Split Your Head - Season 4 - Ep. 63 - Interview with Joe Meredith (Harvest Brood)

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Hello and welcome to Split your Head. I'm your host
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Bob and today's special guest is legendary underground horror filmmaker
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Joe Meredith. Joe has been annihilating his growing fan base
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over the past decade with his incredibly fantastical and unsettling
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films such as South Mill District, Torrato, morph Variant one
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and two, Ataraxia, and most recently Harvest Brood, Joe's specific
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style is a perfect culmination of nostalgia, shread and cosmic horror,
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containing practical effects that feel pulled from the deepest nightmares
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and unleashing them in these other worldly dystopias, all coded
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in a morbid yet familiar haze. He's only gotten better
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with each film, so naturally I had to have him
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on and see what is cooking inside of that demented mind. Joe,
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thank you soul much for coming on.
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I really appreciate it.
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How are you doing, good man? Thanks for inviting me.
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Yeah, it's great to finally be able to talk.
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So yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely.
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You know you're you're kind of a mysterious individual that
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hasn't done a ton of podcasts, so I feel so
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honored that you're making your presence on here. And yeah,
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it sounds like a lot is happening with Harvest Brood.
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You know, I came out, was it last October?
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It was?
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Yeah, okay, And so from what you were telling me
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the other day, there's a Blu ray currently in the works, which, yeah,
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when's the release date for that?
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Hopefully by early September. I think is like the most
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realistic time fraend I should be able to get out,
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but it's gonna be a DVD and a Blu Ray,
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so there'll be unique cover art for each one, and
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then you know, I'm hoping to make the Blu Ray
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have like a few extra features and like art cards
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and things like that, amazing kind of a limited edition
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kind of thing, and then the DVD should be probably
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just available continuously.
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Okay, are you releasing it yourself?
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Yes, yes, I'll just be self publishing, just like I
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used to before with all the others, and hopefully I'll
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be able to reissue some of the other ones, Like
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I think that Tarret's Moore would be a good one
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to re release, And of course Variant is one that
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I think that probably people would I get asked about
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a lot too seeing a reissue of that one.
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Yeah.
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Have you ever thought about, because like your films are all,
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you know, between like twenty minutes to an hour. Is
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it possible that you could just like put them all
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together on one, you know, Blu ray or something.
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Is that has ever crossed your mind?
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Yeah, that would be cool.
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There actually has been a release like that that was
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very limited. It was it was through uh Lucky's company.
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I'm trying to remember the name of this company.
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Dead Vision. Is that what it's called.
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Yes, that's right, that's right. Dead Yeah, they did one
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a couple of years ago, so that was that was
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really cool, but it was it was extremely limited. But yeah,
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I would love to I would love to be able
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to do that at some point in time.
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Yeah. I just feel like your your your films are okay.
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Like I always like making the comparison between filmmakers and bands,
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and I think, to me, you're a filmmaker that really
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nails that, because your films all feel like like the
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equivalents of like you've been making EPs, you know, and
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now like Harvest Brood is like your your you know,
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Magnum Opus full length album, you know. And so I
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think that's why someone getting into your work would be like, oh,
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I love Varian, of course I love Variant too. Of
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course I love Toratto Morph. Like they're all different from
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one another, but they all have like the same kind
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of like sauce that you you go to your films for,
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you know. Yeah, which brings me to want to talk
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about Harvest Brood because like that felt like a huge step.
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Forward for you, you know, in a lot of ways.
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And like I was revisiting it this morning and comparing
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it to all your other films, like, it feels like
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a lot more of like a slasher film. Is it
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something that you were kind of trying to go for necessarily?
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I was, Yeah, it was kind of.
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It was the idea of like taking the style that
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had been generated over time with like variant especially the
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variant movies, and wanting to apply that style to.
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A slasher you know genre, I guess film.
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Yeah, yeah, but then it kind of mixes slasher with
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like the found footage like mock doc.
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You know.
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Did you feel like in order for you to kind
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of make a slasher work within this kind of world
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that you've been creating, like you kind of needed to
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give it that framework.
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Yeah, I mean it was.
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It was a lot of It was based on some
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of the old like true crime documentaries, specifically one called
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Autopsy from that was on HBO back in the nineties,
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and it really focused on like the medical examiners part
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of a death investigation. So it was very graphic and
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just yeah, the way that it was cut and the
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music that was used and all made it.
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Like just terrifying.
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So that's kind of Where the And I remember it
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as a kid being way too young seeing it, like
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how terrified it made me. So using that formula for
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Harvest Brood, I guess was the idea was to make
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it very eerie and creepy like that, to like, you know,
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create that same kind of feeling that I got from
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seeing those way back when Ray Ray.
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You're kind of making me think too of something that's
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like sort of common with all your films that I
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really love, which is that like they're very disturbing and dark,
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but there's almost something kind of whimsical about them too.
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And I think that connects with what you're saying about
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how like you're trying to recreate the feeling of seeing
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this kind of film when you're a kid, you know,
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because like that's sort of what a lot of horror
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films for kids are like, is like they all have
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this sort of like fantastical feeling like otherworldly you know.
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Yeah, oh yeah, I mean that's yeah, Like that's that's
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the origin of all of it.
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Like it's it's the it's sort of like the danger
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of it.
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You know, there's like, yeah, there's there's something dangerous about
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like or as a kid seeing like the Faces of
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Death covers on the in the video store, you know,
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like band in forty six Countries or whatever it says,
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and the cover art and all, and just like sort
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of the myth surrounding the movie without having seen any
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of them, and it's you know, just that kind of
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like I guess danger of it.
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Yeah, but your imagination too, because like, as you said,
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you'd see the covers, but you you weren't able to
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see the films necessary, or were you Like did you
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watch this.
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When you were a kid.
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I probably saw Faces of Death the first time when
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I was when I was like a teenager, but I
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would see them very young, and yeah, I mean yeah, yeah,
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to the point you know, like.
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That would be a big thing, like very very young.
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Of course, my parents didn't necessarily let me rent the movies,
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but you know, seeing a lot of the cover designs,
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I would just go by that and just imagine, you
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know what the movie would be. Yeah, so that would
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be like my first experience with horror films, you know,
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and then finally getting to watch them of course, was
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a thrill, you know.
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Yeah, No, that's that's really interesting to me because like
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I think that instilled like such a strong imagination in you.
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And that's something like again, as I was saying, like
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that's something I see in a lot of your films,
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is like like how much imagination plays a big part?
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You know.
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It's like they are very much these disturbing dark films,
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but there's like mutants and creatures and like robots and
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like alien outbreaks and stuff.
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You know. It's like to me, it's you can really feel.
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That like it's been growing since you were a kid,
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that you'd eventually be like creating these worlds.
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You know.
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Yeah. Yeah. The very first horror film I think that
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I saw was Halloween two.
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Oh okay, like the original of course.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and you know if you if you've I know
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you've seen it. The VHS cover typically was the Pumpkin,
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the screaming skull Pumpkin.
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Yeah.
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That's sick, you know, and it's it's it's weird to
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say that.
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I was very disappointed when I saw the movie that
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there wasn't a screaming pumpkin.
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Skull, you know.
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Yeah, so yeah, I've been I've just been like chasing
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that ever since.
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I think, oh my god, I love that. That's so cool. Yeah,
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I I totally know you mean, like I think as
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a kid, I would have had the same reaction of
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being like, oh my god, I need to see this movie.
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There's like a screaming Pumpkins stall head dude, and then
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there wasn't you know.
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Right, I mean, that's that's one of my favorite like
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VHS cover designs probably ever and as well as Halloween
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three also had a good one too, that one.
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I remember that one being very mysterious.
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And you know that if you see the orange like
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the orange skyline and the silhouetted trick or treaters, you know, yeah, image, you.
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Know, yeah, it's it's so it sounds in a way
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like like art design is kind of a really big
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maybe even a big part of like how you create
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the films that you're creating. You know, is that fair
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to say.
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Oh yeah, yeah, I love designing, you know, creatures, especially
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so you know, drawing and painting. It is like a
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big hobby of mine. So I think that that's always
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been It's it's always been kind of an extension of that.
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And of course making a movie is such a multi
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media investment as far as you know, every kind of
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art is kind of is needed to create a movie.
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Obviously, you know, and over the years.
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I've you know, I've gotten better at sculpting and casting
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and molding and stuff.
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So that's that's really fun to do.
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Yeah, and you do the music as well in a
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lot of your films.
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Right a lot of times.
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Yeah, the last Harvest Brood, I did score all of
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that one, but I have some friends to who will
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help out with scores. I think Harvest Brood might be
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the only one that I was I scored like exclusively myself.
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Okay, yeah, yeah.
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So for your films then, do you I mean, do
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you do you like sketch kind of the ideas of
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like the creatures first? Is that kind of the like
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the first seed in a way?
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So uh, I mean I would say, like the first
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part of the process always for me is the habit
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is to like go out and and find find an
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establishing atmosphere or setting, like Harvest Brood is a very
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good example. A lot of those shots at the beginning
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that have the very autumnal tones and the orange sky
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and everything. A lot of that was shot like two
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years before Harp most of Harvest Crew was shot. So
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it was like, because I knew that I was going
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to do something Halloween oriented or the Halloween Slasher was
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in the cards, but I needed to like first get
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all of those establishing sort of b roll shots to
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kind of integrate into and or build you know, the
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world within the those settings. And so that's always usually,
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like even if I even in some cases that I
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don't know what I'm going to do, that kind of
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going out exploring and just getting footage of environments, Yeah,
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it is easily the first step.
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So when you go to these locations, then is it
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like like creating that footage, is that what kind of
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will lead to you having the next idea, like say
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like the characters will come out of that or the situations.
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Yeah, it can. It's it's very informative to do that.
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somehow that's some sometimes that's how I find locations that
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will also be then used later for more of a
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principal photography event with actors and all. So that's always
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nice and yeah, and that's and that that's who is
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why I don't typically work with a traditional style script.
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It's it's like kind of an outline, right, because there's
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so many occasions where it's like then we're going out
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and too, and then we have a specific thing in
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mind that we're going to shoot, and then you know,
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something about the location doesn't work or something about whatever
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doesn't work, and then it's just it's kind of always
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changing and morphing like as it's going you know, before
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we find a whole new environment altogether, you know, right right.
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Right right, No, I like that, And I mean I
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don't think that's really all that in common, Like like
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I'm sure you know Brian Pollen, right, oh yeah, yeah,
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Like I've talked to him, and he he doesn't usually
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use a script, you know, and there's a lot of
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directors that don't necessarily go off of it. And that's
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something that I find really fascinating because it it really
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like it allows you to not be forced to do
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certain things and kind of like, as you say, like
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moreph the idea of the film as you go and
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it becomes like even more of this organic growing thing.
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You know, what kind of outline do you work.
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With then necessarily, like do you just have like a
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two page kind of summary of the plot or something.
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Yeah, It's it is kind of like that. It's it's
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pretty fragmented. Okay, So if there's if there obviously, if
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there's specific lines that that you know, I want I
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once said, which there's usually not a lot of dialogue anyway,
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or just very specific kind of effect that I'm that
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I'm going for, then you know, obviously I'll detail that
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portion of it out. But for the most part, it's
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just kind of like, this is what we're going to do.
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You know, We're going to go to this location and
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then just kind of wing it, you know, mm okay.
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But it's also because you have such a strong intuition
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about like, as you said, like the location, the the
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makeup and effects, like the overall kind of like art
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design and everything like that's sort of a stronger element
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in which I think, you know, I think to some
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people that might be hard to wrap their heads around,
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like why isn't the story the big deal? But it's
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like you're really trying to create such an all encompassing experience, you.
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Know, I mean, I would like to make make something
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where where the story is a little bit more succinct,
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I guess, you know, for for a general audience, I
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guess you can say. But yeah, the visual atmosphere and
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the intent on the atmosphere is is really important.
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Yeah, you know, so, yeah, I guess that's just happens
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to be.
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What I'm most interested in is that is the visual
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dynamic of it more so.
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Right, It's paying off, you know.
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And I think, like I was looking at the numbers
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of the of what you have up on YouTube, and
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like Harvest Brood has like something like twenty seven thousand views,
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you know, compared to like your older film, So it
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seems like you're you're gaining more and more fans and
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everything and more and more notoriety with each with each film,
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so like clearly you're on the right path, you know.
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It Just it does seem.
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Like Harvest Brood and I feel like this is kind
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of a dirty word, but like is kind of more
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accessible in.
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A lot of ways compared to the earlier stuff.
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Yeah. I think that's fair. Yeah, yeah, it is, Yeah,
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it is fair. The other the others may be a
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little bit more abstract, you know, and much more sci
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fi kind of which Harvest Brood does have those elements
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in it too.
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Yeah.
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Well that's interesting because like one of the questions I
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wrote down that I sent you beforehand was asking about
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like whether you would do something completely away from mutants
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or supernatural or sci fi, but rewatching Harvest Brood, it
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feels kind of.
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Like you are inching towards that already, you know.
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Yeah, I mean I guess maybe I've thought of that,
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but yeah, I don't know.
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That's actually that's that's difficult.
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And yeah, when you send me that, I had to
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add stood on that for a little bit, and it
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would be interesting to come across that idea, but I
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don't know what that would be.
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Well, it would be dependent on going to as you say,
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like going to a setting and then just thinking, okay,
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like maybe there's gore and there's horror, but it won't
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be anything that is like otherworldly in a way. It
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will be very much like based in reality, you know, yeah,
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which sounds kind of hard to do in a lot
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of ways, especially since like you've you've really like let
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your imagination fly with each film, you.
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Know, yeah, I mean you know, and like you were saying,
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with the exploring, I mean, I guess that's like one
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of the places my head goes. I'm sure a lot
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of people think this way, Like you know, you see
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some abandoned building or house or whatever, and obviously you
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can think about what went on in there.
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Maybe it's about just a family or something.
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But then I don't know, my imagination, I guess will
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go wild into like something that's like creeping in the
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crawl spaces or something I guess of some place.
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You know, Well, no, I know.
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What you mean, because like if something is sort of
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like creeping in the shadows, is that necessarily going to
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be a human?
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You know?
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Right?
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You know, it's like kind of hard to picture something
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that is human, like completely human, and that's what is
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the element in a way, you know, But I do
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think that Harvest Brood approaches that, like it gets very
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close at times, especially with the gore, Like there's a
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lot like I think all the gore scenes in it
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are pretty much more based on just like human getting
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killed and almost a way that well it is in
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a way that like a human would kill the other
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human as opposed to like an alien ripping someone apart,
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or like a creature coming out of someone's body. They
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are based on like true crime crime kind of imagery.
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Yeah, it was.
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It was kind of meant to start out, which as
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it does as a more grounded realistic kind of story,
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true crime type of story, and then obviously as it.
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As it develops, it it becomes more and more mutated,
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which I thought was kind of a fun thing because
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you know, yeah, like I would, I would imagine that
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most people who have seen any of my stuff are
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going to immediately expect, you know, the alien mutant.
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Stuff right off the bat.
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So then the part of Brute starting it that way,
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I guess felt like some form of trickery, But it
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was like, then you're not I'm about to get it's
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about to become mutated.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, there's there's another recent film that's kind of like that.
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You know, I don't like it here by Robbie Smith.
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I don't.
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Yeah, So I.
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Just interviewed him. I think it was like at this
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point it would be like a couple months back. But
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his new film that's on screen Box is I think
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I even wrote in my review on Letterbox like would
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be a perfect double feature with yours. But his starts
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out in a way where it's like the first twenty
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minutes feel kind of almost like a very strip back
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like horror drama, and then twenty minutes in it turns
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into a true crime mockumentary, and then there's elements of
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like these kind of killers that seem a little bit
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not from this world, although he doesn't go nearly as
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far with it as you do. But yeah, highly recommend
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you check that out. I think it would kind of
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tickle some of the same things that you were going
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for with this one, you know.
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But I love that kind of thing.
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I love when there's something like clearly in the water
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going on, like people are all kind of like not
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ripping each other off. But again, it's like, as I
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was saying earlier about like comparing filmmakers to bands, it's like, oh,
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like two like thrash metal bands popping up at the
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same time or something in the early ladies, you know
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what I mean, Like something sort of magical going on
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in that way.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, no, I will definitely check that out.
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It does sell. Yah, that is teresting.
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Yeah yeah, I would definitely be up your alley. So
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but yeah, So with Harvest Brood, it's been out for
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almost a year, it's coming out soon on Blu Ray.
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Has there been any interest then, Like I think I
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was writing this in a question that I sent to you,
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but has have you had any interest from like studios
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or anything, or like people that are kind of wanting
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to bring you money to do a project with them, Like,
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has that those kind of opportunities popped up at all?
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Not really, I mean I've talked to a few people,
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but not thing. Nothing really substantial well that so far.
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But but you know, yeah, like ever since I started
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mainly publishing projects on YouTube, you know, the audience has
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grown and there's been word of mouth and you know,
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so it is is nice like kind of broadening the audience.
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And also you know, maybe someday something like that can happen.
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You know, yeah, yeah, Well, as we were talking about earlier,
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like Harvest Brood feels like it's going in a more
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accessible direction. So I'm sure you must have seen kind
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of a bit more of an uptick and like you know,
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people like like interest overall and everything. You know, I
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guess I almost wonder if it would inspire you to
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do the next film and go in an even further
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accessible direction, Like has that kind of been on your
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mind at all?
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I mean.
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I think that you can say, well, yeah, I mean
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it is.
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I mean I would say that what I've been kind
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of starting on lately is uh is probably even it
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might be the most heavily creature film out of all
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of them potentially.
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I don't know if that's necessarily.
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The one that I'm I'm gonna end up doing, at
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least not right at least right off the bat. But yeah,
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I don't. I don't really, It's that's hard to say.
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It's hard to say as far as the accessibility, but
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I do understand Harvest Brood, you know, being being more
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accessible and and it's it's it has.
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Played a number of venues.
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And and it's been streamed and all of that. So yeah,
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you know, it has it has sort of broadened the audience.
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I guess, right, right, Okay, so the next project you're
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saying you're going to have a ton of creatures, if
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this is the one you go forward with, that might
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not necessarily mean that it's not going to be as accessible.
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I think it's a matter of like what you do
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with it, right, I mean, people love this stuff. I
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think that there is like we underestimate how much people
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really love practical effects, you know, And I mean, like,
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I'm sure so many of your fans are kind of
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the people that would be into this stuff. But yeah,
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I feel like you could do so much with that,
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like having I'm kind of you know what it's making
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me think of as a night breed.
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Okay, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, am I kind of in the right direction of
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like what your idea is?
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Well, I mean part of that is with each movie,
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I guess I find myself like learning new tricks on
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how to create creatures and then you know, applying like
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sculpting and all and and and just more detailed creatures.
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I guess you can say, more more intricate looking creatures,
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like with each project to just get more and more
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confident with it. Cool, and so this is kind of
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like an expansion of the movie at Raxia, oh, like
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one of the shortest ones. So it's more of a
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you know, potential will probably harvest brood length if not,
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if not longer, possibly like expansion of.
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The world that was created in at Eraxia.
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So so if you can, if you can kind of
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imagine that the creatures in that, but with far more
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00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:49.000
detail and just you know, more intricate like puppetry and
492
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:50.039
things like that.
493
00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:51.559
Sick. Yeah.
494
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So, like I watched a bunch of movies all this week,
495
00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:58.039
so I am I correct in thinking that at Erexia
496
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is maybe the most.
497
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:00.119
Sci fi.
498
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:07.119
Probably yeah, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, And I mean I
499
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:09.400
would want to see.
500
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:10.839
Oh yeah, for sure.
501
00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:13.279
I mean cosmic is sort of the best way to
502
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:16.160
put it, because I find like the difference between cosmic
503
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:21.119
and sci fi is that cosmic has less explanations behind it,
504
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:25.559
whereas sci fi has very like rigid explanations behind like
505
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:29.880
what these creatures are? Cosmic has more of that mystery, right.
506
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:32.599
Yeah, yeah, I guess it would be.
507
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:37.160
You know, if the variant variant movies are are the
508
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:40.480
resident evil to ad Erexia's Silent Hill in a way?
509
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:45.640
Oh okay, Okay, I see what you're saying. Okay, yeah,
510
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.640
now I'm getting Now, I'm getting the formula down.
511
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:51.839
Yeah okay, huh, because yes not. I mean Adarexia was
512
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:52.960
like the most.
513
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:58.519
Like direct video game inspired in a way, like in
514
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terms of like walk through, like it feels like a
515
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:03.559
walkthrough in a lot of parts.
516
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:05.720
Yeah yeah, okay.
517
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:08.160
So then the full so your full length idea, would
518
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:09.480
it continue in that vein?
519
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:12.920
Yeah, it would.
520
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:17.279
It would have It would have both elements of more
521
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:21.000
of a of a a movie movie, I guess you
522
00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:24.960
can say, and then also a found footage first person style.
523
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:28.000
So again I don't really know for sure if that's
524
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:31.960
the one that I'm going for I know, I know
525
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:35.039
with Harvest Brood, uh. You know, one thing with that
526
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:37.400
is that it was it was thought to be kind
527
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:42.680
of jarring, the sort of juxtaposition between the true crime
528
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:49.160
documentary and the they weren't really meant to be re enactments,
529
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:54.839
but just then the more general style of a slasher movie,
530
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:58.279
you know, the way it goes back and forth, so
531
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:00.720
so that I don't know if that's really the formula
532
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.480
to go with, to have that kind of back and forth,
533
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:07.079
but I'm gonta. The first thing to do, I guess
534
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.519
is really just experiment with it and to see how
535
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:12.279
it works. Like I've already shot some things for it,
536
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.880
like I said, the establishing kind of atmosphere and all,
537
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.119
but to actually see some of these creatures in action,
538
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:22.200
you know, it would be an you know, an eye
539
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:23.720
opener as to whether or not it's going to work.
540
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:24.799
M M.
541
00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:30.000
I see what you're saying, like doing some test footage basically, right, Yeah, yeah,
542
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.519
I want to go back to what you're saying about
543
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:36.960
Harvest Brood, as you say, being jarring, and is that
544
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:39.480
something that you felt or is that something that was
545
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:40.640
like feedback given.
546
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:40.920
To you.
547
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:44.720
That was that was more more feedback.
548
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.680
Okay, Okay, you know, I think, yeah it was that
549
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:52.799
was one of those whimsical ideas, just to to frame
550
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:53.400
it that way.
551
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:58.759
Yeah, because I actually I found it.
552
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:03.240
It wasn't jar It just took me when I watch it,
553
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.880
like a minute to go, wait a second, Oh, okay,
554
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:09.880
it's not following it to a t. But I also
555
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.759
think we're maybe moving away from that in a lot
556
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:16.759
of ways, Like found footage horror has become such a
557
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:21.319
prominent subgenre, Like it's really gotten a lot of legs
558
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.119
over the past couple decades, So I kind of feel
559
00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:28.039
like people are more open to just letting like, don't
560
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:29.759
worry about the framework so much.
561
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:32.160
It's more of an aesthetic, you know what I mean.
562
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.799
Yeah, yeah, So I wouldn't want that to deter you,
563
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:40.359
because I actually feel like that would be pretty sick,
564
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.400
like imagining the idea you're talking about is being kind
565
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.759
of like going back and forth, you know. But you
566
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:50.160
could even use like the walkthrough kind of idea for
567
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:54.200
the nonfound foot or wait, that would be the found footage,
568
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:56.079
just it would be the walk through stuff.
569
00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:59.839
It's a little bit like I was trying to think
570
00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:02.960
of a of a good example but almost like in
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00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.200
Return of the Living Dead, when you have you've got
572
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.920
you've got you've got the punks and the medical supply
573
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:12.759
and and everything's set place, and then it goes to
574
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:16.200
the military guy, you know, and he's he's in a
575
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.000
different time zone and they're monitoring the situation, and then
576
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.920
you know, kind of something like that where there there
577
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:27.720
is like this sort of like military command center, I
578
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:33.640
guess you can say, monitoring the impact zone. Yeah, and
579
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.079
then when it and and that will also would also
580
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:39.319
be shot with a completely different type of camera. And
581
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.640
then when it goes into the into the found footage
582
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:44.200
mode in the impact zone, you know, then.
583
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:46.960
I don't really know if I'm going.
584
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:48.759
To use VHS for that, Like I said, that's going
585
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:50.920
to be and that's gonna be something to test, because
586
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.559
I might use something that's more of one of those
587
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:58.799
earlier kind of digital style cameras like that kind of
588
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:02.400
almost has the earlier to quality. But it remains to
589
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.400
kind of be seen what that what that will look like.
590
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.359
That's a DV Is that what it is?
591
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:13.759
Well? Like actually what a lot of the stuff, the
592
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:17.400
main story pro portion, I guess you can say, will
593
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.319
be shot on mini DV because that's what I've been using. Okay,
594
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:26.960
and then but but this is more more like I
595
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.079
don't know, almost shot on like one of those like
596
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.799
like little flip cameras or something like that. Like it's
597
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.680
something that would be more something that is more practical
598
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:38.799
of of being attached to someone, you know, out in
599
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.920
a in a war in a in a not a
600
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:45.680
war zone, but yeah, some kind of contaminated area like that.
601
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.000
Okay, So here's the question.
602
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:54.559
The military base and then you've got the out outside world.
603
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:57.240
Those are going to be two kind of like parts
604
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.240
of the film. Is a military base going to be
605
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:04.839
kind of like surveying the outside world, like they're going
606
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.359
to see it on their screens, like they're going to
607
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:09.960
have like screens. Okay, I can picture this now. And
608
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.559
so then the outside world. Is the outside world going
609
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:16.160
to be directly outside of the military base, like almost
610
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:20.039
like a sea generay, like it's slowly coming in on them.
611
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.440
Yeah, so it is it is kind of like where
612
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:28.319
the the the impact zone in at Araxia is. You know,
613
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:30.400
I know, people a lot of people say it's kind
614
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:32.960
of a it is. It is post apocalyptic you know,
615
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:36.799
in certain ways, but it's it's really supposed to be
616
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.039
contained within a certain area, and then everywhere outside of
617
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.799
it is is still you know, life.
618
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:43.279
As you know it.
619
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.319
Okay, So it's it's it is kind of just a
620
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:51.799
very contained area that they would be you know, monitoring
621
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:53.359
what's what's happening inside of it.
622
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:54.400
Okay.
623
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.680
So if this is in the same world as Ataxia,
624
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:03.680
are we looking forward into the future where the contained
625
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:04.880
area has now grown.
626
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:08.559
Yeah, That's That's one thing that I'm still not certain
627
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:14.000
with too, because I am I'm thinking about like I'm
628
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.079
thinking about it not even really being a sequel. I've
629
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:19.239
kind of been calling it a sequel, but it might
630
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.440
be more of a it's not really a remake too.
631
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.800
At the same time, like like I might even set
632
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:29.760
it in a different time altogether, which at Raxia doesn't
633
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.960
really state what I don't. I don't know that there's
634
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.000
a point where it says like what year it takes
635
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:38.119
place in. Okay, maybe it does, But I think I
636
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:41.400
might even set it like farther back into in the past.
637
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.679
Ah, Okay, huh.
638
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:48.000
Any reason why you kind of you don't want them
639
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:50.000
to be that closely linked together?
640
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.039
I just yeah, I don't I think it's just I
641
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.320
think it's just kind of like I really liked the
642
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:59.840
world in Atraxia, and it was fun to play around
643
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:02.800
in at and and just some of the ideas that
644
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.239
I have for this I guess I'm just kind of
645
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:11.239
in love with and that movie was almost almost really
646
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:15.480
like an experiment on its own. So you know, I
647
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.599
was kind of largely by myself with that one. It
648
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:21.519
was just kind of almost just messing around and so
649
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.199
and it came together the way it came together, which
650
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.840
was awesome. So this is this is just a much
651
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:33.599
more intentional you know, for a into that into that realm.
652
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:37.719
Yeah, the way you're describing it almost sounds like Ataraxia
653
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:41.000
is the test footage for this project.
654
00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:44.840
Yeah in a way, Yeah, in a way.
655
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:49.639
But yeah, that one was that one was very whimsical,
656
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:51.159
you know, like that one was just kind of like
657
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:57.000
almost just mess playing around pretty much, right, So I
658
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.199
was gonna I was gonna keep just adding to it
659
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:05.960
over time, and because I kind of started Harvest Brood simultaneously,
660
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:09.639
and that was really the main project that that I
661
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.000
wanted to be focused on. But then it was like
662
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:16.119
then at Raxia just kind of felt finished for what
663
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.920
it was and I was like, Okay, I might as
664
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:20.639
well just put it out, you know. Cool.
665
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:22.239
No, that's a good idea.
666
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:26.119
Do you feel at all like the world you're creating
667
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:28.320
with Harvest Brood is something you'd want to return to?
668
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:33.400
Yeah, there there is an idea for that too. Uh.
669
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:36.920
That would be I am kind of like that's the
670
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.840
battle between the two ideas. Would be the would be
671
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:48.079
the Harvest Brewed too, and then the Ataraxia re cool remake.
672
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:53.840
Ish Yeah, ad Eaxia like the full Sequence or something.
673
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:56.519
Hey, that sounds pretty cool.
674
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:01.559
There you go, you can have it. Yeah.
675
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.840
So it's you're trying to decide between Ataraxia the Full
676
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.920
Sequence in Harvest Brute two as your next project to
677
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:08.320
work on.
678
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:10.599
Yeah.
679
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:12.800
Yeah, I mean you know there's other ideas too, But
680
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.280
I would say I would say, so far, the one
681
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.880
that has has like, has had the most work put
682
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.880
into it is the is the Ataraxia projects so far.
683
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.079
So I think one way or the other that will
684
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:33.599
be a finished film somewhere down the line, because there
685
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:36.559
is a fair amount of sub I haven't I haven't
686
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.800
quite reached the point of no return yet with that,
687
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.440
which that's like, once you reach the point of no return.
688
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.559
It's like, yeah, you're making the movie, and it's just like,
689
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.119
you know, full speed ahead, you know.
690
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:51.599
Yeah, well I'm curious about this point of no return?
691
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:52.679
What do you mean by that?
692
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.960
Exactly? Like what is that for you? You know, when
693
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:57.800
you're making a film, the point of no return?
694
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.360
It was like I was saying about, uh, getting getting
695
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.519
the atmosphere, getting the setting, and figuring out how to uh,
696
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:11.599
you know, integrate that into into the world world. And
697
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:15.280
this is all before getting actors and doing you know,
698
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.719
prepting effects, gags and everything. I mean, once once a
699
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:25.880
scene or two is shot with actors, you know, especially
700
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:29.719
if it's a significant scene in some way. I mean
701
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:31.960
I usually that's the point of no return. Like it's
702
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.000
like I'm not going to then just kind of throw
703
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:38.360
this footage away. The the worst example of that that
704
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:41.639
I've experienced was pretty much what happened with Variant two,
705
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:45.559
which is where I was shooting a completely different movie
706
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.880
which was called The pell Strain, and.
707
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:49.880
That was where the clown plot.
708
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:57.079
Okay, there was gonna be a movie exclusively with clown creatures,
709
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.440
and and that was you know, in the Chainsaw character,
710
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:03.079
and all was going to be was gonna be that,
711
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.440
which actually he is supposed to. That character, by the way,
712
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:09.920
is supposed to be the same character from South Mill District, right,
713
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:15.119
So you know, kind of the idea just started falling apart,
714
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:19.480
but I had already shot. There's more that was shot
715
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:23.320
for that, including like death sequences and clowns like eating
716
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:27.679
people and stuff, but I think only one or two clowns.
717
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:31.719
It's made it into it, but it just wasn't going anywhere.
718
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:35.199
It just it just wasn't it. It just wasn't turning
719
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:39.480
out very well. So I kind of then like randomly
720
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.280
started a Variant two. I think it was because I
721
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.599
got a I got my hands on a VHSC camera
722
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:47.599
oka and so I.
723
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:49.119
Wanted to I wanted to try that.
724
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.599
So like I repainted the set into a like an
725
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:57.679
autopsy room, and the opening Variant two is then shot,
726
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:01.079
and then I was like, you know, this is actually
727
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:03.599
like a lot more fun than what I'm what I've
728
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:04.880
been doing with the clown movie.
729
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.159
So that was where the decision made too.
730
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:09.159
How about it just make it like an anthology thing
731
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:13.000
where the clown the clowns are just one of the
732
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.400
mutations going on within the world of.
733
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.800
Variant two, and then that's how that's how that kind
734
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:20.119
of works.
735
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:23.480
So so I use I think the best footage from
736
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the pell strain for that.
737
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:26.960
Hmm.
738
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:32.320
That's really cool because I remember watching Variant two and thinking, like,
739
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.599
this has so many wild ideas thrown in. I really
740
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.920
loved that about it was like a buffet of crazy ideas.
741
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:43.519
So I'm wondering then, you know, was the other sequences
742
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:46.519
also ideas that were taken from something that.
743
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:50.760
Was supposed to be like more of a project onto itself.
744
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:57.199
No, it really started with just Variant too was like
745
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:02.400
the pink oozing zombie creature, and and then the the
746
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:07.480
clown thing was the separate project. So yeah, it then
747
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:11.119
it then pretty much became the rest of the ideas
748
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:15.480
were then used for that episodic purpose of making them
749
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.000
of structuring the movie like that.
750
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:21.320
Yeah, am I wrong in thinking that Variant two is
751
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:23.039
also your funniest film?
752
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:29.119
I would say I would say that it is okay, Yeah, yeah,
753
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.119
certainly with certainly with the brain fucker scene, you know.
754
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.800
Yeah, Yeah, that was that was wild. That was amazing.
755
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.840
It kind of brought me back to like the nineties,
756
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:42.280
like growing up and seeing like crazy music videos and stuff.
757
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:45.599
You know, like it just had such a perfectly nostalgic
758
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.880
kind of idea of of like what an LSD trip
759
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:50.599
is like you.
760
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:54.559
Know, yeah, I and I, like I kind of did
761
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:58.360
did have MTV in mind a lot, like I grew up,
762
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:03.239
you know, seeing MTV like like you know, the tense spot.
763
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.519
You know it was like Beavis and butt Head Daria
764
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.280
celebrity death match, you know what I mean.
765
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.079
Oh yeah, yeah, that was that was.
766
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:12.039
Kind of a in my head that felt like the
767
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:14.639
direction of just the way it was cut together and everything.
768
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:18.639
M Yeah, definitely brought to mind because, as you said,
769
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.639
beavs Andy had like Beavis and byad do America. There's
770
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.960
that scene in the desert with a like Rob Zombie song.
771
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:26.679
Yeah, it's a little bit like that.
772
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:27.760
Oh yeah.
773
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:28.239
Yeah.
774
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.400
Also kind of made me think a little bit of
775
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:33.599
some of the sequences in do you know this movie Freaked.
776
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:36.000
Freaked hmm.
777
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:41.800
It's like a nineties comedy with like a lot of
778
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:47.719
crazy creatures and stuff. I think it was directed and
779
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:52.000
written by Alex Winter, who is Bill and Bill and Ted.
780
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.000
Okay, well I'll have to look that up.
781
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.159
Yeah, definitely check that out.
782
00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:59.920
Because in terms of like the practical effects and like
783
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:03.400
wacky sequences and stuff like it's it will blow your mind.
784
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:06.039
Yeah, oh yeah, I will definitely look that up.
785
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:07.159
M yeah.
786
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.320
Yeah, So I guess with variant too, then you were
787
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.639
kind of like pouring in all these different ideas, maybe
788
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:16.559
even like comedic elements that you weren't really able to
789
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:19.239
put into your other films because like your films all
790
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.039
have like such a heavy tone to them. You know,
791
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:25.960
is that something that you could see yourself like diving
792
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.000
into again is like adding in comedy.
793
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:33.880
It's funny, you say, because ironically the original variant, which
794
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:38.440
I guess you could argue, is probably densely like dark
795
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.000
and in its overall tone. But we were kind of
796
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:47.480
trying to go for comedic elements for that and you
797
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.119
know which you know, I know that's that's kind of
798
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:54.119
subjective because there could be people watching any scene of
799
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:56.320
that and find it funny, like that the zombies coming
800
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.079
out in the graves or something. But we actually try
801
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:07.239
to shoot uh, explosive diarrhea creature seen in the first variant. Yeah,
802
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:10.960
like that was one of the the main characters symptoms
803
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:17.480
first symptoms, and uh, it just it didn't really fit
804
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:21.280
the tone of that. Yeah, so it ended up working
805
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:22.960
out really well with variant two.
806
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:26.119
Okay, cool, it's cool that variant too.
807
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:28.760
Like as I'm as I'm learning and the listeners will
808
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.679
be learning or watchers. That variant two is sort of
809
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:35.960
like the and I mean this, I'll do respectables like
810
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.840
the B Sides project of like all the songs that
811
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:41.960
couldn't fit on the other albums went onto to hear
812
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:42.679
you know what I mean.
813
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:44.360
That's that's really cool.
814
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:47.960
Yeah, no, that's fair. That's that is pretty much. That's
815
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:49.320
pretty much exactly what it is.
816
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.639
And I mean to say, And regarding regarding the thing
817
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:56.320
about exploring comedy again, I mean, yeah, I would. I
818
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.679
would love to do that. I do have. There's there's
819
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:03.639
one the other that that would be interesting to do.
820
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:06.320
That's that would be a zombie movie that would be
821
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.400
kind of has like a lot more comedic elements in
822
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:12.440
the same vein as like a Return to the Living Dead.
823
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.440
So yeah, as you're talking about Return of the Living
824
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:20.559
Dead and you're mentioning earlier some of like the video
825
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.719
covers that you'd see as a kid, what are you know,
826
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.079
maybe some influences for you and your films that, like
827
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.760
people wouldn't necessarily expect, like I don't know, maybe things
828
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:35.960
that aren't you know, your typical like eighties horror movies
829
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.719
or splatter films, Like has there been anything else that
830
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:42.800
would kind of surprise one of your fans to learn.
831
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:45.960
Yeah, you know that's yeah, it's it's difficult to say,
832
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:50.000
you know, like you know, I guess for like every
833
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.039
horror fan, we kind of start out it's almost like
834
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:56.039
an iceberg, you know, where we start out with just
835
00:45:56.119 --> 00:46:00.679
like the above, the above, the surface level, Halloweens and
836
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:03.639
Friday the thirteenth variety, you know, and then and then
837
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:06.000
then you start to learn more about the genre, and
838
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.559
you start to find out all these more extreme, you know, forms,
839
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:12.239
and then you just keep on diving deeper, you know,
840
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.280
into it. So I kind of always I'm always finding,
841
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:22.239
you know, something new that's like influential or let's see,
842
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:29.039
I would say one I always have in mind is
843
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:35.480
Alien three. For some reason, that one is like that,
844
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:39.039
that that's like that, that one tonally is is one.
845
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:41.440
I always think that's It's also got to me like
846
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:45.000
one of the greatest scores of a movie by Ellie Goldenthal.
847
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:49.320
So I find myself listening to that score pretty often,
848
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:54.360
you know, like when you know, writing stuff or whatever,
849
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:58.360
when thinking about scenes, I will apply that score a lot,
850
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:03.679
you know. Oh cool, I can, I'll revisit that one often.
851
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:03.519
You know.
852
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:08.880
Yeah, yeah, I've actually I've never seen that one, but
853
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:12.039
if I've heard, you know, the stories about in how
854
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.320
like I think there's a lot of studio interference, and
855
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:18.679
there's now like now you can see the full director's cut,
856
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:22.440
that really changes the whole intention of the film, Is
857
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.239
that right? Or yeah?
858
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:27.519
It was. My understanding of the production of that is
859
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:31.000
that it was, you know, a complete shit show. And
860
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.400
I think David Fincher directed it, and I think that
861
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.360
was his first studio film, and I think he's even
862
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:39.440
disowned it, like he won't even talk about it.
863
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.559
But yeah, you have to check check it out. And
864
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:44.639
and yeah, that one.
865
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:48.519
I don't know every single movie that I've done, I
866
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:50.599
feel like I can. I can see a little bit
867
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:53.960
of Alien three DNA in every one of them.
868
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:54.199
You know.
869
00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:59.920
Interesting, Okay, I would have never thought that, but now
870
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.519
like you've now effectively sold me unseeing Alien three because
871
00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:06.760
I love your movies, so I want to see that connection.
872
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:08.119
You know. That's really cool?
873
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:11.719
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a it's a
874
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:12.159
good movie.
875
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:12.440
It's you.
876
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:14.639
I think you'll enjoy it.
877
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:15.599
Sweet Sweet.
878
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:20.239
Have you kind of dipped into like, you know, splatter
879
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:23.000
films from around the world at all, like outside of
880
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:24.760
the United States.
881
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:26.400
I have.
882
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:29.519
Yeah, I mean I've seen a number of the French
883
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:33.760
the kind of the French what's the word for it,
884
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:38.519
like murder drone movies and okay, you know, then there's
885
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:40.400
the German the German movies too, like.
886
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:43.119
All Off and back.
887
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:48.000
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, all Off and uh. The one
888
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.280
one that I one that I know that kind of
889
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:55.360
like Harvest Brew definitely got some from was the I
890
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:58.239
believe it's actually I don't. I think it's a French movie.
891
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:03.039
It's like Mad Mutilator, oh grow oh yeah, you know,
892
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:05.559
kind of like it ends up it ends up being
893
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:08.239
where the killer kind of becomes like the hero at
894
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:10.679
the end, I believe. I think there's a scene where
895
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:13.440
he's like on chasing somebody on a on a motorcycle.
896
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.559
But that one has really cool and then by the
897
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:19.599
end of it, it's like it starts out as a
898
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:21.079
slasher movie and then by the end it becomes a
899
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:23.800
zombie movie, and then somehow they even throw in a
900
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:25.559
vampire by the end, you know.
901
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:29.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that.
902
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:31.280
Yeah that I now that you mentioned it, I can
903
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:34.400
see the connections because there is sort of just like
904
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.519
it's almost like approaching filmmaking in a way that is
905
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.840
just let's make this as entertaining as possible.
906
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:41.400
You know.
907
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:44.840
Yeah. My understanding of the story with a lot of
908
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:48.960
those filmmakers from back then was was that because of
909
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:54.719
because of their their the country's banning a lot of
910
00:49:55.440 --> 00:50:00.280
horror movies. If they weren't banned altogether, then they were
911
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:05.480
heavily edited and or censored. And so those guys with
912
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:09.440
the onset of VHS technology, they were you know, it
913
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:11.480
was pretty much like that. They were like, well, you know,
914
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:16.599
we'll make our own absurd horror movies. And that's that's
915
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.920
where you get a lot of like the more extreme
916
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:23.679
absurd levels of violence in those movies because it was
917
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:26.440
something that was so heavily censored at that time.
918
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:30.960
Yeah, that makes me think about what you were saying
919
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:35.920
as a kid, like seeing Faces of Death the cover
920
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:40.360
as a kid and seeing it and not being able
921
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:42.880
to watch the movie, but what it made your mind
922
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:45.920
come up with, you know, and it's like these people
923
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.800
in these countries where they can't access these films because
924
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:53.039
they're banned, their mind is just conjuring up this, like
925
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.800
they're imagining these really crazy films that they go ahead
926
00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:57.199
and make.
927
00:50:57.920 --> 00:50:59.800
Yeah, there's something there's something to be said about that.
928
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:03.760
Sure, where you do get a lot of with a
929
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:07.159
lot of those movies, you do get a lot of
930
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:11.159
like very rich material out of it.
931
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:15.679
Totally, Totally, it feels like you're you've been kind of
932
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:21.239
mentioning going like into more extreme directions with films, like
933
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:23.679
are you someone that tries to find, you know, like
934
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:26.679
the most disturbing film or the most extreme film? Like
935
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:29.119
have you had those periods at all of being like
936
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:30.480
a horror fan?
937
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:35.599
Yeah, I mean certainly, certainly when I was younger.
938
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:37.639
You know, It's like, you know, I was probably like
939
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:39.639
fifteen years old when I first learned that there was
940
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:43.079
such a thing as a cannibal Holocaust. And then yeah,
941
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.400
I think I think at that time, Grindhouse hadn't even
942
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:49.480
officially released it, so it was like, you know, getting
943
00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:52.079
my hands on Cannibal Holocaust was like this this almost
944
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.559
holy grill, you know kind of movie, Get my hands
945
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:57.400
on and finally I found a guy who had a bootleg.
946
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:02.800
You know, so yeah, yeah, I certainly dipped into that.
947
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:08.199
I don't know that I have been too much of
948
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:13.719
one to seek out a movie specifically for the extreme
949
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.079
violent nature of it, you know.
950
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:19.719
Okay, probably with the exception of that one, you know.
951
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:22.079
Right, and some others.
952
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:28.320
Yeah, yeah, I mean your films do kind of they
953
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:31.400
walk a fine line in a way. I think if you,
954
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:34.119
if you didn't have so much of like the Creatures
955
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:37.440
and the Mutants, they would feel like they're starting to
956
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:41.840
push a little bit towards like more disturbing and edgier
957
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:46.280
kind of territory. But it's interesting because you are on
958
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:49.239
one of the symbolicuses I think the first one, right,
959
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:51.079
the Volume one.
960
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:54.920
Yes, okay, cool? Cool? How did you get involved with that?
961
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:01.599
I mean I've I've met Marcus Jesse and and uh
962
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.039
and hung out of them before, and they they were,
963
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.000
you know, we're talking about doing that project and just
964
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:10.199
bringing a bunch of a number of filmmakers on to
965
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:13.679
uh do segments, and I was just like, yeah, I'm
966
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:14.519
totally on board.
967
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:18.000
Yeah, because a lot of a lot of those filmmakers
968
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.639
seem to be kind of more on the extreme end
969
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:21.639
of things, you know.
970
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:26.199
So my wife's actually one of them, right, right, which
971
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:32.599
one is hers? I believe it was the Upside Down Cross.
972
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:34.320
I think it's I think it's the symbol that that
973
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:34.760
she did.
974
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:38.039
It's got like it's got.
975
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:41.719
Like The Witches Covenant, you know, it's very it's very
976
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:43.000
music video.
977
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:45.440
Yeah, she did a good job with that.
978
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:47.280
Nice.
979
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:51.800
So is your wife like like a regular filmmaker like
980
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:53.840
you are, Like has she you know, made a lot
981
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:56.440
of films and similarly to you.
982
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:01.440
I think that was her first time like directing something.
983
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:04.239
But I mean, yeah, she's she helps me out a lot.
984
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:08.480
You know, she's she's instrumental, and you know, we we
985
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:11.960
a lot of times when we go out scouting looking
986
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.480
for those you know, looking for those settings. She's with
987
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:18.239
me a lot of the time. So so yeah, she's
988
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:23.239
you know, instrumental and you know everything I.
989
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:26.440
Have noticed she's been in in all of your films
990
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:29.679
and everything, and that's really great that you've you've found
991
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:35.440
someone that kind of shares your passion and creativity for filmmaking.
992
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:39.639
So does she have any interest in like making her
993
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.119
own films though, like outside of the Symbolicists.
994
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:46.480
Film, Yeah, I think so. I think that she does
995
00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:49.840
at some point. She's talked about it before.
996
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:53.119
Maybe you should let her direct one of your upcoming ideas.
997
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:57.239
That would be That would be an interesting experiment for sure.
998
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:01.920
Yeah, at least the test footage you could try out,
999
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:04.039
you know, like see what she kind of wants to
1000
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:04.800
bring out of it.
1001
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:07.719
Oh yeah, no, yeah, that would that would be fun. Yeah,
1002
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:09.800
we're we're all I mean, we're all just like friends.
1003
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:13.599
I mean, I don't it would be cool to hire
1004
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:17.360
actors at some point to bring them in, but you know, yeah,
1005
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:21.360
we're all just like pretty much everyone involved in in
1006
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:23.519
all of the projects, we're all kind of like a
1007
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:24.519
friend group.
1008
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.880
Right Because I noticed, like Anthony Leroy is in Harvest
1009
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:32.280
Brood and he's also a filmmaker you know that you've
1010
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:35.039
gotten in touch with. Have you had other filmmakers kind
1011
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.760
of reach out that have said like, hey, I don't
1012
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:39.559
live in the same area as you, but I want
1013
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:40.280
to get involved.
1014
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:43.960
Yeah. Yeah, that is an exception there with with where
1015
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:49.280
you know, Anthony obviously you know shot that somewhere else.
1016
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:51.440
I wasn't you know, present with him and he nailed
1017
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:55.320
that by the way, But uh m hmm, I've also
1018
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:59.840
had I think in variant yeah, variant two. Uh, there's
1019
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:02.760
like a voice appearance by Alex Wesley. I don't know
1020
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:05.920
if you've heard of him. He's a Russian filmmaker. He
1021
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:09.400
did a movie called Demon Mind. I think that's probably
1022
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.760
the one that he's known for the most. But he's
1023
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:16.360
made some really cool, really cool stuff. But the character
1024
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.480
in the in the opening at variant too is speaking Russian,
1025
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.800
so that's him doing the voice. And then of course
1026
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:28.960
I've had another recurring cast member is Toby Johansson, who
1027
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:32.840
played you know, the scientist guy in the first three movies,
1028
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.400
and he was the professor of the folklore professor in
1029
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:40.480
Harvest Bruge just recently. And he's also a filmmaker. He's
1030
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:43.639
got a movie called Hacksaw documentary of a psycho killer
1031
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:48.760
and uh, and he's he's been working on one for
1032
00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:51.280
a while that should be should be out pretty soon.
1033
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:52.320
I think a new one.
1034
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:54.079
Oh cool. Do you know what it's called.
1035
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:57.599
It's called slaughter Horse, I believe.
1036
00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:00.400
Yeah, horse like like an animal horse.
1037
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:04.800
Yes, yeah, I don't know. I don't know the exact plot,
1038
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:07.920
but I guess it is. It is a guy who
1039
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:11.880
has a horse mask. You know that is a is
1040
00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:15.119
a is I guess a slasher or or something to
1041
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:16.159
something of that nature.
1042
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.679
You know, I'm looking forward.
1043
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:19.000
To seeing it.
1044
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:22.239
Yeah, that sounds great. I'll have to I'll have to
1045
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:22.800
look him up.
1046
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:27.119
So Harvest Brood is coming out on Blu Ray September.
1047
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:29.920
Where would people be able to get that?
1048
00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:35.199
Then I should have it on my store, but I
1049
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:39.400
might be changing the store, so it's not that's I
1050
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:42.800
guess that's something that could be added in later.
1051
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:43.960
Like I'll send you a link.
1052
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:47.199
Yeah, for sure, absolutely, because it might it might be
1053
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:49.159
a different It might I have a I have a
1054
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:51.480
web store currently, but I might I might be going
1055
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:54.719
a different route altogether with that, So I just haven't
1056
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:56.119
crossed that bridge yet.
1057
00:57:56.360 --> 00:57:58.679
Yeah, just let me know, send me all the links.
1058
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.639
I'll have it in the show description and everything, and
1059
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:03.599
people will be able to find out where they can
1060
00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:06.159
buy your films. And you know, as you said, hopefully
1061
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:09.519
you're going to have represses of all your earlier films
1062
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:11.719
so people can get their hands on all of them.
1063
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:15.079
And I'll have links to as well to the films
1064
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.440
that are available on YouTube. Oh that reminds you, which
1065
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:20.519
I just just had a curiosity. So I noticed on
1066
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:24.679
YouTube you have the South Mile District to Rattle morph
1067
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:28.440
and variant two in Harvest Brood, but you don't have
1068
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:32.119
Variant one. And I feel like I'm mix missing something else.
1069
00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:34.519
Oh sorry, adarexis on there, you don't have variant one
1070
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:35.679
on there to watch?
1071
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:38.760
Is there a reason for that? Uh?
1072
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:41.280
Well, I mean that one has of course the scene
1073
00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:44.960
that is virtually X rated, and.
1074
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:47.880
I believe that.
1075
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:51.599
I I did try to upload it on YouTube and
1076
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:55.920
it immediately down, but not for that reason. Strangely, it
1077
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:58.559
was it was it was actually because of the there's
1078
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:01.599
a scene where if you're or the bomb gets destroyed
1079
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:03.880
by the zombies and then it kind of cuts to
1080
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:06.719
the next morning, just as like ravaged body parts all
1081
00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:08.960
over and there's ants crawling all over it and everything.
1082
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:10.800
It it flagged it for that.
1083
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:13.360
I guess it's AI kind of caught that immediately, so
1084
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:15.360
it didn't quite get to the X rated scene. But
1085
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:17.960
you know, if it wasn't that, it probably would have
1086
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:22.159
been the X rays. Of course, it is available on
1087
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:23.679
a few places.
1088
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:24.079
Uh.
1089
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:28.960
There's one called Dolphodolpho dot tv. It's a really new
1090
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:33.559
platform that they're trying to take off with and Variant
1091
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:36.599
is on that, and it's also on I'm not gonna
1092
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.800
be able to pronounce it correctly. I want to say
1093
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:44.679
Cabana sing it's a. It's a. It's like a. I
1094
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:48.239
think it's a French Canadian service. That's uh. You can
1095
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:52.440
just go to their website and stream stream movies for free, okay,
1096
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:55.039
I think they have Yeah, they have some of Anthony's
1097
00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:57.320
work on there. But variant is on that.
1098
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:01.400
Okay, Caban, I'll saying, yeah, I've definitely heard of that festival.
1099
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:03.199
So I didn't know they had a streaming service. That's
1100
01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:04.519
really cool they do.
1101
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:07.960
Yeah, all right, Joe, Well we're coming to an hour,
1102
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:10.360
so I figure we can hit the questionnaire and I'll
1103
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:11.519
let you get on your way.
1104
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:13.320
What is one item you can't live without?
1105
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:21.599
I I I guess I hate to say cigarettes. Unfortunately,
1106
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:23.440
I do have that habit.
1107
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:27.480
I've had someone else say a vight before, so I
1108
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:29.400
feel like it's kind of a little the same line.
1109
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:32.199
But you're your analog like that.
1110
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:35.480
So yeah, right, right right, that's funny.
1111
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:40.159
Yeah, what was the last great movie you saw in theaters?
1112
01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:45.559
Last great movie saw on theaters? It would be the
1113
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:49.639
best one that's all. Most of them have all been
1114
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:51.800
You can name a few if you want. Yeah, most
1115
01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:53.960
of them been garbage for a while. I've been I've been,
1116
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:56.679
like i've been, I've been stung by.
1117
01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:59.920
Them pretty badly. Uh.
1118
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:03.280
Well, Actually, you know what I did see whenever Alien
1119
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:07.000
was re released a couple of years ago. I went
1120
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:09.719
to see that really and that was really awesome. That
1121
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:11.760
was like, I've seen the movie a thousand times, but
1122
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:17.960
that one seeing it like that was was like seeing
1123
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:18.880
it for the first time.
1124
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:20.280
I can imagine.
1125
01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:24.079
Yeah, I've just seen the four k of it at
1126
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:27.559
a friend's place so far, and that's that's that was amazing.
1127
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.119
Really made the set design stand out.
1128
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:31.719
Yeah, exactly.
1129
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:31.960
Yeah.
1130
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:34.960
Yeah, the the whole production design of that movie is
1131
01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:37.760
is incredible. That one stuck to me for a while.
1132
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:40.800
A week or so after seeing it, I was, you know,
1133
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:41.960
just thinking about it a lot.
1134
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.079
What was the last great concert you went to?
1135
01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:47.719
Concert?
1136
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:52.360
I saw Marilyn Manson in Nashville just a couple of
1137
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:52.840
months ago.
1138
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:55.960
Oh wow, Okay, who was he playing with?
1139
01:01:58.599 --> 01:01:59.400
Marilyn Manson?
1140
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:03.920
Yeah, I don't I think he was the headliner. I'm
1141
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:06.199
not even sure that I saw the opening act on
1142
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:06.559
that one.
1143
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:08.119
Oh okay, fair, Fair.
1144
01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:12.400
Sometimes I find acts like that will bring interesting openers.
1145
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:14.519
But yeah, I think it was just a headlining thing
1146
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:17.880
that the opening was. The opener was probably maybe one
1147
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:20.400
of the more local, local type groups, but I'm not
1148
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:20.920
really sure.
1149
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:25.559
Oh okay, oh, fair enough, fair. What was the last
1150
01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:26.800
great book you read?
1151
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:30.920
I have actually not read. I mean the last book
1152
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:33.960
I read was for the very first time, the Amityville Horror.
1153
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.400
Oh okay, which that was? That's that was really good.
1154
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:40.159
That's that's a really creepy, eerie book. And you know,
1155
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:44.119
I've seen all the films and everything, but I've always
1156
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:47.119
loved to read. But I just find myself unfortunately not
1157
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:50.280
having as much time to read as I once did.
1158
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:52.920
But that is the last book that I did read,
1159
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.199
like in the last like over the winter time.
1160
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:58.039
Cool. What's your favorite Amityville movie.
1161
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:01.280
I'm gonna say the second one, Okay, Yeah, where they
1162
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:04.000
you know, where they bring in the kind of the exorcism.
1163
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:06.800
It's kind of it's kind of a yeah, it's I
1164
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:10.039
guess it's like more loosely based on the actual mass
1165
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:13.119
murder that occurred, and then they bring in the whole
1166
01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:14.039
exorcism angle.
1167
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:15.239
Yeah, that one.
1168
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:17.440
That one's always been really good to me. Yeah, I
1169
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:18.559
think I've seen all of them.
1170
01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:21.119
I haven't seen all of them. Yeah, I've seen like
1171
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:24.599
maybe seven or eight of them. I really like Andyville
1172
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:25.599
nineteen ninety two.
1173
01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:28.760
Is that the one with the clock like the yes,
1174
01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:32.599
the the whole house is the whole house is different too, right,
1175
01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:35.679
it's like a almost like a modernist brutalist style. Yeah,
1176
01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:36.000
I do.
1177
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:38.519
I have seen that one before yet that good seen.
1178
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:42.880
Have you seen the documentary, uh called My Amityville Horror
1179
01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:46.000
where it's the interview I'm trying to think of.
1180
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:49.480
The boy's name was Danny, I believe, you know, and
1181
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:49.800
he was.
1182
01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:53.920
The adopted son of Lutz whatever that the man's name,
1183
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:57.960
you know, And so he was the boy in the story.
1184
01:03:58.079 --> 01:03:59.480
And then I think he had two sisters.
1185
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:02.920
But anyway, he's grown now and it's an interview with him,
1186
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:06.639
and he's swearing by all of these these things at
1187
01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:11.880
the book claims, which okay, you know it's it's They
1188
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:15.119
also they also go see Lorraine Warren and they talked
1189
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:18.440
to like people who were, you know, relevant to the
1190
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:22.559
whole investigation of that, and it's pretty interesting. He really
1191
01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:26.800
does sound very convincing. I'll say that, yeah, that is
1192
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:28.840
whatever it is, you know, but I know in the
1193
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:33.440
book there's definitely inconsistencies that were like spy spotted right
1194
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:35.960
off the bat, but still very good. Cool.
1195
01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:36.280
Cool.
1196
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:41.440
That's called my Ambityville Miamityville Horror. Yeah, I believe it's
1197
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:43.800
like I think you can watch it well to be
1198
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:48.440
I think has every Amityville movie on it now. Oh wow,
1199
01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:50.159
so that one is also on there?
1200
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:53.880
Yeah, okay, sweet, I'll have to check that out. Okay,
1201
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.480
this this is a long question. But for his final meal,
1202
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:02.400
John Wayne Gacy picked can sea chicken, shrimp, and strawberries
1203
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:05.360
for your final meal before being executed.
1204
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:06.159
What would you pick?
1205
01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:13.119
Man? Probably like tacos, honestly, you know, like I'm a
1206
01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:15.119
big I really like Mexican food.
1207
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:19.639
At it you know who doesn't? Yeah, man, like I
1208
01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:20.400
don't know, Or.
1209
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:24.239
Like a whopper from Burger King, you know this specifically
1210
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:28.039
the Texas double whopper, the one with the halapinos.
1211
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:29.440
You know, maybe that.
1212
01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:34.320
Yeah, anything to drink or like dessert.
1213
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:37.039
I guess the drink I would I guess I wouldn't
1214
01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:39.400
be allowed an alcoholic beverage in that scenario.
1215
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:43.280
So uh oh no, no, no, no, you can have whatever
1216
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:43.679
you want.
1217
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:46.559
Oh well then yeah, well then definitely just like probably
1218
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:48.920
just what did I say, it was that it is
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a whopper and then like yeah, probably like a beer,
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you know, I don't know, maybe it would make the uh,
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make the process feel a little bit more okay, I don't.
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Know, make it more of a fun experience.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Okay. Final question, Can art go too far?
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You know? That's that's a that's actually a really difficult
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question because I mean, obviously you would say as long
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as someone is not it's something's out to hurt somebody,
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then that would be. But then at the same time,
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you know, there is I guess art that's that is
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portrayed through through pain, even though I you know a
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lot of times that's like some kind of a consensual
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type of act, you know, like in tern of like
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when it comes to like for certain types of performance arts.
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So yeah, oh that's a difficult question, man.
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So maybe it's it's impossible to answer.
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. That's something that
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would be something to really really think about as far
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as if it can go too far or not.
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I find a lot of people say yes, but kind
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of based on what you were just saying about how
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art only goes too far when it is actually harming
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the people that are making it or harming someone else.
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Yes, which does exist.
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And I mean if it's if it's done consensually, then sure,
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I don't necessarily have a problem with that, but that
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can also be hard to determine in a way, if
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someone is fully consenting to the harm that they're going through.
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Yeah, it's just it's.
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I mean, you know it does you know, of course
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that obviously exists, And then there's a certain point where
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a person that stops being an artist and just becomes
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someone who's exploiting someone for their own benefit, which is
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more of a predator and not really not really, they
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don't really deserve the term artists, if you know, if
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that's their mission. Yeah, that's a hard one.
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Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, stuff.
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I think it's something that is worth asking and thinking about.
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But I would agree that it's hard to answer to
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to have a final judgment on, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But anyways, I'll leave you to dwell on that and
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maybe it will feed into your next project somehow, whether
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it's the Ataraxia full sequence or The Harvest Brute two.
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Either way, I hope you make both films because they
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both sound phenomenal.
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So yeah, man, thanks a lot. Yeah, I appreciate it,
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like I appreciate you doing this too, you know, like
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showcasing you know, filmmakers like me and and that's that's
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a cool platform and and uh yeah I wish you
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luck man.
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Yeah, thank you so much much for you.
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Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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We would love to have you back on after you
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complete the X film, which one it is, you know,
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and we can talk about. Okay, So Joe, how did
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you decide you're going to do at a Rex Yeah,
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full sequence or something, you know, we'll figure that out. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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thank you so much, Joe. I was great talking to you.
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And yeah, have a great day.
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Well man. You Toobe.
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