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Five minutes. Please say you fine? You did a read
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those birds. It's called a riff. Hi, David, Hi, they're Matt.
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How are you doing? I am I'm good. I'm a
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little sweaty, sweaty betty, but I'm good. You know it's
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hot up here. It is, although I think it's more
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it's less the heat and more of the humidity.
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Yeah, like this morning it was relatively cool, but the
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air was so thick that you could like walk, you know,
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I could climb to the second floor with outstairs.
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Yeah, this bog's as thick as pain at better exactly.
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But tis the summer, and then it'll just make us
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appreciate the fall even more. I can't wait to eat
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a sweater.
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Yeah, I do say on those on those on those
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cold nuts, horase. When it is February and my face
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is hurting as I'm walking to the subway, I do
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sit there and think of, like remember that time in
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July when you were sitting there in your room and
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a beat of sweat was like trickling down the back
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of your neck between your shoulder blades, and it was
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really uncomfortable and you were really hot, and you were like,
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I can't even move to wipe the wipe the singular
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beat of sweat that has pooled from my bald head
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the back of my neck now because it's too hot
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to even move, Like remember that, remember that sense memory,
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keep it in your sense memory journal, and then open
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it up when it's time to I don't know.
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I'd also like, I don't know if I've told you
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my horror stories. But the office that I work at,
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we've sold the building and we're moving to an actual
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like office building because right now we're in a renovated brownstone.
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But they sold the building because it's the business is
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getting bigger and we need more space. However, the air
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conditioning on the floor that I work on hasn't worked
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for this is the third summer in a row. Oh,
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And they were like, but we've sold the building. We're
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not going to spend money to make one person comfortable.
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Oh no, yeah, So every day at my desk it
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gets to be about like eighty two eighty three degrees
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and it's a small like it's really a storage closet
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that they put a desk in, so there's no ventilation,
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there's no circulation of air, and by the time my
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workday is over, I am dehydrated and befuddled because of
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the heat. But fall is coming, and fall is my favorite.
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Fall is coming.
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I just I just want it here now and to
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be forever, and not just the like two weeks of
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it that we get.
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Yeah, I will say this year has been I normally
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really like fall. Fall starts with my birthday and then
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goes to Halloween and then it goes to Christmas. And
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I don't know how I feel about that that this year,
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but that's my own personal grief, so we shall see
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how that goes. I'm currently trying to make some plans
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for were my birthday. Finding out that I have more
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friends who share the same birthday as me. I think
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I made a joke of like I could start a
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theater company with friends who just with friends who have
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my same birthday.
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I only know a few people that have the same
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birthday as me, but none of them are near me, so.
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I think we're I think I'm now at like twelve.
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Oh wow, Okay, Well, and it's the fault that this
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does not This does not explain my Jewish friends who
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have the same birthday. But in our defense, our parents' defense,
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it is roughly nine months after Christmas. Oh yeah, because
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it's the end of September, so like you know, and
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there's a little yeah, celebrating the new year. Yeah, it's
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a little bit of like, oh celebration, baby Mommy's a
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little Christmas present or something. I don't know. So yes,
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how how has your summer been? Besides sweating?
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It's been okay, like no no complaints. Uh. Yeah, James,
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like James right now, he's in Edinburgh at the Fringe Festival. Well, yeah,
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he was working on a show. A friend of his,
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like his oldest friend from uh back in Montreal, from
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when he was a little boy. His wife was directing
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this new musical called Techi's and it's all about you know,
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high school, uh doing a musical that's very much like Hamilton,
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except it's about Charles Darwin. But you know, it's it's
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heavily inspired by Hamilton. And but the show is about
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the people you know behind the stage and there, uh,
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their their quirks and their loves and things like that.
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And it's a really cute show.
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Okay.
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But they've got a bunch of young actors like anywhere
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from like I think, like I want to say, like
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sixteen is the youngest and then there's some older people.
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So they're all young actors and they're like, hey, let's
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do the show and go to Edinburgh, much like I
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did as a child thirty one years ago when I
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went to Edinburgh with an hour long version of Pippin
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called Pip And It's a great experience. But like the
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whole time that James was working on it, he was like,
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I'm not going to go to Edinburgh. I'm not going
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to go to Edinburgh. Two nights before they left, he
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was like on his computer like, well, the flights aren't
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that expensive, and I guess I could get a cheap
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hotel or a hostel or something like that. And I
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was just like, will you just buy the ticket and
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go because they all want you there. Yeah, and it's
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a great experience. It's one of my favorite places on earth,
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and you've never had this experience, so you should go
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and have the experience. So he's there now any scene
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a bunch of shows. He actually even had to He
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had to be in the show in Techies for two
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performances because one of the cast members came down with
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something right before they left, so she didn't She don't
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wind up going, But just like this role of a
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teacher has like five lines and two different scenes. So
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when he showed up, they were like, oh, thank god
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you're here. Would you like to play the teacher? And
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so he's done that a few times. Okay, so it's
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not it's not like it's like you're going out there
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and nobody and coming back.
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I sta nothing, like, Yeah, well no, I'm just thinking
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of like all the different Apparently I now know of
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two productions of Hello Dolly that I had been in
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the audience for where the DOLLI had recently had very
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large injuries. Oh no, one of them apparently she had
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like broken her wrists on opening night, and another one
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like a day or two before I got to see it,
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she'd gotten into a car crash. Oh like, and it
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was it was it was not her fault. It was like, so,
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I don't think I remember the wrist brace. I think
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it might have been like she was able to take
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it off, or maybe I saw it before she broke
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her or maybe whatever.
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She was too forceful when she put her hand in. Yeah,
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that's a very nache joke.
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Anyway, Sorry, but I'm the one that on the one
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with the car crash, I was like oh, interesting. She
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has like like a kinesio tape and like some pads,
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and I was like, oh, is she injured? Like mainly
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you was only noticed of it when she came down
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the stairs for Hello Dolly, because the red dress was
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lower in the back. But it also it wasn't like
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it was kind of like, oh, okay, I guess she
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just must have gotten a nod or something, and I.
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Think it was they put in one of those electrical
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chair lifts and she just, yeah, slowly came down. Yeah.
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And then last year for the production of She Loves
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Me that I costume designed, our mister Merrichech got very
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sick last weekend and was in the hospital and couldn't
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go to the stage manager had to come out and
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like luckily he was the exact same size as mister
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Merrichach and then they gave him like a clipboard like
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Smster Merritick always has a clipboard with has a script
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so you know, live THETA live community theater with no understudies,
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the show must go on. Yeah, No, that's that's interesting.
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Like I remember when I was a teenager and it
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was my senior year, the community theater that I always
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did shows at for it was like a teenage community theater,
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and we did guys and dolls and I auditioned him.
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I thought I had a wonderful audition to play Nathan mhm.
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But I did not get to play Nathan, and I
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was kind of a said about it. They offered me nicely,
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nicely Johnson, but I am not a tenor and I
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can't do that, especially at the time. I could not
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do that high a at the end of sit down here
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rocking the Boat. So I said, I don't think I
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can do that, and I think there's people who could
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sing it better than me. And so the director was like, well,
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would you like to be like my assistant director? And
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I was like, yeah, sure. But then one weekend our
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Lieutenant Brandigan got sick, and so I was like, you know,
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he's got like ten lines. I can learn them quickly
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and I'll hop in for a show or two. Until
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it was a woman, we had cast a girl as
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Lieutenant Brandigan. So it's like, so I'll just hop in
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and you know, you know, put me on a derby
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and I'll look Irish. But the thing is I couldn't
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do and I still can't do an Irish accent. Very well.
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But at the time coffee Talk with Linda Richmond was
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very popular in SNL. So I did, you know, just
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kind of like that New York kind of accents that
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any of you guys seen natean Detroit kind of thing.
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I had the freedom to improv, which I kind of
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did and it was funny, it was enjoyed. But no,
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so yeah, i've the people laugh that. Yeah, people laughed,
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I actually And then the first that actually led to
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the director of the first production of Sweeney Todd that
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I did, which was right after that, was in the
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audience to see me and he was like, oh, if
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he can do something like that on a moment's notice,
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then we want we want to work with him. So
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I did a sweety Todd that went to the Avignon
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Off Festival in France. Oh okay, so it was fun.
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Here I am in Paris, Rain, But yeah, I love
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I love those stories. Though there's so much fun. It's
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it's it's it is the joy of live theater. It's
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when the things go wrong and you have to do
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something about it. I for luckily, it was a dress
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rehearsal but for the dress rehearsal of Cinderella in the
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second act, when she's like, has the second dress reveal her?
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The dress, like the bodice, like the lacing came undone,
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so we had to we were trying to relace it,
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and so that added like another minute or two, and
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so the stepmother just like sat on stage just monologuing
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and ad lib monologuing until the director was like, what
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is going on?
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I just saw a clip of Donalin Champlain who she
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was in that John Doyle Sweeney Todd. Okay, aunts I
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saw that she was also on Crazy Ex Girlfriend as
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the main character's best friend. Okay, but she talked she
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was on some podcast and I saw a clip of
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it where she was talking about making her Broadway debut
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in James Joyce's The Dead and she was understudying someone
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but she had never but she had just gotten the job,
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and like before she even had a single rehearsal, they
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called her up and said, hey, look, you know the
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woman who plays her part is sick and she can't
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do the show. Would you like to step in it?
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And I think she'd seen it once or twice, so
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she was like, why the hell not? So she literally
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got to go out holding her script, and like everybody
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else in the cast was like helping her, like pushing
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her where she needed to be, and like saying things like, oh,
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and here's my horrible irish accent. Oh, Mary Catherine, why
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don't you start pouring the lemonade and start with me,
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you know, try.
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Kind of thing that's just giving me the image of
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in show Girls, when it's like, you know, so when
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do I start at start tonight and then they're having
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to like rip her dress off as she's like running
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on stage, and then like the whole first time she's
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doing the run, you see her performing, but then like
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it cuts to backstage where her friend Molly is like, no, yes.
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Oh in ages, Yeah, I love it. We used to
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make fun of it, and when I was in college
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all the time. Yeah, like if somebody's a besket of fries,
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just shake it and go.
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Different place places. There's I have the Blu Ray and
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I bought the Blu Ray because it includes the commentary
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from this one guy who did like a whole tour
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with the show. Oh and that commentary was on the
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original like box set. When that came like there was
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like a forty dollars box set that came with like
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playing cards and tassels and stuff. Well, then just put
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it on the blue ray. So he has a whole
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thing of Like, there's a scene that those of you
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who have seen this movie know towards the end, I
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think it's very uncomfortable. And so he on the commentary,
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He's like, now, when I'm doing this in the theater,
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because I've set this up myself, I can just say
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this movie has not earned the pathos of this scene,
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and we can just skip it. But right now we
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can't because I have to sit here and do the
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commentary for you. So we're gonna have to talk about it. Ah,
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yeah with a movie.
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I also one of my favorite, Like I love it
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when movies have to be edited for television, just like
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regular broadcast television.
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Like my favorite example is the movie Quick Change with
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Bill Murray and Geena Davison, Randy Quaid and Jason Robards,
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who was wonderful, But every they always replaced the F
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word with the word Viking. Okay, like this is a
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Viking nightmare?
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Yeah, but my but I think Showgirls is the best example.
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When they aired it on VH one every time somebody
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was topless. Instead of putting like a sensor bar, they
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shaped the sensor bar to look.
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Like a bra. Yeah. Yeah, it's very bizarre.
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Yeah, I will say while we're there.
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And then we can kind of get on with the
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rest of the episode. It's gonna be light, folks. My
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favorite example of TV editing, like, like, have we got
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to get this down to PG thirteen so we can
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air it on you know, Disney Family on ABC thirteen
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on Friday night or Sunday night whatever that timeslot was
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back in the day. Josie and the Pussycats, Okay, and
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there's a scene towards the end of the movie where
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what's your Face Josie whatever her real name is, Josie
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has like finally come out of her brainwashing, Like she
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got brainwashed. She yelled at everybody. She comes out of it.
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She goes back to the hotel and Missy Pile is there,
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and miss t Pyle goes, I heard what you said,
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Bitchy mcpitch Funny likes it's great, Missy Pyle. I love
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Missy Pile. I think that she she she's one of
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the people like I wish she had I would love
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to have her career, but also I wish that like
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she had more of a career, but also I love
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I just love her, like it's one of those things. Anyway.
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The TV edit for this, Josie walks in with her
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little like coat with the fringe on it and stuff,
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and Missy poal Trins are ben and goes like, I
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heard what you said, Diana Ross, And I honestly think
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that it's probably even funnier.
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You brought that movie over and we watched it, right.
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I think so? Yeah, Oh, I think it was. I
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think it was. It was one of our dinner nights.
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Yeah, because I couldn't remember if it was that or
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because there were a bunch of different movies like that,
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kind of like you know, oh girl band. Yeah, And
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I'm like, it wasn't Spice World because I don't remember
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I don't remember British accents, and Stephen Fry wasn't was
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nowhere to be found.
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Yeah, but then again i'd go, you're saying something.
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No, I was just saying I've had so much aspertame
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that I don't remember anything anymore. It was rachel Lee
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Cook who Rachel Lee Cook?
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, she's another person like
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what happened to her? Yeah, I think she's still doing stuff,
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but like you know, I think so she needs what
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happened here.
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She needs a home Homeland or some TV series where
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she could be all dramatic and.
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Stuff or like whatever that that comeback show for Sarah
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Michelle Geller where she played Twins. I think it lasted
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a season. I think it might have lasted two. It
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was before COVID. Like, okay, if you ever watched Heroes
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and Ali Larder's character who was like, I'm the good twin,
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I'm the bad twin and wearing the same botty like
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the second season, they were like and there's a third
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twin who's just strong, Like don't know.
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Okay, it's been so long since I've watched here. And
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of course the news about Hayden Pantier.
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Yeah so sad, I know both Ice princesses. Like that's
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h m hmm yeah, I I yeah, no, I know,
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and I read some other stuff about it, and I'm
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just boof. It's it's hard.
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I mean, I knowing that she's had, you know, kind
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of a troubled history, I have not investigated anything. Yeah,
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it's like when it's none, it's none of my business.
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I'm not family. I never knew her personally, so you know,
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if it was tragic, then you know, I just know
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that she's at rest.
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You know, yeah, I agree.
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But anyway, comfort and joy, Comfort and.
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Joy, Comfort and Enjoy, Comfort and Joy. We are taking
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a little bit of a detour through the comfort and
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enjoy the world this episode because why well, I came
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back from my stint alone like summering and got exhausted,
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and we were like, well, let's we need to do
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an episode, So why don't we talk about some fun,
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little gossipy things that people argue about on TikTok because
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I don't think it's comforting. Well, I don't think it's comforting,
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but I also totally understand the rush of arguing with
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losers in the comments on TikTok. It really depends. I mean,
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this isn't just TikTok. There are some of these things
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that have pop that have popped up across the various
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social medias. Just you know, we're just like, you know,
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what's what's going on in the world, what are people
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talking about, what's the what's the buzz? Tell me what's happening,
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and then tell me why I am a fascist because
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I don't think the exact same way that you do.
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That's why I'm Hitler. Yes, that's my autobiography, right. Yeah,
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Like I I've had to cleanse a lot of stuff
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in social media because you know, I was a teenage
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Broadway fan and I would be caddy and focus on
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some negative stuff. It's just it's kind of human nature.
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But uh, you know, but I'm currently in the era
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where I don't want to focus on that, you know. So,
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But at the same time, I don't want to be
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toxically positive either. There's bad stuff happening and we can
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talk about it.
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Yeah. Well, Also, I think I think I looked at
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all of these because I think there are both good
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things and bad things about them, and I think the
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people who are four or against whatever thing is I mean,
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I mean, I hate to be like centrist about it,
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but like there's a number of these things where I
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feel like a lot of people I have discussed to
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have some very strong opinions, including myself, have valid points
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of the things that are being said, and I think
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it behooves us to listen to some of those points. No,
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that doesn't mean.
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Everybody is right.
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It doesn't mean like everybody, but I think there are
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some very good points being made on all the different sides.
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And this is about sort of like internal stuff on
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these things. This is necessarily like we're not changing the Broadway.
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We're not talking about you know, and you.
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Know what, everybody's kaleidoscope has different colors and we just
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gotta deal with it.
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And in some ways, America it's like a big ship
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and it's when we all work together the ship safely
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gets home.
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So I don't like the When we were talking earlier,
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one of the first things that you had mentioned was
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the the the talented young girl who sang feed the
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Birds that's been going around and it was hotly contested
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because she added a lot of riffs and she you know,
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she did not do a Julie Andrews's performance of Feed
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the Birds.
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Yeah, but at the same time it wasn't bad.
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And also I don't like looking at the stage that
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she was on. I don't know if she was it
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was an actual production of Mary Poppins, or if she
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was just singing the song in like a talent show
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kind of thing or what.
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As I understand it, because there was also a sound
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of music clip that she was in. If it's the
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same actor that was released, There's two things. One it
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seems to be the high school community theater or youth
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community theater. And I don't know if this is confirmed.
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A lot of the comments are saying she's thirteen. Oh okay. Now,
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I don't know if this is just she looks older
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in general, or if she if the makeup does something,
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or if she's just very self possessed in a way
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that they don't expect a lot of thirteen year olds
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to do. I would have put her at like maybe sixteen,
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but as I understand it, she's still under eighteen. And
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these are high school and or youth community theater productions
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of these shows, okay, which, after long mental deliberations, my
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first thought was like knowing what the world is like,
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why are who made the choice to put the thirty
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Like if she really is thirteen, If she's sixteen, I
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can be like, okay, you have your social media, we
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can't stop you. But if she's thirteen, there's a bit
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of me who's like, who's putting that on? Who is
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putting that out there?
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Then I don't know I how to say this diplomatically.
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Two of my biggest loves in my life are musical
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theater and comic books. And the thing I find fascinating
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about both of those worlds are the people who love
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it the most can't stop talking about how much they
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hate it. Yeah, and I don't understand this, So there
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is the contingent. And I'm not saying that they're wrong.
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I'm just saying that they strongly believe something that I
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myself don't strongly believe that when you do something like
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Mary Poppins, everything has to be exactly like Julie Anders
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did it, or at least a relatively firmly pressed carbon copy.
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And I don't really believe that. I mean, of course,
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the Sherman Brothers did not right feed the birds to
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be a showcase of someone's ability to riff, but that
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doesn't mean it can't be done. And also you can
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still do the original like Yeah, there will be other
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people who do it a more traditional way. It's this
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young girl who has this particular talent, and she is
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very talented. I mean, I hope that part of her
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practice is to take voice lessons to learn how to
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do things in a healthy way so she can continue
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to sing like that. Throughout her life. But she's a
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talented young woman who has an ear for riffs and
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a voice that allows her to do them. So why
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not it's not ending the world?
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Yeah, you know, on the there is one side of
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me to look at that and goes like absolutely because
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there is a Although I I'm gonna preface all this,
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none of this is none of this is. What I'm
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about to say is about her. I think she is
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incredibly talented from what I could see in the videos. Yeah,
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so anything I have to say is more about the
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adults in her life kind of questioning, so where did
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we get to somebody like who's making some of these decisions?
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And why? And that's also not even like necessarily a
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bad thing, just like who's making some of these decisions
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and why? And the two things that go with that
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are in terms of changing the vocal style. I look
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at the sound of music because the original was Mary Martin,
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so it's like a throaty, more alto y. I mean
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I think she had I think she was technically a soprano.
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I think so, but she was also well, I mean
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she wasn't like in her forties at the time, but
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she was older than Maria should be yes, you have
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real life.
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Yeah, she had this older woman who is a Broadway.
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I believe that there.
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Are I don't know. I actually what is Mary Martin's
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voice type, but who is most known for having lower roles?
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You know, we look at a lot of what she did. Yeah,
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this is Mary Martin's voice type. A soprano with a
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vocal range of A three to E five.
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Yeah, so there's another one that's like, h to see
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sharp six. So this is someone who has a soprano
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sound but was not using the soprano in the thing,
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like you can.
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You can go and listen to the cast recording like the.
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She didn't. She doesn't sound like Julie Andrews, is what
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I'm saying. Yeah, And so then for the movie they
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go and they pick Julie Andrews, not Mary Martin. And
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Julie Andrews is a very young, very classic soprano, and
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since then the role is predominantly done by young classic sopranos.
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So it changed, and a lot of it changed because
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of the movie. So yeah, and that was even like
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while the original cast was still alive. It happened not
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that long after that. After that, the show came out like,
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this is not like one hundred years later we're going
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to change up everything. This is like while things are happening,
486
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so I can see like a case for no theater
487
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or as a living breathing thing, and we can adapt
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to what different people have. The flip side of that
489
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is I kind of wonder, like I think the best
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way to put it is in an analogy. In an analogy,
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there's a discussion completely unrelated to all of this that
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I've heard have the people about their physical type in
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terms of who they are attracted to. And I believe, yeah,
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we can all have types. We can all have like
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it can be as wide or as broad as you want.
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It is your own personal type. You can you can
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say no to whoever the hell you want exactly. But
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I do think that there is a thing where if
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your type matches up with all of the media that
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you are fed and you are not examining that, more
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power to you. But I'm gonna like, look this little
502
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.359
sidewy yeah, I get it. No, and it's not and
503
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.279
it's not meant to be. Like again, you can do
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whatever you want, you know, I'm just gonna sit here
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and like, you know, Okay, fine, whatever, And so I
506
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:12.759
look at that when people talk about like, well, why
507
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can't we have a new, different style, And I'm like, Okay,
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00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.119
why this specific style? Why is this the one that
509
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we are choosing. I am not saying you're wrong, but
510
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:26.839
it does seem to be that we're going to do
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this riffing style and there's no sort of examination of
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like why are we doing this in this show? And
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so I guess I think for me there is a
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question of who's making the choices and why. Although once
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00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.880
you get it to like it's it's fucking when you
516
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:50.839
when you're looking at high school theater half the time,
517
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.079
it's just like I need to get the people to
518
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:56.599
get there and get into their mark, or even in
519
00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:59.759
like actual community theater, even in like high end community theater,
520
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:03.039
there are people that it's just like, look, he got
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00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:05.480
to his spot and he sang and he was he
522
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hit his light and he sang all the right notes,
523
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and that's we are grateful for that.
524
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:17.640
M M. Yeah, no, I get it. Also, I mean
525
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I've been trying to think. Hm. One of the one
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00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.440
of the things that bothers me about the controversy of
527
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:40.599
this is that like riffing like that is more at
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00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:43.319
home in rock and R and B music, So there's
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kind of an underlying inherent racism to it. And I
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think had the song been altered to be more upbeat
531
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and like a use a call song, something that's a
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00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:11.400
much more European a white tradition, I don't think people
533
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would be as opposed to it. And you know, I
534
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:23.199
get I get, I get the idea of the the argument.
535
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It's like, that's not how the song is written. That's
536
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:29.519
not you know, there's certain license that you can take
537
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.519
with stuff, but when you alter it that much, it
538
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:39.559
like tips over. I get that argument, but I guess
539
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:43.920
I'm just looking at who is getting hurt. You know,
540
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:46.840
what damage does it do? And I don't think it
541
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:55.159
does really any damage because in my experience doing teen
542
00:34:55.239 --> 00:35:01.320
community theater back in the Stone Age, I know that
543
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:04.199
Feed the Birds comes in kind of later in the show,
544
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:11.119
and a teen production of Mary Poppins might be somewhere
545
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in the neighborhood of four hours. So if it wakes
546
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:18.920
the people up and makes them enjoy the show.
547
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.000
Yeah, the audience loved it. I have two things. Again,
548
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:23.880
it's talking out of both sides of my mouth. The
549
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first one is what you mentioned underlying racism, and I
550
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:35.880
thought there was an interesting thing of I don't know
551
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if this is if I think you could make a
552
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case for this not necessarily here, although this, I would
553
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:44.880
say is a symptom of a much larger problem if
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we are going down that road. I could be wrong.
555
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:50.920
I am just saying this. I'm not trying to be
556
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like this is the prescriptive or anything. I can see
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somebody making a case for white people doing rifts on
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songs that were not originally riffed is a form of
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00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:13.320
cultural appropriation, Okay, And that's mainly coming from I was
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not on Tumblr in twenty ten, but I was very
561
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adjacent to Tumblr of twenty ten, And I think you
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could make a case for it that way, just to
563
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kind of like balance out the like it's like like
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the underlying racism of people being upset. There's an underlying
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00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.920
racism of people doing that. But that goes into a
566
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:34.480
whole like that goes into like shit posting that like
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we don't have like we it's a lot. The flip
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00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:45.000
side of that, in the positive way is this doesn't
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change anything. No, no producer like is looking at doing
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a national, like an equity national tour of Mary Poppins,
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even a non equity tour of Mary Poppins where he's
572
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gonna be like, oh my god, you know what we
573
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have to do. We have to make Mary riff every
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single song. Yeah, Like nobody like like, this isn't going
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to change, Like the next Broadway revival of Mary Poppins
576
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is not going to have it's not going to be
577
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like rewritten to like that she has, like she can't
578
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:23.639
sustain a single note like it it's it's not it isn't.
579
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.280
This isn't changing the fundamental nature of the thing. Yeah,
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the thing being Mary Poppins.
581
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Yeah, no, I get yeah, I mean it's just it
582
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kind of happened in a vacuum, but it somehow got out.
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And whether it was you know, the young girl being like, hey,
584
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look this is a video someone took of me doing
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this thing, or somebody else being like, hey look at this.
586
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.519
You know, listen to this girl saying because she's got
587
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:50.719
a lovely voice. You know. However it got out and
588
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became viral, No one can say.
589
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:57.679
But it went viral and she couldn't feed the birds
590
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:02.400
because she ate and left no chromebs. But you shouldn't
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00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:04.960
even be feeding the birds bread anyway, because it's empty
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00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:10.320
calories for them. So like, geez, Mary sitting here like
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endorsing animal abuse. So yeah, so I think we solved that.
594
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We did. Let him solve our next problem. Okay, community
595
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.920
theater taking more risks. This might be something I know
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that I pitched this as like a thing for another
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00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:33.440
podcast that we're talking about, and so this is a
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conversation that's not going to end here. We're just going
599
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:37.800
to talk about it for five minutes. But there was
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00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:42.400
an on stage blog Matt Mark Mark Mark was on
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our podcast a while back. Oh, okay, yeah, Mark ban
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Bananni Banani.
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Yeah, yeah, I believe he was a warmer manager when
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I sold merch.
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00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.239
Yeah, isn't he the one who runs on stage blog?
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I don't think so. Oh he doesn't ghostlight, Oh my gosh, okay,
607
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.320
never mind, I mean he may have, he may have contributed,
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00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:10.119
but yeah, sure, I don't know how I got that
609
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into my head, but just gratch that, folks. Uh. But
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00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:20.760
on stage blog had a thing somebody wrote of community
611
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.079
theater needs to take more risks in picking their shows.
612
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And the community theater that I was at, the director
613
00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:30.079
was very upset about this because she was like, look,
614
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:31.960
we are hanging on by the skin of our teeth,
615
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:37.960
and so we can't do a season that's like I
616
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:43.440
don't know by Jupiter that one show that Cheetah Rivera
617
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was in where she was like a cockroaches and a typewriter,
618
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you know, like Marie Christine and like, you know, presenting
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the twenty six or the twenty seven twenty eight season,
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it's going to be Marie Christine by Jupiter come from
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Away and oh, I don't know, the Tupac Musical, like
622
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some sort of like things that nobody has ever heard
623
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.480
of that like even if they were on Broadway, did
624
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make it nominated for anything that maybe there's a cash recording,
625
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maybe there's not, like you know, and that goes into
626
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:26.280
something that I've kind of my thing on that is,
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I don't have an answer because I do think if
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you are in a place where you can take those risks,
629
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you should, And I don't know who that is anymore,
630
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.320
because there's not a lot of theaters I feel that
631
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:39.519
can take those risks.
632
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:44.960
Yeah, no, I get it, because it's even in community theaters,
633
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:49.119
it's very expensive to do and so they have to
634
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.039
charge for or for tickets, because where else is the
635
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:54.719
money coming from, unless say, you've got some huge endowment
636
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from a you know, an angel investor or something like that.
637
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And the thing is is that people, if people are
638
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:03.719
going to be spending money on something, they don't want
639
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:06.320
to be surprised. They don't want they don't want to
640
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:11.840
take a chance something that maybe they won't like. And
641
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:17.239
that's of course not an absolute I'm not saying that's great, uh,
642
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:21.360
you know down the line, you know, but for a
643
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.480
lot of people, for a hefty portion of the audience.
644
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:30.159
I mean, that's why revivals and musicals of based off
645
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:37.880
of movies have kind of taken over on Broadway because
646
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.920
the producers know, oh, people will come see uh I
647
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:48.880
don't know, a sound of music starring Uh I'm a stone,
648
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:51.960
I don't know, you know, just something like that. Get
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a star, get a familiar show, have everybody hum along
650
00:41:56.000 --> 00:42:01.280
in the audience, and you'll make a little bit of money.
651
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But yeah, I mean ideally, Yeah, that's another thing. People
652
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:12.480
are so idealistic, which is not a bad thing, but
653
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.719
it can be infuriating at times. It's like, oh, well,
654
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.760
they should have made the movie of that musical with
655
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:22.760
the original cast. Yeah, and I say, okay, well, if
656
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:26.159
you never want a movie musical to be made ever again, right,
657
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:29.880
because I'm very glad that you're a big fan of
658
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:33.239
the original cast. I'm glad you know who they are,
659
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.519
but not everybody does. And again, not everybody's gonna go
660
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spend their money to go see something that they don't
661
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.519
know anything about.
662
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.960
Well, like I mean with that, I like Wicked twenty
663
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:52.400
years after it opens on Broadway, So you already had
664
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:55.039
the discussion in Wicked do you cast for the first
665
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:59.320
actor for the second act and the original Broadway cast?
666
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I think made the wise choice to me of casting
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for the second act. And that's not always the case,
668
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:11.199
And so you got to have a big time jump
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and some real good cgi to put the original Broadway
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00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:18.599
cast in that movie. Yeah, in non in the in
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the original roles. Yeah, so it's not always available. But
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I also think here New York at least had a
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moment of a couple companies trying to do that. Encores
674
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sort of kind of does sometimes Yeah, they will do
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I mean, I mean, I do think so good they
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do a lot of that, but then they occasionally are like,
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we're going to do it into the Woods Revival and
678
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have it go to Broadway because and I think probably
679
00:43:57.320 --> 00:43:59.400
that's probably because we need a show to sell out,
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because it's a business. But like the past season they
681
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did they provide the Wild Party, which had not nobody
682
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:10.679
talked about since because probably because most people are like,
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00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:14.599
oh the lip ever, I might choose this better. That's
684
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:15.960
just me. We haven't done that episode yet.
685
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Yeah.
686
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I I also had like Jelly's Last Jam this past season.
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So did they're doing their World.
688
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.480
Not too long ago that has never been revived? I
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00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:33.119
don't believe. Yeah, but then you know, also do La Cage,
690
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which has been on Broadway thrice.
691
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:43.920
Yeah, yeah, okay, oh no, I'm just say.
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I I agree with you. It's still a business. They
693
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still need to do shows that even though the mission
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statement is to bring new life into shows that may
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have been forgotten, but if you do some something that
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people are familiar with. And I mean it was an
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Encore's production that the Chicago Revival, the longest running revival
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in Broadway history, came from. And I mean, perhaps they're
699
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:21.280
constantly trying to capture lightning in a bottle again, but
700
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.559
they can't plan for that. What they can plan for is,
701
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:29.880
let's get Jake Gillenhall and the original Audrey from Little
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00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:35.320
Shop of Hors to do Little Shop of Hors, you know, yeah.
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And that allows them to do stuff like there was
704
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a very star studded Mack and Mabel. Yes, that revealed
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00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:46.880
to me that that show is not fixable. The music
706
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:50.119
is absolutely wonderful, that that is not a fixable libretto.
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00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.400
But I was still glad to have been able to
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see a production of it. But I also know that
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00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:02.440
a community theater doing that production would kind of be
710
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:06.800
up the creek. Nobody knows it. The music is great,
711
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.320
but then like they're gonna sit there like you know
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00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:10.840
it was I'm Beck's gonna sit there and tell her
713
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:12.840
tell her friends, like, oh yeah, that was a really
714
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:17.119
good show about you know, a woman who falls into
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00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:24.760
drug abuse and a potential like abortion issue thing with
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Fatty Arbuckle. I don't remember. That was like actually in
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this that goes into a whole sad side category of
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00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.440
like the historical accuracy of Mac and Mabel pisses me off.
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No, I can't remember because it's been so long since
720
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:40.000
we did that episode. But I can't remember if I
721
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:45.559
told you my favorite story that springs out from around
722
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:50.360
the Mabel Norman Maxine story, which was there was a
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00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:56.599
guy that some people say that Mabel was romantically involved with,
724
00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:59.079
other people say that he was just a good friend.
725
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:04.159
But he lived in this bungalow in La and he
726
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:09.400
was found dead in his house. So the laughs never stop. No,
727
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:13.400
but nobody knows who did it, and I think to
728
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.400
this day it's still kind of an unsolved mystery. But
729
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.320
there was somebody who knew that the guy had like
730
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:26.079
not necessarily like a butler, but like, you know, kind
731
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:31.159
of a body man who was black. And this is
732
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.559
you know, as one of my favorite TikTokers say, this
733
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:41.840
is nineteen cigarette, so it's way back then. And so
734
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.559
this person was like, oh, well the black guy did it.
735
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:53.639
And they were so adamant about it that they it's
736
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.760
so stupid. They thought that they would scare him into
737
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:03.559
a confession by getting him to come to the grave
738
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:09.880
site of his former boss. And this guy had another
739
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:13.760
guy put a sheet over his head and rise up
740
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:20.440
from behind the headstone as a ghost and go ooh, confess, confess,
741
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:23.639
And the guy just looked at both of the people
742
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:28.760
and just walked away, just like this is absolute nonsense.
743
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:37.599
But it's it's such a weird story. Sorry, no, that that's.
744
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:43.840
It highlights the unfortunate nature of our society.
745
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:54.480
Oh yeah, yeah, they're terrible people and uh, but it's
746
00:48:54.679 --> 00:49:01.519
very similar to my experience going on Threads because I
747
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:05.000
just kind of go there to blow off my blow
748
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:11.440
off my liberal steam, and it's just the algorithm that
749
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:15.440
I have built is just seeing a lot of terrible
750
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:18.360
arguments from people who haven't thought them through.
751
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:27.239
Yeah, and yeah, I occasionally think about, like attaching my
752
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:31.360
Instagram to a thread's account because I like having the
753
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:32.039
social media.
754
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:32.800
But also.
755
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:38.599
I'm currently still on blue Sky, the website for thirty
756
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:45.280
eight year olds with no hobbies, and it is incredibly insufferable.
757
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:47.639
And then some people have it stuff like, oh, you
758
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:50.119
should check out Threads because there's more reality theater, there's
759
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:54.920
more artistic stuff, there's more whatever, like one of them
760
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:56.920
was in Like I wouldn't recommend this to anybody, but
761
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:58.880
like you might want to check out Threads.
762
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:04.559
I really enjoy Threads because my algorithm is dumb people
763
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:10.320
with stupid opinions and then dogs. Yeah, so it's it's
764
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:13.719
it can be a very lovely and supportive place and
765
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:21.159
then with that today there are people complaining about Sarah J.
766
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.159
Moss, and I was like, you know, you don't have
767
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:27.639
to read any of her books, right, Like, no one's
768
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:33.719
like forcing it. Because even understanding why they were yelling
769
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:37.000
at Sarah J. Moss, I'm just like, you know, you
770
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:40.480
don't nobody's if she's coming out with a new book,
771
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:43.599
no one's forcing you to like go buy it. Yeah,
772
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:49.320
in fact, you're giving her free publicity by yelling at her.
773
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:53.920
Maybe she's behind it and this is the way to
774
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.199
drum up interest in her book.
775
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.280
She's the one behind it, Sarah J.
776
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:03.679
I don't know what she writes, what does she.
777
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.559
I think she was one of sure. I wouldn't say
778
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:12.760
call her a pioneer, but she was. I started reading
779
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.880
some of her books before the term romanticy kind of
780
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:22.400
came oh okay into vogue amongst other people. I'm sure
781
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.639
there's somebody who can sit there and say, oh, this
782
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:27.079
is the exact point. And it was these authors, and
783
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:29.360
Sarah J. Moss came after them, and she's like, eh,
784
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:36.559
but I didn't really Well. The main author that I
785
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.599
had known before before Sarah J. Moss that did fairy
786
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:41.960
smut was Laurel K. Hamilton, and that was like two
787
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.880
thousand before even like romanticy was really defined as a genre.
788
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:51.480
So she's written a couple series. The one that I've
789
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:53.880
read is the entire Throne of Glass series, which is
790
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:59.000
about like and impossibly beautiful but she doesn't know it assassin,
791
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.639
who also is really good at the piano and dancing
792
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:06.800
and clothing and stuff. And then like throughout like nine books,
793
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.360
she gets like a fairy lord harem and they're all
794
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.599
like perfect with great hair and can control the weather,
795
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.280
and then she becomes like a goddess and then I
796
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:23.840
don't remember, Okay, it's like it's fairy Smutt, Dragon, fairy Smutt, fantastic.
797
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:27.840
She also wrote like a series that was like kind
798
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:31.760
of sort of not really beauty in the beast, okay,
799
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:35.119
like average human girls, Like I think I don't think
800
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.400
this started the trend, but it's most known for like
801
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:42.000
a court of Thorn and roses noun of adjectives and
802
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:46.880
verbs like you know, yeah, that sort of thing. So
803
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:48.920
she's she writes that stuff.
804
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:57.840
Okay, yeah, I had a name that just popped into
805
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.199
my head, Diana gambled on.
806
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:02.880
Okay, yeah, is.
807
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:05.920
She like similar to that a lot of a lot
808
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:07.800
of my knowledge of authors is because I used to
809
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:12.320
work at a bookstore. Yeah, I may not have read
810
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:17.760
their their genre, but I can remember Diana gab Gabaldon's
811
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:20.679
books were beautiful, like the cover art was gorgeous.
812
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:29.360
I think they are cousins cousins, cousins once removed, but
813
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:34.400
not necessarily in the same genre. Okay, Diana Gabaldon is
814
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:39.840
more historical fiction with or I don't even call it historical.
815
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:47.440
Diana Gabaldon is fiction based in the real ish world
816
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:53.719
with elements of romance, and I think romanticy is more
817
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:58.039
of romance with elements of fantasy. I would say, yeah, okay,
818
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:00.920
And that's not this is not the disparage any of
819
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:04.159
these genres, Like, yeah, that's just me trying to like
820
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.239
define it from what little I've read and done of it.
821
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:11.159
Because Diana Gavillon, I believe, gets explicit in the way
822
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:18.559
that romantasy does, but it's has a different feel it
823
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:25.320
when you're reading it, okay, as opposed to your typical
824
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:26.119
romanticy book.
825
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:28.000
Ok I gotcha.
826
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:31.559
Yeah already. So when you talk about movies and we're
827
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:34.679
talking about things, people can see our next thing that
828
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:37.559
I think is coming out a little bit, the concept
829
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:42.119
of pro shots. Oh yeah, because I six just came out.
830
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:43.880
Oh six came out. Oh I didn't know that.
831
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:46.840
Yeah, they had a I think I don't know if
832
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:50.239
it's been like, yeah, this summer has been like six
833
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:54.880
h six pro Shot was released in theaters Hadestown and
834
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:57.480
Suffs was also shown a PBS.
835
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:10.199
Yeah. Sorry, I saw my good friend Ali Benino, who
836
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:15.719
I adore. She shared a story which I cannot share
837
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:21.480
because she did it like friends only on Instagram. But
838
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.480
it was just like a story where she was like
839
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:30.760
somebody recognized her and didn't know where they recognized her from.
840
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:32.960
And she was like, well, did you see Stuffs on
841
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:35.440
Broadway or on PBS because I was in that And
842
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:40.000
they were like no, but there's more to it. I
843
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:40.920
can't I can't go into it.
844
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:43.960
But the movie. I was just introduced to this movie.
845
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:46.320
But have you ever seen a movie called The Impostors?
846
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:54.679
Oh? Without Oliver Platt? And yeah, who's the other one, Stanley?
847
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:57.159
Yes, I love that movie. I had never seen it
848
00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:58.840
before and I finally got to see it this past
849
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:00.800
weekend and just like the way that like, oh yeah,
850
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:03.119
we're in the theater, like, oh, is anything I would
851
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:04.880
have seen and they're like, oh, maybe.
852
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:15.760
Maybe. I think my favorite is I can't think of
853
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:21.440
the actor's name, but he plays like the German Oh yeah, yeah,
854
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:27.000
like matre D of the the Ship, but he's in
855
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:31.679
love with Lily Taylor. He's a well then whose character
856
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:33.920
name is also Lily, and just walks up to her
857
00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:37.639
because oh Lily, Lily, Lily Lily.
858
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:42.519
And so anytime she's like making googly eyes at the
859
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:44.840
other guy, like he just like shows up out of nowhere,
860
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:48.920
you know. Yeah, it was really I love that movie.
861
00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:54.360
Yeah, I really recommend but yeah, but I think from
862
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:58.800
what I've seen on TikTok that I think Hadestown is
863
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:02.960
really going to be a stepping stone and like changing
864
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:07.000
the game about the importance of pro shots and also
865
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:11.480
the accessibility of pro shots. I think if I don't
866
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:13.360
know how much money it made in the theaters, I
867
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:18.079
know it was very popular, so maybe producers are going
868
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:19.840
to be like, hey, there's a nickel to be made.
869
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:23.679
Yeah, let me go make that nickel. My thing with
870
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:25.760
the pro shots is kind of the I think my
871
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:32.199
biggest beef with it in general is the way people
872
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:37.400
talk about it. As a whole. Okay, Like what I
873
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:44.840
usually hear is this thing of every single show should
874
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:48.159
have a pro shot that's commercially available. And I'm also
875
00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:53.840
going to couch this in terms of accessibility issues and etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
876
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:58.239
It gives like this whole list down the line. And
877
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:09.079
my complaint with that is it's feeling very personal and
878
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:12.559
trying to make it sort of a universal thing, like
879
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:19.320
how many people are gonna I guess I'm just thinking
880
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:21.119
of like shows that I've seen or tried to see
881
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:26.280
or have whatever. You know, I don't think there is
882
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:28.920
a clamoring for a pro shot of Baby at two,
883
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:37.960
a tailor of two Cities, Showgun and musical. Uh. I'm
884
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:39.920
sure I could like find some others in my head,
885
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:42.719
but like there might be like five people clamoring for
886
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.639
a pro shot of Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson. But like,
887
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:50.039
I think I needed to be kind of understanding now,
888
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:53.039
I understand if if people were like I think, once
889
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:56.039
a show gets to a certain popularity, they should really
890
00:58:56.039 --> 00:59:00.639
start considering a pro shot. I agree with that, you know, like, uh,
891
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:02.880
should there be a proach or should there? Should there
892
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:07.119
have been a pro shot of death becomes her or
893
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:13.920
any of the Disney properties or those I can see
894
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:15.360
like a good case for them, but it gets kind
895
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:19.480
of presented in this sort of universal thing of no,
896
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:21.679
there has to be a pro shot for every single show.
897
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:23.199
And I'm like, even if you're looking at just like
898
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:24.960
sticking a guy in the back with the camera, that
899
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:29.119
still opens up a lot of questions that I don't
900
00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:33.719
know if we're ready to have that conversation. Who gets paid,
901
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:36.199
who gets paid, what, who gets paid paid? What percentage
902
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:39.920
is there? Royalties? Is the royalties to like the running crew,
903
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:45.760
is the royalties to the orchestra? And there is a
904
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:48.000
thing where like even like some of the pro shots
905
00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:49.719
that we grew up with, like that Into the Woods
906
00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:50.920
pro shot that I think is like a lot of
907
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:55.800
peoples interered in musical theater. Yeah, was the original cast
908
00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:59.360
coming back? Yeah, Like I think it was like the
909
00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:01.440
show close and then it was revived and then they
910
01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:07.320
brought the original cast back for pro shots. Something's that effect?
911
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:10.960
Like it was not Yeah, it was Yeah.
912
01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:15.159
I think you even have a story about Jack.
913
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:18.400
Yeah, because at the at the time that they were
914
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:24.400
going to film it for uh American Masters, or something
915
01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:28.920
or whatever h PBS show it was filmed for. He
916
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:32.800
was in college and he was supposed to do a show.
917
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:35.159
He was like casting a show in college, and he
918
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:37.079
kind of like sheepishly walked into the head of the
919
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.960
program's office and was like, they want me to go
920
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:43.840
back to Broadway for a little while so they can
921
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:49.400
film the show that I did. And kind of surprisingly,
922
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:51.840
you know, knowing the people from my college, they were like, go,
923
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:56.719
it's like we can, we can fill your spot with
924
01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:57.400
somebody else.
925
01:00:57.480 --> 01:00:59.360
That's fine, Go yeah, oh do it?
926
01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:09.199
Yeah, Ben Wright, Yes, yes, but yeah, no, I I
927
01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:10.599
completely agree, and there are.
928
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:15.719
Ye yeah.
929
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:19.440
I think those statements come from people who don't take
930
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:25.239
into consideration how much business is in show business and
931
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:29.119
and perhaps they think, yeah, just you know, set up
932
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:30.960
a couple of drones with a camera and we can
933
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:36.800
film it. And it's it's never to quote Malpian Shire,
934
01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:37.800
it's never that easy.
935
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:43.440
Ye. Well, it also means that shows like Margaritaville have
936
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:50.719
to build a pro shot into their budget. And I'm
937
01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:52.280
kind of leaving this a little bit of the wayside,
938
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:54.239
but I don't know how many people in our audience
939
01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:56.840
saw it, but there's there was a big thing that
940
01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:59.880
somebody wrote about Cat's the Jellico Ball that was based
941
01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:06.400
on saying the budget of the show doomed it to failure,
942
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:09.679
and I had some I'm not I don't remember all
943
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:11.559
the details, but it was basically saying, this is a
944
01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:14.239
problem not just with Cat's Agelica Ball, this is a
945
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:18.960
problem in theater and he didn't necessarily have fixed, but
946
01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:20.719
it was just sort of this, like, these are the
947
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:22.760
problems people are going to run into, and this is
948
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:26.079
the problem that Cats ran into, ran into, And it's
949
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:28.400
really difficult to see a show that's sold out like
950
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.679
ninety four percent of the run having to not just
951
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:37.880
closing but closing early. Yeah, and having to build in
952
01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:40.760
even if it's like another fifty thousand dollars, like a
953
01:02:41.039 --> 01:02:48.199
to your two people who are dealing with with with
954
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:50.239
the audio visual just to do like just just take
955
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:54.880
a camera in the back like that still is extra
956
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:56.760
things of where does that, where does that? Where does
957
01:02:56.800 --> 01:03:00.519
that come from? Exactly? Yeah, And there are there's to
958
01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:03.599
be had about where that should come from and who's
959
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:08.199
getting paid too much, yeah, or who's causing the budget
960
01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:08.719
to be in plated.
961
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:13.000
But yeah, I did see kind of along those lines.
962
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:16.559
And this was a year two years ago I don't remember,
963
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:25.440
but there was a person who it was a British
964
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:28.960
man and it was some show that was closing early,
965
01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:33.519
like similar story to the Cats thedlical Ball. But he
966
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:35.400
was like, you know what the problem is, Actors get
967
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:40.840
paid too much? And I'm like, oh, Darling, no, yeah, no, no, no, no,
968
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:46.199
Like once you take out all of the I mean,
969
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:50.559
first off, they're not making that much. And then secondly
970
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:53.039
they've got to pay equity, they've got to pay their agents.
971
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:55.039
If they have a manager, they've got to pay the manager.
972
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:00.800
They don't get all of that money. Yeah, as well,
973
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:01.840
they don't get to keep it.
974
01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:06.599
Yeah, And I think there's there's something to be said
975
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:12.039
there with who gets paid why, I don't know it's
976
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:13.519
going with that continue sorry anywhere.
977
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:19.119
And then also just living in New York, which since
978
01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:22.519
I've been here in the past sixteen years, it's just
979
01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:24.760
gotten more and more and more expensive. And it was
980
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:31.519
expensive to start with. So yeah, it's just I don't know,
981
01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:35.440
it's tricky, and I just I like, yeah, do I
982
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.119
want to see a pro shot of maybe happy ending?
983
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:41.480
Oh god, yeah, I've already I paid full price.
984
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:42.039
For my ticket.
985
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.760
I was very happy to do so. I loved watching it.
986
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:48.280
I would like to go back and see you know
987
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:54.400
who's in the show now. Also, I maybe want to invest,
988
01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:58.920
you know, buy stock and Kleenex because oh it makes
989
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:02.039
you cry. Yeah, I would love to revisit that. I
990
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:04.239
would love to be able to revisit that whenever I want.
991
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:10.119
There are so many but at the same time, like
992
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:15.079
even a two hand or musical uh, in a small
993
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:22.400
house on Broadway, they still have outlandish overhead.
994
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:26.880
Yeah, And I think that's why you end up seeing
995
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:28.400
a lot of pro shots coming out of out of
996
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:32.960
London because there is less overhead on the West End. Yeah,
997
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:36.599
so they will do a lot of stuff there. And
998
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:42.119
I I think my main thing with a lot of
999
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:51.559
these is there are pro shots out there. And if
1000
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:53.159
you want to put it in this sense of like
1001
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:55.239
every show should have a pro shot that I need
1002
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:58.039
to hear you talking about the ones that do MHM
1003
01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:03.000
and that. And the problem with that is not everything
1004
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:07.000
translates and not everything is good. Like I don't hear
1005
01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:09.599
anybody talk like a good example, I haven't heard a
1006
01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:11.320
lot of people talk about light in the piazza. Lady.
1007
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:14.400
I know for a while it was like the Darling
1008
01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:17.199
and Musical Theater. It was like when it was on Broadway,
1009
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:19.320
and then for you know, it's his show that like
1010
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:21.159
for a long long time I heard people talking about
1011
01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:23.400
and there is a pro shot out there. I don't
1012
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:25.599
know if it's available to actually get, but it was
1013
01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:29.880
released on PBS, which means it's easy to find on.
1014
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:34.159
Well not quite. It was Life from Lincoln Center. Oh yeah,
1015
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:37.639
you're right, and so like the rights and everything, like,
1016
01:06:37.719 --> 01:06:41.159
I don't think PBS could even rebroadcast it, right, But what.
1017
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:44.199
I mean is like anything to me that has gone
1018
01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:46.440
on TV, and especially in the past twenty years, you
1019
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:50.239
can most likely find even if it's not on YouTube,
1020
01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:54.719
there are other websites like yeah, what have you? Yeah,
1021
01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:58.199
So it's not like it's not like Carrie where you
1022
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:00.840
had to track down especially Carrie for YouTube, where you
1023
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:02.840
had to track down like somebody who had a video
1024
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:08.039
recording thing of the strap or whatever and then the
1025
01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:11.840
clone of the glone of a gloan of the glone. Right, Yeah,
1026
01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:15.159
but it's not something that I heard people a whole
1027
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:17.679
lot of people talk about. And the other thing with
1028
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:20.280
that is the pro shot that was Life from Lincoln Center.
1029
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:27.639
I don't think is great. Yeah, more in that maybe
1030
01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:30.400
great isn't the right term, but it doesn't translate. When
1031
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:35.119
I saw it at Lincoln Center, that musical was transformative there.
1032
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:39.440
Watching it on TV from Life from Lincoln Center, I
1033
01:07:39.639 --> 01:07:44.280
was like this, this is okay, it's pretty, but it
1034
01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:46.599
didn't have that. So I could see why somebody would
1035
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:50.000
not another show, another show that I that has a
1036
01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:52.280
commercial pro shot. Actually I'm assuming it so as I
1037
01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:54.920
happen to see I it's still available on Netflix. Diana
1038
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:59.039
the Musical, Oh yeah, that was some of the most
1039
01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:04.920
fun I have ever had in fear. Yeah it was stupid, No,
1040
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:11.679
I have no but half of that was the what's
1041
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:15.199
from the audience? Like I now, I saw it like
1042
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:17.880
towards the end of its run, so it was I
1043
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:19.520
think the closing it been announced. I don't think it
1044
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:21.439
was the last day. I'm pretty sure it might not
1045
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:22.800
even been the last week, but it was. It was
1046
01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:25.920
close to an ending. Like there were at least five
1047
01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:31.119
drag queens dressed up in various stages of Diana drag
1048
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:36.720
in the audience, like every number guy like ovations, like
1049
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.800
it was a beloved show and I have no idea
1050
01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:43.359
how that pro shot translates because you're not feeling the
1051
01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:49.279
same energy that was in the theater. Yeah, exactly. And
1052
01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:50.800
that's like kind of the one thing that I don't
1053
01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:54.199
think necessarily people quite Underestand and also I haven't heard
1054
01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:57.880
an even talking about Diana. Like, there's a number of
1055
01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:00.399
like very good musicals that have proshots out there that
1056
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:02.119
I don't hear people talking about. So when we talk
1057
01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:04.119
about pro shots and I'm like, are you watching the
1058
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:07.720
ones that are out there? And people say no, I'm like, Okay,
1059
01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:11.239
then why because you just told me that you think
1060
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:13.920
this should be a universal thing, but we're not engaging
1061
01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:19.279
with the shows that exist, Yeah, or even on Netflix.
1062
01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:22.159
I don't know if it's still there, but the Shrek
1063
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:29.239
pro shot, Yeah, I mean I think that for children
1064
01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:31.680
of this generation that's going to be there into the woods,
1065
01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:34.359
that's going to be Oh yeah, my mom would play
1066
01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:36.239
that for me on Netflix when I was little.
1067
01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:39.760
What was I.
1068
01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:46.319
It was a TikTok or yeah of this mother who
1069
01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:52.079
they have like the DVD of the Whiz Live m
1070
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:57.479
And it's something that she would play for her two
1071
01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:00.800
three year old daughter, and her daughter loves it so
1072
01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:03.399
much that they watch it all the time. She has
1073
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:09.880
her own Dorothy dress, and she while it's playing, and
1074
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:13.079
while the people on the screen are singing, she's marching
1075
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:20.520
around the living room singing along. And like there's kind
1076
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:23.239
of a series of videos of her doing this, and
1077
01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:26.279
somebody was like, you better show her the original version too,
1078
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:29.800
and so there's a video of her singing along with
1079
01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:31.920
Diana Ross and Ken Page.
1080
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:37.560
And speaking of that, there's like a whole thing as
1081
01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:40.039
much as musical theater purists, as we talked about in
1082
01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:43.079
a minute ago, no hate the movie of the Ways.
1083
01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:45.199
I know so many people that absolutely love the movie
1084
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:48.880
because it's what they movie. Yeah, it's what they knew,
1085
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:51.640
and so go ahead.
1086
01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:56.520
Oh and I was just like, it's interesting that there's
1087
01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:59.079
an age concern for the main character in both Hello
1088
01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:03.039
Dolly and The Way Is, but for people who weren't
1089
01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:08.000
there when they were being made, and maybe that's their
1090
01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:11.680
only experience with that particular show, nobody cares.
1091
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:16.000
Yeah. Well, a past guest from on the show, I think,
1092
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:19.640
which I can't remember what episode she was on, Molly,
1093
01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:25.840
she had talked about the movie version of Phantom of
1094
01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:27.600
the Opera came out when she was fairly young, and
1095
01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:30.800
that was her first for her first foray into Phantom
1096
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:33.640
of the Opera, and so she didn't know that that
1097
01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:38.520
she was supposed to be an issue with Gerard Butler singing.
1098
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:43.199
She was just like, there's this rather attractive man singing
1099
01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:45.359
a song in kind of a pop rock style. That's
1100
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:47.520
not the worst she's ever heard of. And she was like,
1101
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:49.840
he's an attractive guy and he's singing, and like, this
1102
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:51.680
is kind of I don't have a problem with this.
1103
01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:57.560
This movie seems fine. I'm enjoying the music, whereas like
1104
01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:02.880
everyone else was, like everyone else had been going up
1105
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:04.840
with the original cast recording, was kind of like, what
1106
01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:06.600
the hell is this? This is terrible?
1107
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:14.840
Yeah, it's it reminds me. John Lithgow was on some
1108
01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:21.239
podcasts that I was listening to and he tells the
1109
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:29.439
story of an orchestra and they're playing some obscure piece
1110
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:31.479
by like Revel or somebody.
1111
01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:36.680
And so like, and it's it.
1112
01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:40.119
It wasn't a piece that it was anyone's favorite in
1113
01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:42.760
the orchestra, and so they were all kind of like, uh,
1114
01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:45.479
you know, this is my job, but today it feels
1115
01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:48.119
like a job because I have to play this this piece,
1116
01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:54.239
and so the conductor said, I know that this piece
1117
01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:57.680
by Revel is not your favorite, but remember you're you're
1118
01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:01.319
playing for two people, someone who's first listening to this,
1119
01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:05.319
or the person for whom this is the first time
1120
01:13:05.359 --> 01:13:07.760
they're hearing it, and the person for whom it's the
1121
01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:13.760
last time there they'll hear it it. You know, we
1122
01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:14.279
used to have.
1123
01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:18.640
One of my ballet teachers used to have a thing
1124
01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:21.560
with that with the Nutcracker, you are going to get
1125
01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:23.760
sick at the Nutcracker. You probably already are sick of
1126
01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:28.119
the Nutcracker, but there are thousands of people out there
1127
01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:31.560
who come come see the Nutcracker every couple of years,
1128
01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:33.159
or have never seen the nut Cracker before, and this
1129
01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:35.039
is their first time, And so when you are doing
1130
01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:39.520
that performance, you still have to show up for the Nutcracker.
1131
01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:48.159
Exactly. Yeah, we're getting a little bit over.
1132
01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:51.079
We could have one last point, or you could just
1133
01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:56.039
tell people to watch my favorite year instead of making
1134
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:58.439
the whole talking point. But oh yeah, well.
1135
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:01.720
Yeah, because yeah, we were discussing this before we started recording,
1136
01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:06.560
where I am so happy about all the love that
1137
01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:13.319
the the revival of rag Time is getting. And I
1138
01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:17.239
always love stories about how much people love Tim Curry.
1139
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:21.520
And what people may not know, but if you're listening
1140
01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:24.720
to this you probably already know, is that there is
1141
01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:27.640
a musical by the people who wrote the music to
1142
01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:31.520
rag Time that stars Tim Curry, and it's called My
1143
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:34.800
Favorite Year. And it's a show that I absolutely love
1144
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:38.880
and will probably never be revived because it has a
1145
01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:40.039
cast of sixty million.
1146
01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:44.159
Was Evan Papas and that at all.
1147
01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:48.439
Yes, he played the lead Benjamin h oh. And that's
1148
01:14:48.439 --> 01:14:52.880
another weird thing about My Favorite Ear is that the
1149
01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:57.000
main character's name is Benjamin Stone, which is also a
1150
01:14:57.159 --> 01:15:01.520
character in Folly's and also in a Michael J. Fox
1151
01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:09.600
movie called Doc Hollywood. He's doctor Benjamin Stone. Oh yeah, anyway, sorry.
1152
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:12.039
Isn't it also a character in the City of Angels
1153
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:12.640
Or is that?
1154
01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:15.960
Oh I don't know what Stone's first name is. Okay,
1155
01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:19.840
but yeah, there there's the character Stone. But but my
1156
01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:21.600
whole thing is that if I can get somebody to
1157
01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:26.800
get turned on to My Favorite Year. The original cast
1158
01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:30.880
is Tim Curry, Evan Poppus, Laney Kazan reprising her role
1159
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:37.720
from the original movie, Katie Finneran two time Tony Award
1160
01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:41.159
winner Katie Finnern and Andrea Martin, who wanted Tony for it.
1161
01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:47.079
It's it's I've never seen it live, so the book
1162
01:15:47.199 --> 01:15:50.680
may not be fantastic, but but it might be great.
1163
01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:55.600
Who knows it was done at Lincoln Center. But the
1164
01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:59.560
music is so much fun and it's it's so great.
1165
01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:02.199
So yeah, if you don't know my favorite year, go
1166
01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:04.279
listen to it. Maybe we'll do that as a as
1167
01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:04.600
a show.
1168
01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:08.279
When for one of them, I think so too. I'm
1169
01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:11.039
trying to remember. I know I've seen clips of it,
1170
01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:17.239
and I think I'm combining it with right now, my
1171
01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:20.800
brain is can my brain regularly confuses my favorite year
1172
01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:21.760
with the most happy Fella?
1173
01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:25.520
Oh okay, that started Tom Bosley?
1174
01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:27.119
Yeah, I think did it?
1175
01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:27.600
Yeah?
1176
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:29.279
I don't remember, but yeah, still.
1177
01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:31.920
It was Firello who was most happy Fella.
1178
01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:34.000
Let's let's look it.
1179
01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:37.800
Oh my gosh, my brain is Swiss cheese lately.
1180
01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:44.840
Happy fella in nineteen fifty six musical It's Lesser? Who
1181
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:48.840
is the Oh there's a long, big cast. It started
1182
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:52.760
out at the Good Spread Opera House. Just why does
1183
01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:56.000
this not tell me what the cast is? I mean,
1184
01:16:56.039 --> 01:16:58.600
it tells us who it was, not for Tony's but
1185
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:05.720
New York City Center Western Production. Original by production had
1186
01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:13.720
Robert Wheedle Weed, Joe Sullivan, art line, Susan Johnson, Shorty
1187
01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:23.800
Long Herman, and Mona Poli, Xena Bethune. Yeah, that seems
1188
01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:28.439
to be kind of it, okay. Original production was partially
1189
01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:31.279
bank rulled by Lucio Paul and Desi arnez.
1190
01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:34.960
Oh and then they did Star Trek.
1191
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Yeah. Yeah, good, good point introduction anyway. Yeah, sorry, I'm
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getting sidetracked, nod.
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I remember also listening to an interview with Andrea Martin,
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and I think it was her Broadway musical debut, though
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she had done musical theater before. She was in that
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legendary guy Spell from the seventies.
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But she.
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Said that a friend of hers, who was also like
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a theater columnist or critic or something like that, came
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to see a run through because he had to go
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out of town and wouldn't be there for the opening,
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but they invited him to this dress rehearsal, and he
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said that he left the first few people that you know,
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he saw, the friends of his that he saw, He said,
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I just saw the next the next Tony winning performance
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for Best Actress Best Supporting Actress in a Musical talking
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about Andrea Martin and told her the story and she
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was like, Oh, no, this is just you know, something
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I'm doing. I'd be you know, happy if they accept me.
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And then she won the Tony Yeah, and then she
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said that every project afterwards she's like, will this get
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me another Tony?
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I mean she should, she deserves Tony's.
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I adore her anyway. So yeah, that's my little bit.
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If I can turn somebody onto my favorite ear, then
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my mission in life is complete.
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Yeah. I think there's a lot of shows out there
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like that, but I try to push and it goes
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with like the community theater taking risks things I don't
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necessarily I don't think every community theater should, but I
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do think that if it is in your budget, maybe
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take a look at it. Like I'm having one of
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the theaters that I'm involved with a lot, like I've
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been trying to push them to be Like there was
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a conversation where call me Madam was deemed a little
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bit too obscure and I was like really, but also
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at the same time, like we had problems. We ended
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up doing well, but it was a very rough cell.
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She Loves Me for some reason was a rough cell
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and I'm not sure why, and I don't know how
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much of that was other things going involved. So I
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can see like, if you are having a rough time,
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sell that. And the idea of doing calm me, madam
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is a little bit like m maybe we should do
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something more like crowd pleasing. Actually, and all this is
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reminding me of I brought this up before. I think
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maybe I should put it in whatever movie and I
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so that's a bit depressing. It's not depressing. It's a
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very serious movie. It's called Illuminata. It's John Taturo, Susan Sarandon,
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a whole bunch of other stuff, and it's John Taturu
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and Susan Sarandon are have it's turned to the Sentry
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and they have competing theaters. Okay, yeah, And at one
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point in time, John Taturre's wife, we believe it's played
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by his in real life wife. They're arguing because he
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wants to do his like new play, and she's like, no,
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we need to do an Ibsen revival. We need to
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do people will pay for that, and like the owners
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of the theater are some guy who's probably famous and
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also Beverly de' angelo, and they're like, no, we should,
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like we're not making any money, we need to like
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do an Ibsen revival. So finally he just yelled at them.
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He was like, well, go to them and tell them
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I am the great Rachel. I am here for Ibsen
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and sausage. Like, oh, so, yeah, sometimes you need to
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get your Sometimes you need your Ibsen and sausage exactly.
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Yeah, hmmm, maybe there's way because like if it's a
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community theater that has their own space and can say
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what happens at their own space, like yeah, then maybe
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every couple of months you just get a few actors together,
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some chairs and just do like a not a state
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a full staged reading, but like just have them read
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through the script in front of an audience, you know, with.
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A piano, and like that could give me like a
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that could be like a cheaper donation thing that exactly.
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Or if if you are doing well enough, this is
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and that takes a lot of community theaters off of
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the thing. But if you have your come from aways
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in your Anastasia's and your shows that are gonna sell out,
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and you have like four slots maybe one year and
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it doesn't have to be every year, maybe one year,
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there is a thing of like, you know what, this year,
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we're gonna try something different. We're gonna do the Golden Apple.
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We're gonna do call me Madam. We're gonna do something.
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And I think there's a marketing place to say of
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like this show has not been put on stage since
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like nineteen fifty four, you know, so we're gonna try
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something new and like really push it. And if you're buying,
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if you're near enough to New York, there are a
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whole bunch of theater students who don't who have a
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copy of Not since Carrie, who might want to come
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see it. Like I know, I heard of a bunch
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of people talking about, like could they afford to go
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up to Maine to see a production of City of Angels?
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Oh?
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Yes, because they're doing that on gun Quit right, yeah,
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gun Quit Playoffs. Actually I just saw a post LaTrece
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Royale is traveling up there just to see the show.
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Oh wow, because that's where she did Little Shop last
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last year. Okay, that's also the places like two three
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summers ago they did a little night music and they
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did like a little promo, real commercial that they would
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put on social media and they let Ai caption it
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so they show a bit of the I forget who
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the actresses that was playing Desiree, but she was singing
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sending the clowns, and it gets to the line don't
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you love Farce? But the AI heard it as don't
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you love farts? Oh no, I have a screenshot of it.
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It's one of my favorite things.
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Sounds like it.
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I mean that tickles me. Anyway, we've we.
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Go ahead finished ever since?
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Oh no, I'm just saying that we've we've chatted a
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long time about.
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And we've had a lot of things to think about.
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We we've talked about stuff. We've solved all the problems
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of theater, every last one. From now on, the billionaires
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will all be theater people.
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And no show we'll have. That's yeah, I can't even
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do that with straight face, but yes, we do hope
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that there's been some things to think about. We do
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have other stuff, actual episodes planned for later this this
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year or so. I know we're coming up to fall,
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and that's usually like as we get closer to into
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the year. But it's been it's been a year, but
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we're still we're still here, We're still trucking, we are
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still moving on or something exactly. I was going to
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make a musical theater reference and everything about moving on
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and just moved out of my head. So I'm sure there's.
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I had something that I was like, a point that
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I was great to make. It I was very proud of.
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I have no idea what it is right now. It's
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only been like thirty seconds since I thought.
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Either don't get old or don't hang out in the humidity,
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so exact one, exactly.
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All right, But it's been a it's been a real
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pleasure chatting for y'all.
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Yeah, if you like us, please leave a five star
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01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:38.840
review in rating. Our email is in the notes and things.
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01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:41.880
If you don't send an email and don't leave it,
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I don't leave a review. Tell us what's wrong with
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01:25:45.319 --> 01:25:46.600
this personally? Yes?
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Tell us about how much you hate our mothers.
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01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:53.039
Yes, Or tell it to your friend and not.
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And not to him.
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Yeah, and all though, sorry, oh oh this is the point.
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Oh sorry.
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One last thing promise, Because I had made a video
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a few years ago and I've reposted it several times
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where I playing like the head of a like a
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regional theater or a community theater. I hadn't really decided
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when I made the whole thing, and the whole intention
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of it really was noticing that a lot of sometimes
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sometimes theater will try to be edgy by including naked
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people on stage. And so I created this character Charles
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Grodan spelled like Charles Groden, and he's saying, what the
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next season's gonna be. Oh, it was like I made
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it in twenty twenty two because it was after is
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when things were starting to open back up again after
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the pandemic. And so the first show was, you know,
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like all about nuns, but there's full male nudity, and
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the next show is about other things but full male nudity,
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and then our spring musical Annie. So it kind of
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goes along with with what we were talking about anyway.
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That that's what that's the thought that and I'm glad
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I shared it.
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I agree. So if you are having difficulty pitching your show,
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you should include full mail nudy.
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Full male nudity always works. Yeah, And on that note,
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let me just say
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Thank you of five