The Forgotten Terror Attack of September 2001 Part II The Conspiracy

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Hello everybody, welcome to Shadow Valley. My name is Brenan and I am here with my co-host
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Gabe.
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Hello listeners. So last time we left off with kind of a general conclusion with the
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anthrax attacks to where we talked about how the FBI claimed they got their guy and they
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had all of the evidence to pin this all on Bruce Ivins when in all actuality third party
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investigators were very skeptical and we also talked about how just by chance, luckily for
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them, I'm just kidding, it wasn't luckily, that nobody can ever reinvestigate the crime
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to the same extent because they just happened to destroy all the evidence after they were
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done.
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Wait, did we talk about that last time?
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I thought we did.
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Oh, maybe I forgot. I didn't know or I probably did mention something.
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Oh, okay.
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We might have not mentioned it. I don't know. It was something on there, but I think I might
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have. I could have not mentioned it, but yeah, that's like, that was one of the biggest things.
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They just happened to make it. So even though there's that third party reviewer, they weren't
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able to access all the same evidence as the FBI because they just destroyed all of it.
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Dude, I wish I could destroy all my grades and just show up with a degree somewhere.
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That'd be cool.
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Dude, that'd be super easy.
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That'd be sick.
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But freak. No, we can't be like the FBI and just destroy everything and make a claim.
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Dude, stop saying that. They're going to kill us.
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Basically, dude. Dang. No, it was their fault. That's the reason I was on jury duty, bro.
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Because of the freaking FBI. They wanted revenge.
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Bunch of mooks. Yeah. They heard the podcast and they're like, I put this bastard on jury
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duty.
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Exactly. That's exactly what happened. No, but at the end, we talked about maybe going
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over some of the theories on why the FBI might've done that.
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Yes. I'm very excited to hear these conspiracy theories.
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And well, as you know, you got to take them all with like a grain of salt. There's not
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really one that... I don't know. There's some that are interesting and some that I'm
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like, okay, yeah, I could kind of see this.
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So is there one that stands out to you as being like, oh, that could actually be legit?
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Or have you just kind of surmised your own idea about the situation?
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There's one that's, I'm like, I don't know. To me, it's all down to incompetence. I just
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think they just did the whole thing incompetently. But if we are going to use a conspiracy, if
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there is a conspiracy theory that is likely, or the one that's, I guess, most believable,
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I guess I do have one of those, but I can't necessarily say I subscribe to it 100%. And
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so basically the one that I guess makes the most sense, I don't know, that I thought was
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the most interesting and I could probably throw the most credence to, was the... Goes
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along the lines of... Because a lot of people talk about how 9-11 goes along with the whole
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military industrial complex. It's just a huge piece of that and it's just a way to give
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the government more control. And so a big theory behind this too was you have 9-11,
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which through the country into panic, and then a few weeks later you start having these
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terrorist attacks as well. And so the theory is that the government is trying to establish,
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gain more control over the citizens by putting everybody into a sense of fear.
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And almost the only people that can bail them out or protect them would be the government.
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Exactly. And so you're afraid of this and the only people who are able to look into
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this and figure it out are the government. And so you're putting a lot of your trust
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and you're giving up a lot of your own personal freedoms in the government for this. Well,
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in this case, if you're subscribing to that, it'd be a false sense of security. And it
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would go down to the point to where, I guess the conspiracy is the fact, just like people
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claim Bush did 9-11, not only to start the war in the Middle East to get all the gold
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and stuff, but not the gold, the oil. Liquid gold. Basically, liquid gold, but also to
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gain all that control over the citizens. And everybody would just give up their freedoms
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and protections trying to get Uncle Sam to take care of them all. And so that's kind
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of how that one would go through. If you keep the world in like just a panic state or the
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country in a panic state, make them think that, oh no, the whole world's going crazy.
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There's nothing we can do. And then try and put the FBI or the president, make them seem
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like the bright light of hope. Right. Almost like some higher power. Basically. Give them
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that kind of God complex. And so that was the one that I thought was most interesting.
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And I guess technically if you were to go off of the conspiracy theory of saying the
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government did it and that all of this was just a hoax. Well, no, people died, but it
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was in the hoaxes in the way of like that there was an external force. It was all just
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like internal. And of course the thing is if it goes on to say they needed Ivan's to
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be the downfall, like the down guy, because somebody has to like take the L for the team.
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Especially if something bad's going and now you need a show to your citizens, like, Hey,
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we can get the right guy. We can get the bad guy when really it's ourselves. They need
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to frame somebody. And I feel like it's that could also can like play into how they just
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happened to lead all the evidence at the end of it. Right. And then how you happen to just
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like, well, I guess so in your opinion, do you think the investigation like drew him
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that to the point of like, I want to kill myself. Absolutely. I think the FBI pushed
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him over the edge without a doubt. I mean, you know, they interviewed like a psychiatrist
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told them like, Hey, you guys need to be careful. Like, don't do this. Like he's on the cusp.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like this could push him over. And at the end, they were just like, ah, fuck
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it. We're just going to go ahead and we're going to push it in. Yeah. And you know what
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I mean? Right. The guy off himself and no, um, I'd like to have good faith and be like,
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you know, yeah, they got the right guy, blah, blah, blah. I'm just not convinced. Like
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the evidence that's been presented and what they've claimed and, uh, and then what they've
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claimed and been, that has been able to be reviewed, um, just doesn't seem to match up.
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It's not, it's not right. And so I just don't think they can sit there and put their hands
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up and be like, good job boys. Yeah. Oh, good job. We drove somebody mad to kill themselves
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and now we're going to put it on them. We got this justice is served. No, I don't think,
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I don't think justice was served and I don't think they, uh, they got the individual who
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was responsible. Um, now a lot of people, the question is like, okay, if they didn't
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get the person who is responsible for it, why did it stop? Well, it's not like it kept
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going throughout those entire like eight years that they were investigating it. Right. So
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my other question too is like, let's say, I guess just to kind of write off of that,
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uh, that theory that you just brought up, if they are trying to, I guess, almost control
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people, you know, why would they do something like that where it was so almost overshadowed
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by nine 11, you know what I'm saying? So do you think the tax could have been legit, but
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they just needed to hustle and find somebody dependent on, or do you think it was the government
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that was making kind of like causing a ruckus? Um, if that makes sense, are you getting kind
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of understanding what I'm saying? I think so. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, um, what
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I'm thinking, what I personally think, I think there was somebody who was behind the attacks.
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Um, and I feel the reason why it happened in nine 11, even though it was overshadowed
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is I think just add one more thing into the chaos of everything. Um, get that extra dose
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of fear. Um, but on the other hand too, I can like see that by the government, you know,
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if everything feels chaotic and you want somebody to turn to you and to give that power over
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to you just so they can feel secure, then, um, the one way to do it is to, uh, have a
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whole bunch of mayhem going on. And then even after, um, and I feel like this is something
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else that could be used in addition to, to just trying to keep people scared. Cause right
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after nine 11, once we identified, we identified that it was Al Qaeda pretty quickly. Um, and
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we had a name to the face, like, like really fast actually. Uh, but when it came to the,
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uh, anthrax attacks, we didn't really have a face we for eight years and you know, I'm
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still convinced even now that we don't have a face for the attacks. And so, cause they
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just said it was okay to Al Qaeda, right? Yeah, they did. And then they kept changing
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their mind and nobody was ever certain. Like they were never 100% certain on who it was.
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And so if it was put up by the government, think how easy it is to have this boogie man
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going on and people trying to just give you everything to try and catch this boogie, boogie
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man for as long as it takes. So it's interesting. And you know, something else that I kind of,
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uh, think about, and it kind of goes just a little bit along with this is, uh, a lot
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of people are talking about how there's a lot of anxiety and like people and youth now
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that there's much higher cases of like depression and all this stuff than there was before.
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And you know, there's an argument from people saying that it's just cause we're score, we're
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screening for it more and it's more, um, like common for people to talk about. It's not
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as taboo, but, um, if we were to look at the difference, um, in just growing up pre nine
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11 versus post nine 11, like a lot of, uh, my parents, they grew up, well, all my parents
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grew up before nine 11. Um, and just the way they, my dad talks about it. He's, he's how
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old he's like 60. Um, but back when he was growing up, they're just, it wasn't as prevalent.
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There was a lot less, um, like anxiety going around in schools and stuff. And you know,
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part of it, uh, from what, you know, it goes along with the theory, but, uh, post nine
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11, uh, a lot of the stuff that ended up happening was just, we're conditioning all of our, our
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peers to like live in fear. Like if you remember going in school and stuff, like think of how
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many different drills that they had to go through every single year. Like you had your
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fire drills, you had your earthquake drills, you had your active shooter drills, you had
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your all of your lockdown. Yeah. And you know, and it's even interesting, especially with
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the active shooter drills too, where, um, basically they say, turn off the lights, hide.
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Um, and that, that they literally tell you, you know, keep the lights off, hide, keep
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the door shut. But if they get in through the door, there's nothing you can do. Yeah.
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Like it's over, you're powerless. And so going through all of these drills, um, just over
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and over and just pounding into like your head, how powerless you are and how you need
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to turn over, um, this power to like the teacher or in this case, the government, they're trying
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to condition you to live in fear that way they can exercise the military industrial
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complex. And so, uh, sign of fear is a lot of anxiety. And so if we're going off of that
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theory of them wanting to keep everybody in fear, then a nameless face, uh, can definitely
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do that. And I mean, I think it's actually worked. Think how much, uh, just nowadays,
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since a lot of us do have anxiety, how much we really do give to the government, like
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turns off. Uh, I don't really see as many people go out there and try and, um, do you
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know what I'm trying to say? Like I'm at the loss of words. Um, continue. I'm tracking
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what you're saying, but I'm not sure where you're getting at. Trying to say like people
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are, it's a lot, think of it like the relationship with the police. Like, I mean, even my dad's
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old enough, like this is pretty Woodstock. And so even before that happened, but like
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growing up the, uh, the tension and like the fear of the police then, and, um, just the
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amount of power they had back then was a lot different than what we give them. Now there's
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a lot more of that now than we did, uh, before. And so it's just kind of like supposed to
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be an example of how, but because of the terrorist attacks of nine 11, that a lot of this extra
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power has been given to the government and to our law enforcement things. And it's all
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out of fear. Right. And so, um, that's kind of also how they mentioned on tying that all
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into the, uh, the government did it type of conspiracy theory and why they did it. Um,
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and I just, I don't know, I thought that was interesting because I can see some different
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definitely. I can see some parallels for sure. Right. Uh, between the fact that, you know,
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we have, um, a higher like rate of anxiety now than we did like 60 years ago, right.
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Or how the government has a lot more power and they seem a lot more like strict than
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they did, um, like 60 years ago. Right. Uh, and you know, I can't speak from experience
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like 60 years ago. I just got to listen to my own man talking. So, yeah, for sure. But,
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um, that was like one of the ones, another one is just, uh, that this is completely different.
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This one, instead of the government like doing it, it's just like it happened. And then the
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FBI doesn't want to look weak. And so they had to come up with a somebody as soon as
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possible. They didn't want to seem super incompetent, uh, to the point to where it's like, oh no,
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we're supposed to be able to do this. Cause you know, a lot of people joke around and
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like, oh, the CIA is taking tabs on everybody. The NSA has all of our information. They make
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the government look like omnipotent. They just know everything. And so when the FBI
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is like looking up something and trying to investigate something for eight years and
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they can't find a stupid thing, it makes the government look like they can't do their job.
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Exactly. And if you're the United States and you're a world superpower, you want to look
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like an idiot. Exactly. You got to look like the smartest guy. You got to look like the
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biggest guy on the block. Like, you know, everything, which is so funny. Cause if you
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think about it, like, I guess like the first theory that we just talked about almost could
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tie into that same thing. Yeah. You know, where the United States wants to look like
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such a, like a, the biggest guy on the block that they would create something weird like
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that, you know, just to almost act like, oh yeah, we're really good at this. We know what
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we're doing. Be, be afraid. Cause we found the guy quick or I guess not quick, but they
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found the guy supposedly air quotes around that. They found the guy. So it's just funny
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cause along with that same theory of like, Oh, we just didn't want to look like dumb
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asses. You know, we could also, they could also be doing that in like, like a, on the
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same side or on the backend, just trying to make it look like we're really capable. You
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know what I'm saying? Does that make sense? That's just interesting. It's interesting
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that both of those almost tie into each other, both those theories. I think it's really interesting.
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The whole thing is just, I don't know the whole back and forth and the way they handle
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the case. And I think there's definitely a lot of questions to be had. And yeah. I don't
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want to detract from any of these theories because at the end of the day, like what else
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you got? I mean, obviously I think it could be a fact that the amount of evidence that
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would be convincing just was never brought forward by the FBI. And so I think it's definitely
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valid for people to have some of these doubts and for a lot of these conspiracy theories
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to arise. But just again, it's like what you're saying. I think it's definitely like an ego
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thing with the government. Oh yeah. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Cause you're, I mean, you
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have so many different states or sorry, governments and nations that, I mean, some of them even
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look to the United States for help, for resources, for protection, whatever it might be. And
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then some are looking at them like, I want to destroy you. So you want to make sure to
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stay and like, I can understand that from a different, like, I mean, I can understand
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that as like, if I were, for instance, if I had a nation, yeah, the government, I wouldn't
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want to make sure that people, I guess I could give off the persona of yeah, I'm the shit,
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you know, don't mess with me. I know what I'm doing. You guys can't screw with me at
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all. You know, like that's a, I think it definitely plays into that almost like that complex,
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you know, of I want to look good. I want to be the big dog. But yeah, that's crazy, man.
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I mean, there's even more pressure too, because not only do we have to make sure we keep looking
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good on the national stage, but I guess like, this is being a little bit overly sympathetic
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to the FBI, those turkeys. But you have, at the time George Bush was still president in
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the unit, you had Robert Mueller, who was the head of the FBI. And yeah, he had to go
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in there. And he had to talk with George Bush in the, the daily briefings almost all the
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time. And Bush was all, I mean, it's known as Bush was known to kind of go down and be
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like, where are we at? Where are we at with it? Where are we at? And so, right. If you
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can imagine, like, you're the head of the FBI, and you have the president keep asking
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you like, have we got the anthrax guy yet? I feel like there's going to be an extra added
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amount of like pressure there. And so I feel like that could have also contributed to the
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sloppy work of the FBI on this case for sure.
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Yeah, for sure. Cause I mean, at the end of the day, it's still a job, right? If you're
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not doing your job, what happens? You get fired. You get, you get replaced, right? And
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so he probably felt like, oh shit, we need to get results, you know? And I mean, obviously
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I think take everything we're saying with a grain of salt, you know, this is definitely
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just a theory, but I'm trying to, I'm just trying to understand where like other, these
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other theories kind of come, come from, you know, I'm trying to find the routes where,
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okay, like I can understand that, you know, I understand what you're saying. Like, yeah,
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that would be hard. I mean, if you're, if you're the head of the FBI, if you're like,
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for instance, if you're in some, some company and your store manager and your district manager
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is like, Hey, why aren't you producing something? You're going to get replaced. So he probably
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felt like, Oh shoot, I need to do something. We need to figure something out. Otherwise
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they're going to replace me. Yeah. Which is just, I mean, nobody wants to lose their job.
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Even if it's like going to be sloppy work, most people, at least you would think we'll
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do whatever they can to keep their job, especially if it's like their main source of income.
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So for sure. Yeah, no, I 100% agree. Like definitely a lot of fear there with the, I
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guess with George Bush and those types of guys. I personally, like, if it was me, I'd
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be scared of Dick Cheney. It looks like the real life version of the penguin for sure.
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He's like, he's a villain. Like, yeah, have you ever heard that guy like speak? No, dude,
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whenever I think of penguin, I just think of the, Oh, was it my, was it Michael Keaton
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or was it George? Oh man. I don't remember who the Batman was, but when Danny DeVito
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was the penguin. Oh yeah. Do you remember that? Yeah. And the cat woman was like all
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leather and freaking like, like freaky. I did that. The Danny DeVito penguin gave me
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nightmares, bro. That's what I think of when I think of the penguin. Yeah. Shoot. The freaking
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penguin, my guy, like, I don't know. Freaking, Oh, but technical difficult difficulties over
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here. Dick Cheney, man, like he's still a freaking super villain these days too. Like
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his daughter, uh, you've probably heard of Liz Cheney a lot. Liz Cheney. I don't know
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how. Oh really? She got like, sorry, this is like a tangerine, but she got kicked out
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of the freaking, uh, Republican party basically, because she went anti-Trump. Um, Oh, very
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nice. Yeah. Um, she used to be, she used to, she's from, uh, Wyoming or I don't know if
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she's personally from Wyoming, but that's who she was representing. Can't remember.
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She was a Senator or she was a Congresswoman, but she, uh, her dad's Dick Cheney, who was
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the vice president during the time. And, um, yeah, he, he, he just scared everybody. He
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was the biggest war hawk that there probably was. He was, you know, a lot of people say
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that, uh, during those, like the first four years of Bush's presidency, um, that George
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Bush was not the president. It was Dick Cheney, but, um, yeah, no, those two did not like
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each other, Bush and Cheney. They did not get along, but I mean, it worked in the end,
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I guess. Yeah, I guess. No, I don't trust Dick Cheney. And so every once in a while,
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if you, if you see every once in a while, when, uh, ever Liz Cheney gets like put on
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the news, the reference like Dick Cheney, but anytime like I hear him like get on like
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Fox or anything like that, I'm just like, Oh my gosh. Oh, here's this guy again. They
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need to throw him on CNN. But, um, yeah, sorry about that. Like long tangent about Dick Cheney.
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He's just real life super billion. Yeah. Real life. But no, really? Yeah. I guess he kind
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of does look, it does. And he does sound like the penguin too. He's an insane guy, but I
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guess, I guess back to like the main point, if I was Robert Mueller and I had a deal with
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Dick Cheney, I'd shit a brick. I'd want to end like any communication I had to do with
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that man. Like immediately. I'd be like, boys, I'm sick and tired of this. Yeah. I quit.
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And then just released every, I don't know. I don't know who it was. Just go back to my
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wife, Martha every day. I feel like Martha dicks at my house again. Fucking penguin wants
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his money. Gotta bring around this band of prostitutes. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Freaking
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Robert Mueller. Poor guy. He's a villain himself, but like, I have more sympathy for him since
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he had to deal with good old Dick. Good old Dick. Nice. But for sure. Um, I guess like
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another conspiracy theory that people had was, um, the anthrax attacks were accidental, like
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lab leaks that they ended up trying to cover up as actual terror attacks to kind of mask
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the fact that they were being incompetent again. So people think that they, some, so
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the lab leaked, yeah, anthrax people got sick, died, and then they sent these letters with
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nothing actually inside of them. Um, I don't know if it's like that, but maybe I don't
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necessarily know the whole, this can, this one was like extremely confusing, but for
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some, somehow anthrax leaked out of the lab. Um, and the government had one of those like,
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oh shit moments. And they're like, well, we need to, uh, make this look like it was an
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intentional like attack. That way we don't seem incompetent if it was like a lab leak
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like that. Um, and so they ended up like staging it like it were terror attacks. That was another
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thing. And so I don't know if there's like an incident that just didn't get like notice
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as much to where maybe, oh shit, it was an accident. And then they just kind of went
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full blown like crazy on their own, where they, uh, started thinking like, ah, shoot,
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we gotta, we gotta make it look like another terror attacks going on. And they were just
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super paranoid. Then you just kind of start this like, like, uh, what are those called?
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Like, like a yarn ball, yarn nest or whatever yarn, yarn ball of lies. That's just unraveling.
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Yeah. So they had to like hover everything up. Like that's, I could see that too. That's
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interesting. I wonder, uh, cause I mean, how would, how would anthrax leave a lab like
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that? That seems like a very, uh, unique situation if it were to leave. That's the million dollar
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question. Cause now they're claiming that Ivan's did it. Um, and remember the magical
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underwater laboratory that didn't exist. Like how would he even ex like, how would you even
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sneak out anthrax to begin with? Um, how would it escape from a lab? Um, and that's why people
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were so surprised when they started talking about it being like a domestic terrorist attack,
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especially when it came from, uh, when they started saying that I haven't stick it from
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you Sam, right? Like, how do you sneak it out of a building like that? This is like military
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owned like laboratory where they're studying how to make biological, like warfare weapons.
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Right. Um, and so, and then just to, just to get further clarification, did they think
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because the attack was, or they say it was okay. Okay. Okay. Whatever you have, you want
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to pronounce it. Yeah. Did they think that he was part of it or he was like paid off
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by them or what? Um, they just basically that they'd never actually resolved that. Cause
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they first came out saying it was Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda, um, some terrorist organization
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because ISIS wasn't a thing then I don't think yet. I don't think so. No. Um, cause didn't
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they also take like, uh, what's it called? Take, um, not blame, but take responsibility
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for it. Yeah. It was like them as well or whatever. Yeah, they did. But I mean, I think
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they're trying to seem scary too. And so they're going to, you know, if somebody backs
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up your grandma, they're going to try and take credit for that too. Yeah. Um, but there's
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no, I didn't see any theories about how, uh, Ivan's was actually like working with Al Qaeda
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or doing anything like that. Yeah. It was just, some people are like, well, the government
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somehow bungled something up. It got out and then they like turn it into a tax when it
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really wasn't a tax. Um, or I guess the, the other one, and this is the one that the FBI
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is trying to like push the most, I guess, is the idea like, he just did it because he
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was a sexual deviant. Oh yes. That's right. I remember we talked about that. He loved
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the sorority girls too much. Which just like, that seems so absurd, like so farfetched,
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you know, I don't know unless what kind of evidence do they have to back that? Cause
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it seems like, why would you, why would you release anthrax because you're a sexual deviant?
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You know, like what, I don't know. That just seems like the opposite of something that
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somebody like that would do. I think a lot of like their explanation too. Um, and I feel
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like they benefited so much from this was, Oh, he's just a mentally ill individual. It's
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like, well, and I feel like driving him to the point to where he, you know, kind of killed
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himself was because, um, that kind of makes it look more valid in that case too. If we
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were to follow that, just the fact that, Oh, look, this person who did all of this, they
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were so mentally unstable that they, uh, they ended up killing themselves and it was all
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just because of this. And so they did it because they were just mentally ill. No necessary
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like real motive. That was one thing that always eluded me is where's the hatred that
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goes for like America and different things like that. There's like, why, why do that?
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If he was, if he, I dunno. Yeah, I agree with you. But then on top of that, then couldn't
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you then argue as well, like the same idea of if they're, I mean, if he's so crazy and
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all and he's working with that type of like chemical or, or like weapon, if you will,
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why don't they vet people better? Why, why was he still working there at that time? That's
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a great question. And see that's, that's something that's always bothered me too. It's like,
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okay, so you guys are claiming that he was such this big security risk yet he had regular
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access to this stuff for a shit ton of time. Yeah. It's not like he only had it for five
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minutes and they left him alone in like the front room of a kitchen with it on the table.
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Like, no, like, yeah, like he's not, he wasn't just like a janitor that happened to like,
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Oh, Hey, I've got keys for the night. I have to go clean. Exactly. He was working there
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as an employee researching this stuff. Like that just seems so farfetched to me, you know,
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like why wouldn't they vet somebody like that a little more, especially when they're working
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in such a high, like, um, what's the word like, like a high security thing, if you will,
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you know, that just seems weird. I mean, you think they would definitely do a little bit
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more like due diligence. And I think, um, I just remember there was something they did
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mention about this and you know, it, it just still doesn't cover it. Their explanation
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was he did this, um, because he was a mentally ill individual, but since he was also working
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on the vaccine for, um, anthrax, he needed to get people scared of it to get more funding
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so then he could finally get his vaccine out there. Um, but, oh, that's right. I think
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we did talk about that last episode as well. Um, and it's, it's an idea, but I just, I
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just don't see it working that way because they already, they had the funding and this
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is the U S government that was right there at a military base. There's, there was no
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need necessarily to try and push this out there from, from what I've heard or not necessarily
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what I've heard, but from what I've looked up, there was no, um, threat from the government
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of shutting down the anthrax vaccine program or anything like that. It was always just
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going to continue to work on that and eventually would have gotten to human trials. And so
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I don't, I, I personally, um, do not see the logic behind, okay, um, I want to get this
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vaccine out there sooner. Um, so I'm going to go and affect a whole bunch of people and
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just make them scared. I just, to me, like the logic just isn't there for him to go and
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do that. Cause he had the funding. Um, he had everything he needed to keep working on
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it. It was just, you know, make the vaccine and then you can go into human trials. Right.
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So even though the FBI claims that I just, I personally don't believe, um, but I, at
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this point, since we don't really have a definitive, like, this is the reason why, or this isn't
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the reason why kind of all falls onto, I guess us as individuals, like what we think happened
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because I don't think we'll ever really know the truth. Yeah. Um, unless it's somewhere
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written down, but I don't think you just got to run for president and then find out all
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the, the, the truths. We'll have to see you one day. Just kidding. Um, nah, that was something
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that just random tangent thought that reminds me of when, uh, uh, Donald Trump was like
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president and he was like, I'll find out about the aliens. We never found anything else.
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Well, dude, have you been seeing like all the videos that the FBI has released with
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it, where they like, see just like kind of like, uh, I guess, I don't know if you could
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consider it unexplainable stuff going on, but there's a bunch of like videos in the
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last probably a year or so that have surface at the, the government's released where it's
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like showing like a pilot flying around and then it's like some unidentified object. Yeah.
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Just zooming through this guy. And they're like, yeah, we don't know what it is. Like
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I, and that's the thing. Like it sucks. Cause I would, I don't know where you stand with
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this, but I would love to know if there was other life out there, you know, that'd be
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so cool. Oh yeah, for sure. I definitely, I would love to know. I'd love to know if
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we've really have had contact and all of this stuff with them, but they're being very stingy
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with those files. Yeah. Yeah. It sucks. That's why we should just start there. Raid area
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51 again. Actually do it this time. Come on now. Let's not make it. Oh yes. Allegedly.
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Yes. I think I just saw Dick Cheney out the window. Oh shit. He's looking his lips. He
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doesn't like that. Oh dude. Is your phone recording? What the, is it listening? Shoot.
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Um, but yeah, I think it'd be sweet. I guess that's kind of a tangent as well, but I did
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want to mention, um, kind of to go along with the anthrax and the conspiracy theory behind
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that being released by the government by accident or on purpose. Yeah. Um, I guess this is another
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tangent, but where do you sit with COVID and coronavirus? Cause that's, I mean, I'm sure
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everybody has an opinion on this, but people, I mean, just now, I think I read an article
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like two weeks ago saying that they have traced it back to a lab in Wuhan. Oh yeah. Yeah.
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So it's like, like where, I mean, if the truth, truth starts to come out, what kind of repercussions
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does that bring to, I guess, China in general or that lab, whatever it was, or will they
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keep trying to say, Oh no, it was the rat or the bat or whatever it was. Was that released
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on purpose? Was it released on accident? Was it a controlled release that got out of hand?
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Like there's so many things that I've survived and forgive me for, for going on this tangent,
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but I've read so many things about like, Oh, the population in China was just too, too
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large. So they wanted to have a controlled release and then it ended up getting to the
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rest of the world. And that's how people think like, Oh, it was, it was China that was trying
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to kind of thin their herd, if you will. Or there's other thing, theories that I've heard
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where it was like, Oh, they, there was these Chinese people or Chinese people in the lab
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that just like hated America. Yeah. And they sent it off hoping that it would just like
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shut down the whole room, stuff like that, like crazy stuff. Yeah. Where do you think
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is that kind of, if let's say, if it was a controlled release, do you think we were in
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cahoots?
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Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't. Well, I don't think it was a, well, it would have only been a
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controlled release in the sense of, yeah, they wanted to fuck the world over. Um, because
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I do not think it would ever be anything for the Chinese government to use that thin out
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the herd. Cause they have no issue committing genocide with their own people all the time.
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Yeah. I guess you're right. There's a group of people. I don't want to say any of like
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the specific or try and name any names because I don't want to get it wrong. And then you're
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right.
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No, we can just spare the details, but give a general idea. Yeah. China's already been
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targeting a specific group of people and they've been, um, trying to commit basically genocide
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on this group of individuals. And so I don't, and in the past, I mean, under Mao Zedong,
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like he killed a lot of people. Right. And so I don't think, um, the Chinese would have
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any issue to control their population by just like running and uh, just taking care of it.
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Yeah. They could definitely do it themselves. So if they try and say, Oh, it was a, an attempt
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at population control, I'm going to call bullshit on that cause that just doesn't follow with
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China's track record. And then I guess going on with that, I don't necessarily think the
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U S government would be in cahoots with China on releasing, uh, the virus just because I
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don't think we would have gotten enough. Well, I don't know. I just don't think the U S government
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would have benefited as much as they normally wanted to. I mean, the government's greedy
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as hell. Right. And so I don't like just looking at what they've gotten done and what kind
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of power they were able to get through the Corona virus, um, outbreak and trying to,
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um, handle the pandemic. Like I just don't feel like they would have wasted the resources
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on that. But then again, like the government's also pretty stupid. And so I can see them
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doing it too. Right. Um, I just don't think that the Chinese would actually work with
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us on spreading like a global plague. Right. I think the Chinese just, you know, I, I can
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kind of sympathize with this a little bit. Sometimes it's fun to just kind of watch the
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world burn. And I feel like the Chinese can be like that sometimes. Right. They're trying
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to be strategic about it for sure. Yeah. Um, but at sometimes you just throw it out there
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and you had to be like, ha ha white boy. Let's see how you deal with it. So, and then I guess
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if that is the case, if that is the case, then why haven't any red flags been risen
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about like, why was that being manufactured there? Why was that being worked on? Like
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what was their plan? I mean, cause usually as far as I know about the virus, it only
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affected animals, not humans. I guess we are considered animals, but like it only affected
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like bats and stuff. So I'm calling cap. Yeah. They, it must have 100% like I'd be surprised
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if it didn't like actually, uh, they knew what they were doing. It's a freaking Corona
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virus. Right. They, they had it in the lab. They were playing with it. They knew exactly
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how it was going to affect people. And, um, if it was accidental, I don't think it was
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necessarily like, Oh no, we know it's only going to affect animals. Like I bet you the
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strain they were working with was one that could, um, like target human beings. Right.
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Um, and it just maybe had the vector of like an animal if it wasn't an animal when it left,
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but, and I can't really fault the Chinese by themselves on having like their own lab
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that's doing bio weapons. We're doing it as well. We're doing it. Almost any countries
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is doing it. It doesn't mean it's like ethical and it's a good thing. Like nobody's handing
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out gold stars for building your own bio weapons, but like, can you imagine dude, you're a,
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you're a scientist and they give you a gold star. Oh, good job. You found a new one. Oh,
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you created this one. Let's see how those across the pond deal with it now. Here's a
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gold star. Now you're going to die. Basically. Um, but I also wouldn't be surprised if like,
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you know, they just got somebody infected them and threw them into the population. Cause
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sometimes science, you just want to see how things work. And, um, here's a, this is a
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something I thought it was interesting about the coronavirus. We'll just put a quick pin
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in this real quick, but, um, there was this coronavirus doesn't, um, affect the same way,
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but it could be a, I've heard it referred to as a possibility. If in theory, this is
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a conspiracy. If the Chinese were doing it to, for any like nefarious reasons, they would
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just be detest how different countries would respond to a global pandemic. Right. And,
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um, something that's actually really interesting, uh, that I've heard somebody re reference
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before is with the measles virus. Yeah. Um, so the measles itself, it's not like, I mean,
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I'm, don't quote me on this. I haven't, I don't have any data in front of me. I just
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know everybody take what we say with a grain of salt. I just know generally from, uh, what
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I do know about the measles virus is it will, it's one of the, it's, it's a disease that
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when you get it, it may not necessarily be the worst thing that you get in the moment.
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Some people get it terribly and you know, if they pass away, that's, that's unfortunate
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and that's really bad, but not everybody passes away. But what it does is it can affect the
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memory of your immune system. So stuff that you may have caught in before could affect
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you really bad again. Yeah. Cause your immune system just kind of forgot about it. Yeah.
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It just wipes the memory. And so, um, it was put forward that, you know, if the Chinese
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in this type of situation were to make something that doesn't make you super sick, but it erases
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the memory of your immune system. And in this case, let's say COVID did just that, then,
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um, that would lay prep work for the Chinese to go ahead and release something a little
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bit bigger next time. Right. And so you get this, and especially because, um, it takes
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so long for your immune system to build itself back up after, uh, fighting an illness or
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a virus or anything like that, that the recovery time, um, could be just so exponential to
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where your immune system is now vulnerable to a whole bunch of new things. Let's throw
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this other thing that may be similar to the other things, but now that your immune system
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memory is gone, we can throw this out there and cause even more damage. Exactly. Yeah.
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Cause your body can't fight it off. I mean, it will eventually, if you can make it through
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exactly, but your body doesn't know immediately how to fight it off. Yeah. That's crazy. And
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so that was one theory. And I personally, um, since we, everybody kind of has these
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nuclear, um, weapons of mass destruction. Nobody likes the idea of mutually shared destruction
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kind of like during the cold war where it's like, nobody wanted to use a nuke, right?
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The United States, nor Russia, because, you know, nobody wanted to die because we knew
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if we struck first and they were going to strike just as hard back, if not more. Um,
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and I think Corona virus is also a good test to say like, Hey, look, this was an accident.
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Oh no, we released that when, you know, you could intentionally release certain viruses
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to attack your, uh, political rivals, I guess you could say, um, and then just be like,
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oops, our bad. And I feel like it's a lot harder to track down, uh, like viruses and
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bacteria and those, then it is to follow the trail where the bomb was dropped to see who
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launched it at you. So I feel like, uh, those are, I don't know, different type of like
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warfare. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, it is for sure. Bio warfare is definitely going
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to be the future of war versus nuclear. I think that's where we should be more afraid.
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That's my own personal opinion. And of course, like, we don't need to be terrified right
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now. I'm just saying, um, that seems like it would be the future, um, which to me is
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like absolutely fascinating, but at the same time, like it's, it's kind of fucked up.
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Yeah. I mean, I think any type of, honestly, I mean, I think everybody is of the same opinion
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unless you're not, but, um, I think most people would be pretty terrified of any sort of warfare
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or anything, right? Um, but I guess to go along with that, I've heard that the next
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is going to be like, uh, what was it? Like, like AI warfare or something like that, or,
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or like just technology in general, where they'd find a way to, it's like cut us off
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pretty much of our technology, our devices, electricity, stuff like that, almost like
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gorilla warfare. But yeah, I have you heard of that kind of, I don't remember what they
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called it, but I get what you're talking about. Yeah. I know. I don't know what it's called,
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but yeah, basically, um, be like, Hey, good luck guys. You guys like your electricity
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and your running water and, um, you realize so much on your phones and stuff, right? Take
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it all away to like cripple a country. Literally. You could cripple a country dude. Cause that's
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you're essentially putting people back into the stone age. Oh yeah. And then that would
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cause mass like anarchy. Cause the thing is with people, they, especially like, like people,
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families and stuff, what's the first thing you're going to do? Protect your family, provide
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for your family, whether you're the female male, whatever the, the, the, the family's
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going to try and provide for itself. And what's going to, if something like that were to happen,
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what's going to happen? Anarchy, dude. People are going to start attacking each other, try
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to hoard resources, take people out for their resources. It would be war within the United
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States or any nation that you did that to. But yeah, it could literally cripple. Like
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I guess we're super far off the tangent, but, um, yeah, I dunno. I just thought that was
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pretty interesting as well. Just the different types of ways people could like ruin a nation
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or ruin the world. Really? It's just insane. You don't, Oh, you know what also kind of
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like freaked me out about all that whole situation was, did you ever watch the movie like infected
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or, or virus or whatever it's called? Who's with them? Um, Mark Wahlberg? No, Matt Damon.
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I think it was Matt Damon. Shoot. I don't remember. He was a guy on born identity. Oh,
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I was about to say Jason Bourne Jason born Jason borns in it. Um, and then Gwyn Paltrow,
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but what happens is she goes to China and then, um, she goes to like a casino restaurant,
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whatever. And sorry if I'm spoiling this cause major spoilers ahead. If you're going to plan
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on watching this movie, I don't remember what it's called. I think it was virus or infected
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or something like that. Um, but she goes to China and, uh, she is it can casino, get some
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food and the shit when he was cheating on her husband. Yes. It's that movie. Yeah. I
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know. It's that talking about, is that contagion? Is that what it was? Contagion? Yes. That's
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what it is. Yeah. So yeah. So in that movie, she like has that meal where that, that chef
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like chopped up a pig or something like that. I can't remember, but it had some virus with
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it and then it ends up, it was weird cause I watched it. Um, I think I watched it like
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a year ago on a plane actually. And, uh, and it was kind of freaky cause I was like, this
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is almost the exact same thing that happened to us a year and a half ago, two years. Right.
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And it was just kind of weird. I was like, what, like, what is going on right now? It
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was almost like I was watching the last two years play out in a movie. Yeah. Cause almost
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the exact same thing. Lady comes home from China and she spreads it to her family, spreads
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it to a bunch of people. And it's just kind of insane that a movie like that almost predicted
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what would happen in 10 years later. You know, isn't that so weird? It is crazy. It almost
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gives off like a vibe. Like that's almost, it's almost like another conspiracy, almost
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like a right, you know, where, Oh, somebody saw that movie and was like, Oh, you know,
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we can actually do that. That actually could be a reality, you know, and then just did
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it. It's crazy. It's insane. Glad you remember reminded or remember that movie because that
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movie's crazy. It is insane. And then I did die like that lady. I hate her too. I hate
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her too. The, uh, the, uh, reporter that's like saying, Oh no, like this is guys. Trust
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me. This is, this is the cure to it. That also reminded me exactly of Joe Rogan, dude.
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Oh yeah. Cause did you watch the movie? Yeah. Yeah. Cause you know, that guy, the reporter
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that's like, Oh, there's this other medicine that like I've been taking it and I, I'm immune.
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Right. And it was like the same thing with Joe Rogan and, uh, what was he saying? Oh
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crap. I forgot what he was saying. It was like whatever. I can't remember what he said
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was like the cure for COVID, but do you remember when that, all that stuff happened with him?
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There were so many different cures with everybody. Right. Like it's bleach. Yeah, I do remember
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that. I think the big one was a hydroxychloroquine. I think that's the one. Yeah. Yeah. That's
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the one that, uh, the Rogan, um, was also endorsing, but it was just funny cause like
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it was, well, it wasn't funny, but it was just so interesting. It was so interesting
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to see the parallels between a film that is supposed to be completely like made up, you
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know, hypothetical situation to see that play out almost in real life, exactly how it played
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out in the movie. Very interesting. I think it's, uh, I don't know. I think the whole
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thing's really, I don't know. It's all, they say like truth is stranger than for it than
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fiction and you know, um, I don't know how many coincidences there are, uh, how things
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could happen. I guess, I don't know. People get their influences or their ideas from different
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ways and it could just possibly be, um, that, oh yeah, this happened by chance and it was
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one of the most likely ways for things to happen. But, and that's, I mean, I don't know.
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It's weird. Cause the other thing too is like, everybody points out like, Oh, the Simpsons
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always like freaking states, the future is something like that, you know, where they
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like something crazy. Like, like I think in the Simpsons, Donald Trump becomes president
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and then he became president in real life and people were like losing their minds over
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that. Oh yeah. I'm pretty sure that's, that was one of them. Something crazy like that.
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And then like, I don't know, it's just stuff like that. Whereas like how many coincidence
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can there be until you start kind of like forming a line toward a conclusion, you know?
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And I guess that's kind of what people have done with that, with the anthrax, right? You
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know, it was like, there's so many occurrences of weird things happening to where it's like,
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well, how many lines can go or point to the government for instance, you know, how many
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lines can point toward, I'll guide the government for every fucking thing in my life.
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Nice. But yeah, I mean, if you catch one of saying like, it's just, uh, there's, there
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can only be so many things, so many coincidences that happen to people start kind of formulating
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their own ideas of the truth. Right. And I, I don't know, maybe that's what happened with,
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I guess we're full circle back to anthrax. Yeah. Maybe that's what happened with, I don't
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know, like the government, you know, maybe they really had no hand in it. And eventually
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just like, Oh man, like there's so many coincidences. This guy was kind of crazy, blah, blah, blah,
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this and that. Maybe it was him. Maybe they started convincing themselves that it was
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him, blah, blah, blah. Or, you know, like there could have been a huge alternate alternative,
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geez, can't speak alternative motive to the whole idea, right? Maybe it was, I want to
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control the people. I want to control the population here and tell them what to do and
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control the fear in their life and their anxiety and get them to abide more to the rule. I
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feel like that would be, I mean, basically, yeah, it's kind of exactly kind of like what
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you were saying. It's just, there's only so many parallels that somebody could like, pull
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like from the government and from that to where, um, you know, saying like saying they
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didn't have anything to do with this at all. Uh, I feel like they could have just trapped
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themselves in their own echo chamber and convinced themselves that, Oh, it must have been this
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guy. Um, and I've seen this, I can't remember where I've seen this most recently, but what's
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been going on, uh, in the government in general. And I was listening to this earlier. I can't
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remember who was saying it, but there's been so many, um, just decisions made flat out
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like, okay, this is the end decision. Like this person's guilty now, instead of investigating
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the crime, like to find out who is guilty, no, let's just look at it and try and find
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the way to make this person guilty because we know he's guilty, even though we don't
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know who's actually guilty. Right. Um, and so I feel like that could have been part of
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it too. They, they were just so focused on the fact that, um, the anthrax, um, had to
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come from somebody who was smart enough to use it, I guess is kind of what they put it.
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They, they didn't think it could have came from, uh, any of the terrorist countries because
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they want to have the, uh, what is the word? The resources to, yeah, the terrorists wouldn't
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be able to synthesize the anthrax into the powder that it was to move. And so it had
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to be, um, an actual United States individual or somebody, uh, here, a domestic terrorist
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who had the, um, background and being able to work with it. And I feel like it was just
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so easy to just pick anybody who, Oh, look, they have a, an understanding of how anthrax
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works and, uh, this, that to just throw them all on a radar. And I feel like, especially
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during this time, the tensions were high enough. I mean, you got good old Dick yelling at you
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every day and being an absolute prick. Just a menace and just telling you like, Hey, you
590
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need to find out who's doing this. You need to find out who's doing this. And all you
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know is like, this stuff is really freaking complicated to make. So they need like equipment
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and they need the know how. And so everybody who is a scientist that looks like they, uh,
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they might know how to do it is now on your radar. Um, and then you magically find this,
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this odd duck scientist, um, and you just throw it all on him. Exactly. And something
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that just, this blows my mind just a little bit. If it had to come from a lab, like that
596
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just seems like so much work. Like it didn't have to come from that lab. Cause you can
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find anthrax just out in the world, like regularly. Um, there's this place, I believe it's like
598
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a part of Russia or off the coast of Russia. It's called anthrax Island and it's littered
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with anthrax everywhere. Terrifying. And I'm pretty sure you're banned to like go there,
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but like, if you wanted to get anthrax, um, I feel like it would have been easier for
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somebody to go get it from the Ruskies or going that route than it would be to try and
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sneak it out of like a military laboratory. Like, I don't know, maybe I need some freaking,
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um, Liam Neeson type of guy who can sneak stuff out of the laboratory to tell me how
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easy that would be for, uh, getting freaking anthrax out of you Samrid. But, um, outside
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of that, like, I just feel like the effort it would take to take it out of there would
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just be too much versus, you know, getting it from this other sources. And so I don't
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think we would have to really all just focus on, um, United States scientists. I think
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scientists, like foreign scientists have the capabilities of doing the same thing. Right.
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I, I don't know. I don't necessarily follow the logic they were going with there. Well,
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and then almost like, I mean, yeah, cause I would agree with you. It would almost be
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like more work than it's worth, you know? Yeah. And so at that point where it's like,
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if it is, if it is too much work to do it, then wouldn't you think then at that point,
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like the, sorry, bless you. Excuse me. Um, then wouldn't you think that somehow the government
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did have a hand in it? Cause who else would be able to get it out of there without raising
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any red flags, you know? And that's actually a really good point. I never really thought
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about it like that much before. Like, yeah, if the government's the one who has it and
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they're who else would be able to get it out at that point? Um, could be, we're just giving
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the government security too much credit. Yeah. It could be shit. Yeah. It could be just the
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worst security ever, you know? Like it's, but I mean, not especially, but I know, and
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that's the other thing too. There's so many, I don't want to get off super off tangent,
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but like, yeah, like with nine 11 where people think that was also like a, a inside job.
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Yeah. Um, I believe after nine 11, most, if not all security just in general, not just
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for like flying and stuff entering the country was substantially upgraded. Oh yeah. And so
624
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at that point, maybe it was pretty garbage security, but you would assume because it
625
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is such a high like consequence thing that they would keep it locked down very well.
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I would assume so. I mean, um, shoot, if they only thought to like revamp the security of
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the Pentagon after nine 11, then we got some pretty stupid people in the government. Yeah.
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We got some other issues. I mean, actually I shouldn't be surprised. I mean, it is the
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fucking government. Just make sure anytime something goes wrong in your life, just make
630
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sure to fucking blame the government. Yeah. Thanks Obama. Those were the good old days.
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Those were the memes when everybody was just like, ah, God damn it. Obama, this is your
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00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:49,100
fault. Fall off your bike. Thanks Obama. Papa tired. Thanks. Obama. Poor guy. He got so
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much like he got, he got memes so hard. He started growing a gray hair for real. That
634
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was the greatest toll of his presidency. He had this dude, he would hop on the internet
635
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and just see all these people roasting him. That would be so hard to be a public figure
636
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,880
though. Honestly. Yeah. It'd be so difficult. Like shit. I hope this thing freaking, I will,
637
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:15,200
I hope this podcast blows up, but if it does blow up, I'm going to delete all of my social
638
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,680
media. Well, that's all you can do at that point. I'm just going to throw my phone into
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the lake and then use a flip phone. Cause I don't, I just don't want to get roasted dude.
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For real though. Like I can guarantee you that some eventually either like if it ever does
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get traction, people ever do like listen to this. Something we say is either going to
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01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,720
be offensive now or it's going to be offensive in the future and we're just going to get
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01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:44,600
fucking canceled. Yeah. That's our thing. It was like, like when people like, oh, well
644
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:50,840
this guy said like the N word 20 years ago or 1915, whatever, how long ago canceled.
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Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's just a cancel culture is kind of like, like running rampant right
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01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:03,880
now. Oh yeah. And it's for anything. Oh, like, oh, you said this girl was overweight 15 years
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01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:09,720
ago canceled. Oh, you said that guy had a big nose canceled. You know, it's just like
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crazy. It's crazy. It's running rampant. And that's what terrifies me dude. Cause I don't
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want to, you know, cause those people that do get canceled, some of them come back, but
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some their careers are ruined for life. I'll just put this out there right now. Like if
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you're just canceling people, cause they're a piece of shit, then like everybody's canceled.
652
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Right. Everybody's a piece of shit. We all have, yeah, we all have our secrets. We all
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have our, our mishaps and our mistakes that we've made this thing though. People change,
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you know, right. People, uh, they go through changes. I think like I'm nowhere near the
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same person that I was 10 years ago where I was in high school or even when I was like
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in junior high, even five years ago, even, you know, I'm, I'm so far the opposite way
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of who I used to be because I didn't like myself, you know? And that's the thing I used
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to mess up a lot. And if people think in my past, yeah, a little fine, fine things that
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I regret a lot, you know, right. So it's like, well, shoot, why am I getting canceled for
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something that like, I don't, I no longer believe it, you know, it's just, it's so interesting.
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Yeah. I think it's just out of, I don't know. It's out of nothing better to do. It's just
662
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an excuse to bitch honestly. But, um, I totally believe this. There's this quote that I was
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reminded of. Um, I don't know who the author is, so please forgive me, but it is, uh, it
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goes something along the lines of, if you give me six lines written by the hand of the
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most honest men, I will find something in them in which to hang them. And so basically
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like, you know, regardless who you are, uh, you could give me the works or you can bring
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me whoever the best person you think they are. And I can go through their entire life
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and I'll find something in which we can use to hang them. Yeah. Everyone's got a dead
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body in their basement, whatever. Exactly. And so, yeah, definitely. Oh yeah. I'm going
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to get canceled eventually. Regardless. I don't care who you are. Everybody's going
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to get canceled. Um, if they ever want to do something more, um, I don't know, be like
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an on the radar. Yeah. So just keep a low profile. Basically. But no, um, or just don't
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leave any evidence. FBI. Are you here? Shoot. But, um, no, 100% for sure. Uh, I, it is a
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dangerous game to, to kind of play, to try and make a name for yourself in this world,
675
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especially when, you know, you can Google a person and find all this stuff about him
676
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in a matter of seconds versus I think, um, in the early days of America, they're like,
677
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,720
well, if you just weren't doing so good in one town, you just change your name and go
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to another one next door and you're fine. Um, but it falls you everywhere now because
679
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of the internet, you know, which is crazy because it is such a huge resource to us,
680
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but it is probably, it could be one of our biggest downfalls. Oh yeah. You got to literally
681
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be like Jesus Christ in order. Well, I take that back. People hate him. Um, there's barely
682
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anything you can do. Thanks Obama. Dang. It's all weird too. Cause I remember like growing
683
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up when everybody magically just one day woke up so fucking darn sensitive. Like everything
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was fine. Like, ah, please, please Lord, forgive me. But like, um, I'll refer to it in, I don't
685
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know. You used to get in trouble for calling something retarded. Like you were okay with
686
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that, but then, um, magically in 2016, a whole bunch of people got super sensitive about
687
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a whole bunch of things. And now if you, you were to call somebody that, or you were to
688
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:54,560
say, say that in the way that I would refer to it back on the playground with my friends
689
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will be like, Oh yeah, that thing's retarded. Like, there was no like hate or anything behind
690
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:05,680
that or bigotry or like, right. It was just a word to you at that point. You know, exactly.
691
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And that's the thing. Like I think, man, we're super off off topic right now. We'll get back.
692
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We'll get back. We'll get there with us. Um, but I think that's, I think like what people
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say where you, what is that saying? Where you give words power. I think that holds a
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lot of validity. I think, dude, I think there are words out there though, that can really
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hurt people even if they're not like, you wouldn't even consider them like bad. Um,
696
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but yeah, I mean, I agree with you. It's, it's, I tell, I tell people this quite a lot,
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but I think the ability to share your opinion right now is very easy. And that makes it
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so exactly what we're saying is cancel culture culture can just run rampant. Oh yeah. And
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it's just hard because everybody, once somebody shares an opinion, people like to, especially
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if it's a like a unpopular, unpopular opinion, um, people like to just dig a grave as soon
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01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,400
as they can. Right. You know? And so something like we're saying where it's like, Oh, you
702
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:13,720
know, like we hate cancel culture, whatever. Somebody could hear this and then immediately
703
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just like, I hate this. I'm going to tweet it out right now. And that's the ability to
704
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speak your mind so easily. Right. And it sucks. Mind you, I love being able to like talk to
705
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:28,000
my friends, talk on his podcast, share my thoughts and just kind of like shoot the shit
706
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,360
right now. You know? But the thing is that it's not like that anymore, unfortunately,
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because if you do the ability that we have that we're using right now to share our voice,
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people will do so to take you down, which is just crazy. Sucking pricks. Yeah. Like
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sucks at the end of the day. Yeah. People, people fucking suck. And I think that's, that's
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definitely like a big thing too. It's just, you can't share your opinion that anybody
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01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:59,800
disagrees with. And you know, people, they talk about how, Oh, it's free speech. We could
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do this, that, and the other thing that's like, yeah, it is free speech. And we have
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to practice like a level of tolerance to where we have to be willing to listen to other people's
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ideas and we can't just throw a temper tantrum every time we don't like something and then
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mass an entire community to just like force somebody down. Yeah. And I feel like that's
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the biggest issue with cancel culture. Cause it definitely goes both ways. I've seen both
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on the left and on the right where it's gotten a little bit of out of, a little out of hand
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and it's just like, yeah, calm down guys. Like, yeah. Why can't people just have their
719
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opinions? Why can't people just kind of live their life? You know, I'm of that same, I
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don't know. I'm just of the opinion of just freaking don't bother me. I won't bother you.
721
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I don't care. Do what you want. People don't like that though. Yeah. And that's why I have
722
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to conform. Right. Yeah. It sucks. Cause I would love to just keep to myself. If I could
723
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keep to myself, shoot, I'm, I'm chilling, you know, and I won't say anything to you
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about what you want to do with your life. I don't care what you're into. I don't care
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how you want to be great. If you want to do your thing, you want to be yourself. Awesome.
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I'm all for that. I, I love supporting people that want to be themselves, but I don't care
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for people trying to stop me from being myself either. Right. You know, I just think just
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live and let live, I guess, you know, it sounds kind of corny, but I mean, that's all you
729
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:25,800
really can do. So like, no, I definitely get where you're coming from. And I definitely
730
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agree. Like, you know, it, it's gotten a little out of hand. And so sometimes, yeah, I do
731
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feel that it makes, I don't know. It's not, it's not necessarily fair because there's
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people who just want to live their lives. And just because you don't like what they're
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doing doesn't mean like you should be able to just shut them down. Right. Exactly. So
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I'm just, I'm of the same sentiment. Just you do you, I do me, as long as you're not
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infringing on, on who I am as an individual, that we shouldn't have an issue. Um, and we
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should definitely be allowed to discuss our, our feelings and our opinions without having
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to be scared of beyond exactly, exactly. And you know, it's okay if somebody disagrees
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with you. It's literally that, you know, that was something I learned in counseling before
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too. It's like, okay, somebody doesn't agree with you. What next? Like, what is that going
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to do? You found out that Jim doesn't like the same color jelly beans as you. Right.
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How does that affect you going forward? Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing. Like it doesn't.
742
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Exactly. It doesn't. And you know what I love is I do like when people disagree with me
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and if they're willing to, I like having a conversation with them. So I say, Oh, why
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01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,880
are you of that opinion? I'm just genuinely curious. Cause I want to understand where
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01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,640
you're coming from. I'm not going to like bag on you for any reason, unless it's like,
746
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Oh, I hate Dr. Pepper or something. Yeah. I'll freaking shit on you. But no, I'm just
747
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:58,320
kidding. Um, but I like understanding where other people kind of like, where they, how
748
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:03,160
they think, how they see things differently than myself, you know? Right. And I guess,
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I mean, to go full circle, that's what a lot of people did with this anthrax, right? Everybody
750
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kind of formulates their own opinion about what happened. Um, regardless if we even know
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the truth, you know, we, we may never know, like you were saying earlier, we may never
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know what actually happened in this situation. It could have been just stupidity from the
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government. Right. It could have actually been somebody wanting to be malicious to his
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neighbors or his family, whatever it was, you know, the government or the American people.
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Um, or it really could have been some like terrorist group, you know, you w we may never
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find out the truth, but I think it is within everyone's right to be able to kind of like
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formulate their own opinion on this. And let's do the FBI. Yeah. And let's just kidding.
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Um, but yeah, I, I would say invite anybody to, I guess, share what they think happened
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in this situation. Cause I'd be interested to see, I honestly would. Cause I, I, I think
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everybody, like I said earlier, but I think everybody has a different way of, uh, thinking
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and viewing things where you could see something that I'm not, you know, or you can think of
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something like, Oh shoot, what about this different avenue? What if this actually happened?
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You know, I just, I love hearing that kind of information, you know, cause I think it's,
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you should be able to share that and not feel like you're going to get in trouble or tarnished
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by anything, you know? Right. And I feel like that was, that was probably one of the biggest
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advantages too. Uh, when I was on jury duties, cause you know, there might've been something
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I missed that somebody else on the jury picked up. And so when we were talking about it,
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um, we were able to come together and share like our notes, like, Oh, I caught this. Oh,
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I didn't catch that. Like, Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. And as we were both going back and forth
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talking about it, we got to hear each other's like opinions on like, okay, this is why I
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think this is this way, or this is that way, like why this charges is valid or it isn't
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valid. And so I feel like, yeah, that's definitely something that, um, is, is necessary and very
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valid valuable is to actually listen to people before coming up to our own conclusions. Um,
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and you know, definitely on this whole anthrax situation, I'd love to hear from other people.
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I mean, uh, please shoot us an email at, uh, shadow.valleypod at the doge network.com.
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Um, yeah, I think it would be good to hear, uh, if anybody has an opinion on, uh, what
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actually happened with the anthrax, um, attacks or if they have, um, any additional information
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that might've been missed in, uh, the book that I referenced or the, uh, two documentaries,
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one of them being the nice Hollywood version, um, Netflix documentary that just really paints
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Ivan's as like this sexual deviant or the more, uh, tuned down, just kind of more factual,
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uh, CBS documentary. Uh, if anybody else has any outside like resources, definitely shoot
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them, uh, shoot them to us. I'd love to read more about it to see if there's anything major
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to swing like, oh no, like this is evidence he did it or not. Or if there's somebody else
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that, you know, we have evidence for that, we just never got to, to investigate just
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another avenue, not even, I mean, we're not the judge jury or executioner. We're just,
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uh, we're just people who are curious. And so definitely if you have any information
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or opinions on this, definitely, uh, shoot us an email at the dot shadow dot Valley,
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uh, pod at the Doge network.com. But yeah, I think it's good. I'd definitely love to
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hear more, um, from people. And I don't know the whole thing. So curious about the, the
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anthrax attacks and, um, yeah, honestly, cause it's just you and me, right? We only have
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our thoughts to kind of bounce off of, but I would love, I would love it if people would
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like just send a message and be like, Oh, you know what? I think this is what happened.
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Just to kind of see, but I don't know. I think there'd be fun to, to look it over and do
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some more research on it, but for sure. Have you, have you seen the documentaries yet?
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No, no, I need to watch them. I just have been so busy. That's why this episode's coming
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out so late. Cause I've, it's all on me. I've been busy. I get that freaking everybody's
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so busy in the freaking world. I'm so exhausted all the time. I swear. Yeah, me too. But no,
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for sure. Um, yeah, I think this is as far as like, I know about the anthrax. This is
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as far as I got. Um, yeah, I think it would definitely be cool to hear other people's
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stuff. Um, but I guess overall guys, like, that's all I have. Is there anything you,
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you don't have? Um, so I guess just coming forward, we're just working on a few things.
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We're going to kind of see what's up in the pipe works and work on that. And I'll try
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and, uh, let you guys know as soon as possible. Uh, if you guys have any questions, comments,
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concerns, or any suggestions just in general, or any topics you'd like us to go over, please.
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Uh, again, I guess this is the third time saying it, but, uh, shoot us an email at shadow.valleypod
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at the doge network.com. Um, yeah, I think that about does it for me. You know, we kind
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of dived into aliens just then that'd be kind of fun. We'll do aliens next. That's what
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I was going to ask you. Actually, I was going to ask you shortly after I was like, Hey,
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you want to talk about alien? Yeah, I don't know. Let us know. Let us know. If nobody
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lets us know, we do an aliens. Hells. Yeah. Oh yeah. All right. Everybody have a great
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rest of your life. See ya. Bye.