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Welcome back to the Telosive EV podcast, Mike.
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I was retired.
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We brought him out of retirement because we had this
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unique opportunity to film a podcast in the Telo. What? What?
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He just woke up. I drugged him and got him
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in here.
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I don't know where I am.
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There's eight feet of storage space for bodies and four-by-eight sheets, so...
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I don't remember the tele being eight feet long. No,
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just the bed. Actually... If we lower that.
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It probably is longer than eight feet.
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Oh, yeah. It has to, because the eight-foot sheet goes
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to here with the telegate up.
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But, I don't know.
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I thought it was symbolic, because we've come full circle now,
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where you introduced... Tello to me on this podcast.
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And then you became so busy that we couldn't do
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the podcast.
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Indirectly. Very, very indirectly. That's all your fault. If you
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think about it.
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So you can thank me for ending the podcast now.
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We're back. This is our annual EV podcast.
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This is our check-in.
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That special time of the year. Lots happened, I feel like,
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in the EV space. Not really. Not much. Our two
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deliveries have Actually begun, I think. That wasn't happening in
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the last episode. Oh, yeah, you got a purple.
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We went to go see the R2. My wife did
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not get to see it, and she enjoyed it.
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Oh, yeah, I think that may have been the last
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time I saw you, was when we both drove the R2.
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We both drove the R2, and there's footage of that.
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There's footage of that.
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There's video evidence. Right. But how did your wife like it?
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What did she think? She liked it.
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She thought it was great. She, at first, was like,
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is this the actual same size as a Model Y?
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Oh, yeah.
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And so.
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That was their whole page, right? I brought up car size,
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because I'm like... Honestly, I've got no clue at this point.
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I don't have a tape measure on me, and also
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I don't remember the Y's dimensions. But, yeah, the R2
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is slightly longer than the Y.
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But is it 186, I think?
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Something like that, but the height pretty much matches the
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height of the Y.
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It's like a futuristic, modern 4Runner.
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Yes, which is funny, because as we were leaving, we
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saw a blue.
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R2 next to a blue 4Runner.
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Oh, perfect. Yeah. I love spotting them. There's so many now,
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at least where I'm driving. It's very common to see them.
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And I think you and I were talking on the
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phone recently about how we identify them.
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You were saying you use the taillight more?
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I use the taillight and the, is it just the taillight?
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Well, R2 has like a singular light on the top.
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Right, it's the windshield wiper. That's what is the tell
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for me.
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Oh, that's right.
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The R2' s got a recessed wiper.
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Yeah, so if you see a wiper on the back,
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that isn't moving. You're likely looking at an R1S. But
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if you don't see one, it's.
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Likely an R2. I don't know why it's easier for me.
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I sometimes cannot tell the difference between the stadium headlight.
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Like this morning, there was a.
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Rivian behind me, and I thought, oh, they don't look
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as tall. They're like slightly shorter headlights. That must be
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an R2. And sure enough, he pulled up next to me,
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it was an R1T. And I was like, oh, shoot. R1S.
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For some reason, I can tell easier by looking at
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the C pillar. On the R1, there's always that compass
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on the C pillar.
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Right, their icon.
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Their logo.
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Like your head.
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And on the R2, there's no logo there. And for
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some reason, I find that easier. Like, when it passes me,
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I look at the C pillar. Or if there's one
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going the opposite direction, I can identify that a lot faster. Sure.
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But if they're parked, I can see the lack of
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charge board on the front. And then I'm like, oh, okay,
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there's the lines. But when you're driving, you don't have that.
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Yeah, when you're seeing the front of it, I keep
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on thinking, well, the headlights are further from each other than, like,
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the tow hooks are.
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Right, right. Or are they closer?
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It's very subtle. It's a little bit more subtle. I agree.
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But there was a guy interviewing Jason at the office
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on Wednesday with this truck, and they brought an R2,
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and they had Coastal Cloud, which I have not seen.
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They didn't have it at the showroom.
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No, it's all been black.
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And I saw the guy who came to the office
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with the Coastal Cloud, and I was just like, glued
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to the glass. I was like, it's so good. And
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I didn't realize they had started delivering those. So I
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was like, he got a new, new, new one. Cause
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that was a, that was a more recent development, but
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I just, I bring it up because I think that's
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what we were talking about on the last episode, which
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was like a year ago. We were like, they're getting ready.
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They haven't launched it yet, but they will. And now
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they're like out and about. Yeah.
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I think they're at 11 or 12,000 now.
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Still struggling from what I've heard.
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Oh, really? Like what?
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Like build quality?
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Something, either it was you or someone else told me
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that the first shift was having trouble and they're trying
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to get the second shift in there.
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I see.
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And then also they're taking some R1T and R1S guys
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that were experts on that manufacturing floor and or team
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into the R2 team.
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They have to, right? Like the R2 is definitely going
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to determine the future of the whole company.
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Yes, they're a moneymaker.
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When they said we were going to shut down some
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R1 lines for the R2, I was like, yeah, you
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might eventually just permanently shut down the R1.
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I hope they don't.
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For the record, I don't want any EV line to
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be shut down, Tesla. Thanks for posting footage of the
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S and X line being... They did.
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Oh, yeah, you're not on Twitter, right?
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You're pure. You're safe.
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No, it's... I have to literally use Twitter for work,
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and I hate it.
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It's terrible. It's like the most toxic cesspool. Don't go
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on there if you don't absolutely have to go on there.
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You have to pay me to use Twitter.
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By the way, this is exclusive to Twitter.
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I don't know if it was exclusive, but they did
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post footage that I personally thought was offensive of the
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SNX lines being ripped apart.
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Like, they had bulldozers in there, like... Making room for Optimus!
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And I was just like, no. I thought they were
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making Optimus.
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Initially, the pitch was Optimus is being made at Fremont Factory,
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where the S and X lines were. But I also
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saw some news headline that said that it was also
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going to be made in China.
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Is that something you've also read?
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That would make way more sense. I haven't heard that,
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but also Texas is their HQ.
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Yeah, but that's where CyberCab is.
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Well, aren't they building Cybertruck, CyberCab, and the Model Y?
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And the YL now. That came out since we talked.
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At Texas. All in Texas.
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I don't know how they're fitting at all, but I
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guess the Cybertruck.
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Have you seen the size of the building?
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It is big, but when they originally unveiled it, they
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had like a layout, remember?
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Where it was like, this half does Cybertruck. This half
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does Model Y.
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I bet they just don't have much for the Cybertruck
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because it's not selling that well.
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And are cut into it with other lines.
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Man, there's so many questions I have for you. I
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don't know where to begin. We're on Tesla. Let's talk
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about that.
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Okay, so they're tearing up the S and X lines
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for awesomeness.
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Which is sad. S and X is officially gone since
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the last time we talked.
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Yeah, I'm sad for that. That sucks. I haven't seen
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a signature red.
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Oh, you haven't?
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I've seen the old ones. I've seen one or two.
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I think I was in Santa Cruz and I saw
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a signature X.
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And I was like, you paid too much. It does
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look nice.
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I will give it that.
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Yeah, it's a good color.
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I personally think, for one, they should not have killed it.
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They should have made it better. But For two, even
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if they were forced, Fran said in a podcast, because
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the EU was getting so strict about safety, it was
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going to cost so much to retool that it wasn't
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worth it. And I was like, no, it's because it's
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not selling well enough. My whole thing was like, you
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could have made it sell better if you actually did
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something with the battery or the charging or whatever. other things,
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but they were like, that's too much work, so we
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just got rid of it. But, okay, even if you
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decide you have to get rid of it, they should
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have gone out with a bigger update, in my opinion,
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than just ambient lighting. Like, a long time ago, they
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talked about steer-by-wire, that would have been sick. Switching to
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48-volt or 800-volt pack, like the Cybertruck has, so it
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could charge faster. Like, I feel like if you're gonna
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drop $ 180, 000 on.
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This is the last model S or X.
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It should have had like just gone crazy with all
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the latest tech and then say like, okay, there's the
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high tech one.
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Get it while you can.
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And then we're done. But instead they were just like paint.
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I think from an enthusiast perspective, that makes sense. From
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a company perspective makes zero sense because now you're having
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to put so much engineering hours and time and.
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Manufacturing hours and time. to make it.
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I'm sure there was a financial argument.
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Even after all that, once we finally made the product,
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now you have to support it. So now you have
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all these service centers that have to support this bespoke.
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Model, which Tesla's not... That's fair.
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They're not delinquent. They are delinquent of that. There's so
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many different special versions of.
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Take your original Roadster to a service center, right?
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Good luck.
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They're going to be like, you have a what now?
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What's this? You've got to go to that guy in
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Washington who works on them.
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Right so i see why they didn't and it makes
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sense to me i get it manufacturing.
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Yeah from a financial standpoint but you still have some
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of that too right because if this was like a
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limited i don't think they'd ever had it before the
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garnish red or whatever it's called the new paint color
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this it was a super deep red paint's easy to
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make it's easy to support hey you chip some paint
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here that's what i was thinking i was like someone
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any day You know, there's someone who's going to buy
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a signature and crash it in the first week. And
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they're going to be like, I need a new door.
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And it's like, well, I hope they have enough doors
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in stock for 10 plus years. years, you know.
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So they have to support that.
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That's the other thing is you want to make the
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last ones from a... Somewhat serviceable. Manufacturing, yeah.
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From all those perspectives, you want to make it so
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that it's easily.
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I guess it's a longevity sort of mindset.
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I get it.
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So for me, I get it.
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It sucks.
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On paper, I completely agree.
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But for selfish reasons, I'll push back and say they
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also have $ 40 billion in cash. It's not like they
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were hurting for money. It's not like.
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We've got to be careful. Basically, my point is it may.
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Have cost $ 100 million or something to revamp the S
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& X into something more unique and special. Right. They
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could have afforded the loss, is my point.
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Nah, a lot of it's got to be diverted for
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SpaceX losing or whatever it is. That's true.
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When Tesla inevitably acquires SpaceX for losing too much money
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on AI development, it feels like every Elon company just
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starts losing money, so his bigger company acquires it. How
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did it start? It was like Twitter was losing money,
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so XAI bought it, and then XAI was losing money,
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So SpaceX bought it.
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Next piece of the puzzle, Tesla will acquire or merge.
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Right.
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And that'll be announced with the new Roadster because it'll
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be the SpaceX collab. Yeah.
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Do you think it's going to look like a Cyber Roadster,
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this new one?
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I think it will. I don't know if you saw,
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but at the very end of the semi-event, the second semi-event.
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I'm thinking 10 years ago.
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That's why I was so confused.
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They were like, so yesterday.
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There was an event?
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They did a semi-event where they were like.
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Okay. We're delivering the new semi, you know, the one
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with the light bar. They were like, this is the
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new one. And they were like, this is the launch event,
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the delivery event. And I was like, didn't we have
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a semi launch event back in 2022 for PepsiCo? And
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they were like, well, this is the real one. Now
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we're like actually ramping it for real. And I was like,
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I see the semis all the time. Like they're driving
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around the bay. But this time they're like, we mean it.
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Now we mean it. We're going to deliver it.
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More with light bars.
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Anyway.
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And no paint.
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Right.
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They're powder coated.
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It's powder coated.
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Is that? I don't know much about it. But I
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have a hard time believing that's cheaper. For that size
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of a body panel. Depends on volume and also process.
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Because the whole pitch.
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With this new launch facility and this new thing was
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that this is the higher volume. I'm like, wait. So
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it's better for higher volume for the whole thing to
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be powder coated?
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Depends on what they've built up and what they have
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in terms of supply and also process.
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They hate paint. They really do.
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They're like, there's no paint. Get rid of them.
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Which is why they made a new paint for the
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SNX at the end of their life.
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I guess we should be grateful.
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I think they should have just recycled Signature Red.
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Yeah.
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Instead of doing acrylic red that looks like Signature.
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Red or whatever it was. Right, just bring back the
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one from the way.
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Anyways, I didn't know about this.
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Okay, so at the very end of the semi-event... There's
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a video where they open the doors on the back,
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and then there's like a light bar, and there's staticky
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flashes in the shape of a SpaceX logo. Okay. And
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then it says, see you next week, and then the
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event ended. Okay. So I feel like there has to
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be a light bar now, but that honestly just made
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me depressed and sad because, as you know.
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Everything has a light bar. Well, for one, I'm not.
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Except for this vehicle that we're in.
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Yeah, exactly. I'm not the biggest fan of light bars
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on everything just because I think it's overdone. But the
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bigger disappointment for me is I liked the 2017 Roadster
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that got unveiled. That was a beautiful design. And now
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I feel like we're never going to get that because
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they had to cyberfy the Roadster.
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Well, we kind of have already with the performance that
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the S has, which is now gone.
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Thanks, Tesla.
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And the 3, the 3 looks a lot like that
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Roadster now.
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The Performance 3 is great, but I don't know. There
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was something really clean about that 2017 design. You know,
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the no-frunk, so the cut lines were really thin and
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smooth on the front.
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The giant arch of buttons, screen.
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Actually, my favorite stock design ever is on that 2017 Roadster.
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If you look it up, it's kind of hard to
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see in most of the pictures. It was like skinny stocks, right? Yeah,
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they were like super thin metal paddles that didn't have
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any writing or logos on them. But you could tell,
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that's how you like signal and shift, and I'm sure
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you could probably sportify them into... shifting drive modes or
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something but I love that original design from 2017 and
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I really wanted just that exactly how it looked it
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doesn't need to fly it doesn't need cold gas thrusters
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just sell that and I'd be happy but um no
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it's like we had to redesign it because it's late
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I guess we.
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Had to redesign it then redesign it then redesign it
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then redesign it we're still designing it.
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And I bet it'll do something crazy I bet it'll.
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Fly But I don't know.
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I just feel like they are changing the recipe to
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something that was perfect. It would be like, what's a
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good example? Coca-Cola deciding.
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To take out the Coke.
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To take out the Coke. Or to just, what if
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Coca-Cola or Pepsi or some big company said we are
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changing our recipe and it's going to be way better.
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I think there's been a few companies that have done that.
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Usually it doesn't end well, right? No.
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Well, usually was.
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The most recent one that I recall was like Cracker Barrel.
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Oh, yeah. That was a big blowback, right?
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Yeah.
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Did they reverse it?
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I can't remember.
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I think they reversed it.
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They were like, we're sorry.
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The newest one as of like, I think this week
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of recording this was McLaren, the sports car brand.
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Oh, I did see that.
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They went from McLaren with like a lower case C.
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The classic look, yeah.
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Capital L. And then they had the almost like Nike
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swoop or whatever.
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Right.
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Upside down Nike swoop or whatever. They switched it to
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what it originally was.
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Yeah.
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Which was an underline under the C, and then just
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very basic text.
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Right. It was very subtle. Yeah. I saw that, yeah.
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Another good example would be if John Ternus, when he
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took over Apple, said, we're going to change the Apple
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logo to some differently shaped Apple that he found more cyber-themed.
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Everyone would be like, You don't change the Apple logo.
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It's like 40 years. It's so iconic.
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I did see a guy the other day who had
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the classic Apple shirt on.
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It is a good look.
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But like it was a PPLE, but in different colors.
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Yeah.
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Like it looked great.
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Yeah.
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I was like, this is cool.
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Should we throw him in the bed?
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I was going, yeah, if you just want to put
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it right there, that'd be great. Thank you so much.
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Mike's taking delivery of a Model Y L. They're just
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dropping it off. By hand?
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Yeah. Put it on the porch.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's a really big porch you got there.
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Almost called a driveway. Yeah. Okay, so... Roadster's coming. It'll
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probably fly.
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Yeah, there was some video on.
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That got shared around of, like, some silhouette.
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Yes.
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At McGregor, I think.
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In the bay, yeah.
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Of it, like, at first you could kind of tell.
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Thank you so much. That you can tell that there
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was a roadster kind of sitting on the ground.
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And then some very grainy.
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Image or video.
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That it was not on the ground. A shadow moving upward.
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And so I don't know what that means, how high
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it's going to go or whatever. I think my biggest hope.
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Mm-hmm.
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And it seems a little bit.
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Mean. Oh, okay.
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Is I want it to like flip.
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Like a drone toy? Yeah. Yeah. Right.
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That would be entertaining to me. Because then you just
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get another funny meme infographic.
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Just all your drinks. They go on the roof.
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No, it'd be fine because you've got so much force.
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So much inertia.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So much rotational motion going on that it's going to
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keep the drinks there if you have an interior camera.
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So I've heard some crazy ideas about, but that's my problem,
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is like the.
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Expectations now are so high.
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There's people saying like on October 1st on the event,
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they have like a restrict, a no fly zone over
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where the event takes place. Right. So we already have
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people convinced that this thing.
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It's going to fly around.
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Has to go 10,000 feet or otherwise it's a disappointment.
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So now it's like, if it goes 10 feet in
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the air, people will be like, oh, that's it. That's
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not very high. But, and I'm just like, no one
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really wanted it to fly. We just wanted it to exist.
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You know, like we didn't need it to do board.
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We just wanted it to come out. We just wanted
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it to be built.
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Remember when you, me, Nick and Randy were talking about
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this back in like 2022?
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Yeah. You know, the prime demographic for the Roadster. All
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of us were going to buy one. Right. Of course.
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This is even still one like the Cybertruck. Like, does
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it have door handles? Was it not?
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I don't know.
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We've been talking about this for a while.
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Yeah.
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So for me, like, the hype.
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It's almost 10 years.
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Since the Roadster was the second gen Roadster.
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Yeah.
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Is this technically still a second gen since the first one?
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It doesn't feel like it anymore. I feel like the
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second gen has been killed. Mm-hmm.
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And this is the third gen, it feels like.
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Mm-hmm.
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I don't know.
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For me, the hype is kind of killed. I'm more
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just interested in seeing what does flying mean? And then also,
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are they actually going to deliver it or are we
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just going to not see it?
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Because my whole frustration with the whole flying thing is
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I bet the legality will severely limit the usefulness or
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number of times you can actually utilize that feature.
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I don't even know how you could.
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It will probably at least double the price.
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It will probably be half a million dollars now or
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more for the argument that, well, it can fly now,
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but the number of scenarios where you can actually make
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it fly is probably going to be First.
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You need to get this specific type of propellant.
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Yeah.
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Second of all, you need to do it at a
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certified facility that can turn.
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Key it correctly. You probably can't do it on a
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public road.
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No, so you have to do it at a facility
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or out in the middle of nowhere with a Tesla rep.
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Yeah, that's not going to happen. You probably can't even
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do it at a racetrack. I bet a racetrack won't
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let you fly.
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Yeah, they don't have no TAMs.
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Yeah, so you'd have to go to, like, an occasional...
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weird like runway with a airport that is free enough
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and flexible it's just so niche even if it does
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even if they announce that the roadster has alien tech
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with ion thrusters and it can it's like yeah but
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the government's gonna stop you it's it's kind of my
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whole issue with the cyber cab too is like it's
504
00:20:55.759 --> 00:21:01.200
supposed to be all this engineering masterpiece of You know,
505
00:21:01.220 --> 00:21:03.220
there's no brake fluid. I don't know if you heard that.
506
00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:05.099
Yeah, it's some different type of brakes.
507
00:21:05.180 --> 00:21:09.759
Electronic brakes. So they can manufacture it with the unboxed process.
508
00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:13.509
So they build every piece of it separately. It's all steer-by-wire.
509
00:21:14.109 --> 00:21:15.490
And there's no paint again.
510
00:21:15.769 --> 00:21:18.130
The government still hasn't signed off on it's okay.
511
00:21:18.309 --> 00:21:21.970
No. No, you can't even deliver a vehicle without mirrors,
512
00:21:22.170 --> 00:21:26.529
let alone a steering wheel and pedals. But then they
513
00:21:26.569 --> 00:21:30.099
launch it. They're like, CyberCab launch event. And it's just
514
00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:34.640
for the select YouTubers. And I see them occasionally around here.
515
00:21:34.660 --> 00:21:36.160
They're driving around in Austin.
516
00:21:36.180 --> 00:21:39.190
There's people who have hailed them on social media from
517
00:21:39.250 --> 00:21:40.150
what I've seen.
518
00:21:40.609 --> 00:21:45.230
But there's like, from what I've read, 10 or 20
519
00:21:45.230 --> 00:21:48.509
that you are actually open to the public. Okay. In
520
00:21:48.529 --> 00:21:51.839
a very specific geofence. Gotcha. So even though I see
521
00:21:51.859 --> 00:21:55.180
them driving around the bay, it's like, had you have
522
00:21:55.220 --> 00:21:58.799
designed this vehicle to be both I don't see what
523
00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:01.740
the problem would have been with saying, there's the autonomous
524
00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:04.380
version with no wheel and pedals. Here's the one with
525
00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:06.400
the wheel and pedals. And we sell that one while
526
00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:08.930
you're waiting for the driverless one.
527
00:22:09.130 --> 00:22:11.769
Right, but then it just becomes our vehicles that we own, Drew.
528
00:22:12.509 --> 00:22:16.049
Which is... But way cheaper. It would have been so
529
00:22:16.109 --> 00:22:22.119
cool if Tesla was like, through all this manufacturing revolution
530
00:22:22.180 --> 00:22:26.160
or innovation... We can now sell a Tesla, granted not
531
00:22:26.220 --> 00:22:28.750
the most practical, but still, a two-door hatchback.
532
00:22:28.849 --> 00:22:31.109
It's a weird-looking car on the road, by the way.
533
00:22:31.190 --> 00:22:34.130
I think it is. It stands out. But it's small.
534
00:22:34.430 --> 00:22:35.329
I like how small it is.
535
00:22:35.329 --> 00:22:36.289
Yeah, it is compact.
536
00:22:36.329 --> 00:22:38.190
I'm a fan. It's not as small as this vehicle,
537
00:22:38.690 --> 00:22:39.519
but it's still small.
538
00:22:39.619 --> 00:22:40.160
Or as useful.
539
00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:40.559
Yeah.
540
00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:45.099
But I'm like, that would have been so cool.
541
00:22:44.940 --> 00:22:52.079
If you could just buy one for, what, $ 25, 000 or $ 20, 000?
542
00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:51.259
Whatever it would cost. It'd be super cheap.
543
00:22:51.740 --> 00:22:54.259
And now you have a steer by wire, easy to park,
544
00:22:54.660 --> 00:22:59.140
extremely energy efficient, like over six miles per kilowatt hour hatchback.
545
00:22:59.980 --> 00:23:01.700
You can fit a bunch of stuff in it and
546
00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:05.630
then be like, yeah, we'll ramp up production and where
547
00:23:05.650 --> 00:23:09.150
there's regulatory approval, we'll do the autonomous one. And when
548
00:23:09.190 --> 00:23:13.410
there's not, we'll do the manually driven one. That's there's,
549
00:23:13.529 --> 00:23:16.109
there would be fewer differences between those two models than
550
00:23:16.130 --> 00:23:18.369
there are between the base model Y and the performance
551
00:23:18.410 --> 00:23:21.670
model Y. Yeah. Those have body panel differences. They have
552
00:23:22.089 --> 00:23:26.230
motor differences. They have different wheels, different interiors, different seats.
553
00:23:26.890 --> 00:23:30.789
This would be probably different seats in a steering wheel
554
00:23:30.829 --> 00:23:34.329
and pedals, but the outside could be almost identical. Same
555
00:23:34.369 --> 00:23:40.170
body panels, same motors, same steering system. It's just an
556
00:23:40.210 --> 00:23:43.630
obsession with the autonomy that has once again killed it to, like,
557
00:23:44.569 --> 00:23:47.410
we're so obsessed with the demo of riding around with
558
00:23:47.470 --> 00:23:49.720
no one. Mm-hmm. and they're so obsessed with the demo
559
00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:53.039
of Roadster flying, that the masses don't actually get to
560
00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:56.890
enjoy it. No. That's the bummer for me, at least.
561
00:23:57.190 --> 00:23:59.569
Yeah, for me, I can't really use mine anymore.
562
00:24:00.210 --> 00:24:00.509
Really?
563
00:24:00.829 --> 00:24:04.609
So, yeah, here's an update on my car. I haven't
564
00:24:04.670 --> 00:24:05.490
asked for a while.
565
00:24:05.549 --> 00:24:05.990
Yeah.
566
00:24:06.569 --> 00:24:09.279
So I have an almost seven-year-old Model Y now.
567
00:24:09.539 --> 00:24:11.420
Jeez, I can't believe it's been seven years.
568
00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.069
Yeah, it's been nearly seven years, early Vin Model Y.
569
00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:17.180
It's been through a lot of servicing. The most recent one,
570
00:24:17.940 --> 00:24:21.380
So I would be driving to work either on the
571
00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:24.349
freeway slash highway, whatever you want to call it, or
572
00:24:24.410 --> 00:24:27.109
on city streets. And I'll put on full self-driving, and
573
00:24:27.130 --> 00:24:30.809
the car would start almost like lane or.
574
00:24:31.170 --> 00:24:33.809
Ping-ponging between the lane boundaries.
575
00:24:33.849 --> 00:24:34.150
Yikes.
576
00:24:34.650 --> 00:24:36.250
And so I'm like, this is kind of weird, and
577
00:24:36.269 --> 00:24:38.369
it happens both at slow and fast speeds.
578
00:24:38.609 --> 00:24:42.369
Was this before version 14 Lite? Yeah, it was both
579
00:24:42.410 --> 00:24:43.049
before and after.
580
00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:44.059
Oh, it still happens.
581
00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:44.640
It still happens.
582
00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:45.660
On light. Yes.
583
00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:48.440
So it happened before and after, and that's when I knew, okay,
584
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:51.099
even if it's happening after, there's something wrong.
585
00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:52.240
So I took it in.
586
00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:53.980
They looked in. They said, oh, yes, you have a
587
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:58.450
bad computer. I said, okay. And they said, we can
588
00:24:58.490 --> 00:24:59.910
replace it with a new one. It's going to cost you,
589
00:24:59.970 --> 00:25:02.009
I think it was like $ 2, 000 or $ 5, 000.
590
00:25:01.769 --> 00:25:02.109
What?
591
00:25:02.410 --> 00:25:03.250
Something ridiculous.
592
00:25:03.250 --> 00:25:06.069
$ 1, 000?
593
00:25:04.190 --> 00:25:05.009
Oh, my God.
594
00:25:05.109 --> 00:25:06.029
Yeah, $ 2, 000 to $ 5, 000 for.
595
00:25:06.390 --> 00:25:07.150
That's ridiculous.
596
00:25:07.170 --> 00:25:09.910
Yeah, I forget the exact number, but somewhere up there.
597
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:12.980
And you bought it outright, to be clear.
598
00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:16.119
Yeah, I bought it. You bought full self-driving outright. So
599
00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:21.190
in my opinion, that should absolutely cover any computer failure. Nope.
600
00:25:22.549 --> 00:25:22.869
It doesn't.
601
00:25:23.130 --> 00:25:25.210
I brought that up too, and they said no. And
602
00:25:25.250 --> 00:25:26.630
so here's even the cherry on top.
603
00:25:26.650 --> 00:25:27.049
That's ridiculous.
604
00:25:27.069 --> 00:25:29.490
I said, even if I do this, am I getting
605
00:25:29.509 --> 00:25:31.779
the new computer? And they said, no, the new computer's
606
00:25:31.819 --> 00:25:32.900
not compatible.
607
00:25:32.500 --> 00:25:33.079
With the vehicle.
608
00:25:33.099 --> 00:25:34.119
It's not even hardware 4.
609
00:25:34.099 --> 00:25:35.900
You're going to get the old computer, and even so,
610
00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:38.559
it will degrade just like your computer right now.
611
00:25:39.740 --> 00:25:41.049
You'll be right back here again.
612
00:25:41.180 --> 00:25:45.630
Yes. They'll probably happily sell you a new car. Oh, yeah.
613
00:25:45.650 --> 00:25:46.390
I guess they brought that up.
614
00:25:46.390 --> 00:25:47.150
That's what they want.
615
00:25:47.170 --> 00:25:49.109
They want to take your old car in.
616
00:25:49.829 --> 00:25:52.089
Get all these hardware 3 cars off the road. Yeah.
617
00:25:53.150 --> 00:25:55.920
But Elon said they're going to retrofit all the hardware 3s.
618
00:25:56.430 --> 00:25:58.430
But then he backed away from that.
619
00:25:58.769 --> 00:26:00.769
Really i haven't heard anything that was the last i
620
00:26:00.809 --> 00:26:03.609
heard but without a timeline it means nothing yes he's
621
00:26:03.670 --> 00:26:07.369
never provided a timeline which is why i can't trust.
622
00:26:07.170 --> 00:26:09.470
It so that's my annoyance right now is that my
623
00:26:09.490 --> 00:26:12.210
vehicle in which i bought a full self-driving package for
624
00:26:12.910 --> 00:26:15.509
doesn't do it it doesn't.
625
00:26:14.549 --> 00:26:19.089
Even do what another tesla with hardware 3 yeah fsd
626
00:26:19.109 --> 00:26:19.910
would do right.
627
00:26:20.009 --> 00:26:23.609
It's quite nauseating yeah i think that's probably the term
628
00:26:23.630 --> 00:26:25.900
that i'd put it like You are going back and forth.
629
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:27.940
You've got people looking at you. I've got people staring
630
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:29.319
at me like, is this person okay?
631
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:29.920
Jeez.
632
00:26:30.019 --> 00:26:31.440
And it's not me driving. It's the car.
633
00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:34.269
So my streak keeps on getting broken on the new hardware,
634
00:26:34.269 --> 00:26:35.609
14 light or whatever it is.
635
00:26:35.609 --> 00:26:36.390
You want to be safe.
636
00:26:36.609 --> 00:26:39.390
Because I don't want it to run into something and
637
00:26:39.450 --> 00:26:41.569
or it's just not merging lanes at the right time.
638
00:26:41.750 --> 00:26:43.789
Like what you've noted in some of your videos. Like
639
00:26:43.849 --> 00:26:44.690
it's still.
640
00:26:44.390 --> 00:26:46.630
Late to merging. I did not have the ping-ponging issue.
641
00:26:46.650 --> 00:26:50.269
That's scary. But I was still... Every time there's a
642
00:26:50.289 --> 00:26:54.009
major update, like we finally got version 14 light, and
643
00:26:54.049 --> 00:26:56.849
I was like, okay, I'll try it again, make some videos.
644
00:26:57.490 --> 00:26:59.190
And sure enough, I tried it, and it was like,
645
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:03.220
it still annoys me. It didn't feel like it was
646
00:27:03.259 --> 00:27:06.220
doing anything dangerous, but I was still having to take over.
647
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:11.220
My latest joke is, I think they figured out full self-driving,
648
00:27:11.299 --> 00:27:15.019
but not full self-parking. Yeah. Which is way more challenging
649
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:16.720
than people realize. Yes.
650
00:27:16.740 --> 00:27:17.960
There's a lot that goes into.
651
00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:24.519
Making the right parking space or knowing how to navigate
652
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:26.660
in a tight parking lot. And I'm always having to
653
00:27:26.700 --> 00:27:31.839
take over. I'm always having to intervene to get over
654
00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:32.519
at the right time.
655
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.339
For me, I'm parking at my work and it doesn't
656
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:34.880
know where to park.
657
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:35.339
Yeah.
658
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:37.859
And so then I have to intervene and then either
659
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:40.220
that kills my streak or I have to hopefully cross
660
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.160
fingers that it's like, okay, we're here.
661
00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:42.400
Yeah.
662
00:27:43.450 --> 00:27:45.269
You take over or whatever, and then my streak or
663
00:27:45.289 --> 00:27:47.190
whatever doesn't get killed. Maybe there's some other tricks.
664
00:27:47.250 --> 00:27:47.730
I don't know.
665
00:27:47.789 --> 00:27:48.309
But either or.
666
00:27:48.390 --> 00:27:50.670
It's so interesting how many people I talk to that
667
00:27:50.710 --> 00:27:53.309
just swear by it and love it, and they use
668
00:27:53.329 --> 00:27:54.779
it all the time, and they never have any issues.
669
00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:56.680
It's great for moments when I'm stuck in bumper-to-bumper.
670
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:57.240
Sure.
671
00:27:57.859 --> 00:28:00.759
In bumper-to-bumper, you are not going... You're going slow.
672
00:28:00.859 --> 00:28:01.059
Yeah.
673
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:05.700
And so that's when my broken system works great. That's
674
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:07.140
when it works fantastically.
675
00:28:07.339 --> 00:28:08.880
It's interesting that it kind of works.
676
00:28:10.660 --> 00:28:10.880
Yeah.
677
00:28:11.309 --> 00:28:11.900
Yeah.
678
00:28:12.529 --> 00:28:13.410
We're podcasting.
679
00:28:15.940 --> 00:28:16.200
Yes.
680
00:28:16.819 --> 00:28:19.880
We're podcasting.
681
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.240
You're good. You're good. This is very last minute, but.
682
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.559
Anyways. Yeah, we could talk about that endlessly.
683
00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:30.240
Yeah, in Bumper to Bumper, it does okay, but, like,
684
00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:32.029
that's going super slow speeds.
685
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:32.750
Right, right.
686
00:28:32.809 --> 00:28:35.109
And that's when, like, I need it to, like, take
687
00:28:35.130 --> 00:28:36.809
some of the edge off because I'm stuck in traffic
688
00:28:36.890 --> 00:28:37.930
because I live in a city.
689
00:28:38.069 --> 00:28:39.549
Yeah, yeah. So.
690
00:28:40.269 --> 00:28:40.829
That is nice.
691
00:28:40.849 --> 00:28:43.269
That's one case where it's like, okay, is it still
692
00:28:43.289 --> 00:28:46.599
worth it? Well, I don't want to pay anymore. So, yes.
693
00:28:46.700 --> 00:28:47.750
I would not pay for it.
694
00:28:47.900 --> 00:28:51.259
Otherwise, that's where, like, for the RoboTaxi, I'm a little
695
00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:53.160
bit more on the opposite of you. I'm like, don't
696
00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:55.140
sell it to us because you keep on saying that
697
00:28:55.220 --> 00:28:55.980
it's feature complete.
698
00:28:56.009 --> 00:28:56.809
No, I'm telling you.
699
00:28:56.950 --> 00:28:57.410
And it ain't.
700
00:28:57.650 --> 00:29:00.390
I would buy one and never turn on FSD a
701
00:29:00.410 --> 00:29:03.569
single time. I would just drive it like a normal car.
702
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.180
Because that was my favorite part of the Cybertruck was
703
00:29:07.220 --> 00:29:10.180
the steer-by-wire. I just didn't like how massive the vehicle was,
704
00:29:10.900 --> 00:29:12.700
and I didn't like how expensive it was. I was like,
705
00:29:12.740 --> 00:29:16.680
give me the steer-by-wire in a tiny, cheap car that
706
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:19.859
I could commute in and use very little energy. And
707
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:22.099
we know the battery pack size now, so we know
708
00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:25.400
it would get nearly 300 miles of range. Is it
709
00:29:25.420 --> 00:29:28.440
like 40 or 50? It's like 45 usable, and then
710
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:30.559
it gets over 6 miles per kilowatt hour. So it
711
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:32.220
gets well over 200 miles.
712
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:32.809
Pretty efficient.
713
00:29:33.069 --> 00:29:35.609
Plenty for me. And I love that it's a hatchback.
714
00:29:36.190 --> 00:29:38.160
My Model 3 isn't, and I wish it was.
715
00:29:38.660 --> 00:29:39.240
I like the hatch.
716
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:39.700
Yeah.
717
00:29:39.819 --> 00:29:40.779
The hatch is great and the Y.
718
00:29:40.859 --> 00:29:43.119
It's practical. So I would love to have just a
719
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:46.690
small little hatchback. I'm sure it would not outsell the
720
00:29:46.690 --> 00:29:49.430
3 or the Y, but it would probably outsell the Cybertruck.
721
00:29:50.710 --> 00:29:53.819
They're still making that. But it doesn't sell great.
722
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:55.960
No. Have you seen the cheap one? I saw a
723
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.480
video of the cheap one online. I did, yeah. And
724
00:29:58.579 --> 00:30:00.319
it's missing so much. Yeah.
725
00:30:00.740 --> 00:30:03.559
To where, like... The all-wheel drive one wasn't as bad,
726
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.119
but the rear-wheel drive one was horrible, the amount of
727
00:30:06.140 --> 00:30:07.380
things they took out. Right.
728
00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:10.500
That one, or the one that I saw recently that
729
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:16.920
they're highlighting is so stripped down, both in utility, capability... Usability.
730
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:20.960
The big miss for me was the power outlet. When
731
00:30:20.980 --> 00:30:22.420
they got rid of that, I was like, what are
732
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.440
we doing, guys? You missed the whole selling point in
733
00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:27.089
the first place.
734
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.369
Not unless you plug it into the port.
735
00:30:29.890 --> 00:30:30.890
Oh, yeah, the adapter.
736
00:30:31.150 --> 00:30:32.690
If it does support that, but I'm sure it doesn't
737
00:30:32.750 --> 00:30:33.410
on the cheapest one.
738
00:30:33.490 --> 00:30:35.329
I think it does, but you have to buy a
739
00:30:35.349 --> 00:30:38.589
very specific mobile connector. And it's only a 120. And
740
00:30:38.630 --> 00:30:40.079
then it dies off after about....
741
00:30:42.269 --> 00:30:44.009
Five years or three years, and then you have to
742
00:30:44.049 --> 00:30:46.430
buy another one for $ 1, 000 to $ 2, 000 or whatever.
743
00:30:46.670 --> 00:30:49.250
The all-wheel drive one was okay because it was much
744
00:30:49.329 --> 00:30:54.349
cheaper for 10 days. It was $ 60, 000 for 10 days,
745
00:30:54.710 --> 00:30:58.250
and you got ambient lighting, you got the power outlets,
746
00:30:58.509 --> 00:31:00.710
you got all-wheel drive. It was just a coil suspension,
747
00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:02.660
and I was like, yes, that's the one to get.
748
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.000
I think that's the one I'm talking about, or maybe
749
00:31:05.019 --> 00:31:05.680
I'm mistaken.
750
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.559
They still don't have the sub-trunk?
751
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:10.150
Yeah, it's the one that.
752
00:31:10.009 --> 00:31:14.289
They briefly offered and then said, we're not making it
753
00:31:14.309 --> 00:31:15.490
for like another year or.
754
00:31:15.509 --> 00:31:16.650
Six months or whatever.
755
00:31:16.670 --> 00:31:18.289
Yeah, the weight was still pushing out. Yeah, I think
756
00:31:18.329 --> 00:31:20.450
it's that one that I was seeing. It's stripped out
757
00:31:20.490 --> 00:31:23.089
of everything. I'm like, I think I would just get
758
00:31:23.130 --> 00:31:23.490
a truck.
759
00:31:24.730 --> 00:31:25.569
Get a real truck.
760
00:31:25.789 --> 00:31:29.009
Yeah. But for that price you could get, here's something
761
00:31:29.029 --> 00:31:34.490
we should talk about, the YL. Did you ever go
762
00:31:34.529 --> 00:31:36.079
to the showroom and look at it or did you?
763
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:39.569
I think, didn't you and I see a YL? I
764
00:31:39.589 --> 00:31:42.230
think I went by myself. I barely had, I was
765
00:31:42.289 --> 00:31:43.609
on my way to work, and I was like, I'll
766
00:31:43.630 --> 00:31:44.819
just leave a little early. What did we see?
767
00:31:45.609 --> 00:31:47.910
We saw the stripped-down Y, the standard Y.
768
00:31:48.250 --> 00:31:49.789
Oh, we looked at the base Y, yeah.
769
00:31:49.829 --> 00:31:53.960
Yeah, the one that doesn't have a frunk, a plastic frunk.
770
00:31:54.019 --> 00:31:55.700
It's got a frunk liner thing.
771
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.599
No, I don't think you and I went and saw
772
00:31:57.619 --> 00:31:58.180
the YL.
773
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:00.299
No, because I texted you saying, you sat in the
774
00:32:00.339 --> 00:32:02.339
back of a three-row Y without me?
775
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:04.740
It was very less. I was literally, like, on my
776
00:32:04.779 --> 00:32:06.950
way to work, and I was like, oh, I wonder
777
00:32:06.990 --> 00:32:09.690
if they have it. And I'm embarrassed to say, I
778
00:32:09.710 --> 00:32:12.680
think I asked Grok in my car. I was like,
779
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:14.980
is there a Model Y L at Santana Row? And
780
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:15.799
they were like, yes.
781
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:17.420
I was like, okay.
782
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.859
I pulled over. I filmed for 10 minutes and I left.
783
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.329
That was the whole video. It was just me like, okay,
784
00:32:23.549 --> 00:32:26.869
I'm in it. But I'll admit, as cool looking as
785
00:32:26.910 --> 00:32:32.390
it is, it was disappointing, the size on the insides.
786
00:32:33.029 --> 00:32:36.059
I thought that people on YouTube made it seem bigger.
787
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:38.460
They made it seem like a Model X in terms
788
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:39.200
of spaciousness.
789
00:32:39.259 --> 00:32:41.900
Everyone kept saying, like, I'm pretty tall and I can
790
00:32:41.940 --> 00:32:42.880
fit in the third row.
791
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:44.380
And I was like, oh, that's great. And I was
792
00:32:44.420 --> 00:32:46.299
even defending it. I was like, yeah, see, this is
793
00:32:46.339 --> 00:32:47.000
good because.
794
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:49.339
Model X is too expensive and the air suspension and
795
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.849
the doors are crazy. The YL is perfect. And then
796
00:32:52.900 --> 00:32:55.049
I sat in the third row of the YL and, like,
797
00:32:55.369 --> 00:32:58.509
in the process of getting back there, my foot got
798
00:32:58.609 --> 00:33:02.170
stuck between the two captain seats. And I was just like...
799
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:05.440
Then I sat back there, and I was like, I'm
800
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:09.109
not even six feet tall, and my legs are still hitting.
801
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.470
It didn't feel like a drastic improvement compared to.
802
00:33:11.369 --> 00:33:12.349
What you and I sat in.
803
00:33:13.269 --> 00:33:16.589
Honestly, as you noticed when we filmed with this truck,
804
00:33:17.109 --> 00:33:19.670
it's not the Taj Mahal in the second row, but
805
00:33:19.750 --> 00:33:22.849
the pedestal seats make a massive difference for fitness.
806
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:24.519
That's what I was showing off to my wife, was
807
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:28.759
just like, check this out, and she didn't care. She's like, oh, okay,
808
00:33:28.779 --> 00:33:29.440
that's interesting.
809
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:30.400
Yeah, I mean, like.
810
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:31.539
But it does make a difference.
811
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:34.740
And the production one, as we have said publicly, is way,
812
00:33:34.809 --> 00:33:39.130
way different, because the seat thins out. It's also cushier
813
00:33:39.170 --> 00:33:41.789
than this one, but the second row also moves back
814
00:33:41.829 --> 00:33:44.289
a tad. Okay. So it should be noticeably more roomy,
815
00:33:44.349 --> 00:33:47.069
but still, even when I sit in the back seat
816
00:33:47.289 --> 00:33:52.210
of this, I'm like... My feet can move around a ton. Right.
817
00:33:52.230 --> 00:33:54.009
And when I sat in the YL, I did not
818
00:33:54.049 --> 00:33:56.490
have that experience. It felt like my feet were... It
819
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.759
felt like I was sitting on the floor, you know,
820
00:33:58.859 --> 00:34:01.200
where your feet are up here. Right. And it's like, well,
821
00:34:01.299 --> 00:34:04.059
I guess I could stick my leg between the two
822
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.500
captain chairs, but just one leg. You can't put both
823
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:08.000
of them there.
824
00:34:08.139 --> 00:34:09.880
No, unless you want to be even more uncomfortable.
825
00:34:09.900 --> 00:34:12.829
Right. And I even... I like that you can put
826
00:34:12.849 --> 00:34:15.280
all the seats down, which is cool. But I laid
827
00:34:15.340 --> 00:34:17.199
down in it because it wasn't too busy. No one
828
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:17.760
else was there.
829
00:34:18.429 --> 00:34:22.219
And it's still, even though it is longer, it's not
830
00:34:22.300 --> 00:34:22.900
much wider.
831
00:34:23.380 --> 00:34:26.400
So as a car camper, I was like, oh, I'm
832
00:34:26.420 --> 00:34:28.900
still going to have the wheel well issue here where
833
00:34:29.420 --> 00:34:31.280
you're tucked between the wheel wells.
834
00:34:32.619 --> 00:34:34.820
So you're telling me that you begged and pleaded for
835
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:36.420
Tesla to bring it to the States.
836
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:37.239
I did.
837
00:34:37.380 --> 00:34:38.780
And they brought it and you realized, oh.
838
00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:44.739
It looked so much better on... camera. I sat in
839
00:34:44.780 --> 00:34:48.539
it and I was just like, oh, okay. I still
840
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:53.199
think they should just retrofit the Cybertruck platform into more
841
00:34:53.219 --> 00:34:54.929
of a SUV.
842
00:34:54.949 --> 00:34:57.809
I think that's not a leak, but a rumor.
843
00:34:58.690 --> 00:35:01.690
Yeah, there was a mock-up of one, I think, in
844
00:35:01.710 --> 00:35:02.269
the background.
845
00:35:02.510 --> 00:35:03.710
Yeah, and that's what I've been pushing.
846
00:35:03.750 --> 00:35:07.769
Make cyber its whole sub-category. That's what I've been saying
847
00:35:07.829 --> 00:35:09.070
since the Cybertruck came out.
848
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:13.010
On this podcast is make a subcategory of Tesla's that
849
00:35:13.050 --> 00:35:14.150
are all cyber themed.
850
00:35:14.190 --> 00:35:17.929
And hopefully the, it feels like they're turning into that anyway.
851
00:35:17.949 --> 00:35:20.110
Cause the semi got the light bar.
852
00:35:20.130 --> 00:35:22.489
Where's the RoboVan? Yeah.
853
00:35:22.610 --> 00:35:24.269
It is funny to me though, how like the base
854
00:35:24.309 --> 00:35:26.469
model Y doesn't have the light bar.
855
00:35:26.789 --> 00:35:28.650
My wife saw that and she's like, I saw someone
856
00:35:28.710 --> 00:35:31.570
black out like the light strip. They really don't like it.
857
00:35:31.590 --> 00:35:33.889
I'm like, did you see them that way?
858
00:35:34.130 --> 00:35:36.690
Did it look like it on the back? Like almost
859
00:35:36.710 --> 00:35:39.510
like was hockey sticks. And she's like, yeah, I'm like, No, you.
860
00:35:39.389 --> 00:35:40.130
Saw a standard.
861
00:35:40.170 --> 00:35:40.489
Yeah.
862
00:35:40.530 --> 00:35:42.769
Which is like, what's a standard? I'm like, they got
863
00:35:42.829 --> 00:35:43.769
rid of the light bars.
864
00:35:44.070 --> 00:35:46.809
But what's funny is the cyber cab is supposed to
865
00:35:46.849 --> 00:35:49.289
be the ultimate, like, cheapest vehicle, but it kept the
866
00:35:49.329 --> 00:35:52.050
light bar. Uh-huh. So.
867
00:35:52.590 --> 00:35:54.070
But it's supposed to be a cyber cab, Drew.
868
00:35:54.090 --> 00:35:54.699
But it has to be cyber.
869
00:35:55.340 --> 00:35:56.760
You can't drive that, but you can.
870
00:35:56.639 --> 00:36:00.000
Drive a lot. What I would advocate for is, I
871
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.000
don't know if they would consider it, but I wouldn't
872
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:04.920
mind the cyber aesthetic on a cyber SUV, but I
873
00:36:05.019 --> 00:36:08.000
think they should stop with the whole stainless steel exterior.
874
00:36:08.619 --> 00:36:10.510
I think that's been more problematic than.
875
00:36:10.889 --> 00:36:13.449
Yeah, I think they could get away with what Hyundai
876
00:36:13.489 --> 00:36:17.309
does with, like, the wrapping of the Ioniq 5 or.
877
00:36:17.530 --> 00:36:18.809
Just a matte finish or something.
878
00:36:18.829 --> 00:36:20.809
Yeah, some type of matte finish that.
879
00:36:20.849 --> 00:36:22.210
Like, I don't think there needs to be a ton
880
00:36:22.250 --> 00:36:22.590
of color.
881
00:36:22.630 --> 00:36:23.269
Or powder-coated.
882
00:36:23.289 --> 00:36:23.489
Yeah.
883
00:36:23.710 --> 00:36:27.769
If powder-coating is, like, that good on the semi, try
884
00:36:27.809 --> 00:36:28.730
it out in Giga Texas.
885
00:36:28.750 --> 00:36:32.750
Apparently, it's much smaller than the semi truck. Yeah, I agree. Like,
886
00:36:32.909 --> 00:36:35.130
if they just did a cyber SUV, because when I
887
00:36:35.369 --> 00:36:37.730
had the cyber truck as a loaner for four days... Mm-hmm.
888
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:40.750
There were, honestly, a lot of things I liked about it.
889
00:36:40.940 --> 00:36:45.039
The ride quality was good. The steer-by-wire was good. It
890
00:36:45.380 --> 00:36:48.860
was very spacious for the bed and everything. I mean,
891
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:53.239
not great. It's still a tank, but it's still.
892
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:54.559
The Ram does better.
893
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:58.769
Yeah, yeah. No kidding. But I was like... This would
894
00:36:58.789 --> 00:37:02.349
be so much better as just, like, a proper three-row SUV.
895
00:37:02.469 --> 00:37:04.130
It's a great platform for a three-row.
896
00:37:04.349 --> 00:37:06.650
But the most frustrating thing about my experience with it
897
00:37:06.730 --> 00:37:12.280
was the exterior. Like, super fingerprinty, got super hot when
898
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.559
it would sit in the sun, and it always gives
899
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:18.860
away the build quality issues. Like, if they would have
900
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:22.570
just keep the big castings, keep the battery pack and
901
00:37:22.590 --> 00:37:25.989
the motors and everything, but just... For an SUV, you'd
902
00:37:26.030 --> 00:37:29.210
have to change the shell anyway, all the body panels.
903
00:37:29.650 --> 00:37:33.429
Just move away from the steel. I don't think it's cheaper.
904
00:37:34.050 --> 00:37:37.469
The truck's not that cheap anyway. So I would just
905
00:37:37.530 --> 00:37:42.039
move to a more traditional exterior combination of aluminum, steel,
906
00:37:42.460 --> 00:37:44.559
or aluminum and plastic body panels.
907
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:46.139
Just steal what Kia's doing.
908
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:49.019
Yeah, and just powder coat it a matte finish or something.
909
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:50.639
It can just be one color.
910
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:52.460
Make it a big cyber toaster.
911
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:52.840
Yeah.
912
00:37:53.380 --> 00:37:56.150
Tell people, wrap it if you want it. That's fine, but.
913
00:37:56.530 --> 00:37:59.869
Here's our paint shop. Didn't they have, like, a wrapping shop?
914
00:37:59.889 --> 00:38:01.670
They had a first-party one, and then they got rid
915
00:38:01.690 --> 00:38:05.750
of it. Oh, jeez. Okay. I guess it's kind of pricey.
916
00:38:05.809 --> 00:38:09.230
I'm curious to see how Slate does it, because their
917
00:38:09.250 --> 00:38:13.489
whole configurator is like, you can wrap it, but I
918
00:38:13.510 --> 00:38:16.139
don't know if everyone realizes, like, they're just going to
919
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:17.300
ship you the material.
920
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:19.360
It'd be like, good luck.
921
00:38:20.179 --> 00:38:25.000
Yeah. Well, I did with my wise. I got professionally, uh, PPF.
922
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:27.860
That's what most people would prefer a professional to do it.
923
00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:29.340
It was a headache for the guy. Cause it's a
924
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:30.659
new vehicle. He has to learn it.
925
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:31.139
Oh yeah.
926
00:38:31.300 --> 00:38:31.820
At the time.
927
00:38:31.980 --> 00:38:32.199
Yeah.
928
00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:34.460
It still has its PPF. It probably needs the PPF
929
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:34.980
taken off.
930
00:38:34.940 --> 00:38:35.579
Of this bike.
931
00:38:35.940 --> 00:38:36.559
It's too old.
932
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:38.260
Um, that's what's throwing off.
933
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:39.500
Yeah.
934
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:41.699
Obviously blame the PPF.
935
00:38:41.739 --> 00:38:42.500
That's the problem.
936
00:38:42.539 --> 00:38:44.789
That isn't covering any of the sensors cause he cut.
937
00:38:44.659 --> 00:38:47.369
Out all the holes and can't, whatever.
938
00:38:47.829 --> 00:38:50.449
Um, no, uh, I don't know.
939
00:38:50.969 --> 00:38:53.070
I think it's a good thing to learn, especially with
940
00:38:53.110 --> 00:38:55.710
the slate. It's easy because all the panels are easy
941
00:38:55.730 --> 00:38:56.090
to remove.
942
00:38:56.110 --> 00:38:59.010
They've designed it to have little seams on it.
943
00:38:59.230 --> 00:39:04.619
So with my truck, I had to redo the tailgate recently.
944
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:05.599
Oh, really?
945
00:39:05.619 --> 00:39:09.500
Because right after we did the R2 thing, I accidentally
946
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:11.280
backed it up into a dumpster.
947
00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:13.139
Oh, shoot. There was a Cybertruck?
948
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.480
Yeah, unfortunately. The Cybertruck, it looked like a mess. This
949
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:24.730
thing just had a roughed up tailgate. Anyways, so that
950
00:39:24.769 --> 00:39:27.849
was my bad. Didn't see the Cybertruck back there, but.
951
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:34.880
What was interesting is it illuminated my understanding of how
952
00:39:34.940 --> 00:39:37.519
you get spare parts from companies.
953
00:39:37.610 --> 00:39:38.159
Right, right.
954
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:41.750
In which when you go to replace parts, at least
955
00:39:41.789 --> 00:39:44.769
with Stellantis or Ram, they don't send them to you painted.
956
00:39:45.789 --> 00:39:46.230
Really?
957
00:39:46.269 --> 00:39:49.010
They send them unpainted. So you have to work with
958
00:39:49.050 --> 00:39:52.590
someone who either is at Ram. It's like a, either
959
00:39:53.090 --> 00:39:56.610
inside like first party painting or a third party painting.
960
00:39:56.929 --> 00:39:57.130
Yeah.
961
00:39:57.590 --> 00:39:59.610
And I actually got like a hybrid of like a
962
00:39:59.670 --> 00:40:01.949
second party where like it used to be first party, but.
963
00:40:01.869 --> 00:40:03.730
Then they split off from the dealership.
964
00:40:03.869 --> 00:40:04.309
I see.
965
00:40:04.429 --> 00:40:07.920
But they, they still were like, pretty much the dealership
966
00:40:07.940 --> 00:40:09.340
would be like, no, talk with this guy.
967
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.500
We'll just, we'll forward you over to him.
968
00:40:11.539 --> 00:40:11.760
Right.
969
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:14.260
Um, and so he did all of the painting and everything.
970
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:16.480
And then I got to learn a little bit more about,
971
00:40:17.179 --> 00:40:19.519
how to take a tailgate off, how to take all
972
00:40:19.579 --> 00:40:22.289
the electrical out. And this thing is basic and it's
973
00:40:22.329 --> 00:40:23.630
not that much electrical in there, but.
974
00:40:23.550 --> 00:40:25.269
Still it's like, okay.
975
00:40:25.489 --> 00:40:28.150
So with like a slate, I could only imagine the
976
00:40:29.050 --> 00:40:30.050
process I went through.
977
00:40:30.070 --> 00:40:33.250
It's smaller, so it's a little bit more handleable, less material.
978
00:40:33.269 --> 00:40:35.010
But the thing that people don't really think about, at
979
00:40:35.050 --> 00:40:39.519
least with like a body paint is you can't really
980
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:40.880
put the parts on the ground.
981
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:44.099
And where's the truck? On the ground outside. So if
982
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:46.510
you put them on the ground, you're scraping corners up
983
00:40:46.570 --> 00:40:49.349
and everything. You're scraping paint. All the paint on the
984
00:40:49.389 --> 00:40:53.289
vehicles don't touch the ground, typically, unless you're off-roading. That's true.
985
00:40:53.510 --> 00:40:55.210
So you don't really think about it until you have
986
00:40:55.630 --> 00:40:57.889
to do it. You're like, where do I put this tailgate?
987
00:40:58.070 --> 00:41:00.039
You've got to put blankets or something down.
988
00:41:00.059 --> 00:41:03.139
Yeah, put blankets and everything on the ground. It's not
989
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:03.900
too much of an issue.
990
00:41:03.940 --> 00:41:05.960
But anyways, it's something that I think about with Slade
991
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.559
is like, what is that going to look like?
992
00:41:09.110 --> 00:41:12.010
Yeah, it seems like that should be the easiest vehicle
993
00:41:12.289 --> 00:41:13.130
to repair.
994
00:41:13.710 --> 00:41:16.409
And that's why I'm very optimistic about it. You can.
995
00:41:17.849 --> 00:41:20.289
Unplug and replug whatever you want. It shouldn't be too
996
00:41:20.329 --> 00:41:20.869
much of a issue.
997
00:41:20.909 --> 00:41:24.909
I'm excited for them, honestly. I think people were ragging
998
00:41:24.949 --> 00:41:27.809
on them too much when the Fathom was getting talked about.
999
00:41:27.829 --> 00:41:31.659
It's Ford. It's a big three. It's an established automaker.
1000
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:34.000
So if you want to buy from a company that's
1001
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:35.360
going to be around for another.
1002
00:41:36.110 --> 00:41:37.110
you know for sure.
1003
00:41:36.909 --> 00:41:37.699
It'll be around.
1004
00:41:37.780 --> 00:41:39.880
Well, the tough part is you get criticism from both,
1005
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:41.980
or maybe not criticism, but you have people who actually
1006
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.800
understand it, and they're like, why would I buy that
1007
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.099
thing when I want to buy an F-150 or a Maverick?
1008
00:41:47.420 --> 00:41:50.659
And others being like, Slate is dead, Ford's killing them.
1009
00:41:51.820 --> 00:41:56.019
I saw the Aptura Owners Club guy, he definitely switched
1010
00:41:56.119 --> 00:42:00.570
very fast, because I think what maybe split people on
1011
00:42:00.619 --> 00:42:03.949
it was a lot of people thought the only appeal
1012
00:42:03.989 --> 00:42:06.519
of the Slate was the price. that's the only reason
1013
00:42:06.539 --> 00:42:08.340
you would buy Slate, is that it was cheap.
1014
00:42:08.449 --> 00:42:10.309
That would be a bad business practice for Slate.
1015
00:42:10.929 --> 00:42:11.130
Yeah.
1016
00:42:11.269 --> 00:42:12.369
If you paint it all on price.
1017
00:42:12.530 --> 00:42:13.489
I mean, it's definitely.
1018
00:42:13.530 --> 00:42:14.670
Which they almost seem like they were.
1019
00:42:14.730 --> 00:42:17.190
Yeah, it does seem like a huge variable for a
1020
00:42:17.210 --> 00:42:20.269
lot of their marketing, is just like, we're affordable, that's
1021
00:42:20.309 --> 00:42:24.139
the big shtick, but the kind of people that frankly
1022
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:26.500
reach out to Tello a lot in the support emails,
1023
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:27.559
that I.
1024
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:30.119
Think Slate is going to understand.
1025
00:42:30.219 --> 00:42:32.360
Like, there's people that reach out to Tello and are
1026
00:42:32.380 --> 00:42:37.239
mad that we have screens. They don't want Internet access. Yeah.
1027
00:42:37.420 --> 00:42:41.599
They don't want GPS. Like, they don't want any kind
1028
00:42:41.619 --> 00:42:43.679
of connectivity. They don't want an app or nothing.
1029
00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:45.179
And we're kind of like, uh.
1030
00:42:45.489 --> 00:42:45.780
Sorry.
1031
00:42:45.889 --> 00:42:46.949
We're going to have a screen.
1032
00:42:47.050 --> 00:42:47.789
We're going to have CarPlay.
1033
00:42:47.809 --> 00:42:48.610
You don't have to use it.
1034
00:42:49.849 --> 00:42:52.510
But people are like, is there an internet connection in
1035
00:42:52.530 --> 00:42:54.130
the vehicle? And we're like, well, we want to have
1036
00:42:54.809 --> 00:42:57.969
over-the-air updates. So, yeah. I mean, that saves a lot
1037
00:42:58.010 --> 00:42:59.210
of service nightmares.
1038
00:42:59.269 --> 00:43:01.650
You don't have to come to us. Yeah. We send
1039
00:43:01.690 --> 00:43:02.110
it to you.
1040
00:43:02.590 --> 00:43:04.590
There was a guy emailed just the other day that
1041
00:43:04.630 --> 00:43:06.949
was like, I have a Nissan Aria, and I had
1042
00:43:06.989 --> 00:43:10.250
to drive it to a dealership to update it. Are
1043
00:43:10.269 --> 00:43:11.849
you guys going to make me do that? Like, how
1044
00:43:11.869 --> 00:43:14.389
do I update it? We're like, nope. We actually have
1045
00:43:14.409 --> 00:43:16.849
a person who started a few months ago, and that's Amy.
1046
00:43:16.869 --> 00:43:18.130
That's their job. Amy, yeah.
1047
00:43:18.210 --> 00:43:20.550
That's their full-time job is just OTA.
1048
00:43:20.690 --> 00:43:22.969
Nice. All she's working on is the OTA updates. So
1049
00:43:23.409 --> 00:43:26.949
I'm a fan of software. I like having GPS, and
1050
00:43:27.429 --> 00:43:30.710
I use CarPlay on here, and it's helpful. But I
1051
00:43:30.769 --> 00:43:33.909
see people in the inbox all the time that, you know,
1052
00:43:34.070 --> 00:43:37.090
I can't. I don't think it would be good business practice,
1053
00:43:37.150 --> 00:43:38.969
but in my head as I'm reading it, I'm like,
1054
00:43:39.190 --> 00:43:41.920
just buy a slate. That's what you're asking for. There's
1055
00:43:41.940 --> 00:43:44.579
sometimes people that are like, can you make it a two-door?
1056
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:47.699
And can you make it cheaper? And can you make
1057
00:43:47.739 --> 00:43:49.760
it lower range and not have a computer? Can you
1058
00:43:49.780 --> 00:43:54.119
make it lower range? And I'm like, you're describing a slate. Literally,
1059
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.280
they will bring up hand crank windows.
1060
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:57.420
Here's a reserve button.
1061
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:01.829
I've never done this because I don't think it would
1062
00:44:01.869 --> 00:44:04.449
be a good look, but I've been very tempted to just,
1063
00:44:05.150 --> 00:44:08.400
forward them a link to Slate's website which is why
1064
00:44:08.420 --> 00:44:11.079
I'm like I'm very curious what the market size is
1065
00:44:11.139 --> 00:44:13.400
I think it might be pretty big of people who
1066
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.239
are just fed up with modern.
1067
00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:17.639
My wife's in that camp that's why she likes our
1068
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:21.219
ram is it's very basic it's a dumb 2019 right
1069
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.519
like there's the smart 2019s that have the screens and
1070
00:44:23.539 --> 00:44:25.619
all that but we got a dumb one where like
1071
00:44:25.909 --> 00:44:27.960
you got the most seats but you got The least
1072
00:44:28.019 --> 00:44:28.860
amount of screen.
1073
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:29.360
Yeah.
1074
00:44:29.380 --> 00:44:30.900
Like it's the old.
1075
00:44:31.260 --> 00:44:31.860
Absolutely.
1076
00:44:31.889 --> 00:44:34.289
A bunch of people. Digital layout screen where it's like.
1077
00:44:34.309 --> 00:44:34.769
Right.
1078
00:44:34.849 --> 00:44:35.130
The.
1079
00:44:35.530 --> 00:44:35.949
I forget.
1080
00:44:36.449 --> 00:44:37.230
They look like crystals.
1081
00:44:37.250 --> 00:44:39.090
Yeah. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. The pixelation.
1082
00:44:39.130 --> 00:44:41.289
And I mean the slate does have a screen. Because
1083
00:44:41.309 --> 00:44:43.789
they had to have a backup camera. Right. Legally. But
1084
00:44:43.809 --> 00:44:46.860
that's it. It's just a speedometer. And on the configurator
1085
00:44:46.900 --> 00:44:50.260
we discovered they don't even have a telematics module built in.
1086
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:55.860
So you can't even connect the phone to the truck. Like.
1087
00:44:56.429 --> 00:44:57.349
Unless you buy that module.
1088
00:44:57.409 --> 00:45:00.369
Right. So some people will probably just.
1089
00:45:00.250 --> 00:45:01.170
Drive the blank one.
1090
00:45:01.190 --> 00:45:05.849
Mm-hmm. And that means no battery preconditioning. You know, so
1091
00:45:05.889 --> 00:45:08.469
your charging won't be great. But for the people out
1092
00:45:08.489 --> 00:45:11.239
there that are just like, I want my truck to
1093
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:14.320
be private, offline. And I hear about that.
1094
00:45:14.460 --> 00:45:15.460
Inefficient, yeah.
1095
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:17.260
There's going to be a bunch of people that I
1096
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:19.539
think that's perfect for. Yeah. So I think they'll do well.
1097
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.019
I want to know someone who's getting one. I keep
1098
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:27.659
asking around. Mm-hmm. People at events and stuff, they were like,
1099
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:29.550
your truck's really cool. What do you guys think of Slate?
1100
00:45:29.570 --> 00:45:31.710
And I'm like, yeah, they're great. We met them. I'm like,
1101
00:45:31.769 --> 00:45:33.510
are you going to get one? And they're always like, no.
1102
00:45:34.070 --> 00:45:35.969
But I've heard of them. They always bring it up.
1103
00:45:36.010 --> 00:45:38.429
But I haven't met someone that straight up told me yet,
1104
00:45:39.250 --> 00:45:41.530
I'm going to get one. Because I want to try one.
1105
00:45:41.550 --> 00:45:43.230
I want to drive one around. I want to ride
1106
00:45:43.269 --> 00:45:43.510
in it.
1107
00:45:43.610 --> 00:45:46.150
I want to experience it. It's tempting. I've thought about it.
1108
00:45:46.150 --> 00:45:49.170
But at the same time, I think.
1109
00:45:48.389 --> 00:45:50.809
We have a Ram that works great for us. It's huge.
1110
00:45:51.010 --> 00:45:52.469
You can actually put car seats in it.
1111
00:45:54.630 --> 00:45:56.090
If you wanted your car seats or if you wanted
1112
00:45:56.110 --> 00:45:56.929
to store anything.
1113
00:45:57.150 --> 00:46:00.380
Yeah. Right? That's a big deal. I don't bring it
1114
00:46:00.409 --> 00:46:02.940
up much because I've met the Slate marketing team and
1115
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:05.659
they're very nice and I don't want to step on
1116
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.860
any toes. But one downside of the super basic bare
1117
00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:13.719
bones approach and the, you know, they always pitch the
1118
00:46:13.739 --> 00:46:16.340
whole second row. You can add after the fact and
1119
00:46:16.900 --> 00:46:22.989
enclose it. None of that actually qualifies for the federal
1120
00:46:23.050 --> 00:46:27.579
regulations around child safety there are laws now that are
1121
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:33.340
passing about cabin cameras and cabin radars that can detect
1122
00:46:34.099 --> 00:46:37.780
if a child is left unattended and that's required now
1123
00:46:38.139 --> 00:46:40.570
interesting so there's people that email us they're like are
1124
00:46:40.590 --> 00:46:43.610
you gonna have a camera inside the cabin and we're
1125
00:46:43.630 --> 00:46:47.269
like you have to we have to we're not choosing
1126
00:46:47.309 --> 00:46:50.409
to For 2027 model year, they have to include, this
1127
00:46:50.489 --> 00:46:53.039
is all what I've learned from Madan, our safety guy
1128
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:53.920
who worked at Tesla.
1129
00:46:53.940 --> 00:46:56.159
The things you learn inside of the industry.
1130
00:46:56.179 --> 00:46:56.760
A bunch of stuff.
1131
00:46:56.820 --> 00:46:59.460
He is a super cool, we did one little podcast
1132
00:46:59.500 --> 00:47:01.360
with him, but he's a super fun guy to talk to.
1133
00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:05.980
He has stories up the wazoo, and when we told
1134
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:09.090
him about the slate, he was like, yeah, that's cool,
1135
00:47:09.110 --> 00:47:10.969
but you cannot put car seats in that thing.
1136
00:47:11.230 --> 00:47:13.889
It's not going to, and you notice they haven't demoed that.
1137
00:47:14.389 --> 00:47:17.889
On all their socials they intentionally yeah are like yeah
1138
00:47:17.929 --> 00:47:22.019
you can put five people in it but not kids
1139
00:47:22.780 --> 00:47:25.400
not booster seats not cars they're not marketing that no
1140
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:27.800
which is smart of them but at the same time
1141
00:47:28.420 --> 00:47:31.159
there is a gray area that they're opening up right
1142
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:34.550
like i think people are just seeing the five-seater and
1143
00:47:34.590 --> 00:47:37.590
assuming oh that means i could put my family in
1144
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:40.900
But at one point, they will probably have to disclose that.
1145
00:47:41.619 --> 00:47:43.059
You almost have to think of it as like a
1146
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.360
sports car in a way. You don't put a child
1147
00:47:46.420 --> 00:47:47.639
in a sports car typically.
1148
00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:53.800
No. But yeah, there's laws when you start pitching it
1149
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:55.690
that way. Whereas we're going to have that. We have
1150
00:47:55.710 --> 00:47:57.690
the car seat anchors and stuff. We want it to
1151
00:47:57.730 --> 00:47:58.849
be a family vehicle.
1152
00:47:58.929 --> 00:48:00.449
Pivoting to this, I would say.
1153
00:48:00.590 --> 00:48:02.510
We should probably talk a little bit about what we're doing.
1154
00:48:03.170 --> 00:48:04.969
So we're sitting in the tello. If you're just listening
1155
00:48:05.030 --> 00:48:07.369
in audio and video, you can see some of it.
1156
00:48:08.110 --> 00:48:11.429
It was crazy seeing this thing pull up. Because I've
1157
00:48:11.449 --> 00:48:14.809
seen it before, but at Tello. It's weird seeing it
1158
00:48:14.929 --> 00:48:15.929
out and about.
1159
00:48:16.030 --> 00:48:17.250
In the wild, absolutely.
1160
00:48:17.389 --> 00:48:21.070
Especially when you're driving me around, people looking at us.
1161
00:48:22.699 --> 00:48:26.320
It's weird. It attracts attention. There were gardeners here. I guess,
1162
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.059
quick story, why we're here in the first place.
1163
00:48:30.820 --> 00:48:32.039
You have this garage.
1164
00:48:32.780 --> 00:48:34.460
Me and my garage of knowledge.
1165
00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:35.059
You have.
1166
00:48:36.579 --> 00:48:39.050
At your house. No Lamborghini.
1167
00:48:39.789 --> 00:48:40.789
Told me a while.
1168
00:48:40.570 --> 00:48:42.869
Ago that the Ram truck you have, which is a
1169
00:48:42.889 --> 00:48:46.429
great truck, but it doesn't fit in the garage. And
1170
00:48:46.630 --> 00:48:50.110
your Model Y barely fits, but it does fit. And
1171
00:48:50.170 --> 00:48:52.889
I was like, we wanted to show for a while
1172
00:48:52.929 --> 00:48:56.019
now how easily the Tello fits in an average garage.
1173
00:48:56.059 --> 00:48:58.860
And you almost have like the textbook definition of average
1174
00:48:58.880 --> 00:48:59.599
size garage.
1175
00:48:59.900 --> 00:49:00.940
I'm glad that I'm average.
1176
00:49:02.260 --> 00:49:05.340
Or my garage is average. Almost like no one at
1177
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.500
work including me, has an actual garage. Right.
1178
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:11.110
This garage, by the way, is like a OnePlus garage.
1179
00:49:11.389 --> 00:49:11.619
Right.
1180
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:14.050
Like, if you had too many Coopers, you could probably fit.
1181
00:49:13.909 --> 00:49:15.389
It in there. Yeah, it would be a little tight,
1182
00:49:15.409 --> 00:49:16.469
but you could fit two cars.
1183
00:49:16.570 --> 00:49:19.369
But otherwise, if you put the Model Y in there.
1184
00:49:19.789 --> 00:49:20.590
It's pretty much full.
1185
00:49:20.610 --> 00:49:22.110
You can't put anything else in there.
1186
00:49:22.230 --> 00:49:22.409
Yeah.
1187
00:49:22.469 --> 00:49:24.469
Granted, there is, like, a quad in here.
1188
00:49:24.869 --> 00:49:25.150
Sure.
1189
00:49:25.210 --> 00:49:26.969
But otherwise, if you take out the quad, yeah, you
1190
00:49:26.989 --> 00:49:28.280
could put, like, a motorcycle in there.
1191
00:49:28.300 --> 00:49:28.530
Right, right.
1192
00:49:28.550 --> 00:49:29.840
And then that's kind of it. So that's why I
1193
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:31.860
call it, like, a one-plus. Yeah, that's a safe... But
1194
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.199
even so, we've got a washer and dryer.
1195
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:34.760
Right.
1196
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:35.360
On the back.
1197
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:35.820
Yeah.
1198
00:49:35.860 --> 00:49:38.190
It's on the back wall, so... It's not even the
1199
00:49:38.409 --> 00:49:38.949
full length.
1200
00:49:39.230 --> 00:49:41.929
Right. So even, yeah, even if you wanted to try
1201
00:49:41.949 --> 00:49:45.159
to squeeze the Ram in the garage, you couldn't open
1202
00:49:45.179 --> 00:49:46.420
the tailgate or the laundry.
1203
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:48.760
So basically for a marketing video and the door.
1204
00:49:48.619 --> 00:49:49.400
Doesn't close either.
1205
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:49.659
Yeah.
1206
00:49:49.739 --> 00:49:51.679
It closed onto the hood of the truck.
1207
00:49:51.780 --> 00:49:54.429
So for, for a marketing video for Tello, cause I
1208
00:49:54.449 --> 00:49:57.190
do the marketing, I just wanted to showcase with the
1209
00:49:57.230 --> 00:50:00.750
Tello in an average size garage, not only can you
1210
00:50:00.829 --> 00:50:03.559
close the door, But you can also drop the tailgate
1211
00:50:03.699 --> 00:50:04.980
and open the laundry machine.
1212
00:50:05.099 --> 00:50:06.239
We discovered that while we were.
1213
00:50:06.260 --> 00:50:09.300
Well, this is even more nuttier because the Y parks
1214
00:50:09.389 --> 00:50:10.199
in the garage.
1215
00:50:10.269 --> 00:50:10.489
Right.
1216
00:50:10.710 --> 00:50:13.429
And even so, I have to pretty much be... I've
1217
00:50:13.570 --> 00:50:17.969
calculated it from trial and error. When the sensors on
1218
00:50:17.989 --> 00:50:20.230
the front of the car say you're 15 inches from
1219
00:50:20.269 --> 00:50:23.530
an object, that's the perfect distance for me to open
1220
00:50:23.570 --> 00:50:25.489
the tailgate and not hit.
1221
00:50:25.329 --> 00:50:27.570
It against the garage door when the garage door is closed.
1222
00:50:27.889 --> 00:50:28.090
Right.
1223
00:50:28.949 --> 00:50:31.570
And also enough room for me to... scoot in between
1224
00:50:31.590 --> 00:50:35.429
the garage door and the car to get to, uh,
1225
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:36.590
my tools.
1226
00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:37.400
Right. Right.
1227
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.539
But it's right there, but that leaves 15 inches on
1228
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:42.860
the front to then do laundry.
1229
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:43.639
Right.
1230
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:47.139
And these doors swing on a hinge.
1231
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:48.690
And they pretty much just rest onto the bumper, but
1232
00:50:48.730 --> 00:50:51.650
like they're at like a 45 degree angle. So that's
1233
00:50:51.690 --> 00:50:53.269
not a lot of room for you to get in
1234
00:50:53.309 --> 00:50:55.530
and grab the laundry. So you're kind of standing in
1235
00:50:55.570 --> 00:50:57.510
between these doors that open up almost like.
1236
00:50:57.940 --> 00:51:00.639
Which is crazy because your garage is, we measured it
1237
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:03.559
when we got here, not a small by any means.
1238
00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:06.300
This is that when you look up online, average size
1239
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.389
garage is 20 by 20. And you were like 19
1240
00:51:09.389 --> 00:51:12.050
by 21 or something. It was right within that ballpark.
1241
00:51:12.590 --> 00:51:16.170
So it was like most garages are this or even smaller.
1242
00:51:17.329 --> 00:51:20.050
And an average vehicle or an average.
1243
00:51:20.590 --> 00:51:23.289
sized truck doesn't fit anymore. It's just not possible.
1244
00:51:23.309 --> 00:51:25.179
And or you have to mine the space pretty well
1245
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:26.920
with sensors helping you out.
1246
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.480
Like, Trick, on this one, when we backed it up,
1247
00:51:30.539 --> 00:51:33.840
we were like, keep going, keep going, you can keep coming,
1248
00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:36.559
and we were like, I'm in. Like, there's room. Yeah.
1249
00:51:36.579 --> 00:51:37.360
There's three feet in front.
1250
00:51:37.380 --> 00:51:38.920
I was the one who was spotting in the back.
1251
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:40.719
I'm like, let's just try to get as close to
1252
00:51:40.780 --> 00:51:42.800
the wash machine as possible.
1253
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:45.699
And I was like, I'm in though. There's three feet
1254
00:51:45.929 --> 00:51:47.250
before the door would close.
1255
00:51:47.329 --> 00:51:49.550
And that's just the nutty thing is like, I have
1256
00:51:49.570 --> 00:51:51.690
like no room with the Y. Like I'm sitting on
1257
00:51:51.730 --> 00:51:54.349
the hood trying to grab laundry.
1258
00:51:54.369 --> 00:51:56.130
Meanwhile, this thing is.
1259
00:51:56.090 --> 00:51:59.360
Pretty much parked to where, uh, so I pull in
1260
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:02.570
or yeah, I pull in forward with, the Y.
1261
00:52:02.750 --> 00:52:02.969
Right.
1262
00:52:03.070 --> 00:52:04.670
But with this, we backed in the tello.
1263
00:52:04.789 --> 00:52:05.010
Yep.
1264
00:52:05.110 --> 00:52:07.489
So, where the back of the Y would be in
1265
00:52:07.530 --> 00:52:10.570
relation to the garage door is where the front of
1266
00:52:10.610 --> 00:52:13.010
the tello is compared to the garage door in some
1267
00:52:13.030 --> 00:52:13.550
of these shots.
1268
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:15.639
And yet, you can open the tailgate.
1269
00:52:16.219 --> 00:52:18.880
Yeah, drop the tailgate and open the laundry. And open
1270
00:52:18.900 --> 00:52:19.579
the laundry room.
1271
00:52:20.380 --> 00:52:22.000
The laundry door all the way.
1272
00:52:22.019 --> 00:52:23.579
Which I didn't know. I didn't know it was going
1273
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:25.739
to be able to do that. It's so much space.
1274
00:52:25.900 --> 00:52:27.989
I was just hoping, the plan when I came here
1275
00:52:28.030 --> 00:52:32.380
today for filming was to just show Ram and Door
1276
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:33.639
doesn't close. Hello?
1277
00:52:33.739 --> 00:52:35.869
Door does close. That's all the plan was.
1278
00:52:35.949 --> 00:52:38.190
Right. But then when we discovered the tailgate and the
1279
00:52:38.210 --> 00:52:41.309
laundry thing, it was kind of mind-boggling how much smaller
1280
00:52:42.030 --> 00:52:42.369
it is.
1281
00:52:42.449 --> 00:52:44.630
I mean, I'm already a fan of the truck. I
1282
00:52:44.650 --> 00:52:46.659
don't have a reservation. I'm a fan of the truck.
1283
00:52:46.699 --> 00:52:47.380
You don't need one.
1284
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:48.960
It just made me even more of a fan because
1285
00:52:49.019 --> 00:52:52.159
I'm like, I could do laundry with this thing in here.
1286
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.280
And frankly, I mean, your bed is bigger on the Ram,
1287
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:55.599
but not much.
1288
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:57.280
It's a five and a half.
1289
00:52:57.659 --> 00:52:58.670
It's a five and a half, and.
1290
00:52:58.610 --> 00:52:59.090
This is five.
1291
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:02.849
With your weird slope that you've got going on in
1292
00:53:02.869 --> 00:53:03.510
the back.
1293
00:53:03.590 --> 00:53:09.510
That's why, yeah, you don't have a mid-gate either. Technically, yeah.
1294
00:53:10.389 --> 00:53:13.789
You could open up the bed even more if you wanted,
1295
00:53:13.849 --> 00:53:17.340
but yeah. So it's kind of mind-boggling, but you do
1296
00:53:17.420 --> 00:53:19.539
have one of the most popular pickups in America, so
1297
00:53:19.579 --> 00:53:21.780
that's why I thought it was a good size comparison.
1298
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.199
Again, average. I'm an average guy.
1299
00:53:24.340 --> 00:53:25.760
Average garage, average truck.
1300
00:53:26.219 --> 00:53:28.989
But... I do think there's a problem there if the
1301
00:53:29.110 --> 00:53:31.280
average truck is larger than the average garage.
1302
00:53:31.340 --> 00:53:34.139
Or just the average car. The Y barely fits in there.
1303
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:36.159
Yeah, that's one of the best-selling vehicles.
1304
00:53:36.179 --> 00:53:39.769
Granted, not everyone has a laundry machine in their garage.
1305
00:53:39.809 --> 00:53:42.159
But I would say it's safer. I would say most
1306
00:53:42.219 --> 00:53:44.170
people have laundry machines. Well, they've got storage or other
1307
00:53:44.190 --> 00:53:44.800
stuff in there, too.
1308
00:53:44.809 --> 00:53:46.010
Yeah, something's in the garage.
1309
00:53:46.030 --> 00:53:47.869
Maybe there's a staircase. Maybe there's something else.
1310
00:53:47.889 --> 00:53:51.369
There's something there that includes the full space that you
1311
00:53:51.409 --> 00:53:52.050
can utilize.
1312
00:53:52.130 --> 00:53:54.550
Right. Yeah, people use their garage for all kinds of things.
1313
00:53:54.610 --> 00:53:57.010
That's what I love about this is that it allows
1314
00:53:57.050 --> 00:53:58.429
you to reclaim that space.
1315
00:53:59.219 --> 00:54:00.300
Okay, did that check clear?
1316
00:54:03.510 --> 00:54:06.530
That was my 10 to 15 minutes of talking. Are
1317
00:54:06.949 --> 00:54:07.670
we off the record now?
1318
00:54:07.690 --> 00:54:12.989
This thing sucks. No, but it is fun to size
1319
00:54:13.050 --> 00:54:13.650
up things.
1320
00:54:13.949 --> 00:54:15.750
No, I love this thing. I can't wait to see
1321
00:54:15.789 --> 00:54:21.010
how it develops more. Because this is still... The first one, basically.
1322
00:54:21.090 --> 00:54:25.030
The first drivable, aesthetically complete looking one. Pretty close, but
1323
00:54:25.150 --> 00:54:27.210
not exactly the final product.
1324
00:54:27.250 --> 00:54:30.710
And it's cool that... We have record on this podcast
1325
00:54:30.750 --> 00:54:33.570
of when you first discovered and there was no prototype
1326
00:54:33.610 --> 00:54:33.969
at all.
1327
00:54:34.610 --> 00:54:36.469
Just that single page website.
1328
00:54:37.590 --> 00:54:38.409
Right.
1329
00:54:38.449 --> 00:54:41.550
Well, technically the prototype did exist. It just wasn't.
1330
00:54:41.590 --> 00:54:42.650
It didn't have the roll cage.
1331
00:54:42.730 --> 00:54:45.090
It didn't have the roll cage. And then when we visited,
1332
00:54:45.110 --> 00:54:46.110
it had the roll cage.
1333
00:54:46.289 --> 00:54:48.139
Yep. They just drove us around the block.
1334
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:50.360
And then when I visited, I think last time.
1335
00:54:50.380 --> 00:54:52.840
You stopped by really late once.
1336
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:55.400
Yeah, there's one time where I stopped by late, but
1337
00:54:55.420 --> 00:54:57.760
I think the time before that, I got driven around
1338
00:54:57.820 --> 00:54:59.889
by you and some of the other Tello guys.
1339
00:55:00.010 --> 00:55:00.840
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
1340
00:55:00.889 --> 00:55:02.269
And that was fun because it's like, oh, this is
1341
00:55:02.289 --> 00:55:02.909
how it's developed.
1342
00:55:02.969 --> 00:55:04.650
So we're seeing it evolve and get better.
1343
00:55:04.670 --> 00:55:07.050
Yeah, so for me it's been great. It's a fantastic
1344
00:55:07.110 --> 00:55:10.670
story for Tello so far. Just like you went from
1345
00:55:11.610 --> 00:55:14.610
skateboard to now. It feels a little bit more like
1346
00:55:14.650 --> 00:55:16.570
a vehicle. Granted, it's not everything.
1347
00:55:16.809 --> 00:55:17.090
Yeah.
1348
00:55:17.429 --> 00:55:18.760
But it's most of the things.
1349
00:55:19.179 --> 00:55:21.739
Yeah, and it is funny because I remember when you
1350
00:55:21.820 --> 00:55:24.289
first reached out. We talked about it on the show
1351
00:55:24.309 --> 00:55:26.090
because I felt like you were always more interested.
1352
00:55:26.130 --> 00:55:27.550
I talked to Randy about it. You weren't even on
1353
00:55:27.570 --> 00:55:27.820
that episode.
1354
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:31.400
I wasn't there. But I was listening to it, I think, overseas.
1355
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:32.880
I think I was in Thailand or something.
1356
00:55:32.900 --> 00:55:33.059
Okay.
1357
00:55:33.260 --> 00:55:35.280
And I was on a flight listening to your show.
1358
00:55:35.739 --> 00:55:39.559
And I remember because you always brought up smaller businesses
1359
00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:42.179
more so than I did because I was always skeptical.
1360
00:55:42.340 --> 00:55:44.239
I was always like, well, I don't know. They're not
1361
00:55:44.300 --> 00:55:46.900
in production yet. Well, you never know. They don't even...
1362
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:50.199
I remember you were emailing me off the record or
1363
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:54.739
messaging me like, I've been... emailing the CEO of Tello
1364
00:55:54.780 --> 00:55:57.119
we should stop by their shop and we could interview
1365
00:55:57.179 --> 00:55:59.579
him and I was like it's not a real company
1366
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:02.480
dude like that's vaporware it's not a real thing and.
1367
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:05.139
Like doesn't hurt to look and see what the vaporware
1368
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:05.699
looks like they.
1369
00:56:05.579 --> 00:56:09.159
Have no YouTube channel they have no presence and you
1370
00:56:09.179 --> 00:56:11.269
were like no it'll be fun let's just stop by
1371
00:56:11.349 --> 00:56:13.369
see what they got going and it was really you
1372
00:56:13.389 --> 00:56:15.690
I want to just have on the record you were
1373
00:56:15.730 --> 00:56:18.550
really like eager to stop by and say hi and
1374
00:56:18.570 --> 00:56:22.010
I was kind of like They don't have the prototype,
1375
00:56:22.130 --> 00:56:23.469
you know, like a real one. Right.
1376
00:56:24.170 --> 00:56:26.269
I was so skeptical the whole time.
1377
00:56:27.090 --> 00:56:29.969
And it wasn't until I talked to Jason and then
1378
00:56:30.809 --> 00:56:33.429
wrote around in it and then heard all their answers
1379
00:56:33.469 --> 00:56:37.679
that I started becoming a fan. And then we went
1380
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.900
to their other event later on. Yeah, in between, though,
1381
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:44.000
after our first visit, you and I were both still skeptical. Oh, yeah.
1382
00:56:44.059 --> 00:56:47.219
It was just a standpoint. And Jason was the only
1383
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:47.519
one there.
1384
00:56:48.090 --> 00:56:49.269
Forrest came, I think, at the end.
1385
00:56:49.429 --> 00:56:51.110
Oh, yeah, right in the middle, I think, of the
1386
00:56:51.130 --> 00:56:51.909
interview or something.
1387
00:56:51.949 --> 00:56:55.190
Yeah, because he wanted to bring up his Airstream or
1388
00:56:55.210 --> 00:56:55.750
some other stuff.
1389
00:56:55.769 --> 00:56:57.329
So I met Forrest on camera.
1390
00:56:57.469 --> 00:57:02.260
Yeah. Well, we did. We both did. And it's just
1391
00:57:02.380 --> 00:57:06.639
funny how this story keeps evolving over and over, where
1392
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:09.179
it's like there was no one there, and it was
1393
00:57:09.219 --> 00:57:11.019
basically a little garage.
1394
00:57:11.099 --> 00:57:11.980
It was a little shop.
1395
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:13.840
With two or three other guys that would come in
1396
00:57:13.900 --> 00:57:14.659
from time to time.
1397
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:17.639
Right. So that's why we were still skeptical even after
1398
00:57:17.699 --> 00:57:19.530
the interview. We were like, well, it's a great idea,
1399
00:57:19.590 --> 00:57:21.989
but I don't know where it's going. And now, like,
1400
00:57:22.050 --> 00:57:26.389
we're looking at the first production parts. We're sitting in
1401
00:57:26.429 --> 00:57:31.750
the prototype, and then, yeah, like, we haven't posted them yet,
1402
00:57:31.849 --> 00:57:35.550
but it's public knowledge, I think, that the production parts
1403
00:57:35.590 --> 00:57:38.599
are being made, and we're getting photos, and I'm going
1404
00:57:38.619 --> 00:57:40.780
to fly out there soon and film it so that
1405
00:57:40.820 --> 00:57:43.440
everyone can see. But, yeah, I was giving you little
1406
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:47.420
sneak peeks of just, like, here's what's coming and it's like.
1407
00:57:47.420 --> 00:57:51.039
Sneak peeks as in today showing the iPhone like look
1408
00:57:51.059 --> 00:57:51.639
at this.
1409
00:57:51.500 --> 00:57:54.119
I'm like oh that's cool that's how it's going to change.
1410
00:57:53.860 --> 00:57:56.139
Versus yeah yeah the production it's not like you're sending
1411
00:57:56.179 --> 00:57:59.159
me like no not that's sending you but the production
1412
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:01.980
parts are being made and we just when we show
1413
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:03.579
them to the public we want it to be pretty
1414
00:58:03.619 --> 00:58:06.440
we don't want little smartphone shots to be like hey
1415
00:58:06.460 --> 00:58:08.619
guys look here's your part so I'm gonna go out
1416
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:12.010
there with a that camera and get some good shots
1417
00:58:12.469 --> 00:58:14.309
and everybody can see what I just showed you.
1418
00:58:14.389 --> 00:58:16.590
But yeah, it's just, I can't wait for other people
1419
00:58:16.630 --> 00:58:16.969
to see it.
1420
00:58:17.030 --> 00:58:18.550
I think that's going to be the tough part is
1421
00:58:18.730 --> 00:58:22.050
with all like for Aptera, they're trying to go high and.
1422
00:58:22.030 --> 00:58:23.679
Fast with production.
1423
00:58:23.940 --> 00:58:24.780
Not fast enough.
1424
00:58:24.820 --> 00:58:26.579
Same with Slate. They're trying to go high and fast
1425
00:58:26.619 --> 00:58:28.440
as well. Tello's going to be going slow and that's
1426
00:58:28.539 --> 00:58:32.000
the tough part for me. It's intentionally slow. And so
1427
00:58:32.059 --> 00:58:33.639
it's going to be like what happened today with you
1428
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:35.280
driving around, people are going to see them.
1429
00:58:35.340 --> 00:58:35.460
Right.
1430
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:37.679
Like gardeners are going to be like, What is that,
1431
00:58:37.699 --> 00:58:40.840
a golf cart? It's like, no, it's not a golf cart.
1432
00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:42.579
We do get that a lot, though, just because they
1433
00:58:42.619 --> 00:58:45.340
see the size and the different... People are like, does
1434
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:48.750
that go on the freeway? It's like, it goes over 100.
1435
00:58:48.750 --> 00:58:52.380
Don't ask me how I know. Jay Leno drove it.
1436
00:58:53.190 --> 00:58:54.849
This one, actually, which is kind of nutty.
1437
00:58:55.250 --> 00:58:56.469
I'm sitting where Jay.
1438
00:58:56.650 --> 00:58:57.969
Jay Leno, yeah.
1439
00:58:59.429 --> 00:59:00.219
And he loved it.
1440
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:01.010
He actually.
1441
00:59:01.860 --> 00:59:02.579
I don't think this.
1442
00:59:02.460 --> 00:59:05.500
Has been said publicly, but Jason told me he called...
1443
00:59:06.469 --> 00:59:09.909
him on his birthday. Oh. Like Jay Leno called Jay
1444
00:59:10.340 --> 00:59:12.800
on his birthday. Like, Hey, happy birthday. You know, how
1445
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:17.809
are things going? Um, Jason sometimes, uh, pitches to me
1446
00:59:17.909 --> 00:59:21.909
to like, see what he thinks for investors and stuff.
1447
00:59:22.449 --> 00:59:24.130
And he brought up in the pitch and we were like,
1448
00:59:24.489 --> 00:59:26.489
Jay Leno drove it, loved it so much. Now he
1449
00:59:26.510 --> 00:59:28.469
calls me on my birthday. And I was like, Is
1450
00:59:28.510 --> 00:59:28.969
that real?
1451
00:59:29.329 --> 00:59:30.690
I didn't know that. He was like, yeah, you did.
1452
00:59:30.869 --> 00:59:32.730
I was like, oh, okay.
1453
00:59:32.750 --> 00:59:33.690
Interesting.
1454
00:59:33.730 --> 00:59:36.639
I was like, that's a name drop. How about that?
1455
00:59:36.860 --> 00:59:37.139
Right.
1456
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:39.059
But anyways, I just can't wait for this thing to
1457
00:59:39.099 --> 00:59:39.500
come out.
1458
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:39.940
Me too.
1459
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:41.780
Obviously, I'm very biased, I should preface.
1460
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:43.300
Yeah. I do work for them, but.
1461
00:59:44.190 --> 00:59:46.750
It's tough to sell to the wife because she likes big,
1462
00:59:46.929 --> 00:59:48.110
dumb truck.
1463
00:59:48.610 --> 00:59:49.030
I understand.
1464
00:59:49.070 --> 00:59:51.750
If we make big, dumb truck that is electric, she
1465
00:59:51.769 --> 00:59:54.610
would be interested, which is why the Ram seems so interesting.
1466
00:59:54.650 --> 00:59:57.969
They had a giant screen and they kept on killing
1467
00:59:57.989 --> 00:59:58.429
it off, too.
1468
00:59:58.670 --> 00:59:59.230
That's true.
1469
00:59:59.809 --> 01:00:01.329
But what does she think of the slate? Did we
1470
01:00:01.369 --> 01:00:04.969
talk about that? She has no comment on the slate, really.
1471
01:00:06.289 --> 01:00:10.789
It's not gorgeous, but... She hasn't seen it.
1472
01:00:10.829 --> 01:00:11.670
She's seen a picture online.
1473
01:00:11.690 --> 01:00:12.230
That's fair, that's fair.
1474
01:00:13.300 --> 01:00:14.360
Another startup. Great.
1475
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:17.800
It is a dumb truck, though. It's a great dumb truck.
1476
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:20.429
Even they would probably describe it. Well, maybe they would.
1477
01:00:20.449 --> 01:00:21.800
Dumb is a little too crass.
1478
01:00:21.889 --> 01:00:24.889
It's a harsh word, but I think your wife is
1479
01:00:24.989 --> 01:00:27.250
using that in a positive manner. Yes. Like, I want
1480
01:00:27.289 --> 01:00:29.710
a dumb vehicle, as in I don't want. And I
1481
01:00:29.750 --> 01:00:31.750
think a lot of that comes from people being tired
1482
01:00:31.809 --> 01:00:32.869
of bad software.
1483
01:00:34.010 --> 01:00:36.190
So that's how we got into this whole entire tangent.
1484
01:00:36.210 --> 01:00:36.369
Right.
1485
01:00:37.849 --> 01:00:41.369
There is that tough aspect that people have to see with, like,
1486
01:00:41.449 --> 01:00:42.289
if they get into.
1487
01:00:42.090 --> 01:00:43.639
A Kia or a Ford.
1488
01:00:43.739 --> 01:00:44.739
Yeah, the balance.
1489
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:48.579
Or Chevy. Like, how are they managing the software?
1490
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:48.940
Right.
1491
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.860
Like, is it all just CarPlay does it? And, like,
1492
01:00:52.059 --> 01:00:53.980
you have to go through some of these settings. And
1493
01:00:54.579 --> 01:00:56.409
even some of my family members are like, I need help.
1494
01:00:56.909 --> 01:00:59.130
The CarPlay isn't working. I hear that all the time.
1495
01:00:59.150 --> 01:01:01.750
And I can't listen to my music. And they don't
1496
01:01:01.789 --> 01:01:02.949
want to use the interface.
1497
01:01:03.389 --> 01:01:03.809
It's challenging.
1498
01:01:03.829 --> 01:01:05.389
And so it makes sense why some are like, we'll
1499
01:01:05.409 --> 01:01:08.099
just hard pivot onto CarPlay. CarPlay, and then also the
1500
01:01:08.139 --> 01:01:10.659
same thing, if there's so many issues with CarPlay, let's
1501
01:01:10.699 --> 01:01:12.780
just go back to us doing it all on our own.
1502
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:14.360
Yeah.
1503
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:16.909
No, I see an argument either way.
1504
01:01:17.510 --> 01:01:21.150
I honestly love Rivian's approach the most of all the
1505
01:01:21.170 --> 01:01:24.309
software I've seen. Tesla's up there too, but there's still,
1506
01:01:24.329 --> 01:01:26.469
I have some nitpicky, but I am also an owner.
1507
01:01:26.550 --> 01:01:28.380
Maybe if I owned a Rivian, I would find things
1508
01:01:28.420 --> 01:01:28.900
I don't like.
1509
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:31.800
For me, it was annoying because I forgot how to
1510
01:01:31.900 --> 01:01:35.610
open the glove boxes in it. Because I'm so trained
1511
01:01:35.670 --> 01:01:37.590
on Tesla, you have to go into the screen.
1512
01:01:37.269 --> 01:01:40.480
To hit these buttons. On the R2, they're pressure-sensitive, right?
1513
01:01:40.500 --> 01:01:40.900
You push them.
1514
01:01:41.340 --> 01:01:41.800
That's the best.
1515
01:01:41.820 --> 01:01:42.980
You push them in. Just like that one.
1516
01:01:43.019 --> 01:01:44.780
Yeah, you push it in, and it comes out.
1517
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:47.219
I think on production, it might even be this.
1518
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:50.719
This little button that has the Telo logo or the
1519
01:01:50.739 --> 01:01:51.380
Telo name on it.
1520
01:01:51.380 --> 01:01:53.630
I don't know if I preferred that, but they changed it.
1521
01:01:53.829 --> 01:01:55.409
I feel like someone might accidentally press it.
1522
01:01:55.820 --> 01:01:57.739
Well, they'll find out what it does very quickly.
1523
01:01:57.940 --> 01:01:59.400
I guess they call sex when I press that.
1524
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:00.320
Yeah.
1525
01:02:00.820 --> 01:02:01.380
I don't know.
1526
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:04.550
For me, I've been looking at different vehicles because we're
1527
01:02:04.590 --> 01:02:06.610
getting real tired of the why and its issues.
1528
01:02:06.630 --> 01:02:08.869
I bet. I would, too. You've had a nightmare experience.
1529
01:02:08.889 --> 01:02:11.929
It's been a servicing nightmare. The software isn't doing well.
1530
01:02:12.090 --> 01:02:14.650
Also, used EV prices are going up because of the
1531
01:02:14.829 --> 01:02:15.389
gas crisis.
1532
01:02:15.710 --> 01:02:16.969
Yep.
1533
01:02:17.389 --> 01:02:20.090
I'm sure you won't get a great amount back on it.
1534
01:02:20.190 --> 01:02:20.690
No.
1535
01:02:21.050 --> 01:02:22.570
You might get more now than you would have got
1536
01:02:22.590 --> 01:02:24.539
six months ago. Well, the wife, like you, is more
1537
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:25.289
sold on the R2.
1538
01:02:26.210 --> 01:02:26.550
Oh, yeah.
1539
01:02:26.630 --> 01:02:29.329
But I don't want to buy another Model Y again.
1540
01:02:29.349 --> 01:02:31.150
That also won't fit in this thing.
1541
01:02:31.210 --> 01:02:36.289
And I mean that by another early VIN crossover slash
1542
01:02:36.349 --> 01:02:38.699
midsize vehicle that has software issues.
1543
01:02:38.780 --> 01:02:41.280
I'll be honest. I guess this is a podcast.
1544
01:02:41.659 --> 01:02:42.159
It's our show.
1545
01:02:42.179 --> 01:02:44.159
We can talk about this. I'm not really in the
1546
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:47.139
market just because our current Teslas are working fine. Yeah.
1547
01:02:47.420 --> 01:02:51.420
You just got a new refurbished battery. And we also
1548
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:53.760
charge it to $ 100 three times a week. Oh, gee. Okay.
1549
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:54.900
I'm like, it's under warranty.
1550
01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:55.539
Screw it.
1551
01:02:55.980 --> 01:02:56.960
Just wear it out.
1552
01:02:57.400 --> 01:02:59.530
And I'm thinking about getting the extended warranty because I
1553
01:02:59.550 --> 01:03:02.190
have credits. Okay. So I'm like, let's do it.
1554
01:03:02.289 --> 01:03:05.090
And my wife loves that freaking Y.
1555
01:03:05.230 --> 01:03:07.590
I got to tell you. She has zero interest in anything.
1556
01:03:07.610 --> 01:03:09.289
Well, it's got more space than the three.
1557
01:03:10.110 --> 01:03:12.469
And that's the design she likes. She hates the new design.
1558
01:03:13.090 --> 01:03:15.739
She hated the refresh when it came out because we
1559
01:03:15.780 --> 01:03:17.260
were thinking about waiting for the refresh.
1560
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:19.199
And then she saw it and she was like, nope.
1561
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:23.150
She always loved the original design, like the one you have,
1562
01:03:23.730 --> 01:03:26.170
and she liked that it was more spacious. We have
1563
01:03:26.369 --> 01:03:29.789
both cars, and whenever she goes to work, she will,
1564
01:03:30.090 --> 01:03:32.090
without question, always take the Y.
1565
01:03:32.130 --> 01:03:34.239
Even if she doesn't need it for getting groceries or
1566
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:34.679
anything else?
1567
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:36.880
No, even if it's empty and she's just driving to
1568
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:39.480
work and back, she always prefers the Y to the 3.
1569
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:40.320
And I'm the opposite.
1570
01:03:40.500 --> 01:03:42.420
I love the 3. I always take the 3. It
1571
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:45.389
has better visibility, lower to the ground. I love the 3. But...
1572
01:03:48.369 --> 01:03:52.099
I was going somewhere with that. Oh, I love the R2,
1573
01:03:52.650 --> 01:03:55.190
but it's not replacing our Y, because my.
1574
01:03:55.090 --> 01:03:57.030
Wife absolutely loves.
1575
01:03:57.590 --> 01:04:01.159
Yeah, which... Now you're stuck with two mid-sized vehicles. I
1576
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:03.559
would be sad, because I love the three. But I'm
1577
01:04:03.619 --> 01:04:07.889
sure both of those vehicles won't last forever. We drive
1578
01:04:07.909 --> 01:04:10.250
them a lot. We're hard on them. We charge them
1579
01:04:10.309 --> 01:04:12.030
up more than we probably should.
1580
01:04:12.090 --> 01:04:14.429
We'll eventually run into the servicing nightmares that I have.
1581
01:04:14.610 --> 01:04:16.269
Yeah, eventually something will come up.
1582
01:04:16.300 --> 01:04:18.119
But what I was going to argue about the R2.
1583
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:19.440
Mine is a special bat egg, though.
1584
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.820
Yeah, yeah, for sure. To your point, though, there's a
1585
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:25.199
lot of reasons to wait on the R2. Yeah. Because
1586
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:29.079
it is the first gen of a new system. It's
1587
01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:29.800
a new electronic.
1588
01:04:29.820 --> 01:04:31.000
Arabian's still trying to figure it out.
1589
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:34.579
We're hearing bugs that early deliveries are having. Yeah.
1590
01:04:34.969 --> 01:04:36.269
Which is natural.
1591
01:04:36.889 --> 01:04:38.869
We'll probably have them with the first Tellos, and we'll
1592
01:04:38.969 --> 01:04:40.809
find them and try to fix them.
1593
01:04:41.030 --> 01:04:45.650
They've also dated RA by saying the next... The LiDAR thing.
1594
01:04:45.710 --> 01:04:48.010
The LiDAR's coming to next year's model. And not just LiDAR,
1595
01:04:48.030 --> 01:04:51.949
but also the new chip. There's a new autonomy chip
1596
01:04:51.989 --> 01:04:54.630
that Rivian's developing, which is like their hardware 3, because
1597
01:04:54.670 --> 01:04:57.409
it's their first in-house. So to be honest, if one
1598
01:04:57.429 --> 01:04:59.590
of my vehicles got totaled or something, and I was
1599
01:04:59.909 --> 01:05:02.909
suddenly in the market, I would try to hold out
1600
01:05:03.090 --> 01:05:06.719
for that. If I wanted to buy an R2 just
1601
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:09.949
for content even, I would be far more interested in
1602
01:05:10.030 --> 01:05:12.679
waiting for the one with the proper chip and LiDAR,
1603
01:05:13.539 --> 01:05:15.480
which I think is not until next year.
1604
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:16.920
Yeah, and for me, I'm patient.
1605
01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:19.300
Yeah, you're not in a hurry. I drive the Y.
1606
01:05:19.219 --> 01:05:21.139
The most, and I don't like it, but at the
1607
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:24.280
same time, it's not like it's killing me.
1608
01:05:24.300 --> 01:05:26.559
No, no. Like, I can live with it for another
1609
01:05:26.739 --> 01:05:30.219
five years or whatever. FSD could do the funniest thing tomorrow.
1610
01:05:30.699 --> 01:05:34.739
Oh, it could do so many things. And also nothing. Um,
1611
01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:38.239
but anyways, um, yeah.
1612
01:05:38.460 --> 01:05:40.960
Hopefully not. That would make this podcast really sad.
1613
01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:43.340
No, uh, the last podcast.
1614
01:05:45.219 --> 01:05:47.280
It will be the last podcast for a while, probably.
1615
01:05:47.380 --> 01:05:53.409
It's been the last, the last, the last. We got busy.
1616
01:05:53.429 --> 01:05:55.449
Um, the other one that I've been keeping my eye
1617
01:05:55.630 --> 01:06:00.150
on is, uh, slightly a funny tangent, not eye on it.
1618
01:06:00.210 --> 01:06:01.230
What are you going to say?
1619
01:06:01.309 --> 01:06:06.269
No, I'm, kia ev3 oh yes yes declan is in
1620
01:06:06.329 --> 01:06:08.349
love with okay what were you thinking i thought you
1621
01:06:08.369 --> 01:06:11.130
were going to mention the new bolt the new bolt
1622
01:06:11.150 --> 01:06:12.309
looks awesome the new.
1623
01:06:12.210 --> 01:06:14.750
Bolt's great and also chevy has a new person so
1624
01:06:14.769 --> 01:06:17.030
this is something we should have highlighted when we're talking
1625
01:06:17.050 --> 01:06:19.139
about different new stuff yeah yeah uh chevy has a
1626
01:06:19.179 --> 01:06:22.559
current promotion going on in the california areas oh okay
1627
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:25.860
for if you get a new chevy uh all you
1628
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:29.900
have to pay for is the installation fee But if
1629
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:34.489
you pay for the installation fee for an already prepaid
1630
01:06:34.849 --> 01:06:39.030
level 2 charger, they work with PG & E, which
1631
01:06:39.150 --> 01:06:42.190
is an electric gas company here in California.
1632
01:06:42.929 --> 01:06:44.750
They will pay for all of your electricity.
1633
01:06:45.369 --> 01:06:45.909
Whoa.
1634
01:06:46.510 --> 01:06:47.210
For the car.
1635
01:06:48.010 --> 01:06:48.409
Oh, wow.
1636
01:06:48.750 --> 01:06:53.320
But the caveat is they interface with that level 2
1637
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:55.780
charger and control when they charge your car.
1638
01:06:56.929 --> 01:06:58.869
That's the only caveat is that they get to say.
1639
01:06:59.010 --> 01:07:00.829
So you kind of plug it in and then overnight
1640
01:07:00.889 --> 01:07:05.329
they'll kick it on whenever. Yeah. Whenever. They just never turn. No,
1641
01:07:05.369 --> 01:07:06.670
that does sound like a good deal though.
1642
01:07:06.690 --> 01:07:07.809
That's a really good deal to me.
1643
01:07:07.829 --> 01:07:09.230
The bolt is a good deal already.
1644
01:07:09.329 --> 01:07:10.050
Exactly. Yeah.
1645
01:07:10.710 --> 01:07:12.949
Honestly, it's like the same price as a slave. I
1646
01:07:12.969 --> 01:07:14.090
should have sent that to you, but I sent it
1647
01:07:14.110 --> 01:07:17.139
to my wife. Like just said, huh? She didn't send
1648
01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:18.960
anything back cause she's not a fan of the bolt.
1649
01:07:18.980 --> 01:07:21.980
The only reason we wouldn't do that is we get
1650
01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:25.429
free charging at work. So yeah. We never charge at
1651
01:07:25.469 --> 01:07:28.050
home because we're always plugged in at work. Gotcha. That's
1652
01:07:28.070 --> 01:07:30.550
where my 3 is right now, actually. Okay. Drove it
1653
01:07:30.590 --> 01:07:34.349
to the office, plugged it in, and then drove this here. Nice. So, yeah.
1654
01:07:34.469 --> 01:07:36.550
So that's something that's appealing to me is the Bolt
1655
01:07:36.829 --> 01:07:38.250
plus that program.
1656
01:07:38.429 --> 01:07:40.719
I checked out when they had it at OpenSauce.
1657
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:42.280
It is surprisingly spacious.
1658
01:07:42.429 --> 01:07:42.590
Yeah.
1659
01:07:42.610 --> 01:07:43.639
It's not a small interior.
1660
01:07:43.659 --> 01:07:46.139
Well, it's bigger than the original Bolt, but smaller than
1661
01:07:46.260 --> 01:07:46.519
a Y.
1662
01:07:46.539 --> 01:07:49.119
Yeah, I think it's the same size as the EUV.
1663
01:07:49.909 --> 01:07:52.860
Like the bigger one, they just made that the default now. Yes,
1664
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:55.219
that's what I've heard. If not, maybe slightly bigger in
1665
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:57.860
some portions. But it has the perception of being a
1666
01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:00.619
small trunk or something, and it's not. It's not a
1667
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:02.699
bad dimension at all.
1668
01:08:03.099 --> 01:08:04.500
They've Americanized it a bit.
1669
01:08:04.539 --> 01:08:08.909
Yeah. A bit bigger. My boss was looking at one,
1670
01:08:10.070 --> 01:08:13.289
and he was getting annoyed for us because he would
1671
01:08:13.309 --> 01:08:16.310
go on the website, and it would have the price.
1672
01:08:16.930 --> 01:08:20.979
It would say, this is the price with... the dealership fee,
1673
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:23.159
and then he would click into it, and then they
1674
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:27.859
would add like $ 10, 000 of optional accessories, but you can't
1675
01:08:27.899 --> 01:08:28.800
remove them. No.
1676
01:08:29.100 --> 01:08:32.600
There's a guy, some content creator who streams on Twitch
1677
01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:35.539
a bunch, and he's this guy that on a daily
1678
01:08:35.659 --> 01:08:37.439
talks with dealerships and has.
1679
01:08:37.699 --> 01:08:38.739
Clients just like us.
1680
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:39.510
I can't believe it.
1681
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:41.800
And he's like, hey, this is what your website says.
1682
01:08:41.979 --> 01:08:42.220
Yeah.
1683
01:08:42.659 --> 01:08:44.159
Like, is it that price?
1684
01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:46.739
And then you can hear, because he records the call,
1685
01:08:47.220 --> 01:08:50.329
the dealership guy on the other side is just like, Well,
1686
01:08:50.369 --> 01:08:53.109
we also, there's an asterisk there and that asterisk points
1687
01:08:53.140 --> 01:08:54.680
to this is like, yeah, but this is the number.
1688
01:08:54.699 --> 01:08:55.060
Right.
1689
01:08:55.760 --> 01:08:56.359
That's a lot.
1690
01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:57.359
I mean, who are they fooling?
1691
01:08:57.390 --> 01:09:01.569
The federal government says whatever price you're advertising it at,
1692
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:02.640
you have to sell it.
1693
01:09:02.649 --> 01:09:06.159
You can't just inflate it. I can't believe.
1694
01:09:06.180 --> 01:09:09.640
Is anyone falling for that? Is anyone like, oh, I
1695
01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:12.779
want that car. It's 25 grand. And then they get
1696
01:09:12.819 --> 01:09:14.880
to the dealer, and it's like, it's actually 35. Yeah.
1697
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:18.239
And it's like, someone goes, huh, oh, well.
1698
01:09:18.689 --> 01:09:19.189
Oh, yeah.
1699
01:09:20.449 --> 01:09:21.779
Like, who is falling for it?
1700
01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:23.159
In this economy, not many.
1701
01:09:23.739 --> 01:09:26.279
I mean, maybe if you're doing a complicated loan, you
1702
01:09:26.300 --> 01:09:28.859
fall for it because you're just like, oh.
1703
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:30.600
This is what I could put. 72 months for this.
1704
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:35.760
I'll put $ 5, 000 down and it costs probably still less
1705
01:09:35.819 --> 01:09:38.899
what people are paying for gas. Yeah. It's like $ 300
1706
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:41.359
a month. Sure, I'll sign that. Like, I don't know.
1707
01:09:41.779 --> 01:09:44.010
But they haven't been selling great, which is disappointing. And
1708
01:09:44.050 --> 01:09:45.710
I bet it's because of the dealers. I bet the
1709
01:09:45.729 --> 01:09:47.069
dealers are making it harder to.
1710
01:09:47.579 --> 01:09:49.140
Well they want to earn a buck off of it
1711
01:09:49.260 --> 01:09:53.229
but turn a buck off of it plus more you're
1712
01:09:53.250 --> 01:09:53.829
gonna have to.
1713
01:09:53.869 --> 01:09:57.850
Add up those legacy automakers are really stuck yeah they
1714
01:09:57.930 --> 01:10:01.810
literally can't stop using the dealer's model we talked to
1715
01:10:01.930 --> 01:10:05.779
um well i probably shouldn't say who but a legacy
1716
01:10:05.859 --> 01:10:10.079
automaker i keep forgetting we're recording a legacy automaker um
1717
01:10:11.289 --> 01:10:14.170
That we talked to came by because we were kind
1718
01:10:14.210 --> 01:10:16.449
of split. We were like, we were thinking of maybe
1719
01:10:16.550 --> 01:10:20.039
doing a hybrid direct to consumer and dealership. And I
1720
01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:22.319
won't say who it was, but they were very clear, like,
1721
01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:23.979
do not use dealers.
1722
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:25.300
They are the worst.
1723
01:10:25.380 --> 01:10:27.680
And then you can never stop using them. They're like,
1724
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:28.579
you are stuck.
1725
01:10:28.779 --> 01:10:30.859
That's the problem that scouts running into right now.
1726
01:10:31.670 --> 01:10:33.529
Because it's trying to be like a loophole, right?
1727
01:10:33.710 --> 01:10:33.949
Yeah.
1728
01:10:33.989 --> 01:10:35.869
Scout's whole thing was direct-to-consumer.
1729
01:10:35.909 --> 01:10:38.449
Yes, but all the VW dealers are like.
1730
01:10:38.609 --> 01:10:40.220
Uh-uh. Uh-uh.
1731
01:10:40.260 --> 01:10:41.560
They're like, you can't do that.
1732
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:43.760
Yeah, so they're stuck in this situation.
1733
01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:44.699
That's so frustrating.
1734
01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:47.560
Yeah. But that, I think, is honestly a huge advantage
1735
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:52.199
Slate has, being a new company. Right. The Fathom sounds
1736
01:10:52.260 --> 01:10:54.779
great on paper until you remember.
1737
01:10:54.810 --> 01:10:57.090
Until you look on paper what the dealer adds.
1738
01:10:57.189 --> 01:10:59.489
Like, the Maverick is awesome, but.
1739
01:11:00.060 --> 01:11:02.699
Do you know what the original MSRP was for the
1740
01:11:02.739 --> 01:11:04.159
Maverick when they first announced it?
1741
01:11:04.220 --> 01:11:05.220
Was it 27?
1742
01:11:05.220 --> 01:11:06.539
It was under 20.
1743
01:11:06.539 --> 01:11:07.000
Oh, wow.
1744
01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:09.300
They said that when they unveiled the Maverick, they were like,
1745
01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:10.880
we were going to bring back a small truck.
1746
01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:12.659
This one's $ 19.
1747
01:11:11.939 --> 01:11:15.539
99. Wow. And everyone was like, wow, that's great. And
1748
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:18.159
now when you go on the Reddit forums, what did
1749
01:11:18.189 --> 01:11:22.529
you pay for your Maverick? They're all like, $ 30, $ 35.
1750
01:11:22.189 --> 01:11:24.210
Occasionally you'll get a guy that's like, oh, I got
1751
01:11:24.250 --> 01:11:27.170
mine for $ 28. And everyone goes, yo, that's great.
1752
01:11:27.659 --> 01:11:29.520
Or 27. Whoa, that's crazy.
1753
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:32.539
And now we're hearing the Fathom is going to be 28.
1754
01:11:32.539 --> 01:11:34.859
They've been very adamant. Here's the price.
1755
01:11:35.020 --> 01:11:37.239
So it's going to sell for like 35, 37.
1756
01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:39.529
Which is not bad. That's still really good.
1757
01:11:39.770 --> 01:11:41.449
No, but not what.
1758
01:11:41.489 --> 01:11:42.689
Not as good as it sounds.
1759
01:11:42.710 --> 01:11:43.670
Not what the company wanted.
1760
01:11:43.890 --> 01:11:47.840
And also, I think some journalist or some media site
1761
01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:51.920
recently leaked some of the range estimates, which.
1762
01:11:53.189 --> 01:11:54.970
Ford said something at one point.
1763
01:11:54.989 --> 01:11:56.930
They were like, the battery pack in the Fathom is
1764
01:11:57.029 --> 01:12:01.229
smaller than this one Chinese car. So we knew when
1765
01:12:01.250 --> 01:12:03.340
they said it was like a 50 kilowatt hour pack.
1766
01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:05.800
We were like, okay, so that's not going to be
1767
01:12:05.859 --> 01:12:10.659
great range, obviously. It's not going to be cyber cab efficient. Right.
1768
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:14.619
But basically, it's a truck. But they did say it's
1769
01:12:14.659 --> 01:12:17.180
like the most aerodynamic truck ever made. Sure. I am
1770
01:12:17.220 --> 01:12:19.460
excited to see it, to be clear. I really want
1771
01:12:19.739 --> 01:12:21.760
to drive it. I want to look at it. I
1772
01:12:21.779 --> 01:12:22.619
want to know the specs.
1773
01:12:22.739 --> 01:12:25.840
There's some patent that recently got showed off with the
1774
01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:26.670
TV on it.
1775
01:12:26.819 --> 01:12:27.659
The front gate.
1776
01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:29.920
In my mind, just immediately went to the funny meme
1777
01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:35.239
of Jim Farley with F-150s. Like, you could charge other EVs.
1778
01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:38.039
Like your friends with Teslas.
1779
01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:40.079
You could charge your Teslas with more range.
1780
01:12:40.100 --> 01:12:44.590
You can watch other TVs with your friends who own Teslas.
1781
01:12:45.090 --> 01:12:48.149
Exactly. But no, I mean, everything I've heard about the
1782
01:12:48.189 --> 01:12:49.409
Fathom sounds cool, though.
1783
01:12:49.489 --> 01:12:50.569
I'm excited to see it.
1784
01:12:50.630 --> 01:12:56.409
It's basically... a full X Tesla team. They worked on
1785
01:12:56.430 --> 01:12:58.590
the model three and model Y and then they left,
1786
01:12:59.369 --> 01:13:02.149
which I'm like, those are Tesla's best products. And now
1787
01:13:02.170 --> 01:13:05.989
they're making a small truck, which I like. So I'm like,
1788
01:13:06.510 --> 01:13:08.380
I'm a big believer. I think it will be much
1789
01:13:08.409 --> 01:13:11.000
larger than this truck, but it will still be a
1790
01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:12.539
welcome addition.
1791
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:14.039
Cause Maverick's still a good size.
1792
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:16.640
Oh yeah. I've been in one. I, we had one
1793
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:19.060
at the shop a couple of weeks ago. We did
1794
01:13:19.100 --> 01:13:22.250
like a size them up comparison. And frankly, I loved it.
1795
01:13:22.380 --> 01:13:22.880
The Maverick.
1796
01:13:22.979 --> 01:13:23.449
Maverick's great.
1797
01:13:23.479 --> 01:13:23.899
Very impressive.
1798
01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:25.260
I just took one on a test drive. I'm like,
1799
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:25.840
this is great.
1800
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:28.420
I was less impressed with the Hyundai Santa Cruz.
1801
01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:31.819
Yeah. It's a good looking vehicle, but it's definitely like
1802
01:13:31.859 --> 01:13:33.439
an SUV that they just kind of cut.
1803
01:13:33.539 --> 01:13:35.039
It's got the Cybertruck problem.
1804
01:13:35.060 --> 01:13:35.279
Yeah.
1805
01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:37.539
Like the bed was really small.
1806
01:13:37.859 --> 01:13:39.770
I didn't realize. The Maverick is a four and a
1807
01:13:39.779 --> 01:13:43.229
half foot bed, which is decent. And then the Santa
1808
01:13:43.270 --> 01:13:47.149
Cruz was like four. Which is very small. And then
1809
01:13:47.229 --> 01:13:50.170
the mileage also was not great. When I did the
1810
01:13:50.229 --> 01:13:53.510
comparison for the video, I looked up. The Santa Cruz
1811
01:13:53.550 --> 01:13:54.609
is not that efficient.
1812
01:13:54.850 --> 01:13:55.930
Even though it's all swoopy.
1813
01:13:56.130 --> 01:13:57.470
It looks like it should be, right?
1814
01:13:57.590 --> 01:14:00.189
It's all swoopy. It's SUV-like. And it's still like 25
1815
01:14:00.189 --> 01:14:02.800
miles per gallon. And the Maverick can get like 40.
1816
01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:05.880
It comes down to powertrain at that point.
1817
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:06.239
Yeah.
1818
01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:09.399
Well, the Maverick is a hybrid, technically. Or some of
1819
01:14:09.420 --> 01:14:10.079
them are, I guess.
1820
01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:11.039
Yeah. Not plug-in.
1821
01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:12.020
It starts as a hybrid.
1822
01:14:12.300 --> 01:14:12.680
The first.
1823
01:14:13.970 --> 01:14:14.850
Two miles an hour or.
1824
01:14:14.810 --> 01:14:17.250
Something, or electric. It has like a one kilowatt hour
1825
01:14:17.289 --> 01:14:21.590
pack in it or something. But yeah, it's a very efficient, sizable,
1826
01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:25.439
decent cabin space. I like the instrument cluster and everything.
1827
01:14:26.449 --> 01:14:28.409
You could also get the dumb version of it where.
1828
01:14:28.189 --> 01:14:32.579
There's a smaller screen on there for government regulation.
1829
01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:33.220
But otherwise.
1830
01:14:33.500 --> 01:14:37.720
So basically an electric Maverick sounds awesome. I'm excited for that.
1831
01:14:37.819 --> 01:14:41.510
I think the range will be somewhat low. The leaked numbers,
1832
01:14:41.550 --> 01:14:43.130
I think, from that news site was that it was
1833
01:14:43.170 --> 01:14:45.510
going to be like low 200s on the base model.
1834
01:14:45.909 --> 01:14:48.449
But then you could get an extended range to get
1835
01:14:48.489 --> 01:14:50.850
it to 300. That's where they all land.
1836
01:14:51.010 --> 01:14:54.590
How much is that? It goes up.
1837
01:14:55.010 --> 01:14:57.510
I think it'll do well, but I do think Slate
1838
01:14:57.710 --> 01:15:00.909
is in a very much league of their own. They're
1839
01:15:00.930 --> 01:15:03.909
the only company that I've seen that's straight up putting
1840
01:15:03.930 --> 01:15:05.930
their foot down and just saying, we will have a
1841
01:15:06.930 --> 01:15:11.229
disconnected vehicle. No screen, no internet.
1842
01:15:11.689 --> 01:15:12.350
Unless you want it.
1843
01:15:12.989 --> 01:15:14.630
Then you can add it.
1844
01:15:15.149 --> 01:15:15.770
Or the iPad.
1845
01:15:18.140 --> 01:15:18.810
I wouldn't do that.
1846
01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:23.680
Would you, like... My iPad... I'd be worried about theft. Yeah, my.
1847
01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:25.199
Or just leaving it in the sun all day.
1848
01:15:25.220 --> 01:15:26.439
Well, that's why you take it with you.
1849
01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:27.859
That's why you get a Duo.
1850
01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:32.180
No. No. No, Colin.
1851
01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:33.079
That's wrong.
1852
01:15:33.819 --> 01:15:37.340
Because then you have music on maps on both.
1853
01:15:37.659 --> 01:15:39.479
You could do that in this car right now.
1854
01:15:40.020 --> 01:15:40.520
Yeah, but.
1855
01:15:40.619 --> 01:15:44.489
Without the Duo, because it's not out yet.
1856
01:15:44.810 --> 01:15:45.569
The Duo or the Drive.
1857
01:15:45.689 --> 01:15:47.810
So I mentioned before the Kia EV3.
1858
01:15:47.850 --> 01:15:53.569
Sorry. For some reason, I pictured a truck that folds
1859
01:15:53.590 --> 01:15:55.310
in half. What?
1860
01:15:55.789 --> 01:15:56.689
The Tello Duo.
1861
01:15:56.710 --> 01:16:00.069
Now it really fits in the garage.
1862
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:01.840
It's smaller.
1863
01:16:03.479 --> 01:16:07.560
Just for playful banter, I don't get the appeal of
1864
01:16:07.579 --> 01:16:10.600
the EV3. What's so cool about it? It just looks
1865
01:16:10.619 --> 01:16:14.079
like a short EV9. Right. That's it?
1866
01:16:15.850 --> 01:16:17.810
So, here's my appeal with it.
1867
01:16:17.909 --> 01:16:18.409
It is small.
1868
01:16:19.020 --> 01:16:21.800
I think of it as, what is the EV9 to
1869
01:16:21.819 --> 01:16:25.850
the R1S? A little bit cheaper. Oh, I see what
1870
01:16:25.869 --> 01:16:26.229
you're saying.
1871
01:16:26.270 --> 01:16:27.470
A little bit more legacy auto.
1872
01:16:27.489 --> 01:16:27.729
Okay.
1873
01:16:27.949 --> 01:16:30.489
Has a little bit more options for whatever you want.
1874
01:16:31.569 --> 01:16:35.149
And then the range... It's fine. Yeah, it's fine.
1875
01:16:35.189 --> 01:16:35.760
It's not great.
1876
01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:38.979
It's like 250 to 310 or whatever.
1877
01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:40.159
Yeah, it's the sweet spot.
1878
01:16:40.260 --> 01:16:43.250
And the EV3 is pretty much... 270 to.
1879
01:16:43.909 --> 01:16:46.550
Like 300 or something like that in which like if
1880
01:16:46.590 --> 01:16:49.949
you get either the base or the performance you're getting
1881
01:16:49.970 --> 01:16:52.670
like the 270 mile range or whatever and then if
1882
01:16:52.710 --> 01:16:54.770
you get anything else it's 300 do.
1883
01:16:54.609 --> 01:16:57.069
You like that it's more boxy is that appealing.
1884
01:16:56.789 --> 01:16:59.640
I like boxy okay i think so it kind of
1885
01:16:59.649 --> 01:17:02.779
fits into what the size of the y is that
1886
01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:05.180
we like is it's enough for all the stuff that
1887
01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:06.100
we cart around i.
1888
01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:08.260
Don't know how long it is is it shorter than
1889
01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:10.630
a y It looks shorter on the line.
1890
01:17:10.649 --> 01:17:12.289
It's slightly shorter than the Model Y.
1891
01:17:12.409 --> 01:17:12.689
Okay.
1892
01:17:12.909 --> 01:17:14.529
So that frees up some garage space.
1893
01:17:14.949 --> 01:17:17.220
I would say if you take the bolt and you
1894
01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:20.300
make it slightly longer, the new bolt, you make the
1895
01:17:20.340 --> 01:17:22.039
new bolt slightly longer, that's what the EV3 is.
1896
01:17:22.079 --> 01:17:23.239
All right. That's the sweet spot.
1897
01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:25.380
But you got the height that you want, like, in
1898
01:17:25.420 --> 01:17:25.960
an R2.
1899
01:17:27.420 --> 01:17:29.000
I see. Yeah, it does look kind of high off
1900
01:17:29.020 --> 01:17:29.300
the ground.
1901
01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:31.159
The issue that it has, it's kind of got, like,
1902
01:17:31.199 --> 01:17:35.430
the Volvo problem of, here's red. Or, like, here's blue, but, like,
1903
01:17:35.619 --> 01:17:37.750
the red or blue is, like, so toned down. Or
1904
01:17:37.770 --> 01:17:40.649
it's the iPhone effect where, like, the colors are just, like.
1905
01:17:40.810 --> 01:17:41.409
So muted.
1906
01:17:41.829 --> 01:17:45.189
My only thing, I love everything about the Kia and
1907
01:17:45.229 --> 01:17:48.520
Hyundai platforms. They charge great and they're affordable, but their
1908
01:17:48.569 --> 01:17:52.760
software really turns me off. Right. It just looks very
1909
01:17:52.920 --> 01:17:56.060
clunky and buggy. I guess they have CarPlay, so just
1910
01:17:56.140 --> 01:17:59.000
use that. I haven't been in one yet. I haven't
1911
01:17:59.159 --> 01:18:00.979
seen one yet. I thought I saw one, but I
1912
01:18:01.010 --> 01:18:03.510
think it's an EV9 that I saw. I've done the...
1913
01:18:04.350 --> 01:18:07.329
Forrest has an Ioniq 5, and I've played around with
1914
01:18:07.350 --> 01:18:07.949
it a little bit. Right.
1915
01:18:08.069 --> 01:18:09.430
I guess what I'm getting at is I haven't seen
1916
01:18:09.489 --> 01:18:12.420
an EV3 in person yet. I know that they are
1917
01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:17.000
in our area. Hot EV3s in our area. We just
1918
01:18:17.020 --> 01:18:17.579
have to find them.
1919
01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:18.760
Yeah.
1920
01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:19.619
It's summer.
1921
01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:24.720
But... No, Declan really likes it, too. Yeah. I just.
1922
01:18:24.819 --> 01:18:26.060
I would like to check it out.
1923
01:18:26.479 --> 01:18:27.420
Yeah. And just.
1924
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:31.470
Because we've sat and I've driven the R2, it's like, okay,
1925
01:18:31.510 --> 01:18:32.770
how does the EV3 compare?
1926
01:18:33.109 --> 01:18:33.850
The R2' s still.
1927
01:18:34.449 --> 01:18:36.550
pretty big but it's pretty much looking for a vehicle
1928
01:18:36.569 --> 01:18:41.069
that replaces the y eventually right and finding that is
1929
01:18:41.109 --> 01:18:42.869
going to be we're watching a.
1930
01:18:43.010 --> 01:18:47.170
R1t caltrans rivian go by yeah um.
1931
01:18:47.770 --> 01:18:50.470
But it's what will replace the y and what we need.
1932
01:18:50.750 --> 01:18:51.029
Yeah.
1933
01:18:51.300 --> 01:18:53.609
And so something that's like the Y that's not Tesla.
1934
01:18:53.880 --> 01:18:54.119
Yeah.
1935
01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:55.779
Well.
1936
01:18:56.220 --> 01:18:57.840
Can you pick up We're Done With Tesla?
1937
01:18:58.279 --> 01:18:58.399
Yes.
1938
01:19:00.710 --> 01:19:02.789
It's not necessarily the politics of Tesla.
1939
01:19:02.829 --> 01:19:05.640
It's just... You're like, I love all the politics.
1940
01:19:06.140 --> 01:19:07.039
It's just the car.
1941
01:19:07.500 --> 01:19:08.659
I think we had that same joke.
1942
01:19:09.140 --> 01:19:11.039
Yeah, we did that in the R2 video.
1943
01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:15.300
No, it's just how my car has been. For me,
1944
01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:16.119
it's the opposite.
1945
01:19:17.289 --> 01:19:18.829
I love the cars. I don't like the brand.
1946
01:19:18.850 --> 01:19:20.710
My cars are great. The brand sucks.
1947
01:19:21.649 --> 01:19:23.579
I don't like the brand and I think you put
1948
01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:25.220
it well in one of your videos, is that the
1949
01:19:25.319 --> 01:19:28.989
engineers do a fantastic job. It's just the direction that
1950
01:19:29.010 --> 01:19:31.050
the managers and the company takes them.
1951
01:19:31.069 --> 01:19:33.449
The executives don't speak for all the engineers. I'm sure
1952
01:19:33.470 --> 01:19:36.829
there's plenty of engineers that also hate what Elon says
1953
01:19:36.890 --> 01:19:39.789
and does and stuff. But, yeah, every time I drive
1954
01:19:39.810 --> 01:19:42.720
that thing, I'm like, man, they did a good job.
1955
01:19:42.859 --> 01:19:45.640
But if it drives, I'm like, man, this is stupid.
1956
01:19:46.180 --> 01:19:48.859
So that's why I like to drive. I feel better
1957
01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:51.779
about it. But, no, I would like to check out
1958
01:19:51.819 --> 01:19:54.359
an EV3. It feels like the same design language.
1959
01:19:54.380 --> 01:19:55.279
Let's schedule something then.
1960
01:19:55.500 --> 01:19:56.329
Yeah, that would be fun.
1961
01:19:56.340 --> 01:19:57.199
Because I want to check it out.
1962
01:19:57.539 --> 01:19:58.739
I bet this is shorter still.
1963
01:20:01.939 --> 01:20:04.729
I'm putting zero money down because I would say yes.
1964
01:20:04.750 --> 01:20:10.489
I agree. I think there was a... Something got discontinued,
1965
01:20:10.529 --> 01:20:11.850
the Fiat 500e.
1966
01:20:12.670 --> 01:20:13.810
I'm not surprised if it did.
1967
01:20:13.970 --> 01:20:15.770
I need to fact check it, but I believe the
1968
01:20:15.829 --> 01:20:19.960
Tello might be the shortest vehicle ever. On the market
1969
01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:21.039
when it goes into production.
1970
01:20:21.180 --> 01:20:26.420
Well, if this folded like the iPhone Duo, then you could.
1971
01:20:27.699 --> 01:20:28.619
Definitely.
1972
01:20:28.739 --> 01:20:32.819
Oh, my God. Oh, geez. Boy, did we miss anything?
1973
01:20:32.859 --> 01:20:35.970
What other major EV things? The ID Buzz got pushed again.
1974
01:20:36.770 --> 01:20:37.529
I'm not surprised.
1975
01:20:37.590 --> 01:20:39.789
I'm convinced they've canceled it and they just don't want.
1976
01:20:39.670 --> 01:20:40.189
To say that.
1977
01:20:40.270 --> 01:20:41.810
They made a cargo version of it.
1978
01:20:41.909 --> 01:20:43.750
We'll push it back another year.
1979
01:20:44.739 --> 01:20:45.840
But we're not canceling it.
1980
01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:47.199
We just need a little more time.
1981
01:20:47.340 --> 01:20:49.060
There's one I see almost every day.
1982
01:20:50.460 --> 01:20:54.079
They don't live near me, but in our commutes, we
1983
01:20:54.100 --> 01:20:55.659
typically cross paths, and I see it.
1984
01:20:56.180 --> 01:20:58.359
It's the creamsicle one, the large one.
1985
01:20:58.430 --> 01:20:59.470
I see one a lot, too.
1986
01:20:59.699 --> 01:21:03.510
And it's fun to see them. They're big. They don't
1987
01:21:03.529 --> 01:21:06.289
look that huge from the outside, but they are very big. Oh, yeah,
1988
01:21:06.310 --> 01:21:07.869
when we drove it, it was like, what the heck?
1989
01:21:07.890 --> 01:21:09.949
It was like, this really is a bus. It's massive.
1990
01:21:10.029 --> 01:21:10.390
Yeah.
1991
01:21:10.930 --> 01:21:12.970
But for me, it's just like, it's too much.
1992
01:21:13.430 --> 01:21:13.569
Yeah.
1993
01:21:13.869 --> 01:21:15.569
Too much in price, too much in size.
1994
01:21:15.630 --> 01:21:16.029
For sure.
1995
01:21:16.789 --> 01:21:18.770
It's not something that I can excuse as yet.
1996
01:21:18.810 --> 01:21:19.550
Would not fit the garage.
1997
01:21:19.569 --> 01:21:20.590
Would not fit in the garage.
1998
01:21:20.630 --> 01:21:21.149
Not even close.
1999
01:21:21.170 --> 01:21:23.229
The truck already occupies the rest of the driveway.
2000
01:21:23.250 --> 01:21:25.789
It's probably, well, maybe not as long as the truck,
2001
01:21:25.850 --> 01:21:28.670
but I bet it's close. Yeah. It's a big boy.
2002
01:21:28.930 --> 01:21:30.909
It is a big boy. It's a truck. It's meant
2003
01:21:30.930 --> 01:21:34.229
to be a truck. Though, I took a picture. You'd
2004
01:21:34.250 --> 01:21:37.710
appreciate it. We went to Lowe's the other day, and
2005
01:21:37.729 --> 01:21:38.750
there was a guy who had.
2006
01:21:38.630 --> 01:21:40.569
A fully, like, filled.
2007
01:21:41.140 --> 01:21:45.510
toyota tacoma from like 2001 nice and like it was
2008
01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:47.210
doing what i mean those were the good old the
2009
01:21:47.250 --> 01:21:50.029
guy was on his phone or ever just like planning
2010
01:21:50.050 --> 01:21:50.970
the next thing or.
2011
01:21:50.970 --> 01:21:54.069
Ever but those are the real tacoma.
2012
01:21:53.729 --> 01:21:56.159
Right next to it's like a super duty truck yeah
2013
01:21:56.180 --> 01:21:57.640
super duty f-150 or f-150 f-350 i'm looking at the two.
2014
01:21:57.640 --> 01:21:58.100
I'm like.
2015
01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:03.979
Wow!
2016
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:05.100
What a size difference.
2017
01:22:05.500 --> 01:22:08.220
Oh, it's insane. The old ones were so much smaller.
2018
01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:09.000
It's ridiculous.
2019
01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:12.939
It's like looking at a Chihuahua versus an Irish Wolfhound.
2020
01:22:12.979 --> 01:22:15.100
You're like, these are both called dogs.
2021
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:15.939
They're still dogs.
2022
01:22:18.039 --> 01:22:19.520
This is a pickup. That's a pickup.
2023
01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:24.939
No, they're not. I'm just glad there's so many small
2024
01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:27.979
trucks coming out. I remember daydreaming on this show back
2025
01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:32.760
in the day about the Wolverine Cybertruck, and you're like,
2026
01:22:33.100 --> 01:22:35.899
I wish they would make smaller EV trucks someday. That
2027
01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:38.699
would be sweet. And now it's like almost all that's
2028
01:22:38.739 --> 01:22:41.789
coming out is smaller EV trucks, and the big EV
2029
01:22:41.829 --> 01:22:42.989
trucks are kind of going away.
2030
01:22:43.029 --> 01:22:45.529
And I'm like, I'm fine with that. Let the big
2031
01:22:45.569 --> 01:22:46.449
trucks be gas.
2032
01:22:46.550 --> 01:22:48.829
That's fine. But if you're going to make it electric,
2033
01:22:48.869 --> 01:22:49.689
make it small.
2034
01:22:49.829 --> 01:22:53.479
Well, like we said probably in prior episodes is if
2035
01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:57.619
one of the big legacy auto companies makes a small truck,
2036
01:22:58.180 --> 01:23:00.939
the rest will hopefully follow. So I'm looking forward to
2037
01:23:00.979 --> 01:23:04.340
seeing what the Fathom looks like and then what Stellantis
2038
01:23:04.859 --> 01:23:07.640
and Chevy follow up with.
2039
01:23:08.380 --> 01:23:11.119
Yeah, I feel like I haven't heard much about what GM's...
2040
01:23:11.500 --> 01:23:13.159
Electric Colorado.
2041
01:23:13.460 --> 01:23:15.539
If they want to do Electric Colorado or.
2042
01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:19.920
That'd be cool. Was it Ram made a... It was
2043
01:23:19.960 --> 01:23:23.180
made in Mexico. I think it's still only made in Mexico.
2044
01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:23.579
Oh, okay.
2045
01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:25.199
I don't know if it's still being made, but they
2046
01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:26.859
made a... So there's the Ram 1500.
2047
01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:27.000
Right.
2048
01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:30.720
They made, I think it was a 700 or it
2049
01:23:30.739 --> 01:23:33.819
was a 1,000. They subtracted like 500 or 1,000.
2050
01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:36.460
I thought, yeah, I was going to say the F-150
2051
01:23:36.539 --> 01:23:37.579
and then 1,500.
2052
01:23:37.579 --> 01:23:40.300
They just do 15. They drop a digit.
2053
01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:42.000
Well, was it?
2054
01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:46.600
Stellantis and Chevy do 1,500 while Ford cut off a zero.
2055
01:23:46.979 --> 01:23:47.689
Yeah.
2056
01:23:47.729 --> 01:23:48.670
So just cut off one more.
2057
01:23:48.689 --> 01:23:52.710
But I remember Ram made, and it's in Mexico primarily.
2058
01:23:52.729 --> 01:23:54.029
It was like a 500 or a 700 or whatever.
2059
01:23:54.050 --> 01:23:54.539
There you go.
2060
01:23:54.550 --> 01:23:54.949
Or it was 1,000. Yeah.
2061
01:23:54.989 --> 01:24:00.590
And I thought, There you go. Or if you play
2062
01:24:00.649 --> 01:24:03.409
off of, like, everyone likes 800-volt architecture and you want
2063
01:24:03.529 --> 01:24:05.489
to put 800-volt architecture into it.
2064
01:24:05.529 --> 01:24:06.149
That would be perfect.
2065
01:24:06.210 --> 01:24:07.949
It's the Ram 800.
2066
01:24:07.949 --> 01:24:10.430
Seriously, I wish we could get more companies on board
2067
01:24:10.470 --> 01:24:11.250
with 800-volt.
2068
01:24:11.810 --> 01:24:14.430
The issue is that Stalantis just doesn't know how to
2069
01:24:14.470 --> 01:24:15.149
make vehicles.
2070
01:24:15.210 --> 01:24:15.529
That's true.
2071
01:24:15.670 --> 01:24:17.430
They can barely make one easy.
2072
01:24:18.529 --> 01:24:20.590
Here's a Jeep. Wagon.
2073
01:24:21.710 --> 01:24:22.590
The Wagoneer S.
2074
01:24:22.789 --> 01:24:23.069
Yeah.
2075
01:24:23.109 --> 01:24:25.189
There's actually one not too far from here, by the way.
2076
01:24:25.210 --> 01:24:27.079
Yeah, I've been seeing them. I'm kind of surprised. And
2077
01:24:27.100 --> 01:24:28.979
then there's that new Jeep coming out where all the
2078
01:24:29.390 --> 01:24:30.050
doors come off.
2079
01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:32.020
Oh, the recon.
2080
01:24:32.430 --> 01:24:34.010
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
2081
01:24:36.109 --> 01:24:38.310
I love how it gets so much flack. I'm like,
2082
01:24:38.449 --> 01:24:41.050
it's not meant to be. Yeah, people were getting mad
2083
01:24:41.090 --> 01:24:42.550
at the range. And I'm like, you know this is
2084
01:24:42.569 --> 01:24:45.210
a Jeep, right? Yeah, it's meant to be like, hey.
2085
01:24:45.250 --> 01:24:46.850
The gas Jeeps don't have great range.
2086
01:24:46.869 --> 01:24:50.409
You get it to the bougie trailer park that's right
2087
01:24:50.449 --> 01:24:54.659
next to the trailhead. right for your truck or the
2088
01:24:54.699 --> 01:24:56.439
recon you charge it up all the way to full
2089
01:24:56.460 --> 01:24:57.279
and then you take it on the.
2090
01:24:57.239 --> 01:25:00.670
Trail yeah no everything you do to make a vehicle
2091
01:25:00.710 --> 01:25:03.850
better at off-roading makes it worse in efficiency yeah which
2092
01:25:03.890 --> 01:25:06.050
is why i was not even mad when i saw
2093
01:25:06.130 --> 01:25:09.529
the recon i was like well of course the range
2094
01:25:09.590 --> 01:25:12.010
is low it's got beefy off-road tires i bet the
2095
01:25:12.069 --> 01:25:17.279
motors all have locking differentials which probably aren't you know,
2096
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:20.039
the powertrain was probably not chosen for the best possible range.
2097
01:25:20.060 --> 01:25:21.760
You got the window switches on the middle so.
2098
01:25:21.619 --> 01:25:23.260
That way all the doors can come on.
2099
01:25:23.260 --> 01:25:25.850
When you want to take or put down the window
2100
01:25:25.970 --> 01:25:27.810
on your non-existent door, you can.
2101
01:25:27.829 --> 01:25:31.069
Yeah. No. Yeah, reduce the wire.
2102
01:25:31.090 --> 01:25:32.229
You understand why they do that, right?
2103
01:25:32.289 --> 01:25:36.210
Yeah, yeah. So you can, when they pop it all off.
2104
01:25:36.229 --> 01:25:37.750
You don't have all, yeah, you don't have all the
2105
01:25:37.789 --> 01:25:39.399
wires or other things.
2106
01:25:39.529 --> 01:25:42.220
For that purpose, it made perfect sense. You know, like,
2107
01:25:42.859 --> 01:25:44.470
people were mad at it for, they were like, oh,
2108
01:25:44.500 --> 01:25:47.550
Model Y gets way more range. And I'm like, That's
2109
01:25:47.630 --> 01:25:52.310
a Model Y, though. You're comparing like a... I'm trying
2110
01:25:52.329 --> 01:25:55.239
to think of a good example. Like a Cheetah is
2111
01:25:55.279 --> 01:25:57.300
faster than a Dolphin.
2112
01:25:57.439 --> 01:26:00.079
Yeah, let's compare a Corvette versus a 1500 Silverado.
2113
01:26:00.380 --> 01:26:00.800
Right.
2114
01:26:00.819 --> 01:26:04.720
Why are you making that comparison? It makes no sense.
2115
01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:07.399
Yeah, they're very different products for different things. Any final
2116
01:26:07.460 --> 01:26:09.979
closing thoughts.
2117
01:26:08.859 --> 01:26:10.439
Before we get back to it?
2118
01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:13.100
Are there any EVs coming out soon that you're interested
2119
01:26:13.189 --> 01:26:14.100
in besides the Fathom?
2120
01:26:15.100 --> 01:26:17.479
I really want to check out a slate. They let
2121
01:26:17.510 --> 01:26:18.909
me look at the one at the event, but I
2122
01:26:18.930 --> 01:26:20.609
would like to sit in it and drive it. I'm
2123
01:26:21.170 --> 01:26:21.850
curious how it feels.
2124
01:26:22.090 --> 01:26:23.510
Are they going to have brick and mortar stores?
2125
01:26:24.409 --> 01:26:26.609
I don't think so. At least they haven't talked about it.
2126
01:26:27.050 --> 01:26:29.500
They probably should, though, at some point. They should have little,
2127
01:26:29.979 --> 01:26:34.100
kind of like Rivian stores. They're great. I could see
2128
01:26:34.140 --> 01:26:37.210
them filling up the walls with the accessories and Well,
2129
01:26:37.369 --> 01:26:38.289
I was thinking.
2130
01:26:37.989 --> 01:26:40.909
They could just take over Polestar's old location in a
2131
01:26:40.909 --> 01:26:43.350
local mall. There's plenty of those, right? That's something that
2132
01:26:43.409 --> 01:26:44.359
also happened in between.
2133
01:26:44.399 --> 01:26:44.800
Yeah, yeah.
2134
01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:46.760
Rest in peace, Polestar in the United States.
2135
01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:47.420
Oh, my God.
2136
01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:48.659
That was so frustrating.
2137
01:26:48.680 --> 01:26:50.479
And guess what they did, like, a month after?
2138
01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:50.960
What?
2139
01:26:51.159 --> 01:26:54.680
Here's the wagon version of the Polestar 4. I'm like, no!
2140
01:26:55.260 --> 01:26:55.619
I know.
2141
01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:56.600
That's what I wanted!
2142
01:26:56.800 --> 01:26:58.939
All the startups, I guess, I'm pumped for.
2143
01:26:59.380 --> 01:27:00.239
Aptera, of course.
2144
01:27:01.060 --> 01:27:02.600
Whenever they come out with their vehicle.
2145
01:27:02.649 --> 01:27:06.640
Yeah, they had that whole launch partnership, so... Is it coming?
2146
01:27:06.859 --> 01:27:10.100
I hope it does. It feels like, you know, it's
2147
01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:12.340
been delayed so many times, it's hard to get excited.
2148
01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:14.840
If it comes out before 2030, I call that a
2149
01:27:14.859 --> 01:27:15.640
success at this point.
2150
01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:19.050
That's a success. I would definitely buy an Aptera before
2151
01:27:19.090 --> 01:27:23.430
a Slate, though. Oh, efficiency. Yeah, I'm a big efficiency fan,
2152
01:27:23.470 --> 01:27:26.090
and I love the free charging, so that would be
2153
01:27:26.130 --> 01:27:28.130
a huge seller. Of course, the Tello, I'm pumped for
2154
01:27:28.170 --> 01:27:31.069
everybody to see the production version and how much better
2155
01:27:31.109 --> 01:27:34.000
it is and the quick charging, so. Yeah, that's still
2156
01:27:34.060 --> 01:27:36.920
the dream driveway. I haven't budged from that. Aptera and Tello,
2157
01:27:36.939 --> 01:27:38.060
that would cover all my needs.
2158
01:27:38.729 --> 01:27:43.649
Yeah, mine's still a little bit bigger. Mine's R2 and Scout.
2159
01:27:44.050 --> 01:27:46.689
Oh, that would be cool. That would be a pretty driveway. Yeah.
2160
01:27:46.869 --> 01:27:50.630
Scout feels kind of Rivian-esque in a lot of ways, too. Yeah.
2161
01:27:50.930 --> 01:27:53.779
You still get your generator. You still get your gas.
2162
01:27:54.939 --> 01:27:56.680
I'm waiting to see how that goes for a lot
2163
01:27:56.699 --> 01:27:59.699
of these car companies. Granted, it's not the newest technology.
2164
01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:01.850
It's just a different format for it.
2165
01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:06.159
Yeah. It's a bit more complicated, I think, than people realize. Right.
2166
01:28:06.380 --> 01:28:09.600
To get a generator that can actually output enough power
2167
01:28:10.159 --> 01:28:13.220
to charge the battery while you're at highway speed. Like,
2168
01:28:13.260 --> 01:28:18.020
it's not a basic generator. Well, it's an engine. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
2169
01:28:18.250 --> 01:28:20.189
it has to run at a high enough rate. You know,
2170
01:28:20.229 --> 01:28:22.449
it's not like... Right, but it's constant. Yeah.
2171
01:28:22.470 --> 01:28:23.050
That's the other thing.
2172
01:28:23.449 --> 01:28:25.250
That's where you get your savings is that it's a
2173
01:28:25.289 --> 01:28:27.409
constant rate, so you're not varying it, so you're not
2174
01:28:27.430 --> 01:28:31.600
getting wear from different RPMs and whatever else.
2175
01:28:31.899 --> 01:28:35.350
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's a difficult balance with that pack.
2176
01:28:35.350 --> 01:28:39.300
you know you're pulling and charging yep simultaneously that's where
2177
01:28:39.340 --> 01:28:42.039
I see the issues with it I could see it's
2178
01:28:42.060 --> 01:28:43.420
been done but yeah yeah.
2179
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:45.720
Where if you do something like what Volvo is doing
2180
01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:52.039
with the new XC90 where it's just another hybrid that
2181
01:28:52.060 --> 01:28:55.520
you've seen but like the Volt yep but now you
2182
01:28:55.539 --> 01:28:58.180
get like I think 70 or 80 miles of range
2183
01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:00.239
and On its battery that's got in there now.
2184
01:29:00.270 --> 01:29:00.970
It's a bit more usable.
2185
01:29:00.979 --> 01:29:01.930
For the XC90.
2186
01:29:02.050 --> 01:29:04.229
I do wonder how that ages. You know, you're kind
2187
01:29:04.250 --> 01:29:07.829
of over-cycling it. If you just use the electric part
2188
01:29:07.869 --> 01:29:09.310
every day. Yes.
2189
01:29:09.750 --> 01:29:12.449
That's pretty much what Slate's problem was originally.
2190
01:29:13.289 --> 01:29:15.890
Was, you don't have, I mean, you get okay range,
2191
01:29:16.029 --> 01:29:18.729
but you're cycling a lithium ion battery so many times.
2192
01:29:18.770 --> 01:29:21.170
That's the problem when you try to make the small
2193
01:29:21.229 --> 01:29:22.689
range models.
2194
01:29:23.050 --> 01:29:24.409
I'd have to look into it again to see if
2195
01:29:24.430 --> 01:29:26.699
Volvo went with a lithium ion phosphate battery in it.
2196
01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:30.739
But I know for Slate, they're doing a lithium iron phosphate.
2197
01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:31.539
Battery, which I applaud.
2198
01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:31.979
Great call.
2199
01:29:32.260 --> 01:29:34.779
I was so happy when they announced that. Same with Scout.
2200
01:29:34.819 --> 01:29:38.869
I think they said that at least the hybrid versions
2201
01:29:39.109 --> 01:29:40.090
are LFP. Yeah.
2202
01:29:40.250 --> 01:29:41.409
If so, that's great, too.
2203
01:29:41.529 --> 01:29:43.289
You need it for that application.
2204
01:29:43.329 --> 01:29:43.829
It's very helpful.
2205
01:29:43.869 --> 01:29:45.390
You want to have high cycle life.
2206
01:29:45.430 --> 01:29:46.430
Yep. For sure.
2207
01:29:46.449 --> 01:29:47.949
And the only way to get high cycle life.
2208
01:29:47.850 --> 01:29:51.149
Is go for a different chemistry unless you really want
2209
01:29:51.170 --> 01:29:56.130
to pull a hummer. And just load that sucker in
2210
01:29:56.149 --> 01:29:57.800
with as many cells as possible.
2211
01:29:57.909 --> 01:29:59.420
Do you know someone with a Hummer EV?
2212
01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:00.460
There's a couple people.
2213
01:30:00.739 --> 01:30:03.340
I want to do a size with this. I think
2214
01:30:03.359 --> 01:30:04.260
it would be fun. That'd be great.
2215
01:30:05.619 --> 01:30:07.260
The bed is about the same size.
2216
01:30:07.439 --> 01:30:09.439
I don't know what they go for on the used market,
2217
01:30:09.460 --> 01:30:10.420
but I'd be curious.
2218
01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:13.510
I don't think they're much cheaper. But I was looking around.
2219
01:30:13.550 --> 01:30:14.989
I was trying to, like, could I rent one on
2220
01:30:15.050 --> 01:30:16.789
Turo for a video? It might be fun.
2221
01:30:17.310 --> 01:30:18.529
And no, there were none.
2222
01:30:20.430 --> 01:30:23.329
Strange. But I see them. They're around. Mm-hmm. But I'm
2223
01:30:23.369 --> 01:30:26.250
just like, how do I get in contact with a
2224
01:30:26.289 --> 01:30:29.029
Hummer EV owner and then ask if they're okay with
2225
01:30:29.069 --> 01:30:31.859
me roasting their vehicle? Do you mind if I make
2226
01:30:32.020 --> 01:30:33.300
fun of your car? Is that okay?
2227
01:30:33.699 --> 01:30:33.979
Right.
2228
01:30:34.279 --> 01:30:37.300
Will they be like, ah, sure, or get away from me,
2229
01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:41.710
you know? How did you get in my house? Those
2230
01:30:41.750 --> 01:30:42.829
kinds of questions.
2231
01:30:43.010 --> 01:30:43.550
Pretty much.
2232
01:30:44.930 --> 01:30:47.189
My only gripe was that Polestar is gone from the
2233
01:30:47.250 --> 01:30:47.970
United States.
2234
01:30:48.189 --> 01:30:50.430
That was a bummer. And I feel like it was
2235
01:30:50.470 --> 01:30:52.979
very avoidable. Right.
2236
01:30:54.140 --> 01:30:57.819
But otherwise, no, I guess, yeah, for me, I'm looking
2237
01:30:57.859 --> 01:30:59.640
forward to what the Fathom looks like.
2238
01:30:59.899 --> 01:31:00.239
Me too.
2239
01:31:00.319 --> 01:31:01.699
And its options. Yeah.
2240
01:31:01.859 --> 01:31:02.979
I want to know how big the bed is.
2241
01:31:03.180 --> 01:31:06.300
And then I'm still very curious why Scout is still delayed.
2242
01:31:07.260 --> 01:31:12.510
Well, Volkswagen is having all kinds of financial struggles right now. Right.
2243
01:31:12.670 --> 01:31:16.640
That's probably trickling into Scout. They're like, we need more money.
2244
01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:21.159
And Volkswagen's like, oh, do you? Oh, shoot. Rivian? Audi?
2245
01:31:21.220 --> 01:31:24.789
Let me look around. Yeah, Rivian. Can someone else invest
2246
01:31:24.869 --> 01:31:25.399
in this, please?
2247
01:31:25.609 --> 01:31:29.699
Right. Or was it the new i3 from BMW?
2248
01:31:29.979 --> 01:31:30.899
Oh, that looks kind of cool.
2249
01:31:31.020 --> 01:31:33.779
That one they're fast-tracking to get to us customers right now.
2250
01:31:33.939 --> 01:31:36.520
Which is interesting. I love the interior. I love the
2251
01:31:36.579 --> 01:31:39.420
charging specs. It charges really fast.
2252
01:31:39.779 --> 01:31:41.500
I don't love the front look.
2253
01:31:41.819 --> 01:31:44.149
Are you talking about the i3X or the i3?
2254
01:31:45.140 --> 01:31:46.460
I thought it was the i3.
2255
01:31:46.920 --> 01:31:49.600
Okay. So is the i3X that kind of looks like
2256
01:31:49.779 --> 01:31:54.050
a SUV BMW car? The regular i3 looks like a sedan.
2257
01:31:54.329 --> 01:31:57.340
But it still has that big mustache on the front.
2258
01:31:57.729 --> 01:32:00.739
Well, it's the smaller mustache, just like the i3X.
2259
01:32:01.119 --> 01:32:01.399
Yeah.
2260
01:32:01.859 --> 01:32:03.960
I think the allure to me is that they're going
2261
01:32:03.979 --> 01:32:06.399
to offer an option that has a convertible.
2262
01:32:07.739 --> 01:32:08.260
Oh, interesting.
2263
01:32:08.279 --> 01:32:10.659
Which is not something that we've really seen as a
2264
01:32:10.720 --> 01:32:11.600
convertible EV.
2265
01:32:11.640 --> 01:32:13.550
We've seen ones that you can take panels off.
2266
01:32:13.729 --> 01:32:14.369
Right, right.
2267
01:32:14.670 --> 01:32:16.409
In the U.S., that's hard to find any car.
2268
01:32:16.489 --> 01:32:18.609
Exactly. So that's what I'm curious about with that.
2269
01:32:18.890 --> 01:32:21.590
I like everything about it except that little bucktooth thing.
2270
01:32:22.409 --> 01:32:25.489
It's better than what, was it, the iX had? The
2271
01:32:25.689 --> 01:32:26.710
iX was, like, massive.
2272
01:32:26.750 --> 01:32:28.140
Huge teeth, yeah. Looked like a.
2273
01:32:28.250 --> 01:32:30.449
Giant lungs at that point.
2274
01:32:30.470 --> 01:32:32.720
Like a squirrel, yeah. Squirrel.
2275
01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:33.640
That was a beaver.
2276
01:32:33.810 --> 01:32:34.399
Yeah, beaver.
2277
01:32:34.439 --> 01:32:35.220
That's what I meant, yeah.
2278
01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:39.100
It's not my favorite exterior design, but everything else I love.
2279
01:32:39.260 --> 01:32:42.140
I like their screen layout, and I like the wheel. Right.
2280
01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:43.739
The rear is good, too.
2281
01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:45.239
It looks great, but... Yeah.
2282
01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:47.300
There's still stuff coming.
2283
01:32:47.560 --> 01:32:47.739
Yep.
2284
01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:48.760
We'll see you next year.
2285
01:32:49.289 --> 01:32:50.369
See you next year.
2286
01:32:50.829 --> 01:32:51.670
Whenever we have time.
2287
01:32:52.609 --> 01:32:54.760
Hopefully the next show will be in a production tiller.
2288
01:32:55.079 --> 01:32:55.340
Right.
2289
01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:55.939
That would be cool.
2290
01:32:55.979 --> 01:32:57.560
I think that's the point. We try to record these
2291
01:32:57.619 --> 01:32:58.180
when we have time.
2292
01:32:58.359 --> 01:32:58.539
Yeah.
2293
01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:00.739
And we had an excuse in time.
2294
01:33:00.819 --> 01:33:05.619
We're probably missing a lot of work right now. Oh, yes. Definitely. Definitely.
2295
01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:06.539
All right.
2296
01:33:06.760 --> 01:33:08.560
I'll bring the truck back before I get fired.
2297
01:33:09.399 --> 01:33:09.899
Thanks, Mike.
2298
01:33:10.340 --> 01:33:12.180
It's great being here. Thanks for having us.
2299
01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:13.430
See ya. Bye.