Stuff That Stuck

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Which of my photographs is my favorite? The one I'm going to take tomorrow.
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Music.
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Life is my subject matter.
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Hey welcome to the street
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shots photography podcast this is
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antonio and this is ward and this
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is episode 222 for the end of 222 for the end of 2024 the end of 2020 god all
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right there's a there was a you know there was a show on in uh called room 222 yeah Karen Valentine.
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Do you remember what it was about? Do you remember what it was about?
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It was either high school or first year. You know, Paper Chase was first year law. Paper Chase.
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But 222, I think, was high school. Was it high school? Yeah.
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Okay. Well, you know, I happen to, in order to keep with our,
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you know, standards of looking at area codes, there is no area code for 222.
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In fact, when I looked it up, it says 222, not in use, available for non-geographic assignment.
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But then I looked up further, and I found that 222 is part of what's called
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a one-ring scam, a phone scam.
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Because, well, right now, 222 is the area code for the West African nation of Mauritania.
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Oh, okay. That's a country code. And there are robocalls. Is it a country code?
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Yeah, it's a country code. And there are robocalls that originate from there.
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And what happens is there's a scam. This is public service announcement for everybody.
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If you get a call that starts with 222 and area code, it's coming from Mauritania.
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And what they're trying to do is they call late at night.
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The scam is they call late at night and they hang up when you answer the phone.
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And what they want to do is get you to call back.
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That's as far as I got into the reading of the scam. but the calling back is
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somehow the beginning of the scam.
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Okay. So the, but it's the one ring scam, two, two, two.
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So I don't think we'll be doing any scamming tonight, nor I don't know,
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have any information about Mauritania personally.
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So we'll just, but if you're listening in Mauritania, hi. Hi.
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You know welcome welcome to the show you know join you know join the club got
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cameras and stuff like that right we we're all inclusive everybody every country
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can come and join us right okay
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it's all good we we yeah we like to have listeners from all over the world,
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yeah we should be a ham radio station too we
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could uh broadcast can we still
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do that is there still people who listen to ham radio i guess there
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has to be yeah yeah yeah all right
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so how was your you know we're recording this after
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christmas so you know just a couple days so we
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yeah nice to the quiet family get together my daughter's daughter came from
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japan and four of us sat around and did the you know the christmas cracker thing
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with the whatever and i got a christmas cracker christmas cracker you're talking
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about the thing that little Oh, the thing that you pull apart and it explodes.
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Yeah, a popper thing, yeah.
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I got a compass. It looked nice. It doesn't really work. A compass? A compass, yeah.
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You mean like that points to the north kind of thing? Well, it sort of points north.
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Somewhere between straight east and straight west. Northerly.
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It gets you there eventually. And my son, who's big into cards and fantasy games
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and all that kind of stuff, he got a tiny deck of cards.
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Tiny deck of cards. They're tiny and all those little- Those little teeny ones
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are like an inch? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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How do you shuffle those? You can't. You can't bend them. He was complaining.
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He was trying to come up with strategies on how to shuffle it.
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No, you just throw them on the ground and then you pick them up again,
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is what I think. So you can play with little tiny-
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little chips like if you play poker it's like
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little tiny chips and on a little teeny green
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table it's a little tablets
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or something like a little tablets yeah yeah yeah you
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get little drinks like little little coasters and
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little drinks i'm just imagining i'm sorry i'm playing this out
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to its logical logical yeah exactly
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yeah right into yes we're right into oblivion on that one that's yeah okay well
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it's all good what about you how's your holiday uh i my holiday is great i have
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my my girlfriend has visited me again she's and spent christmas here and we.
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Exchanged gifts and what did i get i cannot remember no she gave me a braska
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swag i think you sent us a picture i did i'm wearing i'm oh i did get some nebraska
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swag i've got But I think this hat,
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which looks like a Netflix hat.
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So when someone asked us, what is that? I was like, it's Netflix or the Cornhuskers
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hat. It's got a black hat with a big red N on it.
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I did get a t-shirt.
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She gave me a big thing of pasta that's got six different really interesting pastas in it.
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So like a big hexagonal box that's got like six pounds of pasta.
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And the idea is that she's got one too. And so that we're going to like,
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try to create when she gets back and we'll create a recipe and then we'll each
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use that one bag and we'll try to do the same recipe.
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And what else did I get? I got something, I got a couple, I can't even believe
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it. It's all in the other room. So I can't remember all of the stuff.
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You got a water bottle or a water thing that had the.
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Had some nebraska stuff on it i'm trying to think i don't know but that i don't
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think i got the water bottle okay maybe it was maybe those were stickers anyway
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and of course i gave her i gave her pens and ink okay because because because
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i'm so predictable because i'm into the way to go.
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Yeah and um you know and i figured because
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she likes fountain pens and ink and stuff like that and i
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oh i know i got a i got each of us a coloring book
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but it was like a really fancy coloring book for
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for fountain pen inks and we figured
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we'd color them together it's very kind of you know nice stuff
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to do when we're at a distance so and
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we watched a couple we watched die hard because die hard is
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a christmas movie yeah you know and hans gruber
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falls off the you know once he once he
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hits the pavement then you know that's the
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what the beginning of something it's the official start
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of christmas or so alan rickman
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oh did i just spoil it did it yes did i just
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spoil it for anybody who hasn't watched diehard i heard that was his first film
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but that was alan rickman's first movie i don't know yeah i don't know he was
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so good in that when that movie came out it came out in 1988 it was the first
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of its kind like you know there was never a film like that before where this,
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you know, lone guy is like,
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you know, in the middle of a crazy situation.
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And then now like, you know, it's, you know, it's a genre of films,
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which I remember what the next one was, something with Steven Seagal or something
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like that when he's on a battleship or something. Anyway, sorry,
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we're going off. I'm going off on this.
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But what we did tonight before we are recording, we actually went into the city
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to go look at the Rockefeller Center tree.
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New York City at this time of year is the most insane place you can be.
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It is just, I can't believe the island isn't sinking because of the extra weight
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of all the people that are living.
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You go to these places and it's just packed. I mean, we knew it was going to
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be packed, but we went there and managed to squeeze a few pictures and it was just insanely crazy.
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And we ended up coming back to Brooklyn to this place called Junior's,
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which is Junior's Cheesecake and stuff like that.
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And we got, that's what we're having for dinner is not, we're not having cheesecake.
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That's why the dessert. Dessert for dinner. Okay. Yeah. You're having dessert.
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But then we went to this area. if you're in this area in Brooklyn called Diker
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Heights and if you ever come to New York this is for everybody it was one of
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those it's not so unknown but I think because it's a little bit out of the way
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it's a little harder for people to get to but it's well worth it because this
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whole neighborhood down in southern Brooklyn.
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Like it's like they all cooperate and they all cover their houses in the most insane,
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Christmas lights that you ever saw even like Scrooge
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if you went there you would fall in love with christmas there's like no way
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you can't like it's just insane the way people do their houses up so we just
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came back in from there and it was it was as brilliant and exciting as you can
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imagine and and she was very excited i haven't been there in a few years so it was really.
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Exciting to see again and and it's not as crowded i
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mean it is crowded but it's not as crowded as going into the city but it
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offers a lot of really nice you know christmas light
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photographs and people's selfies in front of things it's it's
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a nice cheery thing and i think the people in the neighborhood do it not because
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they're they're not out to sell anything because it's really
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just a residential neighborhood so there's nobody there's no
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stores or anything like that i think they really just do it a to show off but
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it becomes this just this thing this destination now so
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if you ever come into new york you know i think
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after thanksgiving is when they set the lights up you know go check out duiker
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heist in brooklyn it's well worth the trek for you
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to get there and you know and and look
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at what people do so i don't think i'll maybe
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i'll post some pictures in the show notes i'll try to remember to do that i've not
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been so good with the show notes lately forgive me everybody so cool
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yeah but so you
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know here's our last show of 2024 we actually managed to do what we do two episodes
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a month right so we did 24 episodes yeah yeah i kind of wonder if we should
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do this as a season like should it should we start making seasons i don't know
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how you do that Because if we have a season, that means we'd have to have a break.
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So we're going to go right into this in January. You don't necessarily have
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to have a break or you can just call it a season. That's true. Yeah.
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No. Well, we're about to go into 2024. But the first thing I want to acknowledge
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is that one of our listeners, Dan Sudberg, bought us a coffee.
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And yay. Yeah. Thanks, Dan. He's our...
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I can't, I can't talk anymore. He's the honorary, honorary producer for the show today.
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He wrote a nice note. He said, appreciate the podcast, casual,
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comfortable, informative, interesting, and entertaining.
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So I have, I'm sorry, Dan, I haven't replied to you yet. It's been,
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you know, the holiday season, but I'm replying to you now.
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I'll get to you, but thank you so much for buying us a coffee.
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I really appreciate it. That's great.
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I like the kind of positive feedback. You'd be surprised how,
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what an impact it has on us when we get, when we get feedback from folks.
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Cause you know, we do our recordings and we send them out on the,
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onto the internet and it's nice to actually have real human feedback to what we're doing.
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So yeah, it's great.
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And you know, I've come across a lot of people, some people have been taking
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my classes and I said, I listen to your podcast.
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I heard your voice sounds familiar. Like, you know, people like accidentally
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listen to us like that. And so I, I still hear a lot of folks,
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you know, unofficially saying how much they like what we're doing here.
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So, you know, I don't know how we can improve it other than like,
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yes, we went through this whole year, I think, without interviewing anybody.
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Is that true? It's possible.
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I don't know. So forgive me for that. Yeah.
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I don't know. Well, let's say we did. And yeah, I know.
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I know. I know there's a lot of people who have, you know, I've asked and they
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said, yeah, sure. No, we talked to Gino this year.
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I don't know if we did. We didn't talk to, oh, what's his name?
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Why am I spacing out on his name?
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Oh, we had Jeffrey on. Yeah. Excuse me. I'm sorry, Jeffrey. Yeah,
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we forgot. Yeah, it was this year.
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And from the UK, what's his name? Sean.
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Sean Tucker, yes. Was that this year? That was really this year,
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wasn't it? I think. No, or was it last year? It was last year.
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Because you went to see him this year. I went to see him this year, yeah.
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Yeah, and he remembered us, and so that was good.
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But yeah, if anything, if things begin to settle down, maybe for me next year,
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because if anybody hasn't produced a podcast or anything like that, it is a lot of work.
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You know and even even just we're doing this sort
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of casually and stuff like that and it still ends up being a lot of i mean
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i wouldn't say a lot of work but you know if we're arranging
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to have someone in the show you're three three hours
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two hours you're two hours behind me i'm here and you know if we go to especially
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for someone in like the uk or something like that we we generally have to do
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on a like early morning and stuff like that and you're working stiff you're
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a working guy so Your days are different these days. So anyway, let's see what we can do.
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Maybe we can find some more people. I would like to talk to people because I
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find myself getting inspired by, you know, anybody, everybody we've talked to,
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I've gotten inspired by.
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So it was really great. We've got a list. We should dive back into it.
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Yeah. So no definitive promises. I'm not making any resolutions because those
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are the kind of things that they fail all the time. But I would like to,
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let's see what we can do this year as stuff goes on.
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But I thought maybe we could like sort of go over this year a little bit,
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like a little bit of a review and like, I don't know.
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You said like, we said stuff that stuck with us this year. Yeah. Yeah.
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I'm not sure how to, how, where to start. I'm thinking back by all of our episodes.
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I was going by the names of the episodes, trying to remember what we did.
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But I was, I don't know, anything initially pop in your head?
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I've been talking too long, so.
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Yeah, I think I discovered more of a documentary, like in terms of my work,
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getting more comfortable with having a more documentary and not so much of a gotcha kind of style.
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Which is good. I think it's a maturing that's going on. Where I felt that the
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most was that stampede that I go to every year, I was actually in the party
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tent stopping people and asking them if I could take their picture.
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Which I'd never done before in the 40 plus years I've been going there.
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Where do you think that came from?
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I mean, why this year? What was the... That's a good question.
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Was it anything that was it anything well first
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of all i mean not to like say it has anything to do with the show but
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was there anything that we talked about that sort of like even
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we've been doing the show for together for at least
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a few years now more than a few years but uh was there
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anything that sort of accumulated in like our discussions that
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brought that out if our discussions and
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also the year before i had done taking those pictures
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of the my women friends right and my mother right and
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so there was a oh can i and a
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kind of a formal thing like can i come and take your picture
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and i think maybe that just resonated with
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me through the year and then this year i'm well i
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have an opportunity a lot of these people i know why don't i
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just ask them or our families
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know each other or something yeah and and
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i treated the the the dance more like
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a combination of documentary and portraiture and
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it was good really yeah and i felt really good about the
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images i got out of that there's that
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oh well that's good you want to do a back and
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forth kind of thing you you're next just tag you're it yes yeah i guess we could
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just sort of jump around because the you know i don't have i don't have that
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version of it although like i want to i want to bookmark what you're talking
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about because that idea of, you know.
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I get a lot of students who come up to me in my street photography class and
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ask me, how do you deal with like going up to somebody and talking to her or
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photographing them on the street?
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And I said, well, you know, I solved that because I'm photographing candidly, so I don't do that.
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That occasion where i would want to approach somebody or or you know pull them
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out of their their routine or whatever they're doing and and talk to them so
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that like i want to bookmark that is a thing to follow up on the one thing that
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popped in my mind when i thought about doing this.
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Sort of going back was how much first
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of all that i had learned about the photographer trent park
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i had not known about him this year prior to
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this year and you know we did our
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little show you know walk in the park and that actually has had
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i think the most amount of listens to in in
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this whole year when i looked at the stats so i was
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interested about that like why why were
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why were so many more people downloading that episode and
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i'm not sure i i have no way we have no way to figure this stuff
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out right there's there's no stats there's no
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there's no feedback that we're getting please send us
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feedback we're really curious about it but i'm
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really you know i was wondering about that but for my personal part
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of that was i mean maybe i had heard about
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him prior maybe you and i like you mentioned his book
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to me or something like that but it didn't quite yeah i've had minutes
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to midnight since since 2018 i've
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had that book or whenever it came out i had it for quite a while yeah
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but i wouldn't i wouldn't have known like again i'm sure
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we've talked about it but for some reason it was this.
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Year when i purchased the book monument from him from that
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from the new thing and i can't remember how how i
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found out about that whether it was you told me or something
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when i bought that when i bought that book and
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if we go back to that episode but i'm not going to play it but you know
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i i remember my the tactile experience i
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was having when i was looking through that book and the the whole the whole
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sort of story that he's telling with this thing and and then all of a sudden
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like you know you know his name is popping up on my youtube playlist and stuff
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like that and so i'm watching videos about him and and.
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I end up buying, you know, a mint copy of minutes to midnight for a lot of money,
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by the way, you know, it was too late, but you know, no, I don't regret it.
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I don't regret it at all because, you know, there's something,
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I don't think I've picked up on a photographer so fast or maybe any artist.
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That's not true. Maybe there's a few artists picked on, on someone so quickly,
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especially being looking through when I looked through monument for the first time.
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And this experience that I've never had when I
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looked through a book before and to go
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from that to you know spending the
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most amount of money I've ever spent on a photo book because I've
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like I would say I've fallen in love with the guy but this work really speaks
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to me in some level that I don't quite still have words for yeah maybe I want
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it maybe I want to like revisit him sometime and we did try we did have an offer
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from somebody to try to you know set up an interview with him And I think fingers crossed that I,
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but he, I've forgotten his name,
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but he's friends or knows Norell Trent's wife.
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Who's whose editor helps with creating the books.
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So, yeah. So, you know, if anybody's listening to this show and happens to have
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a, you know, you know, an in, an in with Trent Park, let us know.
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I'm, I know we didn't, I think it's very cool.
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Sorry to take, you know, derail the conversation, but, yeah,
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I really am interested in your reaction because you have a very strong reaction to his work.
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And it's very unusual. So it's kind of otherworldly, literally and figuratively,
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especially with Monument.
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But there's something about it in Minutes to Midnight, too, where the whole
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is greater than the sum of the parts.
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There's just some aura about it, about his books especially,
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that is unusual and unique, authentic, special. That's all of those things.
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I mean, you know, not to judge a book by its title, but the titles of his books
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so far, but really like sent me into,
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into this, like, you know, minutes to midnight is such that just a title evokes
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something. And I don't know why.
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And monuments is such a simple, you know, it's a simple title for that.
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And I also got like some effect by it.
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I don't know. So it's the whole package too. You know.
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We talked about this a bazillion times, but, you know, if you can,
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this, this idea of the photo book and how it can be itself, this work of art,
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like the, you know, photography doesn't have to be only seen on a screen or
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printed and hung on a wall.
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Like the book is such is probably it may
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be one of the better ways to view photography
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i mean i don't know if we ever discussed that in
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terms of like what is you know what would
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be the best way to experience a photo like a photographer's work
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i mean well is it in a gallery you know to
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consume photography easily yeah yeah yeah
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yeah it's very personal experience because it's really
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just you and the photographer speaking to each other the
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photographer speaking to you by looking through the book and also it's a
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thing you like to carry like you have a favorite book you know i have a favorite
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photo books you know it changes yeah every month you know what my favorite photo
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book is but it's a thing you get to carry around you have beside you and yeah
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you know it's it's it's an object so yeah and also you're the caretaker of it
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i mean i again i believe that.
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Whatever books i have are going to outlast me because at some point you know
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they one hopes that they won't end up in the trash, but somehow they will continue
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on because we don't throw books away.
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Anyway, that's my one thing. I'll throw it back to you.
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Let's see. In terms of work, going back to work, because it's really all I think
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about, I'm either thinking about work or, by work I mean photographic output or planning.
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So we'll get to planning next. But the work part is these little discovery with my phone in my hometown.
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I did those black and white images of what I called the thing itself,
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you know, the car and the shed, back of the high school and all that kind of stuff.
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This whole kind of very formal, simple compositions that.
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Give me it's sort of the way i would want to like now anyway the way i would want to,
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photograph my hometown like sort of from now on just
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details like there's enough in the image for you to look it over it's not like
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oh it's just a thing and that's it sort of like if you if you want to look into
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the image more you see more detail and you're actually discovering things about that small town.
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And I found it really satisfying. And that just went on a lark.
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I was visiting my mother for some other reason. They helped clean up her house or whatever.
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And I just went out in the warm weather and in the time where you would usually
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walk the dog, but the dog is not, you know, I'm not out with the dog,
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so I'll get to exercise some other way.
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And it was really, it was good and fun and satisfying.
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So that was that was that's about it for that one
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i think so it just made me feel good okay so i
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throw it back to you my friend what what's another thing i think well i what's
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another thing well i do want to you know bring in the elephant in the room about
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ai and i wasn't sure if it was this year was it last year we talked about like
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oh next year is gonna be this and then and then And it turned out to be even more that,
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you know? And this year.
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The thing that sparked this sort of memory or wanting to go back was I just
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got an email from Magnum, the photo agency Magnum.
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And it struck a tone that I want to sort of discuss a little bit.
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But let me just go into AI for a second. I mean, it's almost like the battle
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lines are drawing and the battle lines are shifting.
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And it's funny to call them battle lines. You know, there are people that we
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know, you and I know, who are fighting this, this, you know,
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this influx of AI imagery.
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And the more I look at it, you know, and this year, the more I look at it,
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the more I'm convinced that, you know, photography as a, as a career is,
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is, is being whittled away very fast, I think, as well.
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You know even i i in
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one of my photo journals i had printed some pictures
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that might have been not been mid-journey i
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think it was i think it was chat jbt
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made these images of
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rooms that are like empty rooms and i had like fed
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in some images from you know
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the the painter that i've sort of fallen in love
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with the vilheim hammershoy and and
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said create you know create a photorealistic image
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of this and it came out and it was i was of course
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i'm impressed i mean you know that's almost without you
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know saying is that these images that are being spit out by some of these models
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are just perhaps indistinguishable especially if they're like they don't have
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people but even the ones with people are getting so much better but i actually
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printed out like six of these AI pictures and I put them in my photo journal
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and I said, I had to write about them.
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I just, it was, I don't remember what I wrote about it, but it was at the point that I, I.
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Something I had to say something about it. Anyway, we're at the point now in December of 2024 where,
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you know, I don't know how many different places or things on the internet are
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able to make photorealistic imagery with AI and the hands are getting better
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and all this other nonsense.
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But the thing that caught me about this Magnum email that I just got literally
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this morning or I think it was this morning or yesterday was they used a word.
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It i'm gonna i'm gonna read i'm gonna read a little
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bit of it if if you guys guys can indulge me
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for a second here so it was
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it came in this morning i said on november 14th 2024
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magnum the magnum board of photographers issued the
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following statement concerning artificial intelligence
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and its position on synthetic images in
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the cooperative's 77 year old archive so
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i won't go into the whole thing i really just wanted to read that first paragraph it
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just talks about what they're with you know they've joined
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as a cooperative they joined a group of individuals called writing with light
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and so i just won't read the whole thing but that word synthetic is what what
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sort of triggered me in something because that was the first time i saw that
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word in regards to ai imagery.
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And what i ended up thinking about what synthetic could mean in their context
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when they were when they were writing about it was that it carried less of an
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emotional charge than the word fake. It was a very neutral word.
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Whereas fake sort of implies that you're lying in dishonesty.
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But synthetic is really just like,
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it's, it's almost a factual word. This, this image is synthetic,
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but it's, they're also kind of hedging their bets about like not trying to trigger.
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Yeah. Trigger anybody who, where,
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where AI imagery is, is being used in a responsible, useful way. Right.
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So they're sort of leaving the door open for that. They are saying that they're
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not going to accept like in synthetic images in their archive, because it makes sense.
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Magnum is a photojournalistic agency and that ai imagery just goes against that
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and of course but they are kind of like saying you know they're not dismissing
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the the concept that ai imagery is here and it's going to be doing things so
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i thought that was just a very interesting.
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It was that word synthetic that just triggered that off
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and i i because you
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know we're all sort of using we're now using well if
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you've been using photoshop for the past i i don't know how many years they've
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been using ai for most of the retouching tools
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right and they weren't calling it that i mean they weren't calling a gender
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of ai or something like that but like you know content aware
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remove is artificial intelligence sort of
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built in there so you know that is
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in and that's responsible usage right you know
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i think because well the three rules that they came
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up with i think there's a very succinct and i
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think you want to read them or i can read them the rules
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they came up with so they're saying here in the statement
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of principles writing with light covers three crucial rules
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and this is what magnum is aligning themselves who
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they're aligning themselves but number one as
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recordings of visible journalistic photographs they must
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be fair and accurate representations of what the photographer witnessed
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fair enough number two neither
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alterations to a photograph that mislead the
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public nor staging events while depicting them as
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spontaneous are acceptable in journalism that's a tenet that's always been there
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right nor should one publish a photorealistic synthetic image made by artificial
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intelligence and pretend it's an actual photograph i mean i don't think you
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could cover that in any fewer words i think that was perfect wording.
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And then to go to your Photoshop point, number three is any deviations from
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these basic principles must be explained in a caption credit or appropriate icon.
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You know, a little thing that says the M on it says modified or whatever.
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Right, right. So I think, and I think these are great succinct rules for what
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can be, what should go into the archive.
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Right. And it makes perfect sense. I mean, they're, you know,
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we're going to be, they're going to be coexisting with, with,
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we're all going to coexist with artificial intelligence imagery and video and
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whatever else is coming down the pipe.
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And it'll be really interesting to see where we're at next year at this time
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when we're sitting in these chairs.
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Me saying, what's the, what's the summary of this year? Artificial intelligence.
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I mean, you know, I'm thinking that it's reached a certain point in its,
00:31:28.223 --> 00:31:32.083
you know, in its evolution. I mean, I think it's probably leveling off because
00:31:32.083 --> 00:31:35.403
again, with some certain, I mean, the next thing is video, but with certain
00:31:35.403 --> 00:31:36.683
imagery, you just can't tell.
00:31:37.083 --> 00:31:40.563
I know there's issues with hands and stuff like that, but I've seen some stuff
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where there's issues, but there's no issues with hands.
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And you just look at the picture and you're like, okay, that looks like, there you go.
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There, there goes the modeling business. There goes the catering business.
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There goes the, you know, some part of photography business.
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It all gets eaten away slightly. And I don't know where that's going to leave
00:31:59.803 --> 00:32:02.903
us a year from now or where it's going to leave other photographers.
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I mean, you and I will still be doing our street photography and stuff.
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And I would say we fall under as street photographers, if we want to categorize
00:32:12.403 --> 00:32:18.723
ourselves as that, we sort of fall into the sort of journalistic documentary kind of thing, you know,
00:32:18.823 --> 00:32:22.303
where we're sort of recording what's reality and stuff like that.
00:32:22.583 --> 00:32:27.603
It'll be really interesting to follow with this. But I, but I'm not sure I have
00:32:27.603 --> 00:32:30.203
the concerns anymore because just like anything I get really,
00:32:30.363 --> 00:32:33.563
you know, you can only hold those emotions so much in your life.
00:32:33.723 --> 00:32:37.843
Like how much more can I get concerned about AI imagery? It's here,
00:32:38.003 --> 00:32:39.483
the genie's out of the bottle.
00:32:40.318 --> 00:32:44.498
And, you know, I want to say it's time to move on, but all I can do now is focus
00:32:44.498 --> 00:32:46.178
on the kind of photography I want to do.
00:32:46.298 --> 00:32:50.078
And yeah, I've been using the generative remove tools.
00:32:50.238 --> 00:32:53.538
I've tried, I've tried those generative, you know, here we go. Sirens.
00:32:54.118 --> 00:32:59.138
I've tried those, like the ones where you add stuff, the generative addition stuff.
00:32:59.258 --> 00:33:04.058
And, you know, I played with it and it's like, okay, that's fun for like for 18 seconds.
00:33:04.878 --> 00:33:07.398
You know, I don't know what I'm going to do with it. But certainly,
00:33:07.618 --> 00:33:14.678
like, removing that telephone wire from the sky, you know, seems to do no harm or whatever.
00:33:14.798 --> 00:33:20.518
But I don't know. I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but I do want to acknowledge that AI is there.
00:33:20.598 --> 00:33:23.058
And now it's starting to leak into the cameras, especially with,
00:33:23.138 --> 00:33:25.858
you know, I mean, this is in Sony cameras.
00:33:25.898 --> 00:33:29.038
Any camera that now has the ability to focus on subjects, right?
00:33:29.158 --> 00:33:34.258
You know, planes, trains, cars, helmets, that's all using AI.
00:33:34.258 --> 00:33:37.138
And there's, you know, actually, I'm curious about that.
00:33:37.658 --> 00:33:42.698
I don't know if this is an issue, but like our, well, a place like Magnum or
00:33:42.698 --> 00:33:47.638
any of these agencies start to question about the artificial intelligence that's
00:33:47.638 --> 00:33:52.318
built to cameras where, I mean, I'm not,
00:33:52.498 --> 00:33:56.578
is this something you think where, you know, cameras are now doing the thinking
00:33:56.578 --> 00:33:59.458
for you in terms of like, okay, well, they're going to focus on this person
00:33:59.458 --> 00:34:00.538
or they're going to focus on that.
00:34:00.538 --> 00:34:05.938
Or i mean i'm maybe i'm maybe that's a making a mountain out of a molehill or
00:34:05.938 --> 00:34:10.278
something like that i don't know is it the canon system that or is it the nikon
00:34:10.278 --> 00:34:12.058
system where you give it a catalog.
00:34:12.918 --> 00:34:15.578
Of the heads of the athletes that you're going to
00:34:15.578 --> 00:34:18.378
photograph and it recognizes oh i don't know that oh yeah
00:34:18.378 --> 00:34:21.158
oh i've forgotten what system that is but you can put
00:34:21.158 --> 00:34:24.218
up to six that sounds like a cannon thing actually
00:34:24.218 --> 00:34:27.918
okay so i think yeah oh so okay
00:34:27.918 --> 00:34:30.778
this is all news to me and you can have it
00:34:30.778 --> 00:34:34.158
follow is it basketball volleyball
00:34:34.158 --> 00:34:40.078
and i've forgotten the third sport soccer so they're all related games where
00:34:40.078 --> 00:34:45.178
the camera will track the where the ball goes and it goes to another athlete
00:34:45.178 --> 00:34:50.518
and then it does the the human recognition on that and it focuses on that athlete
00:34:50.518 --> 00:34:52.698
that happens that gets the ball. Wow.
00:34:53.298 --> 00:34:55.358
And they found it did work pretty well.
00:34:56.964 --> 00:35:00.504
Jordan from the from petapixel they
00:35:00.504 --> 00:35:04.604
did a test at a basketball game okay it
00:35:04.604 --> 00:35:07.824
seemed to work they're kind of gently amazed
00:35:07.824 --> 00:35:10.844
by it it seemed to work well
00:35:10.844 --> 00:35:13.604
you know i imagine this time next year i
00:35:13.604 --> 00:35:16.644
mean as is they start to incorporate some
00:35:16.644 --> 00:35:20.084
of this stuff that are in smartphones into cameras
00:35:20.084 --> 00:35:23.464
i mean smartphones have the advantage because they're just essentially computers so
00:35:23.464 --> 00:35:26.924
they have a more processing power than a camera but
00:35:26.924 --> 00:35:29.864
i imagine that that that crossover will start to happen sooner
00:35:29.864 --> 00:35:33.144
or later as we'll start getting more stuff packed into a camera so hearing
00:35:33.144 --> 00:35:36.004
i don't know why i don't know about this about the the um
00:35:36.004 --> 00:35:39.084
the athletes that you can feed in images into your
00:35:39.084 --> 00:35:41.924
into your camera but i wonder
00:35:41.924 --> 00:35:45.204
what that will what will that do because
00:35:45.204 --> 00:35:48.144
in that sense it's it's augmenting the photographer's skills
00:35:48.144 --> 00:35:51.684
or even maybe surpassing the skills and will
00:35:51.684 --> 00:35:54.644
an agency then start to judge photographers based
00:35:54.644 --> 00:35:57.724
on because then anybody who has that camera let's just say let's
00:35:57.724 --> 00:36:00.564
let's play it out a little bit if you've got a camera that's
00:36:00.564 --> 00:36:03.684
automatically like you can feed in the entire basketball team
00:36:03.684 --> 00:36:08.344
into your camera do you need to be a professional to be able to shoot that no
00:36:08.344 --> 00:36:11.704
really i mean then the camera is doing all the work for you yeah you're set
00:36:11.704 --> 00:36:16.704
you just set up cameras in strategic locations around the court right right
00:36:16.704 --> 00:36:20.704
and so you no longer perhaps need to have that, you know,
00:36:21.044 --> 00:36:23.224
like a Walter Eos or, you know.
00:36:24.264 --> 00:36:26.644
Name any sports photographers doing this for years.
00:36:26.944 --> 00:36:31.804
Will that be the case that those types of photographers will no longer be needed
00:36:31.804 --> 00:36:35.364
or desired because someone who walks in, I've got three of these Canon cameras
00:36:35.364 --> 00:36:39.624
and I can, I can capture both teams just by myself and whatnot.
00:36:40.004 --> 00:36:42.904
And so anyway, uh, to be continued.
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:52.080
Music.
00:36:52.844 --> 00:36:56.684
I was talking before about my hometown and
00:36:56.684 --> 00:36:59.704
the next thing is and i've been dragging this
00:36:59.704 --> 00:37:03.404
on and i'm not leaving for another three months but okay
00:37:03.404 --> 00:37:09.424
planning that's going into my japan trip like i'm i'm really enjoying that and
00:37:09.424 --> 00:37:16.364
dreaming up ideas and looking at my japanese photo books and And kind of centering
00:37:16.364 --> 00:37:21.344
myself in that and getting the mindset for when I go over there,
00:37:21.364 --> 00:37:27.664
I think it's a worthy thing to do, even if my pictures don't turn out as good as I hope.
00:37:28.604 --> 00:37:30.744
It's just a thing that….
00:37:31.785 --> 00:37:35.985
I really enjoy doing, thinking about it and planning for it.
00:37:36.565 --> 00:37:39.725
Is that something that built up for you over the year, though?
00:37:40.145 --> 00:37:42.765
Yeah, because I started thinking about it.
00:37:43.765 --> 00:37:50.285
When did you know you were going on the trip? I booked it, oh goodness, probably mid-summer.
00:37:51.165 --> 00:37:58.045
But I knew I was for sure going to go to Japan when my daughter got the job
00:37:58.045 --> 00:38:04.065
there. I'm like, now this is, I'm not, you know, I don't need an excuse not to go.
00:38:04.585 --> 00:38:07.525
Now I can, I can actually go and I can start planning for it.
00:38:07.785 --> 00:38:12.405
That's where the seed, you know, got laid down and then, you know,
00:38:12.705 --> 00:38:15.985
talking with her about timing and all that kind of stuff. And then now I'm starting
00:38:15.985 --> 00:38:19.765
to think about, okay, what, what is it that I can do?
00:38:19.905 --> 00:38:22.865
What, what, you know, what subject matter, what time of day,
00:38:23.105 --> 00:38:25.705
what locales am I going to go to?
00:38:25.705 --> 00:38:28.905
And then trying to be as methodic as
00:38:28.905 --> 00:38:35.705
i can in the way my idea of being methodic is not is it's not like racks and
00:38:35.705 --> 00:38:40.665
racks and notes it's sort of like little trigger words that came from chat gpt
00:38:40.665 --> 00:38:46.505
about how to think about things and you know come up with those four buckets of of.
00:38:47.725 --> 00:38:53.745
Whatever psych psychology of the images and then when i go out to shoot i'll
00:38:53.745 --> 00:38:56.005
pick two of them and try and work around that.
00:38:56.185 --> 00:39:00.945
And then it's just a matter of working with what I'm walking into.
00:39:01.285 --> 00:39:05.565
So, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. So, yeah, that's big.
00:39:05.785 --> 00:39:10.465
I mean, you know, like I say, if things don't work out, fine.
00:39:10.725 --> 00:39:19.205
But it just seems like a very good way to use my time and energy and focus on this planning.
00:39:20.405 --> 00:39:23.425
Maybe it feels like, well, what you're doing when you're storyboarding a movie.
00:39:23.425 --> 00:39:28.665
I don't know. maybe it's the same kind of flush of creativity even though nothing
00:39:28.665 --> 00:39:31.205
has come of it yet it's the
00:39:31.565 --> 00:39:36.125
the planning part and i understand why people are less like it's fine you know
00:39:36.125 --> 00:39:40.245
well yeah i mean almost less like a cinema verite movie where you're just sort
00:39:40.245 --> 00:39:41.445
of walking into this situation,
00:39:41.985 --> 00:39:45.645
with a jumbly camera and you're doing things here you're although that can be
00:39:45.645 --> 00:39:49.785
very planned out as well i don't mean to say that cinema verite is this you
00:39:49.785 --> 00:39:54.745
know random thing but you know like i've When we talked about this before, if I go someplace,
00:39:55.005 --> 00:40:00.405
I have never thought about doing what you're doing, like in terms of like planning
00:40:00.405 --> 00:40:03.065
and like being methodical.
00:40:03.205 --> 00:40:07.545
And do you think that doesn't leave any room open for improvisation or do you
00:40:07.545 --> 00:40:10.565
think it does? Or is it like you think those are two different mindsets?
00:40:10.965 --> 00:40:13.565
No, you shoot whatever you're going to shoot. You're going to do the tourist
00:40:13.565 --> 00:40:15.265
stuff because you're there.
00:40:15.665 --> 00:40:19.045
You're going to run into things that fall outside of your thought,
00:40:19.225 --> 00:40:24.445
outside of your thought. but what your plans are, and I will shoot those.
00:40:24.565 --> 00:40:27.665
Nothing will stop me from shooting those. It's just...
00:40:28.661 --> 00:40:32.121
You get rid of the feeling
00:40:32.121 --> 00:40:39.341
of i am here what am i do what am i gonna start shooting you know like i was
00:40:39.341 --> 00:40:44.861
in mexico it's sort of like what what is it that i'm here for you know like
00:40:44.861 --> 00:40:50.521
it was like you know i was not exactly freaked out i guess i was freaked out a little bit.
00:40:51.341 --> 00:40:56.441
Like i i don't know i don't know where to start kind of feeling yeah right but
00:40:56.441 --> 00:40:58.461
but i guess what What I'm asking is like,
00:40:58.621 --> 00:41:02.301
I mean, I can also say we could point to like a jazz musician where you're,
00:41:02.461 --> 00:41:07.001
there is room for both reading the music and the song and then improvise. Yeah.
00:41:07.201 --> 00:41:11.221
Right. And so where the, the song is written out and it's space and you know,
00:41:11.301 --> 00:41:14.801
the, the notes that you have to play, but there's space for,
00:41:14.821 --> 00:41:18.101
you know, bringing in something totally new.
00:41:18.381 --> 00:41:22.481
And what I'm imagining you're doing is that you're doing all this planning and
00:41:22.481 --> 00:41:27.161
stuff like that, but you can't necessarily stick to the script that you're doing.
00:41:27.161 --> 00:41:32.701
And so that you have, you think you will have room for, I guess this is a question,
00:41:32.901 --> 00:41:34.341
but you have room for improv.
00:41:34.401 --> 00:41:38.581
And I'm imagining you're going to say, yeah, because you have to have room for it, right?
00:41:39.021 --> 00:41:42.961
And also it's, it's our resting state anyway. Like when we're out there shooting,
00:41:43.141 --> 00:41:44.581
it is all improvisation.
00:41:44.801 --> 00:41:51.021
So it's just, you know, we have, you know, the, the, the time when I'm the most
00:41:51.021 --> 00:41:52.941
focused is on the Stampede Midway.
00:41:52.941 --> 00:41:57.761
And that is, I have a very specific agenda in mind to shoot those images,
00:41:57.761 --> 00:42:02.161
but that's, that's like playing a lot of the same chords, right?
00:42:02.834 --> 00:42:10.194
Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. So this'll be, this'll be good because there'll be different times of day.
00:42:10.354 --> 00:42:14.354
I mean, really what I'm after is I want there to be something at the end of
00:42:14.354 --> 00:42:17.394
this, like a book or a zine or a folio. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:17.834 --> 00:42:21.574
And, and I'm, I'm there for less than two weeks. I thought it was there for
00:42:21.574 --> 00:42:24.114
more, but I'm just there for whatever it is, 11 days.
00:42:24.714 --> 00:42:28.434
I want to make very good use of the time there so that I'm not,
00:42:28.554 --> 00:42:32.514
I will have enough interesting work that I'll be able to,
00:42:32.834 --> 00:42:35.634
you know do something with it if it means a
00:42:35.634 --> 00:42:38.694
second trip well there will be a second trip i'm you know i'm yeah
00:42:38.694 --> 00:42:41.934
but maybe there's a second volume or something but what it
00:42:41.934 --> 00:42:44.914
sounds like you don't want or what you would are working
00:42:44.914 --> 00:42:48.594
at is not leaving something like an open-ended like well i'm going to go there
00:42:48.594 --> 00:42:52.434
photograph and then throw the pictures on lightroom and then okay well yeah
00:42:52.434 --> 00:42:57.134
that was fun and go on the next thing you've got this definite two weeks is
00:42:57.134 --> 00:43:02.934
a great amount of time i mean it you know maybe you could do i'm not saying you would do this but.
00:43:03.674 --> 00:43:06.534
There's nothing wrong with say well if i was only going to be in this place for
00:43:06.534 --> 00:43:09.214
one day i would make as best use of
00:43:09.214 --> 00:43:12.054
it as possible and i would come out with a zine when i'm done if as long
00:43:12.054 --> 00:43:17.454
as i had the pictures and stuff yeah so okay that's okay well yeah to be continued
00:43:17.454 --> 00:43:21.154
when are you going again remind us when you're going end of march beginning
00:43:21.154 --> 00:43:25.614
of april end of march right so that's about the time when we're recording so
00:43:25.614 --> 00:43:30.954
i have to find some guest hosts And I discovered yesterday that the expo, the World's Fair,
00:43:31.114 --> 00:43:35.554
is going to be in Osaka four days after I leave. Oh, well.
00:43:36.194 --> 00:43:41.414
Osaka sponsored the World's Fair in the 70s, 1974.
00:43:42.294 --> 00:43:45.434
Ah, okay. So they've got a venue and everything.
00:43:45.794 --> 00:43:49.894
So I'm going to see if I can get anywhere near the construction site.
00:43:50.194 --> 00:43:54.134
Because there's a giant wooden structure apparently they've built.
00:43:54.874 --> 00:43:58.234
So it'll be very near completion by the time I get there. Okay.
00:43:58.954 --> 00:44:01.574
Just that, that's one thing. Like that's one thing I learned.
00:44:01.574 --> 00:44:05.634
I'm going to add it on my day trip or two days in Osaka.
00:44:05.874 --> 00:44:10.114
I will, I'll make a point of going there and seeing what's going on. Yeah.
00:44:10.554 --> 00:44:13.994
So I'm going to speak for everybody who's listening. You know, we're expecting a lot.
00:44:14.594 --> 00:44:18.114
Well, I keep talking about it. You better, you better. But I also say,
00:44:18.534 --> 00:44:23.974
even if nothing comes of it, I always say, I try and say that. Yeah, I know.
00:44:24.134 --> 00:44:26.894
I don't know how can nothing come of it yeah i'd like to do
00:44:26.894 --> 00:44:31.014
that but what i'm trying to impart is not
00:44:31.014 --> 00:44:34.074
to try and impress you and to tell you something really cool
00:44:34.074 --> 00:44:37.174
is coming it's to let everybody know that i
00:44:37.174 --> 00:44:42.954
really like to do this planning and that if you're in my position i would encourage
00:44:42.954 --> 00:44:47.494
you to do the same and have fun thinking about what you're doing before you
00:44:47.494 --> 00:44:54.634
do it because you know as street photographers especially most of our work sucks because.
00:44:57.427 --> 00:45:00.447
Don't tell no that's that's the dirty that's a dirty secret
00:45:00.447 --> 00:45:04.007
of street photography yeah everybody who's listening to this don't say that
00:45:04.007 --> 00:45:10.107
today we don't want to discourage people yeah but all right i want to go in
00:45:10.107 --> 00:45:13.627
with a mindset of and i was thinking about this the other day too not just planning
00:45:13.627 --> 00:45:19.207
what but as part of your mindset don't think about what you're not going a cover,
00:45:19.487 --> 00:45:23.087
think about what you can do and have that.
00:45:24.727 --> 00:45:28.807
It's unintentionally positive, even though the subject matter I'll be shooting,
00:45:28.927 --> 00:45:30.007
I'm sure it'll be quite dark.
00:45:31.407 --> 00:45:35.067
There's, you know, come from a point of view of what you can do,
00:45:35.187 --> 00:45:39.927
what you can offer, as opposed to chewing your fingernails and being concerned
00:45:39.927 --> 00:45:42.067
about what you can't do when you're in that situation.
00:45:42.067 --> 00:45:46.867
And, and I think, you know, you and I have seen talk, talked with,
00:45:46.967 --> 00:45:50.327
with new photographers are like, I don't know what to do.
00:45:50.527 --> 00:45:54.687
Like, you know, no one knows what they're going to do when they go out for their photo walk. Right.
00:45:55.087 --> 00:45:59.667
Right. You find, you make those discoveries and you go into it with a positive attitude.
00:45:59.767 --> 00:46:04.327
Like I'm going to cover, like, I have no idea what I'm going to cover and do the best I can.
00:46:04.467 --> 00:46:07.247
And then what comes out the other end, comes out the other end.
00:46:07.387 --> 00:46:11.507
You can't torpedo your hope with, with, you know, that negativity.
00:46:11.507 --> 00:46:16.747
For this all of that because it's all about yeah it's all part of the exploring right and exploring.
00:46:17.267 --> 00:46:20.167
If you have a map and you know where the map is it takes away a
00:46:20.167 --> 00:46:23.187
lot of the the you know the the pleasure
00:46:23.187 --> 00:46:26.727
and mystery of something you know and so i'm not saying that you shouldn't have
00:46:26.727 --> 00:46:31.067
a map but but if you know everything along the way then you might go into it
00:46:31.067 --> 00:46:36.727
with just anyway sorry i'm gonna actually the thought is wrong i know no but
00:46:36.727 --> 00:46:42.447
i'll kind of finish the thought and my idea was I'm not going there as a tourist.
00:46:42.447 --> 00:46:47.527
I'm not going there for a particular, oh my gosh, kind of discovery.
00:46:48.007 --> 00:46:51.707
I'm looking at Google Street View. I want to know how long it's going to take
00:46:51.707 --> 00:46:56.587
me to walk from the train station to my daughter's house or where it's in Dottamburi.
00:46:56.767 --> 00:47:00.087
I'm going to be, you know, walk this street and then that street.
00:47:00.207 --> 00:47:02.067
I'm doing all that, but I'm not doing it.
00:47:02.687 --> 00:47:05.507
I'm not going as a typical tourist. The point of
00:47:05.507 --> 00:47:11.307
me going there is to create content for a book for a folio right and so that
00:47:11.307 --> 00:47:16.247
that's the point of view i'm prepping for a kind of a mission actually as much
00:47:16.247 --> 00:47:21.227
as i am it's a vacation yes it's a vacation but it's doing it's working to create
00:47:21.227 --> 00:47:24.807
this product at the end it's a different it's a different priority.
00:47:26.547 --> 00:47:31.687
Cool thank you for that all right i think might have time for a couple of more right so,
00:47:32.207 --> 00:47:35.187
in terms of time did you start off or did i start off you started off
00:47:35.187 --> 00:47:40.407
yeah yeah but i just i just finished my points on i don't know yeah i know i
00:47:40.407 --> 00:47:44.467
was like i want to see if i can make it even maybe maybe we just have room time
00:47:44.467 --> 00:47:48.647
for one more okay just to yeah maybe we'll do time for one more and we've done
00:47:48.647 --> 00:47:51.347
it even i just realized there's so much we've talked about this year And there's
00:47:51.347 --> 00:47:54.107
so much that, that has influenced me.
00:47:54.207 --> 00:47:58.487
I, this is not my thing yet, but I did notice over the year cause my,
00:47:58.647 --> 00:48:01.927
my Lightroom catalog is, is very low in the amount of pictures.
00:48:03.007 --> 00:48:05.867
And I'm not sure where that's coming from. There's been, I mean,
00:48:05.967 --> 00:48:09.027
you know, as everybody knows, the personal stuff that's been going on in my
00:48:09.027 --> 00:48:13.207
life that I've mentioned affects me, but I've been, you know,
00:48:13.447 --> 00:48:15.787
really trying to take my camera out and move.
00:48:15.807 --> 00:48:19.647
And I'm not sure that I can judge my year by like the amount of pictures I've
00:48:19.647 --> 00:48:25.267
taken. And I don't know if that says I'm doing better this year or I'm doing worse or anything.
00:48:25.407 --> 00:48:31.127
I don't know if that's a metric worth, but I am noticing that I have been taking less pictures.
00:48:31.247 --> 00:48:35.527
I haven't had to add more hard drives to my, my archive bank,
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you know, not yet. I'm still been like shuffling stuff around.
00:48:38.867 --> 00:48:40.607
So, so that's interesting.
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And, you know, I did get the one new camera, which is not really a new camera.
00:48:44.167 --> 00:48:48.527
It's the same old camera, just in a new body, you know, the, the X 100 V,
00:48:48.667 --> 00:48:51.707
but that came in later in the year so it doesn't didn't really play an issue
00:48:51.707 --> 00:48:57.487
that being said the sort of the last thing i'm going to go back to the photographers
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that that i've learned about this year first of all i mean i did say trent park
00:49:03.707 --> 00:49:06.327
i mean i knew a little bit about him before but with some of the.
00:49:09.407 --> 00:49:15.107
Jessica Lange, who I didn't even know was a photographer. Todd Heido, excuse me.
00:49:16.667 --> 00:49:20.747
And Noggle. Noggle, I think that's how we decided. Am I pronouncing your name right?
00:49:22.167 --> 00:49:25.067
Brian Schutemann, we talked about, whose book I ended up buying.
00:49:25.527 --> 00:49:27.367
I don't know where it is now all of a sudden. I missed that boat.
00:49:27.647 --> 00:49:31.127
I said I was going to buy it. You missed that boat. It was the most beautiful book, you know? Yeah.
00:49:32.147 --> 00:49:35.247
And I'm going to wrap up this part of it.
00:49:35.527 --> 00:49:38.467
This is not somebody new, but Vivian Meyer.
00:49:38.467 --> 00:49:43.087
So having gone to her show, the show of her work, I should say,
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at Fotografiska in the city that closed in September, that affected me deeply as well.
00:49:50.947 --> 00:49:54.167
But all these photographers, like, you know, first of all, just like putting
00:49:54.167 --> 00:50:00.287
a list together of like, who are the new photographers in my circles now that I'm thinking about?
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And there's a bazillion of them.
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I mean, you know, I went to that photo books, the book show at the ICP.
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And if I was like, there was so much good work there. I mean,
00:50:11.447 --> 00:50:12.527
it's like, it's everywhere.
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So, you know, I mean, I'm not going to say this is a resolution or something
00:50:16.987 --> 00:50:21.807
like that, but I do want to spend some more time in the future,
00:50:22.187 --> 00:50:24.907
not necessarily next year specifically, but, you know, in the future,
00:50:25.067 --> 00:50:26.447
finding newer photographers.
00:50:26.667 --> 00:50:31.347
I've spent so much time with photographers we've known already for so long.
00:50:31.347 --> 00:50:33.227
It's really fun to find somebody new.
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And you've pointed out a few of them to me. I'm very surprised at that.
00:50:37.307 --> 00:50:42.747
But anyway, I want to just go back to Vivian Myers work because the show to
00:50:42.747 --> 00:50:46.707
me was like, if you guys remember when I went to Irving Penn's show,
00:50:46.867 --> 00:50:51.167
you know, way back at the, when it was at the Met and it was a retrospective
00:50:51.167 --> 00:50:53.387
of his work. And he's a hero of mine, of course.
00:50:53.847 --> 00:50:58.287
And to see Vivian's work sort of treated in the same way,
00:50:58.567 --> 00:51:01.807
even though she was not the same kind of photographer and to see it presented
00:51:01.807 --> 00:51:04.927
the way it was and to learn a little bit more about her and,
00:51:04.927 --> 00:51:07.827
and just sort of dive in into sort of the same kind of experience,
00:51:07.947 --> 00:51:10.887
I think, or similar experience that you had with, what's her name?
00:51:12.147 --> 00:51:13.507
Deanne Arbus, right? Yeah.
00:51:14.511 --> 00:51:19.331
I'm walking through this thing, looking at her prints and feeling something
00:51:19.331 --> 00:51:24.831
in my body and in my psyche with her and something that she probably could not
00:51:24.831 --> 00:51:29.051
have ever anticipated in her life. I imagine.
00:51:29.631 --> 00:51:34.171
And, and to come out of that, like rearing to like, when I walked out of the
00:51:34.171 --> 00:51:37.091
show, I was like, my, my camera was in my hand and I'm like taking pictures
00:51:37.091 --> 00:51:38.051
of everybody on the street.
00:51:38.431 --> 00:51:42.031
Crappy shots, of course. But you know, Remember, most of your work sucks.
00:51:43.051 --> 00:51:47.851
Most of my work sucks. But to have that kind of drive.
00:51:48.351 --> 00:51:52.011
And the things I learned about that. Oh, so the show was so impactful that I
00:51:52.011 --> 00:51:54.531
even changed my street photography class.
00:51:55.451 --> 00:51:58.871
Because when I was going through the show, I literally photographed every single
00:51:58.871 --> 00:52:00.271
one of her prints with my phone.
00:52:01.031 --> 00:52:03.671
And it's not because I want to print them or doing it like that.
00:52:03.871 --> 00:52:08.931
I wanted to show my future street photography classes this woman's work.
00:52:08.931 --> 00:52:14.331
Because for a couple of reasons i mean first of all it's beautiful and it's very accessible right.
00:52:15.071 --> 00:52:17.811
It i like to show it to students because when you look
00:52:17.811 --> 00:52:20.491
at it you can just say i can do work like that like you
00:52:20.491 --> 00:52:23.431
know pictures of hands and you know
00:52:23.431 --> 00:52:26.451
whatever she's doing people on the on the staten ion
00:52:26.451 --> 00:52:29.311
ferry like do modern versions of that but i just
00:52:29.311 --> 00:52:32.451
find it very accessible and very inspiring and
00:52:32.451 --> 00:52:35.971
so if i was going to say that one show i
00:52:35.971 --> 00:52:38.951
mean i didn't see a lot of shows this year but like one group of photographs really
00:52:38.951 --> 00:52:42.431
really inspired me it was that was that show and and
00:52:42.431 --> 00:52:45.251
also to learn a little bit more about her in terms of like
00:52:45.251 --> 00:52:49.531
like you hear her voice in it but also that her
00:52:49.531 --> 00:52:52.251
her own choice this is i think
00:52:52.251 --> 00:52:55.991
the most important learning i've had of her her her
00:52:55.991 --> 00:52:58.891
choice of what her images are going to look like because
00:52:58.891 --> 00:53:02.111
they showed her prints i talked about this before compared to
00:53:02.111 --> 00:53:05.171
her overall frame her her choice of
00:53:05.171 --> 00:53:08.551
cropping sucks excuse me i'm sorry
00:53:08.551 --> 00:53:12.351
to say this vivian wherever you are in the universe but please you
00:53:12.351 --> 00:53:15.131
you your your conscious mind did not know what
00:53:15.131 --> 00:53:19.291
it was doing your subconscious on the other hand knew exactly what it was doing
00:53:19.291 --> 00:53:26.771
because every single one of her frames was was gorgeous and to think that we
00:53:26.771 --> 00:53:31.311
could be running these reels in our head in a couple of different ways where
00:53:31.311 --> 00:53:33.471
one part of our inner brain.
00:53:34.424 --> 00:53:41.464
Self knows what we want. And then we get clouded by this conscious self that
00:53:41.464 --> 00:53:44.164
thinks, okay, well, I think I know better. Right.
00:53:44.804 --> 00:53:48.124
And, you know, we say, I'm going to do this, or I'm going to change that.
00:53:48.244 --> 00:53:53.124
But somewhere in the back running in a silent reel is, is that,
00:53:53.224 --> 00:53:57.344
is that other quiet self that says, no, I know the frame, this is the frame,
00:53:57.784 --> 00:54:02.164
you know, trust me on this and stuff like that and you know maybe how to how
00:54:02.164 --> 00:54:04.864
to take those two and and bring them a little closer together.
00:54:05.584 --> 00:54:08.684
Would be an interesting like experiment or
00:54:08.684 --> 00:54:11.364
how to even manage that so anyway her work i don't
00:54:11.364 --> 00:54:14.284
know i feel like if i if i had to pick one thing that would have affected me
00:54:14.284 --> 00:54:17.844
for the whole year i would have to say that show and like i said i did photograph
00:54:17.844 --> 00:54:23.004
all of her pictures and i redid my tooled my slideshow for my photography my
00:54:23.004 --> 00:54:26.624
street photography class i said if you guys didn't see the if you didn't see
00:54:26.624 --> 00:54:31.684
the vivian meyer show here it is and i didn't show all the pictures But like I said, and I also said,
00:54:31.804 --> 00:54:35.444
I'm going to shut up and I'm going to play the show and you just look at the pictures.
00:54:35.564 --> 00:54:39.644
And I listened to the, to the, you know, the exclamations of,
00:54:39.744 --> 00:54:44.424
of the, of the, uh, students and some people, you know, you hear little sounds
00:54:44.424 --> 00:54:47.284
and stuff like that. And that, that feels really good.
00:54:47.404 --> 00:54:52.244
And so anyway, that would have been my kind of my, my, my big takeaway from
00:54:52.244 --> 00:54:56.684
this year, I think, you know, is, is, is seeing that kind of work.
00:54:56.684 --> 00:55:00.064
And also like maybe trying to see if I can seek out more of that,
00:55:00.124 --> 00:55:07.284
because I realize how much like interacting or being with a photograph or a
00:55:07.284 --> 00:55:09.644
photographer in that manner is,
00:55:09.824 --> 00:55:12.384
is brings a bodily, you know.
00:55:13.124 --> 00:55:18.584
Experience to this, to this thing that we call photography, you know? So, yeah.
00:55:19.124 --> 00:55:25.264
So I think that might be it. I got to think one short one. One short one.
00:55:25.404 --> 00:55:26.424
Okay. We'll make it real short.
00:55:27.424 --> 00:55:30.164
Rediscovering film photographer, because Vivian Meyer reminded me,
00:55:30.304 --> 00:55:31.764
she is the Roloflex. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:55:31.864 --> 00:55:39.084
I have a late 50s RolloCord, not as fancy as her Roloflex, but the glass is just as good, I think.
00:55:39.324 --> 00:55:45.284
And my son, I gave my son my, she came at 124, and he and I have gone out a
00:55:45.284 --> 00:55:50.104
couple of times in the summertime shooting color and black and white on our
00:55:50.104 --> 00:55:52.744
twin lens cameras and good bonding,
00:55:53.104 --> 00:55:55.524
father-son bonding experience.
00:55:55.524 --> 00:56:01.344
And kind of the fun and of, of film photography, but without the chemicals,
00:56:01.564 --> 00:56:04.844
uh, we have a local lab scan them and I get the negatives and then I,
00:56:04.984 --> 00:56:08.744
we, we put them in Lightroom mobile and we have fun with it.
00:56:08.924 --> 00:56:12.644
So less, less toxicity. Less toxicity.
00:56:13.244 --> 00:56:16.964
Yes. And that dark in the palm of your hand, man, it is the best.
00:56:17.770 --> 00:56:22.250
Yeah. Well, let's let, let's throw in, you know, I've been doing most of my
00:56:22.250 --> 00:56:26.450
processing on my phone these days on Lightroom because they keep putting extra
00:56:26.450 --> 00:56:29.030
features in Lightroom on the mobile device.
00:56:29.030 --> 00:56:34.210
That makes it much, much more fun to do that. You know, I don't know why it's
00:56:34.210 --> 00:56:38.930
like, it's so much nicer for me than sitting on a computer and doing it, but that's me.
00:56:39.270 --> 00:56:44.690
So. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's like a doodling, you know?
00:56:45.290 --> 00:56:48.290
Yeah. It's improvisation. There's a bit of a jazz component to it too.
00:56:48.370 --> 00:56:49.490
Hey, we do this, we do that.
00:56:50.250 --> 00:56:54.650
Check up the saturation. Oh, the horns are too bright. Let's back out. Yeah.
00:56:55.210 --> 00:57:00.850
I'll be interested to see what technological stuff comes out this year in terms
00:57:00.850 --> 00:57:02.890
of cameras and software and stuff like that.
00:57:02.970 --> 00:57:10.810
I mean, as one final notice of what was going on, the noise reduction software
00:57:10.810 --> 00:57:15.090
has gotten so insanely good in the past year.
00:57:15.090 --> 00:57:19.810
If if you don't overdo it and make it look like it's artificial with artificial intelligence,
00:57:20.310 --> 00:57:24.910
it's done a real good job to almost knock out like you can almost like who cares
00:57:24.910 --> 00:57:30.090
about iso these days like yeah shoot at 12 000 who cares you just drop it in
00:57:30.090 --> 00:57:35.550
drop it into topaz you know photo ai and get rid of the noise and keep all the
00:57:35.550 --> 00:57:37.610
detail and you're good to go so it's you know,
00:57:38.287 --> 00:57:41.347
I didn't think that would be happening, but anyway, all right,
00:57:41.447 --> 00:57:43.007
I'm going to go. There's too many things.
00:57:43.147 --> 00:57:46.467
It's, you know, I, I wrote, I printed out three pages of stuff that we could
00:57:46.467 --> 00:57:48.527
talk about and it was a whole year.
00:57:48.687 --> 00:57:51.567
I mean, we get a fit a whole year into an hour.
00:57:51.887 --> 00:57:57.227
So yeah. Yeah. Well, I think those are the ones that, that caught me the most.
00:57:57.367 --> 00:58:00.907
I mean, there's a lot of other stuff, but I think, I think, you know.
00:58:01.727 --> 00:58:05.927
The Trent Park and AI and, and the other stuff we're talking about,
00:58:06.007 --> 00:58:09.467
I think was, was really kind of hitting. And, and the last thing is like,
00:58:09.987 --> 00:58:12.347
you know, new cameras are coming out.
00:58:12.527 --> 00:58:16.067
So, but I'll talk about them when I get it. So the next shiny,
00:58:16.347 --> 00:58:19.567
shiny thing. I turned into a gear review show.
00:58:20.627 --> 00:58:25.187
Yeah. I'm sure everybody listens to us. They'll say, you guys are so good at this.
00:58:25.427 --> 00:58:28.487
I'm going to pick up a lens and say, it's this lens is too heavy.
00:58:28.627 --> 00:58:30.907
It's got a thing that does this. And people are like, what are you guys?
00:58:31.367 --> 00:58:34.707
You're reviewing it here on a, on a podcast. Yeah.
00:58:34.807 --> 00:58:37.467
Well, what are you going to do? we're doing a photography show on a
00:58:37.467 --> 00:58:40.547
podcast right so we're talking about images yeah and describing
00:58:40.547 --> 00:58:43.627
all right so let's uh let's wrap
00:58:43.627 --> 00:58:46.407
i think that's good so where where where are
00:58:46.407 --> 00:58:49.907
you found these days you can find me if
00:58:49.907 --> 00:58:53.247
i can find myself here first uh i
00:58:53.247 --> 00:58:57.207
found you so vero twitter and
00:58:57.207 --> 00:59:01.207
blue sky at w rosin photo oh
00:59:01.207 --> 00:59:04.067
you're on blue sky now i'm blue sky wait a minute wait a minute i haven't
00:59:04.067 --> 00:59:09.427
posted anything yet a lot of applause yeah start
00:59:09.427 --> 00:59:12.247
posting so you're on blue sky is what yeah w rosin photo
00:59:12.247 --> 00:59:15.547
so new work i'll start posting there um okay
00:59:15.547 --> 00:59:20.747
instagram i'm at ward rosin fine art facebook you can find me at ward rosin
00:59:20.747 --> 00:59:26.287
photo my website which is still woefully inadequate but you know i have hopes
00:59:26.287 --> 00:59:33.387
for it is that rosin.ca and our unofficial sponsor is unofficial sponsor Ornice.photo.
00:59:34.307 --> 00:59:37.467
So, and I want to thank the people that are interested in that.
00:59:37.667 --> 00:59:44.807
I sell, um, I sell manual focus, um, seven artisans lenses and, uh, filters.
00:59:45.427 --> 00:59:48.327
My neutral density filters. I've sold a few of those lately.
00:59:48.667 --> 00:59:53.867
So yeah, no, it's, uh, it's a fun thing. A nice little, little side hustle.
00:59:54.644 --> 00:59:56.544
What about you, Antonio? And you said people, you want to thank,
00:59:56.704 --> 00:59:58.004
well, you said you want to thank people.
00:59:58.204 --> 01:00:00.924
You would say, I cut you off. Oh, no, I just don't want to thank people for
01:00:00.924 --> 01:00:01.884
their interest and so on.
01:00:01.964 --> 01:00:06.924
And now that the, in front of my Canadian customers, now that the postal strike
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is over, you can go ahead with your orders if that's what you were thinking.
01:00:11.804 --> 01:00:15.364
So, yeah. What about you, Antonio? Where can we find you?
01:00:16.064 --> 01:00:18.624
All right. Blue Sky at AM Rosario.
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My website is amrosario.com Facebook Rosario Photo you get where I'm going with
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So thank you thank you for all that thank you for all your support and any any
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chump change you guys send our direction is really appreciated helps literally
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buy us a coffee i mean like i just drank one today so i'll chalk that up to
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uh it's what kept me awake for doing the show.
01:01:41.204 --> 01:01:44.004
Not that i was bored or anything like that it's just like it's the end of the day and
01:01:44.004 --> 01:01:48.164
it's yeah been a long holiday thing but uh so uh
01:01:48.164 --> 01:01:50.944
ward you know i'm i probably won't talk
01:01:50.944 --> 01:01:53.904
to you right a few more days until uh new year so have
01:01:53.904 --> 01:01:58.264
a great new year's yeah you too my friend yeah and
01:01:58.264 --> 01:02:01.444
to everybody out there who um whatever holiday
01:02:01.444 --> 01:02:05.604
you're celebrating now uh please have a good one and you know we will see you
01:02:05.604 --> 01:02:11.544
next year uh we'll hopefully have more people i know a couple of some of our
01:02:11.544 --> 01:02:20.184
some of our um uh gosh i'm spacing out our unusual um fellows and usual collective fellettes,
01:02:21.204 --> 01:02:24.944
collective yeah we might have a surprise guest on
01:02:24.944 --> 01:02:28.224
hopefully uh hopefully she'll agree
01:02:28.224 --> 01:02:31.544
to be on the show i'm dropping a hint oh
01:02:31.544 --> 01:02:36.464
that might be interesting it will be interesting all right okay so um everybody
01:02:36.464 --> 01:02:41.044
have a great new year and ward thank you for spending some of your evening with
01:02:41.044 --> 01:02:45.904
me tonight and i'm always happy to do it all right everybody have a good uh
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holiday and see you next year and ciao good night.
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