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All right.
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Welcome everyone to the Sears Angler Podcast and welcome to another edition of the Sear C Western segment here.
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And uh today's episode, we have an awesome one for you guys.
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We do not have a formal intro outro uh because simply Deacon and I did not have the time to put it together, but we are joined today by Mr.
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Ty O to talk about a bunch of stuff, but he really dives into how to adjust your live scope settings, some of the intricacies of the baits that he's learned out east and now fishing on the west coast, the similarities, the differences, and the things that he's found to be productive and efficient on both East Coast and the West Coast.
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Two gigabytes.
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So we're gonna keep this intro short.
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Uh Deacon and I have both got very busy uh this past week.
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We were able to get a bunch of episodes done, so we're gonna have a bunch of episodes for you guys coming soon.
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Excuse me.
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As I am actually right now, as you're listening to this episode, I'm on the water in Wisconsin for the last regular season Bassmaster Kack series event.
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Deacon's been on the road heavy for work.
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Things are slowly starting to die down for us.
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We have one last little stretch here that's gonna be pretty busy.
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So we might not have much up-to-date news for you guys in our intros, uh, but we will have episodes for you guys coming forward where um kind of uh on not really on purpose here, but had almost like a western couple weeks where obviously we have Ty O from this episode, we have Matthew Brannan from the California on the next episode.
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Uh we have John Murray next week, in addition to a real biology episode on Monday that is in from Oklahoma.
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So we have a bunch of stuff coming your guys' way.
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But uh we'll be having Justin Lucas here on the show soon.
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We got a bunch of stuff lined up for you guys, so uh no shortage of shows coming your way.
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But without further ado, let's get into today's episode with Mr.
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Ty Ow.
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All right, folks.
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So we're with uh the man, the myth, the legend, Mr.
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Ty O.
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And uh Ty, dude, it's good uh good to get you back on here, bro.
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Yeah, it's been a while.
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I think it was the last time I was on with you guys is back in 2020 before uh left to do the tour.
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No way, yeah.
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Wasn't that was it I thought did we do one show when you when you were coming back to fish west?
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Maybe we did, maybe.
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I don't think so.
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I think it was back in 2020, if I recall correctly, because that was a scary time in my life.
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I had uh quit my job, mortgaged the house, started a business from scratch, and I got the uh a taste of what it was like truly fishing for a living.
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And uh it's stressful, it's not like what you guys think, not what I thought.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Either way, it's it's good getting you on here.
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And then that is that's one thing when Deke and I are going scheduling shows, we're like, who haven't we had on?
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Because we love to get a mix of like recurring guests, but also like new people.
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We're like, man, we're almost 650 episodes into this.
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Who haven't we had on yet at this point?
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Uh but it's it's it's cool, bro, and it's cool to see you know reflect from back then to to now and seeing where you're at, and obviously, you know, competing against Deegan out on the West Coast.
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And we just went through a whole deep dive that we're trying to we'll get back to here in the show when talking about Southwest region stuff.
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But um I know we want to talk about what 2026 has been like for you, dude.
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Uh I mean I'll just keep it real with you guys.
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Like, I I'm not good at putting up a front or anything like that.
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2026 has been really weird for me, you know, especially after all the stuff that went down late last year and dealing with, you know, the course of public opinion, what really happened, knowing the truth, and it was just a hard pill to swallow because I know what it took for me to get out there, and it took a lot.
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I mean, six months of my life in two years, 134,000 just to have it go down the way it did, um, it still stings to this very day.
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Uh so at that time, I you know, I didn't know how things were gonna shake out last November, but I just knew that I need to keep moving.
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And the best move on the chessboard was to come back out west.
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You know, uh people don't realize that what beh what happens behind closed doors, you know, going back and forth, you know, three hours ahead in Florida coming back.
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I mean, I didn't get sleep for five years.
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I mean, literally when I got back, man, I was waking up at one o'clock in the morning, couldn't go back to sleep.
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A week later, I'll get up at 2.30 and then essentially 3.30, and then it starts all over again.
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So that went on for five years.
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Uh basically I recovered during the off-season, but during the off-seasons, even more stressed out.
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I'm even more stressed out than you know, in the middle of the season because they're trying to put together the deals, uh, trying to get put together the sponsorships, your plans for the following year.
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So uh man, I can't say I had a good I've had a good, like, stress-free Christmas in the last five, six years.
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Let's just put it that way.
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But um, you know, that's that's just the nature of it.
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You strap down, knuckle down, get to work, and um I wasn't gonna let anything stop, or at least I thought I wasn't gonna let anything anything stop in my head.
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It wasn't a matter of if uh I was ever gonna get there, it was just a matter of when.
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And I really thought that that was things were lining up for me finally.
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And when that went down, man, I mean, just oh, I still I still struggle with it every single day since it happened.
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Dang, bro.
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Yeah, yeah, man.
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Well, I can't, I can't only I can only imagine any of that stuff.
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I've done a little bit of travel from the west back east, fishing opens and Toyota series and things, and like you're you're dead on, man.
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It is such such a grind.
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Um, I am I am happy in the West.
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I love the West.
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Um, I love like we talked about the landscapes are really important to me.
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I just am so impressed with our our fisheries and the and the beauty.
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Uh I'm the biggest component of the West, or I'm the biggest uh cheerleader of the West.
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Uh I try try to be with our show anyway to push the stuff.
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But how is how has that transition been?
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Um sounds like things have still been tough and and just wrestling with all of that, but you know, coming west, fishing both the super 60 and the one bass stuff.
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What is uh what has that transition been like for you?
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Are you you know um how's how's the season been, number one?
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And then just like personally, business, all that, how has that shifted being back west?
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Um a lot of it's good, some of it's bad.
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Uh I think the worst part, you know how like they say fishing's a mental game?
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Well, I'm dealing with a different type of mental game.
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At the beginning of the season, I'll be honest with you guys, I didn't know if I wanted to be out there.
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You know, I just I didn't know it was the time to walk away, and I just found that I didn't have the same level of motivation.
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But once I'm out there, you know, it I mean, I still love fishing, don't get me wrong.
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Once I'm out there, I want to compete, and I get really upset when I don't do well.
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So it kind of reconfirms that I still have that drive, that competition um part of me that is really important to um, you know, to go fish competitively.
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If I didn't have that, I think it would be time to walk away.
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But uh the transition fishing-wise, man, a lot of the things that I've learned back east really helped me out west, like understanding forward-facing sonar.
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I've said this before.
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I think the guys out west are about a couple years behind the guys back east when it comes to forward-facing sonar.
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I mean, those guys back east, nothing but respectful, they are so freaking good at it.
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I mean, I've learned a lot, everything from setting up my equipment, what batteries to run, why power matters, running clean power, um, how to utilize or side scan, down scan, forward-facing sonar, all these little hacks that I've learned back east.
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Because if you didn't learn that, man, you're getting left behind, like big time.
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So going out west, um, for me, it's just trying to, I guess, put away some of the stuff back east that didn't work, you know.
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Um, I I c I called it tournament lag when in 2022 I fished the Toyota series out west and the Pro Circuit back east.
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And I remember struggling because I'm throwing a color like red bug.
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Dude, I didn't even know what red bug was before going back east.
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So I'm taking that color, throwing it over here.
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It's like, man, I'm not getting bit.
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I'll switch back over to green pumpkin and get bit.
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So I call it tournament lag.
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So it's just relearning how some of the lakes fish, what colors are popular there.
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I mean, for the most part, I know it.
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It's just I have I struggle because I got so much confidence in a variety of baits, but I just need to go back to the basics sometimes.
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Um, some of the lakes here, like I haven't been a brownle.
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I mean, that was one.
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Uh uh, I just went fishing, wondering why I didn't see anybody all day.
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And then again, I think I caught 12 fish over cast conditions, knowing that smallmouth don't maybe don't bite in overcast conditions.
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Came in, looked at the results.
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I was like, holy smokes, man.
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I'm like in the bottom 10%.
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Everybody smashed them.
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So the next day I ran all the way, I guess it would be downriver.
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Um, wait, it would be, yeah, downriver.
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And I'm like, oh, this is how everybody's catching.
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They're all over the place there.
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But that was a neat fishery.
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I've never been there, so I was looking forward to that one.
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The Columbia River was a heartbreaker for me because I did well the first day, sitting in the 11th.
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Um, it was, as you guys know, it was windy as heck.
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I couldn't really stay on my spots, smallmouth fishing.
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Went largemouth fishing, caught a four-pounder first fish I caught in there back at Casey's Pond.
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I'm like, oh boy, we're gonna have a good bag today.
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Well, caught a limit.
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Left there around noon, and I left with two one and a half pound fish.
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Okay.
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And remember, the first day I caught 15 smallmouths over two pounds.
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Well, in three hours, man, I never caught another two-pound smallmouth and I missed a cut by half a pound, or missed a check by half a pound.
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So it's frustrating in that way.
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Um, going back to the California Delta, man, I started off with a nine-pounder the first day in the BAM Delta event.
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Yeah, set myself up for a pretty good day.
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My co-angler was super cool, so I want to hook him up.
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That tournament, man.
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Um, I wasn't casting at two pounders.
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So every time I saw a two-pounder on the band, I'm like, dude, cast at him.
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I'll wait for a few minutes for ya.
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I let him cast at at least 22-pound fish.
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Well, to end the day, I came in with two one and a half pounders of six masters, but I was sitting pretty good, right?
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Second day I go out there, stuck like an 8-6, uh, another decent fish, had three one and a half pounders.
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And I want to run up to whites, I haven't checked those fish yet.
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The first fish I cruised up to wasn't locked.
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The second fish, because the overcast on my graph, I couldn't really see where my waypoint was.
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I was zoomed out just enough where I'm oh crap, I'm right on top of the fish.
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I put my poles down.
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It was already too late at that time.
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Lifted up my poles, went up as soon as I passed the fish.
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My co-angler casted to him, caught it, and it was almost a four-pounder.
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Well, I missed the top 10 cut by half a pound.
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And I had three one and a half pounders.
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So if I would have just caught one more two-pounder, I would have, you know, made the top ten cut there.
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I would have cashed a nice check at the Columbia River event.
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So it's it's fuzgrading, but hey, I've been doing this long enough to know that that's fishing.
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Sometimes that's gonna happen.
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Um, you know, some I I mean, look, it's fishing.
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You need to get lucky, but you also need to have skill to capitalize on the luck.
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It was just a luck factor, whether it's good luck, bad luck, it is what it is.
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Um, you know, I'm having a lot of fun fishing out west.
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I think the fishing out here is a lot better.
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And it's funny because driving the what the Columbia River is my furthest drive of the year.
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I'll be honest with you, I felt like a walk in the park.
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So it's so easy.
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Yeah.
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You're like, this is a nice, easy.
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I can do this in two days?
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Nice.
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No, I can do it in a I can do it in a day.
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I think uh I've driven well, I've driven 21 hours before, straight, but I think my limit's about 18 to be eight, 19, 19 to be safe.
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But I can do the Columbia River one shot if I wanted to.
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But it felt easy because what New York would be the equivalent of me going up to the Columbia River, making a U-turn, driving back, making a U-turn driving halfway.
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I mean, that's what it's like driving to New York Champlain.
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Gosh dang.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy, man.
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Yeah, crazy.
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That's what they say, dude.
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Part-time fisherman, full-time truck driver.
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Yeah, man.
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It's um I don't get me wrong, I I get what people say when like, man, that's a crazy drive because I used to be that guy.
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My brother started fishing regional level events before I did, and I thought he was it was crazy for him to drive 13 hours.
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I'm like, dude, you're driving 13 hours to go bass fishing.
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And then a couple years later, I joined him.
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And I remember that first, the first time I drove 13 hours, man, it took forever.
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And I remember leaving, I got like, I felt like a little bit of anxiety, you know, because it's like, oh my gosh, we gotta drive 13 hours back.
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And then you drive to Clear Lake is 15 hours, and then Shasta 17 hours, Timber River, what, 20 hours, and then you drive back east, go to Alabama is 26, 27 hours.
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So that 21-hour drive doesn't feel bad.
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The Delta 13 hours doesn't feel bad.
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So it's all perspective, man.
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Uh, but yeah, I enjoy out being out there on the road and just kind of clearing my head.
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You know, I work from home outside of uh fishing, I work from home, run an insurance brokerage right out of my office, out of my house.
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So I look forward to getting on the road and just clearing my head.
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Yeah.
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It's funny that perspective, because I got a lot of buddies out of the Carolinas and Tennessee area, and they obviously fish the national stuff, and usually it's you know, Texas and East is where all the events are.
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Uh they're like, dang, dude, you drive 16, 18 hours to an event.
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And I'm sitting there on the phone with one of them the other day, and I'm like clocking out Wisconsin's our next one.
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I'm like, oh yeah, it's only 10 hours for this one.
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It's not bad at all.
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That's a quick drive.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, back in the day.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, back in the day, I remember driving two and a half hours to Roosevelt seemed like forever.
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But now, right after the tournament, I just boogie on home.
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Like at the Columbia River, I left right after the tournament, drove to 10 15, woke up at 1 30, and got home like at 2 30 in the P PM or something like that.
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So I slept like three hours and I was fine.
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Road dogging, dude.
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Yeah, I mean, that's the thing that I think people too maybe don't realize as much.
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Obviously, the the push from west to east is such a big landscape.
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That's massive.
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But also just our western lakes, like we have such a big land mass, so it's spread out.
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Like if you live in like Tennessee or North Carolina, like your your region, you know, is pretty small.
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But like, yeah, like you're saying, I mean, uh, just Bailey, your same point.
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If it's under a 12-hour drive, I'm pumped.
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Like, yes, I see this is a good one.
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Let's go.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No, and that's what I mean.
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Like, like seeing somebody going and traveling back east and being the guy actually doing it, two different things.
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Because you're seeing it, you already have an idea that it's bad, but you're not accounting that I'm driving a truck at that time, my first two years.
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I'm driving a truck with 370 something thousand miles.
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I didn't know what was gonna break down, stuff going wrong all the time.
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The mental toll that it takes on you just to kind of keep it together and keep it going, and then you know, more often than not, things don't work out there at the tournament, so you just try to scratch that off and move on to the next, or trying to learn these different fisheries.
00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:47.919
And it was tough.
00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.080
I knew that my learning curve was just going to be slower because I live out west.
00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:56.240
I was okay with it, never complained about it, but I just knew it is what it is.
00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:07.359
Uh, there's guys out here like Brent Ayler that look up to um Brett Height that have done it from living from the West, and I was just hoping to be one of those guys as well.
00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:12.240
So I don't know, it's it's it's kind of weird because um it wasn't until iCast.
00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:14.640
I'm glad I went to ICAST this year.
00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:36.880
And to be honest with you guys, the first day was really uncomfortable for me being at just iCast, you know, because I knew that was that guy, and I mean my suspicions were confirmed when you know I'm sitting around talking to guys, and after five minutes, a guy that I don't even know comes up, hey man, I think SBS will happen to you, and just want to let you know that happened all week long.
00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:43.279
So uh, but it kind of lit a fire because there's a part of me that I don't think I'm done.
00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:51.839
There's more things I want to do back east, and um, hey, there's there's more than one Mount Everest, you know, which is the Bass Pro Tour.
00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:57.519
Talk to those guys at Major League Fishing and had a great time fishing um with major league fishing.
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So I'm gonna see if it's possible if I can fish both tours, the uh pro circuit and the super 60.
00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:13.920
So that's what I'm kind of shooting for next year, but I gotta sit down, really look at the schedules, talk with my partners, and just see if I can go do it.
00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:15.599
Heck yeah, dude.
00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:16.880
Dude, that's cool, man.
00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:17.920
Glad to hear that.
00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:23.359
Yeah, I uh I like the mindset there, and I I think it's really cool the guys swinging both, right?
00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:32.240
I mean, you got kind of Bryant Smith-ish, these guys running either two boats or they're flying and going back and forth across the country fishing both east and west.
00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:34.799
Um, so I'd love to see you do that and make that happen.
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Be a cool deal.
00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:42.079
Yeah, again, it's just man, I felt like I was starting to understand some of those fisheries.
00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:52.720
My biggest nemesis are fishing for smallmouth up in New York, that region, and struggled the first like three times I was there and started cashing checks.
00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.240
Uh, Tennessee River is like my biggest nemesis.
00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:03.839
It seems like every time I go there, I'll find them good in practice and then they disappear, and I don't know where they went.
00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:08.640
Um, that's the Tennessee River and then Florida.
00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:15.599
You know, the Florida fish in Florida, they don't give a damn what you know about bass fishing.
00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:16.400
Right.
00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:16.960
Yeah.
00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:18.960
Be pretty accurate description.
00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:21.440
Yeah, an entity as you're yeah.
00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:25.519
I mean, they got a bass named Florida bass.
00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:30.000
You know, I'll give you a perfect example of what I'm talking about here.
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When I went out there, you know, doing research and talking to people, they tell you, hey man, make sure you throw that um speed worm.
00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:42.720
And I remember thinking, you want me to crank a worm?
00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:44.240
No, you guys can have it, man.
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I'm not doing that.
00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:51.039
So after three times of getting your teeth kicked in down there, you're like, let me try it.
00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:54.559
The first time I tried it, it caught 25 pounds on it.
00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:57.039
So now it's a part of the arsenal.
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I don't know why they eat it, but that's the only state I throw it in.
00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:01.039
Yep.
00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:02.799
You know, sounds about right.
00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:03.279
Yeah.
00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:09.279
Dude, talking about the bait stuff, you mentioned earlier with the West, like getting back to basic stuff.
00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:15.279
What's been kind of like your three mainstays for getting back to the basics this year when it comes to like technique stuff?
00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:21.039
Well, the first and foremost, it's hard to ignore you know what the bait I built my career on.
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Just a green pumpkin, five-inch senko.
00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:30.160
I've been been fishing a lot of tournaments out here at Lake Pleasant, the night fishing tournaments.
00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:31.279
I'm still throwing that thing.
00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:37.119
I'm catching about 90% of my fish that'll weigh in on a five-inch green pumpkin senko.
00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:44.079
You know, I'll catch small mouth, largemouth, post-spawn, summer fit, summertime fish on the ledges.
00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:46.720
Um, and again, that's my number one go to.
00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:49.119
If I need a limit, that's the bait I'm throwing.
00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:54.880
Uh, secondly, it's just, you know, a drop shot, morning dawn, or any of those variations of oxblood.
00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:59.279
Uh, it's hard to beat a rubber worm out west.
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And then, you know, the third thing is probably well, just the thing I picked up back east is throwing a minnow.
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Because I don't think a lot of guys really throw it as much and utilize it as much out west as they do back east.
00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:17.119
What do you think, Adam?
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Am I am I right on that?
00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:23.839
Man, here's my here's my take on the on the east to west thing.
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Because I've I've experienced at a smaller degree, um, east to west, but like I feel like whatever happens east, we are two years-ish behind.
00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:39.599
And so I think guys are now picking up on the minnow, right?
00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:42.480
Like, it's been a mainstay for me this year, flat out, right?
00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:44.319
Like, I've thrown a minnow a ton.
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Anytime I'm in smallmouth country, I'm I'm zipping a minnow around.
00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:54.480
Um, so like I think that I think that you're you're you're spot on as far as like it's behind.
00:21:54.559 --> 00:22:01.920
I would say less guys do it, but I would say at the super 60 level, so so last year was my First year of fishing the Super 60.
00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:09.200
And immediately I noticed like going from local tournaments or you know, even pro amps.
00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:13.039
Like I noticed like first thing I was like, oh, there's a lot more guys out here, right?
00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:14.319
Like, there's a lot more guys out.
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I'm like, guys, guys have figured out you know the forward facing better than where it's been, but I agree it's still behind what what we're seeing on the east.
00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:25.839
But I'd say the minnow's coming around, but it's it's still a little bit lacking.
00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:27.519
So the fish are dumb.
00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:29.039
You said the east is behind.
00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:31.680
I think um the east is ahead on the minnow.
00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:32.880
No, that's what I meant.
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:34.000
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:35.440
Uh yeah, east is ahead.
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West is behind.
00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:37.599
Yes, yeah.
00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:46.400
So it was funny back in the day, the West used to be ahead on right, eco rigs and drop shot and those little techniques.
00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:52.960
But now with I think with social media, YouTube, just you know, these kids.
00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:55.839
I mean, I was thinking about this the other day.
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I remember when I was like, you know, a teenager and all the way up to my mid to late 20s.
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I had all the time in the world to get on YouTube, watch videos, just soak up as much information as possible.
00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:11.839
I rarely get to do that anymore.
00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:22.640
I mean, it's always something business related, you know, for the you know, the kids having an event that I gotta be at, basically uh adulting, right?
00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:24.480
We just don't have time for it.
00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:37.039
And I rarely get to sit down and just scour the internet watching YouTube videos and uh these kids that you know are fortunate enough not to have that responsibility yet.
00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:39.440
I mean, they're just learning so much faster than we are.
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:57.920
I think there's another caveat too is that a lot of your your new technique, Japanese influence, they're just flying straight to the southeast because that's where the hotbeds are and your route to the big leagues like Fastmaster MLF, and you see guys starting to connect with those folks.
00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:08.400
Like I I know a great example like Jake Maddox is closer than Kenta Kamura and kind of can get in on the ins and outs of what's you know what's on the horizon, what sneaky stuff there is.
00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:19.119
Um you see that happen like the Rob G's and stuff of the world, they're kind of connecting with these guys and they're kind of getting in on the scoop before the rest of the country does and adds to it.
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:27.440
Uh Kenta and I, we were um, you know, we're both a part of the Bass Cat team, but we were both running that champion 203.
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:32.880
Funny thing is, I never really taught to him out there when I first saw him because I didn't know he spoke English.
00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:40.480
And one day he creases up to me and just talking, hey man, you know, what's the top speed you're getting out of that boat for Mercury?
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:44.480
Because he runs the Yamaha, so we got to talk in and became friends after that.
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:49.119
I remember like going over to his boat, checking out the stuff he had just on his deck.
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:51.839
I was like, man, there's some swim baits, some stuff.
00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.640
I mean, just electronics, how everything's set up.
00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:56.559
I mean, it's sneaky stuff.
00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:57.759
It was pretty cool.
00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:02.960
So, you know, I'm sure the fishing in Japan is a lot different than the US.
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:06.160
And, you know, just kind of like the urchin that came out.
00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:10.000
I mean, I can't believe that thing's been around since two, what, 2005?
00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:11.599
Yeah, 20 plus years.
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:20.640
Picked up over here, and yeah, I mean, you can't find a tournament angler that doesn't at least have a few or is looking for some.
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:24.559
Dude, at the at the Columbia River, um, awesome tackle shop.
00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:25.920
Three, is it three?
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:28.960
What's what's the name of that tackle shop tie that we were we were at?
00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:29.519
Oh man.
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:30.400
For a meeting.
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Three three rivers, is that right?
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I think it is, yeah.
00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:33.680
I think you're right.
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:34.640
Something rivers.
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:37.519
Anyways, those dudes, it's super cool.
00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:47.440
For all Super 60 guys, we were limited, but you could you could buy Koikis, uh, a 17 and a and a full cast.
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:49.599
You're limited to one of one of each.
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.480
Um, so you but like that was that was a neat deal.
00:25:52.640 --> 00:26:00.559
I was like, dang, these guys, those do that's a sneaky tackle shop that you wouldn't expect in Washington that has some awesome stuff and a great online presence too.
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:13.839
Yeah, I was I was going through whoever runs that store does a really good job because they got a lot of good stuff that I think your uh weekend angler, I would say, wouldn't know about.
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:16.400
And I was I was really impressed by the selection.
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:20.160
They really know what's up, and uh they treated us real well there.
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:25.039
But how many of those baits do you think ended up on eBay?
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:26.640
It's a good question, man.
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.559
To tell you what, mine are in my box, but I I wouldn't be surprised.
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:31.519
You're you're not wrong.
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:32.000
Yeah.
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:34.559
But it got hustled some sort of way.
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:35.680
Yeah, yeah.
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:36.160
Yeah.
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:42.240
I refuse to do it because man, I I got this bone to pick with bait flippers, man.
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:44.480
Just just leave it up to the fisherman to fish, man.
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.200
Why do you why are you making everybody's life so hard?
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:53.279
Yeah, you know, because you know they're buying up all the inventory and then just posting on eBay.
00:26:53.359 --> 00:27:00.400
I mean, I remember just what not long ago, I was watching the frog hook, the troll car frog hook.
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:02.160
It was a hundred dollars a pack.
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.000
I'm like, what are you guys doing, man?
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:05.839
Yeah, you know, it's crazy.
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:08.960
Yeah, yeah, that was that was wild.
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:10.880
Yeah.
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:11.599
Yeah.
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:16.160
So anyway, um, yeah, the you guys want to talk about the summertime fishing here in Arizona?
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:17.920
Yeah, let's dive into that, man.
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:18.240
Yes.
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:19.359
What does that look like?
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:21.839
I mean, first of all, how do you stay alive?
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:23.440
Like it's August, man.
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:25.759
I'll tell you exactly how we stay alive.
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:37.200
You either fish late in the evening and fish at night, or you get up super early and get to the lake right at the right at you know, sun up.
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:44.559
You launch your boat, fish, and try to get off the water by 10, 11 at the latest before the crazies show up.
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:52.240
I mean, the wake boaters here, man, they got you doing caperdicts, you know, just constantly throughout the day if you don't get off early and it's super hot.
00:27:52.319 --> 00:28:00.319
So you can either jump in, deal with those guys, hide in a pocket, but those fish don't exactly set up in the back of a cove this time of year.
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.960
They're basically on main lake stuff, points, humps, structure out there.
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:14.559
Um, if you don't have good electronics, my tip is just go fish bluff walls here, either from your boat to the bluff wall.
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:20.319
Just throw a drop shot at the wall or a spoon or whatever you want to throw, they're gonna be right there.
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:23.200
And you'll have a lot of you'll catch a lot of fish doing that.
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:32.240
So our best lake right now for like quality, okay, would be Roosevelt, without a doubt.
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:36.079
I mean, there's so many 10 plus pound fish weighed in this year.
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:47.519
Um, and you know, my brother just caught a 10-pounder to win at an event a month ago, and you know, that Roosevelt reminds me a lot like ledge fishing.
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:51.119
Okay, the water's going down there and they got a lot of ledges out there.
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:57.359
So if you just go use their electronics, I happen to have a little rant, just go graph and you'll see schools of fish.
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.640
Um, ideally, you want to see them right on top of the ledge.
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:08.400
And you know, they got uh, I guess you guys call them uh um ditches.
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:20.160
You know, if you graph a ditch kind of going on on a flap, a lot of times they'll corral bait fish or their uh gizzard shad, they'll be feeding and schooling up in those areas as well.
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:24.720
But yeah, you just go, if you don't have electronics, just go fish points, you know.
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.279
Um, and sometimes it's a timing deal.
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.759
You'll cruise up on the point, get healthy real quick.
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:40.160
The baits that were throwing out there, anything from a drop shot, tennis, worms, you got any of those urchin baits, big magnum spoons, jigs, carolina rigs.
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:41.039
I mean, they all work.
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:49.680
Just think ledge fishing back east and apply everything you know about ledge fishing to Lake Roosevelt, you'll do fine this time of year.
00:29:49.920 --> 00:30:01.839
Um the lakes below that, which is Apache Canyon Swirl, you probably see a lot of big fish caught at those lakes on social media.
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:10.480
Uh, the nice thing about those lakes is the water comes in from Roosevelt, and those lakes are fairly stable, so they don't really go down or up much.
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:14.720
I think the variation is probably six, seven feet at the most.
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:21.279
And uh yeah, you just go fish all the points, the humps, the artificial habitats, you can throw a minnow.
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:27.359
Um, and those fish, man, they are so big.
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:29.440
Well, let me back up a second.
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:37.920
We had a golden algae fish kill back in, I want to say 2014, if I remember correctly.
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:43.839
And there's a uh group of anglers here, United Anglers, I think.
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:47.920
They stopped that place with F1, F1 Bass.
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:52.960
And when they, I mean, it did not take them long to establish there.
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:59.759
And let's just say our fishing was so good at Saworo, social media careers were made overnight.
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.319
I mean, you can go out there and throw a bubblegum catch, you know, seven pounders.
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.319
Uh let's to give you an idea how good it was.
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:12.160
I took my boss at the time, his daughter that's never fished.
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:17.599
Um I think she caught two seven-pounders and like six, five pounders that day.
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.759
And my boss caught an eight-pounder that day, just throwing Yamamoto St.
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.119
Those wacky rigging.
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.559
Uh those fish are a lot smarter now, though.
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.559
And they're harder to catch, but you hit it up on the right day.
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:38.160
I mean, I I don't know any other late that I can go out there and catch maybe a 20 to 24 pound bag.
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.920
If you call me, I'm gonna tell you I have a I had a horrible day.
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:42.559
Wow.
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.039
Because we're shooting for 30 pounds here now.
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:46.160
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:47.200
That's freaking awesome.
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:51.359
Do you think Arizona's the most underrated big bass state in the country right now?
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:52.559
You know, I do.
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:53.519
I really do.
00:31:54.240 --> 00:32:02.559
I was I was talking to a buddy about that not long ago, and you know, heck, I didn't know neither how good the fishing is here until I traveled the country.
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:11.599
And I mean, you know, with the salt river chain, especially Roosevelt, because Roosevelt had gone all the way.
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:16.400
I mean, it was up high, so you got the two rivers that flow in, the Tonal and the Salt.
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.279
I mean, they had so many places that they can hide.
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:27.039
And now that the water is lower, it you know, those fish kind of got pushed out of the river, and we're finding them on the main lake right now.
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.839
And the I'll give you an example.
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:42.400
Two years ago, I fished a tournament with my buddy uh calm Doc David, cruised up to a point, and I saw like a massive school just suspending off the point.
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:52.880
I didn't think that they were bass because the school is so big, but I also didn't think they were corp neither, because usually, if they're a school carp, we throw out there, they'll kind of spook off.
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:54.160
These fish didn't spook off.
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.319
I was like, maybe they're catfish.
00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:01.920
And well, they didn't look fuzzy on my grass because you know I I dial my stuff in pretty hot.
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:10.559
I can see the interference line on a catfish and see the fuzziness coming from the returns because I'm bouncing off slime, right?
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:12.319
So I'm like, that's weird.
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.079
They look like bass, but that's way too big of a school to be bass.
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:21.759
Well, I notice that every time we got into a flurry is when that school pushed up close to the point.
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:27.599
We caught 29 pounds that day to win the tournament, but we only caught like I think nine fish that day.
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.440
Well, later on I found out that that was bass.
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:41.759
I was sitting on a school of five to seven hundred fish that I would estimate to be five to eleven pounds, had no idea.
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:47.839
Um, but yeah, that's I mean, that's how big some of the schools are if you hit the right area at the right time.
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:53.759
And my buddy TJ signed up for a tournament that very same day.
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.759
I think he went out there and caught like 38 pounds on that school.
00:33:58.079 --> 00:33:59.200
Wow, yeah.
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:09.039
So if you uh if you want a shot at winning an event at Roosevelt during the summer, usually you're gonna need over 30 pounds now, which is crazy.
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:16.719
Because back then, 20 like just four years ago, it'd be just 20 pounds, 25 pounds, and you're probably gonna win.
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:25.199
But now it's gonna take the upper 20s to mid-30s and an occasional almost 40 pound bag to win there.
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:27.599
Holy smokes! Are we talking numbers too?
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:29.440
Like you are you running numbers of lights?
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:34.880
Yeah, you get fish all over the spectrum there, a bunch of 12-inchers, 15-inchers.
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:42.960
Um, for some I haven't caught uh got in on the three pounders much this time of year.
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:47.119
It's either going to be like a two and a half or a five plus there right now.
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:52.159
Uh, but I can tell you two years ago, I got on a really good flip bite up the river.
00:34:52.800 --> 00:35:08.639
We had 26 pounds, 21, 22 pounds, got second place three times in a row, but each one of those days I threw back multiple 17-pound bags, and 17 would have got you third or fourth at each one of those events.
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:15.039
And I was flipping with Ford Facing Sonic when I figured that you can actually flip with that thing, you know.
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.440
So I was going around flipping at these trees.
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:25.360
I'll see the fish right underneath the uh log that you couldn't see with your vis your your eyes, but you can see it on my my active target.
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:29.679
So I was just flipping to these fish and targeting fish that no one else fished for.
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:30.800
It was like super fun.
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:33.199
Wait, walk walk me through that a little bit.
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.880
I am I'm not super good shallow with forward facing.
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:37.280
Uh-huh.
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:43.840
Like, are you are you still running your depth pretty pretty uh high?
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.559
Like, how do you how do you set up to do that differently?
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:47.280
All right.
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:57.840
So with the depth and distance all relative to what you're doing, and whatever I'm doing, keep this thing in mind, which I call it aspect ratio.
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:05.599
Okay, so the biggest mistake that I see a lot of guys do out there, they want to utilize their whole screen.
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:14.880
They maybe in the morning they're fishing 25 feet of water, the distance at 100, they set their depth to their auto depth might jump to 35, 40.
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:16.400
You're you're okay.
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:24.559
But when you go cruise up shallow to like eight feet of water, your screen's gonna automatically adjust to 10 to 15 depth.
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:29.199
Well, if your distance is at a hundred, well, everything's gonna be stretched out.
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:33.199
That fish is gonna be stretched out so much that you don't know what that fish is.
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:41.920
Better explain, I set my depth and distance so that a fish looks like a quarter, a nickel, a penny, a dime.
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:49.360
If I catch something that looks like a penny and it's a two-pounder, well, I know that fish is around two pounds the next time I see a penny.
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:54.719
If I catch a fish the size of a nickel that looks like a nickel, that's a four-pounder.
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:58.719
Well, next time I run into a nickel, that's gonna be about a four-pounder.
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:07.519
Well, when you stretch out your image too much, now you get you get to pick between a pencil, a crayon, and a chop.
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:09.280
You don't know, right?
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:10.639
True, man.
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:11.199
Right?
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:16.159
So um I remember I was fishing.
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:17.840
I'll walk you guys through it.
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:22.159
So, how we find fish in the river, we just cover water, man.
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.760
You just flip everything that you see until you get a bite.
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:27.280
When you get a bite, you slow down.
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:32.239
And you're looking for you're hoping to run into that magic tree.
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:36.800
And that magic tree, I've won a lot of tournaments just finding that one tree.
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.800
It takes one tree to do well back there.
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:41.599
I remember just giving an example.
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:43.519
My brother and I found that one magic tree.
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.280
We caught 27 fish out of that one little tree in like six feet of water.
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.000
For some reason, they just school up around that tree for whatever reason.
00:37:52.239 --> 00:38:11.760
So I took my brother back there, we were flipping, and I flipped into this, uh, a flapping hog into this tree, set the hook, two and a half pounder, decent fish, putting them in the box, made the sand flip again, caught another fish, and then two feet on the left side of that tree, flipped over there, missed another one.
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.280
So he had his forward-facing sonar unit on.
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:17.760
We never even bothered looking at that thing.
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.079
So I was like, I wonder how many fish are over there.
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:21.199
So I just panned over.
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:22.159
I was surprised.
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:26.000
Ten feet away, I can see seven of them sitting underneath that tree.
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:30.719
And every time I flip in there, one will look at it, but he knows we're there, he's not biting.
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.159
So we marked that tree, left, found another tree.
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:43.360
We caught three out of that tree, but when I panned around, I saw that there was a bunch more sitting off the tree, maybe in a log underneath that I couldn't see with my eyes.
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:44.559
I'll flip over there.
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:46.000
What if you look at the video?
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:53.199
It looks like I'm flipping open water, but I threw over uh a log underneath the water, and those fish were.
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.599
I mean, as soon as they see your lure, they'll bite.
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.599
And anyway, finally got to dial in my graph.
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.079
We're fishing eight to twelve feet of water.
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:07.679
I can't pitch or flip a hundred feet, so I just set my distance to 70.
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:09.360
What's half a 70?
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:11.360
35, right?
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:23.119
So the goal is I'll try to leave it at 35, but again, my screen was too high, so I changed it to 30, and eventually I went with 25.
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.559
But remember, I'm only using half of my screen now.
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:38.000
But I want the goal was to keep my aspect aspect ratio uh in a way where a fish is still uh a manageable looking blonde.
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:41.360
Okay, because I'll give you another tip.
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:49.199
If I pan at a fish and I see one little interference line on my graph, I don't even throw out that fish because I know that's a catfish.
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:54.800
Okay, so if a catfish is looking straight at you, uh his return is gonna be bright.
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.880
It almost looks like a bass.
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:02.719
But if I pan left and right of that fish and I see one little spike, I know that that's not a bass.
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.280
I never see a spike on top of a bass, so I don't even throw out that fish anymore.
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.639
Now, if a catfish is swimming left to right, I can immediately tell because it looks fuzzy to me.
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:14.559
And I see that interference line.
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:18.559
Well, it's bounced it offline, so your returns aren't going to be as strong.
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:21.599
So that's how you're able to tell what species it is.
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:33.599
And when I figured out that aspect ratio deal, that was pretty much a game changer for me as far as understanding a forward-facing sonar and how to set your depth distance properly.
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:41.840
And if you look, if you see, if you watch on live, any of these kids got that alpaca-looking haircut with a flat top.
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:43.679
Ropac, rope.
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:44.719
All right.
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.039
And they're fishing shallow water.
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:49.920
I want you to pay attention to the forward-facing sonar screen.
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:54.079
You'll see that they're using like the top eighth of their screen if they're in shallow water.
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:56.880
Well, you're they're utilizing aspect ratio as well.
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:01.840
You're only using the top eighth, top quarter, but everything you need to see is there.
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:06.559
You can see your bait, you can see what you're fishing and what and the size of that fish.
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.280
Who cares if you can't see your whole screen?
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:10.480
You know.
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:16.960
So so to just so your depth is low, you're bringing in your distance.
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:32.079
I understand that the because the problem that I've always had, right, that guys run into, I think, is when you get shallow, if you start dropping it to 15 feet or less, I find that then it just blows out and you can't tell, you know, what a bass looks like.
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:33.280
It all looks big.
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:38.800
You know, you see like a two-pounder and it's it's a five and a half, it looks like a giant fish.
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:49.679
Because because I've lowered my depth but kept my distance out, you're saying you're bringing both of those in to then mimic the same image that you would out.
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.800
Yeah, you have to understand how the technology works too.
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:58.079
So the top beam, at least on an active target, it's actually a lower frequency.
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:06.320
And then as you get to, I want to say, say 45 degrees on down, straight in front of the boat, that's your high frequency beam.
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.079
That's where you get the most definition.
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:16.320
So have you ever seen a fish that out from 95 feet, it looks super big, and as you get closer and closer, it kind of shrinks.
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:18.079
That's what you're seeing.
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.360
So, yeah, um, so keep that in mind.
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:28.400
But like, yeah, if I'm fishing five, I mean, back in April, I took my buddy Cliff out to Sororo.
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:32.559
We caught, I don't know, he thinks we caught over 50.
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.440
I say we caught maybe between 40, 45, or something like that.
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:40.000
That's five went 37 pounds, just mashed them, right?
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:45.599
And I was using forward-facing sonar in two to five feet of water.
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:46.320
Wow.
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:46.800
Yep.
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:51.519
So my distance was only set out to 70, my depth was at 25.
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.840
I'm only using the top, like tiny bit of my screen, maybe an eighth button.
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:58.960
I mean, everything I need to see was in there.
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:08.239
So if you lower your depth, remember, if you keep the distance the same, it's gonna stretch out the back of that fish higher and higher and higher.
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:15.920
So to bring that that his back on down, you have to well change the distance.
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:19.840
If you lower the distance, it starts going like this, right?
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:25.119
And you just gotta find something that works for you in whatever situation that you're fishing in.
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:25.679
Right.
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:26.880
That's juice, man.
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:28.400
Yeah, appreciate you sharing that.
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:30.480
That's super helpful to understand.
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:37.760
Yeah, to like like you know, you know, my my deal is not to set it and forget it's not an easy bake oven.
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:39.440
You're gonna change.
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:40.639
You're gonna need a change.
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:42.480
It's not an easy bake oven.
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:43.119
Yeah.
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.239
The like I use a lot in grass now.
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:59.760
I don't know if you guys do that, but if I go to like the grass, the edge of the grass, I'll sit there and turn my contrast down until the grass starts to look translucent.
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.639
That's when I have the right setting.
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:08.079
So the I can see through the grass, I can see the fish behind the grass sometimes now.
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:09.039
Right?
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:10.480
Wow.
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:17.760
And then if I'm out fishing for floaters, I'll crank that contrast all the way up so I can see my lure at 99 feet.
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:28.960
I mean, I have my settings down to where I can see like a three by a two by three piece of wood floating out there on top of the surface at 95 feet now.
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:32.320
But my stuff is dialed.
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:34.719
I was gonna say, dude, you're locked in.
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:35.599
That's awesome.
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.760
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize, and I know there's a lot of confusion out there.
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:41.679
Heck, I was confused.
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:49.199
I took I took an interest in this, and if you guys know anything about me, once I take an interest in something, man, I I don't let it go.
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.239
You know, the whole thing of say barometric pressure, dude.
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.719
I studied that thing for like 18 years hard.
00:44:54.880 --> 00:45:08.960
Like dude, I listened to some of your old podcasts when I was, I mean, like back in the day, just just eating as I mean was obsessed as obsessed with fishing could be, but you the your barometric pet or barometric pressure stuff was juice.
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:10.719
You I mean you did a great job explaining.
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:12.480
Well, I figured out more stuff.
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:24.480
I literally stopped studying it three years ago now because I felt like I got to the point where I okay, I'm satisfied with the answer I was looking for.
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:30.880
Um, because I was like probably that annoying kid that always asks why, you know, something happens, why did that happen?
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:37.039
And if I can understand the why factor, it gives me a lot of confidence in whatever it is that I'm doing.
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:51.679
I always kind of knew that the bare measure pressure deal was a big thing, and I'll tell you what, every time, because when I'm on these long drives, sometimes I'll just plug in bare measure pressure on YouTube, watch random videos, what other people have to say.
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.800
I can tell you most of it's wrong.
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:58.239
Yeah, so you'll see this.
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:11.199
The most common one is if yeah, I want my bare measure pressure above this number is considered high, and the below this number is good for fishing.
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:15.840
No, it's not because you're you're totally missing how it works.
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:24.559
Barometric pressure is a measurement from basically the the weight of the air onto the surface of the water at sea level.
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.840
Well, that's the furthest different uh distance to the sky.
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:34.960
So let's say the average barometric pressure at least uh sea levels, we'll call it 30 inches in mercury, right?
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:44.800
Well, if you go to clear lake or any other lake that is a higher elevation, the average barometric pressure there might only be 27.
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:51.119
So it never hits that 30 uh mark that people are talking about.
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:53.360
So it's all relative to elevation.
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:58.960
I don't care what the bare measure pressure is, I just want to know when it's going down, right?
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:02.239
That's when the bike windows open, uh opens up for you.
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:10.719
Uh when it's going up, yeah, you're fishing slow, you're fishing methodical, you're fishing where you think the fish should be like on structure and stuff like that.
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.440
But when it's dropping, that's when you can burn a chatterbait down the bank and just try to run into them.
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:19.519
And when you run into them, a lot of them are gonna be chasing and biting, right?
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.159
So that's the biggest thing about the bear mesh pressure deal.
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:31.599
Now, the whole electronics deal, um I noticed that everybody's running a like a lot of my close buddies at the time is running a C Clear harness.
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:35.280
I didn't, and I do all my own rigging us, so I saw the wires, how they're rigged.
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:44.480
I mean, we should have plenty of wire, and but I was getting like these interference lines on my side scan sometimes, like these little white dots interference line.
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:51.440
And I got to talk to Nathan over at C Clear, and he was telling me about like what a ground loop is.
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:52.800
That's the first time I ever heard it.
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:58.000
So I looked into it, studied up on it, and I said, you know what, screw it.
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.199
I'm gonna get a C Clear harness and install it in my boat.
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:08.079
Dude, when I installed that harness, I was like, holy smokes! I mean, my grass cleared way up, wasn't even close.
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:09.920
I immediately I can tell.
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.519
So that's when I was like, Man, why did it do that?
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:26.239
So I took a deep dive, three years looking at this stuff, setting my boat up different ways, and I can tell the difference um each way as well, and this is where the confusion comes in from.
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:31.920
I'm hope, hoping I don't upset anybody I work with um or anybody out there.
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:41.599
But I've had some really credible people that design the equipment, and they're telling me, Ty, that's not how it works.
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:45.840
12 volts is 12 volts as long as it's clean 12 volts.
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:50.719
I'm sitting there like you kind of contradicted yourself, right?
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.119
Because there's clean 12 volts and there's dirty 12 volts.
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.079
How you rig up your electronics totally matters.
00:48:58.320 --> 00:48:58.639
Okay.
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:13.360
Um, I've seen boats rigged up with a fuse box bus bar versus the clean C clear harness that only uses the pulsing clips that that bypasses any potential ground differences.
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:25.360
Um, it's just much clearer using the pulsing clips because you're eliminating what can cause interference when your electronics have different differences in in ground.
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:36.719
Um it might be 0.0001 using like a bus bar or a fuse box between one unit to the next, but I can tell you your unit's gonna pick it up.
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:49.679
And our units are so sensitive, you can get within a hundred and I notice that when I get within 130 feet, 150 feet of another boat, I start getting his interference from his sonars.
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:56.719
So you can't tell me that those little tiny differences, it doesn't matter, it does matter, 100% matters.
00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:06.880
Uh so anyway, I ran a um my last year's boat, I ran a 12 volt lithium, works great for most of the day, like 80% of the day, works great, no issues with it.
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:13.280
But I noticed at the end of the day, I wasn't able to see my bait as good, but I was overlaying voltage.
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:32.320
And if I'm not running around somewhere, I determined the number to be about 12.7, 12.8 volts, is when I start noticing the difference between my ability to see the bait, and you know, the arguments would be oh, well, you got more stuff in the water, you know, later at noon, boats running around.
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:39.920
No, it's very consistent because if I start my day at the same lake, my batteries are fresh, I can see my bait clearance day.
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:45.679
Now I'm pretty aware of pollen, things in the water, current, wind, all that stuff.
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:49.519
Um, basically making it more difficult to see my bait.
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:56.559
So I'm aware of all those changes, but it's something that I constantly see when I set up other people's boats.
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:58.960
I'll give you a perfect example here, two of them.
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:02.880
I was fishing out on my buddy Daniel Eliza's boat at Apache.
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:13.519
We found a minnow bite, and we were fishing artificial habitat, it was around one o'clock, and I had a hard time seeing my lure, so I turned over to Daniel.
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:16.320
I was like, hey man, you have an Asian battery or something?
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:17.840
He's like, No, I got a lithium.
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:18.559
What really?
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:20.480
I made three more casts.
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:22.559
I said, dude, something's wrong with your unit.
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.119
And he has the same thing I have at the target.
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:29.679
So I overlaid his voltage, and sure enough, he was at like 12.4.
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:32.880
So how did I know if 12 volts is just 12 volts?
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:38.400
How did I know that something was wrong with your voltage before I even checked?
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:41.039
There was another gentleman, Scott Holland.
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:43.760
I talked to him a couple weeks ago.
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:51.679
I talked to him on Friday, and anyway, I've been meeting up to meet up with them to adjust his units.
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:56.800
So I told him I was gonna be at Seworo on Sunday, and I was just asking him about his setup.
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:57.679
Do you have a lithium?
00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:59.039
We got an AGM, what do you have?
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:00.559
He told me you had an AGM.
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:06.239
So I told him, like, hey man, running the AGM, it's gonna be flying first two and a half, three hours into the morning.
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:12.480
But after three hours, dude, you're gonna have a hard time seeing your bait because your voltage, you're gonna have so much voltage drop.
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:14.880
A lot of people don't believe me.
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:15.920
Ask Scott.
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:19.840
Basically, everything I described about his setup, what was going to happen.
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:24.239
I ran into him at 10 o'clock at Sorro, jumped in his boat, down in his unit.
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:26.480
I mean, I got that thing dialed.
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:30.880
But the problem is I can only set his distance out to 80 feet.
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:32.800
At 80 feet, you can see your lure.
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:34.239
At 100, you could have.
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.440
I called it out before I even talked to him.
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:48.239
Okay, so anyway, how the equipment's supposed to work, you know, talking to some of these engineers, I think there's something that they don't understand along with me.
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:52.079
I I don't know what's happening, but I do know something consistent.
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:59.760
When I pay attention to the volatiles, there's definitely a correlation to you know how well you can see your bait.
00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:03.440
And remember, I told I said that number 12.7, 12.8.
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:08.000
I saw an advertisement with the guys over at Powerhouse Lithium.
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:12.800
He had an ad, like, you know, you're trying to keep your volatility between 12.7 and 12.8.
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:15.360
So I know those guys know what they're talking about.
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:17.280
Um, they're seeing the same thing I'm seeing.
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:18.880
I've never even talked to them.
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:24.559
Yeah, so anyway, I know uh this isn't a forward-facing sonar.
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:25.840
I don't have the hair for it.
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:27.760
I do have the top.
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:29.199
It's okay, it's okay.
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:30.079
No rope hat, though.
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:30.800
No rope hat.
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:34.239
I was gonna say, wait, dude, that's what we're naming this show.
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:38.480
I don't have the hair for forward facing, but but I can talk about it.
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:40.159
Yeah.
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:52.960
Yeah, I kind of nerd out on the technical side of the fishing stuff, you know, and and yeah, it's uh forward facing sonar, it's it's been uh kind of like a thorn in my butt.
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:58.880
You know, it's like you know, you know, I I don't know, you felt this Adam at the Columbia River?
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.880
When it got really bad around noon, I left uh Casey's pond around noon.
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:06.800
I'm just trimming the motor out a little bit.
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.239
I stay on top of these waves because this be a spear one.
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:14.719
I don't know if I can catch another fish without my forward facing sauna.
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:19.199
Dude, it was Bailey, it was big.
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:20.639
Like, I mean big.
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:39.199
Like I luckily that where we took off was pretty protected, but that's the first day I've ever and like look been on some big water, and I know it wasn't what almost saves you a little bit is the current is is so strong that it makes those waves top out, so they're really tall, but it keeps them tight.
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:44.880
So like they might be four footers, but like you can clear them with a 21-foot boat to get to the next.
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:46.800
But like that's the first time ever.
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:48.480
I I hit it like middle of the day too.
00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:52.880
Like, I didn't go down until it was nasty, so I hit it at the worst time.
00:54:53.039 --> 00:55:00.239
And I'm going and I'm like, you know, like the saxophone music's getting louder, and I'm just like, this shit's getting crazy.
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:15.199
Yeah, and and and I'm just sitting there going, and I'm just like, this might be the day, like seriously, where someone doesn't make it back, like someone gets Coast Guard called or something, like and it and it cleared up and it got better as the day went on, but like it was big.
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:16.480
That was no fun.
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:23.440
Yeah, I I went down a couple waves where I got that roller coaster feeling in my stomach, and it's hard for me to get that.
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:25.519
I've been doing some pretty nasty stuff.
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:32.159
And of course, you turn on the uh the footage from your DJI, and it looks like a calm day out there.
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:35.039
The video never does a good job picking it up.
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.280
So I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna post that.
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:38.480
It's not gonna get views.
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:38.880
Right.
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.360
But you're gonna post it and be like, it was the worst day out there.
00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:43.119
People are like, dude, it doesn't even look bad.
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:44.719
You're just having a you know.
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:49.119
Yeah, that's it's when you get those saltwater offshore guys and they're like, oh, you don't know chop.
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:51.440
It's like that scene from Wolfle Wall Street.
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.119
They're like, you don't know shit about chops.
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:54.000
Yeah.
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:58.719
Well I will tell you the coolest thing that happened out there is saving that osprey, man.
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:00.559
You know, I don't know if you guys saw that video.
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:02.880
I was just fishing, and I saw something.
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:11.039
Yeah, I saw something streaming on the water, and it was like when it like made eye contact with me, it started swimming right for me.
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:13.760
So I'm like, is he really trying to get in my boat?
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:16.880
So um, yeah, I just got a little close.
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:21.440
Well, I just kind of scooted away just to make sure that he was turning towards me.
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:25.599
And yeah, he was asking, he's pretty much asking for help at that point.
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:32.159
And yeah, I I let him get in the boat, help him in the boat, stood there 45 minutes.
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:42.800
I kind of see him kind of you know going back and forth, like you know, shrugging his shoulders, getting ready to take off, and then he jumps right into the water and then starts swimming towards the shoreline.
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:46.159
Well, he swam about 25 feet, makes a U-turn.
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:48.719
He must have said, Ah, hell no, that's too far.
00:56:49.119 --> 00:57:02.400
Get back in, have to help him back in the boat, and it was on my boat for another hour, hour and 15 minutes, and finally I saw him kind of do the same thing, going back and forth, chirping, and swam for it.
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:12.960
So, I mean, hopefully the the little dude made it, but I think um I think he he tried to fly in kind of like my first tournament Okeechobee.
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:15.199
Sometimes you gotta spread your wings to see if you can fly.
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:17.199
In my case, I landed on a rock.
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:22.800
Like Yeah, that was pretty cool.
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:24.000
That was a sick video.
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:27.280
Uh I was totally when I saw it open, I saw it was you that posted it.
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:32.079
I was waiting for you to say something like it was Randy Howell's spirit animal following you around or something.
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:34.719
Dude, your Randy memes.
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:35.760
Oh my god.
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:37.360
I appreciate your comedy, dude.
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:38.320
It cracks me up.
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:44.079
Yeah, it was getting kind of uh tiring like this year.
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:45.920
I guess I wasn't in the mood for it.
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:53.199
Because every time I posted a Randy Howell meme, there's a bunch of people that really don't know what's going on.
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:58.079
And after answering questions for three years, hey, Randy, there's no beef between Randy and I.
00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:00.639
I mean, these people are messaging, right?
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:04.239
And and they think that there's something going on.
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:07.039
Look, I will say Randy's got some raw fans.
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.599
I wish I had some fans like that that got his back.
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:23.840
But Randy's a great guy, we're good friends, and the story behind that was uh I was actually scrolling through social media and I saw a meme about you know, if the cop has this kind of haircut, you are 110% getting a ticket.
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:30.559
So I just changed it over to Randy Howe, posted it, posted great, and then I just started, you know.
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:39.599
Sometimes I just picked a topic and challenged myself how many jokes I can crack up about that topic, and after three years, I still haven't ran out of jokes.
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:42.159
Um you guys should see.
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:43.599
Ask Ken Maw.
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:50.880
Because Ken Maw is my um my PR guy, if you will, whether he likes it or not.
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:53.599
I'll send a lot of memes to him, say, hey, can I post this?
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:54.719
He's like, nope.
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:01.760
Ken Maw's accent, too.
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:02.480
Nope.
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:03.039
Nope.
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:04.480
But you know, I love Ken, man.
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:05.679
You hear the voice.
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:09.360
Yeah, he he's man, he's he's my voice of reason.
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:18.000
Um and yeah, I mean, I met over Randy at La Crosse, we had dinner, and he told him he actually thanked me for all the uh exposure that he was getting.
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:22.079
I mean, him, his whole family loves it, so he's like, Yeah, man, keep going.
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:23.360
I'm like, you sure, Randy?
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:25.760
You have no idea what you're signing up for.
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:31.039
If anybody knows, I'm way better at talking smack than I am at fishing.
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:47.679
Dude, that should have been dude, that would have been a golden opportunity where it's like you guys just meet on the water for like a 1v1 and just like make it the act of hey man, I'm sick of you posting memes about me, and then you just you guys, you know, down from there.
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.519
Yeah, I'll he'll began to do it, man.
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:53.039
I I enjoy like, you know, talking to him sometimes.
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:55.360
And hell, there was a video.
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:57.920
Uh where was he at?
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:01.440
The pat whatever tournament Jason Christie won.
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:03.519
And Laurant sent me a video.
01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:13.679
He actually tagged me in that video, uh, name dropped me in that video because I spent an hour and 15 minutes talking to him, and I was telling him about the aspect ratio deal.
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:22.079
And yeah, help Randy, you know, just so if you guys are not utilizing that, I mean that is such a big one, and that's just my formula.
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:28.880
Depth should be half your distance, and then you can go down a setting or two, but don't go any more than two, right?
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:37.599
So, um, whether you look at it like as a third or a half of your distance, that's that's where you need to be.
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:40.480
Um, and then of course there's other tricks as well.
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:50.400
I mean, I'm running a 16-volt volt tub battery this year, and the reason why I'm running a 16 is my units don't need all 16 volts.
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:55.119
I'm just trying to keep that voltage above 12.7, 12.8.
01:00:55.679 --> 01:01:04.719
And you know, for guys that like I found out a lot of these younger guys out there that are considered forward-facing sonar wizards, know what they're doing.
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:08.960
They're running two 12 volts in parallel.
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:13.840
Has nothing to do with the having enough amp hours at the end of the day.
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:21.440
They're just trying to keep the voltage up above that threshold so they can see their lure and things that they need to.
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:30.719
So I might have uh pissed some people off out there by dropping that info, but of course, you know what helps though?
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:38.559
That social media guy that has that's gonna point out everything wrong with what you're saying, and so that's not how it works.
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:40.639
My AGM power powers up, yeah.
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:42.000
You keep using it, buddy.
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:50.719
You know, uh I mean uh it only helps me that you are, you know, um past learning.
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:54.719
Because and again, on the other hand, I was just like him.
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:57.360
Oh, my AGM is just fine, man, everything works.
01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.679
Uh I'll tell you guys the funniest story.
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:05.360
I was at I think Wachita, Ford Facing Sonar event.
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:10.079
Every all week long, I didn't find them floating until about 10 o'clock.
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:10.559
Okay.
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:13.920
After 10 o'clock, I thought they swam down to the timber or something.
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:15.280
I couldn't find these fish.
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:20.480
But I do remember that my next spot was 20 minutes away, drove 20 minutes, dropped my trolling motor down.
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:22.880
I see them, but I don't only see them for like 20 minutes.
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:25.199
Dude, went on all week, had no idea.
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:35.119
Of course, I just went up shallow, being you know, one of the older guys, throwing the swim bait and stuff, and you know, I caught enough bucks up shallow to keep me up shallow.
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:36.639
So anyway, I screwed up that event.
01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:37.760
Everybody at the house did well.
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:41.920
They scoped all day long and you know, chased floaters all day long.
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:44.480
Uh, I didn't realize what was happening.
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:49.519
At around 10 o'clock, I couldn't see past 70, 80 feet, right?
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:51.679
I could see everything closer.
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:56.320
I remember I couldn't even see my bait when I made a cast past 70 feet.
01:02:56.559 --> 01:03:04.239
But when I ran 20 minutes across the lake, my batteries just got charged enough where when I dropped that trolling motor, I could see for a little bit.
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.079
So that's what happens with AGM.
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:12.480
I mean, that was gosh, three, three, two and a half, three years ago that that event happened.
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:20.800
So that's why I got in the lithium train, and I remember all these guys telling me I need to run into lithium, keep my battery up, C clear harness.
01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:23.119
I thought they were just trying to sell me stuff.
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:28.079
Well they were, but there's some truth to it too.
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:31.360
So let's keep it.
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:37.760
They were, but yeah, yeah, so good stuff, man.
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:39.599
Uh really appreciate the deep dive.
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:44.320
What I love about this show is we never know where something is is gonna go.
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:54.719
Um, and uh, and man, love to love to hear your prowess on the forward-facing uh stuff, and I think some some valuable information for people out there.
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:59.199
Yeah, I didn't realize that I I made a video setting up my system.
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:13.599
I figured out the uh the ping sync thing for all my transducers because the one little sentence I saw, someone said you can enable ping sync between your two active targets and other transducers.
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:17.199
So I was like, and other transducers, let me try to read it up that way.
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:18.239
And went out to the lake, man.
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:24.800
I was tickled to death that I figured out how to ping sync all my transducers so they're all dancing on the same beat.
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:26.639
So I have no interference.
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:48.639
Okay, now if you're gonna do that, I will warn you guys if you are out chasing fish at say Lanier, where it's 200 feet out in the middle, yeah, you're gonna want to turn your down scan, side scan, and 2D off because it's waiting for that signal to bounce all the way down to 200 feet and come back.
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.679
You're gonna have a lot of lag on your forward-facing sonar.
01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:55.840
So when I'm past 30 feet, I just turn it off.
01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:00.559
So it's just something to be aware of, but it does give you a clean image.
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:04.559
If you're gonna set up your boat, definitely recommend that C clear harness.
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:13.280
And while you're at it, you want to make sure the one of the biggest mistakes that I see a lot of people do is their side scan transducer, that's a big one.
01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:21.599
Um, I remember I was sitting at a tournament at Apache Lake just talking to another guy about it, and I was looking at the boats.
01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:26.320
I want to say 90% of them, about 90% of them were installed in properly.
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:35.519
If you look at your transducers, your side can transcan transduce in the back, and it's somewhat leveled with the bottom of your hole, it's wrong.
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:39.679
You want it to be angled up a little bit to compensate for boat lift.
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:44.400
You want that thing as leveled as possible to get the best image, right?
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:53.119
So that's something I figured out just like five years ago, and it makes a 90 day difference when you uh set your stuff up properly.
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:56.480
So, uh, anyway, made a video about my setup.
01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:58.000
People are impressed with how it looked.
01:05:58.079 --> 01:05:59.760
I mean, I was out there just 10 minutes tuning.
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:02.320
My stuff shot the video real quick for Lawrence.
01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:06.800
Little did I know, I signed up to be the West Coast IT guy.
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:10.559
I probably got hundreds of phone calls and messages since then.
01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:15.440
But I've also helped a ton of people set up their units and get their dialogue in.
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:18.239
So anybody got questions, they can reach out to me.
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:20.559
Um, I'll be I'm here to help.
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:22.239
So hell yeah, dude.
01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:22.880
Right on.
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:24.079
Yeah, it's juice.
01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:26.880
Just when you think you know everything.
01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:27.519
Yeah.
01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:29.519
Yeah, there's a lot to know.
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:35.440
I'm there's I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff I don't know, um, but that's the type of person I am.
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:39.920
I I I and I don't want to be past you know, learning.
01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:46.639
There's always something else that you can learn, and that's I guess what's kept my passion for fishing all these years.
01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:52.079
I mean, the uh the whole urchin deal is the most recent one.
01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:58.159
Um, you know, I work with Copper State Taco, they're one of the first taco shops to get those baits in.
01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:04.719
And I remember the owner David was telling me, hey man, you might want to pick up some, they're gonna be hard to find real soon.
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:06.400
So I'll grab four of them.
01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:08.239
I walked around the store three times.
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:09.280
I'm like, what am I doing?
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:10.239
They're 20 bucks a pop.
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:11.199
I threw them back.
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:13.119
Kept living my life, man.
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:15.920
Oh no, little did you know.
01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:29.119
Oh no, he was right, and then yeah, uh, when I got on that train a little late, but when I first got on it, literally caught a seven and a half pounder, my second cast, caught 26 pounds in four hours.
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:30.880
Took my son out.
01:07:31.119 --> 01:07:34.079
Um, I saw three fish swimming out there.
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He missed these fish by 30 feet.
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Well, I assume swim over there and eat it anyway.
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So it was like live bait, man.
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But now it's a lot harder to catch these fish, so you gotta change the size, the color, your presentation, and that's the nice thing about these baits, the urchin baits, because our fish, I'll argue every fish in our lease I've already seen it.
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And I talked to a lot of my East Coast friends, and they're shocked to hear how I'm catching them.
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You know, would you say, let me ask you guys this would you say most of your fish on the urchin style baits are on top of the fish, like a minnow, like a jerk bait, or would you say it's below the fish?
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Top.
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I would say, I would say top.
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I will admittedly tell you guys right now, like I have caught fish on the urchin um even since as early as January, February.
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But like I don't, I'm not dialed in with it.
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Like I catch fish on it and stuff, but like some of these guys that are just so locked in on it are you know, I've caught some letting it, if they're not gonna eat it, I've had it let it fall and eat it on the bottom like a jig.
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Yeah.
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Um, that kind of a thing.
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But I would say most of the time they're still coming up and eating it.
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On top.
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Yeah, that's how it was last summer here.
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I mean, you just gotta get it close.
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It was like the A-rig when they first came out.
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I thought all my fishing problems were over.
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And it got tougher and tougher and tougher, and I would say now I cash probably about 90% of my fish on the bottom with it.
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Really?
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Mm-hmm.
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So like heavyweight dragging it, or you mean just like still popping it and letting it go down?
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No, I'm not even popping it anymore.
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I mean I'm just letting it sink and let them follow it down, and I'm just shaking my slack almost like a Nika rig or and then drag it like a jig.
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So just a heads up for the guys.
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Um, you know, I'm I'm um, you know, telling you throw the big one.
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The uh Yamamoto Uni Max is coming out.
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Um, should be shipping here pretty soon.
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Some of the stories already got it, but like I recommend just throwing the big one.
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I would say it's like throwing a an 8-inch, nine-inch swim bait versus uh the small little unis is like throwing a four-inch swim bait.
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The big one's just gonna have drawing power, and if you got big fish in that lake, it's amazing because I can see them on forward facing sewing.
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If I throw like the uni at some of these fish, they won't even look at it.
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But you pick that big sucker up and throw it, dude, they're like swarming all over it.
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Uh so basically now, unless it's a good day where the bread mesh pressure is lowering, the wind's blowing from the south, you got the storm coming in, don't eat anything on those days.
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But on a stable day, you go out there, you you throw it out there, they'll kind of swim down after it.
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You just drag it on the bottom or shake it.
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Sooner or later, they just pick it up and swim off with it.
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And that's how I catch like 90% of my fish now on it.
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So I'm curious to see if back east, because I think those lakes are a lot bigger, a lot of those fish haven't seen it um just yet.
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So their transition, like of how you catch it on these certain bases, and I'm wondering if it's gonna change.
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And uh, I did talk to Drew Gill about it uh at iCast while we're having a dinner.
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He has something where I mean I just love Drew Gill on how that guy thinks and processes information.
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And he's got me thinking about well, here in Arizona, remember, our water is clear, and I asked him, like, hey man, you think it's gonna be uh around, or you think uh you think these baits are just gonna be uh um you know the next Texas rigged worm or something like that that's gonna be a staple.
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And he said, Well, in clear water, I think, yeah, they're gonna be able to see it.
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Um, they're not gonna eat it as well, but in dirty water, no, he's he still thinks that they're gonna eat it because there's not a signature that comes from these baits, like sound, uh vibration that is is very distinct where they can identify, hey, that's that's not food.
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Every time we feel that or see something like that, um we get jacked.
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So kind of like the jackhammer.
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I mean, I gotta catch him on the stealth blade and the uh mini jackhammer.
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I mean, I got more confidence in the minis gonna do the regular jackhammer now.
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And I think it has to do with the vibration, the type of vibration, right?
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So I'm wondering if the the I asked Drew and he said well in dirty water, he he he thinks they're still gonna eat it.
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So I know the water back east is a lot dirtier, so maybe that's the reason why they're still biting it the way they are back east.
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But uh yeah, I was surprised how big it blew up because I talked to Mark Daniels about it last year.
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Hey, Mark, don't sleep on these baits, man.
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And I thought we were gonna have a year where we kind of keep it under wraps, but man, the blow it blew up blown up.
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Blown up.
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Well, we'll uh we'll wrap this sucker up with this because you let a lot of juice out the bag, uh talking scope stuff.
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But I I can tell you the catching them on bottom is definitely fastly catching my catching them above the fish by rigging, especially like the 17 on a Carolina rig.
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That has been that has been pretty pretty good up here.
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And granted we're talking northern fish, so there's that, but uh it's it's definitely been one that has like those fish that don't want to come up or come up interested and they kind of seen it a bunch above them, that's been a way to to get them to eat.
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You're throwing out a Carolina rig, you're rich.
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A lot of lure sabers.
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A lot of lure savers at the ready.
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That's that's a really good point.
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Like, what?
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Like, think about the the loss.
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That's hilarious.
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Oh, I man, I got a bone to pick too.
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Um with what's happening at tungsten weights.
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I've been trying to like just load up.
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Well I'll say I'm throwing lead weights if that helps.
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Dude, yeah.
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We we're gonna do an overrated show, and I'm gonna literally just talk about how I'm throwing lead all the time.
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But, anyways, dude, I ordered off T Moo for the first time ever and picked up all their tungstens and probably spent$300 something dollars when I got them.
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Dude, they were lead.
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Oh, that's messed up.
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So pissed off.
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So they just lost my business for everything, and I got hustled.
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But for the viewers out there, if you're trying to buy tungsten, do not get them on team.
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Do not hey Ken Ma's cousin ripped me off, man.
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Just give me Ken.
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Oh, that's quote of the show.
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That's gonna be the title.
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Ken Ma's Cousin Ripped Me Off.
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Man, he ripped me off, dude.
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Oh, that's hilarious.
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Anyway, I'll just cut out anything that'll get me fired.
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Dude, uh, this has been a pleasure, man.
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It's been so good to get time with you.
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And uh obviously I in keeping up with Super 60 and watching how Deacon does, I'm always looking for your name.
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And uh man, just keep up with the great work.
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We'll have to get you on here more as a mainstay and just appreciate the time.
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Yeah, man, appreciate it.
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It's been incredible.
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Yeah, like I said, I said Adam's like, man, it's about time you asked, because I was kind of thinking, like, man, when you're doing good, everybody wants to taught you, but man, when you're having an okay or so soul, not so good, see, dude, nobody wants to be your friend.
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So it's so true.
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You find out you find out quick your buddies in the like your true buddies in the tournament world when like you have that bad, you know, everyone texts you when you're having a good tournament, but those buddies, when you like they look and you're like, oh man, like sorry to hear about it, brother.
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Like, it's just fishing.
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You got on the next one.
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Like, you those people that reach out when you're having a bad tournament, I appreciate those people.
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Well, it's it also sucks knowing a lot of people too or being known because everybody's asking, How'd you do?
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I suck.
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Oh, how'd you do?
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I suck.
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And by the time you repeat it for 60 times you go back to your place, you're like, Yeah, maybe I do suck.
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You start copying, start believing yourself.
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Yeah.
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Well, hey, man, my pleasure, guys.
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Uh, hopefully I'll get to join you guys uh in the near future.
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And uh yeah, man.
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Anyway, we'll see you guys around, man.
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I'll see you, Adam.
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Thank you so much, man.
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Yeah, brother.
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We'll see you soon.
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All right, later.
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Thanks for coming on.
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No problem.
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All right, guys, and that's gonna do it for today's episode.
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Appreciate you guys taking time out of your day to listen to this one.
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It was already a very long episode, so I'll keep the outro short.
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But uh awesome.
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Some of the things that Ty was mentioning from the aspect ratio of talking about scope to debates that have served him well all around the country and how he's put those things together to try to be efficient on the water, whether he's fun fishing or tournament fishing, some great perspective.
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So, that if you guys have any questions, any topics, any guests that you'd like to see on the show, comment down below.
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Comment on Spotify, let us know in social media.
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Uh, appreciate y'all for taking time out of your day.
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And we'll see y'all on the next one.
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All right.
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Welcome everyone to the Sears Angler Podcast and welcome to another edition of the Sear C Western segment here.
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And uh today's episode, we have an awesome one for you guys.
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We do not have a formal intro outro uh because simply Deacon and I did not have the time to put it together, but we are joined today by Mr.
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Ty O to talk about a bunch of stuff, but he really dives into how to adjust your live scope settings, some of the intricacies of the baits that he's learned out east and now fishing on the west coast, the similarities, the differences, and the things that he's found to be productive and efficient on both East Coast and the West Coast.
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Two gigabytes.
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So we're gonna keep this intro short.
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Uh Deacon and I have both got very busy uh this past week.
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We were able to get a bunch of episodes done, so we're gonna have a bunch of episodes for you guys coming soon.
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Excuse me.
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As I am actually right now, as you're listening to this episode, I'm on the water in Wisconsin for the last regular season Bassmaster Kack series event.
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Deacon's been on the road heavy for work.
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Things are slowly starting to die down for us.
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We have one last little stretch here that's gonna be pretty busy.
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So we might not have much up-to-date news for you guys in our intros, uh, but we will have episodes for you guys coming forward where um kind of uh on not really on purpose here, but had almost like a western couple weeks where obviously we have Ty O from this episode, we have Matthew Brannan from the California on the next episode.
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Uh we have John Murray next week, in addition to a real biology episode on Monday that is in from Oklahoma.
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So we have a bunch of stuff coming your guys' way.
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But uh we'll be having Justin Lucas here on the show soon.
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We got a bunch of stuff lined up for you guys, so uh no shortage of shows coming your way.
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But without further ado, let's get into today's episode with Mr.
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Ty Ow.
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All right, folks.
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So we're with uh the man, the myth, the legend, Mr.
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Ty O.
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And uh Ty, dude, it's good uh good to get you back on here, bro.
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Yeah, it's been a while.
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I think it was the last time I was on with you guys is back in 2020 before uh left to do the tour.
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No way, yeah.
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Wasn't that was it I thought did we do one show when you when you were coming back to fish west?
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Maybe we did, maybe.
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I don't think so.
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I think it was back in 2020, if I recall correctly, because that was a scary time in my life.
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I had uh quit my job, mortgaged the house, started a business from scratch, and I got the uh a taste of what it was like truly fishing for a living.
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And uh it's stressful, it's not like what you guys think, not what I thought.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Either way, it's it's good getting you on here.
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And then that is that's one thing when Deke and I are going scheduling shows, we're like, who haven't we had on?
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Because we love to get a mix of like recurring guests, but also like new people.
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We're like, man, we're almost 650 episodes into this.
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Who haven't we had on yet at this point?
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Uh but it's it's it's cool, bro, and it's cool to see you know reflect from back then to to now and seeing where you're at, and obviously, you know, competing against Deegan out on the West Coast.
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And we just went through a whole deep dive that we're trying to we'll get back to here in the show when talking about Southwest region stuff.
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But um I know we want to talk about what 2026 has been like for you, dude.
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Uh I mean I'll just keep it real with you guys.
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Like, I I'm not good at putting up a front or anything like that.
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2026 has been really weird for me, you know, especially after all the stuff that went down late last year and dealing with, you know, the course of public opinion, what really happened, knowing the truth, and it was just a hard pill to swallow because I know what it took for me to get out there, and it took a lot.
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I mean, six months of my life in two years, 134,000 just to have it go down the way it did, um, it still stings to this very day.
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Uh so at that time, I you know, I didn't know how things were gonna shake out last November, but I just knew that I need to keep moving.
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And the best move on the chessboard was to come back out west.
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You know, uh people don't realize that what beh what happens behind closed doors, you know, going back and forth, you know, three hours ahead in Florida coming back.
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I mean, I didn't get sleep for five years.
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I mean, literally when I got back, man, I was waking up at one o'clock in the morning, couldn't go back to sleep.
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A week later, I'll get up at 2.30 and then essentially 3.30, and then it starts all over again.
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So that went on for five years.
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Uh basically I recovered during the off-season, but during the off-seasons, even more stressed out.
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I'm even more stressed out than you know, in the middle of the season because they're trying to put together the deals, uh, trying to get put together the sponsorships, your plans for the following year.
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So uh man, I can't say I had a good I've had a good, like, stress-free Christmas in the last five, six years.
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Let's just put it that way.
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But um, you know, that's that's just the nature of it.
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You strap down, knuckle down, get to work, and um I wasn't gonna let anything stop, or at least I thought I wasn't gonna let anything anything stop in my head.
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It wasn't a matter of if uh I was ever gonna get there, it was just a matter of when.
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And I really thought that that was things were lining up for me finally.
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And when that went down, man, I mean, just oh, I still I still struggle with it every single day since it happened.
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Dang, bro.
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Yeah, yeah, man.
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Well, I can't, I can't only I can only imagine any of that stuff.
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I've done a little bit of travel from the west back east, fishing opens and Toyota series and things, and like you're you're dead on, man.
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It is such such a grind.
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Um, I am I am happy in the West.
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I love the West.
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Um, I love like we talked about the landscapes are really important to me.
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I just am so impressed with our our fisheries and the and the beauty.
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Uh I'm the biggest component of the West, or I'm the biggest uh cheerleader of the West.
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Uh I try try to be with our show anyway to push the stuff.
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But how is how has that transition been?
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Um sounds like things have still been tough and and just wrestling with all of that, but you know, coming west, fishing both the super 60 and the one bass stuff.
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What is uh what has that transition been like for you?
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Are you you know um how's how's the season been, number one?
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And then just like personally, business, all that, how has that shifted being back west?
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Um a lot of it's good, some of it's bad.
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Uh I think the worst part, you know how like they say fishing's a mental game?
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Well, I'm dealing with a different type of mental game.
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At the beginning of the season, I'll be honest with you guys, I didn't know if I wanted to be out there.
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You know, I just I didn't know it was the time to walk away, and I just found that I didn't have the same level of motivation.
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But once I'm out there, you know, it I mean, I still love fishing, don't get me wrong.
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Once I'm out there, I want to compete, and I get really upset when I don't do well.
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So it kind of reconfirms that I still have that drive, that competition um part of me that is really important to um, you know, to go fish competitively.
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If I didn't have that, I think it would be time to walk away.
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But uh the transition fishing-wise, man, a lot of the things that I've learned back east really helped me out west, like understanding forward-facing sonar.
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I've said this before.
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I think the guys out west are about a couple years behind the guys back east when it comes to forward-facing sonar.
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I mean, those guys back east, nothing but respectful, they are so freaking good at it.
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I mean, I've learned a lot, everything from setting up my equipment, what batteries to run, why power matters, running clean power, um, how to utilize or side scan, down scan, forward-facing sonar, all these little hacks that I've learned back east.
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Because if you didn't learn that, man, you're getting left behind, like big time.
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So going out west, um, for me, it's just trying to, I guess, put away some of the stuff back east that didn't work, you know.
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Um, I I c I called it tournament lag when in 2022 I fished the Toyota series out west and the Pro Circuit back east.
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And I remember struggling because I'm throwing a color like red bug.
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Dude, I didn't even know what red bug was before going back east.
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So I'm taking that color, throwing it over here.
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It's like, man, I'm not getting bit.
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I'll switch back over to green pumpkin and get bit.
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So I call it tournament lag.
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So it's just relearning how some of the lakes fish, what colors are popular there.
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I mean, for the most part, I know it.
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It's just I have I struggle because I got so much confidence in a variety of baits, but I just need to go back to the basics sometimes.
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Um, some of the lakes here, like I haven't been a brownle.
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I mean, that was one.
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Uh uh, I just went fishing, wondering why I didn't see anybody all day.
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And then again, I think I caught 12 fish over cast conditions, knowing that smallmouth don't maybe don't bite in overcast conditions.
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Came in, looked at the results.
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I was like, holy smokes, man.
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I'm like in the bottom 10%.
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Everybody smashed them.
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So the next day I ran all the way, I guess it would be downriver.
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Um, wait, it would be, yeah, downriver.
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And I'm like, oh, this is how everybody's catching.
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They're all over the place there.
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But that was a neat fishery.
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I've never been there, so I was looking forward to that one.
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The Columbia River was a heartbreaker for me because I did well the first day, sitting in the 11th.
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Um, it was, as you guys know, it was windy as heck.
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I couldn't really stay on my spots, smallmouth fishing.
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Went largemouth fishing, caught a four-pounder first fish I caught in there back at Casey's Pond.
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I'm like, oh boy, we're gonna have a good bag today.
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Well, caught a limit.
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Left there around noon, and I left with two one and a half pound fish.
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Okay.
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And remember, the first day I caught 15 smallmouths over two pounds.
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Well, in three hours, man, I never caught another two-pound smallmouth and I missed a cut by half a pound, or missed a check by half a pound.
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So it's frustrating in that way.
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Um, going back to the California Delta, man, I started off with a nine-pounder the first day in the BAM Delta event.
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Yeah, set myself up for a pretty good day.
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My co-angler was super cool, so I want to hook him up.
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That tournament, man.
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Um, I wasn't casting at two pounders.
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So every time I saw a two-pounder on the band, I'm like, dude, cast at him.
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I'll wait for a few minutes for ya.
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I let him cast at at least 22-pound fish.
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Well, to end the day, I came in with two one and a half pounders of six masters, but I was sitting pretty good, right?
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Second day I go out there, stuck like an 8-6, uh, another decent fish, had three one and a half pounders.
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And I want to run up to whites, I haven't checked those fish yet.
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The first fish I cruised up to wasn't locked.
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The second fish, because the overcast on my graph, I couldn't really see where my waypoint was.
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I was zoomed out just enough where I'm oh crap, I'm right on top of the fish.
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I put my poles down.
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It was already too late at that time.
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Lifted up my poles, went up as soon as I passed the fish.
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My co-angler casted to him, caught it, and it was almost a four-pounder.
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Well, I missed the top 10 cut by half a pound.
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And I had three one and a half pounders.
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So if I would have just caught one more two-pounder, I would have, you know, made the top ten cut there.
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I would have cashed a nice check at the Columbia River event.
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So it's it's fuzgrading, but hey, I've been doing this long enough to know that that's fishing.
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Sometimes that's gonna happen.
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Um, you know, some I I mean, look, it's fishing.
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You need to get lucky, but you also need to have skill to capitalize on the luck.
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It was just a luck factor, whether it's good luck, bad luck, it is what it is.
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Um, you know, I'm having a lot of fun fishing out west.
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I think the fishing out here is a lot better.
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And it's funny because driving the what the Columbia River is my furthest drive of the year.
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I'll be honest with you, I felt like a walk in the park.
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So it's so easy.
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Yeah.
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You're like, this is a nice, easy.
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I can do this in two days?
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Nice.
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No, I can do it in a I can do it in a day.
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I think uh I've driven well, I've driven 21 hours before, straight, but I think my limit's about 18 to be eight, 19, 19 to be safe.
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But I can do the Columbia River one shot if I wanted to.
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But it felt easy because what New York would be the equivalent of me going up to the Columbia River, making a U-turn, driving back, making a U-turn driving halfway.
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I mean, that's what it's like driving to New York Champlain.
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Gosh dang.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy, man.
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Yeah, crazy.
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That's what they say, dude.
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Part-time fisherman, full-time truck driver.
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Yeah, man.
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It's um I don't get me wrong, I I get what people say when like, man, that's a crazy drive because I used to be that guy.
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My brother started fishing regional level events before I did, and I thought he was it was crazy for him to drive 13 hours.
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I'm like, dude, you're driving 13 hours to go bass fishing.
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And then a couple years later, I joined him.
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And I remember that first, the first time I drove 13 hours, man, it took forever.
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And I remember leaving, I got like, I felt like a little bit of anxiety, you know, because it's like, oh my gosh, we gotta drive 13 hours back.
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And then you drive to Clear Lake is 15 hours, and then Shasta 17 hours, Timber River, what, 20 hours, and then you drive back east, go to Alabama is 26, 27 hours.
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So that 21-hour drive doesn't feel bad.
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The Delta 13 hours doesn't feel bad.
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So it's all perspective, man.
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Uh, but yeah, I enjoy out being out there on the road and just kind of clearing my head.
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You know, I work from home outside of uh fishing, I work from home, run an insurance brokerage right out of my office, out of my house.
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So I look forward to getting on the road and just clearing my head.
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Yeah.
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It's funny that perspective, because I got a lot of buddies out of the Carolinas and Tennessee area, and they obviously fish the national stuff, and usually it's you know, Texas and East is where all the events are.
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Uh they're like, dang, dude, you drive 16, 18 hours to an event.
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And I'm sitting there on the phone with one of them the other day, and I'm like clocking out Wisconsin's our next one.
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I'm like, oh yeah, it's only 10 hours for this one.
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It's not bad at all.
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That's a quick drive.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, back in the day.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, back in the day, I remember driving two and a half hours to Roosevelt seemed like forever.
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But now, right after the tournament, I just boogie on home.
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Like at the Columbia River, I left right after the tournament, drove to 10 15, woke up at 1 30, and got home like at 2 30 in the P PM or something like that.
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So I slept like three hours and I was fine.
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Road dogging, dude.
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Yeah, I mean, that's the thing that I think people too maybe don't realize as much.
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Obviously, the the push from west to east is such a big landscape.
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That's massive.
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But also just our western lakes, like we have such a big land mass, so it's spread out.
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Like if you live in like Tennessee or North Carolina, like your your region, you know, is pretty small.
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But like, yeah, like you're saying, I mean, uh, just Bailey, your same point.
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If it's under a 12-hour drive, I'm pumped.
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Like, yes, I see this is a good one.
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Let's go.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No, and that's what I mean.
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Like, like seeing somebody going and traveling back east and being the guy actually doing it, two different things.
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Because you're seeing it, you already have an idea that it's bad, but you're not accounting that I'm driving a truck at that time, my first two years.
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I'm driving a truck with 370 something thousand miles.
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I didn't know what was gonna break down, stuff going wrong all the time.
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The mental toll that it takes on you just to kind of keep it together and keep it going, and then you know, more often than not, things don't work out there at the tournament, so you just try to scratch that off and move on to the next, or trying to learn these different fisheries.
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And it was tough.
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I knew that my learning curve was just going to be slower because I live out west.
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I was okay with it, never complained about it, but I just knew it is what it is.
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Uh, there's guys out here like Brent Ayler that look up to um Brett Height that have done it from living from the West, and I was just hoping to be one of those guys as well.
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So I don't know, it's it's it's kind of weird because um it wasn't until iCast.
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I'm glad I went to ICAST this year.
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And to be honest with you guys, the first day was really uncomfortable for me being at just iCast, you know, because I knew that was that guy, and I mean my suspicions were confirmed when you know I'm sitting around talking to guys, and after five minutes, a guy that I don't even know comes up, hey man, I think SBS will happen to you, and just want to let you know that happened all week long.
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So uh, but it kind of lit a fire because there's a part of me that I don't think I'm done.
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There's more things I want to do back east, and um, hey, there's there's more than one Mount Everest, you know, which is the Bass Pro Tour.
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Talk to those guys at Major League Fishing and had a great time fishing um with major league fishing.
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So I'm gonna see if it's possible if I can fish both tours, the uh pro circuit and the super 60.
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So that's what I'm kind of shooting for next year, but I gotta sit down, really look at the schedules, talk with my partners, and just see if I can go do it.
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Heck yeah, dude.
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Dude, that's cool, man.
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Glad to hear that.
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Yeah, I uh I like the mindset there, and I I think it's really cool the guys swinging both, right?
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I mean, you got kind of Bryant Smith-ish, these guys running either two boats or they're flying and going back and forth across the country fishing both east and west.
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Um, so I'd love to see you do that and make that happen.
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Be a cool deal.
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Yeah, again, it's just man, I felt like I was starting to understand some of those fisheries.
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My biggest nemesis are fishing for smallmouth up in New York, that region, and struggled the first like three times I was there and started cashing checks.
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Uh, Tennessee River is like my biggest nemesis.
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It seems like every time I go there, I'll find them good in practice and then they disappear, and I don't know where they went.
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Um, that's the Tennessee River and then Florida.
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You know, the Florida fish in Florida, they don't give a damn what you know about bass fishing.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Be pretty accurate description.
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Yeah, an entity as you're yeah.
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I mean, they got a bass named Florida bass.
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You know, I'll give you a perfect example of what I'm talking about here.
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When I went out there, you know, doing research and talking to people, they tell you, hey man, make sure you throw that um speed worm.
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And I remember thinking, you want me to crank a worm?
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No, you guys can have it, man.
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I'm not doing that.
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So after three times of getting your teeth kicked in down there, you're like, let me try it.
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The first time I tried it, it caught 25 pounds on it.
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So now it's a part of the arsenal.
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I don't know why they eat it, but that's the only state I throw it in.
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Yep.
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You know, sounds about right.
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Yeah.
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Dude, talking about the bait stuff, you mentioned earlier with the West, like getting back to basic stuff.
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What's been kind of like your three mainstays for getting back to the basics this year when it comes to like technique stuff?
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Well, the first and foremost, it's hard to ignore you know what the bait I built my career on.
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Just a green pumpkin, five-inch senko.
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I've been been fishing a lot of tournaments out here at Lake Pleasant, the night fishing tournaments.
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I'm still throwing that thing.
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I'm catching about 90% of my fish that'll weigh in on a five-inch green pumpkin senko.
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You know, I'll catch small mouth, largemouth, post-spawn, summer fit, summertime fish on the ledges.
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Um, and again, that's my number one go to.
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If I need a limit, that's the bait I'm throwing.
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Uh, secondly, it's just, you know, a drop shot, morning dawn, or any of those variations of oxblood.
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Uh, it's hard to beat a rubber worm out west.
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And then, you know, the third thing is probably well, just the thing I picked up back east is throwing a minnow.
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Because I don't think a lot of guys really throw it as much and utilize it as much out west as they do back east.
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What do you think, Adam?
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Am I am I right on that?
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Man, here's my here's my take on the on the east to west thing.
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Because I've I've experienced at a smaller degree, um, east to west, but like I feel like whatever happens east, we are two years-ish behind.
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And so I think guys are now picking up on the minnow, right?
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Like, it's been a mainstay for me this year, flat out, right?
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Like, I've thrown a minnow a ton.
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Anytime I'm in smallmouth country, I'm I'm zipping a minnow around.
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Um, so like I think that I think that you're you're you're spot on as far as like it's behind.
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I would say less guys do it, but I would say at the super 60 level, so so last year was my First year of fishing the Super 60.
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And immediately I noticed like going from local tournaments or you know, even pro amps.
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Like I noticed like first thing I was like, oh, there's a lot more guys out here, right?
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Like, there's a lot more guys out.
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I'm like, guys, guys have figured out you know the forward facing better than where it's been, but I agree it's still behind what what we're seeing on the east.
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But I'd say the minnow's coming around, but it's it's still a little bit lacking.
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So the fish are dumb.
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You said the east is behind.
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I think um the east is ahead on the minnow.
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No, that's what I meant.
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Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
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Uh yeah, east is ahead.
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West is behind.
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Yes, yeah.
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So it was funny back in the day, the West used to be ahead on right, eco rigs and drop shot and those little techniques.
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But now with I think with social media, YouTube, just you know, these kids.
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I mean, I was thinking about this the other day.
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I remember when I was like, you know, a teenager and all the way up to my mid to late 20s.
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I had all the time in the world to get on YouTube, watch videos, just soak up as much information as possible.
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I rarely get to do that anymore.
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I mean, it's always something business related, you know, for the you know, the kids having an event that I gotta be at, basically uh adulting, right?
00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:24.480
We just don't have time for it.
00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:37.039
And I rarely get to sit down and just scour the internet watching YouTube videos and uh these kids that you know are fortunate enough not to have that responsibility yet.
00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:39.440
I mean, they're just learning so much faster than we are.
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:57.920
I think there's another caveat too is that a lot of your your new technique, Japanese influence, they're just flying straight to the southeast because that's where the hotbeds are and your route to the big leagues like Fastmaster MLF, and you see guys starting to connect with those folks.
00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:08.400
Like I I know a great example like Jake Maddox is closer than Kenta Kamura and kind of can get in on the ins and outs of what's you know what's on the horizon, what sneaky stuff there is.
00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:19.119
Um you see that happen like the Rob G's and stuff of the world, they're kind of connecting with these guys and they're kind of getting in on the scoop before the rest of the country does and adds to it.
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:27.440
Uh Kenta and I, we were um, you know, we're both a part of the Bass Cat team, but we were both running that champion 203.
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:32.880
Funny thing is, I never really taught to him out there when I first saw him because I didn't know he spoke English.
00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:40.480
And one day he creases up to me and just talking, hey man, you know, what's the top speed you're getting out of that boat for Mercury?
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:44.480
Because he runs the Yamaha, so we got to talk in and became friends after that.
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:49.119
I remember like going over to his boat, checking out the stuff he had just on his deck.
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:51.839
I was like, man, there's some swim baits, some stuff.
00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.640
I mean, just electronics, how everything's set up.
00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:56.559
I mean, it's sneaky stuff.
00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:57.759
It was pretty cool.
00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:02.960
So, you know, I'm sure the fishing in Japan is a lot different than the US.
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:06.160
And, you know, just kind of like the urchin that came out.
00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:10.000
I mean, I can't believe that thing's been around since two, what, 2005?
00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:11.599
Yeah, 20 plus years.
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:20.640
Picked up over here, and yeah, I mean, you can't find a tournament angler that doesn't at least have a few or is looking for some.
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:24.559
Dude, at the at the Columbia River, um, awesome tackle shop.
00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:25.920
Three, is it three?
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:28.960
What's what's the name of that tackle shop tie that we were we were at?
00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:29.519
Oh man.
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:30.400
For a meeting.
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:32.240
Three three rivers, is that right?
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:33.200
I think it is, yeah.
00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:33.680
I think you're right.
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:34.640
Something rivers.
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:37.519
Anyways, those dudes, it's super cool.
00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:47.440
For all Super 60 guys, we were limited, but you could you could buy Koikis, uh, a 17 and a and a full cast.
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:49.599
You're limited to one of one of each.
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.480
Um, so you but like that was that was a neat deal.
00:25:52.640 --> 00:26:00.559
I was like, dang, these guys, those do that's a sneaky tackle shop that you wouldn't expect in Washington that has some awesome stuff and a great online presence too.
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:13.839
Yeah, I was I was going through whoever runs that store does a really good job because they got a lot of good stuff that I think your uh weekend angler, I would say, wouldn't know about.
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:16.400
And I was I was really impressed by the selection.
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:20.160
They really know what's up, and uh they treated us real well there.
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:25.039
But how many of those baits do you think ended up on eBay?
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:26.640
It's a good question, man.
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.559
To tell you what, mine are in my box, but I I wouldn't be surprised.
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:31.519
You're you're not wrong.
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:32.000
Yeah.
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:34.559
But it got hustled some sort of way.
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:35.680
Yeah, yeah.
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:36.160
Yeah.
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:42.240
I refuse to do it because man, I I got this bone to pick with bait flippers, man.
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:44.480
Just just leave it up to the fisherman to fish, man.
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.200
Why do you why are you making everybody's life so hard?
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:53.279
Yeah, you know, because you know they're buying up all the inventory and then just posting on eBay.
00:26:53.359 --> 00:27:00.400
I mean, I remember just what not long ago, I was watching the frog hook, the troll car frog hook.
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:02.160
It was a hundred dollars a pack.
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.000
I'm like, what are you guys doing, man?
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:05.839
Yeah, you know, it's crazy.
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:08.960
Yeah, yeah, that was that was wild.
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:10.880
Yeah.
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:11.599
Yeah.
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:16.160
So anyway, um, yeah, the you guys want to talk about the summertime fishing here in Arizona?
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:17.920
Yeah, let's dive into that, man.
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:18.240
Yes.
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:19.359
What does that look like?
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:21.839
I mean, first of all, how do you stay alive?
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:23.440
Like it's August, man.
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:25.759
I'll tell you exactly how we stay alive.
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:37.200
You either fish late in the evening and fish at night, or you get up super early and get to the lake right at the right at you know, sun up.
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:44.559
You launch your boat, fish, and try to get off the water by 10, 11 at the latest before the crazies show up.
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:52.240
I mean, the wake boaters here, man, they got you doing caperdicts, you know, just constantly throughout the day if you don't get off early and it's super hot.
00:27:52.319 --> 00:28:00.319
So you can either jump in, deal with those guys, hide in a pocket, but those fish don't exactly set up in the back of a cove this time of year.
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.960
They're basically on main lake stuff, points, humps, structure out there.
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:14.559
Um, if you don't have good electronics, my tip is just go fish bluff walls here, either from your boat to the bluff wall.
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:20.319
Just throw a drop shot at the wall or a spoon or whatever you want to throw, they're gonna be right there.
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:23.200
And you'll have a lot of you'll catch a lot of fish doing that.
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:32.240
So our best lake right now for like quality, okay, would be Roosevelt, without a doubt.
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:36.079
I mean, there's so many 10 plus pound fish weighed in this year.
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:47.519
Um, and you know, my brother just caught a 10-pounder to win at an event a month ago, and you know, that Roosevelt reminds me a lot like ledge fishing.
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:51.119
Okay, the water's going down there and they got a lot of ledges out there.
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:57.359
So if you just go use their electronics, I happen to have a little rant, just go graph and you'll see schools of fish.
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.640
Um, ideally, you want to see them right on top of the ledge.
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:08.400
And you know, they got uh, I guess you guys call them uh um ditches.
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:20.160
You know, if you graph a ditch kind of going on on a flap, a lot of times they'll corral bait fish or their uh gizzard shad, they'll be feeding and schooling up in those areas as well.
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:24.720
But yeah, you just go, if you don't have electronics, just go fish points, you know.
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.279
Um, and sometimes it's a timing deal.
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.759
You'll cruise up on the point, get healthy real quick.
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:40.160
The baits that were throwing out there, anything from a drop shot, tennis, worms, you got any of those urchin baits, big magnum spoons, jigs, carolina rigs.
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:41.039
I mean, they all work.
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:49.680
Just think ledge fishing back east and apply everything you know about ledge fishing to Lake Roosevelt, you'll do fine this time of year.
00:29:49.920 --> 00:30:01.839
Um the lakes below that, which is Apache Canyon Swirl, you probably see a lot of big fish caught at those lakes on social media.
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:10.480
Uh, the nice thing about those lakes is the water comes in from Roosevelt, and those lakes are fairly stable, so they don't really go down or up much.
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:14.720
I think the variation is probably six, seven feet at the most.
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:21.279
And uh yeah, you just go fish all the points, the humps, the artificial habitats, you can throw a minnow.
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:27.359
Um, and those fish, man, they are so big.
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:29.440
Well, let me back up a second.
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:37.920
We had a golden algae fish kill back in, I want to say 2014, if I remember correctly.
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:43.839
And there's a uh group of anglers here, United Anglers, I think.
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:47.920
They stopped that place with F1, F1 Bass.
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:52.960
And when they, I mean, it did not take them long to establish there.
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:59.759
And let's just say our fishing was so good at Saworo, social media careers were made overnight.
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.319
I mean, you can go out there and throw a bubblegum catch, you know, seven pounders.
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.319
Uh let's to give you an idea how good it was.
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:12.160
I took my boss at the time, his daughter that's never fished.
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:17.599
Um I think she caught two seven-pounders and like six, five pounders that day.
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.759
And my boss caught an eight-pounder that day, just throwing Yamamoto St.
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.119
Those wacky rigging.
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.559
Uh those fish are a lot smarter now, though.
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.559
And they're harder to catch, but you hit it up on the right day.
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:38.160
I mean, I I don't know any other late that I can go out there and catch maybe a 20 to 24 pound bag.
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.920
If you call me, I'm gonna tell you I have a I had a horrible day.
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:42.559
Wow.
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.039
Because we're shooting for 30 pounds here now.
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:46.160
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:47.200
That's freaking awesome.
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:51.359
Do you think Arizona's the most underrated big bass state in the country right now?
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:52.559
You know, I do.
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:53.519
I really do.
00:31:54.240 --> 00:32:02.559
I was I was talking to a buddy about that not long ago, and you know, heck, I didn't know neither how good the fishing is here until I traveled the country.
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:11.599
And I mean, you know, with the salt river chain, especially Roosevelt, because Roosevelt had gone all the way.
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:16.400
I mean, it was up high, so you got the two rivers that flow in, the Tonal and the Salt.
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.279
I mean, they had so many places that they can hide.
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:27.039
And now that the water is lower, it you know, those fish kind of got pushed out of the river, and we're finding them on the main lake right now.
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.839
And the I'll give you an example.
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:42.400
Two years ago, I fished a tournament with my buddy uh calm Doc David, cruised up to a point, and I saw like a massive school just suspending off the point.
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:52.880
I didn't think that they were bass because the school is so big, but I also didn't think they were corp neither, because usually, if they're a school carp, we throw out there, they'll kind of spook off.
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:54.160
These fish didn't spook off.
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.319
I was like, maybe they're catfish.
00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:01.920
And well, they didn't look fuzzy on my grass because you know I I dial my stuff in pretty hot.
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:10.559
I can see the interference line on a catfish and see the fuzziness coming from the returns because I'm bouncing off slime, right?
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:12.319
So I'm like, that's weird.
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.079
They look like bass, but that's way too big of a school to be bass.
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:21.759
Well, I notice that every time we got into a flurry is when that school pushed up close to the point.
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:27.599
We caught 29 pounds that day to win the tournament, but we only caught like I think nine fish that day.
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.440
Well, later on I found out that that was bass.
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:41.759
I was sitting on a school of five to seven hundred fish that I would estimate to be five to eleven pounds, had no idea.
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:47.839
Um, but yeah, that's I mean, that's how big some of the schools are if you hit the right area at the right time.
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:53.759
And my buddy TJ signed up for a tournament that very same day.
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.759
I think he went out there and caught like 38 pounds on that school.
00:33:58.079 --> 00:33:59.200
Wow, yeah.
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:09.039
So if you uh if you want a shot at winning an event at Roosevelt during the summer, usually you're gonna need over 30 pounds now, which is crazy.
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:16.719
Because back then, 20 like just four years ago, it'd be just 20 pounds, 25 pounds, and you're probably gonna win.
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:25.199
But now it's gonna take the upper 20s to mid-30s and an occasional almost 40 pound bag to win there.
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:27.599
Holy smokes! Are we talking numbers too?
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:29.440
Like you are you running numbers of lights?
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:34.880
Yeah, you get fish all over the spectrum there, a bunch of 12-inchers, 15-inchers.
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:42.960
Um, for some I haven't caught uh got in on the three pounders much this time of year.
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:47.119
It's either going to be like a two and a half or a five plus there right now.
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:52.159
Uh, but I can tell you two years ago, I got on a really good flip bite up the river.
00:34:52.800 --> 00:35:08.639
We had 26 pounds, 21, 22 pounds, got second place three times in a row, but each one of those days I threw back multiple 17-pound bags, and 17 would have got you third or fourth at each one of those events.
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:15.039
And I was flipping with Ford Facing Sonic when I figured that you can actually flip with that thing, you know.
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.440
So I was going around flipping at these trees.
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:25.360
I'll see the fish right underneath the uh log that you couldn't see with your vis your your eyes, but you can see it on my my active target.
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:29.679
So I was just flipping to these fish and targeting fish that no one else fished for.
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:30.800
It was like super fun.
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:33.199
Wait, walk walk me through that a little bit.
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.880
I am I'm not super good shallow with forward facing.
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:37.280
Uh-huh.
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:43.840
Like, are you are you still running your depth pretty pretty uh high?
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.559
Like, how do you how do you set up to do that differently?
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:47.280
All right.
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:57.840
So with the depth and distance all relative to what you're doing, and whatever I'm doing, keep this thing in mind, which I call it aspect ratio.
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:05.599
Okay, so the biggest mistake that I see a lot of guys do out there, they want to utilize their whole screen.
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:14.880
They maybe in the morning they're fishing 25 feet of water, the distance at 100, they set their depth to their auto depth might jump to 35, 40.
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:16.400
You're you're okay.
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:24.559
But when you go cruise up shallow to like eight feet of water, your screen's gonna automatically adjust to 10 to 15 depth.
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:29.199
Well, if your distance is at a hundred, well, everything's gonna be stretched out.
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:33.199
That fish is gonna be stretched out so much that you don't know what that fish is.
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:41.920
Better explain, I set my depth and distance so that a fish looks like a quarter, a nickel, a penny, a dime.
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:49.360
If I catch something that looks like a penny and it's a two-pounder, well, I know that fish is around two pounds the next time I see a penny.
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:54.719
If I catch a fish the size of a nickel that looks like a nickel, that's a four-pounder.
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:58.719
Well, next time I run into a nickel, that's gonna be about a four-pounder.
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:07.519
Well, when you stretch out your image too much, now you get you get to pick between a pencil, a crayon, and a chop.
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:09.280
You don't know, right?
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:10.639
True, man.
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:11.199
Right?
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:16.159
So um I remember I was fishing.
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:17.840
I'll walk you guys through it.
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:22.159
So, how we find fish in the river, we just cover water, man.
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.760
You just flip everything that you see until you get a bite.
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:27.280
When you get a bite, you slow down.
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:32.239
And you're looking for you're hoping to run into that magic tree.
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:36.800
And that magic tree, I've won a lot of tournaments just finding that one tree.
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.800
It takes one tree to do well back there.
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:41.599
I remember just giving an example.
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:43.519
My brother and I found that one magic tree.
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.280
We caught 27 fish out of that one little tree in like six feet of water.
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.000
For some reason, they just school up around that tree for whatever reason.
00:37:52.239 --> 00:38:11.760
So I took my brother back there, we were flipping, and I flipped into this, uh, a flapping hog into this tree, set the hook, two and a half pounder, decent fish, putting them in the box, made the sand flip again, caught another fish, and then two feet on the left side of that tree, flipped over there, missed another one.
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.280
So he had his forward-facing sonar unit on.
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:17.760
We never even bothered looking at that thing.
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.079
So I was like, I wonder how many fish are over there.
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:21.199
So I just panned over.
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:22.159
I was surprised.
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:26.000
Ten feet away, I can see seven of them sitting underneath that tree.
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:30.719
And every time I flip in there, one will look at it, but he knows we're there, he's not biting.
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.159
So we marked that tree, left, found another tree.
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:43.360
We caught three out of that tree, but when I panned around, I saw that there was a bunch more sitting off the tree, maybe in a log underneath that I couldn't see with my eyes.
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:44.559
I'll flip over there.
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:46.000
What if you look at the video?
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:53.199
It looks like I'm flipping open water, but I threw over uh a log underneath the water, and those fish were.
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.599
I mean, as soon as they see your lure, they'll bite.
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.599
And anyway, finally got to dial in my graph.
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.079
We're fishing eight to twelve feet of water.
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:07.679
I can't pitch or flip a hundred feet, so I just set my distance to 70.
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:09.360
What's half a 70?
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:11.360
35, right?
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:23.119
So the goal is I'll try to leave it at 35, but again, my screen was too high, so I changed it to 30, and eventually I went with 25.
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.559
But remember, I'm only using half of my screen now.
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:38.000
But I want the goal was to keep my aspect aspect ratio uh in a way where a fish is still uh a manageable looking blonde.
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:41.360
Okay, because I'll give you another tip.
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:49.199
If I pan at a fish and I see one little interference line on my graph, I don't even throw out that fish because I know that's a catfish.
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:54.800
Okay, so if a catfish is looking straight at you, uh his return is gonna be bright.
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.880
It almost looks like a bass.
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:02.719
But if I pan left and right of that fish and I see one little spike, I know that that's not a bass.
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.280
I never see a spike on top of a bass, so I don't even throw out that fish anymore.
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.639
Now, if a catfish is swimming left to right, I can immediately tell because it looks fuzzy to me.
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:14.559
And I see that interference line.
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:18.559
Well, it's bounced it offline, so your returns aren't going to be as strong.
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:21.599
So that's how you're able to tell what species it is.
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:33.599
And when I figured out that aspect ratio deal, that was pretty much a game changer for me as far as understanding a forward-facing sonar and how to set your depth distance properly.
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:41.840
And if you look, if you see, if you watch on live, any of these kids got that alpaca-looking haircut with a flat top.
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:43.679
Ropac, rope.
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:44.719
All right.
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.039
And they're fishing shallow water.
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:49.920
I want you to pay attention to the forward-facing sonar screen.
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:54.079
You'll see that they're using like the top eighth of their screen if they're in shallow water.
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:56.880
Well, you're they're utilizing aspect ratio as well.
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:01.840
You're only using the top eighth, top quarter, but everything you need to see is there.
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:06.559
You can see your bait, you can see what you're fishing and what and the size of that fish.
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.280
Who cares if you can't see your whole screen?
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:10.480
You know.
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:16.960
So so to just so your depth is low, you're bringing in your distance.
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:32.079
I understand that the because the problem that I've always had, right, that guys run into, I think, is when you get shallow, if you start dropping it to 15 feet or less, I find that then it just blows out and you can't tell, you know, what a bass looks like.
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:33.280
It all looks big.
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:38.800
You know, you see like a two-pounder and it's it's a five and a half, it looks like a giant fish.
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:49.679
Because because I've lowered my depth but kept my distance out, you're saying you're bringing both of those in to then mimic the same image that you would out.
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.800
Yeah, you have to understand how the technology works too.
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:58.079
So the top beam, at least on an active target, it's actually a lower frequency.
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:06.320
And then as you get to, I want to say, say 45 degrees on down, straight in front of the boat, that's your high frequency beam.
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.079
That's where you get the most definition.
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:16.320
So have you ever seen a fish that out from 95 feet, it looks super big, and as you get closer and closer, it kind of shrinks.
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:18.079
That's what you're seeing.
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.360
So, yeah, um, so keep that in mind.
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:28.400
But like, yeah, if I'm fishing five, I mean, back in April, I took my buddy Cliff out to Sororo.
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:32.559
We caught, I don't know, he thinks we caught over 50.
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.440
I say we caught maybe between 40, 45, or something like that.
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:40.000
That's five went 37 pounds, just mashed them, right?
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:45.599
And I was using forward-facing sonar in two to five feet of water.
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:46.320
Wow.
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:46.800
Yep.
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:51.519
So my distance was only set out to 70, my depth was at 25.
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.840
I'm only using the top, like tiny bit of my screen, maybe an eighth button.
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:58.960
I mean, everything I need to see was in there.
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:08.239
So if you lower your depth, remember, if you keep the distance the same, it's gonna stretch out the back of that fish higher and higher and higher.
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:15.920
So to bring that that his back on down, you have to well change the distance.
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:19.840
If you lower the distance, it starts going like this, right?
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:25.119
And you just gotta find something that works for you in whatever situation that you're fishing in.
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:25.679
Right.
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:26.880
That's juice, man.
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:28.400
Yeah, appreciate you sharing that.
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:30.480
That's super helpful to understand.
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:37.760
Yeah, to like like you know, you know, my my deal is not to set it and forget it's not an easy bake oven.
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:39.440
You're gonna change.
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:40.639
You're gonna need a change.
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:42.480
It's not an easy bake oven.
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:43.119
Yeah.
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.239
The like I use a lot in grass now.
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:59.760
I don't know if you guys do that, but if I go to like the grass, the edge of the grass, I'll sit there and turn my contrast down until the grass starts to look translucent.
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.639
That's when I have the right setting.
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:08.079
So the I can see through the grass, I can see the fish behind the grass sometimes now.
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:09.039
Right?
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:10.480
Wow.
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:17.760
And then if I'm out fishing for floaters, I'll crank that contrast all the way up so I can see my lure at 99 feet.
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:28.960
I mean, I have my settings down to where I can see like a three by a two by three piece of wood floating out there on top of the surface at 95 feet now.
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:32.320
But my stuff is dialed.
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:34.719
I was gonna say, dude, you're locked in.
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:35.599
That's awesome.
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.760
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize, and I know there's a lot of confusion out there.
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:41.679
Heck, I was confused.
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:49.199
I took I took an interest in this, and if you guys know anything about me, once I take an interest in something, man, I I don't let it go.
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.239
You know, the whole thing of say barometric pressure, dude.
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.719
I studied that thing for like 18 years hard.
00:44:54.880 --> 00:45:08.960
Like dude, I listened to some of your old podcasts when I was, I mean, like back in the day, just just eating as I mean was obsessed as obsessed with fishing could be, but you the your barometric pet or barometric pressure stuff was juice.
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:10.719
You I mean you did a great job explaining.
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:12.480
Well, I figured out more stuff.
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:24.480
I literally stopped studying it three years ago now because I felt like I got to the point where I okay, I'm satisfied with the answer I was looking for.
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:30.880
Um, because I was like probably that annoying kid that always asks why, you know, something happens, why did that happen?
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:37.039
And if I can understand the why factor, it gives me a lot of confidence in whatever it is that I'm doing.
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:51.679
I always kind of knew that the bare measure pressure deal was a big thing, and I'll tell you what, every time, because when I'm on these long drives, sometimes I'll just plug in bare measure pressure on YouTube, watch random videos, what other people have to say.
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.800
I can tell you most of it's wrong.
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:58.239
Yeah, so you'll see this.
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:11.199
The most common one is if yeah, I want my bare measure pressure above this number is considered high, and the below this number is good for fishing.
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:15.840
No, it's not because you're you're totally missing how it works.
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:24.559
Barometric pressure is a measurement from basically the the weight of the air onto the surface of the water at sea level.
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.840
Well, that's the furthest different uh distance to the sky.
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:34.960
So let's say the average barometric pressure at least uh sea levels, we'll call it 30 inches in mercury, right?
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:44.800
Well, if you go to clear lake or any other lake that is a higher elevation, the average barometric pressure there might only be 27.
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:51.119
So it never hits that 30 uh mark that people are talking about.
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:53.360
So it's all relative to elevation.
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:58.960
I don't care what the bare measure pressure is, I just want to know when it's going down, right?
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:02.239
That's when the bike windows open, uh opens up for you.
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:10.719
Uh when it's going up, yeah, you're fishing slow, you're fishing methodical, you're fishing where you think the fish should be like on structure and stuff like that.
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.440
But when it's dropping, that's when you can burn a chatterbait down the bank and just try to run into them.
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:19.519
And when you run into them, a lot of them are gonna be chasing and biting, right?
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.159
So that's the biggest thing about the bear mesh pressure deal.
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:31.599
Now, the whole electronics deal, um I noticed that everybody's running a like a lot of my close buddies at the time is running a C Clear harness.
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:35.280
I didn't, and I do all my own rigging us, so I saw the wires, how they're rigged.
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:44.480
I mean, we should have plenty of wire, and but I was getting like these interference lines on my side scan sometimes, like these little white dots interference line.
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:51.440
And I got to talk to Nathan over at C Clear, and he was telling me about like what a ground loop is.
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:52.800
That's the first time I ever heard it.
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:58.000
So I looked into it, studied up on it, and I said, you know what, screw it.
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.199
I'm gonna get a C Clear harness and install it in my boat.
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:08.079
Dude, when I installed that harness, I was like, holy smokes! I mean, my grass cleared way up, wasn't even close.
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:09.920
I immediately I can tell.
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.519
So that's when I was like, Man, why did it do that?
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:26.239
So I took a deep dive, three years looking at this stuff, setting my boat up different ways, and I can tell the difference um each way as well, and this is where the confusion comes in from.
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:31.920
I'm hope, hoping I don't upset anybody I work with um or anybody out there.
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:41.599
But I've had some really credible people that design the equipment, and they're telling me, Ty, that's not how it works.
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:45.840
12 volts is 12 volts as long as it's clean 12 volts.
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:50.719
I'm sitting there like you kind of contradicted yourself, right?
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.119
Because there's clean 12 volts and there's dirty 12 volts.
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.079
How you rig up your electronics totally matters.
00:48:58.320 --> 00:48:58.639
Okay.
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:13.360
Um, I've seen boats rigged up with a fuse box bus bar versus the clean C clear harness that only uses the pulsing clips that that bypasses any potential ground differences.
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:25.360
Um, it's just much clearer using the pulsing clips because you're eliminating what can cause interference when your electronics have different differences in in ground.
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:36.719
Um it might be 0.0001 using like a bus bar or a fuse box between one unit to the next, but I can tell you your unit's gonna pick it up.
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:49.679
And our units are so sensitive, you can get within a hundred and I notice that when I get within 130 feet, 150 feet of another boat, I start getting his interference from his sonars.
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:56.719
So you can't tell me that those little tiny differences, it doesn't matter, it does matter, 100% matters.
00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:06.880
Uh so anyway, I ran a um my last year's boat, I ran a 12 volt lithium, works great for most of the day, like 80% of the day, works great, no issues with it.
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:13.280
But I noticed at the end of the day, I wasn't able to see my bait as good, but I was overlaying voltage.
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:32.320
And if I'm not running around somewhere, I determined the number to be about 12.7, 12.8 volts, is when I start noticing the difference between my ability to see the bait, and you know, the arguments would be oh, well, you got more stuff in the water, you know, later at noon, boats running around.
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:39.920
No, it's very consistent because if I start my day at the same lake, my batteries are fresh, I can see my bait clearance day.
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:45.679
Now I'm pretty aware of pollen, things in the water, current, wind, all that stuff.
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:49.519
Um, basically making it more difficult to see my bait.
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:56.559
So I'm aware of all those changes, but it's something that I constantly see when I set up other people's boats.
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:58.960
I'll give you a perfect example here, two of them.
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:02.880
I was fishing out on my buddy Daniel Eliza's boat at Apache.
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:13.519
We found a minnow bite, and we were fishing artificial habitat, it was around one o'clock, and I had a hard time seeing my lure, so I turned over to Daniel.
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:16.320
I was like, hey man, you have an Asian battery or something?
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:17.840
He's like, No, I got a lithium.
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:18.559
What really?
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:20.480
I made three more casts.
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:22.559
I said, dude, something's wrong with your unit.
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.119
And he has the same thing I have at the target.
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:29.679
So I overlaid his voltage, and sure enough, he was at like 12.4.
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:32.880
So how did I know if 12 volts is just 12 volts?
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:38.400
How did I know that something was wrong with your voltage before I even checked?
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:41.039
There was another gentleman, Scott Holland.
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:43.760
I talked to him a couple weeks ago.
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:51.679
I talked to him on Friday, and anyway, I've been meeting up to meet up with them to adjust his units.
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:56.800
So I told him I was gonna be at Seworo on Sunday, and I was just asking him about his setup.
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:57.679
Do you have a lithium?
00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:59.039
We got an AGM, what do you have?
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:00.559
He told me you had an AGM.
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:06.239
So I told him, like, hey man, running the AGM, it's gonna be flying first two and a half, three hours into the morning.
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:12.480
But after three hours, dude, you're gonna have a hard time seeing your bait because your voltage, you're gonna have so much voltage drop.
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:14.880
A lot of people don't believe me.
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:15.920
Ask Scott.
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:19.840
Basically, everything I described about his setup, what was going to happen.
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:24.239
I ran into him at 10 o'clock at Sorro, jumped in his boat, down in his unit.
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:26.480
I mean, I got that thing dialed.
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:30.880
But the problem is I can only set his distance out to 80 feet.
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:32.800
At 80 feet, you can see your lure.
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:34.239
At 100, you could have.
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.440
I called it out before I even talked to him.
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:48.239
Okay, so anyway, how the equipment's supposed to work, you know, talking to some of these engineers, I think there's something that they don't understand along with me.
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:52.079
I I don't know what's happening, but I do know something consistent.
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:59.760
When I pay attention to the volatiles, there's definitely a correlation to you know how well you can see your bait.
00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:03.440
And remember, I told I said that number 12.7, 12.8.
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:08.000
I saw an advertisement with the guys over at Powerhouse Lithium.
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:12.800
He had an ad, like, you know, you're trying to keep your volatility between 12.7 and 12.8.
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:15.360
So I know those guys know what they're talking about.
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:17.280
Um, they're seeing the same thing I'm seeing.
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:18.880
I've never even talked to them.
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:24.559
Yeah, so anyway, I know uh this isn't a forward-facing sonar.
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:25.840
I don't have the hair for it.
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:27.760
I do have the top.
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:29.199
It's okay, it's okay.
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:30.079
No rope hat, though.
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:30.800
No rope hat.
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:34.239
I was gonna say, wait, dude, that's what we're naming this show.
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:38.480
I don't have the hair for forward facing, but but I can talk about it.
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:40.159
Yeah.
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:52.960
Yeah, I kind of nerd out on the technical side of the fishing stuff, you know, and and yeah, it's uh forward facing sonar, it's it's been uh kind of like a thorn in my butt.
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:58.880
You know, it's like you know, you know, I I don't know, you felt this Adam at the Columbia River?
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.880
When it got really bad around noon, I left uh Casey's pond around noon.
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:06.800
I'm just trimming the motor out a little bit.
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.239
I stay on top of these waves because this be a spear one.
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:14.719
I don't know if I can catch another fish without my forward facing sauna.
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:19.199
Dude, it was Bailey, it was big.
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:20.639
Like, I mean big.
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:39.199
Like I luckily that where we took off was pretty protected, but that's the first day I've ever and like look been on some big water, and I know it wasn't what almost saves you a little bit is the current is is so strong that it makes those waves top out, so they're really tall, but it keeps them tight.
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:44.880
So like they might be four footers, but like you can clear them with a 21-foot boat to get to the next.
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:46.800
But like that's the first time ever.
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:48.480
I I hit it like middle of the day too.
00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:52.880
Like, I didn't go down until it was nasty, so I hit it at the worst time.
00:54:53.039 --> 00:55:00.239
And I'm going and I'm like, you know, like the saxophone music's getting louder, and I'm just like, this shit's getting crazy.
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:15.199
Yeah, and and and I'm just sitting there going, and I'm just like, this might be the day, like seriously, where someone doesn't make it back, like someone gets Coast Guard called or something, like and it and it cleared up and it got better as the day went on, but like it was big.
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:16.480
That was no fun.
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:23.440
Yeah, I I went down a couple waves where I got that roller coaster feeling in my stomach, and it's hard for me to get that.
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:25.519
I've been doing some pretty nasty stuff.
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:32.159
And of course, you turn on the uh the footage from your DJI, and it looks like a calm day out there.
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:35.039
The video never does a good job picking it up.
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.280
So I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna post that.
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:38.480
It's not gonna get views.
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:38.880
Right.
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.360
But you're gonna post it and be like, it was the worst day out there.
00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:43.119
People are like, dude, it doesn't even look bad.
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:44.719
You're just having a you know.
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:49.119
Yeah, that's it's when you get those saltwater offshore guys and they're like, oh, you don't know chop.
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:51.440
It's like that scene from Wolfle Wall Street.
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.119
They're like, you don't know shit about chops.
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:54.000
Yeah.
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:58.719
Well I will tell you the coolest thing that happened out there is saving that osprey, man.
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:00.559
You know, I don't know if you guys saw that video.
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:02.880
I was just fishing, and I saw something.
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:11.039
Yeah, I saw something streaming on the water, and it was like when it like made eye contact with me, it started swimming right for me.
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:13.760
So I'm like, is he really trying to get in my boat?
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:16.880
So um, yeah, I just got a little close.
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:21.440
Well, I just kind of scooted away just to make sure that he was turning towards me.
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:25.599
And yeah, he was asking, he's pretty much asking for help at that point.
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:32.159
And yeah, I I let him get in the boat, help him in the boat, stood there 45 minutes.
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:42.800
I kind of see him kind of you know going back and forth, like you know, shrugging his shoulders, getting ready to take off, and then he jumps right into the water and then starts swimming towards the shoreline.
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:46.159
Well, he swam about 25 feet, makes a U-turn.
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:48.719
He must have said, Ah, hell no, that's too far.
00:56:49.119 --> 00:57:02.400
Get back in, have to help him back in the boat, and it was on my boat for another hour, hour and 15 minutes, and finally I saw him kind of do the same thing, going back and forth, chirping, and swam for it.
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:12.960
So, I mean, hopefully the the little dude made it, but I think um I think he he tried to fly in kind of like my first tournament Okeechobee.
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:15.199
Sometimes you gotta spread your wings to see if you can fly.
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:17.199
In my case, I landed on a rock.
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:22.800
Like Yeah, that was pretty cool.
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:24.000
That was a sick video.
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:27.280
Uh I was totally when I saw it open, I saw it was you that posted it.
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:32.079
I was waiting for you to say something like it was Randy Howell's spirit animal following you around or something.
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:34.719
Dude, your Randy memes.
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:35.760
Oh my god.
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:37.360
I appreciate your comedy, dude.
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:38.320
It cracks me up.
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:44.079
Yeah, it was getting kind of uh tiring like this year.
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:45.920
I guess I wasn't in the mood for it.
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:53.199
Because every time I posted a Randy Howell meme, there's a bunch of people that really don't know what's going on.
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:58.079
And after answering questions for three years, hey, Randy, there's no beef between Randy and I.
00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:00.639
I mean, these people are messaging, right?
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:04.239
And and they think that there's something going on.
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:07.039
Look, I will say Randy's got some raw fans.
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.599
I wish I had some fans like that that got his back.
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:23.840
But Randy's a great guy, we're good friends, and the story behind that was uh I was actually scrolling through social media and I saw a meme about you know, if the cop has this kind of haircut, you are 110% getting a ticket.
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:30.559
So I just changed it over to Randy Howe, posted it, posted great, and then I just started, you know.
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:39.599
Sometimes I just picked a topic and challenged myself how many jokes I can crack up about that topic, and after three years, I still haven't ran out of jokes.
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:42.159
Um you guys should see.
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:43.599
Ask Ken Maw.
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:50.880
Because Ken Maw is my um my PR guy, if you will, whether he likes it or not.
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:53.599
I'll send a lot of memes to him, say, hey, can I post this?
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:54.719
He's like, nope.
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:01.760
Ken Maw's accent, too.
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:02.480
Nope.
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:03.039
Nope.
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:04.480
But you know, I love Ken, man.
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:05.679
You hear the voice.
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:09.360
Yeah, he he's man, he's he's my voice of reason.
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:18.000
Um and yeah, I mean, I met over Randy at La Crosse, we had dinner, and he told him he actually thanked me for all the uh exposure that he was getting.
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:22.079
I mean, him, his whole family loves it, so he's like, Yeah, man, keep going.
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:23.360
I'm like, you sure, Randy?
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:25.760
You have no idea what you're signing up for.
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:31.039
If anybody knows, I'm way better at talking smack than I am at fishing.
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:47.679
Dude, that should have been dude, that would have been a golden opportunity where it's like you guys just meet on the water for like a 1v1 and just like make it the act of hey man, I'm sick of you posting memes about me, and then you just you guys, you know, down from there.
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.519
Yeah, I'll he'll began to do it, man.
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:53.039
I I enjoy like, you know, talking to him sometimes.
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:55.360
And hell, there was a video.
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:57.920
Uh where was he at?
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:01.440
The pat whatever tournament Jason Christie won.
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:03.519
And Laurant sent me a video.
01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:13.679
He actually tagged me in that video, uh, name dropped me in that video because I spent an hour and 15 minutes talking to him, and I was telling him about the aspect ratio deal.
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:22.079
And yeah, help Randy, you know, just so if you guys are not utilizing that, I mean that is such a big one, and that's just my formula.
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:28.880
Depth should be half your distance, and then you can go down a setting or two, but don't go any more than two, right?
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:37.599
So, um, whether you look at it like as a third or a half of your distance, that's that's where you need to be.
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:40.480
Um, and then of course there's other tricks as well.
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:50.400
I mean, I'm running a 16-volt volt tub battery this year, and the reason why I'm running a 16 is my units don't need all 16 volts.
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:55.119
I'm just trying to keep that voltage above 12.7, 12.8.
01:00:55.679 --> 01:01:04.719
And you know, for guys that like I found out a lot of these younger guys out there that are considered forward-facing sonar wizards, know what they're doing.
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:08.960
They're running two 12 volts in parallel.
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:13.840
Has nothing to do with the having enough amp hours at the end of the day.
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:21.440
They're just trying to keep the voltage up above that threshold so they can see their lure and things that they need to.
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:30.719
So I might have uh pissed some people off out there by dropping that info, but of course, you know what helps though?
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:38.559
That social media guy that has that's gonna point out everything wrong with what you're saying, and so that's not how it works.
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:40.639
My AGM power powers up, yeah.
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:42.000
You keep using it, buddy.
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:50.719
You know, uh I mean uh it only helps me that you are, you know, um past learning.
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:54.719
Because and again, on the other hand, I was just like him.
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:57.360
Oh, my AGM is just fine, man, everything works.
01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.679
Uh I'll tell you guys the funniest story.
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:05.360
I was at I think Wachita, Ford Facing Sonar event.
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:10.079
Every all week long, I didn't find them floating until about 10 o'clock.
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:10.559
Okay.
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:13.920
After 10 o'clock, I thought they swam down to the timber or something.
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:15.280
I couldn't find these fish.
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:20.480
But I do remember that my next spot was 20 minutes away, drove 20 minutes, dropped my trolling motor down.
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:22.880
I see them, but I don't only see them for like 20 minutes.
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:25.199
Dude, went on all week, had no idea.
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:35.119
Of course, I just went up shallow, being you know, one of the older guys, throwing the swim bait and stuff, and you know, I caught enough bucks up shallow to keep me up shallow.
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:36.639
So anyway, I screwed up that event.
01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:37.760
Everybody at the house did well.
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:41.920
They scoped all day long and you know, chased floaters all day long.
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:44.480
Uh, I didn't realize what was happening.
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:49.519
At around 10 o'clock, I couldn't see past 70, 80 feet, right?
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:51.679
I could see everything closer.
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:56.320
I remember I couldn't even see my bait when I made a cast past 70 feet.
01:02:56.559 --> 01:03:04.239
But when I ran 20 minutes across the lake, my batteries just got charged enough where when I dropped that trolling motor, I could see for a little bit.
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.079
So that's what happens with AGM.
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:12.480
I mean, that was gosh, three, three, two and a half, three years ago that that event happened.
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:20.800
So that's why I got in the lithium train, and I remember all these guys telling me I need to run into lithium, keep my battery up, C clear harness.
01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:23.119
I thought they were just trying to sell me stuff.
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:28.079
Well they were, but there's some truth to it too.
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:31.360
So let's keep it.
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:37.760
They were, but yeah, yeah, so good stuff, man.
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:39.599
Uh really appreciate the deep dive.
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:44.320
What I love about this show is we never know where something is is gonna go.
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:54.719
Um, and uh, and man, love to love to hear your prowess on the forward-facing uh stuff, and I think some some valuable information for people out there.
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:59.199
Yeah, I didn't realize that I I made a video setting up my system.
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:13.599
I figured out the uh the ping sync thing for all my transducers because the one little sentence I saw, someone said you can enable ping sync between your two active targets and other transducers.
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:17.199
So I was like, and other transducers, let me try to read it up that way.
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:18.239
And went out to the lake, man.
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:24.800
I was tickled to death that I figured out how to ping sync all my transducers so they're all dancing on the same beat.
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:26.639
So I have no interference.
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:48.639
Okay, now if you're gonna do that, I will warn you guys if you are out chasing fish at say Lanier, where it's 200 feet out in the middle, yeah, you're gonna want to turn your down scan, side scan, and 2D off because it's waiting for that signal to bounce all the way down to 200 feet and come back.
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.679
You're gonna have a lot of lag on your forward-facing sonar.
01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:55.840
So when I'm past 30 feet, I just turn it off.
01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:00.559
So it's just something to be aware of, but it does give you a clean image.
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:04.559
If you're gonna set up your boat, definitely recommend that C clear harness.
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:13.280
And while you're at it, you want to make sure the one of the biggest mistakes that I see a lot of people do is their side scan transducer, that's a big one.
01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:21.599
Um, I remember I was sitting at a tournament at Apache Lake just talking to another guy about it, and I was looking at the boats.
01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:26.320
I want to say 90% of them, about 90% of them were installed in properly.
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:35.519
If you look at your transducers, your side can transcan transduce in the back, and it's somewhat leveled with the bottom of your hole, it's wrong.
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:39.679
You want it to be angled up a little bit to compensate for boat lift.
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:44.400
You want that thing as leveled as possible to get the best image, right?
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:53.119
So that's something I figured out just like five years ago, and it makes a 90 day difference when you uh set your stuff up properly.
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:56.480
So, uh, anyway, made a video about my setup.
01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:58.000
People are impressed with how it looked.
01:05:58.079 --> 01:05:59.760
I mean, I was out there just 10 minutes tuning.
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:02.320
My stuff shot the video real quick for Lawrence.
01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:06.800
Little did I know, I signed up to be the West Coast IT guy.
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:10.559
I probably got hundreds of phone calls and messages since then.
01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:15.440
But I've also helped a ton of people set up their units and get their dialogue in.
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:18.239
So anybody got questions, they can reach out to me.
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:20.559
Um, I'll be I'm here to help.
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:22.239
So hell yeah, dude.
01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:22.880
Right on.
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:24.079
Yeah, it's juice.
01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:26.880
Just when you think you know everything.
01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:27.519
Yeah.
01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:29.519
Yeah, there's a lot to know.
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:35.440
I'm there's I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff I don't know, um, but that's the type of person I am.
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:39.920
I I I and I don't want to be past you know, learning.
01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:46.639
There's always something else that you can learn, and that's I guess what's kept my passion for fishing all these years.
01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:52.079
I mean, the uh the whole urchin deal is the most recent one.
01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:58.159
Um, you know, I work with Copper State Taco, they're one of the first taco shops to get those baits in.
01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:04.719
And I remember the owner David was telling me, hey man, you might want to pick up some, they're gonna be hard to find real soon.
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:06.400
So I'll grab four of them.
01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:08.239
I walked around the store three times.
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:09.280
I'm like, what am I doing?
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:10.239
They're 20 bucks a pop.
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:11.199
I threw them back.
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:13.119
Kept living my life, man.
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:15.920
Oh no, little did you know.
01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:29.119
Oh no, he was right, and then yeah, uh, when I got on that train a little late, but when I first got on it, literally caught a seven and a half pounder, my second cast, caught 26 pounds in four hours.
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:30.880
Took my son out.
01:07:31.119 --> 01:07:34.079
Um, I saw three fish swimming out there.
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:36.079
He missed these fish by 30 feet.
01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:39.199
Well, I assume swim over there and eat it anyway.
01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:42.320
So it was like live bait, man.
01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:59.920
But now it's a lot harder to catch these fish, so you gotta change the size, the color, your presentation, and that's the nice thing about these baits, the urchin baits, because our fish, I'll argue every fish in our lease I've already seen it.
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:04.880
And I talked to a lot of my East Coast friends, and they're shocked to hear how I'm catching them.
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:16.399
You know, would you say, let me ask you guys this would you say most of your fish on the urchin style baits are on top of the fish, like a minnow, like a jerk bait, or would you say it's below the fish?
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:17.760
Top.
01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:21.439
I would say, I would say top.
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:30.239
I will admittedly tell you guys right now, like I have caught fish on the urchin um even since as early as January, February.
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:33.680
But like I don't, I'm not dialed in with it.
01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:44.720
Like I catch fish on it and stuff, but like some of these guys that are just so locked in on it are you know, I've caught some letting it, if they're not gonna eat it, I've had it let it fall and eat it on the bottom like a jig.
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:44.960
Yeah.
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:46.880
Um, that kind of a thing.
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:49.680
But I would say most of the time they're still coming up and eating it.
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:50.239
On top.
01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:53.439
Yeah, that's how it was last summer here.
01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:55.600
I mean, you just gotta get it close.
01:08:55.760 --> 01:08:57.600
It was like the A-rig when they first came out.
01:08:57.680 --> 01:08:59.680
I thought all my fishing problems were over.
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:09.279
And it got tougher and tougher and tougher, and I would say now I cash probably about 90% of my fish on the bottom with it.
01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:10.159
Really?
01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:10.720
Mm-hmm.
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:15.680
So like heavyweight dragging it, or you mean just like still popping it and letting it go down?
01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:17.760
No, I'm not even popping it anymore.
01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:27.199
I mean I'm just letting it sink and let them follow it down, and I'm just shaking my slack almost like a Nika rig or and then drag it like a jig.
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:29.439
So just a heads up for the guys.
01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:34.720
Um, you know, I'm I'm um, you know, telling you throw the big one.
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:38.479
The uh Yamamoto Uni Max is coming out.
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:40.960
Um, should be shipping here pretty soon.
01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:44.720
Some of the stories already got it, but like I recommend just throwing the big one.
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:56.000
I would say it's like throwing a an 8-inch, nine-inch swim bait versus uh the small little unis is like throwing a four-inch swim bait.
01:09:56.159 --> 01:10:02.880
The big one's just gonna have drawing power, and if you got big fish in that lake, it's amazing because I can see them on forward facing sewing.
01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:06.159
If I throw like the uni at some of these fish, they won't even look at it.
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:10.960
But you pick that big sucker up and throw it, dude, they're like swarming all over it.
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:22.560
Uh so basically now, unless it's a good day where the bread mesh pressure is lowering, the wind's blowing from the south, you got the storm coming in, don't eat anything on those days.
01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:29.840
But on a stable day, you go out there, you you throw it out there, they'll kind of swim down after it.
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:33.199
You just drag it on the bottom or shake it.
01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:35.920
Sooner or later, they just pick it up and swim off with it.
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:38.800
And that's how I catch like 90% of my fish now on it.
01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:46.399
So I'm curious to see if back east, because I think those lakes are a lot bigger, a lot of those fish haven't seen it um just yet.
01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:55.039
So their transition, like of how you catch it on these certain bases, and I'm wondering if it's gonna change.
01:10:55.439 --> 01:11:01.119
And uh, I did talk to Drew Gill about it uh at iCast while we're having a dinner.
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:08.079
He has something where I mean I just love Drew Gill on how that guy thinks and processes information.
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:24.239
And he's got me thinking about well, here in Arizona, remember, our water is clear, and I asked him, like, hey man, you think it's gonna be uh around, or you think uh you think these baits are just gonna be uh um you know the next Texas rigged worm or something like that that's gonna be a staple.
01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:29.520
And he said, Well, in clear water, I think, yeah, they're gonna be able to see it.
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:47.680
Um, they're not gonna eat it as well, but in dirty water, no, he's he still thinks that they're gonna eat it because there's not a signature that comes from these baits, like sound, uh vibration that is is very distinct where they can identify, hey, that's that's not food.
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:53.359
Every time we feel that or see something like that, um we get jacked.
01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:56.000
So kind of like the jackhammer.
01:11:56.800 --> 01:12:03.840
I mean, I gotta catch him on the stealth blade and the uh mini jackhammer.
01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:08.479
I mean, I got more confidence in the minis gonna do the regular jackhammer now.
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:14.079
And I think it has to do with the vibration, the type of vibration, right?
01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:21.920
So I'm wondering if the the I asked Drew and he said well in dirty water, he he he thinks they're still gonna eat it.
01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:28.720
So I know the water back east is a lot dirtier, so maybe that's the reason why they're still biting it the way they are back east.
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:36.640
But uh yeah, I was surprised how big it blew up because I talked to Mark Daniels about it last year.
01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:39.039
Hey, Mark, don't sleep on these baits, man.
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:46.880
And I thought we were gonna have a year where we kind of keep it under wraps, but man, the blow it blew up blown up.
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:47.680
Blown up.
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:55.680
Well, we'll uh we'll wrap this sucker up with this because you let a lot of juice out the bag, uh talking scope stuff.
01:12:55.840 --> 01:13:05.600
But I I can tell you the catching them on bottom is definitely fastly catching my catching them above the fish by rigging, especially like the 17 on a Carolina rig.
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:09.920
That has been that has been pretty pretty good up here.
01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:25.039
And granted we're talking northern fish, so there's that, but uh it's it's definitely been one that has like those fish that don't want to come up or come up interested and they kind of seen it a bunch above them, that's been a way to to get them to eat.
01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:27.680
You're throwing out a Carolina rig, you're rich.
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:32.479
A lot of lure sabers.
01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:33.840
A lot of lure savers at the ready.
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:36.239
That's that's a really good point.
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:37.039
Like, what?
01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:40.000
Like, think about the the loss.
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:41.520
That's hilarious.
01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:44.640
Oh, I man, I got a bone to pick too.
01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:47.760
Um with what's happening at tungsten weights.
01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:49.680
I've been trying to like just load up.
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:53.199
Well I'll say I'm throwing lead weights if that helps.
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:54.319
Dude, yeah.
01:13:54.880 --> 01:14:00.000
We we're gonna do an overrated show, and I'm gonna literally just talk about how I'm throwing lead all the time.
01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:11.680
But, anyways, dude, I ordered off T Moo for the first time ever and picked up all their tungstens and probably spent$300 something dollars when I got them.
01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:13.199
Dude, they were lead.
01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:15.520
Oh, that's messed up.
01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:17.199
So pissed off.
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:23.760
So they just lost my business for everything, and I got hustled.
01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:29.439
But for the viewers out there, if you're trying to buy tungsten, do not get them on team.
01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:36.880
Do not hey Ken Ma's cousin ripped me off, man.
01:14:37.359 --> 01:14:38.560
Just give me Ken.
01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:43.680
Oh, that's quote of the show.
01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:44.880
That's gonna be the title.
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:47.199
Ken Ma's Cousin Ripped Me Off.
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:50.560
Man, he ripped me off, dude.
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:52.399
Oh, that's hilarious.
01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:55.840
Anyway, I'll just cut out anything that'll get me fired.
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:02.720
Dude, uh, this has been a pleasure, man.
01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:04.560
It's been so good to get time with you.
01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:10.319
And uh obviously I in keeping up with Super 60 and watching how Deacon does, I'm always looking for your name.
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And uh man, just keep up with the great work.
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We'll have to get you on here more as a mainstay and just appreciate the time.
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Yeah, man, appreciate it.
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It's been incredible.
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Yeah, like I said, I said Adam's like, man, it's about time you asked, because I was kind of thinking, like, man, when you're doing good, everybody wants to taught you, but man, when you're having an okay or so soul, not so good, see, dude, nobody wants to be your friend.
01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:33.439
So it's so true.
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You find out you find out quick your buddies in the like your true buddies in the tournament world when like you have that bad, you know, everyone texts you when you're having a good tournament, but those buddies, when you like they look and you're like, oh man, like sorry to hear about it, brother.
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Like, it's just fishing.
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You got on the next one.
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Like, you those people that reach out when you're having a bad tournament, I appreciate those people.
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Well, it's it also sucks knowing a lot of people too or being known because everybody's asking, How'd you do?
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I suck.
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Oh, how'd you do?
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I suck.
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And by the time you repeat it for 60 times you go back to your place, you're like, Yeah, maybe I do suck.
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You start copying, start believing yourself.
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:16.000
Yeah.
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Well, hey, man, my pleasure, guys.
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Uh, hopefully I'll get to join you guys uh in the near future.
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And uh yeah, man.
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Anyway, we'll see you guys around, man.
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I'll see you, Adam.
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Thank you so much, man.
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Yeah, brother.
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We'll see you soon.
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All right, later.
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Thanks for coming on.
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No problem.
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All right, guys, and that's gonna do it for today's episode.
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Appreciate you guys taking time out of your day to listen to this one.
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It was already a very long episode, so I'll keep the outro short.
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But uh awesome.
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Some of the things that Ty was mentioning from the aspect ratio of talking about scope to debates that have served him well all around the country and how he's put those things together to try to be efficient on the water, whether he's fun fishing or tournament fishing, some great perspective.
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So, that if you guys have any questions, any topics, any guests that you'd like to see on the show, comment down below.
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Comment on Spotify, let us know in social media.
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Uh, appreciate y'all for taking time out of your day.
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And we'll see y'all on the next one.
