Sacred Jedi Texts - The Old Republic: Annihilation Novel Discussion

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Carabass and Bright Suns, we are back with another episode
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of Sacred Jedi Texts, where we are covering the final
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book in the Old Republic series, Annihilation. But first... As
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the beast messages, we'll be right back.
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Annihilation It's time for the podcast.
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The Sacred Jedi Text!
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Welcome back, my fellow Sith Lords. I'm Hayley Hobbs.
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And I'm Brian V. Klein.
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And this is Source Pages, but it's Sacred Jedi Text version,
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where we also have our fellow council member, James Hewings,
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with us.
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Hi, James.
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Hello there.
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And normally we read comics and novels as primers for
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geeky TV shows and movies. But on the Sacred Jedi Texts,
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we are working through the Legends Old Republic. And we're
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finally at the end of that specific part of the
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gazillions of Legends books that exist. Right.
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Annihilation! Annihilation! It is the final of the old prequel series.
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Darth books, if you want to call it that, because
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we'd started, if you remember, with Revan, which was actually
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in this series. And then I look at it now,
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we basically, all we've been doing is reading Drew Karpish
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and stuff because five of the eight books we've read
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are Karpish. But he's one of the, I mean, he
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is the main guy I wish that they would bring
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back into writing novels. We've been talking a lot about
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it lately on So Weird, So Fun and some other podcasts.
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And I do, when we bring up Star Wars comics
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and books, The only word that I could use to
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describe it is handcuffed. They can't tell much of a
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story that is going to be very detrimental or long-lasting
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because they're afraid and they're not given the reins to
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be able to do whatever they want because it's all
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canon now. Back in the days when they were doing
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the EU and the Legends and stuff, they could just
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do whatever they want. And this territory is so fertile
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because it's so many years before the movies, which to me,
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Anything that doesn't appear in movies and it's this far back,
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this is headcanon how it is. This is literally what
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happened before the movies anyway.
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I agree with you to an extent. The canon books
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are hit or miss. Did you finally finish Legacy, the
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new one? See, I didn't like it. And every time
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I think about it some more, I'm like, yeah, I
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just didn't like that book. But then like... the YA
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romance one that came out, Eyes Like Stars, I thought
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was great. And maybe it's the difference between having characters,
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like the legacy characters versus characters that are new. Because
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if you think about the High Republic, like that was
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kind of Legends-ish and that it's all these new people
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and characters and new timeline and stuff like that. So
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they had more freedom. I don't know. I just, it's
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kind of like for everyone that comes out, I don't
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like the next one or something.
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I don't know.
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It's strange.
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I think there's, There's an element of, I really enjoyed
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the YA novels for the High Republic overall, probably more
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than the main novels.
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They were more linear. They stuck to one story.
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And they also really stuck the landing more often than
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the main novels did. I found the main novels, again,
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kind of felt a little bit handcuffed to telling a
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specific story, whereas you could kind of branch out and
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kind of go do weird things and mention what was
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happening up here in the, in the adult novels. But
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then you could just go and have fun. And we got,
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we got Venestra, we got Geode, we got, we got
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all sorts of great stuff from, from the YA novels.
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And I just thought they were absolutely fantastic. I'm actually
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yet to really listen to a YA novel that I
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really don't care about. Cause I don't, really like to
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say I don't like a Star Wars book it's just
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this one I don't really care about and I'm struggling
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with legacy at the moment it's just.
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Nothing's happening it's repetitive nothing's happening and it's just.
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And guess what spoiler alert nothing does.
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Happen sorry to whoever.
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Wrote that book I forget it's just one of those
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things of just like oh Rey's sad oh Leia doesn't
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really know what to do which is not which is
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not which is not, she's not Leia. Leia always knew
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what to do. It might not be the right thing,
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but she had a plan.
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Yeah.
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The characterizations can be awful. I remember feeling that way
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with sanctuary about the bad batch where it was like,
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I like this in concept, but these characters, characterizations are
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just kind of not quite right. And if it's not
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with purpose, what are you doing?
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It's like, um, I don't know if you remember how active, um,
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it was reading the new Jedi order. And then after that,
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when Darth Cadis came about, which was Jason and they
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were just calling him Gino because it was Jason in
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name only because it was such a different, there was
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a lot of the times when you have people that
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get thrown into something and they don't know the, like the,
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the crux of what a character is. It's kind of like, Where,
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where is this going? Why is this doing that? Which
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is one of the things you brought up too about,
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I think it was the first book in the third
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phase of the high Republic, like the adult novel. I
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literally took me four or five times to restart in
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that novel because I would be listening to it. And
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then like two hours in, I go, I don't know
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what I, I got so unfocused from it because nothing
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was happening. And the stuff that was happening, it was
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just sort of like, I feel like I'm listening to
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CNN or something. It's inconsequential. And I think that's why
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a lot of the times where I've been trying to
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get my scratch itched with the books is going back.
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I just finished The Rogue Squadron. I finished how they've
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done up to the abridged the unabridged versions. I think
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they've got one left to do in the original run because, um,
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but those books were so good. And even though I've
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never been a big fan of them trying to describe
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in prose form, dog fighting Alston and stack pole did
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a great job of it. Um, they got a lot
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of the writers from the old EU stack poles. One
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of them, Carpician Lucino, um, I mentioned Alston, and then
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a second later, I remembered, I'm like, okay, he died.
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He actually died at a convention that he was at
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overnight when he was in a panel talking about this stuff,
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because he did all the Wraith Squadron stuff. And he
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also did... It was always when they were coming out
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with books, it seems like after the New Jedi Order,
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they cut it down to either a trilogy of stories
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or a nine-part, like Darkness was three. Yeah, but it
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was always three.
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Authors, if you did one book, one, you did book
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four and seven and two did two, five and eight
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and three, six and nine. And there's sometimes when I
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forgot what it was, when I think it was Alston
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Denning and Travis, the stories could not be more different
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than each one of them. It was like, you have
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three trilogies in between because Travis kept going back to
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the Mandalorians and it had nothing to do with the
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rest of the story. And I'm like, what am I reading?
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I mean, it was cool and interesting, but it was
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just like, There wasn't a lot of connection, but at
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least the stories were interesting. The one drawback, and I
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even felt victim to it with The High Republic, was
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not ingesting everything at the time in order to get
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into the next thing. Because I'm like, what the hell
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happened to the drain gear? Oh, that was taken care
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of in this other story, in the comics, and this
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and that. It reminds me, they fell victim of gravitas
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the same way I think the MCU did with the
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movies connecting to the tv like you have to ingest
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everything to get to the next part that doesn't work
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at all right no our diehard fans will do it
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but diehard fans aren't the guys that are spending almost
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like a billion dollars right now to see like spider-man
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brand new day in america because although i've met a
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couple people that have never seen they're like oh everyone's
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seen this movie i'm gonna go see it i haven't
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seen anything since endgame and then they're like what the
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hell happened to Peter Parker? We'll go see the last movie.
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Not saying no way home is wild behavior.
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Yeah. I'll be honest. I haven't seen brand new day yet. Um,
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but that's because I've, I've been busy.
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Um, you're the one person in America or in England
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that hasn't because the amount of money that that thing's made,
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holy cannoli.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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But going back to what you were saying about, um,
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sort of the cadence thing, I was almost the complete opposite.
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I read Legacy of the Force. Is that the series?
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That's the second to last. Hold on.
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Yeah, the one where he becomes Cadus.
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Okay.
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That nine book series. I read that and then went
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back and read New Jedi Order. So I had the
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different perception of Jason. Yeah, because Legacy of the Force
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came back.
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Cause it went new Jedi order. Then they decided to
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do dark nest quest quick, which was Troy Denning and
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then legacy of the forest. was alston travis denning which
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is the one where all the travis books were focused
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on the mandalorian culture and then fate of the jedi
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was christy golden halston and denning and that's the.
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One i'm reading at the moment with todd um but.
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Yeah that's the one that that focuses back in with
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like the the.
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Um It's how Jason became Cadus, but obviously keeping the
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conclusion of Legacy of the Force. So it's Luke and
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Ben going off and recreating his five-year journey and encountering Abeloth, etc.
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Right, which has a tie-in to the Mortis.
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Yes, if anyone wants to hear a breakdown of the
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first five or six books. Go check out my podcast
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with Todd.
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Before we tell you the annihilation, we obviously, since Hayley
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and I talk on every week about stuff, what was
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your reaction to the trailer for Ahsoka season two?
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Squee. I was very, very excited. I really, I really,
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really have high hopes for this show. And I am very,
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very excited. It was the, the, the trailer itself gave
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me so many warm and fuzzy feelings. And I feel
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like that is very misleading and I'm a bit scared. Um,
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I really like the initial look of, can't remember the
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actor's name, Balin. Um, So I really like the new
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look of him, and I think he's going to very
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much carry on Ray Stevenson's Rory something. That's the one.
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The Hound.
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The Hound, yeah. There is a track record with big productions.
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Game of Thrones is one, and Lord of the Rings,
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Rings of Power, where a main character, they change the
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actor for certain reasons, and they just keep going with it.
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This one, I mean, you couldn't... Ray Stevenson, the guy, died.
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I mean, the thing is, if you remember, he died
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about a week or two before Ahsoka season one aired.
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So that's been three years. Holy jeez. I realize why
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this show took so long to make because it is,
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to me, looks... The trailer, at least, looks like this
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is going to be very cinematic.
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It's going.
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And it's going to be consequential to the overarching story
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Whereas some of the stuff in The Mandalorian may have
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not been Mandalorian and Grogu. I saw it four times
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in the theater. It came out on Physical Media Monday.
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I've watched it twice at home already. I love it.
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It is fun. But at the end of the day,
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it's inconsequential.
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It's inconsequential at the moment. I think that the power
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vacuum that is left at the end, with the lack
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of huts controlling that area of space, gives a pathway
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for it to become consequential by the Dark Council taking
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it and potentially... And.
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Coin being gone, two of the guys that we saw
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at the end of Mando Season 3 on that Dark Council,
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they're taking... One's dead, and one is a stool pigeon.
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Yeah, it's making that vacuum for Thrawn to step in
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even bigger.
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Yeah. And where is Dathomir in the universe? Is it
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in the vicinity of the Hutts? Because if it is.
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Oh, you want me to grab my Timelines book and
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let you know?
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Please.
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Just kidding. Google exists.
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I'll look it up.
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Yeah, a lot of the stuff with the Nightsisters and just...
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I still, I got goosebumps, physical chills when Thrawn mentions
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that he's the Empire's declaring war on the Rebel Alliance.
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I loved it.
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Yes.
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That's how it was when he was gone. He's been
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gone for a while. You know, little things that I'm
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just hoping that because right now that focus in the show,
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how many episodes is it going to take? You can't bring...
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Ahsoka and Sabine back to this galaxy too quick because
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there is a major story going on there with the whole, again,
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all we know is the whole mortis of it all
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that's going on on Paridia. But in the same sense,
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this galaxy main event that's happening back in the regular
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galaxy with him declaring, how many guys are we going
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to see? Are we going to see a Millennium Falcon?
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Are we going to see Princess Leia even if we
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just hear them, are we going to see Ackbar? There's
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going to have to be some major players from the
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OT because it can't just be like the thing that
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happens in, oh, something little happens in New York, so
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the Avengers didn't show up because they could take care
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of it. No, this is a full-on, everyone's all hands
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on deck situation.
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We know Hera is on the deck of Home 1,
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so I think we are at the very least going
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to get Ackbar. I really hope we don't have to
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see Han and Leia, but I think we could see
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the Falcon. We could hear Chewie over the announcer, the comms.
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I think we should see Luke. I think everything we've
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seen in the trailer is going to be in the
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first four episodes.
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I see the first two.
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Historically speaking, you get a little something from the first half.
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And then the second half, we know Filoni's already said
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it's going to be an all-out war. I think it
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is going to be without Ahsoka and Sabine until the
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last couple of episodes. I think we're going to have
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a lot of Anakin and Ahsoka in the World Between
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Worlds or Force Ghost. And I think the World Between
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Worlds is their way back. And I think they're going
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to leave the door open.
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Yeah, because I don't think as far as the whole
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galactic battle of it all, Ahsoka, Sabine, Balan, Shin, those
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people are not heavy hitters in it. Ahsoka could be,
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but is she really known for her like starfighter pilot skills?
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Have you seen the latest rumor about Ahsoka season two?
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There's been so much stuff going on there. And if
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it's sort of like.
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No, about a certain video game character, possibly portraying the sun.
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Oh yes. With that.
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Yeah.
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That Sam is already, you know, He's one of those guys,
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I think, that benefited. If you really think about it,
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Sam Witwer originally was Starkiller in Force Unleashed. And they
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did the model after him. And then he comes back
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to the actual... And we've talked about this. He is
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the only person on record to correct Filoni about a.
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Star Wars thing when he said, Filoni said something about, um, well,
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if Shmi would have met Padme, blah, blah, blah. And
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then he's like, uh, excuse me, I'm a full comic
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book guy. He did.
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It was during the Mortis arc where Anakin is talking
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to his mother. And he says, oh, I have a
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wife now. I'd love for you to meet her. And
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Witwerp goes, sorry, sir. It's his first day on set
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as well. Actually, they've already met. They've already met in
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episode one.
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Yeah.
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And then so from there he did, I mean, because
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he came in to voice Maul.
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He did The Sun as well, though, didn't he?
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I'm trying to figure out which one he did first,
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because time-wise, they're roughly around the same. So he did
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The Sun, and it actually kind of has a sort
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of looks, it could be Sam in that same sense
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where he was in The Force Unleashed. And so then
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he does Maul. And it's also kind of funny, too,
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where Rebel Force Radio recently has been talking about Peter
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Serafinowicz a lot. And he actually, Sarah Finowitz, recorded the
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voice for Maul for the end of Solo. And then
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they changed it to have Sam Witwer do it. And
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Sarah Finowitz was like, I think he went to the premiere,
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did something, and was like, I'm not even in this
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damn movie now. So if anyone did it, Peter Sarah
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Finowitz voiced the two lines that Maul had. in The
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Phantom Menace.
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I think he says 13 words in total.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it was pretty much just like, at last
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we'll reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we'll have
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our revenge. And the other one was like... Yes, Master. Yes, Master.
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When he was talking with, like, when the Neimoidians were there. So, yeah.
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So for the fact that Sam is pretty much like
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a staple now in Star Wars and Thelonium, and he
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has his own series with Shadowhunter Lord. I'm never going
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to get those right. It's going to be Shadowhunter.
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Shadowhunter is the book.
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Actually, we should probably do Shadowhunter or some Darth Maul stuff.
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Hey, I've read that one.
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I've read that recently.
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What was the other one he had? Outbreak? Or Breakout?
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The jailbreak one? Oh, wait.
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That's the one I read.
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I read that one recently as well.
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Yeah, because it was Shadowhunter. Whatever it's called.
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So... Dathomir is on the Outer Rim. Not terribly far
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from Mandalore. Hmm.
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Well, there we go.
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There you go. So.
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Interestingly enough.
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We might get Bogotan.
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Restrained Sabbath tour. Lockdown.
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Lockdown.
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Yep.
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I got there as well. That's exactly the same.
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I was like, I don't know.
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By Joe Schreber.
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Yes.
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So anyways, I don't remember what we were talking about. Okay,
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so that was the trailer. Um, what else did they,
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I think there's going to save a lot for, um,
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cause Star Wars.
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Wait, Dathomir on this map is right by at Atten actually.
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I don't know nothing about it.
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I don't know. I can't say nothing. I don't. When
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did you say, I can't say nothing about Atten.
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I don't know nothing.
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He knows this stuff, but he can't say anything about
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it because of, uh, I watched skeleton crew again. Maybe
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a month ago. And actually, I got yesterday in the
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mail something I never normally do. I have the physical CD,
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double CD of the Skeleton Crew soundtrack, which Mick Giacchino scored,
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which is Michael Giacchino's kid. So there's a lot of
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Giacchinos that are involved in the Disney.
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Getting that Disney paper.
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Get paid. Exactly. Because I don't think Michael is going
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to be doing. I mean, he directed The Swamp. or
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Swamp Thing, Werewolf by Night, a little special presentation.
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He did the Spider-Man score again.
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Did he?
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I'm pretty sure.
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I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about, like, directing-wise. Oh, I
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don't know.
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Depends on what they're doing with, we've already talked about that.
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So, yeah, right now, as far as Star Wars goes
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and Marvel, there isn't a huge, like, future plan out
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right now. Marvel has a little more where they drop
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the X-Men in and, I think they're also just... I mean,
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Star Wars more than anything, when you have that big
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of a shake-up in leadership with... I wouldn't say shake-up more.
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We're Filoni coming in and he's going now like, okay,
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hold on. We're going to reset the table. I don't
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think we're going to see the James Mangold Dawn of
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the Jedi movie. We're not going to see the Taika stuff.
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Right now, it's anything that's planned out there other than
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Starfighter or Someone was still saying that the, oh my God,
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who was the guy that did the Dark Phoenix movies
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for X-Men?
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That wasn't Bryan Singer.
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No, no, no, no, no, no. He did Apocalypse. No,
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hold on.
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Bryan Singer did Apocalypse, I think.
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Simon Kinberg.
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Simon Kinberg. He was supposed to do.
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A trilogy.
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A trilogy of stuff.
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Is that the Rey trilogy?
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No, I think it's a separate one.
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Again, the Rey thing. I think right now Star Wars
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suffers the most from we don't know where it is
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on the timeline. There's stuff here and then there's stuff
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in the future. There's stuff that I think Filoni didn't
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have as much power right now with him being pretty
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much like the guy. He's just going to go. We're
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going to focus. We're going to get people interested that
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when they watch something one of the next things they
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see is that story being continued so we're not going
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like okay this is great and also now we're dropping
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back so maybe keep animation in the prequels there is
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you know there's some fertile ground that they've never touched
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what happens between episodes one and two there's not much
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out there i think there's one or two story like
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comic stories that are canon other than.
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That nothing nothing canon there's there's there's not much in
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legends either. There's rogue planet, there's outbound flight.
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But that's not even focusing on those months. The, um, yeah,
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I think for the timeline and there's that, wasn't it that, um,
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one comic series that took place a bit in that timeline,
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but that was.
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About an Obie one, which I think I want to
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say is just before episode two. Oh, The Approaching Storm
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is Legends, but that is just, that's like the lead-in
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to Episode 2, just like Labyrinth of Evil is the
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lead-in to Episode 3, book-wise. And Cloak of Deception is
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the lead-in to Episode 1.
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We get those Queens books by E.K. Johnson, Queens Shadow,
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Queens Peril, Queens Hope, which that's, again, focused on something
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that is not, you know, Part of the main story,
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it's all about the handmaidens and stuff like that, which
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I thought they were interesting stories, but it's not galactically pertinent.
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I just want them to move away from the original
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trilogy at this point in time. I want them to
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either have a look at episode one and two or
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look at between six and seven, but closer to seven.
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Let's move that story along. Let's... there's so much so
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much vitriol about still about the sequel trilogy we either
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need to go past it and just go look get
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over it it's canon it's there we're going to deal
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with it and you fill in the gaps back backwards
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by TV or animation and you then focus on what's
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coming next and I think we have to have the
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Rey trilogy I think it has to be a take
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on either the new Jedi Order or something completely different,
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but she's going to try and rebuild the Jedi. We're
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kind of limited as to what that looks like.
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I think that the Simon Kinberg trilogy is like a
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new trilogy.
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And we need to focus on stuff too, I think,
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if they keep going past. Like we saw... The Starfighter. Everyone,
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I mean, even though we didn't see it, everyone saw
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the Starfighter teaser thing. And the fact that you get
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those kind of, he has an Imperial ship. His jacket,
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which is sort of like a Frank Castle-esque Punisher, has
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the New Republic logo inverted to make the skull type thing.
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So it's sort of like, is that going to be
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an anti-hero type thing or whatnot? But it's also like
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we have to get away from everything is Jedi Sith,
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Jedi Sith, Jedi Sith. The thing that worked so well
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about the New Jedi Order is you get this extra
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galactic entity coming in that the Force has no real
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effect on it with the Yuuzhan Vong. And even I
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think the thing with the bad guys in the High
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Republic was that it wasn't The Sith weren't the machinations
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behind it. And it works because they have some ways,
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especially with the creatures and stuff, they could use the
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Force negatively against the Jedi, but it does not have
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to be Jedi-Sith, Jedi-Sith, Jedi-Sith.
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Some might say they were the leveler.
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Right, exactly. And, I mean, we could work on it because,
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speaking of a novel that I really enjoyed, Shadow of
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the Sith, where they were pretty much going and figuring out, like,
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following Ochia Bastoon, his whole, where he got. And it
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was a cool little adventure story.
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Yeah, that's a good one.
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What do they do?
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Luke and Lando are still not pairing, though.
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Yeah, but it was sort of just like I think
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it was because he was the guy that told the
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story in Rise of Skywalker that we did this together.
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You know, so they sort of, again, they have to
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go by that. It's one of those things, too, and
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it gets brought up in this annihilation is little things
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that are mentioned in the movies. You know, Nar Shaddaa or,
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you know, did they tell you about my aunt? You know,
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any of those little planets or things that are just
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throwaway lines. are the basis for so many things in
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the EU because they do like, Oh, you know, that's
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going to trigger someone being like, we mentioned this movie
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or this, this planet or this person in passing, just
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an old throwaway line. And we're going to use that
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as the basis for why it's going to be interesting
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for you to read this story outside of the fact
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that they were actually interesting stories. Again, Star Wars has
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a lot of stuff against a lot of the things
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that people, even though I really enjoyed the ninth Jedi, Where, like,
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there wasn't a lot of creatures or, like, aliens that were,
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you know, recognizable.
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You always have the people that are like, where's my
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glop shadow?
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He's not in this. Blah, blah, blah. You know? And
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it's like, oh, just, God. Right.
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Then read something else, you know? Yeah.
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I mean, you didn't have to have any Jedi. You know, like,
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the one thing I think most people can agree on
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for the sequel era is Rogue One is, like, perfect
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as it is. And there's no Jedi, no Sith in it.
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There are some recognizable... There's one, Seth. Okay, well, I mean...
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Kind of a key one. But it's not the focus
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of the... That's like the connective tissue at the end
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of it. The Doris formerly known as. So... Maybe we
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should start talking about the book.
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I was going to say, we've chatted a lot of
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Star Wars and not touched the book at all.
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That's pretty much what we do because we do this every,
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you know i think the one was our last one
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in january so.
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Half is chit chat yeah half is.
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Semi-structured and that's pretty much how it happens with anything
534
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we have source pages related to it is that it's
535
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like there's a lot of tangential stuff going on about
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most of this was focused on star wars i mean
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this is pretty much like our our star wars podcast
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the books are the reason why we get here to
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talk but you know we have a car star wars
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so we of course are talking about the fourth and
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final i didn't realize there was only four original dole
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republic novels this is the fourth one it is by
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drew carpation it's called annihilation aka the it should also
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be called the hidden and forbidden love child saves the
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day You know, honestly, that's the.
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Star Wars loves a good family shame storyline.
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It was, I mean, as much as we, you know,
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were like, oh my God, with what was going on
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in the High Republic, I completely forgot that, you know,
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Shatil Shan had a relationship with someone else that had
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a kid because it has been a while since I
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delved into this, that And this was the last released book,
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even though it's, I mean, I think this is last
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in the timeline too, that you're just like, oh my God,
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I totally forgot that the book literally opens up with
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her giving birth to a kid. And it was like,
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but the one thing happens.
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They bring their disgusting germs with them.
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The, uh, this is one thing too, that the old Republic,
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and I think we've talked about this on every time
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we've talked about the old Republic that has me, you know,
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wanting more is that there's so much out there that
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isn't covered in the novels and comics because of the
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video games, especially the KOTOR stuff with Malik and Revan,
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this stuff with Malgus and with Tenebrae and all of these, um,
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dark Lords are in the MMO, which I guess I
567
00:31:48.740 --> 00:31:50.339
was like, when was the last time there was a
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big update in the old Republic? And I guess there's
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a huge one coming out in December.
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I was going to say there's, there's one coming soon,
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which a lot of people are very excited about.
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Right.
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But for the fact that I've never played a single
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moment of this game is big of a Star Wars fan.
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Is it?
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I watched all the, the, I can't find it anymore,
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but there was once a time where someone strung together
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all of the cut scenes and that they could.
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Have it made into.
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It's like eight hours long. But it tells you pretty
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much the story of what's going on. Because as we
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know the name, and they mentioned it a few times
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in this novel, that Shan is a pretty common surname
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in the galaxy far, far away. But we do know
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that Satele Shan here is a direct descendant of Bastila
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Shan and Revan. even though this novel takes place 300
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years past through the events of Revan. And as far
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as I know, they still don't have... Revan is still
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my favorite Star Wars novel of all time. I'll listen
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to go back to that. And the way that that
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ends with being a cliffhanger where he is trapped by
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Darth Tenebrae, the Dark Emperor, that's never been resolved.
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It is in the game. It is resolved in the game.
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Okay, so I've never seen a cut scene or any description.
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No, it's actual gameplay. So one of the missions, and
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someone out there, because I've also never played the game,
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someone out there, correct me if I am wrong, but
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my understanding is one of the missions is you need
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to go and free Revan. And he comes back as
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sort of the... the gray Jedi version where he is
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perfectly balanced in, in light and dark. And he has
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a red lightsaber and he has his purple lightsaber. And
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that is an entire mission where you have to free
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him from his prison. And then he does some stuff.
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And then I think he sacrifices himself. So like Revan
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is his story is finished in the game, but isn't,
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there's no cut scene or anything. It's just part of
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the gameplay.
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I think they have well to explain why there's a
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vintage collection figure with him. And then even a black
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series where he's got the tan robes and the Revan
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mask and the red and purple lightsaber where it's sort
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of just like, and he's just, he's Revan. That's the
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way you could tell the difference. If he's Darth Revan,
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that's because he, he's good. Then he's bad. Then he's good.
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And then he's captured. And then he's equal.
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Like he's, yeah, he's, he's, he's perfectly balanced as all things.
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He's the, um, um, oh my God. What was, uh,
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Tom Baker in Rebels. Oh, the Bendu. The Bendu, yeah.
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I am the middle. He's not good, he's not bad.
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Until he's pissed.
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Until Thrawn shows up.
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Sorry to derail it, but I love the capture of
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the show and it's like Thrawn shooting at the Bindu
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and it's just a storm.
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It's so funny.
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What do you expect at the end?
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What's the end game in this whole situation? He's like,
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this is all I have. Pew pew. Did we mention
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the book's called Annihilation?
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We did about 20 minutes ago.
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It came out in November of 2012. So it pretty
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much was one of the last things that they did
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before the purchase from Disney buying Star Wars from Lucas.
635
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There's a lot of stuff in this book going back
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00:35:30.739 --> 00:35:36.019
that wasn't true. Malgus wasn't dead. The Emperor wasn't dead.
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These guys, they all died after the fact. They were just...
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Malgus was one of those guys that, if you read
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his story, that he basically was fed up with the
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Sith and said, screw it. I'm going to do my
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own thing. And so they thought, cause even this, they thought,
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they thought that the Jedi thought they killed him, but
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they didn't. And even the emperor at this time, the emperor,
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he sort of can do, I think that may be
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where they got the idea for what Palpatine could do.
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Cause his consciousness jumps between people. Yeah, no.
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You're welcome.
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I'm going to mute. You're muted for five minutes now
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for saying that word.
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You've been put in timeout.
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Yeah, you're in timeout. You've got a five for sheaving here.
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Darth Carad, who was the main, who was pretty much
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the main and only Darth Sith in this story. This
654
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one was very much the least of the, like, the
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Sith focused. I mean, because it's the Old Republic, so
656
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all their stuff is going on. Her being, A, a
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failing Sith. which I think Todd brought up the fact
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that this was the first time that, again, Todd wasn't... Actually,
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you know what? Before we talk about this, let's hear
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what Todd, who's missing from the show, had to say. Hey, guys.
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I wanted to record a blurb for you because I'm
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not able to be there physically or live with you
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as you record. So here are my thoughts on Star
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Wars The Old Republic 2. Annihilation by Drew Karpyshyn. As
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you guys know, Drew Karpyshyn is one of my favorite
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Star Wars authors. He obviously did the Bane trilogy. And
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00:37:30.389 --> 00:37:35.809
that's one of my favorite groups of books in the
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Essential Legends category. But this book in particular, as far
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as where it ranks amongst all the essential legends that
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we've covered, I'd have to say it's about middle of
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the road. And that's just because we've, at the top
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of the list, you've got that.
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Bane trilogy, Revan.
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Plagueis, you know, there's some really solid novels. So the
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fact that I'm saying it's in the middle of the
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pack says more about how great those books are than
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it says, you know, anything about the quality of this book.
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Because I thought it was a good book. You know,
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there's some interesting concepts and subject matters going on here.
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not the least of which is the main character Theron
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Shan being the son of Jedi mass, Jedi grandmaster, sorry,
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Satel Shan. Um, and, uh, the, as it turns out,
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the Supreme commander of the Republic military at this point
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in the old Republic, uh, guy by the name of
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Jace Malcolm, which Theron discovering this is an interesting moment
686
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and how he deals with that is an interesting development
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of his character. But I was a bit disappointed that
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It didn't turn out that he had some latent force power.
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I thought maybe at some point it would, they would
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kind of manifest themselves in a, in a moment of
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intense exertion and nothing, but you know, Hey, We can't
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all be Force-sensitive in the Star Wars universe. A couple
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of cool things about this book, in my opinion, Darth
694
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Karad being a Faleen Sith Lord is really interesting because
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I think, and you guys correct me if I'm wrong here,
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I think this is the first time we've seen a
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failing force user of any kind in at least in
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the written world i know that we haven't seen it
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up on screen um which is in which is cool
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because as far as uh the ability to persuade and
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get things moving along the lines that you want them
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as you know as a sith or a jedi you
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not only have the force, but in the failing, uh,
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you have the added, uh, tool of the pheromones that
705
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they can kind of use to their, to their benefit.
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So I thought that was cool. And, uh, the machinations
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that she had to go through to ensure her spot
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on the dark council, because she was Darth Malgus's apprentice. And, uh, Malgus, uh,
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attempting to claim the Imperial throne, he was branded as
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a traitor.
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And so some of that.
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Kind of shrapnel, uh, hit her, but she was able
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to overcome it, uh, in great fashion, uh, where she
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very deftly manipulated Darth Gravis into attacking her, uh, who
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was her other rival to be appointed to the dark council.
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And she basically moves him into position where she has
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no choice, quote unquote, but to eliminate him to defend herself.
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When in actuality, she put all the pieces in place and, uh,
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it was due to her, her machinations and her, her
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dark powers. So I thought that was cool. Um, The, uh,
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the story overall was, was good. Uh, but as, as
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far as, like I said before, as, as far as
723
00:42:23.670 --> 00:42:28.949
my ranking, uh, of this, um, of this book and
724
00:42:29.110 --> 00:42:34.070
in the ones that we've, uh, reviewed, uh, I'd have
725
00:42:34.110 --> 00:42:36.739
to say it's, it's right around the middle of the pack.
726
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:42.429
So those are my thoughts. Uh, Again, sorry I wasn't
727
00:42:42.469 --> 00:42:47.929
able to be here with you guys. But cruise ship
728
00:42:48.010 --> 00:42:54.409
preparations have commenced. But I was able to pull through.
729
00:42:54.429 --> 00:42:58.139
And Lilibet has entered the chat. I was able to
730
00:42:58.300 --> 00:43:01.719
pull enough time just to do this. So, hope you
731
00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:05.880
guys have a good show. Thanks for having me around.
732
00:43:05.900 --> 00:43:06.070
And....
733
00:43:08.860 --> 00:43:11.500
Oh, by the way... Geode sucks.
734
00:43:12.739 --> 00:43:12.900
Yeah.
735
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.119
All right, Todd, that was pretty cool. And I don't
736
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.539
agree with you about Geode, but we're never going to change.
737
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:18.599
Your mind about that. Geode rocks.
738
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:25.909
Yeah, this is the Darth Carid, which, by the way,
739
00:43:26.090 --> 00:43:29.369
if you look at her name is Canna Tarid. You
740
00:43:29.389 --> 00:43:30.869
take out the Nate in the middle of her name,
741
00:43:30.909 --> 00:43:33.190
and that's just how she gets her Sith name. It's
742
00:43:33.269 --> 00:43:35.070
the first part of her first name and last part
743
00:43:35.090 --> 00:43:38.900
of her last name. Her being a Faleen, which was
744
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:43.719
Prince Jezor's species, which was, didn't they bring them up
745
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:47.210
a lot? They're the Black Sun. Were they in Rebels
746
00:43:47.250 --> 00:43:49.170
as much as just in Clone Wars?
747
00:43:49.730 --> 00:43:49.969
No.
748
00:43:50.590 --> 00:43:56.230
But them having the ability to affect people not only
749
00:43:56.269 --> 00:43:59.929
with the Force, you also have those pheromones. Her being
750
00:43:59.949 --> 00:44:04.389
Darth Malgus's apprentice, this is the only appearance that she's had.
751
00:44:05.550 --> 00:44:09.139
So she was never the apprentice in any storyline, any
752
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:15.760
video game portion of it. And then she has... Spoiler
753
00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:18.150
alert for a book that's this old. She has one
754
00:44:18.170 --> 00:44:20.610
of the coolest ways she dies, too. So, I mean,
755
00:44:20.630 --> 00:44:23.429
how many other people could die by being trapped in
756
00:44:23.510 --> 00:44:26.780
a spherical container by a gun exploding?
757
00:44:27.900 --> 00:44:32.510
My note literally says... Carried death is pretty cool. Overheated
758
00:44:32.530 --> 00:44:35.309
blaster thrown into her control pod and big boom in
759
00:44:35.369 --> 00:44:37.590
small space. A carried goat splat.
760
00:44:41.650 --> 00:44:42.449
There you have it, folks.
761
00:44:42.489 --> 00:44:42.940
I loved it.
762
00:44:43.489 --> 00:44:47.449
I couldn't have said that better. Actually, I've got this here.
763
00:44:47.469 --> 00:44:52.980
Very nice.
764
00:44:53.460 --> 00:44:54.159
Professionals.
765
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:58.699
What made that kind of anticlimactic in a sense, too,
766
00:44:58.739 --> 00:45:02.400
was the fact that the only really connection it had
767
00:45:02.539 --> 00:45:06.940
was to Nostral, who was a Keldor Jedi, who again
768
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:11.219
was pretty much the focal Jedi in the mission outside
769
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:16.840
of Satele Shan. This was very much a more smuggler
770
00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:21.900
intelligence type storyline. I see while we're talking about it,
771
00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:25.039
we'll just bring up the Dramatis Personae, which is a,
772
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:26.519
but I used to love when they did that in
773
00:45:26.539 --> 00:45:27.889
the old books where they tell you who the main
774
00:45:27.929 --> 00:45:32.309
characters are. what their affiliation is, what their species is.
775
00:45:32.409 --> 00:45:33.909
And so you could look it up and be like, Oh,
776
00:45:33.949 --> 00:45:34.650
that's kind of cool.
777
00:45:34.929 --> 00:45:37.670
They have it. Like, like I read this, I borrowed
778
00:45:37.690 --> 00:45:39.869
it from the library as an ebook and they have
779
00:45:39.889 --> 00:45:43.099
them at the beginning of the ebook. It's just probably
780
00:45:43.139 --> 00:45:47.420
not on the recording or whatever.
781
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:49.380
No, but in the old books, this was the first,
782
00:45:49.420 --> 00:45:51.460
like you open up the, it's got the title page,
783
00:45:51.900 --> 00:45:54.559
all the dates and stuff. And then dramatis persona, it
784
00:45:54.579 --> 00:45:55.860
had everyone listed in there.
785
00:45:55.900 --> 00:45:58.159
So we got, would have been useful in the high Republic.
786
00:45:59.809 --> 00:46:02.769
I made my own because at least with that, you know,
787
00:46:02.789 --> 00:46:05.150
you had an ability to go back and go like, okay,
788
00:46:05.170 --> 00:46:07.409
this was the Twi'lek. This was this guy. This was
789
00:46:07.449 --> 00:46:09.489
this guy from this movie, what he looked like. This was,
790
00:46:09.650 --> 00:46:14.309
you know, because they wanted to blow up Duro in this.
791
00:46:14.389 --> 00:46:18.050
And Duro was those blue-skinned aliens from the Mos Eisley Cantina.
792
00:46:18.090 --> 00:46:21.679
So at least they focused on characters or species that
793
00:46:21.699 --> 00:46:22.239
you knew.
794
00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:25.539
But the High Republic was just like... If they had...
795
00:46:25.980 --> 00:46:28.019
done it in the High Republic, they wouldn't have then
796
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:32.000
been able to sell me the character encyclopedia. That's true.
797
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:36.869
They did StarWars.com before the High Republic started. There was
798
00:46:36.929 --> 00:46:41.289
this four, it was a huge four-part splash of all
799
00:46:41.309 --> 00:46:43.210
the characters that were already coming out in the comics.
800
00:46:43.250 --> 00:46:45.250
You knew what they looked like, so you knew what
801
00:46:45.929 --> 00:46:48.989
all the main bad guys and any new species were
802
00:46:49.010 --> 00:46:52.590
going to look like. But yeah, the High Republic, although
803
00:46:52.610 --> 00:46:55.030
I would say if you haven't gotten any of those books,
804
00:46:55.070 --> 00:46:57.690
go to Ollie's. Cause there's a lot of high Republic
805
00:46:57.730 --> 00:47:00.590
books there that are next to nothing in price. So
806
00:47:01.510 --> 00:47:06.480
I picked up, I don't buy much, uh, hardcover stuff,
807
00:47:06.500 --> 00:47:08.679
but I got the, uh, the light of the Jedi
808
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:12.059
phase one, all of the Marvel comics in this, it's
809
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:12.800
a hardcover.
810
00:47:12.820 --> 00:47:13.619
Oh, nice.
811
00:47:14.019 --> 00:47:17.019
And this thing, I think listed for listed for a
812
00:47:17.059 --> 00:47:18.559
hundred bucks in the U S I got it for
813
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:18.960
three 99.
814
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:19.179
Yeah.
815
00:47:21.099 --> 00:47:25.219
Yeah. It's got the high Republic, uh, 1 through 15,
816
00:47:25.219 --> 00:47:29.949
Eye of the Storm, 1 and 2, and Trial of Shadows,
817
00:47:29.949 --> 00:47:33.829
1 through 5. So there's a lot of comics in here.
818
00:47:34.130 --> 00:47:36.989
I've said it before, I'll say it again, that 1
819
00:47:36.989 --> 00:47:39.969
to 15 first run is phenomenal.
820
00:47:40.829 --> 00:47:43.510
Yeah, this was cool because I was reading this when
821
00:47:43.750 --> 00:47:46.369
IDW had their storylines too.
822
00:47:46.769 --> 00:47:47.449
The adventures.
823
00:47:48.190 --> 00:47:49.909
Yeah, but the thing is, though, again, there was just
824
00:47:49.989 --> 00:47:51.610
so much being thrown at you where it's sort of
825
00:47:51.659 --> 00:47:54.159
just like, get your feet wet before jumping into the
826
00:47:54.219 --> 00:47:56.659
water type thing where they were just like, Oh, it's
827
00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:58.460
star Wars. This is our new thing, which it's a
828
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:06.159
cross platform launch with nothing, you know, other than pros
829
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.639
and comics and stuff like that. We're sort of like,
830
00:48:08.659 --> 00:48:10.429
you just lost the interest of half the people I
831
00:48:10.449 --> 00:48:12.050
know that are like, I don't want to read anything
832
00:48:12.090 --> 00:48:17.389
about it. So, okay. We got there in Shan Republic
833
00:48:17.469 --> 00:48:22.170
strategic information systems or services agent. He's the main guy
834
00:48:22.210 --> 00:48:26.329
in the story. He is the love child of Satele Shan,
835
00:48:26.369 --> 00:48:29.389
who now is the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order, and
836
00:48:29.409 --> 00:48:33.510
Jace Malcolm, who is the Supreme Commander of the Republic Military.
837
00:48:33.570 --> 00:48:38.699
So he's half soldier, half Jedi, but he has no
838
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:40.139
Force sensibilities, too.
839
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.840
I was going to say, he's got no Force sensitivity,
840
00:48:43.539 --> 00:48:47.179
or does he? I think this book does quite well
841
00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:50.880
at sort of alluding to perhaps some stuff is happening
842
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:55.260
that he's maybe not conscious of. Like Finn.
843
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:56.039
He's Finn.
844
00:48:56.460 --> 00:48:59.699
Yeah. I couldn't help but think throughout this whenever they
845
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:01.719
were like, oh, I don't have any Force sensitivity. I
846
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:07.260
was like, you're a Star Wars squib. I didn't know
847
00:49:07.300 --> 00:49:10.639
this was a thing. This is my first read-through of
848
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:14.349
this book. I read the others and I just looked
849
00:49:14.349 --> 00:49:18.769
at the cover, the original cover that came out with it.
850
00:49:18.769 --> 00:49:22.269
and I went, well, there's no lightsabers there. That doesn't
851
00:49:22.309 --> 00:49:25.889
interest me that much. And I'll tell you my final
852
00:49:25.929 --> 00:49:26.679
thoughts at the end.
853
00:49:26.699 --> 00:49:30.940
I mean, it's a guy that looks like, who is the, again,
854
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:35.500
I'm drawing blanks here, from the Jedi Knight series, or
855
00:49:35.579 --> 00:49:40.809
even like... Kal Katan? It was either Kyle Katarn or
856
00:49:40.849 --> 00:49:43.289
the guy that was supposed to be Han Solo in
857
00:49:43.349 --> 00:49:46.150
Shadows of the Empire. Dash Rendar. He had that kind
858
00:49:46.170 --> 00:49:52.909
of look to him. Dash or Kyle. Decent looking human male.
859
00:49:53.369 --> 00:49:54.949
Probably in his 30s.
860
00:49:55.010 --> 00:49:57.829
Got some cybernetics.
861
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:01.500
It was very much, like you said, the least Star
862
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:07.760
Wars looking from what are the talking points on Star Wars. Lightsaber, Sith,
863
00:50:09.010 --> 00:50:13.010
This could have been a cyberpunk blade runner or whatever, but.
864
00:50:12.889 --> 00:50:15.429
It could have been generic sci-fi fantasy.
865
00:50:16.829 --> 00:50:18.969
But at the end of the day, I, I enjoyed
866
00:50:19.030 --> 00:50:22.409
this story because it was very linear. The stuff, when
867
00:50:22.469 --> 00:50:27.099
it jumped back was all for purposes of explaining, like,
868
00:50:27.300 --> 00:50:30.039
especially that one scene or the part of the book
869
00:50:30.099 --> 00:50:33.840
where they cut back to the reason that she'd heal.
870
00:50:33.860 --> 00:50:37.340
It's the teal gave to why she ended the relationship.
871
00:50:37.690 --> 00:50:42.250
with Jace is because he was just teetering on the
872
00:50:42.449 --> 00:50:45.550
edge of not turning to the dark side as far
873
00:50:45.630 --> 00:50:48.570
as light and dark for the Jedi or force user,
874
00:50:49.269 --> 00:50:54.070
but is military wise was just like, Ooh, I can't,
875
00:50:54.449 --> 00:50:54.809
you know.
876
00:50:55.409 --> 00:50:57.429
His moral being a little bit loosey goosey.
877
00:50:57.739 --> 00:50:57.960
Yeah.
878
00:50:58.659 --> 00:51:01.260
And then even that one line at Satia, when they finally,
879
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:04.079
when she finally is talking to Theron about the, about
880
00:51:04.380 --> 00:51:06.829
what she did, And he's like, I don't need you
881
00:51:06.849 --> 00:51:08.869
to say I'm sorry for this. She's like, I didn't
882
00:51:09.130 --> 00:51:11.519
think I did anything wrong. I did it for the
883
00:51:11.619 --> 00:51:14.940
right reasons. I wish it could have been different, but
884
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:18.539
given the chance, I'd do the same thing again. And
885
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:21.820
it makes sense, too. So it could have been, although
886
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.820
it got kind of thrown around a bit that when,
887
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:29.889
especially when Marcus Trant, who was the director of Republic S.I.S.,
888
00:51:30.789 --> 00:51:34.489
just casually mentions like, oh yeah, he's Satele's son. Only
889
00:51:34.550 --> 00:51:36.389
a few of us know. And you just happen to
890
00:51:36.449 --> 00:51:40.309
tell this guy, Jace, who ends up being doing, you
891
00:51:40.349 --> 00:51:43.090
can see probably like the monkeys are banging the drum
892
00:51:43.110 --> 00:51:43.860
in his head going.
893
00:51:45.469 --> 00:51:46.070
Nine months.
894
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:51.619
Oh my God. Oh no. And he's also probably thinking
895
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.980
if it's here, regardless of the timeframe, pretty sure Satele's
896
00:51:55.019 --> 00:51:57.519
son was not taking lovers all over the place. There
897
00:51:57.579 --> 00:52:02.469
was a strong connection between, that I felt between, you know,
898
00:52:02.489 --> 00:52:06.590
Jace and her at that time, it wasn't kind of like.
899
00:52:06.449 --> 00:52:08.769
A, you know, um, one night stand.
900
00:52:08.809 --> 00:52:11.309
A convenience type thing because of where they were in this.
901
00:52:11.349 --> 00:52:12.869
I think they had a strong connection.
902
00:52:13.210 --> 00:52:15.480
They had a six month relationship is mentioned in the,
903
00:52:15.610 --> 00:52:18.530
in the book that they were, they were together for
904
00:52:18.570 --> 00:52:21.960
approximately six months and she decided to end it and
905
00:52:22.619 --> 00:52:27.579
seeing his questionable morals around something that happened on Alderaan,
906
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:33.250
I believe. Um, she decided to end the relationship and
907
00:52:33.289 --> 00:52:35.889
also not tell him that she was pregnant.
908
00:52:36.849 --> 00:52:37.030
Right.
909
00:52:37.769 --> 00:52:41.630
Which seems to be the thing that like women in
910
00:52:41.670 --> 00:52:46.239
star Wars can do like Padme, you know, although she was, she,
911
00:52:46.530 --> 00:52:48.659
Anakin knew she was pregnant, just didn't know she had
912
00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:51.940
the kids because she thought she was dead. I think
913
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:53.800
one of the things too, was that when they brought
914
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:57.119
up the philosophical difference was that they were hunting down
915
00:52:57.219 --> 00:53:00.659
the people that were trying to, to escape those mountain
916
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:03.769
ranges to flee and she's like most of them are
917
00:53:03.809 --> 00:53:06.449
just going to go and you know just go and
918
00:53:07.150 --> 00:53:09.769
go AWOL from the Empire like they're not even worth
919
00:53:09.789 --> 00:53:12.650
your effort and he was so gung-ho on just eliminating
920
00:53:12.909 --> 00:53:16.570
all of them was just like oh I can't you
921
00:53:16.610 --> 00:53:19.429
know again that's sort of like the visual in my
922
00:53:19.469 --> 00:53:24.449
head was Anakin talking to Padme on Mustafar where it
923
00:53:24.469 --> 00:53:28.699
was just like you know all or nothing like There
924
00:53:28.780 --> 00:53:29.739
is no in between here.
925
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:31.519
Going somewhere I can't follow.
926
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:40.090
Exactly. You're breaking my heart. I'm sorry.
927
00:53:40.349 --> 00:53:40.829
That was great.
928
00:53:41.869 --> 00:53:45.489
Someone please clip that for me. Or that as my ringtone.
929
00:53:45.510 --> 00:53:47.030
Whenever Brian messages me.
930
00:53:47.530 --> 00:53:51.070
You're breaking my heart. It'll be at about the 40-some
931
00:53:51.090 --> 00:53:53.280
minute show. Actually, it'll be longer than that because Todd's
932
00:53:53.340 --> 00:53:57.449
message was like six minutes long. What am I... like
933
00:53:57.690 --> 00:54:02.329
low key favorite characters in this book was Tefeth, who
934
00:54:02.530 --> 00:54:09.679
is the Twi'lek female smuggler character who just didn't give
935
00:54:09.739 --> 00:54:14.380
a crap about anybody. She did, but her person, like
936
00:54:14.420 --> 00:54:18.489
when she's just talking smack to everyone, Satele, this like,
937
00:54:19.429 --> 00:54:24.010
it's just, the characterization was so spot on. And the
938
00:54:24.070 --> 00:54:28.659
fact that like, shh, she basically was just like, I
939
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:31.769
don't want to owe anyone anything, even though Theron came
940
00:54:31.789 --> 00:54:33.659
and saved my life a bunch of times. It's like,
941
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:35.820
just stay away from me. Leave me alone. And then
942
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:37.500
when it came to like still in the act of
943
00:54:37.539 --> 00:54:40.960
like being rescued, she's like, I didn't ask for this. Like,
944
00:54:41.099 --> 00:54:42.900
don't what, what are you doing this for? Do you want,
945
00:54:42.940 --> 00:54:44.369
you expect me to like, thank you for it?
946
00:54:44.420 --> 00:54:44.579
No.
947
00:54:44.659 --> 00:54:45.059
Okay, fine.
948
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:45.139
Go.
949
00:54:45.139 --> 00:54:46.760
What do you want? Gratitude?
950
00:54:46.780 --> 00:54:46.860
Yeah.
951
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:49.139
Where's my 10,000 credits?
952
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:53.159
It's very Hondo of her.
953
00:54:53.659 --> 00:54:54.119
Oh God.
954
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:54.420
Yeah.
955
00:54:54.500 --> 00:54:57.460
It is Hondo, isn't it? It's an early prototype of Hondo.
956
00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:57.559
Yeah.
957
00:54:59.530 --> 00:55:01.570
Don't even get me started on Hondo. I still understand
958
00:55:01.610 --> 00:55:05.030
how the Jedi did not, the first time they got like, okay,
959
00:55:05.190 --> 00:55:06.989
we did your job. We worked together.
960
00:55:07.050 --> 00:55:07.280
Fine.
961
00:55:07.619 --> 00:55:09.239
We're going to arrest you now because you tried to
962
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:11.139
kill all of us. You stole all of our stuff.
963
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:13.820
Even after that whole thing with like, after the first
964
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:17.619
time they encountered Hondo with that whole, like the seven
965
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:21.539
samurai situation where they were attacking the farmers for money,
966
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:26.320
they are, you know, they're, they're worked well, they work together.
967
00:55:26.860 --> 00:55:29.809
And then he kidnaps the kids on Ilum. It's like,
968
00:55:31.170 --> 00:55:33.510
where's the recourse from this? He is in jail.
969
00:55:33.750 --> 00:55:36.590
He gets away with it. We're just going, hey.
970
00:55:36.889 --> 00:55:38.090
My bad.
971
00:55:38.650 --> 00:55:40.150
The best line, he's just like.
972
00:55:40.170 --> 00:55:42.659
Neither of us got what we wanted. We're fine, right?
973
00:55:43.389 --> 00:55:44.159
We'll call it quits.
974
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:48.000
Yeah. It's like, recompense? We're pirates. We don't even know
975
00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:51.019
what that word means or whatever he said about this.
976
00:55:51.780 --> 00:55:52.000
Oh, yeah.
977
00:55:52.019 --> 00:55:53.699
He's a great character, but it's just sort of like,
978
00:55:53.780 --> 00:55:56.360
how is he still out there and not like either
979
00:55:56.380 --> 00:55:57.219
dead or like in jail?
980
00:56:01.750 --> 00:56:04.489
We know he survives beyond the sequels because he's at
981
00:56:04.510 --> 00:56:07.550
Galaxy's Edge, which at the time was canon. I don't
982
00:56:07.570 --> 00:56:08.090
know if it still is.
983
00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:11.219
I still thought that he was going to be the
984
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:17.820
guy that came to pick up Radha in Mando and Grogu.
985
00:56:17.980 --> 00:56:20.519
We need Hondo in live action. Been banging that drum
986
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:25.219
for ages. We need him in Ahsoka season two so
987
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:26.969
him and Ezra can reunite.
988
00:56:27.849 --> 00:56:32.579
That I would like. I mean, he's a Filoni creation, so.
989
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:36.139
And we know Filoni loves a little bit of self-nepotism.
990
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:39.820
Oh, just a bit. I mean, Ahsoka season one is
991
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:40.659
Rebel season.
992
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:43.360
Five, so... Yeah, absolutely. Just Ahsoka in everything.
993
00:56:46.179 --> 00:56:49.050
I'm looking at some of these other characters. Gorvich, I mean,
994
00:56:49.110 --> 00:56:56.170
he's kind of just a prick that... He's another guy, too.
995
00:56:56.190 --> 00:56:59.070
He's saying, yeah, well, money, you know? You know, whatever.
996
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:05.420
I thought Nostral, who was the Keldor Jedi Master, who
997
00:57:05.659 --> 00:57:08.280
is actually Darth Karad's.
998
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:11.800
Old Jedi Master.
999
00:57:12.789 --> 00:57:18.489
He sent her into to try to infiltrate Malgus's inner circle.
1000
00:57:18.969 --> 00:57:21.710
And of course, it's like any story like that with
1001
00:57:21.730 --> 00:57:25.539
the FBI sending these guys in to infiltrate the gang
1002
00:57:25.619 --> 00:57:31.789
or whatever. They Succumb. And so she basically, yeah, she
1003
00:57:31.809 --> 00:57:35.510
succumbed to the dark side because pretty much, again, she
1004
00:57:35.530 --> 00:57:39.230
succumbed to the dark side. Yep. Succumbed. Succumbed seems like
1005
00:57:39.269 --> 00:57:40.050
a weird word.
1006
00:57:40.909 --> 00:57:43.269
Succumbed. Anyways. I think the word is succumbed.
1007
00:57:43.809 --> 00:57:48.360
Succumbed. Because it's easier. You know, even though they are,
1008
00:57:48.820 --> 00:57:51.800
some of the ways that the Darth Bane trilogy, again,
1009
00:57:51.820 --> 00:57:56.070
Drew Karpyshyn here, explains why. what it takes to be
1010
00:57:56.369 --> 00:57:59.989
a successful, like this is the, you thrive on being
1011
00:58:00.030 --> 00:58:02.849
in that much pain all the time, man, it might
1012
00:58:02.869 --> 00:58:06.530
be easier, but no, thank you. You know, I'm just gonna,
1013
00:58:06.550 --> 00:58:11.210
you know, I'd be worried too much about like hurting innocent.
1014
00:58:11.250 --> 00:58:15.300
I mean, again, innocent people don't deserve, you know, some
1015
00:58:15.340 --> 00:58:18.059
of the casualties that happened in war and the Sith
1016
00:58:18.099 --> 00:58:21.340
are just like, eh, whatever. There's always that type.
1017
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:23.260
The ends do not always justify the means.
1018
00:58:23.699 --> 00:58:23.780
No.
1019
00:58:24.170 --> 00:58:28.050
And when you could tell that Theron is a, you know,
1020
00:58:28.090 --> 00:58:36.440
he almost jeopardizes the, the whole undertaking because he thinks
1021
00:58:36.500 --> 00:58:38.559
that one of the things they do here. And again,
1022
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:41.440
the writing that Carpician has is so cool. The way
1023
00:58:41.460 --> 00:58:43.719
that they got, got the black cipher, which is the
1024
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:47.500
only way that they could decrypt the Sith's messages, that
1025
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:49.539
whole thing with them having the old cord and the
1026
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:54.489
assassination and the explosion, very descriptive and very just, you know,
1027
00:58:55.090 --> 00:58:58.539
perfectly executed. And there's not like, well, they could have
1028
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:01.880
done this or loopholes type things. But when he finds
1029
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:06.449
out that there was a, a, something to sit did
1030
00:59:06.550 --> 00:59:09.889
and the Republic weren't there, a destruction of a planet,
1031
00:59:10.420 --> 00:59:13.000
he almost jeopardizes it by getting in contact with them.
1032
00:59:13.019 --> 00:59:16.320
And they're like, yeah, we knew we let it happen, though,
1033
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:21.800
because we can't play our cards this close because it
1034
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:23.530
wasn't a big enough thing. And he was sort of like,
1035
00:59:23.989 --> 00:59:25.550
screw that. People died.
1036
00:59:25.849 --> 00:59:30.030
So this is a... pull straight out of history with
1037
00:59:30.070 --> 00:59:37.500
the Enigma machine. And when British intelligence broke the Enigma code,
1038
00:59:38.820 --> 00:59:42.300
they had to allow a certain amount of attacks to
1039
00:59:42.340 --> 00:59:45.260
go through so that the Germans didn't know that they
1040
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:48.739
had broken the Enigma, which was meant to be, the
1041
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:55.199
Titanic was unsinkable and Enigma was unbreakable. history proves both
1042
00:59:55.539 --> 00:59:56.619
those statements are incorrect.
1043
00:59:56.659 --> 00:59:58.900
Is that the movie with Benedict Cumberbatch and Keira Knightley?
1044
00:59:58.920 --> 00:59:59.880
Yes, The Imitation Game.
1045
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:00.960
Really good movie.
1046
01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:03.179
Fantastic movie.
1047
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:04.860
Sad.
1048
01:00:04.900 --> 01:00:10.579
Very sad and slightly creative at points. I'm sure. But
1049
01:00:11.179 --> 01:00:16.739
the general premise of it is very accurate. You can
1050
01:00:16.780 --> 01:00:20.059
actually go to the place where they broke it here
1051
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:24.199
in the UK. It's It's an interesting place. Very, very
1052
01:00:24.219 --> 01:00:24.820
interesting place.
1053
01:00:24.989 --> 01:00:28.050
Well, it's exactly what you just said, though. It's like, oh, well,
1054
01:00:28.190 --> 01:00:31.630
for this person, for Theron, the ends don't justify the means.
1055
01:00:31.710 --> 01:00:34.530
For the Jedi, you know, for Satele, that's the same thing.
1056
01:00:34.550 --> 01:00:39.050
That's why she broke up with Jace. And then here's
1057
01:00:39.070 --> 01:00:42.449
the Republic doing, on the other side of the coin,
1058
01:00:42.510 --> 01:00:46.510
doing the exact same thing. Because to them, the ends
1059
01:00:46.570 --> 01:00:48.230
justify the means. War is a mess.
1060
01:00:48.289 --> 01:00:51.369
Yeah, and it's very much micro versus macro, isn't it?
1061
01:00:53.750 --> 01:00:57.369
frontline soldier absolutely not no you you have the ability
1062
01:00:57.409 --> 01:01:01.769
to stop this atrocity you need to take that big
1063
01:01:01.829 --> 01:01:05.050
picture no we we need to stop the war we
1064
01:01:05.090 --> 01:01:06.610
don't we need to win the war we don't need
1065
01:01:06.630 --> 01:01:07.489
to win the battle.
1066
01:01:07.230 --> 01:01:10.130
Well i think jay said he goes because malcolm or
1067
01:01:10.170 --> 01:01:14.170
theron said something it's like thousands died but then jay's
1068
01:01:14.190 --> 01:01:15.849
came back and said yeah but we're going to save
1069
01:01:15.949 --> 01:01:20.550
millions so Exactly. The needs of the many outweigh the
1070
01:01:20.570 --> 01:01:23.550
needs of the few. But again, that's also when you
1071
01:01:23.659 --> 01:01:28.619
have this ability now to know all the information that
1072
01:01:28.820 --> 01:01:33.420
is there is sometimes just the limitation of knowing all
1073
01:01:33.460 --> 01:01:36.900
this stuff going, knowing it, and then you can't do
1074
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.059
anything about it because it's the whole point is I
1075
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:43.559
understand both sides of the struggle here. But I think
1076
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:47.769
in the end, Jace is right because we can't tip
1077
01:01:47.829 --> 01:01:50.170
our hand because otherwise what they're going to do then
1078
01:01:50.250 --> 01:01:52.250
is they're just going to change there because the way
1079
01:01:52.269 --> 01:01:55.030
that they did it. So again, there's this thing called
1080
01:01:55.070 --> 01:01:57.750
a black cipher and it's the way it's set up
1081
01:01:57.809 --> 01:02:01.050
is that if something happens or there's an explosion, it self-destructs,
1082
01:02:01.389 --> 01:02:06.340
it's impossible for the new Republic to get a, to
1083
01:02:06.380 --> 01:02:10.239
basically commandeer or take one of these things without the
1084
01:02:10.260 --> 01:02:11.940
Sith knowing. And then when they do, they can just
1085
01:02:12.579 --> 01:02:14.659
get rid of it. So what they do is they
1086
01:02:14.699 --> 01:02:17.070
have all these burnt out cores and, they set up
1087
01:02:17.110 --> 01:02:23.210
this sting with Nostral and Theron, where he's going to
1088
01:02:23.250 --> 01:02:26.489
go in and get one of these ones on Zayas,
1089
01:02:26.659 --> 01:02:28.900
which I thought was kind of cool, where Zayas used
1090
01:02:28.940 --> 01:02:32.320
to be like with Korriban, like the two big Sith planets,
1091
01:02:32.380 --> 01:02:36.179
and now Zayas is like a tourist attraction. It's like
1092
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:38.599
the place where you, it's the gateway to the Empire.
1093
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:42.829
And they're going to stage this fake assassination attempt and explosion,
1094
01:02:43.050 --> 01:02:45.429
and then just swap out these Korrs, And then make
1095
01:02:45.449 --> 01:02:47.610
it look like the explosion is the thing that blew
1096
01:02:47.690 --> 01:02:49.820
up the one originally when it was blown up by
1097
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:52.500
them taking it. Now they have this active core with this.
1098
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:56.460
Now with them having this deciphering machine, they know everything.
1099
01:02:57.019 --> 01:02:59.159
And so they're just waiting on like, oh, we can't
1100
01:02:59.460 --> 01:03:02.559
always have people there because they know where we're at, too.
1101
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:04.639
But we can't all of a sudden show up at
1102
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:07.599
all these places. Oh, and the thing that we forget
1103
01:03:07.619 --> 01:03:12.360
to mention is that this Darth Talad. Is it Talad?
1104
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:17.369
Darth Carrad. It has this ship called the Ascendant Spear,
1105
01:03:17.409 --> 01:03:21.969
which is just like, basically like a traveling Death Star
1106
01:03:22.030 --> 01:03:28.429
in a way. It's like just incredible force-powered, you know,
1107
01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:33.900
it almost, yeah, it's a gigantic machine, which by the way,
1108
01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:39.139
it ends up, you know, being destroyed by viruses, fake viruses.
1109
01:03:39.539 --> 01:03:42.059
Of course it is. It's like the perfect combination between
1110
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:43.519
A New Hope and Independence Day.
1111
01:03:44.739 --> 01:03:45.880
I was thinking War of the Worlds.
1112
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:49.760
War of the Worlds is an independence day. Yeah, fine.
1113
01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:54.099
Where it's just like sometimes the littlest thing, you know.
1114
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:56.119
I remember seeing War of the Worlds the first time
1115
01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:59.550
and going like the aliens died because of the viruses
1116
01:03:59.610 --> 01:04:07.590
on our planet. Okay. Makes sense. Yeah. The way that
1117
01:04:07.630 --> 01:04:10.449
those scenes too, he was very descriptive with like the
1118
01:04:10.550 --> 01:04:15.340
fighting and So she has– Darth Karad has these apprentices
1119
01:04:15.860 --> 01:04:18.219
that are there on the ship with her pretty much
1120
01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:21.380
as batteries. I mean, they're like a power supply because
1121
01:04:23.260 --> 01:04:27.480
it's designed to run faster when dark side energy is
1122
01:04:27.780 --> 01:04:29.719
put into it, and she can't put all of her
1123
01:04:29.780 --> 01:04:32.059
energy into it. So she has all these acolytes going like, oh,
1124
01:04:32.579 --> 01:04:37.199
find a machine for me type thing. So I'm trying
1125
01:04:37.219 --> 01:04:38.860
to think what other– A lot of times when I
1126
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:40.380
was thinking about it too, like we ended up talking
1127
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:42.019
about a book for half an hour and people might
1128
01:04:42.059 --> 01:04:43.559
be listening going like, I have no idea what this
1129
01:04:43.579 --> 01:04:46.199
book's about though. Cause we talk about all like the
1130
01:04:46.219 --> 01:04:48.449
stuff we like and the key points about it. But
1131
01:04:48.489 --> 01:04:50.750
this book sort of end of the day is just like,
1132
01:04:51.769 --> 01:04:53.889
it knocks a ship out of the, knocks one of
1133
01:04:53.909 --> 01:04:57.190
their big weapons out for the Sith. Satil Shan, who's
1134
01:04:57.230 --> 01:04:59.610
the grandmaster of the Jedi order has a kid who
1135
01:04:59.750 --> 01:05:01.119
really doesn't want to have anything to do with her
1136
01:05:01.820 --> 01:05:04.510
or her dad, but, you know, the one side when
1137
01:05:04.550 --> 01:05:07.460
he was like, when Theron or when Jace tells Theron
1138
01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:10.179
that he's all nervous by telling, he's going to tell
1139
01:05:10.219 --> 01:05:11.500
him this, he's like, I don't want you to like
1140
01:05:11.980 --> 01:05:13.619
go fishing or teach me how to ride a bike.
1141
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:16.199
I'm like, that might be a little bit too real world.
1142
01:05:16.219 --> 01:05:20.900
But it's also just like, but it makes sense too,
1143
01:05:21.300 --> 01:05:23.780
where he was just like, yeah, I know, you know
1144
01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:27.039
who you are kind of like, it's always one of
1145
01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:30.940
those things too. Again, it, it was funny when, um,
1146
01:05:33.090 --> 01:05:36.769
they're talking and teffeth puts it together and she's like
1147
01:05:37.650 --> 01:05:41.210
oh mama jedi and daddy general what she calls them
1148
01:05:41.250 --> 01:05:43.510
that i'm like oh my god that sounds like the
1149
01:05:43.530 --> 01:05:45.050
perfect thing for her to say.
1150
01:05:44.789 --> 01:05:48.010
I do i do love i do love that characterization
1151
01:05:48.070 --> 01:05:52.230
of of um it's just it's just fantastic it's just
1152
01:05:52.670 --> 01:05:56.730
exactly what a real world version of that would be
1153
01:05:57.769 --> 01:06:01.559
just completely sarky and on it all the time and
1154
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:03.699
just ripping people left and right.
1155
01:06:03.940 --> 01:06:07.500
It's, it's wonderful. Especially that the scene too, when she's
1156
01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:11.219
trying to get them to, I need to talk to
1157
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:15.539
the grandmaster and they're sort of just like, okay, why
1158
01:06:15.780 --> 01:06:18.440
I have to talk. Well, we'll give her a message. No,
1159
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:19.860
I need to talk to her. And then she's like,
1160
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:22.059
takes out the two guys and she's holding them hostage.
1161
01:06:22.119 --> 01:06:24.119
And then you're seeing 20 more people show up and
1162
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:28.329
then this, and it's sort of just like, she's basically
1163
01:06:28.489 --> 01:06:30.809
almost in that sense, like a trap, like a caged
1164
01:06:31.230 --> 01:06:34.389
wild animal. And she's just like, I only know one
1165
01:06:34.690 --> 01:06:37.010
person that I could trust who she doesn't even know
1166
01:06:37.030 --> 01:06:38.599
who she looks like. Cause he was even just like,
1167
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:40.960
I can sort of see like, she shows up in
1168
01:06:40.980 --> 01:06:43.340
the hollow screens. Like I could sort of see some
1169
01:06:43.380 --> 01:06:48.980
resemblance of, you know, Theron, but they mentioned a couple
1170
01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:50.619
of times in it that no one would have known
1171
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:53.929
because he doesn't look like either one of them. Oh,
1172
01:06:53.949 --> 01:06:55.650
they can't even tell, too, because the deal, Shan, is
1173
01:06:55.849 --> 01:06:59.030
very prevalent in the whole Republic video games, and her
1174
01:06:59.090 --> 01:07:02.630
look over the course has changed a bit. I mean, obviously,
1175
01:07:02.650 --> 01:07:04.699
they make her look older, but she always has that
1176
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:10.059
darker skin, darker hair. Strangely enough, she's always wearing the
1177
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:13.000
exact same thing. 20 years on the line.
1178
01:07:13.019 --> 01:07:15.159
Nobody does that in Star Wars.
1179
01:07:15.659 --> 01:07:17.590
Except for Leia and Padme. They just are the only
1180
01:07:17.619 --> 01:07:19.730
ones that have any kind of wardrobe changes.
1181
01:07:19.789 --> 01:07:23.460
Yeah, anyone who's in the galaxy have a wardrobe. And
1182
01:07:23.659 --> 01:07:24.519
Padme had a big one.
1183
01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:26.380
Only the ones from Alderaan.
1184
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:30.380
Lando sort of did, but then he decides... Lando then
1185
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:32.400
decides at the end of Empire to just throw on
1186
01:07:33.380 --> 01:07:36.769
Han's clothes. So he's got the best of.
1187
01:07:36.949 --> 01:07:38.630
He left Bespin in a hurry.
1188
01:07:40.250 --> 01:07:42.230
He couldn't grab all of his stuff.
1189
01:07:42.630 --> 01:07:44.329
Honestly, Han's the one that has a lot of changes
1190
01:07:44.349 --> 01:07:46.570
of clothes, because isn't Luke wearing Han's clothes at the
1191
01:07:46.610 --> 01:07:50.530
end of A New Hope? At the medal ceremony?
1192
01:07:51.219 --> 01:07:53.139
Oh, that's true, because if you look at it, they're
1193
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:57.079
kind of baggy on them, too. Yeah, so they hatch
1194
01:07:57.099 --> 01:08:00.139
this whole thing, and then they set up the Ascendant
1195
01:08:00.179 --> 01:08:01.469
Sphere to be at.
1196
01:08:03.050 --> 01:08:07.550
The main crux, the main thing here is that there's
1197
01:08:07.570 --> 01:08:10.190
going to be... They know that the Empire is going
1198
01:08:10.210 --> 01:08:13.300
to go to the Duro shipyards, and Duro, and just
1199
01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:17.600
annihilate them. But they can't do anything about it, because
1200
01:08:17.779 --> 01:08:21.569
it's just... Exactly. That's pretty much where they get to the...
1201
01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:29.930
It's the name of the story. They basically convince Darth...
1202
01:08:30.270 --> 01:08:36.170
Darth Carad to bring the Ascendant Spear to this battle
1203
01:08:37.010 --> 01:08:40.239
in order for... And that's the reason why Tefeth had
1204
01:08:40.260 --> 01:08:43.779
to go to Coruscant to let them know they're going
1205
01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:45.859
to get her there. They're going to get her to the...
1206
01:08:45.619 --> 01:08:48.819
So you need to show up because Marcus wanted nothing
1207
01:08:48.859 --> 01:08:51.680
to do with, or Jace wanted nothing to do with
1208
01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:54.310
going to Duro because again, it's sort of just like,
1209
01:08:54.489 --> 01:08:58.220
we don't, it's not going to be strategic win for
1210
01:08:58.310 --> 01:09:02.039
us enough to let them know that we can decipher
1211
01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:04.390
their stuff. Then they're all.
1212
01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:06.420
The point of the book is to get another super
1213
01:09:06.460 --> 01:09:08.359
weapon off of the board.
1214
01:09:08.739 --> 01:09:09.079
Right.
1215
01:09:09.140 --> 01:09:10.439
Another super weapon.
1216
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:12.520
They just always have one in their back pocket.
1217
01:09:13.380 --> 01:09:15.840
Oh, it's not like the sun. Um, Oh my God. Again,
1218
01:09:15.859 --> 01:09:18.229
what's the name of the ship that the sun, uh,
1219
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:22.819
The Jedi, this takes place, it's an EU thing where
1220
01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:25.380
there's the Sun Crusher, I think it was. It was
1221
01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:31.140
another ship that is one of Luke's pupils ends up
1222
01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:33.619
taking over and then, you know, he falls to the
1223
01:09:33.659 --> 01:09:36.850
dark side, but he has this ship and it's basically
1224
01:09:36.869 --> 01:09:38.029
like a portable Death Star.
1225
01:09:39.989 --> 01:09:42.109
Again, I would love to have a death star in
1226
01:09:42.130 --> 01:09:42.890
your pocket.
1227
01:09:43.369 --> 01:09:48.489
That sounds amazing. I'll make it big when you need
1228
01:09:48.550 --> 01:09:48.909
it to be.
1229
01:09:50.010 --> 01:09:51.750
Can you imagine that?
1230
01:09:51.810 --> 01:09:54.680
I really just want an insight helicarrier, if we're being honest.
1231
01:09:57.140 --> 01:10:03.439
I have use for it. I'm ready to do some annihilation.
1232
01:10:03.500 --> 01:10:05.819
Rain down fire.
1233
01:10:05.859 --> 01:10:06.000
Yeah.
1234
01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:10.890
Um, I'm trying to think what other like main points
1235
01:10:10.970 --> 01:10:14.649
of this, uh, the, some of the stuff too, is
1236
01:10:14.670 --> 01:10:18.590
sort of like the, the whole machinations within the, um,
1237
01:10:19.529 --> 01:10:22.949
the Sith in her, what do they call them? The,
1238
01:10:23.189 --> 01:10:28.039
not the dark circle, the, uh, the dark council where
1239
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:31.260
like everyone knows there's a power vacuum because the emperor
1240
01:10:31.340 --> 01:10:35.859
is gone. And the way she like gets that, one
1241
01:10:35.899 --> 01:10:39.590
darth ravage i think or rictus off the board by
1242
01:10:39.609 --> 01:10:43.409
like there's someone died and so it's like either we're
1243
01:10:43.430 --> 01:10:46.590
gonna get darth rictus or darth carried to take the
1244
01:10:46.630 --> 01:10:49.770
place but people don't necessarily want darth carried in there
1245
01:10:49.810 --> 01:10:52.939
because it's she's a failing and they're not they're very
1246
01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:56.279
xenophobic and then she shows up at a battle with
1247
01:10:56.300 --> 01:10:58.380
the ascendant spear to help and he's like i don't
1248
01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:00.439
want your help so he starts shooting at her and
1249
01:11:01.220 --> 01:11:03.699
she's like you just totally took my bait and then
1250
01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:07.590
blows up his ship and now she's the only option
1251
01:11:07.890 --> 01:11:10.810
but she was doing it in self-defense like there's no
1252
01:11:10.829 --> 01:11:14.050
way you're gonna lose but yet okay well you.
1253
01:11:13.989 --> 01:11:16.229
Know that i like this as well that the um
1254
01:11:16.869 --> 01:11:24.829
the republic intelligence the republic isb essentially um they have
1255
01:11:24.869 --> 01:11:29.689
the theory that the the emperor never existed and it's
1256
01:11:29.729 --> 01:11:33.699
just this it's just this figment this boogeyman that has
1257
01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:37.479
been created by the Sith to instill fear and compliance
1258
01:11:37.550 --> 01:11:42.010
in their subjects. And it's the Kaiser. So say, yeah, yeah, exactly.
1259
01:11:42.210 --> 01:11:45.529
And I, I really liked that theory. And then I
1260
01:11:45.529 --> 01:11:47.750
was like, but I know he exists. So, Oh yeah.
1261
01:11:47.970 --> 01:11:50.369
And he was very, he was very, very scary.
1262
01:11:51.569 --> 01:11:55.369
Just, I always go back whenever they mention emperor and
1263
01:11:55.409 --> 01:11:57.670
we know that it's vicious, Tenebrae, whatever you want to
1264
01:11:57.689 --> 01:12:00.369
call him, that thing he did on the one planet
1265
01:12:00.430 --> 01:12:04.170
and Revan where they're like, he just, he sucked everything.
1266
01:12:04.210 --> 01:12:06.970
There's not even microbial life on this planet. It is
1267
01:12:07.329 --> 01:12:10.449
all gone. He just took it all away because that's
1268
01:12:10.489 --> 01:12:11.329
how powerful he is.
1269
01:12:11.510 --> 01:12:13.109
He noticed it. Yeah.
1270
01:12:13.329 --> 01:12:15.069
So basically what they were saying was, is that he
1271
01:12:15.140 --> 01:12:18.359
was like the Sith emperor is pretty much whoever is
1272
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:21.659
in charge of the, the, the Sith dark council is
1273
01:12:21.739 --> 01:12:22.420
the emperor.
1274
01:12:22.859 --> 01:12:23.119
Yeah.
1275
01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:25.520
This time it was Darth Mar. I think.
1276
01:12:25.579 --> 01:12:25.819
Oh yeah.
1277
01:12:25.859 --> 01:12:29.869
Darth Mar. And, So he knew that it was going
1278
01:12:29.890 --> 01:12:31.850
to lead to this when they were talking about after
1279
01:12:31.890 --> 01:12:34.930
she did that thing to the other Darth Rictus. It
1280
01:12:35.210 --> 01:12:37.529
was like, well, she did what a Sith would do.
1281
01:12:38.500 --> 01:12:42.659
She didn't, like, do anything out of, like, she didn't
1282
01:12:42.699 --> 01:12:47.640
go in there and just annihilate him. She acted in self-defense.
1283
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:49.199
Annihilate.
1284
01:12:49.739 --> 01:12:50.039
Again.
1285
01:12:50.810 --> 01:12:51.739
So much annihilation.
1286
01:12:51.859 --> 01:12:54.750
Every way we could, like, work that back into the story.
1287
01:12:54.770 --> 01:12:58.680
I like it. Yeah, so pretty much at the end
1288
01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:02.140
of the day, you get... What was that? How did
1289
01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:06.699
you describe Darth Karad's death on your little note there, James?
1290
01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:10.409
Big boom in small space made Karad go splat.
1291
01:13:11.069 --> 01:13:11.569
There you go.
1292
01:13:13.609 --> 01:13:14.729
That's really funny.
1293
01:13:14.770 --> 01:13:16.310
I have a certain way with words.
1294
01:13:18.090 --> 01:13:21.329
Visualized, if you read the story or the book, you
1295
01:13:21.350 --> 01:13:25.699
would know that works perfectly because it's just an explosion
1296
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:31.449
in a small room... All that energy. It was funny, too.
1297
01:13:31.449 --> 01:13:34.720
It was like that room was designed to be impenetrable.
1298
01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:36.739
From the outside.
1299
01:13:37.060 --> 01:13:38.159
That works both ways.
1300
01:13:38.579 --> 01:13:41.140
Yeah, it works both ways. So whoever's, I mean, if
1301
01:13:41.180 --> 01:13:43.520
that ship wouldn't have exploded, whoever had to go in there, like,
1302
01:13:43.539 --> 01:13:45.550
imagine if they salvaged it and was like, we're going
1303
01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:46.970
to use this. Like, who's going to go clean up
1304
01:13:46.989 --> 01:13:48.170
that thing? Not it.
1305
01:13:48.829 --> 01:13:52.689
It was like in the Sandman, Brian, with the skin thing.
1306
01:13:54.109 --> 01:13:54.329
Yeah.
1307
01:13:54.550 --> 01:13:56.390
There's carrot in the grate.
1308
01:13:57.350 --> 01:13:57.449
Yeah.
1309
01:13:58.289 --> 01:14:00.369
We're going to have to replace this whole thing. There's
1310
01:14:00.409 --> 01:14:06.770
Sith all over the place. I'm trying to think of where.
1311
01:14:06.789 --> 01:14:08.090
That's pretty good.
1312
01:14:09.029 --> 01:14:09.560
I like that.
1313
01:14:10.529 --> 01:14:13.119
Yeah. And again, there was a lot of machinations too,
1314
01:14:13.260 --> 01:14:17.260
with how they convince her to go. And it's all
1315
01:14:17.340 --> 01:14:23.949
Dostaral being her, you know, former master, him coming up,
1316
01:14:23.970 --> 01:14:26.960
going like, Oh, we were just stalling here. So you
1317
01:14:27.079 --> 01:14:29.880
didn't go to Duro. She's like, I wasn't supposed to
1318
01:14:29.899 --> 01:14:34.079
go to Duro. Okay. Then our, our, our plan here worked.
1319
01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:36.399
And then she's like, well, no, I'm going to Duro
1320
01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:39.300
now because you didn't thought it was good. Our plan
1321
01:14:39.340 --> 01:14:41.500
worked anyway. That was what we really wanted you to do.
1322
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:44.340
She kind of makes me think a little bit of
1323
01:14:44.500 --> 01:14:48.199
Admiral Sloan in the aftermath books.
1324
01:14:48.659 --> 01:14:51.609
I get where there's a lot of like, just bravado and,
1325
01:14:51.989 --> 01:14:54.539
and shoot first, think later about it.
1326
01:14:54.789 --> 01:14:58.460
Well, no, Sloane wasn't like that, but she's powerful, and
1327
01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:01.100
so people use her until she's too powerful, and then
1328
01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:01.739
they get rid of her.
1329
01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:06.939
I think what Caird played a lot of it, it
1330
01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:09.000
seemed like her whole life she was always, and again,
1331
01:15:10.060 --> 01:15:11.850
she had a lot of things going against her, not
1332
01:15:11.890 --> 01:15:17.770
only being Feline, was that her being Malgus' apprentice, and
1333
01:15:17.789 --> 01:15:21.590
then him basically being labeled as a traitor for leaving,
1334
01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:27.039
I think the Republic thinks he's dead, and the Sith
1335
01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:32.569
and the Empire just think he took off. Which, by
1336
01:15:32.590 --> 01:15:35.409
the way, when they were talking about when there were
1337
01:15:35.449 --> 01:15:42.109
some really cool exchanges between Nostral and Theron, where it
1338
01:15:42.149 --> 01:15:44.869
was sort of just like them talking about what they
1339
01:15:44.909 --> 01:15:47.359
need to get done, and he goes... the Sith and
1340
01:15:47.380 --> 01:15:50.470
the Empire work together, but they are not the same.
1341
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:53.170
We can knock the Empire out, but the Sith are
1342
01:15:53.210 --> 01:15:55.130
always going to be there. So you take care of
1343
01:15:55.170 --> 01:16:00.529
the Empire, I'll handle the Sith. Although Jace, fighting-wise, he
1344
01:16:00.569 --> 01:16:04.869
held his own against fighting, you know, when, again, the
1345
01:16:04.970 --> 01:16:09.810
new version of the Essential Legends cover of this book
1346
01:16:09.869 --> 01:16:14.989
has those two, has Carrad and Theron fighting. She has
1347
01:16:15.020 --> 01:16:18.890
a lightsaber and he has his blaster that's bent that
1348
01:16:19.050 --> 01:16:21.350
because he had a wedge that one scene where he
1349
01:16:21.369 --> 01:16:23.750
was using it to like just try to open up
1350
01:16:23.850 --> 01:16:26.890
the door that they don't use maybe they use like
1351
01:16:26.930 --> 01:16:29.729
a wrench or I don't know maybe they just use
1352
01:16:29.750 --> 01:16:33.090
like put the actual code in and it unlocks itself
1353
01:16:33.289 --> 01:16:35.529
that's like the secondary thing like you have this giant
1354
01:16:35.649 --> 01:16:38.930
rusted wall like in my house especially like you have
1355
01:16:38.949 --> 01:16:40.529
to turn the water off and it hasn't been turned
1356
01:16:40.590 --> 01:16:42.090
off in 30 years here and then you go to
1357
01:16:42.130 --> 01:16:43.430
try to do it like am I afraid if I
1358
01:16:43.449 --> 01:16:45.520
turn too hard this thing's gonna snap right.
1359
01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:49.890
Off Always a concern turning anything water-related. It's like, I
1360
01:16:49.899 --> 01:16:52.489
don't want to break this. If I break this, everything's
1361
01:16:52.510 --> 01:16:53.090
going to get wet.
1362
01:16:53.649 --> 01:16:58.430
It's like, oh, jeez. Buckets all over the place. But yeah,
1363
01:16:58.449 --> 01:17:01.649
so that he, I mean, again, that little thing there
1364
01:17:01.689 --> 01:17:05.069
where he's like, he kept it on him just to
1365
01:17:05.109 --> 01:17:06.909
make it look like, well, I've got a weapon on me,
1366
01:17:06.970 --> 01:17:09.909
even though the barrel's bent, it's not going to shoot.
1367
01:17:10.569 --> 01:17:11.949
That's the thing that ends up saving the day in
1368
01:17:11.979 --> 01:17:15.619
the end because he realizes, although in the audio book,
1369
01:17:15.989 --> 01:17:18.789
it's kind of like, it doesn't even sound like it's shooting.
1370
01:17:18.829 --> 01:17:19.010
Right.
1371
01:17:19.050 --> 01:17:22.350
It sounds like it's like a wet, like laser sounding.
1372
01:17:22.390 --> 01:17:24.989
It's like splat almost like, and like, that's because it's
1373
01:17:25.029 --> 01:17:27.949
not discharging all the energy and he feels it getting hot.
1374
01:17:27.989 --> 01:17:30.239
And then he's thinking, Oh, I could use this as
1375
01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:33.680
a bomb later. And that's how the story ends.
1376
01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:37.119
So there is a little bit at the end where
1377
01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:40.500
he offers to go for a drink with his dad.
1378
01:17:41.180 --> 01:17:45.380
And he's, it kind of starts off as like, Everyone
1379
01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:48.439
still hates each other. And no one's interested in getting
1380
01:17:48.460 --> 01:17:50.239
to know each other. And then it's like, oh, yeah,
1381
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:51.859
I'm going to be at this bar at this time
1382
01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:55.779
if you fancy a drink. And it kind of ends there.
1383
01:17:56.170 --> 01:18:00.130
You have the debrief where it's supposed to be like
1384
01:18:00.170 --> 01:18:04.149
Satele's there. And who was it? It was Satele and
1385
01:18:04.189 --> 01:18:07.729
then Marcus Trant, who was the head of the SIS.
1386
01:18:08.029 --> 01:18:13.189
And then Jace and Theron. And he doesn't show up.
1387
01:18:14.329 --> 01:18:18.029
And he's just like, no, but then it ends where
1388
01:18:18.050 --> 01:18:20.529
it's like, Oh, Jace looks down and he's got a
1389
01:18:20.550 --> 01:18:24.409
video message and it's there. And like, Hey dad, you know,
1390
01:18:25.510 --> 01:18:26.689
I didn't want to have to sit through that, but
1391
01:18:26.750 --> 01:18:29.750
let's have a drink type thing. So it ended where
1392
01:18:29.770 --> 01:18:32.329
it was just sort of like, well, you know, he
1393
01:18:32.369 --> 01:18:34.430
went from being like, Oh my God, why is this guy?
1394
01:18:34.829 --> 01:18:37.729
Who's the, basically the head of the military for the
1395
01:18:37.789 --> 01:18:40.970
Republic want to talk to me to where like, yeah,
1396
01:18:41.050 --> 01:18:41.550
he's my dad.
1397
01:18:41.590 --> 01:18:41.750
Yeah.
1398
01:18:43.369 --> 01:18:49.729
Like you said, mommy, mommy Jedi and daddy general. And
1399
01:18:49.750 --> 01:18:51.050
the verbose. Love Child.
1400
01:18:52.229 --> 01:18:55.600
That's so funny. Hey, at least those parents are both alive.
1401
01:18:56.800 --> 01:18:57.279
That's true.
1402
01:18:57.619 --> 01:18:59.260
Better than most in Star.
1403
01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:01.560
Wars.
1404
01:19:01.619 --> 01:19:04.659
And he has all his limbs, so to speak.
1405
01:19:04.699 --> 01:19:06.119
No, he's got a mechanical arm.
1406
01:19:07.500 --> 01:19:08.479
Does he have a mechanical arm?
1407
01:19:08.520 --> 01:19:13.640
Because he uses it to Slice, not hack. Slice.
1408
01:19:13.779 --> 01:19:14.630
I know that he had a.
1409
01:19:14.619 --> 01:19:15.779
Just put a knife in it.
1410
01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:18.300
I know he had a slicer thingy that he left
1411
01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:20.100
in his boot that he.
1412
01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:23.319
Left on the ship. I'm fairly sure he's got a
1413
01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:23.859
mechanical arm.
1414
01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:26.229
Which again, one of the lines too... A.
1415
01:19:26.189 --> 01:19:27.810
Cybernetic implant at the very least.
1416
01:19:28.210 --> 01:19:30.289
I know he's got a bunch of cybernetic implants, but
1417
01:19:30.329 --> 01:19:33.569
when they think that they end up escaping from the
1418
01:19:33.630 --> 01:19:37.729
sphere in the escape pods and they're all just like, well,
1419
01:19:38.130 --> 01:19:42.369
everyone's gone. Maybe, okay, you know what? One loss we
1420
01:19:42.409 --> 01:19:47.109
have here is Nostral and Theron are, you know, they're gone,
1421
01:19:47.310 --> 01:19:49.050
but they saved the day. They blew up the thing
1422
01:19:49.090 --> 01:19:52.170
and then they, they rescue them and they get out.
1423
01:19:52.250 --> 01:19:55.699
And by the time, so Nostral had to be stripped
1424
01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:58.520
down because he was being interrogated and that's how they
1425
01:19:58.539 --> 01:20:01.159
were torturing him. And Theron had to be stripped down
1426
01:20:01.220 --> 01:20:02.840
because he was in a boiler room that was pretty
1427
01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:06.359
much way too hot. And so they were congratulating them
1428
01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:08.649
at the end and then tap into the fall, things like,
1429
01:20:09.409 --> 01:20:11.069
says the thing that everyone's thinking. He's like, do you
1430
01:20:11.090 --> 01:20:15.170
guys realize you're naked? Like, okay.
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Yeah.
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01:20:15.489 --> 01:20:17.289
I was thinking that too. Like, wouldn't you think, or
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01:20:17.310 --> 01:20:19.340
at least cause they're mentioned one time that he's just
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01:20:19.449 --> 01:20:22.539
running around all there and has on is his underwear.
1435
01:20:23.899 --> 01:20:26.140
And so where that went, I don't know, but that's
1436
01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:28.119
funny because that was a bit of a point in the.
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01:20:28.119 --> 01:20:31.199
Story where he was fighting. Boom. And maybe there was some,
1438
01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:32.399
there was some blowback.
1439
01:20:32.739 --> 01:20:33.819
Maybe he got splatted on.
1440
01:20:34.699 --> 01:20:37.970
But in the story when he would have been fighting, her,
1441
01:20:38.229 --> 01:20:39.909
which would have been the cover art, would have been
1442
01:20:39.989 --> 01:20:42.770
him in his underwear. But they don't have that on
1443
01:20:42.789 --> 01:20:46.109
the cover art because it's not like a... I wonder why.
1444
01:20:46.170 --> 01:20:49.720
It's not Fabio or whatever. Fabio.
1445
01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:55.079
Anyways, so yeah, that was Annihilation.
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01:20:55.100 --> 01:20:59.880
Annihilation!
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01:20:59.920 --> 01:21:01.500
We're going to have to look through here. I think
1448
01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:03.939
that we could probably end up doing for our next... Oh,
1449
01:21:05.020 --> 01:21:11.270
that's not the right The Dark Lord. Is that the one?
1450
01:21:12.489 --> 01:21:15.869
Dark Lord, The Rise of Darth Vader. Because that one
1451
01:21:15.970 --> 01:21:20.260
is really interesting because it does, it's pretty much, although
1452
01:21:20.300 --> 01:21:25.720
it kind of focuses somewhat on him still whining about
1453
01:21:25.739 --> 01:21:29.300
Padme all the time. But it's him adjusting to the
1454
01:21:29.340 --> 01:21:32.680
fact that he now, you know, like he has some remorse.
1455
01:21:32.739 --> 01:21:34.439
He has, I won't get into it too much because
1456
01:21:34.500 --> 01:21:38.350
we could, you know, talk about it in 2028 when
1457
01:21:38.390 --> 01:21:40.750
we reconvene for our next episode of the show so
1458
01:21:42.670 --> 01:21:45.550
no it probably won't be too long because um what
1459
01:21:45.590 --> 01:21:46.630
is this august.
1460
01:21:48.100 --> 01:21:51.739
We're still august yeah.
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01:21:51.420 --> 01:21:53.100
It's not september until.
1462
01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:58.699
Tomorrow or tuesday comes out yeah it'll come out in
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01:21:58.739 --> 01:22:02.149
september we're recording it on august 30th so in the
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01:22:02.189 --> 01:22:05.949
past um Yeah, we'll let you.
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01:22:05.869 --> 01:22:08.010
Guys know sometime in the next six months what the
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01:22:08.029 --> 01:22:13.090
next book we're doing is, so. Wesley, like I said,
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01:22:13.109 --> 01:22:15.050
I think our last episode of this show was back
1468
01:22:15.090 --> 01:22:15.510
in January.
1469
01:22:16.289 --> 01:22:17.130
Was it? God.
1470
01:22:17.289 --> 01:22:19.130
It's been busy this year. Yeah.
1471
01:22:19.149 --> 01:22:20.250
It has been a very busy year.
1472
01:22:20.430 --> 01:22:22.550
It's been hard to get schedules to align as well.
1473
01:22:23.350 --> 01:22:25.470
It actually was funny, too. Proven by Todd's absence.
1474
01:22:26.750 --> 01:22:28.710
He was absent for the last episode, too, so Todd
1475
01:22:28.729 --> 01:22:34.869
hasn't been on a show since March of 2025. Too bad, Todd. Yeah. Sorry. Well,
1476
01:22:34.890 --> 01:22:36.729
he'll be on this in spirit. And then this is
1477
01:22:36.750 --> 01:22:40.029
a little six minute blurb that he gave us here.
1478
01:22:40.069 --> 01:22:40.229
So.
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01:22:42.069 --> 01:22:46.220
Oh, my God. Oh, man. I wrote all my. Oh,
1480
01:22:46.260 --> 01:22:48.159
here we go. I wrote my notes and my time
1481
01:22:48.199 --> 01:22:49.399
and stuff. I thought I threw him away.
1482
01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:51.399
James.
1483
01:22:52.300 --> 01:22:54.920
Yes. How can people get a hold of you if
1484
01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:56.960
they want to?
1485
01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:00.329
So you can. go and find me and listen to
1486
01:23:00.369 --> 01:23:03.250
my dulcet tones even more um over at the star
1487
01:23:03.270 --> 01:23:07.319
wars universe that's yo universe podcast i have a youtube
1488
01:23:07.340 --> 01:23:11.420
channel where i fo mainly focused on star wars unlimited
1489
01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:14.590
the trading card game uh that is also star wars
1490
01:23:14.789 --> 01:23:21.390
universe and i have socials I don't really use them
1491
01:23:21.430 --> 01:23:24.510
at the moment. Life is very, very busy and apologies
1492
01:23:24.550 --> 01:23:29.800
for it. But yeah, Twitter at Star Wars Universe and
1493
01:23:29.939 --> 01:23:35.340
Instagram Star Wars Universe. Check out my show notes. All
1494
01:23:35.359 --> 01:23:35.939
the links are there.
1495
01:23:36.460 --> 01:23:38.439
So you're ripping packs live on YouTube?
1496
01:23:39.060 --> 01:23:40.899
Not live. I do pre-record them.
1497
01:23:41.420 --> 01:23:43.180
Has that game taken the same.
1498
01:23:48.869 --> 01:23:51.390
Turn as pokemon in one piece where the cards are
1499
01:23:51.430 --> 01:23:54.329
now like exponentially expensive.
1500
01:23:55.310 --> 01:23:58.100
Not yet hopefully soon because i have a lot of
1501
01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:02.779
them no it's uh it's still very much player focused
1502
01:24:02.819 --> 01:24:04.699
at the moment and so the value cards are the
1503
01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:08.520
very very playable ones uh the most recent set has
1504
01:24:10.170 --> 01:24:13.069
seemed to have retained quite a lot of value in
1505
01:24:13.909 --> 01:24:16.340
the in the in the good cards and there seems
1506
01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:17.939
to be more of them. So I think it's, it's
1507
01:24:17.979 --> 01:24:21.029
starting to really hit his stride. Um, so it's, it's
1508
01:24:21.090 --> 01:24:23.289
doing well. It's lasted longer than I think at about
1509
01:24:23.289 --> 01:24:28.170
90% of new TCGs. Um, and anyone who knows the
1510
01:24:28.210 --> 01:24:31.010
history of Star Wars trading card games, they have a
1511
01:24:31.810 --> 01:24:36.409
very cult following, but they often don't survive that long. Um,
1512
01:24:36.770 --> 01:24:39.210
whereas this one seems to be doing really, really well
1513
01:24:39.409 --> 01:24:43.090
at the moment, but we're only two years in. So
1514
01:24:44.189 --> 01:24:44.810
approaching three.
1515
01:24:45.270 --> 01:24:46.970
So they're not at the same point as like Pokemon
1516
01:24:47.029 --> 01:24:48.829
where you got to have like an armed guard, go
1517
01:24:48.850 --> 01:24:51.109
to target to unlock the thing and put it in there.
1518
01:24:51.170 --> 01:24:53.680
Fail safe. And I've seen some of those things out
1519
01:24:53.689 --> 01:24:54.000
like that.
1520
01:24:55.220 --> 01:24:59.680
Hopefully we, hopefully it never gets like that because it
1521
01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:03.539
is just ridiculous. I, I try.
1522
01:25:03.579 --> 01:25:05.039
It puts you at the point like you can't play
1523
01:25:05.060 --> 01:25:08.310
the game. You can't play the game. If you literally
1524
01:25:08.390 --> 01:25:09.750
can't get the stuff to play the game.
1525
01:25:10.109 --> 01:25:10.270
Yeah.
1526
01:25:10.970 --> 01:25:11.989
It's that expensive.
1527
01:25:12.710 --> 01:25:15.319
And it's, crazy thing is the last couple of sets
1528
01:25:15.380 --> 01:25:19.750
in pokemon have not had any of the really big
1529
01:25:19.850 --> 01:25:23.430
famous pokemon in it and funnily enough you can actually
1530
01:25:23.449 --> 01:25:25.670
get product and the sets are actually quite good for
1531
01:25:25.710 --> 01:25:30.750
playing the game so it's um it it's frustrating it's
1532
01:25:30.789 --> 01:25:31.710
frustrating out there at.
1533
01:25:31.689 --> 01:25:34.609
The moment no i've seen stuff videos of people like
1534
01:25:35.510 --> 01:25:38.649
fighting and throwing and getting in like parking a lot
1535
01:25:38.729 --> 01:25:42.319
people getting like attacked and having them they're stealing their pokemon.
1536
01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:45.500
Cars from being back at school all over again what.
1537
01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:49.319
World are we living in so anyways okay well thank
1538
01:25:49.350 --> 01:25:53.569
you so much for joining us again Haley how can
1539
01:25:53.590 --> 01:25:55.390
people get a hold of us if they want to.
1540
01:25:55.949 --> 01:25:57.909
You can stay up to date with what we'll be
1541
01:25:57.989 --> 01:26:00.909
reading by following our socials we're on Twitter Facebook and
1542
01:26:01.010 --> 01:26:05.029
Instagram and you can email us at sparkpodcast at gmail.com
1543
01:26:05.569 --> 01:26:09.630
and check out everything on the network at strandedpanda.com.
1544
01:26:09.909 --> 01:26:13.819
And we've got our show notes have our podcast buddies
1545
01:26:13.899 --> 01:26:17.380
which are some shows we think you would listen to
1546
01:26:17.500 --> 01:26:19.760
like to listen to because we do i brought up
1547
01:26:19.779 --> 01:26:22.279
the zoo last week and i actually said that it
1548
01:26:22.300 --> 01:26:26.520
was zoo hair and host of zoos clues zoos views
1549
01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:28.979
and he's like i mentioned that that's how he got
1550
01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:31.319
the name zoos views because it sounded kind of sounds
1551
01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:34.449
like blues clues but i'm like it's not zoos clues
1552
01:26:34.510 --> 01:26:38.340
it's zoos views and uh so I can't even think
1553
01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:40.279
of the last time that we've had two Star Wars
1554
01:26:40.350 --> 01:26:43.250
episodes released in a row. Probably since we were doing
1555
01:26:43.270 --> 01:26:44.529
that Aphra stuff.
1556
01:26:45.569 --> 01:26:47.789
Yeah. I mean, we did a couple of Ahsoka reviews.
1557
01:26:48.670 --> 01:26:51.449
Yeah, that's true. There's been some.
1558
01:26:51.470 --> 01:26:52.510
Yeah.
1559
01:26:52.529 --> 01:26:54.890
So, yeah. So next week, I don't even have the
1560
01:26:54.909 --> 01:26:56.300
thing pulled up here. I have no idea what we're
1561
01:26:56.340 --> 01:26:56.680
doing next week.
1562
01:26:56.729 --> 01:26:58.390
A couple weeks of Secret Wars coming up.
1563
01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:01.600
All right. Going back to that. That's awesome.
1564
01:27:01.859 --> 01:27:03.020
It's been a while. Yeah.
1565
01:27:03.220 --> 01:27:04.520
Well, we got to finish it up. We only got
1566
01:27:04.539 --> 01:27:07.020
like a little over a year left until the movie
1567
01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:09.340
comes out. So we better be done by then. We've
1568
01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:12.819
been doing this for three years. We're getting pretty close.
1569
01:27:13.140 --> 01:27:16.699
What are we doing here now? Let's tackle this mega event.
1570
01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:19.560
It's a hundred and some issues realizing. When I just
1571
01:27:19.590 --> 01:27:23.590
see this, it'll be episode 38 of our Secret Wars Primer.
1572
01:27:25.210 --> 01:27:27.710
We might have to do like a mega release right
1573
01:27:27.729 --> 01:27:29.850
before the movie, like string them all together.
1574
01:27:29.529 --> 01:27:31.369
And say, here are them all together.
1575
01:27:31.850 --> 01:27:33.569
Hours and hours and hours.
1576
01:27:34.689 --> 01:27:36.939
Have 48 hours worth of podcasts.
1577
01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:41.420
That'll probably be less time than reading the actual comics
1578
01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:43.359
because with those we actually focus more on what the
1579
01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:45.880
actual story is. Double for us.
1580
01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:47.539
Yeah.
1581
01:27:47.739 --> 01:27:51.810
So I guess in the meantime, remember two things, be
1582
01:27:51.850 --> 01:27:53.670
excellent to each other and never judge a book by
1583
01:27:53.689 --> 01:27:54.050
its movie.
1584
01:27:54.739 --> 01:28:02.840
Love you 300. Bye. Thank you for listening to Source Pages,
1585
01:28:02.979 --> 01:28:06.239
a reading collective, a proud member of the Stranded Panda Network.
1586
01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:08.680
If you would like to contact us, you can email
1587
01:28:08.720 --> 01:28:13.359
sparkpodcast at gmail.com. That's spark with a C or follow
1588
01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:16.770
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1589
01:28:16.810 --> 01:28:20.569
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1590
01:28:20.609 --> 01:28:23.470
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1591
01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:29.909
at facebook.com slash groups slash SPChat. And remember, let reading
1592
01:28:30.010 --> 01:28:31.390
spark your imagination.
1593
01:28:32.109 --> 01:28:32.590
Hello there.
1594
01:28:33.090 --> 01:28:36.130
Carabass and Bright Suns, we are back with another episode
1595
01:28:36.449 --> 01:28:41.229
of Sacred Jedi Texts from the Source Pages. universe. This
1596
01:28:41.270 --> 01:28:43.439
time we are covering the final book in the Old
1597
01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:48.880
Republic series, Annihilation. But first, God, I really seem so
1598
01:28:48.939 --> 01:28:50.180
enthusiastic with that.
1599
01:28:51.979 --> 01:28:54.560
Annihilation!
1600
01:28:56.210 --> 01:29:00.439
I don't know why I mentioned the source pages. That
1601
01:29:00.460 --> 01:29:02.460
was great.
1602
01:29:02.539 --> 01:29:02.819
Okay.
1603
01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:05.979
I think my drugs are kicking in right now.
1604
01:29:06.979 --> 01:29:07.479
Excellent.
1605
01:29:07.960 --> 01:29:08.479
Welcome back.
1606
01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:10.520
Oh, my God. Get it together.
1607
01:29:10.539 --> 01:29:11.420
Lock in, you guys.
1608
01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:17.329
It's been a minute.
1609
01:29:17.789 --> 01:29:18.310
Oh my God.
1610
01:29:20.659 --> 01:29:22.109
We are never getting done.
1611
01:29:22.130 --> 01:29:23.710
Okay.
1612
01:29:24.229 --> 01:29:25.159
I forgot what I was going to say.