AEW Wrestledream Preidctions- Ep 184

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Are you ready? Hello. Hello, hello, hello. How's everybody doing?
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This is episode 184. I am joined by Shiv, a.k.a.
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The Curry Thunder. And then we got Doug Canavan Jr.
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from Back Sports Page joining us tonight on this special
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edition of the Aftermath Pro Wrestling Podcast, episode 184. We
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are predicting, folks. We are predicting this Saturday night's AEW
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Wrestle Dream. But before we get started, Shiv, Doug, how
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are you guys doing?
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Good, man. How about you?
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Pretty good. I'm surviving. I'm coming off of a head
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cold from this past weekend. But let's talk about the
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weekend before. The weekend before I went to New Jersey,
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and then I went to Connecticut back-to-back nights to check
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out the Skillet concert and the Foo Fighters, which was
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an amazing weekend. And the week before that was the
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Washington Commanders versus Seattle Seahawks.
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And they won.
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And that was a darn good win. Beat the defending champions.
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Can't even kick a field goal with 13 seconds left
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in this most recent game. But yeah, so the past
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couple weekends have been pretty interesting. But how about you guys?
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It's been a lot, especially with everything going on in
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the wrestling world.
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It's been a lot emotionally.
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I'm just ready for Saturday for a wonderful wrestling show
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and take our mind off of a lot of the
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awful shit, for lack of a better term, that has happened.
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Yeah, there's been a lot going on. It was especially
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last week, you know, two weeks ago with, you know,
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we were talking about it slightly just a little bit
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before going on air, but with Pac and then who
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was the other sign guy passed away that same weekend too.
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SoCal crazy also died. And I'm, I'm forgetting.
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Psycho Mike.
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I think is his name.
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Oh my god, Psycho Mike died?
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I believe so. I believe it was Psycho Mike. Someone
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in MLP, I forget. It's escaping me now, but it
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was about a week and a half ago. It was
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right after SoCal Crazy died.
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Oh, man.
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I had just emailed... I had just emailed Shotzi about...
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Let's see. An hour ago. To send an invite for
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her to come on to the show.
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And.
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Literally two minutes later, I'm checking Twitter. She posted an
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hour ago that she lost her brother. I'm like, oh, one,
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bad timing on my part, and two, I felt bad
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for her. I did not see that coming or even
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hear about it until I read it on Twitter. She
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lost her brother, so she's canceling appearances on CMLL next week. So, yeah,
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that going on. And then a little bit Mine is
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sort of pretty much un-wrestling related. We had the loss
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of Mr. Belding from Saved by the Bell, Dennis Haskins.
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That was tough.
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So, yeah, there were a lot of, you know.
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And Mike Ditka died, too, man.
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And Mike Ditka died. He was, like, the villain coach of, like,
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the New York Giants, and, like, he was such a
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good coach, but, like, people hated playing against him because
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he was just that good.
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Yeah, but that's... He's.
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So good, but all I'll remember because of my age bracket,
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I just remember him with Ricky Williams in the wedding
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dress on the front of Sports Illustrated trading away every single.
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Pick in his brand. Every single one.
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It could have worked, too. The league screwed my guy,
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Ricky Williams.
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It should have worked.
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Unbelievable.
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Wow.
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Well, yeah, Saturday, some good wrestling to hopefully get our
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minds back on track. I thought AEW did a decent
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job of trying to pivot. They paid respects to Pac
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and then, you know, they built it up because I'm stoked.
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They built it up as quick as they possibly could.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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One thing I want to hit up first before because,
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I mean, you know, we saw qualifying matches last night
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on Dynamite. But, again, this is the second or third
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straight go home show that I'm kind of sort of
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complaining about a little bit because we had just straight
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wrestling no storylines or anything and I know they were
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in jam a little bit you know because they basically
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lost one whole week of storytelling anyhow so they had
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to get on in these qualifying matches and all that
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stuff and that I get it was otherwise a pretty
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uneventful Dynamite but the wrestling was fantastic though no complaints
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there but the one thing I do want to hit
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up on is Edge, and I guess I'm forever always
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going to say Edge, but Raider R-Superstar Adam Copeland with
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his promo, and I think this is probably, to me,
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this is probably one of the most noteworthy things from
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last night, announcing that Christian had injured himself. We didn't
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really know about this. At the time, I don't think
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AEW even knew about it, because he just kept pushing
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along through the match, but According to Adam Copeland last
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night in his in-ring promo, Christian broke a rib, one
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of them in a couple places, three ribs, something to
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that effect. So it sounds like he's going to be
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out for a while. If I have to guess, probably
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Christian's going to be out for at least a few
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months easily. But with that, Edge also announced... There, I
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said it again. Adam Copeland also announced that... 2027 is
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going to be his last year in professional wrestling. So
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starting January of the new year, let the Adam Copeland
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goodbye tour commence or start rather.
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Yeah, it's going to be pretty fascinating to see how
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they build it up. I'm curious to see, who his
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opponents are, what feuds and storylines they kind of do
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to kind of give him a send off. You know,
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Christian breaking his ribs and it was a hell of
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a match. I mean, yeah, I mean, they showed the
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highlights where he was up there basically getting kicked off
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the ladder by the Bucks and like to have doing
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that at his age. I mean, and still going through like, wow,
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that's tough, right? Like that is tough. And so, yeah,
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I mean, Honestly, I saw, I think it was Chris
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Van Vliet had posted a nice tribute to Adam Copeland
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slash Edge about his career thus far. And it was
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kind of crazy to think about it. When he returned,
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was it the Rumble? Was that in 2020? Like 2027
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will be seven years. It's crazy to think that long
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has passed, right? But he also lost nine years of
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his career. So That kind of sucked. But at the
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same time, too, I mean, yeah, let that man go
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with his kids and his wife and be happy. You know,
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I think he'll still obviously he's given so much to wrestling.
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I don't think he'll stay away for long. But, you know,
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I yeah, I get it. I mean, honestly, good on him, man,
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because then hopefully he'll use it just like Cena did
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and everybody else does to help maybe elevate somebody else. Like,
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you know, Cena could put Dom over, you know, whatever
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the case may be, you know. that would be kind
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of dope to see, but it is, you know, still
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sad because a little bit of childhood's dying, but yeah.
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Yeah.
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How about you, Doug?
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Yeah.
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Uh, I come away from the promo thinking three things.
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One Christian, Jesus Christ, like you said, absolutely bad-ass. Uh,
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I will never advocate for wrestlers to keep wrestling through
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stuff like that. I think you should end the match,
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tell somebody. But the absolute, yeah. Throw the X up, please,
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next time. I'd rather you not wrestle 15 to 20
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minutes with a collapsed lung, possibly.
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That's right.
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I forgot about that collapsed lung. Jeez.
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Yeah. but just one of the toughest, one of the
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most underrated and toughest people in all of wrestling. And
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I think we give Christian, we need to give Christian props.
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We don't do it enough as much as we all
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love the patriarchy.
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And we still don't give enough credit to Christian. Number two,
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I think if Edge is retiring, I think that makes
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it easy. Toronto for all in. And I don't know
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exactly where you would play.
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You can play.
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I got my eyes on that event. i got my
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eyes on a potential late 2027 toronto show of some
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sort that says you know that will probably be edges
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um last show i would think yeah.
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Makes it easy and uh third uh i can't wait
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for the the ending video uh i still remember stings
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his final vignette before his final match. One of the
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most beautiful videos that I think wrestling has ever produced.
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And they're going to try to top themselves with edges.
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And I can't wait a year out excited about a vignette,
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which is funny. Uh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Not for nothing, but I would like to see. And
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what do you mean that like a vignette of like
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Edge's past matches and stuff?
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Yeah.
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Do you remember when Sting retired and they had that
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nice little pre-match like him in the theater watching back
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his career? It was a very emotional like pre-warm up
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to the match to his final match. I think we're
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going to get something similar with Edge. Something like Will
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Ospreay it all in, just seven minutes of just emotional, like,
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I'm so.
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Proud of him.
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I would love to see, like, Edge get, like, you know,
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a package, maybe like a goodbye package, highlighting his career. Like,
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I'm talking about his career all throughout, like, WWE and AEW. Like,
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put your differences aside. I need the X-Men Hardcastle footage.
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put your differences aside. WWE was a big part of
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his career, and AEW allowed him to carry it. But
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a lot of the best highlights from Edge's career is
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definitely his WWE days, without a doubt. Just your WrestleMania 17.
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But that would be a good show to do, to
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discuss Edge, Adam Copeland, his career highlights. That would be
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a very fun show to do, actually.
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We could also, later on, like, you know, not now,
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but we could also, like, fantasy book what that'll look
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like and then potential opponents for him, too. Like, I mean,
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that would be kind of dope to kind of see.
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I mean, I doubt, like we said, John Cena's not
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showing up there, but that would be super ill, you know,
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Randy Orton, you know, I mean, like, who would, Del Rio?
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Just kidding. Hmm.
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Unbelievable. Those of you guys that are watching, this is
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episode 184 of the Aftermath Pro Wrestling Podcast. I am
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joined by Shiv and a dog from Back Sports, Paige.
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It's time. Let's start predicting. Why don't we? So we
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have WrestleDream. What time is it at? I think it's
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like 7 o'clock on Saturday or something.
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My time, brother. Damn it.
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Unbelievable. The West Coast people get the best times.
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And the best coach, brother.
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I know.
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Oh, man. It's only five hours away by plane. But
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all right. So here we go. Let's start hot. Let's
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start hot. Let me hopefully I chose the right image here.
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That is hot.
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We have our we have our women's AEW World Championship
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being defended. Challenger Tecla challenging Mercedes Monet for Mercedes AEW
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Women's World Heavyweight Championship. And this has been a little
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bit of an interesting feud. Is it just me, or is, like,
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is this, like, this is coming off as a heel
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versus heel, but is Tecla teetering? Is she going to
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be the face going into this match? I'm thinking that
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maybe going forward.
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I think for this match's purpose, yeah, Fekla is kind
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of playing the face role here. She's definitely giving very
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anti-hero vibes off, talking about all these dumb bitches that
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populate AEW. And Mercedes just taking out my girl Willow
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Nightingale in a very heelish manner.
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At All In.
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I still think she's kind of a heel as much
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as we appreciate Mercedes Monet and her reign right now.
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People are really into Thekla. She's just been great. She's
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just so entertaining and it's hard not to root for her. Yeah,
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I think she's kind of playing the face. I don't
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know how you feel about that, Shiv.
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You know, I think it's, like you said, she's kind
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of got like this, not necessarily an outsider, but like
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sort of like a renegade, total badass vibe to her.
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And I think it started for me, like obviously she's
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been putting on really good matches and, And then you
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take her size and what she can do in the
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ring and her intensity. But when she was on commentary,
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I think the first time, talking about strippers and something
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to that effect, I was like, oh, this chick sounds
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dope to party with, if I'm being honest. And then
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she kind of leaned heavily into that with the red
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solo cup and the dumb bitches. And it's nowhere near
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the level of how cool Becky Lynch was when The
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Man first started. But it's giving sort of like, I
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don't really need to be a face or a heel.
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I'm just going to come in, do my thing, and
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I don't care sort of thing. But she's funny and
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she resonates. And so, you know, we'll see. I really
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want Tecla to win. I don't think she's going to, obviously,
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because this is very new for Mercedes. But yeah, I mean,
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I'm really digging Tecla right now, too.
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I want to say Tecla. and that's who I want
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to win this match, is I feel like I want
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to see what kind of good six to eight month
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run we can get out of her. And I know
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she's going to have good matches. I know she's going
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to defend her title. We've seen Mercedes. She's been with
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the company for two years, just about, if not, maybe
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two and a half years, and has been a champion
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the entire time. I think we need a little bit
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of I think I need a little bit of a
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break from it. And I want to see what Tecla
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can do. Love her character. She's definitely got charisma. She
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can throw down one heck of a curb stomp. But
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am I confident that AEW will pull the trigger this
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time around? Since Mercedes just won this belt back about
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not even two months ago.
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Yeah.
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Um, I have a feeling Mercedes wins, but I would
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love to see Tecla take it home.
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Yeah. I don't see a world where Tecla wins. Unfortunately,
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I think we're just too early in the rate of Mercedes. Uh,
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I think she's going to carry it for a while.
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Uh, maybe not a year.
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Like, I don't think she's going to lay a still
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next all in, but we're going to get to at
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least revolution probably before, uh, we get someone that's really
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ready to take the belt from her. So the match
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is going to rule. That was going to be super
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over and people will be chanting for, but at the end,
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a bank statement or moneymaker and we're, we're done.
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We have the AEW, uh, world tag team championship. The
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young bucks are, um, going to be defending their titles
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against the Don Callis family, uh, represented by Kevin Knight
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and Kyle Fletcher. Kyle Fletcher and Kevin Knight to the right,
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and Young Bucks to the left with those belts. So,
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I do not think that Kevin Knight and Kyle Fletcher
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were meant to be in this match for this pay-per-view.
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I wholeheartedly believe that Steve Borden and Darby Allin were
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planned to win this match and to have one heck
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of a banger against Young Bucks. But that did not happen,
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of course, as we noticed that Steve Borden had knocked
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himself out in the middle of the ring during All
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Out just three weeks ago. And probably won't be back
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until like the new year if I had to guess.
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But so that's our match. And you know what? It's
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going to be a good one. In fact, it actually
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might be a better match with Kevin Knight and Fletcher
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as opposed to the combo of Darby Allin and Steve Borden.
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And I have the Young Bucks winning. Yeah, Bucks win.
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I don't think that.
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You're 100% right, I think. I don't think, obviously, Kevin
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Knight and Fletcher are meant to be here, because obviously
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watching that match, they were just as surprised, obviously. But
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they'll take the win. They'll take the title opportunity on
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a pay-per-view card. Kyle Fletcher and Kevin Knight are two
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of the best athletes that AEW has on their roster.
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The Bucks will put on a bang of a match.
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Bucks retain. But yeah, shout out to Steve Borden, man.
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It is sad. I hope that he does recover, and
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I hope he stays with it, because I do think
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that there's... I think he's talented. I think that he's
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got people rooting for him, so... If he decides to
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keep going with it, I think that'll be dope. But
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this might, like you said, be the better actual wrestling match.
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Yeah, we got a little.
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Lucky is not the right way to put it, obviously,
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because of Steve Borden's injury. But we kind of had
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a blessing in disguise. Just to reiterate you, shoutouts to.
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Borden. Love Steve.
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He came in hot and surprisingly good. And hot in
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two senses, if you ask the female fan base of
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AEW who were smoothing.
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Tall drink of water.
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Tall drink of water, man. Yeah, no.
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Speedy recovery to Steve. I can't wait until he comes back.
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I am very excited for this match. I think they
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could pull a pretty classic tactic in the Booker's playbook
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where this match was never really planned. And to swerve
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the fans, we kind of put the belts on the
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guys who weren't supposed to be here. I think there's
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a very low chance of that happening. I think if
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any kind of swerve was going to happen, it's going
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to happen here. Kevin Knight and Kyle Fletcher are incredible. They're,
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Oddball dynamic of each one trying to be the alpha
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in the tag team and the other one not really
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respecting each other.
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I think it's great. Their promo on Wednesday was.
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Wonderful with Kevin Knight continuing to call Kyle Fletcher the
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two and him having no idea what that means.
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I thought it was fucking great.
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Batman and Robin called him Shaq, called him Cody. I mean,
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that's not so bad in the grand scheme, but that
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was funny.
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That one is very funny. I really hope they win.
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I don't see it happening. The all-star five-way tag team
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is kind of thrown asunder with Christian's injury. New day
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over the new level off in the Trios division. FTR
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and Motor City doing their best of five. Why not
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give Kevin Knight and Kyle Fletcher a run when everyone's
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kind of doing something else?
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They did it with Ricky and Big Bill. They did
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it with the, well, Omega and Hangman were tag champs. Heck,
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even Brodito. That wasn't necessarily, and then those guys turned
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out to be like super duper boys. So, hey, who knows, right?
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Moving on, we have the AEW World Trios Champion. Perfect
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little segment when you brought up new level. No, no,
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I'm sorry, sorry. Why did I say that? No, no,
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I was right. Yeah, AEW World Trios Champions. It's going
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to be two out of three falls, which I guess
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will be pretty interesting. We have Swerve Strickland and New
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Level defending against Hangman Adam Page and Brody King and Bandito.
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they're challenging new level and swerve. Um, I would expect
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this match to kind of be like a little bit
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all over the place, but in a good way, kind
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of like a, you know, uh, like a tornado tag
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team match kind of style two out of three. So,
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you know, we're usually going to get a half hour
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banger out of these guys. Um, what do you, what
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do you, what do you think? I mean, um, do you, well,
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first of all, do you think that this match should
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be On the card, rather than Motor City Machine Guns
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versus FTR, I'm just a little surprised that Motor City
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Machine Guns and FTR is not going to be on
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the main card. Because they're going to have the best
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of five, and you know they're going to have a banger.
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And that's going to be a future number one contender.
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So that caught me by surprise. But what do you
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guys think of the Trios match?
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Too much star power. I think that's probably why they're
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on the main card. Not saying that the Motor City
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Machine Guns and FTR don't have that, but they also
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most likely have four other banger matches in the series
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that they could then build out later on too. So
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I don't think... If they were wrestling all five, then yeah,
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that would be the whole damn show. But I think
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that that would be maybe the only reason as to why.
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But I think it'll be good. Honestly, it's a coin
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flip for me because... I could see either, because what
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is Hangman really going to do? He's got nothing going on.
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He's just kind of, he's quite literally just hanging on, man.
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And that's kind of like his thing right now.
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I feel like he's biding his time right now.
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Yeah, like just enter the Continental Classic or something, brother.
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Do something with your life. Like get off the couch.
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And I think he will. I think he'll enter that
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Continental Classic probably December or so.
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Right.
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And, you know, so I don't know. I think. do
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they take it off new level and swerve?
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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if
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they hot potato this one.
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I don't know, but, uh, I will say it'll be
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like you said, 30 minutes of a really good match, right?
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Easily. Yeah. So with, with, we don't know how to
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have 15 minute matches.
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That's pretty sure brother. Yeah.
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Um, I am very, very excited about this match. Brodito
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is probably my favorite oddball pairing of all time. Two
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of my favorite singles guys just smashed together and it
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ended up working just fantastically. I think Hangman is probably
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going to cost his team here. I think that's where
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we've been leading to. Him just being too focused on
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Swerve and not able to take.
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the.
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Wider needs of the team into account. And that's probably
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going to play into the finish. Um, speaking of the C2,
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Kofi better be in the C2 and I need Kofi
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versus everybody in the continental classic.
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It would be great. Yeah.
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Um, another thing I always kind of thought that for
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the trios belts, they should have more CMLL rules matches. Uh,
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they have a very specific two out of three falls
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style and, like stipulation of two out of three falls.
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They have captains and the way tags work.
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I think it would be interesting, especially with someone like
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Brodito holding the belt recently. If we have more CMLL stars,
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having them, you know, nice synergy with another promotion that
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you work with and kind of traditional trios tag stuff.
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I always thought that would be interesting. But yeah, swerve
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and new level. I just don't really see them taking
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it off of them right now. They're so good.
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I don't know. I just got it. Who do you
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see taking it off of them, though?
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If Jay White wasn't hurt, it would be the Bang
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Bang Gang. But unfortunately, my man is on the shelf again.
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There's a couple different teams.
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Maybe Don Cal's family?
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Yeah. Cage, Doyle, and Davis? Those three meatheads?
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Oh, my God. That would be beautiful.
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Speaking of Brian Cage, I always feel like he's going
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to be a lackey for his whole entire career. But
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he had himself, and I texted you, Shiv, last night
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about this. He is very, very impressive for his size
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with that Hurricane Rana that he did last night on Dynamite.
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That was definitely something else. And outside the ring, Brian
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Cage is actually a really, really good stand-up guy, but
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I'm just waiting for him to break the ceiling. He
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needs a little more character or a reason for us
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to get behind him more.
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Who better than Cage, man?
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He's such an interesting guy.
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I've heard a lot of people say that Okada is
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like a comedy jobber wrestler in the body of a
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wrestling god. And I always thought Brian Cage was like
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a tiny luchador in the body of the biggest, meatiest
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man that you've ever seen in your life. And he
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just fits in Mexico so well.
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Also, shout out.
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Aaron Rodgers, the high school classmate of Brian Cage. I
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just found that out when he was talking about it.
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Yeah, and Rodgers was a wrestling fan. It would be like,
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you know, you catch a raw last night? That's dope.
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That's dope.
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Thought that was great.
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Let's see what we got here. This is one title
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that I think might change here is the Continental... championship,
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Jon Moxley defended against Mark Davis. Let me tell you,
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there's something about Mark Davis where he doesn't have bad matches.
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I want to see a little bit more of a
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character or a gimmick or a story behind him, but
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he his wrestling style reminds me of Brodie Lee in
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a way. like his style of matches.
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Yeah, similar build too.
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Mark Davis doesn't have, he never has bad, he doesn't
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00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:09.329
have bad matches at all. Like he can work with
482
00:29:09.410 --> 00:29:11.640
the smaller guy, he can work with the big guy.
483
00:29:13.250 --> 00:29:17.130
Like he just kind of somehow like fits in with
484
00:29:17.589 --> 00:29:20.329
like every opponent I see with on TV. Like I
485
00:29:20.369 --> 00:29:22.690
never see one bad match out of this guy. I
486
00:29:22.730 --> 00:29:25.759
feel like Mark Davis is due. I feel like he's due,
487
00:29:26.740 --> 00:29:31.619
if not here, but really, really soon. I think Mark Davis,
488
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:33.089
I think you got to put the belt on him.
489
00:29:33.509 --> 00:29:36.609
And then I just need to see a little bit
490
00:29:36.630 --> 00:29:40.319
more of a story behind him personally. who do you
491
00:29:40.339 --> 00:29:44.640
guys think? Doug, who you got more than likely mostly wins,
492
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.019
but I want, I want Mark Davis. So when I
493
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.279
think it's a good chance of any titles changing, I
494
00:29:49.299 --> 00:29:49.859
think it's this one.
495
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:51.829
Yeah.
496
00:29:52.369 --> 00:29:55.410
Uh, Just to your point to Mark Davis, I am
497
00:29:55.869 --> 00:29:59.140
so happy the past six months of how much shine
498
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.640
he's been able to get. All-C Open was incredible. Him
499
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.319
and Kyle Fletcher as a tag team when they were
500
00:30:04.339 --> 00:30:08.140
first coming up through New Japan, absolutely incredible. I love
501
00:30:08.180 --> 00:30:11.619
Kyle Fletcher, and I'm very happy with his ascent to AEW,
502
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.150
but I always felt bad for Mark Davis kind of
503
00:30:14.170 --> 00:30:18.029
getting left behind through the injuries and just not ascending
504
00:30:18.230 --> 00:30:21.029
as high or as quickly as Kyle Fletcher when he
505
00:30:21.109 --> 00:30:23.740
is just as good as we've been able to see
506
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:24.839
through his matches.
507
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:28.519
He's just as good. And I kind of agree.
508
00:30:28.660 --> 00:30:32.220
I think... You should pull the trigger here on Mark
509
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:35.359
Davis and beat Jon Moxley. I think it kind of
510
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.380
plays into some of the things they've been doing with
511
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:45.009
the Death Riders. Previously, before he lost the belt, they
512
00:30:45.049 --> 00:30:47.769
were kind of playing into, or right after he lost
513
00:30:47.789 --> 00:30:51.150
the belt to Hangman, playing into maybe Jon Moxley shouldn't be.
514
00:30:51.069 --> 00:30:51.730
The leader here.
515
00:30:51.750 --> 00:30:55.069
He's not really the one to drive us forward. And
516
00:30:55.109 --> 00:30:59.769
then recently, his headspace changed. In real life and in
517
00:30:59.809 --> 00:31:02.329
kayfabe with all the things that have been happening have
518
00:31:02.369 --> 00:31:07.069
kind of made him. He lost to Mark Davis last Wednesday.
519
00:31:08.029 --> 00:31:11.509
Clean, one, two, three. Last night. Yeah, I said last Wednesday.
520
00:31:11.529 --> 00:31:12.190
That's last night.
521
00:31:12.490 --> 00:31:15.259
No, he did last Wednesday, too. I think it was
522
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:16.619
last Wednesday, too. That's why, yeah.
523
00:31:17.740 --> 00:31:18.700
Oh, my goodness. Yeah.
524
00:31:19.099 --> 00:31:22.640
Mark Davis should, I don't know if should, but I
525
00:31:22.819 --> 00:31:24.660
would love for him to win. I would love for
526
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:28.369
them to play up. Not necessarily like shoot stuff, but
527
00:31:28.410 --> 00:31:30.950
kind of tie in some of the real life happenings
528
00:31:31.069 --> 00:31:34.799
into the mental state of the Death Riders. Recovering from
529
00:31:35.380 --> 00:31:39.220
losing one of their best friends is hard. And I
530
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:42.000
think you can really examine that in a tasteful way
531
00:31:42.380 --> 00:31:45.740
that doesn't come off like you're exploiting Pac or you're
532
00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:51.509
exploiting the grief of his actual friends. But I think
533
00:31:51.529 --> 00:31:53.599
you can play it off in a really interesting way.
534
00:31:56.700 --> 00:32:00.609
You know, I really thought, especially watching, like, I thought
535
00:32:00.650 --> 00:32:04.049
Will Ospreay was going to beat Moxley for the Continental
536
00:32:04.069 --> 00:32:07.190
Championship when Ospreay came back from the neck injury, right?
537
00:32:07.549 --> 00:32:09.970
So when that didn't happen, I was kind of like, hmm, okay,
538
00:32:10.430 --> 00:32:12.950
where and what, how? And then I thought Moxley would
539
00:32:13.009 --> 00:32:15.690
turn on Will and then somehow do that, but then
540
00:32:15.710 --> 00:32:19.230
that didn't happen either. I don't know. I was really
541
00:32:19.289 --> 00:32:23.549
thinking that Moxley holds the title until the Continental Cup, but...
542
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.460
now like or the continental classic rather um but now
543
00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:31.880
like to your point like these these people marina too
544
00:32:31.940 --> 00:32:35.240
like they're grieving and i feel badly for them take
545
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:37.869
the title off them give mark davis the run with
546
00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:40.710
it give him some shine let these folks grieve their
547
00:32:40.750 --> 00:32:43.250
fallen brother man and then let him come back more
548
00:32:43.269 --> 00:32:46.930
determined and crazier than ever or whatever but yeah you
549
00:32:46.970 --> 00:32:49.849
know he's always been their ace moxley has you know
550
00:32:50.369 --> 00:32:53.329
with the punk drama and anytime there's something going on
551
00:32:53.349 --> 00:32:55.529
they They put the belt on Moxley to kind of
552
00:32:55.589 --> 00:32:58.990
right the ship. But, I mean, he is only so human, man,
553
00:32:59.009 --> 00:33:02.950
you know. That's tough. I mean, Daniel Garcia, so close
554
00:33:03.009 --> 00:33:06.930
to Butcher. And then, of course, you know, Pat. I mean,
555
00:33:07.009 --> 00:33:12.019
God bless, man. So, yeah. Selfishly, too, though, if this
556
00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:14.559
gives Dunkzilla a run, I'm not mad at it because,
557
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.500
I mean, he's going to put on a bag of matches.
558
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.779
This is how I would do it. And you can
559
00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:25.809
kind of play a real-life story into this. have Jon
560
00:33:25.849 --> 00:33:31.130
Moxley lose and, you know, make the story be that
561
00:33:32.029 --> 00:33:39.460
Jon Moxley needed time to, you know, think, grieve, and,
562
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:45.700
you know, he wasn't focused and losing matches here and there.
563
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:51.769
The team's losing matches. Have Moxley kind of the story
564
00:33:51.809 --> 00:33:53.910
being that he gets away for the next four weeks
565
00:33:55.410 --> 00:34:01.380
and then let him return for the Continental Classic and
566
00:34:01.390 --> 00:34:03.339
have a little bit of a redemption and then get
567
00:34:03.380 --> 00:34:11.719
into the finals and win the belt back. So that's
568
00:34:11.739 --> 00:34:15.440
what I'm thinking there. It seems like to me for
569
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:19.500
now Moxley is pretty much like the He's pretty much
570
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.280
the face of the Continental Classic belt at this point.
571
00:34:23.010 --> 00:34:25.469
So I think you get it off him for a
572
00:34:25.469 --> 00:34:28.369
little while. Let's give somebody else a little run, see
573
00:34:28.389 --> 00:34:31.409
what happens, and then let Moxley get back in the
574
00:34:31.449 --> 00:34:34.010
tournament and have a little redemption story to honor his
575
00:34:34.070 --> 00:34:34.449
fallen brother.
576
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.699
It would also be good to see what we actually
577
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:48.239
have with this belt and this division because it's been
578
00:34:48.260 --> 00:34:51.320
tied to Moxley for so long and the Moxley style
579
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:54.860
of match. It'll be interesting to see someone else who
580
00:34:54.920 --> 00:35:00.579
is still hard-hitting, bruiser, puts on absolute classics with pretty
581
00:35:00.619 --> 00:35:03.300
much any competitor. I think it'll still be interesting to
582
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:06.369
see how the division changes around Mark with the way
583
00:35:06.630 --> 00:35:08.489
that it was built around Moxley.
584
00:35:08.530 --> 00:35:11.409
I think it could be a very interesting dynamic.
585
00:35:14.670 --> 00:35:18.590
What do you think of that, Shiv, with Moxley losing
586
00:35:18.650 --> 00:35:23.050
it and going away, finding himself for a few weeks,
587
00:35:23.090 --> 00:35:23.969
and then joining the class?
588
00:35:23.989 --> 00:35:28.340
Coming back crazy. Yeah, I like that because it gives
589
00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:30.079
him the time to kind of step away a bit,
590
00:35:30.179 --> 00:35:34.360
kind of get his stuff, whatever. But then, yeah, come back, recharge,
591
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:39.800
refresh to do it. But I think he loses in
592
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.059
the final. I think I've seen enough of Jon Moxley
593
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.099
with this title belt, if I'm being honest. And I
594
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.380
felt that way with Okada with it too forever since
595
00:35:47.420 --> 00:35:50.840
before that. And so I don't know. I think that's great.
596
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:54.840
I think that would be dope. I mean, I don't know.
597
00:35:54.860 --> 00:35:57.000
I'm curious to see where he goes with, I mean,
598
00:35:57.059 --> 00:35:59.179
the international championship. I think he had held that though
599
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:03.780
at one point. So I don't know. Yeah, I think
600
00:36:03.820 --> 00:36:05.219
it will be a really good story. I think it'll
601
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:08.050
be a nice, when they drop the graphic for the
602
00:36:08.110 --> 00:36:10.829
gold league or the blue league and you see Moxley there,
603
00:36:10.849 --> 00:36:13.550
I think that'll pop the crowd huge. So great idea.
604
00:36:14.590 --> 00:36:17.440
I think a good place for him after would probably
605
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.920
be the Trios titles. If we're going with this idea
606
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:24.059
that the Death Riders all need to grieve and recover,
607
00:36:24.460 --> 00:36:29.000
then them recovering through fighting together in the Trios title
608
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:33.329
and coming together again, stronger and better, I think that's
609
00:36:33.369 --> 00:36:35.250
a pretty good direction for them. That could be a
610
00:36:36.050 --> 00:36:39.389
face Death Riders taking out a heel swerve and new level.
611
00:36:39.849 --> 00:36:41.710
Maybe they hold it for a little too long. New
612
00:36:41.730 --> 00:36:43.510
level gets cocky, starts turning heel.
613
00:36:44.179 --> 00:36:47.179
We've had a honeymoon period with them where we love
614
00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:50.820
them at some point, that's probably gonna end as great
615
00:36:50.860 --> 00:36:54.400
as they are, you know? Uh, so face death riders
616
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:56.800
versus heel new level and swerve with the death riders
617
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:57.739
coming out on top.
618
00:36:58.019 --> 00:36:58.320
I think.
619
00:36:58.619 --> 00:37:00.559
I love that idea. And you know what, that's pretty,
620
00:37:01.300 --> 00:37:06.690
that sounds very realistic actually. So email.
621
00:37:09.070 --> 00:37:12.550
Apparently I, called all of kofi's booking i was texting
622
00:37:12.570 --> 00:37:14.769
a friend of mine at my other job and we
623
00:37:14.809 --> 00:37:16.710
were talking as soon as they debuted i was like
624
00:37:16.750 --> 00:37:18.849
they should do this this this and this and he's
625
00:37:18.889 --> 00:37:20.429
like man i'm just waiting for him to be in
626
00:37:20.449 --> 00:37:22.340
the c2 and for nick wayne to hang out with
627
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:27.559
him now because everything else i've called like it's funny.
628
00:37:29.619 --> 00:37:35.809
We have the aew national championship being defended andrade l
629
00:37:35.989 --> 00:37:45.829
edelo Defending against Tommaso Ciampa once again. I haven't really
630
00:37:45.869 --> 00:37:48.570
put much thought into this one, but this is another
631
00:37:48.610 --> 00:37:53.840
title that possibly could change. I believe this is the
632
00:37:53.900 --> 00:38:00.079
second time? Second straight pay-per-view we're seeing this? No. But
633
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:03.639
it's the second... Not second straight pay-per-view, but I feel
634
00:38:03.659 --> 00:38:07.210
like this is the second time we're seeing... Andrade versus Ciampa,
635
00:38:07.250 --> 00:38:07.949
if I'm not mistaken.
636
00:38:09.989 --> 00:38:10.570
NXT, yeah.
637
00:38:11.190 --> 00:38:14.010
Yeah, they have wrestled before. I don't think a singles
638
00:38:14.050 --> 00:38:17.030
match in AEW, though.
639
00:38:17.590 --> 00:38:20.750
Hold on, correct me. Who was Ciampa's daughter, giving the
640
00:38:20.769 --> 00:38:23.070
finger still, at the last show?
641
00:38:24.010 --> 00:38:24.409
Oh, God.
642
00:38:24.469 --> 00:38:25.610
Jericho.
643
00:38:25.699 --> 00:38:27.010
Oh, no, it was Jericho.
644
00:38:27.030 --> 00:38:33.699
You're right. But, yeah, so we have Ciampa against Andrade here.
645
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:35.360
You know what?
646
00:38:35.739 --> 00:38:35.980
I mean.
647
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.099
Andrade is not going to hold this belt forever. We
648
00:38:39.139 --> 00:38:45.539
know that because what else he's carrying? That contract. How
649
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:49.800
do you know? How do you know? Which seems to me,
650
00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:54.780
if I have to guess, Andrade probably holds this contract
651
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:59.179
in his hand until through December, I would think. Up
652
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:03.070
until World's End or maybe past it. But I don't
653
00:39:03.090 --> 00:39:07.230
think any earlier than World's End. andrade holds that contract
654
00:39:07.250 --> 00:39:12.449
too and right now you see osprey uh andrade pretty
655
00:39:12.469 --> 00:39:16.880
much almost just best of buddies united united united empire
656
00:39:16.900 --> 00:39:22.579
my united kingdom here united empire uh which um we've
657
00:39:22.579 --> 00:39:24.949
seen the additions of the brawling birds Did I get
658
00:39:24.969 --> 00:39:25.489
that name right?
659
00:39:26.190 --> 00:39:26.429
Yeah.
660
00:39:27.170 --> 00:39:33.969
Yeah. So Will Ospreay is building a little thing there. But, yeah,
661
00:39:34.090 --> 00:39:39.030
Andrade has been– he had a fantastic match against Pac
662
00:39:40.050 --> 00:39:46.599
at All Out. Phenomenal match. And, yeah. So how do
663
00:39:46.619 --> 00:39:47.980
you know? How do you know who's going to win
664
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:52.010
this match this– saturday night show i.
665
00:39:52.030 --> 00:39:54.349
Think as much as i love this run andrade's on
666
00:39:54.369 --> 00:39:55.630
i think you're right i don't think he needs this
667
00:39:55.690 --> 00:39:59.070
belt any longer i think that's great i think maybe
668
00:39:59.090 --> 00:40:01.750
time to transition it over to champa let champa have
669
00:40:01.829 --> 00:40:04.170
it you know i mean why not give this psycho
670
00:40:04.190 --> 00:40:07.989
killer something to do and he would obviously carry the
671
00:40:08.010 --> 00:40:09.969
title it would be interesting to see him put on
672
00:40:09.989 --> 00:40:14.210
some banger matches as well because i don't know man
673
00:40:14.630 --> 00:40:17.900
Andrade retains. Give me back Andrade. How do you know?
674
00:40:18.219 --> 00:40:21.800
Take the pants off, man.
675
00:40:21.860 --> 00:40:25.599
He, he, he has, he, he has been on fire.
676
00:40:25.619 --> 00:40:27.679
He's been on fire lately.
677
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:32.739
Yeah. It's such a tough situation. I love both guys.
678
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.780
I think they both have been absolutely incredible the past
679
00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:39.789
couple of months, uh, since both of their re-debut in
680
00:40:39.829 --> 00:40:46.300
Andrade's case and debut in Tommaso's case. Uh, Canonically, Will
681
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:51.739
Ospreay is a fucking moron. So having a snake in
682
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:56.469
the grass Andrade with the contract and being buddy-buddy and
683
00:40:56.489 --> 00:41:00.150
then striking at the right moment when he least expected,
684
00:41:00.869 --> 00:41:05.070
kind of like how Callum Newman did to him last
685
00:41:05.130 --> 00:41:08.130
week in New Japan or a couple days ago. I
686
00:41:08.190 --> 00:41:10.650
forget exactly what day. He tried to decapitate the poor
687
00:41:10.690 --> 00:41:15.630
man in New Japan. But yeah, I think Tommaso Ciampa
688
00:41:15.650 --> 00:41:18.210
winning just kind of fits where both guys are going.
689
00:41:18.489 --> 00:41:21.489
Tommaso Ciampa trying to chase that high that he got
690
00:41:21.570 --> 00:41:24.039
in his debut, winning that TNT title. He's going to
691
00:41:24.059 --> 00:41:26.360
get the national title. It's not going to be enough.
692
00:41:26.420 --> 00:41:29.619
He needs that world title win to really get what
693
00:41:29.659 --> 00:41:31.920
he felt when he first debuted. I think that's kind
694
00:41:31.940 --> 00:41:33.940
of where they're going. So I kind of see him
695
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.900
going through a couple different title reigns, shorter ones with
696
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.360
a couple different titles, to kind of get us to
697
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:43.809
that point. And then Andrade, I mean... We're setting up
698
00:41:43.889 --> 00:41:46.070
Andrade versus Will Ospreay at some point. It's going to
699
00:41:46.090 --> 00:41:48.789
be one of our big fall pay-per-views. World's End, I think,
700
00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:52.400
is the perfect place for Andrade versus Will. It gives
701
00:41:52.460 --> 00:41:55.139
us another four months of life, or another two months
702
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.900
of fuck-boy Andrade that we all know and love before
703
00:41:58.940 --> 00:42:00.929
he has to kind of start being a heel again
704
00:42:01.329 --> 00:42:03.070
to take on Will Ospreay and leave.
705
00:42:03.789 --> 00:42:05.170
I think that's kind of where we're going.
706
00:42:05.650 --> 00:42:08.579
Not to mention, we still have MJF on. waiting in
707
00:42:08.619 --> 00:42:13.820
the wings, running around saying that he is the real champion,
708
00:42:13.969 --> 00:42:22.690
still carrying around his Bunbury turd brown belt, claiming he's
709
00:42:22.730 --> 00:42:27.360
still the main champion. So I have a feeling MJF
710
00:42:27.429 --> 00:42:29.360
is still kind of lurking around the title scene.
711
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:34.900
Shout out to New Japan right now. They're cooking, if
712
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.460
I'm being honest with you. You got Omega over there.
713
00:42:37.539 --> 00:42:41.179
You got MJF challenging over there. You got stuff going
714
00:42:41.219 --> 00:42:46.969
on with Callum Newman and Ospreay. I may be dusting
715
00:42:47.030 --> 00:42:50.789
off my old New Japan World subscription again, seeing what
716
00:42:50.829 --> 00:42:53.670
that's looking like, as if I need more wrestling in
717
00:42:53.710 --> 00:42:56.650
my life. But if I'm being honest, yeah, I think
718
00:42:56.670 --> 00:42:59.289
that would be kind of dope to see. So good stuff.
719
00:43:00.349 --> 00:43:03.869
We have never done a New Japan Pro Wrestling Show
720
00:43:03.929 --> 00:43:07.449
review before, ever in the history. of this podcast.
721
00:43:09.309 --> 00:43:11.150
Wrestle Kingdom this next year.
722
00:43:11.809 --> 00:43:14.570
It very well could be possible, especially if MJF and
723
00:43:14.590 --> 00:43:21.619
Kenny Omega are still lurking around over there. Yeah, and
724
00:43:21.820 --> 00:43:24.019
you know what? New Japan needs to start power over there, too.
725
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:27.199
They need help, and I think they're getting good help,
726
00:43:27.579 --> 00:43:28.920
from what I'm hearing, at least.
727
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:32.050
They have a good crowd. They have a good crop
728
00:43:32.090 --> 00:43:34.630
of new guys that it took forever for them to
729
00:43:34.670 --> 00:43:37.949
finally push. It took the pushing out of the Okadas
730
00:43:38.269 --> 00:43:40.409
and the Jay Whites and Omegas for them to finally
731
00:43:40.489 --> 00:43:44.349
trust this new generation. And we've got, to me, seven
732
00:43:44.389 --> 00:43:46.929
or eight guys that are main event level guys who
733
00:43:47.030 --> 00:43:51.559
are fantastic. So they're doing fantastic after being in a little.
734
00:43:51.409 --> 00:43:52.510
Bit of a down period.
735
00:43:52.590 --> 00:43:56.300
And they did it from trusting their homegrown people, which
736
00:43:56.659 --> 00:43:59.780
more promotions need to do across the world.
737
00:44:01.619 --> 00:44:01.900
Agreed.
738
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:14.110
We have the AWTBS Championship. This is a four-way match. Persephone.
739
00:44:14.750 --> 00:44:18.070
Second from the left. Persephone. She kind of reminds me
740
00:44:18.090 --> 00:44:21.369
of Jada Parker a little bit. I'm not going to lie.
741
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:23.550
I can see it.
742
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:23.679
Yeah.
743
00:44:23.699 --> 00:44:30.380
Defended against Danny Luna. We got Danny Luna there. yeah,
744
00:44:30.420 --> 00:44:33.949
on the left and, uh, high end. Um, and then queen, uh,
745
00:44:34.900 --> 00:44:37.079
I'm not, uh, on the right. And we were talking
746
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:41.809
about this before. Um, I would think if, if there's
747
00:44:41.849 --> 00:44:44.750
a title change here, I think queen, I'm a nada
748
00:44:45.670 --> 00:44:50.429
would be one. I'd like to see, um, get the belt.
749
00:44:50.889 --> 00:44:53.969
I do like Persephone's work and I'm interested in seeing,
750
00:44:54.570 --> 00:44:57.789
you know, um, what her title run could be. Cause
751
00:44:57.949 --> 00:45:00.909
she's only really been champion. What for, What, two months now,
752
00:45:00.929 --> 00:45:01.780
if I'm not mistaken?
753
00:45:03.369 --> 00:45:04.289
Yeah, a couple months.
754
00:45:04.329 --> 00:45:11.110
Roundabout? Yeah, yeah. So I'm definitely liking what Persephone's been
755
00:45:11.150 --> 00:45:20.550
doing so far. But you guys' thoughts? Who walks out champion?
756
00:45:20.570 --> 00:45:24.230
I am so conflicted. I feel like I've said that
757
00:45:24.309 --> 00:45:26.909
every match. But this one more than any of the
758
00:45:26.969 --> 00:45:31.739
other ones. It's like four of my... Favorite up-and-coming girls
759
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:36.699
in AEW, up-and-coming women. Danny Luna was fantastic in TNA.
760
00:45:36.949 --> 00:45:42.090
An absolute steal for AEW. I'm not sure what TNA
761
00:45:42.170 --> 00:45:44.289
is doing. I want to root for them, but when
762
00:45:44.309 --> 00:45:47.550
they make stupid decisions like letting Danny Luna go, it's
763
00:45:47.590 --> 00:45:48.969
hard to do that.
764
00:45:49.150 --> 00:45:51.369
And firing Max Caster. Sorry.
765
00:45:52.889 --> 00:45:55.550
That is a whole crazy discussion.
766
00:45:56.469 --> 00:45:58.849
You only had your company talked about for the first
767
00:45:58.889 --> 00:46:01.750
time in God knows how long. But anyways, whatever.
768
00:46:02.190 --> 00:46:04.929
I know we shouldn't, but just as an aside, you
769
00:46:04.969 --> 00:46:07.309
put him out there. You went over it. You knew
770
00:46:07.349 --> 00:46:09.730
he was doing that. You put it on your socials.
771
00:46:10.150 --> 00:46:13.889
You only got mad when someone else came in. Some
772
00:46:13.909 --> 00:46:17.309
people have been saying, yeah, some have said WWE. I
773
00:46:17.389 --> 00:46:20.150
actually think it's more Qatar Pro Wrestling and a couple
774
00:46:20.190 --> 00:46:22.110
of their other partners in the Middle East that they've
775
00:46:22.130 --> 00:46:24.789
been trying to court media-wise, I think is the one
776
00:46:24.829 --> 00:46:28.929
that brought the hammer down. but don't throw your wrestler
777
00:46:29.030 --> 00:46:33.829
under the bus when you are just as complicit in
778
00:46:33.869 --> 00:46:37.090
what happened. That's neither here nor there. We're here for
779
00:46:37.110 --> 00:46:40.769
a W I want Danny Luna to win. I want
780
00:46:40.809 --> 00:46:41.929
queen Aminata to win.
781
00:46:42.030 --> 00:46:42.550
I want high.
782
00:46:42.610 --> 00:46:44.730
I want every single woman in this match to win,
783
00:46:45.090 --> 00:46:48.250
which tells me that Persephone should probably still win and
784
00:46:48.309 --> 00:46:49.210
continue her reign.
785
00:46:50.409 --> 00:46:55.349
Yeah. Uh, Percy has, uh, Dr. Britt Baker, DMD, calls her.
786
00:46:55.769 --> 00:46:58.679
I think Dr. Britt Baker does have a big hand
787
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:01.880
in this. I think that she does help Persephone retain.
788
00:47:01.900 --> 00:47:04.079
I don't think Persephone needs anybody's help. I think she's
789
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:08.239
a star. I think she's got this... You know when
790
00:47:08.260 --> 00:47:10.019
you look at somebody and you think, okay, based on
791
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:12.239
charisma and everything, they just kind of have it? I
792
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:14.139
think that she does, in fact, have it. I think
793
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.329
she's got the size, the look. I think she can
794
00:47:16.369 --> 00:47:18.849
work heel. I really do. I think she can actually
795
00:47:18.889 --> 00:47:21.619
do well. I think she does carry this title for
796
00:47:21.780 --> 00:47:24.360
a little while, actually, and she just kind of uses
797
00:47:24.380 --> 00:47:27.739
this as a way to say that she's beaten three
798
00:47:27.820 --> 00:47:30.099
on top of Maya and then just kind of building
799
00:47:30.139 --> 00:47:32.760
this way. I don't know how long it'll carry, but
800
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:34.050
I think Persephone dominates.
801
00:47:36.369 --> 00:47:38.510
Yeah, so it looks like we've got Persephone all around.
802
00:47:38.530 --> 00:47:41.449
Doug with a little confliction, but it looks like we've
803
00:47:41.469 --> 00:47:48.099
got Persephone all around. All right. Two more matches to go.
804
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:54.619
Chris Jericho against Nick Wayne. I believe... Did I pull
805
00:47:54.659 --> 00:48:00.260
up the graphic for that? Did I? Oh, well. I
806
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:04.449
believe the stipulation is here if Nick Wayne wins, Chris
807
00:48:04.489 --> 00:48:06.090
Jericho has to apologize to him.
808
00:48:07.309 --> 00:48:07.510
Yeah.
809
00:48:08.510 --> 00:48:11.949
Did I catch that right? And was that on... Collision?
810
00:48:12.179 --> 00:48:13.449
That Nick Wayne gave that promo?
811
00:48:13.630 --> 00:48:13.909
Yes.
812
00:48:14.250 --> 00:48:14.530
Yes.
813
00:48:14.630 --> 00:48:14.989
Okay.
814
00:48:15.170 --> 00:48:17.150
I wonder why, because I did not watch the rest
815
00:48:17.170 --> 00:48:20.719
of Collision last night, because, you know, midnight was calling me,
816
00:48:20.769 --> 00:48:21.610
and I was falling asleep.
817
00:48:22.550 --> 00:48:24.570
Oh, man, I had a whole day after I watched Collision.
818
00:48:24.610 --> 00:48:25.110
I'm just kidding.
819
00:48:25.909 --> 00:48:34.829
You did. It's my 6 o'clock view. But yeah, that's
820
00:48:34.849 --> 00:48:37.369
the stipulation there. Nick Wayne probably goes over.
821
00:48:38.789 --> 00:48:39.070
Yeah.
822
00:48:39.349 --> 00:48:40.650
Because of building new stars.
823
00:48:42.250 --> 00:48:46.030
I think if they don't do that, it is probably
824
00:48:46.050 --> 00:48:48.320
the dumbest decision they've made in a while, if they
825
00:48:48.340 --> 00:48:52.300
don't have Nick Wayne go over. Jericho's a legend. He
826
00:48:52.380 --> 00:48:54.920
seems to have dropped a Chris from Jericho, if I'm
827
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:57.119
looking at this right, which I find hilarious.
828
00:48:57.940 --> 00:48:58.699
Neither here nor there.
829
00:48:59.469 --> 00:49:02.789
Nick Wayne is a prodigy. Jericho knows that. He has
830
00:49:02.809 --> 00:49:05.670
to work with him himself. I think we're going to
831
00:49:05.690 --> 00:49:08.269
have a humble Jericho here. Let the kid win.
832
00:49:08.659 --> 00:49:12.079
Apologize. Maybe set up a fourth match. I hope not.
833
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:14.289
I hope we can just get Nick way to win,
834
00:49:14.530 --> 00:49:16.809
get them out of here, get them in. I don't
835
00:49:16.829 --> 00:49:18.150
know the TNT title scene.
836
00:49:18.250 --> 00:49:18.730
I don't care.
837
00:49:19.130 --> 00:49:23.739
Get them somewhere else, elevate it, use Jericho, elevate this kid.
838
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:27.940
And then just let everyone continue to see how fantastic
839
00:49:27.980 --> 00:49:31.320
he is. He's a great promo already a little stiff
840
00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:33.840
at times, a little overactive at times, but I think
841
00:49:33.900 --> 00:49:37.000
it fits his current spoiled brat kind of character. Uh,
842
00:49:38.630 --> 00:49:39.929
And matches are fantastic.
843
00:49:39.989 --> 00:49:40.469
I don't know.
844
00:49:41.409 --> 00:49:45.659
Like along with like Kevin Knight, probably the end speedball,
845
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:50.500
probably the best signing they've had are the best like young.
846
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:53.739
What's the right way to put it? He has exploded
847
00:49:53.820 --> 00:49:55.840
so much this past year and has done, has improved
848
00:49:55.900 --> 00:49:58.099
so much just like Kevin Knight and speedball have since
849
00:49:58.139 --> 00:49:58.579
they have come.
850
00:49:58.659 --> 00:50:00.260
It's kind of like a future pillar.
851
00:50:00.340 --> 00:50:00.699
Almost.
852
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:03.260
He could kind of build around that. And I agree.
853
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:06.079
His promos are a little, little rough, but, But at
854
00:50:06.139 --> 00:50:08.909
the same time, too, I have to remember he's like
855
00:50:08.909 --> 00:50:12.030
22 or 21 years old. And so, like, I know
856
00:50:12.050 --> 00:50:15.110
I wouldn't be– they would have to censor me out.
857
00:50:15.170 --> 00:50:18.710
I would get Max Castered, brother. You know, so it
858
00:50:18.730 --> 00:50:21.059
would be one of those things. But, yeah, I mean, yeah,
859
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:25.119
I hope Nick Wayne goes over. He should. There's nothing
860
00:50:25.380 --> 00:50:27.860
Chris Jericho needs to do anymore at this point other
861
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.739
than just smile, have people sing his song, and put
862
00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:33.090
other talent over, and get the hell out of town.
863
00:50:33.389 --> 00:50:33.889
Cash the check.
864
00:50:36.590 --> 00:50:38.679
We are going to talk about the main event in
865
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:41.920
just one moment, but just to do a little show
866
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:48.099
reset really quick, I am joined by Shiv, a.k.a. The
867
00:50:48.139 --> 00:50:54.960
Curry Thunder, and joined by Doug Canavan from Back Sports Page.
868
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:58.780
This is our prediction show, and here we go. We
869
00:50:58.820 --> 00:51:05.679
are going to talk about the main events of A.E. W,
870
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:10.750
Wrestle Dream, and a stacked one it is. So, here
871
00:51:11.090 --> 00:51:15.010
are the rules. So, for you guys that have no
872
00:51:15.150 --> 00:51:19.489
clue what a Clockwork Challenge match is, neither do I.
873
00:51:19.510 --> 00:51:24.159
Until yesterday, when they gave us a full explanation on
874
00:51:24.380 --> 00:51:27.320
Dynamite of what this match is. So, here we go.
875
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:32.840
The match is going to be where two men start.
876
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:39.679
Every three minutes, three, okay? Every three minutes, a new
877
00:51:39.739 --> 00:51:45.510
competitor will enter. If anyone is eliminated before all eight
878
00:51:45.590 --> 00:51:51.530
men have entered the match, that competitor is out. After
879
00:51:51.769 --> 00:51:57.880
all men have entered, the clock starts for 15 minutes.
880
00:51:59.070 --> 00:52:02.360
Correct me if I'm wrong, guys, but whoever has the
881
00:52:02.420 --> 00:52:08.000
most points... in that 15 minutes, via submission or pinfall,
882
00:52:08.940 --> 00:52:18.829
wins that match and walks out AEW World Heavyweight Championship.
883
00:52:21.469 --> 00:52:23.659
AEW World Heavyweight Championship.
884
00:52:23.699 --> 00:52:25.940
New Money in the Bank winner.
885
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:28.579
So, Ospreay does not have to get pinned. So, let
886
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:32.119
me tell you, if this match was... Oh, don't get
887
00:52:32.139 --> 00:52:35.739
me started on Money in the Bank. But great wrestled show,
888
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:44.500
but still, the results, unbelievable. The... Will Ospreay does not
889
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.900
have to get... Now, if this type of match was
890
00:52:47.940 --> 00:52:52.219
going to be, like, maybe six or eight months into
891
00:52:52.300 --> 00:52:56.760
Will Ospreay's title run, then I would say, like, okay,
892
00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:00.340
Will Ospreay could very well lose it here. He doesn't
893
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:04.119
have to lose... He doesn't have to be physically pinned
894
00:53:04.179 --> 00:53:09.340
or submitted in order to lose this. It's all by points.
895
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:13.000
It's a good way to protect him, right? He's only
896
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:16.780
had this title for two months. He's not losing this
897
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:19.960
within the first six months of his reign, to be
898
00:53:19.980 --> 00:53:24.519
honest with you. I think Will Ospreay is personally going
899
00:53:25.860 --> 00:53:31.260
to hold this until double or nothing. But I want
900
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.900
to hear what you guys think. I mean, this is
901
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:38.510
the type of match where, yeah, your champion could very
902
00:53:38.550 --> 00:53:42.130
well lose it and it doesn't hurt him. But, you know,
903
00:53:42.210 --> 00:53:44.670
being that it's two months into his title reign, I
904
00:53:44.969 --> 00:53:48.679
just don't think he does. But if I would say
905
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:51.260
Will Ospreay was champion for like eight months by now,
906
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:55.199
then I'd say like a red flag. Somebody else is
907
00:53:55.219 --> 00:53:56.679
winning this. But what do you guys think?
908
00:53:58.860 --> 00:54:01.380
I hope it's speedball. I'm just kidding. I know it's
909
00:54:01.420 --> 00:54:02.719
not going to be my guy.
910
00:54:02.739 --> 00:54:05.239
I was going to make the same joke. It's going
911
00:54:05.260 --> 00:54:06.199
to make the same joke.
912
00:54:06.340 --> 00:54:07.500
No way. Thank you.
913
00:54:07.539 --> 00:54:10.239
You can say the same thing.
914
00:54:10.940 --> 00:54:11.230
Thank you.
915
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:13.159
It's just having speedball carry your company.
916
00:54:15.219 --> 00:54:17.320
Honestly, one of the better decisions TNA ever did. When
917
00:54:17.340 --> 00:54:22.059
you look at it, though, man. Thank you for explaining
918
00:54:22.099 --> 00:54:23.889
it because I was still a little hazy on it,
919
00:54:24.380 --> 00:54:25.980
if I'm being honest. And then the way you explained
920
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.980
it made perfect sense. By my count, that's 18 minutes
921
00:54:29.019 --> 00:54:33.019
of entrance and then 15 minutes essentially of wrestling. So
922
00:54:33.059 --> 00:54:36.659
it's going to be at least 30 minutes of actual wrestling.
923
00:54:36.699 --> 00:54:39.030
And then those last 15 minutes are where they'll accumulate
924
00:54:39.610 --> 00:54:44.070
the most pinfalls and submissions. Yeah, I think it'll be...
925
00:54:44.949 --> 00:54:46.969
I'll be locked in because I don't fully understand. Like,
926
00:54:47.010 --> 00:54:50.030
I want to see what it looks like, right? This,
927
00:54:50.389 --> 00:54:51.949
I'm sure, I think they said it was kind of
928
00:54:52.010 --> 00:54:55.900
akin to like the Iron Survivor or something that NXT
929
00:54:55.940 --> 00:54:58.519
ever did. But if I'm being honest, I never watched
930
00:54:58.539 --> 00:55:02.280
that either. So I couldn't tell you. So yeah, this,
931
00:55:02.619 --> 00:55:04.800
I'm kind of looking at this as almost like when
932
00:55:05.500 --> 00:55:08.139
they introduced like the elimination chamber and I was kind
933
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:10.139
of like, I have to see it to understand it.
934
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:13.469
Obviously it's not a structure or anything like that, but yeah,
935
00:55:13.510 --> 00:55:15.130
I think this would be kind of dope to see. Uh,
936
00:55:15.170 --> 00:55:17.170
but no, I think Wayne, you're a hundred percent right.
937
00:55:17.949 --> 00:55:20.250
I think Will Ospreay wins this. I mean, he wanted
938
00:55:20.269 --> 00:55:24.329
to do this match, I think for a reason. So, um, yeah,
939
00:55:24.389 --> 00:55:26.449
I mean, it'd be kind of dope to see if
940
00:55:26.550 --> 00:55:29.309
Kesha randomly have it or whatever, but I think, you know,
941
00:55:29.369 --> 00:55:32.750
Kata will kind of get after it. I doubt Darby
942
00:55:32.769 --> 00:55:37.949
gets anything, uh, Mike Speedball. Someone's got to eat the pins,
943
00:55:37.969 --> 00:55:38.130
I guess.
944
00:55:38.150 --> 00:55:41.940
You've got Ricochet, Adam Copeland, Samoa Joe. You've got some
945
00:55:41.980 --> 00:55:43.119
good names in this match.
946
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:44.820
Don't sleep on Joe, man.
947
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.559
No.
948
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:52.000
They have absolutely stacked this match, and that includes Speedball
949
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.440
Mike Bailey, who is incredible.
950
00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:57.090
Yeah, he's going to be a workhorse. Him and Ricochet
951
00:55:57.110 --> 00:55:59.469
are going to be the workhorse. I mean, they're all workhorses,
952
00:55:59.550 --> 00:56:01.590
but he's going to be one of the workhorses in
953
00:56:01.610 --> 00:56:05.510
this match. The high-flying... Spot, Samoa, Ricochet, too. Those guys
954
00:56:05.530 --> 00:56:06.289
are going to tear it up.
955
00:56:08.070 --> 00:56:11.619
It goes back to what you said, though. What you said, Wayne.
956
00:56:12.539 --> 00:56:16.280
If this was further into Will Ospreay's reign, I think
957
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:19.739
then more people would be like, all right, this is
958
00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:22.070
where it's coming. I think that's kind of why they
959
00:56:22.110 --> 00:56:25.860
have absolutely stacked this match with people who are Not
960
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:29.199
just believable, yeah, not just legit, but kind of overdue
961
00:56:29.610 --> 00:56:32.809
some of them for world title reigns, Takeshita, Okada.
962
00:56:33.829 --> 00:56:34.449
Just a little.
963
00:56:35.050 --> 00:56:38.340
People who, like, people are clamoring to see have world
964
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:40.690
title reigns, And it's always going to end up back.
965
00:56:40.550 --> 00:56:43.050
On the loss, right? We know that. He's the Billy Goat.
966
00:56:43.380 --> 00:56:44.420
He's the face right now.
967
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:47.199
We have more juice to squeeze out of the rain.
968
00:56:47.539 --> 00:56:50.099
We've got an Andrade match. We've got an FJF match.
969
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:53.500
We've got a Callum Newman match at Forbidden Door, probably.
970
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:55.760
We've got a lot of things that we have to
971
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:59.730
get to still. So Will is obviously going to win.
972
00:56:59.750 --> 00:57:03.869
I do want to talk about the stipulation slightly because
973
00:57:03.889 --> 00:57:08.820
I've heard so many people, like, I agree that it's
974
00:57:08.860 --> 00:57:09.840
a bit convoluted.
975
00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:11.139
That I agree with.
976
00:57:11.579 --> 00:57:15.889
The idea that it's like super hard to understand, I
977
00:57:15.909 --> 00:57:18.889
kind of push back on because it's a rumble with
978
00:57:18.929 --> 00:57:20.849
a gauntlet with a scramble.
979
00:57:21.110 --> 00:57:23.449
It's just like war games. I mean, you have two
980
00:57:23.510 --> 00:57:30.159
men enter and then every couple minutes, a guy comes
981
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:32.139
in and when all the competitors are in, then the
982
00:57:32.460 --> 00:57:33.619
official match starts.
983
00:57:34.460 --> 00:57:34.699
Yes.
984
00:57:35.260 --> 00:57:37.760
So it's almost similar to that concept a little bit.
985
00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.750
But, like, you can get eliminated prior to the 15 minutes, though, right?
986
00:57:42.050 --> 00:57:42.349
Yes.
987
00:57:42.929 --> 00:57:43.349
Yeah.
988
00:57:43.610 --> 00:57:43.829
Okay.
989
00:57:45.050 --> 00:57:45.989
Then you're out of the match.
990
00:57:46.929 --> 00:57:49.110
It's hard to, like, visualize because it's the first of
991
00:57:49.170 --> 00:57:51.250
its kind and we haven't really seen. So, like, in
992
00:57:51.289 --> 00:57:54.809
your head, when we say Royal Rumble, like, in your head,
993
00:57:54.889 --> 00:57:57.170
you can play a Royal Rumble out. Since it's the
994
00:57:57.210 --> 00:58:00.090
first match, like, we don't really have any idea what
995
00:58:00.110 --> 00:58:03.710
this is going to look like. But I don't think it's, like,
996
00:58:03.769 --> 00:58:04.070
super hard.
997
00:58:04.090 --> 00:58:06.539
I would imagine, like, If you look at this match,
998
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:09.389
I can tell you right now, just by looking at this,
999
00:58:09.780 --> 00:58:12.190
Edge and Samoa Joe are going to be a late entrance.
1000
00:58:15.030 --> 00:58:17.929
And they'll be part of the last 15 minutes. They're
1001
00:58:17.969 --> 00:58:19.349
not going to open the match, so that means they
1002
00:58:19.369 --> 00:58:20.829
have to be in the match for a long time.
1003
00:58:20.849 --> 00:58:21.690
I don't know, man.
1004
00:58:21.889 --> 00:58:24.409
I think Joe goes bell to bell like Shawn Michaels
1005
00:58:24.469 --> 00:58:25.389
in the Rumble. I'm kidding.
1006
00:58:25.530 --> 00:58:27.389
I'm kidding.
1007
00:58:28.090 --> 00:58:32.599
Is this guy serious right now? I could definitely see
1008
00:58:33.460 --> 00:58:39.199
your Ricochet, Darby Allin, Speed Bowl, and then Okada opening
1009
00:58:40.019 --> 00:58:42.690
up the match as the first competitors. And then Will
1010
00:58:42.769 --> 00:58:46.789
Ospreay kind of comes in the middle. And then Takeshika,
1011
00:58:47.769 --> 00:58:50.809
followed by Samoa Joe and Edge. I feel like that's
1012
00:58:50.849 --> 00:58:53.369
probably going to be the order of the entrance. The
1013
00:58:53.469 --> 00:58:54.949
old guys are definitely going to get the late entrance.
1014
00:58:54.969 --> 00:58:57.739
Kind of like Royal Rumble. Usually the older guys get
1015
00:58:57.760 --> 00:58:58.440
the later entrance.
1016
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.980
I think we're going to have... Go ahead, Shiv.
1017
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:04.889
No, I was going to say, like, when Port Ray
1018
00:59:04.909 --> 00:59:07.940
Mysterio got 30 and then it wasn't Daniel Bryan, he
1019
00:59:07.980 --> 00:59:10.599
got booed out of the damn building. Poor guy.
1020
00:59:10.619 --> 00:59:15.400
Which Rumble was this?
1021
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:16.000
2014?
1022
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.599
Yeah, before the Yes Movement, right?
1023
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:21.239
2014, where was that Rumble? Was I there?
1024
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:22.380
Hilly, baby.
1025
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:23.539
Hometown.
1026
00:59:23.699 --> 00:59:24.380
Of course it was.
1027
00:59:25.260 --> 00:59:27.050
Who else would boo Roman?
1028
00:59:27.090 --> 00:59:28.550
Philadelphia with Roman Reigns won.
1029
00:59:29.090 --> 00:59:29.289
Yeah.
1030
00:59:30.820 --> 00:59:34.739
Oh, God. I was at that Rumble and freaking you
1031
00:59:34.820 --> 00:59:38.340
see all our favorites get tossed over by Kane and
1032
00:59:38.380 --> 00:59:38.860
Big Show.
1033
00:59:39.900 --> 00:59:41.539
Right.
1034
00:59:41.900 --> 00:59:45.920
They all just threw over Dolph, threw over Bray Wyatt.
1035
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:49.469
These guys are like dead. These guys are dead. Dead weight.
1036
00:59:49.789 --> 00:59:53.610
And then same with Daniel Bryan. Like that Rumble pissed
1037
00:59:53.829 --> 00:59:58.050
off a lot of people in Philadelphia. A lot of people.
1038
00:59:58.110 --> 01:00:01.739
And we were like maybe 15 rows off the floor,
1039
01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:09.480
kind of, like, almost dead center. And, yeah. And then
1040
01:00:09.980 --> 01:00:13.380
The Rock holding up Roman Reigns' hand and Roman Reigns
1041
01:00:13.420 --> 01:00:17.289
still getting booed out the building. Unbelievable.
1042
01:00:17.929 --> 01:00:19.690
Well, send out Dwayne, damn it!
1043
01:00:20.030 --> 01:00:21.090
Send out Dwayne!
1044
01:00:22.090 --> 01:00:25.989
But, like, the way that those eliminations were done, like,
1045
01:00:26.050 --> 01:00:29.389
you could tell Vince McMahon was really, really purposely trying to, like,
1046
01:00:31.110 --> 01:00:34.409
piss off the fans, piss off Philadelphia, and he's probably
1047
01:00:34.570 --> 01:00:35.489
laughing in the back.
1048
01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:36.519
Right.
1049
01:00:36.940 --> 01:00:38.360
What do you think of this, Heyman?
1050
01:00:43.019 --> 01:00:44.900
Speaking of eliminations.
1051
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.619
You just don't do that in Philadelphia, and they did.
1052
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:49.059
No.
1053
01:00:49.659 --> 01:00:54.639
You don't play with my city. We are very quick to.
1054
01:00:54.460 --> 01:00:56.000
Let you know. I would like to believe that WWE
1055
01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:59.300
made up for it in WrestleMania 40, but Yeah.
1056
01:00:59.340 --> 01:01:01.340
I think it was kind of perfect to have the
1057
01:01:01.380 --> 01:01:03.980
villain of Philadelphia lose at the end of one of
1058
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:06.719
the most hyped storylines.
1059
01:01:05.989 --> 01:01:11.230
Of all time in the last 20 years. Do you
1060
01:01:11.250 --> 01:01:19.250
guys have any last-minute comments regarding Russell Dream this Saturday?
1061
01:01:19.269 --> 01:01:20.250
Will you guys be watching live?
1062
01:01:21.230 --> 01:01:22.090
Yes. Yes.
1063
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:26.780
A million percent, which is hard because in college football, man.
1064
01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:30.619
But you know what? This is a pay-per-view, so priorities.
1065
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:36.280
Do we get any debuts here? Do we see Ilya?
1066
01:01:36.420 --> 01:01:37.159
Do we see anybody?
1067
01:01:37.179 --> 01:01:43.530
I did not even think to ask that question. We
1068
01:01:43.550 --> 01:01:47.489
already know the vignette we saw of Ilya Dragunov, that
1069
01:01:47.530 --> 01:01:53.210
that's coming. You figured, you know, Sheamus might be waiting
1070
01:01:53.230 --> 01:02:00.849
in the wings somewhere. That's a possibility there. I'd like
1071
01:02:00.889 --> 01:02:05.429
to see him join the Death Riders. I would definitely
1072
01:02:05.510 --> 01:02:08.199
love to see him do the Death Riders. I think
1073
01:02:08.219 --> 01:02:12.539
that would be a good fit. I don't think we...
1074
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:17.539
I don't think Bayley is a foregone conclusion that she's
1075
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:20.739
going to come to AEW. She might even stay, but
1076
01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:24.429
she still has two, three months left in her contract. Um...
1077
01:02:25.050 --> 01:02:28.789
IWC is posting a bunch of things that a number
1078
01:02:28.849 --> 01:02:34.090
of contracts went out this month. Who's Julia's tag team partner?
1079
01:02:34.110 --> 01:02:35.769
Sky Blue?
1080
01:02:36.989 --> 01:02:39.800
No, no, no. Julia's from WWE.
1081
01:02:40.030 --> 01:02:40.409
Julia.
1082
01:02:40.889 --> 01:02:41.840
Oh, Julia.
1083
01:02:41.900 --> 01:02:45.900
Julia Hart. Kiana James?
1084
01:02:46.619 --> 01:02:49.800
Or not anymore. That was a while ago. Rumor has
1085
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:57.019
it Kiana James' contract is up. Creed Brothers... There were
1086
01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:59.789
a couple names that were kind of thrown out there.
1087
01:02:59.809 --> 01:03:01.889
I know. Like, what are we doing?
1088
01:03:02.289 --> 01:03:07.710
TNA, guys. I'm just saying, it worked for Ali, bro.
1089
01:03:07.769 --> 01:03:11.019
I mean, you can do so much with TNA. I
1090
01:03:11.059 --> 01:03:12.519
just feel like they just can't get out of their
1091
01:03:12.579 --> 01:03:14.900
own way. Anyways, we could go chapter and verse.
1092
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:17.639
Well, I mean, they just had a title change with
1093
01:03:17.659 --> 01:03:18.320
Leon Slater.
1094
01:03:19.530 --> 01:03:20.050
Which was great.
1095
01:03:20.780 --> 01:03:24.519
A wonderful match and an absolutely fantastic wrestler who deserves
1096
01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:27.860
this achievement. The youngest world champion, I think in history
1097
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:30.760
of any major promotion, I'll have to fact check.
1098
01:03:30.579 --> 01:03:32.739
Myself later again, but I think that's true.
1099
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:35.579
Uh, but all the, all anyone has been able to
1100
01:03:35.619 --> 01:03:38.440
talk about is the max caster stuff instead of, of
1101
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:43.550
fantastic Leon Slater match where he was, he was fantastic
1102
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:47.550
and he was put over like a million bucks. The
1103
01:03:47.610 --> 01:03:51.050
turnout ended up being great. Everyone, you know, was talking
1104
01:03:51.090 --> 01:03:55.449
about ticket sales, because they shoot themselves in the foot.
1105
01:03:55.469 --> 01:04:00.489
TNA could be legitimately a competitor with AEW and WWE,
1106
01:04:00.889 --> 01:04:05.219
especially with the TV deal. They need to raid the
1107
01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:11.599
indie scene, raid international. Dragon Gate is in a real
1108
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:16.829
bad way. Steal some of them for your X Division fans. Like,
1109
01:04:17.050 --> 01:04:19.250
NWA has a fantastic women's division.
1110
01:04:19.329 --> 01:04:25.449
OVW, I mean, MLW, even anything, dude. I think what
1111
01:04:25.489 --> 01:04:28.670
made the Alliance storyline so interesting was we finally got
1112
01:04:28.710 --> 01:04:33.300
to see WCW versus WWE back in the day. Now, granted,
1113
01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:35.159
it was not necessarily the WCW we.
1114
01:04:35.090 --> 01:04:37.900
Wanted to see. Oh, yeah, it was like WCW midcard
1115
01:04:37.940 --> 01:04:38.760
versus WWE.
1116
01:04:38.780 --> 01:04:41.980
Yeah, it was WCW Europe. You know what I'm saying? Like,
1117
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:45.989
it was NFL Europe. We got the Claymores. You know
1118
01:04:46.010 --> 01:04:48.300
what I'm saying? Like, that was kind of what it was. But,
1119
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:50.139
you know, even with the ECW, it was still kind
1120
01:04:50.179 --> 01:04:53.400
of dope. You know, so maybe that could be kind
1121
01:04:53.420 --> 01:04:54.800
of a thing. I mean, you throw back to when
1122
01:04:54.820 --> 01:04:57.630
TNA used to work with New Japan. You know, I mean,
1123
01:04:58.329 --> 01:05:00.989
one of the best events I ever went to was, like,
1124
01:05:01.030 --> 01:05:04.269
the multiverse of matches. And, like, I got to see
1125
01:05:04.289 --> 01:05:07.449
the Good Brothers take on, like, the Briscoes. I think
1126
01:05:07.610 --> 01:05:08.780
FTR was in that match.
1127
01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:09.760
It was just sick.
1128
01:05:10.179 --> 01:05:13.949
It was just sick. And so... And they've got such history, too, TNA.
1129
01:05:14.090 --> 01:05:18.369
And the library and everything. I mean, the knockout division. Whatever, man.
1130
01:05:18.409 --> 01:05:21.309
Yeah, no, they've got some talent there. They've got some
1131
01:05:21.329 --> 01:05:22.469
talent there, for sure. Yep.
1132
01:05:22.869 --> 01:05:26.289
And they will be future WWE job mean wrestlers.
1133
01:05:27.349 --> 01:05:27.550
Yep.
1134
01:05:29.030 --> 01:05:31.280
Well, for those of you guys that are watching, that
1135
01:05:31.619 --> 01:05:35.619
wraps up our AEW prediction show for WrestleDream episode 184.
1136
01:05:35.619 --> 01:05:43.150
An AEW post show? Who knows? Who knows? We'll see.
1137
01:05:43.409 --> 01:05:45.449
We'll see. I mean, last week we were intending on
1138
01:05:45.489 --> 01:05:47.289
doing a Money in the Bank post show, and I
1139
01:05:49.530 --> 01:05:52.269
was dead. I was dead. Had no energy, but you
1140
01:05:52.289 --> 01:05:55.039
can still catch the Money in the Bank post show
1141
01:05:55.059 --> 01:06:01.900
that we did on Tuesday. But anyway, at the latest,
1142
01:06:01.980 --> 01:06:07.090
we'll be back. There'll be another episode. We'll be back
1143
01:06:07.150 --> 01:06:13.280
Tuesday night covering Raw. and all that good stuff. We've
1144
01:06:13.300 --> 01:06:16.610
got to check out the aftermath of, no pun intended,
1145
01:06:16.630 --> 01:06:22.449
of OTM with Carmelo Hayes joining. So there's going to
1146
01:06:22.469 --> 01:06:25.329
be a lot to talk about next week. Cannot wait.
1147
01:06:25.349 --> 01:06:30.150
But in the meantime, Shiv, thank you so much. And Doug,
1148
01:06:30.869 --> 01:06:32.670
once again, thank you so much for hopping on. And
1149
01:06:32.710 --> 01:06:34.750
let's see if our predictions are going to be right.
1150
01:06:34.929 --> 01:06:38.780
I believe I'm going to be watching live on Saturday.
1151
01:06:38.860 --> 01:06:42.739
So can't wait. Anyway, we'll talk to you guys soon.
1152
01:06:43.289 --> 01:06:45.269
Everybody have a good night.
1153
01:06:45.289 --> 01:06:47.030
Take care.