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If there was a magic pill you could take to activate your poly bagel,
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state of safety and social engagement.
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Would you.
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I asked that question to my email list subscribers this week.
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And I also put that forward to my community.
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So I want to ask that here as well, and kind of explore that a little bit.
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My name is Justin sincerely.
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I'm a therapist, a coach, and the creator of the poly bagel trauma relief system.
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Welcome to stuck, not broken.
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where I teach you how to live with more calm.
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Confidence and connection without the psychobabble.
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In this episode, I just want to kind of explore that question with you.
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And I'm curious where you're at, at least for your own reflection.
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To answer that question and to kind of dig in a little bit as
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to what might be driving that.
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And then I kinda want to talk about next steps with you and
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what that might look like.
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Every day in my community, I have something called a daily growth hub where
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I pose a question or share the week's content and have some discussion points.
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But basically just every day, I want people to reflect on something.
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And this week.
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On Tuesday, I had shared an episode.
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With you with everybody.
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About vagal efficiency.
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On the same day that I shared that in my private community, I
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asked them a few questions that I want to bring to you here.
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Make sure you listen to the last episode, but the basic idea is
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that Bigelow efficiency measures the strength, how efficient.
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Your vagal break is, or your, your safety state.
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I asked my community.
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Would you like to have an objective measurement?
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I thought, gee, I thought it'd be kind of cool, but I'm the one who's
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running the community and I'm the one who is creating the courses.
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So I.
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I like the idea of having objective measure.
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Of whether or not these things are working for myself.
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I mean, just as an objective provider of.
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Or the creator of these things.
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But I got a few really cool responses.
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I wanted to share here with you or give you the basic idea.
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Kay said that she'd be the first one to have her Vegas efficiency measured.
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Maybe it's just curiosity, but she would love to have some metrics to work with.
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A said that she has trouble registering what she's feeling.
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So an external tool might be super helpful.
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But then she also kind of went on to say that she can see the downsides.
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That she's used other heart rate variability, which is different.
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But she's used other heart rate variability measures.
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And really got sucked into the measurement of it and didn't
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really see much change in it.
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So for her, the, the focus became more about the measurement.
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Yeah.
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I can see that being an issue.
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Another person from my community, Jay, she said that she'd rather
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rely on her, felt sensations, that her body's communicating to her.
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And then one more person F says yes and no.
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That the measurement could lead to feeling defeated.
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If they're not seeing change.
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Or maybe she would feel inspired and treating it like an experiment.
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And then she could do deliberate things and see what happened.
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Within the measurement of her vagal efficiency.
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So obviously there's no right or wrong answer here.
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For you, just kind of reflect on that.
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Would you like to have an objective measurement?
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So I was thinking about that a little bit more.
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And then this week on Wednesday, I sent out my weekly newsletter
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for my email subscribers.
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And I asked the question of if there was a way.
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To take a magic pill, maybe.
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Something that would activate your safety state.
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Would you take it?
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This would be different than a psychiatric medication.
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Psychiatric medications try to control behaviors or symptoms, but
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not state the state in and of itself.
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So just playing pretend- if we had a magic pill that would turn on your
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safety state, would you take it?
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And I don't know if maybe we'll change if we, if you had to take it every day.
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Maybe that would change if it was a cure all and you'll have to take a once.
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Maybe that would change how you think about this.
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But yeah, I mean, what would you take it?
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Or would you accept that no, this is a long process.
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This trauma recovery stuff.
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And you don't want to take the shortcut.
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You don't want to just activate it day after day through taking a magic pill.
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And if not, then you kind of are accepting that.
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Yeah.
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It's a long process.
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It takes practice.
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There is no hack that is going to get you there.
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And keep you there.
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Day in day out.
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That the only really course, I think the best course is to first off
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practice being in your safety state.
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And then as your bagel break, strengthens enough.
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Then work on getting unstuck and directly feeling into your stuck defensive state.
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But you might be someone that would reject the pill and also say, no,
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I don't want any measures either.
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I can feel this stuff.
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I can feel myself in my safety state.
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I can notice when I have access to it and practice doing that day in day out
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and dedicate myself to that practice and really embrace the journey aspect of this.
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I think if you take the pill, like you kind of lose the journey in a way.
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At the same time.
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And I've heard this from people who have used substances as a way
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to feel, you know, get relief.
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That when they use whatever that substance is it gives them like this
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reference point for safety it gives them this potentially this beautiful,
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wonderful experience that they can call upon or strive towards again.
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And maybe the pill would do that for you, maybe the pill, the the magic safety
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state pill, the ventral vagal magic pill- maybe that would give you a reference
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point for finally feeling safety.
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And that might be where you're at.
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You might just be desperate enough to say.
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I'll take the damn magic pill because I need to feel something
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different than what I'm feeling now.
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And I don't think there's anything wrong with.
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That.
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I mean, it's not a real anyways, but I don't think there's anything
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wrong with being desperate.
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Not necessarily.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting that reference point for safety.
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So you have something you can continually, subjectively measure at least.
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Like, if you notice safety feels like, then you can keep striving for it.
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Or at least you'll know when you don't have it.
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You'll know what.
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Truly feeling safe is like,
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So maybe you'd want a magic pill for that.
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At the same time.
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Yeah.
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It might dissuade you from your journey.
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If you go after that pill or if you seek out that objective measure of ventral
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bagel activation or bagel efficiency.
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I wonder if that would deter you.
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I don't know.
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I don't think it's this.
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No, there's no one right answer to that.
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I think the measurement stuff is, or the potential of it
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in the future is pretty cool.
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I'm interested in that.
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I like measurement.
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I like data stuff.
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But I think for me, what it ultimately comes down to, and for the people I
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work with is can you feel safety or not?
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Can you feel connected to the present moment?
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Do you feel grounded?
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Can you access your senses?
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And experience them.
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Can you look inwards and experience what's inside of you.
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Without fear.
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And if the answer is yes to all those or some of those, or even one of
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those, that's a pretty good indication that you're on the right path, even
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without a more objective measure or without a ventral vagal magic pill.
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Maybe, ultimately, this is just speculation and fun to think about.
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And maybe journal about if you'd like to.
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But I think that your answers to these questions might kind of indicate
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where you're at and what you need.
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Maybe you do need something more objective.
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Maybe if like, if your answer is yes to these, like, I want to know the
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measurement of my vehicle efficiency.
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Like, I can't give that to you, but, and you probably can't give that to yourself.
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But if you need more objectivity, In your you know, self development journey.
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Your trauma, recovery journey.
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Then maybe you could set that up for yourself.
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Maybe you could track how often you feel something like calmness.
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Or feeling connected to the present moment.
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Maybe you can create an Excel spreadsheet and give yourself that objectivity.
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Maybe you do need that.
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Maybe that makes it easier for you.
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Maybe you have that clear goal is helpful for you.
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In my courses, I do recommend in both Building Safety Anchors and Unstucking
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Defensive States, I do recommend that the participants create a very clear,
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achievable actionable, practical, measurable goal for themselves,
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something that is attainable and practical and actually doable.
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I think it's important to have that something to strive for.
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I don't think you need to be super objective about it and actually
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track on an Excel data sheet, but that might work for you.
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So if you, if the idea of objectivity intrigues you then maybe it's
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time to start setting yourself up with something like that.
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If the idea of a magic pill intrigues you, I don't blame you.
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But that might indicate you're just really desperate and ready for change.
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And I don't.
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Yeah.
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Again, I don't blame you, nothing wrong with that at all.
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I would encourage you though to embrace the journey aspect
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of this if you haven't already.
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As much as you can embrace that this is a long-term thing.
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Is a struggle.
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There is no hack.
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There is no shortcut.
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At least not that I know of.
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Validate that.
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Yeah.
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It's frustrating and validate that maybe you do feel desperation.
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Maybe you do feel like giving up.
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Maybe you're pissed off.
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So validate your feelings.
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And then can you also normalize your feelings?
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Like, can you normalize, why you feel the way you feel?
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Does it make sense that you have your feelings based on
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the context of your life?
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So validate them and normalize them.
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And then also you have to give them permission to be present.
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Give yourself permission to have those feelings.
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But at the same time, maybe also accept that this is a process.
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It is a journey.
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There are obstacles and there are successes as well.
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As of right now, there is no objective measure and I don't think there
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ever will be a magic pill for this.
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Or any kind of pill?
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I don't think.
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But I don't know who, who the heck knows?
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So, as of right now, these things don't exist, which means it really
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just comes down to you and you can be more objective about it.
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But it really does come down to you and feeling you know, your safety.
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And if you could feel safety, that means you can do it again.
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And then maybe you can build that into a practice.
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At least just like those micro moments of mindfulness every day.
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I really recommend that.
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I don't know that those are just kind of some thoughts that came to my mind
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with this topic this week and how I shared it in my community, but also my
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email subscribers, my email newsletter.
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And I thought I would share it here with you in an unscripted way.
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Just top of mind.
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My thoughts.
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If you are ready to really embrace the journey aspect of all this, then I do have
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courses for you and a private community.
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I call it the total access membership.
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Where you get access, you get total access to.
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My poly big old trauma relief system.
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And my small, wonderful community of really awesome individuals
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who are on their own journeys and collaborating and talking and
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sharing ideas within the community.
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We also meet up twice a month for open Q and a.
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That way, you never have to wonder if you understand something,
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you could always ask questions.
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I've also collected every piece of self-regulation knowledge that I
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have into the courses so that you can learn clearly and on your own
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time and practice when you can.
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If you're interested in the total access membership, I'll have a
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link for you in the description.
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Thank you for listening to this special Friday episode fellow stock.
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Now I do hope that this episode has been helpful for you as far as how you're
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thinking about this stuff and what you're wanting at this part in your journey.
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Maybe you do want a quick fix and you're not ready to really
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embrace the journey aspect of this.
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And that's okay.
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You're at you're at where you're at.
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Sadly, there is no magic pill for you.
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But you can set yourself up with some really objective measures.
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Maybe not they go efficiency measures, but you can set yourself up with some some,
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some more objectivity in your journey.
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Bye.
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Please consult with your therapist or seek for one in your area if you are
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