Leo Ignites: Mars Jupiter

20261101: Welcome to Talk Cosmos, the show where Sue Rose Minahan and her guests bring you insightful conversations to awaken heart and soul consciousness. Come journey with us, exploring the meaningfulness of astrology's energetic cycles. Get ready to understand your path in the cosmic roots of the stars. Hi everybody, Talk Cosmos. I'm Sue Minahan, and today is November 1st. It's All Saints Day or Sawin. And a wonderful well, for many people, sometimes it's the seventh when the sun is exactly at 15 degrees, right in the middle of the northern hemisphere. Winter, the darkest moment, the deepest within Scorpio, where we're revealing. And today we're revealing a lot. Our subject is actually revolves around Leo, which if you look at the archetypal energy is square. It's a but it's about Mars and Jupiter and the South Node, all in Leo. And it's a monumental event. I had only realized when I did a deep dive into researching. Won't you know, Scorpio, thank you. So let's get started. 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Yes, Sean's a speaker, an executive, a motivational leadership speaker as well. And organizer and he focuses on digital business since nineteen ninety eight and he's worked with many of the renowned astrologers, everybody from Michael Luton, Henry Setzler, Jan Spiller, Kelly Fox, Jeff Jowers, Rick Levine, you name it. It's he's got a huge inventory because he understands astrology. He can connect. And as as indicated in the two thousands when he really was the the driving force of of bringing tarot.com to its mega visibility. So really glad to have you. Great to be here. Well we are talking about this rather exceptional conjunction that on the surface seemed like, yeah, the planets are getting together. But the South Node is with it. But here we have Jupiter and Mars. In Leo doing their grand parade of life. Because they do have big voices, right? Jupiter needs to speak its its its philosophies. It has an opinion, has a perspective. Sure. Yeah. Any thoughts we can elaborate? Well, as a ninth house, Mars and Leo, I understand this energy pretty well, Natalie. And as a Jupiter and Leo, Natalie, I understand that too. good. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. You know, isn't it wonderful how here we have the both of you. I mean nate universe is putting us together. Well, Jupiter could actually be like the sun. You know, it's it's composed of the helium and the hydrogen, and because of its magnitude it's keeps our gravitational pull in the solar system, but it expands everything it touches. And Mars is our go engine. factor, it's assertiveness. It's not not to put any label as far as intention, but it wants to activate, it needs to move. it's the first one on the outside of Earth that's reaching towards the outer space. It says, Hey you guys, there's stuff happening out there. What do you think? Yeah, it it's about drive, regardless of sign, right? It it's about drive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In a huge way. And in between them is the what? It's fireballs. if I was to look at different aspects of fire like Aries as a spark and Sagittarius as a campfire, and I think of Leo and Mars and and Jupiter together, I'd think of a fireball. Yes. Well and interestingly with that, right, so we get Mars who is naturally related to Aries, Jupiter who's naturally related to Sagittarius, and now they're in the third. of the fire sign. So the missing fire sign presence is showing up by the sign that they're in. Mm. That's a really interesting way to put it together. And I hadn't really considered that, Laura. That is right on the money. But Jupiter Jupiter with that with that kind of optimistic aspects that it has and Mars is that warrior coming together in that, you know, sign of Leo, which you know, sometimes like like Leo is the director. but it's also self, right? It's like the sun is one you know, one of those bodies that rules it. And I I think the sun being fire is you know, in and of itself. And putting those energies together really is a recipe for fiery volatility on the kind of hard to deal with side and just deep compassion for everything on the other side, that universal compassion of Leo coming out. There is that love with Leo. But but interestingly it loves what it loves. And it depends on how far the other people i are involved that extend to its love embracing, you know, is it all of humanity? Or and then here with the South Node in Leo, it could be more what matters for your own self. But yeah, there it is that interesting dichotomy, isn't it? Yeah. yeah, that south node is like cleaning up the litter box, right? Sean, if you can still move, yeah, move in a little bit. Yeah, we're finding goody goody goody. Okay. Well, here is Leo, the lion, and what a grand mane. I mean it has prominence just in it's shining like the sun. You know, it's giving clarity to everything and clarity to self. I think that's what this is so strong when you get the three of the you know, the Jupiter and the Mars. Along with the south known, all in Leo, that sun is giving clarity to every single dream, intention, and and giving confidence because Leo is so confident. Yep. Mm-hmm. And well maybe illuminating too, right? I think about it rather than necessarily like giving confidence, it's illuminating where we can step into something with confidence and sh highlighting that for us. That is important. Important. Thank you for that clarity too. And I think the piece with the South Mode is then using that as that resource. What tools have we already acquired? What skills do we already have that we can be bringing forward? Yes. And if there's something thwarting it, just a minor shadow of our perspective, remove that. But you're absolutely right. You know, it is our strength to to use creativity. I mentioned the sun and the sun is squaring this conjunction. yes. Scorpio. And so I see this as whoa, there's this desire to have all this pride moving forward, but there's an obstacle within it. and it's and it's this watery nature of transformation. It's like, no, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's deep too. It's deep. You know, like they say still waters run deep, but Scorpio is deep and Icy, right? It it has what does it take to melt it? No, it preserves things. They are finding all kinds of wonderful things up in the Alps, you know. But yet well, this slide sort of goes over these factors we've said about the grant illusions, the visibility of leadership, big actions, but yet it is a top-down authority and we are moving in this chart particularly more towards the yeah decentralization. This gets into some of the research. It's like how unique is this? Like in what priority are we looking at it? And again, I found some of this truth that I'll share later and just shared with Laura and Dr. Tad and Sean a moment ago. But in common Era, this is the only time that the three of them are conjunct Mars, South Node, and Jupiter at the same degree. They happen to be 25 degrees. the the nodes just a few minutes away. But there were three four other times when the South Node was in Leo during those times. But the last time was well, we'll show 600 years ago. It was 35 common era. when Christian movement began and the Roman imperial power was establishing their right of being, their in their which took still hundreds of years to complete. And in then you flip four hundred years about and it it was four thirty six when the Roman Empire was falling apart and repositioning their Rome the capitals of different cities like Milan and Constinople as their own city states so that they away from Rome, which is interesting. And then in eight seventeen there was on the main Europe Charlemagne who had finally gathered all the the groups together, but his son and his grandsons managed to break that all apart because they wanted autocratic rule. And it backfired. The the nobles went, No way, we're not having this autocratic rule happening. And again you can see what's I thought fascinating both to Laura and Sean is that even though the nodes are at a distance, all the conjunctions were right within a degree orb or exact to this conjunction right now. So they have some element of importance like this one at 817 with Charlemagne is twenty five degrees just like us I mean it on November sixteenth so then f the last one was in twelve eight now that's interesting now how come it says PayPal? No that's Paul. Yeah PayPal the old PayPal any rate but there were land seizures and there was a lot of again political yeah, thank you. Well well well that was the rise of Genghis Khan. very amazing and that destroyed the the the the golden age down there of the Muslim there were there were crusades across Europe, assassinations. The rise of Genga's Khan. I believe that The University of Oxford or something like that came up when I was looking at that at twelve eight. It was like getting its in England of the Apple protection you know and legal framework happened around then. But the Genghis Khan thing was huge 'cause that like he dominated Asia into the you know, Eastern European countries just dominated. Yeah. Right. I mean it's something like four percent of the planet is related to him. I am I I have bee blood. I'm a Mongol. Yeah. Well yeah. Yeah, be bee blood originated in Mongolia and and the only way it spread in the world was through Genghis Khan's. My husband his family has bee blood too. My Bob has bee blood. Well, your brothers Beside yeah. Well here So in other words, it was six hundred years ago that we had any slight memory of this Leo with the South Node affecting this conjunction. And here it shows again a little graph that I that wrote up in of the actual degrees of of the South Node. But right now It is really interesting that it even though the node isn't involved that It's all within a a degree of this upcoming one. And so it's all in this last decant, it's all in the last half of your largely or like halfway through the last decant. Yeah. and so speaking to that Mars energy, if we do, right, that it's if it's in Leo, then it brings the last decan brings us to Aries. in terms of the energy that it embodies. Yeah. And I suppose too the very fact that Leo is ruled by the sun and yeah, anyway, I won't go all there. But it it for some reason it the y sometimes the universe shows these patterns and it's like, well why is that? But from my mind, I'm thinking this particular And will show up later how pivotal it is because it's the first one where there was a conjunction in two thousand three hundred and some years. This actually goes back to before common era and will show that. So perhaps having that repeated orb in orb by one degree, twenty four, twenty three, twenty four, twenty three, twenty four, which 'cause we're twenty five right now is in Leo, is is like a accent saying, Hey, this is what There's and particularly I think with it being the South Node, it's like okay, having to what have we not gotten in the past that we need to look at. That and this will come up with the next ones because you'll see in before Common Era what two total leaders manipulated unbelievably just to have power. And we are now shifting and there's a by-wheel because Partly because well, partly because our Pluto's in Aquarius, it wants networking. But here we go back to what Sean you had said. This is the chart, folks, of November 16th. In some places like Hawaii, it's the 15th, but practically everybody else, as Laura pointed out, is on the 16th. And on the East Coast in Washington, DC, just to anchor it somewhere, it's early in the morning, one o'clock in the morning, 1:23, 25 a.m. This is a true node. This is an Aries chart. So Forget the houses is just an Aries chart. And I put a star over the conjunction. And then I also there's just a few here that we're really interested in looking at what relates to that con triple conjunction because there is a T square with the sun, the nodes, and then there's also this with the conjunction and and south node, a mystic rectangle that includes. Venus opposite Chiron and Eris. And then the the Chiron trine. I think it's each other. Well, no, c not Chiron, but the mini the the talent trine what you're speaking of with Chiron. Chiron is trining the Jupiter Mars conjunction. Mm-hmm. Chiron at twenty seven Aries trines. yes, yes, yes, yes. We have we have two points of thalus here. We have Chiron and and and then on the other side we have Venus creating a point of thalus between so it's a really dynamic chart, but that sun, it just sticks out to me because it rules Leo and it squares the nodes and it's like something dark and hidden. And when I compared this chart against the US Sibley chart. It put the sun in the twelfth house. I was like, whoa, there's some hidden stuff that's gonna go really through November. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and it's a long chapter. All of this Tim in a way is how we see a wave and we see particles, like a little snapshot here, but we're in the wave. So like you were saying, to see this snapshot versus that snapshot, it's what what's the movement and it's a huge consciousness shift into power structure into listening just like Charlemagne had to listen to the nobles. He couldn't just get away with passing on. Yeah, I could just hope that that that that north node really pulls pulls us all together. It's a very group statement aspect, a very group aspect. In that regard, look at Uranus, because it's in Gemini, as we know, and it's seven years in Uranus. It's early, four degrees. It's gonna go retrograde again. Or it is retrograde, thank you. But it is sudden change sudden in the moment. occurrences that you can't project. So life, whether it's the earth or whether it's other people, all of this are adding like a cauldron into this whole mix. So we can have hope. Thank God as for that. Well, shall we go to the next one? Do we have because I think Venus is you're absolutely right when you talk about the point of sales, because folks that means that those are energies that are connecting and flowing between something that's an opposition. And here you have what we're talking about, this moment in time where there Mars, the action, Jupiter, the expansion, and the South Note of what our strengths are with creativity and leadership, but maybe neglecting to see the selfish or the shadow part of it, like who where's the generosity, you know, to share among people? It's it's tied in with everything. But Venus is working on the relationships, you could say it's in its own sign. Well well and and at this point Venus has just turned around. So, you know, her long retrograde through Scorpio where she is, you know, hey, you know, the transformation of like our values. And I and I'll call it that because it's Venus values going through the sign backwards in tr you know, of s of transformation. And then into Libra to figure out how to harmonize and balance that. And as soon as she goes direct, because I believe she goes direct like a day or two before this, if I'm not The 13th and 14th, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. That she that she's like, okay, here, here, I need to harmonize things. And then this aspect happens. And she's at that point of like bringing diplomacy and harmony between the people. Yes, which I'll call that Uranus, or excuse me, the North Node and Aquarius, and the And the authoritarianism of Leo. And she's they're trying to harmonize those two things. And Mercury, since you brought that up, I'm so glad. Mercury also went direct, which we're still now in the throes of of both of these folks were were retrograde. But at that point, they will have gone direct. So they're really working together too, because Mercury is concerned with what are the resources still that we can make it how can we renegotiate those resources to make it Harmonious. I don't know if we have time for this now so much. So we'll maybe we'll bring this up and then talk about it later. But going back, six there's a six thousand almost five thousand eight hundred years conjunctions. It's only count them four. No, five, including this one, happening in all those years. Two of them. Which were in the three thousand hundred before Common Era would be either when one was three thousand eight hundred and sixty-five before Common Era. Well that was before writing. And it you know, in many ways it reminds me of okay, but it was civilization being the trade was being established. cities, agriculture, all the the the framework of what civilization yeah could produce the sharing of ideas and and trade because in five four hundred years later in three thousand four hundred and sixty four before common era that was when writing began with cuneiform and and the sim because trade really ex inspired it. People wanted to know how much barley and cows and whatnot and and and documented it down. But so and those were tight. You know, but then flipping to where we can talk about, I have two charts and maybe when we get back from the break we'll talk about those. Because it's amazing the the the two they happen to be women that were totally instrumental in demanding that life was manipulated for their power. One was the pharaoh, the Egyptian pharaoh, Hatshishput. Now I'm not saying that well, it's H-A-T-S-H-E-P-S-U-T. And she's legendary. She became Pharaoh, she established herself as pharaoh, it was always a man. She had herself depicted with a beard. She had huge monuments and established enormous trade routes. She totally ushered in a whole era. Since then, she was tried to re be removed from it. But then flipping forward, and that's when they were totally conjunct within a degree. And then three hundred and fifty seven before Common Era, which was in the Hellenistic times, this is These are the parents of Alexander the Great. And the reason we have Alexander the Great is because her his mother, who was a princess, refused to let the other consorts or queens rule. She did everything possible to be the leading one. She became the leading cult they call it cult, but Dionysus she was leader in in that and slept with snakes, which weirded out Philip, I guess. And she also said therefore that she had slept with Zeus, that Philip was not Alexander's father. Zeus, the king of kings, Jupiter was, which is interesting, Jupiter, right? And therefore Alexander thought he was of royal divinity, inherit With Achilles. So all in all, she also assassinated the only possible heir that could have come around and the Queen. So this does make me think about this idea of of fated leadership. Right? If you think about Jupiter and its relation to fate, that this is like it's been ordained by the gods. yeah. Thank you. Yes, because it is the Philosophy of the religious of Jupiter sad, the indeed. And yeah. And so with it being in the South Note, again this idea of like it is written. It's already been decided. It's not about the future. It's already been written. This is preordained. And we're now two thousand three hundred and eighty three years later, we're maybe it was eight hundred, three hundred and eight, I'm not anyway. But over Two thousand year years later. In fact it is longer than that. What am I saying? The point is we're regrouping our consciousness. we're in this another stepping stone, just like in february twentieth with Saturn and Neptune at zero degrees Aries about identity. This is another whole shift of of emphasis about Not just our identity, but how are we creating and using our leadership through our identity? Mm-hmm. Well looking at the story of the that that you were just talking about there, I and I see that as like maybe the negative part of this whole thing or what we're trying to clean up. Cause it seem and this post I read today, this this one sentence kind of kinda sum that up for me. And it was and it was This person saying it took me twenty nine years of life to realize that the cheat code of life is delusional confidence. And and that and and that really hit me. And I think about like the story of Philip and you know Alexander the Great and that delusional confidence that that the that the queen kind of put into the world there. Yes. And her name, by the way, folks, was Olympius, because we do have Olympias. Thank you. Olympias. Thank you. No, thank you. That I hadn't said. Well, together you're absolutely right. It is a shocking. That's why I had to bring this in and we hadn't discussed, but it just shifts the whole process because there are times when they're conjunct. Now, at this point, there's 44 minutes apart from nodes to the conjunction. That's just within a degree. And 357, it was just 28 minutes. So, all right. Well, I think we'll take a break. So, people, you can get your coffee, your water, whatever you need to do, and come right back because we have a whole bunch more. There's going to be retrogrades, and we're looking at them. And I'm with Dr. Laura Tad and Sean Kelly. 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Click like and subscribe so you never miss an episode and share it with a friend. To join in on our journey, sign up for our newsletter at TalkCosmos.com. And launch your week into the cosmic wonder. Okay, we're back again. And here is the first bywheel. We'll go over these a little bit. I know it I tried to make it clear. Then on the inside is the 1473 before Common Era when Olympius no, when the Egyptian Pharaoh Pharaoh. Yeah, the woman chose to be in rule. And then on the outside is this one on November sixteenth. And so there is a grand square with the conjunction, which involves then and this is between the two charts from their that conjunction. No, wait a minute. There's a grand square, yeah, with our conjunction. Go ahead, Laura. If I miss I'm trying, it's hard to see. Well there's both the grand one's a square T square and the other's a grand square. So this fourteen seventy three Mars Jupiter South Node makes a T square with the nodes and and that one is in all red. It's on the inside. You can kind of see it. Yeah, and it's with Juno, interestingly, and Pluto. Because Juno and Pluto are Yeah. Husband and or yeah, husband and wife. Yeah. And yeah, that's interesting. Siblings, I'm sorry. Juno Juno's husband wife. Jupiter's Jup Jupiter's Juno's husband. Thank you. And then there's a grand square also with the current one coming up on November sixteenth. And that is with our transiting sun, Sean brought up that we know, and the nodes. And with Vesta in the old chart, which is the flame. It's an asteroid. But it's really and and Yeah, there's that that that harsh, that what purity are we really saving, Sean, was bringing up too, so that there's this reevaluation of of of focuses there. And then there's two Thales points where again it's Venus in this chart that's looking at the To the nodes. Yeah, to this one. And then it is really confusing here. I'm sorry folks and Laura and Sean. And then the other one is Uranus. So it kind of parallels what we've been talking about, how important both Venus of that's interesting. Yeah, it is, isn't it? It's kind of giving the right Yeah, it it really is. she just pushed her way right through, which a person wants to do because she was a female and everybody was pharaohs and so she managed to do it, but then again she got squashed later, but she made huge changes. Yeah, yeah. Well it looks like the big the big difference here is really the position of the sun and the sun being in Scorpio, squaring everything versus the sun in Virgo, where it was analyzing everything. So that could be. Yeah, and she was renegotiating that being the fact it was with Pluto. Well, let's go to the next one. This is more recent. This has to do about Olympias and Philip when Alexander the Great. Yes, the parents of Alexander the Great that totally r changed the the the Roman Empire. And here it's on the inside, on the outside. And here again, Mars, Jupiter, and South Node and Leo are pivotal. There's a T square. with the current no, with yeah, it's okay. Th well they're conjunct. They're both at twenty-four, twenty-five degrees. Yeah. So whatever they're doing is operating with the rest of it. And again, so they're so we're really looking at that time when you have someone ruthlessly pushing agendas forward. Granted, you know, at that time it was very difficult to be female. In this case it was a female person who could be usurped by so many different wives, but she made sure that her she was primary and people think that she probably had something to do with assassinating Philip, because later she definitely assassinated the other queen and the baby's son. So that Alexander would go forward and again devise this idea that she was of divin his son the son was of divine origin. Mm-hmm. So Juno and Scorpio there at fourteen in the heart of it. So it's n renegotiating all that philosophical Consciousness because if you look at that T square, the sun again is working that is happening now is working with the current conjunction, the past conjunction, and involving yeah, the north node. It's trying to go towards the the Networking of people. And then of course you have the Thales, Point of Thales again, with Neptune this time operating. So maybe it's and maybe that was part of that or or speaks to that idea of divinely prophesized. Yeah. What and goes back to what you said about faded, Laura. Like what is really faded and what is what's our new perspective about identity? Who are we in association with heaven and earth? You know. And I think with Mars being so much about drive, if things are faded, how much Free will do we have with the actions that we take. Yeah. It's intention. Yes. What's our intention? And that gets back to that South Note in Leo. What are we thinking? Well, we have some time. Shall we go forward because we want to look at the retrogrades and then talk a little bit? Or did you think so? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's talk about here we are. We have a brief time here. Laura has we always tell a little bit and we'll get pretty there's a lot here you can go back to it. But she has a new course coming up and it will begin on November thirtieth. So that's coming up, folks. Yeah. Well, so that's just when the course opens. The first live Zoom class isn't till December third. So you get access to the learning platform on the thirtieth and the first class is the is December third. Excellent. And it'll be nine weeks. Well, so it's it is because of how it falls with the holidays. I see. So it's eight weeks of material, but it's an extra week because we're gonna skip Christmas week. Okay. and and the Zoom calls usually Thursdays, but then the last week this year we happened if it was Thursdays, one is Christmas Eve and one is New Year's Eve. So I'm not gonna have everybody on Zoom at eight o'clock at night on New Year's Eve. We'll meet the tape before. Very good. Okay. And you can always definitely just email Laura. She's excellent about getting back to you. Then the next is that in winter Hmm, cool. Great time for warmth. February twenty seventh to March sixth will be her goddess awakening retreat. boy. So go to mythic sky dot com for this awakening retreat. It'll have yoga and astrology. Make sure there'll be sound bowls. We've got a woman who's expat from Canada who lives in Nicaragua that's gonna be doing sound bowls. So there's a pool, a beach, turtles, it's fabulous. Yeah. Then following that again, Laura has a book called the Lunar Moon Journal. And in accordance with that, if you purchase that, it's a wonderful you can begin it at any time and keep a diary of your own experiences. She does a meditation on every Monday at noon and that's free, regardless, and with a meditation. So check that out. That's very powerful. That's what we all need, particularly now going into all of these huge changes that we're experiencing. Besides, you get a chance to really be one-to-one with Laura. And last but not least, she has a little book, just five dollars. It's a PDF, and it's all about your parent-child relationship with astrology. Now remember that Laura has a PhD and it is with this material, and she's been working on it for a long time with her clients and has a lot of. A wealth of information. So you have a lot to learn about that. Okay, and for AstroJam, coming up will be the Scorpio Gemini Moon next week with Amanda Pierce. And then Rob Pissetti, who's w Rob Sean knows it's part of Astro Jam, because AstroJam will be later, just before the holidays, and we're going to be doing Liberate Death Mysteries. Nobody'll know. I've got two in mind that I think I'll knock your socks off. But anyway. Between that, Rob has deep earth astrology to row these work two years for. He preempted it. I have a deck at UAC, and it's fabulous. What he says about astrology and the pictures are great. And we're going to be working with charts. It I don't know quite how it's going to work, but it'll be very exciting. So there you go. And just here's a few that we just did about midterm elections and Scorpio, Venus, start points, and autumn. Okay. Let's get back to our theme. We have Jupiter and Mars and Leo going with the South Node talking their stuff, and they're going to go retrograde. The pre-shadow. Jupiter's retrograde. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So there is a pre-shadow period. And the November 16th event will be during that pre-shadow period. The retrograde itself, remember we're talking about Jupiter at twenty-five degrees fifty-three minutes Leo. So the retrograde with Jupiter will be beginning to So these are the dates that we found. So what we were talking about was Jupiter getting back to this point. So this because Jupiter will go retrograde, it's going to cross back over this twenty-five degree point two times because of the retrograde. after this conjunction. So these are the other dates of it getting back there where this would get re-kicked. Yep. Isn't like the 11th or something on the previous well it'll be January 8th, 2024. It'll be in retrograde at 25 degrees, 53 minutes to be exact. And then because Jupiter spends three months racing through its degrees. Linda Berry talked about this quite a bit in one of her classes. And in nine months it goes retrograde over a certain section of degrees. It'll be from twenty seven to seventeen degrees, yeah, of of Leo is where this if you have anything between twenty seven and seventeen, it'll be for those ten degrees and it takes nine months slowly rehashing it. So the post shadow won't be until guess when. July fourth, twenty twenty-seven. We get to have our third take of this grand conjunction. Let's move forward. Here we have the two charts, and I'm just saying that so that we can also talk a little bit later. Yeah. Yeah. So here we have January eighth, here on the left. and these are Aries charts, remembering folks. And then on the right is July 4th, both in 2027, and both exactly when Jupiter will be 25 degrees 53 minutes. and as we can see, Jupiter here is first in a T-square with Chiron and Eris, which wants inclusivity. It wants us to heal, wants us to heal, like what you brought up, Laura. Just as my memory is going 'cause we all talked about this, but saying or or what's the shadow part of the Leo? How can we really be that confident, creative, illuminating self with all our ideas through networking? And it's and it's partly about our contracts, you know, it's with Juno. Yeah. God, it's interesting to really look at Mercury's journey across these three charts, across the the chart of the of the that's coming up here on the fifteenth, sixteenth, with Mercury at five, Scorpio. It's like, okay, well, what do we need to transform? It's kinda like in consciousness. When I look at the the retrograde chart and I see Mercury going, Okay, well, how do we practically apply that? It's in Capricorn at that twenty two. And it's interesting, it's pretty much midpoint to the sun moon. Mm. And it's the same degree as the Saturn Pluto conjunction in twenty twenty, January twelfth, twenty. I I just remember that so vividly. And when Ceres, Pluto, and Saturn were all at twenty two degrees Capricorn. I hadn't noticed that till you brought this up. And then and then the last chart, it's got Mercury at 27 Gemini. Going, okay, well, now that I've figured out what I need to transform and I've practically applied it, how can I communicate it? And it's right across from the galactic center, 27 Sage. And it's sextile, Jupiter at 25. Ooh, yes, so it changes its relationship, doesn't it? Because it's quinks. Well, it doesn't show that it's quinks because it has to be so tight within. but it's y it's not comfortable between twenty two Capricorn and twenty five Leah. No, it's not c it's not comfortable. It's gonna make it. Yeah. And it's going back to what this because that's a thirty seven thirty eight cycle where it's And it looks like with one next year. It will have just Mercury will have just stationed. Right? You've got a black S there, so that means it's just stationing direct. Yes. Right? and that's in July fourth. Yes. So that's all in Gemini. And it's in Just like this one where it's within days of its stationing direct. This is like within hours of its stationing directly. right. That's how it's called. Completely partile Vesta for that. Getting back to Vesta, isn't it? Which is the flame. It's the hearth of what we're honoring, what we're putting our vows to, what's sacred, our sacred flame. And that gets morphed around, but there is a sacred truth that we're really working for. Well let's see what Else we have here? We have a few minutes going forward. Kyron's moved on to forward. Okay. Anyway, yeah, go on. Sorry. That's okay. Because essentially, South Node, I had saw that I mentioned this in my post, but Laura in the conversation really brought it back again. South Node doesn't mean we have to throw it out. It's just how do we reframe and get rid of the toxicity? And so how do we get to that? Playful sense, that creative sense, that confident, that magmonious self. So it's restructuring leadership. It wants to be charismatic, but with humility. Maybe speaking to what you had talked about, Sean, of that s charisma that is not necessarily logically earned, right? That you that you see with children, right? Like a five year old is can be exuding a three year old exudes confidence that is disproportionate to their age and size. yeah. Yeah. Or their knowledge, yeah. Or their knowledge. And that part of Leo that is that just confident 'cause I'm confident. Yeah. Uh-huh. I don't know anything but boy, I'm I'm gonna talk like I do. well it is important. We got it is a matter of getting away from that linear. We're talking about Mercury, but stepping in because Mercury is a psychopomp. It goes down and underneath, you know, to the underworld and up again. So we don't need to be linear. We can be using our intuitiveness. So we're asking ourselves, these are what are we creating? 'Cause it can be an opportunity. It can be and what do we want a champion if we're Alexa if we're that mom? What do we want to champion with blind ambition? yes, that's still looking at the networking, the community that we're being part of, our leadership within it. It's not just a group, but it's us being integral at putting our 'cause actually right now, as you had said, Laura, and I t absolutely agree, the arts is the way through the dis this The negativity of the the gloom, doom, whatever. It's like just use what we have and what we can be. Yeah. That's yeah, I was saying a maybe it was a little over a year, you know, two year over a year ago. I was watching the Tonies and just was struck with this sense of like, this is our way out of dystopian reality. The arts are our way out. They too is our way out. Again and again, whether it's poetry, T. S. Elliott, not that I don't remember all of his, but he did in such a wacky way it group good attention or whether it's Walt Whitman or whether it's the great st films that we have over and over the abundance of Netflix, you know, telling us stories that maybe we learned in some part of school, but history suddenly becomes alive through the whole feature. You know, we be an artwork. Well, I think part of that is like 'cause Creativity in art is not as confronting even though it can be confronting material, people are can be more willing to listen if it's not being lectured. It's not a yeah intellectual lecture that can be harder to absorb, that you can be more resistant to absorbing conflicting ideas, where art there's more space to take it in and digest it. It's and personalize it. The thousand words to a picture and then music. I know Sean, you'll have something to say. When you think of music, it it engenders so much more than anything, the tonality. Yeah, it does. You know, I I I just the the only comment that I really want to lift up here that was I was inspired by out of what was just said was, you know, Leo is the heart. And the question I'm asking myself as I go through and unpack all this with y'all is Okay, the heart is here. How can I serve the group with the heart? Yes. That's again and again. Yeah. That's that's that's really what I'm taking out of our conversation today. And and the artistic aspect of things, the expression of that, the universal communication that comes out of that art, whether it's music or or film or or painting, is a reflection of that where we can Transverse comes to mind or you know, get over obstacles of ego and things of that nature. You know, so Laura, beautifully put. Yeah, I love all this because it it you know, again and again it repeating like the prison that you're saying, the essence, but just being shown through a different angle. Like Looking at these long actual th we may look at this as yes, it's Mars and Jupiter and the South Node, but they're all together. This little kernel that's been one of six conjunctions since six thousand almost six thousand years. That's another parallel to have us express heart in this whole story of identity. You know. well that does help kind of And I think maybe within that like so connecting to what we're passionate about because given the state of the world right now, it's very easy for people to just feel such a level of hopelessness and resignation that there's nothing that can be done or apathy because of the state of the world and in reconnecting with the heart to as a antidote to to that, as an antidote to the apathy. And because that is where our empowerment is. We were talking about fate and free will. We have choice there. We can cre you can create what you love or enjoy what you love. That is a choice at every moment that we own is our you know with with the Olympian gods, even if we look at it from their standpoint. Zeus said, Hey folks, you know what? It's up to you. You choose whether you want the full or you want the negative. Possibilities. I think that's the key. I just want accountability. It's I'm pretty simple. I just want accountability. What's a good cap for your I love it because that goes back. That is the message. You're right. It can't just be stomping over things. It's like yep, accountability. The buck it Yes, ma'am. We answer to ourselves. thank you. Thank you, Sean Kelly. Coming back here. You've been on several and Dr. Laura Tad who's true and and and always the per wonderful voice on this program once on the first Monday. So thank you everybody for listening and keep her heart. Sunday. Mercury's retrograde. yeah, yeah. Thank you. But we're yes, and for all those that are listening later and Thank you for joining this vibrant conversation on Talk Cosmos. Every week, Sue Rose Minahan and her guests explore life's deeper meanings through astrology's energetic patterns. If you loved today's episode, hit like, subscribe, and share it with a friend. We'll be back next week. Same time, same place, to continue our journey together through the roots of the cosmic pathway.