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This week's Teaching Middle School ELA podcast episode: The fastest way to feel less overwhelmed in your middle school ELA classroom is not a new curriculum or a stricter rule. It’s a better system for all the tiny tasks that steal your attention while you’re trying to teach. Caitlin and Genevieve share a practical approach to classroom jobs that focuses on reducing teacher cognitive load, tightening classroom procedures, and giving students meaningful responsibility without creating a complicated job board you have to manage.
The takeaway is simple: find the friction in your room, start small, and build one routine that actually sticks.
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Hi there, ELA teachers.
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Caitlin here, CEO and co-founder of EB Academics.
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Well, hello, teachers, and welcome back to another episode of the Teaching Middle School ELA podcast.
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I am really excited because today we're talking about classroom jobs, and not necessarily in the way that you might think.
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We actually have two episodes that we are recording for you and airing for you focused on classroom jobs.
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One is airing this week, the next one is airing next week.
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And they're both stemmed from a question that we recently asked inside of our EB teacher community, which is our professional learning community.
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And we do this like Sunday Spark conversation where we ask our teachers like a very pointed question about anything and everything, kind of for the most part.
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And the question that these two episodes came from was what's the most helpful or unexpectedly genius classroom job that you give to your students?
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And as a team, when we started reading through the responses, we realized there were really like two different types of conversations happening when it comes to classroom jobs.
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There were some classroom jobs that were hilarious and like incredibly creative classroom jobs, which we're going to talk about in our next episode.
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But there were also some really smart systems that our teachers had developed and shared within these responses.
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So teachers were kind of handing off those repetitive little tasks that take up time or interrupt instruction or just add one more thing to like their cognitive mental load for the day.
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So what we did is we created these two different episodes.
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The first one, I have Genevieve here with me today.
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And we're starting the side of the conversation that is like those repetitive little tasks situations.
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So, Genevieve, welcome back to the podcast.
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It's good to have you here.
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Thank you.
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I'm so happy to be back and talking about this.
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So if you don't know who Genevieve is, she is our membership manager.
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And she also just did an onboarding call with one of our school partnerships today for the first time, which I know is exciting for you.
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How'd that go?
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Yeah, it was great.
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I got to talk to teachers about EV, which I love to do, um, you know, and show them all the amazing things that we have in our portal, which I also absolutely love.
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I use it every day in my own classroom, you know.
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So it's great to be able to talk about it.
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Yeah.
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I'm glad that you mentioned the portal because I actually wrote this note to the team.
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I think it was on Friday, maybe it was on Monday.
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And I was in the portal looking for something and recording YouTube videos, and I needed a resource.
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And we have been working on the portal so much for the last two years and just like constant development, working with our developers, like improvements, features, all of this stuff.
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And I hadn't really taken a true moment to like step back and appreciate what we had built.
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And I'm in there on Monday, totally removed from like the building process and really just able to enjoy the user process.
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And the portal's really, really cool.
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It's really, really cool.
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I love using it.
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I love getting to school in the morning.
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And the first thing I open is my portal.
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And I just like marvel at all the features it has.
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Like it tells me what standards I have taught and what standards I still need to teach.
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Like that is so cool.
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I know.
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It's amazing.
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And that was actually an idea from Evan, our developer, that didn't even come from us internally as a team.
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He's like, Well, what if we could do?
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I was like, Yes, please, let's do that.
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Yes.
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Absolutely.
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We love Evan.
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So if you are not an EV teacher and you have no idea what the heck we're talking about, our portal is our membership for middle school English language arts teachers in grades five through eight.
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We open periodically throughout the year.
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If you want to add your name to our priority list, you can go ahead and do that by going to eBteacher.com forward slash portal.
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But if you are an EV teacher, you know exactly what we are talking about.
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But that's not what today's episode is about.
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Today's episode is about classroom jobs that are going to make your day so much easier.
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So, Genevieve, let's talk about some of the responses that our teachers shared.
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When you looked through all of these responses, what stood out to you?
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Yeah, uh, I think something that really stood out to me were how many of these jobs that they were talking about weren't really giving about giving kids just like these cute little classroom jobs, right?
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Just to fill up time or space or, or you know, just to give them something to do.
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Um, they were really about teachers identifying these little repetitive tasks that constantly eat away our time and attention.
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And those teachers have created systems that now they don't have to personally manage every single thing happening in their classroom, right?
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So they're using these jobs intentionally to help their classrooms run smoother.
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And so when you look at all the responses that way, there were some genius ideas.
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Totally.
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And when we go through them today and next week on the podcast, I don't want you to be listening to this and think like, oh my God, I got to do all of those things.
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My suggestion would be to start with one or two, get them like into such a routine in your classroom that they just become habitual and then add another one and another one and so on and so forth.
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So pick like your favorite one that you feel like is gonna alleviate the most cognitive load from you because that is the thing that I think we as teachers struggle with the most, is just like everything that's in our brains that it is if we can get attendance off of our plate, right?
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Like let's just do that.
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I cannot, I'm the worst.
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I was the worst at attendance every single day.
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Why do we suck at it?
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It was so hard for me.
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I don't know, but I was the same.
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I still am.
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I have an attendance alarm.
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I have a kid who reminds me, and sometimes I still can't get it on to me.
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I love it.
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But we're works in progress.
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Yes, that we are.
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Okay, so let's start with what is something teachers are managing themselves that could potentially become a student system?
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Yeah.
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And I want to go back to your comment um that you just said about, you know, don't try to do them all at once.
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You know, most, most of the best classroom jobs um were born out of this, like, I can't do it all and I just need one thing to go right.
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And I literally stopped class and was like, who wants to be our person who closes the classroom blinds, you know, because the sun is filtering and half the kids can't see the board?
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And a kid raised their hand.
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I was like, great, you're the classroom blind closer.
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Like, that's your job, you know?
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And and that was it.
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Um, so yeah, definitely use these like to help take the load off.
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Okay, I think one thing going back to attendance, um, that was something that really that a lot of our teachers said really helped them.
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And I'm gonna be honest, I laughed also when I saw this response because, like I said, I'm that teacher as well.
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Um, but one of our EV teachers, uh, Alicia, said that she has to take attendance every hour.
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She forgets, and then her principal calls her, which I have also had that happen to me.
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So I understand.
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So she has an attendance monitor whose job is simply to remind her.
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Um, and I think that's really powerful because you know, you're not giving this a student the full job of like taking attendance and and making sure, you know, they know who's here and who's not, just to remind her.
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You know, it can be a simple so and miss so and so.
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Have you taken attendance yet?
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Can you imagine having to take attendance every hour?
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I know that's I could not one one time a class period is is hard enough for me.
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So this is a really great job for her, right?
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Because, you know, like that kid is probably already watching the clock anyway.
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And now they have a job to do.
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So I love it.
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Um, another teacher said that um they have an attendance assistant who marks a laminated roster to show who's present or absent.
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So that's really nice.
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You they can use it, reuse it over and over.
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Um, you know, and obviously we still have to follow our school's attendance procedures.
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And we as a teacher are ultimately responsible for making sure that all of all of our attendance is accurate.
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Um, but you know, like I said, even if it's you even if the student's only job is to say, hey, we need to do attendance, that's one less thing that I have to hold on to in my brain.
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And then I actually have to do it because that's where my alarm comes in.
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And totally.
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Well, and I'll keep reminding me.
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Well, exactly.
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That's exactly what I was gonna say, right?
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We have alarms, we have post-it notes, we have it written on the arc, like I always told my students, write it on your forehead so you see it in the mirror every single day so that you don't forget.
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But for me, it's like I would always tell my students, you're not bothering me or patronizing me to make sure that I take attendance.
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Like, I need you to keep harassing me until it actually happens because they'll be like, Have you taken attendance yet?
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And you're like, no, not yet.
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Let me go do that right now.
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And then sure enough, something comes up and you're over here and then over there.
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And 10 minutes have gone by and you still haven't taken attendance.
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So it's like my student at least would be responsible for making sure I picked up the actual phone and called the front office and submitted my attendance, right?
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It was like Mrs.
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Miss Mitchell needs to actually go through the motions of walking over to that part of the classroom and doing it.
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Otherwise, I'm gonna keep bothering her until she does that.
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So it's like they're kind of the boss of you, which is great.
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They love that.
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Um, and that's really an issue, right?
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It's not necessarily that taking attendance is difficult.
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It's just like there's so much cognitive load that's happening in our brains.
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Exactly.
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You're doing all the things and then you still have to take attendance.
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So, you know, that one that one simple system just takes it out of your brain.
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Totally.
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Um, so dealing with absent students came up several times too on this post inside of our EV teacher community.
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What are teachers doing there with absent students?
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Yeah, this is great because you know, an absent student, there's so much that goes into a class period.
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They ask, what did I miss?
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Was there a paper?
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Where do I get it?
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What did we do yesterday?
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Yes, our class, you know, went on without you and all of the things.
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You need all of the things.
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So one of our EV teachers, Beth, chooses to substance substitute students who keep track of all the classwork and homework for absent students and fill out fills out an absent sheet.
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Um, one of our other EV teachers, Rebecca, has an absence manager who collects papers for the absent students and puts them into a folder, which is something I do as well.
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And that is perfect.
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It's so helpful.
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And then this one was my favorite.
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Someone else called a similar job the while you were out valet, which might be my favorite name.
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I don't know if it just makes it fancy.
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Totally.
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I love it.
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And I did the same thing, especially in middle school, like where they are switching classrooms and you only are their English teacher, but maybe you're also their homeroom teacher, right?
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So that you're responsible for getting the homework from all of the other classes, or at least I was in my school, and that's how it was structured.
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And so, like, I don't know what's going on in science, I don't know what's going on in math, and I'm not about to make it my responsibility for this absence student to go find and track down the other teacher's homework assignments and all that stuff.
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So I would have, let's say, um, I don't know, I'm trying to think of one of my Livvy was one of my most helpful students.
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She had the absence sheet, had each of the different subjects folder to put all of the assignments in.
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And then at the end of the day, she just handed it to me.
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And the parent of that child, a lot of the times just came and picked it up so that they could go do it at home before they even came back to school the next day.
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And it was like they never were even out.
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And I know that's not the case.
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Obviously, for a lot of students, they don't have necessarily a parent or a guardian who can come pick up the schoolwork.
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But if that's available to you, that's super helpful.
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And then when the student comes back the next day, even if they couldn't have their homework picked up the day before, their classwork picked up the day before, they still have it all in a folder.
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It's ready to go.
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You know, it just makes it a heck of a lot easier to put a student in in charge of that.
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And you just want to obviously pick a largely responsible child for that particular role.
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What is it that you liked so much about the systems in terms of substitute or not substitute students?
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Well, yeah, substitute students rather the absence managers.
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What were some of your favorite things?
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Yeah.
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Um, I really like the consistency.
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So instead of getting to the end of the day and realizing, oh no, Maria was absent.
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What do I need to collect for her?
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Like the class is already over.
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My brain is moving on, right?
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Um, the system just kicks in, someone's absent, a student picks up the materials, they go to the their designated place, the folder for you for me.
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I have a binder in the back of the classroom, and the substitute student just puts it in the back in the binder.
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The student returns to school and they know exactly where to look.
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Like there's not all of the five million questions.
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So we're eliminating some of those, some, hopefully, of those what did I miss yesterday questions?
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Because the answer becomes go check the system, right?
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Go check the folder.
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Here's your folder, go check the binder, go talk to so-and-so, our substitute student.
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Um, you know.
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So that's what I love.
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One of the things that I would do is like my absent manager or my substitute student or my while you're out valet, whatever you would like to call them, um, I would actually have them sit next to the absent student's desk.
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So I'd have them move.
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And we would, when we passed out papers or did anything, I had my class put the papers on the absent student's desk.
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And because the absent monitor or whomever they are, that job, they would just collect the papers right then and there.
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And, you know, so it just made it so much easier.
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So it wasn't like, oh, we have to remember to go get the handout for Genevieve because she was absent, all that type of stuff.
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So, like just like little nuanced elements of organization to make things more efficient makes your life a heck of a lot easier as a teacher because at least for me in the you know, um areas that I was working in, I had a lot of students who are on the ski team and would travel up to Tahoe for the weekend and they leave on Thursday.
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And so they're going Thursday, Friday, like six weeks out of the year to go on the ski team.
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And I'm like, I'm not, I can't make accommodations for that.
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Um, and so just having this in place, it's like I don't even have to think about it.
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And it just became this routine aspect of my classroom that was super helpful.
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Yeah, I love that.
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Um, okay.
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What was there one thing that when you were looking through the comments that you thought, like, okay, that idea could legitimately save me time every single day.
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Yes, Nicole's paper collector.
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So at first that sounds like a completely normal classroom job, right?
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But her system was different.
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So she trained her student monitor to collect everyone's paper in number order in under a minute.
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That is genius, and then put them in the basket.
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So when she gets those papers, they're already organized.
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I love it.
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Super smart.
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Yeah, so smart.
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So we're not just solving the immediate problem of getting papers from students to the basket.
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We're also making the next task easier, you know?
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And I think that's where our zone of genius lies.
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Like when we can make the next task easier for ourselves, that is what we're looking for.
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Um, can I make one routine solve two problems?
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Sure, maybe it only saves me three minutes that day, but three minutes, multiple classes, multiple times a week over an entire school year, like that adds up.
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Um, so I really loved Nicole's uh paper collector idea.
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Yeah.
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I'm gonna add something to this because this is one of the things that I will toot my own horn here for a moment that I was really good at ensuring that students' papers were collected and passed back properly.
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I actually have a whole YouTube video about it called How to Collect and Pass Back Papers.
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And this actually came from my friend Christine Nanini, who I think is a young teacher love from like a hundred years ago, back in the OG days of um like teacher blogs, like literally what year, like 15 years ago.
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Oh my God, I cannot believe we're that old.
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I hate saying that.
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I really hate saying that a lot.
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Okay, but also thank you, universe, for allowing me to be 40, right?
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Gratitude at the same time.
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Um, but I loved this system because I had these like um hanging folders in the back of my classroom that were all numbered, right?
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Because I taught multiple uh class periods.
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So I couldn't put their names on it, it had to be their numbers.
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And when students finished an assignment, they put it into their folder.
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And so my paper collector would just literally collect them in order out of those file folders and uh put them in a whatever clip and put them on my desk.
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And also anytime that I wanted to pass back stuff to my students, I had a file folder that was like a plastic thing that I like with hanging files in it that as I graded stuff, I just put them into those folders and I didn't have to remember to pass them back because my paper passer and paper collector would pass them back on Friday.
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And it was like just these whole little systems just like start to operate smoothly.
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And also, like if you have a student who loves doing it and no one else wants to do it, don't change the job.
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Just let them keep being a paper collector for the rest of the school year.
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Like, you know what I mean?
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We don't have to change jobs unless it's something that everyone's like pining for.
00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:53.440
That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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Um, I use your system.
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I use the first half of your system, like the numbering, and I loved it, except for I stopped using it because I always forgot that they were there.
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So I don't have a paper collector.
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I have my students hold their papers in the air and I just go around like collecting because I tell them if it's not in my hand, it does not exist.
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Are you like a slightly type B personality, maybe?
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I don't know.
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In some things I'm type A, like gotta get it done, it's gotta be perfect.
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And then some things it just, I don't know, like what is it?
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It's some kind of spatial awareness thing.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I have an issue with.
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So that's so funny.
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That's so interesting.
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But I really loved the when it when it worked, when I remembered it was perfect because my paper collector was great at it, like perfect.
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I love it.
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That's so funny.
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Okay, another thing that came up were materials.
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That was another big category.
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So, what systems did our teachers have for those for materials?
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Yeah.
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So Fraulein has a supplies manager, and only that student is allowed to hand out pencils.
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Fraulein sharpens the pencils ahead of time, they're ready to go, and then the supplies manager distributes them and then she changes the person weekly, you know.
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And and you can like to your point, Caitlin, you can change the person.
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But if it's working, nobody else wants to do it, like keep that that student can do the job the whole year if needed.
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There's no reason to change it.
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Um, but back to from line supplies manager.
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I like this because the system isn't actually about the pencils, it's about movement and interruptions, right?
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Kids aren't getting up to sharpen pencils.
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That is my pet eve.
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I don't even have a pencil sharpener in my classroom.
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Yep.
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I got rid of it too.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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They're not wandering around the classroom, they're not talking to their friend as they get up, they're not interrupting instruction.
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You know, so her system, her supplies manager, gets rid of all of that and um, you know, just kind of gets rid of everything.
00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:57.839
Um other teachers mentioned that students can manage notebooks, textbooks, classroom libraries, book carts, et cetera.
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Um, and so, you know, I don't think everyone needs to go and create all of these jobs.
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Think about what materials create friction in my classroom.
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So for me, it's workbooks.
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I love our workbooks, our EBW workbooks.
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Um, but as you know, they're stored in one place and then like 20 students all going to the same place, like there's gonna be shenanigans happening, right?
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So I've got my dedicated student who's gonna grab the workbooks at the beginning of class.
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And as my students are writing in their planners and as they are um doing this um typing, they're doing typing or quill or some grammar thing on the on the laptops.
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My workbook, pastor, out.
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I don't even have a name.
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They just workbook the workbook.
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Exactly.
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I should rename it to supplies manager.
00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:47.920
Thank you, Fraulein.
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Um, so that was the one that really created the friction for me, right?
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But we use them every day and we need to use them and I love using them.
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And that's the one that that um my student passes out.
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So totally.
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And I I do think you're right.
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It's about making sure like what creates friction in my classroom specifically.
00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:27.599
And I remember when I went from teaching high school and middle school to teaching fifth grade, it was very different because the fifth graders really needed a lot of help with like that executive functioning stuff and like just basic things of like how to get your backpack like a civilized human being and not like throwing your backpack into the you know, classroom closet or whatever it might be.
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And I remember I started implementing end of the day, sustained silent reading for 10 minutes.
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And as they were reading, I would um what's the like not dismiss, but I would like call on a table at a time and that table would go get their backpacks without literally without talking.
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Like there was no talking.
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And if you're if your table didn't talk, your table got points, right?
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Yep.
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So it's this whole thing of like just finding ways to, at least for me, like I I struggle with um like some.
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Processing stuff, like too much noise is really hard for me.
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Too much movement's really hard.
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The way that things feel, I'm pretty sure like I have a processing situation going on.
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And um, it was too much for me at the end of the day with all of them talking and moving, and I didn't know who wrote their homework down.
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And like as a fifth grade teacher, you have to be responsible for a lot of that stuff because they just don't have that skill set yet.
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Whereas in eighth grade, if you don't write your homework down, bro, you're you're SOL, you know.
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Um, yeah, I didn't say it.
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I just used an acronym so we don't have to put an explicit on this situation.
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Um, but just like that was something I needed for my classroom.
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Whereas another teacher might that might not work for them, right?
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They might like the chaos.
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Like I have a friend, Miana, who's like, I want to go to every party that has like like I don't want to miss a party.
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I'm like, please don't invite me to the party.
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Like, I don't even want to be invited because I don't want to have to say no.
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You know what I mean?
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So we just all have our like own unique personalities as teachers.
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And so there are some things that are not gonna bother you that are gonna bother other teachers.
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And so you want to figure out like, what is it that's creating friction in my classroom specifically that is bothersome to me that could be done more efficiently.
00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:13.359
Um, okay, what other repetitive classroom logistics can teachers hand over to our students?
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Yeah, this is one that I really love.
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Um, we had several teachers with a designated runner.
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So one student who can take something to the office, to the workroom, to another classroom, wherever that object or item needs to go.
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Um, I use this a lot.
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You know, it's usually the student who's done before everyone else, maybe the student who needs a little extra movement, who kind of wants to wander the halls anyway.
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You you give them explicit instructions, you know, you're going to this place and you are coming right back and maybe make it a game.
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You know, I'm timing you or, you know, whatnot.
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Um, whatever works for your student in your class.
00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:54.400
Um, we also had door openers and door closers, especially in schools where classroom doors need to remain closed and locked.
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Um, my they always want to do construction right outside my classroom.
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And, you know, that that was born out of it was just too loud.
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And I was like, who's gonna close the door?
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And shot up and I said, go for it.
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And that student is now my door closer.
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Um yeah.
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Like that's a perfect example.
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Not everybody's in the classroom needs a door closer, right?
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But yours does.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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And my classroom also needs a blinds closer because if we keep the blinds open, then our fish tank will get too much sunlight.
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I have fish this, I had fish last year and this year.
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Um, I got them last year and I still have them.
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And if the blinds are left open, the sunlight comes in and then it has it gets algae bloom.
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And we cannot do that again.
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Like it's a whole situation.
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So I have a blinds closer.
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:48.559
Um back to the doors.
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Sorry, I got distracted.
00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:54.640
One teacher intentionally has that student's desk near the door.
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So, you know, it's super easy and not as distracting, right?
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:00.160
So the student right next to the door can close the door.
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Um, so that's really easy, you know, and and that sounds like such a small thing, but then, you know, you don't have five kids yelling, I'll get it, or you know, if if there's a door opener, like that's one student by the door can just open the door for whoever is trying to come in.
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Um one person knows that's my job.
00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:20.319
And then I think there's a classroom management lesson there too.
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You know, if if everybody thinks that something could be their responsibility, you can get chaos.
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:31.920
And if one person knows that it's their responsibility, you have that procedure and everybody kind of knows their role.
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:32.480
Yeah.
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:36.240
Well, here's the pushback that I can already hear from our teachers.
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Maybe someone's listening and thinking, well, great.
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Now, on top of everything else I'm supposed to do, how do I manage 15 different classroom jobs?
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And that was one of the things I really struggled with when I went to fifth grade is like I had jobs and like a money system and like a classroom economy.
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And I was like, I cannot.
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I taught high school and we talked about literature.
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You want me to have classroom jobs and like pay them every single week and then have them pay rent for their?
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I'm like, are you insane?
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:07.759
So, what what do you say to that pushback?
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:14.079
Yeah, I mean, you know, we've kind of touched on this already, but if that's what it becomes, don't do it.
00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:18.880
Um so, you know, we talked about um do what works for your classroom.
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Of course, you're gonna do that.
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:24.400
But then one of our E B teachers, Amanda, shared what I think is a perfect alternative.
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She has one daily assistant.
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That's it.
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She just goes down her class list and picks a different student each day.
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And that student does all the things.
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They pass something out, they collect the papers, they deliver something to the, you know, another teacher.
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Um whatever little tasks come up, they close the door, they close the blinds, you know.
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And then um, when she gets through the class list, she just goes back up to the top and starts over again.
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And I like the simplicity of that because you get a lot of the benefits, right?
00:26:50.319 --> 00:27:00.240
Without needing a job board and 15 titles and coming up with cute titles, because we all want cute titles and a rotation schedule and like you said, another system you have to manage.
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.400
You just one student does it all.
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And then you know that you can rely on that student that day, right?
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:09.680
So Caitlin, go take this to Miss So and So.
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:17.680
Um, Caitlin, you know, uh collect all the papers for the absent students, you know, and you can just tell that student throughout the class period.
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:20.720
Yeah um and reduce your workload as well.
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:26.160
I actually really like that one because like literally anything I need that day, I would just be like, Jenna B if I need you to do this.
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:26.880
Exactly.
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:27.519
Yeah, exactly.
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:28.000
Perfect.
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:29.599
Yeah, yeah, easy peasy.
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:30.319
I love that.
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:30.720
Yeah.
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:31.200
Okay.
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:34.480
But classrooms are classrooms.
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So the kid who's supposed to do the job is absent.
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What do you do now?
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How do you fill the role?
00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:44.960
Well, that's why I like that assistant because then you don't worry, you just don't pick that student that day.
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:48.720
But like, what if I do have classroom jobs and someone is is absent?
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:50.400
What did our teachers share?
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:53.440
So Jennifer has this figured out.
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She has an alternate.
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The alternate's job is to just take over for anyone whose classroom job needs to be done when that student is absent.
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:05.519
So you're kind of having that um daily assistant as an alternate, right?
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:10.160
That can they can be the door closer that day, they can be the absent manager.
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:15.039
Um, so she created a system for when that system breaks, right?
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:16.799
That that door closer is absent.
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:22.640
Okay, the daily, the day, sorry, the alternate is gonna just fill in wherever um is needed.
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:24.000
That's actually pretty smart.
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:24.960
I like that.
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:28.799
Yeah, because the routines have to work, right?
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:30.000
In in our classrooms.
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Students like we don't live in a perfect world.
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:42.160
Students are absent, schedules change, there's an assembly, something weird happens, it's Tuesday, there's a full moon, like going on every day.
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:42.720
Exactly.
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:43.920
It's raining.
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:46.319
That's what I hear all because it doesn't rain a lot here.
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:48.960
So when it rains, like it's a thing.
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:53.839
Um, so if my procedure only works on the perfect day, it's not very useful, right?
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:58.960
So if we have that alternate or we have that one daily assistant, you know, that then it works.
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:00.000
Yeah, I love that.
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:02.480
So most of what we talked about is logistical, right?
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.359
Pencils, papers, attendants, blah, blah, blah.
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:10.319
Did anyone share something that was more academic that you want to talk about?
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:11.200
Yes.
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:12.880
And I really liked this one.
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:20.559
Um, Kristen said that when a student truly understands a concept, she'll sometimes have that student act as a peer tutor.
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:26.720
Um, and she said this helps tremendously when she's trying to get around to everyone to check writing or to help struggling writers.
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:39.359
And obviously, we're not replacing teacher instruction with student instruction, but I do think there's something really valuable in teaching our students that we don't have to be the only one right in the room that can help them.
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:46.240
Um, students can remind each other of the process, they can point each other toward a resource, they can explain their thinking.
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:52.079
And sometimes another student explains something in a way that just clicks better than how we explained it.
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:59.599
So, you know, now we're not just even we're not just creating ownership of the classroom, we're creating some of the ownership of learning too.
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.319
Um, I did this recently with our agenda planners.
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It's a school-wide initiative to set up agenda planners.
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And I had some kids who really got it.
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And it is a very level one task.
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Um, you know, so I told those students, when you're done, you're gonna be my experts, you're gonna be my helpers.
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And I paired them up with a student who I could see was struggling.
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But like if I've got, you know, half my class is struggling, I can pair the other half up with them and then I can still bounce around.
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Um, and that was really, really helpful.
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So I love that.
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Um, these are also great.
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So if I'm a teacher and I'm thinking, I'm listening to this and thinking, okay, I'm I'm doing I am doing way too much in my classroom.
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What is my first step?
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Yeah.
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So I would say kind of go back to what we've touched on already and find the friction.
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Um, you know, I don't want you to sit down and make a giant job classroom jobs chart that's it's gonna fall apart tomorrow.
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It's gonna fall apart after one day.
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I know because I've done it.
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But tomorrow in your classroom, pay attention.
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Where are you losing time?
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What keeps interrupting your instruction?
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Where are students getting out of their seats unnecessarily?
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What are they constantly asking you?
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What are you constantly trying to remember?
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Like, where did I put my expo marker?
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I think you guys are gonna talk about that next week with that.
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Um, and especially like what keeps happening over and over again.
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Because if I create a system for something that happens twice a year, okay, great.
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But if I solve something that happens six times every single day or even in a single class period, that's where I'm gonna feel the difference, you know?
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And you can do what I do and stop the class and say, hey, this isn't working.
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I can't find my expo marker, you know, and like assign it right there.
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Um, so tomorrow, if you notice something sticky, like like I talked about the construction piece, like the door closer, um, stop right then and you know, tell your tell your students.
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Um and some of my best jobs have have come about that way.
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It's a great life lesson for our students, I think, as well, to be responsible and sharing space with others, right?
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And sometimes realizing, you know, sometimes I fire a student and I and I let them know, like, you're just not cut out for this, and that's okay, you know, and I explain it to them a little more gently or we have a conversation.
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But, you know, that's I think something else that's important for our students to learn about themselves, that maybe they're not cut out for one job, but they uh will excel at something else.
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Um totally.
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So yeah, exactly.
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So find that sticky situation tomorrow.
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My my call to action for you all is um for you all listening is to, you know, when you're in class tomorrow, um, if you find yourself just stuck or you just cannot remember something or you're getting frustrated easily with something, that might be the the one job that you choose to assign, you know, and and like you said earlier, Caitlin, start small, choose one when you've when students have that down, you know, add another one if you need it.
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I love it.
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Yeah, these are great.
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So I want to say, first of all, a huge thank you to all of our E B teachers and our E B teacher community who shared these ideas.
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Clearly, they've figured out some things that the rest of us definitely need to know.
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And like Genevieve alluded to, we're not done with those ideas yet because once we got past all of these really smart systems, we're like, oh my gosh, there's a whole other category of classroom jobs that desire deserves an entire episode of its own.
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And our teachers have created jobs for everything from answering the classroom phone to finding lost expo markers, even repeating directions so that you don't have to.
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Next week's episode with Pat, Pat is our curriculum writer.
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She's gonna be joining me.
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They share, we're gonna share some of the funniest, most creative, and like oddly specific classroom jobs that our teachers came up with.
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And I have a feeling that you're gonna steal at least one of them.
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So thanks so much, Genevieve, for joining me on the podcast.
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It was fabulous to have you here.
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And thank you guys so much for listening.
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And we will see you next week on the podcast.
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Bye, everybody.
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Thanks for having me.
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Thanks.
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Bye.
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Bye, everyone.