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Just forget the rest of that happened chat and hello everyone welcome to Talking Pollux
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Live.
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Hello.
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Well, Sean's just going to interrupt so Sean's here too.
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Hi.
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It's been a while since we've done a podcast, it's been a couple of weeks, we had a holiday,
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forgive us.
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We did.
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The election kept us up.
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It was busy time, right?
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Super busy time.
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Sean, how are you?
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It was some late nights but I'm refreshed, well I say I'm refreshed.
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You know when you go on annual leave from work?
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Yeah.
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And you come back to ten times more work and all the stress that you lost on the holiday
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is now immediately back at your doorstep.
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This was the thing, we were literally talking about this at work the other day, right?
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Because at my old job, if you took a week off you'd come back to two weeks worth of
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work.
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So it wasn't worth having a week off work, it just wasn't, right?
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I'm currently in the unfortunate position that my boss is also off this week.
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She's still off?
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She's off this week.
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No fucking way.
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I know, lucky so and so.
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But yeah, so all of the stress that disappeared on that holiday has pretty much reared its
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ugly head again.
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Brilliant.
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So going away in the caravan did nothing for you, is that what you're saying?
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No, I'm pretty much back to square.
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We had a good time at Eden Camp.
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Amazing time at Eden Camp, really loved that place.
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You trailed off there Sean, you okay?
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Yeah, sorry, you pulled a face so I looked at you.
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But yeah, no, really loved Eden Camp, but yeah.
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Yeah, that was good fun.
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So a little bit different talking products live because we have a chat to talk to.
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So Mr Dunn's here.
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Oh hi Mr Dunn.
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Yes, we know the feeling all too well.
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We're both tired.
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We are.
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You're both tired as well.
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Yeah.
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And you're going to be even more tired when they close that road, the M62 and the bridge.
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Oh man.
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Oh my god.
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Oh man.
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Oh my god.
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So.
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Oh hello Katzen too.
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Hello.
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Hello, thanks Katzen.
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Thanks for the look buddy, always appreciated.
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Always.
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Sean.
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Yes, that's me.
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Talking products live.
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We're going to come away from politics.
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Everyone's on summer recess anyway.
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They're all on their holiday.
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That's why everyone's rioting, right?
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Hi Hanwan.
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Hi.
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Right now, a couple of points of note right before Sean gets into his explanation.
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First things first, it's not legally called a protest.
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Why Sean?
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Well they're not pro...
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It's not, it's not legally called a protest.
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It's crossing over the legal definitions technically or potentially into the legal definitions
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of terrorism.
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Well, Sean's whooped out the T word.
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It's getting serious.
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Well, I'm not the only one, you know.
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You've got the top police officers and the people in charge of the legal systems saying,
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okay, we're reviewing this for terrorism.
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Because really, if you look at the actual definition, it could be construed in a way
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that, yeah, some people have committed terrorist offences.
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Allegedly.
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So that's why this episode is called Britain.
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Why are you being a dick?
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So this kind of all started in Southport, right?
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It did on the 30th of July.
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Eight days, eight whole days ago.
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Well, a week ago today.
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So, what?
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Yesterday, 30th of July.
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30th of July.
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In fact, right, son.
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Yeah, make sure you've got those dates right.
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Yeah, 30th of July, this started when those, the stabbings occurred in Southport.
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As we know.
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But there was some good news.
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They've all been discharged from hospital now.
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The ones that were still being treated.
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Yes, which is good news.
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But, so that is what started.
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That was the initial event, I suppose.
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And then misinformation online.
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Who's misinformation?
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What's her first name?
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Nigel.
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Miss Nigel, misinformation.
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Miss Nigel information.
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But misinformation online, on the internet, on the interweb.
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On the interwebs.
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It sort of, it spread rapidly and you know.
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Spread like wildfire.
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It was rumours of the person who committed these offences was an asylum seeker that they
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'd been over by a bow.
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Certain high profile people, including Nigel Farage, shared posts which spread this information
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further.
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Nigel Farage has since said, you know, he admits that it is misinformation.
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He didn't apologise for the fact that he shared it.
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No, that's one thing Nigel Farage never does and that's apologise.
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Because if you don't never apologise, you're never wrong.
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Well, in the road lines I suppose.
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But yeah.
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And that misinformation, that sparked riots in Southport on the 30th.
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Obviously, understandably, some people were quite upset.
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And I, you know, it was an upsetting event but.
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But they were upset for the very wrong reason.
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Yeah, the misinformation just rapidly, it put rocket boosters on it as some people have
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said today.
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That's a very Ed Davey response.
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Richard Tice loved that.
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So and then it's kind of just snowballed from that.
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And it's sort of, it's now, there's now, there's two sides to these riots.
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It's still being debated amongst experts, really.
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So you've got what the government are calling the far right.
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I don't, I don't know if that categorisation particularly fits.
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They're not all necessarily far right wing.
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Some of the people charged today.
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Sorry to interrupt, Sean.
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Just to off the back of that.
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There's three people that have been charged and put in prison for whatever it is, disorderly
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conduct or, you know.
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Well, they've been, they've been convicted today.
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They haven't been.
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Oh, they've been convicted.
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Oh, are these the three that have?
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No, these are the three that have been charged.
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And when asked what the, what the far right was, they didn't know what it was.
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So you know, I don't know if that, I reckon muppets is the, is the correct phrase.
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So, I think as Mr Dunn has said, there is a lot of this talk about two tier policing
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now, which has, I think.
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I don't really understand this, A, where this concept has come from and B, what this concept
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is, because it's not something that I've ever witnessed.
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So basic, so the concept of two tier policing is that they police different classes of people
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or different types of people in different ways.
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So they are using the Palestinian protests as an example of where the police were basically
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non-existent versus protests by the far right outside Downing Street, where they, where
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the police were, there were hundreds of police officers.
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We were watching this live on TikTok, weren't we?
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And they're saying, and again, there's, and the BLM protests again, you know, there was
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very little police presence.
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Again, certain things that have happened during these riots have also further exacerbated
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With the far right protests in London.
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And then you had these protests in, or you had these, the Muslims in Birmingham who'd
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come out to protect their property.
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Their property and-
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However, they were still there on the streets with weapons and, you know, causing violent,
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you know, a Sky News van was attacked.
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But you know, you can put, you know, they're-
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So they should be policed in the same way.
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You should still have a police presence there.
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Oh yeah, they should be policed in the same way, but you can see why they went out with
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weapons, can't you?
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And you see the scenes that you've been watching on the telly.
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But regardless, it's not acceptable for anyone to go into the street with a weapon.
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No, I agree on that point.
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No matter what your justification is.
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It can't be one rule for one and one rule for another.
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That sort of thinking got us into this mess, didn't it, Laurie?
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But you know, my argument is we're lucky in this country that we have the legal right
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to protest peacefully.
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Yes, we do.
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So we can go out and we can protest to our heart's desire as long as we don't cause
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damage, don't cause a nuisance, you know, don't block roads, you know.
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Yeah, just stop oil, block in the M25.
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Don't ruin people's everyday lives and stuff like that.
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Some people have genuinely gone out just to throw bricks at shit.
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And that's what it feels like.
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Which is ridiculous because all you're doing is driving up everyone's insurance costs.
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Like my, like part of my argument, part of some of the stuff that I've seen.
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So there's one of the first people that was charged and that was in court was a 14 year
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old boy.
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Now, I'm sorry.
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He's not even old enough to vote.
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I'm sorry.
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The, you know, I've lost my train of thought.
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He's not even old enough to vote.
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He's not old enough to vote.
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So I don't understand.
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He's thrown his whole life away.
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Yeah, that's going to be a permanent criminal record.
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You know, he's assaulted emergency workers.
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So that's a crime.
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You know, criminal damage.
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That's a crime.
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That's a crime.
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It's just, what are they going to, what are they hoping to achieve by it?
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Because nothing is going to change by smashing up a corner shop or smashing up a hotel.
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You know, it's not going to change.
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The taxpayer is going to have to pay to fix that.
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Okay, let's just stop for a moment and check our chat.
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Because we're recording this live, you see Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts
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So have you seen the video of the guy claiming just a oil was smearing a truck of vegetable
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oil?
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I know I haven't, but I get my researcher, AKA Sean on it.
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So in Walton, they were complaining that it was a deprived area with no opportunities.
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So what did they do?
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Burn down the library use center.
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I mean, that's, I mean, exactly the point Mr. Dunn points out.
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That is exactly the point we're trying to make.
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There is no, there is no sense.
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And that is the logic of these people.
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It just, it's just crazy.
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As my colleague said to me today, you can't teach stupid.
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No, you can't fix stupid.
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No.
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So I, so, so look at going back to this 14 year old, surely that, that, that raises the
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question of everything, what he's being taught at school, what he's being exposed to online.
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Exactly.
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And I think, so we were watching the Rob Room protest outside that hotel, the Holiday Inn
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Express.
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Yes.
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And that you had parents there with their tiny children, their toddlers.
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Hanlan in chat, it's just an excuse for violence.
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And unfortunately there was no logic.
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She has a daughter who's young as some of the daughters that I saw.
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At the protest outside that Holiday Inn.
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They were setting the grass on fire and those kids sat on the grass.
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I know.
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It's, it's, the mind boggles.
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And if that is the sort of mindset that, and then they're teaching that to their children,
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then of course, of course they were going to have young people like that.
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No, and now Sean, can you just get up on your screen for me?
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Because for our, for our Twitch viewers, we can get up a cool little graph that Sean has
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made which details the vote share.
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So this graph, this pie chart, right, Twitch, details the vote share from the last election
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just gone, right?
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I know it's not, I'm not very smooth with this.
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It's not, get it.
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You'll get there Sean.
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There you go.
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And for our podcast listeners, we'll read that.
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So Labour got 34% of the vote share.
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The Tories got 24%.
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The Lib Dems got 12%.
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The SMP got 3%.
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Reform got 14%.
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The Planned Poverty Government got 1%.
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Green got 7%.
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And other independents, et cetera, got 5%.
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Now just rolling that back for a second.
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Reform got 14% and got five seats.
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Well, yeah, you could just compare.
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So this is the share of seats in parliament, you know, compare that, the two graphs.
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So vote share.
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Look how big the light blue wedge is there.
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So for our listeners, 14%.
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Share of seats in parliament, less than 1% for Reform.
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They didn't even have enough seats to get a mention on Sean's pie chat.
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No, they're not.
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So looking at this from the other side, because you know, political politics is not biased.
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You can see why they don't feel necessarily represented.
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It isn't right, Hanwan.
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You are, I totally agree with you.
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Not really a landslide, no.
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I completely agree with you.
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You know, the fun fact of the election this time, Hanwan, and everyone else listening,
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was that Keir Starmer actually got less votes than Jeremy Corbyn did in 2019.
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Which is incredibly concerning because...
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First past the post doing first past the post things.
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Yeah, literally.
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And they expect people like Reform and the Green Party are trying to push Labour to try
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and change the vote system.
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They're never going to change it.
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It is a hollow victory.
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I agree, you know, chat is very agreeing on this.
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A backdoor victory has been mentioned.
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So speaking about the electoral system, and going back to my point, I can see why they
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don't feel represented and I can see why there is this deep-seated anger.
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When Farage came out and said all these things during the election, you can see why so many
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of them flocked to Reform.
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And why some of them, possibly some voters that haven't voted before, voted for Reform.
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Because there was a lot of people saying, I'm not going to vote in this time, there's
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no point, nothing ever changes.
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I know.
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Do you know, I would be interested to see the numbers of how many voters have voted
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for the first time that have never voted before and voted for Reform.
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The problem that I find, especially during the situation at the moment with Nigel Farage,
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is he is, some of the comments that he is making and the Twitter posts or the ex-posts
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that he's making and the social media presence that he's got, he is stoking the flames.
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He's not trying to, he's not helping, he's not trying to bring us together, he's not
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saying, okay, let's sit down, let's talk about this, what can we do?
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He is, he's making it worse.
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Another story of Elon Musk, now I actually got into a little bit of Twitter beef with
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Elon Musk yesterday.
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So I tweeted something and Elon Musk also tweeted something.
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And Elon Musk was basically having a go at Keir and saying all this really bad stuff.
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So I called him out and said, all right, come and speak to us, come and sit down.
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You seem to be an expert on the subject, Elon.
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He deleted my tweet.
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So I tweeted it again.
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Deleted that one.
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So I screenshotted it and then tweeted it.
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That one's still up.
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It is, yeah.
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It is, yeah.
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Weird.
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But Mr Dunne wants to know our views on immigration.
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Well, we could be here literally all night with immigration.
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Me and Sean have discussed this at length, off podcast, off stream.
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It's a very difficult subject.
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There's a very broad...
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And it's one of those subjects where no matter what side of the fence you sit on, you're
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wrong.
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Yeah.
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Would you agree?
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I would say to a certain extent, you could never be right with your view on immigration.
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I do feel that that is correct.
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So my view is I don't necessarily have a problem with immigration when it's done the right
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way.
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If you want to follow the legal routes, absolutely fine.
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My view is that we've taken in that many migrants that our economy hasn't caught up to that
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yet.
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We've sort of bloated ourselves.
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We've tried to help too many people at once.
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We have, yeah.
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And that's naturally a British thing to do.
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Yeah, we usually want control.
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It's a very British thing to do.
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I will make sure that I have a little bit less so you can have something.
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And I feel like the country has tried to help so many people, probably compounded by the
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fact there is so many world events going on.
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Ukraine, COVID-19, Middle East, all the other wars, Afghanistan, everything else that's
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been going on.
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Not to mention Hong Kong and all the other...
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Everything else that's been going on.
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Plus all the illegal migrants that have been coming over on the boats as well.
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And that naturally we want to help.
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We've just overstretched ourselves and there has to be a breaking point.
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And unfortunately for me, this is that breaking point.
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Yeah.
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And since...
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When you look at the numbers of immigration, it's very difficult because, you know, immigration
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needs to be split up into different categories.
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Yeah.
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So illegal immigration, which is a massive problem.
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We do have a huge problem with illegal immigration.
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That needs to be zero.
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Illegal immigration needs to be zero.
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Yeah, Katzner is absolutely right.
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It's not going to be getting better in the future, unfortunately.
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Compounded by other world events that are slowly rearing their ugly heads.
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Exactly.
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The...
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You've then got international students.
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Again, it's been too liberal with how international students have been dealt with.
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You know, international students could bring their whole family and six dependents if they
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wanted to.
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That's not right.
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If you're coming here as a student, come here on your own.
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Or maybe if you've got one child or something, you know, limit how many people are coming
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in.
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We want to help people, but there has to be a limit to how much we can help.
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Because my view is that we've tried to help that many people and we've overstretched ourselves
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that much, that we've opened ourselves up to more and more risks because we haven't
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been able to spend the money in the right places.
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Yeah.
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And like Mr Dunne has said there, taking money off pensioners whilst immigration costs gone
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6.8 billion.
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Immigration costs 6.8 billion.
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And that is completely an understandable point of view.
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Yeah.
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We need to regroup.
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And that means we have to lower the level of net migration, not to zero, like the far
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right is calling for, because we still need people to come here and work.
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There are still jobs and roles and other things that need to be done by the very people that
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are coming in.
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Look at Scotland as an example of this.
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Scotland has a very ageing population.
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Unfortunately, Scotland doesn't have a coastline on the channel.
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Scotland has a very ageing population and they need migrants to start building up their
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health service again.
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Look how trash the Scottish health services is.
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Again, yeah.
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And the Welsh health service as well.
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And that is a good point.
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But let's go back to the costs of it.
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And that is something that as a country we have let spiral.
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You know, we could have the cost of dealing with these immigrants, dealing with immigration,
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especially asylum and refugees could be substantially lower than it is now.
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Because we could be using sites that already exist, that have residential facilities on
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them to house them, that aren't currently being used.
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Instead, we're using hotels and B&Bs and, you know, things that cost quite a lot of
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money to the government.
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Yeah, we're paying a lot of money.
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So a lot of efficiencies can be made.
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But the problem is, and you know, we've seen it over the past few years, when you do try
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and make these cost saving efficiencies, you get shut down.
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Let's take Rwanda out of it.
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We all know that was quite expensive.
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So let's not worry about that.
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How much was it?
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350,000 a person for a plane to Rwanda.
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Something like that.
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But then you've got, then you've got, but look at the Bibby's Stockholm.
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That, that was an idea, you know, and one,
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Bibby's Stockholm.
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That holds a lot of people.
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It was a Dutch bow.
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It was a Dutch idea, you know, but as soon as the, even the concept of that, as soon
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as that was floated, oh no, and immigration groups.
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No, no, that's that.
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That's inhumane.
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It's not inhumane.
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We've got the, you know,
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Like, like, as the head man has said in chat here, homelessness is at an all time high.
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How many homeless people would have jumped at the chance to live on the Bibby's Stockholm?
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You know, it's at the end of the day, it's designed to be temporary.
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Yeah, it's temporary accommodation.
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When you come here as a refugee, you go into the asylum system.
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You come here temporarily, we'll house you temporarily.
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We'll get you a job and then you, you have to sustain yourself.
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That's the, that's what the system should be.
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I want to, to move on a little bit now to the online aspect.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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And this is the misinformation portion of it.
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So Sean, can you for me on your computer, can you grab up the Gov website for asylum
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seekers?
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Okay.
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And I want to try and crush some, some speculation here.
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Okay.
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So what page?
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There's a lot for asylum seekers.
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Is it the asylum seekers, what do I get page?
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Yes, this page here.
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So that is real by the way.
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So this is real.
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Yeah.
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I just wanted to confirm it and be able to show it to the stream.
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Where is it?
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Hang on.
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So this is the asylum support page from our government website, right?
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And it says here, what you'll get.
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You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.
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You'll be given somewhere to live if you need it.
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This could be a flat house, hostel or bed and breakfast.
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You cannot choose where you live.
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It's unlikely you'll get to live in London or Southeast England.
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So just, just stop there for a moment.
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First of all, the fact that they've put in their London and Southeast England, does that
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mean that there's a lot of asylum seekers coming over here specifically to live in London
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and Southeast England?
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That's people will.
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Is there a reason for that?
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Because London is where the money is.
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Yeah.
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Is that the reason?
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A lot of that, you know, London has quite an expanded immigrant population anyway.
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So potentially family ties, friend ties, you know.
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So moving on cash support.
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Yes.
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So cash support.
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It says you'll usually get £49 and 18 pence for each person in your household.
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This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.
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Your allowance will be loaded onto a debit card each week and you'll be able to use the
512
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,960
card to get cash from a cash machine.
513
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,320
Yes.
514
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,200
And then it goes on to talk about healthcare.
515
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,960
So, so let's caveat that.
516
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,760
So not every single asylum seeker gets £49 and 18 per week.
517
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:02,760
Now it depends on your circumstances.
518
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,360
If, if they're in accommodation that provides food, so bed and breakfasts, hotels, they
519
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,200
get a little bit less than that.
520
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,640
They get £8 and 86.
521
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:14,640
That's not a lot.
522
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,640
And that's to buy their toiletries.
523
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:16,640
Per person per week.
524
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,640
And that's to buy their, it's literally to buy their toiletries.
525
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,640
So that's £32 a week.
526
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,640
For a family of four.
527
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,040
For a family of four.
528
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,360
But that's because the meals are provided.
529
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:30,240
You don't have to buy food.
530
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,240
Exactly.
531
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,240
And stuff like that.
532
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,240
So that's the misconception.
533
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,240
Yeah.
534
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,520
So that's again, so this is why we wanted to run through this and we'll, we'll round
535
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,520
it off at the end.
536
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,200
And then the last point here is I've got on my page, there will be more on it.
537
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,200
Yeah, there is.
538
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,200
It's healthcare.
539
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,200
Healthcare.
540
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,200
Healthcare.
541
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,800
You may get free national health service healthcare.
542
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,240
So that's just to see a doctor or get hospital treatment.
543
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:56,040
You'll also get, now I'm going to be honest, the first one pisses me off.
544
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,320
Free prescriptions for medicine.
545
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,320
So there is a free-
546
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,320
Free prescriptions for medicine.
547
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:05,240
Now if I want, if I go to the doctor and I need two medicines, I have to pay £19.
548
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,240
£18?
549
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,240
£9.50 now.
550
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,240
Oh.
551
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,240
I don't know, I haven't bought prescriptions in ages.
552
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,240
So I have to pay £19.
553
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:19,000
I really begrudge paying the prescription charge because I already pay my national insurance.
554
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,000
Yeah.
555
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,000
So you have to pay that.
556
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,960
I do get it, but so there is a reason that healthcare is included when they come.
557
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:31,200
The next one angers me even more because I haven't even been able to get a place at one
558
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,440
of these.
559
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,680
Free dental care for your teeth.
560
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,960
Oh yeah, they'll be lucky if they get in anywhere.
561
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,960
I haven't been able to get into a dentist for nearly two years now.
562
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:43,960
Yeah.
563
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,720
But the crazy thing is, so as I said, there is a reason that we provide healthcare to
564
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:54,320
them because for refugees and asylum seekers, because they're coming here potentially from
565
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,440
war-torn areas.
566
00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:02,680
So they could have, they could have injuries or chronic illness from being exposed to certain
567
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,640
elements or whatever, you know, there is reasons for it.
568
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,640
Yeah.
569
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,640
You know.
570
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:15,280
From, you know, someone, you know, someone that's protesting this evening or rioting,
571
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,240
whichever way you want to put it.
572
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,640
You can see why they'd get angry reading this.
573
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,240
Oh, a hundred percent, a hundred percent.
574
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,880
You can see why they're going to get angry reading this because they get free prescriptions,
575
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,640
free dental care, free eyesight tests, help pay for glasses, money given to them every
576
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,840
week, somewhere to live.
577
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:39,720
Meanwhile, like chat has very much said, homelessness is at an all time high.
578
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,880
We're spending 6.8 billion pounds.
579
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,240
Oh, that's 6.8 billion pounds over budget.
580
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,800
Yeah, I know.
581
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,520
See where this anger has bubbled up from.
582
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,480
I do completely understand that.
583
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,120
The representatives of the far right, let's call them.
584
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:59,720
They, they're doing nothing but fanning the flames.
585
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,200
They're trying to incite violence in my opinion.
586
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,200
Yeah.
587
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,200
I understand.
588
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:12,640
And the problem is they don't, this isn't potentially always what they're arguing over.
589
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,560
A lot of the violent protests that are going on or the violent scenes that are going on
590
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,560
at the moment, a lot of the people involved in them, you could ask, get three of them
591
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,240
in separate rooms, ask them what they're doing it for.
592
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,360
And all of them would give you different answers.
593
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:28,360
Yeah.
594
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:30,760
So, and this is why I wanted to talk about the online aspect.
595
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:31,760
Yeah.
596
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,920
This is online and this information is free and anyone can go on and read this on the
597
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,920
government website.
598
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,920
Yeah.
599
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,160
Let's turn our attention to TikTok, shall we?
600
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,600
TikTok, X, Telegram, they're all as bad as each other.
601
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,600
Yeah.
602
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,080
So all you have to do, so what I'm going to do, look, I'm on TikTok right now.
603
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,920
You can see that on the stream and for the podcast, I'm on TikTok right now.
604
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:59,480
And I'm literally the top searched results, top search today is UK protests live now.
605
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,880
A lot of it at the moment is peaceful protests.
606
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:02,880
Okay.
607
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,880
A lot of it at the moment is protesting against the protests.
608
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,040
I mean, maybe on Thursday there's going to be a protest against protests.
609
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,040
Yeah.
610
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,080
People have been protesting the anti-protests of the protests.
611
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,080
Yeah.
612
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,080
There's a lot.
613
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,080
But the, so.
614
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,080
There's a lot going on.
615
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,440
This Weebly bin has been set on fire and has thrown up police in Leeds.
616
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,440
Just to give everyone a quick update.
617
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,120
Manchester has a lot of anti-protest protests.
618
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:31,400
But yeah, it goes back to, it goes back to even the start of this protest-ception.
619
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,960
It goes back to the, goes back to how this all started.
620
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,840
The misinformation online, the information that was shared about the person that committed
621
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,120
these crimes was wrong.
622
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,120
Wrong.
623
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,200
So it was claimed that he was a failed asylum seeker, that he came here on a boat.
624
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,200
Yeah.
625
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:52,320
That his parents, I mean, was it about his parents being from Rwanda or that was true?
626
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:58,080
So his parents, so after the details were released, we found out that he, his parents
627
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,080
were from Rwanda.
628
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,960
Which by the way, point of order, in UK law, Rwanda is a safe country.
629
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,960
No, it's not.
630
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:05,960
That law was ripped up.
631
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,960
Has it, has it been?
632
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:07,960
Of course it's been ripped up.
633
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,960
Has it been revoked yet?
634
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,960
Yeah, of course it has been.
635
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,760
Even so, the UK once in law said Rwanda was a safe country.
636
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,280
Yeah, but we still took refugees from there.
637
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,280
Yeah.
638
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:22,600
And he was born in Cardiff, moved to Lancashire and he was brought up in Lancashire.
639
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,960
He's lived in the UK his whole life.
640
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,360
He's gone to school in the UK.
641
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,360
You know, he hasn't known any different.
642
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,360
He was on TV.
643
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,360
He was Christian.
644
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,840
He did a TV advert with children in need, a Doctor Who themed one.
645
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:42,200
And all it took was for someone to whip something up, saying that he was an asylum seeker, post
646
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,840
that online and look where it's got us.
647
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:50,400
And the problem is it's when people, highly influential people.
648
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,680
Farage.
649
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,720
Not just Farage, it's Tommy Robinson.
650
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,720
Elon Musk.
651
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,040
Andrew Tay, Elon Musk.
652
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:03,440
They're all stirring up the arguments and the hatred and stoking the flames more.
653
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Yep.
654
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:14,560
And you know, Elon, like the first conviction under someone inciting hatred on Facebook
655
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,840
was handed down this week from these riots.
656
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,840
Yeah.
657
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,920
Now, interesting point you make there.
658
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,440
How do you place this, right?
659
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,080
Because what's the end game here?
660
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,080
Right?
661
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,520
We know that social media is a big problem.
662
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,520
Okay.
663
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,520
Where does Keir go?
664
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,520
Right?
665
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,520
What is his final call?
666
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,840
Does he turn off access to the internet?
667
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,680
I need the internet to do my job.
668
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,120
You literally work for an internet based company.
669
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,160
You literally don't have a job.
670
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,560
I literally do if it's screwed around here.
671
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,840
You can't restrict access to social media.
672
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,640
No, again, that would be un-policeable.
673
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,160
But again, the posts and people on social media is un-policeable as well.
674
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,240
You'd need a team of thousands of people to constantly track.
675
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,240
Don't get me wrong.
676
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,240
They are.
677
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,240
Addresses.
678
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,680
You know, we're expected, where I work, obviously, we receive requests like that from the police
679
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:07,920
all the time about requests for, well, we don't.
680
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,320
We have to be aware of them already.
681
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,880
We don't receive that often actually.
682
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:18,080
The police have the powers at all times to request IP data, address information, personal
683
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,040
information based on an IP address, and we have to provide it.
684
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,760
The hand-run and chat race is a good point as well.
685
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,920
AI has made it so much worse and a lot easier and faster to create this kind of content.
686
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:28,920
Yeah, 100%.
687
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:37,760
And then when platforms like X, for example, allow bots to create, yeah, these bots to
688
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,760
create...
689
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,680
So for those of you who don't know what the podcast that we're recording this evening,
690
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,400
we do a first, second, and third on our channel.
691
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,400
Funny.
692
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,560
And Tops, who never gets first, has just got her second in a row.
693
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,160
This is probably the most heroic thing anyone's ever done.
694
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,160
A third row.
695
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,160
A third row.
696
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,160
A third row.
697
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,160
A third row.
698
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,160
A third row.
699
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,160
A third row.
700
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,160
A third row.
701
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,160
A third row.
702
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,160
A third row.
703
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,160
A third row.
704
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,160
A third row.
705
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,160
A third row.
706
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,160
A third row.
707
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,160
A third row.
708
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,160
So where were we, Sean?
709
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,160
Sorry.
710
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,520
Oh, yeah.
711
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,440
Platforms like X allow bots...
712
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,040
To create this horrible content?
713
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:25,000
Well, no, what they allow is they allow fake profiles to flood their platforms with it.
714
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,440
So on Twitter, or X, fucking stupid name...
715
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,440
Oh, just call it Twitter.
716
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,440
I still call it Twitter.
717
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:38,080
So on Twitter, hashtag UK riots was trending and it was number two on the trending list
718
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,040
it's been trending for days.
719
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,040
If you go on that now, every post is a bot account
720
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,920
that's got a link to an address
721
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,520
that you probably shouldn't go to
722
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,800
because it'd probably give you some sort of virus
723
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,560
or some sort of scam.
724
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,200
But the problem is Elon Musk allows this to happen.
725
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,400
Yeah.
726
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,280
So ex, formerly known as Twitter, yes.
727
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,680
So yeah, this process, I'm just,
728
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:06,960
I literally have opened Twitter
729
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,520
and the very first thing that I see is protests in Blackpool.
730
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,700
What else we got?
731
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,080
Justice, Pretty Patel.
732
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,960
She's obviously wanting to be a campaign.
733
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,840
There's a lot of anti-protest protesters.
734
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,320
You know, there's, so for example,
735
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,040
there's some picket scientists.
736
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,600
Newcastle loves black and white
737
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,640
because their football shirt is black and white striped.
738
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,040
Reject racism.
739
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,360
Let's be honest, not all,
740
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,000
like sometimes you have to go out
741
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,400
and look for some of the stuff on Twitter,
742
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,520
but some of the awful stuff.
743
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,160
But with, as I was saying,
744
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,920
with the UK riots hashtag, for example,
745
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,520
it was trending for days.
746
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,720
And then because of these bots
747
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,160
and it was spreading misinformation,
748
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,680
it was saying riots were going off in towns
749
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,180
and cities where they weren't.
750
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,440
And it was just a link to then a page that,
751
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,840
as I said, it was probably a scam or some virus or something.
752
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,240
So something needs to be done about that,
753
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:12,280
but it's so that you can,
754
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,000
the government can only do so much.
755
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,120
We've got the online safety act, very new legislation.
756
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:17,960
So I'm just scrolling through X.
757
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,280
It's already been toughened up.
758
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,040
Twitter, X, whatever it is.
759
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,080
And just to give you an idea of what
760
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,560
the right-minded people are up against,
761
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,840
the sane people are up against,
762
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,200
this is a message that was sent to one of our MPs
763
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,800
and I apologise for the language,
764
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,760
but it needs to be said for effect, okay?
765
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,040
You are 100% a stupid bitch.
766
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,240
I hope one of your family members gets killed or raped
767
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:44,960
by one of the illegals that you support.
768
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,040
Go and fuck yourself.
769
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,200
Jesus Christ.
770
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But here you go.
771
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Here's the example of literally what I was talking about.
772
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So this is the UK riots hashtag.
773
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And so where it says sensitive content,
774
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that isn't actually a video that's been flagged as sensitive.
775
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If you click on it, it's a link.
776
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Right.
777
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And it's, so that one is crowds in Derby.
778
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There's no protests going on in Derby right now.
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Here's another one.
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So I've just looked at another image in Plymouth.
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And you just...
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And it's about, this young girl is maybe five or six years old
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and she's got two middle fingers up at the police.
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And the problem is they just allow this
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to be flooded on the internet.
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And of course it's gonna spark more hatred,
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more violence when, because it's what it's designed to do.
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It's the whole reason that people are posting it.
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Every other post is something to incite and inflame
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and to spread misinformation.
791
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And nothing gets done to fact check this.
792
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There's a community fact check on X of course, but...
793
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Which through the election was quite good.
794
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It was quite good, yeah.
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Because it was led by the community.
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And there was people out there that wanted to make sure
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that it was a free and fair election.
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And obviously, you know, we're one of the last countries
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that actually still have proper, true, free and fair elections.
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Free elections.
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I wouldn't call them fair.
802
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Well, the electoral system is something
803
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to be desired obviously.
804
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But yeah, Mr. Dunn, you are right.
805
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I haven't seen any actual riots so far this evening.
806
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No, it looks like things are stirring up in Brighton.
807
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Oh, does it?
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From what I've seen on X.
809
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But honestly...
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It's mostly just anti-racism.
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It's more peaceful protests.
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Which is good to see.
813
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I'm glad to see people coming out and damaged
814
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and proving that these people that go out
815
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and smash up towns and cities and...
816
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,040
I think maybe tonight...
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Don't prove that we aren't all like that.
818
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,280
We're coming to the end of the show, unfortunately.
819
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But I think tonight has been a bit of a show of force.
820
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But for the...
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I don't want to say left wing.
822
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I think that's a bit too broad.
823
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It's for the British population.
824
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But yeah, I think...
825
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,360
You know, it shows that we're not all steak bakes.
826
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,080
Yeah, we all have the IQ of one, Sean.
827
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You know, it's quarter past nine now.
828
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,040
All of this stuff was supposed to kick off at eight o'clock.
829
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You know, are they waiting till it goes off?
830
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,200
Are they waiting till it gets darker?
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We are in the summer months.
832
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Are they waiting for the...
833
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But if that's the case, then that just proves the point.
834
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That they're waiting for it to get dark.
835
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,160
So it's easier to commit the crime.
836
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,400
So we're going out to commit in the first place.
837
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,320
Are they waiting for the counter protests
838
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,920
to sort of dissipate a little bit?
839
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,280
Because they are heavily outnumbered at the moment
840
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with police and counter protesters.
841
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,160
So are they waiting for the numbers to go down
842
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,360
so they can then come out?
843
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,960
You know, it's something to keep an eye on.
844
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,400
But I'm hoping that we may have got through this evening.
845
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But if that is the case,
846
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,320
you think of the waste of taxpayers' money
847
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,360
on the 6,000 extra police officers
848
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,960
that they've deployed this evening.
849
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,360
Oh, here we go.
850
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,200
No, it is.
851
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,720
Talking Pollux is back to his regular scheduled programming
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already.
853
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You know what I'm saying?
854
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It is, it's causing...
855
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,760
Oh, that was a waste of money, wasn't it?
856
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,480
It's causing a burden on the system.
857
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:48,400
I know.
858
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,400
Like that's...
859
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,240
It's just not right.
860
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:52,680
I know.
861
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,000
The thing is that they're saying right
862
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because of the stabbing.
863
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,040
And it is, yeah.
864
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,120
As Tops very rightly points out,
865
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,360
it's taken away from these pre-innocent children
866
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that have lost their lives.
867
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Think of the families.
868
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,400
None of them have been able to mourn
869
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because they're probably feeling well guilty
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that the death of their daughter has caused these riots.
871
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And I really hope that they don't feel or think that at all.
872
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It's just an excuse, any excuse,
873
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and it really doesn't help when you've got public figures
874
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fanning the flames.
875
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So we'll review this next week, of course.
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Most definitely.
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Next Wednesday.
878
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If it's still going on.
879
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If it's still going on.
880
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I'm sure.
881
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Talking Pollux returns.
882
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Obviously it's summer recess at the moment,
883
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the parliament, so it's a bit of a difficult one to gauge.
884
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Twitch as well, the first Talking Pollux Live.
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We hope you enjoyed.
886
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This conversation has barely even began.
887
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,440
Yes, I know, but nobody wants to listen
888
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,960
to a four and a half hour podcast, Hanwan, unfortunately.
889
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Has to be bite-sized.
890
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,800
There's gonna be more to come, I feel.
891
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,320
The world is on a bit of a knife edge
892
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and Britain is walking along it today.
893
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So, right.
894
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Thank you for listening.
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Don't forget, you can email us,
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talkingpolluxatquiffandsean.com.
897
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You can also get us on X if you want to.
898
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You can understand if you want to stay away
899
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from that right now.
900
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Or you can join the Discord as well,
901
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,880
which you can get from, well,
902
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you'd have to go to our page on Twitch or X to get that.
903
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Right, Sean, anything else from your good self?
904
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No, I think I'm okay.
905
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,240
You think you're okay?
906
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,680
I think I'm all right at the moment.
907
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We're safe, we're marked safe
908
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from not being an idiot tonight.
909
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X is a toxic place, Hanwan, you're right.
910
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Oh, it is awful.
911
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,320
It is.
912
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Well, chat, thank you for listening.
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Podcasters and Spotifyers and Apple Musicers,
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thank you for listening as well.
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We will see you and we'll be back tomorrow on the stream,
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next when per the Thursday for the podcast
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on Wherever You Get Them.
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We love you lots, we'll see you soon.
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We love you.
920
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See you later, bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Just forget the rest of that happened chat and hello everyone welcome to Talking Pollux
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Live.
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Hello.
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Well, Sean's just going to interrupt so Sean's here too.
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Hi.
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It's been a while since we've done a podcast, it's been a couple of weeks, we had a holiday,
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forgive us.
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We did.
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The election kept us up.
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It was busy time, right?
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Super busy time.
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Sean, how are you?
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It was some late nights but I'm refreshed, well I say I'm refreshed.
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You know when you go on annual leave from work?
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Yeah.
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And you come back to ten times more work and all the stress that you lost on the holiday
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is now immediately back at your doorstep.
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This was the thing, we were literally talking about this at work the other day, right?
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Because at my old job, if you took a week off you'd come back to two weeks worth of
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work.
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So it wasn't worth having a week off work, it just wasn't, right?
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I'm currently in the unfortunate position that my boss is also off this week.
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She's still off?
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She's off this week.
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No fucking way.
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I know, lucky so and so.
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But yeah, so all of the stress that disappeared on that holiday has pretty much reared its
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ugly head again.
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Brilliant.
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So going away in the caravan did nothing for you, is that what you're saying?
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No, I'm pretty much back to square.
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We had a good time at Eden Camp.
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Amazing time at Eden Camp, really loved that place.
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You trailed off there Sean, you okay?
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Yeah, sorry, you pulled a face so I looked at you.
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But yeah, no, really loved Eden Camp, but yeah.
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Yeah, that was good fun.
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So a little bit different talking products live because we have a chat to talk to.
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So Mr Dunn's here.
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Oh hi Mr Dunn.
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Yes, we know the feeling all too well.
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We're both tired.
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We are.
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You're both tired as well.
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Yeah.
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And you're going to be even more tired when they close that road, the M62 and the bridge.
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Oh man.
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Oh my god.
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Oh man.
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Oh my god.
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So.
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Oh hello Katzen too.
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Hello.
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Hello, thanks Katzen.
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Thanks for the look buddy, always appreciated.
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Always.
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Sean.
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Yes, that's me.
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Talking products live.
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We're going to come away from politics.
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Everyone's on summer recess anyway.
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They're all on their holiday.
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That's why everyone's rioting, right?
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Hi Hanwan.
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Hi.
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Right now, a couple of points of note right before Sean gets into his explanation.
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First things first, it's not legally called a protest.
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Why Sean?
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Well they're not pro...
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It's not, it's not legally called a protest.
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It's crossing over the legal definitions technically or potentially into the legal definitions
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of terrorism.
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Well, Sean's whooped out the T word.
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It's getting serious.
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Well, I'm not the only one, you know.
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You've got the top police officers and the people in charge of the legal systems saying,
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okay, we're reviewing this for terrorism.
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Because really, if you look at the actual definition, it could be construed in a way
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that, yeah, some people have committed terrorist offences.
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Allegedly.
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So that's why this episode is called Britain.
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Why are you being a dick?
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Yeah.
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So this kind of all started in Southport, right?
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It did on the 30th of July.
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Yeah, 30th of July, this started when those, the stabbings occurred in Southport.
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The ones that were still being treated.
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Who's misinformation?
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What's her first name?
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Nigel.
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Miss Nigel, misinformation.
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Miss Nigel information.
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But misinformation online, on the internet, on the interweb.
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It sort of, it spread rapidly and you know.
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'd been over by a bow.
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further.
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Nigel Farage has since said, you know, he admits that it is misinformation.
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He didn't apologise for the fact that he shared it.
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Richard Tice loved that.
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Some of the people charged today.
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There's three people that have been charged and put in prison for whatever it is, disorderly
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conduct or, you know.
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They haven't been.
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non-existent versus protests by the far right outside Downing Street, where they, where
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the police were, there were hundreds of police officers.
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very little police presence.
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With the far right protests in London.
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Their property and-
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However, they were still there on the streets with weapons and, you know, causing violent,
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you know, a Sky News van was attacked.
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You should still have a police presence there.
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Oh yeah, they should be policed in the same way, but you can see why they went out with
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weapons, can't you?
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But regardless, it's not acceptable for anyone to go into the street with a weapon.
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No, I agree on that point.
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No matter what your justification is.
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It can't be one rule for one and one rule for another.
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That sort of thinking got us into this mess, didn't it, Laurie?
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But you know, my argument is we're lucky in this country that we have the legal right
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to protest peacefully.
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Yes, we do.
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So we can go out and we can protest to our heart's desire as long as we don't cause
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damage, don't cause a nuisance, you know, don't block roads, you know.
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Yeah, just stop oil, block in the M25.
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Don't ruin people's everyday lives and stuff like that.
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Some people have genuinely gone out just to throw bricks at shit.
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And that's what it feels like.
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Which is ridiculous because all you're doing is driving up everyone's insurance costs.
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Like my, like part of my argument, part of some of the stuff that I've seen.
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So there's one of the first people that was charged and that was in court was a 14 year
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old boy.
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Now, I'm sorry.
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He's not even old enough to vote.
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The, you know, I've lost my train of thought.
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He's not even old enough to vote.
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He's not old enough to vote.
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He's thrown his whole life away.
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You know, he's assaulted emergency workers.
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So that's a crime.
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You know, criminal damage.
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That's a crime.
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That's a crime.
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It's just, what are they going to, what are they hoping to achieve by it?
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Because nothing is going to change by smashing up a corner shop or smashing up a hotel.
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You know, it's not going to change.
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The taxpayer is going to have to pay to fix that.
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So have you seen the video of the guy claiming just a oil was smearing a truck of vegetable
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oil?
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I know I haven't, but I get my researcher, AKA Sean on it.
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So in Walton, they were complaining that it was a deprived area with no opportunities.
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So what did they do?
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Burn down the library use center.
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That is exactly the point we're trying to make.
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There is no, there is no sense.
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It just, it's just crazy.
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As my colleague said to me today, you can't teach stupid.
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No, you can't fix stupid.
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So I, so, so look at going back to this 14 year old, surely that, that, that raises the
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question of everything, what he's being taught at school, what he's being exposed to online.
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And that you had parents there with their tiny children, their toddlers.
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Hanlan in chat, it's just an excuse for violence.
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She has a daughter who's young as some of the daughters that I saw.
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At the protest outside that Holiday Inn.
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They were setting the grass on fire and those kids sat on the grass.
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It's, it's, the mind boggles.
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then of course, of course they were going to have young people like that.
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No, and now Sean, can you just get up on your screen for me?
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made which details the vote share.
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So this graph, this pie chart, right, Twitch, details the vote share from the last election
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just gone, right?
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I know it's not, I'm not very smooth with this.
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It's not, get it.
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You'll get there Sean.
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There you go.
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And for our podcast listeners, we'll read that.
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So Labour got 34% of the vote share.
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The Tories got 24%.
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The Lib Dems got 12%.
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Reform got 14%.
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The Planned Poverty Government got 1%.
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Look how big the light blue wedge is there.
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Share of seats in parliament, less than 1% for Reform.
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They didn't even have enough seats to get a mention on Sean's pie chat.
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No, they're not.
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So looking at this from the other side, because you know, political politics is not biased.
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You can see why they don't feel necessarily represented.
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It isn't right, Hanwan.
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You are, I totally agree with you.
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Not really a landslide, no.
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I completely agree with you.
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You know, the fun fact of the election this time, Hanwan, and everyone else listening,
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was that Keir Starmer actually got less votes than Jeremy Corbyn did in 2019.
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Which is incredibly concerning because...
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First past the post doing first past the post things.
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Yeah, literally.
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and change the vote system.
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They're never going to change it.
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It is a hollow victory.
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I agree, you know, chat is very agreeing on this.
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A backdoor victory has been mentioned.
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So speaking about the electoral system, and going back to my point, I can see why they
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don't feel represented and I can see why there is this deep-seated anger.
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of them flocked to Reform.
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Because there was a lot of people saying, I'm not going to vote in this time, there's
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no point, nothing ever changes.
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Do you know, I would be interested to see the numbers of how many voters have voted
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for the first time that have never voted before and voted for Reform.
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The problem that I find, especially during the situation at the moment with Nigel Farage,
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is he is, some of the comments that he is making and the Twitter posts or the ex-posts
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that he's making and the social media presence that he's got, he is stoking the flames.
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He's not trying to, he's not helping, he's not trying to bring us together, he's not
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saying, okay, let's sit down, let's talk about this, what can we do?
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He is, he's making it worse.
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Another story of Elon Musk, now I actually got into a little bit of Twitter beef with
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Elon Musk yesterday.
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So I tweeted something and Elon Musk also tweeted something.
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And Elon Musk was basically having a go at Keir and saying all this really bad stuff.
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So I called him out and said, all right, come and speak to us, come and sit down.
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You seem to be an expert on the subject, Elon.
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He deleted my tweet.
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So I tweeted it again.
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Deleted that one.
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So I screenshotted it and then tweeted it.
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That one's still up.
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It is, yeah.
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It is, yeah.
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Weird.
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But Mr Dunne wants to know our views on immigration.
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Well, we could be here literally all night with immigration.
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Me and Sean have discussed this at length, off podcast, off stream.
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It's a very difficult subject.
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There's a very broad...
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And it's one of those subjects where no matter what side of the fence you sit on, you're
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wrong.
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Yeah.
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Would you agree?
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I would say to a certain extent, you could never be right with your view on immigration.
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I do feel that that is correct.
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So my view is I don't necessarily have a problem with immigration when it's done the right
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way.
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If you want to follow the legal routes, absolutely fine.
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My view is that we've taken in that many migrants that our economy hasn't caught up to that
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yet.
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We've sort of bloated ourselves.
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We've tried to help too many people at once.
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We have, yeah.
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And that's naturally a British thing to do.
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Yeah, we usually want control.
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It's a very British thing to do.
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I will make sure that I have a little bit less so you can have something.
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And I feel like the country has tried to help so many people, probably compounded by the
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fact there is so many world events going on.
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Ukraine, COVID-19, Middle East, all the other wars, Afghanistan, everything else that's
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been going on.
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Not to mention Hong Kong and all the other...
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Everything else that's been going on.
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Plus all the illegal migrants that have been coming over on the boats as well.
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And that naturally we want to help.
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We've just overstretched ourselves and there has to be a breaking point.
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And unfortunately for me, this is that breaking point.
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Yeah.
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And since...
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When you look at the numbers of immigration, it's very difficult because, you know, immigration
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needs to be split up into different categories.
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Yeah.
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So illegal immigration, which is a massive problem.
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We do have a huge problem with illegal immigration.
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That needs to be zero.
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Illegal immigration needs to be zero.
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Yeah, Katzner is absolutely right.
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It's not going to be getting better in the future, unfortunately.
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Compounded by other world events that are slowly rearing their ugly heads.
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Exactly.
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The...
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You've then got international students.
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Again, it's been too liberal with how international students have been dealt with.
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You know, international students could bring their whole family and six dependents if they
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wanted to.
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That's not right.
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If you're coming here as a student, come here on your own.
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Or maybe if you've got one child or something, you know, limit how many people are coming
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in.
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We want to help people, but there has to be a limit to how much we can help.
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Because my view is that we've tried to help that many people and we've overstretched ourselves
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that much, that we've opened ourselves up to more and more risks because we haven't
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been able to spend the money in the right places.
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Yeah.
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And like Mr Dunne has said there, taking money off pensioners whilst immigration costs gone
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6.8 billion.
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Immigration costs 6.8 billion.
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And that is completely an understandable point of view.
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Yeah.
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We need to regroup.
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And that means we have to lower the level of net migration, not to zero, like the far
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right is calling for, because we still need people to come here and work.
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There are still jobs and roles and other things that need to be done by the very people that
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are coming in.
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Look at Scotland as an example of this.
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Scotland has a very ageing population.
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Unfortunately, Scotland doesn't have a coastline on the channel.
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Scotland has a very ageing population and they need migrants to start building up their
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health service again.
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Look how trash the Scottish health services is.
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Again, yeah.
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And the Welsh health service as well.
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And that is a good point.
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But let's go back to the costs of it.
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And that is something that as a country we have let spiral.
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You know, we could have the cost of dealing with these immigrants, dealing with immigration,
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especially asylum and refugees could be substantially lower than it is now.
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Because we could be using sites that already exist, that have residential facilities on
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them to house them, that aren't currently being used.
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Instead, we're using hotels and B&Bs and, you know, things that cost quite a lot of
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money to the government.
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Yeah, we're paying a lot of money.
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So a lot of efficiencies can be made.
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But the problem is, and you know, we've seen it over the past few years, when you do try
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and make these cost saving efficiencies, you get shut down.
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Let's take Rwanda out of it.
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We all know that was quite expensive.
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So let's not worry about that.
447
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How much was it?
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350,000 a person for a plane to Rwanda.
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Something like that.
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But then you've got, then you've got, but look at the Bibby's Stockholm.
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That, that was an idea, you know, and one,
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Bibby's Stockholm.
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That holds a lot of people.
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It was a Dutch bow.
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It was a Dutch idea, you know, but as soon as the, even the concept of that, as soon
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as that was floated, oh no, and immigration groups.
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No, no, that's that.
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That's inhumane.
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It's not inhumane.
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We've got the, you know,
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Like, like, as the head man has said in chat here, homelessness is at an all time high.
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How many homeless people would have jumped at the chance to live on the Bibby's Stockholm?
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You know, it's at the end of the day, it's designed to be temporary.
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Yeah, it's temporary accommodation.
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When you come here as a refugee, you go into the asylum system.
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You come here temporarily, we'll house you temporarily.
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We'll get you a job and then you, you have to sustain yourself.
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That's the, that's what the system should be.
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I want to, to move on a little bit now to the online aspect.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:12,520
And this is the misinformation portion of it.
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So Sean, can you for me on your computer, can you grab up the Gov website for asylum
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seekers?
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Okay.
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And I want to try and crush some, some speculation here.
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Okay.
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So what page?
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There's a lot for asylum seekers.
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Is it the asylum seekers, what do I get page?
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Yes, this page here.
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So that is real by the way.
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So this is real.
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Yeah.
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I just wanted to confirm it and be able to show it to the stream.
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Where is it?
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Hang on.
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So this is the asylum support page from our government website, right?
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And it says here, what you'll get.
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You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.
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You'll be given somewhere to live if you need it.
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This could be a flat house, hostel or bed and breakfast.
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You cannot choose where you live.
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It's unlikely you'll get to live in London or Southeast England.
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00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,960
So just, just stop there for a moment.
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First of all, the fact that they've put in their London and Southeast England, does that
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mean that there's a lot of asylum seekers coming over here specifically to live in London
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and Southeast England?
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That's people will.
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Is there a reason for that?
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Because London is where the money is.
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Yeah.
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Is that the reason?
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A lot of that, you know, London has quite an expanded immigrant population anyway.
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So potentially family ties, friend ties, you know.
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So moving on cash support.
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Yes.
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So cash support.
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It says you'll usually get £49 and 18 pence for each person in your household.
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This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.
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Your allowance will be loaded onto a debit card each week and you'll be able to use the
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card to get cash from a cash machine.
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Yes.
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And then it goes on to talk about healthcare.
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So, so let's caveat that.
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So not every single asylum seeker gets £49 and 18 per week.
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Now it depends on your circumstances.
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If, if they're in accommodation that provides food, so bed and breakfasts, hotels, they
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get a little bit less than that.
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They get £8 and 86.
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That's not a lot.
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And that's to buy their toiletries.
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Per person per week.
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And that's to buy their, it's literally to buy their toiletries.
525
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,640
So that's £32 a week.
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For a family of four.
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For a family of four.
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But that's because the meals are provided.
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You don't have to buy food.
530
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Exactly.
531
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And stuff like that.
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So that's the misconception.
533
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Yeah.
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00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,520
So that's again, so this is why we wanted to run through this and we'll, we'll round
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it off at the end.
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And then the last point here is I've got on my page, there will be more on it.
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Yeah, there is.
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It's healthcare.
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Healthcare.
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Healthcare.
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You may get free national health service healthcare.
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So that's just to see a doctor or get hospital treatment.
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You'll also get, now I'm going to be honest, the first one pisses me off.
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Free prescriptions for medicine.
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So there is a free-
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Free prescriptions for medicine.
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Now if I want, if I go to the doctor and I need two medicines, I have to pay £19.
548
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,240
£18?
549
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,240
£9.50 now.
550
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,240
Oh.
551
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,240
I don't know, I haven't bought prescriptions in ages.
552
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So I have to pay £19.
553
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:19,000
I really begrudge paying the prescription charge because I already pay my national insurance.
554
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Yeah.
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So you have to pay that.
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00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,960
I do get it, but so there is a reason that healthcare is included when they come.
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00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:31,200
The next one angers me even more because I haven't even been able to get a place at one
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of these.
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00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,680
Free dental care for your teeth.
560
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,960
Oh yeah, they'll be lucky if they get in anywhere.
561
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,960
I haven't been able to get into a dentist for nearly two years now.
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Yeah.
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00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,720
But the crazy thing is, so as I said, there is a reason that we provide healthcare to
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them because for refugees and asylum seekers, because they're coming here potentially from
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war-torn areas.
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00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:02,680
So they could have, they could have injuries or chronic illness from being exposed to certain
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00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,640
elements or whatever, you know, there is reasons for it.
568
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,640
Yeah.
569
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,640
You know.
570
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:15,280
From, you know, someone, you know, someone that's protesting this evening or rioting,
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whichever way you want to put it.
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00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,640
You can see why they'd get angry reading this.
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00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,240
Oh, a hundred percent, a hundred percent.
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00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,880
You can see why they're going to get angry reading this because they get free prescriptions,
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00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,640
free dental care, free eyesight tests, help pay for glasses, money given to them every
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week, somewhere to live.
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00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:39,720
Meanwhile, like chat has very much said, homelessness is at an all time high.
578
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,880
We're spending 6.8 billion pounds.
579
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,240
Oh, that's 6.8 billion pounds over budget.
580
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,800
Yeah, I know.
581
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,520
See where this anger has bubbled up from.
582
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,480
I do completely understand that.
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00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,120
The representatives of the far right, let's call them.
584
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They, they're doing nothing but fanning the flames.
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They're trying to incite violence in my opinion.
586
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,200
Yeah.
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I understand.
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00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:12,640
And the problem is they don't, this isn't potentially always what they're arguing over.
589
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,560
A lot of the violent protests that are going on or the violent scenes that are going on
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at the moment, a lot of the people involved in them, you could ask, get three of them
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00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,240
in separate rooms, ask them what they're doing it for.
592
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,360
And all of them would give you different answers.
593
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:28,360
Yeah.
594
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:30,760
So, and this is why I wanted to talk about the online aspect.
595
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:31,760
Yeah.
596
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,920
This is online and this information is free and anyone can go on and read this on the
597
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,920
government website.
598
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,920
Yeah.
599
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,160
Let's turn our attention to TikTok, shall we?
600
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,600
TikTok, X, Telegram, they're all as bad as each other.
601
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,600
Yeah.
602
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,080
So all you have to do, so what I'm going to do, look, I'm on TikTok right now.
603
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,920
You can see that on the stream and for the podcast, I'm on TikTok right now.
604
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:59,480
And I'm literally the top searched results, top search today is UK protests live now.
605
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,880
A lot of it at the moment is peaceful protests.
606
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:02,880
Okay.
607
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,880
A lot of it at the moment is protesting against the protests.
608
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,040
I mean, maybe on Thursday there's going to be a protest against protests.
609
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,040
Yeah.
610
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,080
People have been protesting the anti-protests of the protests.
611
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,080
Yeah.
612
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,080
There's a lot.
613
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,080
But the, so.
614
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,080
There's a lot going on.
615
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,440
This Weebly bin has been set on fire and has thrown up police in Leeds.
616
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,440
Just to give everyone a quick update.
617
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,120
Manchester has a lot of anti-protest protests.
618
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:31,400
But yeah, it goes back to, it goes back to even the start of this protest-ception.
619
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,960
It goes back to the, goes back to how this all started.
620
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,840
The misinformation online, the information that was shared about the person that committed
621
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,120
these crimes was wrong.
622
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,120
Wrong.
623
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,200
So it was claimed that he was a failed asylum seeker, that he came here on a boat.
624
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,200
Yeah.
625
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:52,320
That his parents, I mean, was it about his parents being from Rwanda or that was true?
626
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:58,080
So his parents, so after the details were released, we found out that he, his parents
627
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,080
were from Rwanda.
628
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,960
Which by the way, point of order, in UK law, Rwanda is a safe country.
629
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,960
No, it's not.
630
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:05,960
That law was ripped up.
631
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,960
Has it, has it been?
632
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:07,960
Of course it's been ripped up.
633
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,960
Has it been revoked yet?
634
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,960
Yeah, of course it has been.
635
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,760
Even so, the UK once in law said Rwanda was a safe country.
636
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,280
Yeah, but we still took refugees from there.
637
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,280
Yeah.
638
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:22,600
And he was born in Cardiff, moved to Lancashire and he was brought up in Lancashire.
639
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,960
He's lived in the UK his whole life.
640
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,360
He's gone to school in the UK.
641
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,360
You know, he hasn't known any different.
642
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,360
He was on TV.
643
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,360
He was Christian.
644
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,840
He did a TV advert with children in need, a Doctor Who themed one.
645
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:42,200
And all it took was for someone to whip something up, saying that he was an asylum seeker, post
646
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,840
that online and look where it's got us.
647
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:50,400
And the problem is it's when people, highly influential people.
648
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,680
Farage.
649
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,720
Not just Farage, it's Tommy Robinson.
650
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,720
Elon Musk.
651
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,040
Andrew Tay, Elon Musk.
652
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:03,440
They're all stirring up the arguments and the hatred and stoking the flames more.
653
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Yep.
654
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:14,560
And you know, Elon, like the first conviction under someone inciting hatred on Facebook
655
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,840
was handed down this week from these riots.
656
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,840
Yeah.
657
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,920
Now, interesting point you make there.
658
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,440
How do you place this, right?
659
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,080
Because what's the end game here?
660
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,080
Right?
661
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,520
We know that social media is a big problem.
662
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,520
Okay.
663
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,520
Where does Keir go?
664
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,520
Right?
665
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,520
What is his final call?
666
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,840
Does he turn off access to the internet?
667
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,680
I need the internet to do my job.
668
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,120
You literally work for an internet based company.
669
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,160
You literally don't have a job.
670
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,560
I literally do if it's screwed around here.
671
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,840
You can't restrict access to social media.
672
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,640
No, again, that would be un-policeable.
673
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,160
But again, the posts and people on social media is un-policeable as well.
674
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,240
You'd need a team of thousands of people to constantly track.
675
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,240
Don't get me wrong.
676
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,240
They are.
677
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,240
Addresses.
678
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,680
You know, we're expected, where I work, obviously, we receive requests like that from the police
679
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:07,920
all the time about requests for, well, we don't.
680
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,320
We have to be aware of them already.
681
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,880
We don't receive that often actually.
682
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:18,080
The police have the powers at all times to request IP data, address information, personal
683
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,040
information based on an IP address, and we have to provide it.
684
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,760
The hand-run and chat race is a good point as well.
685
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,920
AI has made it so much worse and a lot easier and faster to create this kind of content.
686
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:28,920
Yeah, 100%.
687
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:37,760
And then when platforms like X, for example, allow bots to create, yeah, these bots to
688
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,760
create...
689
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,680
So for those of you who don't know what the podcast that we're recording this evening,
690
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,400
we do a first, second, and third on our channel.
691
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,400
Funny.
692
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,560
And Tops, who never gets first, has just got her second in a row.
693
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,160
This is probably the most heroic thing anyone's ever done.
694
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,160
A third row.
695
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,160
A third row.
696
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,160
A third row.
697
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,160
A third row.
698
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,160
A third row.
699
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,160
A third row.
700
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,160
A third row.
701
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,160
A third row.
702
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,160
A third row.
703
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,160
A third row.
704
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,160
A third row.
705
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,160
A third row.
706
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,160
A third row.
707
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,160
A third row.
708
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,160
So where were we, Sean?
709
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,160
Sorry.
710
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,520
Oh, yeah.
711
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,440
Platforms like X allow bots...
712
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,040
To create this horrible content?
713
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:25,000
Well, no, what they allow is they allow fake profiles to flood their platforms with it.
714
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,440
So on Twitter, or X, fucking stupid name...
715
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,440
Oh, just call it Twitter.
716
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,440
I still call it Twitter.
717
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:38,080
So on Twitter, hashtag UK riots was trending and it was number two on the trending list
718
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,040
it's been trending for days.
719
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,040
If you go on that now, every post is a bot account
720
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,920
that's got a link to an address
721
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,520
that you probably shouldn't go to
722
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,800
because it'd probably give you some sort of virus
723
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,560
or some sort of scam.
724
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,200
But the problem is Elon Musk allows this to happen.
725
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,400
Yeah.
726
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,280
So ex, formerly known as Twitter, yes.
727
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,680
So yeah, this process, I'm just,
728
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:06,960
I literally have opened Twitter
729
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,520
and the very first thing that I see is protests in Blackpool.
730
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,700
What else we got?
731
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,080
Justice, Pretty Patel.
732
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,960
She's obviously wanting to be a campaign.
733
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,840
There's a lot of anti-protest protesters.
734
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,320
You know, there's, so for example,
735
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,040
there's some picket scientists.
736
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,600
Newcastle loves black and white
737
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,640
because their football shirt is black and white striped.
738
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,040
Reject racism.
739
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,360
Let's be honest, not all,
740
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,000
like sometimes you have to go out
741
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,400
and look for some of the stuff on Twitter,
742
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,520
but some of the awful stuff.
743
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,160
But with, as I was saying,
744
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,920
with the UK riots hashtag, for example,
745
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,520
it was trending for days.
746
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,720
And then because of these bots
747
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,160
and it was spreading misinformation,
748
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,680
it was saying riots were going off in towns
749
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,180
and cities where they weren't.
750
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,440
And it was just a link to then a page that,
751
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,840
as I said, it was probably a scam or some virus or something.
752
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,240
So something needs to be done about that,
753
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:12,280
but it's so that you can,
754
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,000
the government can only do so much.
755
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,120
We've got the online safety act, very new legislation.
756
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:17,960
So I'm just scrolling through X.
757
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,280
It's already been toughened up.
758
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,040
Twitter, X, whatever it is.
759
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,080
And just to give you an idea of what
760
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,560
the right-minded people are up against,
761
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,840
the sane people are up against,
762
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,200
this is a message that was sent to one of our MPs
763
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,800
and I apologise for the language,
764
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,760
but it needs to be said for effect, okay?
765
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,040
You are 100% a stupid bitch.
766
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,240
I hope one of your family members gets killed or raped
767
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:44,960
by one of the illegals that you support.
768
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,040
Go and fuck yourself.
769
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,200
Jesus Christ.
770
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,040
But here you go.
771
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,560
Here's the example of literally what I was talking about.
772
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,360
So this is the UK riots hashtag.
773
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,720
And so where it says sensitive content,
774
00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:58,680
that isn't actually a video that's been flagged as sensitive.
775
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,480
If you click on it, it's a link.
776
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,400
Right.
777
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,920
And it's, so that one is crowds in Derby.
778
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,320
There's no protests going on in Derby right now.
779
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:08,720
Here's another one.
780
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:10,480
So I've just looked at another image in Plymouth.
781
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,320
And you just...
782
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,200
And it's about, this young girl is maybe five or six years old
783
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,000
and she's got two middle fingers up at the police.
784
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000
And the problem is they just allow this
785
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,320
to be flooded on the internet.
786
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,120
And of course it's gonna spark more hatred,
787
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:29,120
more violence when, because it's what it's designed to do.
788
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,040
It's the whole reason that people are posting it.
789
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,560
Every other post is something to incite and inflame
790
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,720
and to spread misinformation.
791
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,320
And nothing gets done to fact check this.
792
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,920
There's a community fact check on X of course, but...
793
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,920
Which through the election was quite good.
794
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,760
It was quite good, yeah.
795
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,160
Because it was led by the community.
796
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,920
And there was people out there that wanted to make sure
797
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,280
that it was a free and fair election.
798
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,720
And obviously, you know, we're one of the last countries
799
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:56,320
that actually still have proper, true, free and fair elections.
800
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,160
Free elections.
801
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,000
I wouldn't call them fair.
802
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,200
Well, the electoral system is something
803
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,440
to be desired obviously.
804
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,920
But yeah, Mr. Dunn, you are right.
805
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,880
I haven't seen any actual riots so far this evening.
806
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,200
No, it looks like things are stirring up in Brighton.
807
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,040
Oh, does it?
808
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,600
From what I've seen on X.
809
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,400
But honestly...
810
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,080
It's mostly just anti-racism.
811
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,120
It's more peaceful protests.
812
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,200
Which is good to see.
813
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,600
I'm glad to see people coming out and damaged
814
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,160
and proving that these people that go out
815
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,600
and smash up towns and cities and...
816
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,040
I think maybe tonight...
817
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,400
Don't prove that we aren't all like that.
818
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,280
We're coming to the end of the show, unfortunately.
819
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,200
But I think tonight has been a bit of a show of force.
820
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,440
But for the...
821
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,000
I don't want to say left wing.
822
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,800
I think that's a bit too broad.
823
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,280
It's for the British population.
824
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,480
But yeah, I think...
825
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,360
You know, it shows that we're not all steak bakes.
826
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,080
Yeah, we all have the IQ of one, Sean.
827
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,000
You know, it's quarter past nine now.
828
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,040
All of this stuff was supposed to kick off at eight o'clock.
829
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,600
You know, are they waiting till it goes off?
830
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,200
Are they waiting till it gets darker?
831
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,360
We are in the summer months.
832
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,520
Are they waiting for the...
833
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,440
But if that's the case, then that just proves the point.
834
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,840
That they're waiting for it to get dark.
835
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,160
So it's easier to commit the crime.
836
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,400
So we're going out to commit in the first place.
837
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,320
Are they waiting for the counter protests
838
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,920
to sort of dissipate a little bit?
839
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,280
Because they are heavily outnumbered at the moment
840
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,280
with police and counter protesters.
841
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,160
So are they waiting for the numbers to go down
842
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,360
so they can then come out?
843
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,960
You know, it's something to keep an eye on.
844
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,400
But I'm hoping that we may have got through this evening.
845
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,200
But if that is the case,
846
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,320
you think of the waste of taxpayers' money
847
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,360
on the 6,000 extra police officers
848
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,960
that they've deployed this evening.
849
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,360
Oh, here we go.
850
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,200
No, it is.
851
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,720
Talking Pollux is back to his regular scheduled programming
852
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:40,680
already.
853
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,120
You know what I'm saying?
854
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,440
It is, it's causing...
855
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,760
Oh, that was a waste of money, wasn't it?
856
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,480
It's causing a burden on the system.
857
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:48,400
I know.
858
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,400
Like that's...
859
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,240
It's just not right.
860
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:52,680
I know.
861
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,000
The thing is that they're saying right
862
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,080
because of the stabbing.
863
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,040
And it is, yeah.
864
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,120
As Tops very rightly points out,
865
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,360
it's taken away from these pre-innocent children
866
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,280
that have lost their lives.
867
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,360
Think of the families.
868
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,400
None of them have been able to mourn
869
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,320
because they're probably feeling well guilty
870
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,840
that the death of their daughter has caused these riots.
871
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,920
And I really hope that they don't feel or think that at all.
872
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,920
It's just an excuse, any excuse,
873
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,000
and it really doesn't help when you've got public figures
874
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:23,840
fanning the flames.
875
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,440
So we'll review this next week, of course.
876
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:27,480
Most definitely.
877
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,320
Next Wednesday.
878
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,440
If it's still going on.
879
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,280
If it's still going on.
880
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,120
I'm sure.
881
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:31,960
Talking Pollux returns.
882
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,280
Obviously it's summer recess at the moment,
883
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,000
the parliament, so it's a bit of a difficult one to gauge.
884
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,360
Twitch as well, the first Talking Pollux Live.
885
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,600
We hope you enjoyed.
886
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,000
This conversation has barely even began.
887
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,440
Yes, I know, but nobody wants to listen
888
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,960
to a four and a half hour podcast, Hanwan, unfortunately.
889
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,120
Has to be bite-sized.
890
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,800
There's gonna be more to come, I feel.
891
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,320
The world is on a bit of a knife edge
892
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,280
and Britain is walking along it today.
893
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,360
So, right.
894
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,160
Thank you for listening.
895
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,360
Don't forget, you can email us,
896
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,720
talkingpolluxatquiffandsean.com.
897
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:15,560
You can also get us on X if you want to.
898
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,880
You can understand if you want to stay away
899
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,280
from that right now.
900
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,360
Or you can join the Discord as well,
901
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,880
which you can get from, well,
902
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,040
you'd have to go to our page on Twitch or X to get that.
903
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,320
Right, Sean, anything else from your good self?
904
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,400
No, I think I'm okay.
905
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,240
You think you're okay?
906
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,680
I think I'm all right at the moment.
907
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,800
We're safe, we're marked safe
908
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,960
from not being an idiot tonight.
909
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,480
X is a toxic place, Hanwan, you're right.
910
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,480
Oh, it is awful.
911
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,320
It is.
912
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,360
Well, chat, thank you for listening.
913
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,760
Podcasters and Spotifyers and Apple Musicers,
914
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,680
thank you for listening as well.
915
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,840
We will see you and we'll be back tomorrow on the stream,
916
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,400
next when per the Thursday for the podcast
917
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,120
on Wherever You Get Them.
918
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,080
We love you lots, we'll see you soon.
919
00:39:59,080 --> 00:39:59,920
We love you.
920
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:00,760
See you later, bye.
921
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:01,600
Bye.
922
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:02,440
Bye.
923
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,280
Bye.
924
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,120
Bye.
925
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,960
Bye.
926
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:05,800
Bye.
927
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,640
Bye.
928
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,480
Bye.
929
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,320
Bye.
930
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,160
Bye.
931
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,000
Bye.
932
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:10,840
Bye.
933
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,680
Bye.
934
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,520
Bye.
935
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,360
Bye.
936
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,200
Bye.
937
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,040
Bye.
938
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:15,880
Bye.
939
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,720
Bye.
940
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:17,520
Bye.
941
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,480
Bye.
942
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,280
Bye.
943
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,120
Bye.
944
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:20,940
Bye.
945
00:40:20,940 --> 00:40:21,780
Bye.
946
00:40:21,780 --> 00:40:22,580
Bye.
947
00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:32,560
Bye.
948
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,400
Bye.
949
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,480
Bye.
950
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:39,880
Bye.
951
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:40,640
Bye.
952
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:41,480
Bye.
953
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,600
Bye.
954
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:43,440
Bye.
955
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Bye.
