Swing Thoughts 300 for September 26, 2025

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December twenty second, twenty fifteen.
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This is a ball of tiger woods.
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Lend me what about this?
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Oh, this is extremely different.
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This is one of the toughest pitches on the entire place.
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Here now here it comes.
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Oh my goodness, Oh in your life have you seen
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anything like that? Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to swing Thoughts.
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The only coaching mental performance program.
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That is going to make you a better golfer.
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It's going to make you shoot lower scores and more importantly,
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stuff hating yourself.
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That's the key right there, the key.
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Tim O'Connor, mental performance coach for Clublink, all around excellent
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writer and friend.
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I'm Howard Glassman, humble.
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Howard, legendary radio broadcaster and mentally pardon vegetary and mentally
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deficient golfer.
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Let me just try and stop this thing. Hey on
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a second, I can't even get it to open anymore.
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You can give yourself more credit than that. Oh yeah,
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mentally deficient. I am. Mentally I'm like a lot of golfers. Man.
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It took me a long time to grow up. Why
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is that? Why are God golf?
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I think golf MiG is kept me immature longer than
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I needed to be What is it about golfers that
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we're there's really it really brings out your inner child. Yes,
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you're in your bad your worst, best sides of your
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personality and your worst size.
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Why is it so revealing the game of golf? I
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think that's just it.
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You're naked out there.
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It doesn't matter whether you're the the the male boy
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or the CEO. You're totally naked out there in terms
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of like your ability and if you've you know, lay
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the sod over it or hit it a couple of
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times out of the bunker.
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There's no hiding.
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No, there's no and everyone's just there and you're exposed, man,
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especially the way you react.
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And ten years Yeah, it's funny. It seems like it's
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funny how that started, because it's like as soon as
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the music stopped ten years ago, I asked you that
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question and then you gave the response, and then we've
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been having the same conversation for three hundred episodes.
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Yeah.
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Well, like I said, my sister said, who knew you
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could talk about?
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No?
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Hey, everybody, same conversation. That's right, have the same conversation
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over and over again. It's like a bottles of shampoo.
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Welcome everybody to episode three hundred. It's hard to believe
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that we've come from those early conversations about golf nerves
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and the voices in our head together and what started
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as two friends talking about the game game has grown
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into a community tim of listeners of STDs who've laughed
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with us and learned with us and maybe even played
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a little better along the way. I am Golf Spiritual Leader,
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although I wasn't when that show launched on December twenty second,
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and of course coach Tim O'Connor, I was thinking about us,
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you know, like I because of the podcast, I became annoyed.
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I became I became anointed as Golf Spiritual Leader.
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No, no, no, you ascended.
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I ascended, that's right, I ascended.
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It was a self anointed.
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It was.
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It was a self anointed.
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I shouldn't mention that it was void.
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I mean it was empty, so someone had to grab them.
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Well, no, that's that's a very good point. It was.
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I transcended and descended. But I was was this self annoyed?
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I literally sent away in the mail, could I be
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Golf Spiritual here? Along with coach Tim O'Connor. Now, when
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that started that conversation we began. You were writing for Clublink.
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You were obviously I'm not sure what book I think
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at the time, you were just about to revise the
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Feeling of Greatness?
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Am I not mine the ball?
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Are corrector I was in the process of working on
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that and that. Yeah, the second edition of the Feeling
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of Greatness book came out in twenty seventeen.
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I know it, you know, and I'm ten years older
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and I forget things.
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So to see, right, I looked to my left to
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look at the poster in my room of the make
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sure I get the title right.
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Well, so a lot has changed, but a lot of
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stayed the same. And we welcome everybody, thanks for being
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with us for these ten years. And so I was
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going to say you were a writer, not just a writer.
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You want a great writer and had written some books,
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were advising that book, and that was before the getting
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Unstuck Golf Nerd thing, and then you became I'm just
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trying to do the time that you became the coach
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of the gwelf Griffins, Oh.
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Goh, yeah, yeah, you were coaching that was gone into
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the archives here pal.
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Well, the thing is I was thinking about it because
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I went back and listened to some of the stuff
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from episode one when I grabbed that, and that was
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before you were coaching a golf team.
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Then you were after that.
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That was three or four years, and then you sort
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of transitioned to a lot of mental coaching obviously, and
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then you started teaching golf swing. So a lot has
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changed in your life as well in terms of your
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in terms of your golfing life.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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The The thing with the golf team was really really fun.
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How that happened is is that the I just called
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up the coach and I said, hey, do you want
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some help?
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He goes, oh my god, yes.
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And yeah, that just was a really great experience working
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with top level players. University golfers in Canada are generally
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the man scratch handicaps, so that was an amazing experience.
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Also, you were coaching Ralph Bauer's kid, weren't you.
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Yes, Rachel Bauer was on our golf team.
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We had a lot of good players, justin Allen, who's
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now a professional, playing a lot of those development tours
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in the United States. Yeah, I mean, and it's interesting
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how some of those players were headed towards careers in
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like finance and things like that, and they ended up
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going back into golf. Nick Striker is one of those
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how's that for a golf name?
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What a great name? Nick Striker on the team exactly,
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Nick Striker.
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Yeah, he's at Scarborough right now.
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It's better than that guy Shank Adam Shank is an
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actual Sank.
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But he's also also a professional.
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I know, I know, yeah, he's also he's all still
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working at im Yeah, that was amazing.
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Speaking of the Shanks, I think you know, one of
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the first stories we told.
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This was I'm not sure if it was on episode one.
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It probably was, but I call the first time just
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to give everyone a little background in case you hadn't
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been been with us for three hundred episodes. Tim was
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writing for a magazine that club Link put out. I'm
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not sure if they still do, called Fairways.
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No Fairways is uh? Did you it was Clublink Life?
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Yeah, and it was a pretty nice magazine, looking sort
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of glossy. It was well well done, and you were
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one of the main writers and you were you got
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the short straw, I guess, and had to. They were
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supposed to interview me about my life in golf and
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humble Howard.
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And all that nonsense, and and right away I remember
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where we were.
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I know exactly where we were at the Glenn Karen
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uh Bar, the area there that the bistro, and we
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were sitting over the corner talking golf, and it was
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just I was supposed to meet you to talk about
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this interview, and we just had so much in common,
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so much shared background of nerdom and geeking out about golf,
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and that's kind of how it began. And then the
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article came out, and that was great. And I don't
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remember exactly what obviously that conversation began a lot of
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conversations and the impetus for this podcast, but I don't
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I was actually surprised when we went back and looked
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at it was December twenty second. We had done a
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couple of practice shows before we put out the first one.
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I think, yeah, and somehow you thought, despite what went on,
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what the recordings revealed about your potential partner, you boldly
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went ahead, You took the risk, you went so yeah.
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I mean I just remember I actually remember saying to
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you it was something like, these conversations are really interesting.
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I think we should record them.
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Because I had just started to become like a lot
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of people in those days, cognizant of this thing called.
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A podcast, podcast aware for sure.
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And the interesting thing about this in many ways is
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that podcasting was in its infancy then.
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I mean, I mean there was some.
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It's not like now where everyone and their dog and
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a cat has a podcast. But we were somewhat pioneers,
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you could say, maybe in the golf spance.
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Well, for sure, while you know our show, The Humble
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and Fred Show, we'd only started our podcast four years
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prior to that, and Freddie and I are like, in
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another few weeks, FREDA and I will start recording our
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fifteenth year of doing this. And the reason and because
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we had the whole infrastructure in place. But to your point,
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when we first started in October of twenty eleven, Fred
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and I, we would go to these agencies, like big
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advertising agencies who knew who we were, and we had
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our sales manager with us, and we'd sit around these
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boardrooms with these people who were working in the media,
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none of which had a podcast. Listen to podcasts. Now
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all of them have their own podcast. So and so
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I would say that what we were one of the
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first podcasts of this type for sure, not that that
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means anything, but it was very new. And I remember
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in the early days of not just us but Humble
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in front of having to take somebody's phone and they'd say, well,
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how can I listen to you?
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Is it like a radio show on the internet.
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That's what explained.
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That's what people would explain. It was a hard Is
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it an internet radio show? Yeah?
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Well okay, I just go right there because because folks,
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when Howard said that about like, oh is that interesting?
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Is his head just like toppled down and his chin
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went into his chest. And so a lot of our
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earlier podcasts I would see that, oh.
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That when I would when you when I would make
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that face like what am I doing here?
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Yeah?
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Oh my god, Well how did I decide to go
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ahead with this guy? Because I, you know, even though
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I'd done radio in the nineties, I had two different
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radio shows. I had a syndicated show that I did
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with telemedia. It was like a ninety second thing I
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did where I would take usually little short snippets of
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interviews i'd got in the tournaments and create a little
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story around it. And then I did another a live show,
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the Golf Show.
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On Top six.
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Forty I think it was. Yeah.
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Anyways, so I did a little bit of experience, but
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now I was working with a plus handicapped broadcaster, you know,
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a guy ha'd been doing it for thousands years like you,
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and so things would happen. I remember second one, Welcome
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to the award winning podcast, and I.
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Oh my god, I go, well, what award do we win?
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And your head just like toppled down where I was
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like shopped at the neck. I was like, oh my god,
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this is what I have to work with because I
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explained to you at our post show meeting, and just
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go along.
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With anything I say. It's all just a nonsense. It's
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all just.
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It's a it's a bit I want but I want
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to I want to remember after some of those shows, you.
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Would go, like, Tim, we need to have a conversation, but.
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Listen, let's talk about your okay. So that's that's true.
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You definitely had a little experience, but you'd never had experience.
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And I'm going to tell you're gonna be a compliment.
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Now it's going to take about forty seconds. I've had
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lots of broadcasters, I mean, big name Toronto, famous morning
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guys on the Humble and Fred show for a real
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authentic conversation and Tim they were not very good at
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it because and I'm going to say to this, doing
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a podcast is not like doing a radio show. There's
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no net it. You're very exposed and so you were
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thrown into that. So those things you were doing on
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telemedia lot a little interstitial ninety seconds recorded things, or
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even like a radio show is not like this, where
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it's just you got to sink or swim. And I think,
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beside the fact that I became GSL, you're ten years
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of broadcasting, you know, not just with me, but you
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got all your reps in, you know, and if you
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go back and listen to the first even the first
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year of shows or second the year of shows, by
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the time we got into year two and three, we
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really hit it. As we had hit a stride you gotten.
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You got so much more comfortable.
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You did what was that speaking thing you went and did?
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You did Toastmasters, You've done improv classes, you're on stage
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with your band, you've done public speaking, and it all shows.
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And I think, yes, it's all jokey, jokey about becoming.
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A spiritual leader of the golfers.
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But I think your broadcast Chops in three hundred episodes
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and ten years of doing this and just so different.
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You're in a different you wouldn't even recognize yourself. Although
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that clip I played at the beginning, you know, we
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had a good we had a good vibe going. It
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was almost like as soon as that music stops, we
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started talking and it's like we've been having.
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Yeah, thank you, and thank you for a lot of
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those lovely things you said. But I have to say,
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is that like I've just.
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with you, I've just learned so so much. I gotta
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tell a quick story of how I see that play out.
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So I was doing a workshop about a year and
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a half ago at a car dealership, a pretty successful
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one around the GTA, and I had this thing, I said,
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imagine yourself, you know, the who's your hero. We went
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around the room and I said, I put up a
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thing of Jimmy Hendrix, and I said, I wanted to
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be Jimmy Hendrix. Even though I was a good Roman
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Catholic church going kid who lived in the suburbs, I
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wanted to be Jimmy Hendrix and uh, you know, he
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was a master, dressed so snazzy, and he played his
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guitar like he was humping it. No reaction, just everyone
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looks at me kind of blink blink, And I said,
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that was funny.
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You can laugh at it, and bang, room erupted.
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And that's the type of thing I learned from you, sir,
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is being able to address.
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You know, what's going on in the room.
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stumble over it, like have fun with it, yea, because
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it's being human absolutely.
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Like what you learn to do is there's a phrase called,
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you know, don't deny the verbal reality, don't deny what's
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actually happening. And that's what better broadcasters, and you've become
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a very good broadcaster.
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That's what you do.
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You kind of go, hey, let's just acknowledge that we've
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just that something weird.
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Listen, I just sent Dueling are one of our We're
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going we're only gonna have a couple of guests here
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this morning, but We've got a lot of people that
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have sent in well wishes, so let's get to a
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couple of those doings. Standing by just sent him the
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link I thought I had done that. Some of these
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are our STDs. Swang thought Debo tas I remember. I
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remember when I said that for the first time. You
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were all like, I don't know about Chicova because I'm
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from Catholic school, and.
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I was like, this going with it, dude, it's dumb
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and people.
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I had to go. I had to get over a
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lot of things like that.
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For instance, here's an std HI coach.
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Tim and GSL.
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This is Dave Linkhurst from Renting Country Club in Pennsylvania, USA,
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and I look forward to each podcast. I'm glad to
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say I'm an std You've had so many wonderful guests
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that help us not to go down that rabbit hole.
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Fret Schoemaker was correct.
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Once you achieved solid contact, the gulf of universe.
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At that point, it's not about to swing.
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Unfortunately, most of everyone keeps going down that rabbit hole.
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Congratulations on your three hundredth podcast and hoping to listen
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to many more.
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Thank you again, what.
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A very sweet message.
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So there's an American, Yes, an American who is a bright,
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caring human individual loving this program. Here's another guy that
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I actually met through you, Ronan.
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What a sweetheart. He has a message for us as well.
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Hey, Samin Howard, Ronan here, congratulating you on episode three hundred.
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It's a truly an amazing accomplishment. And I think it's
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an amazing job you guys have done keeping a podcast
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going for this long, and I think you've also kind
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of established a great little golf community. I always look
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forward to listening to you guys on my way to
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the course in the morning, and always I want to
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thank you guys for allowing us stdars in on your
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ups and downs on the golf course. And sometimes I
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know it's golf heaven, a lot of times it's golf hell,
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but it's always really entertaining, dominating and sometimes even scintillating.
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So looking forward to three hundred more guys. Congratulations.
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What a good man that Roan is. Ronan, You're a
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good guy. Yeah, a very nice person, Ronan is, that's
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for sure. Have you got duel in there?
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Letting him in as they say, all right, there.
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We are there, he is there. He is. Let me
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let me get a little intro music here. Yeah.
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When we first started this three hundred episodes ago, we thought, hey,
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who could provide some insight, some acumen, some mental performance coaching?
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And we thought of a bunch of people and none
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of them were available.
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So someone who has become he was a he was
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a friend of Tim's, but he's become a good friend
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of mine and for ten years he's been answering the
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call anytime we make it. And early on we were well,
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we benefited from his expertise and had some great conversations
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and welcome back top notch performance coach Paul duland everybody.
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Hello, Hello, everybody including YouTube.
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Hello sir, Hello cold On Well spend ten years my friend,
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and thanks first of all, thanks for doing this. Yeah,
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but if we can provide any content today besides you know,
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stroking each other, I thought a good place to start
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with you would be, you know, in ten years, you know,
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we've been doing this and had lots of conversations. But
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I would ask both of you this question, because Tim's
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now doing a lot of performance coaching, do.
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What do you think do you think things have changed?
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Or if you if you do what has changed in
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terms of the mental performing or sports psychology or Gulf psychology.
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Has there been any changes and if what if there
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has been?
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What Jim, you want to go first?
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No, you go first? You got our guests.
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I think that it used to be kind of a
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almost a weird thing for a lot of players to
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consider that they would have, like a psychologist, a sports psychologist.
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I still think because we're in this Western world of
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we've got to be tough and men and masculine, that
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it was a sign of weakness. But you go now
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pretty well, I wouldn't say all, but so many players
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now have on their entourage, you know, someone who helps
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them with their fitness, nutrition, They've got a chef on
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the road, and they also have a mental game coach
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wherever you want to call it with them, and so
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that's really become a very common thing, not with everybody,
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and Paul, you probably have a better grasp before he
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answers that, I think I think that there's a I
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think that's an emphasis on.
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That let's both talk at the same time, because I
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think that's a great point. I think that I think
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you make a great point, Like I think ten years ago,
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I didn't have a lot of.
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Conversations at my golf course about this stuff. Now I have.
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Now everybody's talking about Paul. What did you think?
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Yeah, I mean, I've been doing this. I can't even
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remember how loone now twenty five years, probably business and
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golf related. I started with business stuff. That's more than
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twenty five it's almost thirty years. And when I first
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started doing a relative for golf about twenty five years ago,
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people are like, what's that like? They didn't even know
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about it. Some people, you know, professional players and really
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good players knew a little bit about it, and you know,
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almost everybody would say something like yeah, I read Rotella's
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book or something like that. But that was the extent
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of it, and it was really not all that popular.
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very gradually in terms of its don't want to say popularity,
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because I don't know how popular it is, but at
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least recognition that it's like, it's not weird out, you know,
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weird out stuff. It's it's actually the norm for people
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to examine how they do things internally. Now, you know,
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just the idea of you know, mental health, I mean
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what's the what's the bell thing up there?
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It's called it's called Bell Let's talk. But the first
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year they had it, I called it. I said, Bell's
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all about mental health. Their thing is called bell. Let's
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talk to Howard day, someone should talk to I actually
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know if somebody should talk to how someone someone check
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in on Howard now. But I think that's that is actually, uh,
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very interesting because I think again, you know, when Tim
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and I met, when you and I met, Paul, I
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had read all those books and Morotella and at all.
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But I think it's become just commonplace, even at the
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club level.
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And so I throw back to you guys.
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Has there been any besides the fact that it's become
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common has there been an all throw this at you, Paul,
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anything innovative or have you developed new technologies around this?
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Or is it just conversations and letting people who play
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this sport reveal their true feelings.
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That's sorry, So what's your question?
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Well, is there any innovation? Has something as innovatively? Has
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anything changed in ten years.
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The way I do things?
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are coming out, like with with all the different stuff
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that is available now in terms of biofeedback and that
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type of thing and how you know, how I document things.
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Technologies changed somewhat, it hasn't changed as much for me
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in my pre in the way I practice. I don't
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think technology is changed what I do that much because people.
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People need to.
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Have the technology themselves, and if they do use it,
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they use it sparingly. Then they toss it in the
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drawer and it doesn't get used m hm, because they
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kind of it's a gimmicky type of thing to many people.
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I think there's incredible valuable value to that sort of thing,
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but people just kind of give up on it pretty
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quickly because it doesn't give.
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Them a quick a quick fix. The biggest change that's.
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Happened for me is is you know, you and I Howard,
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we started on Skype back when that's right, people didn't
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even know what Skype was. And when Skype came out,
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that was a game changer for me in terms of
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accessibility to more people more more often. I would have
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to you know, phone calls were good, but this, this
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format is way better in terms of forming a relationship
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and communicating. I've got a ton of players I work
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with that I've never I've never met in person.
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Well, I want to tell the story because you and
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I start working together. You were the first, I should say,
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Tim and I started talking about this mental stuff together.
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But you were the first official performance coach they ever
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worked with. And we'd worked together for a couple of years,
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and I always tell the story about the first time
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I saw you in person and how much bigger you
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were in person. I was I was like, what the
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fuck is going on? What is going on? How are
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you this big? But I want to give Tim props.
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Tim was and listen, through the pandemic, everybody started zooming,
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but Tim, you were the first one that we ever
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did a zoom meeting together. You brought that technology to
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this show and it's so funny how commonplace it is now.
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the way you work with players now? Is there different
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conversations or is it similar?
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Well, in my own coaching, I'm trying to talk less
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and ask more questions. That's what I'm trying to do
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in many ways. But I would say so, I'm going
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to reflect back on a conversation I had with Oh
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goll It MARTZI Mike Martz And remember he told me
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about seeing Bob Rutella years and years ago give a
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talk and after the talk, he saunters up to Rotella
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and it just shakes his hand and stuff, and they
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just got chatting. And Marzie, who is not one to
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shy away from things, just said, uh, yeah, you've moved
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the bones from one graveyard to another.
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And Rotella was not too impressed.
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But what it meant was is that what Rotella was
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doing was taking into golf practices and awarenesses and in fact,
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I've been around thousands of years, you know, things like awareness,
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you know, mindfulness, connecting with the body, trying to find,
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if you will, the true self rather than all the
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thoughts that ping around in her in her ego. And
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so I think that a lot of what coach Paul
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has done, and it's a lot of the work I
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do and O. We've talked to Fred Shoemaker, Car Morris,
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all kinds of people. It's it's bringing something that's new
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to golfers, right, it's actually been around in many years.
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What do you think?
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Well, before Paul, I just wanted to jump in and say,
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you know, I can tell you. My answer would be,
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if I can answer my own question. And by the way,
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this whole thing where you talk less, I'm not interested
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in that anyway.
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That hell has no interest to me.
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The thing, I think, the one thing in all of
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these conversations what we've all had, you know, separately, in
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together for a decade, that you talked, you touched on it, Tim,
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I think ten years ago, conversations about meditation were not
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as common a place. Like I was at an event
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this week talking to some guys that are, you know,
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high level golfers, and a couple of them talked about,
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you know, doing your meditation every day, Like that's a
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conversation that I would have never thought we would all
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have when we all began this ten years ago. And
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would you not agree that that's become more commonplace in
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this I hate to use the word space that we're
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in Pali.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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When I started introducing people to meditation, when I started
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doing this, and I would say, have you ever meditated?
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The answer was always no. Now it's about thirty percent. Yeah,
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I've tried it.
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It's almost always I tried it, I couldn't do it,
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I hated it.
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I'm good at it.
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Well, Hey, Paul, do you remember you said, what you
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got me hooked up with those Muse headphones, the headband
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where you meditate and you you plug yourself into an
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app Yep.
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Yeah, that's and that's one of the feedback mechanisms that
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I've tried over the years.
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Yeah, and they work, they're really.
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Good, but people just don't stick with them, and it
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doesn't doesn't It didn't do what I had hoped it
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would do in terms of giving people a way to
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have continuity with their practices. But what I mean, so
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while Tim was talking, I was thinking, you know, what's
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really changed just the more I do this, the more
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I understand it. And that's just I think that's of
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any anybody's job, is you really get an understanding at
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a deeper level just by doing it every day. Sure,
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so for me, that's the biggest thing that's changed is
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just reps and the insight that comes from it. I've
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you know, I'm always learning, I'm always reading, watching videos
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and taking courses and stuff like that, and I've gotten
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to a point where it's all, you know, the thing
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Tim said earlier, it's like kind of the same thing
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in different language keeps appearing, but I keep looking and studying.
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But A lot of it is sometimes I see something
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I've seen before and it's like, oh, that's different than
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I thought it was.
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Another just my understanding.
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Of the changes.
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Another thing, I think that has become more of the
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conversations we've had in the last couple of years. And
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I'm going to reference our friend Ken Osborne scratch attitude,
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but the idea of gratitude being at the forefront of
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the golfing experience for the average amateur player. I think
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that is something we didn't touch on when we all began.
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I do believe we've had more conversations to me about that,
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about how to enjoy the experience and what is at
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the forefront of the golfing experience.
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And I always come back to this.
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The thing that Kent wrote in one of his books
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is something called the final round. If today was the
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last day that you were going to get to play,
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how would you want to show up for your final round?
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And that really made a difference to me, and I
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think those are some of the conversations around journaling and
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gratitude and meditation and mindfulness. I think those conversations we
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didn't have them at the beginning of this.
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Hey, Timmy, I.
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Would agree completely.
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And I think that's one of the values of being
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able to talk to somebody about your experience because it
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allows you to get perspective, and particularly around the topic
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of gratitude, it allows you to kind of zoom out.
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So the metaphor I used this, rather than having this
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very tight spotlight on how am I playing?
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Am I doing this right? Am I swinging the right way?
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Et cetera, when you zoom out, you go like, oh,
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I'm pretty fortunate to be able to play golf. I'm
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very lucky to have these friends or this family and
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to be in this environment and have that and when
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you what's interesting to me is the byproduct of that,
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of that gratitude and that perspective is that you generally
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play better because you don't have so much pressure on yourself.
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And Howard just f y, I'm gonna let rouger in here.
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Fine, but we listen to Paul.
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We didn't really we didn't want to, you know, take
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too much of your time, but just have you. We
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wanted to have you on because you were such a
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big part of how this began. And I admire you
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so much.
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Yes I do. I know we haven't caught up lately.
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But you know, it's interesting.
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I got to know Paul through a golf and for
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two or three for years we did a little bit
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of golf kind of talk him and not you and I,
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but a lot of our talk was around performance just
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in general. And you really helped me when I was
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doing a lot of work doing stand up and how Apple.
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That's why I said, it's interesting you started in business
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because the things you talk about, the neuro linguistic functions
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are applicable to everything other than not just golf.
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Yeah, I mean, human beings are the common denominator, whether
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it's golfing, business, stand up. I mean, whatever we're doing,
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the same functions are happening.
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So yeah, to Tim's point earlier, I wanted to throw
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something in.
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I always find it interesting when I ask people, you know,
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why do you want to play golf? Well, I think
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I want to put something in on this before we go.
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Why do you want to play golf? Well, like, why
632
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do you want to score?
633
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Well?
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Why do you want to do that? And it's like,
635
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I don't know, Maybe I want to impress my friends. Okay,
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why do you want to impress your friends? I'll just
637
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feel good and it's like we're trying to feel good
638
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by the means of something that we can't control the
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outcome of. That's what drives people craziness, that's right, and
640
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that's insanity because it's like, hey, wait a minute, I
641
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want to be happy, but I've set up these rules
642
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:19.960
in my head that I'll be happy when this thing
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that I don't control happens, and that drives that drives
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people nuts. So it's like, wait a minute. So you
645
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there's a phrase, a Buddhist phrase, that there is no
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way to happiness.
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Happiness is the way. But it's true. It's like, yeah,
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it's like you want to be happy, Well, why don't
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you just fucking be happy?
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Right?
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And that's why we're like, they don't understand that because
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it's like, no, I have to have something happen in
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order to be happy.
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But that's why.
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But that's why, that's why gratitude as as a gratitude
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in the forefront of your experience that kind of supersedes
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all the parameters and the guardrails of happiness. As you say,
658
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because a lot of people golf and and I thought
659
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a lot about this about myself. Why you know, I
660
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have you know, adhd or you know, OCD probably some
661
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version of something I have some alphabets, and so I
662
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want to control I earlier on wanted to control golf
663
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because I couldn't control all the things in my life.
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But because it's an uncontrollable activity, I was always set
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up to fail in terms of it being something that
666
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made me happy. But when you change the focus of it,
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and you and I talked about this lot, Paul, when
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you change the focus of what you're doing out there,
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you know, if you want to be a good player, process,
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et cetera. But gratitude and feeling good about the experience
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makes every round a better round, whether you score well
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or not.
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And I think that's a big that was a big
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one for me, doodles.
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So I just want to interject. So before we speaking
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of gratitude, thank you, Paus. I likely wouldn't do this
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unless it was for you. Years and years ago, we
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that through Sean Casey and we started to work together.
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You coached me, and I wrote about it and I
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learned so much. And yeah, Fred Shoemaker, Carl Morris, Paul Doolan,
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you're probably you know, in that top three of the
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most important mentors to me, and so I'm going to
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cry him.
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Yeah, listen, thanks for saying that.
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I've enjoyed it and.
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You were my first and I'll always remember that you
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were very gentle.
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Thanks Paulie, Hey doodles, we'll talk. We should catch up soon, man,
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I miss you. Thanks very much for doing this.
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We'll talk to one of our STDs who's dropping in here.
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But first, I am very excited to talk about par
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I was listening to.
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Carl Morris's podcast a couple of months ago and he
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had Brent Reeves on, who's a very high level senior
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golfer in Canada. And Brent was on there talking about
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his journey with his company par for Success.
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And I talked to Carl and I got.
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Got into their program and it's part of the Hum
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and Fred's show now. But if you're a golfer that
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wants to hit it farther, play pain free, and actually
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enjoy walking off the course at the end of the round,
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check out par four Success. If you go to It's
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They say they will get you swinging faster, moving better,
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and feeling stronger. And at some point we got to
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get Chris Finn, the guy that's been running their program
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former sponsor of the hubble In Fred Show. He's been
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a friend of mine for a long time. He's a
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very nice golfer and he's even a nicer man who
714
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I've actually I've been to his home and he's made
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me dinner.
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He's a very good cook as well. He is.
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Because always say to Rude Rare Oh, I love Indian food.
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I just don't know what what I'm supposed to order.
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So he said, screw ordering, come over here, I'll make
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it for you. Rudra Rishi Maharaj, were you well.
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Good morning gentlemen.
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When you know, when did you become aware that I
723
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had a golf podcast? Was he from listening to the
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Humbland Fred Show.
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Yeah, I've been listening right from the beginning.
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I was just going to say, you know, uh, you know,
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I'm calling in for my uh weekly or bi weekly therapy,
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golf therapy for Rusdelf. You know, three hundred shows that's
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00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:30.920
quite a lot. Congratulations. Who thought would have been cured
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by now?
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That's true, You think everyone would have figured it out
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by now?
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Maybe another three hundred to go.
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Yeah, Rugia, you've been uh yeah an STD right from
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the beginning. My gosh, yeah, what what have you? I
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don't know what brings you back to the show if
737
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.719
you've been listening to almost all these episodes.
738
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:57.480
Yeah, clearly, you know, other than the sponsors. You know,
739
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:00.760
I've pretty much sported all the sponsor is along the way.
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But you know, it's just, uh, as you learn one thing,
741
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you understand what you need to know next, right you
742
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.119
You know, I always say that the only person who
743
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thinks they know it all is somebody who doesn't know
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enough to know that they can't.
745
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:15.880
Right.
746
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You just learned, you just described America.
747
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.599
So so the more you learn, the more you understand
748
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what you need to learn to to keep moving forward.
749
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So and that's what I get out of it.
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00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:29.480
You know, with all the.
751
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Guests, uh, you know that you you've had on just
752
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:37.719
talking about different things, both physically, mentally and mentally. Right,
753
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:41.360
you know, when we've gone to Ireland and golf, especially
754
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:44.920
this year, when there's you know, thirty five kilometer in
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00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.079
our winds blowing across the fairway. You have to put
756
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:50.960
that in the back of your mind, let not let
757
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:55.000
it bother you, and understand that you know, everybody's playing
758
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:56.960
in the same conditions. If you if you have the
759
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:02.800
mental fortitude to play through that, then you've got a
760
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.440
little bit of an advantage on your playing compit well.
761
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I also think, you know, I mean, I'm hoping that
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00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:11.719
some of the conversations you've heard on the show and
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00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:13.920
others like you and from you know, again, you think
764
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about the Shoemakers and the Carl Morrises and the Ken
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Osbourne's and the Ed Coughlan's coffin I always screw up.
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His name is Coughlan, Right Collins Collins, Ed Collins, Raymond Pryor,
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by the way, Raymond Pryor returning to this program are
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00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:31.960
our three hundred and first episode will feature the return
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of doctor Raymond Pryor.
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A lot of people listening to his podcast.
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00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:34.880
Now.
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00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:37.480
All that's funny to Tim because I think about all
773
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:41.079
the guys that were guests on our show that have
774
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have their own podcast now, thinking of Carl and Ray
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00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:48.320
and a bunch of others. But I think rudre like
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00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:51.840
a lot of sort of you know, club golfers that
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hopefully you've learned to enjoy the like I would say,
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hopefully enjoyed the bad rounds as much as the good rounds,
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because it's it's all, it's all just a we're supposed
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to be enjoying this total experience.
781
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.000
Yeah, absolutely, you know, And I don't know how many
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times you've said it, several thousand. I would suspect by
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now that people, you know, when you make a bad,
784
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poor shot, a lot of people they say they start
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chastising themselves, yes, and that gets you in a bad
786
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mental state right there, right, you know, I make my
787
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.599
share of poor shots, and it's just it's like, oh,
788
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oh that was bad, and then move on and get
789
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ready for your next shot.
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Can't do anything about the last. Got to make sure
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you get the next one.
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Well.
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I played in a tournament this week, and in one
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of the rounds I played with a seventy one year
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old guy, very very good player, probably a two or
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three handicap, and I was sort of surprised at how
797
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grumpy he was, Like, you know, I like and I
798
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sort of and again I've just said this on many
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occasions that was.
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The worst I ever met.
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But so when I see it in other people, I
802
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know what they're going through, and you can always tell
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your for a grumpy day when literally the first hole
804
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they start chastising themselves and I'm like, wow, this is
805
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gonna be a long day, because you know, I would
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say for me, one of the other biggest things I
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learned was to manage expectations. I would say the decade
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experience in terms of learning what good shots are and
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are not, probably one of my a top five or
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six thing that I would take away from ten years
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of doing this is learning what to temper our expectations
812
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because we're all just shitty, even the even no we
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are even the best among us at the club level,
814
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We're just.
815
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Not that good.
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You know, I've been saying, I've been saying for a while,
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all scores are possible.
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We all know that all scores are possible.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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One of my friends who got angry regularly. You know,
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First of all, the one thing I told them, what
823
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time is Ye're not that good to be that angry, of.
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Course, And then another time is, uh, you know.
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You're doing this once a week if a pro And
826
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then tried to do your job once a week, they
827
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would fail too. They fail miserably too, So why would
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you have expectations of both?
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All right, Rudy, there's luck. As luck would have it.
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Rudy and I are playing today, looking forward to seeing
831
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:16.000
you in person in a couple hours. I invited you,
832
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I invited you to O'Connor. You couldn't make it.
833
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:21.679
Looking forward to it.
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Thanks today, Okay, Rudy, take care.
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I'll be leaving Chorley's just going to go make some
836
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toast and then I'll.
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Be on the way.
838
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Okay, I don't need to know all the details with thanks.
839
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Thank you.
840
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:34.079
Thanks.
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00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:36.800
Hey, tim Me, how is it your hip that's bugging you? Tim?
842
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Is your your hip was bugging you?
843
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:41.960
Or I thought your hip was bugging you?
844
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:42.599
No, I'm okay.
845
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:46.079
I've been doing some Cairo stuff and soft physiotherapist.
846
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.000
No, I'm on the mend. I mean when I played
847
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with you and Kent, what was that a week and
848
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:50.599
a half or so?
849
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:52.119
You played beautifully.
850
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:56.480
That was the first eighteen that I.
851
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Walked the entire thing.
852
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I can't remember if we did a show after I
853
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played with Bunker. Have we done one since I played
854
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with Bunker.
855
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.679
Oh, I can't remember. I think actually I think he
856
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might have been our last one.
857
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:13.199
Yeah, because you want to talk about go ahead.
858
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.400
No, but you played with him? Sorry, you played with him, right?
859
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:17.119
I did?
860
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No, I didn't.
861
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:19.519
I didn't play with him this week, but I played
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with him after the show he was on. I just
863
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.679
wanted and I just wanted to mention, like because Ruger said,
864
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you know, you know people that play once a week
865
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:29.039
or even a couple times a week, and what their
866
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:32.840
expectation should be. So I'm playing with Bunker, who is
867
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:36.599
the twenty eighth ranked senior golfer on the Earth. You
868
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:40.400
know it's pretty good. Yeah, he's pretty good. And and
869
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.880
we had a nice game together. We played cherry Hill
870
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:46.280
his golf course, and oh Lovely Grey golf course. He
871
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:50.239
shot seventy one and GSL shot seventy six. So there's
872
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:53.280
five shots between us. But it's not just the shots
873
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:56.440
that you know, this doesn't it's the score doesn't represent
874
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:59.119
what I'm about to say. I think I'm committed to
875
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.719
golf as much which just anyone I've ever met, But
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00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.199
this Dave Bunker guy, it's like that Kisser line. It's
877
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:09.039
no hobby for Dave Bunker. Here's an average week. You
878
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:10.920
want to if this is what because we've you know,
879
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:12.960
I've done this this bit on the show about you know,
880
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:17.079
everyone's interested in getting better, but not everyone's committed, because
881
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:19.480
committed looks different, and when you see it, you know it.
882
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:20.920
This is a Bunker week.
883
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:23.880
He plays golf, probably three or four rounds, depending on
884
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:26.159
if it's a tournament week or not. On the other
885
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:30.079
three days, he practices for three hours a day, one
886
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:33.199
hour of short game, one hour of putting, and these
887
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:36.119
are with drills and specific things he's working on, and
888
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:39.280
one hour of long game. That's nine hours a week
889
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:44.159
of very very dialed in practice and how it manifests
890
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:45.440
itself in the golf courses.
891
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:47.599
You know, he had one shot. We were sort of
892
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:48.280
close to each other.
893
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.719
I had seventy eight yards, He's got seventy five yards,
894
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:53.280
and we were talking about, you know, his system, and
895
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.199
I said, so what do you do here? He says,
896
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:57.519
why you have an I know that at seventy five
897
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:01.000
to eighty yards it's this club to this point, you know,
898
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:05.159
the clock system whatever he uses, and I don't have that.
899
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.039
I have an eighty yard shot and sort of by
900
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.320
feel I sort of know what that feels like. But
901
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.559
he's not leaving it to chance, Nope. And and so
902
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:16.719
that's why he's so good. And that's if so I
903
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:18.400
always say to you, if you want, if that's what
904
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:22.480
you want, if you're willing to do that, great, But
905
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:23.440
most people aren't.
906
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:28.000
So maybe the idea of tempering our expectations.
907
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.960
Yeah, I mean, I like what Ruger said. I mean,
908
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:34.719
it's kind of an old joke. If you will, like,
909
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.719
you're not you're not good enough to get mad. So
910
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:42.039
you're not committed enough to get mad. You're not I mean,
911
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.960
to have these expectations. It's it's out of whack.
912
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:46.400
And so one of the things I.
913
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:51.559
Loved about our chat with Bunker was the wisdom that
914
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.280
he was passing along about don't spend time on your
915
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:56.480
you know what you do, well, you've got to spend
916
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.159
time on what you don't. And so that's why tracking
917
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:04.320
your scores is so important. And but that takes commitment.
918
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:06.800
That takes like taking notes and stuff, or you put
919
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.639
something in your you know, in your phone, and you know,
920
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:11.599
some people just they just you know, they finish a
921
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:13.400
putt and they just want to chat about the Blue
922
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:16.519
Jays or whatever to the next t yep. But guys
923
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:20.440
like Bunker are like making a note, if it's written down,
924
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:24.280
they speak it into their phone and that takes effort,
925
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:27.519
and that takes dedication, and it's just like you know,
926
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:32.159
we all know people who have achieved at a high level,
927
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:36.400
and when you look deeply at what they do, it's
928
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:39.119
it's like you said, it's about commitment. It's what extra
929
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:42.199
things that they do that the average person just does
930
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:43.239
not do and the end.
931
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.719
But that doesn't mean that the average person doesn't want
932
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.519
to play well or is interested in doing well. But
933
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:51.400
I think one of the things that I probably pass
934
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:54.440
on the most. And I in my last round at
935
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:57.519
MS in Montreal this week, everyone for something. The Canadian
936
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.760
Senior Golf Association has an annual tournament and there's a
937
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:02.880
one day as a two man better ball and then
938
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.000
there's two day competition. On my last day competition, I
939
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:07.800
played with a really nice guy. He's like a ten
940
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:11.079
handicap from Ottawa and we sort of got into this
941
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.800
conversation about you know, what's a good shot, and I said,
942
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.039
you know, that's one of the biggest things I've learned. Again,
943
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:19.199
it was a decade thing but I've really taken it
944
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.519
to heart that we all need to know for our
945
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:25.199
handicap level, what is a good shot In the example,
946
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:28.199
I mean, we had that conversation with your D one
947
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:32.760
player about expectation management, and I always use the example
948
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.800
at twelve yards from the rough on the PGA Tour,
949
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:37.639
I always ask When I asked this guy, what do
950
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.239
you think their average proximity is? He says, I don't know,
951
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:43.199
two three feet. I said, no, dude, it's six feet.
952
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:46.199
It's just over six feet. So if you're a ten
953
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:48.840
handicap from Ottawa and you hit a pitch shot from
954
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:53.039
the rough to ten or twelve feet and we get grumpy, well,
955
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.440
you're just not being realistic. Yes, we all want to
956
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.960
hit it close and have a GIMMEI but what's realistic
957
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:02.679
from all those distances is one of the things that
958
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:04.599
and again I use this over and over, that will
959
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:09.599
keep your internal thermostat at neutral because that is the
960
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:11.880
goal for me. I don't know about you guys, but
961
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:13.960
I like to I want to be in a very
962
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:17.880
neutral kind of physical state, not just in tournament golf,
963
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.840
but in all golf, because then I leave the course energized,
964
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.760
not depleted and wanting to punch the inside of my windshield,
965
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:27.000
which I've done in the ten years that we've been
966
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:27.599
doing this show.
967
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.719
Ye oh, we've all done things that, yes, hey, that
968
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:32.280
proud of.
969
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:35.760
I just want to interject, just real quick, one of
970
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:40.159
the things that Paul Doolan was saying about people trying
971
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:45.960
to be validated by this external thing, by the score index,
972
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:49.559
but they can't control it. I know a lot of
973
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:52.639
people who are some pretty good players, but I don't
974
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:58.280
want to be around them because if it takes, it
975
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:01.280
doesn't take to be a grumpy person, yes, who gets
976
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.079
cantankerous and gets easily.
977
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:05.800
Upset by a bad shot. Who wants to be that person?
978
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:09.159
And that's not really I think what we're looking for
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a golf To me, golf is part of the whole.
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00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:16.840
It's cliche of the journey, the process of becoming. But
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if it's all wedded to this image you want to
982
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:23.360
make sure the world you project to the world and
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your own image of yourself, well you ain't going to
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00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:28.920
be happy pal, no matter even if you are a
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plus index.
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Very well said, and and I again I cop to
987
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:36.280
the fact that I don't think you know, I don't
988
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:37.960
think I was a very good person to play with.
989
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:39.599
And I've written down one of the things I.
990
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Learned from our friend Mike Bondi, who was also an
991
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.440
STD at some point, you know, play great or be
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00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:48.519
great to play with and on and I and one
993
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.840
of my best you know days as a golfer came
994
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:54.519
on a day where I didn't qualify for the Ontario
995
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:56.639
Senior Am a couple of years ago, and I got
996
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.360
a note from the guys I played with who said, hey, man,
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00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.400
I know you're disappointed, but what you were such a
998
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.760
great guy to play with, encouraging them over the last
999
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:08.920
couple holes because they both qualified and I couldn't have
1000
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:11.760
done that, you know, ten years ago when this thing started. Okay,
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00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:14.079
we've got a couple more listeners who wanted to say hello,
1002
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:15.159
thank you.
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00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:16.760
Golf Spiritual Leader.
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00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:18.960
Howard, and did I play this already?
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00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:19.880
Yeah?
1006
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:23.000
Okay, good, thank you. I'm sixty five.
1007
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:28.480
Thank you Golf Spiritual Leader Howard and the world's greatest
1008
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:32.119
golf and executive coach Tim Yeah. Man for the many
1009
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:36.400
mini podcasts from start to now, of all the many
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00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:39.760
laughter and lessons that you've shared with us, you are
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00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:42.800
an absolute joy and I just want you to keep
1012
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:47.800
it going. This is your Indianapolis STD and swing thoughts,
1013
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:50.199
Steve ot Hope Oaks.
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00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:52.559
Did you ever think when I said that for the
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00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:54.639
first time that at some point a woman was going
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00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:55.639
to go, yeah, I'm an SDD.
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I am.
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00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:00.400
I'm proud. Hey, we've had a couple other people I
1019
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.920
wanted to say, Hello. This is my buddy Grant from
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00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:05.079
New Brunswick.
1021
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:09.360
Hey, I just wanted to say congratulations on your three
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00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:13.760
hundred show. It's gram McDougal from Chris spam Systey, Brunswick
1023
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:18.480
play out of the Riverside Country Club in Rasse, and.
1024
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.599
I want to say a couple of things.
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Here.
1026
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:25.599
I'm sitting here at.
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00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:28.920
Age sixty and I feel like I'm just a much
1028
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:30.199
better golfer.
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00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:34.039
Than I was as a younger man. And how many
1030
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:36.320
sports can you say that about, right?
1031
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:39.639
I think about all the other sports I've played through
1032
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:42.199
the years, and there's been a number of them, and
1033
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:44.480
it's the body decays and your.
1034
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:46.280
Mind decays, as it's doing.
1035
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:48.960
On a regular basis, you just kind of feel like
1036
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:51.000
you just I have a hard time running across the
1037
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:55.440
street now, but I know for a fact that I'm
1038
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:58.000
a much better golfer now than I was five years ago,
1039
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:02.199
ten years ago, twenty years ago. And it's because I
1040
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:06.360
keep getting better at stuff that's important, how I think
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00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:08.400
about the game, how I prepare for the game.
1042
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:12.840
You know, I don't swing as fast as that you see,
1043
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:14.679
but I know that I play better and.
1044
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.239
It's at least partially attributable to what I've learned from
1045
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:20.679
listening to you guys on a weekend week out basis.
1046
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:22.119
I think it was four or five years ago.
1047
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.679
I came across your show while I was doing some
1048
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.079
research on Decade, and I saw that Scott Fawcett had
1049
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:27.760
been on your show.
1050
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:29.760
So I listened to the show and.
1051
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:31.840
That led to a number of things, including connecting with
1052
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:36.119
Howard when he was coaching Decade, and.
1053
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:37.440
That led to a very cool friendship.
1054
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:42.360
And yeah, I've never really looked back, but you know,
1055
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:45.599
to get back to why we're here, which is celebrating
1056
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:49.559
your three hundred show. Just keep up the great work, guys.
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00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:55.239
You're doing a lot of valuable things for golfers like
1058
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:56.880
me across the country, across the world.
1059
00:53:56.920 --> 00:53:57.199
Probably.
1060
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.559
I know you've got listeners all over the place, and
1061
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:04.320
it's funny, it's entertaining, and it's great content to get
1062
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:07.199
better at golf. So kudos to both you guys for
1063
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:10.440
sticking it out and delivering on a weekend week out basis.
1064
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:14.840
Well done. I love you guys. Thanks for another three
1065
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:18.000
hundred shows or more, keep them coming.
1066
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:22.320
It's Graham McDougall, one of my best buds and one
1067
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.000
of the guys we got to know through this show.
1068
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:27.320
He couldn't be here today because it's way early on
1069
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:28.000
the West Coast.
1070
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:29.599
Of course. It's the great dig zocal.
1071
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:33.960
Hey Howard and Tim, it's Dick's ocal calling in from BC.
1072
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:37.360
I just want to congratulate you both on your three
1073
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:42.360
hundredth podcast of swing thoughts. You two are great examples
1074
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:45.559
of having commitment performance as you need to in the
1075
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:48.320
game of golf. As you know, well done. I'm always
1076
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:50.480
listening to you guys and what you guys are saying
1077
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.079
and who you have on. Keep up the great work
1078
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:55.639
and I look forward to listening to your next three hundred.
1079
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:59.559
Well done guys. Talk to you soon, happy out of.
1080
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:09.599
The all right, Tim, there it is episode three hundred.
1081
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:12.320
A decade.
1082
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:16.960
It's gone by very quickly, and I just want to
1083
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:17.480
say thank you.
1084
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:18.960
I've really enjoyed it. I couldn't.
1085
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.960
I even thought, how many how long can we have
1086
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.079
the same conversation, But you know, we joke about it,
1087
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:27.559
but we have so many different conversations and go so
1088
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:30.880
many different places. And you were talking earlier in the show.
1089
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:34.639
I think it was this show about growing as a broadcaster.
1090
00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:39.559
But you've made me better. You've made me more comfortable
1091
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:46.639
sharing some of the shame full things that I've experienced
1092
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:50.599
on as a golfer trying and honestly, there's things I've
1093
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:52.159
talked about in the show I never would have talked
1094
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:54.440
about with somebody, And I would say that's a tribute
1095
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:56.480
to you and how comfortable you make me feel, and
1096
00:55:56.559 --> 00:56:00.639
how we all feel because of your or vibe. We
1097
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:03.880
all feel more comfortable sharing the vagaries of the game.
1098
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:06.159
And so I thank you very much and look forward
1099
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:09.639
to doing at least one more episode because yeah.
1100
00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:11.760
Exactly, it's three hundred. I know there's a bit of
1101
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:13.679
a theme there. People look for three hundred more.
1102
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:16.719
Whoa, but we'll see. Yeah.
1103
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:19.239
But you know you're right back at you.
1104
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:19.559
Man.
1105
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:24.679
I've just learned so much from you in just in
1106
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:28.559
terms of yeah, I mean so much more comfortable than
1107
00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:31.039
I was. I remember when we first started this thing,
1108
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:35.000
my foot would just eat hammer up and down. That's
1109
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:40.119
like a like a jackhammer, because I was just obviously
1110
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:43.800
I was pretty keyed up. And but I just feel
1111
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:46.760
so much more relaxed. And I hear you like it's
1112
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:51.360
like my voice is dropped like a pitch from when
1113
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.920
we did this show. And that's because of Again, like
1114
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:56.880
I said earlier, when you play with a good player,
1115
00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:00.639
you feed off that player's flow and coff evidence, and
1116
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:05.559
you know you've got that in spades, and you know,
1117
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:09.199
so I feel so grateful for for your friendship from
1118
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:12.239
what I've learned from you, and uh, I've learned a
1119
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.079
shit ton doing this show man from from you and
1120
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:18.480
from the guests, and uh what you know, talk about gratitude,
1121
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:21.000
but we've been able to because we do this thing
1122
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:25.199
together through our love of the game, uh, and how
1123
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:28.360
we've seen it affect not just our games, but our lives.
1124
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:31.440
I really think in many ways, my life is much
1125
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:35.039
richer for the people we've met, the conversations you and
1126
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:38.480
I have had, and just that.
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00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:40.599
Bond of friendship.
1128
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:43.960
Absolutely, you know, because some of the you know, we
1129
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:46.960
we have some pretty cool conversations on you know, when
1130
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:49.840
the microphones are on, but sometimes we get on the phone.
1131
00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:53.519
It's some pretty cool stuff that we both relate. And
1132
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:57.199
so yeah, I'm very grateful to have your friendship and
1133
00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:00.480
obviously to have this podcast, and uh yeah, very cool
1134
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:04.400
to hear that people who listen feel part of a
1135
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:07.480
community that is really it's cool to be part of
1136
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:08.760
something that's bigger than yourself.
1137
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:10.800
Absolutely, I'm gonna say it always makes me laugh because
1138
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:12.400
I'll say, you know, Tim and I will send a
1139
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:14.440
note back and forth like hell, you might say, hey,
1140
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:16.320
I got to be done by eleven or whatever, and
1141
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:18.880
variably we turn this, we stop recording and then talk
1142
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:22.239
for another twenty minutes. Listen, everyone, thank you so much
1143
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:25.320
for supporting us whatever. Tim just said, times a bunch
1144
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:27.920
for me as well. In the next couple of weeks,
1145
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:31.360
as I said, next week we're going to talk to
1146
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:35.719
who did I just mentioned Raymond Pryor will be the
1147
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:39.800
next victim, the next guest, and the coming weeks, we
1148
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:41.480
got a couple of guests lined up, but I forgot
1149
00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:43.840
all about this guy. I should have got him on today,
1150
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:46.880
but I wanted to have a full show with Chris DeMarco,
1151
00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:51.320
former PGA tour player is going to be here and
1152
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:53.199
we look forward to those conversations.
1153
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:54.840
Tim O'Connor O'Connor Golf dot Ca.
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00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:58.239
This program has been produced for ten years by the
1155
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:02.159
Humble and Fred Radio Network And thanks again to all
1156
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:06.079
our supporters, all the people that have listened, and most
1157
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:10.000
importantly you people have made this so much fun to do.
1158
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:13.800
And until next time, I'm golf Spiritual Leader for coach Tim.
1159
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:17.800
Thanks for listening. Take care, Oh Tisher, you know the
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00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:25.039
Please how about the homes there blowing that sound