Split Your Head - Season 4 - Episode 58 - Interview with Schnüdlbug (Roach)

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This is Frightmar's.
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Hello and welcome to Split Your Head. I'm your host Bob,
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and today's special guest is Chris aka Shnoodlebug. Chris is
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the owner and operator of shnoodle Video, a boutique post
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production shop specializing in music based video content and more.
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As a BC based filmmaker, editor, musician, and podcaster, He's
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poured all of these talents into his debut, animated film Roach,
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Well accept the podcast part. Roach is one of the
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most immersive and hypnotic pieces of animation I've ever experienced,
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and it's also available as a short film, a long film,
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a Japanese film, and comes in ten flavors, including slime, green,
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ice blue, and classic red and blue and a glyph
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three D. So naturally, with all of these creative outlets
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and such an ambitious project for his first film, I
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had to have him on to pick his brain about Roach,
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quite possibly low fire house music. Chris, thank you so
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much for coming on. It's so great to finally meet you.
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Roach. What a doozy. Yeah, thank you.
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Let's get right into Roach. You know, where did you
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get the idea from?
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For like, how did it? What was the seed? Like?
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Where did that come from? Huh? That's a good question.
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It dates back a little bit before film school because
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there's a lot of construction imagery in there, and my
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I'm kind of the BlackSheep of the family, uh to
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construction or plumbing. H So, but I helped out a lot,
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you know, I go paint scaffolding with my grandpa and
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all that kind of stuff, you know, helping my dad
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around the shop. So I was always kind of surrounded by,
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you know, for lack of a better term, like the
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aesthetic of construction. And I eventually started working on job
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sites in the summers and things like that. But then
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I went to the Art Institute of Vancouver. I got
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a partial scholarship because I was pretty heavily involved in
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video production in high school and doing a lot of
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those like twenty four hour film challenges and stuff like
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that and that so or forty eight hours. I think
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twenty four might be a bit yeah, that's a bit tight, yeah,
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but really fun. And eventually made a lot of friends there,
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one of which happened to live just a few blocks
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away from me, so he would hitch a ride with
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me and we would just talk about music and movies
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and kind of learn about each other that way. And
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I had been pretty heavy into noise, specifically Merzbow, and
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it wasn't really something I was kind of showing my
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I mean I rarely was past the Oxford in that way. Yeah,
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do you do that with you know, yeah, exactly, So
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by that point it was I was like, Okay, I'm
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not even gonna show my friends this. So, but they
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had just collaborated with Boris for this live rock dream
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and uh so he was into Boris and I was
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into Mersbo, so it was the perfect Uh you know, hey,
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have you tried this? And I mean yeah, you were
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listening to that again and again and again, you know,
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driving back and forth. It was about forty minute drive
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each way. So yeah, and then I was hang on,
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I've lost my train of thought. No, no, I just
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it's interesting. No, it's just it's just interesting.
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Becau has like, as as I've seen the movie, this
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all makes a lot of sense. But I think to
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someone listening who has has no idea what the film is,
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they're they're like, what is this movie? You know, it's
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like you're touching on like industrial construction sites, which obviously
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clicks with the dystopian atmosphere of the film. You're touching
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on like noise soundscapes, you know, which I think the
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film very much like heavily relies on. It has this
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like intense sound design that goes from like these droning
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soundscapes that really pull you in. But there is that
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aspect of like a friendship that is formed in a vehicle, right,
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am I right?
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And like okay, yeah, aspect that's really cool. Yeah, yeah.
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I was like, clearly that's the trajectory of what you're
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explaining here, right, But I don't know, it's.
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Well, it was that you know that Actually that's a
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very how should I put that? Very uh app kind
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of summarization of of Yeah, how reality kind of became
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a movie and a lot of it was almost a
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direct Yeah that's wow. But honestly it was a lot
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of that and talking about Starship Troopers, which was, you know,
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one of our shared kind of favorite movies, and uh, yeah,
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we we kind of came up with this idea where
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you know, wouldn't it be cool if we took uh,
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Starship Troopers and kind of put it in the sky.
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You know, we had aerial battles as opposed to just
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ground battles. Because I would come home and play at Karuga,
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this arcade game, you know, schmupp where you're a ship
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and you're fighting giant mechs and stuff for you know,
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without getting into too much detail, uh, And I would
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listen to variations on a theme by Ohm, which is
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an album my buddy Matt introduced me to on one
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of the drives, right, because I'm a huge fan of
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two pieces and still to this day really like the
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first few Death from Above nineteen seventy nine releases, like
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specifically the EP and the first LP are just me.
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Honestly, I still go back to that EP in that
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first full length every few years I thought, and I'm like, man, like,
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why isn't this celebrated more?
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This was so oh yeah, yeah. Not to go off
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on a tangent, but I'm actually when I bought a
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bass guitar a couple of years ago, and I've always
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wanted to, like ever since I heard that album, I
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wanted to learn how to play a lot of those songs,
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and eventually I was like, you know what, this might
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be starting in hard mode, but this is what I
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want to do. I started learning You're a woman, I'm
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a machine, like the full album starting with Cold War,
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which I feel like i've because I went for the
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hardest one, uh right away and figured out which just
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work my way backwards. I'm sure I'm going to be surprised.
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I'm a few songs in so far. Having a baby
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and and doing all that, you know, operating unoodle videos
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kind of kept me from the bass guitar and and
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but but I'm getting back to it recently, and it's
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been so nice. Uh yeah, and yeah, just but anyways, Yeah,
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huge fan of Two Pieces and was introduced to Ome.
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Uh loved it and would I felt like that was
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such a good pairing. Yeah, and so I think the
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marriage of yeah, startup Troopers at Garuga and om plus
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all of the you know mursbo Boris, Yeah, boris, all
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of those influences. Yeah. But the movie that we were
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talking about on these rides were you know, it was
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an insane movie. It would have been it's a pie
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in this guy and you know what I mean, like
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it's it's one of those like it would require a
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huge budget and stuff. But we were kids just entering
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film school and we were full of piss and vinegar
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and the ideas, and you know, reality would eventually set
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in over the years because I just really couldn't shake
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the idea. You know, even as film school ended, everyone
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kind of went off got jobs either in the in
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the industry or not in the industry. I just couldn't
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shake the idea. I was really hooked on it, and
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he gave me permission to just go with it. He's like, hey, man,
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you know you do you And so I kind of
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just kept working on it writing. You know, at my
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first place, we had my buddy and I invested in
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a fish tank and we were doing the whole you know,
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dropping the spices in. Theyre doing the half salt water
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half regular water, with the tarp in between, and then
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releasing the tarp so that everything would kind of build
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these clouds in these ways whereas I forget what the
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name of it is, but you're essentially having the two
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waters interact with each other, and as you add the
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spices and everything, it makes these tornadoes and swirls and
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it's just really pful. So we were thinking, oh, we
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could try this. Yeah, you know, it was the first
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place I was living in after just living with my
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parents right at home, so you know, that was another thing,
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like a full of pisson videgor. Let's try a bunch
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of things. And eventually, you know, you get to your
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twenties and a lot of your friends are like, all right,
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I'm you know, doing other things, like I don't want
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to meet up and talk about this this idea that
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seems like pretty impossible to film. You know, we're talking
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about building a cockpit and getting an actor and doing
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all this kind of stuff, and at that point, there
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was like three characters and a lot of stuff going
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on in that original idea, and eventually, with the help
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of my buddy Ross, I wrote this short version that
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eventually became the basis of you know, the thirty minute version. Okay.
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Wrote it while I was at my first job outside
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of you a post college, and I was doing video
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production for local newspaper, and it was a slow day,
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and I was just that I took the time and
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I just wrote this thing based on our notes, and
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I was really happy with it. But again, it just
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as a as something to shoot physically it it would
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require a lot of work even just to look marginally okay, right,
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and reality was said in pretty early on, but I
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just couldn't shake it. I was always just like, okay,
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what what can we do? What can we do? But
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you know, during that time too, my tastes were changing, right,
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Like I was. I got into more kind of experimental
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film and stuff like that outside of film school. Like
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I don't, film school wasn't the reason my diet up
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until that point, even working at the video store was
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pretty mainstream, and so that was more of like going
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off and starting watch starting to watch stuff like you know,
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gaspar No no Way, and you know, then using that
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as a basis to kind of watch other things.
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You know, Uh, I definitely could feel the guest bar
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no Way in the film. And it's interesting because I
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think a lot of people that aren't that familiar with
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his films imagine him as just.
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This, like are they They consider him as like just.
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A very like provocative, antagonistic director. But really, if you
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watch like all of his work, so much of it
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is so sensual. It's all about like the cinema as
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like a full body experience, you know, yes, which makes
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a lot of sense, like how it influenced Roach, So yeah, well.
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And I mean it's been pointed out, but like the
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spiraling cameras and stuff, I mean a lot of that
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came from eventually seeing Le Region Central, the Michael Snow movie.
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And because I was just on this search for you
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when I was fifteen or sixteen working at the video store,
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I brought home Jerry by Gus Van sant Oh okay,
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and my experience with it, my first experience with it
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was really funny because fifteen minutes in I was so bored.
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I started a push up regimen that did not last long.
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But it was because I was watching this movie and
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I just couldn't figure it out, like okay, okay, what
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And then I watched it in chunks over the week.
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It was a week long rental, and then I just
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couldn't shake it, and I kept coming back to it,
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and I realized I actually really liked this movie. It's
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antagonistic and its kind of very punk sensibility of like, well,
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have two characters start the movie, the path represents the
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script or the literal story, and then they just veer
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off and what becomes of the movie, They're just lost
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for the rest of It's like you just have to
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deal with it. I loved it, and then it also
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taught me how to watch slower films. So what started
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as an antagonistic experience eventually was just kind of a
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lesson in watching movies that I really pre And it's
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definitely part it's part of the canon, you know, the
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short list of movies in the canon of you know,
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things that really shade me. For sure.
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I think I can see that because I mean I
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actually haven't seen Jerry. I've seen Elephant in Last Days,
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which I think are a trilogy or something. I just
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instant but but yeah, it seems like for you, you
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were like sixteen watching it, the film was like you
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were bored because like you didn't understand the language in
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a way of the film, and like getting more into it,
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you're like understanding the language and then you're like, oh
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my god, I've adapted to this language. And that probably
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was so freeing for you because you realize, like, oh,
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make any language.
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Of film I want.
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I just have to like have that vision and stick
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to it, which I think approach does.
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Oh then yeah, that's cool. Yeah, absolutely it. Jerry was
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like a huge lesson I think in not only watching movies,
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but yeah, like how to approach you know scenes, Yeah,
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like how long this scene can be?
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by him and he would just talk about how like
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he would find the right note I think he put
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how we put it, like, you know, he would just
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approach it as like, oh, I find the shot. It
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feels like the right note to play in a song,
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and I'm just gonna keep it, you know. So yeah,
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I really I just I learned how to slow down.
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Michael Snow, we're using crane shots right. And then as
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soon as I decided, oh wow, I can do this
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is an animation. You know, you can make the camera
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do anything you want, you can have you can crane
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doesn't cost money, yeah, whatever you want in that sense.
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of it being a physical or a live action movie
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and then it becoming an animation was quite quite a
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weird road. My my grandma was dying at the time,
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and it was I was pretty pretty low and it
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just around the same time I had been reading about
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this movie Sleep Hazard House by Scott Marley and it
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debuted on a streaming service that unfortunately doesn't exist anymore
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called Tao Films, and it specialized in slow cinema. And
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so this movie was shot on an iPhone in four days.
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as soon as I heard about it, I had to
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see it, and unfortunately I missed the window that it
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was on this website. So I found his contact information,
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can I can I please watch it? And he's just
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the kindest person. He's so wonderful and we started talking
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and eventually his movie ended up showing at the Vancouver
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I forgot what the theater is called. It's been a
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minute since I've been there, but uh yeah, it was
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the third time I'd seen it, and I got I
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got to see it in person this time. And he
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was actually a messaging me before let me know how
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how it is, how they present it and everything, you know,
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because because I had messaged him back, this is whow
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I'm bouncing all over the place. Yeah. No, I I
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watched the movie and it. To say it changed my
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life is kind of it's a bit of an understatement
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because it really lit a fire under my ass in
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a way that I don't think. I've almost been chasing it.
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It's like a drug. I you know, it was so
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I There are two movies that really kind of to me,
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if I look at my creative life on a map,
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kind of represent like WHOA just in terms of like, wow,
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you can do this? Yeah, m do. Strange made a
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movie called We Are the Strange back in I think
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it was a two thousand and seven completely animated on
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his own two hour film. Absolutely mind blowing. It's like
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puppetry mixed with eight bit animation, mixed with us free dy.
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like Reboot esque, uh, very like low five c g
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I and you know, just the coolest mix of everything.
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people online. I can't even remember the kind of the
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chat platforms we were all using to uh to talk
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on there. Yeah something it was, Yeah, we were he
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was on a webcam and we were all chatting in there,
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and we were involved in this project where we were
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like submitting footage for him to remix and stuff like that.
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It was such a collaborative and cool. Like it really
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opened my eyes to uh production on a much smaller scale,
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but much bigger, you know, because obviously I love Robert
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Rodriguez and would watch all the Sin City stuff and yeah,
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you can do all that in your backyard if you
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have a lot of money, but if you don't, like,
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you can do all this stuff on your computers. So
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we are the Strange was definitely a big one. And
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then Sleep as Her House was the next one in that,
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Like I couldn't believe that, you know, four days in
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the woods with an iPhone and then remixing it for
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about a year and a half could make something that powerful.
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tone poem. There's a little bit of a prelude on screen,
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look at a poem that kind of illustrates what you're
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about to watch. But other than that, there's no dialogue
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or anything. And it really just it was again just
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incredibly lidifire under my ass, you know, and I was
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really like I told him, I was like, I think
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I think you've like rewired my brain with this because
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I'm certainly thinking about, you know, a whole new approach
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to this idea. I had been getting into Andy Warhol
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and all that kind of you know, meccas and all that.
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Was reading movie Journal all that kind of stuff. So
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I was getting pretty obsessed with, especially the screen printing idea,
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like that idea of having multiple versions and different colors
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and stuff like that, and applying that sort of idea
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to film. So that that you know, over the years
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of kind of my taste changing and exploring new things
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and kind of falling in love with with these again
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art that I didn't I wasn't pretty to in school
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or anything. It's much more technical in school. This is
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all you know, in my twenties getting bored of the
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mainstream movies and just being like I need to find
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space more off of dreams, you know.
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You know, so how people reacted to the whole like,
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you know, having multiple versions in different colors and stuff,
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because I can't say I've ever really heard of that before,
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like at least a film doing that.
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Yeah. Well, the way I sold it was, you know,
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it was a way for I mean the coolest thing
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was I could go to artists I really appreciated and
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love their work, and I could be like, hey, would
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you like to do the score for this version of Roach? Right,
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So it gave a lot of you know, friends and
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people that I really adore opportunities to do the music
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for them or to provide music for me to remix
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and incorporate into it. So yeah, it was a way
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to kind of like change the flavor of each viewing
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in that way. Could we watch it in different ways?
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And I really liked how the mono monochromatic palette would
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just allow for that, right, And it all came from
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the Anna with three D because that was an idea
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had locked in early once I figured out I could
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do that. I knew I wanted to make a three
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D movie, so and a glyph three D? Is that
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the red and green? Red and red and blue? Okay?
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Or sorry? Red and blue?
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Interesting because I think I tried watching it just before
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we started recording, but it was the purple, the purple version,
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the purple version.
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Yeah, I don't know if I didn't do it right
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or something, but I maybe it wasn't working because I
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have a pair of glasses that came with like five
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Thirteenth Part three or something. Oh interesting, right, So yeah, yeah,
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but I'll have to try that again because.
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in that oh so it might not have been too
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too crazy, like it just it's slightly popping out or
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softly kind of you're looking in there's a little more death.
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But then then I kind of increased it as it goes.
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But yeah, actually, it'd be curious if those glasses were
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because I've been sending out just the branded ones I had.
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Actual it's just.
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The same thing though, right, like just you just I
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think so it depends that you can.
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Do red and green as well. So yeah, there's red
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and blue and red and green. So yeah, I had.
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When I was working at the video store, we were
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renting out Hannah Montana, the Best of Both World something
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like that. It was like a concert show that was
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in three D and uh, we this kind of gros
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to think about. But it came with paper three D glasses,
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and so we had to rent them out with the
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DVD and so they come back and then we were
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told to wipe them down with uh but it's paper,
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you know, so they were degrading over time as you
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were wiping them down with these lysole wipes and stuff.
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It just wasn't the best. And each one had its
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own like five digit coat that we had to punch
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into them. It was a whole thing. But because I
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was handling them all the time, I figured out who
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or which company made them that in the Jonas Brothers movie.
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So I contacted them by email and I was like, hey, what,
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I'd love to make a three D movie, but I
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just want to ensure that this is possible. Could I
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get my logo printed on a pair of you know,
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cardboard three D glasses? And sure enough they could, and yeah,
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I part of making the movie was ordering those glasses.
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And then it was like well, now I have to.
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You know, it gets you incentive to actually complete this thing.
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So you ordered them before you made the three D version.
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I had the logo and everything designed. Yeah, so it
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was something that was like sketching for years and so
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I've finally just scanned it and then part of the
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push to I had like a handful of shots done
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at that point, and then I'm like, well, if I'm
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going to do this, let's in vat in the project
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in that way. Like you know, I think it was
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a few hundred dollars to get a shipment of you know,
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a few hundred of these glasses, but I mean I
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sold out of them like or rather through the screenings
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and everything I had to do with second Order recently,
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which was really cool. You know, same guy who got
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me into the whole project a few years ago, he's
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still working there. He was my contact. So I was like, oh, hey,
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glad to see hr doing well. It was really nice.
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Yeah, it's just like I've I've had maybe actually not
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that many people on the show, but I did have
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the m sisters on recently who did this film called
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Divine Hammer, and they were talking about how they made
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I believe it was they made a trailer and they
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had they said releasing Divine Hammer twenty twenty five. That
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was before they made the film, and now because they
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had the date and they had the hour long trailer,
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that was what made them go, oh shit, now we
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have to make the film.
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So for you, you.
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Were like, I have some shot ideas and I'm going
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to order the three D glasses.
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Now I have to make the film exactly. And that's
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like such a.
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I don't know if idio socrat syncratic is the right word,
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but it's very niche.
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It's what's interesting, though, is like I didn't I wasn't
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really thinking about it that way because I had worked
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in visual effects for a few years where you would
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see trailers for big movies and I knew that movie
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was far from time. Like you know what I mean,
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Like movies, when the first trailer comes out, they go
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to those shots are complete for the trailer. They'll probably
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be changed for the final release, but you know, for
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the most part, you're you're watching the trailer thinking, oh man,
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I can't wait for that complete movie to come out,
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and it's like, yeah, we work on those up until
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the last minute, so you know, it's which I think
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from me because the whole point of you know, doing
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it as an animation. I was like, well, perfect, I
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can just learn the pipeline through work. I was working
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as a visual effects editor, assistant visual effects editor, and
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an eventual visual effects editor for a handful of projects.
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But I learned the pipeline that way, so I could
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make my own scotch tape and yeah, ripped paper version
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at home. But it was really like, okay, I can.
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I just took the same approach from these bigger movies
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I worked on and did them at home. So made
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a teaser with the shots that were complete. In that case,
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I wanted them, you know, locked those shots. There was
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just the beginning text and the pulling away to reveal
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the roach for the first time. That was the teaser,
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and so that was you know, those assets were locked
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for the rest of the production, right And then that
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way again, having the teaser, I was like, I gave
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a date. I'm pretty sure I extended it one year.
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00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.599
Oh wow, like with another trailer, Uh yeah, pretty sure,
480
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.599
I'm not I'm not too sure at this point. Regardless,
481
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.880
I doing a teaser like that and just kind of
482
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.079
following that system was a great way to keep myself,
483
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:27.759
uh motivated and on the ball, because I think there
484
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:31.599
was a fear of not reaching the finish line with this,
485
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:35.039
Like it was such a long gestating project that I
486
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.400
think there was a lot of fear that I was
487
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:42.519
just gonna eventually something was gonna happen, you know, Not
488
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.759
that I didn't trust myself to complete it, but yeah,
489
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:51.359
you know, at that point I had you know, there's
490
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:53.079
things that happened, right Like I've been in a hiking
491
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:54.920
accident where I broke some bones on my face and
492
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:57.319
stuff like that a while, and so, you know, things
493
00:30:57.480 --> 00:30:59.559
things happen in life and then you're like I can't
494
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.079
do or why for a while. And I think I
495
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:05.279
had that mentality with the movie where I was like,
496
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:07.920
you know, I I really need to get this done.
497
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:09.559
I need to get this out of my system. But
498
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.039
I want to be you know, methodical about this. I'm
499
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:19.039
going to keep myself uh what's the word, Like I
500
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:23.519
had to discipline, but oh man, this is gonna drive
501
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:30.359
me crazy. It's it kept me on a schedule and uh,
502
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.880
you know, it kept me uh kind of locked into
503
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.400
that kind of I'm losing my mind that I can't
504
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:47.240
come over. Yeah, it's really it was really something like
505
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:50.240
watching Sleep at your house and realizing that I could
506
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:56.039
do this on again. My computer was so freeing and
507
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.400
uh and then to take these new approaches to art
508
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:02.200
that I had been learning over the years and ways
509
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:04.839
that you could do this, you know. Ah. And the
510
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:08.640
screen printing aspect of Andy Warhol was was really big
511
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:16.480
for that kind of you know, starkly black, red, white, right,
512
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:18.519
those are the only colors we're using. It's gonna be
513
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:24.519
shadow puppets essentially. So yeah, that that the kind of
514
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.359
puppetry aspect, you know, keeping things looking like it's almost
515
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:32.559
like a marionette, just stripping everything down as much as possible.
516
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:38.319
It's very stark, stark, you know. Yeah, which is interesting
517
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.759
because like, on one hand it does make it feel
518
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:46.319
very bleak, but on the other hand, certain aspects of
519
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:51.839
it I found kind of whimsical. Specifically the the face
520
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.480
of the main character. It looks and I mean this
521
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.559
as a compliment, but like almost like a Disney character.
522
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:00.079
Well, I don't know what it.
523
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.599
I don't know what it is about it, Like just
524
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:03.920
the shape of the face.
525
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.599
There's like an eyebrow ring, is that Okay?
526
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:10.680
Yeah, it just there's something about the shape of it
527
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.440
that gave it this like Disney quality, and in the
528
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:19.039
best way possible, that's cool Disney. Yeah, And I found
529
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:21.480
that it was an interesting mix, you know, Like I
530
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:25.119
feel like that kind of permeates the entire film because
531
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:30.319
like it definitely comes from a noise kind of soundscape background,
532
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:33.079
but it's also very subdued, you know. It's like these
533
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:35.720
these juxtapositions, you know what I mean.
534
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:40.000
I think it's it's funny you say Disney, because you know,
535
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:43.039
not that I'm like, yeay Disney, you know, but I
536
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.640
grew up with a lot of those films for sure, totally,
537
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:51.799
I think, you know, I this is such a funny
538
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.640
way to put it. Yeah, but I never want to
539
00:33:54.680 --> 00:34:00.519
make a movie to upset people. I don't. I don't wally,
540
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.000
you know. And I don't want to make a movie
541
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:06.880
that's like like I I this is I love. I
542
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:11.000
love making things, or rather, the goal is to make
543
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:14.000
things that if I were seven or eight years old,
544
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.679
I go to the video store that I eventually worked at,
545
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:20.960
and I see something on the shelf that looks like
546
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.079
it should be R rated, but I can take it
547
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:29.280
home because it's PG and oh, okay, because I certain
548
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:35.280
movies would feel and I'm going to I'm gonna the
549
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.440
actual films escape me, but just that idea of being
550
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:41.280
able to bring something home that feels edgy, but it's
551
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:45.880
actually not that edgy at all, like subject matter wise,
552
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:49.079
it's just the feel of it is very cool. Yeah,
553
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:53.239
it's very you know, and I'm again, I can't really
554
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:56.280
think of a lot of movies that do that, but
555
00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:00.559
it was something I always wanted and it was funny.
556
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.679
I read an interview with Panos Cousmadows who did Beyond
557
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:08.280
the Black Rainbow and man and I same sort of thing.
558
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:10.960
Like he said he would make up the movies in
559
00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:13.480
his head that where he'd go to the video store,
560
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.360
he would see these covers of movies that he wasn't
561
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:17.519
allowed to bring home, and he would make up movies
562
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:20.320
in his head. And that's eventually what you get with
563
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.760
Beyond the Black Rainbow is almost like this naquil fever
564
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.840
dream of like a movie you would see on the
565
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.039
shelf and you would just kind of imagine based on
566
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.679
the four images that are you know, presented to you
567
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:32.119
on there.
568
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:37.039
Yeah, and I just, yeah, that's really really interesting to me.
569
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:41.440
I mean, and I am one as well, but you
570
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:44.880
must be a child of the eighties eighty nine, so
571
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:48.480
just on the oh yeah, okay, okay, my bad, my bad,
572
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:52.280
I'm eighty four. So yeah, I mean I at the
573
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.239
same time, like you go to the video store throughout
574
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.840
the nineties, and you're gonna see the films of the eighties,
575
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:01.119
because I feel like the eighties was like the decade
576
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:03.880
for that where there was a lot of.
577
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.960
Like edgy kids films more.
578
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:12.199
Or you know it, because it makes me think of, like,
579
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:14.920
you know, talking to people like this is so such
580
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:17.480
a random anecdote, but like talking to a coworker a
581
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.159
few years ago about how like every Halloween he watches
582
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.159
the Chucky films because he's like, yeah, they don't make
583
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:26.199
them like this anymore, because no one can really have
584
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.440
that perfect mix of like camp and horror in a
585
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.920
way like people don't get it. If they do it now,
586
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.880
it's too much of an intentional homage, where back then
587
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.239
it was like totally genuine. And I think you're kind
588
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:42.159
of talking about something very similar to me, and I
589
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.360
don't know what it is. I want to know what
590
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.840
these other films you were talking exact Yeah, yeah, well
591
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:49.760
and also just.
592
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:56.760
I've always been enamored by strong female characters. And it's
593
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.000
one of those things where like grew up loving the
594
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:02.280
Powerpuff Girls, but being very nervous about telling people at
595
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:08.559
school that like, loved the Powerpuff Girls, and it was
596
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:11.320
just but you know, I didn't want to be called
597
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.199
certain words, and so I would I just got that
598
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.920
to myself, you know, things like that. But growing up
599
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.280
loved Kill Bill when it came out like huge, you know,
600
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.599
so the idea of making a movie with a strong,
601
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.519
a young girl that you know, uh, was able to
602
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.320
kind of do her thing and survive in a really
603
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:37.000
tough situation. I think that was always kind of the goal.
604
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:41.079
Especially now having a daughter. It's one of those things
605
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:44.519
that I think about a lot. Uh yeah, just I
606
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.079
have I have a list of movies I want to
607
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.920
show her that fit this Bill. You know, they were
608
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:56.119
this kind of idea. You know, well it's you know,
609
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.800
obviously Powerpuff Girls movie. My wife and I talk all
610
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.760
the time it's like what age, What age am I
611
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:05.280
allowed to show her Kill Bill? Like that's that's a
612
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:09.360
big conversation that comes up because I'm always like, oh yeah,
613
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:11.679
just a few years be sitting down watching the whole
614
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:14.679
boody affair. I can't believe her. I can't believe this
615
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:16.880
is happening. Yeah, five years over gonna say that. You know,
616
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:19.480
I'm just always joking about how young shit, But I
617
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:21.800
do think about it. It's like, what when would be
618
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:26.880
appropriate for her to watch that? Yeah, I really strong
619
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:32.000
female characters like are always my favorite. Those are my
620
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:35.079
favorite movies. I just always gravitate to those, the resident
621
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.840
even movies. A Yeah, that's just I'm always gonna be
622
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:46.639
especially when it's like strong doesn't necessarily mean sexualized. Sure,
623
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:52.960
you know, it's like we recently watched Prey and I was,
624
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:58.280
I mean so late to the game, but I absolutely
625
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.239
loved it. Like that was another thing put on the
626
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:05.440
list of like man, sure, it's like what a cool character,
627
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:07.719
Like I was just gonna say.
628
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.079
You notice that a lot of these films that have
629
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:15.880
the strong female characters tend to be genre films, you know, Yes,
630
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:18.760
which I mean I guess makes sense, but like, we
631
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:22.719
don't see a lot of action films with strong female characters,
632
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.920
but in terms of like sci fi and horror, I
633
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:27.280
feel like it's pretty common.
634
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.679
There's an alien, you know that's on the list. Right, yeah,
635
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:35.000
Oh yeah, that's then these are all movies where it's
636
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.519
like I my wife reminds me all the time, She's like,
637
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:42.559
you were pretty young when you saw those movies. Yeah,
638
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:46.239
if I'm not mistaken, half the time you had trouble sleeping.
639
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:51.199
That was It's part of the whole adventure in a way.
640
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:54.800
Yeah, Like I think, I think in a way, you
641
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.800
kind of have to give your daughter like a.
642
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.880
Little bit harsher than she maybe just a little bit
643
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:03.920
like a of course, you know what.
644
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:07.559
I mean, just to have her go like whoa, especially
645
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:09.559
to have her go whoa and talk to.
646
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:12.280
You about it exactly. Yeah, Like just.
647
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:14.800
Just tell her like whatever you're uncomfortable with, talk to
648
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:17.079
me about it, and then she'll turn to me like, Dad,
649
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:18.960
let's have a conversation, you know.
650
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:20.199
And that's what.
651
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.239
Gets the ball rolling, because I think kids what was
652
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:26.719
wrong was parents showing kids like messed up movies and
653
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:28.440
then not having those conversations.
654
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.519
That's, oh, for sure. A lot of the problems. I think.
655
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:33.039
That's so funny you say that because a lot of
656
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:36.320
the problems I think came from me seeing these things
657
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:41.480
by myself. Okay, because like again, being the black sheep
658
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:43.320
It wasn't like I was going to get my parents
659
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.639
to watch a lot of these things. But you know,
660
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:50.519
oh man, I remember I was way too young to
661
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:54.559
bring Robo cap home. Oh when that when ED two
662
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:58.199
o nine blows that first guy up, I was I
663
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:01.559
went white in the face. I just basement And I
664
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:04.320
couldn't go tell my parents that the movie that I'd
665
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.559
been begging them to let me rent to. You know,
666
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:11.960
this really did require no matter how well they knew
667
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.599
me at the store, like no, you're Chris, you need
668
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:17.559
your mom or dad to be here, like this is RoboCop.
669
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:20.199
So there was no way I was going to go
670
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:24.559
to them be like mom, Like, I was up all
671
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:26.880
night just thinking about that guy. And then I realized
672
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:28.840
the next day was like there's there's the only way
673
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:30.800
out is through I have to see this movie. And
674
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.679
then you watch it, and it was just like again
675
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:36.840
going back to the whole uh looking at the video
676
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:42.519
store box and kind of imagining a movie that's worse
677
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:46.679
than what it actually is or crazier than it actually is,
678
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:51.320
brain dead or dead alive. Oh yeah, Like I would
679
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.239
see the cover of that I and every time I
680
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.280
would walk by it, it caught my eye obviously, the
681
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.840
eyes on in the mouth and everything. Oh and I
682
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.320
would just come home and it would just flash in
683
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:06.320
my head every so often, like an obsessive thought of
684
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.760
like this movie and then looking at the back of
685
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:11.800
the hand coming out of the guy's chest, not realizing,
686
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:14.119
you know, eventually I see the movie and it's it's
687
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:17.320
Looney Tunes. It's the it's the best, right. So yeah,
688
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:19.280
but that doesn't he doesn't say that on the box,
689
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:24.000
like everything you see here is funny, it's very I
690
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:26.840
was like, that's the idea of dead people coming out
691
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.159
of my body is scary. I don't think it's not
692
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:30.039
the idea of the movie.
693
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:32.880
Oh wait, wait, which one did you see first, RoboCop
694
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:33.639
or Dead Alive?
695
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.519
Oh? RoboCop for sure. Yeah, Okay.
696
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.719
I think it's fair to say that RoboCop did prime
697
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:43.880
you a bit because you saw like a brutal kill
698
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.719
in that moment, and in a way you're like, I
699
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.920
have to face this on if you saw I think
700
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.719
if you saw Dead Alive first, you'd be a little
701
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.280
bit more like, WHOA, I don't know.
702
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:55.119
How to handle this.
703
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.280
Yeah, I think RoboCop broke you in a little bit.
704
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:01.599
I think so too, I think for hoven was it
705
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:04.559
was good to watch early. Not that I want to
706
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:08.119
show my daughter any for hooven Na early on, but yeah, I.
707
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:11.719
Saw RoboCop actually pretty late. I think I saw it
708
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:15.480
in my late twenties. To tell you the truth, it
709
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:17.920
actually helped me. I mean, like, I'm sure it would
710
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:20.440
have liked it as a kid, but I think seeing
711
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:24.559
it now, knowing more of the satirical side of Erhoven,
712
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:30.199
it made it kind of become like a bigger film
713
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:33.440
to me, not just like a piece of genre schlock
714
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:36.119
in a way, you know, because it is really like
715
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:40.719
a very intelligent film underneath. But it's like, as a kid,
716
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.000
I think I would have needed a few viewings to
717
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.760
really get that, Whereas seeing it like in my late twenties,
718
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:47.320
I was like, immediately, there.
719
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:51.840
Is that for sure. Absolutely. I think that whole only
720
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:55.360
way out is through mentality was one of the ways
721
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:58.519
where like, I'm forcing myself at that young age to
722
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:01.360
understand what I'm watching, and I eventually got there and
723
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:03.960
I realized, oh, this guy's you know. I think it's
724
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.679
much more obvious in when you're younger and you watch
725
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:14.320
Starship Troopers. Oh it's a little more obvious, the satirical aspects,
726
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:18.800
the TV interstitials and everything, but with RoboCop and it's
727
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:20.639
been a minute I've seen it, but it did feel
728
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:23.320
I don't know, and I think it's the fact that
729
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:27.039
it's human on human violence versus the bugs, which was
730
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:34.159
just I loved bug stuff like that was well, of course, yeah,
731
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:38.159
it's funny. I know the movies vague, but I feel
732
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:42.119
like it's the story's there, like to the point where
733
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:44.559
my sister was able to explain it to my mom
734
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.639
on the way home when they went to the premiere,
735
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:51.119
and then out of everyone, my sister got it. She again,
736
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:54.119
not that she's dummy or anything, but I was really
737
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:56.840
surprised because she's not the kind of person to watch
738
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.599
anything that's not on let's say Disney Plus or you know, Netflix,
739
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:04.400
right like this is this is pretty pretty far out
740
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:09.440
stuff for for her. And yet you know, she really
741
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.159
picked it up, like she she read the story completely.
742
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.760
She understood, like, oh, it's she's stolen the ship. The
743
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:22.000
ship is reset from you know, an angry AI to
744
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:26.639
like back to childhood essentially, and now she has to
745
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:30.639
deal with it. And while dealing with this broach that
746
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.360
took out the town that she that imploded under her feet,
747
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:40.960
so that she and she again she like she understood
748
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:45.360
it completely. It's not giving you the story very directly
749
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:46.199
in that sense.
750
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.679
Yeah, there's not really exposition, which I am a fan of.
751
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:56.519
I like, no exposition, isn't it possible? Yeah, because it
752
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:58.360
just kind of get drops you in the moment.
753
00:45:58.480 --> 00:45:58.760
Really.
754
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:01.440
I think that when I wrote my review on Letterbox,
755
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:04.199
I kind of summed it up as like a girl
756
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.639
is in a spaceship. It's in I mean, this is
757
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:09.880
a whole other thing to get into, but like a
758
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:13.320
kind of fictional setting of Japan in nineteen ninety six,
759
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:16.960
is it that's been like completely, Like it's like a
760
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:22.639
wasteland now and she's lying through and she encounters.
761
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:25.719
Like a creature. That's what I thought. It was a creature.
762
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:30.000
But essentially it was a spaceship, the spaceship itself, right right.
763
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:35.480
It's funny because there's a three minute black overture, right
764
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:40.159
oh right, right right. And part of that was because
765
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:45.239
I love I love an overture. I think more need overtures,
766
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:47.679
like even just like yeah two and one style of
767
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:51.440
just how some music, how how how it used to be?
768
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.599
You know, just that That's the one aspect of really
769
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:56.719
uh like older movies that I really enjoy is that
770
00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.800
idea of like, uh, you turn the moon Beyon and
771
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:03.559
like people can still kind of come in. It's not
772
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.840
like press play. We have to be there, right, there's
773
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.800
something easing in, So that was kind of the idea.
774
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:14.039
But also to save animation time and money, as you
775
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.199
can tell the movies, you could file it under limited animation,
776
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:24.039
and the idea of animating and imploding township is you know,
777
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:29.159
that would blow the budget of the whole the time
778
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.199
and you know, whatever money and putting into it.
779
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.440
But you could do the sound design of it.
780
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:40.199
Exactly so, which is why you hear the crumbling and everything,
781
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.480
and then the ship fly by and that's when the
782
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:47.400
credits start. So you're kind of being dropped into it
783
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:51.280
early on, just with the noise and the static and everything.
784
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:57.400
So yeah, yeah, there's a lot of stripping things down
785
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:03.159
in this movie, almost to the point of abstraction. And
786
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:08.440
it's not really serving maybe myself as as a storyteller
787
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:11.280
to be stripping it down this much. But that's kind
788
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.719
of what I'm always looking for in especially movies I
789
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:16.719
watch now. It's so interesting I'm looking for such a
790
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:22.960
particular experience these days that it's just increasingly hard to
791
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:28.199
find movies that I mess with. And the last one
792
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:31.639
I watched that I really loved a few days ago
793
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:36.199
because I knew this would be a good purchase, because
794
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:40.559
I absolutely loved Fun and Games for Everyone by saraes Bart.
795
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:45.079
He made three films in nineteen sixty eight, and then
796
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:50.400
he just like disappeared and I found a YouTube video
797
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:55.840
of him. He converted to Islam, I believe, and he's
798
00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:01.440
some sort of teacher. He learned Arabic to UH study
799
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.639
the Koran. It's it's crazy, like he had a total
800
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.360
ship and with that came this idea, like a total
801
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:16.239
denunciation of the image, which he like abandoned his movies, which, Uh,
802
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:20.880
that's too bad. Which is that party? Just because those
803
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:23.039
three movies, Like I had seen Fun and Games for
804
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:27.000
Everyone and absolutely loved it. That was while I was
805
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:32.440
making Roach. Uh. And it's a movie about UH. Essentially,
806
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:37.760
it's just a a gallery show showing off these ten
807
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:41.320
minimalist paintings. At the time, uh, and the painter didn't
808
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:43.360
know that this film crew was coming into film it.
809
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:50.079
But he uses this like it's like a really high
810
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:54.199
contrast film, so you're getting white or black, that's all
811
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:59.400
you're getting and and nothing in between. So so faces
812
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:03.960
just blur in and out. It's almost like proto cell
813
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:06.880
shading in that way, right, Like it just gives this
814
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:11.239
texture to the image. I love it so much that
815
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:15.079
plus the film grain right, And so I knew buying
816
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:18.880
the other two movies along with that would be, you know,
817
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:21.639
a good investment for me, and and it paid off.
818
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:28.280
I watched his other movie Here and Now, and yeah, wow,
819
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.760
just again like not the kind of movie I would
820
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.039
be like, hey, everyone, let's sit around and watch this,
821
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.480
but because it's very stark and very but it's yeah,
822
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:42.079
it just it was my vibe. Like I absolutely loved it.
823
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.559
But again, it's like it's really hard to find movies
824
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:50.599
that I really love these days, you know. Yeah, and
825
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:52.800
it takes me a long time to get into the
826
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:56.599
mood to watch like a regular movie, I guess, if
827
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.199
that makes sense, and not one that's just like a
828
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:02.519
James Benning film or something a little you know, it
829
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.440
sounds so pretentious, but it's literally just a moon thing.
830
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:10.719
Like I get I get exhausted very easily by the
831
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:14.519
you know that I don't know's we'll survive. I'm on
832
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:14.880
right now.
833
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.599
You're you're in like a you're in like a creative
834
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:20.239
spot right now where these are the things feeding you
835
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:21.800
the most exactly.
836
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.559
That's exactly what it is, because I'm not I mean,
837
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:27.800
I just recently watched U Malignant for the first time,
838
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:34.679
absolutely absolutely loved it. So it's not like I can't
839
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:37.760
enjoy a real time. I was actually shocked that I
840
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:41.679
was talking to other people I know who have wholly
841
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:45.159
heard like that about that movie. I just who said
842
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.199
anything bad. A bunch of people didn't like it. I'm
843
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:51.360
glad I didn't hear that because I just went in.
844
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:53.840
Blind and it's very audacious.
845
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:58.280
Oh yeah, that's that's if I'm going to watch something
846
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.159
that's made by a udio and like a bunch of people,
847
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:04.199
it's like I wanted to be crazy, you know. Yeah,
848
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:06.760
well my real life to be real life to be boring,
849
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:10.079
and my movies be crazy any kind of in between.
850
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:12.239
That's fair, that's fair, you know.
851
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:16.280
But you were talking about trying to bring roach down
852
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:22.599
to like the most starkest minimal image, you know, sound
853
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:26.480
you can, and I think you know, for me, like
854
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:29.599
that kind of thing is like a hit or miss.
855
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:31.559
But I think why it worked so well for me
856
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:35.360
was because it was like had such a perfect rhythm
857
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:36.119
to it, you know.
858
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:37.320
And I think.
859
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:41.039
That that speaks to like you as an editor, but
860
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:44.239
also you as a musician, right, And I'm just curious,
861
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.519
like how do those kind of intertwine for you, like
862
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:50.360
when you edit something and and not just you know,
863
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:53.039
this film, but like you know, I understand you're an
864
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:57.920
editor on for like like YouTube channel videos and other stuff,
865
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.199
you know, So I'm just curious like how they kind
866
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.119
of feed back and forth if at all.
867
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:06.719
Oh, for sure. Well, it's interesting because I like to
868
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:13.199
edit blind. For one of the I like to do
869
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:17.039
it just by sound, and so I'll do you know,
870
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:21.039
let's say I'll have a timeline with a version one.
871
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:27.360
I'll then go through with no video and just listen, yeah,
872
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:31.280
and if it doesn't sound if it if something sounds off,
873
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:33.920
then you know, I'll go and address it. It could
874
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:36.039
be something like a pop or a click or something
875
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.960
that just takes me out completely, right. But I also
876
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.280
kind of find that because I I I do that,
877
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:46.960
and I'm what you would call a YouTube power user
878
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.039
in the sense that because I work for a lot
879
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:53.280
of YouTubers and do a bunch of different types of
880
00:53:53.760 --> 00:54:00.400
videos for YouTubers. I'm I'm always the windows always open, right,
881
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:05.400
and I'm always paying attention. And I think because I
882
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:10.920
listened to more videos than I actually watch. That's a
883
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:14.239
big aspect where you know, the videos themselves have to
884
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:18.599
be good for the background, right. You don't want something
885
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:24.159
that's like taking the attention away in a negative way, right, Sure,
886
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:29.559
you almost wanted to be good enough to become background noise,
887
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:32.079
if that makes any sense at all, but also good
888
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.639
enough that you can listen to it, get all of
889
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:39.800
the context that you need and enjoy it. So yeah,
890
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:45.039
Like I approach the movie that way because if I
891
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:47.760
were to release a soundtrack of it, like a full
892
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:50.079
it would probably just be the audio of the movie,
893
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:52.719
like the Eraserhead soundtrack, right, Like that's kind of how
894
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:56.199
I approach Okay, that idea.
895
00:54:56.559 --> 00:55:01.559
Yeah, yeah, Well, the soundscapes in it sounded like music
896
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:05.480
to me, but only because like I've had I've listened
897
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:07.559
to stuff like murders by how you know what I mean?
898
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:11.840
Like if you're if you're you know, familiar with noise
899
00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:16.000
music and drone and ambient music, does the film itself
900
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:18.159
just sounds almost like an ambient album.
901
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:21.880
Oh yeah, it's like, uh well I took the idea
902
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.719
of like Sun, you know how they were ready he's longer,
903
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:30.719
uh drone kind of and and you know with with
904
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:33.639
Gaspar and no way going back to that, that really
905
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:37.800
got me into other artists that utilized stroke, like Tony Conrad,
906
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:40.320
and that's how I fell in love with Tony Conrad
907
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:44.800
and and also his explorations of of long drone pieces
908
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:49.679
and stuff like that. Right, So that plus Sun, you know,
909
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:54.639
I was I've been listening to uh just really long
910
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:58.079
ambient pieces of a drawn out note or or just
911
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.559
a texture, right, I really love that. So the approach
912
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:06.119
was like you can almost hear the sixty hurts hum,
913
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:09.679
which is a beef flat right, you can eat at
914
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:12.000
the ground loop, right, Like you can hear that throughout
915
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:13.880
the movie. And I was using that as the instrument,
916
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:17.440
like it would come in and out during the overture.
917
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:20.360
I would I increased it and use that as the
918
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:23.960
kind of deep note, you know, the drone and just
919
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.199
increase the volume on that. And then you know, when
920
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.440
she's following the Sun, you know, start introducing that drone
921
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:35.400
back again, and it's literally just the like I down
922
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:40.880
pitched the sixty hurts. Hum. Yeah, So I think I
923
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:45.039
could be wrong. I think it's supposed to be be flat.
924
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:47.400
I think in the movie it's a little bit lower
925
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:49.960
because we're deal, we're like messing around with the pitch
926
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:51.960
bending and stuff like that. Right when I gave it
927
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:55.880
to my buddy Hartly, he just bounced it to a
928
00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:59.719
rotten VHS tape and really played with pitch and warble
929
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:07.079
and like analog he did. Sweet. Yeah. A lot of
930
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.960
the green and stuff too, is not digital. Like I I.
931
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:14.239
I was playing around with a lot of plugins that
932
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:18.760
say that they're like the ultimate VHS plug in and
933
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.519
mimics all the tra there. No, So a lot of
934
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:28.119
those were either my own tapes being fed in or
935
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:36.039
digitally digital digitizing my own tapes, or finding sources online
936
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:39.840
of just people that there's let me tell you, there's
937
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.880
some pretty strange communities on YouTube and and some of
938
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:50.079
them just upload blank tapes that they just blank tapes.
939
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:53.920
And so I feel like, like, uh literally just like
940
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:59.079
recorded black for for like or on a VHS tape
941
00:57:59.119 --> 00:57:59.920
so that you can have to.
942
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:02.920
And it wasn't even you know, because I see that
943
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:06.199
and I'm like, wow, that's a that's a perfect asset
944
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:07.840
because of the black you know, you can apply that
945
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:10.480
to video and stuff the problem. But they weren't even
946
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:12.760
putting it up for that. I think it was just
947
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:16.199
kind of like, hey, look it's you know, I've went
948
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:18.400
down a rabbit hole. So a lot of my YouTube
949
00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:23.360
is like video degradation examples. Someone's just like and now
950
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:27.599
I'm recording a Rick Eisley music video to a seventh
951
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.880
generation tape and then he and it goes and goes
952
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:34.159
and goes, and then it just becomes you know, beautiful shit.
953
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:39.559
But I have a friend that lives in Montreal who
954
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:42.280
is amazing with that stuff. I think he's been doing
955
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:46.360
it for like over fifteen years now names Rob Fulner,
956
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:52.719
and I think his artist's name is Blue. What he's
957
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:55.280
done stuff for like Adult Swim, he did stuff for
958
00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:59.639
me when I was doing music. And he just works
959
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:04.280
with like analog tapes these as like you know, video
960
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:08.320
installations or live performances and stuff like that. So yeah,
961
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:12.679
it's cool like seeing someone do something more analog like that.
962
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:16.800
There's definitely a certain sort of like heft to it.
963
00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:18.880
You know. Yeah, for sure forgetting.
964
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.320
So that's cool to find out that Roach kind of
965
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:23.760
went through that process at some point as well, you know,
966
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:27.239
oh definitely, yeah, which I think it really brings out
967
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:30.679
the music musical aspect for me, you know, like I
968
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:32.840
feel like it's a good way to kind of sell
969
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:36.079
Roach to people, is like there is this element of
970
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.800
it that's like it's almost like a music video.
971
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:42.239
But yeah, yeah, you know, and that's I grew up
972
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:44.159
at a time when a lot of music videos were
973
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:48.800
becoming or music video directors were becoming feature directors right
974
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:52.280
and making some pretty weird stuff. Like I always I
975
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.199
always knew I wanted to be an editor, and I
976
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:58.800
always messed around with stuff at home, you know, any
977
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:01.840
kind of video production stuff I could. Yeah, you know,
978
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:07.159
always I was aware of editing. But I attribute that
979
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:10.360
to like I grew up at a time when editing
980
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:14.440
was like the star of a lot of major movies
981
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:18.440
in the two thousands. Like, so as soon as things
982
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:21.360
became digital, I feel like all the you know, the
983
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:25.840
Tony Scott movies insane like things that you could not
984
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.920
do on film. Yeah, you know, suddenly you have seventeen
985
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:33.239
edits and once it's just the most insane shit happening.
986
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:37.440
And I really I attribute my conscious you know, being
987
01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:41.440
conscious of editing because of how you know, Balls to
988
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:43.920
the Wall, a lot of the two thousands, especially like
989
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:48.639
action movies at the time. Yeah, I you know, And
990
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:52.559
it's funny because like certain certain movies escape me. But
991
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:57.039
like even stylistically, like phone Booth comes to mind, you know,
992
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:01.719
the use of split screens and all this kind of stuff,
993
01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:05.519
you know, just really playing with the composition and getting
994
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:06.440
really nuts with it.
995
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:10.719
But on the flip side, I think another thing that
996
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:14.199
really influenced editing was Tim and Eric.
997
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:16.880
Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
998
01:01:18.199 --> 01:01:21.679
The way that that show is edited, I think completely
999
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:22.519
changed the game.
1000
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:27.559
You know. Yeah, I remember bringing those DVDs over because
1001
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:31.639
again working at the video store, when they would bring
1002
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:36.119
videos in or DVDs, you could also ask them to
1003
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:41.519
order specifically from their warehouse. And after a while, my
1004
01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:44.119
manager's like, Chris, what the hell is it like because
1005
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:47.000
I was ordering all this adult swim stuff. Oh yeah,
1006
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:49.880
And so I was building, like as the seasons were
1007
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.320
coming out, I was building my Tim Andary collection and
1008
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:57.119
showing them the friends and you know, realizing like this
1009
01:01:57.199 --> 01:02:03.320
is a new type of language that were being uh yeah,
1010
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:05.239
you know, comedic language, but also just like on an
1011
01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:09.079
editing from an editing standpoint, like leaving the long pauses
1012
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:12.920
in all this kind of awkward cutting, making you aware
1013
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:16.679
of of you know, uh mistakes and stuff like that.
1014
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:19.760
It was really yeah, things could fall apart at any
1015
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:21.559
moment and giving it it's like sense.
1016
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:26.079
It's very like expressive editing and comedy, which I think
1017
01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:30.719
up until that point, comedy had been largely a format
1018
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:33.519
where you just get the comedians and the and the
1019
01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:36.519
written jokes, you know, and you just watch it.
1020
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.400
Do you know what I mean? Like you just have
1021
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:40.760
like a basic like master shot. Yeah.
1022
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:43.760
Absolutely, like certain cuts whereas like tim and air came
1023
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:48.159
and it's like, no, we're gonna finesse something using these hiccups,
1024
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:51.719
using this grain, using the pauses, like as you said,
1025
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:51.960
you know.
1026
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:54.480
So yeah, I feel like we're touching on.
1027
01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:58.199
So much stuff that really feeds into approach and uh
1028
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.920
I you know, I I do understand we have limits
1029
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:04.079
with time and everything. I feel like I could just
1030
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:06.639
keep talking to you about like four thousand other things.
1031
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:09.639
So obviously, Chris, you'll come back at some point.
1032
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:10.199
I'd love to.
1033
01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:12.039
Well, you got to get to the questionnaire and then
1034
01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:13.159
I'll let you get on your way.
1035
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:14.280
Right.
1036
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:20.039
What is one item you can't live without? Sharpie twin tip.
1037
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:25.239
Sharp I was like, would you call me?
1038
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:33.519
I mean, you can see how roaches? But like my
1039
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:37.400
note pad I have, like ever since I started shoot
1040
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:40.920
video too, I have just note pads that are just
1041
01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:46.039
amazing black and read. Oh I love that one. My
1042
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:50.960
clients called it like a bathroom graffiti, but in a
1043
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:55.599
good way. Yeah. So I can't live without my notebook
1044
01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:57.760
and my twin tips. And that's what I used to
1045
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:01.800
draw too, So I just have a pencil box full
1046
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:08.440
of dying twin tips, and so one of my arm
1047
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:11.239
is using these dying ones. So yeah, oh cool.
1048
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:13.840
It gives you like a little like a shading, makes
1049
01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:15.199
it even more messed up looking.
1050
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:16.280
Yeah, for sure.
1051
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.559
What was the last great movie you saw in theaters?
1052
01:04:21.519 --> 01:04:25.440
Abro Drift? Since the pandemic, I haven't seen a lot
1053
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:28.199
of movies in theaters, but I actually I live on
1054
01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:31.320
Vancouver Island, but I traveled with my buddy to Seattle
1055
01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:34.280
to see that movie, not knowing that it was about
1056
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:37.559
to come out digitally a month later. I think it was.
1057
01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:41.280
But honestly, one of the best movie theater experiences I've
1058
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:46.519
ever had, so and that movie remains my favorite of
1059
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:52.039
the decades so far, of the twenty twenties. Yeah, wow,
1060
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:56.400
I'm really huge it. Yeah. I love that ok so much.
1061
01:04:56.440 --> 01:04:57.840
I could talk about it forever.
1062
01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:02.280
Okay, yeah maybe and I got another episode? Yeah right, yeah,
1063
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:04.480
I'll see it first. I'm not even a big harmony
1064
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:07.199
Korean guy, but that movie just did it.
1065
01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:10.440
Did it for me. I don't know what Yeah, yeah, sure,
1066
01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:11.679
I know what it is. I talk about it for hours.
1067
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:18.280
What was the last great concert you went to? Uh?
1068
01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:23.199
Oh uh rice ki Kiyasu the snare drummer.
1069
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:28.199
I oh, okay, yeah yeah when you said, I thought
1070
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:29.559
you were saying Rice Cake.
1071
01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:32.360
Sorry my bad.
1072
01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:34.280
I gotta maybe cut that out. That makes me sound
1073
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:35.920
like an ass.
1074
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:40.320
Yeah no, I am Rice. So I I got to
1075
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:47.000
perform alongside him uh in Victorious uh and uh. I
1076
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:50.000
mean it's always a pleasure to watch him work. Yeah
1077
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:53.559
and uh an even bigger pleasure to to be able
1078
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:56.400
to ride the ferry with him, uh and talk to
1079
01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:58.559
him about all this, because man, what a life he's
1080
01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:01.960
He's incredible. But yeah, that was the last show that
1081
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:07.239
really blew my mind was yeah, January.
1082
01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:11.000
Yeah, he came here in Toronto where I am, and
1083
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:14.000
I missed it, but I've seen all the clips and
1084
01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:17.599
it looks amazing, just like kind of like a harsh
1085
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:20.119
noise set with just a snare, right.
1086
01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:25.079
It's so interesting. Yeah. Someone put it as like you
1087
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:28.039
come in with all these preconceived notions and then all
1088
01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:30.840
of your pretensions drop as soon as the performance starts
1089
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:33.840
and you can see everyone just they're so into it
1090
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:36.159
by the end, and I think you get so many
1091
01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:39.760
negative comments, and I don't think any of those negative
1092
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:41.679
comments are from people that have actually been in the
1093
01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:43.440
same room, because once you're in the room and you
1094
01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:46.960
experience it, it's something else entirely, and you realize that
1095
01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:51.320
no people are reacting in a very natural way because
1096
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:58.519
this is this is something very interesting and primal and pure.
1097
01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:01.039
I think it's it's it's all going back to that hole.
1098
01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:05.400
I'm looking for the purest art. I'm kind of trying
1099
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.639
to make the purest art, like stripping everything down to
1100
01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:13.039
its bare minimum in order to have maximal results. And
1101
01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:16.079
I think he exemplifies that in a lot of ways.
1102
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:21.039
I really respect him amazing. Next time he comes, we'll definitely.
1103
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:22.480
Go Oh, it's amazing.
1104
01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:25.920
What was the last great book you read?
1105
01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:35.079
Oh? Trip by Tawlin. I really enjoyed that. Tawlan. You know,
1106
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:37.960
for all his controversy and everything, I do have to
1107
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:41.360
attribute him to getting me back into reading in my
1108
01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:44.039
early twenties. I was not reading for a few years.
1109
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:49.280
And his book Shoplifting from American Apparel literally that book
1110
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:53.199
like again kind of like the sleep Pazard House experience,
1111
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:55.280
Like I'm reading this, I'm like, you can do this,
1112
01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:58.800
this is crazy, Like because I grew loving Hemingway books,
1113
01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:01.360
like really love Old Man and Sea as a kid
1114
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:04.480
was like one of my favorite books ever. Loved it,
1115
01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:05.360
read it all the time.
1116
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:09.079
And so I like, how old were you when you
1117
01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:09.760
liked that book?
1118
01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:13.079
Grade four? It's the first time I read it. Yeah,
1119
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:15.360
I got my aunt gave it to gave me a
1120
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:18.439
few of Hemyway's books, like a complete short story collection
1121
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:21.520
and then a few of U I never really got
1122
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:26.560
into the For Whom the Bell Tolls and you know, uh,
1123
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:30.079
Farewell to Arms and stuff like those were not for me,
1124
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:33.079
but like The Sun Alter Rises, really enjoyed it. But
1125
01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:36.239
the short story Collection and Old Man in the Sea.
1126
01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:39.880
Was like, oh, this is uh in our times? Is
1127
01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:41.119
that what's called in our Times?
1128
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:44.600
I think? Uh? Which was a short story collection? The
1129
01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:48.039
short story collection, Oh it's I think there might be
1130
01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:50.960
a collection called that. But she got me this book
1131
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:53.640
that was like, I still have it on my shelf.
1132
01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:56.760
It's oh ange, you know, I would carry it around
1133
01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:59.680
and there's stains on because it's a hardcover. Right. Nice.
1134
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:05.279
But because you bring it to elementary school, right, things
1135
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:07.760
are going to get kind of messed up. Yeah, no,
1136
01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:11.039
I so so towel In reminded me like, oh, you
1137
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:13.199
can say so much with so little and it can
1138
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:16.039
be so electric that he just made me fall in
1139
01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:20.239
love with books again. Which, yeah, so I've read his
1140
01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:23.680
It's a book about his experiences with a bunch of
1141
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:28.359
different drugs, mainly psychedelics, and then his relationship with Terrence
1142
01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:34.840
McKenna's family post death and him getting into and he
1143
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:41.960
was doing a Vice series. I think about Terrence Terrence mallock. Wow,
1144
01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:46.319
I'm totally McKenna. I can't believe I just brain parted
1145
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:49.319
like that so hard. But yeah, and then it eventually
1146
01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:52.800
led to this book, which I thought was very fun.
1147
01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:58.119
It has a section where he's bouncing between a being
1148
01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:02.760
part of a jury duty case, and then a bunch
1149
01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:06.600
of drug experiences that he then he's thinking he's being
1150
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:09.000
followed by the c I A at somebody. It's really fun.
1151
01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:13.159
Yeah a lot cool. Sounds good. I'll have to look
1152
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:14.960
that one up. Okay.
1153
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:18.840
For his final meal, John Wayne Gacy picked KFC chicken,
1154
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:22.800
shrimp and strawberries for your final meal before being executed.
1155
01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:27.119
What would you? Okay? So why am I being executed?
1156
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:42.000
I yeah, literally like to have his uh problem. Damn.
1157
01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:45.960
That's a good queste man, that okase, because like I'm
1158
01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:48.720
still dealing with the facts. I'm dying without knowing what
1159
01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:53.720
would show you up? Then, as long as I have
1160
01:10:54.560 --> 01:11:01.399
and chicken, you know, I'll get food honestly, probably Korean food. Yeah,
1161
01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:05.079
like just like all the cream fried chicken.
1162
01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:09.319
Like beat bib baby oh yeah, which looks so crazy.
1163
01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:13.640
Yeah, okay, we're buying the whole restaurant. Nice any drink
1164
01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:17.079
and he dessert. I mean, if it's my last meal,
1165
01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:22.079
I'm not gonna be worried about calories. So nah, root
1166
01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:27.159
beer straight, Okay, I going crazy with it? Yeah, why not?
1167
01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:30.159
I might even put ice cream in it already tastes
1168
01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:33.000
like it has But I'm just put ice cream in there.
1169
01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:39.840
Straw just just like slam it back, you know, I
1170
01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:46.720
love Okay, final question, Can art go too far?
1171
01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:57.159
No, I guess not. I would never want to put
1172
01:11:57.159 --> 01:11:59.439
a rule set on it. I just know I'm such
1173
01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:04.039
a I'm such a g rated you know, despite wanting
1174
01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:08.239
to see you know, super violent movies and stuff. Again,
1175
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:10.199
I'm like such a I don't. I don't ever want
1176
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:15.399
to put anything even remotely you know, PG. Thirteen in
1177
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:20.159
the world that way. So for my personal like, I
1178
01:12:20.199 --> 01:12:23.600
would never breach certain subjects or do certain things. But
1179
01:12:23.720 --> 01:12:26.840
like that's absolutely you know, everyone has a reason to
1180
01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:30.159
use certain ingredients and subject matter and all that kind
1181
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:34.279
of stuff. And yeah, absolutely I do not think art
1182
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:38.520
can go too far. That's yeah, I do not think so.
1183
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:42.000
I think it's okay. Yeah, No, I like that.
1184
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:46.000
I mean, I it's interesting because when I have people
1185
01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:49.640
on that come from like the extreme horror world, they
1186
01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:52.760
tend to get into more of like a art can
1187
01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:56.720
go too far and you know this reason or that reason.
1188
01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:59.680
But when I get people on that are from like
1189
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:04.479
other realms of our you know, like yourself or like
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r you know what I mean.
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Like we'll say that if anyone's getting hurt. Yeah, yeah,
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like if anything or anyone is getting hurt in the
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process of artistic expression, then I'm probably gonna not mess
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with it. Uh. But I yeah, like if if it's
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subject matter like go nuts. And if it's yeah, absolutely
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there's as long as it's fake, as long as fake
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got hurt. Yeah, do you need what you want?
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Yeah, exactly, all right, Chris, I will let you go.
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But this has been a real pleasure and I definitely
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will get you back on I'll have all the links
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for roach, for shoot the video, whatever else you need.
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I will put the links in the description. And yeah,
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thank you so much.
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It was great. Yeah, thank you, and thanks for uh
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for for posting the review yesterday. I've got a painful
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of new viewers, which is always I think this is
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so awesome because it, you know, it puts my movie
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next to a lot of movies that people have grown
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up with in respect in our actual you know movie. Yes,
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it just there's no judgment that poster can sit next
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to it, no problem, right, And it's just yeah, whenever
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I see people put it on a list or something
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and I see it with other movies that I'm like,
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holy shit, that's a real movie. Yeah, it's it's like
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it's always so heartwarming, and so I think, you know,
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Letterbox is not not just for giving me some sort
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of validation, but I just think it's really wonderful that
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that exists and that you know, it's for the audience
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to decide if it's worthy or not in that sense,
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you know, you're not being inundated with like the studio
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information and all that kind of stuff. It's just a
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movie poster, the title, and then reviews underneath. And I
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think that's beautiful. Yeah.
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Yeah, you've said this word a few times. I'm in
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this interview canon and I think I think what you're
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getting at is like roach has been like canonized in
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a way. I think I think that's the word to
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use there. But yeah, I think that's a great feeling.
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So I'm glad to help contribute to that.
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Oh man, Yeah, I appreciate it so much. Yeah, you
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got it.
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Man, All right, good talking to you. Have a good night,
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enjoy your dinner.
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Absolutely.
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