Why Do Fans Hate Pogacar? Tour Tech, Kate Courtney & Cycling Safety | Ep. 40

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Welcome to episode 40, season two of the Service Course Report podcast. It's July 17, 2026. We are recording on a Friday afternoon, stage 13 of the Tour de France. It's a warm July on Spotify, where you can watch us video and audio. YouTube, Apple, Amazon. We're on substack. Please, like share, subscribe. Send us to your friends, send us your questions. We've had some good comments and questions and we had some readers submit some photos. So send us your old photos that maybe miraculously might have pictures of some of us in them. And we want to thank our sponsor, Lazer Helmets, Chris Smith. It's our first official sponsor in the Ventu kinetic core helmet. We've all been wearing that. It's five stars on Virginia Tech, which I think I really recommend. You look at Virginia Tech's rating. I wouldn't wear anything that isn't five stars.
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Yeah, there it is.
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My surfing friends used to call me five star, so that was
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something new every day.
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Five star. I like it.
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Five star. Yeah. The great graphics that they put on there.
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So, yeah, there it is for us
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to have something like that.
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Sweet. Thank you.
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Seconds after I took this selfie, I slid out and didn't hit my head, but I hit my hip. And it's getting better. But anyway, we talked about that last week. Question of the week. We're gonna move at rapid pace this week. Did the Internet trolls hate on Tade or Todd worse than Nino, the mountain bike superstar who just recently retired? What do you guys think? Good question.
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Yeah, I mean, I started thinking about this as it's like people were. Are booing this guy who's doing his job, and he's just. He's the best that there ever was, you know, and like, we didn't get to. We didn't get to witness Eddie Merckx in his prime just because of our age. Right. Right into cycling then. But like, we. We saw. We saw Jordan, we saw Kobe, right? People. I don't know. I don't remember people hating on them. Maybe fans of different teams. But I started thinking about this. I'm like, Nino Schurter. And I pulled some of his stuff 10 times.
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Paul Mars are amazing.
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10 times. He was elite world champion 10 times. Right. And he won the overall World cup nine times. Right. So 10 times world champion. Nine times overall world Cup. And he was the. And he also won an Olympic gold medal in 2016. He won a silver medal in 2012, and he won a bronze medal in 2008.
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And. And then the most miraculous thing was, in 2017, he won every round of the World Cup.
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I didn't realize that of the World Cup.
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So, I mean, yes, Tade is quite dominant, but I mean, I think in our life time, there has been no other bike racer, male or female, probably as dominant as Nino Schurter was. And granted, right, we don't have big stage races and this and that, but I just.
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I guess that's pretty remarkable. I mean, that's like Ricky Carmichael winning 10 outdoor championships in a row. Three on the one on small bikes and seven on big bikes. 10 in a row. Yeah, it's. It's remarkable when you think about how much can go wrong. I mean, think about his perfect season to win every race. One flat tire, a mechanical, all the factors that go into the whole system, you know, and to show up and, and do that, that much is just truly remarkable. And just the mental resilience to also win that much and then show up and still want to work hard and win more, still be.
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Still be hungry like that. Yeah. It's like, why do they. Why do they hate on. They. Why do the trolls hate on the troll? I mean, they are. People on the Internet are pretty much anonymous. They're trolls. They're looking to start controversy. But it's like, why do they. Why did people hating on Pogachar so much? I mean, he's, He's. He has this natural gift. He's trained himself and he's, you know, he's paid to win. You know, I think the Internet, the
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Internet goes easier on mountain bike, mountain biking in general. I think road cycling has doping following it around.
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So anytime somebody. Now, granted, if somebody's this dominant, you know, you could see why people who don't know as much about the sport or even maybe some that do, can obviously, you know, question things. But I, you know, it's a different era and a different time. And if you look at the thing that I noticed, you know, with UAE is if you look at what they are leading the way on, and if you think of just the two things, the short cranks and the arrow, you know, and I can't remember if we were just talking about this or we actually talked about it at the pod. So sorry if I'm the last pod, sorry if I'm repeating myself, but those two things, the short cranks and that, hey, aerodynamics is more important than weight. Right. You remember in like the previous eras, in the Lance era, they were like the quarter kilogram, and they had all of this down and timing their weight perfectly into the Tour and UA figured out, actually, you know what, aerodynamics matter more. You did that last pound or two may not matter as much as all the time savings you save in the whole stage. And then also the short cranks and other people are following it and doing it, so they're leading the way. And if you're leading the way, you probably have a year in on them. And so I just think people need to look at that and see how remarkable it is that they are in a sport of tradition that. Who would have thought that two best guys in the Grand Tours would be on 165 and 160 crank arms? I mean, think of that. Even four years ago, we would have been like, dude, no way. You can't win a Grand Tour without, you know, and they're doing that. So I just. I just think that you got to look at them and say that's why they're so good. They're. They're leaving no stone unturned. They're using new metrics. They're not afraid to look at new information and, and come up with a new plan. So that's, you know, people who boo like that just either have not enough going on in their own lives, or they just are so clueless, you know, about what it actually takes to be that good that they don't have enough respect for it. You know, that's why I look at it. Yeah, I'm not. Even if you dislike somebody as a racer, booing an athlete who's out there like that, that's just. I'm never on board with that.
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I think it does help, too, that they have a pretty, pretty deep checkbook, too, to work on some of this stuff. Like, if they want to try some. Some things out, they don't have to find a sponsor that's willing to, you know, go along. It's like, oh, this, this, you know, we've done our research. Let's put some resources into this, right, As a team, just to see, you know.
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Yeah, but you can't tell me it's better Ineos hasn't had the money because basically all, you know, it was right. Ineos had the money. Ineos could have gone and done exactly what they did. They could have tried shortcreak, but that's what I mean, they're not even thinking that. So whatever is the combination behind today's coaching staff, you know, the new coach that when he lost the, you know, the tour two or is the 22 and 23, he got beat, switched coaches and whatever, not only the training they've done, but just the mindset that they have, I think is, you know, I mean, look at the arrow bars, look at the position, look at the forward, not worrying about the tilt of your hips. You know, we used to think, oh, you gotta, you know, pull your hips way back and be bent over in that. And they're slid forward and kind of rounded. I mean, it's like, like I said one time before, we used to laugh at Sean Kelly's position. Tade looks closer to that, you know, than Lamond or, you know, of the era. So I just think that they, they, they are thinking they are, whatever the, the package of people that they have in there, that is the key. They're, they're willing to look at stuff. And of course it helps when you got the best rider in the world as well.
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To your point there too, it's like they're not concerning themselves with tradition. And what has worked. It's like, okay, everyone's done what has worked. Everyone got to a certain level. And that willingness to kind of throw old conventions out the window and try something new has, has worked well for him.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And I, and I think that's also helpful with, you know, a crop of riders, younger riders, riders that haven't, you know, been so steeped in that tradition as well. I mean, same with, you know, you've talked about the, the training and the lead up training and how many races you have to do.
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You know, I mean, it's funny you're thinking about that. I would just. We were, before we went on camera, I pulled out my, my training diary for 1990 and I saw at the end of June I had written this down. I had competed in 47 races by June 30th of 1990, which was traditionally kind of halfway through the season.
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Right, right, right. So that's pretty good. You got in some, didn't you do Tour of America's at the start of that year? Right. I think down there. So you probably got in a little bit of stage racing and, you know, filled them in. But even still, that's pretty, yeah. Good in the US for sure.
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But I mean, but the conventional wisdom used to be you pull one little thing out, the more you race, the better you're going to be. Right. You need to race more, you got to race more, you got to race more. That's the only way you're going to get fit, race more and do big miles and then a lot of hours and, you know, it worked for a While it gets you to a certain point, but for stuff to evolve, you know, the whole marginal gains thing, well, every one of these things, you know, maybe is. But you combine them all together and you have people that are forward thinking and then you have athletes that can actually execute on it. It makes it pretty interesting.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I hope in 10 years we look back and there's not any smoke. Right now there's very little smoke or hint of doping allegations with Tade. The only thing is last summer's escape collective breaking story on CO2 rebreathing, but other than that. And you can also throw his team manager, you know, it was a big time doper and was involved with Sonya Duvall, so there's been a little smoke in his history, but in general, he's pretty clean and I hope that that holds up over time. Walsh, the journalist from the London Times who chased after Armstrong and got so beat up and even maybe got sued by Armstrong, he was on a podcast recently defending Tade in a big way, saying, look, there's no documented journalism or breaking news or hints or smoke or anything about today, so you need to all be quiet. Yeah, yeah. I hope that holds up over time.
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And I, and I really respected him for saying that. I mean, this is a guy who made his career chasing after Armstrong. I respected his perspective and I hope it holds up.
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Yeah, yeah, Good.
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I also think that maybe Tade is doing heat acclimation in the sauna that he has. He's doing things that we're not all completely aware of, you know, and someday those are all maybe legal methods. Someday we know a little bit more. And I also, you know, like, he was motor pacing on the Poggio to get ready for Milan San Remo. I mean, like, he's using some old school technique and doing it right and, you know, so he's doing some stuff. He does the work.
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Yeah, yeah, definitely. He's not afraid to look for the edge, you know, to go out there and try something a little bit different. I mean, they essentially said that it's really power meters that has allowed all of this because it's just such a for sure metric that you can go out and run your analytics and obviously the technology to be able to run all the analytics and see your patterns and see what works out. I mean, how else could you figure out that aerodynamics are more important than weight? Unless you went out and did a similar distance at a similar workload and then climbed a hill. Right. Something like that. I'm sure that's my rudimentary mind thinking about it, all the different ways that they measure the metrics. But again, you, you have to want to do it.
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Yeah. He's wearing all the sensors. You can knock and you can say it's corporate endorsement. He's wearing a whoop. He's wearing a heat sensor. He may be wearing a hydration monitor. We don't know. He may be wearing the new breathing sensor that's, you know that, that Ineos uses.
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Right.
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He's got. You look when he raises his arms. He's got all the technology around his
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Boston Six Million Dollar Man.
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And I love my Whoop. I think that thing is amazing. And I've been wearing it for five years. I think it's just an amazing product. I had the privilege, I was sitting at a graduation dinner with obviously an investment banker. He didn't tell me what he was doing, but he was an investment banker for Oura Ring, and so he'd invested heavily in them. And so we had a chat about Oura Ring, Garmin, Apple, Whoop. It was great. And he was really listening to what I was saying. And I kept saying, well, let's merge all these together. And then I was talking about my hydration sensor and all that. And he's like, oh, wow. And he was really focused on the medical side. He wants to know that Oura Ring is going to be working with your doctor.
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Well, because then you get it covered by insurance.
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Yep.
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Which, speaking of that, maybe it was because I was poking around and I was looking up, I was looking at Whoop and looking at Oura Ring and one of them, I don't remember which one, maybe it was Whoop. Already. Already has doctor like clearance. Like you can get it said, make sure to ask your insurance about getting this. I don't remember if it was a whoop or aura, but I thought to myself, ah, there we go. You know, that's the, that's the, you know, the moneymaker for those companies is once insurance can get involved and also it just gives it to a lot more people, which really, it should. When you think about all the other stuff that insurance might pay for, for preventative health or physical therapy or something like that, what better than something that can give you actual health metrics to change your, you know, to change your life?
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Well, I think Garmin, Whoop, Apple, all of them are available for your health savings account. So if you have an employer that has a health savings account, you can get the tax benefits from all these products. I think that is the case. Whoop. Will do you know different. You can pay for different, more advanced lab tests. I'm not a fan of going to the lab. So I'm not really interested in going sitting there and having my blood drawn more than I have to. I don't want to do that more than my doctor already has me doing so.
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Right.
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But WHOOP is already offering additional blood testing, markers and data.
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Yeah, big thing with Apple that they've been working on with Apple Watch for a while is blood glucose monitoring with the Apple Watch, which I have that on the other wrist. If they can get that FDA approval. Right. That goes huge because you know, with people that have diabetes they're constantly having to do a skin prick. So when it gets to the mainstream. Right. We think about it, you know, sports related. But yeah, where these companies are gonna really break through. I mean Apple kind of being an exception because it's a, you know, it's not just a sports related wearable company. It's just, that's a division. But as soon as these companies get in there with the mainstream and then to your point, insurance pays for it, it'll. It'll be a total game changer.
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Well, I actually read an article about just that and again I was reading so many about all these, you know, the different companies because something I have a lot of interest in and yeah, sorry, I lost my train of thought.
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I was.
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What I was going to say on that subject but what I will say why I was looking it up is and the reason why I got my Phoenix 7, as you guys know, like all my devices is broken and I had like no computers or anything. But from training people and being more involved in health coaching, I feel like, and I still believe this and why I was looking at Whoop and aura is I think that for the average person these devices and what they give you still have too much detail and you know, and it's funny, I was talking with Greg McNeil the other day on the phone and he was using an app called Morpheus and he was saying the same thing and I, so I bought, I got this Phoenix 7 and I'm like, you know what? I'm not going to do basically anything to it other than I turned off all the notifications because that drives me crazy, all the buzzing and everything like that. And I just was like, I'm just going to use this for a while, let it gather my data. But I was really more interested in is the interface between the human and the watch and the type of information it gives you because you know, as I'VE told you guys many times, like for average health coaching, if you're not an Olympic level athlete, whatever, world class athlete, the reason your plan doesn't work isn't because of the details of the plan. It's just that people can't organize their lives to stay to a plan. Yes, if you're an elite level athlete, what you do on each day matters. But you're talking about people who you want them to get out the door and exercise regularly or just get in a quick snapshot, did I drink enough water today or not? You know, like I have it and it'll. At the end of the day, the garment pulls up and gives me like a rundown of the day. And it's first of all, the text is small enough that I got to get my readers to put it on. So that's the first one. If I'm like, oh, nice watches on here. But I'm like, wait, what does that say? And also I don't need a page of text. Maybe I can fish my way through that, but I don't even want that. I would just like it to have like three bars, you know, green, orange, red or something like that. Some easy way of telling you where you are. Did you hydrate? How is your sleep? Not like having to scroll it through. And so I think that, so I read this article and it was talking about and I think it was actually whoop. And they were saying that that is the next area that the tracker companies are moving into is the average person's health, that they've kind of been tapping out the elite. Right. I'm training for an ironman or I'm a whatever, Cat 1 racer or beyond that. Those people are all tapped out, but they're really figuring out a way to just bring it to everybody. And that's where I see the gap is that the information that they're trying to impart on these people, they don't care about intervals. They just tell them to go for a hike in the hills or not. You know, like make it be very simple. And so that's what I'm really interested to see if they can actually take all this information and actually make it so that somebody can use it to help their, their health, not just give you information that they think.
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I think you would find that Oura Ring is the most simplific, simplified graphical pictures of the sun and the moon. And I'll have to go check out there.
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Yeah, yeah, look at it a little
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deeper, a little more simplified. I want all the details.
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Yeah, you want all the details? Well, I don't mind. I don't mind going in and looking at the details. But in terms of the watch, for what I wanted for this and for thinking of, like, clients who aren't, you know, like as into the metrics as we might be, something simple like, hey, if you're going to strap this thing to your wrist, it can measure your sleep, it can give your blood oxygenation, it can give you, you can do HRV on it. If you put a heart rate strap, you can literally do anything. But how do you actually get people to do that? That's, that's the hardest part, you know, so.
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Yeah.
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Well, my other feedback for the venture capitalist was I told them that my. My whoop hits bushes and gets snagged. An aura ring doesn't get snagged on bushes. And then the gentleman next to me says, no one likes to play basketball against people wearing whoops. So I don't know, just some things to think about.
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Yeah. Now, does the OURA ring. Do you wear the OURA ring when you ride or do you take it off when you ride and then just put it back on?
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Our ring you would wear all the time, including when you're sleeping.
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So it doesn't bother you like holding onto the grips?
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Well, they've gotten it pretty small. I don't personally own one.
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I thought you were talking about family
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members who, who own them. Right. They're. They've gotten more and more low profile. They just released another one that's even more low profile and they have a rubberized version. They've got a gold version.
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Right, right, right.
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They got a lot of them.
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Yeah. All right, no worries. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I know I went for the watch that had the blood ox and everything in it. This Fenix 7, you know, the top of the line one. It does sometimes feel a little big, like reaching my arm and stuff. And one day I took it off in the shower or something to charge it up and I just forgot about it. And I went out and I was doing stuff and I'm like, wow, what feels weird. I'm like, oh, wow. I don't have the watch on anymore because I got so used to not wearing anything. You know me, I was like, watch where. If I wore anything, I always wore a watch. And then I lost my G spot. G shock watch. During, yeah, you know, little slang days. My G shock watch, the one that I had, I lost it. And then I was like, ah, do I really need a watch? And I know I was Just had been rolling it, you know, tech free. The tech free zone instead of a tech zone. Tech free zone. So anyhow.
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All right.
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So yeah, we're poo pooing on the Internet trolls that are hating on today.
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I would have to think that no one probably plays basketball wearing rings either. I mean, would you do that? I don't play basketball, so I don't know. But you're saying the guy said no one likes to play basketball against anyone wearing a bracelet? I would just kind of.
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No jewelry, no wearables at all. You know, you were asking that DS about a ring, like riding a bike. I think about that like if you fell or something. And here.
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Every once in a while someone tweak a finger, start swelling up and then you can't get the thing off.
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Yeah, I guess there's, there's trade offs. Yeah. All right.
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When I crashed the other day, my Garmin activated and it took me a little while to turn it off. You know, gotta let everyone know that I'm okay.
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Right.
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So it, the sensor went off and instantly it text my list of people to let them know that I've fallen. That's always an interesting moment when the thing is dirty and you're trying to clean it off and turn it off. And you know, I'm sure that Apple. I know that your Apple watch will do the same thing, but I've noticed mine when I've crashed. It's never notified anybody. So. Interesting that, that my Apple watch has never played that role.
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Yeah, I. Sometimes I'll get my Apple watch that fall detection will go off. Like if I clap really loud or I do something abruptly just with my hand. I mean, I feel like I've had, if I've had a hundred Apple Watch notifications, 99 have been false positives. I think once did I actually fall or something happened, but I was still okay. But it seems super sensitive. But I remember the first time that Garmin thing happened. I was like, you know, and there's like a little timeline that goes across the bottom of the head units. Like you have so many seconds to stop this thing. You know, you're talking about wearing readers. The first time that happened to me, I'm like, I can't, I can't read what this says. I didn't know it was going on. And I think a bunch of people got notified. And then I was like, Then you're like, you're somewhere and you gotta text them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Although it's better to have it than, you know, and if you end up in a ditch somewhere and they can at least come find you, then, then not. So.
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Yeah.
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So anybody do any interesting rides recently?
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I mean, I got a. Like I say, I got a hot one in last. We were getting up into the high 90s, into the hundreds here, and my buddy Chris went out early last Saturday and we hadn't coordinated the day before. And by the time I sent him a message, he's like, I've been out for an hour already. 7:30.
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Chris.
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Chris melts in the heat. I went out like probably at about the worst possible time, except my four and four and a half hour ride. The average temp was above 100 degrees.
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Damn.
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And I had. I actually rerouted based on where I knew there were water stops so I could get through. But I don't know, man. I'm okay in the heat for whatever reason. I used to just. I used to die in the heat. But I had one point. I'm coming out of this last climb out of the south fork of the Yuba, out of the burden crossing, and I looked down at the head unit and said my RPM was 46. I was going 3.5, and then it dropped down to 3.4 miles per hour and. And the temp was over 100 degrees. And somehow I didn't fall over. And I was in the saddle doing that and I was just like, man,
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were there flies or not?
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No, face flies. I couldn't believe it because I normally I bring.
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During the summer I ride with a. With a little. With a net, you know, Know, you can put it over your. Your helmet on the climbs because we've found above 5, 5.5, 5.6 miles per hour on the super steep climbs, like, you're going fast enough that they can't keep with you. But if you're at 5.5 or below, you get those. And the worst is you suck one up your nose or something when you're breathing hard and goes into your sinus or whatever. But no, no face. Flies, heat. And it was good. And I somewhat recovered, so I'll take it.
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The last time I rode up at your place, whenever was the last time we came up and visited when I remember we started going up a climb and you and foit whip out your head nuts and put them on. I'm like, mother, you know, I'm like, I had one right in the map drawer of my van, but didn't know. Didn't think to put it in. Didn't know that was a thing, you know?
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Yeah, he Actually got those as gifts. I think he bought a food pack years ago and gave one to Rob and one to myself. And he had one little stuffed sack and you just keep, keep it there with you know, your, your you know, quick inflator, the extra chain lube. You ring, whatever you take with you when you ride and dependent on the day.
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So remember that. That was like Mount Snow, Vermont. And I don't know which other ones, but whatever went, oh, Mont St. Anne. If they were in this. Well, pretty much anytime. But like in June and July the black flies were brutal.
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And walking the downhill course. Remember how bad it was? We had that the very first year I went to Vermont. I remember I. The flies were so bad. You know, we were long, long arm and, and leg. But my tights, we wore lycra back then. You know, there was a gap between where my tights came down and the top of my socks. And I remember I was sitting there getting ready, you know, go and start. Can't remember if it was semi final or whatever. And I just looked down and there was just like a row of black flies just like on that spot, you know, that little bit of skin. I was like, ah, you know and knocked them all off of there. And later that night my, my lower leg swelled up, I swear from my knee. Like the calf went and then it was just like straight to my ankle it was so swollen. And that was when we started wearing like bug nets on top. And you'd have to go out and walk the downhill course of like the hoodie with the bug net on it and long pants and everything because the black flies, you couldn't, you couldn't just walk. You would get annihilated. They were terrible.
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And it was always in the, in the 90s with the humidity. In the high 90s too. So wearing all that stuff.
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How about you, Diaz?
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Well, I had. I have not great news to report to the POD listeners but you guys know I. In an innocuous fall on my mountain bike on July 4th 5th, I just had a seemingly just went to go to take off and spun my rear wheel on a rock and tipped over to the side. But with the seat all the way up reached couldn't get the edge of the trail and it turned out there was a seasonal creek there creek bed. And I fell like 6ft down into big square rocks and about 4 inch diameter sticks and wrenched my knee and tore a ligament. So gotta go in and get surgery. So I go into the orthopedic surgeon Monday morning. Dr. Ryu, who actually did my left shoulder in 03 and my left ACL in 06. I was on a 20 year hot streak of no torn ligaments or needing anything repaired. But, yeah, so a total bummer. So the last. Other than getting out to the doctor and getting X rays and stuff to get it all checked out this week, I just have, like, I admit I was just like, having to wrap my mind around it all, that the whole, like, next seven months of my life is going to be different because I've been through repair before, so I know what it takes. And I just kind of vegged out. Watched a lot of racing, watched a lot of Netflix and was just kind of like, not totally dejected, but I just had to just, like, take the time to just like, go, okay, I just have to, like, reset my mind. Had to cancel our trip up to the package Pacific Northwest, which was a real bummer. Had that all lined up. All days of mountain biking with friends and up to Canada and everything. But so I'm kind of over it. This is my first day back down in the studio, and so I just kind of got over all that. I've been working my clients from the video screen and I'm just like, all right, you know, this is what it is. I'll go in Monday, I'll get the exact timeline of all the specifications and get a surgery date scheduled and then go in and get it done. So unfortunately, no bike riding for me for price, six months it'll take for everything to heal to the point where I can. Where I can get out and pedal.
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Do you have any Netflix recommendations based on your past week or so?
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If you watch this old series called Money Heist, don't watch past the first heist. Yeah, the first heist, I think it was two seasons was pretty good. And the way they did it and all that. And then I don't know, you know, how a show goes on too long. And of course, because you're just like sitting there like. So my program is I'll be doing computer work and then on the iPad on the side, I put the tour or whatever, you know.
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And so eventually everyone jumps the shark, right?
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Gets out the motorcycle and goes over the shark.
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Yes, exactly. They just kept trying to do too much. So only watch the first heist, which is at the Mint. You know, don't. Don't watch the bank of Spain heist. That's you know. Yeah, so that's probably my. Probably my best. My best one right there.
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Dr. Ryu did my shoulder, and his predecessor was Leonard Burgess. He took great care of your mom.
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Did her.
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That office knows the Stockton family, and we'll take good care of you, I hope.
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Yeah. Yeah, well, hopefully. I mean, I. I fortunately haven't seen him for a little under 20 years, but, you know, I'm sure he'll remember me and everything. And. And, you know, like I said, he's great. I mean, I could remember, you know, when I. I dislocated my left shoulder. Ironically, everything happened after I was done racing, you know, but dislocated my left shoulder riding out at one of the nationals. And I remember he fixed it, and, you know, he talked to me afterwards, and he goes, oh, you know, as I went in there, he goes, it was actually worse than I thought. He said, not only was it torn off the bone, but the actual ligament had a tear in it itself. And I was like, well, so what'd you do? And he goes, well, he explained how they. It's pretty trick. They have these anchors, so they drill a hole in your bone burr and screw this anchor, and it's like a screw that has thread attached to it, coming out, and so then that's stuck into the bone. And then they take that thread and weave it through and attach the ligament, like, back down to the bone so it holds it on so it can grow. He goes, but then because the ligament itself is a little stretched out, he goes, I had to take the thread and like, basically, like, weave it through the length of the ligament, like, up and down, and then you can pull it tight and it shortens up the ligament. And he goes, and that's, you know. And he goes, you know, and that's the tricky part. He's all, because if it's too loose, you're going to have a loose shoulder. He's all, but if it's too tight, you're going to have frozen shoulders also. Really, you know, and he's explained to it. Explain it to me. And this is the reason why I got my knee done by him and why I'm going back again is because I realized that right there, that is like the mastery that sets somebody just that little bit above, for whatever reason, they've done enough or they see it enough or they just got the gift enough that they can tell by everything they've done. Nope, I just got to pull this a little bit tighter and tie it off all right there. And I guess, like, A cabinet maker or, you know, whatever it else might be that those last few percentages, what makes somebody a master. So that always. That always stuck in my mind, and, you know, so that's why I'm going back in to see him on Monday.
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Yeah, well, more reports in another week.
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Yeah, we'll get the. Get the report in another. Yeah, exactly. Find out more next week. Yep.
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You remember when.
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ACL recovery. PT was progressing, and there was the one guy that was, like, recovering way faster than anybody else, and so they went to study that guy, and he turned out he lived on a boat, so maybe you should move down to the harbor and start balancing all the time.
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That maybe that's like. Yeah, I probably still. I got to go look at my files, which are at home. I bet you I still have my original knee protocol from Dr. Ryu from 2006. And I remember because I was still. I was living down in Temecula, but I'd come up here to get my surgery done, and so I was down there doing physical therapy. This place, Rancho Physical Therapy. And I remember that when they. I said, here's the notes from my doctor. He's very specific, like, this is what you need to run me through. And he would have. By this week, you need to have, you know, 100 degrees by this week, 105. By this week, 110. Like, everything laid out. And the physical therapist, she goes, I have a question. I go, what? She goes, do you mind if I copy this and keep a copy, like, for us? She goes, I've never seen a. An ACL procedure this detailed, like, for pt I was like, yeah, have at it, you know, so Dr. Ryu's, you know, good. Good protocols, I guess, are spread around a bit. So.
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Yeah, well, it's about the surgeon, but it's also about the rehab. So we look forward to hearing about your journey.
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Yeah, yeah. So keep it up. We'll keep it up to date.
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You got me looking for my balance board now. I need to start standing on it. I'm standing on the front of the desk now. I need to have. I don't have. I don't have one of those long ones like that. I've got the round one that the ball is in the center of it, and it. Yeah, the swivel hips one.
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Do you use the Indo board? Ed, do you have one of those?
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Oh, I had in the past, but not a long time.
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That's a prime mountain biker from mountain biking one there.
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Yeah. It was funny. I was, you know, watching the one Wheelers they come through my neighborhood sometimes and they're working on their. Their proprioception. Yeah, yeah, I saw. I saw one wheelers that were beach chairs. They'd mounted their beach chairs on their one wheels, and they were just.
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I love that. That's innovation right there. You know, that's stay balancing.
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Stay balancing.
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If UAE were riding on one wheels, they'd probably. Probably would have come up with that. Right. Because they're kind of thinking, yeah, I like that.
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So let's move to the racing. My riding has just been getting in more hours, spending time with my friends, listening to them complain about how much they had to rehab their bikes after unbound and every last bearing surface needed to be replaced. And thousands of dollars later, that unbound is not such a good thing when it's muddy.
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That's why they need those XD15s.
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You don't have the right equipment. I have. I know a guy. A guy? Banky. Kevin Beggenstein from South Africa. He completed the xl. He said he went back home, and all he did was pop the seals off, clean the bearings, put new grease in. He had. Everything worked just fine.
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So the enduro I was referencing.
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Yeah, a little money up front can save you a lot of money down the road.
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Yeah, I think that's probably the case.
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Stage 13 of the tour. Some of us have watched it. Yes. Did you watch today?
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Yeah, that was spicy. I came in and I flipped it on and, yeah, it was good. It was interesting. There was a huge. Two huge breaks off. A big group went off and another group went off ahead of the peloton. So I think at one point there were like 60 guys up the road, something like that. Like 40 and 20 or 40 and 30. It was huge. And. And nobody from track made the break. And so Peterson, racing for his green sprint points, had to take off because both Gurmail and Phillipson made the move. And that was pretty impressive. To work his butt off in that. That second group to get up to him and then catch and get second in the sprint points. And then, you know, it was an interesting day on gc, too, huh? What did you guys think about Pidcock's opportunist ride today?
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Well, I love it, and I think. And I want to root for him over the weekend, but he might be tired. You know, he might have seen the best of his GC positioning. He might crack. But you know what? That guy's know he's got some years under his belt. He might be able to survive and hold a Higher place on gc, which will be quite a moment for him. And today's state stage winner, Matt Schmidt is going to ride with Pitcock next year. He's going to be on that team. So that's kind of an interesting thing to consider. They first climbed this climb in 1905. It was the first mountain climb in the Tour, which that surprised me that it wasn't the Tourmalet or some other iconic climb. They're in the Vosges Mountains. Back then they were on single speeds and the. The race promoters allowed them to switch swap bikes for this climb.
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Oh, just have a bike with the low gearing.
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Yeah. And the winner's time Average speed was 12 miles an hour on a single speed. So that's, you know, back in 1905.
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That's pretty impressive, really.
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It was the longest stage of the Tour this year. It was interesting to see Mahoric blow up on the climb. And then they got Michael Matthews over the climb. He's a pretty good sprinter. I think he ultimately finished, you know, top 15. He wasn't there at the end.
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Yeah, he couldn't quite get on after that last climb. They tried and tried to just get him right there.
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Matteo Jorgensen was dropped from the peloton today. He was in the Groupetto. So that's an interesting development. Maybe he's not feeling well from his crash or who knows?
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Did one caveat on that. Did you see there was some quote of his. Now, I don't know if it's good pring, but he said something to the effect of, so long as Todd and Jonas are here, I'm not here to win the Tour, so why am I racing the finale? I might as well save myself for, you know, save myself. However, you would think that a day like today would be a day that he would be saving himself for just in case something happened. So I don't know know if, like you said, that was some good pring to try and dissuade from the fact that maybe the Forum isn't quite there.
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Yeah, well, I go ahead, watch the
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stage, but as I was listening to you, I want to jump in and give you a free lap right now. Mads Schmidt. Mads words. Schmidt won Unbound Morrow. Schmidt won the stage today to change.
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I listen to that.
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I'm like, wait, I had to look it up because I haven't watched it, so. But I can't expect to come on the pod and not get any spoilers.
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But my gray matter was not firing quite fast enough to put that all together. Chaos. So good on you.
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So I'll move quickly through the rest of my notes. Total energy. They did not have a soign year on the climb. And their rider ye get on his cube bike. They're no longer riding Envy Frames. He was struggling to get a bottle from any team. He was reaching out other teams and no one was giving him a bottle. And he was, you know, in the finale, I felt bad for him. I felt bad for that team.
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Pedersen got. Got caught and on his way back, he was doing the satellite cooling. He was cooling. So probably I don't know who.
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What maybe was in there.
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So you had a bunch of bottles.
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I'm glad you brought that up because that was just to highlight what a dude. Misses the move, gets in the second move, pounds it out to get up there. Beats Kermai in the sprint. Doesn't quite beat Phillipson. Drops back then spraying him off with bottles. Then throws well as bottles. Then goes back to the front and pulls again.
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Which I probably just scooped you on that one.
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But no, he didn't. That was the next thing on my notes.
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Then he's motoring at the front front
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Amazing. My last note is him pulling on the climb after he'd been caught and he'd done all of his work.
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Yeah, that was just pretty incredible. You know, it really was.
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So that's some racing. Anybody have any other races that they want to cover? It's glad. I'm glad to hear that Leadville looks like it's going to be on. And the fire situation is September sighted enough.
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I just wanted to bring up two. Two things from the Tour. One, if you guys saw this stage, I think that was yesterday where. I don't think that was this morning. Right. It was yesterday where Quinn Simmons was on the attack in the group, and you see him get out of the saddle.
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And you sprint, and then all of a sudden, he sits down, just reaches out and high fives this dude on the side of the road. That's his dad. And I was just like. Like, that was pretty. Pretty hilarious and saying that, you know, at the very beginning when. When Quinn Simmons first came into the World Trials, like, I don't know. I mean, aside from the motor and everything, I'm like, what's this dude about everything? But I gotta say, I'm a Quinn Simmons fan. You know, it definitely warmed up to him. And you know what? The dude's a gamer, He's a bike racer, he's a team player. All of that. And I thought it was funny. Not only that he high fived his dad, but the one day after the stage, there was the Quinn Simmons super fan that had, like, the red mullet, you know, all cut in and had a Trek jersey, and Simmons was signed his jersey and stuff.
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So that was. That was my. My one. One of the two things I wanted to talk about in the racing. So I don't know what you guys think about. About Quinn, how you feel about him.
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Parents landed. Oh, go ahead, go ahead. His parents landed yesterday, and they made it to the course to get that high five. They flew to Europe and landed.
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That's good. Like, that's so rad. Yeah.
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I'm in the same boat as you, ds. I'm definitely becoming more of a fan, but I was. I was thinking about that. Right. You can't plan something like that. Like, maybe, you know, dad's gonna try to be on this climb, but does he actually get there? Blah, blah, blah. But then the fact that he was on the attack and was on that side of the road, he could have been attacking up the other side of the road and it wouldn't have happened. So that was, like, this convergence of events that I. I thought that was equally as amazing as him actually, you know, picking him out and doing that, but it was. And then they got on camera.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, every. Everything about it. Yeah, it was just hilarious. It wasn't somebody's, you know, Instagram that showed up later. It was like, right. Right on camera. Yeah, that was. That was great.
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So he was. Mr. Simmons was quite the interview post race today. From his. His social moment yesterday. His son. His other son is on education first. Last year's national champion, or a couple years back, he was national champion. Remind me of the son's name. The son. The other son is named. Maybe that's our tree lap on that son. The dad. The dad likes to ride and climb a million miles a year. His dad smoked me at the wafer in Arizona, and I think the mom beat me also. So the Simmons family is quite respectable all the way around.
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That's cool.
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Colby. Colby Simmons.
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I'm learning to use the magic of the Internet. When we need it straight away, then we can take fewer free laps.
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Yeah, there you go.
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It was interesting to watch the dad manage the press today. In the questions, you could see father and son have similar media styles, as much media training has Quinn has had, and as much controversy as he's had in the media. They both answer questions in the same fashion. So that Was interesting. I recommend you watch that if you get it on YouTube or somewhere. They interviewed him today.
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I'll have to look at that then. My, my other, My other note of Tour racing, I mean, there's so much.
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What do you. What do you think about. But of course, as I love the sprint stages and pretty much all the true sprint stages are gone. I'm not sure. Is this your Champs Elysees stage? Champs Elysees, however you pronounce it. Is it back to a true sprint stage? Are they doing something like they did last year?
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You have the same climb as back.
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Yeah, no, they're doing that race climb.
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Yeah. All right, so. So then this may have just been the last sprint stage, but, you know, this, this last stage that Tim Merlier won and he was obviously, he's just been the best sprinter. I mean, you can see see that. But it's like, you know how it is. And obviously, whatever level you're racing at, KS as you were a sprinter. I was a sprinter. When you get that form as a sprinter, it's just like you can kind of do no wrong because you have such confidence in yourself sprinting that you're not worried about waiting a little longer for the gap to open up because, you know, you just believe you're going to have the acceleration to get around it. You know, you just go. So by instant instinct. And this last sprint that he won, he was so far back, you know, I was, I was looking at how far back, you know, they, they were with like, say 500 meters ago and stuff. And he was like, you know, 12th or 15th or something. And there's this one gap where right at the end he had to shoot, but he actually had to coast and stop pedaling for just a stitch to. To make it and go through and then still have the power to get around him and win. And it was just super impressive. So, like, his mastery of the super sprints was just. I mean, he just handled those guys. It was pretty, pretty cool. Pretty cool to watch somebody do that.
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Tim Malir is 6:1 and he typically rides 170 or 172. Five cranks. Someone tried to tell me he was on 175s. I was like, I don't know. But anyway, I needed to quickly look that up. He's 6:1 and on 172s at the longest, I would see that.
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I, you know, I still think that, you know, from the whole short crank thing and having switched myself in the span of three years from actually two and a half years from 175s to 165s. I do still think as a sprinter the little bit longer crank, I see how that still might have merit because I don't know, I feel like where you're accelerating that gear at first, I don't know, I mean I, I'm not, you know, I don't have a power meter anymore to go out and actually like put 60 165s and 175s on my bikes and switch. But I, I feel like some part of that, if there was any part that not going to the short cranks would still be the jam. I could see sprinting being it.
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So I wanted to share this photo which look at that. I, when we were modeling. This is from his first stage win and this is a Jared Gruber photo that Jared's doing a promotion with bike flights and I've shipped with bike flights so I'm on their email list and they're having this like competition and you can win a Jared Gruber print. But we were marveling at how low he gets because there were some great head on shots. But I wanted to share this side shot. Plus I mean the crowd there, they're just so sick. Everyone's in it, you know. But just how low that guy, like
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But I mean that's like John Beckman. Right. There is just some, some sprint, sprint form low. And then right you have that, the mastery.
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I mean this is part sprint form low. Wasn't that the Chinese sprinter Sprint form low. Yeah, yeah.
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But yeah, this is just, this is just this, this shot. And then of course you know the masterful marketing machine that is Specialized has been using this as one of their.
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One of their Tarmac 9 launch points. The new. The arrow. Right. You're talking about Arrow and lightweight and it's all the same thing. So. But I thought this was just a great one to, to show that because the camera guy is just, he's unstoppable just like Philipson was a couple years ago. And now Philipson's close but he's not there.
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Just doesn't quite have it.
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So quite have that extra sauce.
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Yeah. Ben Edwards, our buddy featured Malir's bike in the launch. You know, he jumped on the truck and broke down the bike and talked about it.
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That was Specialized also.
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Specialized also released a 60 minute video of breaking down the bike, which I thought was a pretty interesting, compelling YouTube and Ben is the host of that where they break down the bike and they talk about the design and even you know that the bike is designed to not have a second water bottle in it. That's why that, that rear fin behind the seat tube is there. That fin doesn't really do anything if the water bottle is there. And the their idea is when you're in a sprint, you don't have that bottle in. You've already tossed it. So interesting things that our buddy Ben Edwards broke down and you can find him talking about on the Internet with the engineers and the aero designers and the carbon layup people and good stuff out there.
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We'll have to check that out.
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It was crazy too. They did that. And in this first stage that Marilier won, he had a bottle on the seat too. And of course all the trolls were quick to point that out.
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They were, yes, he. So he still had, he still had time in hand. He still had like a centimeter in hand. If he would have pulled the bottle,
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he would have won by more.
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Well, in next year, Suit all will have a new title sponsor. They'll be Suit All Safety jogger and they won't be on Specialized. They'll be on Merida frames, which probably make Specialized bikes anyway.
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That's going to be interesting to see. I'm gonna have to just stand up here real quick, guys, and stretch. So I'm gonna tilt this up. Oh, yeah.
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Well, that, that's an interesting one. But it's also kind of a. If we could, if we want to jump around a little bit, you know, specialize a bike company that kind of became a marketing company and now I think they're the most successful bicycle manufacturer slash marketing company in the world. If we jump around to the good idea files, Specialized has been in the news and as much as they have with that SL9, that tarmac, I think the bigger news, which I'm convinced that they were part of, was Kate Courtney's announcement that we had talked about, but that she's going to the World Tour with the FDJ Suez United team and that dropped on the first rest day of the Tour. So on Monday, we're recording on Friday. And I would argue that they have the Internet, I mean, other than the Tour de France, and even owned it beyond the Tour de France, I think on the rest day were on par with that. So another, another masterful move. And we talked about this before it dropped, you know this Kate I in the, the 28 Olympics in LA. Well, we've got our answer. She's back on Specialized. I don't know if we spoke about that one on the last pod, but we spoke about it off camera that she won her 2018 Cross Country World championship racing for Specialized and they've got her back there. They release video, you know, in their retool room down at the wind tunnel down there in Morgan Hill. I say down there, up there for you guys. So I think it's a masterful marketing machine behind Kate with her people. Then you've got Red Bull, that's a personal sponsor and then of course Specialized and I think Damie Vollering has some good people behind her who might co collaborate with the FDJ team and that trickles over. So that's going to be a super exciting one to watch. And I haven't seen it, the Internet abuzz about something positive like that in cycling in a long time. Usually they jump on the negative stuff and it's the positive. So you guys have probably seen that. I mean you couldn't avoid it.
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Oh yeah, I thought it was. Well, you know, I thought it, you know was, it's, it's great for her obviously. And I think too like you think about for somebody at the stage of her career, right, just like her move away from cross country mountain biking and focusing more on you know from like World cup racing and she wins the marathon world and she wins Leadville and gets the press with the blips and holding on to the crown and then she wins. You know, she's up at the pointy end of all these early season races including Levi's Fondo and then she wins the national championship on the road and you think about how excited she is and you can just tell, tell how enthusiastic, right how pumped she is about the road. And so think about this is great for her. She's not expecting this at the start of the season probably right. Things go so well now. She's all fired up for the road, gets a taste of Europe, gets to come home and she's going to be so motivated all winter because right, it's just a contract through the Olympics and then she just, you know how it is like at later stage of your career to find that type of focus to really go out and want to put in that extra suffering and do all the extra Little stuff. I just think it's a great, you know, a great move for her. And then the best part is, is obviously she doesn't have to work for Demi Vollering at the Olympics, you know.
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You know, I would argue, though, that I think that this was definitely in the back of her mind, not having any intel on it. But looking back, you know, because we talked about. I do the. All the announcing and the interviews for the Grasshopper series, and it was one of the Hoppers, Kate was supposed to show up, and then kind of last minute, she didn't. And I saw she was doing big miles with Kristen Faulkner and someone else. They were riding down the coast. Right. And this was, I mean, I don't know, February, March, whatever. One of the ones she usually would come out to a couple of the early ones. And I saw that and I'm like, huh, that seems. Seems kind of strange, you know, that she's. She's doing this. So I, I think that they're, you know, maybe not the exact thing with FDJ and Specialized. Maybe it was. I mean, we know Red Bull has a relationship with Specialized, right? With the, with the Red Bull Bora Hansgrove team, and she's the hottest property in. In US Women's cycling right now.
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Yeah, I'm sure she must have considered making the Olympic road team. But the whole fdj, I mean, unless, you know, you could maybe unpack a little bit more, Ed, because we were going back and forth about, you know, sponsorship. Who's she going to keep, is she not. We were wondering, is it just when she's on the road fdj, that she's on Specialized and she keeps Allied when she's not. But it's none of that, right?
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Yeah, I don't think so. I think the Allied thing is over. I think the Giro helmet deal is over. She did a farewell to Giro helmet, so she's purely specialized. I think the Rafa clothing thing was probably gone, too. Whether she keeps Rivian, you know, maybe they stay on as part of her foundation, which still lives on.
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Hard to say. Maybe Rivian joins the team over there in Europe. She's not racing Leadville, she's riding the Tour of Britain or something like that. And the other thing that I would quickly add in is she did ride with the US national team this early, early season. So she was in Europe racing with them. And, and that got her ready for pro worlds, I mean, for pro nationals in the United States, where she won. So she's been cooking on this one for A while.
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I'm just. I'm looking on the socials with Vela right now. Yeah, they're talking about it, you know, and she's saying it wasn't. This wasn't so much on her radar. You know, we always know what we hear. We don't actually know what happened unless you were there, but this is really pretty cool. Yeah.
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So July is all about media releases, team signings. For us, July was about Super Week. And we had a nice reader send us some. Some photos. And, you know, Super Week was all about the Stockton brothers. I was at the back getting whiplash or tendonitis in my elbow. But the last year, the three of us raced super weak, which I can remember looking down. Yep. Together I can remember finishing races and looking down at my Avocet. Black computer was probably black. It might have been neon green at that time, but the average speed after 100k criterium. Now, granted, you guys just had your masters Nationals and this and that. State championships at Manhattan Beach. Criterium racing back then was a little more intense than what I saw on YouTube over the weekend. I got a bag a little on what I saw. These smaller fields, you know, like, come on, man. Like, racing back then was. Was. Was beans. And yeah, I looked down at my Avocet and I can remember 31 mile an hour average for 100k.
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And. And you try riding the back at that speed, that means you're gonna have a lot of whiplash. So think we were all there. We had a nice reader submit some. Some photos. And of course, you know, neon green
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Avocet on my bike right there to match the neon green American Commerce jersey. Dude, you guys. To match the neon green bottom of my bike. Yeah, yeah, look, it got the green. Got it matching up. Although I don't have the green shades on, but I got the white top to match the time helmet there, you
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know, so that's me on ski to your right. Yeah. He was launching sram. He was launching sram. Believe it or not. He has the first SRAM product on his bike right there in that photo.
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Yeah. Before they were sram, they were still just known as Grip Shift back.
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Well, the SRAM logo was on the box, by the way. You know, SRAM stands for the original founders, you know, Steve and Ramsey and whatever. Making it spell out Shram. The SRAM name was. Was. I knew it. And they gave away Grip Shift to anyone who would take it. I know that. They paid me on ski.
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Yeah. Remember That, I mean, it's not a bad idea for the early thing, except they spun the wrong way. I remember thinking that you wanted to shift harder by twisting out, but I think it twisted in. And I was like, wait, what? But even still amazing that that was their first product. When you look at the company that they are now, you know, which proves the innovation.
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According to the Internet of things. The Aioview says Grip Shift didn't become SRAM. They were the exact same entity from the beginning. SRAM Corporation was founded in 87. 1987.
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So Grip Shift was just the product
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with the sole purpose of manufacturing, selling the Grip Shift twist shifter. So it was the first and only product they had then. So that was.
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Yeah, I was just trying to. I was trying. I always love looking at little knickknacks, you know, I'm sure I have 32 whole spoke wheels on, you know, with the shallowest flat rims like. Like everybody else does there. And then the neon American Commerce dollar sign jersey, which was either a love it or hate it. You know. People, dude, that's so sick. People, dude. What the. You know, had my slot of paint job, the neon paint job. I had Suntour superb pro levers on and fingertip shifters. That was the year of the. That was kind of the fingertips. Yeah, we're 89. Oh yeah. Center super brakes. 89 and 90 fingertips. And then the. The. The STI shifters, road shifters came out in 90k, which was when you got them actually out for the public.
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Yeah, look at that sea of white and red.
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I mean, tell me the name of any other shoe. You know, I mean, Meowski is a specialized shoe because he's on a specialized bike with a specialized helmet.
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Yeah, yeah. Because the. Because what. What was it we had? The jerseys were American Commerce, but. Oh, I know what it was. The team. The team. They got these terrible bibs. I don't remember the name of the company that made them, but I think the only person that they. Well, you guys wore them, but they did not fit me. So I just went out and bought some daisant bibs. But they had a big old. I think they had American Commerce in white on the side. But something about the shape of the chamois or something like that was just like there was no way I could wear them.
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Their logo Was a little roach. Yeah.
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Anyway, so. Yeah, but the jerseys were Giordana. I think they had bought jerseys the year before they got the jersey or something. I don't remember why we didn't have bibs. I remember we got skin suits. I think that they were just late on getting the clothing is what it was.
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I don't ever recall an American Commerce logo. Giordana bib short. These entire time we read on that team, we didn't.
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We didn't have them, I don't think. I think we only got jerseys and skin suits and then you had Colombiana ones. But I. Like I said, they weren't. They weren't meshing with DS's taint, so I had to give them the heave ho.
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Well, here's the. Our photos got mixed up here. There's another super weak one. So same year, right? And from our same. Same listener. So Superweek 90. Andy Paul and racing for the Silver Bull at Coors Light. Bar end shifter, Brian Walton.
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Yeah, the bar ends were still there. Brian Walton on a 711 there. 711 was a big Shimano team. So he had the STIs. And then there's me suffering behind those guys. Although I would argue we all kind of have our own suffer face going on in this photo.
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I like that. Pollen's already standing up, like on the attack out of the corner, you know, that's him just going for it.
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Great, great draft. Six, four, 200 plus pounds.
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Yeah. And those are the. I think we spoke about this before that. Those. I have the STI levers because Wayne Stetna found me after the pro championship. So this is after the pro championships. But I didn't have a jersey yet because I only had the one that I had won at the race.
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It was like a size 5 or whatever. Oh, but again, that crazy tech, Right? Like, look at how wide those tires are.
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Look how wide the handlebars are.
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I know. Wide handlebars, narrow tires.
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Who would have thought it would be going the other way, Right? But the tires are wider and the handlebars are narrower. Funny.
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That was some super week. Was amazing. It was probably, you know, two or three weeks. You know, you could race every day. You needed some rest days. Jackie Duran came over and raced that year with us. And, you know, he went on to wear the yellow jersey after that, but he didn't make his tour team that year. So you'd have riders that Wanted to come do something while the tour was going on if they didn't make their tour team and they would come to Super Week. So Jackie D. Was there that year.
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Yeah, because I remember the legends we were told is basically during the tour, during that time, that the racing basically died. Like, if you didn't make the tour team, it was difficult to maintain fitness if you didn't time it to take a vacation. Otto Wentz, who was the head promoter at Superweek, he would bring these European riders over, he would pay their airfares, he would get them lodging. I don't know if he paid them start money. Maybe he did. But the racing, to your point there, Ed, it was. It was on every day. And you did. You had to strategically figure out the days you weren't gonna race, because I think it ended up being like 17 days total that you could race.
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Another good feature of Super Week was that if you were, you know, been racing in Southern California back then. Right. I mean, we were. We started racing at the beginning of February, and people might now go, oh, there's criteriums in January. But we were racing, like, every weekend starting in February. That was like the start. But after a long season. Right. We kind of peaked for the pro championships that week in June, those couple weeks in June. And then you're like, oh, man, I gotta race out the rest of the year. You knew that if you went back to super Week and raced, that all you had to do was come home from Super Week, get like a week of rest in, and then you pretty much, without having to train too hard, could definitely just have unbelievable form to finish out the rest of the year. I mean, obviously, you still had to train, but that bump you would get from super weak, and then coming back and racing in socal and doing those, you had the form the rest of the year. So it was a. It was a good one to do.
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Or you'd arrive back home, smoked, completely smoked, and never be the same that year then.
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So maybe then even two weeks of rest didn't do it, if you remember, quite the same. But you're telling the story right now, so that shows that there's definitely merit to that, to that experience.
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And if I remember correctly, Ed, too, that the short criteriums at Superweek were 50 miles. Yeah, they were either 50 miles or 100k and maybe there was one one
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of them less than that, but.
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And the hard part was those 100k criteriums would start at like 5 in the evening, 5, 6 o'.
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And you'd get on this terrible cycle, especially if you had, you know, a Mountain Dew or a Joke Cola there for the last hour, 45 minutes, you'd get on this routine where you would.
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And so to do that flip around was like, okay, what are you gonna do? But same guy, I think, Jose Mercado, he got. He gave me this one a while ago. So I had super boot that year. And this is the. If people don't remember Eddie Van Geiss, who was a race announcer forever, he was a bike racer. Eddie actually had a small cameo in Breaking Away as well. But he was the voice of Super Week. So I remember. And I actually just looked back at. When you reminded me of this photo, I went back and looked at the training log and I did. I won the first stage of Super Week then that day, which was the short lakefront road race on Saturday morning. That night we had Downer. Downer Avenue, not Downer's Grove. Downers Grove was the pro cruise in west of Chicago. Downer Avenue. And I looked at it and said, I got one that morning. I had no legs that night and lost the jersey. Sad. The jersey for half a day. But it's just cool to see.
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You're kind of like, Link got it in the morning, lost it in the afternoon.
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We're a slightly bigger stage, but yeah, you just. It's just fun to have those. The training logs and look back and like, oh, all right. And I think that must be the overall winners.
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Trophy right there. And so I think they have that there every day just to, you know, show people what you'd win. Back with big old trophies. Were big old trophies, huh?
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There are so many funny tidbiscuits about Super Week, like how you would just go and, you know, after the race, you would go to get your prize money and they just had envelopes full of cash, you know, and it's like down through the line, you go up. I was 13th. You get envelope, 13th place, whatever, 200 bucks. And I Remember that we had raced it in 88 when we were with Conejo Velo, you know, that whole team went back. I went back in 89 and raced it with Danny Van Hout. You know, you know, we're on that Nissan team and we, I think we raced. I think it was Pac, actually that one. That Schuler won all the time. And I remember getting that race and I go in and Danny and I, you know, we're splitting our prize money and so we would get the envelope, open it up and just divvy up the cash equally. If there was ever a over under, whoever placed better, you know, did it. But they gave me my money for whatever place. And they're like, oh, they're like, look at this. Darren Stockton, you know, like 12th place, 1988 from the year before. And they're like, ding, ding. There's still just an envelope with a couple hundred bucks cash in there from the year before. Yeah. So I got the double payout. Of course, Beast was trying to claim, you know, that. Hey, hey, hey. Now that got handed out this year. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
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From my efforts last year.
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So, yeah, I had one more Superweek photo 87 here.
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Right. So that's me in the. In the 10 speed drive, the red helmet kind of center. Olympic speed skating gold medalists first winner. Of course, it's Eric Haydn right there. So even Eric Haydn raced at Super Week when he was on 7 11.
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And this was the year after those guys made their tour debut.
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Right. So still there racing. I mean the fields and I have a feeling this one is that maybe that one around the brewery.
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I know I have some more of photos from this exact race, but when you guys brought up Superweek when we were getting going, I couldn't. My filing system isn't quite the filing system I thought it was. So they aren't where they should be. But I'll find those photos and share them at a later one. But again, just the number of racers and how competitive it was and how hard the racing was, it was great. And then to have the Europeans there, I mean, you have a guy hiding there as well now.
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Do you still have clips and straps in that shot? KS87, I don't think you were on clipless yet, were you? No, I don't.
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I think I'm wearing those, those Bronco. The gray ones.
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So it was that winter. I think I tried look pedals early that winter in the off season and then we got the time pedals. November, December of 87 going into 88. So yeah, still on toe clips there now.
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You know, Chaos, you are up on the levers going through the corner when everybody else is on the drops, you know.
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Yeah, but that's. I was thinking forward to 20, 27 when everyone rides on the tops these days, right?
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Yeah. Well look at the size of the drops on my yambour, those things.
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Look at that.
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It's like a foot of drop.
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Look at that right there.
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That's why the stems were like so high and up on the tops because the drops were so loaded. If you had that slammed you might as well have like the old Pursuiters where they just welded the handlebars coming off the fork crown. You know, those things would be so low.
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So that was a, that was a good one.
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Yeah, super week.
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Super week was a place in July. We started racing there as juniors. Chaos might have been a, you know, first year senior. We had quite a bit of time there. We went to some salad bars where they would have the smoking section and the non smoking section around the salad bar. Yeah, it was hard to eat. It was an interesting lifestyle. I always perk up when someone says Wisconsin because I think we all know the small little towns, Madison, those little towns up to the north, towns to the south, close to Chicago. I think we all know that state and we all think back fondly. We posted these pictures on Instagram and we had a lot of great comments from a lot of old time riders. So you can enjoy them there. Moving on to blinded by. Well, let's see. Ds. You had a what went wong?
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I just had a what went wong. Even though I'm sure everybody's seen it by now. But the what went wong. I guess we know what went wong with pidcock shifter and in the one stage and I just thought that was amazing, you know, that, that just. It just so happened that a little piece of tarmac flipped up and got wedged in between the lever so it wouldn't shift as people maybe saw him like kicking, you know, kicking on his derailleur thinking it had reset or gone into crash mode because it wasn't shifting. But then he finally figured it out because the, the remote buttons, right, that are up on him were still shifting. But I thought that was, you know, you could tell his frustration even though it was a different mechanism from him dropping his chain in the critical moment at Liege, you could see the frustration of Pidcock was just like, dude, what the. You know, off in the. In the break in that finale. But. But finally got it working, you know, but like, what. What a chance, like such a slim chance for something to fly up and get that. And you can imagine now in the moment, you're just going, the shifter's not working, you know.
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Well, and it was. Yeah, but his other one was right. So his. His.
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Right.
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It would shift into the lighter gear, but it wouldn't shift into the heavier gear.
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Right.
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And.
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And it's interesting because you said something there about crash mode. SRAM doesn't have a crash mode. That's a short Shimano thing.
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Right.
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And I. I saw. I was watching an interview with one of his team principals talking about, oh, well, he thought it had gone into crash mode. I was like that. Right. You should know that to me, that. That you don't actually know as much about the equipment that your team is racing on as you think, you know.
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Yeah.
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By saying it went into crash mode because it doesn't. Doesn't have that crash mode. Because granted, I've dropped my sram, my SRAM bike hard on the trailer, and it gets up and it shifts. So there is. My watch goes off, the Garmin goes off. The alerts are going, but there is no crash mode there. So maybe that should have been the amateur.
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Maybe so. Yeah, I think so. For kicking the derailleur.
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Well, the next day, if something went wrong for Pitcock, he slid out on the line in that turn, and they've been sprinkling lime to cool down the road. Add some white to cool down the road because the black tarmac is probably getting too hot. And I think in that particular spot, the road wasn't hot and the lime wasn't absorbing. So he crashed the next day.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Mateo Jorgensen also crashed in that term churn as well. The lime was loose, you know, the white powder.
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I wonder. That's why Mateo's been struggling.
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I think so.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that was. That was. That was a bummer to see that. I mean, especially Pidcock. What did he say? He didn't think he'd ever even crashed, uh, on the descent of a tour, or crashed in a Grand Tour before, something like that. So.
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So that's something the race organization decided
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was a good idea. Yeah. Because in the Massif Central, it's been so hot, and so the tarmac.
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Yes, like that. Tarry.
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Yeah. Paid a lot of them fresh for the races. So they. They also sprinkle lime. You'll see that white powder to cool down the fresh tarmac, you know, so.
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Yeah.
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Is it.
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Do you guys. Do you know, is it something that lime. That lime doesn't It. It interacts with the tarmac, or is it just the fact that it's white?
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I think a little. Soaks it up.
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Soaks it up because we've all ridden on either fresh pavement or like, you've seen tar that it almost is like the. The La Brea tar pits, where it. It wants to bubble up through the. The surface when it gets mean. I remember.
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Or when there's super weak.
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Right. You'd be going up a climb and you'd like stay away from the. Where they filled the cracks with the tar because, you know, it would be soft.
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It would get. Yeah, it would get. It would get squirrely a little. Well, you know, I know in. In supercross, you know, dirt bike racing, indoor stadium racing, they used to use lime to hold the dirt together, and it sucks. The lime will suck the moisture out of the dirt, and they do it to hold the tracks together because they get beat up by the tires. But they had a big snafu at the San Diego Supercross, like three or four years ago, maybe it was 20, 22 and it rained, and whoever was on the lime was clueless. And they were just sprinkling lime out. But then there was lime in the standing water, and all these athletes got, like, their skin burned. All everybody's bikes were ruined. The lime just, like, etches out all of the anodizing and everything. And you had, like, factory bikes in the third round of the race that were basically like, scrap. But it was a big deal. They. They stopped using lime for that reason. And several athletes sued them. They had health problems. Roxanne got really screwed up. And so lime, like, I know from that it's used, take up moisture, like, more so if the dirt is wet or it's like a mudrase. But I would imagine it's just the same thing on tarmac. It just soaks it up and kind of makes it, you know, dry with some grip. But if you don't soak it up or don't sweep enough off, then, you know we have what happened.
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Yeah, so that. That combines science blinded by science and what went wrong. Those are two. Mixing of our segments and mixing of materials.
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I would even also offer that the tour having having lime on the road that took out Pidcock in Jorgensen is an amateur for The Tour at the Tour.
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Well, here's a little overview. It says, during the TW stage, 10, race organizers sprayed lime mixed with water on parts of the tarmac, particularly on technical descents like the Cul de Puy Marie, to prevent the asphalt from melting in extreme heat. This measure sparked controversy when multiple riders crashed, leading competitors to criticize the treatment for making the road slick. Then it says the controversy and safety concerns. The heat protection protection substance is intended to reflect sunlight and keep the road below critical temperature.
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Wow. So that's what it is.
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Including Olympic mountain bike champion Tom Pidcock and Matteo Jorgensen lost control and suffered crashes during the stage. Pointing to the chalky residue as a primer as the primary cause, Pidcock publicly expressed frustration at the substance, liking its texture to the road on the road to ice. And then, of course, the ASO had a response. I'll read this, then we can dive in if we want. Tour de France road coordinator Andre Bancale pushed back on the rider's criticisms, defending the lime wash as a necessary safety measure. He noted that when extreme temperatures cause asphalt to soften, it creates a major. It creates major traction hazards. Boncala argued that the treatment is not inherently slippery and that the descents are simply difficult. Advising the riders needed to adjust their racing lines and speed rather than blaming the coding.
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Well, but who's advising them? Did you put a sign up that say you've got lime in the corner? I mean, at least do that and have somebody there saying, slow down? Yeah, I love the fact that he just says descents are dangerous, but, yes, a lot more dangerous if they got a substance on them that makes them slippery.
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Interesting. Yeah, that last sentence. Seems like he shouldn't have said that one to me, so. Yeah, well, hopefully there are no health.
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Well, that's what I was thinking. You crash in lime and you got, like, road rash with lime in it. That can't be good.
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That's exactly what I was thinking. We'll see with that Supercross stuff.
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So, yeah, now, granted, they could have not done anything and a bunch of people would have crashed on the tar, and then they'll be bagging on them for. For not putting it down.
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But, yeah, well, remember the famous scene with Jose Bullocki wiping out in the Tour and breaking his femur and Armstrong avoiding him and riding through the center of that switchback, doing a little off road, jumping back on. And I think that was in the massive central as well. And it was the exact same thing. I mean, they know this with these roads, it's not something new. I mean, what was that? Was that 20 years ago when that happened?
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Maybe 23 years ago? Yeah, that was 03 tour.
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So it's been going on. It's kind of strange that. Well, maybe that's the best. I don't have experience with it, so I don't know what the best solution is, if that's the best one or if there's a better one. It's unfortunate that the riders got injured.
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Well, I think one, one thing that'll help is wider tires.
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Yeah.
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I've been blinding my science with 35C Continental 5000 Sausages TRS.
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Whoa.
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They are faster on the rolling drum on bicycle rolling resistance than the 32C tires. Now, granted they're not aerodynamic, but aero is not really a thing for me. I don't shave my legs. So amazing tires, amazing experience. I'm enjoying them. They're my blinded by science and my personal products that I'm testing. And I think it's interesting that the data shows that they are probably faster for rolling resistance than 32C. Exact same tire.
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What pressure have you ended up? Where have you found your way at right now?
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Well, that's a good question because I, you know, sometimes I talk to sram, sometimes I talk to Silca, sometimes I talk to wolf tooth on my prior pressure. So I'm using the Wolf tooth pressure app. They have a bicycle rolling resistance calculator. It's an app. It's pretty nice. It's free, I believe. So they have me at 52 in the rear and 49 in the front.
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I don't.
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I think I wrote a little higher than that to start 249.
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I'm trying to think 3 degrees different when I. Or 3 degree 3 psi when I was riding the Camino, if you guys remember that bike. And I had those 30C Schwab ones on there. I was at 69 and 76, but that's also a 30. I mean, if you're going up to a 35. So I would think that you're probably, you know, in the ballpark.
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You know, they also caliper at 36, you know, so with this app, you can put in stated width or actual. Which is a nice feature of the app.
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Oh, yeah.
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You can also put in your temperature that you expect to ride at and the temperature you're inflating at your total body weight. And it's a good little app, but you can get different opinions out there.
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Yeah.
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So what with that PSI with the 35s that measure at 36. What's your body weight right now?
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Body weight of 205.
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Total.
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Total weight in the calculator of 227.
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Oh, bike, bike, bike and gear plus person.
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Correct.
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Interesting. Yeah. I've been riding these WTB exposures hot patches. 700 by 30, but they're a 32. I believe that they have adjusted their. Their hot patches using the same tire in the same mold. So it's a 32. And I run 50 in the front, 55 in the rear. On the road. On the road bike. And it's fun. It works pretty well. I also have a set of their exposures in 36. That mic out at 38. So I'm. As soon as I build another set of wheels, I'm going to throw those on too and ride that because that, that Envy Melee I have, it has that clearance. So it's, it's. I mean, it's crazy, isn't it, to think of those. Like we were looking at those old Superweek photos when we're riding 23s at 100. What, 105. We. We realized seemed like we didn't need 115.
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Yeah, right. Seems like it went so fast through the corners on those bikes.
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Yeah.
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Though, I mean like really, when you
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still have tendonitis in my elbow from holding on,
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I. I also remember sliding out quite often on skids.
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Also.
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Push it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Of course, that was that year.
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Went to clinchers from tubulars.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That year when we raised Super Week, I was on a Diamondback Tig welded steel bike.
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Oh, yeah.
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With a T bone Diamondback or a T bone Tioga John Tomax style stem.
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Yeah.
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And Cinelli 66, 44 drop bars. And I still have tendonitis in my elbow from, from that year. And those narrow tires, I mean, I was probably on Victoria CX and cg. Yeah, they were, you know, Mavic rims.
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What were those? 23s.
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Yeah, all those. So 23 was.
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I think they were a little wider than we thought because they were very round. They were very supple.
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Well, also think about. Yeah, also just think about how much, when you think about traction overall, how much give there was in the rim, you know, that shallow rim and the steel fork and the head tube and all that. So you're getting some suspension and handling, you know, some feel as you go through the. Through the corners on those.
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Yeah. The last thing I would add about my gp str 35c's gp5000 is I was running the astrs for about 2 years, which is the all season version. They're sort of wet weather and a friend of mine's like, oh, you're giving up 15 watts on that one. You need to get rid of those all season ones. And he was right. So I'm moved away. This is me not riding all season tires. All.
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All season. Nice.
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So how long have you had them on?
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Just a week.
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A little over a week. So, yeah, three. Three rides, maybe max, but they are a little big when you look down at them. They're not the sexiest looking things, but I like the feel and they feel fast.
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And you are running tubeless at that psi, obviously.
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Correct.
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Do you know the internal width of your rims?
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No, I wish I did, but they're DT Swiss and they're a little bit older, so I, I imagine they're pretty
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narrow, you know, 2022.
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The rule of 105 and aerodynamics is not taking place on them. They're way wider than the rim. So I'm not 5% bigger than the. The internals.
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Right.
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But I like the comfort dynamics in. I think, like you do more than the aerodynamics. I'm faster if I'm comfortable rather than faster. Faster.
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I think we covered the Good Idea files a little with the PR team of Kate Courtney, but that was some good marketing going on there.
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Yeah, I agree.
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Still going too. It's crazy.
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And for me, I'm going to give the Good Idea files to the Radial app that is put out by Matteo Jorgensen's brother, who was laid off by the Boston public library system. And he made this incredible app, which is with my coffee every morning, is a great addition to the Tour de France. You can see all the riders in the breakaway. It's nice on your phone. You can click into the chatter section if you want to see what the Internet is saying. It's like pro cycling stats on your phone. And it's an excellent app. It's called Radial and it was made by Matteo Jorgensen's brother. And I think it's great. When I first wake up in the morning, I can see exactly where they are in the stage. It's very graphical, very visual, and it's excellent to study gc. And it's quicker than scrolling around on your computer. So it's a great way to see the overall for the green jersey, all the attributes.
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Right.
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And radial is spelled. I think I should probably let you know how it's spelled.
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I think it's spelled regular. R A D, I, A L. Yeah, yeah. It's got that cool little logo that's like an R. That looks like, you know, like a racetrack or something.
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Yeah. You know, I, I downloaded this when we first started talking about it, but I had forgotten to look at it, and I just, Just, just pulled it up here and it's. Yeah, I'm gonna have to take advantage of this. He's even got some clips, so he must just be aggregating info and pushing it all to the app, right?
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Correct.
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He's got the, the skill set to do that. Plus, it doesn't hurt that his brother races in the World Tour. One of the biggest teams in the world.
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Yeah, well, I think. Yeah, well, he had quite the launch because I'm sure he had quite the time downloads. But it's, it's nicely done and it's, It's a great. If you're watching the race live, there's actually even a spoiler button if you don't want to be spoiled and you want to click, click on, turn on, no spoilers, which is, you know, there's some nice features. They did a good job at launch, and it's. I think it's a nice, nice companion to when you're watching live.
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Yeah. Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw one more in here if you guys remember that. We were wondering where it might fit in, but we forgot to talk about it in racing, so we're gonna drop it into the good idea files and the good idea file. I guess the good idea is that people or entities can change. And I bring this up because the UCI or the Tour Commissars, I guess it'd be the UCI made a bad call by relegating Jasper Phillipson out of third place place in the sprint stage two stages ago. And, you know, normally, I mean, we talked about saon getting DQ'd that year, which ended up being a bad call. They, they, they don't seem like they ever go back on these calls, and they relegated them. And I saw the interview with the Alpecin director and said they heard about the relegation. They actually went over to him, said, can we state our case? Can we look at video? And they went, they looked at all the information and apparently they actually had some video that had then surfaced by then that they didn't have when they originally made the call and they explained all their points and hey, it might look like this, but actually it was this person back here and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the Tour jury looked at and said, you know what? You're right. We're. We're changing our ruling, and they instated him back into third place. So I thought that that was perfect. Pretty miraculous. Like, hey, you got to make some tough calls in moments like that. But I also agree that with all the technology, I mean, dude, they have instant replay in, you know, sports, tennis, you know, whatever. I think that if the technology comes out and shows, so I say good on them for. For being big enough to. To get over it, you know, which is so smart because now it's not a big story. People might still be saying, ah, that was a bad move. But no, it's. It's the opposite. Reversed it. So that's in my. Dropped it into the good idea files for the UCI for being able to relook at their ruling and change.
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It brings up a great point because if you think about, like, you know, when a coach challenges a call, maybe in an NFL game, right. It's such a controlled little ecosystem. The game is on a field. You know, there's only, what, 22 players out there total. They've got all these different characters, camera angles, where bike race is so dynamic and there's so much going on and you've got, you know, you've got the race going on, you've got wind, you've got spectators, weather. I mean, so many things that happen and so many different camera angles. So I, I'll have to go back and look at that and see if they have the different footage because, you know, like the. The crash on that stage where Gravira went down. When I first saw that footage, I thought that he had got his handlebars clipped by.
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It was Olaf Coy, wasn't it? Yeah, it was coming around him.
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Yeah, it was Olaf Coy coming outside. Oh, man. I go, God, he went down hard for getting his handlebars clipped.
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That was.
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It must have been, you know that. Yes. You're sprinting and it was just perfect. Well, turns out he actually overlapped the wheel of the guy over on the other side, and that's why his front end went out. But, you know, initially, I didn't see that. Yeah, you start looking at these different angles and you have different, different perspectives. So I see how that can be, you know, more challenging in cycling. But, you know, they. They want to get these results out. They want to do the podium, like, as quick as possible. Maybe we're gonna have to start waiting a little bit on some of these so that. Well, I mean. Right.
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Yeah.
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If you're going to use this technology, then you got to use it to the full extent. And not do it so good on them.
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Well, World cup has var. The video review. It's been, you know, controversial and successful in some ways. In the World Cup, Major League Baseball has the challenge, the call right on the right on the spot. It's very quick. You're in the stadium, you watch it all unfold. It's. It's the first whenever video replay or in the NFL or Major League Baseball, that's when my wife, like, perks up and starts watching the screen. She's like, I got an opinion on that. And it really brings in the. The audience. And I think Major League Baseball is doing a great job with the challenge. Some catchers are better at predicting or making the right call to challenge a call than others. And that's a new skill that I'm sure the analytics are analyzing. And so, you know, cycling can benefit from that. You know, it just brings up a crazy thought. The concussions in that. That fall caught my mind. You know, that crash was. Was crazy. And I. And I heard that major in the World cup soccer injury, everyone in the World cup has a baseline study. That's done, dude.
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Motorsportions, Dirt, AMA supercross and motocross, they have to get a baseline at the beginning of the year. That's pretty common. The fact that they don't have that yet in cycling is, you know, kind of amazed that they haven't, you know, that they haven't implemented that one yet.
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Yeah, we started with helmets, and I think we'll end with helmets today. That helmets are important, and baseline testing and taking care of these athletes is important. And if. If World cup soccer is baseline testing their athletes, professional cycling should do the same. So.
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Yeah, I agree.
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All right, that wraps up episode 40 of season two. Please, like, subscribe Share Send us to your. Send us off to your friends. Send us your questions, Send us your photos. Thanks for joining us.
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