The Plan (Battlestar Galactica TV movie)

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Hey, everybody, this is Jason, just doing a little intro
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before the podcast starts. We originally released this episode covering
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the Plan on December eighth, twenty twenty three, which means
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we were wrapping up our coverage of the reimagined Battlestar
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Galactica on the twentieth anniversary of the premiere of the
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mini series. Yes, the mini series premiered on December eighth,
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two thousand and three, and I believe it is that
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Let's start the show. Computer voice take it away.
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Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week,
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covering the Battlestar Galactica TV movie The Plan.
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Welcome back on Bby and I'm Jason, and this is
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Spacing Out where today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica
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and if you are new to the show. Welcome, and
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you reached us here at the end of our journey.
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It's been a little over three years of us talking
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about Battlestar Galactica.
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Three years. That's crazy.
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Yep, so not the best place to jump in, but
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here we are. We're talking about the Battlestar Galactica TV
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movie The Plan, and this aired originally on Well. The
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originally was released on DVD in Blu Ray October twenty seventh,
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two thousand and nine, and then it aired on TV
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on January tenth, twenty ten. This was written by Jane
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Esfinson and directed by Edward James. Almost. Oh, we don't
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have a survivor count on this because it is all
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over the place. In this movie, set in the timeline
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of the first two seasons of Battlestar Galactica, events are
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retold with an emphasis on the Cylon perspective. Two John
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Cavill Silon's plan to annihilate humankind. One orchestrates the Sylon
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agents on board the Galactica, and the other tries to
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sabotage the resistance efforts on Kaprica.
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He does a really shitty job.
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The film provides an alternate alternate perspective on many events
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already known to the viewer.
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Vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? How does
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it stand the test of time?
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Yeah? I feel like this movie was definitely for the fans.
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Yeah, yeah, this is not like a standalone story. If
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you're scrolling through a streaming service and you see this
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and clicked on it, you'd be very confused unless you
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had seen all of Galactica and remembered it pretty well
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as well, because it takes you through the timeline and
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it gives you little little drops to like realize where
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we are. But if you've forgotten all that, you'd have
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a tough time keeping up. Yeah. So yeah, it's more
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of like a a companion piece to the main series,
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and anything that stands on its own does give you
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a bit of like a highlight reel from the first
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couple seasons, like hey remember this, remember this?
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Yeah? Did you like the movie?
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Yeah? I liked it. I always feel like if you
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like watch and release order and you watch this right
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after you watch the finale, I feel like it's anti climactic,
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because like the finale was big and brought the story
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to a close, and then it's like, hey, let's go
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back and clean up these loose ends.
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There were some storylines that never even were looked touched
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on in the series because it would like it was
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like a b plot for a Cylon character that wasn't
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part of the show. And I kind of hate that.
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I wish that was part of the show. Like it
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was common knowledge that Simon was married and had worked
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in the medical bay for a long time.
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Yeah, he gets character development in this. Yeah, he had
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very little in the show. He's like a very cold
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character in the show most of the time.
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Yeah. The most airtime he had was in the farm
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and it was scary.
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Yeah. He's always like a doctor that's ready to slice
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and dice everyone.
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Yeah.
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But so yeah, I mean I like, I like getting
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more of that, I guess, more of more development on him.
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Yeah, I like it for what it is. If you're
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wanting to go into it wanting it to be something else,
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then it's going to disappoint you, I guess.
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Yeah. I feel like you need to go in knowing
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what it is. And it's a kind of an inside
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look on specifically Cavil side of things and his movements
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throughout the war that they've been going through. So if
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you go in knowing that at least, then you shouldn't
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be too disappointed in what you're getting out of this.
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And I think it's a really good like as a
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piece of the Galactica like universe. I think it's it's
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a good, strong piece. I think I enjoyed it more
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than I enjoyed the other one, Razor. Yeah.
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Yeah, well, similar to Razor, I don't think that the
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release order is the best place to watch it. I
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think I wrote it down where they say you watch
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this between the episodes No Exit and Deadlock in season four,
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so it's near the end of the series because.
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There's a lot of spoilers. Otherwise, yeah, there's a.
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Lot of spoilers. We know all the final five Sylons,
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So like, if you want to avoid spoilers and kind
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of fit it into the continuity, the episode No Exit
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is that episode that gives you just like an information
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dump about the Cylon backstory where Cavil like explains all
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this stuff to Ellen and Anders is explaining all the
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stuff that he realizes.
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It's the episode where Ellen wakes up.
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Yeah, so I feel like it kind of pairs really
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nicely with that episode because it's like this is what
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Cavill did to the cylons. He tells you about it
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and then kind of shows you some of it.
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Yeah, because I feel like, if you don't remember what
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he's done for the siloons, you don't understand why they're
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so willing to do his bidding, because that part's really
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hard to understand for me, as a person really likes
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to challenge authority. I'm just like, geez, why are they
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listening to this guy? He's a fucking dumb ass.
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Well, at the end they outvote him. Yeah, but yeah,
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that's I liked it though. That's where I think it
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kind of fits bests.
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Better there instead of at the end. I would definitely
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sneak it into the middle of season four instead of
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at the end of it.
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Also, I wanted to say it does a really good
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job of intercutting the old footage and new footage and
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kind of matching all the continuity.
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I wanted to say that, but later, Okay, well, I'll.
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Let you say it later. I'll let you say it later.
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Yeah, because I figured you wanted to do trivia. It
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looks like there's a lot of trivia on.
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This there's a little bit of trivia. Let's get into.
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It trivia time. What facts could we uncover for the plans?
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All right? So at one point there was slated to
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be three movies following the finale what but it was
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reduced to wine And there's not really any information about
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what the content of the other movies would be other
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than that they had some of the series writers attached
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to them. So the unrated version was released on DVD
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and Blu ray, and it contains nudity, while the version
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aired on Sci Fi does not. Boo, we watched the
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unrated one. Yeah, and it's funny to kind of learn
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about this. So like when they're making a movie like this,
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that they know they're going to present two versions, they
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shoot these scenes twice and once with everyone covered and
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then they do the nude version.
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Nice. Oh, we should have watched the covered up version two,
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just to see the discrepancies. I wonder what top the
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bartender was laring.
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So Edward James almost and writer Janis and saying the
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range for an equal number of men and women to
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be nude in the scenes, but then several male actors
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backed out of being nude at the last minute. Boo,
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that's why we saw one penis And that's all I counted.
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Yeah, there was way more tips to Dick's ratio even
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I mean, naturally there's going to be because there's two pairs,
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there's one pair of breasts and only one penis to
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stand against the pair of breasts.
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Yeah, I understand the man, but I like.
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That they were like hoping to get that. I don't
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know why actors do that. I think it's kind of
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this thing where men are protected against being exposed because
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it's like kind of an undesirable thing to see on television.
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And I think that's part of the male gaze that
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like is so deeply ingrained in media and in the
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minds of people who are part of the media, like
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just show us your dick, dude, Damn, these chicks are
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taking off their tops and they're like chillin. They're brushing
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their teeth, they're serving drinks. Like, your penis is not
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that vulnerable, man, it's your balls you got to worry about.
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I don't know, I'm sad. I wish there was more
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penis to like female nudity, like that's equity, and I
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think that was I think that was very admirable of
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the director to think about.
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Yeah, and it makes sense that they have these co
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ed bathrooms where they're showering and all, and it's like
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it's not a sexual thing. It's just like they're all
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in there.
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Mess, it's a.
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Bathhouse, but it's co ed. Yeah, we're at the gym
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whenever we're in the locker room. They're living in the future.
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So at the very beginning there's a universal logo, but
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instead of the Earth in the logo, they had the
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planet Kaprica.
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I did not notice that.
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It's one of those subtle things they slip in there.
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The movie intercuts new footage with existing footage of her.
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Most scenes utilize different angles and a different edit to
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avoid it feeling like a clip show. Katie Sakoff and
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Mary McDonald were not available for this production, so their
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characters do not make do not appear in any new footage.
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Who's Mary McDonald President Rosin. Oh, she was not even
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in this movie at all. I don't remember seeing a
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mention of her.
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I don't think there's any scenes of her speaking at least,
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no nothing. Yeah. Lucy Lawless was also unavailable for this production,
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and the role they were going to have for was
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replaced with the Number six was working with cavil aboard
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the Galactica. Also, they reference her in the movie being
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because she's doing that documentary during the show, so like
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they kind of Offan mentioned that cavill let her go
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do her own thing. She was document And the actress
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that played Sushan, who's part of Anders Cruse, she's the
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one that was taken to the farm during that episode
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along with Starbuck. She was unavailable and she was recast.
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Nobody noticed, sorry Sushan.
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And director Edward James almost stated that he made several
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homages to the nineteen forty eight movie The Boy with
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Green Hair, which starred a then twelve year old Dean Stockwell.
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Dean Stockwell's the actor that plays cavil Oh.
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That's interesting, So a movie about him has lots of
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references when he was obviously a very young man.
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Yeah, so that's what that young boy in the movie
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in this movie was kind of being.
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Portrayed it in like, yeah, like scenes from that movie.
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Yeah, and he said he wanted to give that kid
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green hair, but no one else was on board with it.
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Yeah, it would have been okay if that was like
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an established reality. And in the Battlestar Galactica universe, where
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people had crazy hair, Yeah, which would have been really
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cool as part of like the visual dynamic of the
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show in general, I would have loved to see people
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with like purple green, like crazy hair, but like be normal,
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like working at a job, Like part of the presidential
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cabinet has like green hair.
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Like on the Simpsons they have blue hair and it's
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just normal.
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Yeah, or even like thinking of the fifth element and
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how that Leelu has like that bright orange hair but
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she blends in mostly other than she's like Mila Jocko
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Rich or whatever her name is, and she's like a
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gorgeous woman. But there's so many gorgeous women in that universe.
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Oh my god, I love that. Okay, but yeah, I
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would have liked that like futuresh like present but future
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kind of melding. And then that would have been like
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totally okay to see a little boy with green hair,
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because like there's a bunch of kids with colorful rainbow hair.
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What else?
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Jason close up shots of the rubble on Python are
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actually the remains of the Battle Stars Hangar Bay, set
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shortly after it was struck and bulldozed. Wow, because the effects, huh,
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they were shooting this kind of as things are getting
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torn down. As we also mentioned that when we were
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talking about the web series with Gata The Face of
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the Enemy, those are being shot kind of at the
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same time, and they were tearing down the sets and
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trying to get the shots done before that. And speaking
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at the two thousand and nine San Diego Comic Con,
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Edward James almost stated he believes there'll be several more
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Battlestar Galactica movies in the future, and it's confident that
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the DVD release of the Plan will sell well enough
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to facilitate these films.
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And he was wrong.
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I thought that it was funny to put in.
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There because he was so confident. Dang, y'all needed you
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all were ripping the dvdvo you probably like downloaded onlin
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wire or something right.
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Deep space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
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on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
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through email or social media. We may use your comments
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on an upcoming episode.
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Okay, So I do want to talk about how they
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intercut old like shots into the show into the movie,
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and I was so confused because Chief was skinny again
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and I was like, I thought they couldn't get shots
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from back in the day because he was like he
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gained so much weight, and I'm like, how did they
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get this shot? And when you said that, I was like, oh, okay,
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so they like recycled because they shot the show from
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so many angles and they did all these scenes that
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there's that shit's.
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Just a yeah yeah. I mean he definitely reshot some
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stuff with him. I mean there's whole storylines with him
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and added to this.
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Yeah, And you can tell there's been a passage of time.
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But in the very beginning, he's still like skinny Chief
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and I'm like, what's going on? But I would have
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I wouldn't mind if they reshot hit. I think he
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looks pretty similar still, regardless of I don't know how
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much weight he put on, but it's not that big
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as noticeable enough like.
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When you see him for the first time in like
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that like season one shot, like whoa, that's like a
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babyface Chief tier.
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Yeah. But then when he's like in the scene with
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that girl after they find out that her husband was
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a Cylon, he's definitely more weathered and definitely the Chief
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were used to. But I'm like, it's not that different,
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and I'm glad that he had a role in this
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that was outside of his like Cylon Daddy role.
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Yeah, there's just like a really good job of matching
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all the continuity. Like there's shots that are added in there.
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They're like if you're not really studying it, like you
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would not know that that was shot years later. Yeah,
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and including with the same actors. They're like matching their
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facial hair and makeup and lipstick and everything.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it's really well done. In some locations, I read
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like we're not available anymore. They had to like remake
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locations or find a new place that looks close enough.
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Wow. I think they did really good job, like with
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the continuity of the show. That was something that I
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literally had no idea how they did it because some
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of the shots felt so fresh and like I didn't
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recognize them, but I knew that they were from the
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beginning of the show, and I'm like, how did they
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do that? I seriously thought I was looking at some
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CGI chief. I was like, wow, No, And I really
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like that they were giving us these perspectives on Caprica
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before the bombing, before the war initiated. From all of
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these other perspectives, I think one of the characters that
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is always getting the short end of the like storytelling
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stick though is toy?
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Yeah? I wrote that note down. I'm like because it
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was it was nice to see her at the beginning,
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like like, oh, we're going to follow all five of
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these cylons.
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Yeah, I'm going to figure out what her background is,
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what her deal is. She's just in a car and
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has a car accident, like.
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What Yeah, And I thought we would maybe get filled
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in on what she was doing during the first couple
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of seasons because she doesn't enter the storyline until like
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the end of season two. I think Billy dies. So
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I'm like, what was she doing on the fleet? Yeah,
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like during that time, where would she How did she
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get on? Like I would have loved to see her
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get rescued and put in a colony and you know,
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having them find a role for her like something, But
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I don't. It was just sad that she didn't get
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any She barely got any lines. I think her one
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line was like talking about how easy it was to
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go from one place to another on the car phone
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or whatever, Like what somebody had to explain the transportation
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dynamics on Caprica? How else would we know?
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Yeah, it's like it takes an hour, the bus runs
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every hour, the shuttle runs every hour or whatever. I
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was like, wow, that's her only line in this whole movie,
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and she's one of the final five.
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Yeah, I was upset. Meanwhile, Andrews was all over this thing.
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Oh yeah, Andres like was a shining star. Like they
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were like, don't you ever forget that this guy used
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to be a professional pyramid player turned rebel leader. Ever
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forget that before he was a baldy in a sack
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of goo. He was a leader through and.
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Through, even when they had a coach.
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Yeah, the coach didn't know what to do. He's like,
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I don't know, what do you think? Andres, I'm like, dude,
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that's not coach energy. Okay, you're not giving coach energy
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right now. Uh. But yeah, Andre's definitely had a lot
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of teaching to do, apparently because they pick up Cavil.
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Oh.
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I love that scene though, where they figure out the
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Silons are people. Yeah, and I love that they used
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car salesman guy. Yeah, what is he? Number four?
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No, Simon's number four. Doral would be.
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Well either way, he's obviously like number zero because he's
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left in charge of cleaning up dead bodies and He
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even says, we shouldn't be doing this, it should be
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the centurions.
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Yeah, and it makes more sense. I never explain why.
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Well, the centurions can do it better, probably because like
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they're bigger, they're probably like able to move bodies more
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in a more effective way. And these silons that are
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in a human body have human responses. And you can't
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tell me that a pile of dead, rotting corpses is
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going to be pleasant to be around for another person
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who has the ability to smell and see and and
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and and just be around that. I feel like that
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was just a poor like project management like decision, Like
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I would have put the centurions on that too.
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Well, even not just like the the emotional response, but
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like physically, like they're wearing face masks.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like they're they're they're people,
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they're they That's not the right thing for them to
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be dealing with. I don't think that's like healthy. Yeah,
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I think the centurions should have been able, should have
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been the ones to do that, but conveniently they weren't.
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And they were they look like COVID responsors, like they
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were responding to a COVID outbreak because they were wearing
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a face mask and that little like pajama onesie that
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the healthcare workers were wearing for a while, and when
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they all starting off their face masks and you can
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I don't like, that's a really bad idea. And I
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wish there would have been like a literal gag response
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where they like took off the masks. Oh my god,
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why are the centurions doing this? That would have been
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really good. I feel like the director could have just
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thought about it a little more, like why are they
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so upset? Give me motivation? But then Cavel's with them
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and he like throws himself down on the pile, and
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when they all get murdered except for him, he's like,
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help me. What a clever bitch?
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Right?
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I was like, damn, he's a fucking niacal asshole. And
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they take him up and they pick him up and
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they're like, oh, that's nothing suspicious about this. You don't
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even have any broken bones or blood on you. You're
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completely clean.
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He's like, I was just playing possum so that they
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wouldn't hurt me.
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Yeah, no, I don't believe it. I'm sorry I saw them.
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There was the foot that they showed of the centurions
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just shooting people in cars, like double tapping, making sure
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everybody was dead. That was like, okay, so why aren't
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you dead, dude? Like, I'm sure they didn't miss and
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I would have been helldless suspicious, but nobody was like,
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They're like, we got a survivor, hurry up, help him.
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And Carol like starts talking to onders about punishment and
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whether or not the human race deserved this, and Andres
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is like, I don't think so man like people as people.
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I feel like Andres has like a very genuine do
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gooder mindset, and Cavel is like so jaded and kind
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of a dick that he doesn't understand Anders' perspective at all,
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and a part of him hates him for it, and
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another part of him is so curious about it because
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it's so far removed from anything he's ever heard. It's
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almost like Cavil is experiencing like different worldviews for the
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first time ever, and however long he's been alive, it
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sounds like everybody's agreed with him. Everybody's like listen to him,
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everybody's like followed his orders, and now he's in a
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place where he's vulnerable and he can't out himself. He
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can't kill anyone like outright without like becoming a suspicious
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person and outing himself. So all he can do is listen,
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and he's having a hard time comprehending, and he's like
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talking about it, like why are you still in Like
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I don't understand love, I don't understand mourning. I don't
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understand grief, and Anders is like so bothered by him.
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He's like, we're in the middle of a war. We're
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walking through the woods trying not to get fucking murdered.
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What the fuck is wrong with you? Of course you're
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gonna love the people who die, and that seems like
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such a human thing, like, of course we're gonna mourn
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those who have been lost and we're going to continue
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to love them. But that is such an alien thing
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that is so human to Cavil that he doesn't understand it.
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And I think that's why he's like processing that sentence
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trying to destroy Starbucks, the thing that Anders loves, and
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has the opportunity to shoot her right in the face,
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and he doesn't take And I'm like, that's that's like
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growth and development and something that I like to see.
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I wish it was done a little more carefully, like
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instead of them walking through the woods and being like,
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oh I would to here kid, kind of like you
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know what I mean. Like there wasn't like a deep discussion.
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It was just like them kind of going back and
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forth in the middle of the woods, in the middle
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of like doing something else. It could have been the
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conversation they had when he was doing confession or something,
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but I don't know. It was interesting, and I think
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this is why, like it's I think it's interesting that
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they picked Cavell to be the main character of this
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show or this movie.
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Yeah, because we have two Cavills who kind of started
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the same place in the different points, and.
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The other one obviously he has the same aspirations of
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like foiling the humans. They both had this initial plan
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to wipe out the human race and one thing they
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didn't count on. And I think Cavil called them this.
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He called him a cockroach, like the cockroaches, and I
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00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:18.640
was like, oh, that's kind of really telling of how
485
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.039
he feels about humans. And he's so like, they try
486
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.400
to annihilate the human race and they are still surviving,
487
00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:30.000
They are still living in this colony in this on
488
00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:34.039
this Earth, and so Carol in the colony knows that
489
00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:37.400
he's vulnerable, but he's still a public figure, it seems like,
490
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:40.640
because he has like a chapel and like he puts
491
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:44.119
up flyers and stuff, and they call him in to
492
00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:46.400
talk to chief, to be a priest.
493
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:50.400
Yeah, because he he puts up those flyers knowing that
494
00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:52.440
all the Cylons would see.
495
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.240
Them, right, it's a Cylon dog whistle. And he's trying
496
00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.960
to figure out like a way to continue the mission,
497
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.799
the mission being to destroy all humans in mankind, and
498
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:08.319
eventually it becomes destroying a dama because he's the representative
499
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:14.519
for Galactica. Galactica is the leader of the colony, and
500
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:19.240
he thinks, maybe rightfully so, that by destroying this ship
501
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:25.599
or this captain or whatever admiral, that it will destroy
502
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:28.359
the fleet. And I don't know, I don't know if
503
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:31.799
that's true, because I feel like humans they are like cockroaches.
504
00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:37.240
You can't kill them right away. Like they're they're sturdy,
505
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:39.640
they're hearty, they're they're gonna find a way.
506
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.799
But well, we kind of we come to see that,
507
00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:46.759
you know, the plan as they called it throughout the
508
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:51.000
entire series was really just more of improvising these little
509
00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:54.759
attack primmages, Yeah, trying to like they're these ones on
510
00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:57.440
the fleet are outnumbered, so they have to do like
511
00:26:57.680 --> 00:26:59.599
little either subtle things.
512
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:04.759
Orrilla style where you're like wearing a suicide vest and
513
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.839
you're trying to kill everybody within like a I don't
514
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.200
know what was it like ten meters radius?
515
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:14.119
I like that. Later they said he did minor damage
516
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:15.000
to a minor hallway.
517
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.720
Yeah, and it was weird to me that it went
518
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.640
the fire bomb went everywhere except that side hallway that
519
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:24.920
Adama went into, Like it only went in one direction
520
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:25.799
down the hallway.
521
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:27.839
We all know fire doesn't turn corners.
522
00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:33.480
Yeah, but I thought it was really interesting that like
523
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.440
he kept insisting that he's in charge and that he's
524
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:41.599
the leader, and that he is going to give orders,
525
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:46.400
and he gives orders two very reluctant cylons. The only
526
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:49.480
ones who don't seem to be very reluctant are the
527
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.799
Brunette six, who's like sleeping with him. Yeah, he basically
528
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:57.400
drives these cylons to death, like they don't want to
529
00:27:57.440 --> 00:27:59.559
fuck with him anymore. They want to do what he
530
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:02.640
says because he knows they know that it's like what's
531
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:05.759
needed or what's supposed to be part of the plan.
532
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.839
But like Simon, I think his storyline was so interesting
533
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.319
that he's like he saw the flyer and he's like,
534
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:14.559
that's shitting for me. Dude, I got a wife, I
535
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:19.039
got a step daughter. I'm part of like the life
536
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:23.279
saving crew on the Galactica. Or maybe he's on another ship.
537
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:25.640
That's not clear. Apparently he lives on a ship.
538
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:28.000
Yeah, they're living on another ship. But I guess his
539
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:29.640
wife works on Galactica.
540
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.000
So is there like a shuttle she takes every day?
541
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:32.720
It must be.
542
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:34.039
They don't explain that.
543
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:36.400
I wish they would have everyone that worked in that
544
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:38.799
hangar deck would need to live on Galactica.
545
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:41.400
That's what I thought. That's what I seriously thought. That's
546
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.680
why I was so confused. And then when he was
547
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:46.519
mad at her that she was late, I'm like, dude,
548
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:48.519
she's coming in from another ship.
549
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.559
By the way, Aaron Doryle is number five five five
550
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.200
is a lot Leo Win's number two, and Simon is four.
551
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:57.319
Who's number one?
552
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:01.240
Cavil Oh, yeah, yeah, he didn't get up for Yeah.
553
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:05.240
This whole thing of like annihilating humanity is just his
554
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:06.640
like petty jealousy.
555
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.440
Yeah. Yeah, mommy and daddy didn't love me.
556
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:13.799
Ye, his two mommies and three daddies.
557
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:17.599
Yeah, but like he said that all of the humans
558
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:22.119
are dad's and moms. Yes, so the humans didn't like
559
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:26.720
you either. That was interesting too, to say that Adama
560
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.960
was her father, as all human men are her father,
561
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.799
and it was interesting. I liked it. I thought it
562
00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:36.960
was cool. And again, I think I felt really bad
563
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.640
for Simon because he was like put against his life
564
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:46.720
and his stability, and he even broke that by turning
565
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:50.000
to alcohol to try to cope with it, and it
566
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:53.440
didn't seem to work. So then he decided he was
567
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:56.319
going to do something about it. And at first I
568
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:58.759
thought he was going to listen to Cavil. I thought
569
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:03.000
he was preparing to like terminate this ship. And I'm like,
570
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:06.839
I don't remember them ever having like a ship explode.
571
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:08.920
Right, But I'm also like, I don't remember them ever
572
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:10.400
mentioning this ship before.
573
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:14.839
Yeah. So he's in the dark with like a flashlight
574
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:17.759
on his mouth or neck or something. I don't remember
575
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:19.839
where the flashlight was coming from. But he's in the
576
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.319
dark and he's working these wires and trying to do
577
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:27.000
this thing and then you find like it backs away
578
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:30.759
and it just it's it's an what's it called the AirPod?
579
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:31.519
Air lock?
580
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:35.279
The airlock? What's an AirPod? Oh, it's the earphones.
581
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:38.119
Okay, he puts his ads in.
582
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:44.680
And it's the final countdown. No, but he's like jettisoned
583
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.799
out basically. And I think it's really interesting the way
584
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:51.279
that they did his makeup as he was like floating
585
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:55.119
away with the like white out eyes and the sad
586
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:58.359
look on his face and like, I don't know he
587
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:00.960
said he They said he left a note which is
588
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:05.240
like really sad too. Like there was an investigation and
589
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:07.839
they're like, how did a doctor know how to operate
590
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:10.359
an airlock? And I'm like, well he didn't. It looks
591
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:13.559
like he tried to figure it out, right, He figured
592
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:14.440
it out somehow.
593
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:15.480
It took him a while.
594
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.720
And the thing is it was interesting that they did
595
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.799
that for him, but then they never looked up or
596
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:28.559
researched the airlock that kept the six was airlocked out
597
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:31.640
of that CAVLL just flipped a switch on, right, and
598
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.799
that was just like in a random hallway, so like,
599
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:39.000
and I was like, why is there such a discrepancy
600
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:44.480
about like airlock technology and where these airlocks are. Maybe
601
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:47.799
that ship is different than the Galactica. But I feel
602
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:51.079
like on the Galactica, when Calli was taken out of
603
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.720
the airlock, they like were able to look at the
604
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:56.799
records and see that the airlock was like jettison from
605
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:58.200
the inside or whatever.
606
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:02.160
Yeah, well, able to look at like who who locked
607
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.440
in access or card whatever was used?
608
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:04.839
Yeah.
609
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.039
Yeah, So but I'm guessing, like I don't think you
610
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:11.680
can like typically airlock yourself from inside, So I think
611
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.000
that's maybe why he was doing so much rewiring.
612
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.960
Yeah, but then why did they write off Calli's is like, oh,
613
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:21.240
she was drunk and dumb. It was like, I don't know,
614
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:23.880
there's a lot of plot holes here that need to
615
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.359
be investigated. With this airlock situation, I feel like they
616
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.440
should have thought about it a little bit more, especially
617
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.960
if they're going to show Cavil airlockin a six. Just
618
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:35.680
willy nilly, That's all I'm saying.
619
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:40.319
But yeah, they do explain a few moments from the
620
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.559
first season that were kind of never explained in the episodes,
621
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.759
like what happened to that number six and she fell in.
622
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:49.960
Love with Baltar obviously, as all number sixes tend to do,
623
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.880
except for the number six that was sleeping with Cavil.
624
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:56.519
That was so gross. Anytime anybody engages with Cavel is
625
00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:57.160
nasty loough.
626
00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:59.559
Yeah, why is there so much like sex with Cavil?
627
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:04.000
Like everybody was like Ellen Ty was flirting with him
628
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:07.839
as she was eating olives, showing off her booty, and
629
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:12.480
then Sharon kissed him ill Yeah, and.
630
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:14.920
That kind of like shows us where the start of
631
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.400
like the boomer Cavil relationship was.
632
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:21.039
Yeah, and that was also very gross and manipulative, and
633
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:23.920
like she was obviously trying to tell him like I
634
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.119
can't do this, and he's like, fuck you, you're doing it.
635
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:31.160
And as he was leading her on romantically, he was
636
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.079
also fucking the other number six. That's three different sexy
637
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.039
ladies that were all over Cavil, and that made me grow.
638
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:44.680
I feel like Edward James almost was like I got you, buddy,
639
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:51.279
But yeah, I think the Cavil on Galactica had tried
640
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.200
more and so instead of listening, instead of having like
641
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:59.759
a human interaction, he was isolated. He was on his own.
642
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:04.920
He was like creating plans that continuously failed, and so
643
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:09.960
where one Cavil turned to understanding the other Cavil turned
644
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:14.119
to resentment, and it was weird when he just stabbed
645
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.599
that little boy. I thought maybe there was going to
646
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.719
be like a moment of clarity where he's like, oh,
647
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:23.000
humans aren't bad, but he's like, humans are trash, and
648
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.480
he's like, and they're very pliable. Boot boom, and he
649
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.039
stabs that little boy with a knife that looks like
650
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:30.880
a prop from high school play.
651
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.920
The n'n it pretty much.
652
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.159
It looked like a prop from a high school play
653
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:41.559
and the little boy iconic death scene. He just went
654
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:42.800
PLoP prop.
655
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:44.400
It was so good.
656
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.320
I would think this was my favorite death besides the
657
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.320
Share and death with a Cali, which they replayed, and
658
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:53.920
I thought that was like really touching and moving that
659
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.159
they showed share and die again and showing her humanity
660
00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:59.159
coming back to her because she said she lost it
661
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:00.000
when she shot a dye.
662
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.679
Yeah, so we learn quite a bit more about what
663
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:07.519
was going on with her as a sleeper agent because
664
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.679
in the series we never saw what happened when she.
665
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:12.199
Was in Sylon mode.
666
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.960
Yeah, and she wasn't under her deep cover because we
667
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:18.719
never really knew, like was did she have another like
668
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.800
personality like she does in that we saw in this
669
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:23.639
movie or was she just like in a like a
670
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:26.239
drone state like a Yeah.
671
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:29.280
I seriously when I first watched the movie or the show,
672
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.440
I mean I thought it wasn't her. I thought someone
673
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:32.360
was fucking her.
674
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:34.760
Like setting her up. Yeah, like she wakes up ye
675
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.880
wa yeah, which, hey, Wet Sharon was back.
676
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:41.119
Wet Sharon is back. But yeah, I thought that somebody
677
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:43.039
was fucking with her. I was like, there is no
678
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:48.679
way that this cute Asian woman is like a Cylon, Like,
679
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:51.480
there's no way. But it turned out she was a
680
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:55.800
Cylon and she was a sleeper agent and apparently anytime
681
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.679
she had a conversation with Cavil she didn't remember it after.
682
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.719
Yeah, so they set up there's like that little trinket.
683
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:03.639
I think it was an elephant.
684
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:05.039
It was a wooden elephant.
685
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:09.239
Yeah, yeah, which I believe. In the series, when she's
686
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:12.400
living on Caprica, we see her she has elephants is
687
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:14.840
there as well? But yeah, so that's like what triggers
688
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:18.000
her to wake up. And we also we understand why
689
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:20.840
she didn't actually kill Adama when she could have, you know,
690
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:21.679
headshot him.
691
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:25.599
I guess, yeah, she's a subconscious part of her knew
692
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:29.000
that he would survive, that she just needed to get away,
693
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.039
and Cally made that reality for her. Kelly wouldn't have
694
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:34.920
shot Sharon. She would have been in custody and she
695
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.920
would have never been available to do any other of
696
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:42.480
Cavill's bidding, Like when Laura Roslind escaped. It was interesting
697
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:46.880
how that one action changed the trajectory of that character.
698
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.360
But it was really good to see Sharon again, Like,
699
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.119
and I was sad for her when she got shot,
700
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:56.639
when she shot herself again, And I thought this show
701
00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:59.000
did this. It should have maybe came with the trigger
702
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:03.199
warning or something, because it talked a lot about suicidal ideations,
703
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:08.280
like when Chief and that other mechanic we're talking about,
704
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:11.199
like finding out if they were Cylons, and how She's like,
705
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.199
if I knew if I thought I was a Cylon,
706
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.639
this is what I would do. And I'm like, how
707
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.800
do you how do you know you're not a Cylon?
708
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.280
This must be something you always think about. Then nobody knows.
709
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:24.679
Well, it's something that Chief kept thinking about. Yeah, he
710
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.280
kept having those kind of dreams about throwing himself off
711
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:28.840
that ledge.
712
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:31.679
Yeah, and I think that was like, yeah, it was
713
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.679
well made and well put and like it's a very
714
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:40.159
interesting perspective to like there's like the Cylons don't have
715
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:43.920
a real death unless they're not near a resurrection ship.
716
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:48.719
Like Simon, he definitely committed suicide because he knew that
717
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:52.440
he wasn't going to resurrect, and that's like I feel
718
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:54.800
like that should have been dealt with in a way,
719
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:57.280
Like I feel like this show really needed to like
720
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:01.039
put out like you or your friends have issues or
721
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:04.320
you know, thoughts of suicide, you should call this hotline
722
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:06.800
because it's like you can't just touch on it and
723
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.840
not like address like that this is a real feeling
724
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:13.760
that people have in real life. Oh and the suicide hotline,
725
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.079
by the way is nine eight eight, So if you
726
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:20.559
or somebody you love or not even love somebody, you know,
727
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.480
if you know that they're having issues, you should share
728
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:25.960
that number. It's nine eight eight. I'm so happy that
729
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:27.519
they made it a three digit number.
730
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:28.239
Yeah.
731
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:32.320
I'm going to definitely criticize as a viewer because I
732
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.000
mean I've seen other shows that do it, and it's
733
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.239
really important to say, like, hey, even if you feel
734
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.400
like a Cylon, you deserve to live, Like sometimes that
735
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.000
is how you feel like you feel like you're not human,
736
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:48.000
Like there's nothing about you that is relatively worth saving
737
00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:51.760
or something, and that's not like enough to make you
738
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.559
do that, like stop think call the number.
739
00:38:55.599 --> 00:39:00.480
Well. Speaking of criticisms, mostly really great CGI, but there's
740
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:03.599
some really bad like water effects. In the beginning when
741
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:06.760
they were showing all the destruction on Kaprica, I was like,
742
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.639
whoa this cut to like a video game cut scene
743
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:10.039
or something.
744
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:14.719
Yeah, there was definitely some like really and I thought
745
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:18.079
it was really weird that they were like before and after,
746
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:22.360
before and after. So they showed you Caprica City and
747
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.880
then they showed it to you destroyed, and then they
748
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:28.599
showed you Python and then they showed it to you destroyed.
749
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.079
And I'm like, did you have to do that? You
750
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:34.800
could have just shown the destroyed version, But I think
751
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:38.800
they wanted a flex on like their graphics or something.
752
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:40.039
But it was weird.
753
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.679
One thing we got to see is that the Bay
754
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:45.920
Stars they can like rotate.
755
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:48.920
Oh yeah, they turned like a fucking fidget spinner.
756
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.199
Yeah, which is something we've never actually seen them do before,
757
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.400
but apparently that's they designed them to do that, they
758
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:57.880
just never like worked it into the show. Yeah, but
759
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.840
they can become I guess more aerodynamic to go to
760
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:01.719
the atmosphere.
761
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:04.159
Okay, sure, oh yeah.
762
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Checking my notes seat there's anything else here. There's a
763
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.599
shot in the very beginning when the final five are
764
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:12.719
in their resurrection chambers, and it looks a lot like
765
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:16.239
the show Dollhouse when they have those sleeping chambers are
766
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:17.159
like in the floor.
767
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:22.159
Yeah, the stupid at sleeping chambers and shall House where
768
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:23.599
people could walk over you.
769
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:27.320
Yep. And they even did like an overhead shot like
770
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:29.400
they do in that show. Yeah.
771
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:31.679
I thought it was interesting that they showed them all
772
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:34.480
five together. But then when you saw Ellen resurrect in
773
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.039
that move in the episode, she was all on her own.
774
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.039
Yeah, that was interesting. I guess they separated them.
775
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:42.800
I wonder if there's like a button or an alert,
776
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:47.000
like a little light that's like resurrection in progress.
777
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:48.559
Like data is downloading.
778
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.159
Yeah, and then they're like, okay, let's roll her out,
779
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:52.239
let's get her in a room.
780
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:56.280
Well, they're the original plan. The plan was that all
781
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:59.440
five of them were going to die in the attack.
782
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.840
Right, But people can't die like that. I mean, I
783
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.280
would have thought it would have been iconic if Tory
784
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.440
would have died in that car accident and she was
785
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:09.480
the first one to meet Cavil. That would have been
786
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:13.039
really cool. Yeah, but Ellen Tie was at the bar
787
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.599
at the Titty Bar day drinking when he was talking
788
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:19.760
to her, and he let her live because she hadn't
789
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.639
learned her lesson about life or something.
790
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:25.639
Yeah. He was really obsessed with them learning something.
791
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:29.199
Yeah. And the interesting thing is at the end, he's
792
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:32.199
the one who learned something that Cavil on Earth well
793
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:33.800
or on Caprica.
794
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:35.880
The Cavil that was with Ellen is the one that
795
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:39.320
ends up Bungalactica because he takes r oh yeah. Yeah,
796
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:41.800
and then he is the one that goes on to
797
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:43.719
become like the main villain of the series.
798
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:44.400
Yeah.
799
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:47.719
Presumably he boxes that other Cavil so that he's not
800
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.480
trying to be sympathetic.
801
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:50.599
Right, what a dick?
802
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.360
Yep. So that was the Tale of Two.
803
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:56.440
Cavils, also known as The Plan.
804
00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:59.679
Any other thoughts before we try to give out?
805
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:03.840
Oh, we're doing awards in this so okay, yeah, I'm done.
806
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:04.400
I'm good.
807
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:11.360
Astoral Queen who was the stand out character in the movie.
808
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:13.599
You're not gonna like my award.
809
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:15.239
I don't know who mine should be yet.
810
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:23.440
I'm gonna give my award to the bare breasted bartender. Yeah,
811
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:26.239
she was bartending with her breasts out. That must be
812
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:29.360
so hard. You have to shake those bottles, you know,
813
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:37.440
for those drinks. Some of them are on fire. No, no,
814
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:43.679
I'm just kidding. That would have been a good one though. Yeah. No,
815
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:50.880
I'm gonna give my award to Ponders. I think he's,
816
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:55.199
you know, like the golden retriever of the show, and
817
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:58.519
he's just like doing his thing and having a good time,
818
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:03.400
feeling regret and mourning the losses, feeling responsibility, but still
819
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:07.000
taking on a very difficult role and teaching dumbass Cawl
820
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:07.679
along the way.
821
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:10.199
Yeah. They did a really good job with showing what
822
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:12.679
he was up to before we met him in the show.
823
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:18.400
Unlike Toy, I kind of want to give my astral
824
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:20.280
Queen vote to Simon.
825
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:22.239
Oh yeah, that's a really good one.
826
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.800
Simon on Galactica specifically.
827
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:27.159
No, he was not on Galactica. He was on that
828
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:27.719
other show.
829
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:29.639
Oh yeah, Simon in the Fleet.
830
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.280
Yeah, that's a really good one. I'm glad that they
831
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.559
gave him like a backstory. I really like that because
832
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:39.559
he was just like a cold medical background character.
833
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.239
Yeah, we really never saw anything else from him in
834
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:43.719
the show.
835
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.159
They gave him dimension and depth and I thought that
836
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.199
was really good. All right, any spoilers, I guess we're
837
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.280
done with spoilers if you're listening to this in order.
838
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.199
Well, no, there can't be any spoilers because there's I mean,
839
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:56.840
unless we spoiled the spinoffs.
840
00:43:56.920 --> 00:44:00.320
But yeah, there's no spinoffs as of yet, right, No, they.
841
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.559
Spin offs like Kaprica.
842
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:03.920
Oh, I haven't seen that. There's no way I can
843
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:05.599
spoil something I never seen.
844
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.639
But we have to look at who the Astral Queens
845
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:12.239
are for season four and for the entire series. Let
846
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:15.159
me just add in the ones we just did. All right,
847
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.320
bebe the season four Astral queen, and he guesses who
848
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:22.920
that might be. Starbuck is not Starbuck? Who is it?
849
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:27.599
It is the admiral with quite the lead. He got
850
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.079
eight times he won the Astral Queen this season.
851
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:34.079
He's been doing a lot, you know. Yeah, he acted
852
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.760
his ass off and now he's the director of the plan. Congrats.
853
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:43.280
Yeah, And the four characters tied for second place, Roslin, Gata, Chief, Tyroll,
854
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:43.880
and Anders.
855
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:50.800
That's a lot of people for second place. I feel
856
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:53.599
like they should have like a vote to see who
857
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.159
at least is the top.
858
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:59.679
Like a runoff. Yeah, but now now that we are
859
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:01.760
at the the end of the series, we can see
860
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.559
who was the overall astral Queen of Battlestar Galactica.
861
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:06.440
Who is it?
862
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:12.639
Oh? There were seventy nine episodes slash movies webisodes, which
863
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:14.760
means with both of us voting, there's one hundred and
864
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:18.039
fifty eight votes for astral queens and thirty characters in
865
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:21.000
total received the award. Actually, I think that's thirty one
866
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.840
now because I just voted for s Simon. The season
867
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:27.840
one astral queen was Starbuck, season two was Duala, season
868
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.639
three was Apollo. In season four we just said was
869
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:36.119
William Medama. So for the overall astral queen with seventeen awards,
870
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:37.639
is once again the Admiral.
871
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.480
Of course, he's got to stay on top. That was
872
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:46.280
so interesting that Duala was such a prominent character that
873
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:49.599
just fell off without warning. There was like, it was
874
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:51.079
really shitty the way they did her.
875
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:55.039
Yeah, I kind of wrote down some trends for our
876
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:58.960
astral queen voting. Duala had no votes in season one,
877
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:02.119
and then seas and two she was the top one
878
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:04.199
that had eight votes, and then kind of fell off
879
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:09.519
from there. Starbuck was in second place, one behind the
880
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:12.719
Admiral sixteen votes, and most of her votes she got
881
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:14.079
in season one, and she was.
882
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.199
Still a rambunctious little pilot.
883
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.440
Yeah, and then she really kind of fell off and
884
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:21.800
just got a few votes each season. Baltar's the most
885
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.920
popular season with season two. I kind of thought that
886
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:27.400
I'd be voting for him more in season four, just
887
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:29.360
because I kind of liked that part of his arc,
888
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:30.639
but didn't pan out that way.
889
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:34.360
Yeah, there were more people that were doing more admirable
890
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:39.199
admiral things. I was kind of sad that there wasn't
891
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:42.440
a lot of Baltar in the movie, considering he had
892
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:45.599
such a big part in the whole downfall of the
893
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:46.320
human race.
894
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:49.239
Yeah. I could be wrong, but I'm not thinking there
895
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:50.760
was any like new footage of him.
896
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:53.199
I don't remember seeing any new footage of him.
897
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:57.480
Admiral Dama's most popular season was season four, and Lea
898
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:01.679
Dama's most popular season season three. President Roslin received no
899
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:04.679
votes in season three because that's what happens when you
900
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:08.760
tried to ban abortions.
901
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:13.960
I mean, yeah, people will vote against you, They will
902
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:15.440
pray for your downfall.
903
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.679
And both Gaeta and Chief Tyrrel had their most popular
904
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:21.480
season in season four. Yeah, so Adama was the overall.
905
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:26.639
Second place was Starbuck, third place was Baltar, and fourth
906
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:30.960
place was tied with Sharon and Duwala. I will say, Sharon,
907
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:34.559
I think that's counting votes for both Boomer and Athena.
908
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.119
So if you actually separate those characters are probably both
909
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:41.159
lower then Apollo with eleven votes, Roslin with ten votes,
910
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:42.679
and then goes down from there.
911
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:43.159
Cool.
912
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:47.280
But that is the results of the Astral Queen Award.
913
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.760
All right, all right, anything else, We're done.
914
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.360
I believe that wraps up our coverage of Battlestar Galactica.
915
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:56.760
I hope at one point we're going to drop back
916
00:47:56.800 --> 00:48:00.840
in and look at Kaprica and the move Blood and Chrome.
917
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.159
But until then, this is the end of this franchise
918
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.519
for us, and it's been a fun three years diving
919
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.719
into it, doing a deep space dive. So thanks to
920
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:14.840
everyone who listened and watched along or followed us in
921
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any way, shape or form.
922
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.519
Thanks for coming. Y'all have fun, love you bye, So
923
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:20.039
say we.
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All thank you for spacing out with Bib and Jason.
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