Split Your Head - Season 4 - Episode 56 - Interview with the M. Sisters (Divine Hammer)

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Hello and welcome to Split Your Head. I'm your host
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Bob and today's special guests are the m sisters Hazel
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Am and May Am, whose brand new feature film, Divine
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Hammer is a certified head splitting banger. Mumblegore insanity ensues
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as we watch these two girls meet up online and
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then make plans to kill each other on tape. However,
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what happens is said instead is dare I say more
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of a buddy comedy. Truly, unlike anything I've seen before,
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Divine Hammer is a fascinating journey through tones and forms
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that electrified me at every turn. I am so stoked
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to have these two on so I can pick their
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brain and figure out how the hell they came up
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with such a miraculous debut.
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May Hazel, thank you so much for coming on.
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I just finished much happening us. Yeah, oh yeah, I
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mean I have for the kind words.
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Yeah yeah, I mean every word, because like I just
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finished the movie and was like, oh my god, brain
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exploded so many questions, But also how do I pull
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the questions out of my brain? Let's start right away
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with how's the reception been so far? I understand you've
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been doing some festival screenings and stuff and.
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It's been really good, which is not particularly what we expected.
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There's like kind of the twofold of we are two
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people who've been primarily making stuff on the internet for
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like YouTube audiences. Twitch. So there's the initial moment of
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oh shit, it has surpassed that initial expected audience of
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like people who already care about our stuff, and then
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there has been the secondary oh shit of people actually
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liking it.
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Yeah.
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Like, especially when when two YouTubers make a film, if
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it escapes their niche, it is probably because someone fucking
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hated it and wants to talk about how much they
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hate it.
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Right.
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The fact that people aren't hating this film has been
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all right, the fact that this.
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Isn't sort of like a curio within our body of
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internet work.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I think on that note, it is also a
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little bit crazy how many people are willing to show
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up in physical places to see the film. Yeah, some
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people have. I think like a couple of people at
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some of these screenings have traveled from out of state.
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I think one person at the premiere came from fucking Canada,
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South Carolina. South Carolina, which is funny because there was
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a South Carolina show like tonight, right. Yeah, I wonder
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if they're feeling about that.
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I wonder if they went, oh wow, that's awesome.
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Well, I feel like what you're both talking about with
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being YouTube creators is like when you make content online,
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you're kind of used to like a quick flash of interest.
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Yeah you know, yeah, and.
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You've made a movie, and like obviously you might not
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get that quick flash, but it will just grow and
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grow and like resonate with people. And I think what
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you did is like such a resonant film, you know. So, yeah,
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where did the idea come from exactly? And like how
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long did it take you to make it?
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So the let's just say that functionally, like March or
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April of twenty twenty three was the film's impetus.
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Yeah, okay, and we.
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Finished the premiere cut like three days before it premiered.
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So it was like December twelfth.
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Yeah, it was like two years and nine months, is
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that right?
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Yeah?
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Yeah.
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That mostly happened because we had a premiere schedule for
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the end of twenty twenty five, because we desperately wanted
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to be a twenty twenty five film and not date
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twenty twenty six.
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Yeah. Oh, which is funny.
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When we announced the film, we were like, oh, Divine
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Hammer twenty twenty four.
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Yeah, a sort of a prime thing. We were like,
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we can't have this stretch out another fucking year.
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So like even if it was January second, twenty twenty six,
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it would feel it feel like we missed it by
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two years instead of just one.
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So you know, the initial concept for the film started
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around spring of twenty twenty three. We started discussing it
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a little bit closer to summer, and that was when
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we bought tickets to shoot in October, and that was
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the point that we went, all, right, now we need
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to have something ready when it's time to shoot.
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Yeah, So we wrote the portion.
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Of the film that we had that we knew would
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take place in Pennsylvania, because I bought tickets to fly
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to Pennsylvania to shoot that portion of the film first
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knowing but I would be alone in Seattle and could theoretically,
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so I thought, at the time shoot all of the
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Seattle stuff myself. May wasn't supposed to be living here
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already when we started that.
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So I when we shot, we had like a.
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Vague outline of everything that happens before Holly gets on
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the plane, But it was pretty much from that point
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forward that we had written in time to shoot, and
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then little smatterings between the end of twenty twenty three
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through twenty twenty five, we kind of picked away at
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adding some new shots here and there, developing a couple
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of extra details, changing a few things. I think I
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reshot the intro to the film like a couple days
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before it premiered, like maybe a week before it, Like.
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We shot something for Scarecrow for the film, yes, the
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same day or the same.
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Week, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, and then and then we
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parted ways, and then I went and reshot the opening
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of the film.
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Yeah. Yeah, So like this this film was like there's
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a big stretch in twenty twenty four where not much happened,
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but basically our entire twenty twenty three is, and our
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entire twenty twenty fives, other than two other massive projects
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that we got set in, Divine Hammer was like the
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thing that we were working on.
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Generally speaking, working on movie was like the thing that
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we did together last year. Yeah, we managed to work
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on a good handful of productions together, which is really nice,
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but all of that inherently did relate back to Divine Hammer.
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Yeah, because when we weren't working on Divine Hammer, it's
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like Okay, well, we seem to finish Divine Hammer this
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these skills will help bridge the final gap, even the
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final gap is just editing.
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Can I can I ask a question that might like
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rob you of sleep? Okay, So if you didn't have
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that premier date and you were totally fine with it
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coming on twenty twenty six, would you have just kept
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working on it?
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No?
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Okay, so you knew it was well, I mean, okay,
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so I us like having a date that it had
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to get done by does light the fire under your ass.
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So I think in that sense we can probably say
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that in the same way we bought plane tickets before
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we had a finished script. Okay, we had a premiere
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before we had a film, which was a shitty thing
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to do. That was a liability that we were creating
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for everybody we were working with.
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There was really appropriate. There was a ninety percent cut
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that they could have screened. Yeah, but like.
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That didn't have to happen.
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Anything additive that we thought of in twenty twenty five,
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even before we had that premiere date, other than the
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the kill where Rose gets shot with the gun and
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the cigarette is inside the gun. Basically everything we thought
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of in twenty twenty five that wasn't like editing or
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score or like minor writing. Tweaks got shut down because
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it was like reshoot this, reshoot that, reshoot this, which
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we couldn't afford to do it, not necessarily monetarily or
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time wise, but just in a world where we have
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the like the mental health to finish this film. When
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you start redoing stuff and redoing stuff and redoing stuff,
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it would become as yeah.
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Yeah, what is that?
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A ship of thesis?
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The ship of theseus is the concept of if a
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ship is rebuilt gradually over time such that none of
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its original parts are still there because every single part
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of it has been replaced with freshwood, is it still
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the same object?
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Oh my god?
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Okay, interesting, So okay, total tangent. I'll try to make
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this fast. But you're making me think of like an
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art thing that I used to do as a kid
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in school, where you color a piece of paper with
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like different colors, and then you cover it all in
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black crayon, and then you use like like a coin
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or like something and scratch.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, I guess that's sort of almost like the
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opposite of what you're talking about.
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It in a way it is like going back.
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It's a really good metaphor though.
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Yeah, yeah, it is.
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Like an additive layer that by stripping it back you
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get more from the initial stuff.
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What we realized was that all of our anxiety about
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necessary reshoots really.
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Was just.
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Editing it really, really meticulously and really getting a couple
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of inserts here and there.
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Like the last maybe week or so.
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Of editing, a lot of it was going, Okay, I
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need like an extra shot here, I need something I
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can cut to, like not literally this, but I was like,
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can I just like get the back of my head
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against a white wall? You know, Like how do I
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create things that that look like they're in sequence when
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really they're not.
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Like a lot of effectively paper machining over.
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Yeah, some of the lay there are stuff I've never.
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Thought again when we were initially shooting.
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Yeah, there are a couple of insert shots of hands
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holding cameras that I shot like a week before the
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premiere stuff like that.
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So it does feel very textual in that way.
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You know.
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I think that's kind of what you're talking about, is
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like shots as textures, you.
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Know, definitely right like that. Yeah, it's there's there's kind
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of like an arc of motion that a scene or
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really a film kind of needs to to bridge. And
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you know it's like these big, long kind of stretches
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where everything needs to you know, flow uninterruptedly. I don't
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really know what I'm saying.
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No, no, no, no, I feel you, because like, are
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you talking about something that happens with the narrative or
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something that happens with the form the form?
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Like yeah, yeah, to keep it because like it's really
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I'm basically incapable of seeing Divine Hammer as a film
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and not like a series of its constituent parts that
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either are put together well or are jutting out in
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different directions and haven't yet been tamed, because so much
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of that film was fixing stuff and editing. Really we're
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finding stuff and editing, so like, you know, there were
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basically on like the on either end of every cut.
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I would pretty much go through like frame by frame
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and see, like do these two frames connect together the best?
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So how much slack is there? Can it connect? If
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not cut it? Cut it?
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Yeah.
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The craziest example of reshoot stuff and original shoot stuff
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blending together was the first couple shots of when they
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go to dinner together and they eat in the back
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of her trunk. There's a series of shots there where
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like every other shot is cutting, cutting back and forth
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between stuff we shot in twenty twenty three and stuff
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we shot in twenty twenty five. Oh wow, if you remember,
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this is a shot that somebody pointed out as being
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like really like perfectly. I think it was a friend's
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mom pointed out like that. There's that quick shot of
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the guy smoking you see through the window. Yeah, it's
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possible that that didn't stick out to you. That was
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shot in the backseat of May's car. Yeah, okay, so
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I step in through the back seat, but the way
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that the continent continuity of motion happens, it still feels
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like I'm climbing into the.
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Back Yeah yeah. But yeah, like every.
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Other shot in that sequence is like either flipped horizontally
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or like was shot at a totally separate time.
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That car broke down like two months after we shot that.
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So really really glad.
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The one of the very last pickups I got was
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the last time you were ever inside of that car.
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Yeah yeah, because it broke down and then it got mold,
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and then it got even more mold, and then then
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I sold it. To a drunk yard.
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You're making me think of oh shit, Uh, you're making
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me think of a really good racer head anecdote.
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Awesome.
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No, because, like I'm not sure if you know the
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whole production of that film and how.
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It's it was like seven years.
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No end to be working on one film for seven years.
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Right, So there's supposedly a shot that's similar what you're
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talking about, where it's like the main character goes to
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a door and when he opens the door. Supposedly those
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two shots were done like years.
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Yeah, totally, three or.
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Four years apart or something crazy.
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It's it's validating. So it's like that are very validating.
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Oh totally.
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I kept thinking about jack Nance having to keep his
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hair like that the entire time that film was in
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production because I couldn't fucking commit.
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Yeah, I died my hair like the night before I
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flew out, and I have not died it again since.
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So it's its natural color now, and there's some reshoots
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where my hair is just a completely different shape and color.
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Or you couldn't be bothering to take ten minutes to
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put on nail polish.
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Uh yeah that also? Yeah, no, halling disappear in nail
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polish is like, I don't know why I thought that
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the nail polish was anacceptable He kept the fucking eraser
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head for seven years, yep, Yeah, yeah, I couldn't even
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keep the nail for one fucking shoot.
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So so I'm curious then, because you know, we were
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talking about this before we were recording, how the whole
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idea of it being like secretly kind of a comedy
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is something that you're not necessarily wanting to put out there.
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So was that maybe something that you weren't even aware
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of when you started the project, Like, did you know
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you wanted to make, for lack of a better word,
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like a snaff based comedy.
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We really didn't like it. Yeah, we found ourselves increasingly
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incapable of making it anything but like kind of funny
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or like funny to us.
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Yeah, I think the subject matter is so not necessarily
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dark but edgy that playing entirely seriously is prone to
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make us look incredibly not even try hard necessarily, but
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just like kind of unaware of what we're actually making.
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When we set out to make the film, it the
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long and short of It is, in twenty twenty three,
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we both got really into old cameras. I found some
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old medical gore on one that I bought, like like
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a guy getting his face cut open, he's all found
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a camera. Was like, what if there's dead bodies on here?
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And then it felt weird that she thought that there
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might be dead body?
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Yeah, that was the impetition. It was was I plugged
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a flip video camera I had bought into my computer
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and saw that there were files on it already, and
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when I'm about to see a dead child? And then
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I saw a woman at a horseback riding recital. Yeah,
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and I went, why was I so positive I was
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going to see a dead child?
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What I want?
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Did I secretly want to see a dead child?
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I bought a camera and it was just it was
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like a a something that like medical students recorded of them,
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like cutting a guy's face open. And I'm sure they
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used like the FireWire to project it onto a screen
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and taught a class with it, but yeah, they fucked
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up hip A violations. Crazy. Yeah.
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And that was after I had already conceptualized the basic idea,
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which was what do I do with this feeling that
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I just got? Yeah? Okay, yeah, So because I was like, well,
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I have friends who are all over the entire world.
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I could ask them to just film shit and like
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that can be the contents of a pre purchased camera
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and I can kind of stitch together these like vignettes
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through the framework of this.
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I'm not going to meet these people in real life.
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I can just do like a short film collection with
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my friends exactly exactly.
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And then and then that eroded because I actually got
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to meet May in person, and then like basically I
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went from like I think I might be able to
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make this as a short film and like do it
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like mostly by myself and not have to ask that
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much of people, to meeting and getting close to May
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and realizing, oh my god, I can get this girl
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to do anything I want.
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Yeah, I'll do literally anything.
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So as we were.
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Feeling those feelings and thinking about this film concept of
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someone who like wants to find this on a camera,
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the thoughts about like what type of person seeks this
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stuff out? What are the communities we're familiar with, and
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like how do we hyper flanderize them into like the weirdest,
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most like dumb version.
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I think the thing is we didn't have to flannerize
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them literally at all, Like I we all it took
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was us going like we sand down to like think
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about this, this gore preservation society. That's a funny string
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of words.
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Yeah, that concept. I find the word preservation so funny. Yeah,
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it's kind of like a lost media wiki type thing
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where it's like okay, man, sure, yeah, where it's like
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going to serve this and yes, acronym is like so
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fucking funny.
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Yeah, they're kind of applying like a they're acting like
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they're applying like a sort of scientific rigor to archiving
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these Yeah, to what is it affect sport server? Yeah,
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and like we we uh, we were going into this
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with a lot of kind of exposure to the kinds
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of gore on the Internet where people couldn't decide whether
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or not they were real or fake, right, and always
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it's fake. It's if you have to ask, it's fake.
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It's willing this that people had to kind of like
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delude themselves into thinking it could be real or on
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the flip side there they're like lack of critical understanding
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of what violence really looks like was kind of like
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that kind of defines the like gore hound in our
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mind a little bit. Is this sort of like we've
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run through all of the real stuff, and so now
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we need to kind of be flirting with this idea
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that this clip from the Poughkeepsie tapes might actually be
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real found footage.
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Twofold point from me one. I recently we watched bud Letting,
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which is a film we did not watch until after
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we have written the entire film and shot most of it.
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It has a lot of similarities to Fine Hammer. Okay,
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that's to inflate our egos mostly, but I love that
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film so much. I mist remember the intro as having
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like one real snuff clip and then a bunch of
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fake gore. No.
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No, Like you're familiar with the film blood Letting, it
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was edited by jarr Book Walter, who's kind of one
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of the y Yeah yeah, yeah, he edited and produced it.
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I was directed by Matthew Jason Walsh, and that intro
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has like, yeah, the intro to that film is this
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gore footage from other from other gore films. Yeah, it's
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it's like the opening is it's they play this entire
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like minute or like three and a half minute long,
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like uh like like wizard Metal song.
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And underneath it you're seeing footage.
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That is kind of being filmed off of a t
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CRT and kind of like us picture static is fading
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in and out and it's a collection of like kills
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from different Tempe video releases that was studio right, and
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then yeah, like a bunch of real war a lot of.
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And rewatching it. It's like, Okay, that one's an effect
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because it looks like an effect, and that one's definitely
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a real dead body just loved like a real dead guy.
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Because like you're watching it and you're like, I'm watching
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I'm not watching fucking Faces of Death. I'm watching a
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goofy little film on two B.
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Yeah, I'm not.
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Like I was like, it was like this kind of
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slow dawning on me that what I was seeing wasn't fictional.
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The only times that's happened where I'm like, oh no.
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And then like the rest of the film is completely
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just like like.
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Well, there's this sex scene. Does have there they are
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they do crossfade in and out footage of a sex
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change off is okay, it's operation okay, Yeah, yeah, I
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never got one canonical video of a sex change operation? Right?
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Is the one that you think the same?
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That is it? The dolphin one? Uh? There's a self
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in the seuth Park episode. Oh oh yeah, Yeah, but no.
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When we were working on Divine Himmer, initially writing it,
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we were working on a video that we made about
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creepypasta on the Internet, like Internet scary stories, and we
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tried to make a video like it years prior. That
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kind of fell to the wayside because we got incredibly
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dissatisfied with the Internet's lust for real murder, real crime,
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real scary stories instead of just like letting fun fiction
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stay fun fiction. And those thoughts came back to mind
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when we started working on that video again with a
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new twist on it, and that I know definitely stuck
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with us when we were working on Divine Hammer and
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thinking about both the GPS and to answer your initial question,
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Rose and Holly, like, what what makes this person want
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it to be real in a world full of fake
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snuff and fake horror? And as we were working more
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on the film and getting to know these characters.
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And kind of.
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Knowing our limits both as first time filmmakers but also
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first time actresses and first time film writers.
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Yeah, because we didn't start with a short or anything.
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We went straight we are just by Hubris.
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Well, it's it's I guess it wasn't expecting you guys
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have such a critical analysis of like people interested in
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in like real life gore because I guess there is
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an element of it that did sort of resonated with me,
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like a truth to it.
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You know.
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We were talking about this a little bit before we
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start recording, the idea of like seeing something that's unseeable,
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seeing something that's beyond you, you know, And I feel
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like that that's sort of the emotional core of the film,
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and I feel like it can work on this metaphorical level,
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do you know what I mean?
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Yeah, I think I have seen my fair share of
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real death, both not against my will, but.
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Like voluntarily and involuntarily, Yeah.
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Voluntarily, involuntarily and including to the like up till to
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present day. And yeah, there's definitely that air of like,
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this is not supposed to be seen, This is beyond me.
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This is capturing feelings and visuals of like things that
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really should not be put down to page or put
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in front of a camera. And I think, uh, to
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blow or own whistle, like the characters finding what they
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like in making stuff or making stuff with other people
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or just connection period is kind of that moment of
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putting their eye on something that was unknowable or kind
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of uncapturable and finally doing that.
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I think they're they're both very, very lost, and they
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are both embroiled in subcultures that are centered entirely on destruction.
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And then they meet in person and then they construct things. Yeah,
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you know, like I think kind of like, uh, like
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the specifics there in were just sort of tailored to
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our own personal interests.
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Yeah, all of that is said, and I think that
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is that is true of Rose and Holly and the
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experience they have. But at the end of the day,
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they're also dumb. They're also like very well beyond their means,
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kind of just just like really thinking that they have
499
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:05.839
a lot more than they do. And I love the
500
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:09.880
beauty in that. And that's like, I think that's why
501
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:13.200
the film has to be a dark comedy, a buddy
502
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:17.920
comedy even, Yeah, because to take what they are doing
503
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:23.319
and either just exclusively shitting on it or just exclusively
504
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.119
embracing it instead of playing in the fun in between
505
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.319
of loving how amateur it is and laughing at how
506
00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:32.880
dumb they are and kind of reveling in that fun
507
00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:35.440
with them as they slowly realize that they're.
508
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:38.000
Dumb, right, okay, and.
509
00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:42.680
Letting the ice melt for the audience and the characters
510
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:45.680
at the same time. I think is the one of
511
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:47.599
the cores of the film. It is something that helps
512
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:51.319
it go down easy. I remember the first time someone
513
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:55.319
laughed at the Divine Hammer premiere, I was like, oh fuck,
514
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:58.720
and then they kept laughing. I was like, okay, cool,
515
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:01.319
this all lands. I wasn't just like they weren't just
516
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:02.920
they weren't just laughing once.
517
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:06.119
Because I get it out of their system.
518
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:10.440
Yea, yeah, yeah, because it's that's really scary to be
519
00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:12.880
in an audience of people who are laughing at your
520
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:16.920
film and knowing that's the intended experience. They don't hate you,
521
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:17.799
they're not trying to hit.
522
00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:17.960
You with.
523
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:21.920
That's so funny because every time I was.
524
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:25.720
Like yes, yes, yeah, no, no, no, pretty immediately I
525
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:28.720
was like yes, but I still have like the are
526
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:30.880
the tomatoes under their chair?
527
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:32.559
I think.
528
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:35.079
I think the moment for me when I went wait
529
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:38.079
a second, this is a comedy was when I think,
530
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:41.039
may you wake up in the morning next to Hazel
531
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:45.319
and you you finish the anecdote of like, oh it
532
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.039
was a girl that got me to pierce my symptum
533
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:50.599
as well or something. And it was such a perfect
534
00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:57.640
like rom com be in a way that I was like, what, yes, yeah, sick.
535
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:00.240
Yeah, No, I've been observing that you're you're picking on
536
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:02.200
a lot of stuff in the film that like, I
537
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:05.319
really love that I haven't heard people call attention to yet.
538
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.559
Well, I didn't even tell you about the like moment
539
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:12.119
I had where I had to pause and I wrote
540
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:16.640
it down the whole. And this is what resonated with
541
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:21.359
me so much emotionally was the sorry, harvesting memories to
542
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:22.119
find death.
543
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:25.720
Oh yeah, harvest their memory carding, we'll find it real footage.
544
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:28.519
Yeah yeah, harvesting which memory cards?
545
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:30.640
Right? Sorry?
546
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:32.839
Sorry, but yeah, this is that's the thing, is like
547
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:37.319
removing cards of harvesting and literally harvesting.
548
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:41.359
This like full fucking uh snippet of this person's life
549
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:43.519
that they just kind of sold off not really thinking
550
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:46.480
about it, just for one specific thing that's definitely not
551
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:48.519
on there, right, But but it's so foolish.
552
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:49.960
I love it, and I know what it is that.
553
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:53.680
Just about the technology, right, I mean it's also taken
554
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:55.119
because human level too.
555
00:28:55.920 --> 00:29:00.559
I felt really strongly about having some childhood like home
556
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:04.359
videos somewhere in the film, because that's what most used
557
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:08.119
cameras are, and it's it's a very kind of like
558
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.839
intimate voyeuristic ultimately, but it's a very intimate and kind
559
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:17.319
of like warm experience to turn a camera on and
560
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:21.240
see something that was filmed on it that was very precious,
561
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:23.400
whether or not they still wanted to own the tape
562
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:29.759
that had it on it. You know, I the camera
563
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.240
that we shot the basement kill on where Holly is disemboweled.
564
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.359
The only footage on the tape that was inside of
565
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.880
that camera when I got it was a little a
566
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:44.759
little baby girl on her first Christmas getting rocked back
567
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.400
and forth. And then you know, of course I went
568
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.440
on into this horrible disgusting thing with this camera. But
569
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.720
that to me is like one of the kind of
570
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:57.519
more I don't know, if you'd want to say, like
571
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:01.039
tragic or aggravating or what have you things about Holly
572
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:07.359
is that she is she is disinterested in connecting with
573
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.160
any of the things that she's seeing outside of this
574
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.160
very specific way that she wants to interact. It would
575
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:17.039
be she's kind of blowing past all of the kind
576
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:22.440
of like the kind of beauty, Yeah, in these moments.
577
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:24.440
You know, it would be weird if she was seeking
578
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:27.039
that out directly, but the fact that she doesn't even
579
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.839
really think to acknowledge it or like think about it
580
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.559
for more than a second. As what visually is being shown,
581
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:35.720
it's just like a volley of information, a volley of
582
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:41.200
video files that effectively have nothing for her. Yeah, when
583
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:43.759
these are like these are again snippets of people's lives.
584
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:49.680
These are things that were recorded for a reason, even
585
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:51.400
if they didn't keep the original memory card.
586
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.880
But it's because she she's searching, like she's needlessly searching, right,
587
00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:58.759
And we were talking about this. I feel like I
588
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:01.960
keep saying that we're talking about this for like how
589
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:08.400
how like Hazel's character is searching and May's character is
590
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.319
sort of like already fixed in a place, you know,
591
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:16.759
and somehow those worlds combining is what brings them to
592
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:17.880
where they need to go.
593
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.319
I was really I was really interested in hearing a
594
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.960
little bit more about that interpretation, if you don't mind
595
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:25.480
me picking. I mean, I guess it's a little self
596
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.160
indulgent of me to ask that, but no, yeah, yeah,
597
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:32.720
because to me, they're both sort of equally lost, but
598
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:35.119
they're manifesting it in very different ways.
599
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:37.400
Yeah, what I will say is that I do like
600
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:44.799
Rose as someone who is lost, but still I would
601
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:45.799
say she's stuck.
602
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:50.839
In place, right yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely a thousand percent.
603
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.119
Okay, and I gotta I gotta work on this because
604
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:55.599
I keep referring to your own name.
605
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.799
So the cars, yeah, I think it's just I think. Yeah, okay, So.
606
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.200
They were for each other by discord user names for
607
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:04.680
most or discrazy names all you have for them for
608
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.359
most of the films, like right, your.
609
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:09.119
Name's got dropped a single time.
610
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:12.279
Each Yeah, okay, thank you for forgiving me.
611
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:13.240
You've been absolved.
612
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:17.000
Okay, there's an easy mnemonic device, right, H for Holly,
613
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:18.279
H for Hazel.
614
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:26.559
And then the one that h oh Okay yeah okay.
615
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:32.319
So so Rose is fixed because she's she's nineteen, and
616
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:36.400
so she can really only know what she's experienced so far, right,
617
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.680
you know what I mean? Whereas wow, Yeah, so Hazel
618
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:44.759
is like collecting these cameras full of memories. She's only
619
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:48.839
looking backwards into other people's lives, but she's trying to
620
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:53.920
see something that's outside of her reach, the unseeable, you know,
621
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:58.039
that thing that's going to maybe change you, maybe kill you,
622
00:32:58.079 --> 00:32:59.559
maybe birth you.
623
00:32:59.640 --> 00:32:59.960
Who know.
624
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.160
Oh right, it's like this like I don't know, this
625
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:08.039
is something No, I think that's so great, Yeah.
626
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:13.319
Because I think, like I something that I definitely thought
627
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:17.440
about with Holly was like she well. And I think
628
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:19.480
this kind of extends to the tone of the film
629
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:23.480
as well, is it's impossible to shock anymore. It's impossible
630
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:28.720
for fiction to genuinely shock unless it is like like
631
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:31.960
to somebody who's seen a lot, to somebody who's been
632
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.279
on the internet. Like I think we, you know, even
633
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.160
before the Internet, we've been saying that, you know, the
634
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:37.759
news news, that's.
635
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.519
The real horror story, that's the real horror made. Yeah.
636
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.519
Yeah, and I think in the Internet age, that's that's
637
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:45.839
really true. So I think it would be a little
638
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.519
bit kind of a fool's errand for Man and I
639
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:53.880
to suspect that we had any ideas in our heads
640
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:57.440
that would like actually shock a person, And so in
641
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.759
knowing that, it felt like a lot more natural for
642
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.960
us to play it a little bit as like like
643
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:06.839
to us it was sort of being self aware about
644
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.440
that fact, and then it sort of manifests in the
645
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:11.320
film in kind of a silly way. But what you're
646
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:15.920
saying also, I think is interesting because there is that
647
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.320
kind of like everybody in that server kind of except
648
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:25.159
for for Rose, presumably has seen it all, and I
649
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:28.199
think a lot of them are kind of still holding
650
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.840
onto this, this hope that there's something that they haven't
651
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:32.760
seen that.
652
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:36.320
Will shock, Like what you will make them feel it? Yeah,
653
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.519
like we'll make their like the neurons and their brain
654
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:40.199
like shock for one life.
655
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:43.400
For Holly, instead of that being like I want to
656
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:45.880
see something more fucked up than anything else I've seen,
657
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:49.679
she just wants to experience a connection to fucking something.
658
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:54.440
Yeah, Okay, she wants to experience something one on one,
659
00:34:55.239 --> 00:35:00.079
but goes about it through like the most back ass words.
660
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:03.760
And that kind action is what is like? What what
661
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:04.960
is the unknown?
662
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:05.800
Yeah?
663
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:06.119
To her?
664
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.559
Basically what that feels like, how it manifests?
665
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:10.679
Well, that's there's so much hope in that.
666
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:13.360
Like that's like it's weird because it's like a snuff
667
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:16.239
a film that that's snuff that's like has hope to it,
668
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:18.920
do you know what I mean? So that's I don't
669
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:22.320
but you can't you can't really advertise it, I guess.
670
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.079
Right, May and I are I think pretty able to
671
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:28.480
be like, yeah, we're jokesters at heart, so comedy kind
672
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:30.199
of wound up bleeding its way into the film. But
673
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:37.199
also I think like we're pretty like like sleeve worn, yeah,
674
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:40.559
humanist optimists.
675
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:46.960
I have tried to make art outside of myself, and
676
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.519
for better or for worse, my heart is always on
677
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.360
my sleeve. Yeah, And I think for Divine Hammer it's
678
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:58.719
really for the better. I think our hopes for these
679
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:03.000
characters and these sort of people who can see themselves
680
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:07.119
in them are evident from watching the film. I really
681
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.920
hope the best for the Rose in Hollies and for
682
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.199
literally Rose and yeah.
683
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:17.199
Yeah, yeah, you know, I saw a lot of films
684
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:20.039
popping up, like in terms of like how to compare
685
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:23.880
Divine Hammer. You know, I always get the title of
686
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:27.000
this rom but World Going to the World's Fair came
687
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.559
up a lot, right, Okay, I got it, Okay, But
688
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.559
the one that the film that it made me think
689
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.280
a lot about and this might be kind of a stretch,
690
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.679
but is are you guys familiar with all about Lily
691
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:38.280
Choo Choo?
692
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.119
Yeah? Yeah, that was That's why there's reverb on the
693
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:47.880
typing in Divine Hand. Yeah, because I when I sat
694
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.280
down to finally edit all the way through Divine Hammer.
695
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.400
It was the first time that I was touching any
696
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:56.320
of the stuff that really really involved screen recordings and
697
00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:00.000
computers and you know, fake computers are in well, I'm
698
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:03.119
real computer user interfaces. But like I had to come
699
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:06.360
up with the style of that, like pixelated font with
700
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:08.519
all the lines running through it and stuff like that
701
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:11.280
while I was in the edit. And so that was
702
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.840
the time where I went and sought out a couple
703
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:19.119
of films that I knew utilized like internet chat text
704
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:23.559
in an interesting way. And so that came to mind
705
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.679
for me because I had seen it in twenty twenty four.
706
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:29.280
I hadn't seen it when we had written the film,
707
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:33.119
but by that point I saw it, and so I
708
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:35.639
went back and looked at that, and then I also
709
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.639
went back and looked at the film Horror, which, oh.
710
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:40.440
I don't know that one.
711
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.599
That one is a really really earnest, very sweet little
712
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:53.800
story about early early chat rooms. And the film is
713
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:57.000
I want to say, maybe like forty percent just white
714
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:02.639
text on blue backgrounds, because you're seeing these conversation logs
715
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:06.559
playing out back and forth. So then there were like
716
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.119
a couple of other things here and there. There's this
717
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:13.880
famous YouTube shock video called username six six six. Shock
718
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:15.639
videos may be a little bit of a strong term
719
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:20.320
because it's entirely like created. It's not nobody really shock
720
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:22.880
that there's a demon who pounds.
721
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:23.119
At the computer.
722
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.400
Yeah exactly. Yeah, it's this video called user name six
723
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.320
sixty six that I really love. So a couple of
724
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:35.679
things like that were in my mind on in the
725
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.719
back of my head when it came to start really
726
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:42.920
editing the film. So that's that's I didn't really connect
727
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.559
with Lily Choo Choo emotionally to a very deep degree.
728
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.920
But I do think you're that comparison is is apt
729
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:53.599
in the sense that that's also a film about aimlessness
730
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.000
and malaise kind of in its characters, kind of representing
731
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:01.239
something larger while still being very focused on those careacters. Yeah,
732
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:03.800
if we did our gist right anyway, Yeah, totally.
733
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:06.960
I mean it's it's a harsh coming of age film.
734
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.440
I think like that's that's kind of a type of film.
735
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:11.960
I don't know if you call a genre that I'm
736
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.320
really drawn to, and I feel like Divine Hammer has
737
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:20.119
elements of that to an extent. Yeah, I guess the
738
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:21.639
characters do kind of.
739
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:23.199
Come of age in a way.
740
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.239
Yeah, definitely, yes, I.
741
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:30.679
Think like Holly metaphorically rose maybe literally, like.
742
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:34.440
Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, I really do think so much
743
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:39.199
of this film was was found in what do we have?
744
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:40.719
Who are we? What can we do?
745
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:42.559
Okay?
746
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.760
I like that, And I keep invoking the Duplas Brothers
747
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:51.159
for for myriad reasons. Eyes no no, no, no no no
748
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:54.440
no no no, I was kidding. I was kidding. Yeah,
749
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:59.960
but they the Duplas Brothers called their early films processes
750
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:05.199
of available materials filmmaking, which I really like. So it's
751
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.079
kind of like what do we already have? Who do
752
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.800
we already have? What can we what can we make
753
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:13.960
without needing to like build a set or like retain
754
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:14.760
anything about it.
755
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:18.880
The back half of the film, taking place a lot
756
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:23.360
throughout the various sites of Carlisle, Pennsylvania, the town I
757
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:28.440
lived in, was entirely just available materials because realistic, really,
758
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.039
when I lived in that city, I didn't really go
759
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:34.280
outside much or do much. I didn't really live in
760
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:39.400
that city, so I didn't have many like memories that
761
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:41.159
I was hearkening back to and being like, oh, we
762
00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:43.119
should shoot there or there or there. A lot of
763
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.320
that was just like, Okay, this is here, let's do
764
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.039
this here. And then I ended up making a lot
765
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:51.440
of memories in this space, which is nice because I
766
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:54.480
didn't know I was going to move like a year later.
767
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:59.679
Yeah, total sidebar here. But did you ever go to
768
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:00.840
the Honing Drive in.
769
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:05.719
I don't know. I did, like basically nothing fun when I.
770
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.880
Lived Taco bell A lot.
771
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:09.639
Yeah.
772
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.199
No, I've only been to Pennsylvania once and it was
773
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.400
to go to that drive and it's it's like a
774
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:17.920
kind of a legendary drive and they do like work
775
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:19.360
conventions there and stuff like that.
776
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:21.639
I want to see what side of the state it
777
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:25.440
was on. Oh, I was such a dumb ass. I
778
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:26.920
totally could have gone here.
779
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.280
How close is it?
780
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.599
It was like a thirty minute drive. I go.
781
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:39.840
My friends and I drove from Toronto, which took his
782
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:42.119
six hours.
783
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.599
I think, Oh, I feel like such a jackass.
784
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:49.880
No, that's okay.
785
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:54.559
You know, you had an opportunity of not seeing something
786
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:56.599
it was adamazing on.
787
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:59.920
The benefit of there being an independent theater in your hometown.
788
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:05.440
Yeah, you know, without soon hopefully hopefully. I mean we've
789
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:09.039
had contact with them. You know, there was a a ay,
790
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:15.840
part distillery, part restaurant, part uh cinema in my hometown
791
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:20.159
there is as a chropolist. They're very sweet. Without having
792
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:24.719
an indie screen in my general vicinity growing up, I
793
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:27.199
would think a lot less about films than I do now.
794
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.039
It wasn't it wasn't thirty five millimeter. It was an
795
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:35.280
Amazon Prime stream. But I did watch House there for
796
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:39.760
the first time. I will never forget that experience, which
797
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:45.920
really really house the Japanese House oh okay, and really
798
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.079
really really cherish a lot of the memories I made there.
799
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:49.679
You know.
800
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:54.280
May It just occurred to me, obviously this is this
801
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:59.320
is shop talk, but there there's a theater in my
802
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:05.039
hometown at Alma, California that is technically like locally owned.
803
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.280
It's called like the Boulevard Theater, but I think all
804
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:09.679
of their programming is done through like one of those
805
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:16.519
like regal style like yeah situations. But it occurred to
806
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:20.079
me that the venue that that all my old high
807
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:24.119
school bands played shows at but didn't make any money,
808
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:28.920
was at the Phoenix Theater, which is a music venue.
809
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:33.079
But they probably would be willing to project a film wow,
810
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:37.719
I mean write, because they did weird shit like, uh,
811
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:40.199
one of the bands I was in when I was
812
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.400
not in the band, they played a show where they
813
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:49.800
soundtracked a skate competition. Yeah, because, like, the really beautiful
814
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:51.599
thing about that theater this is so off topic. The
815
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:55.159
really beautiful thing about that venue is that the guy
816
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:56.840
who ran the place just kind of let it be
817
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.639
like a youth center basically, Oh yeah, yule teens would
818
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.880
go there and skate and play arcade games.
819
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:05.199
Yeah, I played.
820
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.280
Uh, there's a place like that in the town I
821
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.559
grew up in as well that was just like a
822
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:14.239
skate park, arcade blaze for total like a game center
823
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.840
for kids and stuff. And then they would do this
824
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:20.000
was the only place that actually did pay the bands though.
825
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.639
They'd have a budget and they would actually be like,
826
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:24.880
oh my god, we're getting money for playing a show.
827
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:27.000
This is so weird. Yeah.
828
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:27.239
Yeah.
829
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:31.559
The owner of the Phoenix Theater basically was like, the
830
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.320
show's probably not going to make money, but that's okay.
831
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.599
I like what you guys are doing, you know. Yeah,
832
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:41.199
I think we showed up with like eclectic instruments. You know,
833
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:43.079
you show up with a singing song, you're gonna make
834
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:43.719
an impression.
835
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:48.440
Oh okay, Yeah, huh, Okay, what kind of music were
836
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:48.920
you playing?
837
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:51.159
Well, it was a couple of different bands. It was
838
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.519
one of those like local scene things where we were
839
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.559
like five musicians who were basically in four bands that
840
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.360
were a mixture of the same five people. Yeah, like
841
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:05.039
different configurations. Oh so you know, some of them were
842
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:10.960
a little bit more straightforward rock music than others. Some
843
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:12.000
of it was a little.
844
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:14.840
Depending on the personnel shuffle.
845
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:15.559
Of the day exactly.
846
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:16.039
Yeah.
847
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:18.320
Yeah, well, I mean that all the projects had different names,
848
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:20.840
so like they were distinguished that way. Basically, it was
849
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.719
like everybody had their own solo projects. Yeah, we were
850
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:26.119
trading back and forth.
851
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:30.119
So yeah, well, if I'm not mistaken, may you're saying
852
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:33.440
earlier that you do music. You both do music, and
853
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:37.119
this is connecting back to I think I did.
854
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:41.679
Music for the film. I have done music a little bit.
855
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:44.079
It's still it still counts for for where I'm going
856
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:46.840
with this. Okay, but yeah, I know, Hazily you're talking
857
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:49.199
about the Duplas brothers and how it was all about
858
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:55.679
whatever you have, whatever you have to work with, right, Yeah,
859
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.400
I kind of feel like your filmmaking methods reminds me
860
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.760
more of you in a way. Of just like like
861
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:05.559
you just have the instruments that you play and then
862
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:08.519
you just you know, you kind of come up with
863
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:10.559
the music with that, do you know what I mean?
864
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:14.039
Especially interest of like how it was edited, which kind
865
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.679
of just like you, you kind of like kept pushing
866
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:19.280
it as far as it needed to go, as opposed
867
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.079
to just I conceive of this film one hundred percent.
868
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:26.079
I produced this film one that's done. You're like adding
869
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:27.480
the flourishes as you go.
870
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:28.280
You know what I mean?
871
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:31.480
That is that that's really really interesting, and I think
872
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:39.280
really apps because the very first video editing projects that
873
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:42.280
I did that weren't just like you know, making let's
874
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:48.239
plays for YouTube, was like making making am vs. Really
875
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:51.480
I got my start. It's an animal anime YouTube or
876
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:55.159
anime music video. It's just like, okay, you take an
877
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:56.840
anime that you like, and you take a song that
878
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:59.119
you like, and you cut clips from that anime up
879
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:02.519
to the I started pumping my fist when you brought
880
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:04.559
up music and the Duplace Brothers in the same sense,
881
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:10.400
Mark Uplas's old band Volano, I'm still excited.
882
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:13.159
Volcano. I'm still excited.
883
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.800
Ye had a band in like two thousand and five.
884
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:20.480
It died in like two years, and I don't think
885
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:21.880
he likes talking about.
886
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:25.079
No, it seems like it really doesn't. But it's really good.
887
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:29.719
Yeah, it is dear to me a volcano. I'm still excited.
888
00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:31.719
What is that record called? Is it just called Volcano?
889
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:32.920
I'm still excited, I think so.
890
00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:35.440
Yeah, Like what kind of music is it?
891
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.119
Because it's like it's like it's very like turn of
892
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:42.039
the millennium indie rock. Yeah, Mark plays like a synthesizer
893
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.639
and then there's like a guitarist and a bassis and
894
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:47.719
a drummer. It's like a very very classic setup. But
895
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.199
the songs are very fun. Okay, it's marketuplaus singing, so okay,
896
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:53.599
it gets points for that alone.
897
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:56.039
Any band that you could compare it to.
898
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:04.280
Other than other mumblecore guys who had bands, I.
899
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.159
Don't something in the water.
900
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:13.199
Yeah wow, But but anyway, I know, yeah, that's that's
901
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:16.920
very interesting to me. I once had somebody describe my
902
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:22.119
composition style as ornamental, okay, and I kind of took
903
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.079
offense to that because I knew that was his way
904
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.159
of saying a lot of your flourishes are very superfluous
905
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:29.639
and are kind of hiding that the core of these
906
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.559
songs aren't very strong, so be it it wasn't wrong.
907
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:38.760
Well, I would say the flourishes themselves have like a
908
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:39.639
human quality.
909
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.000
I think I've I've definitely gotten better at it, and
910
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:44.840
I think that I've honed those things.
911
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:48.400
Yeah, I think it definitely applies to how you edit
912
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:49.880
this film.
913
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:50.840
Definitely. Yeah.
914
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:55.360
I like the main point I had thought about your
915
00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:59.719
your method when it comes to creating music and your
916
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:03.840
method you editing this film. I first started having thoughts
917
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:06.960
like this was when I was just like, would take
918
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:11.599
account of how agitated you were? Ya the Ajuta building up? Yeah,
919
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:14.480
because it's quite similar. But I never really put it
920
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:18.800
further than that. But that's a really I see.
921
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.280
Have you seen me get agita while I've been composing music.
922
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.159
I have heard you talking about composing music.
923
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.960
Yeah, I get it. I experience like like deep like
924
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:33.480
torture in my soul when I can't figure out how
925
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:38.239
to write a song, right, Okay, it feels like, yeah,
926
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:41.599
I guess on some level, like it's like I'm like
927
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:44.239
unable to like fully get the thought out of my
928
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:48.559
head or something. But yeah, I think maybe what I
929
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:52.199
would say is it's interesting because the material that I've
930
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.239
been writing for a record that is as of yet unreleased,
931
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:58.079
is actually like quite stripped back compared to stuff that
932
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:01.119
I've done before, mostly because by the time I finished
933
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:04.519
that last record, I was like, I can't write songs
934
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:08.480
that are as like dense and like kind of over
935
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:12.199
the top as these ones are, so I started really
936
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:14.400
stripping it back. But I think what I found was
937
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:17.199
that that kind of ornamental approach that I was going
938
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.320
into those older songs with, where I thought that those
939
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:24.559
ornamental elements were the glue that stitched these different segments
940
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:27.000
of this song together. I think that's a little bit
941
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:30.639
more true in the case of making Divine Hammer than
942
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.960
it ever was for the songs that I was writing, Yeah,
943
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:38.920
because there were just a lot of places where it
944
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:42.039
felt like doing something with the editing could kind of
945
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:43.239
patch stuff together.
946
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.719
I think stripping back a layer of paint from Divine
947
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:51.960
Hammer doesn't just make its holes more obvious, but I
948
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:56.679
think does strip a layer of human touch that we
949
00:50:56.679 --> 00:51:01.159
were trying to add when we were shooting and not
950
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:05.679
necessarily couldn't but just like didn't have the means to
951
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.199
do properly.
952
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.480
Right because we wanted the second half of the film
953
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:15.239
to be like mumblecore dry, like bone dry, but you
954
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:23.880
need to be like really good at like acting, framing
955
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:27.119
a shot, well, having your lines memorized.
956
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.599
It's having your lines on rise and acted. But it's
957
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:34.400
like protracted acting. You have to know how to hold
958
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:39.360
a silence and bullshit a little, which I think was
959
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:41.440
something that we struggle with Divine Hammer because we kind
960
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:42.760
of had the death drive of we need to get
961
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:43.840
the shot, we need to get the shot, we need
962
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:49.119
to get this shot. But also we had so much
963
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:53.079
of the we had the film scripted, and any deviation
964
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:55.920
felt like as the people who wrote it. At least
965
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:57.880
for me, it felt like, Okay, well I wrote it
966
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.159
right the first time. I shouldn't deviate at all. You
967
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:03.360
should just stick with what we have. Yeah, don't bullshit.
968
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:05.239
But doing that and not ad living a little bit
969
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.599
is a lot harder said than done when you literally
970
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.800
don't have the fucking time to memorize the script. Yeah, right,
971
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.280
that makes sense, And I think like it's it's you know,
972
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:18.440
people have made films that they've shot themselves and acted
973
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:21.239
in where this has not been a problem, but an
974
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:25.159
area of weakness that I found over the process of
975
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:27.599
making the film was that it is really hard for
976
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:29.920
me to be aware of the fact that I'm manning
977
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:31.880
a camera but I'm in front of it, like I
978
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:34.519
can't let that go. There's always a part of me
979
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:36.840
that's like aware of the camera and like worrying that
980
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:38.440
it's randomly stopped winning.
981
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:42.960
And so much of that is because MiniDV, specifically with
982
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:44.840
this film is a hell hell to work.
983
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:47.159
It's a fickle format. It's a fickle format.
984
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:51.679
We we lost an entire day of shooting the first
985
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:56.920
day because our tapes weren't recording because they were Japanese
986
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.039
tapes and apparently they don't work with America.
987
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:03.480
Even though and America still use the same NTSC video standard,
988
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:05.320
there was like a region lock on it.
989
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:09.159
Yeah, so we had to drive four hours to get
990
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:12.960
tapes from the one camera shop in Pennsylvania.
991
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:14.039
That didn't laugh at us when we asked if they
992
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:14.679
had MiniDV.
993
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:19.639
Yeah, people who laughed at us. I get it to
994
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:22.559
New York Camera and Video in Southampton, PA. Thank you
995
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:24.159
for making Divine Hammer happen.
996
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:25.239
Yeah, yeah, we did.
997
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.840
Otherwise, did you shoot any of that on another camera?
998
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.320
And did any of that go into the edit of
999
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:31.760
the film?
1000
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:34.480
So what we did the next day or two of
1001
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:37.559
shooting just to be sure. Was we were running a
1002
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:41.880
second camera the room style where there was just another
1003
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:47.199
shittier handicam sat basically side by side, getting the same
1004
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:50.920
shot just in case. And what wound up happening was
1005
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.320
a lot of the camera audio from those wound up
1006
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:56.159
being the audio that made it into the film, because
1007
00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:59.360
the microphones on there are kind of surprisingly like clear
1008
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.519
and clean and also by our all the same as
1009
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:04.440
the microphone we were shooting the film on, so there's
1010
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:06.920
a stereo spread to pretty much all of the audio
1011
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:11.960
in it. But eventually, as we kept shooting, we started
1012
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:17.119
realizing we should just have two different camera angles so
1013
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:19.480
that we could kind of shoot between them. Yeah, And
1014
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:21.519
instead of doing that the entire rest of the time
1015
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:24.639
we were shooting the film, we stopped doing that. And
1016
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:26.719
it wasn't until we were working on our next big
1017
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:29.679
film project that we realized that running multiicam is like
1018
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.280
our favorite thing in the world, and it's so nice,
1019
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:33.639
so nice.
1020
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:38.119
Sorry I heard next big film project.
1021
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:41.679
Yes, yeah, that was something that we put out before
1022
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:43.159
we finished our first one.
1023
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:48.679
Yeah, so before Divine Hammer released. While we were working
1024
00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:52.360
on Divine Hammer, we watched a lot of films none
1025
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:56.840
a lot that were like very in the same mood
1026
00:54:56.960 --> 00:55:00.119
as Divine Hammer. We watched I watched The Burning the
1027
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.559
first time, had a great time before you got on. Yeah,
1028
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:09.079
we watched hump Day, which has changed my brain irreparably.
1029
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:09.760
Uh.
1030
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:14.519
And in that time we decided because YouTuber movies, we
1031
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:18.519
watched the first No Solidia Critic Channel awesome films. We
1032
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:20.599
watched all three of them, and then it became a
1033
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:23.559
yearly thing where we did that each year and last year.
1034
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:30.519
Those are like three over long, hubris driven like ensemble
1035
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.360
pieces of like fifty YouTubers, none of which you really
1036
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:34.920
want to.
1037
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:38.480
Be there, okay, And so like most of the filmmaking
1038
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:43.039
is shot shot yeah, of like either one person's face
1039
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.559
and then the other person's face, or like one person's
1040
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:47.760
face with the other person's like shoulder in the back
1041
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:50.400
of their head slightly visible. Yeah, And we were like,
1042
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:54.199
oh my god, these films are shot like so plainly
1043
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:57.760
that like we could insert ourselves into it and nobody
1044
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:02.920
would even notice. Yeah, wait a minute, and.
1045
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:05.119
Then it's like four months of our life later we
1046
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.480
had it was like two and a half or three months.
1047
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:08.920
I think it was like three months.
1048
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:10.280
I feel like.
1049
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:15.079
You're thinking about it for four We disappeared basically lived
1050
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:18.159
out of our friend's place for like two months minimum
1051
00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:20.199
at least, and then came out with a ten hour
1052
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:23.039
long video project that we streamed to twitch dot tv.
1053
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:27.039
Oh yeah, I think I think it was like three hours,
1054
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:31.400
four hours of new footage. It is. It used to
1055
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:34.199
be on Letterbox. It isn't anymore because they have rules
1056
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:35.679
against films.
1057
00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:39.679
It's possibly been three hours of new footage.
1058
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:43.920
I think it was, oh my god, comprised of archive footage,
1059
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:46.199
which I mean, we had three hours of new footage.
1060
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:49.079
I think we should have should have snuck by that
1061
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:53.960
if if it lets us beat the sophomore slump that
1062
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:54.840
was our second film.
1063
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:59.039
Yeah, that's how we've been conceptualizing it, like, yeah, it
1064
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:01.800
was a dumb, bullshit meme project we did, but also
1065
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:05.719
we're like about I'm about as proud of it as
1066
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:09.960
I am Divine Hammer. Yeah, okay, So how do you
1067
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:12.079
see this on YouTube?
1068
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:14.199
Is on our YouTube channels.
1069
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:19.639
You can either watch it commentary the way that we're
1070
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:24.159
saying the same thing but at different times. I'm sorry, sorry.
1071
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:26.360
Yeah you got you got roboted. Maybe I got roboted.
1072
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:31.639
I think I got roboted. But yeah, it's it's on
1073
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:34.880
It's on my one of my YouTube channels, and it's
1074
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:37.639
on one of May's YouTube channels. You can either watch
1075
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.159
it with the commentary that it was premiered with that
1076
00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:43.199
we did live while we were streaming it, or you
1077
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:46.360
can watch it completely clean and torture yourself without anything
1078
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:49.679
much as where there's no us.
1079
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:54.920
Yeah, and it's just those films which we love. Most
1080
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:55.719
people do not.
1081
00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:02.000
So okay, so you inserted yourselves into an existing film.
1082
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:05.519
If we if we make this our second film, we're
1083
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:07.480
gonna have to get really good at explaining it.
1084
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:09.599
Yeah, I'm a little lost.
1085
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:14.480
Yeah, it's I need to I was talking to our
1086
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:17.280
distributor about this. I really need to cut together like
1087
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:20.480
a fifteen minute long, like example.
1088
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:21.400
Of what the fuck is?
1089
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:24.320
Yeah, because I feel like that's a lot easier than trying
1090
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:27.159
to explain it. Let us know what those movies are
1091
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:30.880
and all of this other context.
1092
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:33.039
Let me try and craft a boilerplate paragraph.
1093
00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:37.480
Yes, okay, they are.
1094
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:41.239
It is a trilogy of films made by YouTubers in
1095
00:58:41.280 --> 00:58:44.639
the twenty tens that we then went in because of
1096
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:48.039
their prevalence of shot reverse shots and inserted ourselves into
1097
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:53.400
both just like literally and narratively and completely retool the
1098
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:56.239
edited those films this one big ten hour project.
1099
00:58:56.440 --> 00:58:59.559
Yeah. So there are certain scenes where we, the real
1100
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:03.800
human beings May and Hazel, are subbing in for the actors,
1101
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:06.199
like we reshot a couple scenes verbatim.
1102
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:08.079
Okay, but the.
1103
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:12.199
Majority of the time we're on screen, it's we're playing
1104
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:15.480
like our like twenty ten's versions of ourselves.
1105
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:17.239
We're playing new characters.
1106
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:21.639
Yeah, as though we were in those films originally, and
1107
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:27.920
kind of like three three part story and it's sort
1108
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:32.400
of three acts a story plays out just about May
1109
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:38.480
and I ourselves and how we're the guy who ran
1110
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:40.519
the sites like mpreg baby.
1111
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:42.519
Yeah, his secret child.
1112
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:45.559
Yeah, child that he popped out of his womb for.
1113
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:51.000
At the same time, he is like, no, this is
1114
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:53.960
a real thing that we made. We were no trust me,
1115
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:55.760
We were trolling everybody else.
1116
00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:59.280
Okay, yeah, I think the person who got the last
1117
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:00.519
last was not us.
1118
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:04.639
Okay, I need to see this.
1119
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:08.960
But you brought up something that I wanted to ask
1120
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:12.519
you about because you said the distributor, which is muscle,
1121
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:16.239
Yeah right, Okay, how did that come about?
1122
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:19.119
Getting hooked up with Muscle and Liz and everything.
1123
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:22.159
We got an email. We got really lucky, so we
1124
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:24.599
somehow neither of us had ever heard of her.
1125
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:25.320
Yeah.
1126
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:28.960
Oh and now every I'm realizing, like everybody I talked
1127
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:32.360
to who is a cinophile or is involved in making
1128
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:34.800
film has like known about her for ages.
1129
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:40.119
Yeah yeah, no, like literally everyone loves Liz Purchell, which
1130
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:45.159
has been nice to learn about in real time. Yeah,
1131
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:50.039
the true Like I think the whole reason effectively that
1132
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.960
we weren't just stumbling in the dark. As our friend
1133
01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:59.599
Toby Jones made a film in twenty twenty four. I
1134
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:03.119
think one yep was for j Goes to the Dog
1135
01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:06.000
Park and he announced the film around the same time
1136
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:08.760
we announced Divine Hammer, so he's kind of just been.
1137
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:11.840
Well, no, he announced it while we were shooting Divine Hammer.
1138
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:15.199
Yes, and we announced it like we announced Divine Hammer preemptively,
1139
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.719
like a week later, are we technically?
1140
01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:23.119
I guess, like we posted the photo of us in
1141
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:25.480
blood at the end of that shoot, but we didn't
1142
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:28.360
say we are making a movie until that December, yesh.
1143
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:31.960
But we we had kids around the same time, you know,
1144
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:36.400
they went to the same nursery and he was kind
1145
01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:40.519
of our number one confidant for basically everything. When it
1146
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:42.320
came to okay, we made a film, what the fuck
1147
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:45.559
do we do with it? And he gave a list
1148
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:48.639
of distributors of like people. He's like, yeah, I hear peel,
1149
01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:51.039
I liked films from here, people that I've heard good
1150
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:54.239
things about. And he was like, oh, before I forget one.
1151
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:58.320
Liz Purchell a muscle. I saw a screening from her
1152
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:00.559
a while ago. It was incredible the Q and I
1153
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:03.280
was incredible. She has really great work. Keep an eye
1154
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:07.239
out on her if she contacts respond And then she
1155
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:11.880
contacted us like a week later. Hell yeah, because apparently
1156
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:14.719
she had heard about the film from someone who had
1157
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:16.760
heard about that project. We were just talking about the
1158
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:20.599
awesome stream a word of mouth got around, which is terrifying.
1159
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:22.639
I hate being on the other end of word of mouth.
1160
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:27.760
It's awesome, but it's so scary. And we started talking
1161
01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:28.760
with her, and.
1162
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:35.159
My understanding is that programmers, like like theater and festival
1163
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:42.480
programmers have like some kind of incredible like inner network
1164
01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:45.920
or something that allows all of them to just immediately
1165
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:48.199
become aware of the same films at the same time.
1166
01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:50.559
Yeah, I have no clue like they just.
1167
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:52.639
Must really be talking to one another.
1168
01:02:53.440 --> 01:03:00.000
We had one screening when Liz contacted us, which felt terrified.
1169
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:02.920
But yeah, I mean she sent out a screener or
1170
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:03.960
something or is.
1171
01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:06.840
That we did emailed, but she emailed us first.
1172
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:10.519
Yeah, because I mean, it's just a matter of.
1173
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:12.440
It being seen by the right person.
1174
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:17.559
And then definitely, and I'm so so grateful to Liz.
1175
01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:22.800
She's really doing so much for us. When we were
1176
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:27.360
kind of deliberating over whether or not we were interested
1177
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:29.840
in trying for a while to do all of this
1178
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:33.440
entirely ourselves, eventually we came to the conclusion that we'll
1179
01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:36.280
probably get to shoot another movie together this year if
1180
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:41.159
our distributor is helping with the film and we don't.
1181
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:44.320
She's just so she's so amazing. She's kind of like
1182
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:48.840
doubling as our like our like like publicist, and like,
1183
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:52.519
you know, she's wearing a lot of hats for us
1184
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:52.880
right there.
1185
01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:58.320
That I thought, Okay, cool, I can do this, and
1186
01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:01.480
I would have been able to do it. I just
1187
01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:02.840
don't know if I would have been able to do it.
1188
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:05.880
Well, you certainly wouldn't have been able to say, hey,
1189
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.840
other programmer, I've known you for years yeah.
1190
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:11.440
Yeah.
1191
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:14.400
Are you familiar at all with like the other films
1192
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:15.280
that she distributes?
1193
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:16.239
Have you seen any of them?
1194
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:19.880
I mean like the older stuff only like I've seen
1195
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:23.280
some Doris Wish in the movies, okay, And he's like.
1196
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:28.159
Yeah, I'm wearing one of his films.
1197
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:29.320
Oh nice? Which one?
1198
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:31.960
Yeah, distorted Sense of Touch nice.
1199
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:34.320
I can't remember if I've seen that one or what
1200
01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:37.519
the I see that It says uh lolita in Japanese,
1201
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:41.199
so presumably that might be his film A Vibrator Torture.
1202
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:44.800
Oh no, no, no, sorry, okay, yeah, because I know, like
1203
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:48.519
there's two names for like all of his fucking movies,
1204
01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:51.679
because he picked one that is like artsy sounding, and
1205
01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:54.280
then the distributor picked like come from the one that
1206
01:04:55.599 --> 01:05:02.679
exactly yeah, exactly, yeah, no, I adore that guy's movies.
1207
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:08.119
Yeah that, And I was like holy shit, like yeah.
1208
01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:10.679
That's how I found out about her. It's like basically
1209
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:14.360
and through like film programmers. I had my friend weird
1210
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:17.440
Alice on the show last year, and she's like a
1211
01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:20.840
drag queen film programmer in Toronto, and she kind of
1212
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:25.079
told me about Muscle distribution and everything. So I'm hoping
1213
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:26.880
to get Liz on the show at some point, I'd
1214
01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:27.880
love to pick her brain.
1215
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.039
Well, we'll have nothing but good things to say.
1216
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:35.360
This has been great. I've loved this, you know, with muscle.
1217
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:39.840
Part of not knowing what it was was like, oh fuck,
1218
01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:41.599
there's so many films that I would like that I
1219
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:45.760
haven't seen yet. So I have I have the spreadsheet
1220
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:48.519
she has with all the screeners bookmarked. And the second
1221
01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:52.639
I find time to watch a movie, well, first I'm
1222
01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:54.159
going to look at my Blu Ray shelf and feel
1223
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:57.000
guilty that I haven't watched those. And then I'll look
1224
01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:59.159
at the spreadsheet and I feel guilty I haven't watched those.
1225
01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:01.480
Yeah, well that brings me to add And then you'll
1226
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:05.400
watch the Son of the Mask or some ship yeah yeah,
1227
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:07.599
or fucking Crank for the fifth time yep.
1228
01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:08.199
Oh wow.
1229
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:12.000
Is there like any news of like a Blu Ray
1230
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:14.280
or anything coming down the pipeline?
1231
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:21.239
Kind of No, nothing like that. Still really still like, yeah,
1232
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:23.320
it would be cool to do this, but I think
1233
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:25.719
we're trying to kind of ride out the physical end
1234
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:29.320
of it as far as we can, or the theatrical
1235
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:32.159
end of sorry, that's what I mean. Like, but physically
1236
01:06:32.199 --> 01:06:35.800
being in a location and watching the film. Yes, theatric Yeah, yeah.
1237
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:36.880
There are sure.
1238
01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:40.719
Yeah, there is going to be a like I will
1239
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:44.440
commit to this because even if like Muscle explodes tomorrow
1240
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:46.519
and I have to like carve DVDs out of stone,
1241
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:50.920
I will want DVDs for this film. I will want the.
1242
01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:52.880
People need to be able to play it off their PlayStation.
1243
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:58.519
Two's yeah, there will be physical releases for this film,
1244
01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:04.679
uh or else something is con terribly wrong. Yeah, I
1245
01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:08.840
don't know when. The hope is always sooner rather than later, but.
1246
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:10.760
I wouldn't really need it to be sometime this year,
1247
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.000
probably right at the dead end of the year, but
1248
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:13.480
who knows.
1249
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:21.599
Yeah, well, I mean Muscle did just put out Castration movie, well,
1250
01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:23.599
so that could be a possibility.
1251
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:26.159
I think she said it sold out in like forty minutes.
1252
01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:28.920
Yeah like that.
1253
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:33.119
Yeah, yeah, cover But then, you know, I don't understand.
1254
01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:35.679
Bruce Longo has been really helpful and he has a
1255
01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:39.920
Blu Ray label, so I feel like either of those avenues.
1256
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.000
You know, there there will be a physical release of
1257
01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:42.440
this film.
1258
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:43.280
Bruce was.
1259
01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:49.440
So goddamn sweet, that's yeah.
1260
01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:48.719
Yeah.
1261
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:54.280
At Blood Sick was genuinely so magical, Like I got
1262
01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:58.599
to go and see my movie with my mother and
1263
01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:02.320
my brother and aunt and my aunt and a family
1264
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:06.440
friend and like for YouTubers I like, and not me
1265
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:11.400
and not not Hazel because you canna fly. But it
1266
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:12.360
was pretty cool.
1267
01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:17.079
Yeah, incredible on a registry. I'm not allowed to fly
1268
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:19.119
like a like a like a criminal registry, not the
1269
01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:23.479
other kind of registry. To be clear, I use the
1270
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:24.880
worst possible word there.
1271
01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:29.920
No, for you have bedtime. That's so much worse than bedtime.
1272
01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:32.359
Yeah, I'm in a zone, is what I was trying
1273
01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:36.000
to say. What I said registry. I'm sorry I said
1274
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:39.119
registry and then I was like the people associated only
1275
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:42.279
associate that with sex offender registry. Yeah, no, I'm not
1276
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:42.880
a registered.
1277
01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:46.159
Speak for Hazel. It's she has a bedtime and if
1278
01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:48.119
she travels a lot, she'll go insane.
1279
01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:50.720
I don't have I also don't have the right kind
1280
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:54.039
of idea to fly right now, So that's kind of idea.
1281
01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:56.000
I got a fake idea.
1282
01:08:56.760 --> 01:09:03.920
Okay, whatever whatever words. We are approaching an hour.
1283
01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:05.760
Yeah, I was gonna say so.
1284
01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:10.199
Yeah, I mean, I obviously could just keep on chat
1285
01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:13.520
with you too. This has been great, but if you're cool,
1286
01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:16.600
we could wrap it up with the questionnaire. And I
1287
01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:19.760
mean just before we wrapped, because like I feel like
1288
01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:22.399
I maybe mis heard this a few times, but you
1289
01:09:22.439 --> 01:09:25.319
do have another film that you're gonna be working on,
1290
01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:25.920
Is that right?
1291
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:29.239
Yes, Yeah, okay, it is like the thing that I'm
1292
01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:31.119
the most excited about working on.
1293
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:32.119
Amazing.
1294
01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:33.880
I saw some of the messages that you sent about
1295
01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:36.560
that earlier, and I think I can I can phrase
1296
01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:40.560
it as like these characters feel like people I've like
1297
01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:42.920
hung out with and passing and really want to get
1298
01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:43.520
to know better.
1299
01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:43.960
You know.
1300
01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:47.079
I feel the sort of like allure that I like
1301
01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:49.520
really want to kind of interrogate it further, but like
1302
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:52.199
I haven't had the fucking opportunity yet because we haven't
1303
01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:53.439
got to work on this film.
1304
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:57.000
It is a film that we started conceptualizing while working
1305
01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:58.119
on Devine Hammer.
1306
01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:00.800
Well, it was while we were waiting for our taco
1307
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:03.239
bell order inside of a Taco bell while we were
1308
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:04.479
shooting Divine Hammer.
1309
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:11.079
Yeah, but yeah, like I we literally snuck out to
1310
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:12.680
the car and just started talking about it in.
1311
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:15.239
The battle I like, I like grabbed my phone and
1312
01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:18.239
we snuck out to the back of maze car so
1313
01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:20.359
that we could just record the rest of the conversation
1314
01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:22.680
to have all those ideas down. I'm gonna have to
1315
01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:23.199
dig through.
1316
01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:26.000
My old phone and find that is it gonna be
1317
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:30.479
blending like horror or kind of extreme content with comedy.
1318
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:33.720
Again, it's leaning much more towards the kind of internety
1319
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:37.720
stuff that Divine Hammer has. If we play our cards right,
1320
01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:41.680
hopefully it will be much more horrifying than Divine Hammer,
1321
01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:45.119
but more kind of an existential interpersonal sense love it.
1322
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:45.760
Okay.
1323
01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:50.359
Yeah, If one of the theses that people want to
1324
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:53.880
take away from Divine Hammer is you can just do this,
1325
01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:57.119
I'm hoping that our next film one of the things
1326
01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:03.680
you can take away from it is but maybe you shouldn't. I.
1327
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:06.600
I I truly like the things that I want to
1328
01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:10.800
tap into with that second film that I hope we
1329
01:11:11.359 --> 01:11:16.439
succeed in scare me so much more than any of
1330
01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:20.600
the stuff in Divine Hammer. Maybe it's just like the
1331
01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:24.359
part of me that like crunches up when I see
1332
01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:30.079
something truly like uncomfortable. But Okay, there's a lot of hopes,
1333
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.760
a lot of hopes, and I need to quit my
1334
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:34.640
job so we can start working about films.
1335
01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:35.680
That's right, that's right.
1336
01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:36.640
Wow.
1337
01:11:37.399 --> 01:11:40.399
I work with children in my day to day I've had.
1338
01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:43.720
I've told kids parents like, yeah, I'm getting to tour
1339
01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:46.039
my film. It's a horror film. No, I can't tell
1340
01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:50.520
you anything more about it. Yeah, or also lose my
1341
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:51.520
job a little bit early.
1342
01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:53.920
I'm so good at just not bringing it up.
1343
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:57.439
No, dude, No, but I love being like the like
1344
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:00.039
the like the little mysterious figure because.
1345
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:02.960
Right right, yeah, oh you you were building the same
1346
01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:07.399
Well imagine imagine when you do quit and those children
1347
01:12:07.439 --> 01:12:09.840
are like, where's may I guess I gotta wait until
1348
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:11.920
I'm grown up and remember that she made a movie.
1349
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:14.920
Yeah, and one parent will now, oh, I guess she
1350
01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:17.439
made a movie. Maybe it's that or most of them
1351
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:19.279
we'll thank gosh. She probably got sacks for being shit
1352
01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:19.840
at her job.
1353
01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:25.119
But the funny thing about Divine Hammer, and I was
1354
01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:26.920
just thinking about this earlier in May, when you're saying
1355
01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:29.079
how you got to see with your family, is that
1356
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:34.439
even though it kind of starts abrasive, it starts disturbing,
1357
01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:37.439
but as I was saying earlier, like it ends on
1358
01:12:37.479 --> 01:12:39.359
such a hopeful note that I feel like your family
1359
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:41.760
would be like actually really like that.
1360
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:44.680
Yeah, no, no, my like my like sweet little like
1361
01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:48.680
sixty five year old aunt loved it, which that's awesome.
1362
01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:51.439
Felt really they all all of my family liked it,
1363
01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:53.000
which was surprising to me.
1364
01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:56.960
Well, my family has not seen it yet, and I
1365
01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:59.119
think if we did play at my hometown, they probably
1366
01:12:59.159 --> 01:12:59.680
wouldn't go.
1367
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:00.880
Oh.
1368
01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:04.119
To be clear, is like I I kind of prefer it.
1369
01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:06.800
I love my family. I've got a great relationship with them.
1370
01:13:07.119 --> 01:13:10.800
I don't know if they need to see that, I
1371
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:11.119
don't know.
1372
01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:12.720
I think they'd be proud of you. It is an
1373
01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:14.079
impressive film.
1374
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:17.079
Yeah, I think they're they're proud to hear what's going
1375
01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:18.920
on with it. My mom is stoked to see a
1376
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:20.640
photo of a completely packed theater.
1377
01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:26.439
I th hell, yeah, Well when when you do the
1378
01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:29.640
second film, maybe you'll get to show them that. Yeah,
1379
01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:31.319
and then they'll be like, we need to see the
1380
01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:32.279
first one, you know.
1381
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:34.079
And that one.
1382
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:35.800
I'll want them to see it even less.
1383
01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:40.760
Fair enough, but it makes you want to see it more. Right.
1384
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:42.199
I'm excited. I'm glad.
1385
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:46.319
I'm really excited about it. It kills me that we're
1386
01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:48.159
not working on it already.
1387
01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:51.880
Yeah, No, Like there's there's other than my job. There
1388
01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:54.920
is one other factor that prevents it being worked on,
1389
01:13:55.439 --> 01:13:57.640
as like the only thing we do other than breathe
1390
01:13:57.680 --> 01:13:59.039
and sleep and eat food.
1391
01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:01.800
Yeah, because the fact that the third person we're making
1392
01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:04.319
the film with doesn't live here yet, but he needs to.
1393
01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:10.359
God damn it, I will say, is other stuff that
1394
01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:15.520
we're doing that might materialize a little bit sooner. I
1395
01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:18.840
so that that second film of ours we're going to
1396
01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:23.840
be doing with Dem Demnz's Gate dem or dear or
1397
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:29.439
dear friend and brother dem and uh he is currently
1398
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:34.039
based out of the Bay Area and we are in Seattle, Washington, Okay,
1399
01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:36.600
So either he's going to need to take like a
1400
01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:40.840
month out of his life to uh be up there
1401
01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:42.359
while we shoot.
1402
01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:44.880
Or he needs to move it up.
1403
01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:50.680
But in the meantime, he surprised us by flying up
1404
01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:54.479
for the premiere, and to kind of pay him back
1405
01:14:54.520 --> 01:14:58.720
a little bit, I helped him shoot a short film
1406
01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:02.039
of his for a long term project that he has
1407
01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:05.199
on his YouTube channel, Demnza's Gate. That is Demnza with
1408
01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:08.720
a Z d E m E n z A Demnza's Gate.
1409
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:10.359
Gate.
1410
01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:16.920
Okay, d M E A n z apostrophe the eight
1411
01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:20.479
space g A t E Demnza's Gate and when you.
1412
01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:24.399
See like the Party City Edgy thirteen year old. You
1413
01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:24.880
got him?
1414
01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:31.800
Yeah, so he uh we we helped him shoot, well,
1415
01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:34.079
I helped him shoot a little bit of this thing,
1416
01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:36.720
and by the end of that shoot day, I was like, hey,
1417
01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:39.119
dem can I finish this for you so you don't
1418
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:41.800
need to make another trip up here just to get
1419
01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:46.560
a couple more shots because he was entirely behind the camera. Okay,
1420
01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:48.600
So I was like, you should just like give me
1421
01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:50.960
a shot, list, give me the script, tell you, tell
1422
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:55.079
me what you need, yeah, and I will step in
1423
01:15:55.239 --> 01:15:57.560
and I will put it together. And also I want
1424
01:15:57.560 --> 01:15:59.039
to edit it because it seems like it's going to
1425
01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:01.359
be really fun to edit. And then he sent me
1426
01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:04.239
the script and then I rewrote it and I shot
1427
01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:06.520
a bunch of new shit for it. I think by
1428
01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:08.800
the time it's done, it's probably going to be feature length.
1429
01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:11.640
So I guess technically you could call that a film.
1430
01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:13.000
A damn.
1431
01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:17.680
So it's again, it's it's it's very it's very different
1432
01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:22.079
from Divine Hammer. The pacing is basically glacial, which is
1433
01:16:22.119 --> 01:16:24.960
how it was easy to get it to uh in
1434
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:30.520
my mind anyway, it's it's ninety minutes. Who knows, damn.
1435
01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:34.800
So that's another thing I'm working on and then also
1436
01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:38.520
I want to take it second to shout out our friends,
1437
01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:43.039
the cast and crew of the film Gay Brothers Gay
1438
01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:46.479
they are currently working on Yeah. In twenty twenty four,
1439
01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:49.439
the short film Gay Brothers was released to YouTube. I
1440
01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:51.520
believe it was released on September eleventh.
1441
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:52.840
It was Yeah.
1442
01:16:54.239 --> 01:17:00.239
And the minds behind the genius minds behind that are
1443
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:04.279
currently working on the sequel, Gay Brothers Too, which is
1444
01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:08.760
a prequel that is a twenty eighteen period piece. We've
1445
01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:10.840
got to do some acting for it last year. May
1446
01:17:10.920 --> 01:17:12.560
is kind of a major character in it.
1447
01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:15.119
Yeah, I got and it's so delightful.
1448
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:18.079
It's so delightful. I'm so excited for it to come out.
1449
01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:21.000
I love those kids, and and like it'll it'll it'll
1450
01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:23.680
come out eventually and it will be good. It'll be
1451
01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:26.159
How can a movie named Gay Brothers to not be good?
1452
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:28.640
If Gay Brothers is good enough for there to be
1453
01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:29.520
a sequel, come on?
1454
01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:32.560
Is it it's a comedy? Yes?
1455
01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:37.560
No, No, it's like a really gripping period piece about
1456
01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:39.760
two gay brothers.
1457
01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:42.760
It sounds like you have like a really cool scene
1458
01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:45.439
then of like different filmmakers that you're all working with.
1459
01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:49.960
It is so wonderful. I'm so grateful to be in
1460
01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:52.479
the position that I am. Like, you know, we talked
1461
01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:54.159
about it a little bit at the beginning. When I
1462
01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:58.359
started conceptualizing Divine Hammer, it was under the impression that
1463
01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:01.560
nobody would actually be willing to help me put a
1464
01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:06.000
film together. And now, not only do I have a
1465
01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:08.800
network of people that I can rely on to help
1466
01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:13.319
us with that, that network is largely like a walk
1467
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:14.680
away from you, you know.
1468
01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:17.960
And so we started conceptualizing toweene Hemmer. When we shot
1469
01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:21.239
most of it, I lived across the country from Hazel
1470
01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:24.439
and lived in a space where I basically knew no
1471
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:28.920
one that I made stuff with or really anybody that
1472
01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:33.640
I cared about, yeah, or felt connected to, And that
1473
01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:37.840
is so not true of me. Now I live, I
1474
01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:40.720
mean a walk away from almost everyone I loved, and
1475
01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:42.000
that's making stuff with.
1476
01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:47.159
Yeah, yeah, it's really really incredible. I think that was
1477
01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:51.439
really deeply reaffirmed when we did our Channel Awesome trilogy,
1478
01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:56.920
just because we there was so so much and we
1479
01:18:56.920 --> 01:18:59.560
were making it flying by the seat of our pants,
1480
01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:01.680
so we were able to rely on a lot of
1481
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:08.079
people in our life for various favors and appearances and performances.
1482
01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:10.159
We turned all of our friends into Doug Walker at
1483
01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:12.119
least once. Ye, we turned all of them into the
1484
01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:13.640
fucking nostalgia critic.
1485
01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:16.359
And they were happy, and they were happy.
1486
01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:19.479
I'm still like us, So that's really incredible. And I'm
1487
01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:19.840
say I.
1488
01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:25.079
Never kind of we assumed would stay just the two
1489
01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:27.079
of us. And I think the meat of the film
1490
01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:30.600
is obviously what we like, wrote and acted is, but
1491
01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:35.000
all of that secondary footage I think breathed so much
1492
01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:39.520
life into the film And basically all of that could
1493
01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:43.560
not have happened with without having the people that we
1494
01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:44.439
have close to us.
1495
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:47.840
Yeah, and so you know, the moral of the story
1496
01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:52.399
is you can still just make things if it's just
1497
01:19:52.520 --> 01:19:54.560
you or just you and some other strange woman you
1498
01:19:54.600 --> 01:20:03.720
met online. But doing that will well, I like doing
1499
01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:06.039
that over and over again is sort of what allowed
1500
01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:10.720
man I to foster so many relationships. Because obviously Devine
1501
01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:13.880
Hammer was our first film. I've been making stuff online
1502
01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:18.760
since two thousand and eight. You know, I've bolstered a
1503
01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:21.920
lot of friendships over that time, and I've built up
1504
01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:25.560
a lot of good will with them, thankfully, So I think,
1505
01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:28.399
you know, if we were to give any sort of
1506
01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:34.399
parting advice, it's make something. If you want to have
1507
01:20:34.520 --> 01:20:39.640
us to foster a scene of weirdo artists around you, well,
1508
01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:41.560
it really helps if you have the privilege to be
1509
01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:44.920
able to afford living in a big city, that really
1510
01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:49.479
really helps. But honestly, like if you were able to
1511
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:51.880
start making things on your own and you're able to
1512
01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:55.239
get that in front of like minded people and be
1513
01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:59.800
very very explicit that you will say how high when
1514
01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:04.359
they say jump on their stuff? Yeah, Like, I think
1515
01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:12.800
collaboration among small time artists, I think there's this kind
1516
01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:17.760
of instinct to pass the same twenty dollars around. But
1517
01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:22.239
I think hopefully this continues to be a mode that
1518
01:21:22.279 --> 01:21:24.119
works for us and doesn't blow up in our face
1519
01:21:24.119 --> 01:21:29.239
in some way. But like trying to be as as
1520
01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:31.920
willing to drop everything to help out on something else
1521
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:36.159
that a friend is doing, I think really like it.
1522
01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:38.800
It is a good reminder that that is actually something
1523
01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:42.920
that you can like ask for and just like like.
1524
01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:43.640
Do and and.
1525
01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:48.680
Yeah, it's like if you're able to be reliable and
1526
01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:51.600
rely on other people, Yeah, that's actually very fun. That's
1527
01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:53.800
actually the secret way to make independent art.
1528
01:21:54.279 --> 01:21:54.560
Yeah.
1529
01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:59.279
No, I would much rather waste twenty hours with a
1530
01:21:59.319 --> 01:22:02.319
friend than of them twenty dollars and help that makes
1531
01:22:02.359 --> 01:22:04.560
it easier to make something.
1532
01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:10.159
Yeah, definitely never forget Yeah, and I I bring that
1533
01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:14.479
up because we have I think the question maybe kind
1534
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:18.880
of speaks for itself with Divine Hammer. But in YouTube
1535
01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:22.399
and music stuff that I do, people are constantly acting
1536
01:22:22.479 --> 01:22:25.560
like how do I get started making a thing?
1537
01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:27.800
Yeah?
1538
01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:32.439
And I feel like I don't know, I guess, like
1539
01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:35.800
sort of disclosing that, like so much of it comes
1540
01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:38.159
down so much of how we are doing things now
1541
01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:41.640
comes down to having a group of people around us,
1542
01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:44.039
but that like, you know, ultimately we did start with
1543
01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:45.439
just ourselves.
1544
01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:49.760
Yeah. Yeah, Like as someone who used to bristle from
1545
01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:53.720
the we'll just start doing it advice, right. It sucks,
1546
01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:56.399
It sucks, but like yeah, and it's a.
1547
01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:58.560
Lot easier if you just already have somebody around you
1548
01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:02.920
who's willing. Yeah. Yeah, but you know, not everybody has
1549
01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:03.720
that privilege.
1550
01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:08.279
That's a lot of really heartwarming things that I hope
1551
01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:10.560
people can like pull away from it. I've tried to
1552
01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:13.880
have people on, you know, for episodes, like here's a
1553
01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:17.039
film programmer that might give people advice of like how
1554
01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:19.600
to program films, or like you're so I'm going to
1555
01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:22.439
get a guy soon who runs a death metal record label,
1556
01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:24.279
Like how do you do this? You know, like, I
1557
01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:27.800
think it's important to kind of instill this hope in
1558
01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:32.960
people that like anything's possible, you know. You just you
1559
01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:36.760
need community and you need to accept that it doesn't
1560
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:38.039
it doesn't happen overnight.
1561
01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:41.039
Yeah. So yeah, yeah.
1562
01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:43.960
People have asked me sometimes like how do you how
1563
01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:47.319
do you become like a successful musician, And the answer is, unfortunately,
1564
01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:49.359
have a YouTube channel about something else.
1565
01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:52.039
Oh okay, And the.
1566
01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:53.520
Truth find that is really lucky.
1567
01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:57.039
Yeah, the truth behind it is start a YouTube channel
1568
01:23:57.439 --> 01:24:02.239
when COVID happens. Okay, you know, I mean I had
1569
01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:04.319
I've had that channel for a very long time, but
1570
01:24:04.359 --> 01:24:07.199
I got serious about posting to it again because I
1571
01:24:07.239 --> 01:24:09.520
had a fuck ton of time to my hands and
1572
01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:12.079
making unemployment money.
1573
01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.359
Yeah okay, and then a job that you hated so
1574
01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:17.560
much that you really wanted to stop working that job,
1575
01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:18.560
so you did everything.
1576
01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:21.119
But everybody has that part. Everybody has that part.
1577
01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:22.800
Yeah.
1578
01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:29.439
Like going going back very quickly to Toby Jones, yes, yeah,
1579
01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:34.000
his film A j is effectively like a decade and
1580
01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:37.600
a half long act or like not the film itself,
1581
01:24:37.640 --> 01:24:40.159
but like his relationship with that friend has just been
1582
01:24:40.199 --> 01:24:42.119
him putting a camera in front of that friend for
1583
01:24:42.319 --> 01:24:44.760
years and writing stuff for him and turning him into
1584
01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:45.159
his muse.
1585
01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:45.760
Yeah.
1586
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:51.119
Oh yeah, and like that film is so fucking good.
1587
01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:53.399
I love it. It's it's a very very out there
1588
01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:59.000
comedy and yeah, no it is. He's just like just
1589
01:24:59.039 --> 01:25:00.920
in love with is one of the close friends and
1590
01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:02.560
just loves to put them in stuff.
1591
01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:03.079
Yeah.
1592
01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:06.479
And I love to just make my friends do stuff
1593
01:25:06.479 --> 01:25:07.439
because they're trusting me.
1594
01:25:07.560 --> 01:25:12.600
Yeah, something that small and that's silly, can uh uh
1595
01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:14.079
really like blossom?
1596
01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:14.960
Yeah?
1597
01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:15.720
Yeah.
1598
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:18.760
I think there's this kind of like, uh, sometimes you
1599
01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:21.920
hear a filmmaker say like, well you know how it is.
1600
01:25:22.039 --> 01:25:23.680
You say, hey, do you want to be a movie?
1601
01:25:23.760 --> 01:25:26.199
And they go yeah, absolutely, and then the day comes
1602
01:25:26.199 --> 01:25:28.720
and they flake. I hear just as many people say
1603
01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:31.920
like no, Like in my experience, people are so excited
1604
01:25:31.920 --> 01:25:34.199
to be involved in a film production because they're like, wow,
1605
01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:34.800
a movie.
1606
01:25:34.880 --> 01:25:35.159
Sure.
1607
01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:41.479
Yeah, Like there's like really no consistent advice on that front,
1608
01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:45.479
so like no, uh yeah.
1609
01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:46.479
That's where the editing comes in.
1610
01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:51.119
Yeah there you go there, Yeah.
1611
01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:52.439
Okayou should move on to the questionnaire.
1612
01:25:52.840 --> 01:25:54.840
Yes, yes, Yeah, I'm excited and they.
1613
01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:57.960
Will wrap this up. Yeah, just a few questions, don't
1614
01:25:57.960 --> 01:26:01.000
have to overthink them. Okay, what is one item you
1615
01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:01.760
can't live without?
1616
01:26:03.039 --> 01:26:07.399
Uh boring answer? Your cell phone? A lot of people
1617
01:26:07.399 --> 01:26:12.960
say that, Yeah, like laptop. Honestly, I have a nightmare
1618
01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:15.600
sometimes where something bad happens to my laptop and I
1619
01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:17.560
wake up and I think to myself, I would rather
1620
01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:18.359
it just be me.
1621
01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:23.560
Oh oh no, they shot my laptop with a gun.
1622
01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:24.399
I wish it was me.
1623
01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:27.159
The SSD that has a Divine Hammer on it, that
1624
01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:29.479
if something bad had happened to that before the film
1625
01:26:29.560 --> 01:26:31.399
was at least done to the degree that it is
1626
01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:33.520
like you'd never hear from me again.
1627
01:26:34.479 --> 01:26:38.600
I I I want it to be like my computer
1628
01:26:38.920 --> 01:26:42.439
or my phone. But the truth is it is either
1629
01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:46.640
my bedroom full of platypus plush right. I love those
1630
01:26:46.680 --> 01:26:50.079
guys to death. I love platypus. I there's one in
1631
01:26:50.119 --> 01:26:53.720
Divine Hammer she sits on Rose's desk. If any of
1632
01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:56.720
those guys got hurt, I would die. I would die
1633
01:26:56.760 --> 01:26:59.880
in an instant. Or my Nintendo switch that has on
1634
01:26:59.880 --> 01:27:04.720
my Pokemon saves on it. I'm fucking I'm I'm out.
1635
01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:07.520
The window if we're looking at it in a little
1636
01:27:07.520 --> 01:27:12.119
bit more of an abstract sense. Definitely, yeahs a couple
1637
01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:12.920
of answers.
1638
01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:14.199
It's funny, I am.
1639
01:27:14.720 --> 01:27:17.840
The last interview I did was with this guy Sam Hell,
1640
01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:22.399
who's like an extreme horror director, makes like really gnarly stuff.
1641
01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:24.880
And he's the first person that when he got that
1642
01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:29.159
question said my family, Wow, yeah.
1643
01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:33.439
You said thing. So I was thinking, like, yeah, that's
1644
01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:35.279
that makes it like so much more wholesome.
1645
01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:40.920
I was like, I love to hear that. That's okay.
1646
01:27:41.359 --> 01:27:46.439
What was the last great movie you saw in theaters?
1647
01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:49.840
I was, I'm gonna not say Divine Hammer because that's
1648
01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:51.880
the only that might be the only film I've seen
1649
01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:52.840
in theaters this year.
1650
01:27:53.479 --> 01:27:56.560
This no isn't this year. I haven't seen a single
1651
01:27:56.800 --> 01:27:57.159
or just.
1652
01:27:57.119 --> 01:27:59.520
Like recently, I guess the last.
1653
01:28:01.359 --> 01:28:03.960
What was I Actually the problem is I'm terrible and
1654
01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:08.600
I don't go to the theater very often because when
1655
01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:12.479
I when I want, When I watched movies, it's fun
1656
01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:14.880
if it's like in my bed on my laptop and
1657
01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:16.800
I could pause and see whatever I want.
1658
01:28:17.239 --> 01:28:20.800
The last film I watched in the theater that was
1659
01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:23.840
not The Fine Hammer was The Wicked sequel. I didn't
1660
01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:27.000
look that film very much Before that was the second
1661
01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:31.079
Five Nights in Freddy's film, which I also like very much.
1662
01:28:31.359 --> 01:28:33.560
So I'm gonna say the most recent film I watched
1663
01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:36.399
that wasn't my own that I really loved. Uh, I
1664
01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:41.920
watched fucking Singing in the Rain recently. No, no at
1665
01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:45.319
home at home. Okay, that sounds fucking I would kill
1666
01:28:45.399 --> 01:28:46.560
to watch that film in the theater.
1667
01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:50.039
It's so it probably happens all the time in Sattle.
1668
01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:53.800
Yeah, no, because it's it's it's a classic classic for
1669
01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:54.279
a reason.
1670
01:28:58.760 --> 01:28:59.279
Do you like my.
1671
01:28:59.319 --> 01:29:01.359
Smug little I can't.
1672
01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:04.239
I can't even find the last movie that I saw
1673
01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:07.560
in a in a theater. I'm like going down my
1674
01:29:08.279 --> 01:29:11.640
It might have been Koji Wakamatsu's documentary about the People's
1675
01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:17.520
Liberation Front for Palestine. Oh wow, whatever achronism it might
1676
01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:19.640
have been that that might have literally been the last
1677
01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:21.319
movie I saw.
1678
01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:25.079
It would be to search your email for ticket stubs.
1679
01:29:25.279 --> 01:29:26.720
That's a documentary for.
1680
01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:29.720
I've heard of it, I haven't seen.
1681
01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:34.760
Yeah, yeah, it's it's uh, it's quite good. The archival
1682
01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:37.680
footage is kind of like the highlight and the sort
1683
01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:41.880
of like you know, philosophizing beat poet philosophizing they're doing
1684
01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:45.600
is sort of secondary, but okay, it was. It was
1685
01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:47.680
fun to go to that screening and see that it
1686
01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:52.199
was mostly like Seattle's like leftist community there and not
1687
01:29:52.520 --> 01:29:58.239
like like pervert like pervert audience. There's a lot of
1688
01:29:58.279 --> 01:30:00.399
overlap between the two, but it seems like a lot
1689
01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:05.199
of the people there didn't know who u Koji Wakamatsu.
1690
01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:08.560
Was sure, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've only seen his
1691
01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:11.640
his pink films, so yeah, yeah, perverted stuff.
1692
01:30:11.720 --> 01:30:14.279
Yeah yeah, yeah. Prior to that, that was all I've seen.
1693
01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:19.640
Okay, okay, next one, what was the last great concert
1694
01:30:19.720 --> 01:30:20.319
you went to.
1695
01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:23.520
See?
1696
01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:26.479
The same way that I'm terrible for being a musician
1697
01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:28.960
or sorry for being a filmmaker that doesn't like seeing
1698
01:30:28.960 --> 01:30:31.399
movies and theaters that much. I don't like going to
1699
01:30:31.479 --> 01:30:34.359
shows very much. I almost never do.
1700
01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:40.359
We went to a one of the Rylo Kylie Reunions shows.
1701
01:30:40.560 --> 01:30:41.880
Yeah, that was the last one that we did.
1702
01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:44.279
I loved it.
1703
01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:47.319
I was a little cynical about it. They were like
1704
01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:48.079
too polished.
1705
01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:54.319
Yeah yeah, it HAPs I I I really loved it.
1706
01:30:54.319 --> 01:30:58.319
It was very nice to uh yeah, that's the thing.
1707
01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:00.840
I was very nice to hear that music, but it
1708
01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:04.800
was just polished enough that it was like, yeah, that's
1709
01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:05.560
what it sounds.
1710
01:31:05.359 --> 01:31:08.279
Like listening listening to the record really loud at a
1711
01:31:08.319 --> 01:31:10.600
winery because it was a fucking winery.
1712
01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:16.640
We saw thought, we saw Kim Deal at a local
1713
01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:22.319
Kim Deal from the Breeders at a little like.
1714
01:31:24.079 --> 01:31:27.640
I call it chop, but that's a very different Seattle thing,
1715
01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:30.640
no cha, which is the same thing.
1716
01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:33.920
But not that thing Chop. Yeah, it was.
1717
01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:36.079
Like a fool festival, and for some reason, Kim Deal
1718
01:31:36.119 --> 01:31:38.399
did a performance there for free, and she was amazing.
1719
01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:40.680
She wanted to say and see if we could flag
1720
01:31:40.760 --> 01:31:43.279
her down to ask for her permission to use the
1721
01:31:43.399 --> 01:31:46.039
title Divine Hammer, and we sort of assumed that she
1722
01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:48.279
wouldn't come out, And then I looked the next day
1723
01:31:48.279 --> 01:31:50.199
and saw that like five minutes after we left, she
1724
01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:53.359
greeted literally every single person was around and waited in
1725
01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:54.079
line to see her.
1726
01:31:54.640 --> 01:31:57.439
Yeah, I felt such an what if she no?
1727
01:31:58.199 --> 01:32:01.319
Well, okay, because I google Divine and Hammer earlier and
1728
01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:03.439
it said, yeah, it was the Breeders song, but it
1729
01:32:03.479 --> 01:32:07.800
also said it's like from Warhammer or something like one
1730
01:32:07.840 --> 01:32:10.560
of the other I don't know which one they grabbed.
1731
01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:15.520
Uh, it was most definitely the Breeders song I think so. Yeah,
1732
01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:18.600
she was really really amazing. She played stuff across her
1733
01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:24.159
entire career and it was really special. Before that, just
1734
01:32:24.279 --> 01:32:26.720
so that I can Canada or a farm for a second,
1735
01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:29.399
I saw the band's stars play their album Set Yourself
1736
01:32:29.439 --> 01:32:31.960
on the Fire and floydah In I think at the
1737
01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:33.960
end of twenty twenty four, and that was also.
1738
01:32:33.760 --> 01:32:34.800
Really really cool.
1739
01:32:35.119 --> 01:32:38.000
That's awesome, A really really good hot dog after it.
1740
01:32:38.680 --> 01:32:43.960
Okay, yeah, so save that portion for upcoming.
1741
01:32:44.239 --> 01:32:47.239
Oh right, yeah yeah yeah.
1742
01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:51.319
Okay, well back, okay, never mind. What was the last
1743
01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:52.359
great book you read?
1744
01:32:54.520 --> 01:32:57.600
Oh? At the third of this year, I read the
1745
01:32:57.640 --> 01:33:02.680
book which, as you know, means Violins by Felipa's Snow.
1746
01:33:04.039 --> 01:33:08.720
That is a I think the subtitle is like on Basically,
1747
01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:12.399
it's a book about the intersection of self injury or
1748
01:33:12.479 --> 01:33:16.000
just violence in general and art kind of exploring it
1749
01:33:16.039 --> 01:33:21.239
primarily through jackass, which is great. This Yeah, it's it's
1750
01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:24.880
really it's really great. I really loved reading it. Yeah,
1751
01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:27.359
that's that's my I I.
1752
01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:30.640
Have started rereading a book that I've read twice before,
1753
01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:33.560
Someone Who Will Love You and all your Damaged Glory,
1754
01:33:33.640 --> 01:33:36.119
which is one of my favorite books. It is a
1755
01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:40.159
short story collection from Mafail Bob Blocksburg, who was one
1756
01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:43.760
of the was the main showrunner on BoJack Horseman. And
1757
01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:50.319
it is just a super like just fucking out there
1758
01:33:50.560 --> 01:33:54.920
like collection of short stories about love, some and like
1759
01:33:54.960 --> 01:33:59.319
these really like weird magical realist situations, something like very
1760
01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:04.680
down to earth settings, kind of stretching love from like
1761
01:34:04.720 --> 01:34:09.119
familial love, romantic love. It is one of like my
1762
01:34:09.239 --> 01:34:12.159
main touchstones. And just like all of the art, I
1763
01:34:12.199 --> 01:34:17.720
love it is. So it's so eclectic. It's so fucking
1764
01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:21.640
nice to just see all these different uh what feels
1765
01:34:21.640 --> 01:34:24.039
like a lot of authors coming together for one novel
1766
01:34:24.039 --> 01:34:27.720
from one singular voice kind of tuning the settings on
1767
01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:29.640
each thing that comes out of his mouth for all
1768
01:34:29.680 --> 01:34:32.319
of these different characters in worlds. It's so fucking fun.
1769
01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:34.600
I love it. It's a really great read.
1770
01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:35.760
I should read it.
1771
01:34:36.159 --> 01:34:37.159
Yeah, that's great.
1772
01:34:37.479 --> 01:34:42.119
I gotta say both both picks here, deadly. I got
1773
01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:44.279
it to my Amazon wishlist.
1774
01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:46.520
Nice, okay.
1775
01:34:47.159 --> 01:34:50.920
Next one for his final meal, John Wayne Gacy picked
1776
01:34:51.239 --> 01:34:55.920
KFC chicken, shrimp and strawberries for your final meal before
1777
01:34:55.960 --> 01:34:56.840
being executed.
1778
01:34:56.880 --> 01:34:57.520
What would you pick.
1779
01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:05.439
Okay, Like does it depend on what we're getting executed for? Yeah,
1780
01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:06.680
that kind of augmental.
1781
01:35:07.039 --> 01:35:09.159
Do we get more food if we were like like
1782
01:35:09.159 --> 01:35:10.520
like a horrible murderer.
1783
01:35:10.640 --> 01:35:12.960
Well, I'm thinking I'm thinking more like you know, if
1784
01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:15.760
I if I was going to be put to death
1785
01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:19.880
for like you know, killing somebody's like steer, you know,
1786
01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:21.920
I think you get a steak and this is like
1787
01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:24.279
the seventeen hundreds and I'm getting put on I'm gonna
1788
01:35:24.279 --> 01:35:28.319
be hung for stealing somebody's like like cow, this is
1789
01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:31.279
I think I would This is like a bit right,
1790
01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:33.840
like like you could see this being a great sketch
1791
01:35:33.920 --> 01:35:36.479
or something of like okay, sir, you're you're gonna be
1792
01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:38.199
executed and the guy's like.
1793
01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:41.319
Ah, well, you know, like I like go through all
1794
01:35:41.359 --> 01:35:43.439
the options. It's just like dragging off.
1795
01:35:43.960 --> 01:35:46.279
Yeah, I'm stabbing the guard in the neck until you
1796
01:35:46.279 --> 01:35:47.640
give me a staate state.
1797
01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:53.920
I think, man, I think it. I think probably I
1798
01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:57.079
would opt for nothing because I would be too embarrassed
1799
01:35:57.079 --> 01:35:59.840
to have the to have anybody watch me eat fu.
1800
01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:05.000
So it's my last meal. Man, that's so intimate. They're
1801
01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:09.720
not gonna let me do it alone. Just like I'm alone.
1802
01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:10.520
I'm alone.
1803
01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:11.760
That's part of it.
1804
01:36:11.920 --> 01:36:16.520
Probably fucking Taco Bell, right, Like I could say something
1805
01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:21.159
really like, you know, my mother's homemade cooking, my stepfather's
1806
01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:24.680
delicious lasagna. I could say that, but really, at its core,
1807
01:36:24.760 --> 01:36:29.800
the food that sort of epitomizes like uh like like
1808
01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:32.079
the thing that is the most like hardwired in my
1809
01:36:32.159 --> 01:36:35.159
brain to make me feel good probably is Taco Bell.
1810
01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:36.840
Yeah whatever, trip's dopemo.
1811
01:36:37.159 --> 01:36:37.840
Yeah, exactly.
1812
01:36:38.520 --> 01:36:47.279
I have an allergy to eggs, shellfish, hazel nuts, mustard, avocado, apple,
1813
01:36:47.640 --> 01:36:52.000
and pineapple. So, uh, I'm dying eating good food. I
1814
01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:53.239
don't get to eat good food.
1815
01:36:54.439 --> 01:36:55.399
That's genius.
1816
01:36:55.479 --> 01:36:58.640
Yeah, so I'm having There was a fucking really good
1817
01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:03.479
uh crab mac and cheese pasta that I had once
1818
01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:09.960
in I believe Massachusetts as a kid that I hate
1819
01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:11.600
so much of it, and I thought it was really good,
1820
01:37:11.680 --> 01:37:13.720
and then my heart started beating funny and I threw
1821
01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:15.720
it up all in the parking lot. But I would
1822
01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:17.359
I would eat that again. I would look like a
1823
01:37:17.399 --> 01:37:21.199
really good crab pasta. Fucking I don't know, man, give
1824
01:37:21.239 --> 01:37:24.239
me a hazel nut garnish. I don't care. I'm gonna die. Yeah,
1825
01:37:24.319 --> 01:37:28.439
eggs pasta, crab, shellfish, hazel nut. Just pour it all
1826
01:37:28.479 --> 01:37:29.920
on there. I'm gonna die anyway.
1827
01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:30.199
It's like.
1828
01:37:32.399 --> 01:37:34.159
You're just getting all the toppings no matter how.
1829
01:37:34.720 --> 01:37:37.239
Just let me die. Yeah, there's a chance that the
1830
01:37:37.239 --> 01:37:41.000
anaplactic shock will get me before like the gun or
1831
01:37:41.000 --> 01:37:41.520
the needle.
1832
01:37:42.039 --> 01:37:45.119
Who cares, Right, it's your final meal.
1833
01:37:45.439 --> 01:37:46.960
But I would feel I would feel like such a
1834
01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:50.119
dumb ass if I like survived, I would feel like
1835
01:37:50.119 --> 01:37:50.720
such an.
1836
01:37:50.520 --> 01:37:52.720
Oh oh, because you'd be like, that's her. You can't
1837
01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:53.520
fire me. I quit.
1838
01:37:54.039 --> 01:37:57.520
Yeah, And yeah, I know, like if I eat all
1839
01:37:57.600 --> 01:38:00.000
that shit and then I'm just really puffy and blow
1840
01:38:00.359 --> 01:38:01.239
and farting.
1841
01:38:00.920 --> 01:38:02.680
That and like to die.
1842
01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:05.640
Yeah, no, I'm gonna die like a fucking bloated corpse.
1843
01:38:05.680 --> 01:38:06.399
It's gonna suck.
1844
01:38:07.960 --> 01:38:10.880
You two are comedy writers for real. Like that's just
1845
01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:12.039
like another good bit.
1846
01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:15.039
Like if I have a lot of stuff I'm allergic to,
1847
01:38:15.399 --> 01:38:18.319
maybe I can like tactically like ship myself when I
1848
01:38:18.359 --> 01:38:20.920
die and make it terrible for everyone who try to Oh.
1849
01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:23.800
Yeah, yeah, like like you're you're single, your final active
1850
01:38:23.840 --> 01:38:24.960
spite toward the world.
1851
01:38:25.479 --> 01:38:28.560
Yeah, that's kind of like stand by Me. Do you
1852
01:38:28.600 --> 01:38:28.920
know that.
1853
01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:31.479
Film does that happen and stand.
1854
01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:34.520
No, okay, Like the guy doesn't die, but he he's
1855
01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:35.760
like bullied by everyone.
1856
01:38:35.800 --> 01:38:37.960
He's like a big, like overweight guy.
1857
01:38:38.479 --> 01:38:42.279
And so there's a pie eating contest at the fair
1858
01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:46.039
and he like drinks a bunch of like raw eggs
1859
01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:48.439
and like some like I don't know, like get the
1860
01:38:48.479 --> 01:38:50.960
cac or something right, and then he starts eating the
1861
01:38:51.039 --> 01:38:53.880
pies and then he starts spewing everywhere.
1862
01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:58.079
And then, like I thought, all of the time, anytime
1863
01:38:58.279 --> 01:39:01.159
anything goes against me, like at work, I'm having a
1864
01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:03.520
bad damn like I should vomit the ground right now.
1865
01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:05.720
They're gonna send me home. They're gonna have to send
1866
01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:08.000
me home with my vomit on the ground. I'm genuinely
1867
01:39:08.039 --> 01:39:12.279
considered like carrying a bottle of ippacac with me. That's
1868
01:39:12.359 --> 01:39:13.239
not good for you.
1869
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:18.399
That's so fucking funny. I I like, I go through
1870
01:39:18.399 --> 01:39:21.359
stints where I'm just puking constantly for some reason, like
1871
01:39:21.439 --> 01:39:23.800
food just stops agreeing with me, and I'm just like
1872
01:39:24.239 --> 01:39:26.359
waking up two hours after I go to sleep to
1873
01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:27.279
puke a bunch.
1874
01:39:27.840 --> 01:39:28.399
Maybe it's.
1875
01:39:31.479 --> 01:39:34.479
It's it's it's coming gone. It's gotta be related to
1876
01:39:34.600 --> 01:39:35.600
some other thing.
1877
01:39:36.439 --> 01:39:39.720
Yeah, maybe it's an ulcer who leaves when it gets
1878
01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:41.359
bored and comes back, right.
1879
01:39:41.319 --> 01:39:44.800
Yeah, yeah, it's possible. Yeah, like, oh you fucking here,
1880
01:39:44.920 --> 01:39:47.720
you ate Italian sausage again, that's what you're gonna be
1881
01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:49.680
puking up. No fucking thanks, I'm out.
1882
01:39:51.640 --> 01:39:59.239
Okay, speaking of last question, great, can art go too far?
1883
01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:07.960
It depends, are we including the way it's created? However,
1884
01:40:08.159 --> 01:40:12.640
because absolutely there's a billion in ethical ways to make art.
1885
01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:15.399
There's a billion pieces of art that were not worth
1886
01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:19.159
the exploitation and suffering that went into them. So I
1887
01:40:19.159 --> 01:40:22.920
feel like that's kind of like negating actually interrogating the
1888
01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:23.520
meat of your.
1889
01:40:23.680 --> 01:40:25.159
Yeah, like that's that's an easy cinch.
1890
01:40:25.399 --> 01:40:28.399
Yeah, And like not to get like to too like
1891
01:40:28.520 --> 01:40:31.000
graphic or dark or anything. But like I I talk
1892
01:40:31.039 --> 01:40:34.560
about anime for a living, so I'm constantly exposed to,
1893
01:40:36.479 --> 01:40:40.479
you know, functionally a cartoon child pornography, right, yeah, Like
1894
01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:41.680
ultimately that's what it.
1895
01:40:41.680 --> 01:40:44.800
Is, Okay, that's just what so much of those guys drop.
1896
01:40:45.079 --> 01:40:47.640
And and like I've had to really kind of like
1897
01:40:47.800 --> 01:40:50.319
weigh through like whether or not I want to still
1898
01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:54.880
find value in that stuff, And obviously ultimately the answer
1899
01:40:54.960 --> 01:40:57.359
is yes. And like the kinds of movies I watch
1900
01:40:57.439 --> 01:41:02.000
sort of reflect that in a slightly different way, and
1901
01:41:02.039 --> 01:41:05.359
I think ultimately I'm I'm drawn to art that kind
1902
01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:07.159
of like I'm not sure whether or not I'm going
1903
01:41:07.159 --> 01:41:09.720
to have that reaction to it. I guess in that sense,
1904
01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:11.279
you could say it sort of ties into what we
1905
01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:14.520
were saying about kind of searching for something that's not
1906
01:41:14.640 --> 01:41:18.520
like an own quantity already, although that's that's less like
1907
01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:20.800
I want to be challenged and a little bit more
1908
01:41:20.920 --> 01:41:23.000
like I think I'm just innately drawn to things that
1909
01:41:23.079 --> 01:41:25.359
are going to make me question whether or not yeah
1910
01:41:25.479 --> 01:41:27.520
they are like ethical, you know.
1911
01:41:28.199 --> 01:41:33.399
I feel weird with like thinking about a lot of
1912
01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:38.800
the art I really love, I've really probably disagree with
1913
01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:42.800
like parts of its creation, like especially working with kids.
1914
01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:45.800
It's like I don't know how ethical it is to
1915
01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:46.760
have a child.
1916
01:41:46.479 --> 01:41:50.119
Actor, Yeah, ethical in ethical, I don't know if there's
1917
01:41:50.119 --> 01:41:51.439
an ethical way to do it.
1918
01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:56.000
Yeah, But like I still like films and TV shows
1919
01:41:56.039 --> 01:41:59.159
with child actors in it, and like that's an impossible
1920
01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:02.119
to square away gap for me, Yeah, because like is
1921
01:42:02.119 --> 01:42:05.640
what I'm getting from this more than the not just
1922
01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:08.199
even suffering like that the show might be experienced just
1923
01:42:08.199 --> 01:42:09.279
like the disruption.
1924
01:42:09.359 --> 01:42:14.640
Of uh long hours, and yeah, there's some stuff in
1925
01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:17.520
place that's supposed to make that slightly better.
1926
01:42:17.319 --> 01:42:22.079
But like, yeah, yeah, have you guys seen Climax the
1927
01:42:22.199 --> 01:42:23.600
Guests Away film?
1928
01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:26.239
No, I actually haven't seen any of Noay's movies, And
1929
01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:28.960
that's kind of like there are It's like him and
1930
01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:31.600
Herny Corinn are guys that I've stayed away from because
1931
01:42:31.640 --> 01:42:33.680
I've just kind of like perceived it as.
1932
01:42:33.560 --> 01:42:34.159
Being like.
1933
01:42:37.359 --> 01:42:39.479
I'm so fifty to fifty on whether or not I
1934
01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:43.039
vibe with a provocateur. Sure, yeah, And I think that's
1935
01:42:43.079 --> 01:42:44.760
a case where I've just always sort of assumed that
1936
01:42:44.800 --> 01:42:47.560
I'm going to bounce off it. But really I should
1937
01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:51.920
just sit down and watch fucking uh uh what is it?
1938
01:42:51.960 --> 01:42:56.000
I keep wanting to call it unbreakable, but that's reversible, irreversible,
1939
01:42:56.039 --> 01:42:59.680
thank you, and breaking the fucking m night shyamalant Yes.
1940
01:43:01.439 --> 01:43:05.960
In Climbing, though, the story is a dance troop there
1941
01:43:06.039 --> 01:43:09.960
having a party, gets spiked with LSD and their their
1942
01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:14.159
punch and a little boy gets spiked as well.
1943
01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:18.279
He drinks it and I just thought the way that he.
1944
01:43:18.439 --> 01:43:21.439
Dealt I guess Bernoue dealt with this child actor was
1945
01:43:21.439 --> 01:43:25.399
actually kind of brilliant because what happens is the character
1946
01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:29.279
goes into an electricity room and the door gets locked,
1947
01:43:29.319 --> 01:43:33.279
and so you never see him. He's just behind this door,
1948
01:43:33.520 --> 01:43:36.159
like screaming and crying at a few points because.
1949
01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:41.000
He's like so the actor was in a vocal birth Yeah, yeah, totally.
1950
01:43:41.119 --> 01:43:41.399
Yeah.
1951
01:43:41.439 --> 01:43:43.880
So you could picture like the kids just like chilling,
1952
01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:46.119
like eating ice cream or something, you know, like having
1953
01:43:46.159 --> 01:43:46.840
a good time.
1954
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And I was like, that seems like an ethical way
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to show child and aturement.
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You know, that's so interesting. I know I'm not a
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child actor. But Bagonia that came out last year, Oh yeah, yeah,
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I know that one of the leads, the lead that
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isn't Emma Stone or Jesse Plemmons. Yeah, Delvis. He was
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not on set for most of the film. He is
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like green screen in and it is part a stylistic
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choice to show his kind of distance from Jesse Plemmons,
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but I believe it was also an accommodation for him
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being a younger actor, I think, fresh out of high
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school and being autistic and like getting him off of
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like a a very hectic film set.
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God imagine not not just being a reason to disqualify
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you from being a professional actor.
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Yeah.
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No, The fact that like that was all set out
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for him is incredible, right, Use, Like, when I was
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confronted with the reality that for the betterment of my
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health and the people around me, I should be adhering
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to a very strict sleep schedule, I thought immediately a
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out the scene in Little Miss Sunshine where he realizes
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he's color blind and that that means he can't be
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in an airline pilot, like an airplane pilot. Yeah, it's
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Paul Dano's playing a boy who's taken a vow of
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silence until he can pass his like aviation exam, and
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he finds out that he's colorblind and he can't. Yeah,
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he learns that that's what that means. There's a really
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incredible sequence where he like throws himself out of the
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bus and just screams fuck over and over as loud
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as he can. Okay, it's really great, great hashtag Paul
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Dano moment.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so I thought about about that, and obviously I've
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found ways to do it in ways that aren't disruptive,
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but you know, in that in that moment, it feels
1990
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like how the fuck am I, because, like I mean,
1991
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there were even moments when we were shooting Divine Hammer
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where like I would step on your wet bath mat
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and I'd be like, fuck this. I hate movies, you know.
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I think that is kind of the beauty of an
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independent production, where we set out to make this film
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with each other. There is no world where you got
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recast or like your role got stripped back unless you
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wanted it to. Like, any accommodations either of us needed
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were innately able to be provided, Like once I started
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working a real job again, Like the fact that you
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couldn't just like fucking ring the bell and have me
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over with my car and we would be shooting stuff
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was something that started to be accounted for and something
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I really appreciate about the scale of production.
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Yeah, so it's shocking to see any sort of accommodations
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being made that objectively you're going to slow down and
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complicate and cost more money on a set.
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Yeah.
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I really enjoyed chatting with you both totally. And the
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movie was amazing. It was kind but great. It was
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a great double feature if you will, watching the.
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Movie and the conversation, it's been very I've got like
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a flash of embarrassment every time something that we record,
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like an interview, goes over the length of the film.
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I know, I know, yeah you said that you're you're
2016
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around Toronto, right, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, we're I think
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that is the we've got like, we've got like a
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couple of different check that.
2019
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Oh, that is the one where Liz was like, yeah,
2020
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we have like seven theaters who want us. Yeah, well,
2021
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we're gonna see if we can play a festival. I
2022
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forget which one. Yeah, we can't. We will be horing
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ourselves out across Toronto.
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Really, who knows. Okay, you've got a passport.
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Yeah yeah, well if you come, I will meet you. Yeah. Yeah.
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This episode will be coming out probably like early May May.
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So yeah, I'll let you both know.
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That's a good I think I'll probably be Oh god,
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that might be when I'm starting to hopefully it doesn't
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fall through God, will and go to Australia for this film.
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Yeah that's right, Yeah, that is right.
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Now.
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There are two festivals in Australia that want to play
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the film.
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I think one of them is playing the film, right, yes, yeah?
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Or am I thinking of Ireland. I've got them all
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so mixed up, I feel so it's.
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A it's a great problem to have.
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It's a really great problem to have.
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Ye.
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Yeah, well it's playing it's like T I T E
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or something.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, And I would have I would have
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loved to go to that one, but that like specific
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week of April is literally the most busy I will
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be all year, so there was no way in hell
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that was going to happen. Jury duty, Like, I fuck you,
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I can't do anything.
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I've never ever been summoned to jury duty before thirty
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this year, and I have never ever been signed to
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dirty duty.
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It's on my desk right now. That's the side you
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can see. I get to call out of work for
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a day.
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Yeah, fair enough, cool, Okay, Well I will keep in
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touch and find out about the screenings. We'll have to
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record an addendum so you can discuss the the.
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The the court details, the case detail. Oh yeah, yeah,
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yeah exactly.
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Yeah, I'm I can't wait to see. Maybe it's maybe
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it's a guy who got murdered crazy, or maybe.
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It's like somebody who got a parking ticket.
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Yeah, or.
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You can get into the next film.
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So now, yeah, just secretly be filming and then we'll
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use the footage from the trial, and.
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Then use the security guard looking at me sternly and
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getting kicked out.
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Yes, yeah, okay, well on that note, thank you so
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much again.
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You two have a great night. You touch great.
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Thank you bye.
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