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Because even the places where
we're partnering with you guys, I
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mean, Boko Haram can come through
and destroy things in a night.
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And so, Empowering, you know,
people to, or helping people
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follow Jesus, you know, i.
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e.
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not kill other people, not kill your
neighbors, love your neighbors as yourself
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is, um, pretty important, obviously.
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And so, uh, that's why we love.
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Matt Letourneau: podcast, I would guess.
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Lane Kipp: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But well, speaking of that,
let's talk about the context.
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Um.
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Um, maybe Jason, you can share a
little bit more about our specific
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partnership in, um, the Sahel and Chad
and Niger, what that context is like.
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You gave us a little bit of a, uh, a
story form, which is really helpful,
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but, uh, what Chad and Niger is like,
but also the, the program itself, you
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know, the timeline, the goals, what
you're hoping to do, all of that.
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Jason Berry: Yeah, good point.
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I think the Sahel often is a region
people, it's not a common name, it's this
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geographical belt or a thick, chunky belt
that really extends across a certain range
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in Africa of countries, uh, and is one
of the most driest, uh, so it's from a
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physical perspective, uh, it is a range
where a number of countries with Chad
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and Niger are one of them, two of them,
where access to water is a significant
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issue, uh, mainly because of this, the
physical climate, Um, but secondly,
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it's also, um, in the, as Matt said,
the 1040 window where, uh, christian,
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christianity is and the christian
church is in the extreme minority.
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So it's a, it's a, it's the ideal
countries where never thirst is and, um,
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chat in Nigeria to neighboring countries.
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We've been active in both these countries
now since I chatted back in 2016 and
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we started funding work in Nigeria.
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I think with a pilot in 21.
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Um, and I think we've learned
over the years to Wayne Lane.
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When we first started, we were
doing individual projects.
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We would be very much working in,
you know, this intervention, this
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community, and then we'd hear of a hear
of a past or a need another community.
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And when Matt came on board a few
years ago, Matt really shifted the
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direction never thirst to say, actually,
I think it's going to serve us best.
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To have a long term presence in one region
to see a greater change for the community.
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But likewise to from a donor
perspective, donors also want to know,
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um, what change would be possible.
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Uh, so we then have done a lot of
work with All our partners in all the
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countries Matt mentioned, but in the
Sahel, um, we have a combined strategy
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in Niger and Chad to serve over, I think,
about 208, 000 people over the next
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five years would lead to, um, safely
would lead to pretty much full coverage
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in the two regions that we're in.
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So what we do is we start with
the partners, we decide, we
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get them to survey, figure
out a baseline coverage now.
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In some countries we work, um, the
governments are very active and there
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is a lot of good baseline data on what
actually is the coverage of water and then
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you set a goal to achieve full coverage.
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Other countries, uh, the government,
uh, not through a lack of desire, just
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simply a lack of, um, capacity and,
um, staffing ability, don't have the
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ability to survey every single village
to give an accurate, um, Uh, baseline.
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So in this year, the
government's very active.
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Uh, and we were given a good
baseline to work from in Chad.
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The government, uh, lacks that
capacity to survey every village.
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So we sent our partners out to do that.
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So that's what we started from was first
of all, what is the scale of the problem?
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Uh, and also then what
intervention is appropriate?
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Um, you look at Chad and, uh,
traditional hand pump would not be
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effective, uh, because the groundwater
tables too deep number of people
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pulling from a hand pump is too high.
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Uh, so then we had to look
at a bigger intervention.
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So we went down the path of pipe water,
uh, which is drilling down to 7, 100 m.
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You have to put the subtitle in
to transcribe meters and defeat.
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Um, and, um, uh, but basically, um,
we learned that in both countries,
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uh, To provide sustainable water
supply, we needed to have a
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higher level of intervention.
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And also, too, we wanted to make sure
people were reducing that burden.
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That lady I talked about at the
beginning was walking two hours.
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If we drilled a deep well and had
four tap stands running off each,
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off each, uh, central bore, off the
central bore, then those tap stands
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can be spread throughout the entire
village, reducing the burden to collect.
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Lane Kipp: What am I, I
might have lost Jason.
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There he is.
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Jason Berry: back again.
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Uh, I'll pick
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up where I started.
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Matt Letourneau: Australian internet?
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Jason Berry: I think basically what
I was saying was I began the story
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with the lady walking two hours.
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And, um, so when we do the
deep bore well, we're having
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four tap stands running off it.
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Those tap stands could be anywhere from,
uh, one to two kilometers, even a mile
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from the drilling from the bore hole.
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And therefore we can have multiple
water collection points around the
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village, reducing that collection time.
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So we, we have learned that, um,
the style of intervention has
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to be relevant to its context.
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Um, and then, um, we've done a
lot of work with our partners.
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We've co funded drilling rigs to
enable them to increase their scale.
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Um, and, uh, work on a five year
plan to serve everyone in these
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two regions is the end goal
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Lane Kipp: Got it.
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Yeah, I love what you said about
context driven, um, interventions,
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uh, cause it's, it depends.
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And it's interesting from our
vantage point, you know, part of
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our process is start in the most
unreached and impoverished places.
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And when we look at the,
the multidimensional
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poverty index, that's what.
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The UN uses, you know, SDGs, all
of that, and, uh, pretty much any
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way you filter it, Chattanooga's
air right at the top, and, um,
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Jason Berry: or the bottom.
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Lane Kipp: which you mentioned the
water tech, yeah, the bottom, but,
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uh, highest MPI, uh, it's like 0.
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6 in the 0.
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6 range, which, um, for reference,
United States is in like the 0.
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000 range, um, but.
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You know, a lot of in our space,
uh, people tend to confuse effective
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with cheap and if you always go
with what's cheapest, you'll never
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work in some of the hardest places
because it's more expensive.
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And so we always see, well,
cost efficiency is important.
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Um, cheap isn't necessarily
going to cut it.
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So, um, I appreciate.
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That you said that and, um, I
think lastly, what I'd love to
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touch on is, uh, just some of the
lessons learned along the way.
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I mean, there's, like you mentioned,
there's lots of different interventions.
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You know, we, we try to learn a lot
about what, what works, what doesn't
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work in specific areas or the people
actually want for their own lives.
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That's a big one.
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We try to listen as much as
we can, but, um, we'd love
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if you guys would just share.
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Um, some of the lessons
you've learned along the way.
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Matt Letourneau: Jason?
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I'll, I'll defer to you to answer first
and I'll clean up with anything that.
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If you don't say
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Jason Berry: I think on
the program side lane.
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Uh, context is everything, both
in the holistic transformation
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space and also in the wash space.
00:24:45.108 --> 00:24:49.198
Um, you know, when Neverthirst first
started, we, back in 2008, probably in
00:24:49.198 --> 00:24:53.208
the water sector, I think the hand pump
was the, was the dominant intervention.
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And, and that's, and again, that's what
we were mainly doing at the time, because
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Again, in most contexts, that's what was
people's what they were used to using.
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It was acceptable technology.
00:25:04.018 --> 00:25:09.478
But as time goes on, you can see that
as more people move into a community,
00:25:09.478 --> 00:25:14.418
as population migration happens, you
need to adjust your intervention.
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So we have many countries where
hand pumps are still the preferred
00:25:18.768 --> 00:25:19.828
and the most appropriate.
00:25:20.208 --> 00:25:25.118
Uh, technology in Cambodia and India in
the in the unreached locations where we're
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working would be classy examples of that.
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Um, but in, uh, I would say in countries
like Chad, Niger and Ethiopia, uh,
00:25:33.058 --> 00:25:38.188
we've had to learn a lot about, um, how
do we upscale ourselves to ensure we
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have the right, um, intervention and
also we're following the UN guidelines
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to on, you know, safely managed and
basic level of service and limited.
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And okay, what does it mean
to have an intervention?
00:25:50.578 --> 00:25:54.038
to bring everyone up to basic,
where at the maximum people are
00:25:54.038 --> 00:25:55.808
walking no more than 30 minutes.
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How do we get our head around thinking?
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Okay, how do we design a water program?
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How many water points are
required to hit that goal of
00:26:02.608 --> 00:26:03.928
less than 30 minute collection?
00:26:04.338 --> 00:26:06.918
So another good lesson learned
from that space has been
00:26:06.948 --> 00:26:09.368
understanding what is best practice.
00:26:09.508 --> 00:26:12.878
How do we need to then adjust our
interventions to achieve that?
00:26:13.548 --> 00:26:16.348
And then last, I'd probably say
you mentioned before listening.
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I think what we do really well
is we work with our partners.
00:26:21.603 --> 00:26:24.823
We don't pretend to be the experts
and everything, but we have a
00:26:24.823 --> 00:26:27.833
desire to work very closely with
our partners who are on the ground.
00:26:28.253 --> 00:26:29.423
They are attending the U.
00:26:29.423 --> 00:26:29.583
N.
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Cluster meetings.
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They are part of the whole wash
space, and they understand what
00:26:35.453 --> 00:26:38.393
their government also is saying is
what interventions are appropriate.
00:26:38.623 --> 00:26:42.703
We want to posture to be a partner
with them who listens well.
00:26:43.293 --> 00:26:44.263
Uh, we'll challenge them.
00:26:44.263 --> 00:26:45.933
Of course, we feel there
are better solutions.
00:26:45.933 --> 00:26:49.553
But at the same time, we do want
to listen to our partners and then
00:26:49.833 --> 00:26:53.853
together design what will hopefully
be the longest best sustainable
00:26:53.853 --> 00:26:55.263
solutions for the communities are in.
00:26:55.263 --> 00:26:57.773
So, uh, we've learned a lot.
00:26:58.353 --> 00:27:01.013
I feel we're in a I feel we've
got a good foundation to continue
00:27:01.013 --> 00:27:02.783
to spring forward and go forward.
00:27:02.783 --> 00:27:04.473
And I really want to thank all access.
00:27:04.523 --> 00:27:09.633
I think you made a good point before about
understanding is everything and that it.
00:27:09.773 --> 00:27:13.413
Cheap often doesn't get a good long
term result, and you guys have backed us
00:27:13.663 --> 00:27:17.653
with doing some very complex solutions
in Chardonnayshire, and, uh, thank you
00:27:17.663 --> 00:27:21.263
for being with us on that journey, and
it's a great partnership to continue.
00:27:24.128 --> 00:27:24.768
Lane Kipp: Yeah, absolutely.
00:27:24.768 --> 00:27:25.118
Jason.
00:27:25.118 --> 00:27:25.858
I appreciate that.
00:27:30.358 --> 00:27:33.268
Matt Letourneau: I
mean, I'll just briefly.
00:27:34.358 --> 00:27:36.698
Yeah, it's hard to follow
Jason talking about the.
00:27:36.808 --> 00:27:37.538
Lane Kipp: It is man.
00:27:37.548 --> 00:27:38.798
He, yeah, it is.
00:27:39.098 --> 00:27:39.478
I'll give you
00:27:39.508 --> 00:27:40.378
Matt Letourneau: accent, really.
00:27:40.418 --> 00:27:44.378
I mean, he could just be reading the phone
book, you know, but it's just the accent.
00:27:44.608 --> 00:27:45.478
I got you every time.
00:27:45.923 --> 00:27:46.943
Jason Berry: I don't have an accent.
00:27:50.363 --> 00:27:51.523
You guys have the accent.
00:27:51.668 --> 00:27:52.328
Matt Letourneau: Um,
00:27:54.748 --> 00:27:56.928
I know that's why we're so
great to listen to Jason.
00:27:57.488 --> 00:28:01.238
Um, Wayne, I would say that one of
the one of the great things that I
00:28:01.338 --> 00:28:06.678
have learned from Jason is, you know,
I came in without a background in You
00:28:06.678 --> 00:28:09.448
know, I'm not like a water crisis guy.
00:28:09.448 --> 00:28:14.698
I mean, I came in from business and,
you know, I, I deal a lot with, uh,
00:28:14.978 --> 00:28:17.948
our major donors and things like that.
00:28:18.108 --> 00:28:22.328
And a lot of times the question is,
well, if we just give a lot more money,
00:28:22.398 --> 00:28:24.118
we can solve the problem a lot quicker.
00:28:24.118 --> 00:28:24.408
Right.
00:28:24.408 --> 00:28:27.328
And, and I, and I learned from
Jason, it's like, well, yeah, it's
00:28:27.338 --> 00:28:29.018
gonna take a lot more money, but.
00:28:29.658 --> 00:28:34.098
Spending money is one thing, but spending
money well is something totally different.
00:28:34.098 --> 00:28:39.808
And that's, so we've already danced all
around it and, and, and established this.
00:28:40.178 --> 00:28:45.748
But, I think the, the reason why, Lane,
honestly, like no one has vetted us
00:28:45.748 --> 00:28:47.398
the way that you guys have vetted us.
00:28:47.608 --> 00:28:51.858
Um, like you, you were
the most intense vetting.
00:28:53.138 --> 00:28:57.168
Uh, of any outside third party
organization that's ever looked at us.
00:28:57.218 --> 00:29:00.748
And, um, and so you, you know what I'm
talking about when I say this, but in
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terms of spending money well on a solution
that is sustainable with a partner that is
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been thoroughly vetted and can scale the
things that I've learned in this role is
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that like not all partners are created.
00:29:19.443 --> 00:29:23.223
And a lot of these guys in the
countries that they're in, you know,
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there's, they're kind of survivors
and their, and their mentality
00:29:27.583 --> 00:29:32.613
is survival day to day, week to
week, month to month, year to year.
00:29:33.003 --> 00:29:39.108
And for a lot of orgs that started
working through partners, , it was
00:29:39.108 --> 00:29:43.518
hard for, for them to think past one
year of what they needed to scale their
00:29:43.518 --> 00:29:48.378
organization with personnel fi, you
know, the finances, the personnel, the,
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the, uh, you know, the, the machinery,
you know, the, the hardware, everything,
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uh, to get them on some sense, like
believing and operating at a much higher
00:30:04.818 --> 00:30:06.513
level to serve their own countrymen.
00:30:08.158 --> 00:30:11.988
um, so I think what I've learned
is that it's 100 percent possible
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to get people thinking outside of a
day to day, week to week, month to
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month, year to year survival mindset.
00:30:20.998 --> 00:30:26.938
Um, but it just takes time and, and
when, uh, when you get enough of those
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guys able to do it, then certainly you
can have a lot more money and you can
00:30:31.968 --> 00:30:35.208
solve a lot more problems in this space.
00:30:35.888 --> 00:30:38.188
Um, but it's not just like that.
00:30:38.808 --> 00:30:42.398
Uh, it, it just takes time
to spend money really well.
00:30:42.848 --> 00:30:46.548
So the last thing I'll say is Jason
and his team have worked unbelievably
00:30:46.548 --> 00:30:53.258
hard over the last 18 to 24 months
to create a runway for us to be able
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to do 100 million worth of water
programming over the next five years.
00:30:59.204 --> 00:31:03.638
And so to get our partners,
businesses, these NGOs in a place
00:31:03.638 --> 00:31:04.868
to where they could say, okay.
00:31:05.473 --> 00:31:09.663
We've thought through and we know
exactly where we can work, how
00:31:09.663 --> 00:31:12.343
many people are here, the exact
number of water points will take to
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saturate this region and it will cost
exactly this much money to do it.
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We're now at a place where it's
like if someone gave us 100
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million we could place it well
with sustainable water programming.
00:31:26.123 --> 00:31:31.463
Um, and that's really hats off to Jason
and his team and the level of quality
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partners that we're actually working with.
00:31:33.933 --> 00:31:36.903
Uh, that are able to think long
term and scale their businesses.
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Lane Kipp: Yeah, well, I
love that, Matt and Jason.
00:31:42.058 --> 00:31:44.688
And, um, yeah, we love it.
00:31:44.708 --> 00:31:49.068
I mean, that's that a $100 million is a
fraction of what's out there in Christian
00:31:49.068 --> 00:31:50.818
donor advice funds and foundations.
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And so I, let's do it
and, uh, make it happen.
00:31:54.868 --> 00:31:57.138
And, uh, yeah.
00:31:57.208 --> 00:32:00.178
And, uh, man, I mean, our,
from our vantage point, the
00:32:00.178 --> 00:32:01.178
evaluation is pretty easy.
00:32:01.178 --> 00:32:03.838
You guys said, Hey, are you
all working in this area?
00:32:03.838 --> 00:32:04.358
What are you doing?
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And then.
00:32:05.393 --> 00:32:08.263
You all, you all have baseline surveys,
you all have data, this is what it's
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going to cost, this is how we're going
to do it, this is where we're going
00:32:10.963 --> 00:32:15.943
to do it, um, so, uh, it made the
partnership, the evaluation part really
00:32:15.943 --> 00:32:21.333
easy, uh, from our vantage point, so,
uh, on behalf of our evaluation team,
00:32:21.343 --> 00:32:25.993
thanks for making it easy, easier
for us, uh, we appreciate you guys.
00:32:27.113 --> 00:32:28.453
Matt Letourneau: Well,
we appreciate you guys.
00:32:28.453 --> 00:32:33.083
And I think we just appreciate the
level of excellence that you guys
00:32:33.083 --> 00:32:37.003
are committed to for the donors that
trust you to help them make decisions.
00:32:37.003 --> 00:32:40.713
You know, I mean, a majority
of donors are mostly making
00:32:41.013 --> 00:32:42.923
emotional decisions, you know.
00:32:43.163 --> 00:32:48.058
Um, but you guys seem to attract a
different type of donor that are Coming
00:32:48.058 --> 00:32:50.378
to you and asking how can we place money?
00:32:50.378 --> 00:32:57.298
Well, and so, um, it's needed in the
space and we've been impressed with
00:32:57.298 --> 00:32:58.858
what all access has been able to do.
00:32:58.858 --> 00:33:03.458
And like Jason said, we've
been a tremendous beneficiary
00:33:03.458 --> 00:33:04.598
and we love our partnership.
00:33:04.598 --> 00:33:06.068
So thank you, sir.
00:33:06.713 --> 00:33:07.593
Lane Kipp: I appreciate it.
00:33:08.123 --> 00:33:10.273
Uh, Matt, thanks for sharing that.
00:33:10.273 --> 00:33:14.023
And if anybody wants to connect with
never thirst, we can help them do that.
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That's what we're here to do.
00:33:15.333 --> 00:33:18.883
But Matt, Jason, thanks
for your time today.
00:33:18.883 --> 00:33:20.353
Really appreciate what you guys are doing.
00:33:20.393 --> 00:33:24.093
Keep up the amazing work
and we'll keep in touch.
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All right.
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Thanks, guys.
00:33:28.358 --> 00:33:28.578
Jason Berry: Thank
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Matt Letourneau: See ya.