Pakleds! | With Robert McCullough | TNG 2.17, "Samaritan Snare" | T7R #249

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A cardiac replacement procedure has a mortality
rate of two point four percent. Twenty
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four is the gateway to heroic salvation
and the pack lads are smart. Hello
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everybody, and welcome to the Seventh
Roll with Sarrok Lofton. Hello. Hello,
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my name is Ryan T. Huskin. Today we're doing a review of
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Star Trek the Next Generation Season two
episode seventeen, Samaritan Snare, written by
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Robert L. McCullough, directed by
Les Landau. This was May thirteenth,
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nineteen eighty nine. Where were you? And we have a very special guest
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today. We are so fortunate to
have the writer of the episode, writer
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producer, Robert L. McCullough.
How are you, Robert? I'm good?
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How are you? I'm good,
amazing, I've I have a thing
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on my screen that says this meeting
has been recorded, which is great.
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And I'm pressing, got it the
button and man, it won't go away.
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That sounds that's a terrible start.
He got it and hopefully that will
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work. Yeah, yeah, I'm
I'm hitting it repeatedly, but it's not
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going away. Isn't that funny?
Maybe you can move it? Bizarre bizarre,
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bizarre, bizarre, let's see here. So well we're figuring that out.
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Everybody will Okay, I got it
now, I got it? All
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right, we did it. Every
okay cool. So uh, we do
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want to give a very special thanks
at the top of this episode two our
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good friends Mars DeVore and Robert Kaiser. Robert Kaiser is all the way out
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in Austria, but he never misses
an episode even though it's like two or
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three in the morning. But thank
you very much to Mars DeVore and Robert
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Kaiser for sponsoring this episode. We
hope you love it. Let's get into
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this, right, Sarrock. First
thing, let's do it, mister McCullough.
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You you wrote two episodes on the
Next Generation, or you are credited
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with writing two. One was the
Icarus Factor. You are credited as the
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guy that created the enbo Jitsu battle
and this one the Samaritan Snare. That
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will get into a little bit more
a little later. First and foremost,
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how did you get involved with Star
Trek the Next Generation? Do you remember
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what that process was and do you
remember exactly what your role was. You
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produced basically the entire second half of
the second season. Yeah, that back
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in those days, the writers were
basically everybody was a freelancer unless you got
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on a show and an agent would
send you out and you'd get certain assignments.
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And I did a lot of work
at Universal, including Battlestar Galactica.
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I did a pilot called Orion,
the Man from Galaxy five, and I
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also work on The Highlanders and things
like that, you know, sci fi
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stuff, which I never really considered
to be sci fi. To me,
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They're all just stories, doesn't matter
where they take place. And so I
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guess the fact that I was a
very fast writer and I was available.
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I got a meeting with Gene Roddenberry, which was very interesting. He took
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me in his green and black Rolls
Royce up to the Saint James Club on
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Sunset Boulevard and we had lunch,
and he had about six martinis and I
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was actually afraid to drive home with
the guy. But he was a very
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nice guy, and he and I
got along very well. He had a
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very profound belief in everything he was
doing. You know, he was an
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ex cop, so it was kind
of a I was picking his brain a
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lot about his life as a cop, because I also heard a lot of
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cop shows, so I think he
liked the fact that I was kind of
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playing up to his true biography.
Long story short, I met Maurice Hurley,
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who was I think co executive producer
at the time, and Maurice was
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a very engaging guy. Reminded me
of the old comic Stan Freberg, had
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kind of the curly hair and a
very wild personality. He and I didn't
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really job very well in terms of
our writing approach, but we had great
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time in the room together, so
he was kind of a likable guy and
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part of getting the job Ryan.
To answer your question is everybody can write.
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Let's face it, I've got a
keyboard, You've got a keyboard.
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But the question is do they want
to be in the room with you?
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Because you're going to be in the
room for a long time with everybody,
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and if you're an insufferable bore or
an arrogant putts, you're probably not going
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to get the job. What they
want is it's very much a fraternity,
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at least it was in those days. Today it's even I think it's worse
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today because of these writers' rooms with
a half a dozen people sitting around trying
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to get along and everybody trying to
get credit for something makes it a very
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competitive environment. It wasn't nearly as
competitive in those days. It was much
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more collaborative. So I met everybody. Next thing I know, I got
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the job offer, and I had
been doing a number of shows, kind
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of working my way up the chain
of command in terms of a authority and
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responsibility, and that's how I got
the producer title. In fact, they
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had a very strong line producer.
Rich Berman was around at the time.
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He was kind of a co producer. He was also tied in with Paramount
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very closely, so he was kind
of the purse strings of the show.
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And he was also very much aligned
with Rodenberry. Because Rodenberry really would just
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read outlines and go to the screenings. That was about the extent of his
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work when I was there. He
was much more hands on in prior years,
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of course, but by then we
were kind of moving into toward the
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end of his career, so he
was kind of letting everybody else do their
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thing. There were a lot of
politics involved. I won't get into that,
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but that's how I got the job. Series of interviews that all went
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well, and the fact that I
could write quickly because they were always very,
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very very far behind on scripts,
one of the reasons being that Gene
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would take forever to respond to an
idea. You would tell him something on
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a Monday, and you might hear
back two weeks later whether or not that
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idea was a go for an outline. That's sort of a thing. So
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Robert, what man asked if was
the first of all, let me just
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say that you're a good looking guy
with a great voice, so you could
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be a star actor. All right, Yeah, well let me just put
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that out there. Yeah, well, I appreciate that. But you know
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what actors like. You're an actor, you know what that life's like.
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No, thank you. People listening
in right now and not seeing the video,
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just listening, you're missing out anyway. Please continue. But but I
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wanted to ask you when you were
being schmoozed by Gene Roddenberry, what was
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the pitch that he was giving you
about the show or the kind of direction,
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his whole his whole vision, the
world of Star Trek, all of
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that. But I never told him
that I had been at Paramount years before.
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My very first job was at Paramount
as a gopher on a show you
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might have heard the name of Mission
Impossible. It was the original mission impossible
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with Ruce Geller and Peter Graves was
the Star and you know guys like that
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Martin Landau. We shared office space
with Roddenberry's writing team in the same building
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on Paramount, and I would see
the actors William Shatner come in to talk,
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talk, or I don't know,
get a drink out of the soda
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fountain or something, and they're wearing
these Star Trek uniforms. They look like
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somebody's old pajamas to me. So
I never really bought into the whole Star
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Trek thing. I thought it was
kind of a goof the fact that it
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ever went beyond the first three weeks
was amazing to me. I had not
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read the scripts, of course,
and it wasn't into the philosophy of it,
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but just from an appearance and production
standpoint, it looks so rudimentary.
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It reminded me of when I was
a child. I was five years old.
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I was on a show called Captain
Zoom and he was a guy who
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sold Bosco chocolate milk, and he
would say, everybody, drink your chocolate
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milk, and we goes zoom in
outer space. That kind of it just
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reminded me of that so I didn't
really have a lot of respect for the
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franchise, frankly, but when I
had that lunch with Gene, he really
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opened up his heart about how he
wanted the life to be better for everybody,
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and that Star Trek was really his
vision of the utopian world that we
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should all be striving for. Okay, I bought into that. Wasn't sure
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how it translated into stories. And
I read a bunch of scripts. You
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know, the first day they hire
you, hear twenty five scripts. Go
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read these And here's the show bible, which was two hundred pages thick,
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and it had architectural renderings of the
starship. I mean, more detailed than
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you can imagine. I don't know
shock if they gave you that kind of
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stuff as a cast member, but
my god, little not that much.
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There was a whole bi Yeah,
there was a whole culture into the whole
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thing. So you bought into that
if you were going to be on the
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show as a producer, obviously,
and my job was really to find good
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writers who could write quickly, efficiently
and didn't require me to do all the
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rewriting. So what was your question? I'm sorry no that you answered my
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question which was about, you know, Geene Roddenberry kind of pitching the idea
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to you and selling you on the
whole culture and the mythology behind Star Trek.
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Yeah. Yeah, it was a
philosophical lunch in some respects because he
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gave me his whole philosophy, which
I thought was terrific. You know that
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he really believed in what he was
doing, no doubt. Yeah, no,
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Robert, I have got to ask
you, sorry, I've got to
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ask you about the pack Leads here
because I don't know if you are aware
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of this, but they are.
There's a new Star Trek series called Lower
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Decks and it is animated and the
showrunners Mike McMahon, who also is doing
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Solar Opposites and who did Rick and
Morty. But the pack Lads are back
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on that show and they are basically
the big bad of that series. I
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don't know if you know anything about
this. Here's what they look like now
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on that series. So they have
been revived. They are the bad guys
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now. The question is where did
you come up with the pack Leads and
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did you have an idea of what
they would look like in your mind or
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did you just write, you know, dumb people, and when you saw
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how they came out, was it
close to what you had envisioned? It
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was? It was very close and
better than what I envisioned, because I
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didn't envision the detailed makeup that the
crew provided. I mean the makeup.
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I that was pretty terrific. And
to hear there's a new series featuring pack
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lids, I want to know where's
my check? You know, the whole
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concept of them came about. I
think I wrote that after. I think
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it was the second episode I wrote. But I had rewritten and been involved
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in half a dozen or more episodes
up to that point, and some of
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them were very let's just say they
needed work, in my opinion, in
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terms of story and character, because
if you don't believe what's going on with
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the real characters, with the people, it doesn't matter what the plot is,
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frankly. And so I was a
little bit inured by then of the
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fascination with technology that the show promulgated
to a great degree. There was so
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much stuff about technology that I just
thought was not very interesting. And I
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thought, you know, to Picard, the whole crew, they are all
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these fricking geniuses. You know,
they're flying around in galaxy whatever, and
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they've got the answer for everything.
Well I didn't buy it, you know.
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I thought everybody's got some flaws,
everybody's got some misgivings. Not everybody,
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you know, past algebra. What
if you had a bunch of people
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traveling through outer space who didn't pass
algebra? Right, So I wrote them
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as very obese, because everybody,
everybody on the starship Enterprise was perfectly fit.
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I mean, look at Riker.
These guys are all trim, nobody
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has a jelly roll. Everybody looked
really everybody looked completely buffed, which is
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appealing, certainly, but the world
doesn't look like that. So I wanted
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to So I created these guys as
being morbidly obese, I think is the
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description in the script, and dumber
than dirt. How they even want anything
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would have been a surprise to anybody. And then I'd also been been aware
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of the fact that in La at
that time there were a number of carjackings,
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people claiming to have car trouble.
You'd pull over to help them and
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they would rob you and steal your
car. That kind of a thing.
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Well, what if that happened in
outer space? So really, the pack
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leads a bunch of carjackers frankly perfect. And so I just took a real
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life problem, threw it into outer
space and made these guys appear to be
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slothful, dumb if you were,
inarticulate as can be, but beneath it
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all extraordinarily clever. And that's how
that came about. Wow, and the
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word pack lad. You know,
they're just they're the kind who they're being
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led by the pack. We're all
pack followers, were pack animals. That
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kind of wondering how you came up
with that, it's just it's just well,
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listen the whole The idea came to
me on a Monday. I had
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the script by Wednesday. It just
wrote itself, you know, it was
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very quick to write. And I
also had a I mean, my irreverence
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came through. The characters' names are
actually the names of high school friends of
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mine backwards. You know. That
was kind of my inside joke. So
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I told my friends, you know, after the show went on the air,
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and said, hey, did you
see yourself on TV? You know,
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like Reganagh was a guy's name was
Donnagher spelled backwards. His father happened
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to have been a prominent director back
in the fifties and sixties, and then
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grib Neglog was really the name Goldenburg
backwards. Uh, So it wasn't that
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imaginative, It wasn't that creative put
it that way. It was just me
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being kind of a smart ass,
frankly and kind of my inside joke.
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Nobody ever asked about it, nobody
knew any of it. This may be
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the first time I've ever revealed that. So that kind of came about that
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way. And then and then I
wanted Picard. There's a scene there as
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I recall with Wesley, where Wesley
is studying for an exam or something,
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and Picard says, you know,
have you have you read Henry James or
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something like that? And I had
my background at college had been English literature
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and things like that, so I
knew all this stuff. So my concern
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was that everybody on the Starship Enterprise
was very technically oriented, but nobody seemed
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to have a liberal arts appreciation of
anything, right, So I wanted to
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reveal a little bit of that for
Picard. And I knew that the actor,
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if you will, had that background
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I wrote that for him to just
just to reveal it kind of peel the
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onion a little bit about his really
what really motivated him in kind of an
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intellectual way, not a technical way, because, as I said in that
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scene, anybody can fly this thing, you just have to take the training
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right. But do you understand why
you're flying it? Do you understand why
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we're exploring the universe, why we're
trying to expand ourselves, you know,
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And that knowledge is really power,
not technology, and the ability to acquire
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a new knowledge is more meaningful than
what we have in our hands today.
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So that was kind of my personal
philosophical bent with that particular scene. And
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obviously, when you're writing these shows, you have to keep everybody alive.
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Everybody's got to have a scene that
means something, and frankly, Picard didn't
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have a lot of stuff to do
in that episode, so I had to
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give him something, and I wanted
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to his strength as a person as
an When I say the actor, his
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person is very intellectual. If you
had a meeting with him in person,
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a very articulate, well read guy. They never got to explore that in
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the character, at least until I
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mm hmm, Yeah, I wanted
to ask you about the medical kind of
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terminology that was being used because I
was thinking of myself, this is a
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real mumbo jumbo medical you know,
episode, pathoogenic implans, myocardio enzyme balances
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and those kinds of things. And
when you're writing that stuff, are you
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just kind of plugging in words?
Are you do you have the kind of
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like background, Well, I used
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neurosurgeon. No, all that for
a second, there, No, you
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make it up. You make it
up. It's that's fun. Because I
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had also worked on a couple of
medical shows and we always had you know,
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tech advisors, and they always had
this you know, glossary of terminology
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and do it this way. It's
the only way that kind of thing,
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and I kind of wanted to spoof
that a little bit. Again, I
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came at the whole thing from a
very irreverent point of view, which was
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the mumbo jumbo is just mumbo jumbo, you know, particularly medical terminology that
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when we're dealing with the twenty ninth
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than it is today. So I
just kind of reached for it, you
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know, just kind of went for
it. I almost used car parts as
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medical terminology. You know, you
need a new radiator, exactly exactly.
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That was my inclination, you know, yeah, for sure, for sure.
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You did also drop a few like
word nuggets there. I thought,
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I'm glad you gave us the names
of the pack leads because I was wondering
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where you got regular and all of
these names from. It was just mind
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blowing and thank you for that.
But you also threw in some other ones
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like far Space Star based air Heart. So I'm assuming that's a non to
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Amelia Earhart. Yeah exactly. He
did a bond Stell recreation facility. And
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I'm still trying to figure out if
that's a plug to something maybe your Yeah,
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that's actually I think that's that's actually
a park in North Hollywood. Right.
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Oh wait is it the one on
uh like Burbank and uh Tahunga Yeah,
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right, exactly right, it's right
there. There's now somebody put a
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console there to make it look like
it's a it's a holideck. They bring
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a Star Trek console at that part, wow, so that it looks like
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it's it's a it's a Holidack Console
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Holidack. Well that's where the name
came from. That's funny. Wow,
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So that's the Bondstell Recreation Facility.
We're we're we're on we're feeling back to
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onion right right right? That is
so amazing. Where did you start this
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at the show? Where was the
starting point for you? Was it about
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the development of Wesley and the cards
kind of connection there? Was it about
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the card surgery or was it about
the pack lads? Where was the starting
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point for the episode? It was
the headlines in the paper carjackings in La
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You know, how could you be
so how could you be so stupid to
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stop on the freeway to help some
guy with a flat tire. Well that's
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what people did in those days,
and nine times out of ten in that
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particular period of time, the guy
with the flat tire would pull out a
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gun and steal your car, you
know. So that's what really impacted me
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that there were Because we're good Samaritans, we also open ourselves up to potential
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danger, you know. Or in
this case, the pack LEDs took Jordie's
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gun himself, his own gun exactly
aimed at him. You know, here's
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something that's that I've been really wondering
about the character Sonya Gomez. She is
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an exactly two Star Trek up episodes, or at least Star Trek the Next
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Generation episodes, the episode before this
one and this one, and then that's
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it for the rest of Next Generation. But then she does come back as
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a captain in lower decks, the
animated Star Trek thing we were talking about.
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trying to make her more of a
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recurring character. You know, they
introduced her in the previous episode, they
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brought her back here, and then
we never saw her again for whatever reason.
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Do you remember if they if there
was a conversation of, oh,
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make sure to insert this new character
Sonya Gomez into the script, like was
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it important that they that you incorporate
her. I do not remember, but
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I know I was very much in
favor of Hispanic characters, because you know,
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half the world is Hispanic. I
mean, that's Spanish is the second
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most widely spoken language on the planet. And I'm married to a Mexican so
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I have who's also an actress at
that time, and so I was interested
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in that kind of you know,
progression, progressive casting and writing. Frankly,
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I didn't know that she didn't survive
the series, but kind of surprised,
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you know, you know, as
Shrock certainly knows. Cast comes and
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goes kind of at a whim.
It's almost it's very unpredictable. Unless an
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actor has a run of the series
contract. Their survivability depends a lot on
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the writers, obviously, but also
on their I go back to getting along
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with people in the room, whether
or not people like having them on the
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set, whether they get along with
the series leads, and whether they're good
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you know. So, I mean, some actress can carry dialogue and some
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can't. So the fact that that
particular character didn't didn't last. Who knows
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why? A number of factors.
It's you know, it's such a subjective
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business. I mean, I've seen
really good actors, I mean Academy Award
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winning actors not make it in television
just because they can't show up that early,
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you know, because the hours are
killers and they don't want to deal
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with it, or they bring an
attitude based upon their past career to the
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current role, and that can be
very detrimental and disruptive to the rest of
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the cast and the producers. So
again, it's all all very subjective,
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a bunch of regions. Yeah,
but you actually, you know, are
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one of the few people that wrote
episodes for Diana Mulgart's you know, only
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on this second season if I'm not
mistaken, right, another cast member that
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we see kind of have a run
at the end of this particular and I
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thought you did a good job writing
for her as well, because I did
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like that the kind of trick you
pulled on us at the end where she
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is the specialist that is being brought
in to help with the picard, you
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know, surgery, kind of bringing
her back around. She's like, I
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could do the surgery here. He
opts against that, and it turns out
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they need her anyways and they end
up bringing her. Sure, sure,
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sure, I thought that was clever
as well as far as writing, because
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I was not expecting that there were
a lot of really good actors on the
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show when I was there. I
mean, Jonathan Frakes was just the nicest
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guy. I'm sure you've heard that
a thousand times, but really just a
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decent guy, happy to have the
job at the time, and worked hard.
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You know, he really cared and
he didn't as a co lead.
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He didn't he didn't act. He
acted like a supporting actor, like he
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was just happy to be there and
oh my god, there's free lunch.
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You know, she was. He
was that kind of a guy, you
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know, where whereas some of the
other cast members maybe not so much any
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less, Well, you'll be happy
to know that Jonathan Freaks continues to work
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in Star Trek to this day.
He had appearances as Riker in different series,
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including newer ones, and he is
directing. He has a hand in
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directing all of the new Star Trek
series. He is constantly working still and
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everybody loves him. That's cool.
Well. He also after Next Generation he
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went out and had a directing career
for quite some time and he's done a
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lot of different things. Talent and
hard working guy, for sure. He
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deserves all the success he's getting for
sure, right to hear? Yeah,
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Yeah, that whole cast is really
good. And I actually sometimes there's moments
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there where I see Will Wheaton and
I'm like, wow, I see what's
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so great about him? And there's
moments just where he gives you great patent
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expressions. He seems really honest and
genuine in his emotional kind of Yeah,
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he was, and he was very
young. I mean, he was just
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a kid when he was doing that. And I don't think he's really he's
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not very active in the business any
longer. I know he did a is
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I think he did a whole bunch
of podcasts or something talking about his career,
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which wasn't all fun and games at
his age, you know. And
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I also want to compliment you,
Robert, because a lot of the Piccard
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backstory has had him and I've mentioned
this before, but it has had a
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lot of a kind of an elite
upbringing type of perspective. And what you
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did in this particular episode is give
an example of a story of his kind
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of hot headedness, immaturity, a
young Picard, you know, getting into
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the fights with Nassikins at the bar, and I thought that, I thought
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that softens him up and makes him
more relatable as opposed to exactly if your
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if your protagonist does not have flaws, you just have a cardboard cutout,
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because everybody has flaws. I mean, let's just look at I don't know,
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in Braveheart, Mel Gibson's character,
he his flaw was he didn't know
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when to back off, and he
wasn't smart, he was brave, right,
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huge flaw wound up killing him.
So every protagonist needs to have a
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little bit of something off. You
know. If you look at Gosh top
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Gun Maverick, you know, seriously
flawed character he had and he had to
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overcome his flaws to succeed. And
I think that's that's key. That's something
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and I just want to mention this
while I have some audience. That's something
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that we really deal with a lot
at the Santa Barbara International Screenplay Awards,
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which was founded by my wife and
I do a lot of consulting on that.
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It's an online script competition and we
basically help writers bring their material up
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at the truly professional level. And
one of the problems we see writers dealing
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with is the perfect hero you know, and perfect heroes frankly or boring.
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You know, nobody's perfect, and
if your heroes are perfect, it's not
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a very good script. So that's
something we try to do with the Santa
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Barbara International Screenplay Awards is help people
understand that writing is it's a textured process.
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You know. The worst thing I
can imagine as an actor, shruck
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would be if you know, you're
just this ideal character and you have to
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portray this monolith of purity. You
know, it's just terribly boring, you
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know. Yeah, I talk about
breaking bad. I use that as an
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example. Yeah, the main character, somebody that you're kind of rooting for
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but doing bad things at the same
time, has issues of morality that he's
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struggling to kind of go through gray
areas of right and wrong, and you
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have sympathy for him right away.
Forget the fact that he has terminal cancer,
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but the fact that he makes such
poor decisions. It's so impulsive,
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you know. I mean, you
got to feel for a guy who get
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a freaking clue man, you know. So that's kind of an important part
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of writing, I think, is
understanding human frailty, you know. Now,
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there was also a sadness to Picard's
tone that you gave us in this
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episode two. Sorry to totally job
Ryan, but the sadness was almost about
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him not being able to get married
and find love and kind of the commitment
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that he makes to his career as
opposed to trying to have any distractions.
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You mentioned that you also highlight that
in this episode another longstanding kind of character
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defining principle behind Picard. Well,
that's true of all of us. You
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know, back in the when the
women's movement first started, it was,
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oh, you can have it all. You can have a family and a
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career and a loving relationship. Well
that's false. Nobody gets to have it
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all, and those who try fail
at almost everything they're trying, you know,
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And you look at that, particularly
in the world of celebrity in Hollywood.
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There's a reason movie stars are movie
stars now. The reason is they
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have given up everything else to become
a movie star and sustain that status.
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You know, you don't see happy
fathers with three children and he's a boy
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Scout leader and he's a mega movie
star, right. I mean, how
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many marriages as Tom Cruise had?
How many marriages has Leo had none?
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Because he can't sustain a relationship because
he's a movie star. So, and
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I think it's true of almost anybody
in life. If you want to be
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a neurosurgeon, you're going to have
to give something up. You know,
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you're gonna have to give up poker
night with the boys because you can't stay
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up past nine o'clock at night,
because you have to be on your game
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at six thirty am every single day. No, exactly exactly, so Picard.
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So Picard to become the Captain of
the Enterprise. There's no way he
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could have had a family and all
these other pup be at home and things
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like that, because he's too busy
doing what he does, you know,
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which, which is really one of
the characteristics of a hero, somebody who's
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willing to there's some self sacrifice to
achieve great things. Yeah, it's the
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Superman as the Batman. They're not
in like a family household with kids running
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around. They have to kind of
give up that in order to be Superman
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or Batman. Here's an example somebody
that we all respect and Revere Man gave
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up a real personal life and ultimately
his own life. Martin Luther King achieved
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things beyond human expectation and look what
he gave up everything to do that.
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Right, So that's it's true of
all again, heroic characters. They're not
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easy to write because you have to
do this to them and still get us
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to believe in their mission, you
know. And so I think think that's
408
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:05.640
what helped Cards succeed for so long
as a character. You know, absolutely
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well, Robert, I know you've
got to go. We've got less than
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a minute with you, but on
your way out, I do want to
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make sure that we point out what
you were talking about the Santa Barbara.
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It is Santa Barbara Screenplay Awards dot
com Andanta Barbara Screenplay Awards dot Com.
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00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:27.160
Everybody go check that out. It
looks amazing. It said something like paradise
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for screenwriters or something like that,
which everybody could use a little paradise.
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00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:34.160
I do also want to point out
very quickly, so you created the pack
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lads, they live on. That
legacy lives on. The other thing was
417
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.880
the Nausken story with Picard that lives
on. They revisited that in a later
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00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:45.319
episode called Tapestry, which is one
of my favorite episodes ever. I even
419
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have the Captain Picard from that episode. But that story, that that little
420
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.480
story snippet you created lives on in
a very famous episode is the crux of
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the entire episode. But Robert,
thank you so much for joining us and
422
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:05.039
for taking the time today. We
really appreciate it. We could listen to
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00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.960
you talk way longer, but I
know you gotta go, so thank you
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very much for joining us. Hey, guys, A lot of fun A
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00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:20.039
pleasure. May the Force be with
you. Wait wait, okay, all
426
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:22.519
right, all right, take care. Well, hang on one second,
427
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:28.200
everybody stick around. We will be
right back on the seventh rule. Hey,
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everybody, welcome back to the seventh
Rule of sarrock Lofton. Hello.
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00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:37.519
Hello, here are those trivioids of
the week that you've been begging for,
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00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.240
and they are as follows. The
Enterprise is en root to the Epsilon nine
431
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:46.960
sector and some crusher is diverted to
Starbase five to one five for Starfleet Exams
432
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:53.000
data found the Academy examinations quite elementary. Commander Riker is being all nosy.
433
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:58.519
The Enterprise receives a may day from
the rhomboid drone of gar sectors. There
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00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:02.160
is there a six. Captain Picard
needs another cardiac replacement. The cardiac replacement
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00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:07.240
procedure as a mortality rate of two
point four percent. Captain Picard was at
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00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:10.840
the top of his class. Captain
Picard remembers his time at the bone Stell
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00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:20.320
Recreation Facility and possibly made some passing
reference to Annoskin's questionable percentage sorry parentage,
438
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.880
too many percentages in there. The
pack lads are smart and twenty four is
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00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:30.199
the gateway to heroic salvation. All
right, So I did some quick checking
440
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:37.480
on Lysia Naff to find out why
she was not in the any more episodes,
441
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:43.519
and I couldn't find the answer.
All we know is that either she
442
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.440
left or she was let go.
It sounds like she was let go and
443
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:52.880
that she regrets it, or that
you know, she was quoted as saying
444
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:58.719
she was quote super bummed to be
let go. That's all we know.
445
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.000
Don't know why, So so everybody
please let us know in the comments section
446
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:07.800
below, let us know what's the
reason. Did you hear something you know
447
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.039
you don't really need to guess,
Just if you have any you know,
448
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:16.000
links or websites or quote quotes directly
from her as to why that character was
449
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.119
introduced, was put in two episodes
in a row, and then disappeared,
450
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:23.199
let us know, please. But
anyway, the thing I could think of
451
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:28.400
is that maybe the eighties called and
they wanted their hairback. That's right.
452
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:32.039
The eighties were almost over. They're
like, we can't, we can't proceed
453
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:37.840
with this here. So Siak,
I've been waiting for you to see this
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00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.880
episode. I've been waiting with baited
breath for you to see this episode because
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00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.320
we've been introduced to the pack lads
already on lower decks. This is where
456
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.679
they first came in. And I
wish I could have seen your reaction when
457
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.679
they're like, here are the pack
lads and He's like, dumb as hell?
458
00:35:52.920 --> 00:36:00.000
What did you think? Uh?
They were funny. I thought they
459
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:06.039
were funny and they were interesting to
watch. Actually, having already had seen
460
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.039
the pack lids in the animated version, this was this was you know,
461
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:15.440
a special treat to actually see where
they came from and where they started from.
462
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:20.920
You know what made me? What
if? After watching it? I
463
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:25.159
thought, well, that means Riker
is not even smarter than the pack because
464
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:31.000
he got out smarter by them.
And Wharf in the beginning was like literally
465
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.679
saying, seriously, guys, do
we need to send our best guy over
466
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.360
there? Why don't we just you
know, do it? Send the instructions
467
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:43.320
over like Wharf was already his antennas
were up, and I thought, right,
468
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:46.760
listen to Wharf. He sounds like
he's making sense right now. They
469
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:52.119
finally did Wharf right. Usually he's
the guy that says, Captain recommend we
470
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:54.400
shoot phasers narrow. No, shut
up, mister Wolf. Right, they're
471
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:59.679
always like he's always getting shut down. He's but this time he did the
472
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:04.079
reverer. This time he said,
let's exercise caution. I don't trust them.
473
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.519
We hardly know anything about and Riker
was the was the wharf of them.
474
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.599
He's like, no, not just
throw them out? Who cares?
475
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:13.760
Those guys are idiots? What are
you talking about? Hey, they just
476
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:15.920
chew. They can't even chew bubble
gum and walk at the same time.
477
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:20.519
And he was making like little slights
and jokes about them, you know,
478
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:27.360
and Wharf was completely right to exercise
caution there. So I love the way
479
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:31.880
Robert wrote him in this episode.
I do too. I also like the
480
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:36.119
way he wrote the pack legs.
You know, we look for things.
481
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:42.239
We are smart. At one point
they said we need the things we need.
482
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:52.119
Yeah, definitely hilarious. I like
the graphics of the pack Lads ship
483
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:54.360
too. I don't know if that
was redone. I'm sure we can be
484
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:58.239
able to ask Matt Borbman later if
that was part of the reading, because
485
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:05.440
I thought it was really cool there. The interior of the ship was a
486
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:08.320
little bit lackluster for me. It
kind of didn't give me any I couldn't
487
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:13.920
really see any vibes there that I
thought were like really great set design for
488
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:19.800
an interior of the Boson ship.
It was not that detailed as far as
489
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:22.199
what I saw standing out of the
background. They looked kind of vague,
490
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:30.480
let's say. So, I wasn't
really impressed with this the ship design of
491
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:35.039
the interior of the back then ship. But the exterior I thought was cool.
492
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.719
Yeah, gorgeous. Exterior looks kind
of junkie, but it's like super
493
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:45.199
detailed, Like they've got big old
screws on things and deflector you know.
494
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:49.719
That's why they're saying they've got like
this eclectic mix of tech because they don't
495
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.920
create their own technology. They steal
it, so they kind of just patch
496
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:57.639
it on bit by bit. And
that's why in lower decks their ship is
497
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.639
so big, but it's it's got
pieces of other ships on it, so
498
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:05.960
they just keep building and building.
Pretty soon they're just gonna have this gigantic
499
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:14.920
ship full of just crap. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, what
500
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:19.199
a clever idea. Robert gave us
that insight about you know, pack LEDs
501
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:27.280
coming. The idea steming from the
I guess the rise of carjacking in California,
502
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.599
which became a big thing in that
time period, right, that was
503
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:37.079
kind of a new thing to get
carjacked. People were falling victim to that.
504
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.760
So I thought that was a cool, like, you know, way
505
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:45.519
to integrate us a current headline story
and put it into context of Star Trek,
506
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.400
something we've seen the Riders do before. I think it was Melinda Snidgrass,
507
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:57.079
I'm not mistaken or no, it
wasn't her. It was what was
508
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.159
her name? She She was the
attorney that wrote the epith. So that
509
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:07.559
was basically based on the constitutional kind
of you're right, okay, So so
510
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:14.679
yeah, just taking your own you
know, life experiences and in this case,
511
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:19.360
headlines that were going on in the
current events and transforming it into a
512
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.079
sci fi script. That's part of
the you know, clever creation that I
513
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:27.599
really love about what the writers are
able to do. The only thing I
514
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:32.199
would say is I I missed a
few things. I kind of missed O'Brien
515
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:37.679
in this episode. I wanted to
see O'Brien as the transporter chief, right,
516
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:45.440
because this this required some kind of
transporter chief being present in order to
517
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:49.159
get Jordi back, in order to
send him out there. I thought it
518
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.440
would have been a great opportunity for
it. O'Brien totally agree. In fact,
519
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:58.480
there was a moment when it's like
my thought was, Okay, if
520
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:02.599
there's no O'Brien in this episode,
we should have Sonya Gomez be the transporter
521
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:06.559
chief then, so that way we
see a little bit more usefulness in there.
522
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.239
And if we're not going to have
you know, O'Brien as the transport
523
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:14.280
chief, I want somebody else that's
interesting, somebody, you know, an
524
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.199
actual character, not just you know, the extra of the week. And
525
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.000
all they showed, if I'm not
mistaken, is the back of the transporter
526
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.719
person, and it actually looked like
it may have been Sonya Gomez, like
527
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:30.559
it had somebody with that hair and
with the gold uniform. So I don't
528
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:35.639
know if maybe that was actually Sonya
Gomez or just somebody that looked like her.
529
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:37.400
I don't remember if we saw her
face. I just remember seeing no,
530
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:42.079
there was no face. There was
no lighting actually to distinguish that person.
531
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.360
They actually purposely kept them in the
shadow. Yeah, And I thought
532
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.760
it would have been really cool if
if it was Sonya Gomez, just given
533
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:52.480
us something because then otherwise maybe they
just didn't have O'Brien because they there wasn't
534
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:54.280
a line for him, and so
they're just like, we can't bring him
535
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.440
on to be an extra, but
we could do that to the new girl,
536
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.800
or we can do that to you
know, extra number or seven or
537
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:04.559
something like that. But yeah,
I thought the same thing when O'Brien wasn't
538
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:07.920
there, because we've been treated to
so many cool O'Brien moments and now we're
539
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:12.760
starting to like expect it. We're
getting spoiled here. I'm getting spoiled,
540
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.519
and I'm thinking, like any kind
of transporter kind of operation goes under his
541
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:21.480
authority. So that was one thing
I kind of was missing, and I
542
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:29.079
was a little sad to not see
O'Brien. But you know, one of
543
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:35.079
the big things for this was,
you know, the cards ego, you
544
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:38.199
know, and a lot of the
thing is that he didn't want other people
545
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:43.880
to know any kind of chink in
his armor. I guess he didn't want
546
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:47.320
the other crewman needs to know that. That's why he was kind of keeping
547
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:52.360
this thing secret and trying to be
quiet about it and doing the surgery procedure
548
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:59.079
off off this ship and whatnot.
But you know, I think there could
549
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:07.719
have been more of a lesson to
address that, to address his his ego
550
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:15.000
and his you know, the bravado, or him wanting to maintain in a
551
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:20.559
certain level of mysticism amongst the crew
or something that level. I think they
552
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:25.639
could have addressed that further instead of
it making it about other things that him
553
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.880
mentoring Will. I thought there could
have been an opportunity for Will to do
554
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:37.480
a little bit of mentoring for the
captain, like you know, like you
555
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:43.079
know, we don't. We're not
judging you based off of your heart condition,
556
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.920
and we we honor respect to you
because of your courage or your leadership
557
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:52.239
or these other things, not because
we think that you're infallible or because you're
558
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.719
just this terminator of a man.
I think that I think they could have
559
00:43:55.800 --> 00:44:00.840
had a discussion there that could have
opened the cards mind up a little bit
560
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:10.559
too realize that his crew is family
more so than keeping it away from your
561
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:16.000
family and sharing it with your family. Yeah. And but you know,
562
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:20.119
for me, I can I can
understand, Like I think it's it's a
563
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:24.000
two pronged thing. One is,
we know Picard is stiff and has an
564
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:28.440
ego and all, you know,
he's snooty and all that stuff. But
565
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:30.519
and then but then the other side
of that is, I can also understand
566
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:36.239
where, you know, captains are
not supposed to fraternize with the rest of
567
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:39.639
the crew, So if he takes
that a step further, he's thinking,
568
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:45.239
I don't want to seem vulnerable.
I don't want any you know, personal
569
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:51.079
relationships or any friendships. You know. I want to stay separate and above,
570
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.480
you know, So I can I
can understand that it's certainly, I
571
00:44:55.480 --> 00:45:00.039
think is the way to go,
unless like in this case, you're kind
572
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:06.440
of complicating things unnecessarily rather than having
it done right here and now you're making
573
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.880
them go off course, or you
know, he's going off course to do
574
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:14.039
this thing, then maybe he's not
there to make the correct judgment call against
575
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.360
the pack list. What if Jordi
died, then he would have forever thought,
576
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:20.599
Shoot, if I had had the
procedure done on the ship, I
577
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.719
would have been there when that happened, most likely, unless I would have
578
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:25.760
happened to have been under when we
met up with them, you know.
579
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:31.119
So I think it's the right way
to go, but it's certainly a judgment
580
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:35.639
call whether it was the right way
to go this time. This time,
581
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:38.440
it feels like maybe there's the exception
where he should have just been like,
582
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:40.719
all right, I'll just do it, but just don't tell anybody, damn
583
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:45.679
it, you know, keep it
between us, you know, Right,
584
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:51.920
it could have been one of those
situations, or even having the secret slowly
585
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.519
spreading, right, So like let's
say Laski agrees to do the surgery,
586
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:59.639
but in private, it's just but
don't tell anybody. You're just me and
587
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.559
you at oh twelve hundred hours or
some shit, you know. And then
588
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:07.239
maybe there's a distress call and somebody
walks in on the surgery and says,
589
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:12.239
doctor, there's a the pack lidser, and they see that it's the surgery,
590
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.760
and then that spreads out and there's
a kind of a telephone game of
591
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:20.480
everybody finding out what happened. That
could have been another way, but needless
592
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.079
to say, they took advantage of
kind of some of the things. They
593
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:29.599
put the guy who hates kids in
a room with the guy with the kid,
594
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:35.760
right, and he eventually warms up. Yeah, they they get together
595
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.280
over some sandwiches, and for a
second I thought Picard said do you want
596
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:42.920
a sandwich? I was like,
did Piccard say sandwich before? He wouldn't
597
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:45.199
do that. He wouldn't do that. But but I thought it was funny
598
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.800
that he offered him coffee. And
I'm like, there's no kids out there
599
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:53.960
that like coffee. Would you like
a coffee? Like coffee? No,
600
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:57.960
I'm a kid. I don't like
coffee. So that was funny to me.
601
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.360
But and then doctor Pulaski was like, more like a turn your head
602
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:07.039
and coffee. Hey, am I
right? No, no, no.
603
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:12.000
And I also thought it was weird
when at the end when Wesley says,
604
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:16.679
Captain, I want to say I
had a good time, and Picard looks
605
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:21.840
at him and he's like, showed
the dog, but he does. There
606
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:25.320
was no it was no smile in
it, and there was nothing like a
607
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:30.079
twinkle in his eye or a little
wink wink. It was like he was
608
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:36.280
reluctantly hating to say it too.
It was like, yeah, he did
609
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.840
seem to underplay a couple of things. This is one of those rare occasions
610
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:46.199
where I feel like Patrick Stewart could
have played up a couple things, like
611
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:53.280
there are a line or two in
the shuttle craft when Picard says something like
612
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:58.320
you know, well you just pilot
the ship or something like that. But
613
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:01.880
he said it in such a nice
way that it didn't what didn't really kind
614
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:06.679
of fit the line. And then
afterwards he like apologizes or you know,
615
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:09.719
or I don't remember exactly what happened, but he says, I'm sorry for
616
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:13.639
snapping into you, or there's some
kind of pullback, and I'm like,
617
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.400
but the way you said it doesn't
really warrant that next line. You got
618
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:22.599
to see that next line tells you
that you said this line too harshley.
619
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.480
You should have said, you know, will you pilot the ship? Sorry,
620
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:29.880
that kind of thing, but saying
will you pilot the ship? Sorry,
621
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.639
I'm exaggerating, but it was a
little bit underplayed, just like the
622
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.760
line that you mentioned was the other
one that was a little bit underplayed,
623
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:42.440
where he could have just said,
as did I with even just the smallest
624
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.960
smile or the smallest twinkle in his
eye. I'm never going to tell Patrick
625
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:50.159
Stewart how to play Captain Picard.
But I feel like there were a couple
626
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:58.800
of lines that I was I wanted
a little bit more from them. Yeah,
627
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:00.920
I felt like there was just a
little under delivery on it. I
628
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:07.000
mean, just a little bit too
cold or something that I felt, even
629
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.320
though when he says you need to
open your mind to the past, you
630
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:12.400
know, And he's got the book
in front of him. Like, first
631
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.960
of all, if two buddies,
if we and a buddy go out and
632
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.519
we have a road trip or something, and I see you break out the
633
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:25.519
book on me, that's the better
be a hidden bag of chips in that
634
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:31.480
book. Yeah, there better be
something in that book that we're both going
635
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:36.880
to enjoy. Because this whole bringing
a book out, it's like it's like
636
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:39.199
you do that on the plane when
you you know you you don't want to
637
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:43.199
talk to the person sitting next to
you on the plane, you know,
638
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:47.079
like I'm on the book, you
see me, leave me alone. It
639
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:53.400
is the it is like a very
it's it's the best way to not invite
640
00:49:53.400 --> 00:50:00.079
a conversation with somebody, is right
totally now, it's it's also cell phones.
641
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:05.119
Back in the day, it was
like a newspaper. Newspapers like shields
642
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:07.639
up, dude, It's not like
a book or a phone is like it's
643
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:12.079
like you, I'm busy, but
a newspaper is like, you don't even
644
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.960
know what I look like. I
am. I have a great wall of
645
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:22.079
china surrounding me and you. That
was the best newspapers must have been just
646
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:27.199
you take that with you, you
bring that sports section with you, and
647
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.159
you are all set for the day, just hiding that you could be sleep
648
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:37.599
back there and nobody knows. Yeah, I want to say also that I
649
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:42.719
thought it was really cool when they
had first off. First off, the
650
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:47.000
set design that I did like was
the the operating room that they were that
651
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:51.320
they had to card in. I
thought that was a nice little set design.
652
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.599
A little it looked a little old
school, almost like from the original
653
00:50:54.639 --> 00:51:00.760
series in some ways, with the
way the laser things were kind of being
654
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:06.079
guided, I thought, this doesn't
look that much more high tech than the
655
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:09.679
original series story And did you notice
did you notice that they were all wearing
656
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:15.559
those red outfits just like Deep Space
nine does later. I love that consistency
657
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:20.719
that I did like as well.
But there was also you know, we
658
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:25.440
mentioned ethnicities of Sonya Gomez, you
know, representing the Latinas out there,
659
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.079
and you know, only in this
two episode cameo, but certainly somebody's whose
660
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:35.880
presence was felt and noticed. Then
I also felt the presence of the Asian
661
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:40.719
doctor that they brought in to assist
in the surgery of the very brief cameo,
662
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:46.800
but it is a level of diversity
that I like to acknowledge what I
663
00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:53.519
see it. Yeah, the actor's
name is see mop playing the biomolecular physiologist.
664
00:51:54.519 --> 00:52:00.519
Yes, yes, I like to
see him, and it just made
665
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:06.679
it makes it the diversity authentic to
me. And then I saw, like
666
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:12.000
I said to Robert, I was
really pleasantly surprised that doctor Pulaski was the
667
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:17.320
specialist that that doctor was thinking about
recommending for the situation. So it all
668
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:23.119
came in full circle and I enjoyed
those kinds of those beats. You know,
669
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:29.159
there are a couple moments that actually
made me laugh out loud. One
670
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:31.920
was when Jordy was like, ah, now we're armed to the teeth and
671
00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:38.960
the packlet goes. Teeth are for
chewing. That slayed me. That was
672
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:46.000
a brilliant line, beautifully delivered.
The other one that slayed me was when
673
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:52.199
Picard returns at the very end,
he returns to the bridge and everybody's clapping
674
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.400
for his return and he goes,
I beg your pardon. Yeah, that
675
00:52:55.519 --> 00:53:01.239
is such a pecard thing to do, so shooty, oh my god,
676
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:05.519
that was that was too good.
There's a lot of hahas on that line
677
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:09.000
for me, I beg your pardon
beautifully right, that one I liked.
678
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:14.760
I wrote that as well, and
then that's when they're like that captain's back.
679
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:27.719
Mm hm. There was a maked
So cameo in this episode when wes
680
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.920
Lee says to him, Hey,
how come you know you don't get married
681
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:36.239
or something? And he says,
you know something about wishing for a family
682
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:38.960
or something, and he says,
wishing for a thing does not make it
683
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:44.599
so oh sneaking that in You're right, yeah, he's not to make it
684
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:49.880
so in there, uh one of
his steam lines. There was another thing
685
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.679
I wanted to point out, and
it's similar to how you said the pack
686
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:57.800
led exterior, pack lead, ship
exterior beautiful. These are all the things
687
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:01.280
redone and remastered that they really stand
out, Like you forget you're watching something
688
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:07.440
remastered until you see some of these
exterior shots or ships or something and you
689
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:09.920
go, whoa, that looks way
too good for nineteen eighty nine. Well,
690
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:13.800
and then you go, oh,
that's because they clean it up.
691
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:15.599
So they do a beautiful job of
cleaning it up. And when it really
692
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:20.119
jumped out of me surprisingly again,
this is like the second or third time
693
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:23.599
this happened was just the shot of
the shuttle craft that Wes and Picard were
694
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:29.960
in. It's very plain, it's
very simple, but it looks beautiful.
695
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:31.480
Like I'm looking at this thing and
I'm like, that is another time.
696
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:34.920
You know, we saw it in
the shuttle bay a couple episodes ago,
697
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.920
and it just looked gorgeous. It
was smooth, it was clean. The
698
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:44.880
coloring on it was vibrant, you
know, kind of like a pale white,
699
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:46.760
not fully white, you know,
and the red is beautiful. I
700
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:52.360
don't know. I just thought that
they've done a great job on the shuttle
701
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.159
craft, on something that's supposed to
be basically the plainest thing, looks beautiful.
702
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.800
I agree with that. I also
like the way the lighting looks on
703
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:07.639
the engines when they're just kind of
propelling through space. It looks clean and
704
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:12.519
actually very realistic. The only thing
I will say though, and you know,
705
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:19.519
I do think the script was was
good and the story was you know,
706
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:23.320
there was enough story there. The
problem is I feel like the camera
707
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:30.519
was just stuck. And that's one
of the things that bothered me about watching
708
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:35.239
this. It was just too cookie
cutter, like close up close ups,
709
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:38.960
close ups. There was no movement
of the camera, and when you don't
710
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:45.280
have the camera moving, then the
story doesn't move. The story and the
711
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:49.199
camera both have to move. And
I felt there was just a lot of
712
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:52.119
just cutaway shots close up here,
close up there, captain here, captain
713
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:57.719
there, and then it just becomes
choppy. When I'm watching it, it's
714
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:00.440
always just chop chop, chop chop, you know, cut cut, cut,
715
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:04.320
cut, local pair. Look at
this guy when the camera's moving,
716
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:08.079
and it's like constantly flowing, and
you see, you know, one guy
717
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:12.320
talks and then it moves, pens
over here and they say, well over
718
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:15.159
here, and then you got this
and the camera's moving. The flow of
719
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:22.519
the episode moves, and you can, you know, ride the wave of
720
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:28.400
the story a lot better in this
particular case, with the straight you know,
721
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:31.920
close up here, two shot here, one shot hair, wide shot
722
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:37.239
hair, and it is just constantly
cutting like that. I was left feeling
723
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:42.199
myself saying, this story has to
move along faster, and it wasn't,
724
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.079
you know. It made it feel
longer than it had to, and not
725
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:49.599
because of the lack of storyline for
safe up, but because of the lack
726
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:52.800
of the camera movement. No,
that's really interesting. I didn't catch that.
727
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.760
You've got a good eye for that, And I'm thinking the world deserves
728
00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:01.039
one of these days for Siroc Frickin'
loft and to direct some Star Trek.
729
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:05.639
One of the I've got to see
is when you're talking about it, you're
730
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:07.800
not talking about it from a viewer, You're talking about it from the guy
731
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:10.039
behind the camera. You're going like
this, and you're doing that, and
732
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:14.039
I'm picturing you. I'm like,
this guy's got some directing and there's no
733
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:17.639
way you don't. Just like your
space Dad, Avery Brooks. But hey,
734
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:22.199
everybody, it's time to get serious. It's time for the home run
735
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.039
of the day, the seventh Rule, home run of the Day, home
736
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:31.320
run of the episode. Everybody so
Rock lofton who gets the home run of
737
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:42.239
the episode today? I'm going to
give it to Robert McCullough. I'm going
738
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:46.079
to give it to him. He
wrote down. He wrote a character that
739
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:52.679
an alien race of people that we're
gonna end up seeing decades later, and
740
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:58.119
we essentially live on in Star Trek
infamy, and I think that's something good.
741
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:05.840
I also think that he gave this
backstory on the card that makes him
742
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.760
more relatable. The whole you know, bar fight Nosken story is something that
743
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:16.119
makes him feel more human to me
and something that I think Wesley was also
744
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:20.119
entertained by it, you know,
like, oh, cool, Captain's got
745
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.280
a cool story for ones that of
just trying to tell me what book I
746
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:27.559
need to read? Have you read
that book? Wesley? You see me
747
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:30.800
reading broke let Me alone? You're
right here, you know if I'm reading
748
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:38.880
your damn book. Huh passive aggressive
money. Uh, you know, I
749
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:44.840
completely agree with you. Robert McCullough, Robert L. McCullough gets the home
750
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:49.559
run of the episode for me as
well for his writing of the pack LEDs
751
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.199
and for it here here's the thing
for me. I should have said this
752
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.280
earlier, but this is one of
the first episodes I remember seeing, or
753
00:58:55.280 --> 00:59:00.760
at least when I look back at
my days of watching The Next Generation a
754
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:06.039
way long time ago, this is
one of the most memorable episodes because it
755
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:10.360
made me think it wasn't the standard
you know, procedure, It wasn't the
756
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:15.000
standard formula. It was like,
here's these dumb guys. Whoa we just
757
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:20.039
got tricked by these dumb guys because
we underestimated them, you know, And
758
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.719
it just it was one of those
few five or six or seven episodes that
759
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:29.079
really gave me like a little lesson
or stayed in my brain and I remembered
760
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:34.719
that different angle. Most every TV
show in the world, they all have
761
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.599
that same kind of formula, that
same kind of thing. We recognize the
762
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:39.440
pattern, we get it. This
was one of the few that had a
763
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:44.519
twist that I did not expect.
It was a new story being told that
764
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:47.599
I had never seen or heard before. So definitely Robert McCulloch gets that home
765
00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:51.519
run of the day for me.
Secondarily, the pack leads in general,
766
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:57.440
the actors that portrayed them, the
makeup effects people that made them look great,
767
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:02.639
but the actors acting dumb, beautifully
and funny and weird, and we
768
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:07.519
could totally get it like they fitted. I'm sure they took what was written
769
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:12.239
on the page and they elevated it. At least they certainly did for me.
770
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:17.480
So big ups on those now.
Also big ups to the following people.
771
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:22.719
Special thanks too, Homer Frazell,
Doctor Ann Marie Siegal, Eve England
772
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:27.599
out in Wales, Yvette Blackman,
Tom TJ. Jackson Bay out in Missouri,
773
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:35.000
Bill Victor Ruken Auger our good pal
Titus Mohler, Darlena Marie, doctor
774
01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:40.840
Mohammed Nor Tierney C. Deekman on
a post anil O Palatte, Joe Balcearati,
775
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:46.679
Mike Goo, d Q, Doctor
Stephanie Baker, Carrie Schwent, Faith
776
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:52.000
Howel, Edward Foltz, My Life
from Tokyo, Matt Boardman, the Matt
777
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:57.559
Boardman that is, Chris McGee,
Justin Weir, are good Buddy, Jake
778
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:02.400
Barrett, Jane Jorgenson, Henry Younger, Alison leech Hide, Julie Mannisfe,
779
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:08.760
Marcia Classic Shreier, Greg ka Wickstrom, and of course doctor Susan V.
780
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:14.079
Grooner and the outrageous Jason Oakin.
I want to know if he's going to
781
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:16.119
say the same directorial stuff as you
did. I have a feeling he might.
782
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:22.159
Everybody stick around for that free for
all and you will find out shortly
783
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:28.280
on the Seventh Rule. Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Seventh Rule
784
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:34.679
with Sarroc Lufton and the Free for
All bunch led by Malissa A Longo.
785
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:44.239
Hi, there we've got mister Chris
McGhee, aneil Oh Pialatte floating out in
786
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:49.960
space. Hey got Jason Oakin with
the cool poster behind him looks like Jordi
787
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:55.360
the poster does. Uh. We've
got doctor Susan V. Grooner on the
788
01:01:55.360 --> 01:02:00.880
bridge of the Enterprise d. We've
got My Life I have in Tokyo with
789
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:06.039
a heart and a peace symbol behind
her. Jed Thompson's going to his very
790
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:12.760
first convention soon. We've got Greg
Kenzo showing off some pack leads and Jordie
791
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:20.800
behind him. And Carrie went with
a cool Seventh Rule shirt that you can
792
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:24.199
get at our t Spring store and
you can click that link in the description
793
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:29.639
box below. Just click on that
Spring Store link and get yourself your very
794
01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:34.360
own Seventh Rule shirt or mug.
All right, let's get into this.
795
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:52.880
Jake Cisco guesses the IMDb score.
I'm gonna give it a I'm gonna just
796
01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:58.159
go seven seven straight, seven point
zero. I was gonna say six y
797
01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:02.599
nine, but giving it a little
boost for pack pack lid boost. Alright,
798
01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:08.480
Uh, what about anybody else that
doesn't know already? Do you have
799
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:22.400
any guesses through six point seven point
four five? Jason did? I said
800
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:27.199
six point yeah, both of you
did. Uh. Eve made her guess.
801
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:32.920
She uh, she mailed it in
today. Her IMDb prediction is a
802
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:42.840
six yuye, sir, I know
that's cold Jay, that's Kevin, you
803
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:49.079
Banks shout out to him. Uh. The correct answer is six point five,
804
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:52.400
which, Yeah, I'm kind of
surprised by this. I really actually
805
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:55.800
enjoyed this episode quite a bit.
Maybe it's just because I thought the pack
806
01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:00.079
Lids were such a fun alien race
and such a good character. But I'm
807
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:04.719
wrong, apparently according to the Bunch. So Melissa Longo, start us off,
808
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:08.639
get us on the right track.
What'd you think of this episode?
809
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:16.360
Well, for me, it was
mixed back because it felt like the A
810
01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:23.400
story and the B story could have
been episodes on their own. They kind
811
01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:27.119
of felt like they were forced together
and they didn't really fit. In my
812
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:31.920
opinion. They were good things about
both stories, but I would have preferred
813
01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:38.599
it if they focused on one or
the other and then made another episode about
814
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:45.199
Bookard getting his heart transplant and going
there or rescuing Doherty from the pack Lids.
815
01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:53.840
I feel like they could have dived
deeper. I really enjoyed the scenes
816
01:04:53.880 --> 01:05:00.960
between Wesley and Picard. They were
they felt very strong and very character driven,
817
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:09.199
and Wesley will Wheaton, as Ryan
and Sirok have both mentioned in the
818
01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:15.199
past, is really good. He's
got this this genuineness to his acting where
819
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:20.239
when he asks a question in earnest, it really comes across that way.
820
01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:27.440
So I like watching that. I
like the pack Lits, and I want
821
01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:33.519
to see more of them because they're
interesting, They're they're a very quirky,
822
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:41.480
you know, bunch, a very
quirky bunch. So and I want to
823
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:45.119
see more of them, and I'm
glad that we did get to see more
824
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:50.119
of them in Lower Decks. I
like that their species was fleshed out a
825
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:57.000
bit more in that show. So
yeah, it was a mixed bag,
826
01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:02.000
not because either story was, but
I just didn't feel like it fit together.
827
01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:09.239
Hm. Interesting great points there,
Malisa Longo, what about you?
828
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:15.159
What say you? Dark Lord?
Chris McGee say, it's a fun episode.
829
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:20.239
We finally get the return of Incens, Sonia Gomez and incein. Sonia
830
01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:29.280
Gomez's hair wonderful eighties hair, so
maybe they'll she'll be a recurring character on
831
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:34.920
the show. I kind of agree
with Wharf in this episode. Why send
832
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:40.400
the chief engineer to the Packlage ship
instead of just one of the I guess
833
01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:45.840
regular engineers. I get the feeling
that after Jordi was take taking hostage or
834
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:51.639
abducted whatever, that wharf had a
really hard time fighting back the instinct to
835
01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:59.039
say gold just so okay, This, of course the first mention of Nausikens,
836
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:06.519
if I recall correctly, they were
so named after the lead character in
837
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:12.960
a nineteen eighty four anime called nausicaa
of the Valley of the Wind. Of
838
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:15.800
course, Mike can correct me on
my pronunciation here, which proves, in
839
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:23.079
turn based on a nineteen eighty two
manga. Because the writer was or one
840
01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:28.599
of his family members was a fan
of anime, and of course at that
841
01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:32.920
time anime and manga were very niche
in the US was difficult to obtain.
842
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:38.719
I was thankfully one one of the
few that had some knowledge of it,
843
01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:44.440
so relatively few people in America at
that time had heard of it. That
844
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:49.440
is until two thousand and five when
Disney released an English dub up for the
845
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:54.280
film, and one of the actors
they hired a voice a character was none
846
01:07:54.320 --> 01:08:00.679
other than Patrick Stewart, And of
course I loved the fact that Picard's nausic
847
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:05.639
and story becomes the basis for what
I think is one of the best episodes
848
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:14.440
in the Future of Next Generation,
as far as a non appearance mentioned,
849
01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:19.119
I think one may may qualify.
During Picard's story, he mentions his friends
850
01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:25.600
or mates that he was with on
far Space Star based our Herdboy, that's
851
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:31.359
a mouthful, So maybe Cortan and
Marta count as Nam's for this episode.
852
01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:38.880
I'll let other people will be the
judge of that. I think if Picard
853
01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:42.600
said, did he actually say his
friends, he said, with a couple
854
01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:46.199
of friends that by name. He
just mentioned the friends and mates. I
855
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:51.319
think that counts. What do you
guys think? And it's the same people
856
01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:58.960
we got to ask Homer he's gonna
run our fun again. There's also the
857
01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:04.079
three of Nausicaan's True True. Yeah, they were in that episode. They
858
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:10.119
had names kind of. As far
as my memorable quote the episode, of
859
01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:14.000
course, I'm gonna leave off all
of the obvious pack lid quotes. You
860
01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:16.039
know it is broken and so forth, there were two that stood out to
861
01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:19.039
me, so I started to pick
one, but I'll go with a more
862
01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:25.000
interesting one, I guess, which
is wishing for a thing does not make
863
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:30.720
it so right? Excellent, Thank
you very much, Chris McGee. Anil
864
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:34.840
O Palatte is hanging out with us
and we are happy for that. What
865
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:40.000
do you think of this episode?
Yeah, I like all the stuff they
866
01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:46.239
set up. I think it's funny
that nobody listens to Wharf and like they
867
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:51.159
do a reaction shot on Wharf when
when the PackBits kidnapped Jordi, they just
868
01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:56.079
show him just looking all pissed off, and I'm like, man, like,
869
01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:59.079
you know, it takes all the
way to the Space nine for the
870
01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:03.439
poor guy to be expected. It
kind of it kind of it is funny
871
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:09.119
and sad, but yeah, I
also think the concept of kind of reminds
872
01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:13.439
me of wrong, Like acting stupid
when you're not is, especially if you're
873
01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:16.319
in space when nobody knows who you
are, would be a really good way
874
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:23.359
to like attack people or get away
with stuff or whatever. So I like
875
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:26.079
that. I like the concept,
and I like that Lower Decks kind of
876
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:30.920
took that further. Just acting dumb
but you're not really that dumb, but
877
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:38.560
still kind of dumb. So so
yeah, so it's a good episode,
878
01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:45.279
except I feel bad for Wharf.
Thanks very much, anil Oh Palatte.
879
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:47.920
We all feel sorry for Warf.
Have you ever seen that super cut of
880
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:53.319
like every time that Wharf was told
no In the Next Generation there's like one
881
01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:57.479
hundred and fifty of them. It's
just like, no, no, no,
882
01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:00.159
it's quiet down, get out of
here, wharf. It's horrible and
883
01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:03.159
right, I was so sure of
it too. So he's like so sure
884
01:11:03.159 --> 01:11:08.880
that he was. I'll just send
him over there with no protection, nothing,
885
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:13.199
just all by himself. Rikers like, did somebody say no protection?
886
01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:17.359
Jason Oakin is also here? What's
up, Jason? What do you think
887
01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:21.079
of this episode? Well, I'm
not going to be buying. I'm not
888
01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:28.039
going to be behind the bush.
I honestly think it's pretty bad. And
889
01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:31.479
you know this again, even in
episodes that may not be the best,
890
01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:33.840
there are there always moments, and
there are plenty of them here, and
891
01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:38.039
I think so if you think of
the Picard Wesley story as the b story,
892
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:41.399
there's plenty there to mine. But
I think obviously, by the name
893
01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:45.680
of the episode, on the main
plot, things actually don't work out.
894
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:48.239
They do look better on the page
they can do on the stage, and
895
01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:53.800
frankly, the pack lads belong in
lower decks, so you don't necessarily belong
896
01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:57.279
on the screen and you have to
do them right. Are we dealing with
897
01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:00.560
the race that kind of appears stupid, but it is really sinister, smart,
898
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:04.800
and you see some of that,
but it's not even throughout, especially
899
01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:12.479
with Frankly. I think Christopher Collins
did a more or less a decent job
900
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:16.800
at doing this. Leslie Morris,
who was the chief engineer. I think
901
01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:23.000
it varies from being sort of this
kind of sinister to being, you know,
902
01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:28.119
a little silly, and once they
turned silly, they sort of lose
903
01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:31.079
their menace. And the background actress
I'm not sure they were directed properly.
904
01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:34.640
I mean that you know, the
smiles that are way too dumb to even
905
01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:39.600
make it seem like there was space
worthy you know, creatures at all,
906
01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:42.880
and I think it kind of varied
throughout the episode that doesn't quite know what
907
01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:45.359
they want to be. On the
one hand, I mean, I think
908
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:48.479
it works better when they're just sinister
and it appears that they're a little slow
909
01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:53.479
or their speech is not developed as
data set. But in reality, if
910
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:57.279
somebody is that sinister, why would
they fall. It's such a stupid gig
911
01:12:57.319 --> 01:13:00.399
at the end, I mean,
it's just it fails its own logic.
912
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:03.359
I think, so it's sort of
a it did not work for me at
913
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:06.119
all. I mean, the two
cartoonish, or at least the way that
914
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:11.239
we're done the rule of too cartoonish
to be taken seriously. And frankly,
915
01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:14.359
when Warf and Troy are the smartest
people on the ship, it's kind of
916
01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:16.880
a unique episode and that's what it
is, and everybody just ignores them.
917
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:21.560
It probably is the kind of a
unique thing in the alis of certainly Next
918
01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:26.239
Generation, because you know, Wharf
is not often portrayed us, you know,
919
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:29.359
the brightest of the bunch, and
I think he often has a punchline
920
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:31.920
of those jokes. I mean,
it's nice to see that he obviously says
921
01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:35.439
the right thing, but the fact
that everybody ignores him doesn't do anybody any
922
01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:40.039
favors. I mean, it looks
decent. I think less lined out,
923
01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:44.279
does you know, a reasonably good
job. I think it's this third outing
924
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:47.600
as director or next gencer. He's
certainly developing things. And yeah, it's
925
01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:51.399
it's not you know, cutting edge, but there's a lot of kind of
926
01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:55.800
views of low angles and what have
you. There's a long wonder at the
927
01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:59.319
beginning where pick Cart kind of walks
from the steinsation to turbo lift and back.
928
01:13:59.880 --> 01:14:01.239
So you do see me something a
little bit unusual, but for the
929
01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:06.079
most part is sort of run of
the mill. It could have been better.
930
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:10.960
I think it really had to be
executed in a very very careful way
931
01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:14.359
for the packlist to actually come off
as less than sort of a joke.
932
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:15.960
And I don't think it was done
right. I don't think it was handled
933
01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:24.279
correctly. What a downer. Hey, Sarak totally agrees with you with the
934
01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:27.840
directing. He mentioned the directing and
we're like, well, we got a
935
01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:31.279
feeling that Jason Noken might mention that
as well, with the camera angles and
936
01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:38.399
stuff. Thanks very much, Jason
for your evisceration of this excellent episode.
937
01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:44.039
Doctor Susan V. Grunner is also
here. She loved it. What do
938
01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:47.600
you think, Sue, Well,
some of my lines have been stolen already.
939
01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:55.079
The first thing I wrote was how
much I love doctor Pulaski. She's
940
01:14:55.159 --> 01:14:59.880
just she and Dinah Moldor and Will
Wheat and were just so God you.
941
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:05.520
There's two episodes in this episode,
and I agree with Jason that one could
942
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:09.800
have then handled at a little differently, but I still didn't hate it.
943
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:15.399
And I also made a comment about
why didn't they listen to Warf and Troy?
944
01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:21.600
I thought that was bizarre and we
need more information. I love that
945
01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:30.279
we start to see a little bit
more with Picard and Will talking to each
946
01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:33.279
other honestly, and that Picard opened
up. I thought that was really great,
947
01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:36.079
but it sort of left me hanging
a little bit. I thought,
948
01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:40.600
Okay, so what's going to happen
next? Well, obviously I know what's
949
01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:45.000
going to happen next, but I
think had a chance to do more with
950
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:50.319
that relationship, and I don't recall
if they really ever do. We shall
951
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:56.479
see. I had completely forgotten about
this episode. And then, in big
952
01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:00.760
ginormous writing because I usually don't pay
attention to the deep stuff because I'm too
953
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:04.159
busy just enjoying the show, I
wrote, who came up with the red
954
01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:10.319
scrubs and the red pillow for the
for the operating room and everything? That's
955
01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:15.840
just that's just also wrong. It
was just creepy, and I wrote,
956
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:19.640
oh my god, I kept thinking, posh twat from Eve the way the
957
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:28.479
card was Twatt that earm that I
cannot get get out of my mind from
958
01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:32.439
Eve. Thanks Eve. But he
does redeem himself a little bit at the
959
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:43.840
end of the episode. But I
like such a jerk so many and uh,
960
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:50.880
oh, the names, just for
the heck of that. Uh the
961
01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:56.800
names of the guys, the the
pack lids, their names are spelled backwards,
962
01:16:57.239 --> 01:17:03.000
Am I right? Yes, Nail
Goldenberg and Donnegher. But who are
963
01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:08.720
those? Who are those the actors? I don't friends of the writer of
964
01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:12.600
the episode, Robert McCullough, who
was in earlier in this episode and told
965
01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:15.520
us that, so you nailed it, we can. We should find those
966
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:21.159
guys or women or whoever they are
and hack into their email account or something,
967
01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:25.680
because you know they're using something backwards. They keep doing it on all
968
01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:40.920
these episodes. I'm just kidding about
the hacking. Great stuff. Thanks very
969
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:45.000
much, Sue. We're all watching
you. Keep an eye on you.
970
01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:50.279
Uh My is live in Tokyo who's
only hacked emails twice, so she's one
971
01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:55.560
of the good ones. What did
you think of this episode? I gotta
972
01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:58.840
ask a question first, given my
background, and that is what's so fun
973
01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:03.600
about He's love and understand. Sorry
little Elvis Costello for you guys, this
974
01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:10.520
fine Friday, the thirteenth morning here
in Tokyo. This episode, wow,
975
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:15.199
I think it had some really heavy
messages. I think the writers were particularly
976
01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:18.680
clever on this one. I got
to give the home run of the day
977
01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:23.920
to the writers. Absolutely. I
thought the creation of the pack leads was
978
01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:28.319
absolutely genius for the message they were
trying to convey. It seems that the
979
01:18:28.359 --> 01:18:34.960
writers were indirectly making the observation that
people who are not in possession of as
980
01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:40.840
much wealth or property as another are
often viewed as lesser people, maybe even
981
01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:45.399
by themselves, That people who perceive
the world at a slower rate than others
982
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:49.920
are to be considered simpletons or stupid, maybe even by themselves. And that
983
01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:56.520
people who are not as articulate as
others are on a lower rung of humanity.
984
01:18:56.600 --> 01:18:59.399
The message, it seems to be
coming through loud and clear, is
985
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:04.239
that none of this matters, and
if we evaluate, if we evaluate others
986
01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:10.680
in these and similar ways, we
are in fact of lesser quality ourselves.
987
01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:14.800
That's what I felt on this one. It shouldn't matter if you prefer focusing
988
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:18.159
on fixing a car or investment portfolios
or a new dress or a piece of
989
01:19:18.199 --> 01:19:25.119
literature, etc. I think the
message that the writers lay at our feet
990
01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:30.199
today is threefold, and it goes
like this, People are people are people,
991
01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:34.640
and it's only when when we recall
this that we ourselves become better,
992
01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:39.399
become a better iteration of ourselves than
we were than we were before that.
993
01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:45.720
So I'll end my rant with a
restatement of an oft quoted and very negative
994
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:48.960
statement about others that has been popular
in the US since the wars in Asia
995
01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:53.279
in the fifties, the sixties,
the seventies, and then later in places
996
01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:57.239
where it's much warmer and drier in
the nineties. And my rephrasing is this,
997
01:19:57.880 --> 01:20:04.159
love them all and let God sort
it out. My friends shall thank
998
01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:10.479
you very much. My live in
Tokyo, early morning there, Jed Thompson
999
01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:12.520
is here. What's up, Jed? What do you think of this one?
1000
01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:18.199
I love this one and I didn't
remember it until I started watching it,
1001
01:20:18.239 --> 01:20:23.640
And of course with lower decks in
the return of packlets, that made
1002
01:20:23.640 --> 01:20:27.279
me enjoy this even more. And
there's not much that I can say right
1003
01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:30.880
now. I'll save a bunch of
stuff for things left onset, more like
1004
01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:34.640
picky or detail orange and stuff.
But I chose this as my background because
1005
01:20:34.640 --> 01:20:40.359
I thought this was actually the best
part the entire episode. As as a
1006
01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:44.520
couple of people, I pointed out
the conversation in that shell craft between the
1007
01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:48.800
card and Wesley, and I really
think that that ultimately was, you know,
1008
01:20:49.159 --> 01:20:53.439
in terms of far reaching for the
series. I think that was the
1009
01:20:53.439 --> 01:21:00.560
best, you know, the part
and how the card is just he's got
1010
01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:04.159
this. He starts off with just
such a stereotypical cheese. The Mode doesn't
1011
01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:10.680
want his his medical records, you
know, you know, talked about him
1012
01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:14.760
amongst the crew and uh, you
know that stuff, and of course that
1013
01:21:14.840 --> 01:21:20.239
shouldn't be anyways, but he's he
just starts this whole episode off. I'm
1014
01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:28.239
such a rouff. I'm gonna say
again, Chez the Mode attitude, and
1015
01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:33.920
Wesley just puts him in his place
with with I had I had to take
1016
01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:40.720
it down. Uh everyone knows you
don't like kids, mm hmm. And
1017
01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:49.279
and man, you just saw that
pin pop that that that balloon couple you
1018
01:21:50.520 --> 01:22:03.439
scenes, but that's the I think
we're losing you. Yeah, I thought
1019
01:22:03.439 --> 01:22:10.800
it was me. I think he's
back now, right, Jed, I
1020
01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:16.079
can hear you. It is broken. The last five seconds of what you
1021
01:22:16.079 --> 01:22:18.920
said here, yeah, yeah,
a little rough if you want to repeat
1022
01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:30.880
that. I was on a soapbox
Ryan and I solve problems and I'm so
1023
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:35.840
sorry. You'll have to stay tuned
for things left upset. Those kinds of
1024
01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:40.680
things can only be said once you're
right. Okay, thanks very much.
1025
01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:45.560
Jed Gregory Kenzo is here out in
Hawaii somewhere. What's up, man?
1026
01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:50.920
What do you think of this episode? You know, I agree with Melissa
1027
01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:57.720
and a lot of what Jason said
too. But then I really liked what
1028
01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:05.039
my said, you know about you
know, the letting people be who they
1029
01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:10.319
are and kind of accepting them as
they are. I have to say about
1030
01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:15.439
this. I think it's another example
of like what could go wrong with why
1031
01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:20.239
the prime directive is in place?
You know, like these it seems like
1032
01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:30.119
this is an uneventsd planet and the
Packwards are an unevented species that got behold
1033
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:35.680
of some technology that allowed them to
just kept keep adding onto their technology.
1034
01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:41.600
They're a little smarter than how they
come off. But yeah, I mean,
1035
01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:45.560
but yeah, I do think it
was like a disconnected episode. That's
1036
01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:51.039
why I thought IMDb would be like
lower because of that disconnect. But I
1037
01:23:51.039 --> 01:23:55.439
mean, I do like a lot
of things in this episode, you know,
1038
01:23:56.239 --> 01:23:59.600
because I think it's like up a
card Ego episode, Like it really
1039
01:24:00.319 --> 01:24:04.000
breaks down his character and like why
he is like that. But I like
1040
01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:09.840
how he acknowledged, acknowledges how he
was really cocky in the past. I
1041
01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:13.800
mean, he still kind of is, but he acknowledges it and says he
1042
01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:17.560
learns he learned from it, which
is great. Just something I think we
1043
01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:24.119
all kind of we're in our youth, you know. But other than that,
1044
01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:28.439
I thought it was really cool backgrounds
like Starbased five one five on the
1045
01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:32.159
planet. You know, I thought
they were all in space, So yeah,
1046
01:24:32.439 --> 01:24:38.720
that was cool. Yeah, this
one, just the backlets kind of
1047
01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:44.640
made me uncomfortable, you know,
just like the five of them crowding around
1048
01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:48.359
Jeordie and you know yeah, other
than that, I think there were some
1049
01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:54.079
really good things in this episode.
I'll save that for later. Yeah,
1050
01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:56.560
let's save the good stuff for later. Yeah, I know, all right.
1051
01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:03.119
Carrie Schwentz is also here. What's
up? Carry? Thanks? Greg?
1052
01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:11.079
Hell, Hello, Hello. I
enjoy this episode. I think the
1053
01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:17.760
packloids are just adorable. They are
very much the embodiment of a key chain
1054
01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:23.680
I had in high school that says
I only look sweet and innocent, and
1055
01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:27.960
I just I love the funny,
funny way they talk, just like the
1056
01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:31.039
Star Wars background behind me, Just
the funny way jar Jar Banks talks I
1057
01:25:31.079 --> 01:25:36.439
love the way he talks too.
Yeah, packlids are just super adorable and
1058
01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:43.600
looking into seeing seeing if I recognized
anything else, the two main packlids had
1059
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:48.600
been in the pack Lad Captain and
my brother will love this when I when
1060
01:25:48.640 --> 01:25:53.880
I when I tell him. But
he was in the original Transformer's cartoon.
1061
01:25:53.960 --> 01:25:58.560
He was the voice of Star Scream
and I saw that and got very very
1062
01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:01.079
excited because I used to watch Like
or two with my brother and he was
1063
01:26:01.159 --> 01:26:06.279
also the I think that if I
remember the Cobra commander in like the original
1064
01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:11.600
G I. Joe cartoons too,
So he has just a very cool voice.
1065
01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:17.560
And loved that. Jeordy I think
suffers a little bit from I think
1066
01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:21.039
the reason he got kidnapped was so
he could reap the results of his instant
1067
01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:27.079
karma, because they clearly heard Jordy
when he walked up on the bridge and
1068
01:26:27.119 --> 01:26:33.720
asked if the rubber band was broken. The little bit of instant karma karma
1069
01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:41.880
going on there. I think I
loved the the way Picard told the told
1070
01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:45.479
the story about how he got his
how he got his injury, and the
1071
01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:48.600
way he's describing it. I fully
expected him to start busting out with a
1072
01:26:48.600 --> 01:26:53.960
couple of lines from Star Wars about
the wretched hive of scum and villainy,
1073
01:26:54.039 --> 01:27:00.640
So naturally I had to use the
Posseley canteena for my background. Couldn't resist
1074
01:27:00.640 --> 01:27:05.399
Pulaski very much has a cat who
not only ate the canary, but ate
1075
01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:10.640
the canary's entire family with the grinch
he's got on her face. When Picard
1076
01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:15.199
wakes up and sees her, she
was very much enjoying because his reacting and
1077
01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:19.359
knowing he couldn't run away from her
and had to talk to her there for
1078
01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:26.640
a minute. But for my for
my limerick this time, I decided to
1079
01:27:26.680 --> 01:27:30.000
have a little bit, a little
bit of fun with it and came at
1080
01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:34.000
it from the potential scenario he was
Jeordie was on that ship for a little
1081
01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:38.560
while, you know, fixing stuff, and they were probably chatting. What
1082
01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:45.359
if the subject of poetry happened to
come up? And after after he left,
1083
01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:50.880
one of the packlads decided to try
his hand at a limerick. I
1084
01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:54.920
leave it up to you as to
how how well he did or did not
1085
01:27:55.119 --> 01:28:00.800
do. You think we are weak, but we are strong. We search
1086
01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:05.319
for things that make us stronger.
We will no longer be weak. We
1087
01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:11.560
will have power. Next time,
your Crimson force field won't work because we
1088
01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:18.960
will have power. I had Jordy
absolutely sold the no they used their Crimson
1089
01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:28.640
force field. No sold that the
oscar goes to Jerdy at the at the
1090
01:28:28.760 --> 01:28:32.079
end. There for that, But
yeah, I couldn't resist coming at it
1091
01:28:32.239 --> 01:28:36.359
from a pack lud point of view. This timer, well, that one
1092
01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:43.239
for me was up there with the
buyer Limerick. I was thinking the same
1093
01:28:43.399 --> 01:28:45.399
as soon as the first line.
I had the first line, and then
1094
01:28:45.439 --> 01:28:50.600
the rest of it just came poor
pouring out, and I said pretty much
1095
01:28:50.600 --> 01:28:53.800
the same thing to Eric. I'm
like, they're gonna love this one.
1096
01:28:54.199 --> 01:29:00.039
We brought up the Limerick on the
last review we did of Lower So look
1097
01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:05.960
up for that nice great stuff.
Thanks very much, Carrie schwent faith,
1098
01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:09.840
howel is here? She got French
fries a minute ago? By the way,
1099
01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:14.399
how were they? And what do
you think of this episode? So
1100
01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:19.399
this episode is very very memorable,
as I'm sure you guys all understand,
1101
01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:25.680
But watching it now was a very
different experience, and I don't think I
1102
01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:28.520
would have liked it if I had
seen it as an adult, for sure.
1103
01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:32.159
A couple of things that I thought
of While I was watching this time,
1104
01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:38.880
I remember the adage that I've also
often heard as a parent of a
1105
01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:44.359
nonverbal child, that nonverbal does not
mean non thinking, and so I kind
1106
01:29:44.359 --> 01:29:48.319
of watched with that perspective and that, you know, maybe we should have
1107
01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:53.000
taken these guys a little more seriously
from the beginning, and maybe we wouldn't
1108
01:29:53.000 --> 01:29:57.640
have had this problem. But overall, I think the real gem of this
1109
01:29:57.680 --> 01:30:02.560
episode are the Picard scenes. For
sure, I really enjoy watching those two
1110
01:30:02.600 --> 01:30:08.359
play off of each other, especially
when Pacard's guard is down, when he's
1111
01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:13.000
not forced to be the captain for
everybody, that he's just one on one.
1112
01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:18.000
As a mentor to Wesley especially,
I loved how the line about you
1113
01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:20.359
know, do you want some more
sandwiches? I was like, yes,
1114
01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:26.079
I do, please, Like I
can almost taste those sandwiches. But I
1115
01:30:26.119 --> 01:30:28.439
do have a question, and I
don't know if you guys can answer,
1116
01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:31.079
maybe we can carry it over into
things left un said. I just do
1117
01:30:31.239 --> 01:30:39.960
not get the tension between Picard and
Pulaski, Like, is their relationship history
1118
01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:45.039
there or is there Like it didn't
seem when she came aboard that like they
1119
01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:50.159
knew each other aside from maybe as
a professional name drop for Picard, but
1120
01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:57.520
he really doesn't like her, and
I even though she's grading, I don't
1121
01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:00.600
see that it's that, or at
least she hasn't been shown to us that
1122
01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:04.319
he would dislike her that much.
So it just doesn't make sense to me,
1123
01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:15.720
just because Yeah, he's very that
particular surgery requires a rectal entry,
1124
01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:25.279
and that's why he didn't want her
doing that. Oh no, but I
1125
01:31:25.319 --> 01:31:30.119
had to leave out of here real
quick. Wow. Well, maybe we
1126
01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:36.399
will talk about the rest of that
and on the next segment, because I
1127
01:31:38.119 --> 01:31:42.760
really felt like there was something private
going on there with the surgery. That's
1128
01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:46.119
why he was, you know,
anxious about it in the beginning. That's
1129
01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:50.000
just what it felt like. Mm
hmm. Yeah, we'll cover it a
1130
01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:54.239
bit more on the other side.
Sounds like I think everybody's got opinions,
1131
01:31:54.319 --> 01:31:57.039
especially Jason. He's like, I
got so much shit to tell you guys
1132
01:31:57.119 --> 01:32:01.600
right now. So we'll do that. But until then, look what we
1133
01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:12.199
get from this episode. We get
one of the best episodes ever and out
1134
01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:15.479
card, we get the pack leads, we get the Nausikens, we get
1135
01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:25.680
the card impression of NASA kings.
Oh I see Malisa's trying to get me
1136
01:32:25.760 --> 01:32:30.359
to do it, but I won't. I'll save that for the next segment
1137
01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:35.640
for anybody that's seen it. Okay, it goes like this human that what
1138
01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:40.199
he seems like, right, Uh, it's it's pretty good, sir,
1139
01:32:40.239 --> 01:32:43.560
I trust me when you see that
episode. All Right, we got to
1140
01:32:43.640 --> 01:32:48.039
run. Thank you very much to
Melissa Longo, Chris McGhee, aneil O
1141
01:32:48.560 --> 01:32:55.560
Palatte, Jason the Outrageous Oaken Doctor
Susan V. Gruner my live in Tokyo.
1142
01:32:55.680 --> 01:33:00.760
Jed Thompson enjoyed the New York City
comic That'll be fun for you,
1143
01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:08.359
Greg Kenzo, Carrie Schwent, Faith
Howl for myself, s Rock Lofton,
1144
01:33:09.079 --> 01:33:12.720
mister Aaron Eisenberg, malis a Longo. Thank you all very much for joining
1145
01:33:12.760 --> 01:33:16.119
us, and until next time,
enjoy our wild America. I always want
1146
01:33:16.119 --> 01:33:21.199
to say that because of that show
and nobody watched, but it's always remember
1147
01:33:21.399 --> 01:33:23.159
the seventh role.