Split Your Head - Season 4 - Ep. 62 - Interview with Steven Reifsteck (Janice.Click)

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Hello, and welcome to Split Your Head. I'm your host, Bob,
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and today's special guest is filmmaker Steven Riifstak.
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Did I say that right?
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Yeah? Actually, yes, that's all right.
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I'll continue.
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The head honcho behind janis dot Click, who specializes in
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some of the most mind melting shotam video flicks I've
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ever seen, always orbiting genres like comedy and horror. Stephen's
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signalar style defies easy categorization and possesses a specific sloppiness
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that is both electrifying and idiosyncratic. His crad pleasers like
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Shrek Crack and Fish Piss both had me scratching my
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head but leaning in closer between the laughs. And with
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his latest I Was a Teenage Gargoyle, he brings even
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more supernatural hijinks to the forefront to mingle with all
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of the juvenile buffoonery in Tonal Mayhem. This is really
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fascinating stuff, and I'm stoked to pick Steven's brain in
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the hopes that a flake or two might fall off
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and give me magic powers. Steven, how are.
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You doing great? Glad?
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Yeah, you got your liquid death. You know, it's a
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beautiful day.
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You're sitting on your couch and I'm hoping you're dreaming
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of your ideas of your next Janis Dot Click film.
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Actually, yeah, I'm literally gonna go edit Joshua probably today.
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I'll get off here yet.
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You know it's I'm glad you clarified that, because when
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I was looking through letterbox as trying to see, like,
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what was your first film, you know, because I know
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you did something in twenty eighteen, but Joshua right now
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is listed as your earliest film for some reason.
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Yeah, and I was one of who did that. It's uh,
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it's weird. The very first first thing I ever did
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was actually twenty sixteen. It was Jane Stott Click. I
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guess technically part one now. In that movie, we have
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a three minute segment with Joshua where we very first
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like introduced him. Oh so some people have thought, oh, okay,
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that that's, you know, the first thing we ever worked on.
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Oddly enough, actually, the very very very first thing I
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ever shot with this was a bit that I put
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into mcmurderer. I don't know if you've seen mcmurderer.
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No, no, I saw it on your big cartel and
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it looked amazing.
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But yeah, explained mcmurderer.
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Mcmurder isn't the first movie I ever did, but there's
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a bit in there where it's a uh it's the
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movie that Kyle watches that he jerks off to and
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it's an abortion uh video. That's the first thing we
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ever filmed, like ever. And then I remember we did it,
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and I was like, what the fuck do I do
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with this? I just said on it for like five
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years okay before putting that in uh mcburger, and I thought, oh, yeah,
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this will fit right there. But yeah, after that, we
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started working on jenas Dock click part one?
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What is jenas Dock click Part one? Then, because I
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don't think I came across that on letterbox.
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Yeah, I don't think it's on letter box. And I actually,
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you know, I'm so lazy. I haven't put a lot
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of my own stuff on letter box, which I really
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should because I probably, like there are four more I
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could add on there. But yeah, that and that was
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like when I very first got rca camcorder and I
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was just kind of experimenting, and there was like jan
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stock click was the idea of it's it's a website.
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But then I was starting to make these little short
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films I was going to put on the website. And
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originally we were going to trick people at like I
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don't know, truck stops or something to make them thickets
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like a porno website when they click on that. It
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takes a to these just weird, bizarre videos that we've
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made okay, and then with Jane SYDC click part one.
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The movie we just and I literally shot it on
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this VHS I recorded over and it was like safety
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power tool video and I would like fast forward a
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little bit. Little snippets of it are still in the
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Cyclic part one. Yeah, and there are some weird shit
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in there. It's definitely like I wouldn't say it's like
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a movie. I guess there's a little bit of a story,
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like I kind of loosely was forming a story in there,
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but it's it's yeah, it's yeah.
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Well it's it's funny that you say that, because like,
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I don't know, I feel like this is too early
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to start diving into like the really freudian shit. But
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a lot of your films that at least the ones
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that I watched, there is sort of like this weird
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sexual element that I'm just like, where is this coming from?
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What is this trying to say? You know, it's really like, okay,
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Like church Wine was the one I finished this morning,
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which maybe was my favorite, like it had kind of
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the most interesting story to it, but there's all these
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scenes in it that are like, is this almost like
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like leaning towards like a porn scene or something like
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what is going on?
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You know?
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But then you're saying that, like the initial idea of
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Janis stock click was like tricking truck drivers into thinking
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that they were gonna watch porn.
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Yeah that's I mean, that's Originally I was going to
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call it Janis dot com. But whenever I got on
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like go Daddy to buy the domain, jance dot com
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was like four thousand dollars. I was like fuck no this.
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I was like, I'm not paying for yeah domain, there's
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a ten dollars And I was like, change the name
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of the whole projects because of ten dollars.
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Yeah, is Janis somebody? Like is she like a woman
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that you had like a crush on or something like?
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Where does this name come from?
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I don't know. I literally made up Jani's one night
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when we're like whenever we're first working on the mood
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stuff the tricking people, because originally it was like I
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was wearing a wig and I turn around and it's
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and it's me and I, you know, I got mustache
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stuff and I was like, oh, hey, it's me Jane's.
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I just made that up on the stuff.
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I don't know, okay, but but I mean, like I
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get the sense that a lot of the jokes and
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the ideas are kind of made like very spur of
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the moment, as you say, like you're kind of just
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like reaching for it. But have you ever sat down
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to kind of like decode everything, like why why are
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these patterns popping up in my films?
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Like yeah, I don't know, and like it's What's funny
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is like some other podcasts that I've been on her
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that I have, like reviews some of my moves, they
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like deep dive and they like they're like, oh it
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means this and this I guess to be said, so dude,
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and the like there might be some truth to some
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stuff that like subconsciously I'm just like letting now, Like
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I work a lot, and I've worked at social work
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for ten years now, so also this project has been
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going on for ten years, and there's been times where
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I'm at social work. You know, I was a case worker,
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I was. I worked at this facility when I very
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first started Janeus. I also started working, you know, four
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months before I started the Janus film at facility those
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for people that are got a lot of mental illness
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and stuff, but they're also very like, uh, they're independent,
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it's called independent living, but they need additional support. So
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I would you know, I've been in office and somebody
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would come in and be like, hey, come help me
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with this.
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This.
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I like would go in and educate people on things,
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but a lot of times people would be so fucking
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mean to me, like because it's they're going through it,
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so it's not you know, like oftentimes later on, I'd
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be like, hey, we should talk about this. Maybe not now.
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There's a guy in a wheelchair that uh he would
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just scream at me, like this old hippie guy and
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he was very nice, but like the second I had
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to tell him now about something like I can't cook
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your food, but I can show you how to cook
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because I have to educate you on this, you're like
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your mother fucking talking about Just absorb that and then
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maybe it comes out through Janis later on.
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Okay, Yeah, I could definitely.
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I could definitely see that with like fish Piss, because
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Fish Piss had Fish Piss was dark. I was like, you,
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I think you told me that that was either your
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favorite film or your best film.
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Rights yeah, that it is my favorite. I do actually
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have a fish Spist tattoo right here.
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Yeah, that's amazing, holy shit.
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Oh yeah, that's my favorite one easily. But it's also
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I think it's like a crowd favorite, like in a
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weird way too. It's it's my favorite, and it's also
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like it haunts me sometimes because like it feels like
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I'm always judged by it too, like as far as
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like oh, like my next my new film comes out
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and then I'm like, oh man, but people didn't receive
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it as well as fish pists or like it's still like, yeah,
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I kind of go back to like sometimes you don't
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make your magnimopus on purpose of that, you know, you
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get kind of like I wanted this one to be the.
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Best one, right Well, I mean every time you make
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a film, you probably are trying to like do something
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new or push yourself more or something right, So, I
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mean it kind of makes me think of like whenever
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they talk to bands whose like best album might be
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from like two thousand and two, they're like, no, our
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new album's our favorite album, you know, but fans don't
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feel that way, right, So yeah.
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Absolutely, that's exactly. That's like a very good comparison.
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Yeah, well, you and you also like used to play
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in bands.
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Right, yep, yep. And I actually make a lot of
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the music for the movies and stuff like fish Pist
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I made. I think I made all of that music.
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There might be a song or two in there that
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I didn't make. I can't remember. I'm pretty sure I
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made a lot because I did a lot of like
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the Sport and stuff. Here. Lately, I've been using bands
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like Gargoyle. We use multiple other bands to I don't know.
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I try to kind of like you know, give them
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shout outs and whatnot to and get them memory.
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I actually after the film wrapped. I think it was
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in I was a teenage Gargoyle. There's one song I
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really liked. It was like Grindhouse.
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Babies or something.
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Right House Dropouts, Yeah, Grindhouse Dropouts. Yeah, that song was great.
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I was like, oh, I've never heard this before.
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They're good and yeah, I was gonna say, Acid Flashback
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at Nightmare Beach super good. And I've been talking to
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I mean, I love both of those bands, and Lannie
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from Acid Flashback at Nightmare Beach is like talking about
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making a little something for Joshua. I've just been selling
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clips and he's like, well, I think I could do
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this with that, so you might be making something.
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For that, you know, sweet so like they would be
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doing this score.
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We've talked about maybe a song here there. I'm not
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one hundred percent because again, like with Joshua too, I've
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been kind of taking my time with it. This is
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the first Joshua was the first movie I ever wrote
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like an actual script for and stuff and like following
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through like we have actual boom mic and stuff. So
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we're it's normally I just I could crank those movies out.
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I could like like Church Swine. I think I the
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next day had almost everything edited it, so I was
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like ready to go a little more Joshua. I'm very
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following you know, the formula and check it back to
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the script and then you know, come. So it's a
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lot of like I don't know what is going to
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happen here or there because of the music and stuff too.
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So yeah, so wait, so in all your previous films,
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like the dialogue was just improvised.
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need to hit this beat or that beat, and then
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otherwise like fish piss and there's a lot of that
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we just kind of made up on the fly, Like
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there was like an idea and there was me and
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Kyle and Draymond because it's mainly the three of us
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for fish Piss and we kind of have a couple
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other people pop in here and there, but yeah, we
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would just like we would pick up some ideas on
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the spot. There's actually one one day we were filming
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and I remember I think it's whatever, Like I'm on
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the ground, I'll play the fish monster and I come
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out of the water. I'm like laying on the ground
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and then Kyle's laying right beside me. He's like, fuck
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you motherfucker. We were just making all of that, like
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we had to stop and be like wait what is
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I was like, wait, this doesn't make it sense. Let's
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go back. I was like, wait, well earlier you said this,
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and he's like, oh yeah, you're.
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this like the plot on a big scale figured out right,
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Like you knew going into fish Pists that you wanted
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to be about a guy who gets addicted to fish
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piss and then kind of goes crazy because he has
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to kill people to feed them to a fish monster.
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Something like you kind of knew that it was before
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that you were going to make something like that.
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Kind of Actually, when we very first started, there is
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a there was going to be a Son of Sam
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element where that uh that so we had three different ways. Actually,
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there was one where it was going to be a
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sort of like a spoof off of I'll talk about
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trying to think of like Twilight Zone episode where like
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a guy wakes up and he's like, I've been obsessed
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with fishing my whole life. My family won't leave me alone,
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so I could just fish. And then he wakes up
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and then his family is fish like we're just gonna
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have all that stuff. Yeah, and then we decided to
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get sad because we're like, man, I want to buy
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a bunch of fish and like fuck up my house.
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This son of the Same element where it's the the big
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mouth billy Bass or whatever talking to people telling him
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who to kill next and all that stuff. But you
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could kind of see at the beginning where you know,
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like he's telling him like you got to move the body,
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John and all that stuff. Yeah, but there was kind
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of like slowly ditched that for like the fish piss
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element of like, oh, let's make it about drugs and stuff,
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you know, yeah was that?
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But okay, so fish Piss was after Shrek Crack, and
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Shrek Crack is also about like drug used to some extent, right.
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Or actually Shrek Crack is after Oh.
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Yeah, why did I think that it was the other
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way around?
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Okay, We've started filming Fish Piss and twenty two, I think,
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and then we released it the game of twenty three,
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and then Shrek Crack was the end of twenty three
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into twenty four like the beginning of twenty four. I
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whenever released Okay, yeah, well, and Shrek Crack we had
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and like maybe if there's any like reach, like if
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you were like looking at any of our instagram or
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like if you win doing research, truck Crag has been
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like an inside joke of ours for like for forever,
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like that's it's like twenty one we were like always
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making all these jokes about Shrek Crack, and we didn't
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again two. We had like all these different ideas, like
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what if he was doing drugs and there's like a
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sawhorse that's Donkey talking to him, and like we had
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this idea where the film and being black and white,
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but then Whenever spokes to crack it, like, yeah, go
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to the colors.
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Isn't there a scene in fish Piss where they show
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the racks of vhs with the Shreks on them?
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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, that's my basement. Actually we
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just filmed down there, so.
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You just have a bunch of Shrek on vhs.
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Yeah. I think I have like fifty six copies right now. Okay.
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Is this sort of like like you're trying to compete
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with Everything is Terrible and Jerry Maguire or something or yeah, okay, okay, okay.
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I mean it just kind of started to become like
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a inside joke and then we just kept running with it.
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Whenever Family Video went out of business. I guess I
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was twenty one as well. There's one like right up
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the street from me, and I bought all of their
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vhs or like the displayed shelf things, and I just
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like my entire basements like covered the ones that were
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left over. I think we had like five or six
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out of points and they're huge. And then I was
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like I'm going to cover all of these in Trek
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Like I was like I just want truck walls, like wow, okay,
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and so people started like they'll like come see me
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like at conventions or my friends or whoever, and I'm like, hey,
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I found this story and just hat me like stacks
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of Shrek and like.
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Okay, and you just add to the pile.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I feel like that's such a great thing
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to have in a film, like you really should do
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like a Shrek two or something that kind of Is
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that Is that something in the works.
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Uh, I'm not sure yet. We've had We've had talks
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about people. We've talked about doing like a fish Pit U.
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We talked about doing a Squash Junkies too. I haven't
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really talked about a Shrek Crack two. We talked Donkey
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Dick Bills is kind of like the spiritual sequel, This
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whole idea of doing like what if there's a pussa
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boots er, what if there's like different elements like that.
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You were talking earlier about, Joshua, And I'm kind of
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curious about that because that's that's a film you're working
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on right now, that you're shooting right now and editing
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right now.
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Is that going to be out in time for Clickfest
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in September.
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I don't know. We've all been kind of if I
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was to have it avail because I had thought one Clickfest.
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I actually did show fish Pits when we were still
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I guess I would have been the twenty twenty two
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to one. Fish piss wasn't one complete at the time,
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but I showed like a version of at Clickfest where
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I was like, oh, this would be good for the
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people that actually show up and the fans all that stuff.
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So I had that similar thought where I could be
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like a rough draft of Joshua. Essentially, it's like if
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you were at clickfitt, you got to see it and
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things might change here and there, but just to kind
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of see how people react to it, and I'll also
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give everyone that was a part of the movie a
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chance to like watch it with everyone to I'm sure
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we're gonna probably like tour Joshua later, you know, next year.
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But yeah, I had that thought too, where I was like, man,
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it would be cool to have it at clickfit especially
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because this will be like this is the ten year
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anniversary of Janis in general going on. I think it'll
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be like a fifth or sixth Clickfest, So I was
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it would be cool to have all that kind of go.
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Yeah, So wait, you said that you've kind of done
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this sort of thing before. Did people come up to
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you and give you feedback that you actually were like, oh, okay,
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I'm gonna go back and retool it.
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Based so much people are saying.
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Not really, I will. I will say that, I'm going
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to dude, that's awesome, that's really smart, and just like yeah,
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I will say with Joshua, I will it will be
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I will take you know, some thoughts and stuff and
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uh to consideration and stuff. Whereas like I want to say,
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there was a point in time with like fish Pace
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and even Squats Junkies where I had just been working
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on all year, so I was just like, I don't know,
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I'm done. This is whatever that movie is is what
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it is now because I'm just so fucking done with it.
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I think I did that with the Scarecrow from Mars
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movie too, where I was like, I don't like somebody
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was like you really need to make it an hour long,
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hour and ten minutes, and I was like, oh my fuck.
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I was like, dude, I'm just done with that movie.
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I was like, I don't want to look at anymore.
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I don't want to think about anymore.
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Fair enough, I mean when like when is when is
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art ever done? Right?
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I mean that's such it feels like such a subjective
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thing in a lot of ways, you know.
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Yeah, and then sometimes I'm like, I just want to
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move on to the next thing. Like for whenever I
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was doing the Scarecrow movie, I was like, I, you know,
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and I've since gone back and like, so I submitted
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it to Trauma and I submitted like so, if you
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it's on the Trauma streaming app. I think it's like
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an hour and ten or fifteen minutes on there, because
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I was talking to somebody who's like, man, it's really
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important to like do hour and fifteen for to be
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considered full length. So I like put in a bunch
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of fill of shit to her. Now, I like recently
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have gone back and like, take I took a bunch
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of shit out to where the movies like if you're
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buying it from Big Cartel right now, it's like maybe
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forty five to fifteen minutes. It's a cut that I
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feel like this flows like way better where I'm like, yeah,
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why is there fill of shit just to make it
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a full length? You know, Like I don't like that?
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Yeah, I agree, I mean that's something I've I've noticed
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like interviewing a lot of people, like independent filmmakers like
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yourself on the show and getting to watch people's work
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and everything, and like, yeah, it is kind of nice
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to watch films where you know they're only forty five
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minutes or thirty minutes, and it's just exactly what is needed,
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you know what I mean.
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It isn't It isn't about like trying.
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To fulfill some kind of quota or appear like more
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marketable or something, because at the end of the day,
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like you just want to make the best thing possible,
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whatever that might be.
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And then some people are like, well, it needs to
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be joseified to you know, sell it on a physical copy,
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and I'm like, dude, I don't care if, like, for instance,
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Anthony literally put out that bomb movie. Yeah, that oh
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yeah movie. It's fucking phenomenal, and it's it's what forty minutes,
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forty five minutes or whatever. Yeah. I was like that.
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I bought that tape the second it came out because
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I don't give a fuck. I will pay And it
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was like thirty five dollars. I was like, I will
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pay top dollars for that movie because it's so good.
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You don't need like I don't. I was like, I don't.
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That's perfect movie in my mind, Like it's not too long,
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it like gets the point across. Like there's something where
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I have friends come over, we all watch it together,
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and they it's it's it gets every point across and
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shows everything good and people are like glued to the
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screen watching it, you know, whereas I've showed some stuff
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before and like, I mean that's like almost all that
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I watched with my friends is like, you know, indie shit.
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So we might watch something of this whatever I bought
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off of SRS or something like Shark whatever. I got
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a million Shark movies. But there will be times where
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you're like, look around the room, there's people on their
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phones and shit and not super good. But then I
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mean there's good moments and stuff, but then like damn it,
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I know they just did this because they needed to
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fill a quota for time.
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Yeah. I think also to the like filmmaking in terms
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of like more mainstare dream stuff is kind of going
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in direction of like, oh, we know the audience sometimes
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goes on their phones, so let's just make a film
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where people can do that and still get something out
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of it, which is kind of annoying, you know.
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Yeah, no, I agree with dude. I had a similar
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thought to that where I recently had rewatched The Wire
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and the first time I watched I saw it, I
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was on my phone and I remember being like, what
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is all the hype? And then this last time I
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watched it, I was like, what that was one of
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the best fucking shows to ever exist. I was like, Oh, yeah,
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your phone in the other room, you're supposed to watch it.
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Yeah, it's funny that.
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Yeah.
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Like I remember watching The Wire probably fifteen years ago
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or something. I did like a whole run through it
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with it with my wife, and it was so hard
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to follow, but in such a rewarding way.
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Like I used to go.
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I was working like a mail room at the time,
482
00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:51.640
and he used to deliver a mail to like some
483
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:54.240
random like Merrill Lynch or something, and the guy in
484
00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:56.480
the mail room there would be like, Okay, I've seen before,
485
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:58.079
and like he would kind of give me like tips
486
00:24:58.079 --> 00:24:59.079
and pointers.
487
00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.319
Of like no, no, I'd be like, who's this person here?
488
00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:03.240
Who's that person there? He's like, no, no, don't worry, they'll
489
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:06.240
show you him next season. But you didn't miss anything
490
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:07.960
you like just keep that in mind like a lot
491
00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:09.720
of you know what I mean, which is like such
492
00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:15.119
a way to take it in good pay off, but.
493
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:17.319
You have to pay attention. You can't be on your phone.
494
00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:18.559
No, no, exactly.
495
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.200
Yeah, that's why I got fucked because I was I
496
00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:24.119
realized I did that with a couple of shows, and
497
00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:26.160
then I was like, I need to go back and
498
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:29.359
rewatch it. It's like, well, The Wire, like Sopranos is
499
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:34.079
my favorite show, and I was like, fuck, man, you
500
00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:39.960
gotta watch the show without your phone, because which is
501
00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:41.839
what I feel like with movies now. It's like, why
502
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:44.759
are we dumbing down the movies, like just make people
503
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:46.759
just force them to like put their phone up, like
504
00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:49.680
I don't know, encourage them to, Hey, you should really
505
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:51.240
actually watch the movie. Yeah.
506
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:54.880
Yeah, you're talking about The Wire and the Sopranos, which
507
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:57.880
obviously have like big ensemble casts, and that kind of
508
00:25:57.920 --> 00:25:59.799
makes me want to like segue into talking about like
509
00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:02.599
the actors that you keep using and all your films,
510
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:05.960
like uh, Church Swine was probably the one where like
511
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.759
the performances kind of stood out to me the most.
512
00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.000
I don't know if that's like obvious to you or not,
513
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:13.680
but like, yeah, like Mike Miller and that was really
514
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:18.000
such the glue of the film, Like his performance really
515
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:23.039
like glued the whole world together and everything. But Kitty McCarthy,
516
00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:25.359
like where did you Where did you find her? Like
517
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:27.880
is she just an a local actor or something?
518
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:34.319
Yeah? Actually I met her here and I live in Fulton, Missouri.
519
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:38.839
It's a very small town. I met her at the
520
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:43.400
bar actually, and we you know, I just I frequently
521
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:47.759
go to this bar, Kill Bruce, which actually in our
522
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:49.920
Joshua is set in Fulton, so there's a lot of
523
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.960
this stuff you'll be seen in Joshua Kill Brews. We
524
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:57.319
filmed in there. Uh, I've since got to know kind
525
00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:01.920
of everybody become you know. Uh, people will started like
526
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.240
latching on and being like, dude, I love the movies.
527
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:06.559
Like we actually had a couple of clickfests there and
528
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:09.039
so like people were like, oh, this is awesome. Kitty
529
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.839
came up to me and she was like, I love
530
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.400
what you've been doing, Like I really want to get involved.
531
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.839
And I think the first one we had her in
532
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:24.279
was Donkey Dick Pills, and I started I was like, damn, okay,
533
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:26.920
she can act, Like she's really good at acting. I
534
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.680
wanted to utilize her more. So I was like, Church Swine,
535
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:33.839
we have her, you know, come in, And I was like, fuck,
536
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.039
she is knocking out of the park every time. She
537
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.440
doesn't have a background in acting, but I would say
538
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.400
she was fucking phenomenal at acting for like just being like, yeah,
539
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:47.480
I think I might try that acting. Thing is that
540
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:52.240
she's pretty good. Her and Mike are like two of
541
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:55.480
my favorite like as far as like, man, they kill
542
00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:58.000
every time, like I don't, I don't worry about like
543
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.720
everybody always on set has killed it. And with Joshua,
544
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.519
especially where I'm like, okay, guys, there's a real script,
545
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:08.240
like we I need everyone to pay attention. I need
546
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:12.000
It's been a little bit more of a struggle and
547
00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:15.039
I've got people to like get to the spots that
548
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.160
I needed them to for this movie. But whereas with
549
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.440
those two, they're both in it and Mike's actually like
550
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:24.960
the lead, one of the leads, and Joshua he's the
551
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:29.799
investigator investigating what's all going on. And man, he's so
552
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.079
good at improv like he does like when he gets
553
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:35.799
into the character, like if anything like kind of pops up,
554
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:38.240
he just he just rolls with it completely, like there's
555
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.880
no like you can't surprise him. Same thing with too,
556
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.920
she's like just rolls with it. I think in Church
557
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:50.079
Swine we had the scene where they come in. I
558
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.640
completely had to take it out. But there's a scene
559
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.960
where a dog just like came in to the door.
560
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:58.319
There was like a dog from the backyard of the
561
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.359
house we're filming out, and I guess he, you like,
562
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.039
came through the front door and just came in and
563
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.359
he just starts interacting. He's like, oh, hey, you have
564
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:09.519
a nice thought. I was like, god, we like he
565
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:11.759
just started going with it though, and I was like,
566
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:12.440
oh shit.
567
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:14.480
Okay, why not, right?
568
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.440
I think that's something like even like the big actors
569
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.960
out there, like I could see Isabelle Hooper, you know
570
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:21.960
what I mean, Like she would be in a scene
571
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.279
doing something like that, because like you have to keep
572
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.920
giving something good in the long run, right right right?
573
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.440
Yeah? Yeah? Ye. Like for instance, I even remember talking
574
00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:35.559
to Mike before. So whenever we do like the big
575
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:38.839
final scene in Church Wine where it's like the big
576
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:42.960
the church and everyone's there and then they kill Jesse
577
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:47.000
in that, uh, he's like we I had to like
578
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.720
put all these tables up because really the spot we
579
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.799
were using was like a local like fuck, I don't
580
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:54.079
even know what to call it, but you can rent
581
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:56.119
it out and it's just they call it scout cabin
582
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.880
out here. It's a boy scout cabin. You can like
583
00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:00.559
rent it out for a band and stuff. It's like
584
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:05.000
a hundred bucks's right up the street from my house too,
585
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:08.359
So I was like, man, we need to make this
586
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:10.440
look like a church, and there's like a bunch of
587
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.119
shit over here. So I was like, okay, we we
588
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.720
put like all these tables up and then put tablecloths
589
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:20.640
over it to kind of like hide everything back in
590
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:23.079
the back. But whenever I did that, it kind of
591
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:28.440
like created this like I guess backstage where actors were
592
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.400
like hanging out while I'm getting so I had like
593
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:37.599
somebody Kiddy's son actually tied. I had him like kind of.
594
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:39.720
I was like, hey, dude, like would you kind of
595
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:42.880
direct like the extras, like showing where their chairs are,
596
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:45.079
kind of give them the cues and all this stuff.
597
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:47.440
I was like doing the rundown over there, and then
598
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:51.559
I have the actors backstage and Mike was like listening
599
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:55.000
to fucking like church gospel stuff, like like he was
600
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.839
like just in the zone. I mean, somebody like came
601
00:30:57.880 --> 00:30:59.319
back there to try to talk to me. He's like
602
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:01.640
he's like, talk to me after him done, and he's
603
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:07.680
just like, well, this dude's fucking meant that.
604
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:08.680
That's incredible.
605
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:12.839
I really think that very blown away. It's like, yeah,
606
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.200
this dude's legit and he yeah, like you said, he
607
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.519
stands out so much in that movie.
608
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:21.559
Yeah, I mean it's not even so much like him standing.
609
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:23.559
I mean he stands out because of his quality.
610
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:24.200
Yeah, for sure.
611
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:28.400
He also just was like there's something about his presence.
612
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:31.920
He felt so natural and comfortable on camera. I think
613
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:33.839
that's kind of maybe the hard thing for a lot
614
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.279
of people that aren't trained, you know, It's like get
615
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:38.359
in front of a camera, like people are just like
616
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:42.200
kind of squirrely, you know. But he's just so comfortable
617
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:44.440
and really sells it. But I mean, at the same time,
618
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:46.640
like a lot of people you work with have that
619
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:51.680
as well, Like there's something about is it Doyle daw Yeah, Yeah,
620
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:55.759
Like he cracks me up so much, like war Hog
621
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:59.839
was fucking hilarious and the Teenage Gargoyle too. Like I
622
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.200
feel like we should talk about Teenage Gargyle because like
623
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:05.440
that's your most recent one that's out that you've been
624
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:09.599
touring this year, right, Okay, yeah, And has that been
625
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:11.680
going like a people and been into that one?
626
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:16.880
Oh yeah, definitely. It's it's been a very emotional movie
627
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.680
for me because Doyle passed away like two months ago.
628
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:25.559
Oh yeah, it's been so it's been very hard, Like
629
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:27.599
I've been touring it and then I've had to like
630
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:29.559
walk out in the middle of the movie because I'm like,
631
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.839
it's it's hard. Yeah. Doyle probably one of my best friends,
632
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.839
and he used to come in my house all the time,
633
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.079
like my kids doing myself called him Uncle dot. So
634
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:42.720
it's been very like, well I'm watching that, I'm like,
635
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:47.680
it's awesome because I'm like everybody's like appreciating him right
636
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:50.720
now and like getting to see him really shine because
637
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:52.839
it was his first time kind of being the lead
638
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:57.920
in that and he truly loved gargoyles, so like it
639
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:02.480
was an easy movie for Like the idea of Teenage
640
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:08.079
Gargoyle came from I was in Bruce's Scarecrow Factory movie.
641
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:14.480
Yeah right, yeah that, and so they had asked me,
642
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:17.359
they were like, whenever I do that bar scene with
643
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:20.960
sling School. They're like, you know, giving me the lines
644
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:22.880
or whatever they like and just say a movie. And
645
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.200
I just said, hey, whatever, you know, whenever I get
646
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:27.000
back to Missouri, you want to come with me and
647
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:29.720
make I was a teenager. It's just I just threw
648
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:36.200
it out there. And then whenever, literally whenever I got
649
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:38.480
back to Missouri, I was like, hey, we should actually
650
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:41.640
make that movie so it'd be funny. Like then whenever
651
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:44.640
we go back to Philly and play it, it will
652
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:51.680
like really like it came true. I So we did it,
653
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:56.200
and I remember my buddy Zach Jones, he wrote it.
654
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.480
I actually got him a job with me. Uh so
655
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.880
he works with me. He was like his office is
656
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:05.279
literally next door to mine and he has a degree
657
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.559
in writing, and he's like, man, i'd help you, like
658
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.199
write a movie sometime. And I was like, perfect, herego
659
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:13.360
teenage gargoyle a lot of him, just be in charge
660
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:16.239
of the whole thing. He wrote it all and then
661
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.000
we pitched it to Doyle and he like, like I said,
662
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.559
he fucking loves gargoyles. He got the gargoyles tattoo on
663
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:27.559
his chest right here. Oh wow, Okay, from that show
664
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:28.920
and I don't remember any of the name. I want
665
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.000
to say, I was like Dermona or something. I don't
666
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:33.880
remember a lot of the names from the cartoon or whatever.
667
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:38.000
But he had right here on chest the gargoyle girl.
668
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:42.880
Okay, so I remember all the gargoyles were named after
669
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:50.679
places in New York. So there was like Brooklyn Goliath
670
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:56.000
was one, maybe Manhattan maybe I don't know, I'm t
671
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:58.320
of like just pulling places in New York.
672
00:34:59.199 --> 00:34:59.920
Was something like that.
673
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.360
Yeah, yeah, I think I remember that.
674
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.039
Yeah. So, like I said, he he really loved gargoyles,
675
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.400
so like whenever we brought it up to him and
676
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:11.599
I was like, yeah, man, dude, you should be fucking
677
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:14.599
be in charge of you know, be the lead, and
678
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:18.039
uh so is and then he uh man, he killed
679
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:22.639
it with that role too. He there's the one and
680
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:24.719
again to the part of the movie that I always
681
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:26.679
like kind of have to walk out because it's emotional.
682
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.519
But it's like whenever he turns into the gargoyle and
683
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.199
he's like, I'm the protector of gargoyles and he jumps
684
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:38.000
off the thing and then he's like a man. That
685
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:44.800
day was so much fun filming because we just went downtown, uh, Columbia,
686
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:49.039
and it's Colone, Missouri. It's a big college town and
687
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:51.519
there's there's a bunch of people out walking around and
688
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.280
Doyle just he did not care. He was like just
689
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.079
doing just being a gargoyle.
690
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:01.239
There's some of that in there, right, Like there's a there.
691
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:03.800
That's great.
692
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.880
They were like taking selfie, like like going up behind
693
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.440
him and like do that. Oh, and like, man, I
694
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:13.119
really don't get embarrassed that easily. But in that I
695
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:17.079
was like, in that particular like stuff, I was like,
696
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.800
this is kind of hard. Like there's a part where
697
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:25.400
the camera shakes because I am laughing so fucking hard. Whatever.
698
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.880
He's in front, he's in front of a church and
699
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:32.360
he's like perched up like this, and really there was
700
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:34.840
like a protest or something going on downtown and we
701
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.639
had no idea and he got he got perched up there,
702
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:39.239
and I go to the other side with the camera
703
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:40.960
and then a bunch of people walked by, and I
704
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.840
was like, oh god. I was like, maybe like this
705
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:48.440
is this is we're kids right now and that's stuff's
706
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:48.920
going on.
707
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:53.960
Oh, But that I don't recall seeing that like that
708
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:55.159
was I didn't.
709
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:57.880
I didn't I was very like, Okay, I'm gonna let
710
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:00.840
them have the moment, you know, just by I was
711
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:02.519
like I'm not gonna film or not because I was like,
712
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:04.880
I don't want to be disrespectful, So I just it
713
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.679
is sad day. But it was like also a little
714
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:11.079
sobering where I'm like, yeah, we're just out here goofing
715
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:13.320
off while y'all are doing some serious ship right now.
716
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:15.519
Do you remember what the protest was for.
717
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.840
I don't, because I was all like I felt a
718
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.719
little embarrassed to be honest with okay, you just like
719
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.239
you know, I'm like, yep, I'm just gonna I just
720
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:29.239
I was on the other side, and I kind of
721
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.119
remember just like I pulled out my phone and just
722
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.760
like pretend like nothing's going. I kind of feel bad, dude,
723
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:38.800
because I'm like, I just kind of love Doyle over there.
724
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.559
You think he's just perched off waiting for me to
725
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:42.159
tell him action.
726
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:45.320
I mean, it would have been perfect if it was
727
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:47.960
like a protest for gargoyles or something. You know, like
728
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.559
imagine you just like like thought of that and got
729
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:57.519
like a few people with the billets or whatever, and
730
00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:58.920
then see what you do is you have like one
731
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.519
or two people with the billets saying like stop gargoyles
732
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.440
and if people just see a crowd or protesters but
733
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.039
they can only read those two billets or whatever, you
734
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.639
know what I'm saying, like, yeah, no, yeah, like utilize
735
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:14.840
the Yeah, that would have been so disrespectful though, like yeah,
736
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.880
I don't know, yeah, I know.
737
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:19.639
I was like, man, I don't want I was also like, man,
738
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:21.559
I don't want them to think like I'm filming them
739
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.719
or like message perform. So I was just like, best
740
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:28.360
to just mind my own business right now. For sure,
741
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.599
for sure, that's what we did. We just waited out.
742
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:37.119
And then there's there was another really funny part downtown
743
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.039
where Doyle is like running at the camera. He's like
744
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.519
and he's got the wings out and all that stuff.
745
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.840
There was a like family walking behind us, and I
746
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.480
just heard this lady like going to the other side,
747
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.840
and then there's like a kid like mommy, look on
748
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:52.880
and she's like, no, no, come on, oh get over here,
749
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.960
like pull them away from Doyle is like running at
750
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.719
the camera. I was like, Doyle, you're kind of making
751
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:01.480
it a little like you're running out these kids right.
752
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:05.880
Oh my god, you've been touring.
753
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:11.639
I was a teenage Gargoyle is that is that available
754
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:13.599
to buy it on Big Cartel.
755
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.400
So at this moment, I'm like in the process of
756
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:21.880
selling my house, so I've really packed everything up. I
757
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.119
did want to buy. I did go ahead and buy
758
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:28.360
some copies of Gargoyle here recently because I sold completely
759
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:30.639
out like at the when I've been touring and people
760
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.719
have been buying it up and again, like I said,
761
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:34.800
it's a hard movie for me. So like I also
762
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.800
kind of was like, I don't know, because a lot
763
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:41.280
of people have been like asking for it, and like
764
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.159
like some ways, I'm like, man, I just kind of
765
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.079
like I want someone else to do it for me
766
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.239
because of like how intense today is. But then like
767
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.360
for the tour, I was like, man, I need to
768
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.239
like make some tapes and all that stuff. So I
769
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.480
want ahead and made tapes. Like I don't know if
770
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.119
you ever made tapes or well, you know, you gotta
771
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:02.199
like watch the movie play over over and over recorded me.
772
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:05.519
So it's like a very like I made ten tapes
773
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.039
and I'm like fucking watching this like ten times in
774
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:10.039
a row, and it's you know, I can have it
775
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:11.639
on in the background, but I have to come back
776
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.039
and check to make sure that it's like yeah still
777
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.880
you know, still going or like what's going on with it?
778
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:19.639
So like I need to make more, I need to
779
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.719
be more proactive with it. But I just it's been
780
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:27.840
a hard one for me. So it is it says
781
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.559
sold out. Most things in the big Cartel shop right
782
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:33.840
now are sold out just because of also with me moving,
783
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:38.039
I have everything packed up, and it's been it's like
784
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:40.880
it's been a fucking nament for me lately because I'm
785
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.440
selling in my house and I'm making this movie and
786
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:48.199
you know, taking on a little bit more responsibilities at work,
787
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.599
and it's like, what is wrong with me? Why am
788
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:52.039
I doing all this at once? Right now?
789
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:54.119
Are you a workaholic?
790
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:57.519
I think so, yeah, okay, okay.
791
00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:58.880
I mean I get it.
792
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:01.679
You know. I've find I feel the best when i'm
793
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:05.360
like rammed, Like my schedule is rammed, and like I'm
794
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.400
just constantly working. Especially when you when you don't have
795
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:11.280
to pause and think about what you're doing, you just
796
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.360
keep doing the next thing, you know, which I think
797
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.840
like a lot of the most successful artists out there
798
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:20.760
have have recommended that I can't remember if it was
799
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:24.559
Andy Warhol or John waters that said something like, don't
800
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:26.800
read the reviews, just move on to the next thing,
801
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:27.159
you know.
802
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly I thought about I read that
803
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.159
book that Lloyd Coffer put out about movie or whatever,
804
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:38.719
and it's like his advice is make as many movies
805
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:40.800
as you possibly can. And I was like, you know what,
806
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:42.360
I'm just gonna lean into.
807
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:46.360
That, right right, well, you are so prolific, and like
808
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.519
I wanted to watch as much as I could for this,
809
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:51.760
and I managed to get through four of the films,
810
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:53.960
which I mean, they're not like super long or anything,
811
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:56.400
but then I'm like, looking through everything, I was like, oh,
812
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:57.960
I wish I had time to watch this one. I
813
00:41:58.000 --> 00:41:59.679
wish I had time to watch that one, you know,
814
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.079
I wish I could have rewatched that or something like.
815
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.159
I think like a few years ago, I caught a
816
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.920
little bit of Donkey Dick Pills, but I was like,
817
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.480
like one in the morning, like destroyed, and I didn't
818
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:11.880
get that far because I was like, I don't know
819
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:12.519
what's going on.
820
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:13.239
I need to watch this.
821
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.280
It's sober, which I'm I'm glad I did like sober
822
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:20.320
watches for these films because they're they're like they're funny,
823
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.519
but they're also like really fascinating too, Like I think
824
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.440
that's something I really enjoy about your filmmaking is that
825
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:29.400
even when it's not making me laugh, it feels like
826
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:33.159
it's operating on something else, you know, like it's it's
827
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:35.840
kind of working with something like just it's always weird,
828
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.880
you know. And I mean as a compliment, Yeah.
829
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:42.840
No, I take it. I'm a I'm a huge fan
830
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.920
of Tim and Eric so in like adult Swim, so
831
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:49.800
I think some of that kind of maybe shines through
832
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:50.360
a little bit.
833
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:55.400
Oh absolutely, yeah, But like what anyone else, Like, would
834
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.880
there be any directors or films that are a big
835
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.960
influence for you that like people wouldn't effect.
836
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.440
I'm a huge fan of my peers honestly, like everybody
837
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:11.400
like Blood Sick and like, you know, David Dowson is
838
00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:13.960
a huge person that I look up to as well.
839
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:18.719
And then like I watch I will watch fucking anything,
840
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:22.000
Like I love just movies in general, Like honestly, I'm like,
841
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.039
the lower budget, the better I love watching just like
842
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:30.400
absolute you know, doll films or whatever. And then but
843
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.440
I also love like trash TV, like I love reality
844
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:39.880
TV shows. I love anything ELC is like whit Ship.
845
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:42.639
Like I will watch like six Hour Pound Lives, like
846
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:44.119
probably one of my other favorite shows.
847
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:45.679
I can't do it.
848
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.679
I like the I like the strange addictions and stuff
849
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:49.559
like those are kind of.
850
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:53.960
Yeah, hilarious, That's probably one of the funniest shows in
851
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:54.320
the world.
852
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:59.920
Yeah, it's interesting. Like I think when I picture you watching,
853
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:04.760
I can imagine you sifting through all of this content
854
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.960
and then you find that like one perfect moment where
855
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:11.920
it's like really awkward or really like trashy or like sensational,
856
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:14.239
and it's like you kind of like file it in
857
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:18.199
your brain or something for inspiration. But it's like so
858
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:22.360
much to way through, right, But Okay, what about the
859
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:24.639
films that you grew up on then, like like in
860
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:27.599
high school or younger that kind of made you want
861
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:28.639
to get into filmmaking?
862
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:33.519
Honestly, Like I watched I watched a lot of like
863
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:37.000
sci Fi channel, like those like just spitty whatever like
864
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.159
and like I honestly I can't even remember anything specifically
865
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.719
like stick it out to me from whenever I was
866
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.320
like a teenager. I just remember having the sci Fi
867
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.079
channel on all the time watching whatever was like the
868
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:56.320
shittiest whatever, you know. Yeah, bad cgi whatever, and I well, okay,
869
00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:58.559
I remember I went the block Poster once and my
870
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:03.199
mom U we rented Jack Frost. But it's like the
871
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:07.599
one where and that shit killed me. That, Like I
872
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:09.880
would say that might have been the moment where I
873
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:11.679
was like I need more of this shit in my
874
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:14.920
life where I just started like coming back to Blockbuster
875
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:16.960
and being like no, no, no, give me. What is
876
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:20.079
like sifting through to find like the shittiest stuff I
877
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:24.239
possibly could? Right, right, Because like I did, I watched
878
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:27.079
a lot of like regular horror like Slashers and stuff.
879
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:29.599
I was a big fan of that for sure. I
880
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:33.880
remember in fourth grade my mom had got that the
881
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:37.840
eight uh you know, like the four hour whatever special.
882
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:41.480
It was it like nineteen ninety maybe that the eight
883
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:42.760
VHS tape.
884
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:46.480
Oh it sorry sorry yeah, yeah, oh I fucking love that.
885
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:47.599
It It's so good.
886
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:51.360
I remember we had that. Like also, I was a
887
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:53.639
bad kid, so like in fourth grade, my mom had
888
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.039
bought that tape and I remember she's like, do not
889
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.440
watch this, It's fucked up, blah blah blah, and then
890
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:01.199
she goes to work and in summertime, I'm like, I'm
891
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:01.880
gonna go watch it.
892
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:09.519
That she sold it's like, this is the greatest thing ever.
893
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.760
Do not watch it. You're like, do not watch this?
894
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:17.079
Just instantly go watch it the same day and she even,
895
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:20.199
like I remember, she was like she knew, she fucking knew.
896
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:24.639
So then I just remember being like, I don't It
897
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.119
didn't like traumatize me if like it, just like I
898
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:29.239
was like, I love this, I love like it. It's
899
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:31.400
it's goofy as hell, like I remember, think They're like
900
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:34.440
it's so cheesy, and I just loved every bit of it,
901
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:36.880
and like trying to show my friends and stuff and
902
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:41.559
they're like, no, this is gross or scary or boring,
903
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:46.000
and I was like, what a fucking mess.
904
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:46.519
Interesting.
905
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:49.159
Yeah, I watched that when I was pretty young. I
906
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:52.159
think I was like nine or something, and my parents
907
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.159
didn't give a ship. They were really bad with like
908
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:56.840
making they make me watch fucked up stuff that I
909
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:59.199
was like, why why are you showing me pulp fiction
910
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.079
when I'm nine? Yea, like shit like that. But I
911
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:04.840
watched it and I got through the first half, you
912
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.480
know how it was like two vhs. Yeah, yeah, and
913
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:11.519
it was terrifying me. But the first half ends with
914
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:17.159
the one dude killing himself and writing it on the wall,
915
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:21.000
and once that happened, I was like, I'm not sleeping tonight,
916
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.199
Like this is the worst thing I have ever seen,
917
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:27.239
Like you're gonna oh well, just at that time, I
918
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:32.000
hadn't seen like all this terrifying clownshit and then suicide,
919
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:35.559
which was just like what, like it's such a heavy.
920
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:36.880
Thing for a kid, you know.
921
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.800
And but then the next day I watched the second
922
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:42.400
half and was like, oh, this is really cheesy now.
923
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:47.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember watching that also, that first
924
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:50.039
part where the wife comes in and I would imitate
925
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.519
that wife all the time, and there was like a
926
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:56.599
picture there's a picture of me when I'm like fifteen, Yeah,
927
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:02.119
me next to the TV because she does like scream
928
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.679
because I thought it was so goofy because she's like
929
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:08.400
I laughed.
930
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:11.599
But I've I've done that too, and I almost don't
931
00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:13.599
even want to say the films that I've done that far.
932
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.079
Yeah, i'd have to cut it out of the podcast.
933
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:22.320
Well that's the thing, like, yeah, it's fiction, you know
934
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.119
what I mean, Like, you can't you can't take it
935
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:25.079
that seriously.
936
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:28.039
If it was like a documentary, maybe then.
937
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:29.480
Oh for sure, for sure.
938
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:33.000
But we've all laughed at the the intervention I think
939
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.159
it is with the guy.
940
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:43.159
The guy he's like, man, i'll tell you this is
941
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:46.559
also fucked up. But one of the maybe you have
942
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:49.920
to cut this later. But there's a part in Sopranos.
943
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.840
I laughed my ass off because I was like, what,
944
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:55.679
it's the part where the cop gets discovered for being,
945
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:58.199
you know, at the whorehouse and all that stuff, and
946
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.320
he's crupped. I think it's a one, and like Tony's
947
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:04.559
like on his ass because he's asking him if you
948
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:08.599
know that cops like pussy's your one in the ranks,
949
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:11.760
that's like you're rat. And then Tony fakes that in
950
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:13.639
him because he's telling the truth all that stuff, and
951
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.280
then Tony, you know, shames him. So that guy's got
952
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:18.960
nothing left and he's sitting in traffic and he's like
953
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.599
honking the horn. He's like, hurry the fuck up, hurry up,
954
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:23.760
hurry up. And then just and then they let him
955
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:26.239
through and he just goes aparts the car and kills himself.
956
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:28.119
And I was laughing because I was like, why the
957
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:36.360
fuck is heeting such a hurry Like it's a fuck
958
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.320
ump scene, Like absolutely, but I was like the if
959
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:41.360
you take out all the other stuff where you're like,
960
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:45.199
he's like having a meltdown because of traffic, because I
961
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:48.000
know what that's like, when the fucking roads are all
962
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:50.239
fucked up and you're like, God, damn it, this again.
963
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:52.119
So you think like, oh, he's just going to work
964
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:54.840
and I can relate to that, and he just goes
965
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:58.360
and kills himself. What the fuck? Come on?
966
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.880
Well, it's it sounds like you have and I have
967
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:04.920
it too, is like a very irreverent sense of humor,
968
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:08.639
like you know, like not really taking things fully seriously,
969
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:11.920
you know, which is interesting because like I find that's
970
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:13.960
such a strong part of all the films you make
971
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:18.039
of like even Fish Piss is so dark and so bleak,
972
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:25.480
but like it has a fish getting jerked off. Like
973
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:27.719
that's such a big part of what you do. And
974
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.760
would you ever consider doing something that would completely like
975
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:33.119
gets rid of the comedy?
976
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:40.079
You know? I don't know. Actually, Like there was the
977
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:42.920
movie I made, the twenty eighteen They're Not Human. That's
978
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:47.880
probably like the closest I've ever gone to like making
979
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:51.119
a movie that it's like it's actually scary or trying
980
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.320
to be where there is literally no fuge. There's also
981
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:58.239
like no dialogue in that movie. Oh whatever. I think
982
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:01.119
there's like a couple of sentences and it's a short
983
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:04.320
it's like maybe ten minutes long and fifteen minutes something
984
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:09.199
like that. I just found that it was like it
985
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.239
was very hard for the group of people that I
986
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.920
work with to like be like, hey, guys, like I'm
987
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:18.159
trying to be serious now, and they're like they just
988
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:20.840
and like, you know, in my group of friends too,
989
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:23.760
a lot of times I am kind of like I'm
990
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:26.719
just a goofy jokes or guy whatever. So like a
991
00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:28.559
lot of times when we are all at the bar,
992
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:31.559
I am normally the one making people laugh by making
993
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:35.199
funny faces or telling insane jokes or whatever and making
994
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.559
people laugh. So I'm like, gosh, we need to be serious.
995
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:41.800
They're just laughing their acts because they don't think, oh
996
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:42.440
yeah sure.
997
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:44.599
Yeah, yeah, no, that's fair.
998
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:47.840
I mean, if you're having fun and you're you're obviously
999
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:51.800
making like effective films, and like why change that necessarily.
1000
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:53.960
The other thing that you just touched on though with
1001
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:57.000
your like you're talking about your twenty eighteen film, it
1002
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:00.400
like not having any dialogue to it and being more series.
1003
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:02.679
I don't know if this is a dirty word for
1004
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:05.119
you or not, but it sounds kind of artsy. And
1005
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:07.679
that's something I've noticed about your films that there is
1006
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.880
sort of like a touch of artsiness, you know. But
1007
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:14.599
when I'm asking you about like inspirations influences, like you
1008
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:18.239
didn't really mention anything that would be deemed like artsy
1009
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:20.559
f artsy, you know, or pretentious or anything like that.
1010
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:24.519
Is there something that maybe like that does kind of
1011
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:27.760
inspire you in that way that maybe gave you that
1012
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:28.440
sort of edge.
1013
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:32.320
Yeah, not knowing what I'm doing and having no money.
1014
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.320
Wait wait, wait, so you're saying that's all just kind
1015
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:39.800
of like, oh, I don't up with this, Like instead
1016
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:43.440
of finessing something to look more like accessible, you'll make
1017
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:48.039
it look less accessible because people will think it's artsy.
1018
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:53.119
Yeah. Yeah, So even with that movie I'm just talking
1019
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:56.199
about where it's yeah, oh, there's no dialogue. That's because
1020
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:58.760
people are like laughing and shit in the background. So
1021
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:03.119
I had to completely call a Yeah, a lot of
1022
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:06.840
people like so with that film. It's specifically like that.
1023
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:09.639
Whenever I had my original YouTube channel, that one had
1024
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:11.920
like eighteen thousand views on it because it was like
1025
00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:15.119
submitted to film festivals and like actually was like going
1026
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:17.800
through like people were playing it and shit, I played
1027
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:21.519
it like several film festivals, which like rarely ever happens
1028
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:26.639
for me, and I just remember people being like, oh yeah,
1029
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:28.519
like it's really like people being like, dude, this is
1030
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:30.880
actually creepy. Like this is because like what I ended
1031
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:32.599
up doing was like I had to cut all the
1032
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:35.239
audio out. I remember at the end of that day filming,
1033
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:37.199
I was like, I fucking hate this. I was like
1034
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:39.039
I'm not I was like I'm not doing this ship
1035
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:41.079
Like I remember like I'm gonna tract say this, and
1036
00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:43.360
like I was almost about to give up on like
1037
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:46.719
literally specific and then I was like sat on it
1038
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:48.800
for a minute and I so I cut all the
1039
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:51.840
audio and then I found like noises of like animals
1040
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.159
and the like I was like typed in Google like
1041
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:58.599
animals hunting sounds or creepy animal sounds. Yeah, and then
1042
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:00.639
I put it. I put like those sounds on the
1043
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:02.880
cassette tape and then I kind of manipulated the tape
1044
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:05.320
a little bit, like slowed it down, and I was like, Okay,
1045
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:07.599
this is this sounds creepy, like it really doesn't or
1046
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:12.000
like not it sounds eerie kind of. And then with
1047
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.559
some of the footage I got that day, I was like, man,
1048
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:18.559
I was like, this person, that's horrible posture because it
1049
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:20.960
looks like they're fucking laughing, like they're not like it's
1050
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:25.840
not looking like the way I wanted to But because
1051
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:27.360
I don't I don't know if he watched that one
1052
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:31.039
or not, but there's yeah, okay, there's a scene where
1053
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:32.800
guy's like on the ground and he's tied up and
1054
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:35.480
he's like he's like crawling towards his friend that they're
1055
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:40.079
like stabbing, but he's he's literally like yelling like hey,
1056
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:42.519
it looks like they're tickling you. They're tickling you, And
1057
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.239
that's why I had cut all that out. But he
1058
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:49.760
is like screaming, so it looks cool, like with no audio,
1059
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:54.840
it looks cool because he's like okay. So but then
1060
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:56.960
so like with the guy that's getting stabbed has like
1061
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.199
weird posture. So I was like, I think it if
1062
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:04.119
I was like remembering how a lot of people were
1063
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:05.880
talking about this is when I started doing it. But
1064
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:07.639
they were like, oh, if you open up the VCR
1065
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:10.599
and put magnets in there to like fuck with the footage,
1066
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:12.519
a lot. So I started, I like did that to
1067
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:16.400
essentially save what I had done in that to like, oh, wait,
1068
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:19.239
this actually looks really good right now, but I'm putting
1069
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:24.239
these weird magnets in like fucking with the uh footage
1070
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:26.960
a bunch, and like just making it look super altered,
1071
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:28.760
like it looks cursed as fuck. That's a lot of
1072
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:32.559
people tell me, like it looks very cursed. So that's
1073
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:34.239
what I was. I was like, yeah, I'll just do
1074
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:36.480
that because everybody fucked with me all day.
1075
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:41.400
So is that something that you've done with like most
1076
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:45.000
of your films that you've shot on video, like the
1077
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:45.920
magnet thing?
1078
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:49.719
Yeah, And then now I have some other tools too,
1079
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.760
Like I had this like tape thing where you could
1080
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:56.360
put a VCR. You put like one RCA cable here,
1081
00:55:56.480 --> 00:55:59.880
and then one RCAA cable here, and then this one
1082
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:03.119
goes to the computer, so there's three and then you
1083
00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:06.119
can like turn this knob thing so like some footage
1084
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.519
comes in on this side, some footage comes on this side.
1085
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:12.320
It's very cool. And I bought it. I think I
1086
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:15.880
bought off like Etsy or something. So I do that
1087
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:18.880
more frequently now than like the magnet trick, because like
1088
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:21.119
with the magnet. Whenever I was making one of them,
1089
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.559
it might even have been They're not human. I got
1090
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:26.039
a really strong magnet and it like I kind of
1091
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:28.400
lost control and it like went into the VCR and
1092
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:30.440
sparks were coming out and stuff, and I had to
1093
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:34.199
unplug it. Like I was like, oh fuck, oh g man.
1094
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:36.639
I was like, man, I'm running out of VCRs. I
1095
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:39.039
don't want to I'm down to like five right now,
1096
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:42.119
so I really and then getting harder to find good stuff,
1097
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:43.840
so I don't I really don't want to fuck them up,
1098
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:46.119
you know. So I was like, all, just use this
1099
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:48.800
little tool thing to like make some of the glitching
1100
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:49.920
and stuff like that.
1101
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:54.519
Yeah, because like I would be worried if because it
1102
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:58.960
sounds like it's very random what gets kind of glitched out?
1103
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:02.639
Right, So yeah, do you find that you know, you
1104
00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:03.480
can almost.
1105
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:05.400
Get obsessive with that where you're like, oh, no, it
1106
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:06.800
needs a specific part.
1107
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:13.639
Yeah yeah, okay, absolutely, absolutely, Like especially with they're not
1108
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:15.440
giving a couple of other ones too. I was like,
1109
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:18.719
I remember like rewind play, rewind play, and I was like, no,
1110
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:20.840
it just needs a fucking and I was like trying
1111
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:23.079
to gage for her to put the magnet to try
1112
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:25.679
to get like on the certain like there was a
1113
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:28.199
spot I remember where it would like show on the
1114
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:30.039
because I have it like on a monitor, you know
1115
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:33.400
where I'm making at where it's going. But again too,
1116
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.679
it's so fucking random too, like sure sure it could
1117
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:38.440
like pop on this side or this sider in the
1118
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:41.239
middle or up down. So it was very much like
1119
00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:44.800
a lot of stop for one stop, one play play
1120
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:47.840
like this over and over and over. And yeah, like
1121
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:50.199
I said, that movie is like ten or fifteen minutes
1122
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:53.519
long and probably took me like months to do with
1123
00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:57.119
all that glitching and editing and the weird all that
1124
00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.599
shit battling stars, you know.
1125
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:03.440
Yeah, and then you know, fast forward years later and
1126
00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:06.360
you're doing Church Swine, which doesn't really have any of
1127
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:08.639
that stuff and it's shot on four K.
1128
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:12.119
How did you feel about that? Like how that turned
1129
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:12.840
out and everything.
1130
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.199
I liked it a lot and then but I felt
1131
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:18.519
like a lot of people, like I felt like it
1132
00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:22.559
got like lukewarm reception, like real, yeah, it was like
1133
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:27.760
rejected from everything I ever submitted to festival wise some people,
1134
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:30.840
And I was like, man, what I was feeling. I
1135
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:33.440
was like, I felt really good about that movie.
1136
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:33.920
Yeah.
1137
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:36.639
Now, I was thinking that. And if you were to
1138
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:38.559
look at it like with Janis Is, it is like
1139
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:41.679
the complete opposite of a Janis film in some regards,
1140
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:43.440
you know, like it's it's a slow burn, Like I
1141
00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:47.119
don't have like that. I don't have weird editing in there.
1142
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:49.920
It's very like straightforward. I was trying to put shit
1143
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.320
in there to make it like flow better. But and
1144
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.840
I've even like had it play at a couple of places,
1145
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:57.360
like I had it play in Oklahoma, So I was
1146
00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.679
like watching it with a crowd of people, and I
1147
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:01.719
like it went over really well. Like people are like,
1148
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:03.960
oh dad, you got me. Like they were like, I
1149
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:06.280
don't know what the fuck I'm watching. They're like thinking
1150
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:09.239
that was like trolling them or something, and then they're
1151
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:13.599
like damn, Okay, it's a good payoff. But I felt
1152
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:16.840
like a lot of people didn't give it a chance
1153
00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:19.360
because it's it is slow. I will admit that it's slow,
1154
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:22.400
but I feel like it's a good payoff in the end. Yeah,
1155
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:24.000
it was.
1156
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:27.800
It was my favorite personally of before I watched so well.
1157
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:28.760
Thank you. Yeah.
1158
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:31.760
I felt like the I think I said this earlier,
1159
00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:35.599
like the performances in the story of all the films.
1160
00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:38.400
Like really drew me in, Like I was just so glued,
1161
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:39.400
you know what I mean.
1162
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:41.800
Whereas I think it just makes sense with your other
1163
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:45.119
films having more of like a collage feel that in
1164
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:48.639
some ways that some ways that can like constantly you know,
1165
00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:52.440
barrage you with like ideas and stuff, but at the
1166
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:55.960
same time it's also more disjointed. So I think maybe
1167
00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:59.239
sometimes I would get excited and then sit back, excited,
1168
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:01.840
sit back, Whereas church.
1169
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:05.119
Wine, I was just like glued and constantly pulled into it,
1170
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:05.840
you know what I mean.
1171
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:11.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I would say to editing that
1172
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:13.400
one was a little bit different for me too, because
1173
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:16.199
like it's it's right there, like it is like I
1174
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:21.239
can't can't hind nothing static on this one. It's a
1175
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:23.559
big thing I will do now where I'm like, oh,
1176
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:26.599
I mean there's even some stuff at Joshua, like what
1177
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:29.000
I'm working on right now where I get hit in
1178
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:31.199
the head with the tire iron and I'm like, obviously,
1179
01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:33.239
I'm like, really, I dude doesn't even have the tire
1180
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:36.119
iron next to me, But I'm gonna put a glitch
1181
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:38.280
on there. You know, he's gonna like pull it up
1182
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:42.800
and then it's gonna glitch out gets the across, and
1183
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:46.000
I mean some ways it's like I'm I'm using that,
1184
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:49.719
I'm leaning on that, you know, per se, instead of
1185
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:54.199
like having to do the I guess extra steps like
1186
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.440
by a fake tire iron or like how do we
1187
01:00:57.559 --> 01:00:59.880
choreograph this to like make it look like I'm getting there,
1188
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:03.760
you know, like what or church line. I'm like, it's
1189
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:06.599
all right here, there's no I can't fake anything. I
1190
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:10.400
can't like go back. And there was some stuff that
1191
01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:13.519
I edited out here and there where I was able
1192
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:17.599
to like add, like I think there's a part where
1193
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:22.119
we're at my house and it's Strip nine, the dudes
1194
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:27.360
from Oklahoma, and they're talking to the people, and somebody
1195
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:31.960
fucking said, they're like, we're here to talk about Jesus Christ,
1196
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:34.480
and I was like, no, don't say that, Like like
1197
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:37.880
I don't want to say any religious affiliate, because it's
1198
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:40.280
that's the big reveal at the end that it's pig
1199
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:46.159
I wanted zero religious I didn't. You might assume the
1200
01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:48.199
whole time that they're Mormons because they're going door to
1201
01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:52.000
door wearing the same Mormon outfit, but they're not Mormons.
1202
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:55.639
Okay, well, yeah, I think the thing that kind of
1203
01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:58.360
tips you off is that there they say like to
1204
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:01.639
not eat pick me, you know in the beginning, which
1205
01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:02.000
I was like.
1206
01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:04.400
Oh, that's weird. I thought that was only like, you know,
1207
01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:07.920
for people that are a Muslim or Jewish as well.
1208
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:12.119
So I was like, okay, yeah, okay, you know, I
1209
01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:14.199
think I might have even read that though a couple
1210
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:16.239
of years ago when it came out like a year
1211
01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:18.960
or two ago, right, so it came out last year,
1212
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:22.079
last year, Okay, So I think I saw reviews maybe
1213
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:26.639
saying like, oh, spoiler, like it's a sequel to pick
1214
01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:30.679
Man or something like that, and I guess it's in
1215
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:33.119
the title too, True's mine.
1216
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:38.320
Yeah, and I wanted to do I man, I fucking
1217
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:42.400
loved that movie Clorofield Lane where it's tied to the
1218
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:46.559
Glorfield universe. That was why exact kind of thoughts with
1219
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:50.000
that movie where it's like, oh that it's a movie itself,
1220
01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:52.400
but oh wait, but now it's tied to the Pigment
1221
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:54.760
you know the whole time. So like I really liked that,
1222
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:58.719
and then I had like the big reveal at the
1223
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:01.719
end where it's the shadow of pig Man because I
1224
01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:06.320
also was like there's talks of having the trilogy, like
1225
01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:09.199
the third installment where you do actually get to see
1226
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:10.800
the pig Man, because you never see the pig Man
1227
01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:13.400
in the first one, and you have technically seen it
1228
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:15.559
in the second one. I just showed the shadow. So
1229
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:17.239
I wanted the big reveal in the third one to
1230
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:21.199
be a pig Man actually shows up and just fucking
1231
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:21.880
going crazy.
1232
01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:24.639
You know, sweet, But it's the third one gonna be
1233
01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:27.400
four K as well, You're gonna go back to the video.
1234
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:33.199
I don't know. I had such mixed like reception and
1235
01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:35.239
then like how to do it, and I don't know,
1236
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:38.400
I liked I did. Honestly, doing four K was so
1237
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:41.639
easy to edit it compared to like the vhs to me,
1238
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.280
for me, I filmed. I shot that whole thing on
1239
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:50.880
my iPhone fifteen. I just had like put I had
1240
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.079
like a kid for it, so like a Lynx kid
1241
01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:55.880
and a Shoka mic and all this stuff like attached,
1242
01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:58.199
so it's not just the and it's an iPhone fifteen
1243
01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:03.000
pro man so it's like better quality cinematic mode. Then
1244
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:07.400
I get this, I think it's free well lens and
1245
01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:09.320
I put that on there so it adds like a
1246
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.039
filter kind of, so like I whenever I look at
1247
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:14.119
it later, I'm like, Damn, it looks really good, like
1248
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:16.920
compared to all the because you look at you like
1249
01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:18.280
that show on a cell phone.
1250
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:20.559
I mean I didn't think so, Yeah, I thought you
1251
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:27.679
rented like a four K camera or something yet phone. Yeah,
1252
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:29.920
I mean, I wouldn't want you to to give up
1253
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:33.199
on that based on like what you say with lukewarm reception.
1254
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:35.360
You know, I think like if it made you happy,
1255
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:37.960
you should definitely try it again, you know what I mean.
1256
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:41.840
Yeah, And there's definitely talks of us. I mean, I
1257
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:46.480
definitely think we're we're talking about like so Joshua right
1258
01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:50.679
now is a literal because of I'm doing this for
1259
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:53.960
the fans and it's to like also be like it's
1260
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:56.559
the ten year Jane and anniversary all that stuff. So
1261
01:04:56.639 --> 01:04:59.280
I'm literally doing this as a service well, and like
1262
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.320
I really want to do Joshua. I was like super
1263
01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:08.480
like intimidated by because we've talked about Joshua for years,
1264
01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:10.719
and my friend group we've talked about how we would
1265
01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:13.840
do it. We've talked about all these different things years
1266
01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:15.480
and years and years. We've been like, oh, I should
1267
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:18.239
be like this and like it's yes, it's the movie
1268
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:21.760
that whenever we're like all drinking and like made Joshua this.
1269
01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:25.480
So we kind of like built it up ourselves to
1270
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:28.039
where it's like it's a thing where I was like, man,
1271
01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:30.559
I want to do this justice. I want to like
1272
01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:32.679
and like I kept being like, I'm not going to
1273
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:35.000
do it unless I get a couple thousand dollars and
1274
01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:36.559
I kept do it, and like in my mind too,
1275
01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:38.320
I was like, maybe I'm just saying that because I
1276
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:41.960
like feel like too intimidated to like take on this
1277
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.079
task and I can always just be like it's just
1278
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:46.760
a dream and like never do it. So then I
1279
01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:49.519
was like, fucking let's do it. Like well it's you know.
1280
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:51.639
I was like, there's no way I'm going to ever
1281
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:54.480
get money from like a studio or funded or anything
1282
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:57.280
like that. I might as well as fucking do it myself.
1283
01:05:57.480 --> 01:06:00.159
And whenever we kind of like pieced it together, I
1284
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.639
was like, wait, this is actually like very possible to do,
1285
01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:09.360
Like it's actually attainable. So we we've been diving in.
1286
01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:12.000
But so with that being said, we were like it's
1287
01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:14.199
gotta be shot on video. I mean, we gotta do
1288
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:19.920
it justice. We gotta do that. Uh. With that being said, though,
1289
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:21.559
I think our plane is going to be to do
1290
01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:25.679
one shot on video like party type movie, who gives
1291
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:30.159
a fuck, like have an outline, fun kind of like
1292
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:32.800
Trek Crack, Donkey Dick Pills. How we did those? Just
1293
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:35.920
like make it up to go and then do a
1294
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:39.360
four K movie like kind of like have the balance.
1295
01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:41.400
And that's what I did last year. I made Donkey
1296
01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:45.239
Dick Pills VHS, scoofy, everyone's laughing, having a good time,
1297
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:48.199
and then I made church Line to kind of be like, Okay.
1298
01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:50.559
One for them, one for me, right right, So the
1299
01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:55.280
so Joshua would be the one for them. Though, Is
1300
01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:55.920
that what you're saying?
1301
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.360
I don't feel like. I honestly feel like it was
1302
01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:00.760
probably be for everyone. I mean it was like I was,
1303
01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:04.719
I am doing it because it is the ten year janis,
1304
01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:08.079
but also like I'm doing for myself because I do
1305
01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:10.000
want to make sure I make this movie. I also
1306
01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:12.400
like just be completely honest, like I have kids that
1307
01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:15.679
are growing older. I don't know how much longer I'm
1308
01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:18.400
gonna make movies. For it to be completely honest, I
1309
01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:20.239
feel like there'll be a point in time where you know,
1310
01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:23.239
my daughter's like in sports or something, and I got
1311
01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:26.360
to be traveling because this I always work on films
1312
01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:28.480
on the weekends. Yeah, you know, I worked at nine
1313
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:32.519
to five. I got wife, kids, all that stuff. So
1314
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:35.159
like the Weekeeds, it's like, you know, they might go
1315
01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:40.199
to my parents' house or whatever people doing. I'm like, dough,
1316
01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:43.079
there will probably come a time where all my weekends
1317
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:46.920
are you know, doing something like the kids in sports
1318
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:50.000
or yeah, I played sports. I remember one point in time,
1319
01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:52.280
you just you're just traveling all the time, like every
1320
01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:55.920
weekend over here over there. So I'm like, yeah, how
1321
01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:58.519
long can I really sustain? So that was also like
1322
01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:01.119
a big driver of like, man, I gotta make this
1323
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:03.079
fucking movie. While I'm talking about it, well, I got
1324
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:06.800
this idea, like I gotta keep going. And yeah, like
1325
01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:08.719
I said, I don't, I don't know if I'll ever
1326
01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:10.679
like I would ever quit quit, but I do think
1327
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:14.760
there it comes a time where it like slows down significantly.
1328
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:19.119
Well, it sounds like Joshua is sort of the film
1329
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:22.960
that you know, what if for whatever reason, you have
1330
01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:27.800
to stop making films, this is the final like piece
1331
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:31.159
the resistance, you know, like this is like the magnum opus,
1332
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:33.800
Like you know, we're saying all we need to say,
1333
01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:37.479
but also kind of like representing all your friends that
1334
01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:39.760
you've been working with for these past few years, you
1335
01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:42.319
know so, And I mean, and I hope I say
1336
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.560
this respectfully, like with losing your friend Doyle, like I'm
1337
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:48.199
sure that's kind of been a big factor too of
1338
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:51.079
as well, like oh, you know, like life is precious
1339
01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:53.359
and like I got to make that film that really
1340
01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:56.000
counts then, you know, so, I don't know, it sounds
1341
01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:57.920
like it sounds like this has been really cathartic for
1342
01:08:58.079 --> 01:08:58.840
you in a way.
1343
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:03.279
And honestly too, Yeah, I mean that that's perfect. Uh
1344
01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:07.880
we're choice on that because like also we fuck me
1345
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:09.680
and I just get a little deep on you. But
1346
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:13.359
we we had cast Doyle as Joshua. He was supposed
1347
01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:18.800
to be Joshua Wow, And at his funeral there was
1348
01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:21.600
a talk like old friends were like should we not
1349
01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:24.079
do this? Like there's people being like, I don't know,
1350
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:27.720
is this disrespectful to like and I said, we're all drinking.
1351
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:31.800
I was like, it's disrespectful to not do it. Like
1352
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:34.680
I got everyone hyped up in there, like we're fucking
1353
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:37.800
doing it. I was like, I was like, it's for him,
1354
01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:42.239
we're dedicating it to him. Yeah, and since I was
1355
01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:47.479
also my brother also passed away two years ago. Both
1356
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:50.640
these dudes unfortunately took their own lives. So it's it's
1357
01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:54.520
very yeah, so like I'm dedicating it to both of them.
1358
01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:57.239
My brother used to like we he would talk about
1359
01:09:57.319 --> 01:09:59.479
Joshua all the time too. It was like a very like,
1360
01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:01.880
So I was, yeah, we got to dedicate this to
1361
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:05.359
both of those days. Yeah, yeah, it's for them, it's
1362
01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:07.800
for all of us, It's for and it's yeah, it's
1363
01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:10.560
like also it's like I'm scared that I'm running out
1364
01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:13.600
of time with my friends. I'm scared that, you know,
1365
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:17.800
getting older, all of it, everything's coming in homeie. So
1366
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:20.399
I'm like, we're fucking doing it. We're making sure sure.
1367
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:22.359
Yeah, no, thank you for sharing that.
1368
01:10:22.439 --> 01:10:24.399
I don't know if I'm fully going to keep this in,
1369
01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:27.079
but like that does hit me hard because like my
1370
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:28.159
dad took his life.
1371
01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:32.720
So yeah, yeah, yeah, so I appreciate you sharing that.
1372
01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:36.880
Yeah. Every story is different, you know, and I think
1373
01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:41.159
since you're a social worker, like you've probably experienced stories
1374
01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:44.439
probably similar what like happened with my dad who who's
1375
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:49.960
like bipolar and was diagnosed like when he was fifty five,
1376
01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:52.760
so it was just like a downward Yeah, it was
1377
01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:56.000
like a downward spiral until he took his own life.
1378
01:10:56.119 --> 01:10:59.079
So yeah, yeah, it's funny.
1379
01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:01.359
The last episode I put up, I actually mentioned it
1380
01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:04.279
for the first time on the podcast, so I was like, oh, okay, well,
1381
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:07.159
probably done talking about that, and here we are.
1382
01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:11.239
You know, yeah, no no no, no, no, no no
1383
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:14.199
no no, I chose to say it. You didn't say
1384
01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:14.760
anything wrong.
1385
01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:17.159
So I just felt like, oh, well, if you're sharing
1386
01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:19.560
that about yourself, I feel like I kind of owe
1387
01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:21.680
it to you to like share that about myself.
1388
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:23.000
So yeah, so thank you.
1389
01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:32.439
So I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, dude, Yeah, I fucking
1390
01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:37.479
I'm hoping that. Yeah with the Joshua I'm man, but
1391
01:11:37.560 --> 01:11:39.479
I hope will be the tops Fishman hop.
1392
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:45.319
Yeah, it sounds like it's gonna be something really different though, too,
1393
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:48.039
you know what I mean. And I think that's probably
1394
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:51.640
like the best way to go into like making any
1395
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:53.680
new film now is like I don't think you're ever
1396
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:56.079
gonna make fish Beest too, you know what I mean.
1397
01:11:56.319 --> 01:11:56.920
I mean, maybe you.
1398
01:11:56.960 --> 01:11:59.359
Will, literally, but but like whenever you make will be
1399
01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:01.600
something new, And I think I think that's why when
1400
01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:04.199
you're talking about church Wine, I'm like, no, no, no,
1401
01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:07.920
don't be discouraged, like that was such a different project
1402
01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:10.880
for you, Like I would love to see you continue
1403
01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:12.279
in that direction, you know what I mean?
1404
01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:15.840
Absolutely, And I say that too, like I'm not like
1405
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:20.079
I'm not like somebody that's like, oh, the reviews, because honestly, realistically,
1406
01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:23.840
like I made fucking flyers for the Garboyle movie, they
1407
01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:26.560
give me a one star on letter box or lower,
1408
01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:29.600
Like I'll tell people I don't care about the reviews.
1409
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:32.319
My My main thing is like I am a big
1410
01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:35.079
like I'm loyal to the people, like the fans, the
1411
01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:37.840
people that have been here like I do. Like I'm
1412
01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:40.359
like somebody that watches TV and I'm like, why are
1413
01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:42.600
you why are you doing this to me? I've been
1414
01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:47.119
fucking watching this show. We're telling fuck me, fuck you
1415
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:50.720
like that. I'm very like, yeah, man, we should we
1416
01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:53.560
should do what the people that watch that, all the
1417
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:55.680
fans want to do, you know, Like I don't like
1418
01:12:56.399 --> 01:12:59.359
I wouldn't want to like make it be like it's
1419
01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:01.600
controlling me or anything like that, Like if I want
1420
01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:03.479
to make a fucking four K and someone's got a
1421
01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:07.159
problem with it. Sorry, but I'm want to do it.
1422
01:13:07.319 --> 01:13:09.520
Like I'm not saying it like that, but I definitely
1423
01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:12.039
still like I want to respect the people that have
1424
01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:13.880
been here on the journey with me, for sure. I
1425
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.640
want to like give them. That's why I was trying
1426
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:18.520
to like come up with the idea of like I
1427
01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:20.720
one for them, one for me. Well, I do want
1428
01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:24.359
to I do want to experiment with doing more serio.
1429
01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:26.439
I mean, dude, honestly, I like I really wanted to
1430
01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:29.399
make a documentary. I'm a huge fan of documentaries. I
1431
01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:33.000
have a lot of really good ideas for some documentaries,
1432
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:35.920
specifically like where I work at, Like I've worked a
1433
01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:37.880
lot with like the homeless population. I've got a lot
1434
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:41.000
of people housed, but I've also gone to a lot
1435
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:43.920
of camps and seen some gnarly shit out there. Yeah,
1436
01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:46.359
I thought it would be really cool to like, probably
1437
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:48.840
not where I work because that'd be a conflict of interest,
1438
01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:53.479
but other places, because there's like, dude, if you ever
1439
01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:56.000
go to a camp, there's some like wild infrastructures and
1440
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:57.960
they have their own politics in ways that they do
1441
01:13:58.119 --> 01:13:59.640
things out there, and I think it would be really
1442
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:02.880
cool to like show yeah, it's like like the real
1443
01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:06.720
real shit, not just like you know, we're you know
1444
01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:08.680
this that Like I want to show like how it
1445
01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:10.920
actually works, like if people are down to do it.
1446
01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:13.600
And I know that that's a very sensitive topic and
1447
01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:16.600
stuff too, but I think I could like actually show
1448
01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:18.119
like the real deal, you know.
1449
01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:21.680
So yeah, I think that's important, and you know, just
1450
01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:24.640
to for context, like where my wife and I live,
1451
01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:29.520
we actually live around quite a few like encampments, and
1452
01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:32.880
there was a safe injection site just down the street
1453
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:36.319
that got closed down. So like I'm walk into work
1454
01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:39.079
because I work like right downtown as well, and every
1455
01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:41.880
day I walk to work, I'm like walking over people
1456
01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:45.960
where I'm like, maybe they're alive, yeah, a n percent sure.
1457
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:48.760
And there's been times where I've I'm like, oh, I'm
1458
01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:50.760
going to be late to work, texting my boss because
1459
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:52.920
like I'm waiting for an ambulance to show up, you know.
1460
01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:56.359
So it's it's a very real thing going on right now,
1461
01:14:56.479 --> 01:14:58.479
and I don't know, I think that would be really
1462
01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:01.640
cool too, Like if you put something out like that,
1463
01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:03.840
like would it still be under Janus dot click?
1464
01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:07.159
I would like I would honestly, like I would like
1465
01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:10.399
to and like I don't want to like get into
1466
01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:14.520
the like political side, Like that was my big concern
1467
01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:17.279
with that. I don't want to like have a stance
1468
01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:19.760
on anything or say ship like that. I just want
1469
01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:21.479
to show the fucking truth and I want to show
1470
01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:24.720
like what's actually going on and stuff Like I've gone
1471
01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:26.800
to so many camps and I've I've taught I know
1472
01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:28.640
who to talk to, I know how to like whenever
1473
01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:33.079
I'm delivering food or or anything like that and they're
1474
01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:36.680
like this, you know, blah blah blah at the city
1475
01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:38.960
ain't doing shit for us, or like this is not
1476
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:40.640
like I want to show like the kind of like
1477
01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:46.720
people like to say cheerful words or this or that
1478
01:15:47.079 --> 01:15:51.000
and then not do shit or do things that don't
1479
01:15:51.039 --> 01:15:56.359
really work. There's a lot of like performative stuff around, like, uh,
1480
01:15:56.960 --> 01:16:00.439
church stuff too, Like I had to work game I
1481
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:04.199
work with like a church, specifically the well. It's like
1482
01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:06.560
a group of churches and they come in and then
1483
01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:08.720
at the end of the day we had all this
1484
01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:11.640
like food left over from the volunteer work, and they're like,
1485
01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:14.960
let's go give all this food to the poor people.
1486
01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:17.399
And then They're like taking videos and pictures and I'm like,
1487
01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:20.960
what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, but they're like
1488
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:22.960
patting themselves on the back, and there's a lot of
1489
01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:26.680
like I'm thinking, like are they posting this shit on?
1490
01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:28.239
I didn't go check, but I was like, are they
1491
01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:30.800
posting this shit on like social media? Being like, yeah,
1492
01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:34.640
we fed five five poor people today, you know yeah,
1493
01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:37.279
because I ultimately I ended up having to shut them down.
1494
01:16:37.399 --> 01:16:40.800
I told them to give me all because the volunteer groups,
1495
01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:43.680
we got a bunch of food for doing like volunteer work.
1496
01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:45.319
I had to go be in charge of them because
1497
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:47.159
of my work, So I'm like telling them what to do.
1498
01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.920
And then we got like a hundred sandwiches delivered and
1499
01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:53.960
there's probably like thirty volunteers, so there's like a shit
1500
01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:56.720
ton of sandwiches left over. And I told them. I
1501
01:16:56.960 --> 01:16:59.159
was like, they were like, can we go hand them
1502
01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:02.399
out to the resident And I was like sure, that's fine,
1503
01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:04.560
until I realized that they were taking pictures and I
1504
01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:09.079
was like delete that because also like hippo and fucking
1505
01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:13.920
like you know, privacy information like all that shit. I'm like,
1506
01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:15.960
people like I had to like snap at this le
1507
01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:18.159
cause like some people fucking live here because of the
1508
01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:21.159
mestic violence. They don't. You can't, you legally can't out
1509
01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:25.399
right now, And well I just wanted to we're out,
1510
01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:27.640
You're doing good, And I was like, the fucking do good?
1511
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:30.800
Don't What are you doing? Fucking documented all this right then,
1512
01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:35.800
So like I had to literally be like, Okay, I'm
1513
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:38.680
taking all the sandwiches. Everyone leave, Like I had to
1514
01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:42.680
like kick all of them out, and then like fuck,
1515
01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:44.000
this would be the first time I talked about but
1516
01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:45.920
I was like, on I was leaving because I was
1517
01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:48.119
taking all the sandwiches to is plate. I know where
1518
01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:50.680
to go. I know, like the there is like a
1519
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:53.640
couple like I guess you'd call like like a soup
1520
01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:55.600
kitchen or whatever. Like I know where they because I
1521
01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:58.079
know the people because I didn't go over there. Someone
1522
01:17:58.199 --> 01:17:59.920
like texting one of the ladies, Hey, I'm coming over.
1523
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:04.720
I got okay, I just drop it off. And but
1524
01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:09.319
I've seen somebody out outside, you know, on the flight
1525
01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:13.560
flying you know, so I like stop by says he's,
1526
01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:15.840
you know, hey, I'm hungry. I like pulled up. I
1527
01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:18.239
was like, you also sandwiches, dude. He's like, hell yeah,
1528
01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:26.079
And you know, what I forgot to take a picture
1529
01:18:26.119 --> 01:18:29.279
and posted on my Facebook, so it didn't happen.
1530
01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:36.319
That's really frustrating. And yeah, I can I didn't even
1531
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:37.159
think about it like that.
1532
01:18:37.399 --> 01:18:38.000
But it's not.
1533
01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:40.199
I mean, it's gross the fact that people are like, oh,
1534
01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:43.279
I'm being such a good Samaritan and I'm giving up
1535
01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:45.359
food like shower me and likes.
1536
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:48.119
But also the fact that like you are exposing someone
1537
01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:50.880
potentially to hide.
1538
01:18:51.159 --> 01:18:54.920
Yeah, it's big bed because some of the places is
1539
01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:58.439
literally specifically where I work at, especially like some of
1540
01:18:58.520 --> 01:18:59.880
the sites, because I had to like go to the
1541
01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:03.880
sites to like check on this, check on that progress
1542
01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:08.359
and I had to go in there. And that's why
1543
01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:11.359
I was like, guys, this whole fucking side is domestic
1544
01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:14.800
violence survivors do not you can't go talk to them,
1545
01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:17.720
like you can't, like I ain't need because like I
1546
01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:20.079
have rapport with them and like and even then it's
1547
01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:23.000
like you're a dude going and knocking on the door
1548
01:19:23.079 --> 01:19:26.119
and fucking taking pictures of fucking stop like you can't.
1549
01:19:26.680 --> 01:19:29.840
I'm like, you guys are doing damage rend now. Oh
1550
01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:34.199
so like that it's man's all the volunteers too. I
1551
01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:35.880
have to like I was like I'm not the fire
1552
01:19:35.960 --> 01:19:38.079
people right now because being an asshole.
1553
01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:42.840
Yeah yeah, it kind of makes sense now to me,
1554
01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:45.840
you know, because I asked surely, like would you ever
1555
01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:49.399
make a serious film without comedy? And like I kind
1556
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:52.640
of understand now why you know you are such a
1557
01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:55.600
like jokey and jovial person and then you make these
1558
01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:58.000
films that are full of comedy, because it sounds like
1559
01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:01.199
you do see a lot of like upsetting things.
1560
01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:06.800
I see there's a lot of ship too, and like
1561
01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:09.119
I've talked to people about to where I'm like, it's
1562
01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:13.079
it's and it's like I feel like a dick sometimes
1563
01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:15.640
to like my friends, like because I have like a
1564
01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:18.800
buddy that's just like man, I'm going through it. My girlfriend,
1565
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:23.079
you know, she's not really receiving this from me or
1566
01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:26.079
like we're just kind of not communicating well. And I'm like, well,
1567
01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:27.960
you know, today I've seen a dead body and they
1568
01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:30.800
overdo so like I don't want to hear, and like
1569
01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:33.720
like I've I've even tried to like talk to them
1570
01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:36.439
about like I have a little bit of empathy fatigue.
1571
01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:39.279
I'm not trying to be like that normally. And I
1572
01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:43.720
am like almost always there for anybody anytime I try.
1573
01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:47.840
But when it's like little Ship, that's like, man, sometimes
1574
01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:50.560
I'm sorry to say, but I don't care about that.
1575
01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:55.119
Whenever I do see the most tragedy, I see fucking
1576
01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:57.359
kids get taken from their family. We had to deal
1577
01:20:57.439 --> 01:21:00.640
with foster care. Like, and I've worked in I don't
1578
01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:03.920
like I've seen all the ship where it's like over time,
1579
01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:06.960
it's like it takes a while for me to like, oh,
1580
01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:09.680
that was fucked. I'm just normally like just keep going
1581
01:21:09.880 --> 01:21:14.159
just you know whatever. So yeah, sometimes I don't and
1582
01:21:14.199 --> 01:21:16.159
I'm like, I'm not trying to be a dick, but
1583
01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:19.239
I'm making jokes about it, like that's why I go to.
1584
01:21:22.039 --> 01:21:24.479
Yeah, I mean it kind of makes sense too then
1585
01:21:24.760 --> 01:21:27.159
because I find like I can, you know, become a
1586
01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:30.760
workaholic when I'm like trying not to think about things
1587
01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:34.039
that are really like plaguing me. So it sounds like
1588
01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:37.439
so I did not intend for this to because it's
1589
01:21:37.439 --> 01:21:39.920
funny because you're kind of like laying back and I'm
1590
01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:41.840
like sitting forward. I'm like, I hope this isn't turning
1591
01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:49.720
into like a therapy there, but yeah, no, I totally.
1592
01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:51.119
Get it, and you know, I just U.
1593
01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:54.720
It makes us a lot of sense, like where you're
1594
01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:57.840
coming from and doing Joshua, and I just I hope
1595
01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:00.479
that it I hope that it isn't the final Jannis
1596
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:03.000
doc click movie. But oh, the other thing I want
1597
01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:06.680
to say too earlier, because you were talking about the
1598
01:22:07.960 --> 01:22:10.119
whole thing of like wanting to make films that are
1599
01:22:10.199 --> 01:22:13.600
like pleasing to your fans, and I think the like,
1600
01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:15.840
you're absolutely right, and it kind of makes me think
1601
01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:17.479
of like being in a band. Like being in a
1602
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:19.520
band is kind of like that, right, You're like, oh,
1603
01:22:19.600 --> 01:22:22.119
if the audience is like cheering or mashing.
1604
01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:24.479
To this specific kind of song, let's do that kind
1605
01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:24.800
of song.
1606
01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:27.279
But the thing that I feel like people should always
1607
01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:30.479
remember is that the first time you made something at all,
1608
01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:34.600
like madeor first film that like took off, it was
1609
01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:38.000
you making something out of nowhere, you know, like taking
1610
01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:40.520
a risk. So it's like that's why, that's why, like
1611
01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:43.439
taking a risk is always important, you know what I mean.
1612
01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:45.640
So but it's like you have to find that balance.
1613
01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:49.239
So yeah, no, you're absolutely right, because we I used
1614
01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:51.479
to be in a band. I've been in several bands,
1615
01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:55.239
and like I remember we had this fucking I don't
1616
01:22:55.239 --> 01:22:57.439
even know a genre would be considered, but it would
1617
01:22:57.479 --> 01:23:01.119
be more. I remember the singer songwriter. He took ship
1618
01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:03.600
very seriously and it was like all this stuff, but
1619
01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:06.399
we would like be back at our apartment jam and
1620
01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:08.920
and you know, he's just playing acoustic guitar and he
1621
01:23:09.079 --> 01:23:12.840
like wrote like a pop punk type song and everybody
1622
01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:14.720
loved it, and he's like I hate it. I don't
1623
01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:17.479
And then eventually we're like, we gotta play it. That
1624
01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:21.279
shows because people fucking turn up for it, like they
1625
01:23:21.359 --> 01:23:24.319
go hard to that song. And he's he literally named
1626
01:23:24.359 --> 01:23:26.800
the song like that goddamn pop punk song that no
1627
01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:28.600
one will shut the fuck up about herself.
1628
01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:34.199
What a like like a weird curse in a way.
1629
01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:36.920
I think that would that would make a good Twilight
1630
01:23:37.039 --> 01:23:40.319
Zone episode or story of just like the person that's
1631
01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:43.960
like everything I make that I hate is is successful.
1632
01:23:44.319 --> 01:23:45.239
You know, he's the best.
1633
01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:49.560
Yeah, find a way to make that as like demented
1634
01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:52.319
as possible, you know what I mean, Like take that
1635
01:23:52.439 --> 01:23:55.359
to like the furthest extreme and and like a Genistuta
1636
01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:57.960
universe kind of way you could.
1637
01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:00.119
I don't know, I do. I like That's why I
1638
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:02.800
was like, I like to put a one for the
1639
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:06.119
one for me keep it. So then I was like
1640
01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:09.000
came like, well you didn't like church swine. At least
1641
01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:15.920
you got fucking donkey dick pills last year. Yea some insanity.
1642
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:20.560
Yeah, I'm sure there's people that like both so oh.
1643
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:23.760
Absolutely, and I have I've been. There's some like diehard fans.
1644
01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:26.239
Like there's like people that will like the second I
1645
01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:29.840
put anything out, just buy it. They don't even like
1646
01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:31.920
tech me like what you think, Like I don't watched it.
1647
01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:34.680
They just like have like a fucking shrine or something.
1648
01:24:35.119 --> 01:24:37.199
There's a guy that like really does he has like
1649
01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:43.239
all my ship and he came from Ohio to I
1650
01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:45.239
think I was in Detroit and he came to get
1651
01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:47.319
a picture with me and stuff. He's like, dude, I
1652
01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:48.960
have and he was like showing me like all the
1653
01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:51.239
ship at his house. He's like I got all this.
1654
01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:55.520
And then there's this other person I actually don't know
1655
01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:58.239
where she lives at, but she was like fucking obsessed
1656
01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:00.760
with fish pace. There's like several people that are There's
1657
01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:05.680
somebody that's got a fish pisce tattoo. Yeah, like like
1658
01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:09.720
just across her shoulder and says like fish piece and
1659
01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:12.399
then there was somebody that like was on letterbox that
1660
01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:15.960
was like, I have to watch this movie. So like
1661
01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:18.920
it's so I don't remember what what units of time
1662
01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:20.399
she said, like it was like a month or like
1663
01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:23.359
quarterly or what she was saying how much she loved
1664
01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:26.079
it and how much she's like meant to her. And
1665
01:25:26.199 --> 01:25:27.600
I just like got on there and I was like
1666
01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:30.920
you want the costume and she was like, oh my god, yes,
1667
01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:33.399
and I was like sure, I'll just I'll give it
1668
01:25:33.439 --> 01:25:35.920
to you. So like I sent her the fish piss
1669
01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:40.880
costume and the mail and she's so many pictures all
1670
01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:42.920
of her Instagram. You're wearing it like.
1671
01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:49.159
That's a that's that's fucking magical, like be so stoked
1672
01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:52.239
and happened to be like, oh my.
1673
01:25:52.319 --> 01:25:55.840
God, yeah, well I was like fuck. I was like,
1674
01:25:56.119 --> 01:25:58.239
you know, we were talking about is there gonna be
1675
01:25:58.239 --> 01:25:59.840
a two? I don't know, but I was like, it's
1676
01:25:59.880 --> 01:26:02.119
just sitting in a drawer in my basement. Like I
1677
01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:04.800
was like, if somebody gonna like love it and actually
1678
01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:06.920
cherish it, I'll give it to him. I gave so
1679
01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:10.439
many the fucking trek crack man uh at showing in
1680
01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:14.239
Alabama and they were like, man, I was like, I
1681
01:26:14.239 --> 01:26:14.640
don't care.
1682
01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:19.960
Damn. Yeah, that's exciting. That's better than any Like that's
1683
01:26:20.279 --> 01:26:23.199
to me. That cancels out all bad reviews. You know,
1684
01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:30.479
someone gets the tattoo of your movie, like holy shit, yeah.
1685
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:33.600
Because so I have the one right here. And then Kyle,
1686
01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:36.720
the lead actor from Fish Piss, he also got the
1687
01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:40.119
same fish pist monster tattoo. For a long time, we're like,
1688
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:42.840
that's the only fish pist tattoos, and then yet somebody
1689
01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:44.960
got it across their shoulder and I.
1690
01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:48.720
Was like, holy ship, does it say fish piss or
1691
01:26:48.760 --> 01:26:49.720
it's just the creature?
1692
01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:53.239
Oh wow, hers just says fish piss And me and
1693
01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:57.640
Kyle got the creature where friends was like some tattoo
1694
01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:00.239
artists and stuff, and I like, I went to and
1695
01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:01.920
I was like, can you make it look traditional? Like
1696
01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:04.880
I really like the traditional flash stuff? So I told
1697
01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:06.640
him and he was like, oh yeah, so like if
1698
01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:08.239
you look at it's got like the rope and like
1699
01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:10.359
the flower underneaths and all that stuff. I don't know,
1700
01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:14.760
but you can do it like in a traditional style there. So,
1701
01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:23.760
because yeah, Fish Pits is on trauma streaming and I
1702
01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:26.880
don't know what happened if somebody like pulled it off
1703
01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:29.399
of there and then like they uploaded it to like
1704
01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:34.800
some free bootleg movie website or something, and it like
1705
01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:37.199
it blew up like for like a minute. It was
1706
01:27:37.279 --> 01:27:40.319
like a week of because it was on this free
1707
01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:43.439
streaming site. Like I had all these people hitting me
1708
01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:46.000
up and what sucks is that my old YouTube channel
1709
01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:49.800
is gone now. But I had the trailer for fish
1710
01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:52.920
Pits on there and it reached like fucking like fifty
1711
01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:55.880
thousand views because people were like going and looking it
1712
01:27:56.000 --> 01:28:00.600
up and like, yeah, they were just shitting because now
1713
01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:03.960
this is this is normal people that found it and
1714
01:28:04.039 --> 01:28:06.680
then was what the fuck is this like if you
1715
01:28:07.439 --> 01:28:14.039
box the insane reviews on there, so we did. We
1716
01:28:14.199 --> 01:28:16.640
used to have a podcast, me Draaming and Kyle the
1717
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:20.399
Three Fish Piss and we used to do a podcast.
1718
01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:25.479
So whenever it was discovered that, uh, there's all this
1719
01:28:25.640 --> 01:28:29.239
fish pisce talk going on, we just got on and
1720
01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:31.479
and read the reviews and just talked ship back to
1721
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.600
him and we'd be like there was like some girls
1722
01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:37.119
like my boyfriend made me watch this. This was the
1723
01:28:37.199 --> 01:28:41.199
final straw. I broke up with them, like you wine,
1724
01:28:41.720 --> 01:28:46.640
he broke up with you. Some dude in the UK
1725
01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:51.920
that like does uh movie reviews, like just dissected it.
1726
01:28:52.119 --> 01:28:54.199
Like he was like, what the fuck is this? What?
1727
01:28:54.680 --> 01:29:00.199
Clearly this is a man, Clearly this is a more Well,
1728
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:03.399
what's the last movie reviewed like fucking Dune or something
1729
01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:06.840
like some big Hollywood and you're comparing me to like
1730
01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:10.640
he's like big block bust. He was like this trash
1731
01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:14.680
to rubbish. You know what?
1732
01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:17.640
You just reminded me of a moment that I was
1733
01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:21.279
that I totally was fooled by. It was near the
1734
01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:24.720
end when like the sea creature that a woman shows up.
1735
01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:26.840
I actually at first was until she.
1736
01:29:27.079 --> 01:29:27.920
Fully opened it.
1737
01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:31.039
I was like, oh my god, did they actually get
1738
01:29:31.079 --> 01:29:33.600
a woman to like go topless in this movie? And
1739
01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:35.800
then once it opens, I was like, oh no, no,
1740
01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:39.880
never mind, which was like I was kind of relieved
1741
01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:40.359
to tell you that.
1742
01:29:43.239 --> 01:29:49.119
So that's uh, that's Draymond our cameraman. He bought those
1743
01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:52.960
fake boobs, And I remember whenever he bought it, he
1744
01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:54.840
was because he was like, man, I want to chip in.
1745
01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:56.640
I feel bad You've been spending all the money on
1746
01:29:56.680 --> 01:29:59.199
the movie. What do you mean. I was like, well, funk,
1747
01:29:59.199 --> 01:30:01.600
we basically got it everything. I was like we need
1748
01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:05.000
the tripod and then I was like, man, we really
1749
01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:08.000
need to get some boobs on this. And then he's like,
1750
01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:10.399
I will buy the boobs, and he goes on Amazon
1751
01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:13.880
and he buys the thick boobs. Yeah, He's like, one condition,
1752
01:30:14.039 --> 01:30:16.119
I don't wear them. And I was like, okay, I'm
1753
01:30:16.119 --> 01:30:18.079
sure we can figure that out once we get We'll
1754
01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:21.479
cross that bridge when we get there. Well, day comes
1755
01:30:21.680 --> 01:30:26.640
and we are on set. It's me, Kyle Drayman and
1756
01:30:26.720 --> 01:30:28.680
my wife and I'm like, well, my wife's not gonna
1757
01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:32.079
fucking wear boobs on our boobs, so like I have
1758
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:34.119
to be I'm the monster. And then I was like
1759
01:30:34.199 --> 01:30:37.640
and I'm fighting Kyle. So I was like, like, all
1760
01:30:37.720 --> 01:30:41.319
signs are pointing to dream and he's like he's like no, no, dude,
1761
01:30:41.319 --> 01:30:44.079
are you serious. And I'm like, I don't know, we're
1762
01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:47.840
like postponed and maybe like like but we're already out
1763
01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:51.720
here me and he's like, god damn it. He has
1764
01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:54.039
really long hair. So like, my wife braided his hair
1765
01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:59.520
into the big tails and we got we got him
1766
01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:00.600
into the ball and he did that.
1767
01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:02.880
Has your wife been in any of your films?
1768
01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:08.800
Yeah, she's in the Gargoyle and she's the one that is, uh, hey,
1769
01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:11.199
I found the sad little guy outside. He wants to
1770
01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:11.880
come party.
1771
01:31:12.960 --> 01:31:18.720
Uh yeah, yeah, so she brings him to the party.
1772
01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:24.000
Yeah yeah, Okay, okay. How does she feel about Janie
1773
01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:25.760
Stuck Click and all the movies you've made?
1774
01:31:26.760 --> 01:31:29.000
Oh, she wants me to completely be dumb.
1775
01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:33.800
Oh I thought you said that your wife and kids
1776
01:31:33.840 --> 01:31:34.880
were gone for the weekend.
1777
01:31:36.119 --> 01:31:39.720
She supports some movies, but sometimes she's like, you do
1778
01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:42.479
too much, you know, like that type of ship like
1779
01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:46.439
I'm constantly doing. I mean I've been traveling a lot,
1780
01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:49.199
like helping with you know, like I I just went
1781
01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:52.079
to Philly last year for a week to be in Bruce's,
1782
01:31:52.319 --> 01:31:55.760
which is like it was some of the funnest times
1783
01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:57.600
in my life Haynes out. I was like, man, I
1784
01:31:57.640 --> 01:31:59.880
fucking love Philly. It was my first time coming to Philly,
1785
01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:02.439
all this ship. It was amazing. I had such a
1786
01:32:02.520 --> 01:32:06.479
great time. I love that whole crew. Everybody out there
1787
01:32:06.560 --> 01:32:08.920
is so much fun. They're so nice. Yeah, it was
1788
01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:11.640
gone for a week and I'm the one that drops
1789
01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:13.720
my kids off at school and I do so it's
1790
01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:16.199
like a lot of like cashing in favors where I'm
1791
01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:20.279
like calling grandma or you know, uncle, such as, hey,
1792
01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:22.079
can you come by? Who would you take quick? And
1793
01:32:22.119 --> 01:32:25.520
then they're like what are you doing? I'm on set
1794
01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:27.720
for a movie. And then they're like you better be
1795
01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:32.960
getting paid some good money. And I'm like, no, what
1796
01:32:33.079 --> 01:32:34.720
the fuck are you doing? Like when you try to
1797
01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:38.600
explain to some way that doesn't ship at all, Like
1798
01:32:38.680 --> 01:32:40.199
for me, I'm like, this is a once in a
1799
01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:44.680
lifetime opportunity totally. Bruce is awesome, like his his ship's
1800
01:32:44.760 --> 01:32:47.279
so like he's out of like a lot of the
1801
01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:50.159
underground people I would say, like him and David Dawson
1802
01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:53.279
and like Anthony Leroy, like they're gonna be they had
1803
01:32:53.319 --> 01:32:55.520
the best chance of making it like t like a
1804
01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:58.479
different level you know of like all that stuff. So
1805
01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:00.000
I was like, man, I want to have the opportunity
1806
01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:03.000
to be in one of the original films of Bruces
1807
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:06.399
before it fucking blows up and like goes and work
1808
01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:09.239
for Shutter or whatever, you know, Like, yeah, I could
1809
01:33:09.279 --> 01:33:12.079
be like I was there at the beginning. Yeah, it
1810
01:33:12.199 --> 01:33:14.199
was just so much fun too, Like I had the
1811
01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:18.079
time of my life. But it's it's hard for me
1812
01:33:18.199 --> 01:33:22.319
to kind of like make these uh, I mean I guess.
1813
01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:24.399
I guess the cool thing with that it would be
1814
01:33:24.439 --> 01:33:27.399
if I was to do that again, my kids are older.
1815
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:30.279
My daughter will be walking herself to school next year,
1816
01:33:30.319 --> 01:33:33.119
so there's like little those things will be like, okay,
1817
01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:35.920
you know that that I was a latch key kid
1818
01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:36.399
like ship.
1819
01:33:39.720 --> 01:33:40.159
Maybe just.
1820
01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:45.640
Exactly when you try to explain it to like somebody
1821
01:33:45.640 --> 01:33:48.760
that had zero idea what's going on there, it's either
1822
01:33:48.840 --> 01:33:50.840
the first thing is like damn, I hope you made
1823
01:33:50.920 --> 01:33:53.760
some money or what the fuck are you doing? Like
1824
01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:57.600
wasting your time and money you doing ship? Because I'm like, well,
1825
01:33:57.680 --> 01:33:59.600
I really, I guess it costs me money because I
1826
01:33:59.640 --> 01:34:02.560
had to get a rental car and like go you know,
1827
01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:05.720
drive up or gas money and stuff. Obviously, like Bruce
1828
01:34:05.800 --> 01:34:07.479
put us up in an Airbnb and stuff, so I
1829
01:34:07.560 --> 01:34:11.199
wasn't paying for that. And he played fish Piss at
1830
01:34:11.239 --> 01:34:13.039
the theater, so I actually got paid for that, and
1831
01:34:13.079 --> 01:34:14.800
I was able to make some seals and stuff. So
1832
01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:17.399
I think it like kind of canceled each other out,
1833
01:34:17.439 --> 01:34:21.159
like I was on going into my own pocket for stuff.
1834
01:34:21.199 --> 01:34:23.960
But if you were to, like, you know, if I
1835
01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:26.840
was like to try to talk to like Grandma or whoever,
1836
01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:29.479
I like had and then they're like, well, back in
1837
01:34:29.560 --> 01:34:31.520
my day, the men took care of their families, and
1838
01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:35.960
I'm like, like, Grandma, I had vacation of time of work.
1839
01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:38.159
I'm not like, you know, I'm like trying to explain,
1840
01:34:38.359 --> 01:34:41.359
like it means a lot to me to Okay, oh,
1841
01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:43.520
go have phone with you and your little friends.
1842
01:34:43.239 --> 01:34:46.319
Out there, your little filmmaker friends.
1843
01:34:47.199 --> 01:34:50.920
Yeah, honestly, like, just just take comfort in the fact
1844
01:34:50.920 --> 01:34:54.720
that everyone has those conversations with their family, you know.
1845
01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:56.359
It's it's across the board.
1846
01:34:56.520 --> 01:35:00.079
My my wife's been pursuing acting since, like you, she
1847
01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:03.880
went to university for acting and stuff. Oh yeah, she's
1848
01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:08.159
actually working on something with Anthony Leroy that they're filming
1849
01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:10.199
that I'm going to be kind.
1850
01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:11.079
Of in a little bit.
1851
01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:12.199
I think we're filming.
1852
01:35:12.600 --> 01:35:15.319
Yeah, we're filming in September, so kind of like a
1853
01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:16.479
horror short.
1854
01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:21.479
So yeah, yeah, yeah. That dude, I like, I would
1855
01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:24.319
say he's got he's also like one of the ones
1856
01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:26.319
where I like, he's got a good chance of like
1857
01:35:27.119 --> 01:35:31.560
elevating to that next level sort of deal. And I
1858
01:35:31.720 --> 01:35:34.399
thought I've had talks with him too. I just like
1859
01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:36.239
I don't have a passport right now because I was like, dude,
1860
01:35:36.279 --> 01:35:38.239
I would come out there. That's like another one where
1861
01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:39.760
I'm like I would come out there to be in
1862
01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:42.520
a movie. Yeah. Yeah, And we were like having a
1863
01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:47.479
conversation back and forth about it, because yeah, we were like, man,
1864
01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:49.720
I was like, I gotta get a passport, and like
1865
01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:51.319
even text Villa a days like do you got your
1866
01:35:51.359 --> 01:35:52.960
passport yet? I'm like no, I'm.
1867
01:35:52.800 --> 01:35:56.399
Fucking yeah we are.
1868
01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:59.199
We're actually talking way longer than I thought we would,
1869
01:35:59.239 --> 01:36:00.680
but that's totally fine.
1870
01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:03.079
It's been really enjoyable talking with you. Man.
1871
01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:07.920
Yeah, if you're cool to wind things down, then we'll
1872
01:36:07.960 --> 01:36:10.399
move to the questionnaire and then I'll let you get
1873
01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:13.119
on you. I'm sure your wife probably wants to start
1874
01:36:13.199 --> 01:36:14.880
making sounds again because she's.
1875
01:36:14.760 --> 01:36:15.880
Probably being really quiet.
1876
01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:17.880
He's flipping me off right now.
1877
01:36:24.159 --> 01:36:27.680
Okay, yeah, so we'll move to the questionnaire and yeah.
1878
01:36:27.760 --> 01:36:31.000
So basically, in terms of plugging anything, you've got click
1879
01:36:31.079 --> 01:36:31.680
fest going on.
1880
01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:35.600
It's September. I was a teenage gargoyle.
1881
01:36:36.479 --> 01:36:40.319
Hopefully will be available again for people to buy, and
1882
01:36:40.479 --> 01:36:43.119
Joshua I look forward to checking that out when it's done.
1883
01:36:44.199 --> 01:36:46.680
Yeah, and if people have patients with me, I think
1884
01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:49.239
the house should be sold by the end of the year,
1885
01:36:49.399 --> 01:36:52.720
and I should be it. So I'm visualizing I'm in
1886
01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:55.119
a new house at the end of the year, and
1887
01:36:55.199 --> 01:36:58.520
then I'm fully stocked again, then big cartels running because
1888
01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:00.239
I've had a lot of people reach out, where are
1889
01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:02.520
you gonna like, I'm trying to get shipped out of
1890
01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:03.159
my house right now.
1891
01:37:03.239 --> 01:37:06.880
Yeah, it's sometimes nice to build a bit of that
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kind of like like desperation, you know.
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So yeah, for sure. So well is everyone has patients
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with me, it'll be back.
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Okay, cool, cool, cool?
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All right?
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Questionnaire? What is one item you can't live without?
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My glasses? I have to have my glasses. Okay, fair enough,
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that's the first thing I read for in the morning.
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It's not yeah, i'd say that. I don't. I'm not
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super attached to a lot of things. Okay, okay.
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What was the last great movie you saw in theaters?
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Uh?
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Man? I went I saw Poppers, the Volcan movie with
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my son, and it was like probably I think it
1906
01:37:55.479 --> 01:37:57.600
was like a couple of weeks after Doyle had passed,
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01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:01.920
and I was just I read it's a little kid's movie.
1908
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But yeah, like, what's wrong? Don't they just keep watching
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the movie? Yeah?
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No, I totally get.
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I feel like a lot of those kids films, they
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always kind of sneak in some really heavy themes, like
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I don't know if you've ever seen was it?
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I think Toy Story three?
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No, And I won't watch you because of that cause
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don't they all go away or something?
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What was the last what was the last great concert
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you went too?
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Uh? Tiger's Jaw. I just saw Tiger's Jaw Okay, I
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think it was last month I went and seen them. Yeah,
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A huge fan of Talkers Show. I know they're like
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not super mainstream or anything. And then I'm going to
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Monts Mass in September. That's probably the band is Moods Mass.
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Yeah, no, I know Tiger's draw. Where are they on
1925
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Run for Cover? They were on Run for Cover?
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Yeah, I think so. And they've been around for a
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long time and I felt like they're in the last
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couple of years like just growing exponentially because I felt
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like it was like, yeah, they're going And then I
1930
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remember I saw I drove myself specific because like they
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would do tours and they wouldn't come here to Missouri though,
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like they never like they it would be like it'd
1933
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have to be like a big festival, and I fucking
1934
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hate festivals, to be honest, Like I hate, like I
1935
01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:28.159
just get overwhelmed. There's three people, and then I feel
1936
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like if I'm watching this band over here, I feel like, oh,
1937
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I have to make a choice between this band and
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this band, and then like sometimes I try to do
1939
01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:40.159
both and it's it's it's not it's like, honestly, it's overwhelming.
1940
01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:43.119
Sure, So I drove.
1941
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I had me and like a group of friends, we
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drove to ann Arbor, which is like eight hours from
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here to Sea Tiger's Job perform and they did that
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their self titled album. It was like when they did
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I think it was like twenty eighteen and they did
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front to back self titled album and I fucking I
1947
01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:04.880
got to meet Ben the singer Juner, I got to
1948
01:40:04.960 --> 01:40:06.840
get a picture with them and stuff I got to
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01:40:07.479 --> 01:40:10.119
so I love them and so I got to see them, yeah,
1950
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a month ago, and it was it was a packed.
1951
01:40:13.399 --> 01:40:15.239
It was huge and it was like so many people
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01:40:15.279 --> 01:40:17.840
in there. And then they had mentioned they were like wow,
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like we'll actually start coming back now because it's like
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this is a go for us.
1955
01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:28.600
Okay, what was the last great book you read.
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01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:35.119
I think a man thinketh It's about like killing your
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01:40:35.159 --> 01:40:37.560
ego and stuff like ego dads and like how a
1958
01:40:37.640 --> 01:40:41.159
lot of stuff do we do in life? And really
1959
01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:44.840
like it gets deep. But it's just a short book.
1960
01:40:45.479 --> 01:40:49.079
And uh, you know, I man, I wish i'd read
1961
01:40:49.119 --> 01:40:53.920
more books. That's probably the one that I feel like books.
1962
01:40:55.000 --> 01:40:58.880
Okay, So for his final meal, John Wayne Gacy picked
1963
01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:03.319
KFC chicken, shrimp, and strawberries for your final meal before
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01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:04.239
being executed.
1965
01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:05.000
What would you pick?
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01:41:06.680 --> 01:41:09.119
Shit? I don't know. I always I think about that.
1967
01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:11.720
Sometimes I watch a lot of True Crown stuff. I
1968
01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:16.560
think it's hilarious whenever they order like a grape or
1969
01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:19.560
something like I forget, who did that? Noe, Like he's
1970
01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:23.800
ordered one single grape and I'm like, dude, you're fucking insane.
1971
01:41:26.159 --> 01:41:29.000
But I am. I love food, I really do. I
1972
01:41:29.079 --> 01:41:32.960
love food. I've been like really into ramen lately. That
1973
01:41:33.239 --> 01:41:37.560
might be I also can like I love fucking just
1974
01:41:37.720 --> 01:41:40.359
like Chinese food. Like I don't know, it be some
1975
01:41:40.520 --> 01:41:43.000
mixture of that, like some sweet and sour chicken and
1976
01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:48.119
uh some you know pork ramen, Like oh it's so good.
1977
01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:52.079
What about like a dessert or drink.
1978
01:41:53.119 --> 01:41:55.399
Yeah, I do, Like I do. I have a huge
1979
01:41:55.439 --> 01:41:59.239
sweet tooth. I really like and like the simple stuff
1980
01:41:59.279 --> 01:42:01.600
like cookie dough, fuck up a whole thing cookie dow
1981
01:42:02.159 --> 01:42:04.720
And if fucking drink whatever I want, i'd probably drinking
1982
01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:06.439
probably like twelve bush.
1983
01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:08.880
Lights light beer.
1984
01:42:09.079 --> 01:42:13.039
Eh yeah, I don't know. I just I Whenever I
1985
01:42:13.239 --> 01:42:15.279
was like twenty one, I remember being like, oh I
1986
01:42:15.319 --> 01:42:17.039
could buy beers and I used to buy a craft
1987
01:42:17.159 --> 01:42:19.920
beer all the time, and I really love like iks
1988
01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:24.159
same thirty, I was like, give me fucking bush light,
1989
01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:27.000
and like, I just it's now. I remember my dad,
1990
01:42:27.880 --> 01:42:30.800
uh seeing him once, He's like always drinking that fucking
1991
01:42:30.920 --> 01:42:34.560
craft beer bullshit, and he only drinks light for my
1992
01:42:34.680 --> 01:42:37.560
whole like you know, my whole life and like interactions,
1993
01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:40.560
He's always just drink bud light. He'll never fucking drink
1994
01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:43.000
anything else. And he drinks a ship ton of beer too.
1995
01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:45.239
And I used to be like you to open your mind,
1996
01:42:45.319 --> 01:42:48.000
And now I'm like that where I'm like this bush light.
1997
01:42:48.079 --> 01:42:50.039
I remember I was at the bar not too long
1998
01:42:50.079 --> 01:42:51.840
ago that they give me bush heavy and I'm like,
1999
01:42:52.079 --> 01:42:53.600
uh no, bush light?
2000
01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:54.920
What's bush heavy?
2001
01:42:55.920 --> 01:42:57.119
Like the not light?
2002
01:42:57.479 --> 01:43:00.359
Oh okay, I've never heard it said like that, but yeah,
2003
01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:01.680
that's what we say.
2004
01:43:04.159 --> 01:43:06.800
Okay, so your final meal would be like ramen and
2005
01:43:07.520 --> 01:43:11.920
Chinese food like sweet and Star chicken with bush light
2006
01:43:12.199 --> 01:43:18.000
and cookie dough. Yeah, well that sounds amazing, fantastic. Okay,
2007
01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:19.319
final question.
2008
01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:22.000
Can art go too far?
2009
01:43:24.159 --> 01:43:28.199
Yeah? Absolutely? Sometimes I hear her sometimes, I like, because
2010
01:43:28.760 --> 01:43:31.680
art is so like just huge, it's just broad, you know,
2011
01:43:32.199 --> 01:43:34.760
and I hear these like people that are like I'm
2012
01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:37.439
an artist. Like there's this girl, fuck, I forget the
2013
01:43:37.479 --> 01:43:41.960
whole story, but she's like, I just got outside naked
2014
01:43:42.079 --> 01:43:43.880
with a sign that says do whatever you want to
2015
01:43:43.960 --> 01:43:46.800
me for twenty four hours. And I'm like, and she like,
2016
01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:49.199
it's like a I think I've heard on like YouTube
2017
01:43:49.279 --> 01:43:51.079
or something. And she had people talk to her and
2018
01:43:51.199 --> 01:43:54.600
like hit her, like sexually assault her, like droll on
2019
01:43:54.680 --> 01:43:57.199
her came up and stapled her. And I was like,
2020
01:43:57.840 --> 01:44:02.760
that's I'm sorry, I don't feel like that's art. People
2021
01:44:02.840 --> 01:44:06.760
are like applauding and they're like, awesome art, amazing artist?
2022
01:44:08.720 --> 01:44:09.319
Is that though?
2023
01:44:09.439 --> 01:44:12.199
I don't? And then yes, so people talk, so I'm
2024
01:44:12.239 --> 01:44:13.479
like that's probably too far.
2025
01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:18.920
Perfect example, really, yeah, I you.
2026
01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:23.640
Know, there's movies and stuff. What is that fucking dude
2027
01:44:23.720 --> 01:44:26.319
that made that movie. That's like, people don't know if
2028
01:44:26.359 --> 01:44:32.239
he's really amusing. People are not. Yeah, that's probably pretty far.
2029
01:44:32.399 --> 01:44:38.880
That's probably why are you doing this? And and then
2030
01:44:39.079 --> 01:44:41.560
people some people are like this is pure art. Some
2031
01:44:41.640 --> 01:44:44.920
people are like the covers are amazing if somebody drew
2032
01:44:45.079 --> 01:44:48.039
something with the crayon. And then there's people that are
2033
01:44:48.199 --> 01:44:51.319
not mentally well being taken advantage of. That's not hard.
2034
01:44:55.800 --> 01:44:58.239
Can you just go on letterbox and like all your
2035
01:44:58.279 --> 01:45:01.680
reviews are just like another pray on cover, another film
2036
01:45:01.720 --> 01:45:02.359
with people.
2037
01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:07.399
Unwell, I would do it. I talk a lot of
2038
01:45:07.399 --> 01:45:10.680
shit on let why not? You gotta keep things interesting
2039
01:45:10.760 --> 01:45:11.079
on there.
2040
01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:15.319
I love somebody. Somebody got on there, I think it
2041
01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:20.279
was last year and started talking ship on I don't
2042
01:45:20.279 --> 01:45:23.239
care a lot of times I'll like, I'll riff back
2043
01:45:23.319 --> 01:45:29.760
with them. But they said on squash Hunkies, they said,
2044
01:45:30.199 --> 01:45:33.760
knock it off with the fucking AI cover art and
2045
01:45:34.039 --> 01:45:37.479
this sucks. And I was like, okay, what's fucking I
2046
01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:41.600
was like, you want about the movie, but cover art? No.
2047
01:45:41.760 --> 01:45:43.560
I was like, I paid like a real artist, like
2048
01:45:44.600 --> 01:45:47.239
a hundred bucks to make that fucking thing. And then
2049
01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:50.079
they just proceeded to argue, like, you need to check
2050
01:45:50.119 --> 01:45:53.680
your ego. You know, you shouldn't be reading your reviews
2051
01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:56.319
and stuff. And I'm like, number one, I have too
2052
01:45:56.399 --> 01:46:00.920
much free times sometimes, but I will get on there.
2053
01:46:01.119 --> 01:46:03.439
And I was like, I normally like to read the reviews.
2054
01:46:03.439 --> 01:46:06.039
I think they're hilarious, and I'm like, I went so
2055
01:46:06.199 --> 01:46:08.439
far as to like print some of them out in
2056
01:46:08.560 --> 01:46:12.840
fish pace because I get, uh so the movies ordered
2057
01:46:12.840 --> 01:46:14.640
from Kanaki and they get that little slip in there.
2058
01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:17.439
I put out like a collage of like the best
2059
01:46:17.920 --> 01:46:20.960
the best hits on there of people talking shit. Yeah,
2060
01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:23.159
and I slide that in. There is the insert for
2061
01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:26.439
the DVD, so I help it up. It said people
2062
01:46:26.560 --> 01:46:28.720
really love our movies and it's just all this like
2063
01:46:29.359 --> 01:46:31.880
shit talk. I'm fine with that, but it was like
2064
01:46:32.239 --> 01:46:34.840
in that sense, I was like no. And then it
2065
01:46:34.960 --> 01:46:38.279
was like this back and forth where like they're they're
2066
01:46:38.439 --> 01:46:41.640
telling me that I need to stop looking at my reviews.
2067
01:46:41.760 --> 01:46:44.279
I need to like find some better hobbies like all this,
2068
01:46:44.920 --> 01:46:47.760
and they're like, I'm sorry to whatever artists lie to you,
2069
01:46:47.880 --> 01:46:49.520
but they used AI and I was like this was
2070
01:46:49.560 --> 01:46:52.920
made in twenty twenty three, Like I Donteah. I wasn't
2071
01:46:53.159 --> 01:46:56.680
super it wasn't ram, but it wasn't like this fine tuned,
2072
01:46:57.159 --> 01:46:59.800
like the words are spelled correctly and stuff on there,
2073
01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:02.359
and like I remember AI didn't like that.
2074
01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:06.319
Wasn't sure sure, but but yeah, this has been great.
2075
01:47:07.159 --> 01:47:10.520
We definitely talked for longer than I expected. But yeah,
2076
01:47:10.640 --> 01:47:13.239
thank you so much for coming on. And I'm really
2077
01:47:13.399 --> 01:47:16.000
excited for Joshua and I would love to have you
2078
01:47:16.079 --> 01:47:19.960
back on to talk about it, so you keep you posted, you.
2079
01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:25.039
Know, absolutely, dude, Well, thank you for having me, great man.
2080
01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:27.760
All right, yeah, and I think this episode should be
2081
01:47:27.800 --> 01:47:29.640
coming out like early August, so I'll let you know
2082
01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:30.640
the date and everything.
2083
01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:34.720
So yeah, awesome, Thank you so much, have a great day.
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